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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( w( {) q  t# M* G* d% a

3 C, ]; t: S7 o0 R8 ~/ }' vbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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* I" t; Q. d- \" RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 V; u4 D5 K6 f2 r0 r2 D+ Z6 K* U( k

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; v' P' a# _3 x2 H! O5 k% p5 dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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. l7 t6 {) @# u0 Z) C7 X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' W9 ]1 J# v) B  y% H& P

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3 s, R5 T4 t% x6 l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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2 [; H$ x9 k0 \$ [. b: g4 i* a智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 W4 D! P( v! t0 e& b; Z

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.8 @* ~# G7 k6 y- |( z
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. {6 T  j+ G( S7 z/ C

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 `) W. O6 H) K5 }In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:+ o0 S- p2 v4 _- n0 \, @+ [
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 X5 a+ R# T* p& s1 N) L

6 W$ Z5 g4 [8 Cyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......