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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  y: v0 h. |* x& C8 B7 N1 T

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 t) Y* O* L- `% s+ A
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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0 Z& r& L+ J( T  k. qBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ A$ |1 f& [$ `: `" t

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) ?/ C! D( I' h& d1 G
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why?
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, b: G$ g% y. [. k. U" hsee #22 Thus
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$ s1 x8 w' y: D# D: I* Q- |6 Y! C: ]智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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8 }* l0 [3 v0 R2 v5 Y( G# Z# S+ f政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" i2 T6 C& a8 q9 p
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ V; U+ e" Z+ Q$ ~. W1 P
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他比孔明更偉大

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% q  P- _/ O2 q8 ~7 `4 B: I0 [/ y% DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! @5 O/ r7 d- X% o. _; X" v

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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  V' Q9 |! h+ G1 p$ x他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

  G/ J; f8 G5 b$ byes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ u  M* U9 p$ K8 C/ V! ]
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yes, that's the point.

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