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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 [4 c0 }+ T2 C2 P) q9 q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢) P2 W; {& m/ c
so銀行可以不斷放款
' O; `0 H; d+ w" t6 D( O- e; d! f; ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( U" {+ g: `% hmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)8 q; D$ j/ r( W8 u7 P2 j
>arranger4 I  m6 v7 G( x
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* h$ D% I5 c1 m: M' y) X7 m
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 ]6 \/ [5 ]# s9 D
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& Q3 F( A* T% m* ]; L4 r& e0 M
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  J: Y4 [$ E5 a& d# x- I+ f  Q+ P
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 O9 }& g1 l" v* _6 P/ I/ aAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 a1 ]; Z( `9 c7 f  h6 Y6 J8 D# }) m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 n% i, T+ P+ x0 ~( r( {
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( r" Q$ Z0 ^& l4 H7 _' m* H2 u  M& n) b6 n. u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 m% F' S1 I% Q2 b2 h" }banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party./ S5 c# S* M8 W: }( `  g

0 S. T+ L/ W' d, x# Wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 b9 m  M& y) b/ `% T4 Ein stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 u% p2 V- ?+ ^" U, A
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 A7 {7 l5 n+ Z8 I( CA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: @+ k( g6 n) K0 |. A. v) t0 B! {The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 k! ~/ J+ b/ R5 c
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- ]1 F& M5 x- N- F4 x1 @0 g) ZRefer to last example,6 }5 @) F/ G0 ]; O
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! ]; j: e8 D) @9 I6 l" }9 dBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * H$ ^; ^9 _( h9 g& S0 [
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E/ [/ K. R7 V( v; D$ r
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 }8 ?+ H% r4 f8 `1 v
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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  r' e, K6 w& G2 I. `/ u( o! ]% I" s8 Fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 ~1 ~, c5 j+ O( q- [; fin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! Z! ~6 }" x) Tit's the problem of the debt itself.
. X: o. |& T1 ]9 {- fthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! |8 g% G: [9 U9 S9 m0 k% U小弟一直都唔明...# I! H9 ?2 D/ o# y& ]; G4 D: e
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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$ i# _" f; F# B! _/ R8 z3 i無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... W+ @6 F6 G& s
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敬請各師兄解答
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1 v8 e3 \2 t- |% O. @Thanks
' a" v- G. y. q, E1 e: T2 r! |那些根本係 紙上財富  
/ w/ X! i! r! C; b7 ]9 \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 g2 g. K; l2 z; o! p( ahttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" V+ H5 D7 d! v當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 a" H' V. t9 w# \, j+ G於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 X. A& X. P: R個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# s6 z' z4 d  y. ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 u- P; n' ?: b5 J8 h/ M; a
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. \# R' m  N1 O8 w
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法4 I5 Q* D. D' j3 h) L% D
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得) W/ E  ~0 A* f
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺1 W/ H. b: p& g) P3 d
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ! q' n2 R! T% V0 p5 n+ Y' r! E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 E) N) X4 Y6 `3 |5 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 e; \9 o/ v* k
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( }$ {( L: R6 [3 a3 G
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / H8 M: K1 [: l; O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" ~1 b  m1 e- ?9 @呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 y1 R& |" K+ n3 u
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 |0 K7 ?1 P( p) m0 ^0 P唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   J; l3 x# y, B( h
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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# a7 s( B; ?' i8 Z咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣/ H5 J" m) c$ c: S: R9 _
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 i- E. e' @5 \5 ]5 G, {
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 _3 r6 _  l1 n
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( a" F7 X6 ^% p) H/ }一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
4 v+ P( A. G, e" o' W: L9 `- Z! w4 z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% j/ f! V! X1 y) f, ]# Z咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
8 x$ Y6 o7 A/ k* |$ q; @因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 h; S8 x1 {6 ~1 {% l; ~而家就要多生產, 少消費
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