151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# i$ U$ I" m' A8 w( u1 Y% }) @0 p
" p! }6 D" R, J$ O. c
' h4 c2 }( _- G* U, V1 f, D
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

4 D; H3 P' U$ A6 z, lbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, ~0 I, F- P, f- l  o. F- \  a. u

. n9 f, x- Q% o7 {+ mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

; d) V* W1 q+ l. E, R; ^4 E" g( n: u! i4 W7 t: d5 e  G
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) Q9 ?% E. a% m- o8 \

1 b9 X6 G' x! x$ _' j& T5 I[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
9 ~3 }" Q. U* ?" ^2 [
  n9 p3 J/ p$ h3 S2 E* `$ e8 ?7 [' K5 V, x' n
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

; ]' o8 `' R/ `, |0 V* ^) t& P5 o2 d' M  K3 ?4 h3 j8 R$ v4 J
why?
) Y) n  Y" o# N* `+ Q' A4 Y( j9 d9 X/ c+ V2 r2 x" n
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# g5 O. X7 q% u2 K1 J" n6 M" ]+ S

3 {/ r3 l$ q  o1 }0 ]4 v$ L" A% [2 m+ g, _5 Y; e
why?
4 R/ f  e; E5 w; b% H1 W- d3 i7 t
1 k6 \; |! t, s* }3 H+ w  a9 v: R) D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

9 L' G( h; L' x; f8 F
% D! T# m2 A" D4 e( }
see #22 Thus
) R6 [  j0 e  b& E: _  x3 H. b# K% P/ A8 }6 ~
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! ^' H* q& _& i* i$ b% E' q' F
! S. T  }4 f2 ~  p4 k
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維4 g" h8 z# R& e
9 F7 `6 `, w. p6 _' B! t2 w( j
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.+ M: ?; T' ~4 `  l6 D' W  }
# A# y" W# [+ H+ F1 I- Q
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ o1 I4 N( i/ H1 _5 V5 \. P5 b
6 _0 X- O$ F0 I2 u7 r2 [  _' [3 F
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  p( P  K3 ^4 i& ^% DIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

4 K) @) a# H1 U* O5 j- `+ F1 I" S% B
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:! p# m7 y6 A& Q

. r: O! J4 ~4 C" ^7 @; f1 a6 `2 b  ]3 ^) p& l7 x; N2 S
他比孔明更偉大

# B- U; ^9 d* b) g- w7 v

& B- p0 [& S/ Z6 RAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
' W6 Y9 t7 ^; ]! y9 h% \2 p9 ]2 n6 `0 {6 x/ X/ b

* K! f* n! p, EAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

( Z5 q3 l- z" Z% M9 F, x3 g* t4 Z; H9 `# m
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
: f; A; l" @7 n( c% B
' Q* j/ F3 X; Z$ V4 k9 O* ?* R( f* G- i/ G3 t& w# A
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

2 ?7 ~* j# ?' j$ n& L
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; b/ b# P4 D/ ]& B7 j
9 a- o( M& l. J# P
yes, that's the point.

) q* Y1 U( {. N0 N6 f8 L& t& v* I' K: p' J8 p6 o' x# K
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......