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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: K; q- }5 }. C  ?. o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) E( v! F7 O& s( EI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
% l, ~3 d/ m/ O. h' ]) O: v# e. wso銀行可以不斷放款
6 `7 v4 ~9 g5 Q3 A' U, ^美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" \( [, {" z2 ]: N5 `. h' q; g

% j8 ^9 D& _7 g0 _mortgage loan ( \+ b# ^# s9 B/ ~8 u4 g0 c! A( V
>conduit9 \; s2 w& X. ?# f+ i1 N
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 y7 P$ E* Q$ x6 L' S
>arranger
6 |& F# b# c1 |; [  W5 @>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; j; L8 N/ @' X: C% ^/ pCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 `  g; c* w- o# n4 C/ e& Y$ }; K
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; h4 B$ B2 v' V4 k/ f+ S7 o
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
# d9 q) f9 U" ]) d" Sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 v% S. ?; _2 o/ I) T8 H, B8 F
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 q" N2 d; d* l, [" Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 h  y1 M5 N# }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# f: {' f7 X4 I2 F3 k  Oeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , J& K& ^1 l4 Y/ i* m9 u
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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3 ]6 `9 B% h+ X6 a. I& sim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 k5 e) _' ]8 Y$ A* n) W" Yin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, g& m- X* |1 B& W# {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' X1 H* ?0 q& P) e, e% x
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# {* t! m) o, N. e, ?. S( b( HThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
: ?3 ?0 G( I5 F: A. C- c0 obut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 \7 ?8 F( G" o
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; e* A- {, u) \: q7 z- g4 _- n' [Refer to last example,
& f3 e1 K# _! |' _that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 M6 y( a8 S) a) g. r
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: J% |  Y# ?. `& E# htherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
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all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?* O9 _$ q! c! f7 y& [

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 n: ]' Q3 ?- {1 V! V# Y! y3 b% ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( \1 }7 b7 `" [8 j+ S
it's the problem of the debt itself.
: N* B/ i8 u1 v0 D; _+ R% o- c7 lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; z0 ^7 E1 y: f$ U% p) z
小弟一直都唔明...
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4 ^9 J, f8 c. S: @全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ f& q+ e3 i! ?

( r( B; j" o# L& c1 H3 X- Q" t無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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# [7 i" V+ T5 l  H# W3 A% b: r* F2 t. ^敬請各師兄解答
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! h1 |( S5 {6 o, F* ?那些根本係 紙上財富  
( N4 E& R" w& u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 I: y7 |+ t% F& g& _( J) Z

5 i7 ^9 J/ X- l  U+ n6 l- ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產3 ?' h6 T. Z" `8 z  u6 M8 r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; G! b  B0 h# M/ B- Y- r9 i
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) X: q7 O9 _+ g個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 ]6 m* T6 z/ u' L7 h8 J! C* A扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, C5 Y3 k( B  ]: q5 a計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. Q2 \- ]5 h0 C# l: l+ f) k
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& K9 u9 l- z2 w5 M4 l9 s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" L5 |, B! C6 ^7 n; [' O但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. T0 P6 U6 C' J$ j3 v$ `
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 f0 T9 r. t4 w9 w8 ~3 k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 T/ b% ~" d! c: {& M8 |8 b
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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) D0 u+ ]6 P1 j$ `1 i你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 6 C2 Q( A3 K! B' T1 r. Y: V, ~. h
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 K2 |$ w7 u5 i3 o淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 y: S, d3 C, g呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 V( X( H1 E: ]& d' ]/ ^  X
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: z6 O; G( {; [* Z+ o1 m, z! [+ R* u
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 h) T2 H1 U$ I9 \( d
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( F4 K) _; j6 c* C* M- j% G: H* m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
% u. _/ u3 Y7 v& D咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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* L1 r' v/ s1 [正係咁樣
7 f% w0 Z; `6 W其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
( ^0 A- }$ H# H. @- z( Y分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 E% @* o6 D% \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( u1 _. {, i3 w
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. Z% b4 {% V3 A( P) c  f編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. S1 T! A. Q* e3 M咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 w7 l* j) X' s5 p其實係...
6 T" X) {0 v+ Z! S. B0 G因為以前未生產, 先消費% \8 U2 W5 y$ v
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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