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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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# f! M) [  I( q' [智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ l8 G: {; ~2 c& ]# W1 u

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5 [1 c% [  G2 x6 |6 jBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.# i( a5 Y! Q6 `# r4 F1 G6 B$ o! X
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:5 y5 }2 d; W/ _
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% p' s: b5 T, _$ TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' h: v/ {1 |. @4 V" Q. H# D

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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4 ^6 F$ j) V3 g/ I' X智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維  O6 S1 \& Q; [/ l: w; [

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.6 g5 [; N- q0 [  S
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( A) F; v3 I& @! aIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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: B6 U; A+ n( y6 h: M. I5 T' ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! `4 v1 z2 Z" w( T+ F+ Q) |6 D! D- _% e

/ F. Y; I7 a- s" E4 o: K% R& Vyes, that's the point.

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