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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- W8 p/ G1 _; B: x8 X3 Z

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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$ Y2 G2 V) z" Cbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 F( L; x2 U4 T. HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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6 V% @$ p9 }& Q+ U' x. P. bsee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 N, ?& }4 @4 l( E+ l

  z1 {' v" {- c5 s0 j軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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7 }) x/ A5 r- {政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.* U8 m# I3 N( M, R

  K6 c/ k; r& ?- r. g2 v' T打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  T: \/ V# R( B5 x6 v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 P% K8 @6 ^) T' U7 n* SIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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$ M& Y9 J, ?2 Q& ?: G6 l$ zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ l2 _5 u$ _; Y' X: n/ {" ^2 }
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" R& h; u. P/ o+ J4 c! lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 ^" h" T- H# Q( m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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* g* s. }  U1 a8 y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......