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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. m% ?3 U) I  r0 P+ |/ c' b
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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/ _2 e. s9 b9 o3 E; Vbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% k5 _# ~; X0 S" Q2 d/ F
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:9 p4 c2 |# x. H5 u) q: A+ r" g
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1 T& Y: ?% K# q: M# e; y& D) vBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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1 h& v  Q+ z7 F# @2 n" N. k* {其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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- _) E9 o) k- ~7 k: g; _8 _! E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus5 c2 R, o7 D: r$ ~6 ^* J( S$ O

6 w2 w2 V# [( [, V+ K# S4 e8 {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->2 p7 u6 Y# R, d1 i
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; l; s( ^' L( U: s
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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9 N$ X0 v  N4 o5 b7 P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  q/ b4 ~6 ^3 m' u' H: c
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
6 r) b0 v9 V0 A" f. J- }$ mIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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9 q4 _* J2 f$ Z$ I- T% e% yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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1 U1 ~6 m* q' U  rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! q- v$ f  O. a! y' t

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# y/ @% n# I* {. ayes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:" x$ |( ~; m9 k* x( ~

8 _  s' I% r* [, K* n8 e, ~! a6 ^yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......