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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 I  [  A# x- V( J; Z9 I" wWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???# ~! z9 Q* M* [( s
I was so confused.....
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$ S( T$ Y) J& h: U, a講到尾都係賺錢
  @, g6 J2 S0 |) N% k7 qso銀行可以不斷放款
% \* i4 a. w7 Q% @# K) t; o$ J美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 d5 _" h0 N" p; k0 c- OCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,( ^8 I( X7 d0 x. `! l5 j9 H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 N8 @0 o, d0 [: z1 }main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,) x. S! Y& z/ c' Q( ]9 J4 b
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 E- e+ {" r4 c* _! w0 @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 p/ v3 Z  `& B* C0 a1 E( l) f
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; p* b+ y+ b# u1 _9 O+ ]normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + h* _5 g- C9 d/ g; n& E; t
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
! [* m8 k1 z  k* {3 D" `4 ~. a* T1 pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; ^7 S/ r6 u& I% `4 k/ {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 d9 q( v4 C+ D8 U, P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,+ @- A  K2 K' k5 i1 C: i7 Y' t4 O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
( {& n  F1 m  y, c2 hThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 X3 c" P) w) `4 Abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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" P' e$ n: r' [" M, }) y: j- w[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# x6 e3 r2 g* |' L8 e! E, tRefer to last example,% Q7 o1 v- I0 r& f
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 _7 E/ U; M* h" G. `$ q4 q: O+ E; n
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; Q8 k( d  K: f* ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ q* k( F$ ~1 Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- K, d) o" y# T3 E* e) A" Vit's the problem of the debt itself.& [5 j9 G7 n1 F$ Q& b
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 V# d& D( u0 u$ R1 F
小弟一直都唔明...- ]) J( b* C! X& x% |1 v2 N% J

0 c& Y5 a% a- H全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?- o; ^; f' y* D5 t& V7 `
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ( S+ L5 l$ _2 B: q7 u
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# [7 p; \7 p: R8 O# f; f2 Y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 e0 u$ s0 y0 G
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 Q2 l# d; t8 J7 n& m- X+ W
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 L$ v5 t5 E6 i4 V7 Z9 u3 i- A3 w扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 v# u2 V' k4 s7 B) H3 k: r
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( P3 S( H1 E3 e7 l( Y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
, ~" h+ m0 p& V/ r9 `同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( [! H6 T, G* H- g6 r/ [; S但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ n0 m- _% S# M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 3 T) S" r. j( V: i0 ^9 \/ f5 p
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
- ^& y( {; {1 m所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* ~; y* s0 w+ ^3 W9 l- |

% W" `4 a6 F& D  y6 H* k0 R你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 \' }/ e1 p% {8 @2 h但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ Q2 \5 p' B. A2 I8 e  R; ?+ @
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* h8 `/ A: p. q1 P呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
% B$ h. A4 {! i咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ e0 ]* [7 e! w& g$ G& @
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 I- F  k3 @% @  g
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ V, d4 Y/ S) M+ a9 h+ H5 h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! R+ O3 m) d% \0 `& N5 [1 N. B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
3 z# ~  t* _6 v) f- y2 e! u  E7 f其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
4 a5 U6 a4 S8 A) n% r1 e分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  i6 E, j* P' [# i: Z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# f( x1 Q5 O/ \2 f" x. r4 V
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. C/ P9 {# \6 n5 Q" Q  C7 q編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 P1 x6 _2 t3 m, t- V# D4 H  I咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 w. ^) G. R, i& y其實係...6 ]' \( `1 j* z% l, ]2 H* t
因為以前未生產, 先消費7 `2 p5 v' U' o' q4 ]. E* Z
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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