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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 c  a8 r+ o4 i, y- ]

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3 i" Q) l8 d, r* g智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 S, z, R3 S! }- ^
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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% I, \. u( Q: E% s( [  W( FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, ]2 B9 ~$ w1 F" ?! `% I% {

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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; B9 f" ~+ ~" V' A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維! s+ o5 X. C, D8 u0 H/ ?0 o9 R

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6 x; u4 y) N5 l4 N* a打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: ^0 G! `3 o  |. x/ E6 K3 Q9 j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:/ Z8 l' P: q0 V6 H1 t
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 l/ K) A9 N- A
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. G& P; a' G# A
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9 E9 s; m9 E3 T3 d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 ~: m- b+ _- M6 ~6 o% p

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