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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! e4 O5 W: L; n2 Z# O0 D

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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. ]8 ^3 r9 w# {but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) t: c9 Y; b( s* @+ aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* A" n" Z3 v5 z" E8 Z+ Z

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- S0 [. _; ?% Z( pBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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+ ~6 c7 p& L; J" B/ i6 d" u$ x其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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( m3 E, S: d% ^6 B/ l5 m1 r智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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% N4 R0 ]4 H: q, o8 m- A- X" h軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.2 S8 D  G1 X7 {/ g1 ?" \: J4 t

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  c- U+ p5 C. |3 S; E! v' v5 `4 L( i
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" m' E7 p5 H+ O, T; M

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+ T4 q3 D  ]  ]6 Q3 @" b3 fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ y0 v" N# J5 k他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ F3 A/ W/ D: _

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5 ?! o; \5 P' F- }他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ a7 L, I' |) ]# L: c3 ]3 O
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......