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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! Q4 ?; q( e3 N. h# t

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! d5 |" N/ b6 b9 Z

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" u' A' `+ G7 }4 Y+ {* S6 U
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4 k0 U- L, d' f2 N! ?) r4 GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( D9 A, s8 c0 R* U, P5 M! A- |
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus5 u( a# `& ?+ F4 h1 a

( U- j. p: @4 \1 l智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) E$ W9 c3 S. |! I7 b/ F
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.6 X: g( K& _+ d
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  |/ P' ?! C' _- `4 x) `1 m
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ \& w) K0 [5 R4 Q3 \
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& ?' {6 Q1 H6 `- S8 B
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% e' H4 d1 q6 [) CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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7 i& s2 t' _$ N. J. dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; Z5 h7 U8 @* c+ L8 B4 h

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......