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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 ^1 J+ f4 B- |* C& [" U6 Q

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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# _6 X$ X" Y8 b) o8 \. F4 W4 Tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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2 I6 X7 j' g6 S0 M$ Z+ \But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, G4 ~9 S' r5 z  H' ^

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# p; E! q5 A! p" k! cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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  l/ F; r- {9 Y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 Y- |0 R/ U4 H1 j* \

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see #22 Thus) d- O8 p# s1 U3 t; Y

: C) K+ z1 Y) H7 K智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 ]9 x) J6 }! `7 `* ]# m+ n

( C  e! o8 A% f) ~+ d; B4 m6 z. p軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維5 {3 G6 b* d  j- \2 h, S; G. ^  L0 a

* \. V+ @, ]7 q' g9 V& k& B政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.& J- b- L' z9 m8 b- s2 K$ S' R
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& n5 @! R$ e4 @% O2 r; o4 h* rIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ e$ t: }" L" ^* w, `
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/ ]2 i+ d0 ?) ]7 H" ^9 A. k  D2 j+ P; jAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  X+ I9 k1 `2 ~1 A  _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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5 @4 B# r) w& U9 b- X6 w- D' X& w( g他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 P2 q5 e3 v$ o1 [) @0 S
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yes, that's the point.

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; o  b; ]2 h7 g. |陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......