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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 Z/ J7 z# D6 D  X1 f3 t
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:  L( k& R5 `7 D7 O! v' ~
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ |. \4 r; i, P4 C0 W* F
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:% w- z( Q1 g1 `  O$ W  E% P  ~

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& R0 V. k7 T* h7 {1 u' G6 d: j6 mBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 v! P9 k4 L% O  f5 ]5 O, i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus% W7 q  J1 N/ \

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4 \. \* W1 \1 a% |打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: b0 F8 g  i3 n8 R9 X7 n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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% D0 R, z# k3 q& t6 o9 [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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# N1 D2 J& P) j4 B2 P2 B) t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! Q& E9 i3 A7 s' a" ]
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......