Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ }1 o# v; _4 w3 j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: W7 q/ C% [8 l, s) E$ m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* \6 }9 m9 Q5 B* W* s& A道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, E6 b5 }0 b* z2 a2 }  ~呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ U: w3 Q$ r; N( wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; y2 b3 I+ O7 S6 ^! PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." {. K  S7 R4 k* p+ }1 z  t: a
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 _" V" G& I1 L; B% T* ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* B, z6 J! K  A" M, v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  P' V( D- C: M9 }
真的!!這不是反話" @. M5 M3 G* d2 v7 c  P7 Z0 j" L
因為我是情感比理性強的人: v" I# H8 c2 G  ^' R7 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ ?9 r9 H+ m. B/ ?" p8 O; T8 ~5 F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 l' C' {3 N( x" K( ]3 r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 ?4 k; c8 W7 \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- H/ u  N: Q7 W0 t: _/ w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* p! y& X8 ^, n0 H5 Z9 l3 }What a statement we have here?
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$ h" }' ^# V- ~$ ]7 UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 Y# |- S' |5 o; g& ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." B+ Y$ S3 V$ k1 @

7 d+ c1 u- `3 [# qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 D4 _- y% n+ }/ r0 n, V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( y/ [& ?& C1 ^2 [+ J  _2 b- z1 o"不信也沒損失"  F7 i- L- [& l5 o- C, c# e3 P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) O" `7 O9 A5 f6 T0 {" G1 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 V& q5 z3 M6 J) F! d

1 Q8 X, q( ]4 e3 ]2 Git's starting because we have sins......$ j# e$ p6 c$ Z$ {1 m1 I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 d9 ^' ^2 ]& j' l5 {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; F7 g% d' [. k& ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# j1 U3 H5 S0 |6 v( Y7 ~7 m6 `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; ?: q0 t3 k/ N- Y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 X  `; K' ^5 N) I5 d$ s( b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; F4 G, A# h8 A8 j7 |6 r# R& |* a8 J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 J) M; F# t) J7 h6 n' e  L8 c

1 D& S! g7 i2 k, }+ c1 P* i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 N. c' m" e- k8 j3 V3 J/ ]0 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, D8 w) }+ Z7 M9 ~( ?- \
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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4 {# g. R4 D9 S/ @1 |/ ~6 Y以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 U3 G/ |9 Y& |$ i3 I& ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 o5 R6 {! H: f* M# ^. l! V6 G4 H

0 c7 g, D! h3 E/ g2 E8 |同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ f- Q" m3 W/ p- [; k  l0 D0 [) w! \9 m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- m! q. [: y7 a$ qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.