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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# O4 c, I2 L8 C' i& O8 T

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( g, W6 x1 }4 c. N7 T$ O$ s3 Y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) J) O8 o- h3 z4 Z8 y5 Z

3 f' f, F' R4 k9 h% obut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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! C: l# T1 u% A: b1 C其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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7 N+ m* j8 }: z( G+ R8 X打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.$ I7 P2 k  t# y: q- z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) A2 \, s$ c. z. Q! ~9 vIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& D8 t  D3 i) ]. ~

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; r: T# H% q* q9 b; {  E6 x

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$ i& Y* F! b2 A9 z' GAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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% M6 y' E+ A7 c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 E9 B: f6 D3 `

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% z; N7 f; W1 T' U  N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 d( [9 Y. U- s2 U
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yes, that's the point.

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