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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 d5 g6 q; C. q7 S; tWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 E' S- n; y- G6 x8 f% _
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢% K- c1 r! O. [# s+ f9 h
so銀行可以不斷放款+ U; l% r/ w7 N: G! R& u- @! r! s4 M
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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- `# f: k3 N# k6 U9 a& _* nmortgage loan
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( g  ]; G9 M0 e% v% A>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" o7 t' U; L' W$ c& P
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! \6 g3 I4 Z9 {. d# O, z& bCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 _4 U2 }9 j% M) ~
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ S: f, f( n, B2 h( E/ a2 N
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! O# D8 w7 m5 ~% d, e6 x! a
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( ^3 I9 \% V$ Q. X, a9 C% j: `0 B4 uAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 O5 s( W5 {7 N- S1 {
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 j, a5 q% y3 e( ~6 X, R9 wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
- k5 A8 e1 x" ~) q5 ?5 A5 Veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& w, ~9 f8 q$ V8 Z" L1 mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." Z! I. M6 ]$ }- s6 q

$ P5 z$ j: }7 e6 h% `% Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
2 N  @1 y0 {3 U' s2 ~! pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* L' \4 `9 `( A
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
# f3 v" N9 G; M+ f+ n8 k9 [) {7 o+ QA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 {1 B; J: N$ f- L2 V5 {& YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 h. v& W9 J5 s8 `, u4 W
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 \3 S: V+ i0 t$ t6 T/ P# W
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 ?" Y/ ]2 U! O& w6 B4 v5 `4 F: ^Refer to last example,+ t0 v! K  k/ |5 F
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 0 K8 E9 {, Q0 n6 V
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 ]8 V8 v) a) a. n! s! z# ?2 G' E' g
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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# A8 X. F6 X. {1 E* o) B9 t2 YA->B->C->D->E% W  H& n/ H- f' L- s# @
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 W* x* W0 `# Y- l
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 r- W. V+ r2 K. r; w6 Din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / ?0 T: e) Q8 s
it's the problem of the debt itself.- i  G+ |% W6 U' ^
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! ]! z( T4 W8 P9 y; X& ]4 V
小弟一直都唔明...& X$ i0 H! N) Z2 P

6 i2 A  t0 C1 u& p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ y1 E6 W/ ^. t8 x

2 F2 w% h& ~  r% f/ l+ S6 ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  y7 b5 _& @! X7 p$ t0 X
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
/ E- J* ]! G7 Z那些根本係 紙上財富  8 ]' x) p+ A& W% a2 Y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' {( w* z' ?4 V4 e: f. ^
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 q) U2 g0 _' |" V: i$ L1 M
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ D; S$ n% M4 |% a. V3 k% j- [6 ?7 N
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊  M0 R7 y( m7 j/ Q& p
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  d5 @$ t4 \6 L& z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ |; S8 y$ j" n9 _
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
! }2 T5 R- |% z1 p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 j/ q3 l/ E9 M# G& ^' @1 j同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: w& D1 t# |; y) B
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, z7 l) d" B/ C2 S# o4 w
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ! N& _( D' A7 x; s6 G
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 @% S- l- {. S  c  V所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& Y, ]* A' @$ y) T2 X2 L6 E1 q8 K但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, g1 I$ ?3 x1 ]+ Z1 h: ~淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 b9 M! L5 j! @' m: G' P3 s
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. G1 ~/ U4 p) m4 z5 F& E; W
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' R; m* Z) y8 H唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; X$ [% B' a( y5 ]: l& x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* c3 G/ d" P/ J. p( _呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# z' T7 v$ C+ r5 X9 S
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣6 J: `* p0 f) @' V7 h. @
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 _$ B# y; E5 @4 h' o2 l9 Y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 z- J0 F( R' ?2 P* X3 @8 t
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- \+ r. g' X9 G! ~) Q5 n1 F; H8 W
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% _/ U7 y+ l. J一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 D+ v9 I. t* n7 A編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) |& _- \  u; W8 v
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
8 u! g; J! v; u) P/ o/ e! w因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 {8 Z+ x& O) ]; t8 _* Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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