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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& ?* b$ c5 f2 f) M# q. B5 ]
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
9 @: \, o5 _+ B8 ~I was so confused.....
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/ v/ k/ N% E) e0 Y講到尾都係賺錢
" T. }0 _7 [% l! f. dso銀行可以不斷放款* T) ^# V9 E* [7 V( R5 x3 C
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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# X1 [1 ]2 e, O' Smortgage loan 9 q' _. b9 l, b
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return." _; f; h- k0 p
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,  y3 E' V: Z" o7 I: ]2 O' m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 i; m% _5 f) K! E. ~6 U; H$ {  F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: X  r2 @! B  x0 T# Oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- d& h7 T- x) d2 W* FAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 c, d8 i# }7 M' q$ i6 q
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
% l- K/ j, O, w0 znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% U, D( ^2 }3 E) h9 xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( j$ D. ]( F0 Q0 v/ \" n; c7 A- [banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 H9 R' x' s# m! k1 D! i3 g( V# Z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* x& d- W. n% h7 e( u0 v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 V2 c8 D: |, Y; E# u, P3 C& DA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* \* e( N# F+ s$ S" j3 x+ @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) @  X& d. ]; D. F; J! I; Fbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% c6 Z% h! Q/ I( m9 j6 p
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  c' i, q9 V( |- |; d; X# mRefer to last example,
: A. [0 |. c+ S" V6 Q; ~( Ythat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ( V6 R: H8 [  w  j* ^8 b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- K4 r8 N2 @! \' n+ [5 Z8 W) ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( O  ]  W0 A, ?. j* yA->B->C->D->E
. A/ m4 K2 T# Y5 W& E/ E1 Zso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
  E$ `8 @6 m7 n! H0 i. b1 `all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# G! z. {; {% [: }

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
# ?1 Q$ D! w$ y* P/ m1 `in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 ~+ t6 u3 N0 q3 n9 v" T3 L4 p
it's the problem of the debt itself./ }& g3 j6 F" }* @; t
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 ~  k$ j- R: N9 l4 N' v
小弟一直都唔明...( x8 P* u4 y/ A. \/ _( P( ?
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答; }. N- q1 c+ v/ ]9 E, K
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  + M% c: P4 q' b1 T8 V4 J
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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$ ]* |4 D, _4 `1 S* ?3 v% r; Dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- e1 o4 r( J8 D4 f6 k2 ^5 F& p當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. {) y& {6 ~& U" q$ x. G: `5 c
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
. c# y2 ]. u, j( F1 p個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: r7 f3 ?9 n! _, j2 C
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: v3 e3 ]4 V+ G0 U2 \) A2 ]0 R
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 E# b' f) r- q5 p+ s1 J0 e
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 ?0 ?8 o" f0 o' X# W6 ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 ~1 K+ i$ l' p, H! c但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- n2 |2 g# z. l: l. c+ f% K2 j; H. f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   r- ~- h0 P3 f' j+ T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  a# R5 o, i3 ?0 i; H; i2 S# u所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( S8 ~; S: p3 Q  i5 c
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * O4 @- @1 J' n: v6 a* Q& y* Y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) k9 V  T% P1 c+ g) P% y+ }
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 e7 l" x1 n( @$ K( w, y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ n! Y( \4 |+ S
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 b8 t% o7 i: h* i/ p4 a6 l+ q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 d% Q$ J( y+ d0 Z! ~0 K  m! M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. q' ]( @* a$ W+ J  w1 j正係咁樣
8 R5 A6 ^; ]2 o$ z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
: j4 I/ k# c/ d分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 t* [) w& z& R
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,, c8 v# r6 K3 |+ w0 V+ R! o  `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: v' Z. @+ Y* [' C, ~8 y) |2 W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! u3 t$ X6 p! n2 q$ U! s編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 [; |, r8 |! u+ _
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
* \4 N) s& l) O因為以前未生產, 先消費, W, h  {0 y# a7 K8 h: S
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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