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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 ~, w7 r8 _/ J" N, r% I: [. [& L- y

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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; u7 x8 u  G& sBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) ^" _, J+ Z' r" o+ P+ o
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?! Q- i: ?  R9 m

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& y1 ]8 q9 P* }0 o  ^! f
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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: H. i) y- M3 @/ @打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& I: L  f1 T) [5 GIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 t  z& T2 f. r8 C
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, E8 S. }" ^9 U8 O
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

) ^  b+ ]' {! ]yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 @5 m( J; m: ]1 u8 W# P
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......