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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ v  |0 h9 P4 `9 u9 m* h
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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$ ?8 ~+ ~1 O9 }# F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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' z5 U/ a! P/ P1 }( {' Q其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus6 A; B, w) C% Z4 z1 S
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 ^' X- Y3 d) p' c! j" Q
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維1 [+ F1 C1 q& D) N0 s
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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( w4 J3 e' o% H( l9 ?2 v) P9 J打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% T$ n( }" F' V7 i) D, j- N' ZIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 @1 ^; S* N2 b0 L( f, j1 \他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......