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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) n! P& ^0 |0 m; F+ J* m- Z1 i) ~) Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 v: E" k: m0 Y. w( }% Y1 `
I was so confused.....
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& T2 r3 y) i8 o- F7 `; _  t講到尾都係賺錢
1 E5 O' J/ z7 o- a, _0 Q! H) dso銀行可以不斷放款' |) M8 u- U: {" ?) h
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; }4 _- ]) W/ o' j  \! |
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mortgage loan
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7 M5 m* s( |: ?( {) r; E) E# C" S>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 N6 U5 X2 a; I; R, G
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- B6 W" \- d/ u) r/ ?  c
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ N% o9 t+ U9 ~$ {$ D
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
* v% [$ Y# r! H) ?9 Gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
- d, \+ D( }. P: D8 }in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
6 P* w  ^. w8 e2 EAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- Z! _) G& c$ D- p# B% O; v) p+ V$ Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* l& O! y7 O0 [- [. Nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % k2 I6 j/ ?8 w. v
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ; y( H# K% B0 R
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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) ]) Q  ?; E* gim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 X9 V2 r! `6 D; o& F9 x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
' O1 s, n8 G: c& R  @For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ G/ O9 v8 ~# U& z9 b9 LA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ @1 j( Y/ K2 l) ~" R, e/ I6 \8 oThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 j. K+ t5 r, k9 L' o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 H4 i/ u8 j, j' a3 b

2 @; }# I# m; s6 m$ u& T[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 n: w  O: W9 d7 v9 i3 d
Refer to last example,
; @; m6 V: o2 P; e0 c% ^that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! ~2 L8 a* |# f7 ?4 _% Q- MBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 {) w% F5 g( D% a: r8 mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% K) W0 _# v7 Aso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
  }- k# j8 q+ z, x0 eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?+ `" Z# a3 d4 ]/ d
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) w" D0 K$ T# }4 g1 O- N% Hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 T( o' d- K1 ]& d. s$ r# a7 f8 t6 W* pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , B) l; f  x, i# o  O- }
it's the problem of the debt itself.4 ~4 }( |; R5 t8 Q+ I: q2 o8 b) J
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, M3 o! \4 |2 \. M小弟一直都唔明...% t3 j. h6 b3 w* ^7 Q. R" @
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." J& V8 j$ c  B, Q' Z, s
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敬請各師兄解答
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# N& @7 J3 d: ~" _; s- MThanks
' R& J6 G0 c$ H% k那些根本係 紙上財富  
) `( C" _' P# ]" `, o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# |/ p, ?5 e( \, V+ l- K; a

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' s4 K% y* K, a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
$ `7 l/ x6 y! w: B" K' d於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' t. e+ ^/ L7 p3 l
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 ^, _5 p- j% I4 i8 ?! K! I  f; x5 |
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
% p, O! X; \# b' N* z# z  u% `6 d計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 J5 S& @3 M! Q8 a- I  k' b; O前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 ~) A0 g3 ^" o" I, X
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得$ y7 o$ R7 C% _( N
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ M2 n/ f) [5 Q& R8 s例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
- ]" ?/ T6 k; H4 s咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& d2 v# x# c: g" t) o9 X5 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! s6 z8 P. V: x% S9 N1 v$ y

8 r* r$ R1 O5 E9 a- G你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) l; F  J& c6 Q2 q! Q- |  d但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; J% a# m% l1 J8 Y9 h( c# e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   Y! b8 Z5 b9 g7 ]& Z" ?
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% M  ]5 e/ s7 M' j" f3 b; D4 \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ j  E1 u$ w4 o- q4 @* s
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 Q' R0 `2 S  B. I: i' L: x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  s  ?: a* `, P4 o$ `
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& Z. l/ c% o% v. o分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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6 \+ k; w7 J8 S" [$ [+ g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 s0 h, t. H" m0 P$ `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
* N& p, ~- U+ Q$ \6 k" r& }6 d5 u4 u一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 p: ]0 Z1 a( d編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% }. B" c3 J+ \% B7 P7 e
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費; `! k' [, d  }1 F7 i+ B3 @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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