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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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0 y. I4 c. x0 w, tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 I# i3 p0 o- R3 r# w

6 Q1 y# r! s  O1 Xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 f8 |# E7 B; _3 }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.  p/ F6 w. H& K' l$ d$ ^. n8 x

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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9 s* k! d$ ^! E1 Y' `4 Y4 uBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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9 q; K" r. Y+ a% W# `5 e( H1 q4 ?/ R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus# R, V) U  u  J" t
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- t2 r$ O4 x' B1 J
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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- \+ d: [7 G3 S. ]$ q9 j政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.+ H0 x$ E5 |7 P& H7 e+ x* m( y1 u) S7 _

$ _0 T7 {7 _- [8 N3 {打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) u: d. [7 f) i, q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: ]+ G3 Q6 z' }- M
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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9 t7 W  f6 x2 i9 }他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ a* C! x: z2 J+ v
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7 T3 W. D: Y0 e9 [, v- {Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% v; n. z1 R# @. {# B% J
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. F8 E/ |3 M& _8 G" U) CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ q# T8 p0 `' H3 u4 R: I5 |
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' R( ]/ E8 Z3 d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

/ X- a. x, J. ?% e3 {yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 H0 z# e) @7 N4 U# W

9 p9 I$ i  A0 f- _8 H! W' ]yes, that's the point.

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$ T7 I8 D' J2 z; I5 y陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......