Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 v6 f( w; a/ L  ^! s% a. z* u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ P% p5 M: X) v/ t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 h. b/ G# |7 k) k! f, RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' m6 Y" z' P+ d: W/ {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( M8 |8 C- n( F; C6 w2 U: vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 o/ Y" s# {" A3 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 e) E3 v  @7 G. u( h( S: f
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* T& f+ Y- ]0 n: Y$ B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( l& v9 g+ l  D6 v& ]  ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% o. |4 R! ?  W9 L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  H0 u: H8 U% S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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1 B8 m, [% y. D- f( YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: M0 \- v- \/ ^* X. |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  t2 a8 f& ~$ _' g0 F! @

8 U3 H5 y. K( m4 [9 MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# ^1 B9 |. ^& v4 Z
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 N) \# r4 i% d" [7 A; J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# f2 U1 u- t4 T" ?# M' U, P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 r$ f1 G, \. {  ~1 Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 U3 r) O/ U  X
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ r3 O; U2 n- x8 C8 X- Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  R% m% Z# a) ~7 U4 ^7 kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; D: y. m. U2 l1 n/ ?' [/ W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" p$ P' N3 _; n( ~+ D2 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 O2 J, M& m" ?; {0 K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% W, o' @4 j% o0 B# {: R# Q$ v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 Q) I- l  ~! o+ K

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- i5 I0 G# h# Y7 V0 [0 x! L6 v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 l  _: ?6 T1 }) R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  g4 F8 G! d7 `. V4 U: K8 z( I

& W2 Y; j$ i8 o' i. `以下是其他人的見解,* b# D( W+ q9 }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* f. S0 \/ f5 \5 ^$ A* E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: J4 ]6 v/ @+ e; @0 {; m

% z* |- n  \* G6 D同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" u+ [! B0 e4 ?+ Y0 P) A4 P7 f, P
.............信耶穌... ...

( n! J5 c$ m* H" oRegarding the resurrection....
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. E' \$ `& `2 R! E% AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: [5 p& V) P9 X/ M. z

) C- K; W/ Z3 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.