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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. n  ~# V, J8 BWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???) w, p0 T; n: `. _
I was so confused.....
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# B! e9 B* V5 \( U( E. A: d# u講到尾都係賺錢
1 e7 c7 [4 f4 t' A4 [so銀行可以不斷放款: Q# N% C1 W+ [3 F# [
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; c. H4 r. n* M, L) x2 Y8 O: _
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mortgage loan / x% J9 j0 q7 \: B* i
>conduit
: M+ ^  \, T5 |* K; x>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 y; g# {" ^% U! z9 c1 @
>arranger
) b$ P5 ^" _! Q2 w8 Z, z& p% q5 V>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.. O2 a4 ~* E6 G% N, a% w4 ^
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& l9 g; }) i/ x: P; I) Z4 Amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 w0 t$ h. }  g+ J4 U* zmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 z+ A" e( D& l- z! t6 T, T$ }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* |1 F# L7 z) V: j4 ?/ q  h
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
+ |) [) W. x. a  ~9 P) o! ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% K0 J7 i( j# l* O9 S, E* r
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, u0 y' f3 }% p7 @0 D/ Aeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# X; N. I5 f  c2 q  _9 Obanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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. {' D: H1 n0 }8 v7 l$ g$ _1 J0 Xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 p+ l3 I% W# }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
' W; N7 u% m, y6 hFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ {* X5 w: D0 v% j+ n/ G- DA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% U1 f! ]0 n( S8 }2 f2 `
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 `- ?& F) P, A+ gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 H, X0 b+ x  h6 m: YRefer to last example,# P+ o- |' U& z6 A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ g2 I! C; G! x/ E$ t2 }Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : ~  P& d7 W& f# `" Y5 w
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E/ I& H* q5 Y- K: D2 Y
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 A* t  O/ k" a8 W: W* z- I+ _all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- \7 `& @: U4 b1 |  U
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 S: m; d. k1 w. v$ K" U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
. r1 Z( A" l5 r" ?) {7 u7 l/ Y) Pit's the problem of the debt itself.6 }, i  M: k' a) T
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  {/ l! X. `# ]1 n小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% ?+ w" f5 L, X. Z" p6 Z7 T
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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0 L. x" j: ?1 v, c- \. \* ?敬請各師兄解答
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9 h  J6 d) w: n% s# `7 x" R7 K9 jThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" g8 [8 a7 D3 \. M各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# C6 @# _0 e0 G8 Z
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- {& H: X; a5 p4 B6 p& b當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 s* n* |' b# d. ?' U2 _: n於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 n6 q6 Z# s2 i) L3 ^
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& o# M9 s+ c0 s0 I2 @7 x1 \扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
/ \0 S. \3 a( _, M( j計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. N) q" R; F- v# q# p: F9 K* c前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ P: ~- i' K. O( |
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' a+ P  f  m- i) B4 R但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 L6 o+ @3 d# m+ O- p0 y/ z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' B! s7 h3 a  S9 q
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 K/ @$ ^& d2 Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁3 S, @: l7 ~4 x9 l6 h: M

2 _: c1 w4 H2 E4 x, c1 e. U5 e3 i你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 Q9 G9 p) @( ^( E$ K
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 l  O+ S# \8 q: m1 S2 x8 X. B
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 C6 E0 F. y+ `" k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* S# u+ \( f! V; m, N
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 U! J$ H/ \* q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * J# S$ g5 B  |3 n% N" G2 N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) f4 W3 l6 v7 O* Q" l, f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, ~% T) M- b; i  u5 W3 ]+ P
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# K7 a( L% O0 t# q+ _4 d正係咁樣
& K) j4 m+ O$ C9 Q, `& n其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
- N+ w; c# P: K- j$ Y: r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! G' ^  h2 ^! w7 p. Y2 y

5 E' B5 Y6 ]6 o6 e0 r0 K5 ^2 o6 e再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
: f, ]) q+ O% O' V8 T連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 x# i* m0 r4 M一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
4 K, E# U% K0 R: j編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  ]2 T5 {1 y/ o6 y9 E咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
; R- r' X" K) s0 g4 ?因為以前未生產, 先消費7 `. \# l' B0 \4 X2 \
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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