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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" t7 J8 G' R1 o4 c
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) `/ w4 D( d- s" ]0 h: U% m: _

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ v2 u" w9 b# L

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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8 f: s6 `" P6 L& R8 q5 Z6 V1 B軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; c# G$ I2 M) G! H' R# o$ P
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.1 g, Z9 l4 j* J: h2 _  @' Q* s( @/ Q

3 ?1 B* C! k$ G  ]  }0 B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
5 i4 g) `4 j6 `8 \5 TIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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3 f  B. U3 E! R. q: p1 }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, V  k7 C; J9 k4 V8 v' v" v8 b! s
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yes, that's the point.

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