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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 R: P, j% V8 o; D- B6 B- c6 P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( K! T/ D0 v3 @" u8 T" s
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0 R6 f, ~% |0 g' Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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) P; ~2 ^+ i$ p: f4 Z) m0 `0 WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->, |& Z# k' A: \% S# P! T7 k( I
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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8 U# ]8 p& a8 B, N打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" [3 u; _, |& a. T! a( Q: I% B; A$ U
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:! }8 O/ \8 `7 U8 [0 f- l$ `

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:8 \- o/ t9 [; ~2 P  p
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% z# S# l. S8 C7 }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 c. d& l2 }8 l
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......