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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 f" X# y' X. U9 J- m4 e  N, A

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ W$ w  T' w1 ]
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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# j) d- ^& n( D4 J; I. _# bBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 s$ K; x6 p5 l6 `

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* l4 Y8 q% x" y3 n& j5 U

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus/ ]9 u3 q0 z- m! q, R. C* t$ \$ P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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) h, p* |% {; K: \) K" [  ?9 y6 U5 c軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 P* \. t" d4 EIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 ~( V& V- k0 {5 ]- ?
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) y, |, i+ a! |8 U

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......