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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 V7 }+ u: P- c; ^6 `6 \7 s* w

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ L- i8 |% J2 Ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! ^' O; k( Z+ U

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" C3 a' m' n% A5 Q$ }7 [4 l4 nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. d3 ]+ G& d" i" R1 A5 G
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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2 q$ x/ H% Z8 P, J  J' Y9 E7 C其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:& b7 M4 V) x4 d

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* g) p6 ]* t2 R5 v  g7 u# G" y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) K. |- Q$ K& m% Y2 j

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  f. j8 l3 f; _9 V

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
6 c  T" D7 H3 c1 lIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:. [% x% z3 [4 q3 h
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他比孔明更偉大

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6 K7 r; @& ?' v6 mAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# I' V+ e  z8 ]  R8 _: [+ L8 |

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9 }. V# s/ ~7 D1 ^( yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  x: L. k  p$ Q0 S- }他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

: ^1 U  G8 B) P8 M% O9 Wyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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