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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 B7 f$ p+ x9 w- KWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  S  V& s2 k% v; g1 rI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢0 G$ s1 \! }1 v1 P: B
so銀行可以不斷放款
' H' g7 a' v0 \5 _* a: Y4 o+ `美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 R5 a' I& a1 w5 P

1 X8 O# X4 z, w6 ~* T6 Fmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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; a6 n& p7 Z0 V& r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)3 @3 M" @5 o* r! a
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  V# q3 a6 ]! H+ q( q
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,) Y) B% Q3 B% Q- R8 `6 d( y" q8 _
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 B9 [% Q, [" ]" l
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& n% w$ t( Q8 }similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
& d+ O' g2 J6 |normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & V. w: b0 E2 J% d$ {+ `8 V
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 m: T  @. H4 P3 V/ @
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 H/ {( J; F4 c4 H, o

/ U6 `' k0 v  _) rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* N0 }) y" _8 A- C7 }* R& S; X. u3 }" r
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) @0 W. q1 m+ W' K
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 C1 \& Q5 O. Z# [A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 X% ?9 {9 F7 w
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
, Z8 ?5 k+ i; P  ], Xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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! H1 H6 X! @& S3 p- @4 S( P' p[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) R$ G: \5 s$ t5 h1 e$ @
Refer to last example,( N- b( A' K/ }+ g3 y0 q
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 r# a. C- y5 y, ~2 A2 F# i/ a
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , W# o+ M/ x' e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 D( p" h3 `! EA->B->C->D->E
, z' a2 Z6 t" l5 {! W+ z( aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 R* [# A3 F9 E% _. F$ p% F
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : l& @% U* J% t* ^; X# L6 b+ P; |
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* {0 X; o4 X8 [! Hit's the problem of the debt itself.
- J9 `# W4 t. a" d/ ?, E: Othe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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8 x/ z5 I3 h3 ^/ G  o2 J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 I1 O9 j, D: n& ^8 b
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敬請各師兄解答: ~2 ?. ]! [$ {( c

0 i9 |9 [# z0 fThanks
2 I% l# P7 r8 m. W, k" V- }那些根本係 紙上財富  
  E7 g& N, {- E  o1 D9 T各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! R+ N+ Q" k2 c. C& o8 z6 H
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- K  y  C0 o- ?- ]( r7 u5 a. G
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  n4 B# ?( M$ ?9 R5 {0 }7 e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 {; B4 s. N$ p: ]扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 D2 V& A/ M* h3 O0 i
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 N. u' R% R8 P4 D) o- Y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 F1 }6 U! q' h! ]同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% ]4 d2 l6 i5 j$ u9 z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ ~; H! b; `$ \/ W* [6 |6 b4 h例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' B* F& g) d7 q& T& E6 G$ p
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* {( I7 |0 {9 W$ q- R, O  d0 |所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 |* ]3 {/ I' r6 d$ w0 n  u4 ~2 _- s
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . R2 U; v8 V' ~" o9 I$ s" e1 K4 q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / q" `1 w8 T. ?: }+ I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ K* V+ n# s3 V8 d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% E) m9 x/ {, q9 t& |
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 _8 v8 L5 I( ~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. r4 n* W. R1 z# X5 A/ w淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 l1 E4 W" K+ m: B: O) d# Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 s( Z3 i& a$ v! W4 y/ i. C咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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8 f6 L. e0 v0 |( {( h  k正係咁樣
8 r* T" }5 L2 e( s其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# n; A4 j- M; }& Q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& _& z3 z/ B. a% D

- n  w! f  X! b5 r* e$ e- o6 r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) B8 ^/ P" l- o4 c0 [) K* ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ e9 x* p; ^' \; l" }7 i  }
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% D" c/ V+ i: {+ J; G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( z# l: \$ K% l5 Z/ Q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; f! `. x% V3 B' K7 A其實係...
8 u0 r9 B6 W# m: [) ?9 m: B( U因為以前未生產, 先消費
* l  r7 M5 i! j4 q* z* O而家就要多生產, 少消費
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