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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; ]* |. ]5 @4 `! k% Z
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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# }, @3 I: C! v/ V* ^- OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- U* Q2 R: P( O
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- }( T2 w7 h* q8 }5 I% g

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  r0 }. N) X; I4 j/ ~+ m" Q5 Z
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus/ d+ q: C) D* C9 v' y+ z

, \, c( s+ s( n! _, w2 J智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->2 _9 g* h4 r9 X  P$ Y$ R& |, O. H

7 ~' e& Q' B) z, @) _軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維7 s" s. Y6 n- P, `

: |) a9 l" k. B# V( N0 j6 N政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 Y- n: L9 R6 |6 b( k' T
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 J1 r$ ~, f7 [. Z( F
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ x' x! n, \/ I8 {8 {# `  h# OIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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/ d! a* t* J5 _4 {* O# rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) F% J& @3 P) B' R, x- [* X
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6 u5 k5 x$ p, _1 }5 b. f+ i. zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. t: z* [0 N; F0 r# y7 f6 C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:3 n0 f* ^' c! z; r/ B$ k& ?

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2 B  w6 c: W5 c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- U+ G& |/ \0 L: z) W

! ]' w( y" P# ^6 c2 O% Tyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......