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標題: 【至hit加分討論第一炮】現今足球員休息是否足夠? [打印本頁]
作者: michael86    時間: 2005-6-21 09:25 PM     標題: 【至hit加分討論第一炮】現今足球員休息是否足夠?

洲際盃，歐洲國家盃，世界盃，世界盃外圍賽，圖圖盃，歐聯外圍賽，奧運
各球隊甚至o係開季之前作出亞洲之旅
作為職業足球員，經常要面對頻密既賽程，而且亦要進行球會既操練
唔少球員甚至成隊波都因為咁樣會o係季中至季尾既時候表現走樣，下滑
大家覺得現今既足球員o係球季後既休息足唔足夠?
如果取消一d可能無意義既比賽or遠征，會唔會令到其他重要既比賽質素提高?

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軒斯︰不介意沒假期 21 June, 2005 16:16 +0800

軒斯年中無休 (Getty Images)  
曼聯後防軒斯樂意在暑假仍然代表國家隊上陣，不介意沒有暑假。

軒斯現正在德國代表阿根廷參加洲際國家杯，而完成賽事後便要回曼聯報到。

在上一個暑假，軒斯便已經因為要效力國家隊和奧運隊而沒有休假。而在明年暑假，軒斯亦極可能要代表國家隊參與世界杯，因此，他這三年來並未真正休假。

「疲倦與否並不是問題。」軒斯說。

「我很喜歡踢足球。」

「我要是休息，便是退休之時。」

早前領隊費格遜便埋怨軒斯出席太多比賽，以致他未能趕及傷癒復出參與足總杯決賽。

好似軒斯咁，有可以連續3季無間段咁比賽，雖然係佢個人意願
但無疑長此下去甚至有可能影響佢o係06年世界盃既表現..

大家點睇?
歡迎大家一齊討論!
(希望大家積極回覆，見解獨到、口水多多既會員版主會加分 )

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-6-24 at 12:00 AM ]
作者: shaqkobe    時間: 2005-6-24 12:02 AM

正式推出。恭喜米尼。
無論大家為分、為表現……無任歡迎。
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-24 12:04 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-6-24 12:02 AM:
正式推出。恭喜米尼。
無論大家為分、為表現……無任歡迎。
係囉,恭喜晒^^"
作者: 亨九利    時間: 2005-6-24 12:16 AM

適當的休息對職業球員十分重要, 1) 適當的休息會令職業球員在來屆球季有一定的新鮮感;
2) 球員並非機器, 特別有舊患在身的球員更需要休息; 3)如聯賽完結後又要到別處踢表演賽甚麼的, 會令一部份球員對球會產生少許仇隙, 導致球員沒有歸屬感!!!
:cool::cool::cool:
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-24 12:20 AM

Originally posted by 亨九利 at 2005-6-24 12:16 AM:
適當的休息對職業球員十分...
同意第三點,所以球隊唔應該約太多隊伍踢友誼賽,一兩場已經夠
作者: arsenalhrs    時間: 2005-6-24 12:21 AM

但係有時埸埸出及而keep到狀態 , 好似林伯特感 , 但當然e d 係小數感勁既 ~

至於休息查實d 球星走去踢個d感既亞洲賽都唔會真係用足100% 功力ga la , 唔會用得幾多

體力 ga ja wo , 如果你話歇暑唔去踢下d友誼賽可能仲死 , so 我認為休息對現今d球員來講

應該是足夠的 .

p.s  有傷患同較為老既就緊係唔好踢感多eｄ賽事ｌａ
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-24 12:23 AM

Originally posted by arsenalhrs at 2005-6-24 12:21 AM:
但係有時埸埸出及而keep到狀態 , 好似...
但係友誼賽太多真係會令到球員覺得煩悶,不過如果當地有好d地方可以休息下就唔同講法~
作者: michael86    時間: 2005-6-24 12:24 AM

雖然話就話去亞洲o個d踢波唔會用100%
不過剩係去適應d時差同埋搭d長途機其實都幾辛苦...
作者: arsenalhrs    時間: 2005-6-24 12:33 AM

之前有報導話羅馬走左去同ｄ低下級球隊打左埸友誼賽　，　大炒對方，　我認為ｌｅｅ D 係好事　，　有冇人就唔講ｌａ　，但起碼我覺得會好過係屋企訓掛　．　一來可以ＫＥＥＰ住踢波　，　又唔用得任幾多力既　, 多Ｄ踢可以加強默契　，　休息既野唔可以冇　，　但係都唔可以太多　，　  否則會冇左對踢波個種熱誠．

亨９利兄話可以對新球季有新鮮感　，　但係新鮮過龍　，　無論對隊人之間個種默契仲有對足球多左種陌生既感覺始終唔係感好
作者: 藍    時間: 2005-6-24 12:34 AM

我覺得其實宜家d比賽係稍為頻左d,以前就話大賽年先特別忙,但係宜家就好似年年都有大野,上年summer係奧運,今年就洲際盃同外圍賽,下年就世界杯拉,球員都係人姐,始終都要有適當既休息
而且有長期踢波或者打籃球既一定知,其實一段時間落黎,一定有好多暗傷既,呢d一定要時間去等佢復原,其實如果d球員因為甘傷左,到頭黎個球會或者國家隊米仲蝕底
作者: 清揚    時間: 2005-6-24 06:01 PM

唉!!!休息呢樣野有咩足夠唔足夠架,你當FIT當旺既就自然越打越有跑極都唔勉,當黑冇態既就一步都唔想去走死氣沉沉咁架la,更主要既系睇球員本身既心理狀況.
作者: adamjacky123    時間: 2005-6-24 06:48 PM

I think rests is one of player's job,
if a player have no enough rest,
his foolball's life must be short,
for example Van Basten,
he always need to have match,
it make his injure can't be change,
so he retire when he was just not 30.

I think a player must have at lease 1 month rest in a season.
作者: michael86    時間: 2005-6-24 10:10 PM

Originally posted by adamjacky123 at 2005-6-24 06:48 PM:
I think rests is one of player's jo...
agree
我都覺得總要休息返一陣去回一回氣
作者: michael86    時間: 2005-6-25 10:15 PM

推一推先
作者: wanmankit    時間: 2005-6-25 11:13 PM

我覺得休息對球員係十分之重要既，
你地睇下一d中型班球隊(例如米堡)，
佢地一開季打得幾好，但係佢地d後備唔頂得場，
一隊正選11人場場咁博，
去到季中都跌晒watt，成綪下降啦。

我提議幾項可以比球員抖下既方法:
1.減少冇謂既杯賽，例如係洲際國家杯，d強隊係呢個杯都唔係出真功夫，留番黎打世杯仲好啦。
2.精簡比賽的制度，例如歐協冇啦啦去到32強(冇記錯的話)，要打分組賽，好冇聊，有時d球隊出左線唔博咁就減低左球賽可觀性，不如直接玩淘汰，場場好睇，又可以打小d，對球迷同員都好。(但係搵少左，老細就唔好-.-)
3.增加歇冬期，球員博左半季，應該抖番一零半個月，有好多聯賽都勉強做到。但英超好離譜，冬季抖得少仲要開快車，鐵人都變廢人啦。
以上係我既意見，請大家多多指點
作者: stone86    時間: 2005-6-26 10:50 AM

我也覺得休息對球員係十分之重要.
因為休息唔夠好容易受偒及厭戰.
現在除左聯賽,仲有好多杯賽.
暑假都應該比佢地休息下.
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-26 05:47 PM

Originally posted by 樂壇渣Fit人 at 2005-6-26 11:50 AM:
離一離題

無錯休息對每一個人黎講...
樂兄既意見好正~
+2
作者: wanmankit    時間: 2005-6-26 07:46 PM

睇完樂兄篇文，我又有d野想講下,
樂兄頭先係從球會利益方面入手，
咁其實都唔係錯，用左咁多錢買人
叫佢休息咪益左佢，的確係岩既~

但係其實球會收益唔單至係比賽門票，
仲有波杉之類既野，d出名球星波杉都好賣得，
賣波杉都可以補番唔少，咁都唔會蝕好多。
(除左好似皇馬借錢買人)

講番休息問題，我之前都話係重要既，
樂兄話貴價球員要付出多d，
但係唔好唔記得一隊波出黎係11個，
唔會11個都係咁貴話?
咁係要貴價球員踢多d，咁平d個d咪要踢埋一份，都好唔公平ja~
況且人工呢家野，係球會心甘情願同個球員簽，
佢冇信心搵番黎都唔會水魚任人'禁錢'話?

所以我認為貴價球員都係要休息
但係唔一定要由球會入手，可以係國家隊入手
洲際國家杯可免則免啦，
又唔好睇又令到d球員冇得抖
不如取消左，比d球員係歐聯個d打好波，
show番d身價波，
咁球會同球迷都會覺得值~
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-26 08:03 PM

Originally posted by wanmankit at 2005-6-26 07:46 PM:
睇完樂兄篇文，我又有d野想講下,
樂...
我諗洲際國家盃係想各大洲既冠軍打下,
得出一個次於世界盃冠軍的世界冠軍,所以洲際國家盃係世界盃既前哨戰~

講返正題~~~
我都同意你既講法,
如果一個冇料既球員比某球隊用好高價買返黎唔代表佢可以踢到相同價值既表現~~~
所以有d人諗住大球星就會永遠有好表現係錯的,球員始終係人,總要休息總會有唔掂既一日,
睇下你幾時退休既啫,如果係自己黃金期尾段退休就最好！！！
作者: wanmankit    時間: 2005-6-26 08:06 PM

我覺得當你為國家隊或者球會攞到最高榮譽，例如世杯同歐聯，同埋你自己能力開始下降(30歲開始)，就急流勇退，等大家留個好印象都好，駛時老左踢得衰，比人噓住退休，咁人地會記壞多過好~
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-26 08:08 PM

Originally posted by wanmankit at 2005-6-26 08:06 PM:
我覺得當你為國家隊或者球會攞到最高...
對~
免得踢踢下唔掂突然退休就唔好啦,
好似施丹咁,揀係06年退休其實都唔係咁好,
早兩年就應該退,不過如果下年皇馬攞到冠軍,施丹先退休的話人地就會對施丹有返個好印象
作者: 射手    時間: 2005-6-27 10:59 AM

我都覺得係一ｄd人姐...
軒斯由舊年暑假踢到休季
林伯特又係
不過林伯特得到佢成果啦
英超既足球先生
作者: michael86    時間: 2005-6-30 01:21 AM

推返上黎先~~
遲下會出第二炮，希望反應會更佳
作者: abc123aa    時間: 2005-6-30 02:29 AM

Originally posted by michael86 at 2005-6-30 01:21 AM:
推返上黎先~~
遲下會出第二炮，希望反應會更佳
出d多人討論既^^"
作者: wanmankit    時間: 2005-6-30 12:26 PM

好期待第二炮的來臨~又可以講下野^7^
作者: joycejo    時間: 2005-6-30 12:37 PM

其實賽程多就梗啦,邊度都係,有20隊既,打twice就一定係38場....辛苦就一定辛苦...
可以解決既方法我諗就係定期放假...好似12月聖誕呀...咁就幾好啦....
係就係辛苦,但係咁咪可以比多d後生仔上場囉....以新換老...係一個好方便
球員唔夠體力踢一季既...適當既休息都好,放個聖誕假,去下旅行,同屋企人一齊慶祝,係一個好好既充電機會...
另外d正選累,咪比d後生仔出黎玩下囉....好事黎架
所以我支持比球員放一個聖誕假
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-30 12:40 PM

but in England, they need to cancel one Cup....
that's why they can't have holidays in Christmas......

too many matches per season
作者: Gretzky    時間: 2005-6-30 01:01 PM

The problem with modern day football is the skyward direction of the player's salary and the TV broadcasting $ of the clubs. It is a chicken and egg dilemma. There is an invisible link between players' salary and TV broadcasting revenue. The problem rises when clubs need to have a certain amount of revenue to keep top players so they can complete in the highest level of competition. The benefit of course, is to get the share revenue from TV channels worldwide. That's why clubs in Wales would kill for an appearance in Champions' Leauge. Even just one match generates a lot of $ for small clubs.

I think this is why we have so many 'cup' games in domestic leagues nowadays. Players are now rated not just on their football skills but 'marketability' as well. Thanks to the David Beckham Effect, the trend has now spread to the club level. Players/Clubs has dollar signs on everything. To be honet, those --- tours for clubs are nothing but a marketing scheme. Increase fan base  results in increase TV $ and merchandise sales...it's all about money. Football is a product. The same can be said for baseball, American football, ice-hockey(of course!), basketball, tennis, rugby, table-tennis, and even volleyball.

There is no way the players will rest now....most pro athletics would actually enter a rigourous training schedule that fills with heavy weight lifting, aerobic and strength conditioning exercises. Personal trainers are hired in the off season and the players actually work even harders than during the season. That's why we have guys like Heinz who 'prefers' to play to stay in shape rather than taking breaks.

It's ultimately down to the choices: more money or more health...for both players and the club, and the ones who can balance the two better, the most likely they will win some silverware.
作者: wer    時間: 2005-6-30 01:25 PM

(貴價球員)當然不夠.三十多場的聯賽和十多場的歐聯、再加盃賽和表演場、還有熱身場.全季接近七十場當然不夠休息
解決方法
1.增加歇冬期,可讓球員得到更多休息
2.免除無聊賽事,如國家隊熱身賽等
作者: joycejo    時間: 2005-6-30 03:54 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-6-30 12:40 PM:
but in England, they need to cancel one Cup....
that's why they can't have holidays in Christmas......

too many matches per season
所以好多大型英超隊波都放棄聯賽杯
作者: F.king    時間: 2005-6-30 05:22 PM

I don't think they should cancel any games
just think about it, how many holidays do you have per year
most of us work six days per week
I am sure soccer players having more holidays than us

maybe someone can say that
"sport is different, that is very tired to play one game; in addition, soccer players almost pratice everyday!!"
but the truth is "soccer is not only a sport now, it is also a business!!!"
even thought I don't like that, but this is the truth

games is their job, how to find time to take rest that is also one of their jobs
especially the "expensive stars", they should make themselves to fit in every games
Everyday, lots of sport's news are about soccer players go to bar, drink, or party....
don't tell me they have no time to take rest, I think most of them play too much in their free time

If the soccer players(not expensive) are tired but the coach forces them to join the games, I am sure the coach having some problems
if the coach has no choice to switch the tired players, maybe he is unlucky or the club has some problems to pay for buying players
If the expensive players are always tired, I would suggest that players don't put their price too high; just let's their club to buy more players
If the players' prices are very high and look like out of control, I am sure that is society problem, which are clubs, supporters(us!!), and players' fault!!!!
作者: lookityourself    時間: 2005-7-1 08:28 AM

Originally posted by F.king at 2005-6-30 05:22 PM:
I don't think they should cancel an...
講得好丫,足球依家唔只係運動,係商業
佢地應該要盡量找時間去比自己休息,先唔會出現疲態

好似林柏特咁樣,有記者問過佢點解可以幾季都打足都咁好體力,佢話"我都係盡量找時間休息,只要唔需要練習或是比賽,我都會休息",當然佢都會有佢既野做,但若果每個球員都明白自己要在每季付出既體力有幾多而去休息,我諗一定冇咁多人話冇時間
that's their job,....good
作者: night    時間: 2005-7-2 01:06 AM

gd~!!!
作者: lookityourself    時間: 2005-7-2 09:47 AM

所以點去keep 狀態係佢地既決定.....

不過,球隊若放多d時間係練習營唔係去世界各地踢表演賽既話，對球員對球隊都一定好ｄ



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