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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. Z+ F6 D' l# l  Y$ G- l
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% v' C4 y7 R; H; g, K6 b- X

! i4 f" B6 G2 m# }* S7 kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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7 i( K$ g" i3 hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮." m: R* z, k* \, R

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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% g$ P5 r( ]- Y& K# QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 f; @. f& V! p! ?' s6 v4 N1 }% B

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! u3 C) n( i7 [0 Q; v
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ c7 I, _; l8 F, pIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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1 }! M( g. u7 J7 w. p( lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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; W/ M2 y  @. ~1 f" Q' C4 U. T# {7 O他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ D0 w) y3 L* ]2 ~% ^
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yes, that's the point.

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