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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( y) E* n5 q7 n+ N: a
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.$ z3 T: a. J4 l/ B3 J

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! d6 l5 E. P; ]" o, p
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" _! K7 \0 l! l, K4 B  hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% e, ?2 d  x3 l8 X
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; p+ X  g7 c8 \& t% h6 ?& F5 t  O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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+ D) R7 W( W; S8 W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 k( c/ h+ Y) [8 |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:5 a9 d) J( G% |
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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$ w6 G5 }. q, Z. `/ a' z他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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% i3 ?# E5 k& S0 M: h" eAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# q/ I" \' M9 ^6 G3 B2 R0 D

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2 g  A! _4 Q& ?5 R( gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, U- x: W7 ?* y: C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......