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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 H. n2 Q0 I) p  @6 H$ a- a5 zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 p6 t. X0 l: z# @5 c

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 ?& b6 l8 W" @! y5 }, rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) q7 F& f) s1 f; a

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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4 y1 f) K) n& q5 H5 e, j3 A政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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7 k% i+ {; u. M; R* }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 d6 J$ y1 r5 ^# fIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, h/ W8 i1 _$ B8 Z+ K8 q

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他比孔明更偉大

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% _5 y/ q2 ^; ~( ]; m# c" m5 cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 s( f# }" }* R" O1 g0 R

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 W" q! |% J! O7 F( s! g- B' n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 c+ `0 t; A+ Z3 l5 @$ C: Q

  i2 z6 U6 n# z  Hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......