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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 a" h# p" ~/ x& @% J% p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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( x, p# R( o) P0 n  K1 l: e% qbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 z  v4 X% l' O- F& \But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; w) ^% y+ U9 h9 Y0 Y8 K6 A1 s

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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" ]+ \$ M$ t1 e其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 K3 q" Z& P" K- {8 L* V+ K, A

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.. t4 ~' V2 k9 U

7 _, I* j: c9 T4 V; m打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 d$ y" V( a" m% o8 b
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 z4 R) L5 C0 y: S2 ]* E7 wIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ ~$ Z! _5 s! p3 J% R
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" e9 A7 q( O( m. A  A2 |) ?

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  D, L" ~0 p( w% T

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......