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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 [; Y* B# l7 i) z5 t) T) b0 Z; }  Q
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 e. B, {  `2 d' N0 h0 B) J2 N
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. o: ]6 W0 p' O: C7 a" w8 w, s
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! S9 K9 \7 n+ i0 n& M" q! i4 `
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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( {; o* X' w8 Z軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ C7 ?( D9 e9 |; l- v0 j3 W
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: ^8 f2 ^9 W8 B4 q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( ]+ ~+ F* q# `& o4 |. W5 g/ pIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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6 r. k/ Y, d2 r8 _% X$ x; a4 k他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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; U/ w: y; J; I' N9 a. c+ JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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" [, v+ s' o; j1 B( `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; I  y& o8 \: c8 D  W( m) R
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......