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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 J8 |% z# {% j" E: i3 Z

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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* k9 Z8 `- N+ P) e3 I9 J其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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( {4 G. H6 P: L  Q6 s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->. o, V8 x, u( ^/ G
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維- Y3 }% E4 D* J6 ~9 ?

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1 I: o8 G# n  E: V, B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 ^6 i9 }) V/ l2 {

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  z* R. s$ M( a) ?  o, @1 o
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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' ^" X* p0 v5 P' ?$ r. {: g5 b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 ], P6 u. W1 C7 [4 Q8 S# A

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% m1 W/ [4 Z& j/ c5 D8 v5 m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......