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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& V4 q8 U( T6 h4 R
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 }# p3 ?) j! k/ g
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: `3 h5 y9 Z: n. ~) ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: p& W* U. X! d! f* q" fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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% @5 J8 i" z  ]4 c0 r: `3 s& ]& h# Lsee #22 Thus
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6 Z5 v1 s. b; B8 m$ q" E" W% c智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% X/ [* e7 `( J2 o1 Z% K

  T# W0 p" V. v! A打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 F4 h9 t4 z3 e9 ~) f. K5 L

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
! N' o( y* v. f# Z( D! z) WIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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+ E0 n1 K& L; N5 R- O1 f4 P3 LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, J8 \! G' E' L& ^' A

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9 H7 ~0 ?, R- ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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0 \: _. R6 q4 Q0 k. \2 B他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 Y4 w' }1 s8 r0 J, B8 E& t

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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