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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" U; E+ [1 U. o; y; X+ d$ [& A2 f

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 \* n  m- C& d" }' I& @8 d

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 \$ ?1 i6 d+ T1 I( B( d
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8 R- l  m9 x& NBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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$ ~- a. d% X- J) E7 \7 y$ K- w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ P. i% ^* {; t1 R4 ^' O- J- D* l

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why?; b6 }5 J( v' R9 N5 t" C: [

& I- z; N# F$ g' [其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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: X; T" F. l# _: |3 T8 N4 ?智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->& P- b: d& U" ]% f  h& J' o& F

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. x# u6 f4 y# @打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ Q' P& |- V! ]' h6 HIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, t+ r. k# ^+ s  A

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9 g4 E' F, m, S5 k2 h7 S: ]他比孔明更偉大

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1 C0 t0 C! E2 S* O6 i: XAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 {  R" G/ K% h0 D' f  W
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

9 G0 f! \  b2 z: qyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ I- t! b, |) q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......