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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, N! i: @9 W& t( e+ U) v/ H5 K

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; W- \" v# a' ^: N' x( T  i
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: A* t3 }6 l7 |/ }, e

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:3 w  l5 V2 A9 E; P1 j
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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; v/ G' @4 Z0 Y+ F# a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 j6 x1 Q" `7 c) v( \6 x

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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  K5 d6 X' I; \, f( e* m軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# r! m  G; j( }/ x

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:; M" w# J0 v; R! n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 t1 Z% E9 O2 c

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- y$ P& P; f8 \4 o" d

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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/ u; ^: ~: p7 q! x/ ]6 |: X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  o( O- T0 a" `, p, l! n

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