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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- T; x- n  B3 J2 G1 VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ @# M3 t" O# w) F$ ~3 f1 I
I was so confused.....
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, T% ?0 O+ S# d# C& x講到尾都係賺錢
4 T$ g" o, o. W) S# Z* c+ A( Cso銀行可以不斷放款% p8 `8 m1 P6 ~' y" P7 a2 |  @& h
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 F$ }# b  n4 P' B% `% {, A

4 p# i, \" E( C# }9 \% Rmortgage loan 9 O5 A! A0 ~/ Z" ^
>conduit
, M2 g- W1 P) @, W5 g' E>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)1 N, Z9 [, k" j! s# `
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ c% t2 }$ J( G' D  ]CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ n3 Y8 Q% ^$ o6 N
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 U2 r* t  \) }; ^. b! v' wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
& e1 q8 j; p3 m; x9 t- fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 E6 C- p8 X6 cAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* C3 g) v/ E& F8 wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, O: ?4 Z9 c1 i# l
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 s3 I- |" P5 `$ H% {0 `/ w, L4 Deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % |+ g4 d4 N) ?! w
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, A. L. N, k0 j7 e: H, vim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- |7 y1 a# D  b5 y' U# z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.  _* u" u, ]( J( O8 z& N: I3 Y! e
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 E# P. E) W' A  h# n  R
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 C3 ~$ }, K8 q: i4 D: k5 X/ nThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : ]* ~: U- Y7 p" ~! _
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! L2 Y( B5 _0 p, V$ |0 m! C; D
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% R0 `5 [% l8 p6 Y5 uRefer to last example,# }; C. U5 R- U5 S  k
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. D3 z* j. V  d% [& D( oBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , [- {# B2 s; m- C9 y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. O. ^2 k- v4 P& P# V, ~; sA->B->C->D->E+ @* H5 U# ?. U) E
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 8 @( a9 |3 O- {
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ V! J" ~$ R3 z6 a( i
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ N; l: m1 |! }8 q; c- |
it's the problem of the debt itself.
2 P: `0 o9 p: R" z$ nthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 y8 J6 i7 t4 ^
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; R( p3 U9 s' s

) ?7 U+ W) E% v敬請各師兄解答, m( m) n! B: w: ~, h% B

' y3 U4 h7 o5 B6 A5 AThanks
; K! c% \8 a; U( V! j, Z# i那些根本係 紙上財富  ; A: V% t2 T* A
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, z& L; B- Z4 b  T4 k6 C8 i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' i: T5 _% |; W% o1 M+ P
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! c; u. ?& x# Z' j7 o
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( y* }& v4 V$ }
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ I. R9 D, h( ^
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 A% m$ p, i+ N2 v. c+ t2 _2 `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# [% p' H8 e' F9 t- h% j, m+ K
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" S/ `7 G5 A" E0 a; k但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& E0 m# n( @# t/ z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: z2 t3 p0 F6 J咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 @% P( R8 e) }
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ q9 O' ^, o, [% X6 m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : Q( H! g, e5 b( k% B9 X" C1 G( O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + m4 x9 U* }9 H5 @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 J* [& W2 l: Y* j$ Z1 w唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 P  y- T+ J4 ?( s7 Y5 b( @8 h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& l" i0 J, E0 I& |9 E+ [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: T! @) x; A, j: U5 U# u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# M- W% Y; Y" F7 d正係咁樣
. C( i# }" y- v其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
) _( k/ M" M' v分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& r' m; M6 Q. ]* Z+ R

$ E% ]9 `$ F/ h* s- ~! `- c再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* H4 f- ?! Y2 |- e連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票% ]8 e$ v0 r( V$ M3 g5 z) G0 U2 w: j
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% J; W4 |; D* e9 T編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- {; ]% Q! f* |# U% u
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' V/ Y$ |* {; S7 o* o8 F8 O7 h) N其實係...  n0 F, j5 v5 i& {  C" @2 @2 \! n- E
因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 |2 M$ i- J  _, G+ R- M; T/ z而家就要多生產, 少消費
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