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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 T4 ]7 U; C# N8 sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???, C' Y. ~& d6 n
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 y6 G; b, G8 v7 r/ E0 Lso銀行可以不斷放款5 U9 m: d  [( J: x3 H
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 f/ n% g0 o$ n! fmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)% o: |, Z$ `3 B$ ^3 @$ M
>arranger
) w7 d% n1 f4 Q4 H* f5 t+ f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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; a, n- P& h* K/ E( G' |more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.8 U! R; L4 r, g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* E  M* b4 o4 ~# \' |in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# W1 V3 u8 N+ r, K  b* N
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  Y- b; n& _2 W, l* T% b# R
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, k8 P- b' K1 S9 H9 u
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ |3 c( _3 J% B6 Z1 w) ]; [
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # ]3 U  S( V6 N' }  n0 |: _" V
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 z9 _' ^0 R, u# d$ e) W

1 _0 S) A7 C+ uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# b0 ^5 c; m1 H4 t1 Yin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
) A/ Y) @* v( e! i5 G1 g( r+ sFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 p# h. v, @! p' A4 RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. g. I, F2 @2 d/ e! ^: R* a) {
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 m( U3 d4 \* m% O  _& U
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 X$ Q. [. U$ F( c& i  s. q

* h  o# q/ O. ?; C4 I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- i, d& n0 t) a# R$ F- q
Refer to last example,
4 h7 N, w6 ~5 `2 [) Pthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 g0 l: L' T8 g1 b: ]( V" uBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 `; g. F/ \$ c  [" ^% etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 X* y5 n/ K1 U; s, }2 \A->B->C->D->E
5 ^/ P  e! K( y. n; Tso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 J1 J% |  T  E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
# s6 B" ^& j3 e' e  S0 L& gin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  d- O  }; H8 w# b+ f' Bit's the problem of the debt itself.
) g! c" m0 o6 n" y& A: O3 Ithe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 X3 p! q" n8 G+ I' h2 U8 d) L
小弟一直都唔明...4 M% J2 M( b# ]; W

; h  p9 I, Z; c全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?4 i# k8 Z' z# j' j2 O. Z. M# L

$ I( l2 S' O% ^) ^; ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答7 q, H/ V. w3 r  ~: l$ X
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Thanks
" S" v, z: r: }% `: |: a3 k那些根本係 紙上財富  5 w3 u6 M; F2 t* J* ]
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
& ^' q6 \( ?" q4 C, Q& p6 {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
% q/ R" ~/ i( R2 i於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊  y. b* C  D- u8 @9 a
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 B0 l! V% S  Q* e" l扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 a- y3 z5 Y% p! e9 _+ I
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* t- b8 D0 }! |5 I- Y+ Q* A7 W前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 @' X5 V# l) n8 U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 W( d. ]8 }+ `: N% O1 h1 J但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
2 C) l, _& \% ?# M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
! _- X( g- ~+ s/ e咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 h) M2 G4 Y8 C4 A7 |所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, $ `# x! m( r- h
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / Y% v9 i3 S7 X- T! f& H2 s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 G, R0 ]  M/ d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ R) U; H7 v; z& G* {1 t; K0 l唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 H0 U! P7 o9 B7 E% B+ x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ l0 u, N9 S! Y! n# {
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  b4 Q- E7 _7 ]4 d咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 N6 `! |' O# I正係咁樣
; Y- K0 \. A% t0 V其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 p6 O# }, j/ I3 }; r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" e+ A0 |& F+ _5 r! C7 ]
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; `2 p: ~7 t/ O" z- X! G1 {, q. H連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 S' k6 t2 f' ], P0 @0 |
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ t* [% b1 m4 Q' I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; j+ V- a# p1 z咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' ^) ]; t* w8 i其實係...
4 l- N5 U6 m0 v' {; O, S6 h! P因為以前未生產, 先消費
. o% Z7 p, Y8 |  t* V% H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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