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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 c4 ?' }/ A, }- H) e  ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???  n# r3 \) B! g( T" ^1 H
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
& ~3 A1 ~- \. r/ f6 y4 j5 L) U# e8 qso銀行可以不斷放款' A! Z2 s8 N# X
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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- o0 g' `9 \- n  p4 }- Z/ l>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ k9 v$ T8 ?+ ]6 B8 v1 T2 [
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& m- Q6 P" P, y* h5 V: A9 W& T, q
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) b6 E5 z7 ]6 m$ _  p
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! p7 b& @0 y9 \6 \3 }. r; Y( }6 H
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
4 W& b* h  k6 l7 I" Sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 r" _& r( P& u
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, e2 R7 c6 O7 S7 x- V: r4 esimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ Z4 B+ `1 x: |. h1 S* tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , n, S+ e" v9 @3 F3 g  j8 ~( C, f
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 5 [; T5 q3 a& n+ x/ Z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ Q: `  Y5 ~* a% @  a: i7 N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ a/ L/ q$ E$ v! ^" X
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 f& [/ l+ {, T5 eA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.) [* N; w$ B# j0 K
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  E8 N8 O8 u$ x% N( A; Z; [) Qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% ~) I: m: ]8 _: C! Z
Refer to last example,4 v1 |, m' a6 P" K0 i
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + \; I3 l6 e& y  u% ]5 H1 ?
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # p+ h; N. Z  j( E1 F+ }  B
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 P. [5 `/ r$ O+ p+ T" n; E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' l6 r* _$ ?. r& a
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% C" m* O5 m  s, D/ b7 Hin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + ~' x# f, E# P; d% i( e0 v& l) k. S
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. ^  F3 C+ |( athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 u' G" ^4 n& f- `- X
小弟一直都唔明...
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6 a. a) M; V# u0 x! T2 e全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?- t0 u, R9 P  N/ o% |
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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+ ]( G5 D% V% X+ V( c敬請各師兄解答0 z5 |3 j! u$ O$ f
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
6 W3 c$ }  e# h% j$ T各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 Y3 f2 x5 N3 J3 g

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 w( n6 I9 L1 g) u, V當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, p5 ]" t8 n% O0 x' L; U4 `# W於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; d0 m7 ]0 [2 E! E: C: C個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& ^" m) F- z) @: g( @% t6 m* @
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- f) n" e2 F7 h計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 }3 C$ S0 L! U8 P前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) e, @# i4 ~" m5 H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" Z/ D; p) ]* d7 ?, Z2 S9 j但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 V3 R1 \( o7 x" l$ y! E例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, $ g4 q! R' V+ \9 J" k& m
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: J3 h9 u  |3 C! g; _! U
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ [6 E  J+ z9 w6 d

, {' a4 x% D8 }4 t% t1 H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 h  ?3 t2 N; n- G5 D% b5 Q7 }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : ^- N) P7 X& L* T8 c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 M/ t6 X4 G) ?7 i- h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 M% y- x. e0 {0 t. v
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣( S; @$ Y7 j: X, Z" u6 X
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ ^- r/ k9 h; g1 o  Q' `分分鐘佢地唔使還錢+ v% e( v3 @2 @6 H+ B# S& [

3 i& f; x/ l4 d: G再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- @' \) H* V9 B: I$ Q6 t/ a& n連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票2 U. `5 `' s3 m: b4 }; B3 _3 Q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ [% j+ C! s1 P& Z1 G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ S' j9 G( ]% _1 r3 D/ D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費9 g, ~! c" }1 h5 s: |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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