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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:0 }- u6 O3 d. }( T' ^* |
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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; d7 q+ Y4 j9 }5 Z9 y1 T' MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- O$ J  `9 V& C9 _' I$ F4 V
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ @) n) ^9 w& k# ]9 i; M1 S

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># N* P+ w% c& G) J& N
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維. e, b6 c0 Y) ]5 t

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  l5 R9 a- R+ [; l; ?+ O1 w

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 d# @" X! \+ e8 A( E; hIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 _  \9 O) r1 w! C- ~1 }3 [/ ^
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/ V  X& ]# y4 V4 _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 u6 i: E, f) W: ]+ P6 g/ }+ d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 G  I  F) w1 ?- Z

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 x* N( t* W) P% p- D
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......