Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 h" Q0 L8 x- p" K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, P% g- I2 I# `; j1 o/ }呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ W. m" s* `6 X: z- ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 X$ L9 N+ Q' ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# p) O* R2 W( Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ Q  p9 j* S, dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' ~. O% w$ Q6 R  W* }6 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 u, M3 F# E4 |3 n! m- R# Y7 v
真的!!這不是反話4 @9 h" m% L3 s) _; \, H- t$ J. [5 k
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 E# h" C& P2 Z& x以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: ]1 x: u8 k2 d0 m1 l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# {' f% c1 ~8 s) ^6 p" l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ?. a, Y$ g; V$ z8 H! ?What a statement we have here?% y% H, w2 d* t) g

2 |& M. E+ {) b! z  [% K9 y2 x0 R, QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 j  h* j/ P* y) \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& {; ~% F" E: s& ?+ [' \/ f# x$ f4 ]

# \- Z, `, y" Z$ T, _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 j' c* p8 R4 S2 C- n8 K$ z; [
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 j# D, e9 X2 n+ P  x  Q4 H" O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ Y5 B/ ?' h6 g: r/ ]! g0 w"不信也沒損失"
1 z3 e5 J/ K  |/ {( p: L, g6 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' m0 q7 h! t. Q/ Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 W5 C( r1 U7 C( a: S+ s6 h# N! c: H
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ q9 \# P% Z! |' ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& u, U5 _; u8 v1 \( y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: p4 y3 U% l6 Q- v6 Y7 z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) I6 p+ `  \1 r/ c2 W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 \" h6 _9 E! d- \' g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) T* B; ^0 z3 W4 l' H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 ~- R) o# x& w+ l: F1 Q. B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- }# n* D6 [+ k3 `% W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: |7 L; Y( Q1 |& k! y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) s! i% c' u% A0 u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& q5 Z# a/ g/ W
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以下是其他人的見解,
, h6 X& n' \: e& F8 d% W7 e9 p* p看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" h# s7 a3 f, M  a
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 j4 w" g( F% }1 F9 T* y6 L0 J; c3 r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* g) ?: z1 J4 V) u- ^

) b  O- v7 }5 T  r# ~* Q' ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 Q: B8 c2 j  u

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 S0 l" ^6 r( X* g# X. G9 d- Y
.............信耶穌... ...

/ Z: ?% C: f% C( h$ rRegarding the resurrection....
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% ]* y& O* h* V' ~, G# mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  p7 n1 L4 m+ r$ D* ?) ?/ IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.