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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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# z. c5 w5 c  o. ^but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 s8 U0 ^& ~, I  J: a

- f/ |0 x0 w* h9 a0 G) f( wbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- i) m2 o0 C! k3 R2 wBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( A! L2 Q* G& s7 y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:5 b, D) h9 J7 k' N

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6 H! I2 ]7 [! Q6 }5 ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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4 ?4 C* R: g, w+ H: f& y! ~3 q軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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  A1 B# |4 s: `3 M) [. ^打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:1 B) R# b1 f9 s
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& s4 u) x2 z* D; Z7 W

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3 X" k+ O$ O9 r; O+ nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& P) l2 U; p2 c" K6 m8 J5 Z
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$ O# x/ y8 s9 ?, l0 ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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/ I4 o& q8 s! eyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......