Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 |  Q* z1 |7 I5 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 y3 A" s5 m# z- A- n$ j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% ^* V; y0 ~0 H2 E2 k$ C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 v- p0 L) a9 N! t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( Y( Z  [8 c( Q% d8 R; f/ E( MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... D" u% ?" S7 O( s8 _: Z& \* h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 q4 o, i. v: |! p4 ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* Q1 {6 Y, u/ vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% G3 k$ j$ @5 e$ m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 |4 ^' u3 _1 T2 e* `! e# |真的!!這不是反話
; ?' C( p) x( ]* e! B" ?: T因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ v9 O& \4 K. |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' X' x0 i. w# v8 e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 H) V; B  g/ k. F! l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 g1 N6 ]" r  O4 t+ w2 h7 PLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( _( L7 N1 ^. E6 P+ Z% R8 S
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, Y0 `% C! Q6 M; F  f# P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 Q/ r3 u9 M" H3 i7 A, j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% {' T& {- k4 B1 d( v5 A! Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ x# O# _  {5 n' l. ]0 i$ O( v6 \7 O, V
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it's starting because we have sins......9 I$ }/ D8 Z5 n8 A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 c" [8 O7 Z1 U4 Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") V( f! `4 J8 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ H) ~% H7 q+ _1 S) u/ Q* A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- z! k) \: M2 p* ?9 U. ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ q: I. ?- u# C, G' Z8 f' [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 U1 ~! e* ~* ?: i! n4 a! W* a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( ~# p/ _7 G- U# g6 [, ~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 k) W4 G: @4 P' R2 V$ S好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  W/ N/ Q) f$ U  }) S) N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% i, P$ ~! W/ C- W$ f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ N4 u4 g0 L* ?; H# ?5 O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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: s% S9 c6 O9 g6 U8 ]以下是其他人的見解,% C; ^" r& {! R( E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& l6 {. G+ F5 B, i- A. S: P" L) ?

* r2 z2 z8 O0 U1 Y: m7 J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& G5 M' l' P3 X1 ~1 |" }

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( M; l1 X+ b& N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; b* o2 B: m. N% K$ I# B
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 y) L6 U; Z; Z# ?7 ]

3 B: r# z+ S  \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# o1 Z: W- ]/ R7 d8 V( _( S9 VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.