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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* g3 V' E$ h# E/ TWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???/ I. |; _. [4 ^: d6 _
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢# u; l6 v) O$ [. k" I; X& p7 @& |
so銀行可以不斷放款3 i. M; x- I2 s% q# k
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)* A2 S2 Y% R6 }. `; X2 o" `
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ J& T" }# n5 O3 }7 n
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. M+ ]6 E1 i& J: N% g! XCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
0 A& e" N& i1 c) emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
2 y8 g6 S& {5 o$ E( O0 a, c# [1 \main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 j- V8 q! f. I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 G4 p& ?6 {- s2 P( Y4 m3 p
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
1 ]: U' f& W# }; b  K; Asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: V' a5 \$ f3 o& O4 s' o% L* inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.   w2 Z" x# C# X1 U. w0 j
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( U4 I# r- m) I# o6 o4 qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% g# x! E. I9 u) o+ qin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 }9 y1 B$ y' J6 cFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- f, i/ Z2 E8 o* E4 m3 s) M7 pA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 b' }( \' e& h; o7 i
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
: K9 g, R2 C8 a3 ~7 C9 bbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 |; t: e" G4 q8 r0 D* E/ E5 g
Refer to last example,  S2 y$ s/ X4 A1 U# ]/ A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : S. B- Q9 ?9 N8 ?: f* K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  k! H# r( B* r3 a& O" }$ Ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
1 k" r2 t. C% [) F' l+ J' i( Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 ~9 e8 Q" {% E2 {: C0 F$ c$ Q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?  u' ^6 n. Z& C! u* a0 F7 i9 L
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 {5 ~& x4 _3 a& x6 Sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
: E& G1 y% Q1 H' `it's the problem of the debt itself.
) W: ]1 A$ m! o, i/ Rthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% t# J0 O3 i3 h' R3 M' \
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ X& @9 `) Z) K; ]: i各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 u& L5 Q8 m( V: k/ j# y# U
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' ]8 \, l' V0 @! ^當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& a* ]0 Q5 H% W0 P& E5 O# M
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 K( o4 u3 ~" w* g個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 w+ p: w1 a$ f- f4 t
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: ]# i/ S5 ?' o9 g8 ~8 E計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* |8 q5 j6 Y! Y* K
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! A4 X: `6 f& Z6 `
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# Y, l& q. G) H  D
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ F5 k! J, ^) b3 R- \0 w
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 S2 G; J9 }2 P5 T2 Y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
- M2 K+ s* q$ O8 @! g所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁$ F/ z% O" Q- ]9 z
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   S2 s9 n$ e* k' g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 F/ A$ b; `+ V# w淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   `- m$ w- I( m  I+ X
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! E- V  r7 W) d( E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 h' _) A; `" W& ~/ g
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) ]4 P9 n, H4 j6 ^0 j+ o淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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! F; q3 O2 X2 i5 k# [% z" x正係咁樣) X3 D* X5 Y3 L9 h3 ~/ O
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  ^2 _: f  K3 N
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( E6 K4 s8 B" \. o8 R% m$ |" l

- {5 W9 h$ u. d1 J. ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,7 O  Y; D$ V1 T
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: Z4 ?  x! r  o6 t0 B+ I+ r; V一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
9 u! q! D' P7 [* f  K編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 O( t5 B$ |8 Z0 V咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
+ I8 V) K4 j" _6 x0 ~" D# L因為以前未生產, 先消費9 K- g3 w8 [* G, w0 N- f5 E% m
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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