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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" V& d3 H. F& n2 z  k5 |  j1 B

) G& ~. Z: w4 u, E3 }4 L7 ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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# z0 q: z7 t2 S3 z+ x! CBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:" r  v+ P3 |: T+ L! j! d, k
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) }4 D2 q0 _* \( U/ s/ y6 |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus* m2 ]* c4 ^, X

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.2 f, a* v3 y* u& t; C! i

! |& U. ?$ b* a0 I0 \打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 z! P! f3 s2 J( d: ~& B& D6 H* U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# M- H; c! d) D2 k0 i7 L, ~In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:" y) w, Z% E3 C/ w, Z. m

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他比孔明更偉大

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2 ]" D0 u7 \" x( T% A% k! oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ s+ }* j6 D4 O- q, c; x5 v8 _- I
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! W1 S* m# g$ `

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......