151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
6 ?' x) b3 V' _6 @' K
$ H5 ~- a+ n4 e8 Y7 e* a" Z
6 [9 G3 W  v: v  ^; v智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

4 a' m8 o  i- ]9 n' l  Dbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
+ t1 v' _6 f5 r) L6 k
' t/ W0 [( ^9 w; Y" `but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

% o! S. S0 J: m0 L
, j; N4 S4 `" ]$ D* xBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
! h1 z8 x+ m5 F6 U# ]! Q1 c
! e6 N$ B( b# T% q8 M/ O. Q[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
6 E, Z/ i3 Z/ z7 X* a
& _& F& B. G1 N( {0 x$ t* Z4 C% {8 N8 R3 A% X5 N' u
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

! d' q, t: {9 W& N
- q/ O3 T( w7 Q* n# I$ [. Dwhy?; \' N6 w2 @9 I; J- M" Q$ s

- E; C, Y3 e  `( j! c5 O8 }  l4 ]1 x6 S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- S# ]) l0 i' k. }2 E4 L5 M
2 n' g3 R' q2 R7 }
- X3 `& p  i/ D- Q9 W
why?
+ q' C4 r' }1 {4 ^+ H) n& m3 z# e* ]! V1 k  s3 `; f" E; S& z
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

. ^) H% v2 |: k; N
+ `! g" Q* r  Z5 A1 T5 q$ B( C9 d
see #22 Thus
' U. N1 t! }$ n5 L
' q& g1 H( y  h+ R9 [. Z& x智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->& P, j" [/ h" z  a
$ f$ }1 g7 K4 n# {8 v8 [* B+ Q& v# l
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
5 T' w3 B6 o6 o8 Q9 S% r& Z) Y9 z  f$ L
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
9 T% N& s% Y! C4 R9 O
/ t- a5 y3 p6 @; A7 E1 V" s; I打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
- t" ^: }9 q$ v' Z: ~3 q( R8 X' |' `% A- M
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:7 \! ?; \6 W; \/ y7 V1 M- L. U/ w1 I' Z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

& `5 D7 {" q3 [9 n

: I! Q" @+ d, O6 q$ ~他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
- A' A1 C* w' |4 F4 t! y" ]
2 M( P( q% Y/ f9 X& ]; I! `/ ^2 K) V  x1 @$ c5 T6 J$ H0 u8 l
他比孔明更偉大

5 {* W/ U. y8 @: W; a( o/ Z. t' h$ }
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
9 X$ Q! t% X7 L& C
1 z3 d8 _% b' `4 v' h* p4 W) o  C) S9 [% q2 e- `4 [+ w3 i3 t
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

1 @5 [3 X8 H7 w

* a; U5 N9 B) I' {/ y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:+ @# a+ q0 g- R2 e4 I

2 T. j$ s* N/ c3 u% G0 e4 _( c0 E+ G6 z; a% Z
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

0 K* B$ u! k4 _9 j  q; n' r: Gyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:) F- t& n$ [! [. Q
& ?3 p; A, @% l* t3 y
yes, that's the point.

' j3 `5 g1 ~, W
+ f! W; [9 F- Q' |/ ^8 H
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......