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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& M/ e  B) J5 T" J+ U. J& k7 k/ a

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 `2 h! C8 R: w7 r: E
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: A  x0 [' s7 x7 z2 [. x2 U$ {

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維5 ]& L: Y) g7 q& j2 o

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$ b9 c5 a& z; \- q6 n) b* @打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% C3 j6 P& y6 ?- ~+ I  x+ s
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ ?+ z3 P/ U, E% A# @, V  R! ?4 o
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4 _+ |  l0 J  ~7 x% T% E) hAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) j: x9 ~) y7 `2 \& R! U
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- z: x. f. Z5 [5 W# E4 p, C5 q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......