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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% }$ j- q, g: ?$ O! s( m. KWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???* w1 G5 J9 Z1 G5 e! @: p. s& _
I was so confused.....
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% p3 G; V: X7 k9 s2 {* V講到尾都係賺錢
9 _" P/ @: ^" H- T: iso銀行可以不斷放款; a# b- @- q. o# o9 z
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 4 m% Y; w: D" w! l( A' [7 x
>conduit
9 f& r$ H8 n% \7 A>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)4 C' |5 o& ?3 q1 x
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 N0 O) U6 ], [' M- Z- _
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* W* e5 f4 K* L
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 x1 k$ S7 L  N+ U2 b4 Bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
5 W9 M2 |' y* }5 d6 x# ]; }6 z) y9 c0 _in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# J7 S+ d  c( R2 h
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
: w' ~6 V* L) n, y( V1 rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,. Z: w* M" A4 _1 ]5 ]
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 P# M5 {! q" p% A& K: V* F! m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 o, l2 y( d( _& U+ cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.' u$ m. \* w/ ?- g# V0 e( E$ l
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' y+ `# Y# L$ U- S
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# L: S; x/ Y1 m( `# lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,1 x) c/ z5 {! i: s
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- N4 _, \4 J0 Q( t# }
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! q# m/ U; R. n6 L  X; `6 [8 o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& m8 Y1 ~& @# T5 q
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 `2 h7 h+ W' C# D0 |& C
Refer to last example,
, @5 ]" y$ H! R0 m: i( Jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + D" T6 ?7 v! X" G
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( q: t( v' v1 A) `9 r
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
. D3 w9 S% H* d& A' Yso does it mean if E failed to pay D, . m$ g" ~2 d/ o0 S! {) w
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / I- X: \5 r) X- T1 {, L. ^/ e
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 d2 ?1 r+ ?1 B- }
it's the problem of the debt itself.' {& ~: I% ~) H' I& |7 z( Q2 y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( o# W/ l+ e- Y' F# I; Z5 z8 @
小弟一直都唔明...
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+ D# K: p; m! t) ]% G: j  V全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* h7 f, E2 H  ?) x( Z. y

9 O6 L" [) g" I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., K9 y7 E. r2 v( u- h

" A; e5 @5 e/ I6 U2 t% h" |7 a% \- f敬請各師兄解答# F/ R# E8 h1 ?% w. V/ b5 c5 E8 x
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  0 A( [  P& N$ n) K% ~0 \
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產4 A% H7 `. A; U) y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' B; e  c! v# w7 u
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 J7 d8 r0 w* R' K! `9 u% p
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* r. m0 S7 e, Q0 c* e& R
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 V* l: S: l/ n0 }
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  X* h6 `3 P1 J4 k* F  T' Y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) Z: r- O& F& O: U9 o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
/ R0 q5 ]7 S7 o5 w; j咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 X" r5 {! o- z6 L
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ l' M: @7 C+ B  ~& O7 E
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% V' f. X: p7 Z) v; v但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " \* K, f& H4 b% M5 ]
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! j: H, L0 i: E. n' C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 e! f2 g' L$ Z4 O$ J
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 V* O+ ]- A0 \4 I, _9 r7 A, P% `淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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, c/ u5 t. M2 E4 k' g( c& s% v% q3 P正係咁樣
' y: R1 y( C' q+ L其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業! k) Q% ]9 }; I. s% f
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 }2 j, W" V: ^5 a

7 C7 g+ C6 [# {4 V4 m1 Y' Z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  h& R3 d) A/ }$ }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; g; O) d& k( ^+ I7 n$ w3 d8 d一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 U3 E+ r: X$ f" F" n9 ?# I4 j" x編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 R/ s3 ]4 U% j+ |' ~& z! p5 K5 w咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 ], w2 R$ R, ~) V% u, P/ X其實係...
' F, B# N" c7 n+ M" }因為以前未生產, 先消費) W& O6 J3 U# |2 W
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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