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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! j4 a% o* v  r: X) v3 r

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:0 e+ P  D- P$ n( g

0 R2 u9 U2 t) |( I* Z, h, abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 w& M; D% l8 [8 Q6 f9 c3 b

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 t$ R8 V% H0 J9 r) m0 \

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4 m9 l3 K" s: s+ i: P, ]But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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0 U3 q( }7 e: L3 X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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0 H7 Y3 k, x! {see #22 Thus
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- x$ N: F' [5 G+ `9 w) y8 C智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->+ h6 t+ N3 R  q- z" d- T
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ ]% O4 k5 m& l# E3 B/ d6 a

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- d5 {! L. z7 f$ C: d
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: \' L" L8 |$ o# H9 B9 T

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) k+ `/ B) `3 a0 ]7 \/ T3 SAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# s/ j. h; r# I# M! U/ ]/ S6 J$ H

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( M1 x# ]7 f9 }! }! cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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* s+ r# T' Y3 }, Z. e( E. I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; v! {! s) k. r+ w4 ^" V
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; w9 B8 s5 ?3 g# {0 F他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......