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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) ?+ q! R7 ^& f
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 D4 W" o6 p( G( ]) o3 G% Q/ q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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* z* s) l4 k5 L; e8 g' h, W$ hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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" M% r( R, _" y( a+ G- h' b其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?- d. w( b. @/ f9 w* V2 h" ?

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. q% ~" Q+ T) q. Psee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ e2 Y4 W( S8 x- k2 bIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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+ b% `' B; U8 K他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:2 p  D& R1 c8 f% |* M

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1 e; o; Q) Q+ O0 O( }4 o: J( b8 k2 kAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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3 e9 Z3 b5 N1 l: f* c他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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8 a+ |6 ~5 r( G3 E2 b. G, D8 Ayes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......