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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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' a- |( k4 ?: Obut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" C+ {3 a. e$ V& m0 k
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* D# F9 z. v! v  j6 rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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$ w4 B# o, N+ e2 hwhy?
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" t# {& ^7 k5 c5 L6 B+ ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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1 Z' M2 M4 U" D# _5 e( K其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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1 u7 J( G) p( z. l& V4 Z5 \) r智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: S1 b) N  M- @7 J1 v
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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9 g" I$ ^) o- k+ l& Q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) J' N: g* ^5 k& G" t
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) b8 V& b1 C6 f& m0 J3 yIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  C6 N7 Y, {# Y' @9 L9 WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& h* d# [# Y5 F) S, ~; K) G
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% U1 U$ j' i7 H$ n) z* `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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" e& q; d, w. e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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