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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" a0 C  X+ g  S# G

2 }! D9 D* ]9 T6 i( v" X2 J/ ~but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 I# m, p6 e% Q* n4 {
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) _# G8 W& u6 M; G. `

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- F1 o0 X; c% aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 u3 {5 u: n6 T8 j8 V其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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5 z. A0 ^; t6 C4 U8 P其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->+ \6 V; L2 i% D. c% M: b+ _# i
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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% x, [% M8 C" ~& |! E8 ~) G打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:1 \6 A. Q+ \6 s! T
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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6 Q0 u$ r, X  _* R, q7 J0 dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" L& [$ ^, a" O7 @
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:1 I5 r. S& q& P/ H* g" T5 F2 M

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/ _' Q+ s  c' W: I; n' ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 t6 g7 H5 Z# Q1 e9 P. ~
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yes, that's the point.

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