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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# h/ u% v- J3 W& K! H1 L

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5 c8 R( y# I5 D6 V' [智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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# B  x; |% D" a$ C- H% zbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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7 x- h  |$ U3 f8 }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ J" v0 j$ e- H/ {

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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6 M/ p$ [* w; VBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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1 t! r* m% U. Z8 ]3 }# o其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 J7 M0 Y+ w1 K* D0 G5 P, c8 q
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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/ r! ^+ \5 ~" A# G' v% Q$ J6 ]軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.& [3 L3 {1 `1 f

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# x" S+ E$ ?8 O

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" e7 L( j! H4 l
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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; s" q- z/ L4 x9 W他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ H3 N" j7 U* O; Q/ ]( U

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* m; M9 M/ t' _* TAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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; b1 G( ~' c8 R3 M; |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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0 s4 D* J8 x% k' h他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......