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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 l( \# D4 Q) n5 m; f1 x
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- l, s& b5 c1 }, {/ J2 G4 N

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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5 I( L* A! h( W) d8 HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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see #22 Thus# D1 T4 ]  L; u# q
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; R$ U9 b$ c4 y! ^0 `" l; M

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.4 {6 a3 ?' u6 e/ `" U$ b% J

! |& L& X3 {  }; o6 }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.& S9 I9 f8 ~1 t7 m
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% t/ O! f# p1 h, a
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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" E# r6 H2 v7 N% B( vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  T; g+ |- Z) w- U9 Y
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:3 x. {; z; i% ]% l' V7 d
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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