151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
  e% V$ M" z' l( l4 i  R1 K$ }. _2 K* }$ g1 X+ ?
2 [6 t3 L# R4 N  C
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

* O6 t8 d- C  c* x! Y; g# e6 Bbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
4 M& ^  n! C& Y$ V- \2 J$ g1 q
8 y0 i' |$ f$ \6 w: r1 M: e* J& ~( S' qbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

5 Q5 E8 I  Z7 l% {

* K/ j; Q& D$ V6 g  RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
& s( a- b* Q; k5 x
% I% J# Y- }$ @! M9 i[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
. X5 P; m. e% _- f& F4 @+ n: I, G6 k; a

4 A5 e& o1 Z( s; x8 kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

+ h" a! y# e5 w4 d! L0 S
/ V. `+ L2 [0 P+ e! Pwhy?9 K9 W* ]0 j5 P& C6 Y- y; O7 J
! R) @( Q" E0 M' |
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; v$ S$ @% g/ e# Q& U

4 O) B$ M8 I% Y$ W5 z2 l' U
2 Q, ^' o; H. o. L4 ?- Bwhy?
3 S9 m3 U- _( X1 [: b1 g1 I: r! k" Q: E9 Q
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

8 s$ E+ n8 ~+ m% O' Z5 P

  J, A. j3 }( _- h, \see #22 Thus
4 f+ }. F: c4 J
! C% F7 s1 t# d+ ?智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 Z5 r9 A; ^2 ]; r, Y

, ?$ _. s* A5 C7 g5 f) R, l軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
: c; }; H5 i# c$ [' ]/ n5 Z
* J. P( g! T$ [& G( k) w政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.$ Q  G- @* q, Q$ Y

2 b7 z! _+ t$ `7 z6 H4 P. A8 H6 Q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
& k' E$ T2 ~8 @- ]- J* Y- w5 X% E6 R
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* Z2 j8 }/ X$ ~( X
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

4 F  }( d! f0 M* H% p
2 J' D$ p$ R# {7 o8 r* C他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ i0 T0 ?2 t3 M/ T
  v! I( G- |8 G: Z- W' z  A
- ]1 ]  r! D& Y5 B2 X0 Y' W! v
他比孔明更偉大

5 f0 ]8 F7 R$ R" F) h

$ F! k4 d+ L- e% tAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
' ]2 y. P6 Q( q- x% h& ~
8 r) S  P( H5 V2 c# ?$ c& L  `$ \  m( _0 {" |1 Y/ u, H" W6 }2 x
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

, N) G. \, H; v% G" j& ~* |- J/ B7 f
7 x3 w9 ]  M9 O; c/ I1 u) M; p
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) j; x2 e" g: S
& v- A2 }8 ]; s9 W0 n$ o
1 E# p( L6 g& g4 T" X. A/ x* t
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

9 j# I) {. n( d3 ^, {% syes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% n  s7 O+ U5 n0 p+ [
2 p; [' N- c( H/ T
yes, that's the point.

4 g. k/ _- p0 [9 u; B& P
$ h% d9 i$ N# _5 \$ f" v# {
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......