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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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' c8 k1 [: [' b/ c6 L7 ?' b4 w1 V: cbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) G8 z9 E( R4 Y" n  n  Y, [

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' g( B/ Q4 k$ F, @3 G" y
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( f& E: z! f* e: ]& x) lBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?! ~$ }) u8 u9 i, T9 b0 v% v5 [/ v  i

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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: T8 h1 J) P% o軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% [2 i/ I6 S$ K  }0 m% C4 Q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 @6 V  P. B8 u  D& P4 gIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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5 Q6 I) j& L. BAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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* K3 o$ {1 {# c9 d8 m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# ]' Q5 z6 k5 q2 Z1 C9 A: _1 r( b

4 @2 u! i* i# H/ r( L  F! t# zyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......