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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* e- ~) [% |* b* `  N" ~! F
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  `# i0 U' ~6 P  ?9 O' M1 k5 MI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 c8 O5 }9 c3 aso銀行可以不斷放款
! ~% O. B4 P, p: P4 ]( K美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; W+ Q4 |+ W  H: [. s0 g5 W1 l( C
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mortgage loan 4 u, L3 |& Q1 \9 ]8 e
>conduit
$ r& J- n! C2 u0 [/ J6 e/ M: P3 @>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): j8 x; e) J' {
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# p" ~% H+ L3 ~$ m3 u
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% o6 Y/ E( x2 i6 A5 G+ S! v3 Kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ J! q' j: v2 G( j, S
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,- C/ Q) V, ]( N; [4 b
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.1 z6 r7 O1 u8 F& L
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 }/ j4 |  H9 K& D
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," d; e5 {) A4 L9 M( g. z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  l; g1 Z, N) m9 H; i( deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) F- b! X6 g, N2 ]& b$ dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 R5 C" }" A& \. b
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) @* q2 ^9 z2 iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; Q) K9 Y  c" N5 C9 q9 }  V3 y. oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
5 e9 o9 I# n$ Q0 [- lA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. t; W6 x0 i1 M1 B+ K% c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 ?/ B' ~0 n6 W
Refer to last example,
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8 x$ m& \) N0 _8 n: M+ J' u& kBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # R4 K% q! q, t8 h: s+ ^8 Y  @1 D" F) ?
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) }; z# r4 p; L* vA->B->C->D->E
: ^) g1 w) h3 g: g0 Z1 rso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( U3 k# E$ m! Z2 _6 c$ v) v9 Jall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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1 q- ?- H! c/ h: o/ q6 C2 Ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ d* l. E; V3 L" F8 Q7 I" jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + t; j6 t; V: l0 C6 i& k5 A
it's the problem of the debt itself.
' c3 K2 y" L; G. `the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ E+ i/ d! h+ D9 o2 v$ K3 J( l
小弟一直都唔明...5 F2 b* s# X1 D' e3 |* M+ d
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ H& s. g4 u8 D" I' Y! @各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' C( K" g3 [+ a# v; |# w' B+ p
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
8 v! x' K+ ?! k2 k# s- Y- [$ t7 X當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 Q- K) U9 b2 M  E" U7 ?
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
9 w! Q& R1 f8 T0 n* ^5 O個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
. ^/ K+ `0 e( H* D扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) ?& C1 q" l; e8 h" S& R! P- m
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
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同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 V- Z" ]! b" e" y4 E# l. ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺5 a- ^0 P3 ~$ @; F$ t
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 w4 Z7 w8 J; {
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 S1 i: Q! d5 F/ ~+ Z* _  i
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 t1 u' M5 B' N4 |7 j0 w但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' R; O+ c0 u' ~& O+ `5 z0 Q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 P# v$ o8 `! R淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 S) x4 `: K. t4 Z) m3 j, z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* `2 o* x, Y; J; M! e: r1 P8 B7 o
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) P' r/ Z# |7 Z3 p3 t6 [& e. Q! @6 M
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 k& k& d, Y5 _6 F, w
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ @4 x* C8 Q  }2 Q) x
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 Q' ]: h# k+ |( Y$ G+ Q1 c5 k咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
+ o& T3 J( F* b' |因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 W3 {: ~  Y  a% F- }而家就要多生產, 少消費
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