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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ~" S0 p& Y' k5 p4 k* J( ~Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ D; \- Y9 U7 f% ]4 {; [
I was so confused.....
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6 b0 f' Q& b7 @講到尾都係賺錢: M$ h2 R- ^4 T2 X5 \- I3 L% }# O' ]
so銀行可以不斷放款
( w1 C- b: M7 M4 I6 E, ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 `1 [. t" B9 n% E3 X! Bmortgage loan 7 T+ G% ]1 G# \
>conduit5 B: R  S! t5 W# r( ~- |- ^1 {' F2 G4 K
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)2 ]# F/ B* Q- e0 j
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 V6 A' T7 x, D& {' Y0 O$ u
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 K" r* s) h2 P, L( m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! G: ~4 j% n7 p0 \& i$ u! ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
5 u* W% n6 l% ?' F2 R0 O6 O6 O, {in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 ?# z2 P% k" b3 v- G; D" N# qAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
" ~7 l" I4 K% z6 o' Z7 I# _& Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,& G! {3 `2 j# }" {0 q9 d# E
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% p9 z" F  d9 u. ?9 m9 t9 eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
  c5 y  I' U2 Mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* `8 G- }; g) z2 |7 @" p8 ?
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
+ A& F# k/ z; E# Zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards., I; P& L5 M3 a& X
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,+ I% S7 X# U0 w' J% h4 d$ X% d
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.3 ?. H7 h: S0 J$ t+ D7 _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - K' s  y, P" a& \1 r1 J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 T! i( h  D( ]! E9 ^' y
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' v* P9 f. `$ c( o. i' C4 s* |
Refer to last example,
( o3 f( M( s5 `1 B" M0 E6 Q4 Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% M7 {' x! f3 s1 A8 T; \1 T4 D! tBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' l( n6 Q% j+ Gtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  y7 p& D) t- u8 \! W& X7 gA->B->C->D->E2 L/ x# M2 w/ n9 z: t. y7 M
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; W' B) }5 k5 f! \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?6 X0 f1 u! j7 X) _# z1 N- G! L
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; x# H& o! n+ bthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / S8 r6 _  X) e# H- [9 D! ~
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 {+ J- x! R* t; Y% j- _1 |it's the problem of the debt itself.( d  g# @/ Y4 m; k* W
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! ]% c  Y9 h; D! c' }/ s3 }
小弟一直都唔明...7 `: x# N) P, t3 v: U

8 C! t5 V, Y* l# _$ M9 ~5 ^/ R全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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, |: y+ P2 R! t1 P6 f8 J0 |無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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! f, k( Q8 E" T  f, L敬請各師兄解答
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& P# @. J7 C; [/ |Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  4 o2 M$ S" z0 W: [
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( W: D3 B% B' e) H當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高7 i" Z( D5 k3 j5 z" b
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ E0 Y/ c3 H& D" P0 L1 t
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 @8 K$ p% x  d, S: A+ E扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 B: d$ W* R5 g- W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺& T8 I, {+ x7 O9 |
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) S1 E" w; i3 \: \+ r! l; g
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 c9 u# k0 G: F3 O5 r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 n% C+ T$ m$ U. {7 a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 a  K4 U. Y8 x* D咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, u% V( O) A, N) M- V) t
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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9 q( h0 {" I# l$ F- H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 U, n9 X- l" E# d! G但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, V# i6 F1 g$ j: c; L9 p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 Q( a6 B# P3 h: ]; X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 n4 [) t- R; ^9 w) E' q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 H4 ?- d! O) c7 s7 s" i唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; @$ G; U4 a6 j! {/ X& e% b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣6 ]" [" [) p: A* `& {
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; M4 T) G. ]- G
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ A$ s$ ^+ I* h4 r4 X5 b

# Y6 l! s9 Y  w3 H再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 @1 A/ n. N$ y0 P連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& B0 M: Y9 U& o& G6 r2 I
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 o/ ~% g) g. S9 L/ k5 @編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) i% W" M2 Y0 x. f
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...; [( {/ I% @( \5 l4 P  E+ o* O
因為以前未生產, 先消費- C7 ~7 S0 l' s" o) ]
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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