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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% z0 ^+ i* x4 R. {+ Z  g. nWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???* Z9 E# A% x# b1 R) C8 i
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
" W3 D! p4 R, X7 `9 K- m6 [so銀行可以不斷放款
- Q, t) k+ q7 `/ W1 \( Z美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 A+ L  J6 H+ E
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mortgage loan * t$ g; q4 ~3 r* e8 u: q
>conduit
  B& H4 ^( P3 h2 @8 r. `, p& c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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& }, U( L0 F/ j9 y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
( {, N$ f6 _! j, K1 ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- [- n0 ~% @, Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 E/ ?* L; @2 kmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. [3 |* l, x" k6 f! Q4 S. Xin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( z% t) |+ s" @1 v. @- F
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( j( ]9 L  c$ w# _) jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! S% e/ p- K% f/ \normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, G4 g5 P5 h* s' c" `8 veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 S* s4 K$ s4 d( ?4 v  r- Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 }+ M6 l2 }, T3 a/ M
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case." L/ O4 C" q7 q5 V: k8 b
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- D% V$ g' e. g  x6 W: A  V1 A
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. n( E: U8 H. i  h$ H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 V2 ]8 Z7 Y1 _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 b. @! Z7 d" Wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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# {& L) l7 E: U1 E. b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" Y: [( t* Q+ F. l# b8 F9 {, Q* [# a
Refer to last example,
# K* \7 g5 m' ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ _% U  O( Q2 x7 P: S& {9 o, F" aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % c9 [6 h5 g" E& B
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
2 [$ l2 \% j3 c, f3 }so does it mean if E failed to pay D, * ]6 j( }2 Y4 S0 s6 P- ]/ |; W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" H1 R5 F; w4 f" v. j5 L: s
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 {  d3 r3 O% v0 b3 {in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , k: }+ x; b" t% X0 s
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. V$ z* K$ S$ ]5 P$ v6 v+ R- tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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# B! v6 A! k; ?全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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# y9 M& [! R6 ?敬請各師兄解答
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9 j! j1 [5 K( ~( _( X6 A& r' dThanks
0 X& q2 w/ V. d那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ V$ M- U7 O' q; o+ E& k; \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  O  i1 ^1 m+ p9 {7 O& Q3 Q
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, F/ [& v/ Z7 j" V. O於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊: Q8 r% `3 V8 V* p, K% G# M
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" T3 ?' W2 ^% n8 J扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' c9 J, K) r3 N& v# w, z7 c
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# P; U" h  Z+ R: c" I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 @2 E& _2 i, c
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
6 v4 ^% V3 j4 E* o! R但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺8 `1 n+ m2 S1 A* S% l( Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & D6 Z# L7 `  U* G$ o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; t0 h; x. Y% ]- q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) N1 {, M6 Q4 L$ ?: z

! t% q2 I# f* g# X6 A你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ H, x' m+ b, f5 a' I但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 N( k+ m. {+ [# Y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! r( r. w4 h4 s! ^7 S5 E5 c: M
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 ~0 c  _: G5 F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  w4 }  i; Q) `/ ]
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 I0 \: J) y: x7 z5 J2 B
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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. y/ v6 r1 M2 Y4 C咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
" V6 A1 y" o- o( r/ M2 c& c4 Q# H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( j8 x2 f" M  t5 r7 k! n5 D
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 x, N2 `" a* A一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 W6 H/ |, r; _' A2 @+ u1 A編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" t+ B' @9 s! b$ \7 O) Q# L  s
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 m. i/ g& f7 J: F其實係...
$ G) O9 B2 ^7 R" O因為以前未生產, 先消費5 h) M. b- G5 f" k7 _' G
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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