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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% }1 F. I& E/ I9 b/ H1 p  A
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) ]1 X! ^, l# k. a( {/ mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢3 J5 L4 q8 R  y/ l3 a$ `
so銀行可以不斷放款$ p' \- `& d5 A  {1 g. ]3 S' U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: O7 ^5 T3 j" w& A4 M6 E
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mortgage loan . f8 c$ h% i* J/ x$ I* P
>conduit
% a9 J" Y5 O1 i  z& d! l>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
5 m: y% F; |% A3 \% B( ~最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 Z) B& X) W5 }5 S. t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( E  e4 G% ?0 F1 ]' Tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.) C( D3 X) m# G) F, v0 A0 x
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 o+ V% u: g, f7 r  U- S& Rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
$ p  ?" C: y1 ^& e' b7 ]* Lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* e: o" V% H; @! Ueg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( b$ J( Z$ D# Q* A- }banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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6 s. j) W7 n, x/ N: u- I6 \im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) l6 V1 m$ f9 W5 N5 r
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 s9 H6 n; }% k  H' z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) z( B. }1 Q7 d+ L# F; t6 N5 i3 I: |
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 _8 G, P5 u: q- fThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& A: X2 u4 I) X+ W1 j, a+ u6 wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! F8 Z9 b" e; G" C8 `! J2 }, n& i- l

; `# r0 P( f! ^8 F6 R1 n9 C, x[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! p) {1 Y7 G6 t; z# A; v8 G& A
Refer to last example,
& R6 H- |0 ?& j( hthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ P& {  a& X& }* C, p: x" ~Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 \/ A! o2 A4 A  |* {1 mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E- u4 z  O: Y4 l, H
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 H' P" K* s& w# ]" {
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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0 h4 R- g: P+ W9 K* V+ P$ F' ]the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% H* ^* V8 c) Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " \7 y1 i4 x% {" s
it's the problem of the debt itself./ k- |8 q. N' ]9 I* Q: v
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% w8 V! W& ~8 d/ G( O( l
小弟一直都唔明...( {# Y, ~% h! X) I# v2 `

/ h' w4 @! ?3 F全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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/ c4 n6 c% W6 ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., @$ j0 C& c4 _- h9 _

( w( Z' a. j: W敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
+ L( G9 f9 ?/ T6 Q, L/ y% B那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 m8 [' s: L! l' _4 S! ~9 G3 @各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產3 \2 M& _, ?% l# t
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 e0 S: t, `; _4 |; U於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* Y4 t# N' s! R: T4 B
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: f# v* Z, w+ x1 r& D1 d! _
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  Q5 [6 t4 V" D7 g( p- U" S" K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 z6 b2 @, O: s5 @- o
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
% g' s1 }* j) p3 a! t4 b同埋個市場既前境要係好先得! w9 b9 D- y/ j6 r+ F
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. S( X6 P! ?6 c( a: R: D- k
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, , E( w& V5 h5 \2 E# e
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%3 c6 o8 f1 u+ w+ s  }
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 6 v/ F* ?! D+ Y9 W
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 A! E( m- P5 N& t1 f' p0 i) S0 [( c淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! l5 z7 [3 _6 F1 O# a( }
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# w( w& v: d+ D) l* }* ~% [, N3 C; k
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 k, x8 R7 a, d! I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' h; C% x* f* k+ {$ d, N  G
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. c6 M" t) f$ X7 S! J8 A. c2 l正係咁樣
+ ]! M4 j2 O6 K3 ~9 b其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 b; U- p9 t6 P; s4 T& a+ m
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 N5 @5 i. x8 b) k
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) f. @  C* `* c' V7 h# R3 R一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# m" v; L0 v* X% Z' R- E
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 o- b5 {( t) q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 p4 `- W: `  `) Y" t: E2 j7 |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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