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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- p/ t  K& R  e' K: w* ^8 ?Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???. x: M7 y: M; Y1 ?9 P
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢1 ?, Y( |! a& B/ ~* P+ \% \
so銀行可以不斷放款
' X/ L# J- l6 W/ D+ \美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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. x* H5 H! F# `/ N  P8 R>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( Q- A5 i9 h/ s6 ^. u; ^2 F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 f/ {. s% X% n0 Z5 W* F
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 |9 I9 R, z" i% f2 m8 L% u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ z; N- r& ~4 {5 K- _: i$ z/ W
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" ~. N. n& g5 f3 z/ LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ i8 J5 b4 c, Qsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 }. M$ R: A% Q3 s' P9 }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : Z( i3 L: R8 B% L8 b0 a
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 V/ k; e% B2 m5 r% O3 Y& K' J
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* W3 i. x. N! }

" |2 O- Z# C% D2 }3 Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' M4 u% ]5 _+ V. l; b: S* q- U
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.  u- L8 r* L3 m& Z" n: ~8 ^
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
1 y1 X0 w: H  h! C4 C$ @* VA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.( |" i. i5 q/ N0 h  P/ K3 x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
. M# w& j  w# V8 T$ d  cbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. f- y5 n( A- s1 ]  `Refer to last example,
# _  K+ A( r+ |. A/ vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; \" g- E. d' O6 A* N- U5 \& I
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- V6 a( x! A7 I$ H) w; @/ otherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E5 X  A4 m. _) Z; I- u9 B+ p
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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4 ^# a* R) w6 \; T# ?the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 G) N# C3 S; b: m. L
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 n2 t4 F# e2 ~( [/ f1 uit's the problem of the debt itself.7 D2 \2 P$ J# k0 G0 y! E( t0 `
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 s$ Z5 R# b; h0 X7 S2 ]小弟一直都唔明...
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/ J+ ]9 f$ P$ @全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% E: o3 H7 y. S  l$ v
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... `+ E( X# w5 t* x+ }
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 Y0 a. q) Z( s. q0 S# s2 Z各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
; W# M1 p& @9 X2 j9 a當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
' j6 B) K/ i7 p: N% R" k於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: ]+ i* r* q& p% P& x! J個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 T7 y4 n+ I, r, `" e' o
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- u. y" O3 `* W3 w. b* B
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. b/ o1 U: C8 M
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 w# O* y, G% b! p! ]: J同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" B5 ~! y0 c$ k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- [! I% W6 W8 p9 Q$ A. _
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : ^$ i" e! P) d/ M6 C9 U  A# M2 f
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ e- I7 y, s$ X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 T5 a! R+ b/ |; L- f# t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 @) ^1 l5 n1 K+ s/ O: W
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 M% s7 c2 E: @2 p( s3 i
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   _* u' E) W& {0 W5 ?7 P- V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & S) F6 }9 u" ^/ |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  ?+ d, m: e0 |0 T
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 t+ N' m* j0 K# h0 M8 ?
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ M; v# x2 ~6 J3 f5 {' O6 @  X
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* @  [$ x  x+ M) Q連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票$ v! h. A# M3 X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% Q+ ~  ]% g# C- ^
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# s7 k3 P6 b0 S( \- k2 `
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
; u% i1 f, U0 P. m; \, W6 s! H因為以前未生產, 先消費- m1 ?1 a! x( W% o8 m% f
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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