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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 L( C6 J, O! C% j% W3 C

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ |! Y8 `" Y# o3 x  u9 U
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮., l% t5 l4 a' I7 ~: Q9 z/ |( R6 k+ ~/ f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 U; t( }2 K: r3 C
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" I0 {" V3 ?( ZBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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$ Z7 L- d$ N4 V: k3 ?/ m3 W其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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+ o( z5 R6 U- Osee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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* J3 o3 v0 `" W2 j; P& h軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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( M$ Y; ]" d+ J打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:2 y0 F7 w& [# p/ v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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$ b; L* C8 T# c8 V6 O他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 v" p0 `$ O2 `4 |( r% m

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:( q& c( I4 G5 J  s/ [

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. k0 P3 r9 [# V# [( l) h$ V
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yes, that's the point.

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