對撒旦的能力有懷疑[+左]

bobbywu

撒旦是否真的很蠢 , 認為自己能勝過創造祂的神嗎 ?
撒旦能估計到 對抗神的後果嗎 ?
撒旦有机會看過聖經啟示錄, 相信結果嗎 ?
如果撒旦能聰明些.... 懂得向神悔過 能否做回天使嗎 ?(基督教 只要信神及悔改便可得救)

各位意下如何

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benben007

撒旦: rather be the ruler in hell, then to serve God as a 天使 in heaven

rest365days

Originally posted by bobbywu at 2005-7-8 12:04 PM:
撒旦是否真的很蠢 , 認為自己能勝過創...

我不知道這些問題對於基督徒, 以及非基督徒有什麼意義 (可能非基督徒甚至唔信有上帝, 亦唔信有撒旦).
每件事都有多角度嘅睇法, 講閞撒旦令我諗起另一樣野, 從聖經裏面對撒旦嘅描述, 我明白到"知道有上帝", 同"悔改歸信上帝"嘅分別.  呢個世界好多人都話"知道", 或者"信有神", 其實單單"知道"而唔願意悔改跟隨上帝, 咁嘅取向/態度, 根本唔可以同上帝重建關係. 撒旦都認識上帝啦, 仲同上帝講數添, 又如何? 我可唔可以話佢"歸信上帝"?
信仰就係一定要有D堅持.

brightlee

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-7-8 14:39:


我不知道這些問題對於基督徒, 以...

you are right
think deeply
satan has a chance to turn back.
but will he?

bible wrote it, he won't

I am also trying to say: see, GOD is so great, He can give anyone of us to have freedom to choose our roads.
He can choose to believe, and TURN BACK or vice-versa, this is your choice

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mememe

bobbywu兄,

我嚟答你!

撒旦是否真的很蠢 , 認為自己能勝過創造祂的神嗎 ?

第一係﹐第二唔係。

如果撒旦明知死梗都照反﹐佢的而且確好鬼蠢﹐而且亦都同聖經記載既撒旦(所有質素僅次于神)好矛盾。假設神係萬能﹐第二個論點必需答"唔係"。

撒旦能估計到 對抗神的後果嗎 ?

好難講。
1)可以話撒旦唔係死蠢而係預測到對抗神後神唔會殺佢。
或者
2)可以話撒旦賭一鋪買自己贏。

撒旦有机會看過聖經啟示錄, 相信結果嗎 ?

唔重要。因為神係全知﹐所以一定知道撒旦睇唔睇啟示錄都唔會改變未來。(唔好問我如果神係全知點解造撒旦出嚟)

如果撒旦能聰明些.... 懂得向神悔過 能否做回天使嗎 ?(基督教 只要信神及悔改便可得救)

答案同上。唔係聰明同愚蠢既分別﹐係因為佢既決定神以經知道0左﹐所以依照聖經記載撒旦向神悔過係唔會發生既。

k-key

如果世上有神魔.我想你不知神魔有多小歲,又如果,幻想你是撒旦.會不會做出d對自己沒有好處的事.破壞一切自己生存世界,幼自.同他們相對你我只是BB.

justin_lun

撒旦明知自己死硬，（启示录话左，）依家要趁末世未到拉多D人陪埋落地狱。

adamas

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-7-8 12:44 PM:

you are right
think deeply
sata...

But people in some places on earth, such as the tribes in Africa, the Indians in America, or other indigenous people in third world countries,
they spend their whole lives without a chance to know what is Jesus,
is that fair for them?
are they all supposed to go to hell when they were born?

i don't mean to start an argument with you
i also know that man is not clever enough to explain God
i just want to express my feeling about this

rest365days

Originally posted by adamas at 2005-7-12 06:01 AM:


But people in some places on ea...

其實類似的問題已經問咗N年, 我不妨加多一個: 一出世就盲兼且聾, 甚至夭折的BB又點? 智力有問題, 唔識溝通嘅人又點?

對唔住, 聖經唔係百科全書, 無仔細例明每一個可能出現嘅case.  裏面一定有missing piece.  唔信嘅人, 可以見之為"破綻", "見o隆就入", 當photo hunt咁玩...越玩越遠離聖經原本要表達嘅重點.
我雖然唔知以上嘅情況神會點處理, 但係聖經已經對呢個上帝有好具體嘅描述(在此不詳述).  我信得過佢唔會亂嚟囉.  
不過, 我地番去個問題, 究竟關鍵係 "聽過 / 未聽過"? .. 還是 "接受 / 拒絕"?  
邊樣至係關鍵所在?

bobbywu

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-7-12 11:53 AM:


其實類似的問題已經問咗N年, 我不妨加多一個: 一出世就盲兼且聾, 甚至夭折的BB又點? 智力有問題, 唔識溝通嘅人又點?

對唔住, 聖經唔係百科全書, 無仔細例明每一個可能出現嘅case.  

但我覺得有必要解釋, 因基督徒認為神對人是公平公義的, 而夭折的BB又沒有天主教輪迴的理論支持, 咁點算 ? 那一個基督徒願意做夭折的BB