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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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" Q$ d+ Q9 ], z4 A9 o0 j; M( |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ F# ], H; {4 t: `( X
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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( p, p- r9 J6 I  [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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+ [$ e5 R0 N. q/ ]' L+ s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 }7 T4 r- C; ^9 U' r" n: N

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see #22 Thus5 Q2 ^' q6 p8 i; B6 }6 X: ^9 N' g

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+ }) ~0 R) N  S0 X' `- L7 m  M& k政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:3 L; r5 M5 y" K- d& @
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  v5 p/ r4 v* F8 E. `2 ^
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ k; {0 X0 r& \: o0 D3 j  u5 c
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  k( _' |8 M( m. C) FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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+ n7 @& e) E4 Q' s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:* g& J- {8 \, _

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