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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! A7 Q: _+ {" G/ {Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" Y0 N4 a. K' H: Y4 @" U( _' NI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
' f- t8 X( K0 P( ~& V. l3 kso銀行可以不斷放款
  G3 l+ n  l" ?$ I9 A7 s美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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: l7 U0 @9 p" umortgage loan 1 V+ t. f0 B: s* i, X
>conduit
; J. G: o5 {+ o>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 x& W7 N3 F+ K" |, E% q
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 ]5 x4 w7 y( w2 ?# b& b
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 u3 O, l* Z6 U% Y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ q# L$ r  z' h6 Q0 |. a
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., X9 Z" K% @! @' w+ }; {; M9 t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
1 Q2 i) R  G9 F, min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' k# y7 d9 K( r7 `$ v  s
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
  x: u+ {4 K0 Q4 dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* o6 l7 ]+ p) P4 |* i
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " h' G/ F$ ?9 Y* v) d0 q) k6 n
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / q! k; B9 T, r! U& `
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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9 ?3 h: _9 G, t! ~im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) U- A% t! T$ c: K
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( C; e- ~  [1 K! eFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 v! P, Y5 l  v: G7 f
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.' M# y% g+ U& X1 d( n
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 F% G- J) f/ m7 ~( p1 I5 c- vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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9 }/ ^) Y& G1 _: y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' C% t" x& x* ?, V" }2 E. r
Refer to last example,
  m; K* O5 Q. Hthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 _! f1 E0 m( Q: TBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 {+ R; q& X  j4 K7 w
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E- ^! y5 G" v6 q) e1 w
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, / ?; ?# ^! B$ \; Q" |2 n2 ?; K
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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/ o) N" j: I$ Z# C* {the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
3 ^" G/ {' H$ y3 Fin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
. Z! s, ]7 z5 p3 Kit's the problem of the debt itself.
# {* G' q' c. E5 w/ Wthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' O: G' |. R& |小弟一直都唔明...
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$ h" @" S! H/ m% G% i: I全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... w5 b$ l- E! X! @# E
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敬請各師兄解答, z5 X& P1 Z2 h' f; r; F+ A
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" t; V1 k5 [( V各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# U6 l7 a( d# t, k2 {
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 U5 [. ~- \5 k: {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: U( }. A8 V9 X8 I  E- J) t個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
* P* c/ @9 d8 E* R扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; a) |' m' e/ [. k% s
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 A6 c$ J' }- k7 U1 y- m! y/ z前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 W; q- U* _4 l0 ?1 B9 W9 g同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& L6 v  L$ L! z, o! o
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. a6 n: x3 s- i2 _
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - @* H' [4 Q; v9 |4 C, v$ M9 k
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 `3 H+ b1 B' Q' \8 c所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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! k  {, J( ^5 {" }4 e  D/ |- U" {你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
1 \  D6 i2 }6 N0 E+ O5 q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* h4 L& N! p( W* m  j+ H4 c4 t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 Z) i1 V  }& V呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' M" V2 o7 a% W9 X咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) H) u: P7 @  X
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - O( `$ A% f. z" R1 i! s* J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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& k6 d9 [: ?" j: F$ ?咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
: S$ N3 D8 f+ U+ w) C其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) G  `( a5 Z5 p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 `/ m2 U2 `3 F! M連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
1 x* J1 v7 h4 \6 I0 n8 i一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 S: Q7 W, P7 |/ U$ L7 B
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! r- U$ U' L$ R& _& j咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 W4 e, w6 ~  N( P
因為以前未生產, 先消費
, s$ l3 R3 g6 ^. {) |: ]; `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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