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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( L  G9 N. B/ G% c

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: W% |- z( V/ y, T. GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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3 t4 B+ |# a, [5 Q其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:& H. q: r$ i% }1 i
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus# A5 l, ~/ F: E) O3 C

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  f, \) U) q4 H- D$ Z0 q軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維: j% a4 a* B7 g& ~$ \

( s5 v# t. _/ P政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 t* A. ^! l( q: H
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& w8 u' U% ]& L1 m% z% w! y8 z" FIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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+ V0 ~( L! q4 u, R( U# x" Q( f* c  v他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ y+ f. U' }9 h4 f( {" f

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/ X' ]5 Y( `) }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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" M$ i. y+ |$ o5 w4 D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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: d6 z# [3 R& C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:: K3 u: x( C3 G; Z# j6 {4 ^3 i

/ j. S  W1 s% t$ ]9 Q2 c& fyes, that's the point.

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1 ]7 L/ D, u7 z4 ^- T% T$ L% ?陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......