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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& G& `# p* Z. m; W& k6 r& v, }

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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: m+ E( t8 `; K* i# h" ?but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 T! j% ]( j+ x  k1 m* ABut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ {6 F) M- q3 E/ B" I
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+ ?9 e7 ]8 U2 c: Y% T' U, ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! l8 v1 s( L  |% Q. C. ~
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 d/ U0 q" W( D$ R  ]3 _; L" @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
5 I  a  S6 I5 B' w* A+ `In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% N/ e, ]9 L1 a- A. ]. t/ ~5 Y
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2 n2 Z8 X; F: UAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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1 n; T- Y: ^( h8 r( V5 KAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:  D8 d- h8 t, d' x& O2 Y4 b# M- O% x
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 l; x; C$ P8 Z3 P
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......