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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! a& p: E) ?" o# z! b

$ t' T6 d' Z. ?' h3 e: abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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0 _5 T5 @; g- j7 rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 o# Q5 C4 V! |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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0 r1 L! w# E( Z( K5 q' X9 E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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" A7 T) [! ~4 C3 L0 {0 m* y5 o4 `see #22 Thus
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) o) m, ^: r' }9 u* b智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* n3 Z# _( c- r9 g  \0 ^

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( z. K/ A! ~0 G$ j3 V9 A. {9 hIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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2 I: C9 X/ t! X5 f0 JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 L' |4 {& u" a: `0 g+ r) B0 G

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4 I" b" U" C' R' u$ y5 H  z8 ]Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% F# {, K: ^4 p% d6 ?4 X
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 U& L6 Z& c$ T1 H: G" d) A

( v, [1 X9 m% vyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......