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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 u2 r4 A" b3 f1 u
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  @& k) i1 _2 n9 r) K0 g) tI was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
4 q9 _) h* ^6 T6 F/ Y) O9 ^) o美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ {" @0 R+ Z, c7 p0 A

+ \1 y0 P3 G* `0 o, o! V: y4 Amortgage loan 6 J# q$ I0 M  E- P  R. o7 K2 n
>conduit6 h$ y/ I# E# G7 ^* l7 s9 N
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ k; p+ r* f) J5 I" U
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return./ `5 R) i( M9 F4 m+ D8 O8 _2 L
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& O$ L+ n5 U) [% a. k3 Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  J# ]' N. s+ e. I0 b. b
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return," G: `+ F; n* f+ E& e" t4 _0 Y
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, i$ I2 ]- H! w% x$ oAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., X8 e% c( M. }# q5 k* T
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 m! K7 w+ g" o$ k9 F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; m+ P' u3 k5 J" L1 \% Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 5 R! M( A/ X3 r: _4 X9 k
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 Z1 L. R. T1 o4 Z9 @+ M
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 p1 E: W* t6 m$ U1 zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,, C! s" N( Z  T5 i6 l6 Z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ }6 T- w6 l6 u! m  ]2 H7 j
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 9 O5 G* j. x1 W& L$ ]+ Q; G
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.$ A5 z# w5 ~$ Z3 |" q. y0 b

( C' I% }- ~. ][ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' y3 @! d8 }# O$ t* `6 e3 KRefer to last example,# a  Q) z+ E) c* h6 P: ]& f# `
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! ], ^& ^3 Y) z  H: L+ r, EBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 l  ~3 h  j) G( t* e0 v: v7 }therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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! ]$ o6 R& S; C( y6 D/ Y) [9 pA->B->C->D->E
  H7 F( g" W  J. }! c; j# Rso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 Z2 d+ s, \( h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 h$ r- @; s! Qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% l' _0 s; h" |: W8 x2 z$ kit's the problem of the debt itself.
5 ?" j5 A! {* Pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 {- w1 h7 Q* ]
小弟一直都唔明..." D3 ^! \6 K4 @; I5 C* Y; x
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 b' Z. ^3 }- ]. g7 l

- G9 `2 J, a7 i  G& q  M無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 _+ M: N* r" e: l8 a

& t$ l% F3 L3 Q3 @' `; T! _" F敬請各師兄解答
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% N5 u# w. m# |9 r9 q; b0 n- zThanks
0 V/ v4 A! i4 s& `0 ^3 D那些根本係 紙上財富  
; p! W+ Z6 Q& o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) \' [" R1 b% d, q. R
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 I: l# ]" |9 V- S' z1 B當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 w! U2 ^+ n' A  r
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 ]7 H8 j+ K9 A7 j/ ^& W; d3 J1 j* ^- l
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ o+ K* t8 t. e9 Q2 H! n! c扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' q4 e9 l9 R) G; u* V; L& Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 L3 h3 K8 o( Z1 z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 X* q" i" }# T6 b3 e同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 h4 o- f: `( O* s) G8 S1 h/ U但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 ?! B+ S* V1 V- e$ P" C8 v9 W: B7 ?
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 Y/ a6 y  k, W, K  X! @咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 T( l" e2 Y% R- ]6 j
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) G# b  t% c# O0 j( q7 V8 Q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( f  U$ |1 [( ^# F1 T: F6 N9 U. \8 n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' r& O5 @6 S8 C8 ^% Y/ |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 G/ F9 \: W% h% a咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! p! w6 T- @: S! h! s
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 e9 |+ Z% g. c5 F9 T3 M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 T+ }8 y8 p2 }9 D: _- @1 H1 y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  S5 _) I+ W  P) v% m1 _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
5 d; ?4 ]) H! a7 w/ M5 S其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) W+ M0 {5 }+ |6 F
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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: F, E4 a  F; s  r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ [* Y4 N- h, v連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' T2 w9 z$ U4 v一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! f' X) G0 ?8 l& r  _/ s9 O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. A, J5 l* m1 ~! F( x/ A" H' S
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 \. M4 P# R% K+ ^7 h0 B; `其實係...+ p* y; t; e% h* B! V. x1 h4 L$ V
因為以前未生產, 先消費
/ H5 c8 m/ l7 H& N/ W$ _9 t& z& t而家就要多生產, 少消費
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