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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" \0 k$ i  D% Q( O3 [0 r
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 o7 Y0 B' S0 l4 f9 {; V6 _8 V
I was so confused.....
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) M6 L, R) J. |5 F" L& N. `% z講到尾都係賺錢( C4 j/ S0 y1 l. R4 {: W+ [
so銀行可以不斷放款" G% M5 d  S" N# T" D0 _
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 n" F: B. A& k' h; q6 w$ U# Q/ A3 Zmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 b2 w( g1 k3 j( k2 Z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.0 ^7 q3 ?& h/ s4 a* L0 a
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* A$ Z- q( `# kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
, @+ i" E& u: i$ o2 u: smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 h. L8 ~$ w, F
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& f! W1 F" r; z" `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) }' {# Y$ P$ A8 ^! O/ Z3 A! |. \6 Rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' `. s0 ?/ s6 X% r9 o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! h# |% G2 g" K, v* y0 xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * Q2 U% {* j( u% E5 D. H
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 @- l# T; h# S% r! p/ b4 B

( o. E# i6 z7 [' T3 t3 lim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
1 [9 `, H# |- R; m# g4 n9 Nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.9 I+ V9 U+ }! ~: k9 u  B7 R
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- A: O7 D2 q$ H5 s4 y9 X" \7 F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 ~  s/ V, W+ }& [9 ]( k! E- `
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 |5 k+ @, l5 z& t
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. t- t: q1 K# O

; p- d4 L! D& F; p8 M! B[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 {* k0 }. {' l* Y
Refer to last example,
: E/ e$ s5 D. E1 [/ [4 t( bthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
- V4 |" B+ p- d) B1 Z% gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 K/ {; j( e( Y( ?5 j5 F5 |
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
  v7 F1 a) }; ]/ e5 A0 N, E/ B/ Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D, + ~7 ^5 u2 t2 N  m; Q/ B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' s( G0 D5 X' n" E/ R9 J# g, m3 p- G8 A' Gin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* i2 `  v* n3 `$ m4 fit's the problem of the debt itself.& i( A1 F  r: O. {3 E3 {
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ ~2 P5 M' e+ n8 r+ j
小弟一直都唔明..." \8 u1 L& X" L+ x0 l; z

$ T/ q* k: @) p4 l& e- A4 ]- D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ c$ M. l3 G( t8 q0 y: L

* ^* C5 H+ [# z  W+ z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 y& p1 ]" s2 ~

% ^# }3 B3 t/ J0 }+ W( H' g' t敬請各師兄解答
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% ^/ h" X/ O7 T2 n+ K/ uThanks
7 B# m/ D% g- p) @那些根本係 紙上財富  
% e  j# G$ L- T' o9 V" z1 x各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 G7 }) f* e' S  ~+ h5 V
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高9 P! v5 d* J& s; V) {4 f% d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, \3 i7 }4 @! ^; b2 e3 Y1 h2 }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 U3 L$ h" H7 [% N7 F$ P扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 Y& r. w! f) ]/ i
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" U. ~( T1 R2 K* K& S( H, A: }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
, a* w8 r% A: G0 a% U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 d* n  c: W! ^5 s+ x: c2 a: Y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺1 D# o( j% E- {- r# J0 _( t5 Z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * E: n' c) P% s0 C* J
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# a$ ]) _. e9 G- r: k所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, W  C, [( U/ F' \0 g9 J

8 e+ `6 @% n  _6 }0 [) @; G你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - Z: ~9 k; i0 d( m9 P% r
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 `7 }! f1 X8 N$ Y3 u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 i! L2 y& n' Y2 S! v- L7 Q! b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% ?' U5 {9 [+ `# }. Q  r; \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- l$ x6 B/ j; s" W  I( I唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ J3 g9 `$ v- T, h. h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 ]5 g9 v2 q" V- s. u正係咁樣
1 U$ U# ~* k; g: Q/ p  q( [其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- w# T( \7 M; C: e) ?* o: D
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 q$ |/ {% P8 O$ w8 m
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; q; U8 N, R* ?0 z( h
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票7 F0 @8 E" S( f+ \- w
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 W+ o) I3 r; O. c, z$ t- {$ \
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 \# ?) b: L4 b) l9 ^0 i' t咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ E' X" t7 t/ p1 {! S- D
因為以前未生產, 先消費' s) p, C7 s- O1 e$ W/ K) d. t
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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