151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
9 m6 x: c0 z- p+ _& @( E/ V& n% ^% c% |/ }

) ]0 H% e4 j4 a# H: A! |智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

% t4 j- a3 a. `. x8 A
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; F* P& `- X& _- F) r
; X- X# U9 z" l. I8 t
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

9 a; T5 r" F2 P6 C6 e; C; x

( p: n  x& V- u& A+ wBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 K4 {" S9 _; `) V5 @
2 H$ E; c& i, ~
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! A  G7 K( d4 K" b- E+ g0 n4 m9 F' I

% n* N2 d/ P7 H% d2 ?( p) Y! e: C+ a$ E3 J6 e
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

  u6 [$ S+ P4 u/ v, U8 I

" U, ^3 U; B# u' J& h' T8 ~$ Mwhy?1 P# J9 y8 c& J5 Y2 i6 x
0 ]0 [; J  c! x. V8 a  Q5 }
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
* `. b! v9 v! T' T% O, z$ y' {; ]( {) v2 H' [9 v1 y0 D4 A" j
# Y1 {5 P8 t# g' L  F0 L
why?
5 J5 e& |3 v$ D& {; a3 Z0 v4 t
) h5 M, i" I: h# S. `$ T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

6 `2 w% y5 k) \- [" R1 I
, ~- J+ h; ~) g6 V" C9 }see #22 Thus; R$ u2 L2 q1 j8 o
& `% Y) ?  |3 u* U+ L; p
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; c7 o/ Y9 ~  b' C, z* T

/ x+ Z6 @  [" X軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
: T. q* S, C, o/ c4 [
2 N; _: D) Y3 }3 G/ F1 v政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
: [8 P" i7 w  ]& I! B; v& `
3 e" L2 j4 g# L0 P* V打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
0 i+ n/ [/ c. T0 D/ S
9 z* Y/ [+ }9 Y: S% H& z[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:3 g# s; {* K1 g# X+ o, Z7 a4 m- t( }* ?# [
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

  _8 ?9 w0 v" y- p' x' F

# z* S5 z- D( b$ @. [! q  s他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 x7 i% L* c! N0 C4 Q

: f5 Z5 F) [" X2 I
3 m2 A8 K. j% S( {% H- o他比孔明更偉大

5 I% I3 c, O0 z; z7 }, y6 s; K% e( m8 d6 S4 T' H
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 J$ z. Q( ?* V4 X0 V# ~, |

+ f* q0 u6 s& X1 ?/ n
! y* `: @& ~/ cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

9 f  q6 h& Q5 J& b* i  f, Y3 d+ T
  j, Y8 q9 H! H. _7 J
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
) [  A/ ]3 Q- k( w9 p& i
8 }7 y3 i$ N6 A4 `2 B$ ^6 G
% O2 j% a5 C7 J, w# ]% Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

9 _% {+ U6 I& |
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
3 W8 }4 D6 Y, e* _4 H
/ P: W: K* z( J- M3 yyes, that's the point.

/ ^! E! l' o3 [5 Y! G5 g5 z' q3 z1 W5 {& I' ?7 P. H
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......