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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ N+ c+ g( P8 r; l

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  q2 o7 }+ t' z/ OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 x4 D& }* I/ G) c

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. k8 @  J5 m  S9 jBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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  N) c: t4 I6 l% r9 G/ U2 h: A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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0 Z. q$ E' q9 K5 w智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->( _! T  o. N" U; H
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& L! R5 z9 h, ]- i

  A8 q9 D( a# l2 [+ y% R" R5 M8 \政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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6 G6 q! _( n$ l9 }, Z, u打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 {0 Q7 h3 {* T4 F- O' Z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# w  W1 I  K. U/ \; J/ a" `8 s
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( u  v5 F! R. j5 L$ ~! d  m* Z+ K% C

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他比孔明更偉大

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* J! C+ U- P% d; ~Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:3 c2 v- m2 f4 N! z" W. m( z$ X$ {
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ ^7 |4 o6 z/ U* c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 T9 s( [8 K' D% [
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  j& E0 T4 _7 m* R: j8 O8 j# b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

) ]% `3 Q8 P. C) ^# n1 k& zyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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$ Y' y# U5 }+ k+ H* }# }8 f* P; j: qyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......