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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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5 G: ^$ {/ O4 H: U智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ i' G' p2 S. |, pbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" G. \- v8 O- R) o

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) b0 l. ^' m; z" r7 zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?2 d1 @3 M/ K/ j' i. P

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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0 G0 }6 o& }+ t& a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維1 C& s2 {7 ^6 y' |( E9 h

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8 O8 v4 O/ a9 R打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 G3 Z( O4 A; P( `4 S, o; m5 N+ W+ [6 LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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% T4 t: ?1 g$ Q: CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 X, {- ~9 {* e# C8 ?
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ w1 ]% e; i2 z* O9 M* v他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:1 b9 ?  A# _$ g6 D8 Y" ]: _
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# Y1 t/ M) _6 ^. ^6 c: j5 Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' {& G( F9 R* z4 Z" T# n" y/ `

) N3 w2 A% w. u0 V+ ], hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......