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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 x) r, \% N9 a. s4 B
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 i( ^! g7 p! o; A/ r3 U6 i/ ?

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.$ j2 g/ g) X* K) \& Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# n- `; C. |; L4 S9 C
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why?
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2 e' j1 s7 i' K0 Z' ^# S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.# D& F, m* ~" u1 R* F1 ?* h, \

# o9 n3 O0 D0 s! n( k0 H! u; p打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ w! c' o" g, w# c

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) b6 h7 T) W+ }. [7 n' u0 b4 cIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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8 p: D, E% {: v他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! T+ _6 M! t8 E5 ~% {$ c/ v* W

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9 s9 Y2 f. v% t  A他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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