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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  C+ I& H0 l" |! D
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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: v! [" w5 G; j. Mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮." [; ~7 z8 u( O* ]1 ?( q: s! Z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, p$ J# z1 M% ~- @2 m" E8 b5 i; A

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1 G2 M; _/ r. l5 qBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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" @$ g2 ^. U$ K# o  T7 s智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' I! e% [4 @& _# O+ g
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維% Y$ \8 {7 @1 {  B/ @

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/ A) E1 p& b9 |' N* S7 n打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
7 N+ W% d* M; K6 q5 B+ WIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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4 t" y+ a1 I& Q: s: a7 w. k; m他比孔明更偉大

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2 n; ?7 {5 g3 f$ {7 {Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  t4 n2 ~! R" o- T6 D, LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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2 Q  o1 S7 X5 Q2 }) N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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1 a# G* D/ M7 p  A他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

* @3 s: j: v+ ^9 vyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......