Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' u9 P0 W9 n2 d# ^5 ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 w: D- ~9 s0 c" Z0 ?6 p% a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 z) l7 H9 P; Z; r, |& C. O5 x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. O6 \) Z* I2 T* o2 xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" p1 k- {& [  D2 C7 Q/ ]* N  s' [" m9 I
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 W# ^% R; j  @4 V4 f) }# W) l( Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ l6 n) R  y& v& K我只不過微小的基督徒...................; P, c0 l0 f+ ?% x  w5 y
真的!!這不是反話6 H& y4 i, n  _4 R% r
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 p7 @+ A1 k  n. v+ m- W3 p0 h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 t9 B- b2 X' E4 K" s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 c5 y* Q8 [6 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# x3 j( }+ r/ rWhat a statement we have here?& K, Z3 _- ]8 A! u% ]: F

: @" G4 i8 d1 ?, GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 m, I* z" q- O9 Z3 t7 X. Y& V6 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 `6 ^8 e6 S% D6 C8 i( j" J7 j% w2 n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 A! c% X: C# f% E( o& {2 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- U3 J" G2 \) l- E7 c, l0 \0 J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; k, F( a* S3 s8 N: F9 p; k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 z7 T7 B+ ^8 [& X/ L' L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 X8 _$ F* T/ M  E& C3 T" {- t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 U! A1 P- M' K4 U. a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! L% s7 [5 q# E& o! e3 W; n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. z  S. t" H" m8 n; U/ ]5 \$ T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ _- ~" K+ f8 g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' S" |' t  }: X' a/ K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% |$ y! Z8 y$ G
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 k: k" J( ?# [& i; z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! d9 X1 p& R& n( ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) \; p4 a" [3 s8 K8 y, i8 Y. B
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* D* Q; x# ~/ r+ q9 q$ j% l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 S3 \; w* @1 S3 k9 X6 c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 S2 G7 m: J+ x5 h% O, ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 q" C7 I  u2 E+ H9 ]& x
.............信耶穌... ...

; D( D/ z* R& A: tRegarding the resurrection....  f3 m$ v6 Y1 y2 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ H- s! g+ c) Q0 O4 y. d, t

1 B& l8 C, H1 J" v% B- MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.