151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 h! M6 {* l9 [& Y" A, A" _
9 U1 A, O' Q9 O
- n& U) w; X1 `% V0 q4 e
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

3 M8 {0 g0 N& ]8 @/ [6 Tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
9 G- y, f$ t) G9 N
0 b( M7 l& z  M# G8 Dbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

- B* d- G7 Z- q% C1 }

6 e" ?" `/ q3 Q2 w9 t0 n* cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
) W. v+ M( m# _/ A# o
; y0 e3 u# A' @6 q% f* W0 C[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
( p1 K# G: @; ?! i3 V9 r) k4 U6 Y$ w1 L- f1 `5 \6 G

8 H0 _* S# g+ ?* J/ w1 K9 y& hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

6 c' v" I: x1 c; w
& e: j9 [5 a7 Swhy?0 ~  G( G+ ~5 A2 X' l
1 `! u. @% O, g1 D4 k- ]" m5 r
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
( Z% |' J- N3 a3 g2 R- |6 j$ B1 O# j7 c: c7 r

: [& E+ u* S6 rwhy?
* y% `# A/ N- d2 Y7 R5 H
2 |) L$ o/ h7 M: V6 O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

- |! L% t6 A+ N. F
; f( ~# r( k/ W' F" F' ?( r; z. e' fsee #22 Thus! f' y/ [7 {' t

3 {' M0 A8 Y5 {! A3 e& `智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
4 l0 I  _8 l. h( E  I) X' U* o0 F! x4 S5 `6 m
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
+ p: H; I* e( }; W, r
- E$ `- S- Q7 S# b  j政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.( t- _7 Y5 m: x1 m) F

: y4 j% {% q8 U) V/ y  t打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
8 C) Q2 z- E. L, R: M- g% e  j( `% B. w( i7 N3 e
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: w2 v- \& j; }% v  T2 ?) HIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

# T! A  U- {& ?% I7 G, G
/ N0 W, c3 Z) ~, ]6 P/ G
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 p: m5 n  k: w; S( U( C) D
5 R- P2 _# ^4 U8 A
% w, }, v9 t+ x6 i. m: |
他比孔明更偉大

# ]! e: {5 J& G9 V- o
  {& b/ u9 ^- i& N( m1 r9 @
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 D. A2 F" l$ a# e" X

7 y; Z( e. ]: _# F
; @0 d2 w* g9 g1 aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

4 d' R& ~% g2 o# l9 k! b( p& ~7 i- i
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 l" j. D0 p: }6 y; c
8 S9 A2 X  }; b& o3 f" y
$ _8 {6 O& D' z% e0 H
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

  L+ P# M4 t8 w$ ?' i
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
5 v, |% f' V- i' f, p& N8 t1 Z1 s2 x' l8 w
yes, that's the point.

9 Y( I. h& d0 b% w
' g1 I$ p& {- g; {. d) v' f6 u9 a
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......