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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( j& k$ H/ n4 {" _" ~! M' MWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) P4 J5 B, r) i- \I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 G! h+ M# K0 c6 u3 G( B/ vso銀行可以不斷放款* \& S+ L8 ?" K' ?' }' l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界. Q3 _2 A# Q" ]6 N; o8 t  n
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mortgage loan
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2 G2 |, _! {. h>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)0 [( d. h" c- E" m' O3 m( T" e& v
>arranger
7 ^! Y1 v( l$ ?* e3 R9 U>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
$ L5 L+ c2 g! X& m, U最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ N# d$ L7 ~6 j
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 [  u, v$ R5 R6 D" N. _
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." j; ]6 O  e5 B$ ?, |  @
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 b7 U0 ^' O+ `) C  c" s, u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 o" O5 l" s7 v% b
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% l+ ]* d$ y& U1 g4 K0 t
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 u* c1 S) O' O! |9 _
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' D8 y7 g  J/ M1 N' N
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
% i8 F! d- M6 |, d2 o2 jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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# q! j: B. M4 o' |- Yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 S5 f* O# m& o  S" X) f" J
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.; m# @4 r8 l5 U. M4 k
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- a- G! H1 C+ W9 w' xA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 }+ Z& c' g- \1 Y, v4 hThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 e8 ]/ k) {" }6 L3 ?but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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' ~. B/ B' O9 i3 h7 e/ \& M8 D[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) a+ T7 j! J1 c; c2 VRefer to last example,- J) e1 f! H( n% L. h" x
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A " x; @6 W9 s3 L4 B1 o: q. m. D
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 B1 `) R; h  F5 E0 x) e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& M1 [7 d" @' wso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' W) i; v* Q4 s2 E2 g% y( _% }
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 d# a. |8 [$ g' b

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% T) }3 F# r0 a: m! A3 F; t2 Tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 J# U4 k6 M3 {4 ~- I% c6 kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 e% e( c; \2 C9 b( s  Q) y( `
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 |% U& J$ Z) m+ l$ Q9 G9 O1 k
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ h( c" _6 n8 R  ?) f小弟一直都唔明...
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0 P' U' S2 E1 a) q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: @+ N- W. ]3 K5 U) \. X無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 v* l% L9 M6 J8 V3 t2 h

3 r  S5 ?( |% h6 H9 [& u敬請各師兄解答- w5 c& E) Z* ^
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Thanks
! t- l% e% t$ R8 V5 _那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 ]4 T3 S. c" e& C+ \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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+ J; y3 |0 r1 f" J8 ]% H: s3 ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! [+ w) O1 D5 ^/ A
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
9 F# C& Y* I/ `於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ X$ q, |( `7 _/ g! I* l
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" S) v( O) p" U6 }# z0 q
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; ]. b1 W- r' I# H& s" S; ^  v計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# o" _( O- Y9 u% H7 H. u$ G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法+ W( n( [) k- T
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 B9 r+ e; d% o+ s- p: ?! v
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺! N/ i2 i0 g: v6 J8 v1 o2 I& d* W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, w  ~- B9 o( t' Y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" G( f+ T3 H( J0 G/ j4 @2 {; n
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% y0 ]7 |  m- c" i

/ o3 y! ~6 }8 D你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 }. J& r8 m8 b$ m' r# E6 l$ V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 V* d( O. ^3 v5 R$ }! Q3 k
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) g3 h; m5 a4 B4 x1 i0 T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; H5 _+ u* W/ |/ @2 U唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: h9 V9 l( N5 K- C咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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+ {% A& v. o5 {& y2 ^5 Y正係咁樣" @2 n, j; v" G9 o: S2 _* ?
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 j) u3 A" ~) f' h  q分分鐘佢地唔使還錢, W/ w! t3 v; F* C

6 H" l( z+ t- m& X再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 [7 G1 L# D. p" O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: v6 g& L  q9 l, B1 A' \% K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( U& F/ R) F# D* ~
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 }3 u' n6 `$ G& N咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 G' x6 M3 a1 e. d其實係...* B; z0 \* R: ^# Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ T8 _9 W4 o/ [: Z' O0 i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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