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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ V# r" B2 J8 |6 |6 K4 b; D
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢- o& ^2 J, u5 O" y# d( ?
so銀行可以不斷放款# m3 c+ c: ?* z" n; x8 B
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan & c0 h- }) r; a8 V
>conduit
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>arranger
6 F! L8 U) r* h) T+ f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 v# @8 v8 P( SCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- @& k+ C4 K% d9 s) d7 B, }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 @5 G# K0 B: I5 n
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
/ i) R# f0 U8 ?in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 L& d  @, B2 `% _- o" m: q! ^& DAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* Q" k( G2 ]* v& W& B0 i
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,: N2 X) {9 q# A4 X. {% M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
" c4 N6 Y" L' s$ ]& Aeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & ~2 o# \# h- x- [( R) q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" b9 W6 K' c) L8 u: P/ Rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ G1 ^# b1 X& Q; }7 k
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ _9 u1 x+ }1 l, d( E0 sFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% U: {. ~  r4 h) i0 D: m4 bA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! E! R8 s* `& K, F9 VThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
* i9 o! V$ U, u" X, u$ P$ m/ gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 [" G, Y6 V3 L, }8 _
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; p4 o, x7 F. r0 C6 g8 A* Y6 U
Refer to last example,
6 f" S- `  F9 y, u% y, i& f) rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 s6 p* G; N6 h; i3 J6 S
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& @& i; r0 B! |7 K) gtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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5 m  Z. m, [+ j# g6 J* MA->B->C->D->E
! _! Y/ |% x7 @" |  t1 gso does it mean if E failed to pay D, " f2 Y3 l$ t3 Z6 H. m+ Y3 M9 y: \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + i( L- q* H" }2 R' q4 h7 ^4 b7 [  a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . C6 |; m+ @# L7 n4 R! ~
it's the problem of the debt itself." J1 Y, E  b1 o+ M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 P" q1 i7 a4 H5 q& q; w+ q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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9 i7 B. V! q; f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 k3 u: W5 O5 }' i$ ^- c4 e

+ q* r: X0 j: i6 m& }' x" r敬請各師兄解答; Q; e3 O$ O9 S! _, C

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( f% q/ ?/ |" J4 k6 ^各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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3 p5 A4 D6 q# Ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) v& ^/ r; u. p) C+ m$ N% P2 }: `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; F- f+ Y6 U* c& ~3 j0 i
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! w% o  S' z: S7 h9 E. W個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
* G$ \4 Q0 u( ~& v$ {扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 K5 f3 w: }/ r7 G9 e$ U計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* ?: f9 t4 k7 A2 V  ?前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 Y, ^( O2 C4 n. \$ }0 j8 u5 P& s# J同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 G1 G1 m3 l7 o7 r3 L9 N, I& L$ E8 e但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! u0 M6 \# t6 D例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) u6 J: y; A% @( U$ i( U9 p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 W. k* e/ i1 @& A& u$ r! O" Z" Y; j所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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# G! m4 K4 t) `* ?0 [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, " A- Y4 h1 E$ q; [- C
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * k, i* k7 m- L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 e  W/ M" r+ s; N. b/ X7 M1 R( K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* T6 p9 b- P% a3 h5 ]$ B8 S唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / a* g- W8 M3 h1 p# _
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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$ _- \' f3 i# m  i咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣* P4 N  v( l# j! ]  z7 Y" p3 f
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ O$ K; \+ U  @4 H# Z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& E, s3 B7 i2 Q) y4 }: I. m一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
2 L+ C) C) b& \/ o編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, s5 |; ]( W: E+ _6 w3 S
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- M( C  c, }6 D. G  J) m其實係...
5 n+ W6 Q, k4 e# G% Y因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 U# M% \2 [: i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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