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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 T  b' |# w- D2 D9 l

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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3 Y# U6 E9 C" G" pbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.& R& t% K. K" [! K7 J

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. x. n! C/ Y% B

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1 N% w0 V0 l- V* W5 \But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* ~! R; h6 \0 K* U' p3 U5 ?2 Y6 ~4 N

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. h: W% L) C0 l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:, B8 S. w! N; h# F9 `
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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5 g3 s; K2 A6 w! u6 T( ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:9 t! f) O' V8 C* L, e9 o. N
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  S# U8 V5 {0 a2 I2 W% R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ d* i& _$ A; T

% p6 ^3 D+ g1 V$ N: M4 Vyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......