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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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, W. S0 [* a+ t3 R% mBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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  Y1 `+ G! |: `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 b; n  O) U! `7 Z5 s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ b" {7 h7 J9 Z; m; ]* W
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維" v# _+ H! k; D1 H# D

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# K8 J% o8 a+ h4 v- C打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# ~& V! R- v0 ]
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ O" N1 k5 T8 S3 [% T5 sIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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0 l6 e" b0 y/ L! Z7 ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; g0 n8 U( T  h) O. I* i- T; {

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0 `6 s) Z5 n9 P' P; [; `' d% VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 D$ k9 C4 |- M& X0 y, p
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yes, that's the point.

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( Q9 {+ z7 u2 M. {6 y0 B0 j陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......