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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: F. v( ]/ Z4 f! l3 ]) AWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* M5 j6 q. x' O* BI was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
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mortgage loan ; W) ?/ K2 s. j4 l+ w+ R* s& i
>conduit
+ m. K  v. \% L0 H>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! U  q3 U3 F2 W8 F7 _
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( d2 D* G+ V$ m( M* j9 N
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 a) {8 |2 O9 F+ m. q2 O9 v) B* x
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  m+ p8 b# A+ ^, g0 emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
3 m& j6 q: q  _! ^& N; \2 Fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
) P3 H9 s. N1 Q7 |/ sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.; a. e+ F  T) _( @! l
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ {$ X2 a2 |) X$ A+ P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # r& ]$ L" m2 I" B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 h  b% v" X6 h3 z+ _5 `  R. G; ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 i/ B9 c) s* C- R5 x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 T1 D: }7 m6 G6 _3 a5 XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 d/ i6 V; \1 A6 Y: n2 `% |3 hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 `# d, {- X, H% A- F, rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! y: x/ Z7 X: D4 Z4 l9 k
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 n, x$ j' S7 T$ A  |
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. ~# R7 G% D# P) \
Refer to last example,! A) i. Q, K) @! {2 r- @6 _7 ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 t: H( f  J5 }! e
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 y9 X, a. j) C, `/ X! y1 p9 U
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E- [  Y# t2 I7 e2 j% e. _
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( B' Y& K) }* Y& p: g* call the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
& x& |0 [" _( ]) d4 `+ Din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 h' N/ I3 Q) _+ u0 M! H1 c& \2 J1 cit's the problem of the debt itself.- y4 n0 m3 k5 O* M3 j
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% D. s4 Q& ]5 ~- ^/ }1 C1 @! D0 [
小弟一直都唔明...  O5 [" y3 Y! a; T& o3 A
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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- N# y8 j6 C: U無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答( Q1 `9 u0 j! h- _' f$ c

& ?( t. S5 n) {Thanks
2 z+ H" L# Q7 J% G那些根本係 紙上財富  
, g# V# H0 k) F, V! X% {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic: |  i9 d, n' J1 v% ]

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 |9 b4 U! J& X+ S) W% k當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  w+ y* A$ W  }. i2 Y+ z: f+ d- ?
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 C3 T6 y3 g/ W9 X, j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 ?* x* B( X( g% I扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
! F7 u7 ?8 s3 ~2 ~% A% _0 s計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 w" n  U: c. C前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法, R! |. W2 d$ ~" s- u- W& g
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- C3 B8 `: Z) _4 C2 L
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" R' p3 A  [" {/ E例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
/ p& ]; Y0 O% U2 }咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: c) o' }; ?2 R0 Y1 n; [. y; @- B  ~
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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1 B) u  @0 l, o: V3 |, o5 n# d, N9 s你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   H2 m# [) h, {1 ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & y! }( J2 G9 n: E+ f4 D
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - Q7 q, I" X, b1 o1 @1 J, @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( G$ ?+ M: v* k咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 N8 l: V  b! I( ?3 @2 A唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; f; {  O; C- |6 t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 m/ S# u' T0 u* F! a* ~
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) d% c* E( A. m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣! x% _# A& {1 W8 ]0 _$ ^# q. q
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' l3 S& e" Z3 F- C) ~6 z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
# l/ ]: b! }2 G( T! E; v3 \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 E& G" ?4 l) U9 Z" i1 R一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( k% i6 G) y$ B% T編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 Z/ g7 f( x) I) D/ H9 }5 p
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ ?( T( w% N( q: U+ i2 e5 f$ r' o$ d% o3 \
因為以前未生產, 先消費, r( j; L: D: ?2 m# M& i7 E
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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