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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ m8 L0 N2 _. L# I; S
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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. D- r1 F* Z+ w% R& S6 rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:1 J3 q: U8 f% w$ f0 t
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3 {: H( T7 B, n  O. {$ NBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 s7 q% K) M9 @& K1 |# ~" U3 d1 J2 ?
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4 {$ S# F& ~& E4 ewhy?
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; N2 L/ @# ?+ ]) I) V9 E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->5 P) o3 {( W# M* x$ L7 x

: ^( }0 l2 ]2 `' @1 j4 B9 v7 p* }( p軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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1 a# |0 p+ x; t3 X% E( W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 h- D0 K1 H8 }+ g! c5 h8 A3 a0 e

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" s; T" O/ k3 o: w
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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7 V. B! U3 V; y. g0 T5 J0 q他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ S3 K4 t! v' r0 t

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* K8 F  U- ?3 {- o% L6 |- O

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- ?  k- v% k; ]  p. lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:9 `  y7 ^6 F6 |/ O4 ^# K9 r
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......