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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( ?. e/ H  \* T# i( b* j
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:# L/ w! Z0 v) @2 |; M/ V

! @) D( E4 S" Abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* j% Q8 Z, g0 }
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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& r1 ^8 r; ^- I2 Z其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ V6 ~0 K% M7 ?" b/ r1 o

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9 r# C% ?1 `% M1 Z其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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) y& C) V# b+ i, L/ c" ksee #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維1 l& ]/ M( {2 q  b

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; W# a8 G; l$ p* X! F2 j2 J* A$ H

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' z- X, c9 u$ D3 G: `7 nIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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  I8 J8 ?6 F! A3 d7 x; b  }他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 V( T9 \7 q( S8 G
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$ S* E' Z& l# x/ h. B; T& n0 ]; NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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& o$ B, d5 k! A6 U7 a2 n$ c8 eAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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& B/ _. X9 D6 z6 {) h6 f2 B* D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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+ [9 }* ?8 m' m" @1 |0 V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

. t! m/ Q* n5 X* g* M1 Iyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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