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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; h3 R/ h. q: f* P/ s& i
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) u% x$ b6 G& Y' FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# }0 P$ N: t. s

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 j, o) x+ M7 g8 Y8 G

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; p. k, X) `, M# s6 ^1 F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus7 \* q* @2 ?6 Q1 Z, M6 J

6 y' i6 Q, ]- s' h  ^/ I  O9 H" U智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->( b7 s/ e6 X% |1 c% s4 t

6 c+ _0 R3 H0 s0 Q軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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. Z, N- W: E: A; q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 j3 y3 {: J4 _6 Z+ I9 w- Q' A
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:1 V$ d% T1 [+ e  A* f2 p% m: w- n. j
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 ^# H) }  h; i4 F1 D5 w5 j" |9 g# a

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他比孔明更偉大

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; R& d5 L. w+ F* r2 HAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ Q  Q, l5 `+ ]' j8 A8 _
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& k* l; D( Q3 r# O! r$ LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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# T/ N- x* S0 c6 |- v% v" B5 r4 R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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- m' T8 L; h; g) M7 b% _( J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ a1 P8 `3 r2 \
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yes, that's the point.

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