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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 U0 T$ O. [- l3 v& C+ n

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' w4 B) A( v" S/ N1 O3 `

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( Y2 a$ P; y0 N$ Z3 x- h

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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6 ^9 M( k' [( R6 U其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, I3 T0 W. {* m$ W7 w1 t; ]

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' X. d7 z7 Z1 }5 J0 i1 b

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details." v- @9 [* u+ A3 b& d; \
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 n+ V0 T/ h+ ]
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:3 p/ R5 d; _! q& m0 z- V3 Y8 T
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 v' y, @8 {0 n6 ]2 P; s

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/ u8 Z2 ?- Y2 f( }  j- o! gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. R$ P& Z2 H: X% l

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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" ~2 y' K0 o6 O$ ~yes, that's the point.

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