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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; |6 W6 |! ^0 q

$ w8 j: u- V! @but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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9 j  m* l  u8 C6 I  lBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  t7 }  y+ L6 V7 n* ?- o, a
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" r; v$ d' S7 B3 f/ v

9 ^1 Y) g, k0 Q: b" ~5 b' @軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; P8 `& o0 S! }& [6 X/ O' m
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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2 {7 ], W- m. }7 V1 }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:/ O# B. z) p4 e
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: H) G* y  M1 t( O- V
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. Y+ @' v. c- {0 |他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:( R8 Z3 ^, {3 c; Q3 S) y1 v
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4 ~8 Q: l/ v5 x; d9 g0 ?  V8 @$ OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 ]* o9 a1 y3 Q$ s" Y' w7 Y3 P: T他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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# c+ g9 l0 ?! `% n; M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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' S: T9 [! B0 l7 oyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......