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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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. V3 D% f3 e. F  e: }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% Z& d) O* H- l4 L& w
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 t, u/ J0 Z: X( Q0 K6 w

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  D/ x+ m& T4 l% y- M# TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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! A1 B* K9 p' I* c. K2 p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus. q5 E" ?0 f. L1 G9 P: s6 X0 r9 ?

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 a! b( t. C, F$ }. t

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4 y0 _: d( a, O2 ^' ?% Q+ A9 [打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:& \3 p* Y. B; ~! q  z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:( F4 H$ e3 E8 K8 s& E& D
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: ]5 g7 h4 @5 o0 c5 [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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; O0 I; V: e* x- d9 E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

1 g- y- v" ~) I1 Hyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......