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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& J$ f9 h# ~% X' E$ _, S  ^6 `. X
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:* b' E% C. C% B
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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1 \- B  @- H3 V. I' f, ZBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: {$ z, g6 k: l
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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& a( m9 x- `2 l: ]/ S1 q" ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 a4 y- c- r, Y6 w! }. P
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, U1 Y' a1 P) F, u; c6 k: O" j
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 ^5 r; Q& Y/ j" \: Y) W
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 A) N9 s: s2 m' D

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 o" s: k" p0 i2 z3 AIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 w3 z! j2 b! z# |

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( ~2 _8 i! A! r# KAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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: _7 I6 W1 @3 S3 ^# O8 b- X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; c. B1 z) r$ L* {9 J
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* }1 _- K5 G8 c: I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. A7 A. ^0 u$ k/ i, k$ D# o. O& [  u

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