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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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+ M; V% e4 b+ @: q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ \3 c8 r  y7 A% b
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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6 h$ J- s$ }9 q2 MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; h! D0 ]7 p$ w; v3 b1 u, i

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ f. m+ n% B* |, [0 p
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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/ h& _8 s2 v5 v. i0 |: C# }1 ^其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus* h) Z  ~5 W0 K3 V* ?( ^6 N

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& a3 ~* y9 r1 h% t6 _

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5 x+ |# @2 P) W- z2 L6 G打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 @' {4 _% u# ~# EIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% h# f# C$ P) k, h9 M4 A& r
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他比孔明更偉大

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* S' v# F- G( |6 L) M7 q% HAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ F7 Y/ X& T- X+ q2 D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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  ]* b- |- W" G( q7 g他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 _2 O, c4 k; {! j: S

3 m' H9 G8 H5 G+ ]( e, oyes, that's the point.

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