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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 y; t% S1 M7 ~, L& u
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) S% \0 Y# g" k$ p

% ]- W% X5 D$ `" ]but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 @6 f" ]2 i, GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; B6 R& ~1 Z/ \. b( V. c3 `

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, c" u8 {6 _- }0 E5 z" GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' ~$ [, V9 {/ M* S) f
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why?
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; p9 u# [% {2 B- r! C

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 M5 \" Q& n& A, z! h! b* jIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 i) Y1 q* W  J( F
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 Y4 v/ U+ m: X. R, q4 i
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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) v0 R1 W* d2 A6 m+ Y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

9 b" u2 ]  y& b! m% F" fyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 l3 K; |; ^4 c- m8 `: b. E) A
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......