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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- A+ q; b, G( q; O, f& PWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. `6 K% G) }+ R# K$ fI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
& A, g9 j7 Y4 I. @3 C/ ^0 a* P+ Dso銀行可以不斷放款  |* H$ Q; {2 w
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 g" a( L% t7 |  i" N2 V7 i

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)+ ?5 S4 q' s/ }. u  @
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 q) \1 v* i1 U: CCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; y$ {. n5 j$ o# u
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
* z* v/ C6 m5 H$ u) u& |main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
; r' B/ Z- P5 e, oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.$ F" r5 b- T1 ?5 A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  H( u- e) k, \; }7 J; M+ p' Z' C
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 O/ X9 k  K* anormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 `# q+ e2 ]+ ~9 B; ]5 A9 h
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 b/ b( j* J  R, Z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.3 `) c. j- W8 G; B
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
- l3 e1 e0 ^# N) Z7 U8 S  D$ X4 fin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" x5 Z, J% I/ g& t6 W# TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- ?& v; O" t- F3 c6 {: `5 D# bA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ }: V, Z# D' ]- Z: I( W: mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) m% T3 `$ J% K) ?* F  S5 gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 v0 y" c' b* K9 m, f' [
Refer to last example,
1 y# `2 C: H" R2 N* t+ Z2 [that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' B9 J! `7 i, G2 \
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
* d+ W3 i( m" Etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E6 _% m7 U2 P& X
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
2 p' T! w! {5 h! u1 oall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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; X2 R8 |" p2 J1 `; Q/ bthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 n7 z1 K1 i1 J4 D3 Din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " a% N, W! X( O, k5 P6 p) k
it's the problem of the debt itself.7 e2 J; v5 K& j7 x& ~0 t- w, E4 _% `
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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& w: g" G: S1 k- O' Z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...2 G' W9 B0 E% i' n8 s& }
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
) s: j! f( S) l4 P那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 ?4 Q: d  n) V7 C! t2 u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 N' ^4 F; Q/ P8 u( p2 w: k
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 Y% I3 Z! Q$ n9 m當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& {8 t8 N  ]8 b6 I( k
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; W2 o8 E# g6 K# b( m
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 _9 W% r& i$ g) X1 H/ u. Y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,& z, B1 y/ f$ U+ I& f0 F
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  B+ ~& J. b9 L5 [0 }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# Y  s6 `5 {) p: E- O1 S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 B9 y% z6 b" t% k但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 y' D% G" {7 M: H例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - L9 r! K6 v6 }1 e
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, ]7 Z4 i' p& P1 j& L0 z$ H0 y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 K6 T' W) O6 {/ @- |: U" m: Z
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( ]9 u; U$ }6 m/ h4 u. j6 u
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 t+ _; q( @/ q- h9 K6 F( s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; b9 H9 t7 p3 Q' K0 D# V
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , T4 }" S# f2 c3 S
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . b3 C* ^1 T, d/ p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( G$ U# O# X  O4 }! f6 d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  M/ E% l6 Y$ L8 F/ M' h其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# I/ e5 [. o' @  A8 |/ c  F! }! \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% C: i/ I6 P/ M' x4 }, A0 v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" {  W. m3 L3 {' w+ |4 U8 m) Q" g一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. a) R/ U1 w/ C6 [  P2 c0 ]2 W編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; R/ D* B1 ]* }+ [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 j% G& E3 X& m: o1 Z1 r3 I' K其實係...
; x2 J! q, b! O% @因為以前未生產, 先消費" {/ z" |. N" T& i0 b7 J# z
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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