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發表於 2005-8-17 06:58 AM | 只看該作者

Questions about the Bible

These are some of the questions I've been thinking for a long time.

1) The Bible talks about the absolute truth. The Bible said that human are not perfect, i.e. they can make mistake. People said that the authors were "under the guidance of god".

How can a mistake-prone author write about a book that talks about the *absolute* truth?

2) The Bible consists of 37 books in the Old Testament and 29 books in the New Testament. Over all, there are >4000 manuscripts.

How do people know that this is the 100% complete collection? And how do people know that each and every single one of the books are 100% correct?

3) The Bible has been translated by men. And the Bible said that human makes mistake.

How can people pick up a version, say English, and claim the *absolute* truth?
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發表於 2005-8-17 11:04 AM | 只看該作者

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Originally posted by westsider at 2005-8-17 06:58 AM:
These are some of the questions I'v...
After I read all three questions, I believe what you really want to ask is that human is not perfect and both you and me will make mistake.  Therefore, same to those who write the bible.  Is that true?

To answer your question, I first need to ask you.  Do you believe that there is a God?

A God who create the Universe.  A God that create the earth and it was so precisely done.  If the axis of the earth is 1 degree more or less, many locations in this planet would suffer from extreme heat and vice versa.

He also creates the right balance of air for us to breath.  If the ratio of Hydrogon Dioxide is more than it is right now... Guess what will happen?

Yes, you are correct that we as a human aren't perfect but with God guidance, everything is possible.  Since he can create the planet, the universe, DNA, among others so precisely, why can't he guide human to write out texts - bible - that is true?

Tony
B. Eng., M.A.Sc. in Engineering

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發表於 2005-8-17 11:41 AM | 只看該作者
yes.they may make mistake...but they write that by GOD's instructure.
If god ask them to write...do u think god allow they write with mistake?
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發表於 2005-8-17 11:46 AM | 只看該作者
My question is about its claim of "absolute" truth, i.e. Zero error. If those who write the bible could be wrong, how can the literature claim the "absolute" truth?

I believe that our universe has certain underlying structure, but I am comfortable in talking about such structure only up to a certain accuracy.

The air does have the "right" balance of compounds, but such balance is "right" within certain accuracy. 0.01% more hydrogen dioxide is not going to hurt us.

Classical mechanics is "right" only above the de Brolie's wavelength. After that, quantum theory's accuracy is restricted by the Heisenberg's principle.

The "absolute" truth is a huge claim. The Bible makes such claim, and simultaneously says that the error-prone author is "correct under God's guidance". It really appears as a circular argument to me.

If I believe in God before believing in the Bible, and God himself is described by the Bible, it seems like my belief is based on nothing.

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發表於 2005-8-17 11:59 AM | 只看該作者
due to my poor english,actually i dun realy know what is yr question
u mean someone who wrote bible can make mistake?
but u should know...GOD tell them to write bible,GOD should ensure no mistake when they are writing bible.
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發表於 2005-8-17 12:06 PM | 只看該作者
Originally posted by imaimashi at 2005-8-17 11:59 AM:
due to my poor english,actually i d...
Sorry I dunno how to write/type Chinese.

But what you're saying is "Bible is correct because I believe in God". But what is God? God Himself is described by the Bible. So you would then say "I believe in God because the Bible of correct."

So it is a circular argument.
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發表於 2005-8-17 12:10 PM | 只看該作者
I tried to chip in what I know...

I guess you do have put some times in to the Bible...

Anyway, when the Chrostoan refers the Bible as the absolute truth, they are generally refer in three area.

1) Historic...
    What the Bible record was totally true.. there was no making up of stories...
       Example:   Moses lead the Jews out form Egypt and subside the water from the sea.
                      Noah's build the ark
                      Biblical Characters, David, Solomon, JPseph and of course Jesus

2) World
    The Bilble descride the world has corrupt into multi-religion even from long long time to now.
       Example: Antheism   ( No god)
                    Pamtheism ( Everything can be god)
                    Polythesim  ( There are more than one god)     
                    Dualism  ( Everything has 2 sides, example, manvs woman, bright vs darkness, etc)
                    Humanism ( Man is the centre of everyhting)
                    Evolution ( Everything is evolved form nothing)


3) Religion
      1) Man was made from the image of God
      2) God gave man the rights to govern the world
      3) God gave man to have a relationship with God ( Animal cannot)
       4) The purpose of man's existence and the plan God has for mankind


These are the absolute truth of the Bible

When we read the BIble, I bet most of us do not know Greek nor Hebrew, sowe can only read the translation. How precise the translation is...  I would say 99.99%

Some of the words are not translatable. and some of them with hidden meaning and can only be understand with a lot of explantation...

But for Christian, every word that has included in the Bible are allowed by GOD. For those that finalized the content of the Bible, they had put lots of time in research, dedication and total devotion to God's word then they came out with this content of the Bible.


NO matter what kind of language you are reading, the truth is, the Bible records how God created man, and how man turned away from God, and God's plan for man and the destination of this world.

Even when God showed up in front of many people, man still choose not to believe in HIM. This has been true in the past, and in the present and will be in the future .

So, for those who want to have an open minded to study the BIBLE and willing to see how true or how wild this BOOK is.... I am sure that person will not be disappointed...  because my own expereince tells me that the Bible is very real and  the BIBLE is a channel God use to talk to us....

Try and you will be amaze ..........................
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發表於 2005-8-17 12:21 PM | 只看該作者
Well, I was brought up in a Christian family. So I have read some Bible.

And the teaching of Christianity has always been about "faith". The arguments, including the above, have always been based on "faith".

When it came down to it, its always "God is real because the Bible is correct", and then "the Bible is correct because of God's pressence."

So do you believe in God or the Bible first?

Also, something 99.99% true is not "absolutely" true.

I am just looking for some rational basis for this whole thing.

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發表於 2005-8-17 12:54 PM | 只看該作者

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Originally posted by westsider at 2005-8-17 12:21 PM:
Well, I was brought up in a Christi...
I doubt that anyone in this world would understand the truth if God let you know everything about Him.  The Bible itself only cover a small portion of what God wants you to know.   No matter you understand 100% or 99.9%, it is not the whole picture.  You and I both don't have the knowledge and the brain power to understand the real truth.

The wonderful thing is that no matter how stupid we are, God still loves us and He died for us and gives us eternal life.

If you really want to know the answer, pray to God.  The holy spirit will guide you to understand what you need to know.  Meanwhile, buy some Christian's related textbook, tapes, or CD to enhance your knowledge of the bible.

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