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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( |8 X/ S9 g" v/ {* [; n( x

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:  {' M; D( z4 u1 H3 R) T8 h; K

, R; {8 t: x  U: s- A3 o% t4 cbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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: ]5 I5 ~( U. ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:3 a# B$ H1 U3 O: |8 Z$ g
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' Y  [: T  ^" y% n4 z2 nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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$ w# h1 f, e+ q4 T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, ]- C, K: N/ g0 L% S4 V

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why?+ t0 n- F* R4 k$ G( S0 h: i* K

8 w% x1 Z4 P4 V5 I5 e8 L: o其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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" {5 Q2 B0 ~8 f$ O智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% N9 t% ?5 a3 [, Q

- ^# A8 i+ x3 q0 l! E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維  G# P5 L' P7 k
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, t2 Y) j/ f* {* a/ ?In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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" e8 A7 n  [4 T  `) c5 _他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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0 N* _1 K9 f! kAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 M9 P* R2 j1 F; ^4 A; F
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

. p! s, X& ?! ?. R! B) {$ syes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......