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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( L; T, q  r# q+ \5 P6 G! \

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:0 H/ u+ L& j* j4 q

  A& t$ X4 f  {( ~/ i) [6 [but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 u% L: I1 [. c. f7 zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 |( X# U' F4 q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 v; `2 m0 Q# }( l" F2 H8 A# N
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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4 t& R1 g' s5 R5 b其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( u$ r+ I3 A7 {$ k! Z6 W

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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) W( ?0 _( T& W+ ]: W& _智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 |. T4 h- f$ W) f, y( l5 \; X
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ v. Q* w8 u+ @
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.& n* o; w3 M& R) E) v
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: b1 ~% D5 _+ O$ F) v3 }' ^In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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" }: n' \& w$ D: h5 ]7 VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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' Q4 N( p. M( h# g7 r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. U6 s; O, _* ~" i# X+ l5 s
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......