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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. N4 G1 e/ e6 W. q0 \4 T

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% b  {* O7 i' M. w

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' ^& q; r; H) @& E$ |! {

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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, ?9 r  M8 e" ~其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:3 b. X* R. ^; I
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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: Y* K$ V; o6 a9 n) iAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: O! C$ b2 X2 _/ c( r% J
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1 ~! l7 D+ k) |" h* H3 J/ _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:+ Z& a% a  |) t+ m; H, j% [) B9 b

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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7 J, R2 O7 V8 r2 Myes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......