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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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# a  z+ O5 S/ i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 _  G9 d" }2 [  t1 m
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.2 ]( Y6 m9 e: H+ x/ i- q2 y( h( d
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 E, d8 r2 I( X

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:3 X9 ~# {( x6 A
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 S9 J: ^9 b, q$ [6 K% R1 I
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他比孔明更偉大

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6 h/ U. c! F$ |: LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' O7 O0 k& t' A6 ~. i# x
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9 O2 l, V' p; i& e* S1 y; ]# J) WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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# [8 O4 V, w3 _8 F5 p他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......