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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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! I+ L% H# G: B智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, }$ [, _6 b: D; m9 J) K
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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3 @' F# H( U# _其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. \! k  H0 s* V/ V. Y. J
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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& q9 {( S' s# x% G3 J8 s4 q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; {! N  c. v- O* \7 g" U

7 d4 o) Z: \. s' F9 c9 l軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ ~# R# o# \% {* b! d' R3 x0 B

) [) |/ Q& D- N4 R: p政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
7 {2 `- ?0 \& o# M$ V, l4 k7 r0 TIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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1 x0 k' K! I( ?0 a他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* d' Q" ~7 d8 S3 P

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7 [/ |% S( t4 }5 u1 Y: f1 i/ @% DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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( y( \" g7 S8 ~* D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 F+ g  Y: H) D+ e
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; K6 b+ S  t4 B( h1 r& ~. l; b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:* n. N0 V. |/ z) B2 l: ^8 _
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yes, that's the point.

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9 |5 Q3 c* r2 D# D# e" Z/ j陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......