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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( g. o( I( L: C! M1 g' F% |' B7 G

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 F9 B6 ^/ H% J7 X

; Z) O$ L  |7 m" x' w6 ~but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.# v/ \+ V' o% n4 Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 [) }/ t* N, I) J6 m
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.* V) R5 E& v" I
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. O. Z" o% ^5 ^In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ P3 ?4 a, w0 k9 v
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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% J7 P! I) W* D- I) Y5 Z# w( p) H7 ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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* Y( _* _8 n- f" j他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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8 ^) _' O7 N1 K: Q- i; u他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; D2 `5 d8 ~. z& o( x
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yes, that's the point.

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4 f; y8 l. a' u8 v陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......