151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. ]5 Y' |* d% m8 d- }

0 B. D$ K$ k/ A- P  @& Y- S. V
$ S/ O# d2 G$ W& ?7 e智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

6 `. M3 Q' m% {- b$ x4 g; _but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
4 r( N8 f+ R- d7 K. n6 S" [, Z+ R' Z9 M7 O) h3 \: l* B$ g
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

# u: q7 O# |" {5 t) ]& d" Z% B
+ ]2 o% a. o( x4 J; @& `8 e: L  v
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
" S% u, P6 i! p* e- y* D# b# ]6 H8 R5 u
) A( M( W1 [& Q( f" D0 |[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
" S( s! v" C& _, B; [' k7 g* H: Y9 X* L

& m  H. |" v6 i" C% YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

, A2 P9 n& }. O2 {7 b' e/ ], @/ S9 J: e; X
why?: g4 I9 f2 q; N4 d; D

: r! K  W3 v: [) E其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
; a( z7 U: j1 J: d, B/ j- \
( B1 \! n! A; A6 o5 k& j5 {  O, x" J; }" h( w
why?! [8 M) X2 w- u5 l& p
- I3 ~3 g, x( z* U3 z0 N
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

; ]% Z4 k$ @% q2 x  G
; R! U3 D6 e" D' T" E( Ksee #22 Thus
7 o9 b/ N  a: K" Z( Q  v; m6 s6 c3 j+ Y0 F+ e3 |! I
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
& B! Y" F0 K) C; q! T2 c8 d4 C
0 w* g2 J9 Q1 ]" p- P軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' T. K1 E0 E% M( c. @( C  t

! \: F9 ]* P$ J2 e3 g政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
; T  i' B, ^) P) E
$ K4 {8 H- c0 N8 j9 e, W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; f. D  i6 P/ w; B/ c: t

2 n0 P. O4 h) m7 \+ O+ r* v[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:, f0 ]( a9 ^# o7 M
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

7 E, h7 |: E4 _1 H
* i+ Y$ ~0 ]' M. B% F他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
5 G4 A6 h0 B! {7 ^+ Q4 @$ Z, a2 a9 W/ k# D

! W4 P5 f9 q! o% u  P7 o* a他比孔明更偉大

3 k% r6 Q% O& K
9 r, }& D4 [+ `. d$ C6 WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 z" `& j& ]: N( S3 q9 _
, w% r* _4 b* g) W1 q
+ \' Z3 ?  T. C- K3 G. v
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

- @' R4 L, C+ f+ g& R* L* f$ B: P6 r7 D% A
8 j7 i6 X; [3 T# z% ^5 @+ A他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
# C6 u1 n* T/ h: \. \
: W: c5 D1 {6 }2 h3 N" s2 D- P/ e; {: k0 B
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

+ n- ~8 Z8 B, ]7 y3 `4 Zyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
/ T: F/ F) B: J+ N( ]7 [: I8 U; _! O, |% ]2 m  ?% ]. o& V
yes, that's the point.

% m, \0 {; Z; N8 C# q3 C5 |" z& v
  j$ B  U- l: z+ a" C+ S陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......