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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) S& H# j; N% w5 W2 o9 Z  f
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 l; _5 `( w' @1 \4 W
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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, X& k; a+ Z0 n; i2 C6 f/ J7 u/ i  ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' I3 h) h, ?/ s9 I1 ~5 S' D
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. j8 i; W" ?% P3 x# f1 ^, iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:7 Q2 N3 n$ Q1 T

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see #22 Thus
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) _4 @' ], q( `( J& v& A, ]! l智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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) C0 E( W! g+ S4 i打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. W( e6 e/ b) f6 A. z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 Z0 f6 V  T; m. a! [) V2 `In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:* d; z' G6 N0 }4 D+ z& r
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:3 o6 g& ]3 k! H9 _: z

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$ f+ ]( E5 r6 P  [' |" m" nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- a! V* W" x1 D9 ?

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' g3 s& a- m6 v3 I! x8 F" R
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......