151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 e0 \$ W; d4 h' S5 ^
2 n( W. \# ^2 b- P- K5 L6 F
  t/ ~9 W3 N8 Z) E) P$ O8 D7 I
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

% O4 Z3 e# Q, l7 L, W- Y! b3 {
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ u, h4 I2 N$ W; \6 o& q& ?' H2 T
5 G: G  c  l- e: u/ A
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

  U% E- ?! w% g$ X1 t

! u  y7 r# g1 O8 h. |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
$ X9 `8 m$ a- s( s
/ o5 j' ^  T- Z; X; D9 r9 |. }[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
" R* ~7 R2 o# k/ {: [& }5 H7 h3 \% x

2 b/ f4 V; M# YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

. J& u. x! _: V) |5 B0 Y( I0 ^

' N6 i' n- X: o2 Z+ Qwhy?
, G. {5 a4 y, H. T" }# H6 m+ z3 L3 x: P8 m
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
& V  w0 \8 e( V# m) V: y: b3 X  x5 e/ O' q4 f
2 J* S1 d% p% n6 j' B6 A; t
why?
2 ]4 x2 h0 c( h$ w1 i& p. [: o: C+ Q3 O9 P5 Z- o
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

  k2 n) `/ }5 L7 ]* L0 y
+ t. P2 L) M2 T$ T% s& R
see #22 Thus+ A( _2 @, }' Q1 R/ h' Z

4 u- x- f8 j1 Q4 o7 e" e, T0 ?智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
: P/ r1 y" x& P. G: m) x# y' Q
/ J1 R; K) S$ C' Z5 ?軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
1 Y8 U3 n% f4 e& ]
& A0 o, B( R+ h3 t6 @; v. u政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
& v! i7 l- ^5 F: \+ \. P- w. y1 A: B3 O) p% e7 n
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮." r/ Y: J: O0 b0 T, l9 C& v
3 E& {# x* U) Y2 i" C# S" ^/ i8 {3 u
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" N. t, C# O" D1 ^( N/ L0 jIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

* I' F0 }- P0 k5 \/ G. w
9 k1 [: i/ v8 s* ^, k/ J他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
2 n- K( ]; {% S, s% t7 u+ S' [
. X& V4 k. M& K% T* a2 A5 Z0 d. E- |; i% n% x, A9 J" d; w
他比孔明更偉大

5 H! Z2 \: u6 q; C6 ~$ {+ ]2 h
% u8 o5 i" W9 ]; A- T2 C2 O
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* s* _% i6 Q7 X6 B

% y+ V$ N+ S$ i9 P4 `( s6 I7 V4 n3 M1 |% ^
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

. n; S6 u, Y4 p% k, L/ y. n8 I
. y" j( p1 z6 V2 }& c
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
; {4 G2 t# f5 W6 V) t* F2 @: t
: R/ ~' s5 C) {& `& R: j1 b3 X  d8 {  z) K% ^! K  v
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

6 q7 g% E8 _+ S. I, O) _9 P& i
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 L& v7 [1 C4 ~' o: u
" `1 c+ T3 ?! R0 m0 I
yes, that's the point.

. I. B2 F! O( ~5 G4 k5 {

) T* J& z& z) m& x陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......