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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 t% n+ R6 ?1 P2 p) ^+ n
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( d. \' N1 r+ }% j% H& S- Z9 J

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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  P% `) ^! L& k4 M9 h+ ABut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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7 a8 _. L0 Q3 u3 ?4 _其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ W- ?; f3 M/ J8 ?8 @3 q

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus) O  G$ h2 {( U4 q% f* j& |+ A1 D0 c3 B
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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& A0 E  a6 ?* ?打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:9 y* O2 c& \" G
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:. H7 |& Q) I) M5 J+ o$ C
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% E( M/ r4 [' F& v: ]! K" A

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......