Gretzky

With the JEDP, as I stated already..it's a hypothesis..not a theory....my main reason of disputing the hypotheis is I have some reservation of the E source (we know v. little about E). I don't have a whole bunch of evidence to put off the whole hypothesis, but i would not jump right into the JEDP bandwagon. Remember, this is only a hypothesis, not a theory.....so far the findings on the E source are insufficient to support the hypothesis to a theory.

Contrary to most believers, doubts on the accuracy of the bible began at the patristic period (where the early church fathers lived)...the church fathers actually constantly have debates on issues (including accuracy of the bible scripture) and their letters on those debates are made public. So doubt did exist back then. On post-hoc reasoning...I totall agree with you on the analysis of the modern day fundamentalist position (100% accuracy and literal). I can understand your frustrations of the prove-text reasoning when some headless Christian give this kind of response. But I do want to state the different genres of the bible are not there to defend doubters as a trump card.  We can go on and on with that...I personally detest this 馬後泡  approach. If there is something the bible does not say explicitly (like how old the earth  is, dinosaurs in book of Job, coning, etc.), who am i to impose a position on it?

One more thought I always entertain:  Do religion and science always need to be at war with one another? Are they intrinistically, and in their core principles, against the existence of each other?

With the figurative speech...you've  said 幾時用幾時唔用你又唔知. Let me give you an offer here...if you have a passage that you have doubts on the literally form...kindly quote the refrence and i will give you an answer to the best of my ability. You don't even have to tell me the rationale of yours behind the interpretation....once I give you an reply you can then judge me on whether I 'twist' the scripture to fit into my reasoning or else. :-)

Thanks for the reply and dialouge...let's continue with this level-headed communication.

Gretzky

a) Most of my readings are on secondary sources...one of my favourite scholar's work on the Pentateuch is David Clines's Theme of the Pentateuch. You can find bookreviews on his position on the documentary hypothesis.
b) Here I guess we are on different pre-suppositions:
- My view of the Creation is there is a god (regardness of who that g/God is) and this god created everything, including the physical world and the intellectual world (our rational mindset). So I guess our difference here is the views of God in the first place. I am assuming your view of the Christian God (or all gods) is that they are falliable and subject to the scrutiny of science and rational thinking, right?
- hmm...may i ask whether you believe in absolute truth at all? (absolute truth can be on science too)
c)I spent 10 yrs studying Hebrew and still can't figure out the meaning of 'day' in Genesis...as posted before, it can mean 24 hr day (日） or a period of time (楷斷...sorry for the mispelling). There are positions leaning towards both stands but no concluding arguments. I wouldn't admit there are answers on that (and I don't mind telling you I am perplexed too) at all. [color=green]But not having answers doesn't mean there is no absolute truth. And that's why I would keep seeking. In the meantime I would try my best not to let the personal bias affect my pursuit.

May I ask what is your ontology?

Gretzky

Originally posted by geese at 2005-7-4 09:28 AM:


先在此謝謝Avator兄教導我這白痴...

喂！老友 (geese)！你有無睇我D reply 架！

To mememe 學長，Thanks for the diligent follow up of the Clines pt of view. I know we don't operate on the same "OS" but am so glad to have someone who can actaully have meaningful dialogues with. There aren't many credible websites on the JEDP hypothesis...so maybe you can get the Clines book from a university liberary and have a look at his bibilo at the end of the book.

[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-7-4 at 11:51 AM ]

Gretzky

Originally posted by research2005010 at 2005-7-8 10:58 PM:
我地本來傾得好開心, 忽然有人走去版...

research 兄，

I just asked ceo to move the thread to 02 area 啫...if I have offended you...pls accept my apology. Sorry.


我D Chinese is not very good...I can only type a bit and I have no formal Chinese training after P.5...but I didn't mean to use my English as a dead weight to hit anyone.

I have to admit I do have some bias towards Mr. Cum...and that's probably why I overreacted. Once again, I hope you don't get upset at me.

Thanks.
Gretz.

Gretzky

甘....Mr. Cum...