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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 M) r# {* S" t- R8 D" r' n( U
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. j; K7 z4 {2 e3 zI was so confused.....
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2 k6 p% k: x' V講到尾都係賺錢
, c% U1 r3 ~! X0 F6 Cso銀行可以不斷放款
+ w2 j& K& j# m. F" M0 r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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2 O. F2 ~* {  i  A% h8 jmortgage loan
; D( Z# b+ z: J, K4 n>conduit
# \1 |2 n9 ]& q+ ?( j$ o' @& d( b>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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' |) w! L* y: u: H4 b>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); ~" K) s  g! A2 Z3 i
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 x( E, z. y5 V: T" F0 \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 Z& Z5 t; z' D- k8 q: Z4 e6 umore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! T' S' E* ~7 W0 Cmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 F8 a" ]* m7 e+ S% o5 F) r, z% S7 uin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 P0 j! _/ B% q# t# b) sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency./ S5 @$ U+ e) J. b0 x
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
" c% T. w4 V5 D& n6 p; jnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' `4 a% ~* r" A* W+ j
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 q9 B$ S. B1 t* k' }# T0 K; y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) [1 p( x$ l1 Q
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 w( i, }4 B" I# S) v7 p5 v' U2 Nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 \  k5 u2 P. w- Y- |2 p
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% `! ?7 m' \3 Y# ~7 o5 e8 N
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 ]1 ]3 J9 S2 T, F/ a4 ]9 W
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 2 I+ O) P! _& u% T. p. J& J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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( l7 g$ F1 M( }4 n0 t[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 L$ G% ?# U' L4 |, i. w8 e+ E
Refer to last example,
" G& T; K  |8 D* e& q3 dthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% g; A0 s; x1 F3 n- ?2 aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + v2 r. U5 D% Q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
2 w) r8 p' D- U9 t9 T+ mso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
2 {8 |' K( v3 B% N. ^6 [+ ?all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
& w) B/ _9 p) i: w1 `$ n" M/ Z1 _in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) P* l! S  }% m5 L; U3 }it's the problem of the debt itself.
: a1 I. {# \3 Z9 @, ]0 Mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 G; a! n5 A. H. o% q! U2 f

$ f& Q" o! h! t2 c) D7 O* m& F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; Q1 ?) d4 p# x8 i2 H

7 Z3 s  y% ^$ v1 C" L( c8 ~敬請各師兄解答( f( D' d5 e0 U  X5 T- i6 n

1 J! c( a; j& PThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  5 w- p% G, m& [7 i7 t7 L2 l1 m9 n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 F- J7 D( i3 a( h6 B/ X

+ }6 T% J3 t! M% D, fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
; q, ]4 W. v  E2 {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 h7 G0 u5 V" G0 U" V* p3 a! @+ i$ F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
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扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 d0 A6 y' H: {1 F: M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 a( f  r6 k/ c) }  K+ O' G" u
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 |# y4 s3 m0 \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. w+ m4 |" r: Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! u9 C* H4 e2 i3 }# D5 o) Y例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 z. H  W) g8 T5 s2 N
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, s/ z- U3 _! r3 R$ K8 Q- @
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - [  b& X6 w4 H3 ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( o/ y) r- k9 \8 ~6 R  j
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : i7 _" r0 B# x% C9 j9 H( F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 Q9 P" ^+ F% k6 M0 U+ H
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: j$ t6 T& U2 w' }唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ r; I( P: v2 ?2 F1 A淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 ~1 ~: h& x( A) \  z$ B3 ]
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( y) i! S5 J* G5 L) B+ T4 d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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& B  M  v5 Z# i% a& x0 h' \+ v+ c正係咁樣
5 a" E  }, M# A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 [! o: A2 q$ {4 o% D1 W7 X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,7 F& W2 T( K& ?- E- E/ I  ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 N& Q/ z9 E& b7 j' l( W( X8 T# {$ O! P
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 _  v- J" C3 k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% E; j$ O5 |$ a: k咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ r7 T: @2 u, B" Y- l: }+ z其實係...
3 C  N* t, u" B3 |0 W& z& V" S  ]; |因為以前未生產, 先消費1 z& P6 ~6 v5 W! `$ S/ S/ E2 F
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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