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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- s) o+ k4 \% V1 ]) z& H3 s1 \
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( p$ c9 ]! w; k$ H' |" R

6 F! b2 P/ e9 J/ w; o. Xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:9 }1 d% {( K4 V/ ~; F& z% G

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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8 B9 H1 M! l. I. c# T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; L6 {2 p0 Y! e8 q! @4 c2 [

; [8 {5 f  \& w+ o3 W軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, |* k  H4 Y) F$ R5 R: F0 x

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:, ?2 S: `' h4 c; h1 G! {9 h
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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! m4 h; Y- g% J' m5 g% Q: _他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:7 O* N. [& [3 F; N4 J* k

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4 `1 N; L9 i8 ~6 e: NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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, U% B! G- ]' d5 g1 l; H他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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: R) e! a! I, Z+ w, v+ N- R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  n$ h$ v6 V) U' v

8 Z- J; K' i* ?/ fyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......