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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 g' F: v. ?2 H5 X
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' y: O1 y$ O! H

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 s+ v9 P( N8 X6 E& m4 D; Y

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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4 p( H6 a( _2 l" v) {6 ^軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# j1 L8 }' E. I" Z

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.2 H+ ~2 F7 D8 q) q2 @$ @# Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- m" e' t* j  Y+ ~: G
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, H- ^+ s! E) T' D$ k1 c- t
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! {2 w- I0 t. w/ A4 g$ e6 l
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' Y7 W* _8 f" y1 f5 MAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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2 Q3 T! `. w: dyes, that's the point.

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( C& g* W, `% O# t6 |2 r7 K陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......