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作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-25 12:46 AM 標題: 姚明重要定麥基迪重要?

姚明一缺陣麥基迪就冇晒火, 火箭重連輸兩場
但麥基迪缺陣姚明又獨力難支, 火箭連敗七場

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-25 12:47 AM

大家討論下究竟呢對西岸孖寶邊個重要d 啦
當年 o'neal + kobe, 好明顯 o'neal 重要好多, 因冇左 kobe, lakers 都會贏, 但冇左 o'neal lakers 就係咁輸多贏少, 高下立見

作者: Edison 時間: 2005-12-25 01:54 AM

But Kobe is a ball hawker and Yao ming is not strong as O'neal, Yao ming is too big,slow and too many turnover.T-mac is more effecient in assist scoring and even rebound!

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-25 02:00 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-25 12:47 AM:
大家討論下究竟呢對西岸孖寶邊個重要d...

e+一定KB重要d喎～

作者: cam_kwok86 時間: 2005-12-25 02:52 AM

T-mac could just simply take over a game and win it. but Yao's stamina is too low, he'll get tired extremely easy. Yao doesn't have the killer instinct, doesn't demand the ball enough. Because Yao doesn't have that arrogance, he'll never dominate like T-mac.

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-12-25 05:27 AM

T-mac for sure.....Yao is poor, I think only chinese people will think Yao is good.

作者: iguana 時間: 2005-12-25 06:18 AM

有些野不可分割既！
T-mac 之前係magic人腳吾好，輪到怕後才老是嚷著要離隊。
姚明又未試過獨力就能帶起隊波。
所以才有機會兩個人走在一起。
就如佐敦、柏賓，這兩人從未能夠分開時而贏到總冠軍。

作者: skjeiw 時間: 2005-12-25 08:00 AM

比喻就等於...左腳重要定右腳重要

作者: kakeidevil 時間: 2005-12-25 11:42 AM

T-mac

作者: abcde1918 時間: 2005-12-25 11:44 AM

麥基迪

作者: mkj 時間: 2005-12-25 12:01 PM

兩個同樣重要~
Like Jordan & Pippen~

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-25 12:06 PM

Originally posted by iguana at 2005-12-25 06:18:
有些野不可分割既！
T-mac 之前係mag...

10port。。

作者: wer 時間: 2005-12-25 04:03 PM

兩個一樣重要

作者: 我愛章小慧 時間: 2005-12-25 07:36 PM

姚明！
你地係唔係唔知，麥基迪係加盟火箭之前果年
試過連輸幾多場？

作者: 阿感 時間: 2005-12-25 07:43 PM

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2005-12-25 07:36 PM:
姚明！
你地係唔係唔知，麥基迪係加盟火箭之前果年
試過連輸幾多場？

唔知呀,咁麥基迪o係速龍同魔術果時係咪win好多場架?

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-25 08:02 PM

姚明和t-mac對火箭都好重要,
但比較起上黎, t-mac應該重要少少......
而家t-mac應該仲係帶傷上陣, 傷兵更多得很, 搞到要swift 打中鋒........
呢個時候rocket真係做唔到d乜野...........

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-25 08:36 PM

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2005-12-25 07:36 PM:
姚明！
你地係唔係唔知，麥基迪係加盟火箭之前果年
試過連輸幾多場？

19場，對嗎？

作者: 金魚佬 時間: 2005-12-25 10:48 PM

姚明重要d〔不過係對中國黎講；吾係隊波黎講〕。
籃球講整體，好似活塞咁，一班聯盟中吾係最頂級既，加起來就變成頂級啦！

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-25 11:40 PM

Originally posted by 金魚佬 at 2005-12-25 10:48 PM:
姚明重要d〔不過係對中國黎講；吾係隊波黎講〕。
籃球講整體，好似活塞咁，一班聯盟中吾係最頂級既，加起來就變成頂級啦！

活塞冇左比立斯同咸姆頓都仍然有強勁防守, 進攻亦可以靠夏姆同普林斯, 但冇左華萊士, 防守就弱左好多
本來火箭冇左姚明, 仲有莫湯保, 仲贏到波添, 但連莫湯保都冇埋, 竟然變成一隊弱旅

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 12:08 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-25 11:40 PM:

活塞冇左比立斯同咸姆頓都仍然有強...

夏姆是誰?唔係呢個-----

下話???
定係第2個

作者: yesiam 時間: 2005-12-26 12:17 AM

姚明啦, 中國咁大個市場, 搵真銀緊要D, 你估真係貪佢 '好' 波.

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 02:48 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 00:08:

夏姆是誰?唔係呢個-----下話???
定係第2個

無幾二個啦。得呢個之麻。。。。我發覺bigfish 兄既觀點真係幾特別。。佢對球員既評價都幾與眾不同。
個人認為一個大後備球員Ham得分有幾勁呢？？=.="仲有今年好似一場都無打過。。上年得分相信都唔高得去邊。。至於Prince無左其他球員助攻佢既進攻能力一定大減。坦白講，如果活塞無左Hamilton 、Billups 佢地D進攻一定唔會勁得去邊。。後場只靠Prince 同Ham?(俾我會講Arroyo 、Hunter……)一定頂唔住。

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 02:50 AM

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2005-12-25 19:36:
姚明！
你地係唔係唔知，麥基迪係加盟火箭之前果年
試過連輸幾多場？

當時既連敗同依家好似拉唔上D乜關係。。

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 02:53 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 02:48 AM:

無幾二個啦。得呢個之麻。。。。我...

我都覺得怪,呢條友我剩係知佢入樽勁,呢個職業生涯最高得14分,
罰球命中率5成唔夠ge 人,係進攻可以幫得幾多? 況且now佢都唔知去左邊lu~
piston 的得分泉源就係billups同Hamilton , 無左呢2個piston唔慌勁得去邊~

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:00 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 02:50 AM:

當時既連敗同依家好似拉唔上D乜關係。。

哦，樓主用連敗黎做比較嘛

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:02 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 02:53:

我都覺得怪,呢條友我剩係知佢入樽勁...

yup~成隊波只有佢地兩個係真正屬於自己搵到食既球員。Hamilton貴為隊中第一得分球員，搶分能力在全隊稱冠，今年既表現夠穩定，命中率高達5成。Billups更加係助攻同進攻節奏既控制上扮演極重要角色，要佢自己羅分都掂。。佢地兩個是但無一個活塞進攻能力已經大打折扣。唔好講話無晒兩個。。=.="

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:07 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:02 AM:

yup~成隊波只有佢地兩個係真正屬於...

細華唔係？

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:10 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:00:

哦，樓主用連敗黎做比較嘛

首先我講左我既立場先啦。我覺得T-mac同Yao係同樣重要，好難分輕重。
之後就講返:係無乜關係架。。樓主講既全部係今年火箭既成績。無論陣容、近況、球隊的成長、衰退都係接近既。但係講到魔術時代既T-mac就真係好遠。一來球隊既球員唔同，二來當時既T-mac難免還有點嫩，個人能力都係強，不過攜帶性同成熟度很嫩。

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 03:11 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:07 AM:

細華唔係？

覺得佢ge進攻欲望低左,可能戰術問題影響掛~
不過張丕德都講過佢愈來愈鐘意走出3分線等射3分,
變相令到佢係籃底威脅力減低~

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:11 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:07:

細華唔係？

拉舒可以叫做係有個人得分能力唔係真係好強。對住唔少西岸前鋒都好輸蝕。進攻板斧唔多，太著重中距離攻擊。命中率4成3，對大前鋒黎講都幾低。

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作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:15 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 02:48 AM:

無幾二個啦。得呢個之麻。。。。我...

我只係求其舉個例o者, 唔駛咁講野o既
我只係想話每隊波都會有某一兩位球員特別重要, 並唔係好似樓上o既仁兄咁講, 一隊波五個都一樣咁重要, 冇左邊個都唔得o者

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:18 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:11 AM:

拉舒可以叫做係有個人得分能力唔係...

球隊打法問題o者, 當年o係 blazer 有沙邦尼斯拉開對手中鋒出禁區, 佢咪打多d 內線囉, 依家 big ben 企死响籃底, 冇理由佢仲要入去博亂掛, 梗係多d 用中距離啦, 唔通叫 big ben 呢個射程有限o既球員企o係十四五呎度引開對手咩

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:19 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:15:

我只係求其舉個例o者, 唔駛咁講野o...

唔好意思呀。可能詞鋒尖銳左D。。。抱歉

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:20 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:00 AM:

哦，樓主用連敗黎做比較嘛

唔係用連敗黎比較
只係我發覺火箭o係其中一人缺陣o既情況下由中上游球隊變成弱旅, 所以想為姚明平反o者, 因為先o個排個個都話 t-mac 一復出火箭就重上軌道, 可見麥基迪比姚明重要云云

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:21 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:18 AM:

球隊打法問題o者, 當年o係 blazer ...

沙邦尼斯，歐中代表人物......十分懷念～

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:24 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:18:

球隊打法問題o者, 當年o係 blazer ...

有你既道理。。。不過拉舒走到去射三分(佔佢自己攻勢差唔多四成)，我林都唔駛出得咁緊要呀！同埋Big Ben咁少做進攻，其實拉舒打入D都仲得。活塞又唔係無外圍射手。佢埋佢D三分，多數都係由內線拋返出去俾佢射(同Prince)要等人餵。

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:26 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:20:

唔係用連敗黎比較
只係我發覺火箭o...

我一直都覺得T-mac被看得太重了。。相信依家無左Yao，佢有排捱。。好快D人就會知，火箭無左佢地是但一個都唔可以稱得上係有能力入Playoff既球隊。

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:29 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:24 AM:

有你既道理。。。不過拉舒走到去射...

因為活塞比較多用 pick & roll 戰術, 通常 rasheed 擋開 mark 咸姆頓o既球員制造 open-look 俾佢, 所以佢企得比較出, 如果 hamilton 引到夾擊, rasheed o係三分線附近就有好o既起手機會

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:31 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:21 AM:

沙邦尼斯，歐中代表人物......十分懷念～

依家o既伊古都好強丫, 甚至強過姚明添

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:31 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:29:

因為活塞比較多用 pick & roll ...

原來係咁。。。唔怪得知佢既三分名中率咁高，仲高過overall命中率。但係亦都證明左佢都有被人餵既需要。

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 03:32 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:24 AM:

有你既道理。。。不過拉舒走到去射...

我都覺sheed應該打多d內線,活塞入面係內線最有威脅力ge人就係sheed,
佢絕對有本錢有內線,唔應該成日走出去射3分~
出面就等billups 同 Hamilton 搞掂吧~

(不過諗番轉頭,piston真係無乜邊個係3分線有威脅,呢個真係矛盾所在~)

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:32 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:31:

依家o既伊古都好強丫, 甚至強過姚明添

大Z進攻就勁。防守就超唔掂。。。。補位太慢啦！

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:34 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 03:32 AM:

我都覺sheed應該打多d內線,活塞入面...

三分得 billups 同佢 ja wor
hamilton 係一個唔射三分o既米拿 only

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:35 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 03:32:

我都覺sheed應該打多d內線,活塞入面...

除左拉舒之外，Billups已經算最好。。。。再其次會係Hamilton，今年命中率幾高，不過起手唔多都係中距離多。

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:35 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:32 AM:

大Z進攻就勁。防守就超唔掂。。。。補位太慢啦！

yao's 防守唔見得好丫, 成日俾對方d 後衛o係佢身後上籃

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 03:36 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:34 AM:

三分得 billups 同佢 ja wor
hamilton 係一個唔射三分o既米拿 only

所以呢個真係矛盾所在......
但俾你揀,你會揀打內線ge sheed定係射3分ge sheed?

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:40 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:35:

yao's 防守唔見得好丫, 成日俾對方d 後衛o係佢身後上籃

都好過大Z。。至少跳得起，大Z已經係跳唔起果種。。。籃板又差。。。
Yao同佢比真係海軍鬥水兵。不過Yao有度好就係後生過佢。仲有進步空間，大Z已經盡左架啦。

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:41 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 03:36 AM:

所以呢個真係矛盾所在......
但俾你揀,你會揀打內線ge sheed定係射3分ge sheed?

if 你係桑達斯, 你會要一隊肯定有默契o既 pistons 定一隊未知發揮如何o既 pistons 呢?

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:44 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:31 AM:

依家o既伊古都好強丫, 甚至強過姚明添

無得睇，所以唔清楚......
但佢打法唔歐唔式？

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:45 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:40 AM:

都好過大Z。。至少跳得起，大Z已經...

今年 espn 成日播騎士, 好多時都係馬修爾同古頓甚至占士負責搶籃板, z 就頂位, 但當佢一個人同其他人搶o既時侯, 佢好幾次都好瀟灑咁單手立落黎, 但係次數真係唔多

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 03:46 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:41 AM:

if 你係桑達斯, 你會要一隊肯定有默契o既 pistons 定一隊未知發揮如何o既 pistons 呢?

唔明.........

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:47 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:44:

無得睇，所以唔清楚......
但佢打法唔歐唔式？

都係典型既歐陸式打法。背向進攻柔到不得了。中距離又射得下。

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作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:47 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:44 AM:

無得睇，所以唔清楚......
但佢打法唔歐唔式？

除左冇乜射三分, 同埋助攻少d之外, 佢 d drap steps 同中距離都唔錯, 又夠硬淨, 似係兩者之間

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 03:48 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 03:46:

唔明.........

我林佢既意識係。唔變好過變。。即拉舒繼續現在打法。

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:49 AM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 03:46 AM:

唔明.........

如果 rasheed 變返打內線o既 rasheed, 可能破壞 pistons o既化學作用, 要重新適應, 成績可能冇依家咁好

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 03:50 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:48 AM:

我林佢既意識係。唔變好過變。。即拉舒繼續現在打法。

其實上年sheed 3分球起手次數唔多,
變ge係今季啫,sheed未試過平均起手咁多3分,不過效果都唔錯~

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:51 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:47 AM:

都係典型既歐陸式打法。背向進攻柔到不得了。中距離又射得下。

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-12-26 at 03:48 AM ]

sorry，我以為佢講Jazz果個....

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-26 03:54 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 03:51 AM:

sorry，我以為佢講Jazz果個....

okur??
呢個6呎11吋o既中鋒d 三分都幾得, 封波又好, 可惜 jazz 外線麻麻

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 03:58 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:54 AM:

okur??
呢個6呎11吋o既中鋒d 三分都幾得, 封波又好, 可惜 jazz 外線麻麻

係ar，大Z我邊會唔識，係唔太識佢...

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 04:02 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-26 03:54:

okur??
呢個6呎11吋o既中鋒d 三分都幾得, 封波又好, 可惜 jazz 外線麻麻

今年佢既表現真係幾得。。季初無左AK47既時候，佢一人擔大旗表現都唔差，完全交到功課。。。可是正如你所講，外線甚至可以話係其他綠葉球員真係唔多掂。。個叛徒Boozer 真係令人笑爆，睇個勢有排都打唔到。。。

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-26 04:06 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 04:02 AM:

今年佢既表現真係幾得。。季初無左A...

叛徒？SK太激la，商業社會，自由轉會嘛～

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 04:37 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-26 04:06:

叛徒？SK太激la，商業社會，自由轉會嘛～

自由轉會？？？你唔明白內情了。。
以前係我之前既言論，廢時再打一次，所以重貼返出黎。。

佢原本係騎士選秀係第二圈度選返黎既。者係羅底橙果種。不過騎士睇起佢，俾佢打正選，咁之後又打得幾好喎。到左第二年係騎士度愈打愈好。咁騎士就林住以佢加JAMES為重建基石見同佢得返一年合約。所以同佢提前傾續約啦。
Boozer就同球隊口頭承諾:「如果唔要最後果年既新秀低薪約，到球員交易開始時就會立即同球會簽約。個價好似係4000萬6年。」咁騎士就信佢，放棄左新秀期既第三年約(最後一年任球隊簽定唔簽，簽既話Boozer就要受多年低薪得幾十萬)咁騎士就見佢真係勁，咁就決定唔要佢果年平約，同佢簽長約(即6年4000萬)。放棄左最後一年平約啦。
點知爵士隊暗地向BOOZER開出千萬年薪既約去吸引佢，呢個反骨仔就一口答應，呢個消息係球員交易日先公開，就咁去左爵士。

作者: 我愛章小慧 時間: 2005-12-26 11:11 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:10 AM:

首先我講左我既立場先啦。我覺得T-m...

攜帶性？咩o黎架，領導力？
領導力.....伊家T-MAC有咩？

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-26 02:33 PM

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2005-12-26 11:11:

攜帶性？咩o黎架，領導力？
領導力.....伊家T-MAC有咩？

領導力依家都無乜不過總比當時已經強了。

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-26 10:05 PM

t-mac 防守著重左 "合作"d
進攻多左配合唔會好似kobe狂起手唔理係咪wide open shot
多左互傳進攻較為老練,適合慢攻風格
都算成熟啦領導力,睇佢個樣就真係有少少勉強...

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-26 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-26 10:05 PM:
t-mac 防守著重左 "合作"d
...

kobe d 起手難度又真係高左d ge.........
不過t-mac ge起手都無乜wide open shot ga bo,
畢竟以t-mac, kobe呢d得分高手都係俾人mark死ge目標,
無乜機會wide open.............

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 02:54 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-26 11:53 PM:

kobe d 起手難度又真係高左d ge.......

起碼無kobe咁夾硬黎
亂咁中距離以為自己係jordan第二代咁

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 02:54 PM:

起碼無kobe咁夾硬黎
亂咁中距離以為自己係jordan第二代咁

SO我都話kobe的起手難度高左d,
t-mac通常都係借個pick 急停跳射or帶波過半場後突然間急停3分,
不過,近3年的命中率都係kobe高少少wo,
因此我覺得問題不大,至緊要係入到同埋唔好搶晒d波黎射就得~

作者: 金魚佬 時間: 2005-12-30 01:12 AM

最近姚明無出幾場，就只贏過一場，輸幾場。重邊有話邊個重要d。
nba如果以後衛為最主力，而可以槓起隊波入決賽既，只有ai艾佛遜。穿起成隊波入決賽就神奇小子列特。麥基迪暫時重只係表現到佢既得分能力。

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-30 01:30 AM

Originally posted by 金魚佬 at 2005-12-30 01:12 AM:
最近姚明無出幾場，就只贏過一場，輸...

傑特o既級數好難同 t-mac, kobe, ai 佢地相比喎, 佢入決賽o個年都有兩個出色前鋒拍擋, 之前打太陽同小牛都只係表現到助攻, 但球隊成績都係麻麻

作者: 金魚佬 時間: 2005-12-30 01:39 AM

我就prefer傑特多個t-mac。
〔佢入決賽o個年都有兩個出色前鋒拍擋〕反過來講係傑特未到前，佢地兩個又係吾係好叻，可以下下入決賽先。網隊既中鋒呢，又係弱到暈。所以我講既係〔穿〕起成隊波。

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-30 01:41 AM

其實今季初t-mac傷嗰陣,
火箭好似無咁多傷兵ga wo,
but now 火箭真係好多傷兵.....

anyway,戰績巳經證明左火箭孖寶無左邊個都唔得..............

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-30 02:43 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-30 01:30:

傑特o既級數好難同 t-mac, kobe, ai 佢地相比喎, 佢入決賽o個年都有兩個出色前鋒拍擋, 之前打太陽同小牛都只係表現到助攻, 但球隊成績都係麻麻

唔係kidd既級數唔可以同佢比。而係根本上無得比。我指無得比既唔係佢地既技術，而係位置上既唔同，根本上唔可以作比較。情況就係同你唔會搵TD、KG去同KB、T-mac佢地去比較一樣。

作者: 金魚佬 時間: 2005-12-30 03:08 AM

係幫助球隊既〔成績〕上突破，重要打到入決賽，可以比較下重要定吾重要囉。

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-30 03:20 AM

Originally posted by 金魚佬 at 2005-12-30 03:08:
係幫助球隊既〔成績〕上突破，重要打到入決賽，可以比較下重要定吾重要囉。

其實一隊球隊要成績有突破都要有本來既潛力先得既。。

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-30 08:42 AM

e+連輸4場....
快d追平7場紀錄la~

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-30 01:51 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-30 08:42:
e+連輸4場....
快d追平7場紀錄la~

只要輸埋聽日主場對勇士。。咁就好可能輸夠7場=.="

作者: 金魚佬 時間: 2005-12-30 09:52 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-30 03:20 AM:

其實一隊球隊要成績有突破都要有本來既潛力先得既。。

我心中既級數，吾應該只係係得分能力或者鏡頭前表現既彈跳力。好似ny馬貝利，自稱第一控位，佢加盟邊隊，邊隊都無好成績。
除了傑特。快艇卡素爾的個人數據，都係不算星級人物，但佢加盟邊隊，都會有好成績〔火箭兩次總冠，我好鐘意既狼王木狼隊，從未進身季後賽第二圈，變西岸第二。去年快艇37勝45負，今年又有段時間全西岸排第二。〕所以級數球員並不是單以得分就話係有級數球員，還有好多無在統計的實用效益，要幫到隊波有好成績，這才更顯級數。

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作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-30 10:30 PM

Originally posted by 金魚佬 at 2005-12-30 09:52 PM:
我心中既級數，吾應該只係係得...

好似二哥咁，數據都唔特出~

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-31 12:41 AM

Originally posted by 金魚佬 at 2005-12-30 09:52 PM:

我心中既級數，吾應該只係係得...

呢d 全部都係控衛喎...雖然o'neal 加盟 haet, duncan 加盟 spurs 有同樣效果
以往 t-mac 打魔術同速龍都做過控衛, 如果佢重操故業會唔會有改變呢?

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-31 10:45 AM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-31 00:41:

呢d 全部都係控衛喎...雖然o'neal 加盟 haet, duncan 加盟 spurs 有同樣效果
以往 t-mac 打魔術同速龍都做過控衛, 如果佢重操故業會唔會有改變呢?

我寧願佢做返依家既小前鋒/得分後衛。無可能埋沒佢晒搶分能力，因為火箭可以搶分既人已經唔多。。

作者: nikinikiniki 時間: 2006-1-2 03:09 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-26 03:11 AM:

拉舒可以叫做係有個人得分能力唔係...

我唔係咁應同呀..Rasheed 之前的打法好勁爆的，禁區到3分線都有得分能力，
防守強，次次對Duncun，duncun d得分一係好低，
仲記得佢timeout o個時"星"左沙邦尼斯一巴，真係好爆下，
轉左去detriot之後，佢將得分責任都放比其他人，少d得分，大局為重，
同上年Detriot同indiana打大交佢冇出手..就知佢收哂火。
所以感覺上佢差左，但係Rasheed的得分能力一定唔弱...

作者: bigfish 時間: 2006-1-2 03:12 AM

Originally posted by nikinikiniki at 2006-1-2 03:09 AM:

我唔係咁應同呀..Rasheed 之前...

執到啦佢, 本來冇 rasheed, detroit 都係一隊勁旅, 都夠贏總冠軍, 佢入到去就執到隻冠軍指環, 如果佢仲留o係 blazer, 今年都唔知點

作者: nikinikiniki 時間: 2006-1-2 03:15 AM

hoston太過依賴T-mac.
Yau又一直打唔起，籃板..真係唔好提...
佢真係太柔弱了，同太過中國人，太謙讓喇，成日比人in your face,
所以d人就唔怕你。冇O'Neal或Big Ben o個種"禁區我話事"o個隻feel...
我覺得trade走Yau 換多幾個禁區苦力好過

[ Last edited by nikinikiniki on 2006-1-2 at 03:31 AM ]

作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-2 04:36 AM

it seems to me that neither tmac nor yao ming is more important...they just can't be compared in terms of importance...they r equally important just like what skjeiw said: a left leg is as important as a right leg. some of u may say tmac is definitely more important...but i dun think so! he just doesn't have leadership...just think about Orlando Magic couple yrs ago...he was unable to lead the team ...not too sure but i remember Orlando ended up getting the worst record.

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2006-1-2 10:23 AM

Originally posted by nikinikiniki at 2006-1-2 03:15 AM:
hoston太過依賴T-mac.
Yau又一直打唔...

>太過中國人，太謙讓

唔好聽：沒能力阻止
好聽：太謙讓

所以話呢，中國人修辭能力認真一流~

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2006-1-2 12:17 PM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2006-1-2 03:12 AM:

執到啦佢, 本來冇 rasheed, detroit 都係一隊勁旅, 都夠贏總冠軍, 佢入到去就執到隻冠軍指環, 如果佢仲留o係 blazer, 今年都唔知點

無sheed 的話活塞唔夠拎冠軍ga,
記得佢未黎之前,活塞只係一支東岸勁隊, 但係到東岸決賽都係俾藍網掃走左.....
嗰陣活塞無乜人打內線.....內線防守都係得老ben....
係到第二季季中,活塞係鷹隊換佢番黎, 完成埋最後一塊平圖, 先有奪標能力~
sheed黎左活塞之後,無以前咁火爆, 佢內線的進攻與防守經驗幫左活塞好多~

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2006-1-2 01:09 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-2 12:17:

無sheed 的話活塞唔夠拎冠軍ga,
記...

完全同意。

作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-2 03:39 PM

shaqkobe, in ur previous post (forgot which one), u said that we can't really compare Kobe or tmac with kidd due to different position and i dun think this statement is too right...i mean, if we can't compare players with different position, how else was jordan known to be the best!? The best simply means better than others "in different positions". itz hard to compare, but itz certainly possilbe to compare...something that can always be distinguished from a all-star player and a not so all-star player would be his ability to knock down shots in crunch time, ability to lead a team, etc..and i think these criteria might be how all-star players in different positions are evaluated...RIGHT??

作者: bigfish 時間: 2006-1-3 08:56 AM

Originally posted by filter-074baller66 at 2006-1-2 03:39 PM:
shaqkobe, in ur previous post (forg...

so kidd 係 all-star player, t-mac & kobe 呢??
我覺得以星味計, t-mac 同 kobe 都穩据前列, 起碼佢地對專用鞋長出長有丫
jason kidd 係頂級球員, 尤其打反擊o既球隊最需要佢, so 我諗係戰術問題令人覺得佢係最佳控衛啦, 但係打陣地戰o個陣佢個效用就用 t-mac 同 kobe 咁明顯, 起碼佢唔可以憑爆發力切入禁區博犯規 or 走籃丫, 相反我覺得 t-mac 同 kobe 打反擊係有能力傳到一d jason kidd 傳到o既波, 不過佢地心態上唔願意咁做o者, so 以能力計, kidd 同另外兩位真係差少少

作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-3 09:13 AM

where did i say jason kidd is better!? the only message i was trying to convey is that we can compare players in different positions...thatz all! and if i am asked to choose the best player out of those three...kobe would definitely be the one! jason kidd just doesn't seem to be as gd as he ONCE was after the injury..

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2006-1-3 04:45 PM

Originally posted by filter-074baller66 at 2006-1-3 09:13 AM:
where did i say jason kidd is bette...

係lo,傷完之後感覺上好似退步左.....
成個nba 除左kidd同nash之外, 都無乜邊個pg 可以串起到成波同令整隊球員有明顯進步....
這些pg 也是稀有動物呢~

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2006-1-3 05:02 PM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2006-1-3 08:56 AM:

so kidd 係 all-star player, t-mac...

jason kidd 傑出係在於佢既心態、睇到空位.....
傳球技巧唔係重點~如果删左心態，對佢係唔公平

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2006-1-3 09:41 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-3 16:45:

係lo,傷完之後感覺上好似退步左.....
成個nba 除左kidd同nash之外, 都無乜邊個pg 可以串起到成波同令整隊球員有明顯進步....
這些pg 也是稀有動物呢~

加上Kidd年紀都已經開始大啦。就黎33歲對於一個PG黎講已經算係高齡，大幅度既活動、快速既上落、全場既走動都為佢做成左唔少壓力。所以我覺得佢會進一步減低自己既得分，在籃板同助攻上繼續發揮所能。不過佢既經驗、視野、球中既地位，仍使Kidd成為NBA數一數二既一級控衛。。。

作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-4 03:34 AM

maybe chris paul or deron williams will be the best future point guard..haha

作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-8 12:44 PM

哈哈，竟然我唔係度都有人講 Kidd...

將項目分開來評審 Kidd 是不對的！看他得分根本就屎！傳球是有點功架，如針孔式彈地傳球，但根本很小出現，一場一兩下到。當然，rebound 是他勤力既成果。

佢最值錢既地方就係能控制節奏，打出士氣 (不論團隊或個別隊友)，引發 (善用) 隊友的 potential (你看 K. Mart 或 Van Horn 而家)，及人際關係 (好多人之前都好擔心 V. Carter + R. Jefferson + Kidd 會嘈交，但結果不知幾夾)‧‧‧ 呢 D 都係唔可以睇 stat 及 T-Mac，KB，Marbury 等做唔到既野。

雖然 Kidd 年仕漸高，但他賣的不是運動能力，相信佢仍可以係 top PG 多幾年。

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