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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 h9 N- d  P1 y( O& Y0 _% O  v6 Y

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" }, g6 r* v0 K2 B
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:% k, Y; O4 S! b& n

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:2 E. K" G/ j4 P1 i9 O& Z2 i

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0 `7 |' v8 ?0 t- C$ Cwhy?
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5 f1 x( v; {- z* F/ m# ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維: E7 ^7 \& }7 M0 R2 V: x# q

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- J! A! y4 p. h! q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# {; h: @5 J0 a
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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$ m8 w" z  a0 @他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 Z% ~1 h$ d* {% T3 o

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" T, e0 c' _4 n# P& m! Q他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: Q2 l2 O) n# Q

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9 q% r) ?, W7 A6 u- |+ X- g3 vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ M& z4 d* Z+ F# C2 d

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' A; k  Y% A7 U2 p3 |' D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# l. L/ ^. z- ^

$ P; p4 m4 }! U: kyes, that's the point.

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