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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 A; o" I3 j9 [  W) {0 C! S) P

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& T' ^8 |" Z$ e4 m" _

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( K; m& Y: h, \! C9 U/ u
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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3 `$ s3 L, R8 ]But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 J: N* N1 y6 C2 Y5 D+ K- Z

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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  _! S$ C4 T% L. z9 U打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: q& i0 _+ c+ r! g* z
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:9 ?3 R' @' {' i, F$ i% I% M  b  p/ g
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  W; _$ r! D# _. E& x: s' A

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) w  s' L& t3 FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 g3 x) R+ N1 @* d2 ~

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( x6 l7 |3 V, J8 k; F3 B他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 Z3 F5 _& F) C
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......