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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* w8 C( Q% a* ^6 {/ E" ]7 ?
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# T, ]' u: Y4 `- S9 w7 s! y+ vI was so confused.....
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- J! i9 F, X# N( h! k6 n講到尾都係賺錢* m$ L, ^$ H; G; j
so銀行可以不斷放款3 J' [6 F: i) K/ m. i( h6 Z9 I
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( X) a! x( a% _: cmortgage loan
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! F& A! C6 g& }& [7 Y) J+ e>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)  D' R- A7 p/ }6 u  t% }
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: r# K& m0 |6 [, ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ m' f3 D! H7 Qmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 x- Y6 {7 T$ B, d) K& b: xmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 f2 T: \6 n/ ]' h3 p& J& f  w- k; \
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 q# }) J! @7 h- h* _Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 Q% j9 W0 g. ~. H  t2 k: p  Q, Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* w5 l: k9 [" ^4 H! }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * L6 u) V+ R0 X) G
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ l  R* i3 j$ R  Ybanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., L+ G  e, E( G/ I5 R& I: @6 x( S7 U
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 @$ v0 L3 M+ L* W; E2 m2 R
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 n" B4 u8 A) p/ ]! lA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: ]2 _' n  R4 T1 pThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
( Q8 M6 y3 d8 j) D- \5 |but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. }, o- h; a+ ^$ C6 V
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# U5 a% e9 i! x7 T  C0 S
Refer to last example,
- L% _/ ~7 x' m/ [1 B6 K# }9 a0 ~9 X" }that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 I5 v" b! P9 Q- u0 ~9 F5 H+ p- g5 yBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % T/ w! a) V2 b  _( |0 \
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 f! L, z# m$ }9 M, Z* Oso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) R3 T4 L2 F1 S/ p/ y7 n- P
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?& h6 J5 Z& m( u0 P5 [1 A5 j

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, m5 {0 {! v# Ythe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
: Q$ ^( e: H$ t: W1 q6 }in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* m) K, i' s: x( p2 sit's the problem of the debt itself.4 v7 Y# ~6 Z& V; {( ^
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) v/ j9 m& v; i4 \3 y
小弟一直都唔明...& l" ~# R5 }3 B6 B- z

5 E/ `  n4 |$ L2 X6 I0 i3 P全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...2 {7 _( I* B. ~
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敬請各師兄解答# @# L- w0 o) a# [% s* T( ]
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  3 t) e$ x3 m1 r4 f/ p4 O. U
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* \$ H0 q" W" [& c: M

  i* z, j+ L) qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 C0 e! F$ O1 `7 r- t+ M當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ ?. r2 x/ }4 `6 C$ u: X) ?% R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, H( \7 _* F, r- |& d
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
% O+ h: C' r5 J0 G& W扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,% X5 |0 @5 v- `- f
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
! A! T0 a5 o& D$ G: Q+ K8 A) J前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! o, _4 p! c! q" Y) S. w" t
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得( E2 m2 m: d( @" v3 O
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 C% L# y/ x  L. [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * i3 [2 K2 o+ m6 I/ ^' ], K! A
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' [  \$ I' ?3 {
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* p; n6 [+ ^. a+ `0 X

5 s; B( U2 {# w; G9 ~4 N你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 U) q9 S- X) d! t+ `9 c
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; n4 x# f9 G3 m5 |" J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 [' X4 D5 B5 O% g
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 p/ E. ^! r) q3 v) Z5 v
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! U0 |: j% G2 b9 v3 \% n
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 `0 P' G1 ?7 Y. P: d9 {4 ~. ?/ X
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* F6 S- x! h# }6 r6 X
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣( T4 ~1 g3 {1 W5 L( P- ?) M. w
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業/ x7 i( F' p& m* M" \' |/ H2 i
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( B, u4 q7 a0 F9 e' j# |
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 L, L. P2 t$ g: M4 U7 p
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- R$ y/ I$ e) u3 s
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; p0 C0 R8 L5 o8 m  ~7 k編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' A; F6 I2 Z' g咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: r9 N( ~5 ?1 z  y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
- D0 N* D1 y6 ~! @& `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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