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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:3 T) }; a- ^2 N  E7 ^' [9 v4 ]4 n
姜維真係咁勁?
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Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:+ y$ T! f$ ?% M! p2 B
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yes...he was the great one to unified Chinese

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但孔明剛死時他才１３歲，怎能跟其他人比？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:! x1 @9 y7 k; {" \8 Y* q% ?
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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Just I think
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=159 U) D; i0 j4 m" M- G- u3 {5 g  y
司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
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姜維：2+1+1+5=9
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 c6 t6 S9 f% c# O0 M
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, B8 {1 p7 Y& f# D/ R# c
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# ^$ _+ k7 Z. w" M7 `" a5 T
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' u( U* B9 O  _, t5 P5 R6 u" n* f/ r
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機