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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 u! M. i- ]2 E5 l, J9 @
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! B9 S5 Z/ d) U4 j" k$ R2 h
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢' i4 H" d; z5 {+ V! E3 e
so銀行可以不斷放款
  n: b! }, h' I" x+ r6 f# @# V美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界* Z0 I7 j- B# g* j* |1 @

; ^6 v: J, j! U6 @  mmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" ^5 A5 F, `( j' K3 O) E
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 j" t$ G4 F6 x' lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* h% D& i. Y' G$ }: F5 Fmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.( D) G9 v: ^, o9 u4 R: I
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" L- e; Z$ h  j' Din other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# t. Z, O$ ~5 ~$ H/ hAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ k* l, X0 M6 N4 B2 ^. d
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 a' O) E) j& q$ _$ J+ c
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 v3 j$ u; q1 C9 S1 E& w( g
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 Y8 \0 d0 n' a, j5 @banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 Y; f# S# d% T; M( ]* oin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 q* S) y8 t9 `& K6 H1 Q
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," O8 S6 P" J* O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  Q6 j' G; j# n) Z& eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 [9 |1 Q; ]' ]  A& C1 q' `+ Nbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 ]# F4 k9 }9 S* S, K1 n" @, a7 [Refer to last example,
5 d! V* ?2 m5 @9 M" K9 Cthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , D4 g* R& H5 h7 [: f7 ]
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; k- I/ ?( }! I
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E1 j$ K5 w1 o& u0 v: Z2 V
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 S; _4 u- Q7 j# {all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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. ^( }) S: M7 t5 ^the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 t2 u  A4 B3 |' R$ o7 P3 a% bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 u- M; e+ V1 F8 G; M# l% ?! Z1 n3 |it's the problem of the debt itself.
6 h5 L7 ~) p* F4 J$ d  F- K! ithe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 p" U% F0 C3 |' p: o6 ?. t小弟一直都唔明...9 p) @' J/ I# E& p1 Q1 B

8 U' N4 k. q/ {3 B5 A全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答0 O1 h) s) k! x3 Y/ s
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Thanks
# D/ d9 ~  s- F: C6 Q# X9 @  B8 h那些根本係 紙上財富  ! _5 h" l4 N4 n. U% D
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- Q- X: ~4 k+ j  s; Y$ S% C+ Q7 I
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, A6 J; y4 Z8 C, s
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- ]# s8 Q4 T) c. b6 j1 s
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! }* b+ i) W6 n! k個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! S# B1 }# m/ D2 q* X扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 ]! M9 K$ D; [* c
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ O6 X- a# x! {$ f; h/ @前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法* G/ ?, v8 b# x* D3 P' ^# \
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; ?& ?( N( [/ X) U: z' }但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 \" F- Y# k* g4 V) s5 o7 G1 W9 K例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 3 o6 @. Q3 x* o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 i1 N, o% D, x  q. n; J+ \. w所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 l" ]% D, o  v9 h. p; S" r0 y9 A
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% W2 p" S0 V. {7 n: n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# j3 B, `% n& H) I. d6 L9 ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 D( P4 C. n; V) Z% g
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 r: y9 g- W' p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
% O1 c6 ^! r: H  l其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
! d, @) H7 ~" d0 Z7 C分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 V; w3 V; k8 G) z2 x( B

5 {3 ^) {" \' S8 X. C* b# j; a8 }7 w: G再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
: m4 ?2 t7 i2 Y連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 Y% Q9 B" ?( C! f
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
2 y; [$ H1 n: `  D編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 u! t2 y/ C# J/ z0 J  p
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...- c8 h- G, z  b+ d$ n
因為以前未生產, 先消費% ~: x+ k. D2 U7 p( M
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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