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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 _  T" p, k* n1 K9 O7 K/ o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: S6 T. h1 ?) t8 z! L
I was so confused.....
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' T# e/ |  R- A* s講到尾都係賺錢
, e& U( m9 Z6 m! X+ Hso銀行可以不斷放款
/ z. b6 u3 s6 s3 y  P# w美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界# k! s! r2 }, K
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mortgage loan $ `7 D4 H$ d" _! U  s4 o% b
>conduit
7 c$ w5 h- \) N" P5 J6 z( v2 i>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 J/ a0 ^! e! [
>arranger6 u( \3 P! c. t; S+ [% V
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.9 C. w; }1 F, B+ l7 \1 F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ N9 K, a" j4 T
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." I2 L8 [/ \# j4 ]5 X$ _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' f; V+ H' U) s) l! G( w" M
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 A' g: R, I( Z5 \2 F& u" E3 x7 J) a; pAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.1 s! {  |! d, n
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# E4 a5 I1 L4 [% ]normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 l- B$ K) _3 w, d" {/ I4 W- I/ P+ M
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - Q) A$ Y+ O1 n5 q& |. o
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: S: N# a4 Q* Q  k7 j9 Y$ A
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
3 \0 i' G; i: B/ x  H3 k! D3 iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" H4 z. s7 V3 q- r' KFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' c% i0 O( [; c' q+ D2 X3 [A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 j( r* Y* Q$ j6 v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % H$ B' V1 j0 x2 T
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 q  ]3 R9 V  s

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; V# w5 Z! F. x+ V2 t% B! c  i+ }Refer to last example,
. `0 G: E* ?; S  a6 f  p& uthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 I  q" T3 v: l- \# x/ W8 F; z2 }0 I4 jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 N3 Y) u" Q6 f# y/ k, u1 jtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
1 B6 |" u- x$ o. R6 M% ^5 zso does it mean if E failed to pay D, : v& o, l! E5 H& h% m% L
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?; t- n  ~7 m  O% M" X& n2 S

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 h* |# B' t9 M$ D
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " r- M% i7 S3 S2 m7 [1 G( S- J0 n' K
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ y, Y* ^& D: f, Tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: z7 t9 A9 W* U$ D  b
小弟一直都唔明.... q) i" B+ i1 ?1 H% E8 W( _
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?: |, @5 ?8 y- d8 w8 y9 E

. {3 ^& S+ J, [2 Q% Y無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 Y, h. p$ z5 I. Q/ t
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敬請各師兄解答( J/ r; U& w. W

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, g/ f; ]" S& x% Y' n各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% m# ^  ?% P7 R( o0 n+ A當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ Z0 O4 r8 I) V, ^/ K* _8 w於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) J# \9 \4 c6 g% @個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 }9 N# h1 H: `- c扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. W+ p$ q& B, V7 I$ O3 R) a. O計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- `8 ?5 e$ G3 ^% c, X) b' x前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 Z; k/ g9 G& g6 g4 S2 V; v
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 K0 E3 W7 K' j" u/ R" S但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 I2 V+ H4 L" s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, $ N8 t1 e1 A% e& h% ]8 D, _% E/ d
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: x! J; q! n% I1 _8 R( Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; q% x4 W# G& _3 Y; H' P3 _/ G% M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * ^3 q% R2 z7 A
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 Q; I$ Q; H# G8 S% ]" M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 b" T6 A* Q$ v. K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 Z; x) _, z9 Z" `2 ^8 }唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 C5 s& D8 L' T" h6 Y6 z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
2 h+ X8 Y4 o# m& c其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- Q" H3 s3 V& I. a$ G3 j  t
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  y* _. x; e  `( K
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& l) S7 E7 u2 H8 \+ g6 s4 U3 F! d
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 n4 V; l2 _: S$ d
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& Z6 y% p' ^* P' O8 u9 Z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ @1 A6 ^. j# n
因為以前未生產, 先消費; W  i) g6 h  u9 Q2 r( A
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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