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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: Z4 _3 ?! S3 e" N* R+ r
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 ~* w, |# g7 H3 ]7 h
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款+ C+ f) W$ l$ K
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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" o# m+ `% U- e; _mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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. u! t: t: G" J5 F% F% W>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& l7 H8 S3 o2 a9 P( @# x* p. K# m
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.0 K$ w2 p  ]: w5 W2 U- e+ N' K' [
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 i. W" j: b$ Z- D
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 k2 I6 c1 w2 Z1 d, B
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
# F  D+ f$ S! G9 `in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. j4 [$ G2 t) g) r( N
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% L9 I/ x$ B1 y1 P5 ^. `* f
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 Z2 f0 m) z# G. u. H- cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : j9 w! l/ g# |0 c/ v
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 Y* Y3 t; T- i$ s7 n# [banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ A: M: H* ~6 s, L9 N/ b, _4 M+ C6 kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 b+ B. c: j+ g! K$ DFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 N) Q( G7 \- b9 GA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 I" U! k9 X4 Q! m, ?* |! Q/ N3 MThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 v. m5 e# q6 B8 k3 s* T+ C& ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& V2 B8 T5 }5 n, k  U, ]

/ f0 U* o, r0 M[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 c' V% o+ x! }* `Refer to last example,5 [+ H4 ]% T! \
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% ~/ u1 I2 b" `% b7 `Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' {& F8 B# U5 ]9 A: jtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E/ }$ C: G1 h, x% V2 q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' w) P0 ~/ O. F+ V; e! i% W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ N/ Z1 M' f' H8 t/ U

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1 q2 \' O( X- V, M) gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 P- H3 c! |" \0 r% Q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  A8 y8 o5 I3 O8 [! s( \it's the problem of the debt itself." B1 c, e5 u1 ~4 n4 `+ c+ F- v
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 j* z" u4 K6 w) E無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
2 a2 d5 n0 W& q) _4 T那些根本係 紙上財富  ; H9 q; P1 _' o5 H/ E
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 A2 \6 J6 ]5 D/ Ohttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' Z& b' v/ b& s4 h' f: x
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 o- K7 \2 C0 S% T
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
% A9 E6 ?! N! u1 w# o3 E( u個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* V8 Q/ c0 p* N0 A) z, A
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 x3 {# @7 N! h. r% U8 z
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. r! f5 r$ C' @3 e- E9 r% `% l前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
/ H3 {( w$ T/ A) m; i. \6 _1 x同埋個市場既前境要係好先得$ \. N5 {, W3 T  R& ]# {* K: ~
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- m/ p7 U4 I8 Z: y例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 i) @( r, A: d0 g咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 {; C' ]3 N! r- i5 E$ R7 l% K
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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* L7 V3 ]# y) ~5 ?, l% U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 F4 W; `' X5 [6 F5 w但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & r6 Z# f9 Q1 b1 {6 _4 F" |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 R3 K2 h+ ?) ?9 s) w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 C2 P% j! X5 M* N5 l' ?
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( [* N! V$ t) o/ B4 E/ I
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ k& q1 D1 o+ [4 ?2 u淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 x+ e6 ^0 A% A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
* W5 O7 P( q6 ^/ U咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣, ?9 l& w# b1 G! t2 k
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 Y% C" x# I8 m* \# I0 ^7 w5 a
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢# m/ ]" L- f1 N# U& J9 n$ s/ D

7 X1 d" |: e8 r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% o3 Z$ {; ~; C, |連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: _' v% Z  E: o) {; ~+ W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 i/ |& P* ^  B+ ^" n6 D
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 E5 f+ {* U( f2 G咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ y8 R1 Q4 Y# }' D5 M* I+ r
因為以前未生產, 先消費) \( W7 z' P4 r4 n% X" B0 J
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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