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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! S% O" Y; u% S4 I8 o3 v+ W

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) v# |3 w# D- v% x
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( `8 ]  J- c% N' k  }0 }! `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% k3 Q) h/ m, C4 H- K3 ]
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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. ?+ p$ H: B5 g3 D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* D: i4 H+ m# a, m8 E

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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; y7 m6 l" R# T& |8 h) S7 Z打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:. ~8 S' Y) j; K; e5 b- i
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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0 L/ }# j( a3 c: K, S% ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. g0 t4 i/ @; Q6 ^2 E2 Y) n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# {/ \8 Z+ D  x0 R: ~

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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! J5 i6 A' i6 b3 dyes, that's the point.

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