151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ {0 q! Z0 d$ w3 S  I; P3 t  p
# x# P7 h( x7 S: y* i! j1 k- T
/ k8 Z& c% P/ y% q2 z8 T% p/ O
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

9 n  C7 ^8 p) d# K5 h& Sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- d: ^5 N' Q5 o$ h2 Y
9 I$ H0 D3 d. l1 t# N  ~% ?- q
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

8 P4 j, y% T: S3 l$ {. ^4 M! P$ }6 _: m( `' {& e$ H
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
; L: s; R6 r; P$ F9 E( [0 D4 n% H
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
1 g! B+ k) w1 b- S4 g) L  r- g0 a& b, t5 y
* F7 t! y3 {* d8 a+ r
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

' R/ @0 N2 i, R( a; k3 M  t4 P% [2 |
6 B2 @+ P* E9 \) g8 S  M3 g2 dwhy?( i6 \- J' S" X8 c# h

1 v; V  w2 j- m其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
( ]- r: X4 t/ o1 G9 U; [. ^: Z0 N% J3 l% j  N1 o& x0 M

0 p# F; b8 i" v. i' @8 X% ~why?1 l  O, B8 Y; }% F8 A
, T7 Y6 G& c7 |
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

- u) @6 e5 r+ y& w

  v. H7 @+ N: q2 e* y% M) osee #22 Thus5 M4 K- U- z" n; x3 J/ A! S6 f
/ e3 l7 i+ j# w. Z
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
! v6 v* q, G/ E. j2 S- M1 M# M
9 w4 K4 G/ d& B' U* [軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ `! H- [% k; ?' ]* k; G
+ e9 E8 U# N0 m5 B; h4 O+ }
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
* W, ~8 }  P0 ~+ s9 l3 }2 e
5 m2 i) T3 `% ^1 B6 c打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
6 A+ B/ o; I' U0 W& ~8 i8 N+ t
8 D1 @9 E9 r3 L9 t! K[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:$ Y5 i9 N' x7 C  }# }/ o( x/ z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

$ Q' d6 x; X$ O/ F/ b

7 X& \- J3 Z' F+ f) ~" ?' y他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
, K: s3 V; }6 \& z. G( @: ?/ ?# z% Y" z, ]
4 w" V2 Y: e/ Q2 o8 t; {% k9 T
他比孔明更偉大

8 A& P0 [, e" U
4 v, C; g& r3 _+ I$ ?* L
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
% Q6 {, X' ?7 A; ]+ o" Z, h8 Y  V* L3 a- B5 s, p

( V9 v" d* ~/ n( ^( D! xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

% Q$ r8 ?/ E  k- p) A. V4 H/ p4 J9 {/ S0 U/ N2 b$ v2 C) ]
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
6 [! W7 k* e/ k. g, X( i- U4 W4 P/ E, v: F/ h- X
1 Q* s: a7 G9 U3 Z5 K4 l
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

& k" D. \1 V2 Hyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  R5 t4 c% |/ J9 N; J, O
# w! z! }' p# N& F6 g* I9 k* n% D
yes, that's the point.

/ p+ E! `! {1 c3 h- j5 O
4 k' h7 h4 D# d. K9 F& A陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......