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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ d2 N: k( Y. o/ u# a8 s, o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* O: e# W  q0 p& J# L1 J
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, |0 ~+ a& w% a9 {9 x& G' A( Y* [' u/ M/ l
so銀行可以不斷放款
2 K+ y: A; }% g5 J美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 C: V' j! e! P2 D2 I; O* c

9 k5 y3 ~- t: K4 q7 ~  t  U3 Omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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8 _% U* V+ Y+ K% P0 M>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)6 c: ~& Z, y  C
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 E/ l! w; P# A, e" a, BCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 R7 n: [. j, f1 x9 cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 k6 Z9 k7 X# E
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ }/ l2 e+ I5 S' I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' D/ M: _: K* @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: z1 J* n/ \# Z5 Y. M6 S6 \9 s& C
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 ~* D4 J# v$ G* f5 ~+ O3 K$ D
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 n$ w+ p/ y& G# weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 p0 J5 L6 u* z2 L/ Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., W% B( u& T- L
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
, P+ ~3 Z, c8 [) m! m, ?in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 c3 X" L* n! n' JFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,& x. J, Z, D7 D9 `' f. k
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ H% A  Z, K+ @* }$ F+ Y* n7 L4 ^0 A
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! V; d( w. T$ S
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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/ X2 |$ T5 N" h0 k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 ]3 Z; p" m0 m: _) IRefer to last example,) J4 \2 w  `: ~, \: Z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# b7 b3 Y5 c4 {" dBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 U8 C7 q0 [( D" Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ Q$ c" E9 P7 b0 V( E' J& QA->B->C->D->E
8 Q" [- d2 X2 k4 |( ?+ Q) sso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 K( _' \  i" u
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?& j2 _( u4 q+ q

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7 t0 W6 g2 s: W' Zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 r5 r! C. O. W, {, \) H
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ k( N; H. x; i5 Z  \& K" o
it's the problem of the debt itself." }5 v* I4 p0 X2 ]1 X
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& P- b; i0 A* [% ^小弟一直都唔明...: ~7 L1 u1 |- `9 y6 q: ^+ V

, Q  i! n) Q  u全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 W# b# X; j/ m) U5 A

4 U& e5 [. A2 g% t& U6 F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( F9 p1 t3 N- W/ K# t
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  2 o( \+ X5 ]. W. g( S
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% t- z* I2 y* q

6 f1 y0 y+ u- j' u& ohttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ U3 U. p. n5 @# @* c+ X當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& _9 ?. H; U. `7 W  z& a# F7 a1 g' m於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 T$ k4 Y0 Z: k# b$ E
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! \  y4 f1 w. h5 k
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; y) k; N( `. i) v) x計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺, z: S$ E% l: @. f/ \
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法; w/ ^% a; g' X8 [! Q8 u
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% I# J/ m3 y3 ]: {$ |4 L. x! W
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  k2 j6 L( F+ t- B* X3 ]% b例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # A9 s; Q& F  i1 t1 y2 V$ _7 V
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
6 x9 |9 M  Q% C6 g  P! F( l所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" L8 h- I: H) H9 [# J* x( F但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 _( a; Z4 t3 K" k5 H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# Q8 v( L! }' A' r& O! o  `呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- z# B) c: z# D; a" C. r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 i6 b2 }+ x5 Y) [! `正係咁樣  }& j% P4 a8 A. p& j  Z1 r$ s
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- \0 s# y& F4 p' \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' }5 s$ G7 m% |; n0 x
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
1 f8 F; {$ C! G" J* q一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% x& M" @- {0 W' @+ a% j
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( N' G4 ~" S% ]2 M咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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3 v' E4 I6 \' u" S0 `其實係...5 O" [$ P9 D' K; Y0 v
因為以前未生產, 先消費2 _0 \4 e3 ?: b( y0 `
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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