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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, }' D& t. U! }% a: A9 B1 @0 Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* p& ]" o& v' ]9 A0 J
I was so confused.....
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4 _, H3 c7 d" o& t' _* x5 r講到尾都係賺錢
' G" }5 k& o6 r; r( A( ?so銀行可以不斷放款$ o, g  F/ Y3 h3 c3 l# `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( U) |+ g! z. Y, \8 C
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.  q) k. [5 X- ~7 \* Z4 V
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 X: [- @1 B1 W, n2 H/ q$ {
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." s- @- j5 h3 S" E# g+ _0 @
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 F: ^  b; L& gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities./ u( N, m5 d- a. {6 Z3 |+ e0 o0 o1 C
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 L: D: V8 D  `+ wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 \( E2 r8 e8 _& O) C& k3 Hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.   C/ Z9 K+ L  x5 W9 y, ]7 ?4 t- v4 m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ( Q; Y+ @2 [7 y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.; ~7 O: X& ?+ E
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 o6 K* A$ p! s7 g# B2 c
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 Y" p4 k% e: C  a: P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ Q7 x0 u2 G# m8 `$ M% f0 FA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- L; r. V& i! P3 c! X
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % Z; |5 t6 @6 A( z
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ `; Z- Z$ o0 i; q7 H3 n
Refer to last example,: H! l) J0 a% K3 D0 K6 ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. |) `# S  ~: T" Q/ ~+ iBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
8 O& V0 \/ K5 d* m8 otherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 Q) g' Q% U% z2 ^
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - b9 O0 v( C: `; d* I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 ~3 h& ]# q( L* Y
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ K; T4 V* X* ^+ D( F! dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 b1 c* Q, Q4 m( n  F6 N3 j5 ?7 ?3 y7 N
小弟一直都唔明...0 T+ _& t7 ]7 F3 v! u* I. g+ P

# [* R& R! X& k$ ^1 U& t+ s5 k; I全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ P% L7 ?. P2 p, m

; i6 j3 ]4 p) n6 T* m, p2 b! r. |無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...! y5 G2 l8 D! ?. X1 U6 J
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敬請各師兄解答( T/ s. w$ P) C" ?( _% j
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Thanks
8 I; \: B& E* M. z# ^# q那些根本係 紙上財富  
* n/ h9 u0 D( E: w/ n8 n各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產: O$ o  ?; D7 z' m' _5 g( p% k
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' a  O9 n5 I) b0 R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) ]# c) v, u0 m; x* P; O$ e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ r+ X$ B) c7 w. t" o7 V7 N
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,% s0 x+ Y) R4 V* Y7 L1 c2 Z
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" w5 @! ~3 ^; |) y# n& P前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 p0 a) P& H) ~8 ?8 d3 d
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; F4 ?* s8 ?4 D- {但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺0 z7 r! M( D) [; D4 D! n: t
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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0 J6 A. T' A6 j. r4 h你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 C( p/ |' G3 t, H2 f' X9 v但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 ?, K  K& v. g# Z) s- l2 J9 X8 z7 N* T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) M( \3 S. z, r' R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) f; n) R* f5 W3 l" F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 b8 @$ I6 e& W! W" a$ x1 N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 p1 X, ?! a4 p" L3 ]8 G' A: s
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣( `* i. c" F5 \
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) d; k3 o0 R1 X- a2 q) N& A連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) K, ?( V8 [+ I+ r0 i' n: E一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ O! y( G7 d- W' [1 N: H
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 O- l( }/ p; S( p咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...' m& t/ S' }$ x0 x
因為以前未生產, 先消費
* Q; R- P) ]0 C% a而家就要多生產, 少消費
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