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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% M. F; F2 j8 ]0 U0 U

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! z8 b% H; J8 x! x4 }/ ]
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮., j4 |9 k1 r: h/ g- ^# n( @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. @2 a# e$ n; W  H( l

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6 g0 k! N# C0 d& A0 vBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:" b( @1 R6 |  Z+ u  C3 y; k' _/ ?

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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3 o8 |0 h& k- P* M9 }3 U) K軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  H; u+ H  h3 E3 X& d5 ?/ |In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; X4 v- M4 r. h7 U  Y$ e4 o7 D1 _3 ]* u

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他比孔明更偉大

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$ V$ G8 L' ^8 Y! P! V- q; j4 zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 t) Y; s4 ?( H5 m8 q

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......