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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" C7 B7 r" W* T
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" l8 q" ?. m7 u# @$ N5 KI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 m- C2 H% k9 Dso銀行可以不斷放款
8 T' e6 I1 f, e- j4 l- L美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 ]; r5 ?) [% u5 J6 k' Rmortgage loan + V* U" t3 x3 h+ v6 [
>conduit
- \# m" H/ `, y( n( I>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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* l$ g0 F: m* Z1 N4 I>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
* ~1 H2 K5 [* \! j. g) _最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
8 b% G; J. k# b) m& }( wCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ Y" M) B8 x1 o8 b/ a) N! ?  q( f
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." G' G9 R/ z( S& X6 _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. ]* ?8 o& O( C2 y3 r
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
4 }4 X6 q0 s8 S# y( _( RAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' N( g* o7 B! A  o  @& d4 N
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' w; ~( L# N7 f- k
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 E3 [, Q/ @9 z5 Q  }5 A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& a0 d' ^; ?3 dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ B, _8 j( A& \3 `, `  Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 R8 b0 o( Q; m& [7 f' M3 C& i. Y/ {2 lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- [' P5 I" M8 M3 X0 X, ?1 |
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% y! F  `2 ~4 rA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: s- o0 R0 e5 J. C% z' }- s0 i
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
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9 _: Q) G3 f- o& ~5 N& X- b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, l) @- ?: V. y% i3 a/ ?
Refer to last example,
8 _4 r9 [8 Z! K8 `$ \- b# V+ U$ Qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ n% t/ |6 ~$ ^( {& b& n; d
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
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/ D+ _# Y% Y" _) uA->B->C->D->E
/ b2 \, E  R8 Cso does it mean if E failed to pay D, / Y/ }4 @6 e/ F+ ^, w* X
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 z6 M4 q) J0 W6 m$ E+ y3 X

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & ^! L. F6 T0 n! S$ `3 J
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
6 J7 \" L/ h1 I) h; p' Ait's the problem of the debt itself.3 e9 L2 ^" `; e  K1 Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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7 I' U4 t3 B7 h+ Y" B無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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+ c% U. R! ]0 k  ]7 sThanks
- p$ I2 c+ {/ S6 c3 F- `( k) v那些根本係 紙上財富  0 U0 ?; a8 h8 `
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic& X. V& \3 V) ~6 N* P

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ }5 M7 I2 Q. }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, o) c$ U# w0 D7 p6 [* Y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& ~; v) h. G: R0 {6 H
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺) H4 L5 k6 F9 e7 t( {( ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 o5 |' Q/ X. N, q+ O同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
- |2 W- Z3 f  o& T. G0 m8 J. J' P但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺( F, o2 b  e  g& x& s+ A& b
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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7 _8 `1 n8 J; F: _0 j所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁4 l( v& }/ U- p* e

6 M0 q3 a+ @6 J1 ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . D& h3 j0 X2 e5 @* j# G. o. O
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( `2 F& ~" q/ e$ q- k  z- F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ q6 a, Q4 C* r% P% `呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ]: ^5 v8 r& H# H唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ t( H9 r' R, u9 |8 d+ t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; |- i  v( O3 }3 a' Q1 C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- F) o( T  u# Q/ K& A/ f
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. l8 m: x- b  h一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 c: T- ]6 x& w2 J7 C  ]& W編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 k) G( @+ t7 ^% x3 P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- e7 o4 O9 ?8 j5 h其實係...
3 w5 L/ O+ S3 s, `; t3 y因為以前未生產, 先消費% {* D- c0 M! V
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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