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作者: jyeung1 時間: 2005-12-27 09:00 PM 標題: 真是吾明點解話Kobe勁???

命中率得4X%
其他表現
Rebound, Assist 其差
Career Rebound: 5.1
Career Assist: 4.4
Career FG%: 45.1%

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118

隨口講幾個整體表現好過佢
真是吾明點解話佢勁

Steve Francis
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3325

LeBron James
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3704

Vince Carter
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3248

Kevin Garnett
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3007

Paul Pierce
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3253

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 09:02 PM

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唔知可以講咩

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 09:04 PM

Originally posted by jyeung1 at 2005-12-27 09:00 PM:
命中率得4X%
其他表現
Rebound, Ass...

你的邏輯...
真是吾明點解話二哥勁???
命中率得4X%
Career point: 14.X
Career FG%: 4X%

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 09:23 PM

大把主力40幾啦講清楚d好
kobe 45.1% 以中距離為主都幾好啦
但 assist / points+turnover 真係少左d...

作者: 阿感 時間: 2005-12-27 09:29 PM

我都唔係太鐘意KOBE,不過無可否認佢係有過人之處,唔講統計資料,單係睇佢各種入球O既方法,都足以表現出佢強大O既得分能力

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 10:30 PM

Originally posted by 阿感 at 2005-12-27 09:29 PM:
我都唔係太鐘意KOBE,不過無可否認佢係有過人之處,唔講統計資料,單係睇佢各種入球O既方法,都足以表現出佢強大O既得分能力

佢係勁
但由於
1.負面新聞太多
2.一人球隊而且成績唔好,直接整衰自己身價

己經無以前既叫座力
因第2因素:就如paul pierce一樣永留百姓間...
算啦無謂再留戀過去的湖人了
O'NEAL + KOBE =真的是過去了恩恩怨怨也過去了...

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:30 PM:

佢係勁
但由於
1.負面新聞太多
...

咁你like 邊個球星ga???

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:30 PM:

佢係勁
但由於
1.負面新聞太多
...

但睇KB既奇技己經值la~

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 10:40 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-27 10:36 PM:

但睇KB既奇技己經值la~

請問甘兄佢有邊招絕招
全nba都無人做到的?

那麼恐怕佢既價值己由
頂級跳落一級了~

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:40 PM:

請問甘兄佢有邊招絕招
全nba都無人做到的?

那麼恐怕佢既價值己由
頂級跳落一級了~

哇，咁多球，好難逐一形容喎~

作者: 阿感 時間: 2005-12-27 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:40 PM:

請問甘兄佢有邊招絕招
全nba都無人做到的?

那麼恐怕佢既價值己由
頂級跳落一級了~

又唔會話有D動作係冇其他人做到O既,不過佢真係做到好多高難動作

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 10:59 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-27 10:50 PM:

哇，咁多球，好難逐一形容喎~

中距離 paul pierce 穩定過佢
入樽 lebron james 力量,彈跳都好過佢
控球,傳球切入 manu ginobili 左手切入無出其右

在此比較看來kobe是一級而非頂級了
起碼佢無傳奇級球員的氣度和精神

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:59 PM:

中距離 paul pierce 穩定過佢
入樽 lebron james 力量,彈跳都好過佢
控球,傳球切入 manu ginobili 左手切入無出其右

咁你搵唔搵到你以上提及各種能力都係最top幾個ge球員???

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:02 PM

不過真係有一特別印象深刻想傾傾
kobe左面ab位做個細trick後
轉入底線跳高越過中鋒隻手入樽
真係極似極似當年佐敦既風範

可惜佢又樂極忘形, 玩搖手指伸舌
結果....咪要玩個後空翻先唔駛做滾地葫蘆囉...

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:05 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-27 11:02 PM:

咁你搵唔搵到你以上提及各種能力都係最top幾個ge球員???

lebron, pierce, melo, manu, arenas, hughes,
就算allen都唔見得比佢低一級
在我看來大家都係同級實力者
唔見得kobe高高在上喎
你話呢?

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:05 PM:

lebron, pierce, melo, manu, arenas, hughes,
就算allen都唔見得比佢低一級
在我看來大家都係同級實力者
唔見得kobe高高在上喎
你話呢?

我覺得melo, manu, arenas, hughes都未係kobe個level wo~
lebron 仲係得20 years old, 真係超勁,各方面j都有顯注進步,過多幾年勁過kobe都唔定~
pierce......真係無乜睇佢打波, 好難講...........
至於 allen.....今季表現唔多好,射3分過多, 防守一般, 無錯人緣方面好過kobe,
但睇埋今季sonic 對laker ge 比賽, 我都覺得allen 仲差kobe d......

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:05 PM:

lebron, pierce, melo, manu, arenas, hughes,
就算allen都唔見得比佢低一級
在我看來大家都係同級實力者
唔見得kobe高高在上喎
你話呢?

ai、t-mac、kb同級，其他.....
差dd la~

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:19 PM

主觀了吧...
Lebron己在kobe之上了除左mark人3分各樣能力都好d
而且心態方面20歲的lebron比kobe更加成熟表現更全面
allen仍然係美國隊首席射手 iverson都要讓畀佢射, 竟然唔係kobe既level...
manu佢唔玩solo者 level一定不低過佢防守,偷球, 籃板,體力,速度,運球,助攻,團體意識...
pierce 射術體能籃板以shooting guard黎講真係現今nba頂級中頂級了
是時候睇多d其他球隊既波, 上多d網搵data了過時的資料就讓它過去吧

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:23 PM

講笑咁講, 順帶一提
今年保雲 3分射術唔講唔知
上網睇... 以前積落黎都好鬼恐怖
今年要壓在lue及新allen之稱公鹿既列特之間呢
有機會再拎常規賽最佳3分射手啊

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:19 PM:
Lebron己在kobe之上了

....
我沒話說了
....

作者: snboy2147 時間: 2005-12-27 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:59 PM:

中距離 paul pierce 穩定過佢
入...

Kobe d 進攻方式(技巧)多占屎好多.....邊有得比?!彈力kobe 會差過占屎?!你有冇睇過kobe 打波?(仲有win過入樽賽)

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:29 PM

Originally posted by snboy2147 at 2005-12-27 11:25 PM:

Kobe d 進攻方式(技巧)多占屎好多.....邊有得比?!彈力kobe 會差過占屎?!你有冇睇過kobe 打波?(仲有win過入樽賽)

彈上去係
畀人撞博犯規
定係撞低人就係最大分別

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:31 PM

05-06
kobe minutes 40 points 32.2 assist4.4 rebound 5.4 steal1.14 fg .442 3pt .282

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:33 PM

james
05-06 CLE minutes41.5 points 30.3 assist5.5 rebound 6.0 steal 1.65 fg .495 3pt .357

招數的確少d 但無耐實用d...

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:19 PM:
主觀了吧...
Lebron己在kobe之上了 ...

LBJ真係天才中的天才,但係咪而家巳經超越kobe仲好難講..........過多幾年就可能會~
manu.....佢仲未證明到佢勁過kobe,可能你話上年piston都阻佢唔到,
但係咁就同kobe同級?????相信現在絕大部分ge球隊係呢2個人之中揀都會揀kobe....

而ray allen.....可能我主觀吧,今年11月24日ge比賽,我見到kobe防到allen舉步為艱,
而allen卻對kobe毫無辦法.....kobe下半場就這樣得了26分.....(不過只係一場比賽,都係講一講啫.....)
allen今季表現唔多好,命中率是職業生涯新低,防守一定比kobe 差, so我先覺得kobe勁少少...
(係少少,唔係差一級...)
至於paul .... 香港無乜播佢比賽,真係無乜機睇.........

[ Last edited by nashisthebestpg on 2005-12-27 at 11:36 PM ]

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 11:39 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-27 11:35 PM:

LBJ真係天才中的天才,但係咪而家巳...

LBJ真係天才中的天才-----我唔覺
我只覺得好早熟同比人捧~

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:29 PM:

彈上去係
畀人撞博犯規
定係撞低人就係最大分別

講真,技術比彈力重要得多,
好多人彈力都好勁,但都要有好技術先有用,

無錯,LBJ彈力都係好勁,但kobe都唔差得多,
佢地博罰球次數差唔多,只緊要係入到波啫~

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:40 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-27 11:35 PM:

manu.....佢仲未證明到佢勁過kobe,可能你話上年piston都阻佢唔到,

萊利季前都話
如果要放棄韋特 (d.wade)
唯一可代替(sub.)的是贊路比利(manu)
因他的走籃姿態很特別(special)
我都認同一樣係走籃的話
但得分方面 manu比kobe更有把握攞到分喎 (唔計博foul!)

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:41 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-27 11:39 PM:

LBJ真係天才中的天才-----我唔覺
我只覺得好早熟同比人捧~

算天才ga啦,20歲仔,有咁ge能力,
除左勤力之外天份都好重要ge~

作者: Dicksonheng 時間: 2005-12-27 11:43 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-27 11:39 PM:

講真,技術比彈力重要得多,
好多人...

入樽的話
kobe比james差的就是上身力量了
別忘記james新人年是打point guard
至今他應該比kobe更為全面

而技術方面, 同意, 入到就得
但無體能就要花巧的
有體能就要實際的
分別亦係咁

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-27 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:40 PM:

萊利季前都話
如果要放棄韋特 (d...

萊利的感覺啫,畢竟,唔係每個球員都啱一隊波,
好似kg係勁過sheed,但係之前個傳聞,好多人都覺得sheed比kg更好(對活塞)
之前睇報導,係各個nba教練心目中,
kobe係最佳sg(仲好似係好壓倒性~)

另外,走籃姿態很特別,咁又點???

沖個涼先,一陣講~

[ Last edited by nashisthebestpg on 2005-12-27 at 11:47 PM ]

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:40 PM:
但得分方面 manu比kobe更有把握攞到分喎

你又知？manu唔係得分主力，得分主力受既防守力唔少架~

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-27 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 11:43 PM:
無體能就要花巧的
有體能就要實際的

ok，我認同，但各有各好姐~

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 12:11 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-27 11:46 PM:

你又知？manu唔係得分主力，得分主力受既防守力唔少架~

哈,同我的觀點一樣,馬刺有duncan係度,仲有parker仔和其他外圍射手,
佢受ge防守壓力確實少d~
gino ge得分主要係靠佢的第一步同古怪步法鏟籃and 企外圍等wide open 3分~
本身無乜能力自己創造機會中距離jump shoot(因我真係無乜見過)~
if佢係一隊弱隊打,要做得分主力同上陣40分,人地一定會搵一條友mark死佢,
甚至夾擊, 若一個球員無乜可靠的中距離,我唔多信佢憑鏟籃都入到30分~
呢個就係我話gino未證明到佢係同kobe同一level的原因~

[ Last edited by nashisthebestpg on 2005-12-28 at 12:13 AM ]

作者: nikinikiniki 時間: 2005-12-28 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:59 PM:

中距離 paul pierce 穩定過佢
入...

paul pierce 穩定?
我覺得Kobe更穩wor...
Kobe都有個人之處，佢d fly away好好，有以前Jordan的影子。
Kobe彈跳力都好好，佢係"錫"身d jar..佢都拎過Slam Dunk contect..
同防守不錯，可能大家都把注意力放係佢既進攻。
雖然我不是Kobe迷，但Kobe真的不差的
不過就真係獨吃

[ Last edited by nikinikiniki on 2005-12-28 at 01:10 AM ]

作者: victor19870416 時間: 2005-12-28 04:27 AM

試想想真路比利擺返落去湖人度一定打得好差~
因為kobe有扭轉局勢同埋獨領大局ge能力
宜家睇真路比利d表現幾好~都因為佢d隊友勁,平均,分擔到各方面工作
占士宜家仲未有kobe咁勁,磨多幾年就會有機會超越kobe
可能你唔多like kobe啦=]

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Dicksonheng at 2005-12-27 10:40 PM:

請問甘兄佢有邊招絕招
全nba都無人做到的?

那麼恐怕佢既價值己由
頂級跳落一級了~

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作者: coke123 時間: 2005-12-28 08:05 AM

ha, 攞kobe 同 LJ 比係唔公平, 一個有三個冠軍, 一個就暫時乜都冇, 可能要得到LJ 有幾會攞冠軍先比la! Kobe 係射術上可能會穩定果James, 但係james 都進步緊, 體能同彈跳方面都不
相白眾, 但James 比較後生同高大小小, 但經驗就當然Kobe 好D, 話曬都攞個冠軍(唔好理佢關唔關shaq 事先) Kobe 可能好目中無人, 有好多人都唔太Like 佢(包括本人), 但佢真係好波, 而目中無人又會令佢更獨食(唔信人), 但目中無人翼會令佢唔怕對手,(佢係夠膽死會係Shaq 面前入樽個隻), 我覺得係 Yao 面前入樽唔難, 係Shaq 面前就話你勁! 就好似AI 話 no fear to anybody!

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 09:21 AM

Originally posted by coke123 at 2005-12-28 08:05 AM:
ha, 攞kobe 同 LJ 比係唔公平, 一個有...

同意，fear d la各位！

作者: skjeiw 時間: 2005-12-28 09:43 AM

唔通你勁?
如果佢真係唔勁但係都做到NBA的超級球星...咁已經好勁

[ Last edited by skjeiw on 2005-12-28 at 09:44 AM ]

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 07:16 PM

個人認為kobe既個人技術已經去到無可挑剔既地步。。或者你會話佢命中率略低。不過事實上近4成5呢個命中率，對於佢呢種每晚有成兩個或以上夾攻既後場球員黎講，已經算係好好。加上kobe佢加強左自己既身体強度，上身力量已經強大左好多，睇到佢已經比之前大隻左好多好多，個人既對抗性已經加強左。彈跳力上雖然佢唔係最強既球員，不過佢既騰空力係聯盟中數一數二。係依家nba裡面罕有彈跳與騰空力兼備的球員。射術經過佢自己既苦練之後，依家已經係變得好穩定。籃板有5個已經算係交到功課，不過助攻的確係差左D，但係依家既湖人真係你擺個nash落去，佢都好難幫你做到好多既助攻。依家湖人內線唔掂，外圍唔準，要做助攻談何容易。你話佢剷籃無準頭，不過佢成日搏到罰球，呢個都係佢既恐怖之處，近6季一年平均搏到600個罰球，係現役後場球員裡面相信只有AI會多得過佢。更何況佢既剷籃技巧已經改善左好多，手感亦都好好。。。其實搏罰球既能力都係佢既實力之一，唔通搏到既罰球唔係佢既功勞？？最重要既亦可以話kobe比起其他球員特別出色既，就係佢進攻咁出色之外，防守都一樣難唔到佢。單對單既防守技巧亦都好強，呢方面真係好少球員可以做得到。。好似James、T-mac、Wade……好多好多一線後衛都係攻強防弱既球員。不過Kobe就唔同啦，佢係防守上既功架都好好。

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-12-28 at 07:20 PM ]

作者: bigfish 時間: 2005-12-28 08:10 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 07:16 PM:
個人認為kobe既個人技術已經去到無可...

我想問, 彈跳力同騰空力有咩分別?
跟本冇人可以彈跳力差而騰空力強架喎

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 08:12 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-27 23:24:

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我沒話說了
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作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 08:28 PM

Originally posted by bigfish at 2005-12-28 20:10:

我想問, 彈跳力同騰空力有咩分別?
跟本冇人可以彈跳力差而騰空力強架喎

彈跳力係指垂直跳起既能力，一般由地面向天空計算可以以高度為單位。而騰空力就係一個球員可以係空中停留時間長久既能力。係兩種野黎架。。。。佐敦就明顯係一個有彈跳力兼騰空力佳既球員(雖然佢既彈跳力唔係最出眾，不過就憑住有上佳既騰空力，以致佢可以係空中做出好多高難度動作。)。
有專家解釋兩者:彈跳力係有得練既，但騰空力就無。但都有提升騰空力既方法，就是注意身型上的要點，聽聞身体脂肪比率係一個數字內既騰空力最好，肌肉比率高未必一定最好。。。不過唔記得左=,="
唔係無人會彈跳力差而騰空力強，而係就算佢騰空力幾強，由於跳得唔高所以都唔覺者。。。
至於彈跳力強既人亦都唔代表騰空力一定就會好強。

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-12-28 at 08:33 PM ]

作者: jyeung1 時間: 2005-12-28 08:32 PM

Kobe 只是得分能力強
其他方面差

領導能力:
得Kobe 的 Laker, Playoff 都入吾到
[Laker甘多錢]

Rebound:
講真Kobe高度,彈跳力,
得5.1

場上態度其差:
上個Season, 成日鬧隊友,
自已經常得3x%命中率
又吾話自已

成日剩想表現自已
你睇Statistic
他命中率高時,Assist多
他命中率低時,Assist少
成日想做雙雙

我真係吾明成日講到Kobe好勁

Jason Kid 去Net, Net由尾變第一

Oneal 去Heat, Heat由尾變第一

Nash去SUN, SUN由尾變第一

AI 那種打不死精神
差20-30分都搏到差
2-3分

尼D就係勁,Kobe 仲差好遠冇leadership能力

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 08:48 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 07:16 PM:
個人認為kobe既個人技術已經去到無可...

在開季之前(大約係Preseason), 我上一個湖人論壇,
都有人講過kobe的助攻會少d, 因為今季kobe係擔任一個主攻手ge角色,
主要帶波同分波由odom黎做, 目的係想kobe可以發揮出最有效率的攻擊,
唔想佢搶板,助攻,帶波乜都做晒,令kobe體力消耗大,turnover都多埋~

作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 08:55 PM

Originally posted by jyeung1 at 2005-12-28 08:32 PM:
成日剩想表現自已
你睇Statistic
他命中率高時,Assist多
他命中率低時,Assist少
成日想做雙雙

...

你話佢今季定上季???
if係今季,乜唔係剛好相反,命中率高時,Assist少?
命中率低時,Assist多?????
仲有,佢又幾時成日想做雙雙?
佢連得分紀錄都唔破, 雙雙呢d 普通紀錄佢要特登做???

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 09:05 PM

Originally posted by jyeung1 at 2005-12-28 08:32 PM:
Kobe 只是得分能力強
其他方面差

...

>領導能力:
得Kobe 的 Laker, Playoff 都入吾到
[Laker甘多錢]
....如果e家既LA+O'neal-KB
一定入吾到Playoff tim la！

>Rebound:
講真Kobe高度,彈跳力,
得5.1
....LJ高KB兩寸，重KB廿磅
都係6.2....

>成日剩想表現自已
你睇Statistic
他命中率高時,Assist多
他命中率低時,Assist少
成日想做雙雙
....無野好講....

>Jason Kid 去Net, Net由尾變第一
Oneal 去Heat, Heat由尾變第一
Nash去SUN, SUN由尾變第一
....Net無左卡達，會變第幾？
Heat無左韋哥，會變第幾？
SUN無左大史，會變第幾？

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:08 PM

Originally posted by jyeung1 at 2005-12-28 20:32:
Kobe 只是得分能力強
其他方面差

領導能力:
2)得Kobe 的 Laker, Playoff 都入吾到
[Laker甘多錢]

Rebound:
1)講真Kobe高度,彈跳力,
得5.1

1)場上態度其差:
上個Season, 成日鬧隊友,
自已經常得3x%命中率
又吾話自已

成日剩想表現自已
你睇Statistic
他命中率高時,Assist多
他命中率低時,Assist少
成日想做雙雙

3我真係吾明成日講到Kobe好勁

Jason Kid 去Net, Net由尾變第一

Oneal 去Heat, Heat由尾變第一

Nash去SUN, SUN由尾變第一

4 AI 那種打不死精神
差20-30分都搏到差
2-3分
尼D就係勁,Kobe 仲差好遠冇leadership能力

雖然我都覺kobe既領導能力唔強，不過你既比較方式就唔多公平。。。。。(紅色者唔同意)
1)kobe咁既身高、彈跳力得5.4籃板好少。。。。。。？？
你如果俾佢成場只顧住搶籃板，佢一定唔止得咁少既籃板，你想要十個廿個，佢都可能搶到俾你(如果佢只顧去衝搶籃板既話)。。。kobe話晒都係得分後衛，搶籃板根本上唔係佢既主要職責。。你有睇過佢打波就知，有好多時候，佢係出面做緊防守，唔通下下要佢返入籃底幫手搶板？？？更何況佢好多時人地一起完手之後就會衝去前場等快攻機會，事實上搶籃板都唔係佢既主要職責。仲有佢地呢D後場球員搶板好多時要有自己內線球員去頂位先至衝搶。湖人係呢方面一D都唔強。。。5.4個算係中規中舉。。。

2)得Kobe 的 Laker, Playoff 都入吾到[Laker甘多錢]？？？
無錯今年湖人既班費係高7千幾萬(全聯盟第六)，不過點解無成績？？咁就要問下湖人個經理或者積遜，今年佢地做球員交易做錯D乜野啦。。。如果依家陣容唔掂都要kobe孭鑊。好似唔關佢事架喎。。。B.Grant白白羅梗湖人1千4百幾萬。。。Odom不過不失既表現又羅你1千二百萬。。。仲有個K.Brown羅你7百50萬。真係見到都吐血。。。。

3)我真係吾明成日講到Kobe好勁，Jason Kid 去Net, Net由尾變第一；Oneal 去Heat, Heat由尾變第一；Nash去SUN, SUN由尾變第一？？？？
你又唔林下kidd、nash、Shaq求其一個黎到湖人換走kobe，咁湖人下年係唔係又第一先？？？根本上球隊既陣容都唔同。咁都做比較。點會公平=.="
kidd果時隊中有Jefferson、 K.Martin、 Kittles 、Van Horn …………nash有Marion 、Amare 、JJ同QR………Shaq有Wade、Jonesx2…………但係kobe有邊個？？？剩係覺得Odom係真係有能力幫到佢囉。。

4)AI 那種打不死精神？？？
你覺得kobe無？依家湖人成日落後，好多唯一仲係度奮鬥既球員就係kobe~~你估kobe未試過落後20幾分之後幫球隊追返上去？？今年都有幾場係咁啦。。kobe既爭勝心一D都唔低。

(籃色同意)
1)場上態度其差上個Season, 成日鬧隊友？
呢方面佢真係好唔成熟，太過自我中心。今年已經算無咁目中無人。。。不過佢真係太過自我，應該同隊友建立朋友既關係，不過照佢同佢既隊友之前所言。就完全唔覺佢有隊中既朋友，超孤辟。。

2)Kobe 仲差好遠冇leadership能力？
kobe既領導能力真係差。。佢唔可以增強隊友既發揮。。kidd、nash……就唔同，一班普普通通既球員，都可以透過佢地既造熟交出好成績。不過kobe就做唔到，仲有種令人覺得佢打壓隊友既感覺。同kobe一隊既球員，好多時都唔敢出手。。上年呢個問題尤其嚴重。。成日有open look都唔敢射！！！

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:10 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 21:05:

>領導能力:
得Kobe 的 Laker, ...

甘兄。。果時nets無carter。。不過仲有Jefferson、 K.Martin、 Kittles 、Van Horn 。。。大部份同我係#49樓既睇法好似。jyeung1兄講野有失公平。

作者: 阿感 時間: 2005-12-28 09:12 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 09:08 PM:

(籃色同意)
1)場上態度其差上個Season, 成日鬧隊友？
呢方面佢真係好唔成熟，太過自我中心。今年已經算無咁目中無人。。。不過佢真係太過自我，應該同隊友建立朋友既關係，不過照佢同佢既隊友之前所言。就完全唔覺佢有隊中既朋友，超孤辟。。

2)Kobe 仲差好遠冇leadership能力？
kobe既領導能力真係差。。佢唔可以增強隊友既發揮。。kidd、nash……就唔同，一班普普通通既球員，都可以透過佢地既造熟交出好成績。不過kobe就做唔到，仲有種令人覺得佢打壓隊友既感覺。同kobe一隊既球員，好多時都唔敢出手。。上年呢個問題尤其嚴重。。成日有open look都唔敢射！！！

完全同意,呢個都係我唔鐘意KOBE O既主因

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:13 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 20:48:

在開季之前(大約係Preseason), 我上...

可從今年Odom轉打控球前鋒上見到。Odom助攻方亦明顯多左。。

作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 09:16 PM

SK果然係SK！
我放監後狀態大不如前...
dxx留言，就靠你la！

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-12-28 at 09:18 PM ]

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:18 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 21:16:
SK果然係SK！
我放監後狀態大不

又唔好咁樣話其他板友。。可能係佢睇得片面左者。。。。
大家都係討論討論。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 09:23 PM

Originally posted by jyeung1 at 2005-12-28 08:32 PM:
AI 那種打不死精神
差20-30分都搏到差
2-3分
...
如果你講打不死精神,我諗除左ai 外, 最好就係kobe了.......
我真係無乜見過kobe係唔比心機打每一場波,
就算上年季末n 多連敗,就算kobe傷埋, 佢都照樣繼續上場, 唔會坐係bench
(因最後大約10場lakers注定入唔到playoff,係例行公事)........
今年睇場過場對木狼, lakers到最後一節無端端俾人反超,仲差大約10分,
剩1分幾鐘,kobe救波仲飛埋出界, 入完球3分仲立刻緊迫接開波ge對手,
無奈隊友好似放棄左,無防對手,仲要開波之後傳波turnover..........
嗰一刻真係覺得kobe係永不放棄的.............

仲有一場對小牛,第4節仲落後28,29分,kobe頭3節只係入左7分,
但第4節都無放棄,努力地入左21分,仲入埋致勝入球......講唔服輸ge精神除左ai無乜
邊個有kobe咁強.............

[ Last edited by nashisthebestpg on 2005-12-28 at 09:29 PM ]
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:44 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 21:23:

如果你講打不死精神,我諗除左ai 外,...
我仲林到個T-mac~
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 09:52 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 09:44 PM:

我仲林到個T-mac~
不過除左35秒入13分嗰場之外,
好多球評家都覺得佢爭勝心唔夠,
好似有年係魔術度,佢打到無晒心機,好似得過且過咁,仲放風話唔想打,仲無出全力.....
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 09:54 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 21:52:

不過除左35秒入13分嗰場之外,
好多球評家都覺得佢爭勝心唔夠,
好似有年係魔術度,佢打到無晒心機,好似得過且過咁,仲放風話唔想打,仲無出全力.....
講講下又係喎。。不過果場對球迷心中既影響力好大。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 09:57 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 09:54 PM:

講講下又係喎。。不過果場對球迷心中既影響力好大。
哈,我都係果場先開始鐘意t-mac
果場咁啱有播, 真係睇到我叫到high high 聲~
作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 10:04 PM

講講下好奇怪，t-mac又有傷，卡達又有傷
係得KB無乜傷.......
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 10:06 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 22:04:
講講下好奇怪，t-mac又有傷，卡達又有傷
係得KB無乜傷.......
因為KB依家真係大隻過之前好多。對抗性佢真係唔差。。。
作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 10:16 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 10:06 PM:

因為KB依家真係大隻過之前好多。對抗性佢真係唔差。。。
唔係喎，t-mac、卡達唔大隻咩？
仲有，KB大隻過之前好多？點解
佢02年增果15磅，唔係係03年官搞到消瘦番咩？
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 10:19 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 10:04 PM:
講講下好奇怪，t-mac又有傷，卡達又有傷
係得KB無乜傷.......
kobe一直都有少少傷ga,
4天王嗰年,記得季尾kobe傷左,話要抖2,3個星期,
點知2,3場之後就著左件保護衣繼續打......情況就好似而家的t-mac,不過可能無咁serious 掛~

上年kobe都傷左唔少啦,季中傷左之後戰績就開始差,到季尾又傷過,but佢照打啫~

今年初對鷹隊,都傷過手指, if 大家有留意的話,kobe唔知邊隻手指係有野包住,
if無事的話我諗唔洗包掛............到最近對Wizards,又傷過唔知邊隻手指,
but佢都係照打......不過我諗唔太serious的~
作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 10:21 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 10:19 PM:

kobe一直都有少少傷ga,
4天王嗰年,...
我是指沒甚麼影響表現的大傷....
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 10:28 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 22:16:

唔係喎，t-mac、卡達唔大隻咩？
仲有，KB大隻過之前好多？點解
佢02年增果15磅，唔係係03年官搞到消瘦番咩？
佢上年季尾自己又走去狂健身丫麻。。体重上雖然無乜點變。不過脂肪率比例低左好多！！
我覺得T-mac身型上過瘦，6尺8得個210磅，打nba真係瘦(kobe6尺6都有220磅啦)。。至於Carter就好似肌肉唔夠topfit時結實。。不過可能最大原因係球員傷開就有手尾要跟，有咩有傷患好難斷尾。。kobe之前好彩無乜大傷患，所以咪可以健健康康。

[ Last edited by shaqkobe on 2005-12-28 at 10:32 PM ]
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 10:29 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 10:21 PM:

我是指沒甚麼影響表現的大傷....
咁就唔知點解啦,
but......t-mac都係今年先有咁大ge傷啫,
前幾年d傷佢都仲頂到..........

而卡達.........我好記得有次佢射3份,點知俾條bowen 差隻腳埋去.......
咁就長抖la.............
but carter真係好似易傷d~
作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-28 10:35 PM

其實，我覺得KB可能比較懂得避免傷患....
有人用AI傷極都掂同carter做對比，結論係 "入樽系" 最易傷~
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 10:40 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 22:35:
其實，我覺得KB可能比較懂得避免傷患....
有人用AI傷極都掂同carter做對比，結論係 "入樽系" 最易傷~
當然入樽最易傷啦。。所以依家好多成左名既球員都會以放籃代替入樽，甚至減少入偰。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 10:42 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2005-12-28 10:35 PM:
其實，我覺得KB可能比較懂得避免傷患....
有人用AI傷極都掂同carter做對比，結論係 "入樽系" 最易傷~
ai 真係一個excepton...........
有次打到手指骨裂or斷左都唔知..........
嗰場波仲要入左三十幾..............
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 10:44 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 22:42:

ai 真係一個excepton...........
有次打到手指骨裂or斷左都唔知..........
嗰場波仲要入左三十幾..............
講笑咁講。AI呢D到佢老既時候，肯定會有好多病痛。。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 10:44 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 10:44 PM:

講笑咁講。AI呢D到佢老既時候，肯定會有好多病痛。。
唔出奇啊,風濕都痛死佢~
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 10:47 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 22:44:

唔出奇啊,風濕都痛死佢~
係喎。。。返風落雨，佢真係唔駛訓。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 10:59 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 10:47 PM:

係喎。。。返風落雨，佢真係唔駛訓。
係呢,你點忙都好,
記住開考眼光,psiton對heats啊~
好想買呢~
作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-12-28 11:04 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-28 22:59:

係呢,你點忙都好,
記住開考眼光,psiton對heats啊~
好想買呢~
希望我記得啦。
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-28 11:06 PM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 11:04 PM:

希望我記得啦。
..........
走先,再會~
作者: 甘國武 時間: 2005-12-29 09:40 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-12-28 10:28 PM:

佢上年季尾自己又走去狂健身丫麻。...
其實佢加左15磅果時真係好勁
好多動作都充滿力量，結合他本身的靈巧
真係超靚！~
作者: wukingtung 時間: 2005-12-29 10:17 PM

其實我覺得kobe打法係學jordan
不過可能打得冇咁好
其實kobe都好勁下心理又幾好
你見佢d last shoot命中機會
都咪話唔驚
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2005-12-29 10:24 PM

Originally posted by wukingtung at 2005-12-29 10:17 PM:
其實我覺得kobe打法係學jordan
不過可能打得冇咁好
其實kobe都好勁下心理又幾好
你見佢d last shoot命中機會
都咪話唔驚
不過睇完近2場的報導, kobe真係唔夠成熟....
呢點同佐敦仲有n 咁遠ge距離.....
另外,其實我留意左好耐, kobe最後一擊入波ge成功指數都唔算特別高ga ja~(起碼今季係...)
作者: skjeiw 時間: 2005-12-29 10:51 PM

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2005-12-29 10:24 PM:

不過睇完近2場的報導, kobe真係唔夠...
哈...個個臨完場都俾波佢
射得多咪入得多...失得多lor
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-2 04:58 AM

Kobe definitely makes the top5 of all the NBA players. Period! just watch his game more and u guys will realize that. The only ONLY thing that he needs to improve is his shot selection and this is also what phil jackson has been criticizing him for. gotta trust his teammates more sometimes.
作者: nashisthebestpg 時間: 2006-1-2 06:54 PM

Originally posted by filter-074baller66 at 2006-1-2 04:58 AM:
Kobe definitely makes the top5 of a...
係law, 佢d 射球選擇有時真係唔多好....
手感好時好似點射都入,但有時手感唔好時....就睇得出好格硬黎......
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-4 03:54 PM

Kobe does have a lot of scoring weapons, it can be fancy, eye candy, jaw dropping, high flying ... he has the talent. But Kobe is not stable, he can do a lot of things, score, rebound, assist, steal... but neither he can deliever constantly. That makes him a big problem, not for us the audience, but for the team and coach. If you are the coach, when the team is losing on the glass, will you count on Kobe? When the team (I said team) struggle on offense, can Kobe help the team? (vs Kidd, Nash, you know what I mean). Having Kobe is different than having Karl Malone - you know he will has his numbers, night in, night out (even its damn bored); you will never know what will happen with Kobe on the floor.
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 12:04 AM

um..itz me again!! haha..so i guess u dun like him that much huh...sad....
i just wanna say that Kobe does have his number, night in, night out...whenz the last time u see he gets less than 20 points??? seems to me kobe is pretty stable considering how many shots he attempts every night...his field goal percentage is still 40 something at least..haha..and i just wanna point out that basketball is a team game...if kobe's teamates are doing a better job, they wouldn't need to rely on him that much...but undoubtedly they see great potential in kobe or else why would they give up shaq for him!?
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 12:20 AM

Yes, basketball is a team game. Kobe just can't carry the team. Jason Kidd turned the bottom Nets to Easter Conference champion. People argued that they had K-Mart, Keff VH ... but you see how Martin's doing now? You see how Keff's doing now? Kidd just has the power to make his teamates to unleash their potential and play better. Kobe just doesn't have this. I think he has the power to make his teamates play worst. (bad relation is one kind of it)

His FG% ranged from 2X% to 5X% night in and night out and you still call him stable? Have you ever watched MJ's game? Charles? (again haha) Even LBJ is more stable than him.

I am sure someone was undoubtedly see great potential in Kwame Brown and Olowokandi too! hahaha

[ Last edited by Chenjinnan on 2006-1-5 at 01:56 AM ]
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 12:37 AM

ya man..thatz the thing i dun like about kobe...poor leadership...
but hez stable as in overall? haha.. and i did watch MJ's game before....but only a few with Charles...since i was so little (again, haha) and lastly, comparing kobe with k brown? come on....itz a completely different story.....kobe is like top 5 for sure...no matter wut u said about his leadership (blah blah blah), hez still top5...and i believe thatz wut most ppl think...
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 12:44 AM

I agree that he is one of the top 5 scorers. But he won't be in the top 5 list of MVP.
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 12:45 AM

and ohohhhh i forgot about this....the coach is just as important as the point guard...believe it or not...they r the one who find the right system for the team, setting up every single play...so a lot of the success wit NEt earlier had to do with the coach. but kobe is not listening to the coach!! goddamit
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 12:48 AM

Right, and that fits to my description "big problem for the team and coach".
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 12:51 AM

not top 5 for MVP!? Being a MVP has to do with the success of the team...so ya...given those teammates....he might not be...but hez the top 5 in overall...individually...
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 12:52 AM

62 points.....not too many ppl can do that in three quarters..
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 12:58 AM

25 PTS (FG 9/33, 27.3%) also not too many ppl can do.
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 01:01 AM

I can only say he is top 5 in scoring, not overall.
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 01:20 AM

that percentage field goal doesn't really mean much...u hv to consider if he was double ot triple teamed during the whole game...and i'm pretty sure a lot of ppl got those %..hahah..1/4 is alreaedy 25%...haha... and i found it funny that even NBA live 2006 gives Kobe byrant top5 overall as well..hahah..
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 01:59 AM

that percentage field goal doesn't really mean much...u hv to consider if he was double ot triple teamed during the whole game...and i'm pretty sure a lot of ppl got those %..hahah..1/4 is alreaedy 25%...haha... and i found it funny that even NBA live 2006 gives Kobe byrant top5 overall as well..hahah..
He was double or trippled teamed when he scored 62 too.

Who star-player wasn't always got double teamed or tripple teamed? MJ was always tripple teamed, or even 5 on 1. If you consider him as a star player, don't find excuses for his bad performance. You should also blame him for his inability to get rid of his defenders, you should also blame him for his instability.

[ Last edited by Chenjinnan on 2006-1-5 at 02:02 AM ]
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 02:12 AM

well...thatz y jordan had that kind of percentage (30% lower) in couple games as well.. but owell...itz undeniable that kobe is top5 haha.. NBA LIVE 2006 GOGOGOG! hahaha
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 02:24 AM

MJ's career avg: 30.1 pts (11.4/22.9, 49.7%)
KB's best season: 32.7 pts (11.5/26.3, 43.7%)

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作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 02:27 AM

y r u comparing them??? haha...Kb is of course not as gd as MJ...but i was just saying that even jordan dou hui shoot 30% or less sometimes...so itz for sure possible for kobe la..hahah..nonetheless, he is still in the top 5!! hahahahah.. NBA LIVE 2006 rules!
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 02:28 AM

itz not hui, itz wui
作者: Chenjinnan 時間: 2006-1-5 02:34 AM

MJ was not as fluctuate as KB, for sure.
作者: asianballer66 時間: 2006-1-5 02:38 AM

thatz y he is in the hall of fame.but that still doesn't change the fact that kobe is in the top 5..NBA LIVE 2006 rocks!

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