Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by arthur8088 at 10-6-2008 09:52:

this would only happen if the player has intention to walk off the pitch or not coming back
but Panuuci was lying outside because of injury~~

The problem is Panucci was punched by his teammate Buffon...
It must be no fouls, it mustn't be any permissions from the referees and linesmans to leave the field either...

PS: I've PM Bright for professional reply....

[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 10:19 AM ]

Edgar_Davids

各大體育新聞網站對雲尼斯達萊入球的意見


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Skysports:

"There were substantial protests as Italy believed the striker was offside, but the goal was allowed to stand - seemingly because of the presence of Christian Panucci, who was lying behind the goal line throughout."


Satanta:

"The Real Madrid striker was at least two yards offside when he tapped home inside the six-yard box. The linesman may have believed Christian Panucci played him onside but the felled Roma defender was clearly off the field of play when Sneijder struck the ball back into the danger area."


BBC:

"Van Nistelrooy had better luck when he gave the Dutch the lead in hugely questionable circumstances after 26 minutes, standing in what looked like an offside position when he steered Sneijder's shot past Buffon."


ESPN:

"Striker Van Nistelrooy was clearly in an offside position when he turned in a shot from Sneijder, who was celebrating his 24th birthday, after 26 minutes.
Despite vehement Italian protests to the linesman, Swedish referee Peter Frojdfeldt ignored their calls to the delight of the vast swathes of orange-clad Dutch fans in the stadium."


Daily Mail:

"Former Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy gave the Dutch the lead in controversial circumstances after 26 minutes when he scored from close range - but also from an offside position."

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[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 10:40 AM ]

Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 10:48:
睇大家點睇啦
大家可能而家好睇好...

I care only about if the Dutch has offside...
I treat this as a process of learning FIFA regulations...


But the line-up yesterday also showed something....


1. In midfield, Italy used Gattuso(大跌watt), Pirlo(Tired) and Ambrosini...
    a. Tired (The same fatal point as AC Milan)
    b. 100% Defensive (Why didn't he use De Rossi ?)

2. In forward, Dutch's wings (Sneijder & Kuyt) played quite wide
    and Italy couldn't effectively performed the golden cen. midfield.

3. In defense, Barzagli and Materazzi weren't nice options
    a.  Materazzi: Has quite a lot of mistakes in Inter Milan this season, finally aged.
    b.  Barzagli: Not experienced enough. Also, Palermo goals conceded is horrible...

4. For players chosen, quite a few players from Eredivisie and Serie A played last night.
    a.  Eredivisie and Serie A hold different coefficient,
         it means Serie A is more competitive than Eredivisie.
        You can see that V. Bronkhorst is still speedy, Engelaar is still full of strength...
        To balance, young Italian players should be used.
    b.  Ajax and PSV were the only Dutch ECL teams and they've been KO early.
         However AS Roma, Milan's players needed to play more games.
         Milan even needed to play FIFA Club World Cup, fatal Cup.
    C.  Re-born players have not been used, such as Del Piero, Cassano, etc.


Several small and tiny points would lead to a fatal big points...
I think Donadoni should bear some responsibilities.....

Edgar_Davids

Extracts from other points of views.

岩岩起其他壇講番第一球究竟有冇越位,引用番球例

A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:
he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
he is level with the second last opponent or
he is level with the last two opponents

《Laws of the Game 2007/2008》


其他相關規則:

If a defending player steps behind his own goal line in order to place an opponent in an offside position, the referee shall allow play to continue and caution the defender for deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission when the ball is next out of play.

A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position.

Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.



ne球意大利有個球員之前比保方撞左出去, 因為唔係經球證許可出場,所以仍當參與防守~
所以ne球雲佬只要唔越過保方就唔當越位~

不過06/07 球季意甲有場出現同樣情況就誤判左就越位~
以上係大陸一個前國際裁判陸俊起一個足球節目上面講ge ~

[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 11:58 AM ]

Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 12:53:
原來越位可以咁解嫁？
突然諗到好多屈機既FREEKICK戰術
咁有時旁證咪要走出球場先睇到邊個近底線多d？
過癮、過癮！

唔係咁解咁係點解？
球例唔通有兩種解法？

Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 13:13:

無，咁解實在太過癮

越位呢個東西根本存在灰色地帶架啦...


如果你話雲佬越位,
咁以後個個守方頂完角球都跳左出場扮傷架啦,
實吹攻方越位無死架喎...

如果你話雲佬無越位,
咁攻方因為守方意外受傷而入波又勝之不武喎...

Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by slwong3 at 10-6-2008 19:40:

......who is Engelaar.....

Have you watched the match last night
He played quite well and commentators talked about his name quite a few of time...
Besides Kuyt and Sneijder, I think he was the best player last night...

Edgar_Davids

Originally posted by goodtime at 10-6-2008 16:21:
唔需要再討論第一球係咪offside
唔計呢一個, 我都相信荷蘭會技術性擊到意大利

有冇巴打可以介紹
Engelaar係乜水, 點解可以踢到咁勁..

Orlando Engelaar, 28 years old, player and captain of Twente.
2006 left Genk to Twente due to his impressive performance in Belgium...
In 07-08 season, Twente was the first runner-up and even KO Ajax for a ECL Qualifier position...
No doubts that Twente did that simply because of him...

He is 196cm tall, that makes him one of the tallest players in the Eredivisie. Previously he was a center-forward, but being found that his aerial and passing abilities, he then being moved to attacking midfield and left wing, sometimes even defending midfield like last night. In spite of his size, he is very attack-minded.


In a nutshell, he has advantages below:
1. Height & Size
2. Passing abilities
3. Attack-Minded