Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, O  j$ L4 |1 G, Q4 u3 M% I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& z9 h4 x8 P+ x7 ^* r2 M$ H3 i. f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% M( V0 ^  n1 `& }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* D% k# ?0 Q, W! z0 x
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" F" c6 W5 _! E  R6 X8 O我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 S7 ~; l/ u' }" ^1 `- t* O6 m
真的!!這不是反話$ W6 G* f2 o' }7 s2 Z3 B% L
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: x2 V9 F4 n6 `6 j, j2 N: |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 e% S/ b1 @# J- [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... C) L+ ~0 ]& C1 h4 U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 q2 A9 G4 ]# v; I: A1 I# s/ ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! g& w% b) Q% K# J4 oWhat a statement we have here?; M- C3 M) M) |6 R

! [7 ]: u4 K( w; R% G. {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + I( X) {# z, [9 L% F% T% g

3 ]% \$ G; S1 V4 w1 \% A( UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  s2 ]8 A7 ^8 O; u, {1 G4 E2 m% k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 g6 F) h, g6 f# v* q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. P+ q- ]1 x  L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; d1 E" p, \/ M8 Z: I% V. N
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it's starting because we have sins......
- l4 Y: X% \4 X8 K3 [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 `: i& s2 q+ }$ l$ A* P, ?& x% o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 G) u' h" A4 G: y, p/ s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 ?6 Z, Q+ v  b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  B3 b4 Z- {, A, @% |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ p% x  R& N$ D7 C9 i0 U( i* ^. q" V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 [0 b% `1 ^! {8 [2 ]+ A: ~) K2 t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 a+ L1 }4 W# j1 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( U& P. `  L$ k/ u2 d' ~$ B2 h5 j

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4 q5 ]2 r5 l! q7 I3 X  D( Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& _0 C4 _8 O5 `  A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: H- Z" N3 l. q7 t. b6 y5 B

$ p: q4 N" F, x7 u. |以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- q9 W) B' {2 `5 [+ h

- {8 F* T5 O: q0 s3 H$ Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 }0 t/ r: t5 s" B- m

* z, R% B' T: ~, o) `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' Z) n2 `: ~# O9 W" `4 k9 G" G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; |* H( L6 f' e& F; o3 T

7 Y* a, {5 i: O  FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ j7 M7 i: y1 s+ P, h3 h1 P# qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.