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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ [" f! L+ Y- z0 V# R% |6 U

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  j0 _1 V4 t: U; I8 l智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" O' p+ ?, B1 ~/ X; S/ Z7 u
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( r2 L" `; k6 d# \

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus& {+ e/ `" \/ I# L% e. d

' [0 {) |' F# @4 Z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維2 ~  H  A, t- n- s3 Y9 U' D& S9 K

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( _( Y1 B. A3 Z4 G3 J
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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2 k+ p  q: n# s0 ^/ a5 ?: H他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# d$ [/ w/ K. y) K$ @

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 R, M- x7 _+ B
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( M% ?( ?! j6 }5 m) i. s9 _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: P- o+ l% J8 A

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 T& ]: B5 j. w2 Q

! V* L; g5 E, a( Cyes, that's the point.

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