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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; K8 S- F% Q; r/ i- Q$ l  Z2 {. g/ _Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' M, K. \& J, B* g4 {I was so confused.....
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2 y3 }4 P7 {, @( d" b講到尾都係賺錢
0 ?: j2 ~. E$ T; A; pso銀行可以不斷放款, \5 |- y3 m; f
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
! [9 p6 n2 Q+ {: K, |>conduit
: [% o1 r4 ~* e" [>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
$ c# I1 w- W. q>arranger
) o6 I3 o4 b3 @9 b- I2 y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
4 ]! v1 R  r  d' w: U最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.6 \5 T3 ]+ i2 z1 c0 q2 M6 \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ N" k8 n% [% c, y) k  \  ]% j7 u
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* u2 F/ v" l" K8 z) O, {+ m" D
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ B; P  S. j) e) P/ j! O5 }; b4 r% R+ @5 z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 [" C8 }$ D! ]# lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( [7 [  z% i: K6 R& u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  C0 n0 }3 q" Q/ u& L/ n
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ S, f9 t+ D0 [eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ {: J8 I' q/ x# @9 Zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., j; o7 r& c3 A- D) q
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# f, H4 G* k- ]in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 ~  [1 y/ s% r0 i- n5 m/ M
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. ]- U9 _8 H% m+ a7 ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ o! N+ b& S% v4 b* eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 }. @$ K$ J/ F/ N# E( y) W
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: S3 G, N+ W0 H3 u$ ~! g4 y

! C3 k. x5 i. @4 Y: P* T) t7 \[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 V& z& ^, r2 {. r; uRefer to last example,
3 D+ x0 f! @: `$ X( \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
- H3 C: h! V9 C: EBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
$ L$ O, r& ?" dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E0 N- b& G/ W) j" _- A+ ]0 p; I
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , D" H# B7 M, s% G4 w( D
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) l2 \* U& ?( F3 Rin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
; c  X/ v9 L  M: h/ J) Pit's the problem of the debt itself.5 i7 A6 \! m1 r/ S* m
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! l. X  I: `+ l) v( j0 q小弟一直都唔明.... X9 q# v1 H" `; K' K

! F' S& J: ~0 {* C! s全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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# b3 q+ g( N0 E$ r; I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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2 U% K. P$ Z7 c) `: ~! R敬請各師兄解答$ E; {' K0 O8 Z. L# K& q

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  w9 A" f+ H# C& c那些根本係 紙上財富  
( p& C1 t9 E. d5 \' D; x各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 v" t8 b0 {0 n! I

) p. f3 M9 u5 ]9 i) i6 Whttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# D' C8 V3 H$ q# u1 a2 _. Z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ I1 ^+ k# `9 D( C2 @$ `
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; e& U8 V5 R: P- q! Q' a% ~個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 {5 M9 |9 P7 C3 y9 s扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 i. M7 L2 L5 G3 t, T
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' O4 z$ l1 o1 l0 C6 Y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 s9 ^2 @! E1 G9 X) X( o5 D3 n- R
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
) T8 ?/ `4 H$ I0 {+ q$ ?但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺5 ?5 K( d) x, c& x3 A
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' R4 g# F  y# Q' E" @/ r7 I$ G; I
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 M" y1 l8 v" g6 v2 Q* R. f; l1 @, T所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# A( i6 ~; l  ^9 i0 T- X

" A) e( K* q  C, r( ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - A- `/ J+ d* R. x1 t
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' B$ O8 |0 M' j/ H, x' d( W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 s. ?# ^, z( S+ x2 P) h5 b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  ~7 ^6 z4 U$ N; t% J* h
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: J  x4 B( @' ^) W
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% _/ ^1 m, J6 S0 e4 T; O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 T& P7 n. W5 b0 O* ^正係咁樣8 t) t& Y/ U7 b0 D5 }" f
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業5 C8 p7 ]0 ?! T
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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' G) }$ B7 X! b- R* r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) Y6 l" L, G( P; q
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 `6 A, h! r/ U8 ~一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 y9 l4 |8 L( U. R# V3 v  ?
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! R; _/ `5 Q8 b' p9 G$ c1 b, K) O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; _: w& y" R; v1 a7 u其實係...
  M7 \8 S) j9 {$ @5 `7 v因為以前未生產, 先消費
) X+ |5 {; p1 h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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