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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ ?- g- z1 B+ [8 t, Q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! W4 D" `$ I) y. N6 UI was so confused.....
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1 d1 D% ?( D4 `) k講到尾都係賺錢
. S  }. g! J4 }3 c. Mso銀行可以不斷放款8 a" |3 R! X9 O  C( f3 {2 Y# J
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 E1 q8 c5 O, m! E2 }0 o
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mortgage loan 2 t6 F! U2 f. e& b
>conduit
# i# L% c& p9 ~% b2 p; Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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+ j: y9 I" ~% i( e9 T>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
  a; D3 p: r  a+ O+ f% }最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ r# `# V6 |% s# t9 rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 M& p' H! ]8 X3 P- h  d
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 T& X* R2 \/ j4 Y. @, @
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; C4 O2 a7 c( B4 G) |/ v0 p* X" r
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; l& f' f' J& n2 i$ ?6 z% Z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." d0 h6 _5 M+ k3 v7 Z; F8 p
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 p) Z& z' V" h" q  m
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - V: E; ]& h- z3 Y. h
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # s( n- w' H6 m2 W. G; e
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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% j: n# |" d, m, g. G  yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 e4 w' E: u7 t1 _
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 p5 }' u$ B$ e$ g+ {! D  ~For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# [* S4 r' z0 N4 ]6 S+ Z2 }
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  {& O$ {" B6 U4 l; k- _The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 `9 I0 U3 a1 f) u8 D7 E) S
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly., a9 b1 D; e6 d* [8 w
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& g9 s& l3 C& H3 LRefer to last example,
0 `+ m# n' {  C% K. @9 Q9 H! Othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: D8 @" ]3 {0 x6 xBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # }$ ]9 ?- E& Z* P
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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* M7 `# [+ ^- k2 f* G: h$ ^- K4 PA->B->C->D->E
9 `: I# s7 R- m2 Rso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 [. P7 o# j, s* O" Kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' B+ I0 {6 H' I2 }0 X
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) @- g" ^' A" f- o: \the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 7 c' |7 r- b7 r) t/ D1 Q4 C; ~" o
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % X" ^( N, [/ y! T, j
it's the problem of the debt itself.
! o$ u. h) M$ M7 r" Athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  V( P9 x2 R- |( q7 X3 E
小弟一直都唔明...0 W% y$ g. v! V1 I! q

+ `5 x7 s/ C# o全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 X# Z0 U, x& b
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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  t4 s. q# Y+ e1 v( N. t敬請各師兄解答
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+ h0 K) O( Y5 V; _# _Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
2 {0 K" f0 R$ X, p' |9 x各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) q5 w9 N$ S4 X+ \

8 [% E6 Z% p7 s2 zhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 S8 V% x+ Q. Q' R7 G- j/ F- D當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, S; I' g0 ]% `% T9 t
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 c- H8 P$ ?$ k; Y: P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: y: _' [: i0 t9 o; b6 ]3 c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
  q) Q2 E6 f6 S& c  r! b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 s; j, E- w; S9 S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 ^) d1 s& I/ S. n: s5 _( F同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- a* U6 s7 x9 W$ [0 {
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
. X; A* m* e5 L6 C9 G: J5 @例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 U* p" ~* o* r2 Z( W5 [
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# r, P  V" \& e1 a6 ]) D# y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% ?: |# I4 N8 w
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- R' r$ `( |( j, c0 X6 N/ S: r但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 C( p! g9 g/ R$ _淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * q* P; y3 f3 x5 @: X! c/ G5 w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 g2 A. ^) r% p- P咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 u; g8 A. ?7 i0 T# b2 p# q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( ~1 h' M; A$ a& G; ?4 P
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣8 h1 |4 V3 H# ?  A7 t* h9 d
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% _8 n' z% |9 N4 x8 r& ]2 V
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 Q4 F. B. H" J0 m  Y7 t8 a) N2 I
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% l$ K* s; c& h0 z" |; b/ O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# M. S( y8 J' R* r- x* b  b
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! i( B# W: B5 F1 @" y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: T  O2 X3 I# R# S
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ i& E1 k8 D" a2 w5 x
因為以前未生產, 先消費8 z" X3 u6 o! t  i* c# y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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