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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, o* C3 V7 [( \0 p/ l! t" k
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???, T0 F/ \2 r/ b7 F
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款2 \" @# ~. @; [1 S2 S) `3 n' l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 T+ I7 u9 \. `1 Y; h9 V6 {
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mortgage loan 7 v6 Q0 f2 w0 y5 v
>conduit7 t/ Z2 a! \9 t4 K+ t
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- G- d5 a* c% l
>arranger
2 n; `/ ]  o# m>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.' [: S; o) T+ D1 k) Y$ n7 w) {
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 Z2 s6 d4 y+ @5 g/ c$ h, omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
, P; G% s! W' Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: T$ U- S6 S: J/ j- sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.0 D0 A4 g- K( S$ t, {2 V' P
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) y3 r" B5 Z7 s; A% p! zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 H$ t" K  h1 W% l: O1 B
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* O/ k) W; Z, |eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # w# c# i9 i8 |& r. q$ h4 O
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., A# X1 A+ n$ t; [' Y0 J1 s

8 B  Z6 `2 s% x2 ~( J7 }5 Fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; t1 U; R8 s" qin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& V* v4 p8 E% M, Y0 FFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" h: _* Y3 b1 q) ?* o$ L5 DA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# h  A9 X5 p" P/ e# s0 k/ v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 C/ f; s) a# ?# q9 u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 l. d# |4 J% K0 i% A
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 }' C  V5 p# `  O+ a
Refer to last example,$ K, d! b, k6 }4 K+ n; b
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 b% t# T  Q5 q/ p! [. I+ C$ WBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 _; S- I3 I4 j( J. Z- p- mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 T& P7 l: S3 iA->B->C->D->E
+ X! D, X8 j; F* m+ A8 h8 \so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 E; {+ j* e4 Y6 U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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9 A- C& f  y. P: v4 c% A- |the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 }  l# |% n! w& q* D! v3 ]in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ O) }6 ~5 s% c. c0 w6 j7 ~1 yit's the problem of the debt itself.
% W. Y3 D* h( L" Z8 m2 D7 E- jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. o$ C0 ^$ r- [; o

9 [7 O4 V, u8 \5 d: j無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...4 @; r- p. |. z

& i9 O: j( C. n敬請各師兄解答
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4 L$ y- Q$ B% H  q# z" TThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" L+ f" b0 I: Y& F1 P- r各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) u! c3 J2 J! h$ k  M% x

% ~# D% d& ~! Y% P) J8 Jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% T) [) e0 ]" Z( @' H當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' ?7 j4 Y# Q. o' j0 S
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: d' p7 J2 O8 p0 H" {3 r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" d+ W# {8 s" {; b' B- d+ P扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,$ R- n+ u6 w8 @- z
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 p* _, b0 S" q' N7 j& _
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 e$ |* x' J' e* j同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 |4 e( M" t- }/ Y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% {9 `% }4 u, A; a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 S7 Q9 h" K5 O* c4 y5 j& g咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# ~* N; k: a) ]5 b: j
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. j2 z/ f4 D1 {2 F但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' ?4 A! ^" r3 M+ ~淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) R/ Z* I) B5 {# @4 v9 V4 V8 T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ \- a+ o  a+ u: ]7 Q" H
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" B* c; g( ], L淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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' ~1 M! [3 T% [: t5 ?正係咁樣8 s/ c) T- E! \8 z* p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業/ [' V+ k9 o. I2 S/ s' |) Y6 z- K+ U
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( R- i( q, f7 d8 `" W- E' L

" q0 X& [0 L& V2 Y  W; s8 P再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
8 T/ h2 b* ^% R, E連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 ]3 F& D0 \  n. b
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# z0 M9 z9 B5 ?編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! d5 G3 B- G/ i
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 a& M7 }% y6 o3 z: z7 ~7 @其實係...2 i" b+ g2 [$ H' T1 i6 W% _9 E
因為以前未生產, 先消費- T: T+ O0 E6 X# C4 M/ S; ~/ s
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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