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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, e! G/ D6 a1 c8 E
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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& r' b3 B; P9 R2 Ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( k( s4 Q/ e) N* Y/ w/ OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 C1 p# d: ^6 B8 A

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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! C0 y1 o3 J% }% H) j1 e3 @& zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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: V* J( N" N; r8 x1 ?# v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus# S: f2 I9 ]1 V0 v/ |7 Q+ f! @; S
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># n6 @& g7 z7 R

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% f3 g+ b* c, ?5 e

6 x; n# A5 Z8 T. H% c: P6 C; t9 p  k打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( H5 L: q% \4 \1 `( n

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# z4 q6 h5 J5 j
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:* N( D' I: L% Y9 g3 O& R
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) _' N4 Y  A0 a* F

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" v6 n" U' r$ ^+ k  w9 K5 E# K

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:5 ?4 x7 @! f# E( `4 |

' I( x" L" @2 n% ?yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......