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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  Y; ?3 N. F& N' Y' _- ~
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' t  v! p3 z3 v# i; }
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) i8 t& f6 f) j9 u% G0 {' k8 hBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- _& a: B3 X; v& @4 z, I6 t. \

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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8 ^; @6 ]+ w! SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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' _, }+ ^, N8 u3 a; d. `7 S# |# x; i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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3 M  q, S' e  x3 s" X! K; e8 ]9 D+ c軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維1 y- O& o3 c3 v6 T( g
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.2 E$ C; |7 Y# H7 u* z* D% c
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  t+ L5 N- `1 T6 O1 ~In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 _9 F; o# j$ D. c

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7 ~3 {, y3 }& ?1 w6 V: _- e他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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+ Q; ^0 [& V" J% [; O1 yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 ]4 c! h8 ~9 I0 r+ ?: _% O# o+ `

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1 x/ _. {" J% \. u- M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. y0 z( }7 u* l5 C

1 v1 ~3 \! H0 X  U, h( {; Iyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......