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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; D0 h4 G# {3 [+ K" L; s* r9 M8 R

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 d# }& l$ w( a" _! x. [+ S( L# R
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ o6 j  C! I& N& _# Q/ f" l/ v6 d
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  a2 t. e+ F% {1 R5 f5 GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# L% b0 `7 p' ^, S- ?0 A& Y

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->. Q& _' M+ |) Y7 P2 Z! K

! F2 Y& {* z! _軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. R' b$ M4 m7 ~: H; C) N, m. _& n6 W

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" [4 a3 {( ^0 D" U! U. EIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  O" Y: U( i7 E+ v! K- |1 R, X/ l$ o

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他比孔明更偉大

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( t  x- K0 Z+ b$ m+ Z' j2 ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 D- q( ]* L+ _- D

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" Y1 u- V9 n. lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- @! q! ]1 W) Q% @. ~2 r5 M
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......