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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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4 S% K0 W- H/ E9 x  P5 ]. {5 n智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

9 h4 @( `  d) @: jbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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$ B* F% O3 G4 Y( F0 d! |& P) YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* A* p3 Y/ R  ?: g* \
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why?
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* ^+ m! Q# b4 c$ u$ W其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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2 @6 G! z8 R4 j; W6 Ksee #22 Thus4 O9 B2 Z3 K1 u! g  O, F3 o

3 W" U7 c& i( s+ s' E' D智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- y, [6 x! ]1 c4 n2 a; _

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% _; s+ C8 b2 A; S' N9 D9 j* U6 E( z
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.5 h# |, H3 e6 Z; Y+ {

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:' K/ [2 Z- O2 M" H* J
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:' M8 ^# _0 g0 J0 h2 y
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# v' `6 T* \0 @2 SAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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* y8 |3 Q1 C9 x1 s6 `2 P. B0 fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 B" e) I/ m' `% G3 A* m+ }
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7 A' I) C, x* B' S7 b  h# yyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 s' W. U) B# l9 P

7 b5 N6 D* y2 {2 T4 h6 j: w: Jyes, that's the point.

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