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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- j# Z6 f7 o8 R' D" vWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 A1 U! w& q- F; w% \6 I) FI was so confused.....
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8 h$ K; Q8 v4 k# g* \( U/ R0 @) C講到尾都係賺錢4 {! t7 p4 U- i* @' d3 f- a' @8 ?
so銀行可以不斷放款
' ?! M: e+ s% w( h" R, I! g  C美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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) X/ x7 D% r( `( P$ Omortgage loan 9 v% s& {4 V% C. ?: Z6 E" v
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)  f+ W& t; |; j9 [( C+ z
>arranger
$ f4 R& A6 O- z>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 V( Z' a" `4 Z0 u* tCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
3 V0 a, D3 k6 U. Ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. s* e. h8 A5 M: Xmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 ~- Y4 P  ~; Y- T  d. \5 D+ T
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( q! I/ x  a2 k! _; {
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 T+ F6 M# X( L
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ |8 |% W" ^8 H& b- ~0 I3 h' Nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, M3 y- ]7 y3 k0 ^% G" n/ x! N6 Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( I2 j& X, E- X# Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# R* U. |9 p. a" m5 V

3 V, X! `) ]; j9 him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' A5 }8 B* l+ A9 b/ |in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 T. Y* D. J/ `8 Q- S4 }( m
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( S, t; E2 y2 r2 W8 g4 N
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 r* J: H/ T1 K) t; q4 Z5 zThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; P) ~4 {8 }8 v# r# n% ]* _
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- k8 N$ h5 t' h9 }
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 k: Y7 K& B+ `$ @0 f, G' \# BRefer to last example,
6 L7 ~# W1 ]) D) N" f6 Y2 A8 {that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 T2 d! ~2 [% O. pBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
6 e9 G& W" q; y0 U) G% ?therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
+ |8 \* y" n  ?( y# Mso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 R8 w" j/ d0 B! y2 f
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % X0 ~+ _- p- L" D1 p/ Z2 h$ z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
& d! ^: T7 \$ s3 C+ F. Kit's the problem of the debt itself.
! h$ c0 o: i( N# x; M1 ~: t  `7 lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, @  C7 D/ l- O! H- Q( f小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., A% ^. j9 p/ A3 M

" F  L$ a7 y/ B; |# Z* w敬請各師兄解答
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: f8 y4 t# u( G9 O; V3 aThanks
! Y# ?/ F$ ?) H& \那些根本係 紙上財富  1 c8 g9 r: Q4 i
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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7 W  ~/ F9 v% Khttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 E3 O  S, a2 [, U: i1 }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; X" Z0 l0 e5 c% @
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊) O% e# I/ [  S! n
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 Y8 ?2 R+ ]$ G8 }+ c5 C$ H扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
5 a4 C( N+ J2 Y1 w' W6 q1 Y+ [2 T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, ^% H+ _) d- s$ b; {5 O9 M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& o8 X6 q( w' W# z' U
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
6 P" W; @! }9 m; S/ m+ A" k但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺/ U. A: S. O5 w4 @$ D- j
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: E7 y) A' C" \, W咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) _& d4 \! K  t  c% o. V6 t4 y& f所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁- _1 l1 G. u8 ?0 Z* ?! s( x) q  r! J
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 N0 G' @7 W2 ^. P
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 h9 M2 w  ^1 l2 L# g2 \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   o, `7 f$ H) _& \2 G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 d+ \; n7 h! d咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 H% [8 e! Z% @- j$ ^1 \% {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: ]$ c: m- M& [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 I# L0 K: L) |0 u! Z/ x1 w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' Y. G, A, Q2 B+ X6 o; k0 r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣0 e, m/ G6 a% Z- F
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 e. n" @) f# l) |" b1 Q9 A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 r( S' h1 {6 Y1 c

: E$ H: R9 I/ [; w2 D再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( b) {" W- {* U9 Z+ N( a& A  |連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票0 {& k  N4 ?$ V1 O/ V4 t
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# K1 P: r- W7 r, e
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& e0 ~) F5 U, [咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ }) E5 c- j8 h* @0 V5 A; N
因為以前未生產, 先消費9 C1 ^" g' y9 E! E0 V& c9 K6 B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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