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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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6 _0 K0 A3 G  B) B5 i$ ?but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 K$ |) F) ]7 X. n

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 _1 k% Y0 k4 Q+ Q" L: k
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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7 l/ n: |4 O6 |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  i, r+ `. i- I+ ~* d% M: `3 m( V

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why?
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: a; U8 B  ]6 P+ I+ u* rsee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->  N$ v- S1 e. z' J8 a4 {. T: Z

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' H' a+ ^% {4 v0 P, H! S7 k( I打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 O0 o% U7 c& W
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( h$ ~& L9 N  v$ q6 M& H4 HIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& b" r0 l4 G# \- [
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他比孔明更偉大

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& P' C# T: ^, S4 SAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:2 S2 a% v& T  e& ?, v7 }& z. \
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* L% ?5 q- K; m$ E' I9 zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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1 {% K) g% @& b+ b8 a; R1 _$ u  a$ M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:9 V' `' j& Y. m# q
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yes, that's the point.

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1 v" r0 k7 A2 x! A) m7 ^' [陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......