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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 ~/ y; r7 ]% D

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:1 P! W; M% O" `# w8 a" Y

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/ i% ?$ A1 i" C6 [, U7 S# ^( @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:+ l$ b0 [5 M( F$ Q  L
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1 k$ r5 H) ?0 {6 X( ^2 OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 K6 q. @# V0 d5 r" v- F8 a
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, l8 h" s) Q& V* T: G其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' i" p/ q: b* S: F2 W0 J. e

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.( L) o7 F: z" }2 G8 h

% |% L+ p) s' {( H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) @& b' [: u  H. p8 u7 o$ \
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ t/ B* s/ J- p# M' z- EIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 F% i/ t! A. O9 Q
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他比孔明更偉大

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5 E3 h& i/ }3 I& @1 j% xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& g$ a3 v6 w' E
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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* _2 y3 @8 u" K. y% m7 \; S陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......