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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:* L/ j. @7 v* K# ?1 y( [0 p
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唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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why?

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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:6 Y6 ]2 U, |9 T" E: ^8 e
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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  Z/ W8 v" A) r7 u9 AAgree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.9 c+ b2 N9 L; N3 Q0 l

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( s  p3 {; s1 h! U智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->5 C  R. I6 k# k+ J& W+ a( _7 Y2 Z

  ^2 x( J. L  D9 U$ c" F/ E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維5 u" x! Q- S7 h# U4 ~$ Z$ n

2 Y, e' H7 o3 J打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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$ d/ C) V. O9 z, D諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
  O) l- m/ F7 b: G" `5 l司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
" g% g  m2 v7 E7 Z- N4 {鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10
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陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維* d& }" J5 P; n6 e) n! x" v
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ Q# q: S) p4 V/ O& x

' C1 h- y" T/ k' y4 e# j$ D# e) Tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) o$ `7 |5 ]8 m' yBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" s0 k. ]9 }1 [7 a
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! E7 d# ^/ c/ w1 [他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.