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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 v: Q- T# ~7 Z$ c. e
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, G9 R+ ~5 V" H5 Z( m
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( D9 G8 E5 }0 v' mBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- Q% c/ M$ V8 [( W/ i1 F4 F
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& V4 |  f  j4 M3 j; t3 m

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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/ H: M% Q" s( H其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  h+ ~: j+ ]# O5 ~

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see #22 Thus' b6 ~: B9 Z$ M! [" n2 \7 C
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維( Z, z2 \- Z$ {% J! Z0 n6 k

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# g( O0 i+ K4 H0 oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 C% I" }5 ]2 a

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 t% P7 M# P6 a) b* o. |
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; m* J6 f8 r# w4 H# i. `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# i3 P4 ^$ c. F3 e; \

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1 C+ @; l# J) O2 R3 F& V) o他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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