Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 D6 z$ V, L$ m4 s; q% s# z5 R1 ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ Q8 f& K# N6 C8 }; C: i% i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 P2 a( W, g9 l" C4 ?" }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 U0 E; _9 g7 i7 I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ }$ W8 w$ G  _8 X. d- M+ O* w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# w$ p9 Y6 Z' F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( I- U2 x! N# {# X; t( n  bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 I3 e, }) f* u( P+ s我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( M  ~5 y: R. g真的!!這不是反話2 e6 I4 y  j5 P  t: v$ A6 \
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- c$ }0 P1 h  c1 c9 M" n- c: O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, b9 s$ @. |7 q+ s/ p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' H% N- Z( G1 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: ~( U( k9 p9 g% W' f6 F4 s! o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. M3 q% a/ |# \$ `- K/ p- A

4 C4 F. Y. U/ p3 AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 \+ [6 S. `. {( O' {

4 K; C0 ]6 b& r/ U% e* aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- j: N. w3 P0 Q  f/ }2 E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 f/ v2 F0 {2 `5 q* E) b# w/ Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ X) {9 _1 W- p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- O* y" c: v! B1 u- i
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% y* K' b+ S- iit's starting because we have sins......
, o2 W" C! F: T; F0 esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! d$ ]& ^5 E7 k2 e  j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# t% L5 K) T- J+ B: C) U只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% ^% R* |4 ^: z  X4 C+ q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. X6 e0 y9 ]+ f- i) @1 I% ^" ^3 |4 C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- F. c, s1 Y. [! l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; Q$ c: {. v; d  E- r8 K0 N4 F. p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ L' W' e* F; ?5 p5 X

5 q" c: P3 C2 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  |3 O& I8 k# o: Q5 O" M) q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' V+ a/ a" ?# |7 U

: X! s4 G. |  I) [- y% s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 e9 Z) P9 B0 E2 F3 l2 G改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- S4 ?/ N! m; z: C/ L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  ~$ R+ `) D% ]9 }6 W8 V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" X  G& \1 f; }+ u; h以下是其他人的見解,- U7 w, |0 @' N3 ~5 i5 M; ?9 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) Q* y* O  f1 H/ s/ R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& f) E$ o+ ]- o' N; R& H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 b8 L- i+ R' ?4 Z: `6 k  y4 @5 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ Y3 x) [. D: ~

5 N; Y" l% T: g4 Q- e7 S/ }5 i, a( J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" {4 Y& N6 d+ J.............信耶穌... ...

1 X/ _% @. ?/ ZRegarding the resurrection..... E% f. J' O  j3 E8 Z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; O/ `' [4 r# j9 ]" g) C( gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.