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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 \  [" B0 q) a7 X; f4 w" b- c
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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5 a0 e3 z6 q- e$ H" A2 t  `! Fbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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, n$ f8 U2 e1 B5 I1 j. c* ABut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 h/ G) p1 J0 i2 r
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; A. W2 O5 }0 b2 s. M; w7 I" y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus! u) W2 z4 Q6 z4 @+ U3 ?9 N

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ n* \; B, V  T8 X% s/ t% D/ y
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.( ]) P$ T/ `! A4 G2 k2 N
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 K1 X* {7 n# @! A* z% T( d9 b
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- o2 }. _- s, S$ W
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- z1 i7 C( Q& g2 F

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他比孔明更偉大

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; ?# v2 p) m0 H" x; t5 m2 _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ ~) x$ a: Z; j

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! y4 V6 |. f+ }) i- H" b: }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 }8 _  P6 m+ m& l8 Y2 Q3 [
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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