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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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' D) [: b+ Z) L智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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9 }$ B* b. a3 N# Ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 R1 ?6 ^: K: v2 }
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* s: y! I- p- q9 {
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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( C+ y- `6 d6 \; c* q( L其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ |7 D  j' B" X5 @; S% |
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7 V  W0 r# R2 I2 E$ Wwhy?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus9 O% |; U, s1 h

1 I1 v5 C# u+ J智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' R+ |, z: h2 q) s* K
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details./ @4 Y; O  G0 G, H* [

# _! X; u; D% m0 Z: s1 }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# S6 o! ]  F( i  |: z8 U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( s9 a0 b6 x5 b1 u4 mIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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% H! J7 |" A0 Y" v5 C: R0 C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" y* K+ P; d4 |* w& Q
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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