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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:! p) M6 U% Q+ q( V& \6 C
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唔計司馬懿呢？

5 h9 U9 T5 K4 x( z" Z姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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5 ~& |% [8 [2 Y3 O8 x0 d4 d& Kwhy?

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6 {- X' d4 }  M5 i- Z9 x智慧高之餘﹐又打得  [6 G# Z# {  D0 ~

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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! |! r, w) z1 g4 g+ \but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.6 H4 K1 P1 A% h3 q
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: x. `: G8 {  ?8 Q4 N

9 i0 z* T* }8 H' i軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維! Y" P/ P, s1 w

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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:; [9 n' ?' }! P  ^
Just I think
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0 k( i( A# M5 |; M* T  e. a/ \諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
( v) Y5 X6 E: j- K司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16" ]* |& V( a. `; M  ?& M! m5 A
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10, \5 t0 y' [' a
姜維：2+1+1+5=9+ j. @7 Q% h! V; Y+ v( I
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: h1 K* \6 w2 _3 I5 _) \" Z
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- k2 r& G' ?3 O- w- H

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. t: y* C/ s* p6 F8 E, e) b
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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6 E1 L/ q! s0 d" z, XAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& @( c! X* J# z. F, {' H# ~5 N: a
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

) T/ d# z; I6 A6 ?yes, that's the point.