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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  W- ~+ b1 v6 w0 }3 p1 i0 P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, x4 W. `  a# t, Q
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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# b9 ~% a: V) R# C6 |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- _0 E: h+ Z$ Y( N6 t

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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; \. ]# E' r8 U8 b# n! b* _2 ^" ?( i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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; b! d+ Q9 f8 d" `* \6 `1 a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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7 w4 q/ I5 w4 A& E1 G( I智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 m1 N  H/ w$ N) s( n& q- J

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. Y. l: c& [4 {3 ]% l# O打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:& V( U; S) ]7 J4 q) M2 F3 x
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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! U3 h$ U3 T( Q3 q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ k& w1 [: W" G( i4 w' |
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ [* U, H) N6 l4 e( |6 ~) p
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......