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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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# J( c0 B( L4 @8 b( [' f1 _智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 b8 q; P# F; n& |( a5 hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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/ ]1 K; o4 ~4 @6 f2 i( aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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+ |/ f. `% Q9 s3 O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:" b; Z5 M- K5 W

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" N8 D. s+ o1 x3 d1 m6 H

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.7 o' M  D7 u- I) }8 b9 ^1 q
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 r# ^, [9 ^2 k3 s7 t: gIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ c) h! Y& y" W) D& z

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& B# C7 Z: m8 [: r& }
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0 H5 N" @) @3 W0 _( \$ x/ OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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" X# e3 N* X8 Z# X9 G$ c' t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ C0 N9 q. _) S5 c: o# F. ^

/ |$ [8 p8 Z+ {7 g( Jyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......