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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ _* X$ C. }6 J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ G5 Q" H4 c( u8 Q; _I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
1 x/ o/ L2 N" N$ W1 B& bso銀行可以不斷放款
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: P, E* o9 I9 Q7 ]. N1 T8 ^& rmortgage loan
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( {) ?  c& ^+ i4 c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 r0 e  S9 S) ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; s8 h; V% @; P) ^6 e, x, U8 o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 r  b* @1 y& O
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ @' u. E$ ~. f& t5 \4 oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.$ d* K1 V% f) g$ q- z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 ^2 z* f# [/ e5 M/ c. h
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 g1 S4 b. b0 u$ N0 Vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 K: m' g) {! [& d+ H
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 W& A/ [8 m4 B; K$ S7 H1 wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 Z' P. I, ]4 Y# U8 p) \7 N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; r: f8 i' g. s, X3 J+ l* r1 Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 O  o5 K* g! q4 UFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! `  k% y5 m. [* }6 S' ^
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.3 U' ^4 ~; \, q8 E) b: k
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
5 \, S& o. [  N$ u7 s$ C( \& dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: I1 A: J( \6 O* n" l[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  _! F: O1 P9 Q( LRefer to last example,  [8 y$ _9 p- h* E9 \
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & Q9 m+ v+ g- u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 I, R) D( c. j1 x% ^therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E$ w% L4 t5 g$ m3 t# Y: ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ P/ f& Y) J% d" `" t' k7 @0 l( Z( o
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: K' C1 K2 |9 L0 b' d% b
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
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it's the problem of the debt itself.5 B: r+ T8 N# Z- q* M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 ^/ t% O! z2 w' N+ K) T7 H+ b小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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$ J! [. j" ]+ c' Z+ J; q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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2 n- T% s% F% f0 B敬請各師兄解答4 n0 a9 q+ b) e" _& Z
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Thanks
" g' P. _. s9 E那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ l" _' y- ~! s; u) C" s8 y5 R/ a* l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) p7 ]. U* D7 c- d
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 @7 |: ^- w( @# ^0 R' K& u9 ~; T1 O
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 f+ Q3 y' `- W2 s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 z5 H# Q# \  y  c& J扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) y; o% B, C/ M9 E# r2 q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ ?8 K7 ^/ Q: I% l7 V0 N+ }+ h
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法. f2 D# J! A) h
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 e" U0 D$ w6 [* ^3 Z6 F
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* Y! I; q% W3 x2 t/ \' O8 D例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + U; t7 r# s9 i! o" m' O( y
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 x1 a3 [5 T1 ^; z, M
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 R6 }4 \" e9 a3 {- [, H
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& I! j1 A1 \5 C2 k但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 y' b& G; I3 N- |! A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 g8 j! P/ l, d- N+ f5 O1 ]
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 G7 L: F/ {# A
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; K" z& G3 y4 e# ?8 t. i! H淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣; S  D+ M# Z$ o; I; U$ x, _
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 o  M6 v% r! O0 ^* w0 @
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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7 w4 l) R# `, ^/ q& @! H. G" J再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 S" Q2 n' A' r$ r& b; A
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' B% {' H0 f- P9 F6 b1 _
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# G% d( G* R% J/ w+ j' [
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! }6 k1 l1 a6 |" C1 ~
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...( M4 h+ k' G$ \7 |2 A
因為以前未生產, 先消費
) j, ?! n8 g5 t' O  G1 k/ u6 \& _7 O0 i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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