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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 z# c( {1 a0 _+ a; l( O1 S- Y

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' q5 q/ L+ h' ]智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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7 u+ e& C( A3 c' P$ ?/ |but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- n& Z4 {( P  @) K3 I$ ^9 c1 `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0 l" x7 g) S' e/ c( \/ B! I$ ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 x; P7 ]( S: O, X7 I1 r& U& @其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus9 Q0 ?9 W7 v6 d9 T+ _9 p
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details., V8 P( @, Q( f) d5 V9 |

/ A7 R9 q4 e; I' [6 _7 S) Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- q' K( H* n. s2 B$ g8 I$ M6 ~

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
- Q6 `( W% c' ~3 DIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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9 k' [( r, B, h8 b他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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0 n) z) g. T" ?3 A0 ~; yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! Z( |; f: o' b4 k
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' f& F$ t1 Y: }- a' uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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0 [0 {/ M# K+ \! S' w/ R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 l, i  Z: J3 E  U他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:: W# D8 \, a6 h, C

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