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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, B. P' U# F- B5 sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' m" C! [6 `: H1 C# k3 |5 o( eI was so confused.....
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' m6 J) w6 {' a7 z1 J講到尾都係賺錢
8 Z# K* F. \% K  T1 eso銀行可以不斷放款0 e; h" \" E+ n) k7 P' b
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 K2 w8 q% U3 n+ R0 |& V* Y; M
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mortgage loan
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& @  a+ ]8 J( \/ N& W>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
  a' ]: t. t: `4 |. o. `. U  E, rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 w5 P, F$ z9 G- o6 @" ]more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* K4 Y- J' q# n; u4 s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( G: h; h% M, I1 Y; I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' d# T: n3 M. P3 o
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! G9 M6 z$ y( z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 \0 G9 e. J* J* A5 x
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ m2 D: @6 n. U& c8 eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ; x' q* Y) B+ A+ T. K  Y$ w$ F
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# E5 T7 ?7 m4 W& f' H: P, G
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
& Q3 A: M' a; V1 c: `9 C% P5 cin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 C: s( n3 u2 W& |; ~7 t  \$ l- ?For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," l# h$ K- }) g% u+ E* G8 M
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 F. \5 t% [6 g7 Q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( a% B8 T) _+ j! W4 ?) v9 T- m
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ g! `: i) V$ w% U. q/ I
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 d6 U+ B+ |: F4 |6 t
Refer to last example,7 O. W  R, A. m: p% g! p& O! K, _' m
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   U. m" X( B# `+ t7 L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 8 Y3 N. t) S  N4 V" b+ F
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
. ]9 X3 Q5 B! Hso does it mean if E failed to pay D, # V! ~1 Z6 H5 G. W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 C/ ?" C. D  C# p  K3 {in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, & _( g, u) q  o4 w, d& F0 k* n
it's the problem of the debt itself.
! r) Z" I) D! g( c6 U* d4 ?: Lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% Q% U: d, H3 z5 X/ ~9 N9 ^( J小弟一直都唔明...% O  G3 b* c# O1 m- e/ X& y
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) \/ F$ [1 u3 T/ n  q& z8 X+ ?2 \

" g/ l1 h- m) i, j& e' |1 `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答/ k$ x; c! M3 A( Z
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Thanks
5 T- W/ J$ @) e! i% m5 j那些根本係 紙上財富  
" Y: S3 h, ?3 {( S各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# h1 G: Z% j9 T' C( ~/ q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  l/ q+ J7 S7 j* d+ Z
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ k* G8 p5 \8 a# C, s) @* K/ x8 r
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ u: p  j. z5 [: l6 B% T$ \
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,* s0 @4 e5 q# R9 D/ \
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' W8 ]- k. O0 p* S+ ]$ ^前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 T( H: r7 {5 c" Z" `1 B) {
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
* G' e0 a9 ^* F1 {5 ?但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* F8 W: |' ?  M8 R4 H
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, L# J  d/ M/ x咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- W; w! d5 ?' e! l5 U) h+ b
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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1 s- i( c- j5 g( @你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& Q) K8 E6 |3 a& x2 t5 P# S! v7 H但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- k2 g7 A: {: @! D4 T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% ]4 k9 v+ j% ~! R8 b6 ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
* a' \) Z$ B) ?# t6 a7 h2 o咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& Q0 u8 b3 S! Y0 E5 x) j- F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& P! [4 g# D1 |, H; \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 W. i! k) A0 @$ L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# ^# Z7 e/ Q. j1 n7 C8 O  ~$ A2 c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; g# [4 C; V; z, r  e5 z1 ?7 s正係咁樣; f, |( m; G' o" i
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ C) o" X, h& F  r9 G: Q分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 k& s' A" o. m+ k1 Z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# H+ _8 g2 W( m& S
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! [5 w6 m5 b8 g0 G" m: |; t
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ a; k" ^9 s8 ~* s! h( _咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 f% C' ~8 d: g' M+ l3 a其實係...
7 |. \0 l1 S4 S* _) I; P因為以前未生產, 先消費
; _- i5 L2 K8 d! [4 T+ F而家就要多生產, 少消費
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