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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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+ ~. \9 a; m$ H8 |# M) n1 rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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& p' |8 a) W4 O- a4 |, C% _But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.* `( u9 T8 R2 c+ ^+ s

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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$ i* f" Z6 t. m2 f- pBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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: q" e2 `/ w+ m" H. l8 I4 p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?) \5 ~4 f8 i0 V$ _6 i

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see #22 Thus3 E% F+ V3 H9 r* _3 ]$ v' g. {
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- R3 Y3 r% {* I5 C9 |5 v7 k% V& P

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.$ J  i" m: Z7 a2 t- w, t) ?

; n8 L; a5 R3 N6 L6 I打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 K5 @8 D% |3 ^# ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ Z& g5 q5 c2 f) f9 v3 ?In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:" m/ `& w" o! Z# V) s

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:. P$ e* @8 w9 _  j( o. I

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& F; s$ m1 F" @4 r' YAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. U5 R9 ]# f! X' {2 u. B0 Y1 [他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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0 ~( L* v# _5 J2 |' n7 ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......