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Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 12:31 AM:3 Q5 n3 B  N* V7 I
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This is a good po ...

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多謝哂. 在我的定義中, "努力"係指一個人無論做佢鍾唔鍾意的事, 佢都會全力以赴. 好似<長今>咁, 就算叫佢洗碗, 幫宮女按摩, 佢都全力做好. 呢d就係"努力".
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相反, 如果一個人有某方面天份, 但佢只係在這方面"努力", 做其他事就求求其其, 甚至有d事佢應該要做, 但係因為佢對呢樣野冇天份而唔去做, 佢都唔算係真正"努力".
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例如一個科學家佢對研究有天份同在這方面很努力, 但係佢表達能力極差, 如果佢唔"努力"改善表達能力, 佢都唔可以將d成果同其他人分享.

icefire

我覺天份90%, 努力10%
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奇

有天份又努力再加運氣就更好

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:2 j9 ?  A/ j6 D7 I# ^, w  S
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yes, i get yr poi ...

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psycho is hard~.~4 b4 Y& q; `& J' T; _! M" I% f
haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me# W( N9 T7 O) |% b
i'll try to think about it more deeply later on
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1 X% B' D0 Q$ E5 |7 Egood to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:& v4 }  Z) m. \/ u- Q2 G8 ^

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多謝哂. 在我的定義中, &quo ...

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我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了
( [) E0 P1 \$ K7 f0 d2 W* `! t以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀* Q& S9 v6 q  @
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哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心

singdotcom

Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 11:44 PM:
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hahhaa, 不用客氣
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1 n, Z- a& k; }, B. i哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.  X$ Y1 Q/ E3 `1 J, \& X) f) F& _

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jason williams

Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 11:36 PM:
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um...
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM:2 T  G- `5 h4 P0 h2 f
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哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.
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哈哈, 我都有少少離題了

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哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢
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你有無試下答大義滅親果條呀, 都幾好玩嫁   <----- 哈哈, 剛發現你答了, 多謝支持
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[ Last edited by crap on 2005-4-27 at 02:39 AM ]

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM:- \; W9 {6 h/ ~$ I: k/ V% A
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

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6 e9 U" ^/ s3 Hhaha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally)2 \' t& V% R7 h) p* G: {: |% F
pls enjoy2 a7 ~6 C! o: O! |+ ?3 {4 r9 G

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Give it a go if u have time

jason williams

haha, leave jor some comment about it la" X0 a0 J3 N: Y7 Y
besides, crap! interest to ask u' Z8 x0 A3 [. P0 E8 Y) k, p& N2 h0 u2 A
which faculty u are studying, u seems interest in thinking and doing research on social, psycho and philiosophy!