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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% j: m. \7 S" `* L' ]1 F& l9 i
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 V+ D$ m: W! m; y0 b

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: p: z/ ]; V( u' }
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why?
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% u% i' _  i/ p, `其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus& p0 Z5 e8 I: R  c3 |
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 r1 `; I+ k- u9 d
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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- U. o$ P, H- i3 H0 e. \打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( N) U, _+ x! r( {2 A) x8 r2 X3 ~

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( c( G; s. \2 N/ h7 O- m: [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:. w) j) d, A8 W& m4 p) b) `

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; `! Y6 N5 c9 V$ w) bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& q0 D& e. _  ~' `. }1 X

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6 |/ X' o& a" R8 M7 Y& ]" ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......