Chenjinnan

How crazy? Charles Barkley listed at 6-6, but actullay only 6-4 (when you see his photo with MJ, he is shorter than MJ), he led rebound for several seasons.

No matter how today's superstars performed, none of them impressed me as CB. I am not saying they are not good, they are just performing "normally", and "logical". CB, he was just "abnormal", and cannot be understand logically.

Chenjinnan

Oh, I was wrong. I don't have that pic but I have the video. Too bad its in VHS and I can't upload..

I said he is "abnormal", coz he was standing at 6-4, and 255 lbs, can you imagine that? In his prime time, he dunked over all centers and blocked their shots. Rodman + Pippen together couldn't stop him. He once grabbed 33 rebounds. He can shoot 3s. I also remember that he once grabbed the ball and threw a long pass for fast break before he landed. He is one of the 4 in NBA history with 20000 pts, 10000 rebound and 4000 ast. (Kareem, Wilt, Karl, Charles). You can see that, except Charles, the rest of those with same accomplishment are "normal" one: they are tall and fit.

Why Charles impressed me most? Because he was short and fat. He had a guard's height, center's weight. It is different when we watched MJ's skywalk and jam, with MJ's best balanced height and weight for a SG, we simply like watching Tom Cruise getting the best Artist, very logical. It is absolutely different when we watched Charles dribbling behind the back on fast break, then crushed down several bodies and dunked. It's unbelievable. A guy like his height and weight shouldn't even standing on basketball court.

He once claimed that he is not role model in Nike's ad. But I think not. If you have MJ's body condition (or LBJ's), it is 100% possible that you can be a successful sportman. It is rare if you do not. But Charles proved that, even short and fat, which most people encounter the same problem in real life, still can be successful. He is not a role model for basketball, but he is the role model for life. He teaches us not look down ourselve, he teaches us to work hard and not to give up.

Shawn Marion? Too far for him to catch up with Charles.

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Chenjinnan

Heh I didn't say he was never blocked by others. If a 6-4 low post guy wasn't blocked by someone else, its really a miracle. Well, I've seen him blocked D. Rob, Mutombo, Mchale... and dunked over Zo, Hakeem, Shaq...

Webb is another abnormal case, I admit. However, Webb didn't reach where Charles did, and I can't really say Webb had a successful career, thus hardly can Webb be a role model for anything. (The only thing he can proof is he can dunk, nothing more)

Aside from archievement, I still can't agree Shawn is a CB type. They have a totally different game style. Shawn is a player that somehow rely on the team (Nash), while teams (especially Sixers and Suns) rely on Charles more.

What you think he is a Charles type I guess is he can rebound and score. However, if you watch their games (guess its hard to find some Charles highlight nowadays) and their stat carefully, they are actually different. First thing is rebound. Shawn get his numbers mostly on defensive end, while Charles was better on offensive end (4.0 vs 2.6 career avg). Well, don't say that because Charles was a PF and Shawn is a SF. If Shawn can do a better job down low, he can play PF (which this is the first thing different with Charles). For scoring, Shawn scores mostly on open shot or by layups/dunks, which both are assisted by others (mostly Nash), while Charles can create his own shots, and also create for others. Their assists avg can tell you about this. (which this is the second thing different with Charles). Shawn does better on long range and Charles was a huge force down low. (and thats the 3rd different).

Yeah Charles was troublesome off the court, but mostly from his mouth. He talked too much trash. But at least, he didn't rape women or hook up with drugs. He did a couple of fights tho.

The only player whose game was similar to Charles I can think of was Larry Johnson.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/larry_johnson/index.html

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Chenjinnan

Well, its more convincible for one with successful career than another without for being a role model right? At least Charles got conference title, MVP, all-star MVP, NBA First Team... He missed the ring only.

You can only say that Shawn and Charles are both undersized forward (this one I agree), period. But you can never say Shawn is a Charles' type. They have more differences than similarities.

I didn't appreciate Charles' fighting acts on or off the court either. (he didn't use gun, he himself was a torpedo already) Its bad. But hes not as worst as others' sexual lawsuit, firearms, drugs... IMHO.

Role model doesn't mean you have to learn everything from it, just pick the goods and drop the bads...

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Chenjinnan

Hahaha... pretty sorry to others that we have several posts here not related to Piston or Bulls...

Chenjinnan

Firstly, Webb will never as success as Charles. Secondly and personally, I don't agree Webb is successful, that's the point.

For Shawn, I guess I had clearly described what their differences between their game style in the previous post, so please read carefully. Also, if you say Shawn is undersize like Charles did, I again disagree. Charles is 6-4 and Shawn is 6-7. There are many 6-7 SF with good rebounding, like Richard Jefferson. But there are rarely a PF standing at 6-4, no matter he can score or rebound or what. Aside from height, Charles was simply a overweighted fat ball, while Shawn is in good shape. So from top to botton, left to right, they are no way similar. If you insist Shawn is a CB type, please give more actual examples.

I rather accept Shawn and Richard Jefferson are similar: same height, good rebound, 3s, quick, dunks... but I can't connect Shawn to Charles.

No, I don't like fighting. I always think all professional sportmen should behave themselves on and off the court. I was just saying that Charles did some bad fightings, which weren't as bad as sexual assault, drugs and firearms issue, nothing more. You can list out the consequence of gang fighting, but that didn't happen on Charles.

Chenjinnan

Sorry nope. I can't see he has a bright future ahead. His height is really impressive, but his dunks flash only in Slam Dunk Contest, not in-game. Charles monster dunk several times in-game, LBJ does, Kobe does, Carter doess... Webb doesn't. Going into NBA with his height was impressive, but not encouraging.

I saw what you wrote. I did point out that Shawn got his points by lay-ups and dunks too. (did you see that?) But, still doesn't mean he is similar to Charles. According to your theory, so all PF scoring in low post are similar? All PF scoring in low post are CB type? I bet you never watch how Charles plays. At least, even Malone was different with Charles. You know what? Charles played SF earlier in his career.

Charles Wade Barkley, although extremely undersized and overweighted, is one of the 50 greatest NBA player and future Hall of Famer, won MVP and allstar MVP... he is legendary. If you say no one can follow his path, you are correct, he can't be a role model in basketball. If you do not have born-advantages over others and think you are going to fail, look at Charles. He can be your role model. He already shown you.

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Chenjinnan

It will be encouraging if he is also Chinese. Many black guys under 6' can dunk you know?

Since I watched both of their low post actions, so I said they are not similar.

6-4 is common, 25X lbs is common, but 6-4 + 25X lbs for PF is rare. (I heard he reached 300 lbs once). A 6-4 + 25X lbs PF with 2X pts, 1X rebound is ultra rare that you can count it with your dick. (j/k)

Well, before Webb, there was Mugsy (5-3), he once was a starter in Hornets, and he can dunk too.

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Chenjinnan

I know of coz. I watched NBA since Dr. J, Magic, Bird...

Becoz even Mugsy (5-3) can dunk, so Webb isn't that impressed me.

And I know of coz, I watched a lot xxx.... hahahaha