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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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. t) Q% p1 N2 M( {# ^) A. K* i# rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) z% ]8 Z1 ]' _: ]+ s

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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# {. n! m$ E, _! S$ Y2 q- w' w. Z$ y. }( A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維  d/ v. y8 D. _/ R3 ~0 f
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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. \8 L/ j' P% }' {3 V打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 h4 B: P7 J# S0 \, S  g: g) k$ I$ x8 k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 V4 s# i% ^2 D3 s; k' c' XIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:2 h% A6 Z2 C6 |8 x2 b/ i

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+ {1 y; y- f. s0 V7 TAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. f; ~& e* _. l" O他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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3 Z1 q0 F7 ~/ k3 C" C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 t( u6 _1 M2 n5 ~% `" @+ l7 N

' K; F3 a$ C- \  e$ q9 S8 Lyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......