151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 {: p6 [/ Y5 I" k: F% P) }
/ H2 W& O& R4 s4 K
- d1 i7 t! q1 X9 J$ ]. H
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

3 n1 D, [5 i% n
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- T1 ]& F: i0 ^- T

& c6 E3 `$ r+ f' Y5 Wbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

! d+ r8 Y0 j8 M  Z7 q5 X0 w9 h( @- i: \* L, x& N* [* h! ^/ d( _
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
; C: `- z2 C& }% y7 x
% Q7 x1 k5 y# _" Y9 I$ s2 }[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
9 I" M2 w& H: T+ c' N
# Y# [4 t/ H, J: i, Z0 e9 [
( _+ C; {& l. [6 G! YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

. g5 L" z4 x' [, a. q+ m! Q
! k; e/ n$ t$ r$ L7 L# D- x
why?
8 |4 r6 d1 g! J8 D
  k; S8 ?' f( N1 V其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
! k1 x# F2 H+ \  z2 j( Z. ^; i' g7 Q4 V" f6 w

' [4 V4 I3 u$ w% Y  f2 [) B# Zwhy?
3 ?4 u5 {4 ~/ g1 ?; N! w1 l/ u$ R- o3 O: y0 U$ Y# F0 O/ R+ v
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

1 x# k9 F; v5 {5 f. W+ S1 d/ A4 |, ?. I/ Y# a. M
see #22 Thus
9 G6 U0 z1 J9 \' g4 T" f& m8 r3 Y! X
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->. Y/ y6 G7 M9 g5 I. g+ m0 P4 h

$ W7 @7 A: |; n軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
0 W- Z( r4 A' v9 t' J+ c3 h
2 |: e5 \* i  ]. @政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
: X" h' s( Y6 M# |" U5 X. M
/ V/ X* G1 z0 I. C( q, P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; l: o2 b% S8 r

6 t6 p4 x1 w! L[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 x% a& h$ L2 N) K* WIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

; p: V- v2 O! N" B) N) C( I

: x. U: c: J8 Y- l/ X' a他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 T4 z, N+ M  A" N  y  q
( p( O; d/ [' y  D) w5 @$ B/ T

# @, e- z. G0 o0 P5 e+ b& W他比孔明更偉大

: S8 _; ?) j8 N) C
! _8 D' X: R; ^; ?! sAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 o( t0 z4 f# p$ G+ Z5 j" p

( t$ C+ |) M3 R1 O1 g. ^
- G/ l$ y' F" gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

8 \) }9 W. O9 B& o! x. w
) s4 j3 ?: H* {+ u0 R# r- D2 ?
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
- _3 n. z8 o! u7 s6 H. Q. {
* V( ]( c9 d2 j1 Q; {" k9 j& e
. e" N" a+ J& z2 h3 S9 b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

! s% s7 W# [9 M- v& iyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 ?+ X1 H% R4 C( f

& b+ W9 b# P0 `! M9 E8 M) Iyes, that's the point.

. W5 |; A8 [) D' z4 ~! q' @" O3 Q4 Q3 j- u
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......