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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) I6 x) U! g( S  vWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???6 n% b1 ~4 W, M2 n! a1 A; O
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢5 ?4 [3 Y& R4 ]% z! ?9 M, k
so銀行可以不斷放款
" {4 [, L1 ~) N7 u0 }美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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4 O3 I9 M+ M: _: x3 l* \8 j+ @>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ t# O5 t! @9 Y
>arranger
" @% L+ p2 n- [5 r$ T>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- ?- V  U1 p9 x5 u1 T8 i
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 D* L% [) K% x
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 E8 Q$ n6 M2 G8 A2 c( X+ A0 Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" o7 d' c3 F: Q9 ]( |in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& L, }  S& I9 n( {
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ F& P7 \6 a4 R9 m& d+ ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 B: D  e# `4 n. b+ g4 b9 z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.   w$ k1 l/ b0 U
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 n3 v3 P- i: D8 B" ~, x" P. T7 F
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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1 ~- {+ b- Z0 ?( B2 T$ f( dim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. V2 s) n7 ~1 P7 c/ k6 S  A2 F2 T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 k: q9 v2 J  L, G* {8 oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* R* T% B$ m3 u& u0 Q7 R4 K$ O: p! G
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  v/ H8 x+ K' h9 K/ N3 _- KThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - f" U7 _' T" O& z9 U
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- X' s9 q5 I! X+ X5 ]% t; M1 V

: v5 l& A7 u8 D" f' A! q+ |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; }1 K+ _2 H# I$ Z6 @: N. V
Refer to last example,9 {  w! a% V0 d" d$ h4 H6 A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : @/ l, v6 R( J+ w, z5 k
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ t0 O6 ~/ A3 j/ f
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
) t! p  v. ?9 X3 T" jso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' O! a9 d/ |7 e8 x  U4 Fall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ G: @" n  Q: a* v& D# j
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3 {) ]9 ]" }+ mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* g: _3 s" C6 x9 V* oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, # w" D! {( {2 m: L" y" R
it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 J* H; e2 _  D; tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% x% f  V# L, f( f6 p/ D2 H
小弟一直都唔明...# ~# [: B  t# t
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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1 D7 |" e1 N) n9 {! J無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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0 Y9 s# o. a8 kThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
: i- v8 i: U- h8 P( W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
& h! |; k8 |4 M: `" s當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" p; h* a9 @# N( j% c, b6 W於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# T7 M4 @. V5 ]4 `/ I7 W個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
6 u) u2 c9 I3 Z& |扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* J0 ^# J# i  m/ T! d" r/ u- D計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 _3 E1 k! G2 b  m6 _" `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# G  S& d" \6 I5 r; }* A$ d同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" c" v' o5 ?; w' J* V$ u但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, ~3 V; G# R8 L
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - |/ T6 U& [- t8 A, h
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%% j& f" u0 V& g
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 O7 A2 ]2 v; X: J; G
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ K5 h8 ~2 |1 H6 N$ u9 w" x( H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - F( o/ q: S& ]  U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: P! j& R- W$ ~# |2 e) B' l* k
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) B9 H) k* \& ]6 @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " p( I  \9 Y% O' m+ l/ z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' l+ F( V  Q# ~) @8 M
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 }, P6 [- Z; U8 |1 {7 B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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$ s$ C1 ~  w5 ?, p/ r) o正係咁樣
2 p( W2 N9 B5 {& T9 X8 m& g其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 {/ {; ]$ W2 l. t. E& ~
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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- J7 [, o% j% z' g/ z6 {$ y再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
5 q" B9 d! T' I4 p6 ^3 ~連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# D* p  H) ^2 N3 T  `; N; P( _
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; \3 k3 ?+ n4 n0 Q/ I  A" F7 \編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& x% c5 S; a+ ]
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: v  P  q$ K% }! J因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 k1 R+ e3 ]/ h' ?. z而家就要多生產, 少消費
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