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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; l6 Q0 V/ t! Q; H

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  y5 [  H" H, P1 P* [( x! D

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9 U/ y- Z* |0 W$ O$ n+ gBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# y: W% Q) f$ I6 {5 L0 x& x/ B

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; @4 M! F( ~: w5 w0 D1 J8 i; i

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! h4 i; r$ X% j6 ~

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. I, {5 }2 M/ }) X2 hIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 D* p: G) V& G) B' f/ _
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% \: `8 o7 L2 h0 j% E( Z

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0 A  z$ R# ^' ]$ X7 L$ c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ M0 i" M5 Q1 j: o. J

0 s. h# `- A" pyes, that's the point.

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