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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% J( X  l( _3 r9 k6 U- h* _3 O
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) n8 W+ M( m! ~0 x6 B/ z, ]; p0 x

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/ w( r3 z5 y" t: C: w. uBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' `& p+ B+ `/ m. L. L
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:+ l+ s- Z. [) i
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  X4 |4 E. m3 o4 pBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ e& ~8 P; f& p0 q# x; T

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why?8 S  H4 X  z" i' |! v" w2 o4 E

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see #22 Thus
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1 y5 y& T* B! C( g+ I( `智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維5 }. j1 Y7 _4 S! y8 j8 v& q- L

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# L" G' p' v- b/ n3 D9 U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# [/ h7 {6 D3 w) w/ a4 q; G* `
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; ?" R8 z! i* v0 g# ~

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& J/ r3 T- x8 R( a: P/ Y  Y! N8 n

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+ t. A9 C% v* z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% R$ O9 N3 G/ A
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yes, that's the point.

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