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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:3 W+ s3 C6 C; M9 B3 |

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姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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why?

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' |5 K7 l3 j9 L4 R/ c2 e# @% k; w智慧高之餘﹐又打得! O& K. [- N6 U( l% |

3 d; U7 t; G$ b7 n% p4 z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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" j- t0 A) ?7 Bbut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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" u/ M" d& {+ e6 z8 S+ J# E$ i: r智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->1 R4 b1 r2 c' q& w8 V

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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:. }5 z5 p- g+ I% T5 y
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第一五分，第五一分
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' O7 O% C) s2 q: Y8 E諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10  \4 i/ f) U+ Y0 y( d: A: e4 ~+ _
姜維：2+1+1+5=9
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 H$ E% @# o/ ~$ o' {, z

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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$ M) t- H% `5 n! f打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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. k; E. \5 n% o! C9 H# Q他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. F4 _4 T4 e9 C) U
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& T, U" ]$ g) K+ h0 v* K他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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