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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* ^+ B( V  x. d( F6 LWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???0 ~) ^7 |; H7 k9 b
I was so confused.....
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$ v, l7 G  o% M6 @6 P講到尾都係賺錢
! `* ?+ ?$ J# L* Jso銀行可以不斷放款" x  o3 x2 C8 p: o* x0 U$ o0 r! ^
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界* T* Q' C2 O, {. F' }) y- e$ b

6 z( X  I; N3 R0 m7 r/ O7 E% N0 lmortgage loan 7 j/ g( ^5 v- e& C
>conduit
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)4 z6 Z* U( a3 s/ c$ N! t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
* d4 c$ M1 H! m+ j# lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& `, j" T  r0 ^4 V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" n) R) v8 @6 o$ [" Q. mmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. y  r$ l! R9 Z: ?& S9 U- r6 U
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.  C. _3 }* e5 @% j# _) C
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 H. |- \0 y' W- O* `1 h" s
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,. K; x" j8 x0 Z- l3 T
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
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banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 z9 ~3 z9 Y" Win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards." Z% }9 E3 i% s; h$ k2 [
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; |5 w: ~7 }- p1 ?1 @5 ?/ h
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., R8 Y# y9 ]2 L" ?' ~; a
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 _. c: j5 ~! O( V$ Ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% x+ L: ~' O+ Y4 g* m
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- D  K# n5 h9 `, m# @" ZRefer to last example,9 x, h7 r8 z6 f! ]
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
- K1 _0 V7 ]' c/ t6 m/ gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
. ?& |* L2 ^  \, D3 M6 `therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
' `% E7 f( K7 dso does it mean if E failed to pay D, % r( W1 ~+ H  a' ^
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 A( D* s  K# i6 Pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
6 x" d; }7 [% C& eit's the problem of the debt itself.
6 a9 ?8 s! K! h  G' B* I: V* K, {the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 m& S2 i  M& m& E6 C  {% |8 l: F. z小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( a* g( |5 {3 Q  d. Y" h無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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6 i6 P0 R# h% f敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
& g4 U: E: A3 J0 O! b" {" R$ |- [那些根本係 紙上財富  
* A. u7 ?7 d9 j  e1 i各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic. }# s$ E8 t( \% Y- ^9 f
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) ~, G- N' N1 x8 u* _當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 j$ s' C0 V# e7 I$ Z  V2 N- k
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. V4 e; T: x1 q  ?) K) Q
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
+ j$ t! h9 F3 V扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' w8 d0 `/ I0 c" i+ G9 p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ z' ?9 H( ^. o9 e
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法4 {+ G# d- M  k) B3 D
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 h& w* |% k# }: s+ T但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. D7 L$ O; ]/ J; f5 a8 y4 R
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . u: ]/ b8 M; O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%5 g% s: ^2 u  P  [# S; O$ ?
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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2 k3 _# l# N% V: S% Y8 G6 _' y你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * ?  A3 Y3 F# U& V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / n& u8 Y# o% s3 G9 d1 z& x, M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " L9 R: C  q! m0 b! W
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, \3 l3 |& v! `$ S% b2 t/ i( ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' {5 T$ l) h6 {1 F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
7 Y; S4 @; C, }呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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! x: O) |0 E4 D3 Y正係咁樣
2 n& f2 a# N( b5 _/ W其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, L* k6 I7 E0 b0 V
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" g! Z8 E+ j5 k& M# R* p連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- V3 @8 V4 r, L
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! X( Z# p) r7 v' Z( f% G1 b編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 i& d3 K8 E: J+ r0 ]咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 \- ^4 N6 a) b因為以前未生產, 先消費
, D& U; S3 q+ `* p+ X: Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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