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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, T( [/ T6 u; |4 `9 t# O: B/ w2 S3 [
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 e' t4 e' R9 h$ B( U# Q
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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) @: O9 g/ w" S$ _4 C* W- l% SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 S- E& I2 S5 e3 v7 s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus5 }0 }. q$ ^4 S5 p  b# m5 l

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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, v4 f& k! u( q5 @4 G4 o+ U' v打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; o& U) b+ w/ d
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( v7 x8 n3 R( i9 }4 HIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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  r' _' z: x- DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  q+ J5 i: S  @7 |$ B& t7 L( {7 [
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 x! _( w# G+ d7 Z
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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