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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: W+ x  W7 Y, i0 W$ Y

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" t2 [. n" Q- W: Z) d& v
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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* o  F6 f. z2 f# f1 e" M. HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 ~$ ~" U& f+ H+ P7 L' _. |
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; u8 k9 B9 |; E6 @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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3 {$ `; `7 R0 I% n其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) @* y8 @+ K5 Z+ {
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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2 G( [5 x8 y1 m. l% p- p智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% A5 _) d& e7 m$ r5 X+ v2 p: v  j

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.7 y" h3 W2 K/ |2 o
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' q0 ~  a9 `3 f( @1 S! e1 j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 i7 }( g5 d5 |* V. V$ c6 ~+ |6 ~
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 q* g& e' {4 U, A# Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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8 ~' L' ^; @' R) }! b/ G$ M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......