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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 k7 [9 ?1 H5 e$ J( U

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* Z9 o8 ^$ S2 V5 F9 XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ O! q3 {, s; L! S/ ^" J; h

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why?
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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5 y. A" Q. `# O& w! o. ^, B8 r軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維  a& e& A- K+ h, [

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4 X" o, P$ z' b打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 B$ E) \; G6 W# j% O
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  }6 l  x0 g6 R
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 r- i; E2 p2 q) ~6 `  q0 `
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他比孔明更偉大

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9 l8 e$ g) B+ M3 ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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6 Y# g1 R2 C5 u% ^, L, _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 ], \, Y# W$ x% Z! ^1 v
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......