151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
! h* G3 v' {1 [9 r3 l0 Z0 J6 p  u0 C' ~" o3 e- _  N
; h7 g' k6 f* ~
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

9 @1 s1 p. r  t3 p* q6 _$ u2 c( F0 M2 S, ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ F, a  E) O& |3 G" v* k

9 o. N. @1 a8 @but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

( H6 Q, }' b+ h+ p& b
2 E6 N6 b" J. D. K% E0 oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
! T& x, [0 `) {/ d( {# ^* `8 P: i1 z+ w6 S9 ~2 v( x# U5 S
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 Q' ~8 b; d" g& [3 f- ~/ u0 n

  T7 ~' s1 D8 S) X, |: e% Q2 R
7 h" W3 T/ ~. m- {2 QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

& S2 {, n7 \  Q, U
& l5 Y  O" H3 q7 X9 {why?
  u* A$ i0 g. }5 G3 g: M. z2 P- q
% t: N) f  ~1 ^) v- N$ X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
  D% V4 c: L& Z5 p4 [6 y/ o" f$ R1 N3 F6 j$ l1 J  |
( V  J5 }6 `8 v
why?
. |& h$ a9 ?2 T. C
  [6 L/ o& Z& U( m6 o- J- G' r其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

6 @8 R( T) ?4 H, M! P4 t& N" `# k5 [2 r: i
see #22 Thus4 u8 [) {7 P% T, _9 j5 t% \

1 O3 ~. O& L  u/ g( r; ^智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
& B$ `1 R1 A( a$ W: G
9 ?3 Z8 U& }9 d( @軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
- ^2 Q2 j$ x5 N: f; p1 Y
% c7 z$ `# D0 H7 n政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.) m% f; X# t) z5 C' J1 c6 b) ^
9 Y: I3 q' X" N. e- M: q9 y
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
8 L% `1 R' ^& C3 {: U7 r  l
+ M2 {8 k( Z* x1 [& X1 \[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( H' a2 L; E6 _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

, m- a) b( g( ?: ]2 \/ E8 O0 P
/ c5 T2 \5 C3 H$ P
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
! Q! r, y6 ^; M7 |; n! V
: m. L6 {  l8 m" H; q* n2 {
$ \, f) j, ~3 [他比孔明更偉大

3 H" y' z' O5 W" ]' k
# n" I3 g2 d' Y3 NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 F$ M( A0 d1 k$ K& V

! x7 |6 K  i: P+ J' r& Z7 w5 t/ E0 X3 t5 v3 k! N. B% |
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

( J' B1 z  E/ z9 U
& ^! j7 ]% a, \  G
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
4 ]1 L4 U) l' p1 I% v% e6 }% r# i9 U' @1 e4 B) y: i3 _5 U: X; J
6 R& k6 \) O% k$ R
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

: {2 C  q( K& a0 D- z$ {
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
: ~$ Q4 R# L; A: a
2 s* w; u9 S6 j# G/ n  p, S+ z& yyes, that's the point.

* E  i& L0 m) q8 V, g' H0 k1 D' j; y; k3 B3 f
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......