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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ ^* r3 z( @+ b- m4 x
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9 `) b7 T' O2 _2 x9 [8 I. }智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( u# |' h" i/ o

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 H* @! H  f& x  a) }) EBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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0 x3 S5 P, r( ^4 l3 ~/ |6 N3 y* M其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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- w/ L4 a* }  O7 }see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 T* S; W: X1 h

1 q/ l! h  }& R' C0 Y# \軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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0 Z6 L" K4 q: Q( a5 ^+ w5 U! Z3 W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- {( t. o5 B" l( X

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ [" ?0 p& x# V) }8 w0 VIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 ?. n! U4 g/ D# z

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: ?8 F$ ]! M0 J& a. u

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# \" ]$ h2 B/ ~" O$ s- `

' v) d5 E$ l3 Uyes, that's the point.

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