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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" b  x, t. F" a) H% f8 D! Q

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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6 ~9 r' d: j+ F8 Bbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; ?4 P- n5 i8 w1 f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- b& c! [8 B4 T+ Y+ u7 P$ h7 t! S% C( ^
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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: g; d$ A$ H: k' ^$ u5 }" e其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ a3 ~0 i6 N6 `  Y

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$ O8 y7 f7 M5 T. I7 T智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* _$ b8 }2 ?, @# _) ]( V. H2 d

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1 ~& E% v% |! x  B- W# y6 N( s打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( j3 b$ Y% e: V, \2 h- _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) \# w' x: I! o# L- d) x
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4 Q( R8 J% {2 n( l" N( {& [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- M$ K% \$ Q  N" N3 [

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! s  e2 h6 |. n& Y5 X( u9 D+ r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......