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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; s( y& I9 j7 f* X
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 M: y7 V% k) x9 M% [

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" o, _* }5 z  r7 k6 s

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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. T3 y. ^" B& B0 p* M& m其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus! J/ a: q1 u7 i

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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+ R7 {& k7 H8 l( [- ^打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 k- y2 J$ s# e% z8 h5 L
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% G+ Z. q$ }+ u& L( A* q
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 M/ N( k; _( ~3 R

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2 |( K" J+ h$ q3 i. ]3 s; \# bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: `" _# z* y( N- n/ P, G

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! Y0 n* O: y- \- b. S

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, I  [' B1 K4 h* P5 P: Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ V! I6 Q) P5 \6 i
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......