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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ `/ {. r/ S7 c! F6 `+ ]6 I& d

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' F! V: \, n0 d* |2 [智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ e" o/ T# h- d3 K
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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+ g! |* P& @8 }2 O. O* L) y& RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ L- @( i0 o' p9 j* S
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+ ^) `. X# y6 C# A) ^: J# w  |" tBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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! `( e$ I1 `, [/ K! O# j2 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ U% C6 E4 q6 v6 J7 D: g  _

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6 B( K& R6 v9 G6 E; d3 P5 G. N+ I: h' E智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.1 _+ F1 v" K$ v/ r. e- R

" {1 b, t( |6 Z打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 |1 K; Y0 I# Z5 J: B+ j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:$ d% d! s8 k1 O3 b2 ?
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ m- Y7 Z  @, w+ i; D
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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, \" {- D' }& y& S6 J  e: qAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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/ f4 }4 k3 Q% `% ]8 G: H$ n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, y5 ]; [; }, C  r' `他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:* x) F4 R$ ]1 d9 ?0 U  K

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......