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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 W& P+ L( ]- b! K6 U# {9 G

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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2 o7 n0 [5 i4 g: T+ E  P3 {But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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3 b8 ~7 H0 t; L8 ~+ {, m3 D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. P9 c' {' p+ b1 V
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( V8 {+ h# ^" ]7 Q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( G0 }' e$ e8 Z$ c- W7 K
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 @# Y, h  I8 ?8 g: Q
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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3 t) y+ b/ k/ [, }( bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 C, u0 a0 y. y% j/ m. p4 `$ L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- F" `% c3 c1 A# M$ U3 K

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......