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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, z6 g# E2 {, v, E6 E' DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???( S1 ^" o& Y/ L9 o3 V& G
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
  P( P3 e/ N% K3 I# L' d1 |so銀行可以不斷放款
5 t, R9 m* ]8 J+ |( @8 M  f美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 v' K, V; j) l( I, X0 L

4 w. a" E$ Y! Z# Nmortgage loan 6 ~, S" G  z. |$ \
>conduit
4 @) g% W% O1 s: ?8 a>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ u2 D5 i& Z6 _0 d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 E+ H, K" ?) u0 }1 M" z
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 Y* t- _( w. P" |# s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: A* P- o' S( W/ c. vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
  N/ P, d  C3 p0 WAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* w) `* m7 h8 M( i; g5 P
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, D$ _. B" ^% B/ t) Tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
" t5 A( F. C+ e" F+ e0 z% R: D3 keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 5 N- M9 O0 p- ]- _
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: x) K: q! Q& z  o+ P1 k7 h
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
" ^1 z5 Y2 u/ O0 |in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 t' k5 w& i' _: Q! VFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,3 M& N3 O- f1 J; Q1 U) Y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.& |% C9 t, `8 h. p7 i- K, j7 q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * B( b- `' Y2 L$ d! o8 ^
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( C4 t. X+ ~( d! \  c% y3 x( ?

! v( h0 S* M" R6 _[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  z% y* \; ~6 {$ {4 o# ?/ ]& r
Refer to last example,
+ j3 j* B- [0 }% nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ E9 E. E, H/ L0 B, A# ^3 gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , \* R; }  Y; f; W3 u  V
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E9 W" h7 G0 N6 I" _( L4 E
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 C" z! [$ V1 x0 S. l1 xin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + p8 ]) F* H# l, F
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 r) V, g9 k8 w6 h& P6 y( g1 Z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 |0 [0 q1 u" u, q  ~
小弟一直都唔明...
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6 g# l4 I" p  j4 Q( X全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; N& k" L/ J/ O+ y% D" e3 h, a

9 q( ^) h4 c1 K! R) q) B無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ E5 X# Y* t9 o" b# r' P9 I

1 ?) u# r1 Z2 H+ W2 L敬請各師兄解答1 h+ P$ E( ]5 K: C0 i
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  : a; n- `. R; s
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' J2 W! w# F1 c/ u2 I  ~8 `! L7 Z4 I

  K: \3 X2 i. _& Phttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* h  p' m4 J* s. ~# N, w4 R
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高% [+ s- J$ [6 E2 g# r- @: T( d$ ^* D
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 _9 D. X1 F. Z: e" R個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 q3 ?) T: ?( C$ [7 y" m( L- r扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 [8 l  a% E( w8 u6 w! j; n
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 K; R) o* g. v2 Y% r
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法- l! j% n9 D# m* H) I$ m" q" Q
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 j! s) ]0 ?- G3 O) j2 q% n2 H但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺# v' m! Y' ~1 H. k$ C2 u1 C
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 J  R( w7 _5 v
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! U! c6 {) G( z% [$ B所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁8 R$ X) C% n9 `- G6 H

7 J" B0 u' i6 f( J$ c3 |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" N2 F+ k. G) j( ^3 C% I2 k4 g但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" W" X) l! e: J: I; {0 W' F% X淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + m9 f! l& e' K! _' F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 M/ {" P: r& [4 w) D+ D( \' A2 p
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 v, _8 n- j( ?/ h" c# L3 ^) w淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( n' k" ~; f6 n6 Y* D4 c3 i! Q& p呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣% q, H# ]# L0 J; y
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* r3 o& X. I) X# k: J. P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢9 \4 Z  J) y7 k
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* a( T% @0 F9 y+ B連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- M4 D& N2 O2 x! A! z! i  |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ i7 g' B/ B) ^+ g編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# ~/ L+ W7 Y1 l8 }# A: P: D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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4 D. I/ q' k" D& r其實係...
  u5 ?( t" r3 T3 K" v因為以前未生產, 先消費" w6 a4 E5 `( U: n& B4 J4 y3 d
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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