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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  d1 \  x; v/ S9 O$ z

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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7 Q( H* M- h  C" t: hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: i# R2 Y0 h( R( w
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5 L2 ?1 {( d: a' \: fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 l' M+ g, ^4 ]' ^: x

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4 w) q8 O1 e' \3 G$ m% }其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:2 Q! m0 i6 M. P& Q/ e0 C# b
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  w/ m6 c. i. `9 ]1 g& l他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 [; ?4 o) q$ J8 E  C+ ^5 V7 V
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 N3 a; P; n/ `3 T, }8 Y0 r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:* U; l3 `7 W2 L2 h& R
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

. g# i1 x- ]9 X' n: g* Xyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:( @! G& c& x/ z) T% ]
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yes, that's the point.

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