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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 @. `0 e  {$ TWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! w* r, s0 q. z/ mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
+ [( u! H2 {9 W3 W0 Q$ A: Oso銀行可以不斷放款
7 y/ q" {4 t4 K7 g6 a+ o美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: [; s# j+ K/ N/ h0 ?

; D" o0 I4 ^  r8 X8 e( tmortgage loan 6 U+ X  Z1 r4 T% Y3 O( A
>conduit
. e% D0 Q0 m. O; }# g' W>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! T: g8 K; `% `  n8 g
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& Q" F3 g; {4 a+ N5 Z/ {
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ s; o- O+ X# X, U: BCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 N; g( b. w5 {' n: Gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ Y! g) w1 I% ?" O
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 b4 k/ B) ?& i1 F) k
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% g3 W& Z2 S$ V- lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
1 t1 O4 R! y0 ?8 }  ^8 csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* y$ f/ W, @* I9 n" d& v3 }
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( g: _6 ]3 Q& ~: k# z5 g' o. [eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 r3 D0 J8 B2 |  _' Y3 c* x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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; ?! `4 W, v6 Q* d, jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 k) W, u8 q# t2 M* Q
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 n: W5 F5 P( D& p7 @For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! }9 T; k" I3 q+ u' wA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) \5 h6 o; m$ R) F( u/ p5 c0 bThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) @! x# m! Z& i! m0 b. |" f* qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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" b9 ^, Y! e, E2 v6 p[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, U+ Z) w5 v) i  c
Refer to last example,
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therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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% F" U; p# A$ u* o! M1 [A->B->C->D->E* x6 {' w( R% {5 A
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, . z( D" E; v+ K9 U2 P
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* Z) {; F% C  t0 h8 {: J, fin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
. E3 b4 L' k: z# dit's the problem of the debt itself.! h+ O% L9 A% ?! R: X; U3 c- s
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  p. k% N& k. C, h  {小弟一直都唔明...4 }* Z$ \6 U/ X' Z
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ X3 s6 v: G% E8 V& J. n
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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/ E7 _3 M; N# V1 X* L# Z! D敬請各師兄解答! w, w' ~$ Y9 L; f( Y

0 A9 m4 f6 O4 w% A& ^, ]0 R7 oThanks
- a3 D" ~. Z" S3 s3 q那些根本係 紙上財富  * b% W$ ~- S+ q( u& P
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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" t8 t% E. R$ {% y4 {% Z# O3 qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 V/ Y9 b- l3 K6 z1 d6 L7 U; b+ \當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ q0 C' L* U& t1 D
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
1 q' {" b7 T* I' G8 K0 c5 q; V: d個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 i2 `: i: o5 p& A& {: j1 M/ U扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,* W' i' h, B1 F9 ~
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
: @; Y" _; p5 E& V前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 B6 y8 }/ O, M  n) [4 h3 s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 a+ q7 W0 T3 y% g% l
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 d" a6 @4 g$ ^+ W. `例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # G" _# B) l3 J& y" `
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' w- W1 ~0 Z5 n! X! `* g) ]+ o# j: ^: ^
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 j3 p& O* W) Q/ ]6 f但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ @! I9 K% Y* K! `0 B
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - m/ L6 d3 X, E2 U/ r3 D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( @; P; ?) Y8 w) E* _# @
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' L  l0 E( j+ l7 Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 G5 u9 W) a' q& a3 K! L
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# O7 a' ]5 m- {; y$ p% A7 x3 N正係咁樣6 @0 X" b5 o) M& g$ p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業+ s/ l0 U+ c! }; }2 ?1 p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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8 z+ G8 l+ J0 c* W) k9 K" E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% g( [- p# `6 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  n/ A3 s, G8 f8 `4 W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 q! ~6 M- G/ M( R6 \( I. X  ^編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  i, L( Q8 Y7 c) m' i咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...  C" [0 u' F$ ~5 q. d
因為以前未生產, 先消費& Y8 N5 t$ {5 ?( f4 e6 {6 D5 l4 d% i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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