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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 R- h- a; W, y$ t0 _, P! Z
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: r( z" X+ m! ^0 P' K; N

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.2 w' F9 `: R( P0 ^

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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& P+ k0 q0 j$ F* ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: x' u  ^. J' H2 B$ k  ~( |) B' E
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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/ a6 z6 h3 R: `0 I" O* y# ~. }/ j軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維. L/ y* g- X( \/ {. S' t) R

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* j$ b- r6 p7 X) H5 }1 y
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 U4 g/ O! ?  @: B
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ o6 j# ]: n, C4 |7 q1 \% x4 p# t

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# F- }/ g) `9 s% G! N) uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& x& }/ i$ a- M0 c5 j( Z$ W3 B, ]

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; H! G5 d5 q& F) u. Q7 t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......