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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:* M( K, P7 Y& L; Y1 p* D" O$ V: K
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 C4 I: R1 v3 M" \$ F+ f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 r$ B  C) ~! Y5 t5 [
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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; W* U( K; ~& H) X, w) C其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! r" _( X' g! [3 |( U: A
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( o" o" z4 y2 ^9 v" G6 I9 f4 u其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.' P" t  g# l+ L; Z

4 X* g' U- k! c/ B; J2 E打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) `% k  q3 V4 \# I

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
; A% R0 V/ g; H; J5 l/ IIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ q  |5 H7 B5 ?0 @4 L
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  [  P( y. t  h+ Y0 ^! {

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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5 `3 G& m2 F+ @% j他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:( e" ]7 U6 {& s8 w/ u: A* J+ p, o% M6 A

! B% h9 ^3 Q0 ?  \/ ?yes, that's the point.

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