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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: h" \4 g1 L# w: Z9 T
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5 G7 ?: b% T( U% u$ i智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, R, i/ s" y" a2 X# X' G; S. C

6 W6 s/ U, g8 a2 Gbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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& j4 r3 s; S; e8 q% y! |* h9 ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) p/ L& z" w3 L5 u
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! S7 T. z& Y& Q4 N

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& U0 ~) e8 t, `! }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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6 ^, Y' D6 h& r! M2 F9 B智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; {2 e; }+ B1 k: W% n

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. s5 |: c8 s8 E; b3 M' m& w( ?
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ w9 U6 |6 G0 U/ L6 }) a8 |In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 |: N  f8 d  J
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 y. c6 r! [! n5 g
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yes, that's the point.

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+ w3 {* c( C9 A& P( q" w& p" l陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......