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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# Z8 V  u6 T1 o% d( F, a
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( I& c" `: {' X% UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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& i( z0 I- B7 hwhy?
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/ r2 _) }0 H- @5 E3 G8 R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->& g8 w# J6 g+ }" B

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ b' S5 n% l2 M: v. p; U* m0 H+ j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 E$ G, Y  Y% P% SIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% @+ ?; z  r6 |9 ^; c0 W8 g% V

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4 h6 q+ Z0 ^$ O7 T1 k5 R, AAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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* |$ L7 H  r& c. ~7 k& e- ~( e" HAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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' w4 d& v& @7 C- X  r1 J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 P& x% z' C  s1 e6 t  b: P

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& x0 N( f. I; k他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 v/ _( @2 Y5 `+ K5 }* ]
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......