Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 o' Q1 C6 P! ]: F( `+ n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( U/ s% a/ o  ~4 q6 S, O) w
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, J5 r( e8 e+ i0 ^1 @, O9 p; O
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ s! v4 @% r" U6 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 n2 J. E2 u1 k- H. TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; N1 |1 @' F" S& r) @: _; \; U7 E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" b  _; a7 u2 |' ~4 z# i9 i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
  u& a+ a0 q' k. o7 s6 f; L/ j/ J所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; g: ?5 a4 g+ ^& O, R/ \* X1 [7 A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 e! l$ p3 n1 i* H/ ?( H+ l在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 E- W" {/ E; E3 M) u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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! m* ?' M- B2 }5 e6 P6 F8 @3 RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# B& e, [' `# z) p3 _0 N" J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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; y5 O) u6 K, K"不信也沒損失"0 `1 `5 H$ D5 {) a: C$ d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 S3 y/ K  V+ G' z# k& ]$ p' ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 W7 c# L1 p# v% P3 ?% Jit's starting because we have sins......
+ B! X% `% q- m7 r) W" hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; _2 l3 q& J0 g2 g1 x" _; wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ m- D' ^/ X8 F7 {9 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 s: F% ^5 z. }0 c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- S5 I1 j+ ?4 v' s2 m0 U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 H& x7 K$ Y) I3 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  c7 b. A7 E' R9 J3 Z6 L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 U3 ?2 P/ T6 f7 F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 z8 o8 f7 e6 N( |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ f5 o) X2 L6 A+ ]6 V8 B4 x, R# [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 f8 O4 ?9 |: d: H! R9 R

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0 f& v: Y2 l3 _. I6 I1 `4 d8 A' `6 Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. u4 d; @0 V* {; s/ ^+ }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 [; F+ l+ S) q+ S* ]- {2 g以下是其他人的見解,' S# m4 P7 Z; d2 H4 q/ O- s8 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 w1 y/ ]: U! @4 h2 L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 G* f' S* K3 E5 H' f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 ^  x6 S/ W1 r, c2 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 T6 e/ E9 k9 n& n" e! d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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* s* I7 g4 m% _4 C$ Y! W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 J; Q2 B3 W1 x+ N$ `2 p.............信耶穌... ...

- S) c2 J( M5 p" \0 Z) N& vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." ?; ?3 F, k  C* h

" Z* v: l' t/ l7 u5 o1 F5 GYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.