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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) F6 y' u# Q5 R7 @9 f
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 K( Q& @- d% D

9 i8 |( \& ?9 Z' _9 ^but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 r! i; V8 k3 M4 @/ k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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8 i8 L$ R8 E* ~4 HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, T1 Z- X( f4 _" q# a
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why?
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: _" i3 u: w& o+ `$ [1 a. m其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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1 E. [3 S2 X! B3 L2 {see #22 Thus! A, C6 O" p$ M+ ?
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 W/ c- w4 q, E& H  O' p

# p9 P% @2 \  l軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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, Q* Q0 d$ {) @7 H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ t) J( Q/ F" N
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:! Y( U4 ]; ^' _# l1 T) g
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他比孔明更偉大

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% p6 X: [8 i! ?. D& DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) O+ N2 @; L/ r1 ?5 a  x
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8 h' V3 q# b/ O3 j1 r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 @) J; ]) Z* w. T, v3 U- _
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......