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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) |; y" o% D& X2 @# @

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) u: e! _+ O4 H6 v! H, G1 l
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$ T2 C' H! g' \! n% V  n6 H+ rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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4 U  e$ e* R( W8 \其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  v: X. j+ S; w$ H; G& j9 s: d
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0 K9 |7 Z/ p4 N5 Z: ]4 w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" o6 l; X& `9 M4 Z

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8 c; ?) Q+ w6 ]! g* O1 V打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ V# y2 o. V6 @5 K, S; K! LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 P/ D" F2 m* H

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 I( `; Q' N8 s- L& y5 z7 r% y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% C1 h/ i# _3 g/ `5 r; ^
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1 \+ u3 L, K9 w1 W0 A/ s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, c( W1 b* U7 F' Q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......