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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% @: V# z, c* @# {# c
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 `' U& v0 X* U0 m# x

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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- a6 \' q2 b& G/ ?( B, L其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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8 ], r: B4 d: ?) R智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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1 Y5 W7 u$ ?: T, c5 E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮., ~; k& A$ q  m! e9 Z9 z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 \, v7 X1 O/ P4 QIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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9 \) d2 N0 @1 P9 h: v0 y% l! a他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; r; R& J# |" }2 A

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+ o3 ?5 N; n' v; m! J1 C" R; ]; B, NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 {: d$ C, X; l* ~

' m) \: q& w7 |( R+ H/ @+ S/ yyes, that's the point.

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