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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, v; j% M$ T8 V( I4 v2 ?Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& n6 O* {2 ^% h+ C% Z& z, P$ R& W9 TI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
/ \3 J8 I7 k) y$ u" a0 Oso銀行可以不斷放款
, f7 j" I7 c( I4 f& X( d美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 r: Z1 ?; \9 I9 c
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mortgage loan 0 G7 q  q4 N8 l' P
>conduit
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
. p% D, `+ y, Z* s7 t最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: [) R8 b5 z1 ^4 |3 z, T5 P
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- H3 ~4 ~1 \2 O  `0 q9 x- c( nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
4 E5 I3 ~; O4 r" Wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( L+ }- u* T/ C6 Z3 s: ]  [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." T$ `8 X/ ]" f. d
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
' {+ c+ h* e/ V. [similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,- X, O* l( e" O  o4 c& j# S
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* W# w1 d, _0 Z& Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * X+ @% A2 \9 i1 z# y" ]
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.  f0 o# ]1 c) G  m8 b0 o. |: ?; V2 N, Q

6 w4 P  v1 y, m3 D6 C4 Zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* `6 i/ b& z9 M# E6 H$ P9 Y% }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 k+ ]4 l+ {! b6 [; CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 D( Z' H" i  M9 e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
0 G! B8 x" b, x& k8 h% x. o$ l% hThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  P3 f8 c% `4 |' J+ r* M' pbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 ]6 g* M5 w8 }/ R: c+ y3 ]& D# U
Refer to last example,
6 _& {5 c& i! @6 E5 ?* t5 n) Zthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   y! D  j8 ^4 b  x7 {/ G. u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  G; d6 q- b7 P6 u! mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) l5 E; `% S. JA->B->C->D->E5 r  h8 d4 [7 v  g% G1 `
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( c1 Z* M+ ^! i9 `all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?+ U* o; c3 q) s4 Y/ h( Q
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 h$ @/ v  r" Bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 J; @8 n' y. @# F
it's the problem of the debt itself.  I5 {/ w9 Z7 {* q/ M6 W: b, H
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& t! e3 [4 c$ [- j: }$ V
小弟一直都唔明...' z" ^& T4 T- u2 a

% r$ B" S, B+ _8 y: s+ |全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ r5 s1 K  K8 s) W2 T/ @
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; f# ], c: d* v3 \6 y

1 k& I8 J  H- H# A5 k7 ~5 D敬請各師兄解答: R, b5 l8 X8 Q3 n: U
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Thanks
& V& U' w" R3 B' p0 @那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ J. |- s3 ?$ N; q' O4 o( ~各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 @: A$ o1 j5 }9 g
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 C/ ~0 W" F& T當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 Y! {: [) o6 u$ O1 V! [' \  F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. S$ }3 a0 n% f: I! e2 R$ V
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ f( k! R1 O0 S9 N! A
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; [& E; {0 s5 v+ t3 T& ^' B
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 G, F& o- [* c  ?
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: {) v! o) I. F% }: D3 H. B' {! G同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
3 @$ ]$ u+ m" X7 D4 {# O' `但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
, @" ]( e* q; n( a; k3 G4 V例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ S- G: ?- i: p5 g咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" e9 ~* K3 }7 s: N0 I2 z8 Y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* H  ]. X/ A5 e, \) S但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + j0 p$ W5 p2 e: M! y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! W1 ~' V0 H8 q) A3 o呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " R4 k, B# }1 B7 v( f( d2 F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
2 q: d/ F, o7 P" `& Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# j, l; L, {" ^分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. B. a3 K0 e( T/ \3 z# y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票) K# X  ~& W/ j7 L7 ?
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ f8 q  _# i. L8 U6 K* f5 n
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  f! [, E. {3 x: U% A
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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3 Q! i! ~/ O, i6 P$ c# X其實係...  s; X, r5 P2 z0 c# U  x
因為以前未生產, 先消費' x$ n1 ?3 f" i8 e9 a' R
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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