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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: o6 |( F3 l+ h+ Z$ N
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7 \) H+ v; P0 {  Y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 U/ e2 `9 z- {& ]

* k0 ?! K9 i2 `9 y! ~, Rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ w) Q/ {7 x' g( L* n9 z3 k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. O! m% r) P. C8 G9 T

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+ z7 A: c. T9 J7 T' e$ PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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4 I2 L5 b3 X) l, s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ _- e  a; S7 w  {) j' ]& s7 k# v

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. `1 n4 ~7 `, K% h其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus8 U, _! m2 i8 K  S
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維: R9 z' X; Q0 M, L" Y% g4 g& r; i/ f

0 y: O) f* p9 g3 k" \政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.( B* }6 O* A' o; O

7 m1 S  [5 T( [( b打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ y& B! O' \( a! h# E2 ~7 `! r$ f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:' z: }$ c. t) H5 u1 P; {& [
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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$ M% Q2 Q7 C" L他比孔明更偉大

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& W6 j% O  o; L1 \. _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  I/ L0 Q2 \' q+ A! ^  K$ V+ dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! J; a9 @- P/ x( c. v- n1 t
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/ d/ L1 n& X1 ~$ R( [. H他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:9 g1 F. @- y" u) ~% [6 J0 k/ S

2 M6 R1 s0 N( ]yes, that's the point.

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5 ?+ O3 S" r' {9 M0 G$ V陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......