Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! n+ Y( R: U) I6 u, P0 M, k+ \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" ?; f, x! h) J* K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  N) w, w. b: x! d8 u( p  ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 a8 t- r  X( }) s呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% Y1 X' V  ~; ^' A, Z5 fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 ^7 l) G3 {# I" q1 Y$ c$ [0 C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( _5 w- p: o, M8 _9 X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 _1 J, a- _8 ~4 W- ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. q9 n2 X- t; H4 N0 J- `我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  i7 }0 A& \/ I+ R4 d真的!!這不是反話
& x3 I( C5 z5 Q; f$ ~因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. o% x/ z9 w' W7 w: l  \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ J: _* ~5 Q; L4 p5 P( U8 ^" w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- y9 K/ Q2 a7 L2 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( Y+ V  |/ ?4 W8 C6 a+ C  iWhat a statement we have here?! B4 {8 G3 d3 a8 E/ F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: H, a  _4 `/ X% t% z

0 `/ P0 E8 C; z: Z" uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 k, Q% B0 j# M. f$ c2 v; b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* g4 T$ c- E3 o$ k4 s"不信也沒損失"
% A: |; D! o. |% MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# r- R% m9 o$ `7 n/ ^7 }6 C7 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 v  z- j6 j5 A9 {5 U; E# K
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 ]3 C# z' f, L$ Q* P) wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 K' M" O. y7 {1 g/ y+ T' N8 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* F* M2 s3 N; J% i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* u) y) d9 [3 \* i: A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' ~% J* o4 O7 m; d! h) h$ l1 z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; f7 O/ b6 |4 T7 @/ i' p# g4 ?如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  D6 ?) s9 o, s* _. u, N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, Q9 j7 ~5 \5 I$ V7 \& }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: v- m4 y5 N: D) h6 M# p& k% u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: u( _% u- k3 W4 a, |* U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! C; R+ X1 l( E8 P; v5 d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& o4 E  n% v/ Y- x' |5 l; f1 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 M' }4 `- H: [3 J/ l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, [6 b& @1 M. |' t* c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  ], h5 q1 Z& N6 s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! G) u9 v" b; M' T7 s' o

9 D& C2 m3 m6 V9 V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 u7 H6 ^! T8 A( \
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ c+ H5 K- Z, W. Z, G. Y.............信耶穌... ...

2 t, N) L: n, J5 j3 B5 v! oRegarding the resurrection....# G( p( n4 ]2 z

5 x) C# I/ {+ Z/ c3 {1 ~- r3 n2 h5 [% \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.