151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
) a8 G7 M5 b# h$ M7 V% G$ |# m
" k1 w9 a% D/ t: G9 l
0 L/ @4 t$ G/ z# Y: d# j智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

1 z: j8 ?9 t9 \! J& h1 q; r
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& e& P) |9 H5 H

( C$ s& q" Z0 ?: w" w0 u* C6 nbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

/ P+ Q& o. e  n' U: p* ^
* O3 E7 i7 n  N8 I& J4 m3 [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.. S$ ^# k) W3 b- e$ w2 H

8 K! s! t& J6 j9 M7 J[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
4 w9 w9 u4 t. w2 S0 I6 ]& p) t2 a; h8 ?; p' v5 A2 X
% y7 I" t2 j9 w1 I! L/ s4 W
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

/ ^" \- {, O8 o# I1 p1 M8 S& i

9 P8 X* r" r+ bwhy?4 I2 V) \# U# E$ ^, |
" V7 e; Z; u+ j5 \; Y" k6 ~1 W
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
; a: K: _  i8 E0 J3 R- W5 {; ~6 ^' U( K3 F% x

& C4 }. G4 j# n+ U( Xwhy?
$ i( N% H( I/ P' X2 p
* i; C6 z! p4 {2 {( L其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

2 m/ o9 E  f/ Z) L1 n
/ z  c4 \, b+ X" L' Dsee #22 Thus
1 c% O' Y( r  @" ~( K5 r: q
+ a$ b- q0 O  w智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* W. @* o- G( w8 k: f. H1 y" [

5 b/ K) d0 w. y軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維) w! @  @  k- g: O5 n" L

& y5 Y' Y: A9 R% M政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
9 }1 U8 u% X+ L4 Q, Q* o8 P: e. y8 t8 |
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.0 K$ w- q" p5 _+ n
9 Q% Z( \, Z! x, j4 V
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
- p6 m6 Q1 i3 g+ [% j. RIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

5 M+ {" p( b% r2 g+ O
" V; l7 }: b3 \他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
' a6 y) L6 \2 h: U$ P# V
6 L8 N2 r! T! e4 F
7 L) u. X0 ^& l3 {5 u3 i+ a他比孔明更偉大

* f; w7 m8 L3 O6 W2 t1 W
/ k" R% A' J9 t: w$ E
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
' J7 x9 N/ F% h, i" N1 k" \2 O) r, R! A2 P

- H2 x- J! @' c1 N! t5 |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

) R- Z- H- v! S# h4 _

+ I( ]& i  a* f  {他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
  p  \* \  j) M2 }0 Q3 e, F9 y; Y" U6 {+ ^2 X
; e0 R: H. b  z
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

# @0 Q2 s# I: @8 J, Tyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, ^& h- }1 K% [  n

$ |& d! @; |) W& |" h5 G5 x3 Yyes, that's the point.

- }* [9 f9 E2 D7 B0 S% t' l; l3 B2 @
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......