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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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" }* Z) V, g9 }" a5 WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ r( L5 W2 ^: D4 ?6 I7 W! I
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:0 I" _& Q$ T, U/ |5 u) ?2 G  n
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9 h) ]4 q, Q  J. g4 Y5 L" @# m9 IBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.3 `2 q& A8 c. n. e# l" I9 e
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% ~% O' x  M4 {3 A& v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 R& ?( s! f9 F' Q/ q! |0 n( _  u7 R
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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8 F; Q/ m* }5 ^/ o他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. d0 k+ ~  `' ?
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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" s5 }" s- m2 ?8 \, k7 l/ C3 ?yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......