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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" e( Z6 K+ P. a: W

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( K8 z$ x. L/ X( f

7 f, f7 O. ^* j' _" x; l, T/ ^but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ q3 z$ t- e4 h$ t( N# CBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% [. m4 h- B2 U) B; l

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 f; u( i( g5 g4 e9 t" qwhy?  i- O2 Y. ~. I

4 \& m: {: E# X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 w# m7 [) n- r7 m' n& D
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; x& D3 `. R5 U4 S$ Y; E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus7 ~# v' U7 S; `" y

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$ O. Q: T1 F6 R1 f政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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- J" i/ \1 t$ o8 ~9 g( M. }# T; ^1 ^打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.$ N8 d+ s  h0 K: p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 J7 }/ c: o4 e( ?# S1 A/ x, tIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 i& {6 g+ ~3 x5 X

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7 Y# h  e: w7 v# l0 u8 X' c: OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: ^. ^8 i, _& ^4 g  h6 Y
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! R2 N! J3 j# q, ]+ DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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3 u$ X, C& T) V2 F* C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 S2 d, d/ p+ R% _

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 j- V: B% J  ]( `, P$ t8 r
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......