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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 E( I# M" J- ?" U, g/ Q+ m

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& c# f  S" \- ~

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8 }) T, A  l. g$ I1 B' CBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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& d. p" S/ x. r其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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, W& o# X# K# v4 }智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- |  `% {! u% l- W5 A& P' A
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維) e, ~9 s8 P( ?1 X4 Y
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 z6 Z  i7 ~0 |: mIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 \& Y$ n+ X, _
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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" l9 X* F' F& \% L+ P) EAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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- Y1 M. k# ^8 i4 ]& Y$ i他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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, i3 }0 T+ ?, u7 D8 }yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......