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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" A8 l. X  U7 k2 F3 D0 Z

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) x4 Q, B5 G, ?# y5 u$ @0 [

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* H) D- w: s- O# D, m' [

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus4 w" h# y/ E  i' W& Z) Y: o( v

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 r) o9 v& [& u8 |2 l; m. `
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( @) ]6 ^1 z7 H2 D% v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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7 n, i1 P4 s" x3 h7 ~& v0 j. _他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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* c1 X0 X& u6 bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 B: t* E  ~5 h. ]

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" W7 g1 J/ }7 v) y$ e  @Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 M1 s. _  t: t9 n& ^2 H& c" o, J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 f" x0 g4 ~9 ?! r* h

( F  p6 [( S, D0 R/ M9 Gyes, that's the point.

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