151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; Q* H4 f5 A2 s# N  n

, _8 H/ c, T4 Q: V2 l0 _  d% h, q& @. {- o- A+ k' c" D
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

% X2 B' C# O* C' ~! ]5 T/ G
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
) U6 a8 R% @1 [5 q
* g( U. M8 q; Wbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

4 r5 M" |: `  f

4 H% A& w$ O& O7 o# ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.! D+ S% X$ Z) Y% |& D, J% u
( S6 y" d; h, c, W) h
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
, I, d2 u* O& w7 F5 g9 l: L, q3 m5 b& l2 ?- l8 p1 q8 {

5 |/ I; I0 s4 ?8 u# m# CBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

! D0 `& V6 Q' n0 E$ m3 q2 o7 `" g  @, T% s
why?
( Q( q! J7 D& H5 [; E& M1 I) D; P+ @4 M8 g/ u8 D! ?* C. i
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:7 C' K2 a2 X  ~) j3 |' n, G

8 `& _$ x9 V( Y  _9 g: G9 L* J/ r& C
why?
3 m, a! w7 Y6 O. `+ L) X4 s/ `
& y! V0 k) W/ ?" ~0 J2 X$ s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

# c2 N0 t: d) Y; N
4 p# m. h2 U( X* s2 Z5 t
see #22 Thus
8 v* C8 b/ z" a- Q! c* Z) Z) K$ m4 W  \& J8 t. _; E, i9 S
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
& {/ d1 ~! P# J% m7 Y0 C" h) Z- _: ]4 N2 o9 X1 ?" B
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
  B9 K8 D3 J3 E; w/ K! J. T; T) c8 E0 G9 f; H7 C
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.) _# d  }+ D0 N  L) a2 T

) O( c. o* j0 P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
* _$ \4 C  u3 Q9 U* x3 e8 o) ]! j: J9 F( U& l/ o
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:' p) [" H8 f4 T1 j0 ~
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

( \" ?( ^+ Z: h; U3 K
" T* d. h4 j1 a) x+ J8 i他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# J/ V- K" D% a/ k* ]5 e2 E: i  g
: a4 }: I1 [+ J  C9 g& i4 t

; i: ?& K8 z2 \" ?! m他比孔明更偉大

' y4 ?( m& m* T8 b. Y% d3 l4 l! X; Q. N- J2 Q' [
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 p& v8 |/ ~$ R9 W
# d6 b& g) n& O! `" q
- U4 O3 ]0 H! v0 f" N$ X* r9 g
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

1 R2 H9 p* h! ^% ^
2 x0 z8 s$ ~$ X! b$ {, y8 n
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:* X* t5 O/ p5 U( E8 Q, c

- y" g* @3 a( Z- ?1 p) V; C
6 I5 s, p% T, J1 }( ~! I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

/ ~/ ~/ f/ Z9 syes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 c! y0 L. _* L7 X" g% t

) z: v. u* x# {# i: N, N. oyes, that's the point.

6 B* T. R- ^0 O4 e! k5 Q6 B/ Y' u! G6 B$ N& _$ P5 Y
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......