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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ `; O& F4 o. x( F5 W  cWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
/ Z2 d0 }8 s+ p7 P. MI was so confused.....
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% T( \( o5 P7 p$ e1 F講到尾都係賺錢
6 G5 [" U8 u8 W% `; Iso銀行可以不斷放款" P, [! b5 Q. h; ~( S  H
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 J8 }9 C1 ?( B
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mortgage loan : o3 r, N5 a' N: o+ C# n
>conduit
" u. r4 `: d& x* e>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 A% j3 H! @3 f1 M
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
( a/ H3 T: W, v& b) p! m# [" umore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.: o9 f1 n0 t6 d1 G8 B4 E
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 n8 I/ c+ v/ N8 a8 ~0 H7 @  O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
! f. d% p$ U: G9 H- Y- F% ^  UAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% s; Q- Y& z. S$ N/ a; n3 Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 _/ C2 @$ w" G8 u0 u2 ^2 |( j$ U( Mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * Q5 w- J0 [* d+ s
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; T5 M* @3 _" J8 Q, g$ K4 qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 _. c$ e5 S; [9 Y7 s+ t

) r2 \* {% W; h& @1 z- mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' J7 k. M" r, E2 a" K  u/ Sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. f; W- ?+ V6 ]; zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ s9 u. g* E8 k& _; c& j
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; [) g. L* J0 e* W- h5 H1 ZThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
: m) x5 _/ ?4 ]% ~0 j1 Q. Wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.$ [, z1 \- M% b8 F
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 Q, }( g7 N' v& p6 h
Refer to last example,* t+ K( I) V* @* j* G! g& X: c
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! U( {6 a& x# o1 Q5 P( s, a/ ]+ y7 ?3 zBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; l" |' E4 E0 \9 V8 Z, u1 v  j
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. r) p1 P' z9 M3 T$ `. NA->B->C->D->E
9 k4 W1 A* f& V0 d! E. b6 K: Jso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 E; h4 N. R( ]% G
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 [: X. _1 _) a2 {  v. b3 v7 k- ~in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 \' D/ H/ f1 z( d9 D: ]& _
it's the problem of the debt itself.
# L( b; Z# @* ~- \2 C: Y6 |the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& A8 z6 l; L7 u
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?  ^% u- C4 V; y' L3 m* W

9 A1 b/ W$ d: V' S. n* F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答3 [* X8 s  q: C! [% N8 u
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Thanks
. [/ |$ T' L( M! E  R; y6 ~' Z- P那些根本係 紙上財富  
% Z1 b+ `/ {$ {: W, O1 H( }各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 X. K2 m/ O5 c/ v4 i! ]1 c. c
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% k4 @! Y) s/ ]+ o- N當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ V* o, s. s  }% `* {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# [$ ~$ F% ~3 N6 t, T1 R5 a個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ @8 a" m; f" F4 Y; s: R: X7 [4 t( x扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ n& [4 {5 E2 F計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺% E: T- j) @3 z. G+ Z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 G3 j+ c0 p4 X6 ?
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, \5 C6 o9 T3 M0 p但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, L  m8 J8 m6 I+ ]. Q% K  W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   Q. P. O5 m+ v' x' {: A* d/ z. B
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" }9 {) U( A6 j6 w- |所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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" x( x' `( H6 \; _. g你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! ?; A( {& A9 T
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 Q. }8 X% u( S- l1 p9 `: ?: T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 X3 n6 b2 ]" j1 z" `6 {8 [6 q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* M9 H4 j/ R* R9 W# I; j" L淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . ~( {# `( T8 J' t! o$ W
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- a, D. Z+ ~5 ?: V# |$ Q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣2 e( p* H2 {* h. ]/ k9 k
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業1 R( w) m$ v8 r8 Y; w2 L) f# R
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* u$ q/ A; t" \
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ S8 n$ a0 h* U* r# H6 |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ Y0 u( F+ A. k- b' s" ~+ c7 T編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: T  w& Q8 p: ]( f! x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 H$ K- m; y, |" A其實係...
  {5 c' m5 l6 l% z9 l9 _因為以前未生產, 先消費
( |; a" w4 M; _, t3 n- y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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