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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 _$ c3 I+ ?' y5 b
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 t1 }5 p! j# a. eI was so confused.....
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; ^/ i5 Y  p; J. w- K" K, y講到尾都係賺錢
& _5 f( m+ f1 @+ ?6 Q' g) G0 Z6 iso銀行可以不斷放款
' @( G. C- G& i# @' e美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 x8 R0 e+ [2 g3 F6 l  [6 L  o
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) f0 ^# @3 u$ v
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.5 \) m9 {: u  t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& B. m9 ^; s; S# ?
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ g6 L- {1 e& K/ |
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 \1 b% ]( D- t, qsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 e5 N+ `; O4 z6 y7 o% k: M* |
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ C6 Z1 E6 [( b( x; |
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ I2 T5 z7 Q7 M, \- ?2 ybanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 b4 V# V, n- C) e) I! i
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
, _* B; K- L; T4 Jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 o& P7 G# `% |% V- t$ A% F, qFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
+ R8 @5 U" X2 u% a, {" EA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* i6 Q: z1 f( p5 t0 m1 ^
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 y6 j; r& n) E% f5 Z6 zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% u( N$ \7 N. f+ d, t* z" B/ o+ JRefer to last example,0 h# |( j! {8 E/ W7 x
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 n3 i/ j# u$ K2 b% U7 V0 J
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - L( x( J" Q5 u0 X& }* p1 r' F) a9 M
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
- l0 q# c$ [7 O% {so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ d9 O1 P9 ?' h& Z2 F7 A# Jall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" Z6 J) u; {" F( `8 ]/ F. J* x% P
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 V4 Y+ c+ e) b6 X  b  f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , J8 m6 ?+ M* y* [" D9 Q/ {
it's the problem of the debt itself.- l' c+ }# l; ~8 s/ _; S7 _$ f; A
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ?3 U. ^5 _1 ~) P5 ?* K& a
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. x6 W9 y" E3 {! u
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...5 k1 ]- o  \( Q* F

! S! v! ~# e8 M/ _- L5 m$ `敬請各師兄解答& o" i  _: N1 s) _' i4 w- W

6 H' y( G& w8 fThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 n1 H! x, v. `
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" J; O0 Q, n) |; O' H3 n7 T3 v0 S當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高8 p1 h" B/ I: P4 z9 d$ e3 R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: v' Z- [- I& ?- h. M2 h個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 X) P  g1 v  y  u扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," s8 T% k8 v& y) A
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 u) g, p3 S7 s0 K( C- C
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' F# Q+ `: l8 G4 ~5 d' K同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 p! V/ i3 [0 ?* T3 t. q% ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( U' n8 F6 q6 L6 U& r4 ~2 }' M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& I5 B2 r$ m$ O咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%. Y0 b3 H- h/ B' e
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁8 z* c: C+ E/ g; _
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
; @1 q7 l" @0 g! P7 X! L6 o但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - T! Z9 c) w: m- ~
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! ]" y4 N& v9 Y6 W. m/ z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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9 r  S! x! J. n4 _0 n正係咁樣
& t2 Q  h/ [4 Q9 E+ H. W3 `其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
5 O& F7 e: E+ L1 Q- f分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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, O+ R& z8 _$ j1 ]再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
! g& z9 c3 R3 F* K2 W% _$ z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) O, S6 b$ t+ R: j一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 G! L+ C( [$ ~. o1 w" J6 H
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 y- z  n  y0 C: |2 q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 w! o  V1 w& q6 ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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