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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 k8 u/ A& ^. _" G8 q1 BWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ F  ?. q9 l$ a* ^6 c+ A$ I0 W
I was so confused.....
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9 l. V+ L5 w- Y% w講到尾都係賺錢% ^1 K) t( u7 ^0 w/ P+ n
so銀行可以不斷放款
9 K9 f" r5 {! |0 K2 j美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan . K$ T8 Q' d  E0 B6 o4 q1 U4 B
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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7 h% l5 s  q5 \* o0 L" }>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.( k6 l2 i# T$ ^: V: m0 P# X# _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 D4 _, Y# J! a1 Q. f& Z- i
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; {3 C# g( p% p! U; D# y9 rAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ i0 e& c# |8 n# k  [5 }similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 A: F) n% a3 r+ Lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) j& h0 e$ t3 M# {& J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 K- W+ w, K4 [. W, Xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 A4 K! |. x$ }) g$ z
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' J  W; y! F! s9 L, m+ G2 iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 ]: w, `2 a; j- f" `$ j7 L+ RFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 L+ V/ T0 a0 z" u- D, z2 T
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 W0 ]; t$ f6 f  L: K; c& K6 _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + a& i+ b: @" ]' ?$ S% F
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ v% ~8 o6 p; S2 h" _

5 t/ v; p. B& u1 @* `& b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 {) v* }! n  o4 N' T, IRefer to last example,+ B3 s1 d4 d+ X  h/ }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: d* `6 k$ ?1 _9 A0 Y# f, W% xBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 1 u, _1 G+ z9 t! e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ f! T0 y0 P# T8 r4 ~5 W8 |( rA->B->C->D->E/ J: A, g$ |1 }; X0 S" [
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 }5 _6 X* h8 h0 ?1 X+ ^
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ n% u2 R$ ?6 ~) z5 S
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 i: z% N1 |- }4 R7 i
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% c. D* v1 M5 ?6 I+ K3 ^3 @
小弟一直都唔明...  P: x2 g1 P& E- h0 }# f
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答8 t' s8 ~4 i* f( n

, T6 z6 ~& d: mThanks
7 t- R" N2 w8 V2 f那些根本係 紙上財富  5 \7 ]1 F# A+ p; p6 K  w5 X
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- F7 i4 J9 b8 i# P' k$ u+ m
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& f6 z1 C% G3 @# L) K" t於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊) _7 i7 T) R8 |1 @
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ }9 Y) D% C! u& w2 T: _; P
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( C" H+ e7 l9 {. p
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" u9 V5 v* d7 A: H8 S# ~前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 z- J4 h$ H7 ]+ G
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
% r1 A/ ]9 E9 V但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" V& o1 l2 ?% ]$ t* D, [* v5 F例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  R' c3 F, k& I8 R. A咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ Z; V# L- K% z7 L所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, g( G" q5 v( O/ M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 {# r! O$ J/ d0 ~+ K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 y5 `5 w* T7 g3 U呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
, d# v) }! o# X! [咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" H' Y# @6 {6 j* v% e* y; y- b唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, B9 E$ a3 M) u6 s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( t, w  w/ l" i, k$ a& k6 y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* C1 Y" S/ E2 M: c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 ]( O0 Y* Z/ D9 ]0 [9 y正係咁樣) T# J; E0 b8 Q% e
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- ~" s; I2 e% j$ i+ O3 U
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 R5 b% L+ w5 [. a, j3 T. R* a" a
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! u) S* K' W+ U8 ~2 v
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' `/ L% v- ~2 [4 W! V5 h2 l咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 {2 R2 J6 W1 Z5 @- ?0 F( a6 z
因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 R/ p5 `, B' h: l* Y0 \* i. D而家就要多生產, 少消費
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