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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% G1 e7 ^) r) jWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 f) E9 ~' K& qI was so confused.....
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( Y! P, U9 H7 j4 l" U% W講到尾都係賺錢; l2 Q+ x' ?7 D! _$ s7 ^
so銀行可以不斷放款
7 Q; T2 f; [7 u4 [5 `美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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* `: d! @/ {4 G4 a0 y5 zmortgage loan & ?5 }7 o7 ^1 |! R3 H; G8 @1 B- \
>conduit
' }% }# }( x* \>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 c- Q& w# ]4 F1 ?
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
) G5 C1 N9 p3 c3 c3 \" G' qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
; i( R0 b5 I7 m( z" gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. v* l! y% d8 X, ]* k$ SAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 L7 N" m  N( \: X" I) Vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
' s# m' A. v) ~, ^! mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % I; A- Y4 `- u0 ^7 j) J: C' R! Y
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ P, o6 u# F' f: ?9 jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& a2 Z- w8 s6 y" t2 f9 f
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) E4 _, o' f$ S. qin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 l- n0 C' Y/ Q! z* J
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 @1 q/ _1 f, }2 B0 \, iA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.) M" K% s  k2 ]
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # `- b  z$ J9 q. A
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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3 s1 l# ^, T$ y6 ^[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 d+ K% \: S, Q! U- kRefer to last example,! K, z7 W8 N- Y5 P% @4 t- c4 @
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! N  z% m# h5 N" P, C2 kBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" o1 m9 j, ~. c& E* T8 j+ [7 Btherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! Z0 N- O% A: n* Mso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 C5 k' _+ T# o1 \2 m
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: Y* e0 e  ?9 Q3 K1 }

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0 S; D7 a* D" Y% G8 H# lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' b4 [* z# W0 _7 J3 ?. ^& S' p4 {; @( D
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ I6 j, _2 k2 `0 \1 n. oit's the problem of the debt itself.# d% [3 {: H7 j: U1 r0 V: f
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( }" l4 I& L# ^& Z2 ]2 f小弟一直都唔明...
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1 x5 d! u1 \$ w2 H, O& x全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 Q6 X& `) Q  ?, `/ H7 W

; N# O# C0 ?9 w; G$ m5 }  O: Z敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
& i" i" @! E4 q: \; C4 g那些根本係 紙上財富  ! }- H3 P7 W! h" [" J# U$ |
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* v8 ^6 _/ m. u" B4 t, ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 \+ y3 R; w8 M8 \8 W
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# i1 H( D! _9 e' g) H/ @6 {: y) J個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- U, g1 o! g+ P  m( \扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 [8 q" f5 o; u6 n: \, M2 @9 P, s計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 b" G$ u4 n0 v" ]( J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( |0 d- U% e' |! s同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 x# s$ A" W6 u. G
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺/ D6 M1 b6 G$ U; ^+ F2 T# e
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ L$ i. \- q* N2 B) a1 t9 x! u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 r2 \( r' w! ~9 V5 C. D. c( w; V所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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2 j1 U  w# U) o5 @& Z: g( p你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 F! O8 I/ {7 c
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 H) r/ r9 |" S6 J  ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. w/ f. q! D, u$ ?- Z% E呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# ^/ V& c1 d' Y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 H4 i1 i) U: ~4 o. I- X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 J- J# C( m+ }7 ?4 u* d; I+ H+ x
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ ]; ~* @" t' C$ U
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
5 Q7 H6 P1 s, v其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' q; z0 P& K$ b) S+ n
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 _! q/ p1 ]4 C! e  B
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( l. {1 p6 ]. t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! M) k+ V" E; D3 t9 b5 [編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! |$ V. N% p( b; z* ~咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...% X% x9 m  H7 z1 J' Y/ i' d
因為以前未生產, 先消費: T1 Z. z0 \( C# g
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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