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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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I was so confused.....
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5 o4 Y0 Q, D" z" o% L3 g講到尾都係賺錢
' I" F3 X- ]; t- A( R7 ~9 Sso銀行可以不斷放款
, }8 m3 W- {+ f. U  O7 ]! T美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; c8 `6 i) D. L8 ?& ?" L# H
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mortgage loan / \. X. F' _: P) Q, |$ m# G2 C
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ u: r7 v) R+ J# r4 C
>arranger
3 _, Q8 s2 T4 A, W6 ?* L, T5 `  `& d>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
2 }1 P8 V# A3 ?8 f- S0 w8 ?- o- KCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: p: w$ {7 u* g$ wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* j4 M9 s" a+ D' V
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 E$ Z6 j8 j8 }: [# ~in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" v: \- I1 k# CAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* o( y. C0 N# ~) {
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 G' s" E$ o. m  S" r+ V3 h* C, I
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , B8 ~; P1 A2 n6 [) \. {; ~
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " k- \9 F& G- G  `; x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.$ z: \( m" t& W) S, c  }

) v+ O2 z* O6 c4 Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) ~8 c' u2 U! G- C; j" A3 f5 S7 pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 C; d4 a7 R, d, k5 L6 j4 H) U
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
; A" T  D7 [& R0 p  z" OA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 E) f1 b: q+ \: H+ G) h' [
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 A, T  x# C( w2 F8 Q( A
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 P- J. Z2 n( Q2 ?8 v[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ x0 J0 ?. V) u; r0 S& X+ TRefer to last example,
' _( w+ B6 l1 o* ^that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ! o0 |5 j/ ^  ]. q  Z% k2 L, {
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 Y2 k/ t- }; Q# H7 g/ T& wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E; x/ e; I. H' `0 @8 y. G3 s
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , [0 h( f1 {  \* B1 I
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?+ m" |1 s' N( ^( d. b1 g

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% V3 ]; `8 c) V$ h* n8 Q2 tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
8 l  L( c; c7 C. _( T9 G0 F% r) Kit's the problem of the debt itself.
0 l* U% A& j4 Q0 ^2 {4 _the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  P% Y2 Y: E+ j! _4 _9 t
小弟一直都唔明...9 Z. O# T+ w% V; ?

- @- ^7 o" C0 c1 w全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 R0 D5 v' n) v3 l( b
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敬請各師兄解答
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0 b2 t% G) r# l9 a4 k- y/ uThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
5 F- _9 D) u0 u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 a7 `) Q  Y- |: s

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; q: {) z0 S) H2 O8 z  T
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
* \. }5 H4 }! \/ ?- @於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 w* H* p4 D* }( z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 o, F# J$ I* W* @
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
9 S% z1 @. c) M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 i: \7 t$ W. e5 y# x$ }, K: p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# p5 e# \, n% L4 k7 Y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 u- X9 }' l8 C2 |
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 G7 }; {+ R6 P, d3 E. y2 P/ z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 {( A& X! H; d+ J4 w5 I0 F咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
9 |/ X" I7 i& X. w/ A6 o5 h所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( E9 ~+ |) i3 w+ \' T" f( u% Q4 Y! V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 S5 D0 K# Q4 S6 a, t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; S' N$ V4 x6 ]5 R- U% W呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 t& z) [6 d; M+ t; g: \咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ F+ P, e$ \7 w1 r
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 [- H( q& i' ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! a0 x: H0 W# h9 e; m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 n) r+ B! i# {5 Z! p
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 ^6 ~9 n* {2 u3 F) {正係咁樣: y6 a3 T9 l( }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ f& l' B/ ?6 B& A0 g2 k3 d7 U  j分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! U- ]' i* b( i! R
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 e. m+ }$ Z/ f8 o6 I連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: @+ G; x3 @+ g/ a9 p
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產; p, W: T1 a9 R; [  ~
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 x4 @7 Q. \" J1 B
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...* e/ [7 `" G/ ]( `( c) B/ c" `
因為以前未生產, 先消費; e% E3 `' [0 Z( o3 |, O- `, o
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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