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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 r3 u: ?; N. W0 O# N: u, Y# [2 P
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- D: w, l1 F" x1 M2 M" L$ S# }
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* d- ]& r4 I/ Z) c

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& k% U# l- l- o/ F( ?  Q+ W5 R* \5 GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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5 q  @" ^  C1 t其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! n: }7 H/ q. J$ {) l$ S/ k8 `- U

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 ]( j" t, Y' l  y0 X0 ^
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
7 O% @" V$ e2 x$ x4 m: a+ G; y. ]In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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/ ~) I2 ?! b6 C9 e- s2 K- k% dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ {! A) g& l# N  \/ E% b7 @
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+ `" S2 k# v/ b1 d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ w2 S* y; _9 u& m6 |
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yes, that's the point.

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