151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 s% d3 N6 E5 m6 ?' F
8 W3 [0 B+ K3 M! s% u+ V0 D
" G0 w7 t$ ?: \" M% R/ u0 c
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ L% F# T& j- M5 }but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ {% o0 _* S  y/ m  u- ?* \

) V' M* f9 v% ?0 ^7 sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

8 m3 |  m3 S& N7 e% O8 n

8 A: c* x3 [. J. G. l: ~/ ~+ o6 hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
6 [' G' I, |+ Q1 q- L2 Y
5 A# J! m8 R5 u( E( A9 d7 _[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
2 J; ]2 {3 ^/ H: ^% ^; `1 s* o: j% C/ s0 m$ U' X- V

9 }, |' B6 s9 ~+ z+ I: RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

! s; Y( A( }7 {7 u% W: U. z1 a- O% U
why?
+ e/ F; T3 |: |) i0 r4 K
. V# N/ ]- @7 f0 ~& [3 C" b$ {其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 l. z1 ^9 O1 f
; K+ l8 L0 t6 ?6 U: G( Q
2 i" a# [, Z8 E+ E1 ^
why?
7 d+ L7 m/ N; S$ _8 y0 z* t6 V1 z7 h& y6 e6 p# O
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

7 r9 _4 ]7 h% {

. ^! Q/ y/ z: H- H- `  J& c. S; Jsee #22 Thus
3 N3 ]4 c* _& T- y
8 r8 P- D; Y% c5 Y/ p6 B& [& x智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- E8 h6 I/ N- h# _# v

4 ?4 ?( G9 w& C- w: c軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ F" r8 d  r" t5 \3 P3 ?

! [. p, R! v2 k6 x# v政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
3 f, J  j9 c5 h( Q0 N) `! d6 ]% C. ^' E& l( H, n0 K
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- a5 G  @: B( K/ |

# P* u+ u  n/ K: Z$ Q[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: ~0 P; R0 x- k2 J! tIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

. U8 E* C' l2 G
: J- b3 x/ F" Y$ Q6 S  B0 b: {' G
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 \6 K8 Q$ s" s' s! p

8 ^% I/ J* t7 f% r7 E9 G8 e
7 s) h. \5 |/ z- g( j8 m他比孔明更偉大

. u9 r. |! T, [! B3 ~. e: b- s3 `
* `1 [; b, A1 h$ T9 A) _) yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ G& p4 q# ?* i5 m3 T' J( C/ G
( q0 K, b. \! N# n; V
+ x- c# N: n# a9 k2 t7 u. h
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

# M% w4 q# c$ r  S5 @

6 ?# W6 J4 ]3 E5 q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
$ ?. D  g, m0 C, J( s8 Q% B* U+ p" B3 C* `3 y

2 {4 A$ Z  R1 t5 u他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

% f! |# W! |; b' d
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  q: r. Q8 D2 W4 @1 A4 h5 _

- L' E7 e( c# f( @+ {9 m- @5 Yyes, that's the point.

4 I. s. a& e- V% i  |2 Q

* l) B7 ~. n% U% ?! _3 I) Q陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......