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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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3 C' M, b- g5 e智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

% X8 ]0 e) a, ~1 ^; }but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' j. S. X, B! v5 l6 |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.  W5 _5 f  y& K! C# A# _! @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( l  E/ ?7 p- R2 q# O# r* a
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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7 j) y& z  ]% |* [8 v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 T4 Q- [, H2 E+ B6 n! ^0 L7 |7 _why?
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; f' e7 g: A+ y6 A& l% ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># L( U6 T8 ]' C5 O% T# ?2 Q3 X9 j
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維4 v6 L7 y6 K8 B/ g3 L$ @0 w( M4 ?

9 _% p( J5 @. V+ z政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- O4 K5 s; _% l, v# G9 P  M7 q
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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7 s6 @- W! Z( h5 r$ \. f他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 ]& U* b! _4 I: Z( C3 @7 Y

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( j5 S& P7 G; f1 l- b' T. oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 s8 ?1 {3 c: G% d3 a

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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, \* c( x: ^8 s1 O0 Y! A8 `他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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) }* ?& Z7 |0 g2 n7 q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 h- w+ @7 `: O! j

; j0 O. s" k# @5 n- Byes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......