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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. \1 z6 _) ~# l" j( V  w1 v. O

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: k7 T8 l5 f0 A; I& x  j$ H7 N
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: v- E) e  C+ ?# |5 k$ d

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 R: \& i$ ~6 D9 F4 c3 {; E
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3 a7 a" T* l3 y* Q. l2 UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& C% O) x/ g( C% Q+ I9 F" R
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:/ m+ \; I5 t8 G; W
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ J% n% ^6 q$ A% q+ B" }0 P5 u
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. Z; P/ }0 H! n' W8 UAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% G$ k6 D" E. f8 B  Y" U0 x

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7 c2 `0 L8 j% i2 B/ b$ a/ NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 ?+ L2 }+ X% E! y
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:( o) C* |, V5 u8 Z, Z, }2 K% C1 s

3 P6 c" [0 b4 K5 x1 G3 _! |, }yes, that's the point.

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