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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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7 W1 {8 G: N% k! |5 c, L/ sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.$ p4 s8 {7 k  r2 i6 u
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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4 L) T( Q$ E2 ^( s+ [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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. o* @, {& V$ u! Z- K8 u/ B其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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1 C3 p) Z: ]: q# x' G其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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0 W5 l- Z0 V5 A9 v3 A9 s6 Csee #22 Thus! F# L! s. [" F5 v$ u

: X. h2 ?$ N, C3 |智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->5 c# {$ S) l* l) W# I- z5 ?

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.) A. w: }& }, k1 f% C2 t

# d2 }6 I% N# Q8 q$ E$ ^打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( z5 w& a! V8 C# i

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 h$ u0 p  M7 W+ AIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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9 R# W0 C  X" d' qAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  B% J5 U3 h! b+ u0 j1 [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) ^- T! d7 l, I1 A. X) }/ F" Z2 q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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3 l/ r/ }8 E. q" B! l" h5 N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......