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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ k. Z3 w/ l$ Z( n4 @
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
- x- `6 l+ f4 K2 q* H* q' L( WI was so confused.....
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( T/ w' B! G" B, d講到尾都係賺錢; O- I' a" O' W7 I
so銀行可以不斷放款1 K0 V; r! D( e. l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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1 Q0 x  d! }9 ]% I8 dmortgage loan / `7 x8 ~8 ]  W, a& |- F, n
>conduit
* ^2 |) j5 G* }9 V9 J# O4 Y>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- ?2 h, l0 ^( {' Q+ |+ T- T" j
>arranger
4 a' ^% N" s9 L2 B: ]! e" ~>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)8 d# B' H2 ~7 W* d* s* A& f. y3 X- i
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 V1 ]/ W* m0 k$ zCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ p' r4 A) P* B+ C# L, xmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." I3 z2 b0 L, s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  a* [  }  x: q# ]/ y( g: k1 K
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 o  A9 w- m. h( q  I5 o, H- j9 _
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
  C4 s. ]) M& K$ j4 y, Psimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 Q3 D0 {* n+ I' I: Q8 j7 _normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 d  L8 T/ B3 ~2 E) Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 f& ~- a: j, \& X' T) G: K/ dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) K/ a" V/ I4 u# _( P( V

0 ^( m; A5 ^! @& Cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
+ t0 r5 n- ~. c! uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 }1 s# _6 ~& qFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ I+ Z' x: {7 Q2 ?8 h
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' T4 `, b1 d# R' TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 |6 T! O2 X6 d+ s$ lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.' W1 V( k  Z! J8 e- T9 a

" {) C* ]0 t  |/ f' E[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: K6 j6 k/ |: x# N7 M8 URefer to last example,
, R# T' L7 ~4 U% m; F% mthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
4 O8 p# s! g. z4 g. W, yBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * L6 u$ `6 h& f5 _! y: w& i
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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' p& P- [  c' g* i/ r2 ~. m/ ~! TA->B->C->D->E
! x/ ?: p" l3 B- D; F- w# d2 aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, " Y. V! I/ D, _+ |$ g
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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9 |6 t% o! \& G0 [6 othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 y6 ~# C1 r: e& A6 F+ h
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / G/ D* ^; o- b. Q; ~
it's the problem of the debt itself.5 G/ j3 b! N) f0 D, {; O
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ~- C0 Z3 {& g2 \1 Y- q5 @1 p
小弟一直都唔明...3 t* u% R. H5 r& |
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% }8 o5 ]" t- u

7 I" H/ {' V3 Q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...# h; o7 a3 u7 V) z$ v+ V
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敬請各師兄解答# h/ D& I5 J! |7 ~# F# r( i! J

, ^, X# F9 {) V* l, ~. wThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
5 m% Y# k  f5 r2 v9 C% {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  m& U& I  b6 a* {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* ]' b/ k0 r0 x) u" ]6 y2 H
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  P9 {$ T( j( ?& ?# Q* ~  r: R個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
# m0 N; t9 q4 a) q  q! h扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 v0 i: G9 Z  d) Z4 [' f* d計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺% v6 E' X  z/ R7 K/ n4 J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( }+ j/ A4 K; `7 b同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; `$ c8 ]& ~+ k但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 t* f# m: e4 n5 n1 v例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" q- F, L: d. R8 {咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
, y$ C- e# I. y" t- a3 G; z) i所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% t1 H! M. ~. b- I3 ~  ]9 |

( J# p, H: |1 D0 {2 I2 W0 n7 P你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - x7 M5 C) M# E9 g2 J- `
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 }3 G% a& G3 q! w; i7 g; D6 [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 E5 R$ m( M8 T  M* _  p& Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ c7 I7 T# l4 ~. e2 s/ Q8 C2 r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& k8 |/ ^9 a3 J4 J+ v4 w5 E' n' @5 ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 g) y% M; b7 Z, M* G' `) b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / @, S8 p. C: M! h
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ j- t9 P+ B' V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: ^$ _, Y8 ]  L1 `! }6 j3 y; y正係咁樣4 @' N! I3 I; l* S8 N. K
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 d2 I8 o1 j0 \+ Z6 h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 c0 K; }. I2 M* E: b

; b3 B2 g1 Q6 c9 J2 L2 k再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
6 K  o% g+ T# Z$ N% y6 G% \# k7 `連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 {% J# [) H4 d: x5 B0 z0 n
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產/ }- z7 n) {6 z6 n9 ^4 e! A1 W) n
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- k) O3 G3 W- n5 M. {, P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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! j4 X, z& p" w7 q  L其實係.... ~6 b9 }% l2 F) E6 Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 C5 Y1 ~, p, \" Y# B1 |/ f而家就要多生產, 少消費
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