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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 l% P1 S4 Z% T& Q

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( \+ e' o: C7 f智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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6 I( @: @) [7 @* V. f& ^; z& JBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ Q" h( `' o& Q7 J! a- u" q' ~/ P

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 p( |4 B: x/ R% i

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9 Q" _0 L. s9 t) O" E; F! H& ?& ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:5 ~- \1 s. i5 t* m" G& b" [
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->  k6 N6 b, r0 u. i9 r

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( ~7 N* O: J4 ^# e+ j8 |* B" {打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% J/ i- Y9 q8 P6 v/ R( v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" G( Q& R7 h+ t( C) q
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:. A( S% R& r7 i! {2 f) N

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 _" d0 n! [% t
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. q9 U5 \7 ~" _1 s
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1 U' d* G: V1 n9 d& X: W, |" z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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: \6 `% U. [; r* a陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......