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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( q0 H& Q2 }, F$ ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???' }  V" A) E; x# t( ?2 q: K6 d# @
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢: |+ N; i' k. N
so銀行可以不斷放款
- n8 m. X( v0 \7 ]1 N% t美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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1 A/ N- c" T, @' ?mortgage loan
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1 q  q- ?6 V; _$ q- ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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9 Z3 o6 }- C* s1 e>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' q4 v; q2 {8 B( R4 cCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 I; }' P) u& n% S) p# N
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 E7 l; s7 O# R6 b0 V
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 o1 T+ P. L& f1 u5 d( e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. h7 J7 o& F, x( ~
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.$ C7 v# T& K/ _/ j( {
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 k* E) Q  Z- n* g; L8 tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* ^0 \3 J& T$ ?$ k# Ceg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
- b# O. I9 y& Gbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- @- [7 x1 v7 O0 C, M
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( M- t$ d; e( ?
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 D- L1 _: {: t8 pFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
9 D1 T4 C" q1 H( W) G! s& FA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ e  E' ^6 O* E4 p5 d8 B5 O8 x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 X) Y; D* ^; s5 d: x7 x4 O! \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 s* T; S) Z: o% @' `" s

% h6 z2 G( g2 t4 u[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 b8 _6 W- W( Y# M- P
Refer to last example,
9 p0 y1 j$ s+ o# h( i) G7 Qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
' f* S5 H3 S) J  \2 BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 U, i7 O* m9 D3 }. x. f/ u! |% K
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E9 }5 Y* y6 c7 l5 ^  c8 a  z( V" D
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
3 q- M( ?- n1 O. [all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' W. p# z0 D: C$ g

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: j: u4 ^+ Z# g% Athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ! Q) n# G# Q, M
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) W- S, T; I. W  B5 M2 a- O# e# tit's the problem of the debt itself.& O/ u$ t+ R( `% a
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 k3 C. {* m+ N% W; |; Q小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?! |$ o+ C& j' _$ D
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 }, I6 p. b; m' T! c

- T7 N' r5 Y: M4 a1 A敬請各師兄解答% H4 L2 c7 \, z9 t
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  6 V9 l; _( ]) E" f! ?+ G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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1 _% q5 @, U, o8 Mhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
& G1 a- ?6 _7 ^. x. [! p( @0 i+ a' y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. s0 {0 F$ Q) ~" @3 J於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* j& Q& Z: k0 S. h2 g個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ |( L1 ]/ P  @9 I" R3 y
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& s% B0 |# k6 v( x計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
2 d" m) P8 Y; B. U前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ l1 o* `# J5 h* P. p# r
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; N! p2 D4 M* n2 {
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ g$ r5 Z7 B' X5 j例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 U7 k  h( u# Q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 [; j* P" \7 W9 H1 ~* ~( u所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / i7 D7 A! B9 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 n! Z! A3 y% N3 @8 _4 C% a6 q7 n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . i- L/ q  J2 l$ t7 g8 N( n6 c
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  ^6 h# d( T9 s4 q9 j+ {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 M8 v) ?6 Y( h0 Q1 r' ]! D- B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  r% Z! R3 g5 `- B9 @呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* h4 R( Z9 d+ d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; i5 m. q3 T7 A$ w5 L
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
# h! R; f6 U! \0 Q. O' g* `連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 u1 _( y3 b. `" m) U
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# o9 J: z2 l; h; @( u+ o0 ?編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 Y7 d; y4 |$ u7 K7 g# \2 f
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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, r0 O3 @- Q4 q# f9 @其實係...' ~- i! w, Y# s% _9 e' ?6 [
因為以前未生產, 先消費
( k$ s2 y# Z7 M# M. x. {而家就要多生產, 少消費
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