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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; c- b3 o7 t. C/ H: u

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 ]  {" k  o* H: s6 F4 ~% y
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/ q$ Q- j% K; f  r- x" m) D- rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:5 c, F% e; ?9 k' E) n" G% V9 P2 g

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% H4 j0 R& g1 |2 h0 jsee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->/ U$ t; f! D" H1 g- c: d' Q, N, X
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維" q7 B3 a: ~- K2 v5 A

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 n: G- P1 u8 r4 j7 W# `

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' |- M7 W$ E% v; y. [/ F* x: VIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# a5 x+ b  u! \0 D% m4 N" p
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他比孔明更偉大

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8 V( ~3 R. o8 i* o/ m7 aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! F, a# S' F9 H) e
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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& t' p& [- W) R9 T# t8 H4 M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......