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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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: r" L7 Y& |8 j# Z; p7 o# q2 Ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 `; C( q7 {$ _/ f9 Y  |  j) U
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# X) h% X/ N% w" Q5 i

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- u$ @! O3 ?0 M# g/ y0 b. |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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1 b% R4 ]0 M9 }+ f5 J& _9 b* G' R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# K% i/ b9 d# }  _* l

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5 {2 Y1 L) j- ?4 C. V3 L7 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus7 R. V, r# O2 [4 j& H1 O
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; c3 C  k7 u) }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ i6 o; e5 ]6 }; `

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: X0 P8 s, N8 l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; g& ^- G- b+ J. m

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 D$ r1 S, O; y9 mIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 S' }* D& F" d+ O. h, v

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+ ~! R4 K+ z! K9 }6 z, M* YAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! Y' ~: J# _: V9 A4 M' [: O

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) p1 Z( a# b" g: E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ t5 v; I2 z$ G0 w

9 L; K& b  o" \5 Dyes, that's the point.

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