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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( z* P" ~* }$ N" Z8 q( s7 w/ L4 x8 DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???  E6 \+ a( F1 _, @7 z. h
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢1 A9 a/ i4 u. _7 T" Z
so銀行可以不斷放款
' Z5 N4 l% k* B- W% E美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% [+ Q) P1 q0 N7 C4 j
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mortgage loan ; r- N$ X3 M& B- h/ n* K
>conduit  {7 @* f' Z- @* m
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' D5 ?' N8 ?' B8 A2 ]$ a5 `
>arranger
7 L0 O/ ?# `" }2 S>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)% w3 l4 B! T' {  _1 m" P
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 x9 Q+ @* j7 K6 k3 ^& U
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 L0 S: M& \7 l8 _* [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- R- y. e; Z$ n5 u6 UAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& k2 Q7 x. C6 c1 g0 l2 Zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: u% L  w9 ]- r9 r, ^) x! Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 k7 ^8 X9 U, m9 {; m$ M3 Meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , C/ s7 k" J' U) @  k
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) r* R4 t8 \0 j' J

( J  Q- w2 v" |, O" B) o/ O! him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- B, _8 @" d! u, \7 S5 y
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( {4 ^5 M3 j+ p$ u# n* i+ ~For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 n8 I" t3 @' tA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 u# _3 k+ ^9 x) j+ v1 Y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 y: {5 L3 W6 N- B1 h7 lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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" ~5 r4 {- t( l[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; M- o4 }( i. j( n6 g, D
Refer to last example,
5 v' t% ~$ C' D7 e+ \. rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % @7 K8 k, e& \& L& P3 C) ]- h
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( f9 L$ A. Z& w" Ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  I/ o& G+ f' R- e7 |% wA->B->C->D->E
9 \: H% |1 Y* N# _  b5 l) K& x) a& Lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 k9 t7 V$ @$ Y9 q* W. K
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?+ i1 {+ V& P8 {1 C" g' e+ v
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0 i$ M# O! \) m( h1 q: _the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 e6 ^- S& m1 }% ^$ i0 r
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, n2 r/ C7 P  a- d" tit's the problem of the debt itself.0 I! Y5 M, f" r1 I3 ^, Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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$ h4 L6 g" B& l全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?# r0 _' u/ D4 o) x+ W

) e9 T1 T. G% u0 r; s; D無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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  b6 ^( I4 D  F/ f7 i( {# C! {. n那些根本係 紙上財富  9 r8 t. ?1 C: L4 O% J2 R
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- N$ R4 g0 z) I# j! A4 L  u
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 t0 s, f* [$ h, q$ m% d
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) h5 D; C3 ^8 a% o; T% {7 C+ ~- E6 |
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ ~: i! o) I- B6 G& `+ C$ R; w
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) c2 b0 v, z7 t" ?8 z
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 T4 Z, z3 `; u8 s% f* K. k計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 c6 V. t7 Q0 f, }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 \3 ]  s( `% E1 U/ w. s同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 [% P1 z0 A% c9 c; y0 \+ b6 D但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 E  U* c) l+ y% G
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
( i3 v- D5 w. S. O( [咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 s1 h$ ?. y, R
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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0 L7 O6 Y6 l% W$ g  h3 v0 ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
: P) F( t6 P5 v/ ?& C但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 i) [1 {: }% R0 e. G淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : ?1 Y( Y; h. G5 h  P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! W, g) c1 Q% Z. J7 b+ E
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * {) w0 v( j1 P
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 q- S3 A' s9 w  y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ ?' ^& Y, i/ C咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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! n' ~0 P7 C4 U6 J2 O# u; R6 l正係咁樣7 H" q9 B+ @8 k/ h
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. V, Q. R  _/ p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 b5 ]( y; [6 y1 F' v
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- o! S# \3 d) }- m0 b: a7 n連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 ~; b! U  }% k5 b
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 L3 L- H6 o3 E) q3 ~
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* Y* H" i7 _. ]7 o: i咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ {9 Z) y2 C6 H. t4 u9 W' _其實係...
/ |) M. f8 [- [( a0 h  s因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 ]9 l: f3 [3 a: v4 X2 i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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