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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  W5 ?: c9 ]9 V
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8 @5 j/ h& f) @智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- q- F7 F& x6 K! iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" q, l' L6 Z8 q1 J) q

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1 n" b9 S% R8 a/ O7 CBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 s7 g, ^# R3 m9 ~! ~2 C- [+ k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' O" h8 Q  w7 v8 v
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why?8 \; O# ?: {/ c# Y

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see #22 Thus
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+ _. g5 |- g7 i( _4 z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! E3 g; i% d& m3 B
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 e2 B; ~4 C7 y

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7 N1 Y# W# s$ Y( i$ c1 v. W7 y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  Z1 ^0 s& }1 t/ ^# z( J

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" _$ ~6 F# w+ U, E: t
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 ~5 {* [$ f( H+ X

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# y8 E3 `4 r: K6 C8 |

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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5 H  R2 ?9 E3 w+ Pyes, that's the point.

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