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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: l1 P8 `3 S! s$ H% wWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 o! J2 T* [+ c, G! H
I was so confused.....
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6 A9 [9 c5 \& W/ E( e講到尾都係賺錢! [/ e: G+ f* n; B% D. z, ^  ]
so銀行可以不斷放款3 f8 I& M: Y* ?. T$ y* D0 @; e' E( a9 N
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan + J9 |1 O7 @$ j3 |
>conduit
; z4 [" X3 g% f9 [/ C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). \  G; g9 B+ S2 A4 ~, U8 p
>arranger
4 O& ^( R( h+ [. e6 I& `% `$ ^6 K$ a>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' D: f. S. j8 N: t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.% C" R2 z# i* v
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, h# R+ s' k  Mmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." @* ]8 F# G' i. L: a4 p
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 H! I3 w7 ^" Y" n1 _# x
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& n; d! p8 L: u* |" b  O* XAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# _% I7 \+ @( k' B/ D& E' F( Q& ~similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 m2 D+ w* L5 q$ Jnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# d& X7 @+ M+ M% Keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 ^5 ~9 G) Z! b
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  }0 a: T: N8 O8 o
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; j9 X* ~& T: `9 P1 b. o' WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 n* q" d2 R' L+ C7 j4 p0 iA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 r0 N# W1 q. v) \- f
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & K, _. W$ ~$ {
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 F8 h) Z: d$ c, w9 Q  w) G: F' x
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 i8 l% D& ^3 B% d
Refer to last example,
7 X# Q$ |( j+ V! Vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" O7 y  s% k0 IBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand " p6 |7 w/ K% I' r
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. ^* x, L* }6 P1 Q! x; _( tA->B->C->D->E+ m- w; G4 o8 R' j5 h& Z1 P* ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
6 D1 E. w8 ]5 G! i* eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( B9 {0 L" I/ |  {  R  @( n! s
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4 H; E/ J. ]) A$ i& F' vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 Q2 y9 N1 F2 u. N
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 8 o' @# h7 p4 X+ }9 ~
it's the problem of the debt itself.
# q. v3 L5 @/ T& f" ~the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ h$ M1 R& L$ o& m7 t+ F5 _' @
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& n2 I. L, V7 l2 u0 Y" X
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...5 b! K" u0 r; ?6 [6 k  a9 T9 C5 q
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敬請各師兄解答. e4 `# X5 z# D& E$ D7 v
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ! }! e4 T$ k1 ?2 L3 G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% u, w9 `8 k5 O; G. W; r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
9 b( S0 M( s3 g- E" M. Q3 V# X於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
' v2 c0 F! d: k1 T& j2 ~個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 K4 F7 |1 g8 h$ [9 [+ [扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 k* p5 [% C" E$ n* h' ?
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺$ f7 s( w8 {: C5 x. m. ]4 N
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ W8 ~! c' ?+ T/ a" ~4 ^5 w0 Y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 [5 G: l2 h; c5 v$ r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 f/ T1 N3 c; [& b4 ?+ `5 V例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . s0 m" [. T0 }% q7 `( b- L9 `# F
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# e6 H$ i% v4 _8 B  f
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& z1 p5 n# ?. x9 a

& o6 ^7 O( N( ~& f! u- ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 7 A9 Q) C2 C# b8 t  U
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) B1 {) ~# B: U$ j8 `7 ?1 _  J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   ^! J' @; F; |1 {- y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 P# D% U( l8 V- ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 ^6 e; O8 C0 r- Z8 @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) O5 _3 b9 K! A( s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % d* ~$ P8 c# a  e6 ]# F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ \; _+ m! }* s  k1 G1 ]! V咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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* G2 z) r$ H2 H正係咁樣
6 B; m: A4 e* Q1 t% L其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 u+ ~+ z* y9 G; ?分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) D/ E, B6 r" [8 U  g
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
6 }, ~( `5 C6 Y/ U/ u# ^一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 q- g- h3 ~2 j' J; i; E' L& @. |/ M編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  Z/ t3 x9 {9 S" _# Y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
; Y7 C( Z( u/ X7 R因為以前未生產, 先消費
& @7 u1 z" N; b0 C0 a而家就要多生產, 少消費
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