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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 Z. ~# Q8 s6 [( I" W5 h( S, d# QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 D7 l5 n% _, t1 c" {4 S

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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7 G; o, n: `3 r0 C& o1 rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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: g2 @7 j$ W$ G9 f5 V( a- a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( n; o! f: w3 F' \. h
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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$ C; O: C* e1 E, ksee #22 Thus, T2 z1 F% m3 d
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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/ G: Q- J  o+ b; O, F' E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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+ q& I3 f7 h0 z8 E3 }, x打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ v3 U4 J1 u$ Q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" b1 W( T5 L8 m; N( oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 N4 H" p2 F, I  v6 I" f4 Q! \
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4 K0 d9 r- O- X7 F" r- T2 CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* M5 D3 }% {# U) k
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......