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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 [! v; A' {! |1 l  o  S
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! G! X0 i, ]: u8 \I was so confused.....
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% p0 i+ e# y! D6 F4 K講到尾都係賺錢: w) D5 @) B. P
so銀行可以不斷放款
; ]+ j4 g) V$ j美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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; G( |9 y: c+ k' P2 P2 ?mortgage loan & R, A8 L( |" J" k
>conduit# }7 L" M; c( V& O' |" M! j
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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0 `! ]' u" s! J+ c3 D7 ]>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
5 s8 F5 F, G* `! N( O. ^: s# S最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! p  p  i, z5 `- c  UCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,( F1 P+ X, P0 O+ N: p1 U
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( G! H& J& u$ ^  k1 F$ |1 imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,: Z( B2 J1 @; Y: n- j
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# z" D8 t! K  e+ B$ ]Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.) Z# w" E* C6 s0 a$ U2 X- [: q
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! ]/ s  Z0 B4 F) Mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( n. g3 Q$ _  h1 {. }6 F* k
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 3 m) K4 }1 B' Y0 ]
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 ^4 l. I0 H6 z$ n4 b- t, Q0 w, X
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
1 O. B3 V+ E4 I6 Q5 [3 ^+ uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 Z( K' ?% F- P9 i5 W- l9 CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 l' t2 u0 ^, D# j1 B
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 v  A! n. X1 m' F0 E* S
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 S. ~' z2 X, ]' s* Abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ b0 o0 B; S: T% }3 b! w
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; X+ ]4 U2 n( O7 [Refer to last example,* S# k3 O6 g1 e+ M2 D4 y/ u1 z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ H; O3 ?, V& ?" B) K! t, nBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! k9 {. S2 W3 A( Q0 z' Ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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9 ^# L% k, i* d$ o* R$ FA->B->C->D->E
( ]5 u( y/ G' A* u. v7 s3 Hso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
, `( Y& i( |- q( L  w* I) C) Kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 @# X# I1 ^6 R1 ^2 `" n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " k, W  R, d  N% L/ g
it's the problem of the debt itself.' L' d# V( e  ?7 C7 X
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 W- e2 N' h/ Z1 k小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ g4 U0 r/ `# r1 @1 x7 O
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答( g" |) i8 Z/ [9 I: K: |/ K

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 ]8 e& |0 N, p! m各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ M: s' k+ p( @4 y) r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ r: g- ]" b) d3 a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
9 F9 N. I. U: d( z0 }: B, h個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 i9 z& V, }2 j0 x2 G扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 I% ]3 h* W. y1 ^9 p% j- t
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
2 j! T$ V- I& P3 v, g/ M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法+ d  x" ~& N( |8 s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 b5 j7 E% Q7 J, L; k1 w! B7 e
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 J. H1 X# q' Z& R. y  u5 ]
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 C6 @; ?9 N4 f2 {' O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 [6 H9 ?6 k* B6 i4 B% e
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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4 M- f! K) u; I6 z你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) `  q0 ^& S5 P/ g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 T9 L1 u0 n* `& T; W1 _淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ F1 k& V+ m4 g0 \: d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 h1 C' P4 z2 V2 e1 U唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 B" d' s9 v, t% Z1 f' I0 I7 T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - m+ g/ s5 J3 c8 `4 L) W
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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/ x: u- y3 u. L% o; n+ |6 @6 ?5 k正係咁樣; j0 ^$ d, h4 X5 `, l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業$ e( I1 i: _' v) ^0 {4 }4 i/ R
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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5 h9 [% |; |0 _再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," m6 m+ u' u4 w# t% Z5 J1 r
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ p8 w; O7 I9 a' L一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
9 [. Y+ o: B. d: n( G) ]' g' @9 H編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* j$ f* m" }' w1 l/ F! c咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ S# P7 r; J1 k8 f6 U
因為以前未生產, 先消費
  {1 l+ `9 [7 z$ K# N而家就要多生產, 少消費
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