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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" Y( S% _1 h7 ~$ ~* C/ F

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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5 X6 l! c. ?. r9 Mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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: I; K4 M' i) U5 V7 x( j0 w5 h. c# |+ nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 m: i  J! h/ i4 d1 t

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:5 z5 g. e% A4 R3 l

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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! ]5 f. ?8 C' @其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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6 z3 O2 b* i+ ?, U3 \其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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3 X) H6 j5 }7 L% `1 [5 G# T打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:5 Z4 j# d6 f$ q) v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 v/ M, n( F/ ?3 E- Z% d! V6 X

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; i& |5 o! L7 x7 {5 h

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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8 |* q! L, R4 r2 p$ C1 }0 T他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......