Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" A% r; M9 x+ U& f  Y0 g# o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 a: B+ Y7 y& T4 R! V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% m2 y& M& w3 I$ h& x9 f

3 @* z1 x0 X" t9 J, e0 K7 K. ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' m0 v, m% ?0 j8 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 Q" P) j8 a" i8 t- B0 i! dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 z% E' k: C- [* C4 u4 s: x我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 D# V( [/ a* E* Z
真的!!這不是反話7 g/ N$ F' l) d+ A0 F% a- ?: v
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% z% J; z+ p# D0 `- E/ C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ U, h' d% K# a1 x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 h  w' j. G/ h( s$ o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" O/ z7 C$ ?- h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 J6 C  c  Z, p

, z8 z: J/ f. @5 D3 n& ?I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& @6 c/ s; @3 W# H! G9 T
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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! Z! I8 p- B; l- ^$ {. x"不信也沒損失"% Q5 D+ j+ g5 K7 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 E; J. r+ V& G7 N# S) X& ?5 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* f! D: d( x7 g+ t
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it's starting because we have sins......+ f$ z4 c- E* ~1 O' {* i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 D6 U) j, [7 e8 f6 a  Tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 H) M; a) X: ]( m7 ?. C6 b2 O1 S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 n' y: V; T6 f% W, l& F$ q, T0 p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 U  ^7 r! C/ m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 y$ K4 |6 S& I* K5 s- b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 o7 H9 [3 z; [4 Z) ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" z' k2 g$ _+ g( z8 a1 j2 M7 V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! c6 d8 C; t. L+ s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. M/ d7 o+ e( r& f2 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% ~, K, I+ A! h, S; Y) _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% s. d9 x# r! P! e
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" q5 l7 x9 l, ?3 W# l0 u  J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! u* @+ u, O( m& [5 f' n7 Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) P- F' N  p7 W& C+ }0 E5 |

% ?; ?7 d9 [6 {2 R& y( \0 d. k以下是其他人的見解,9 v/ G% t% I. D& u; O3 _4 x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* @0 ?. L3 [$ U" c! s
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. g/ M5 [% u1 r. Q

1 C9 E  }- M* W1 |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; X4 {; E! b! f0 `' m
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 u( K, S- w! }  A& \4 V
.............信耶穌... ...

1 x6 \# O% [( K2 M( rRegarding the resurrection....
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. t. E6 S: j. `  O/ r( y4 O/ Z/ hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.