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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 {6 I: T4 i) D: a% Q( e

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# G5 ?- d" K1 s( @智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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1 f, b' o; B) T% N) k( U1 ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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* k& D- f! d6 s: Z6 o; _But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( K! N" q5 o9 V1 e; a
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ O* M6 i' d0 K4 E- `
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" ~4 J5 H( |4 X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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( ]( b2 f: I) ^! d1 x) B智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 o8 E) C( a% E& y
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.& [7 D4 L$ Z7 Z% S1 Q' G8 m

$ A& L* s/ q8 ?" ^0 N打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ m1 Q0 |# _4 F" I; {
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 A' y8 x# }6 n9 K6 @# K! NIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 ?/ K9 m! Y" i/ X- |$ T

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6 |! p, @# {) I( EAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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# H6 E$ T8 n, h' |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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4 K( |0 f3 |7 e! }3 b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# T+ i, I9 X2 X# B; F7 a4 O' G
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, ?9 c2 {5 C" D  U+ Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! S( ^! U4 C+ E/ @
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yes, that's the point.

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