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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( c" a& `! C6 Q( l5 F8 q  O; s. F
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 B& D  U) F! z5 X

+ [& U% e5 s2 n8 f( Zbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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% ]7 e$ x+ Y' H: nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: f: E6 e* B7 u4 H! q( z( K+ `& dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 g, x1 z; B1 d1 t# d# b

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  \4 ]; h5 C& I! H. k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: J( T, \3 O+ y: J: a; t
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維" C& s: G2 m, i& o) n8 Y0 |' R

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) ]& M6 Y+ I2 o$ R6 }, T; R; h1 j' \In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ T4 `  m! _1 k7 q; R! H- m

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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2 i' |) ], R: R  j9 T% j6 ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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! E( \' T1 I( N0 n2 l( r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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