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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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- F/ h) H" ]6 F$ J, ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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2 U7 t& c+ e" L/ g) FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 T" m% s* ~% \0 V* C! \7 l

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. n/ Q% b% T( X1 f  |" g
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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9 z; B/ i7 K. o$ h- n# _why?
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5 R& d$ C! W' M$ }  b' l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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. U% Z  n2 X+ q/ A" j+ @( |- X$ i( R智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->0 G1 o4 E2 g. ~# o$ C

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. L' U0 Q7 h2 ]2 B+ W0 pIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 ?. u3 I5 ]4 _! F$ `# {" w3 T; G他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: D& K( [0 Q* c% Y: H. V& D

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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