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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; V8 b2 q; J# m) W* y
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: Z* Y% Q; M3 A; A0 c
I was so confused.....
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* F8 W+ t- v' {講到尾都係賺錢
3 E$ s/ _5 ^8 g" ~  Cso銀行可以不斷放款
4 n# l! u$ `3 ], Z! J/ v美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan # _' L6 B9 N; ^# V& R8 w8 q
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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6 b) Y6 i0 R* E>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)2 t% f" A. K1 E
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# _4 t" Z* [# l  O) M
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 H, U/ F; f1 I; F' s0 {8 X
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ d! M) w1 h0 U# Wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 D( `6 B; F. P( p7 F; X. H
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" E, A" V+ b" m. h5 W1 TAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! |/ v- F& V* ~- U% q
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,: l8 _& K( x% Q& ?% _
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 `) t1 b% h6 ^; K# f: k7 e
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 C( @% M7 l9 C6 f
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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; e# J7 B$ y! m  K! Q5 wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. M5 w% h" z4 g' f6 F* C
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 g0 y" d4 K# L, m- kFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
* W2 @. F, f" G) r. G" U# oA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
, n9 _5 l: G! |! W- vThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
3 d# M/ `) p( Q- Ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ a2 a, W( B& b+ q( z" z
Refer to last example,
8 Y& w  Y& g) P  ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( }* f: ]5 [3 }! vBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
$ K: C7 g, F# S/ D+ ?therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
8 f+ A2 h/ r- `so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' j& x+ P9 R2 x  C
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ; t+ ~0 G% U/ f( a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
: @8 n, {' `6 _7 v0 nit's the problem of the debt itself.! P" Q- s$ Z9 E# V
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  @( S: j0 j7 u  p) y" b小弟一直都唔明.../ a# j' i7 c+ O: n: K. J( A8 e

3 |# R9 Z" [: P0 m. l0 w+ ?全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( v; Q! p0 p/ H

) A$ x) @$ B* k2 G* C. n$ G無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: c' e. D8 w3 B+ x
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富    A/ v, R; G& E6 F: ~% q% q3 D
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# `2 M& \! \- t( o

& s/ h( L2 I* f+ j( dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 S! ~- i# `9 ^% D
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ z6 `% j& J% E0 M; N" w於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 K1 B) c3 U- k7 Y2 ~個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& H. u2 m7 T- _: J+ y* E
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 j" ?# Q! O6 [8 Z) m3 Q
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 A/ ^7 f* t4 i: K. N6 v6 q
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 G5 i% Y+ Z/ I& u3 |8 ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 v' H: t5 Z+ b: a, U; b
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 Y+ D! j  z) E: [$ T1 u所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( L5 x( l1 y# f- J但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  a6 r' n" B, S咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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/ G0 d$ G5 F5 `& _! a/ L' N) g' p6 g正係咁樣
) K( q6 B1 Y5 _7 g5 \* N3 ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' j$ e+ ?* a5 Y6 i' d' u
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% v0 X  \0 [9 r  ^) D1 q2 o

9 Z. P2 j# A9 ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,8 p& D) j7 b: Z9 ~
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; Q6 J  U( e' ^( D5 K4 `一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  J, U7 C; Z5 ~! h
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ q' E+ H: V0 T* w% T
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係..., R6 V9 B, S" b8 m5 u
因為以前未生產, 先消費
; R3 G' X" L8 x5 e而家就要多生產, 少消費
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