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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- n* V; e: R- }8 L& g0 P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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5 s" b" U! G& @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ M2 G: n" [( y# y+ K

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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, l0 U2 p. K6 }6 _' M1 V, fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) g  A8 o" _4 d9 m

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  _6 t  C3 K5 {7 c6 L+ H其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! N# Y3 ^! p8 s* Z( a) _1 X; h
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; I3 r9 M) p: U$ `) _1 K( k
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 w( ^' B0 J# w

1 |8 ?* l9 e/ e$ \1 r+ v打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& I- U7 x/ n) P/ ]9 \7 a4 MIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 J4 W# k. r+ E( e/ ^/ ?( t

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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3 P( v+ d! F# Q8 e. s; WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:2 I3 x1 Q$ h7 F/ r& ]
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- o0 F0 U0 W0 g6 S- ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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