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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! b3 F3 X2 Q* l$ ?& V6 {
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 V# \; S: a) O2 _' @4 e5 g5 g

: M8 l5 A  h" |/ R1 s8 cbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' Q# ?4 T* u0 A
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/ m7 B4 S; d/ s9 t1 UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; Y" @* V. |; V5 _0 Q

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why?. I) U& m9 h4 j; y/ [

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see #22 Thus
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2 _% l) @2 `4 O& ~) A, L1 C( ]軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維! ?: X8 i4 ^! o! G5 s
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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0 u+ X& j/ z, J3 r3 P2 q( X打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* K) L3 [+ x' n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# \! m2 F% l1 x* F* M# E" x9 [7 h

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  L, V: Z1 i! l& _9 zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* ?1 P1 w, q4 g$ l7 }
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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3 @) v# `' K4 p9 e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......