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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 ?" O& T% G/ Z9 U- IWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ M4 a, j2 K  B7 v
I was so confused.....
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; s) n  l7 Q2 i! ]( V- {講到尾都係賺錢
5 \1 \+ B! Q* Y$ H, a0 @so銀行可以不斷放款( [2 x; u: [# S  g( S7 m# P5 B/ N* [
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ Z3 o1 r, F1 t" q* `5 y
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' N, ~( K: D# g) s( fCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 U- E/ g7 I# l( h- s4 n9 X; v8 Z. Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ K9 @! p% [3 e$ x: u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,+ V, A& t1 S6 {* f
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 H& p  U! _4 v+ Y2 P" h$ k+ T8 t! D
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." m, F2 I4 Y0 z! B
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
. r9 C; z+ H9 r4 {* e8 @normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* J/ j; ^& m3 \7 zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 O$ L. a' n, u7 Wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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: h$ k1 a5 ~$ Cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 `8 s) e( S7 ~8 E0 k8 z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( `1 z/ h" E/ Z& k% J! m: y+ P9 rFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," ~  x8 [) N/ N' E, y2 J1 s
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., B/ O8 }' p  h' H4 y, [$ Y: ~1 N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) f0 h# N& J8 d- A5 }& g" J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: x0 a3 x) L! ?& v6 e[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ y$ {- s' i5 w" V
Refer to last example,: I  i2 S" F: M( N
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * y3 l/ _0 P; l% l9 H0 Q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 N6 v! F- Y" dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E5 a6 H2 v: e! T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, . n9 O* N( T. a% b3 x( D
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?+ g; y6 e  [( i& O3 H
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3 Z) A. x1 w8 y0 Z; p& O' uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 s4 v# E/ f( z4 H
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 U  _4 f' c5 i
it's the problem of the debt itself.
( |+ r6 `( a5 s5 f9 e1 U, @: tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( y( R' Q9 J: U( }3 [' ~* n& u; _小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ d& Y5 @; K7 i
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' j0 r# c  q) b- g+ s
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敬請各師兄解答
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% s8 @/ u0 [" b) G2 z4 GThanks
9 e* {! w3 o6 q那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 U! i4 J( h9 w# N' Z各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% j$ E5 d7 S: T7 d# \$ S7 M7 \當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. R( E) j' Z# ^% O5 B. d4 H4 P
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" Y* o+ i+ {! b" n) Q
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ h! C3 c6 H7 S3 H" L5 U) O
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 M+ b! [! n& r# }: b8 \  W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) D+ b/ t  J% X. S5 {前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 R! X  m' {' J) ~9 V+ a同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 X* l: w  J# d# a但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* O1 r0 i. @- h+ @2 z6 `例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, : Y5 d4 |5 r/ }
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ B& x6 q$ m2 }( S0 D- V
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   x( d% x0 K7 K: t# H, R
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ X* E. e) k/ e: i. h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( }) O* y1 l8 u* N/ E" }9 t0 p呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 b/ }, Z4 }7 d, Z: @$ b1 g* q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ K$ i# R9 U. d
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % o9 i% B) N- w/ t/ B0 e$ l
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 I" B  ?9 w$ V0 F0 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 n' f" }* _# j2 w咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
8 s( Y$ Z$ T& \, o6 J1 X# M9 I其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 d8 ]! X2 g( m0 K1 n  O
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 o1 x4 P2 l. |6 s5 ]  N

2 L  D3 @0 p9 f1 c1 t; j1 G1 |再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; a( a4 w6 a+ H3 P% \* X$ o連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票* }1 y- d9 J+ ?( v# m4 O
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( Q+ P2 t% H% a, O編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ ~& {& ?& b) q咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...; q% E# \/ e" b/ y; O4 g: u5 `. j
因為以前未生產, 先消費1 o) i; Y( R/ ]) i$ A4 c8 B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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