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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 t3 p% E, W# X

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5 g2 \  S0 P+ f7 e& [5 d( d; m智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

2 C4 f+ R9 I4 T# ybut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, g* x$ `$ N0 m: M9 p

# f! I# S4 f- I  B' [! i( I! xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 s. x: n0 [& Y9 W$ c

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' K$ g1 J) m" l1 g2 j: T+ {But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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7 N6 p$ E( t7 b  p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus& k! R' j. n. R* c5 D4 d
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* q+ n) `( d. l$ ~4 ]8 g: w6 W# l

- d8 v! X2 r6 q3 T3 ?軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維: `! n6 c- l$ d0 X0 D
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) @0 g# Q% h; [7 [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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: N6 J) c& a& |! v- F" Y! [他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- V! Q) |9 I. Z0 d$ m+ S

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他比孔明更偉大

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5 t0 S. C4 ^5 q, p& F+ FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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. b! w% v% K) b  T7 M; X( M5 vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 G( v$ }9 U! z' t$ a他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 M2 m+ }6 U+ T3 v; M1 L

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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) C3 Q/ s, Q) K/ Yyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......