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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: K- v! M- x% }2 Y+ F$ ?

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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5 v; C5 \# S+ x( ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; r  t3 P9 Y2 e4 N- \# e

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 z0 y1 h: V4 f* o/ \
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ z) l- r( }6 E3 d: b
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.8 p! b0 J$ T/ O" z7 p. ?, m7 P2 q! ^

" W" f, s8 e; i" B' Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:; i- c2 ]; o0 X* \8 f5 \
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: o5 O) F% x: P* i7 O) y% p
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 J5 N) G& G4 F  C/ g  N
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:9 a; K1 @/ {6 W) g

5 D, m6 P1 h& _yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......