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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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5 h$ U0 w6 M5 t智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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& ]+ ]4 [% Y# d2 R& ~) KBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 G3 I( P3 \+ t
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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5 l8 X4 P, P4 I! e1 }$ H$ YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus, k% b/ {% ^3 A3 N9 c

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* A- g( b! K* A1 ]

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% W( |, a) M; A
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
- Q& }; P9 L! E! G/ \1 lIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; Q6 {1 Y2 D' F2 b+ |
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" o% ^; e; C' o& f' d

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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8 V1 R! N0 u1 |% A, f9 [8 L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:( K* h$ e7 A! E/ x! B
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ R- D% G5 _! C' i9 N$ ?6 ~

) S9 `% R" l9 }- K( Z7 g5 K! k% Nyes, that's the point.

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3 j( W9 c% M9 B( D, w& n( M! \陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......