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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" `8 E# e: F2 O& o5 F- H3 L7 Q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???0 ]4 [) {! ^3 A, c6 m. o7 ]
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢+ F6 T0 ]2 n: t+ x& E, g+ h
so銀行可以不斷放款
& C2 L  Q, s$ O0 ^+ u" X美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. o4 K5 `# j# Jmortgage loan
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+ W/ [6 K+ k' d# R>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)* ]5 {$ G3 p% s" e9 v6 x
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  k* e9 {7 g( D
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: Y8 S4 ~) i) z% r
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
1 }" ?' ~) Z: a: smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# r6 v0 ?8 r2 Q, A# Y3 \  ^
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" p% J: p6 r4 V9 }in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# @8 I9 k* b, K8 e' t0 u1 r& L
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.) g% f+ ?3 V# P3 r" \5 z& t
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) Y* P% C1 K0 R' n8 c
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
) t" f# d- A$ W6 m. S2 f$ M1 neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & }/ `' }4 m5 u% e
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 {2 @# V& M3 n0 e4 t
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; L, N* N  ~3 ^" \/ S* M* |( b8 rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% k) X* f. S  a' p! |' \
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
9 i+ x, A' D) j& K3 eA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ k+ F( E' h0 ^4 z* \  mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
/ @( k- s' x; n3 S" n2 s; h, K; Lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% T% v% h, @" ?) fRefer to last example,
5 N. y# o, X% j6 @9 w" pthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
2 l3 n" @4 e! l! u) oBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 9 w& \$ d  L" z4 `
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
2 r% S, M# J7 b. F3 [' hso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- ]& V! G+ h  n$ nall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?6 X/ Z0 ~4 M+ m$ s9 p
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & d1 J6 K0 n  k. Q8 R
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! Q  s! Y) o; b1 @( ]( J6 M1 R
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ \+ K, I- s" ~0 ?$ d2 othe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) {$ c$ P+ D, V小弟一直都唔明...' a4 y( ]( S* @) F% i. I, I

6 \) H! o1 l7 K. S, t8 n" y+ a全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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1 J$ q: J( k, p5 U0 Z, ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答) R0 k$ K  j5 S2 V5 D5 Q
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Thanks
* s# k6 g9 B2 S; C; e. |那些根本係 紙上財富  
2 M% {  r; v# M! o, V$ b' l  g* _各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) A' S8 p" v; ^
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( @) [5 ~6 W6 Q" Y/ R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; E% m0 R. ?  K
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( D7 w5 d% W- v/ T5 G+ h" e
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 `: r/ Q( C+ @) B8 e1 @# H
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
( S7 K7 L6 ^4 W# W前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 H" _% O! z. g; ?; _
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ U  V5 A9 M$ ?) L! |但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& k1 ~# m8 I# `$ c" p) U例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 m+ Q: R+ c! r0 Q1 t咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 ], J; H) T& x  J6 [6 y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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6 D! I9 R# t- I  Y( h& ]你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
5 d2 V  v! i& Q% e4 a6 L7 p) K% V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 \; S) M* X$ I2 z. O3 S: X) a8 I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 @# b) I# h8 R1 @+ ]! |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ I; T, ]+ q7 S1 m+ l3 c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 s$ k7 s4 l5 a: E4 o
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 B2 i5 I' T& i+ D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' d( W$ U4 ?" o3 s& @呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
# \- a9 r7 [4 D2 t! y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  ?; K. h8 o' T1 Y+ e其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ J6 y4 R# W  X分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 W! X8 Z3 ?& _6 I9 Y: t; o# M" i- e
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- j1 E* K9 W- h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ H1 X  G. o) c. ~- I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ~6 c5 u. U: t+ k* L
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...; s- j$ C, j9 m  z" M' W+ Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 K; Q" }. R& p% H( I而家就要多生產, 少消費
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