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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  X9 j/ n, }0 o' z% W6 k7 D
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???' j8 _$ Q) p# O& Y; P
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢2 o" b* n& h3 A, k) j1 D5 r& _
so銀行可以不斷放款
8 i( R* X) F( K美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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8 {* U7 N  H% j) F+ i7 L' b( cmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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8 H5 v& l- ?: I( M>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 R" O/ U6 r7 M
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 |6 W5 K0 L7 Q9 W# `  |* |$ y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" D, |  q. k3 L5 ?, |2 g) B( c) lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 S" N4 @8 ]+ k) k! \- _in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" e' I1 ]' a6 m2 Q% A, s' XAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& M; _" W. s% V5 A0 y- C6 e) ~0 i
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 M. A- ]; z; }- N3 I" z/ F/ k
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ X0 |# I! a+ H
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 i& q8 ~4 u' h2 L$ W! s  D5 j* Y8 R
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 Q3 b+ Y4 ~+ F

" \3 v; V6 P2 Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 O; w4 F+ s& \' ?
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% p1 b! m5 L# @2 [% u0 N
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
1 }# {& U$ \5 h" E# W9 c, dA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 E: G1 M, w1 ]/ `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 n5 D, N4 b$ J- B3 o7 Y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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* v  A1 S2 T$ v- @( i5 N) `8 |3 L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- H* ]: P& v! J* u  k' Q( sRefer to last example,
8 \3 f4 s8 q3 `, K4 ^2 K, Vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* @! m- x! f& h0 z& eBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# [1 [: a7 H7 g; _therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) v: x2 y8 Q0 Q( x7 W: l2 r- M
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 5 x( D6 S! u+ ~. W3 b
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 O! [( ]$ c9 c3 E: |
it's the problem of the debt itself." {  E4 |: ?1 f, g+ v; R+ I
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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( u8 q" {5 {% G' j- N+ s全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% G/ L0 i- X6 a) Z3 ^" h3 p無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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; G6 s% m! w. Y  ?敬請各師兄解答
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3 Z) a( z0 ?9 \: e( U: NThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  : ?! p7 |! B# g! f# b" w
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 N8 }6 c4 s" ~, k當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 |$ ^' Q0 I( U2 C7 h: u" I" W( a# W於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
% m# X7 B' `8 E4 W  f/ W9 |個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 H4 T  b* L7 ~+ I+ i
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 Y  A1 M% p; f5 Q8 g  ]- T
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺$ m+ @. V/ ]$ j1 @
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ q8 I( T4 R# j8 Y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 v$ O- `7 m* B0 A, p" P1 H9 c" k3 e
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- E! _4 o7 P% g( S9 M" z6 J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 Q+ X& p) N3 A; d9 X# g' n咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 d6 T, Z" i" X
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ C7 i. f8 B  I* u
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( H7 V- H" `! b5 `( u但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: U. P0 I5 g( g" S3 g. R淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / _7 N* x2 r1 W" q2 x1 y5 X' Z0 V
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 F7 j( Z& j) V咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" N% F1 N! C6 Z( f; a) {7 S" `
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , I6 p2 y. }7 k- T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . ?, L" j) b+ T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: y9 v7 N/ L6 M5 i( S
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 f3 I* c! V. n. J
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢$ D7 i- C; z+ P

8 Q" h/ K! ^1 c再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,, c8 Y  Z0 j! N4 S
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( @9 s% i2 w* W
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! n8 c& f6 l4 L& P8 B+ |4 W編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# M& V2 G" P2 w4 H3 n; M
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...1 G% P; c6 y5 S
因為以前未生產, 先消費2 o0 I* ^4 p0 z  _" F  n
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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