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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; z5 N6 Q0 p2 n/ \/ E$ ^0 `, L
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???6 d8 q% v% o( W5 {
I was so confused.....
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% `3 T6 @6 C( s- [6 o講到尾都係賺錢
9 Q" d9 L0 s5 V; Nso銀行可以不斷放款5 |- o/ e( n) p: S8 Y4 X' O
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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& }0 m; Z3 B) w/ |' N# ^+ N3 f8 b>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# Q1 m) D/ ^$ ~
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. x8 [& \( `  \, L! JCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) y) Q" P4 T, Z) W8 [3 o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- z5 a: y  f5 ~" _: c, rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
  L. y6 w. w, m$ ]. A. j+ oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.$ U$ b/ z5 C$ k$ ]7 D
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% `2 J) n  _) ~& z# n/ vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
% ^5 V0 P, R6 B2 H9 _, Vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( m+ r  B3 [0 x- _0 H/ n) [; Meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ u4 Y6 X( E6 H/ j, k7 {
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
& S. Q- t' Y, l+ i# @5 Oin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 g* o1 f8 a# |; E% f5 s2 }
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
; B0 b/ I! k8 D0 j  oA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., m& ~" U/ q$ Y9 w( h% q, N" y6 w8 H
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
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4 p* w; e) ?' a( z; s& P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- g' M% w& }) O/ x4 B# a. w: j5 m
Refer to last example,1 x& K. T0 ~3 Y& y& A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
5 J3 i9 |3 d. Y, IBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! F. H* w4 d5 g( C" g8 N1 p" ]therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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' k5 I$ M7 x2 F' ~A->B->C->D->E4 f9 d3 I( Z, a0 G- d. I
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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, f$ }  W. n$ b! W. C# tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* W% l& ^6 R; t( g7 l" r6 Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 z8 l' y/ b& k. mit's the problem of the debt itself.1 y/ v; q- t1 _* r: v$ Y$ x
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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7 v0 @0 v% n& C$ F5 P% m6 o# s* I全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 M; x2 ^  C  x* H; w
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  S# v# w- q4 V( S8 j% D8 K% u* p; \
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敬請各師兄解答: U. F: h* b% S+ d- P# m
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
! F4 ^! m" d: R, U8 j5 g各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* M. n0 Q% }! F+ c( Z5 r$ l, Q
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( Z/ a# Z6 V0 g; f1 L+ y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ o) v) Z6 ]2 q5 o. [7 y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
, C+ m0 T8 H9 _個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
* h9 G4 S1 ~' g7 M( |$ f扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: n( E" [# \6 j計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 b' y+ R& ?* [6 }" Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 K2 N2 |/ Z" S7 F$ W, Z: u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 ~) }* Z% t( [+ `9 r& r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ t) ^2 X# s- M) s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' M. K# j; r* q4 K# M
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; S# g/ ]+ n4 I  W
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 x7 h0 o$ H) L, E) o3 S' k

) B& p. z$ @5 p$ M" m" m# ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 M7 w9 s, ]* B$ T但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 I- R+ x0 P: P9 L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 K, V8 G( i# @# X. j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. H) s/ ]- g% ]5 |  H  z  X- N- p
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* s# U! d3 e: e9 ^& V9 R& X- d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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+ c% D+ t- w8 j2 e8 F$ b正係咁樣
# F* x- T) `4 A: \& V; P$ I其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業/ f  C  {7 U/ Z( |: l. Y9 A
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 R, \# H9 V& p) |3 w

9 F' V5 H0 R4 r. ~. L6 ~再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ a* }9 W6 `& \  A8 F! P$ y連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- Z6 V/ x: Y; o8 t  ~& ^& I一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( t8 U9 S5 |/ B
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* E$ I+ Z% L; h6 ]$ G咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 Y9 T% b0 C( N; q其實係...
* u# h+ W2 v9 Y# h因為以前未生產, 先消費
& q0 Q8 B+ v, f( y6 x4 H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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