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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  r7 U- Y& g) I  j9 E) C. Q- z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 }$ X( s9 u) i, q
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢7 I- ^) U6 Q4 \7 g
so銀行可以不斷放款) P0 c4 s  R" k
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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6 ^0 [1 w7 B2 d: g* {mortgage loan 3 f5 {- t$ Q' l
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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; _1 k/ [2 s' }8 m>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.2 H; t) J( c# R& q$ f" x; H
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* }) c, I  T4 a4 k" l4 d5 q4 {
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ {/ S4 z' J; smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return," R- s' E" ~# }& W  {  z2 G
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.$ Q: [# w: ~" X* J0 \4 Z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ |2 l) B7 p% x+ e- k0 `  Nsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 [2 V6 K8 v6 |% D6 Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 n9 ]) P& [  a2 u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 f) Y+ L1 |1 T' Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% Z8 H! z1 X" y/ [  z# N  M: A
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 Y! _4 W: ~/ A) W: z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 a3 Y, g- B- Q+ q: X4 H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! R$ ~5 f! b; s. ?The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
, |; L# @( d+ i9 F0 _$ C+ Ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' W9 b  o9 k' C. f& |3 N3 o& G
Refer to last example,5 }# X- |" L5 G
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* @9 x- r" ]' XBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
8 \' e! T9 j+ ?( C+ Ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
* b; U( {  M) ?; V" Y; Q3 K8 `so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ {3 \% G# W; d% Dall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( X! o, m0 {0 w

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6 V7 ]' [+ U, b# U4 `$ }the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 1 t; a, o; E0 s* x8 B# Y2 W
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 n* h* U( P: r- E4 tit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 E- T6 i/ t$ t* @! g5 V7 Y6 Y0 v. C/ Ethe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 s) _# g( _# O+ ~0 D) T1 f

5 u9 w8 Y2 Y. z# h( L敬請各師兄解答) {. w* y6 p1 [1 {9 F
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Thanks
% @9 l6 m7 s1 B那些根本係 紙上財富  
* N$ V3 f- q$ p; n* s; p各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. A2 Q) N' V5 h4 m2 Thttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
4 `' p* J, U3 }" x) ^8 I當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 h' t1 ?4 }+ ^0 }
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 A2 {( ?5 T4 p個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) {  q6 F9 V0 @$ P# ]$ X
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; o  r7 z2 w# m1 p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- p% D5 g' n* l. G: {; E
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* I+ q- o* F, \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& u* n0 J/ Y' `3 s
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' P. E3 m# V5 X' R' s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ H+ G1 n6 e* K咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 i' G& \# d+ J3 I所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& P/ h7 [0 P2 ]6 Y4 S: I7 t
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # g/ b( A8 A- e2 d/ G+ ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , o& N: L9 |: P' ?( e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 J' _; I! X5 D9 C9 l8 z! O6 U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) v5 J' U$ Y9 t  b3 i' t2 q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: v( `$ J3 n( R& [
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! w: ]& |* D, \2 {
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! ~; j5 }+ K1 p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( ^. [' Z# S7 T) n8 u- t
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
4 e/ A: _5 q) ]+ V' \其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
( I# y; j( K% e- d2 r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" p9 ~) g. m  @- |' F再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- w  l! y9 c( e/ J% s
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: \! ?! v% B& N$ [9 M% x
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 E% n8 X6 o* B  j
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 q6 L7 ]) s6 t% N- o$ X3 a  f3 M+ ]咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...$ {# ?- {" ^2 \; h: [* V
因為以前未生產, 先消費
# ]) h! z3 ~- R1 r而家就要多生產, 少消費
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