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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% N0 `+ v3 A( @3 L/ J% d' B, [$ Z
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 f& ?" D+ [( C3 X2 x) L
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- l4 v$ X( V+ u. `; o; n$ fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: x' T. b1 K; X5 d( `1 G

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; O9 h. {; q% q6 l+ C. JBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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4 Z+ y0 C2 b/ {其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; L+ _. p9 T) e9 R9 b$ Q6 n

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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: \9 A$ t5 H5 b* T3 ^! B' B軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維% a2 F# g/ m4 Y. x3 s7 e

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. q7 [! a' U$ B' P+ v; a打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! }( j7 k: j1 @2 t# z1 D- ]: Q4 \9 ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 L- Y- E: b- _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 X/ f6 {. e( w* c9 c+ o5 y# v

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他比孔明更偉大

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; s: c4 _( R5 F7 Q! M) O( ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 a% S! e& e  V8 P  I. T$ P
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( v* R( H1 ~( g1 A% ~  x; |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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, ^/ u- u$ }  N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. Z; Z3 X1 r* Q: w+ }

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 I/ \$ {+ H! w; W6 S) A! |
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yes, that's the point.

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