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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 B% x8 G4 Z' k! f
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
/ z) w) r. i" VI was so confused.....
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  |3 {' B/ G5 `  X1 m: u講到尾都係賺錢
# V: [3 I3 ^6 ~6 _. g! @) `so銀行可以不斷放款
! ~  D: M# K/ C- W2 W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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& Y" L# Y' ^. {5 h4 ^+ j; Kmortgage loan 8 O5 g- ?! q- g/ f
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities), E# x; p1 y2 r5 ?
>arranger
& J  M: k6 X  R  ]$ m0 ?>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' `) V1 ~( s( l" S& N6 U
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.  ?! |( o7 r; B" q: i8 b
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ V2 @1 d9 F, |+ m( B; Gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 u% p9 }9 ?& f* o$ v# j3 B
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' V' T6 Y/ [( R% B0 P) N1 m7 r! D
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' [) ?& P5 J3 p; m5 T: _
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  ?+ l1 V. L! X6 B6 }
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) |0 a8 c  S+ e5 K" _$ g4 ?
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 t  N# B* O: n4 P3 g; h* [eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 E& J* g1 X& c6 R$ J, Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
" u' O1 C! z  d" s: {in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 ^! b; b% R# d5 d, S! r# \. H8 |
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) [, w* G$ A5 x0 K; gA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* [  h. [9 ]9 n8 {8 ^The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 B; K7 T, t2 v; P/ M9 c, Ibut the value of their assets did really drop significantly." p& \( `  c6 R. U$ l% z( s( k1 n

- y- }5 w. f" F; E[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# Z0 l, H# s/ R4 iRefer to last example,' R* U8 s6 J+ b7 g
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + x2 L( h& f  r5 E
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 J0 [" [: K, v$ H
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E4 _. g+ ^) M. u
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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/ ?6 G# y% [4 _4 othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 c( n# [0 X  X6 Iin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,   f8 w: y9 f! y8 q" A7 Z/ }
it's the problem of the debt itself.% B$ h( V+ g: H1 {! F
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" v! F0 \: U, Y小弟一直都唔明...
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$ g* T7 o2 P& T. n* M% u全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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& ]6 x( V1 G' Y! y$ P$ T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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; r8 L9 f. ]; W. \8 p* ^敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 e# j; m% m- |: \! {  `* r各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 {" E! V  l' U! r4 z9 M% w8 Z+ w
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產/ T( |/ F; c+ O9 |* K2 j& o/ O2 I
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 c- _2 Z2 N2 T8 E  P於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊2 |" x$ b& R4 P/ x
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& |% r0 ~, K' k
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 b6 X, a" \& [3 i4 c
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" G" m# M: F0 P9 B( x( r4 I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' `9 }; ]1 C+ s9 D同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 x& X7 N0 y: A( j, l9 M) j5 f; `
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 e/ G1 E6 V5 ~5 {. o& F/ T* \! X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) d& F3 _+ r, w
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 U1 T- Q$ I9 s$ F' h# s所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. A+ f9 \$ j# D8 E

, k! q; j6 i1 C* v你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # w6 A3 L1 `- q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# W; ]( e& @  }. l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 B1 L+ @3 c" L: Z3 P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* m" d5 c8 W: @7 ?6 _% J
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ D! s7 |, |9 `9 }* W/ q& e% W) J' J
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% X1 d8 S6 y" R# H* C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 X1 K; ?4 Y# Y# \# X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 `% C% r8 |* X! N# m0 ]
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 ~! M6 U4 @5 t3 i' P1 x5 x
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 r  z  I$ H3 h4 h  I4 i1 t

, g( s8 n5 {/ K& @# \7 V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- ?+ i; [! m# l# o$ z% t2 k
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! `( p; G7 i$ [7 S6 O) B" h3 c一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# C1 S  K+ v. p: ~: d! N6 y編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% E# E8 ^0 |! I7 h; }; A* I
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係..., c! O0 `" J6 R7 V
因為以前未生產, 先消費* S4 K2 |9 F% N; K
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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