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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. {, u4 L( B' _8 R( ]* k
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ }5 r4 N" z, M" ]3 o. Z" F3 O% I

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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' h) h* j: B# OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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- {% J1 h* w. {) s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ {( f) j) T% e* G, n8 j$ \' R
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why?" o/ u5 \2 S9 M- X1 x/ e

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維  w  C% v3 M$ c3 e& t. _
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 \3 A% f8 D$ n: D, K
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
! J# l, i* M' R$ QIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:( E0 y. l3 N1 e( d8 O) F

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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+ ~: w* E* ?* D% j% k他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% c* A4 w6 t0 S  l6 c( M
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......