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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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% c8 G9 C' n6 t, D4 e! q0 o4 _) z5 ?: u智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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4 N0 b! f/ H; ~- F& r$ K$ Uwhy?, o4 G0 i: h2 l

# z, a+ R* Z- ^4 r" Y/ q; P其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' L8 y/ y' T, Z* b

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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3 j) r* }+ q1 ^5 ]7 a2 j軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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7 I" t) w( S$ K4 V) B* V打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:, D% Q3 ~3 Y$ y
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 q2 d8 C+ e1 [
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  K2 [  |" F9 k' aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" p; ^- n0 _+ q8 M) l# l0 _
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$ I6 K* k. \$ v/ b1 b* F: M/ W5 F他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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  N' |5 Z3 B' B: \# H9 P4 ayes, that's the point.

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