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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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, U3 @! W7 O- O4 |8 @9 @智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 f7 ~( G  I' o9 {5 K3 H
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 A4 _  M( T) nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.$ E7 l! |7 K, O! \, v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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. c  d! k1 |& ~% E; i- v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' p4 N- U$ s8 ]( ~4 O- E8 }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ Z9 P; j! z5 }

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: A( N/ F# [" B" V+ V* e. M  x. }1 X打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.* m7 ?* `( g, V* d) q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( t4 B% G9 I; L$ u, @In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 l; V5 ~, |1 W: C* O" C8 J9 H+ [* I
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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; W$ c8 E. X& rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 m1 h! C' n/ N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. j9 Y: \5 a# p5 a
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:: Y: A; f1 x; N- y6 l* w# C

- x% K& Y& b4 ?' s1 O4 v$ n( g8 jyes, that's the point.

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