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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ z# j) L' r* e+ c/ K" @5 z
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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5 j2 Q+ I( R( f. b' X0 Obut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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, w2 C3 {& T( ^5 ^* e  zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# ~; V6 e! x* F1 G5 [

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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2 a/ T8 ~( _4 |+ \其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus+ g4 r5 S7 h# m

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' i# l* O2 g5 O( o$ R' k  B
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; W3 Y$ N6 b) u' c  ^. ^8 t
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' G) E" s; o" m' p" k4 I! [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) u2 x& A5 Y5 a- O/ o
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& J( x% O$ z% y; r* d

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2 T8 p4 ]3 ^! j3 E$ F, QAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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: [1 T- `, h7 j: _* |3 O他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......