151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
2 w' s2 K" o* A& e
: I% ^7 P" Y7 R( I: M  ~  I- ~
% T3 q1 M9 D& I5 O# n/ G智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ Q3 |8 m  g  a) W  h
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" e: }1 b# ?0 v7 _9 ]% N3 x5 G" _

. y; Y$ g$ g3 n: W8 dbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

3 x- k( j5 s  Q6 F, R5 x- z! S( A( F3 b) S' x* {5 S0 g
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
$ Q/ n. y4 u# H1 p3 H
0 S8 Z9 z4 B) ^' f, y0 G: e[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, Q6 C1 F% p. y/ {) q
5 @2 ^9 w3 \+ J( K

( C* G& s# A0 ]( a, y5 iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

) M# w' o  a2 h. g- b
, s6 U. b3 h+ h' dwhy?
1 S3 i* H5 T3 o9 u0 E& X& G
) n  c( p: e- |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
- o' g5 f% W/ m- B4 J; z+ n. I, _, q5 I9 o: M

, T- }) q1 Z* Bwhy?- U0 C5 o) I, q

" ~* v. m) [# k* W) ]) R: Y, ^/ A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

5 {) C1 l% J# O0 D- q' y5 `8 H4 F9 G1 `
see #22 Thus. e, b- [, w& r0 U3 M
8 C* i  M/ Q+ k  I0 Z2 I
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
6 r1 N  d4 m) Z5 v3 r" U, I: ~- M) b& b: p% e8 R3 M5 V
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
! v9 ?9 c* A1 _$ K; Q1 Y3 J% ?: X( d/ `5 j- n) x6 H
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 ]: ~( u) x, }: z8 Q
* D6 j# J; ^+ v# @/ y' p4 e$ m
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. p" P# o7 m. g$ `( w- r3 p3 k
$ z9 P; H1 J9 d+ h0 v" H
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* Q8 s+ X2 G! h- ~- Y3 I" p* l3 eIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

( H: \/ I7 V6 @( Q- F; p8 n, U
3 d. R; \! @7 K
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
1 `4 B; t* U: B2 i- c. a
* ?& J4 \  f" a  P2 e" `! W7 l8 L3 `3 t
他比孔明更偉大

) ?& o2 z) R: R5 Y3 }3 ^- a' _- ^4 X% R- A' Z* A1 g
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& \& c! m) x2 s
9 D: f: @+ L; i1 n

+ i/ Y5 o7 M' Y* x5 ]* Z3 oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

& S! n! ^/ K8 O4 R4 m
0 V6 R; e$ @" l2 S* f8 b- C" Y
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' W4 e8 t$ [1 u/ b) i& O6 m7 P3 m4 s

- r. a# n, R7 k7 j; Q2 B0 x/ K0 Q) o$ ~2 F) I# W
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

! M# E6 r7 R3 U: b, P' N) V
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 ?2 K8 V9 P7 H8 m$ e0 y" ~

* r9 I) u' _$ |' z8 w% byes, that's the point.

2 q$ U1 j5 R$ S! ^. h2 A" D" M+ M, [8 r: ~5 ?4 u6 ^
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......