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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! @. n, R- o: b% C/ F
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ F6 h/ a, j. w; U: qBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 H" F7 S  U: k2 n; {6 j3 k

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 x9 R6 `4 V7 m" V' r: zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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" O" ~0 g: V0 H/ W$ a( ~) S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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# }6 P6 l: Q* H& U# _2 }" psee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->+ J% R( l9 u% K. D' P( r
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# P* ~9 |$ U9 {3 Q8 c+ [& C& {

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. i* p% Q% R8 @# R+ J* ?! rIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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7 B: f9 {. H* V& C; e- c4 SAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% m, M* j+ A& f8 v8 B! [

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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8 V# q6 Y; |* M: `% [" z4 s3 A8 V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: K) e" n$ d  z, x% _
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; p6 s5 D/ Z+ L
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yes, that's the point.

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