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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) E/ @* a( ~/ x" S7 v
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- j" K: s) ~! K1 r3 m5 U2 C
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢' t9 D! `) s- q' P) X
so銀行可以不斷放款% ?+ I  `& j6 }5 y( ^
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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5 v2 \  a0 o7 f2 @& Q. }  t>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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" X8 P) m8 K6 G3 Z' S( f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 v8 \' i; m: K- V( j
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# R+ q: {9 g  M
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
1 A% S# @4 G2 ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ ^+ \7 w1 F4 j  X9 h! Cmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, J2 ~* f# z% @  ~
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, ~8 m. S: @0 l. I( T2 j7 c$ W3 D" dAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 I" F3 q; H% v" j! zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 w/ k) e" H# W& p% Snormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# Y. Q+ X. u- m4 @eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ J1 @' z/ _. N- F$ {: Zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' g8 p0 f* b1 d3 e8 |8 eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  }1 m: X7 h" H; Z4 X1 \' d
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 ]/ J1 o& y0 J2 c8 U/ vFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,, Z% _8 ^8 G- i' D
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* F& s& t- V/ k8 gThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , k' m4 a$ \- X9 `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% O- D# u/ a# k, N2 c( B( {

: e: c# C* Q& q1 ~4 _[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, B  N# b1 X+ q! d# B; F; ^
Refer to last example,2 t, P8 ]8 ]( I" V$ Y0 P6 ]/ @
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ! J* M: l( M; Q# [+ f$ Z* K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ' N- ^* W2 |! c
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
1 |! d4 ?* I  h6 n8 u2 [9 \so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ e5 L4 F9 Y2 z* A1 Qall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + F- i4 u8 p4 \: r* Z7 k( F, e
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 P0 i" n; N. }% o8 ?3 H
it's the problem of the debt itself.
, M, O9 ^" f- j8 r9 gthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 T  B, c" P1 y  h
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) T4 n+ W$ N$ k' Z) p

4 C* Y0 n" _& Y, ^) a無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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0 H; \7 _- o5 }3 Y敬請各師兄解答! [4 \" n( ~7 W8 C: z/ |! }

" B& G, I! f8 j4 |Thanks
( M, c) c, R) `: [1 l1 l那些根本係 紙上財富  
6 n/ t5 j2 x6 B, `, z2 o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic  n9 w* b2 y8 Y
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 b% S- V+ w# ~3 ~% d: B3 K當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; w3 B3 }4 @) e/ _於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; b+ C3 E$ `$ [7 \+ `) q' b個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
/ N5 c( g. l1 B( {扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* L# P. F4 a( _# S" x% K計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ t  `8 p. J; N& s1 p  `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 [& q3 v) |6 l/ O; o8 U
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# W+ V  }. {) E/ S& n) _+ ]9 D
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& b; t: H/ _9 e: `3 ~% _例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' H  A1 x1 _# B+ K; r" O6 r
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 b3 E8 Q, g! v/ E9 [/ o+ Q
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, $ Y1 m: R$ C0 Y- r8 T& ]
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % ?4 J: I9 l  V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * N# c, V# i3 G9 T* Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
0 X( \6 \% a2 ?咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( T) X2 e7 c" q7 K. x, c唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- e" J& y0 P5 T, A3 e! t/ P8 e0 {2 e淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* j9 @6 E& ?9 {呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! w0 n2 M1 g* _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% M7 u1 a$ V' w5 ~1 [8 O. R正係咁樣
* V! ?0 k( B) d/ l. W其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 h1 R& T1 h) V' v
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ B/ ]1 S7 L  b4 O" h" J
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ N  G* B. @( ?. n  `; H) B一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ T1 B" R4 U* _% v" ]8 N5 M
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 V# e% j0 r- C6 Y/ R0 j" c% x8 S
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 ^# K9 O* T3 X9 l/ Y2 `. l因為以前未生產, 先消費& i3 H. |* \* G+ Y- }
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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