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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 G& d3 U* T4 r* X6 nWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???! u, I! J& A3 Y  A4 a, B! p
I was so confused.....
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3 D+ I; E+ E; c" q/ h講到尾都係賺錢
( ^1 n, n9 L+ I2 U6 Jso銀行可以不斷放款
9 Q5 R0 b2 D: J: p5 K3 @: e" n% L. Y& b美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan / g8 P3 U( S7 l( H" z( e( m
>conduit$ h, |4 [6 Y2 I3 s' b3 J3 a5 o
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# n7 V0 X- `/ `8 k# {9 [
>arranger) @, B  p; _* N) E. [; F
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 H+ a! Y. R8 t' Z. s: L" ]3 HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 B5 G$ ]- L- v  x; imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 I5 {; e) H6 s' n5 smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. ~# a0 v8 O1 Y3 j: [) @4 r4 ^2 u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; J6 i4 z- [" T6 B1 u* o5 C+ ^/ CAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* a1 x0 s( a# R" e0 Gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, g7 c, Y: C: n( {3 |/ A0 f
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 ^# h3 j1 g9 L6 t3 N/ Q2 u4 x7 Peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 S- ?2 a/ N% v: s( E( r
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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( S% \$ v0 ?* l7 _& H/ r1 xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.7 s; _- l8 K5 q; W5 `, i! [
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 B% Y9 F, D" }5 E
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 V/ e3 ^  \  s/ Y/ I8 e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
9 K1 W( l& j9 sThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 D' L4 C/ u8 T. u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 B6 ~( y3 Z1 v' o; Z- d$ sRefer to last example,
1 E% x& C8 X9 v/ W$ S# Y) m8 Wthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * }6 R- [2 I# t  c" {( \
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : J  J; T, R- _3 }
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
' \6 `7 d$ s5 H6 S4 m, @  S: |so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 6 e  T6 H- Z: S. L* M  G
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?  H% v/ f+ X4 i  n4 B3 I/ {
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 h6 H6 _" q# r$ U. T2 J  l, sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 y3 K7 J/ X' e8 F- A7 `: Hit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 c" R% {+ l5 _  r4 s; b& p/ dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& [/ D" T! c9 F
小弟一直都唔明...
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2 w% |; `8 d# B全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. t. f5 a$ b5 u# Z: e' D/ m9 X5 F% g1 M
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 w5 z/ G) o. W

8 |% \7 |- h7 S. C% x$ f; J敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
$ [" D! }+ E9 A! P! ~那些根本係 紙上財富  ( l, M! A( }) Z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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% r( x1 F, c0 t- _# r1 k( c! hhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 ^1 r- u! t4 K* s* Z
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
$ S" Y5 K7 I* }- y/ I+ ?於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊  |; W2 H/ h) j& u
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦9 y- G; e0 i. h/ b$ r
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 ^5 d! A2 b$ U* `# P# i& I5 X/ x計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺# U8 t: c" S  }; C3 |
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 R" @8 z# R/ e; X8 r$ L同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. s0 ~' n- E+ }# l* q9 j2 s
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- p6 P8 L( o0 W% X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " \/ }# a! W) Z7 m, [, s% B
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" e* J  Z. k5 ~( ?& H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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. d/ |4 b# _" q% |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* ^6 |! u" L. a! s7 a但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- E% G9 [: f3 W" X7 v. h- a, a7 \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 I, y; S6 h8 G0 D  a9 C呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( G% P7 ^9 F! A- Y5 n  g咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 ]  L  s/ Y7 q( h4 f% P( U唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* {9 e$ B. m, l# J1 a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ u7 O. H  M" G+ R: f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' ]( H! d2 }- N+ n1 K7 D
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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  p4 q4 J  q- T0 w4 N0 a' J. O8 l正係咁樣
$ X' T" L+ Y3 X+ ?$ d其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: l, g- O, J) d8 j* q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- f% k9 R9 P' k) |. m( y6 h+ B

6 u5 t5 ^. G- k) C8 `再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 K" V) p+ m* `# S7 g
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 F2 A# g9 A# A4 F& M8 a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產7 E% }. J! \9 ?3 k1 X- K
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( }& a- |6 |3 z- r/ ?咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...  |# C/ k* i' X6 q9 t7 [3 v
因為以前未生產, 先消費, U" h. Q' c: N5 p, K: Q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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