brightlee

原帖由 arthur8088 於 2009-9-21 02:19 PM 發表


here's a little correction....the match started back at 91:0x second, and there's a substitution at 92th mins, (not sure whether you have to do the 30 secs injury time) i have to leave this to regis ...

Thanks for your great job!!!

This time, I could keep some rests, as you help me to explain whole scenario~!!!

I just check out whole situation as I watched the replay online

Carig Bellmary scored in 89.55
The game was restarted in 90.5x
(1 min extra add in time)
then Sub for Man Utd from 92.22 to 92.52 (exactly 30 seconds)
Michael Owen scored a goal in 95.28 (by theory, exactly 2 seconds left for the clock)
Then Man Utd got some celebration and the game restarted

Referee Martin Atkinson was really nice to Man City, he didn't blow his final whistle just kick off. He still gave around 10 second to Man City

Hey, what do you expect for some great referee job like him in this game?!

brightlee

原帖由 arthur8088 於 2009-9-21 06:21 PM 發表


yeh..that's what everyone's arguing about whether the ref should just blown off at 94th min~~

but i've sort of checked the FA rule, it stated the injury time from 4th ref is just a suggestion, the  ...

You are absolutely right!

The signal for addin time which is given on the field, which should be add it time BEFORE 90 mins. It is a good example for yesterday game that referee Martin Atkinson did some right job, to give extra time more than which should be given on the board!

brightlee

Yeah, I should say a bit more about add in time

When the forth official show up how many mins will be add-in. There should be MINIMUM time how they will add in in this game
for example, this game, the forth official was showing up 4 mins add-in time. That means, the game will be getting 4 mins to 4 mins 30 seconds if that's no drama in this 4 mins.

So don't be surprised sometimes even the 4th official showed up 4 mins add in time, at the end, the referee doesn't blow his final whistle in 94 mins 30 seconds

brightlee

原帖由 shehboy 於 2009-9-21 10:58 PM 發表
記得亞叔生前講過, 補時階段通常得幾分鐘, 所以除非有好特別既事(例如球員嚴重受傷或有人衝入球場生事), 否則唔應補上補, 唔係球賽只會沒完沒了, 我記得佢係講開加時比賽通常唔會點補時之後講開既.

足球唔同籃球,  ...

Sorry, the Law of the games has been changed ages ago.

Managers normally don't make subsitution during injury time. It is because they couldn't use "time wasting" streagy. It won't work, referee will add every 30 seconds for each subsitution! That's why managers don't do it nowadays.

Referee, Mr Martin Atkinson was doing right for add in time yesterday, as I wrote here. Add in time is competely different than normal time. Referee will count out every "time wasting" moment, i.e. subsitution, goal celebration, etc. Also when he told the 4th official, about how many mins add in time, there should be MINIMUM time the game should be added in theory, so if that's 4mins add in time like that, it could be between 4 mins and 4 mins 30 seconds (except the situation like that yesterday)

I am saying this, is from referee's point of view. If you ask 10 professional referees, they will give you same answer.

[ 本帖最後由 brightlee 於 2009-9-22 12:04 AM 編輯 ]

brightlee

原帖由 shehboy 於 2009-9-21 10:58 PM 發表
記得亞叔生前講過, 補時階段通常得幾分鐘, 所以除非有好特別既事(例如球員嚴重受傷或有人衝入球場生事), 否則唔應補上補, 唔係球賽只會沒完沒了, 我記得佢係講開加時比賽通常唔會點補時之後講開既.

足球唔同籃球,  ...

I give you another referee to talk about this incident, that's ex-English referee, Graham Poll


Havingwatched a complete re-run of Sunday's Manchester derby, I have toconclude that Martin Atkinson was absolutely correct and highlycredible in his time-keeping.

Mystery and controversy often surround the amount of additional timeallowed, but this is covered in law seven, 'The duration of a match'.

It is wonderfully ambiguous in listing the reasons why allowance for time lost should be made.

There are five listed: substitutions; assessment of injury to players;removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment;wasting time: and any other cause.

The final point makes it easy to understand the lack of clarity when a law relies on so much subjectivity.

There is no need to add time on whenever the ball goes out of play forthrow-ins, goal kicks or free-kicks, as they are viewed as naturalstoppages.

Referees tend to follow guidelines, which are that for every goal orsubstitution you should allow 30 seconds and then add a minute or twofor injuries and/or time-wasting, if they have occurred.

When there is a lengthy delay for a serious injury, it is often timed and added to the calculated time.

There were three goals and three substitutions in the second half atOld Trafford, which means that a minimum of three minutes had to beadded, plus a minute due to other causes, hence the four minutes whichwere indicated.

Then, in stoppage time, there was another goal and a substitution,meaning that at least one more minute had to be added, with a fanrunning on to the pitch taking up further seconds.

So, well done Martin Atkinson for attention to detail and to Manchester United for playing right to the final whistle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport ... med-just-right.html

brightlee

原帖由 shehboy 於 2009-9-22 03:25 PM 發表



唔駛sorry, 因為你講啲野o岩唔哂又錯唔哂. "i.e. subsitution, goal celebration, etc." 球例只有講"substitution", 但無講過"goal celebration".
"If you ask 10 professional referees, they will give you sam ...

Yes I am kind of frustrated when some people are saying the referee was bribed or corrupted.
I am definitely appreciated your point of view, even we may have different point of views.

If you ask me "goal celebration", I would group it to be kind of "time wasting" section. Of cos you may not agree about me. To prevent any argument from coaches/managers, referee will be adding any long "stoppage time" in add in time. That's why I think referee Mr Martin Atkinson did the right job, especially players were spending about 1 mins for goal celebration (in both incidents) during add in time.

From my memory, Arsenal did same thing about 2 years ago when they played Man Utd in Emirates Stadium. Robin Van Persie scored the winning goal in late (last attack) add in time, and referee still played about 10 seconds (like this one) after Arsenal did a really long goal celebration time.