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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# x" a* \# f' ?4 k/ o

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.$ @8 v. W; \5 v& ^. k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 z/ Q9 `* Z0 |+ |2 l
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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0 b1 a, ?* T4 N4 s0 K其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; M& m2 G# {/ L$ E# j" v

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see #22 Thus
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5 `" ?. _6 _; n; R* N0 M7 ]6 `智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->2 ^8 v, W# p; y: S) C  {6 \

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% b. g* g# f7 h9 K. v/ s打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 F) j1 f! `% H- }In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 o% x9 U! B1 a

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他比孔明更偉大

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7 B: F2 ?1 `8 U! P. j/ cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 r/ ]$ Q; W/ y7 `

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4 X. v4 D4 ~* Q- l7 N5 ]5 i: CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 t) K: ^% C, T! s: |; w

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......