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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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! d" W/ y, ^" E- {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

/ n. I: Q$ e% ~: u. abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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3 R5 x: i3 Z2 Z+ I3 ]1 Y7 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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7 |% |" g4 H& D  Rsee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' d- P/ i. o- b+ p' q5 Y0 C3 k; X
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維4 t; |4 C" Z0 S# Q
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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" q+ y2 r4 X8 Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 q; O- M* \6 F9 U
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# Q8 \9 w- F, m- B8 g' k
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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" ^& Y* B3 G! P3 ^. gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* K! q# o# Y* P  T8 `

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- c8 [4 @- t( z. v, b, y- oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 J  f/ P) `  K* [  p, V* P
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3 c2 Z3 i9 L4 S. i% e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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