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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' [  D, S1 p2 _! v1 _# L
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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! i" d* J. Q9 W- J& BBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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+ T' S- m; U* M. Q( J- `$ W3 l: E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus2 {0 U& j( h$ v: q5 ]/ x& j. t

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.8 q2 M9 p0 Y- ?" T3 K- o
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# y; ^* j' g- D2 A1 N3 F# W
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
6 I, P/ F# f7 E6 R" eIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ r' C: c0 b2 Y$ ]3 U

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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: i, I# z( P& H6 S( C; {2 j他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: z$ R. ]5 Q1 a$ V# L7 U7 J2 {) m, V3 h+ n

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! N, F; h" M9 C7 P5 F- r. ?2 d+ h
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yes, that's the point.

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