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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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2 v) e+ J6 T: U2 J' u9 f智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 M" X/ n  Y' ?# F

+ T. g7 C% N6 ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& d2 U- E% ^4 U3 c
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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* ^: G' _6 ]' E3 W7 @" _其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus; a+ Y$ {9 P. d) o$ R2 g6 ^

- y0 G+ Q' M7 X, `+ ]$ o智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->$ @4 y" b5 K& T

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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2 O( q" _4 J8 x% M( U, f+ W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:7 y5 [3 B2 c" f" ?( }, B
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ Y3 M  h- \( ?+ v# }. b0 ]' q

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他比孔明更偉大

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4 G( Y+ k7 g: M! |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' R# p, o2 j6 o

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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( y) u/ q. g, Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ f4 C7 ~( E2 {, M8 Y

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1 D4 [9 K% i8 @# [; F" X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......