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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" Q3 a5 ~( _$ lWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& g) j) x+ m: R. S3 o
I was so confused.....
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) A- q7 g. W2 e1 a6 y; T- L講到尾都係賺錢; L8 W; P8 E( }9 G% ~3 f: k+ _( Y- A
so銀行可以不斷放款
! a( y. k+ v: g* q, G6 L! G: a美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 5 C) \& \- P1 {, q1 A. m9 ^0 o
>conduit: M& u3 s# P+ _! u7 x- Y8 s* J' D
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 g# @8 y! Y# S2 b& k" k, l
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,2 R4 T. n$ E2 P% J+ d% q3 J' P
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- k! y" |% Y! ^. S: Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; o8 v7 i$ \- o- n5 E1 |" w
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ N# E: b8 k# w" T/ z3 W) J
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  p9 v9 j, Z: J* M$ w2 t( l- W8 A
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- e* c  i. }# @normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / a4 j7 S  b1 D' h  p
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; o4 L) `' y: v' C: d, n; ?banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 s7 V. {& @. E) P

3 G& p" n/ W& c* P3 a, uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 m" L4 i+ O' g0 ^% X0 A
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- Y9 e5 b9 \2 G7 t% z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. X: s& ~3 w: b, _A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 t' B7 M! s2 P$ b4 K
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 e: _- d' ]) L2 X; n9 cbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& ?! a3 n4 f8 L) e0 Z& K4 w
Refer to last example,0 W0 F& n  s4 \, b
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 j+ v/ O' \( a' l0 O3 BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
+ P8 D/ t6 E* g$ ztherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( D6 D% ~7 h' A) t* mA->B->C->D->E" g5 T9 V+ F6 `+ _3 o5 S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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  Z6 X! H3 E) othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, t8 y) [+ Q- S$ h1 r- lin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 r8 j  E6 F* d; j0 d
it's the problem of the debt itself.
8 ~! P& C% O9 t8 O- Kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 k' P& E& }( L( i: e
小弟一直都唔明...3 y3 X( A; f0 H0 @/ c2 J
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- i* {* \" z7 C& |  F' `' y  b4 q
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敬請各師兄解答2 t/ }+ Y/ E/ @# {; Y
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Thanks
$ v! ^" j  j% q& E那些根本係 紙上財富  * r: [' v7 ~# C# N
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' {4 r+ p. k+ x1 Z8 e6 J) h

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產4 t9 a, L) L( x- b4 H3 w5 r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
* y6 ~$ {& x$ h; V; L* s於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! ?7 {& d9 c8 J, n
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 R2 D# R. X! [& ?2 y/ [扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,. z! _* U& I% Z- {* l. q( e
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
3 h# h7 c7 k9 }  T- q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法6 Z0 Y, T: b+ Z+ l4 G
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
# m: [- F5 l6 r& i但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺+ a2 `! y- Y& Z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 r& Q3 H% ^9 c, m+ n/ f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 l# X& K3 z7 K/ l% G: j. l所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . A5 K5 O8 p' W1 J/ ^( j
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* Q0 z% W$ Z( \9 E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 g* C# \7 p0 v! n0 F( y# w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 c& O7 |# u; [, z  }4 U
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 V9 S! M$ C) `
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 C/ _$ N/ O! S1 d9 o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 d  H  j9 o* B! \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 c) d- J+ f2 E+ s( Q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣* _0 C: \8 ~1 y, |9 ~
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; [: S( h  s6 x8 t3 v3 A! h* F
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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5 u2 [+ s( J7 K+ i3 R% j" d% g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 q2 O# ], J' u. B" X: O連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 u' K8 v3 H. v2 |1 K. M一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, C% F2 I/ l* x4 m  ]4 E! x編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, Q$ D4 ~- l! [/ C( `
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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. _+ q5 n/ ?& O) ^1 q; ^其實係...
/ y, g9 I8 K5 C8 k& H; ^8 D& c因為以前未生產, 先消費% s4 O: }; m- r* O2 p
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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