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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 A0 c: L/ M' D& i: J. w
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* H8 F- l' f! Q- S
I was so confused.....
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. o, ?( V; w+ x. ^9 e講到尾都係賺錢
$ I) ^3 t& k. H2 ^+ H" Y; U+ Jso銀行可以不斷放款
6 g' }2 C1 S4 X% F3 p3 g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 2 q% H7 E! L  V# P
>conduit0 I; L: E7 ~' X( g- U2 ?0 R5 q
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 n5 q% m9 U9 ]8 _% @
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
# J0 A3 Q) r) T  r+ ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- P( x7 O" E) v% S6 Lmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." F1 J' L" E7 J; ]! q3 J0 s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; [3 ~/ s  A/ c! q0 R
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: B. B4 V+ e$ v9 ~' b! cAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  V9 H6 _" x  O; f' e& |2 Y
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
( d) F. L  H' z( B# s5 inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + s/ V# ^( x  v  u( N, }6 n
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 o) N- B$ g5 [6 Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 j% i# Q; [" p6 U) y
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 e! p5 \, {. C- U; c: T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, C7 b( D* m/ M& M5 u* FFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," A+ ~( v" ~0 M- Z, O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  Q8 G- k7 \0 G' A' e! n
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! |1 o2 C' x1 t+ ^4 Q/ d- Mbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, r* Z8 }# k) F5 J. I  b" Y
Refer to last example,* A# U9 Y2 c. u8 |
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: r$ y1 }6 E5 E: Y0 |, T& {# S7 N8 CBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; f0 f0 L+ o$ qtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ [' R9 j+ v' A- _8 W8 F* }A->B->C->D->E
0 c6 S% r; y. p& L0 w# }) nso does it mean if E failed to pay D, - }6 v# x, Y- e" N
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ! w/ {  z9 z7 K1 g) h3 _3 _$ l% ?
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 e4 {) U) }3 D+ k9 K9 @% ]& S
it's the problem of the debt itself.
3 f0 v8 Y% W3 u9 lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?# t0 _1 x3 K% S. M
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 k% Y6 V& D) e$ J9 K6 b) r

6 s0 [2 i7 I; G! a, D# U敬請各師兄解答4 ?, {3 B" T/ {# a

: v' e" e7 H( x. EThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
- K+ n$ {$ H5 v5 r% Z各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  [* c- L( R8 z+ W5 z9 f當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* I( v# V" x# _  T4 V/ D6 ]
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
/ }, H3 W1 T. ^! F個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- Y. N0 ]( Q0 Y2 P' w. w1 `
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,# @5 E0 R1 M0 O  J3 p# T
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ I6 T: A/ L/ W  C, X
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 {, M* q+ y- ?% _2 _( s6 {$ |
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
3 _4 x9 x  l0 v0 ?" ]" U6 Y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  I( C' u0 K& F/ }例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ X( o) `* e. u$ S; n: E咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 F/ f4 a6 S7 E所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 C. f8 u5 D2 Q# K! w
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 F* L! i' K+ ?3 k
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  U( C  j; ?0 L. y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& K# J2 x2 R  A$ S: H呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 x( g% ]! O3 H4 F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ N5 _* F- u) v0 I0 v淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ q/ ]1 m: X# v3 a) Z& Z+ P4 x  t3 d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ T1 N1 o& l! u, @  h咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 f1 x( ^1 D$ ]- i正係咁樣
$ f% Z/ f5 g3 j其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" k* Y7 M' U4 D7 _7 @連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票. G% Z& G9 N) L0 w( D4 K/ p( z
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! n# N. X, ~5 v, }編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* H/ x6 F+ e, b$ {, \咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
; z  P' i1 e0 ]# D. b7 w' |因為以前未生產, 先消費
( J+ s) u' L2 p  ^- H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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