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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 W" K7 }  e: W. g3 k% s

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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7 ~0 `5 \. D. g: ]0 dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: K8 M4 y6 I* _

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  J0 e, }$ W, g9 Y/ N' G- N5 S. ~

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' Z8 ?3 T$ O* o# E* l9 i, J7 p
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0 U: Q+ r  I: ~0 g! h! g- B3 S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維. O) @% s3 c; Q, D" i* f* f

# p  {. I9 E& Q政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 I2 `: m* S) X6 l. ~! v

9 C/ _& @9 j2 y2 R打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.& p# `* B. E+ E6 j5 B4 ~! I

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) o) ]) B' O: Y0 L- ~- Y6 GIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:. q: q+ E, v. o
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; U# J! B: a0 q0 |5 l

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" a  W4 g  z* y# P. w2 U$ T: G. VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) u. i( X3 r' B2 M1 g$ e/ V% r

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( ~4 M- P4 O3 r/ h他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 {9 N7 |1 H+ e# k& e" R

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......