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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 T5 ~: |) S( S. r# L/ [

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7 F- b- w, e! g6 g8 R9 F智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) y# k" y" U4 q( c- u: C3 z
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 d" Z, c) a0 E8 ]$ ^5 Z
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- v4 S4 P- S, o6 {  b& Z
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:& Y! b4 m3 j) l) P6 a2 ^! e

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3 S" W; q4 T5 n. A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus; E' h& g& \, C! E7 q
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.2 {2 F- y% d5 X2 g- |

! \- X/ m# @4 [# V打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 ^8 D, @; ^6 o# B/ }

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* P: G$ d$ e7 |: d: g1 P
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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! ]& K/ U4 N" v5 w* t& Y他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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, R; p# ?; J2 ~' D5 {7 k# ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. V+ I* ~. f2 z4 |) v. r( q) f

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: |3 Q6 ^0 }* ^. H" ^他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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( A4 {$ `% G2 v: W. d% oyes, that's the point.

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6 w5 Z& q& x% x9 |4 a# B( F' F陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......