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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 E9 N' V: U3 k
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

# @7 [% g5 U, j$ p* [; Ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& c  _( \6 c+ q& v
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.2 w- z+ Q# P; I# B

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! C6 C2 [4 l, O5 c2 U' i

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 ~: q( ~% b3 m. o  Z其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( W$ f9 v. w" x7 n

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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2 t- l( m2 Q6 i- P/ W% Q) V軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' S# Q0 D& U" _0 \! a

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ L# |! K# a$ ?* v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:8 F  b3 S" K+ f1 D/ i
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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: }8 z0 s- I( Z# C8 P5 u0 C1 XAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: M2 L% a4 [8 q: j6 {5 w

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; K9 e1 e$ L# M# }4 K; O& R4 y7 oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. B3 ]/ J# \. `+ q! [7 D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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0 `6 w1 b6 g/ t$ q+ ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

2 d4 q6 K7 b8 T. lyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......