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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% g: i) d) S% ?
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:1 n9 r; a4 p- Z2 p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ b# m4 o1 T& V$ f5 ~. U
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 ~+ }8 ~; p" t" X2 u

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8 a* n9 e" x; H4 s" s; ^4 JBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ l4 ]/ X: ~* \8 e# A. j
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* d0 y  ~1 n1 {0 Z& ~其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus1 P) F# G0 y7 E9 x! Z: u
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 [& y" S0 V; a9 D' L  l( L
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# F& {: {( s* q3 [1 D
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( Z6 E# Q+ d* \( |In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) X5 {: h6 h# \  V. S: L

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6 y# X" V" N9 O1 s& ]  xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:8 J% m" U$ y' u1 _

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:2 K6 ], v' q( z- Q1 U

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! O6 U( N$ _- C5 p- Y0 d& d2 q5 S& q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ l3 Z2 f# J! ~5 h# a7 a
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......