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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 W8 |/ S. u! A+ Q' k7 e% j
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ S- |0 ~2 i! V, W4 D" g

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 J5 J/ [$ Y  [7 ?0 p
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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4 }' W: P2 z9 _5 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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, q3 _+ }+ Q; v: r9 p2 i智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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7 g. y! j( ?0 H5 J打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 L3 k8 I, U/ L: q# a6 [, k

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: C7 _- n/ o$ a6 GIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 Q7 N( P6 y0 A
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: \2 n! m' s& ?1 H9 P

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; D! m  S! w# l1 Q* U) o! s2 }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 U& @6 a9 }* R; j0 N9 d( c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) X& j' L4 O5 H- g, P) i

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......