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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, |3 ]$ u  Z( K( e# F- x) ^
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 `; z5 L! C5 _  F, S6 @+ QI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢( b, p7 u! B& U. w
so銀行可以不斷放款
: _, {* e2 `7 A, t. ?6 w( L% Z7 X, d美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 g  [8 E/ p* h3 t  ^

0 ?9 @# u  c+ J" n3 Y( |mortgage loan
$ {# Z5 l/ \5 w: a) Z>conduit
. T( v/ }3 i- P>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.% {5 B7 d5 `8 v7 d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 G( o) h& |5 j' j: ]/ f
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 `+ l, g8 l! l( T! \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
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Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., A1 ~0 G: w% R
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' ~0 D# Q# C) q
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 _: Y, u6 Z& {! S4 ~$ V- Xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 {% p% ]$ O9 W* f
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) I/ k4 x( f) z# f1 b

: K. A3 z: R$ m/ |' Fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# c- \- y2 _% d" sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. `9 e: o* N4 N: j) w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
, D* s/ @) l! I2 ]A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 s" y. o: |9 x" WThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 A& |, Z2 F4 f9 l  E; }
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly., r. y# P& ^8 U! V+ L
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 ^1 j4 u3 |! U1 @  j( g/ U7 @, P+ K
Refer to last example,( f2 t, s' v% O4 q: Z0 ?- J8 H
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
  F# J! j8 h3 G2 }5 DBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" R1 x& B4 J) t9 S# C3 e8 _9 Q/ ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
0 ~& _! [0 s9 ~: l3 L+ v  Qso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 s( e% N$ R+ B3 E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 B2 C# O) t3 _% V

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4 ^( b; R) ]0 o/ e) L& G& @the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ R/ h/ Q' `8 z  B3 K: c+ }2 Xin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 l# ^( t$ y+ x: z$ ^( Y3 q
it's the problem of the debt itself.% h4 V% d: t  w9 W7 o
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ q: j" a8 ?& G& H4 H0 @+ |小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 A# Y& L- Q5 t6 M7 `0 _, T

' H6 E& L( u: Q) H* E4 y敬請各師兄解答
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& K! U" H5 A* ^  ~Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
0 `( k; z1 L% u5 b5 U+ T. p各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 m' @9 i2 ~: L1 z0 U$ K7 L( `當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- u  ^" |4 W7 q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  D; u) k; M* x2 w4 l3 \個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" W# e7 S5 @  R) {( b. v扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! }/ d9 U1 V: t) Z, l
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 d- R6 l, _6 s: j" b0 Q& w; K' u前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) l6 e' G$ r' m0 L# C8 c' t7 w( Q同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ O! l: ~& @3 ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# ?5 j0 r6 Y" U3 E" p, b例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: K6 k8 p* W9 a- ?咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%! v& B3 u* f4 w6 M1 \) v
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( T) B: ^; [& G/ n+ ^
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 n( v. D  v2 n* O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ q+ @4 e  Y& j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ n3 b5 \1 i; _$ K) @
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; p. J. q/ N" Q* [; J0 o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - w& i5 i$ w3 p1 m7 b/ |* x! Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 e& V$ O" v8 a' Y" @. F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 n6 `3 j8 x. r/ A- }- k  G其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 v) {1 w2 {0 Z" M, }
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  k7 n* _0 c. a& l
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( z+ @9 D1 x' w. K連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" z; Y' u1 Z  T8 O! j# R+ G1 w* |. a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- K8 `: m" Y) z
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* i6 u! @# W) q; [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
# `* G, ~) }% X而家就要多生產, 少消費
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