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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. `$ C7 C- N3 V* ^0 C2 t

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( s/ V! i0 {( I9 A/ [0 i
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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. K8 k! n3 {, Q* p* y$ oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.3 ?9 m* K# K# E1 C

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! D3 k8 Q9 C% v& e

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4 u: O. z& Y8 QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 I) ^6 G5 v7 `: r" Z4 L$ q! ]" P

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why?
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5 j3 v5 L* n6 I% |7 q+ Y/ e其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: [0 ~+ j2 g" ?- g+ _6 V% x

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 F! L& n8 I% B8 s; }1 \! h5 d/ d

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 G/ A9 U: M( |3 @9 O
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 R$ [5 ?6 D9 E$ Z# y" k( }

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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/ [$ _6 Y4 @( Q' y% [+ ]- \他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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/ ^* G& P; o5 c- _他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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