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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) U$ k& z/ n) H6 L$ G% q( l
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:* j1 U' U5 i  i% Z6 D5 s
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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5 k8 D( ]3 }/ D- v# j$ XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 v0 S& O( \* V+ r: g, i
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:% E% [1 N7 Z5 z3 ^8 K  |) V) X: O* P

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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/ L& ^& l. R6 H其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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3 e: t& U, T1 {4 ^  G' i# M/ Msee #22 Thus: y9 C. K. T# `* \1 }/ w
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 j' D; m# m' [) b/ M8 A
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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( C* o' B% F! m. W政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.0 {7 o6 k# \) x; t; x5 ?& }

" N7 P% @6 h- U) }9 c打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 X) C( k0 o( V4 N  @9 ~+ \/ RIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) G, Q& X! U) W. l+ m, E5 q; _
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他比孔明更偉大

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% K. m3 e5 d+ EAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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