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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# K: l* [! N( G7 }- t* j% H
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! i* K9 E5 k# o+ ]
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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# Z9 z, U3 J1 J5 e0 |2 RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 {& a8 L0 ]( o+ F' q

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4 @! y8 {5 j! K. A/ `. d( F: nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:2 I' g  a  g% E& e. I# e8 O0 a4 D
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* i; B2 [4 w7 O1 q7 l
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維" ^7 `) O  q+ ^

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+ D. Y) \! T7 }. X5 _. X' d打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. S& q4 y  H4 X% T7 w: l3 ]In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 P0 r) y7 }- P$ w& L

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他比孔明更偉大

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3 \2 c6 K' ?$ a. V& aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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: i9 m6 k# Q) K' c6 _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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! Q; q( O) p# i( z; t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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+ O/ Z% ^/ V7 D; e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......