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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& X& j- I3 F; JWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???) N! |; V+ i. ~  B$ E
I was so confused.....
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3 }4 [2 v/ `! S) v: x  g講到尾都係賺錢, N0 j& }* U; T3 G3 X/ J
so銀行可以不斷放款2 Q* }$ S9 L7 i# T* \1 m
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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0 p: a/ D! p+ S, @, jmortgage loan 0 n( {1 n" H; w+ p) M
>conduit
; g8 Z. O# w" q2 G( i. k" Y1 v>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
" [6 X9 R+ g, Y6 E最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* e* ^8 ~) n* z# C# ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) k2 ~' H9 |+ ?# z% [4 }/ V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 z9 N$ Q  Y4 a. O) e. |
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,+ K9 A  e( y) Q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. O5 i! ~; K4 Y2 t: o' ?Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% K' R# I+ Q( w7 s0 g- |* Ksimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
) k0 E( k! L: ^/ `normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - e5 ?+ m( ^9 R, }) i4 L9 r. J9 }
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 U& B! b) E- d, F, s" N8 i0 P3 _banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& Y9 l7 U6 E. K
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( h7 U( g) Q( |' q- [+ n
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; p' K0 E9 z. y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) z" S$ q# G  q# c! Q& J' EThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / L, y. m. N; Q& J- f$ Y$ h
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) y  P9 V, n/ B) g$ |# t

! ?+ O. d8 i4 I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ V$ e# C- z9 f% h, P8 N4 \
Refer to last example,
/ E" ]' X/ i* u2 H  kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 L8 F' \2 A; g. m; c1 O3 [
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 j+ P: s) n* z( Y( V9 H5 C5 O' ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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: d9 t5 W  F$ V+ k) B  WA->B->C->D->E2 c; b$ ]3 p- r) l& H! y
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , }* g8 Y  R" v$ d
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 D  T* E; L5 sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , h* p, G) V, `+ Y8 v/ y$ o
it's the problem of the debt itself.
! k, k9 @# {8 y% bthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: t' [" z0 N. w) F/ F& ?
小弟一直都唔明...9 [- A$ G! n1 d. \5 J
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  % m: Q+ a: Z2 C* t) }
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 w. z, f# ?( e9 _7 x( N

7 S( X7 W. X, e* E! yhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 w9 R$ L! M4 _# _; a' `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 [& q; |# N6 U# J: E  `0 M) b, }* E
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( k" U  P5 K. r- t1 l個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
+ g. Z- l+ H7 c" ^' n. m1 u7 c扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( M" a1 f8 R% y) E
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- G' L) Z- \/ b+ @- j4 }7 p8 G
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
, y. K4 m8 x, ?7 D; h, B, m; j同埋個市場既前境要係好先得5 i$ r2 ^1 e# @2 J+ ?4 U" O9 J
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 ~4 {+ Q6 _* p3 H9 U" y- B例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # |/ o+ b9 R0 ?! A/ u6 G- o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 S1 y8 D+ }9 a
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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+ q3 e7 C; G. F3 b6 B你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 g) U" c' f. @8 O5 G
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 J4 t! P  d  Q$ ?% J( e6 H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 u* i/ K! J# f5 ?9 L' d/ I, i
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 D8 ~1 I7 V: D( M唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ m( q/ F9 O) `: L' |淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 F9 T2 b, @6 c呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
5 p6 y# b6 z1 a2 u/ R) B9 R: h其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業! ~# `3 b# S0 J5 [
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 }3 a5 f8 @( O2 h0 t! V+ }

! O' F8 _4 y' a  D2 V, h4 B再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ s$ L/ V$ ?0 g! ]& e& R0 k
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ m* l% @6 A1 d, m一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* n/ r: V$ N) G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 c  p% p: U# k* Z& z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ ?5 v1 V( n. d其實係...
' A; U  ]( U5 O& z0 f3 N因為以前未生產, 先消費
' C! J( {* [0 `8 _% ]8 J4 ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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