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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:* ~( Y; l2 k1 U# S
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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8 |; c. n5 y7 `0 T) @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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6 s* {$ {: e  Z# I/ d8 YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: V% _* D8 A6 {9 Y
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see #22 Thus  z* u& ^' _3 N6 n9 E% E
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- H$ g* q8 ~. |$ _+ c( ^

6 R, V$ x# T/ q軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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" k: p, H; Q% l0 U, u0 }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 I# d& I+ l$ p% g1 D" ]$ CIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: P, A5 z5 @6 V/ c4 I9 i
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, V9 y% x- W. l3 V8 ^# O. nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......