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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 D, P4 e/ X9 I1 |# P( e/ y7 I
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( t4 c& R) n- ]/ o9 A, \. ?

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; q: q/ h! F5 J* ZBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( R. Z# Y# B* @9 ?
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ K+ u, h0 H6 t: k8 J- l- Z, _

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 w9 s. T* d" j# g! f* z+ r$ D
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see #22 Thus
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, t, D+ ~% J" x2 E' g* w2 u打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. s! o0 Y0 E8 s% w
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% m) F' U( h; Y* b. ~In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 T! T% B9 s$ O5 _
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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, {' [4 M# ]& V2 A1 p4 Y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:, S5 n5 h6 k% H% g6 T

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......