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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( \! u, M$ [5 A8 `& @) F- kWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???  o6 g  t- M4 B; _: M
I was so confused.....
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1 E) G+ Q- i- l講到尾都係賺錢  i! t: Z" B. p* o- h: E
so銀行可以不斷放款
+ ~5 J0 v; q) ]1 L美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 9 B. r  M" A4 W
>conduit, W2 U, K  `/ q: M- c
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 a" U$ L2 |/ d. p& d
>arranger
. b4 w, P9 l4 L$ j>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 l1 U( e/ a- s' q6 S" f+ @2 K, I
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  l: f2 W& z# k) Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ s* |; K! B7 @3 x, L0 p; O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: k6 A/ R7 ?  g: `4 V5 b. PAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 M" x1 f6 r! ^2 K& [# O2 L8 O; ^8 C
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, P5 ~7 w- c' P% q6 o, t0 `3 _normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' G' w! ]* T$ _& G& Yeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / T. U. ~! M7 @3 f% O
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* \) q2 {0 q6 Z8 U# S+ v: m+ ?: S/ d4 Gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ R) ?3 O. s# A+ p4 X0 z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 \* L9 [' x/ }9 o/ w
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: Y! F0 {+ W+ \5 Z  e% lThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& Y3 j' X7 n* r" S9 \# Tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 ?  c$ H2 S" N1 F/ |
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  p  W! u- Q2 t8 `$ [
Refer to last example,
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Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 f" o, I4 D3 L4 ]
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
7 E- c& J; N5 E# \7 w5 t$ y! N( [& r& iso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
% H( s  T8 F3 k- y1 vall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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4 R! T; B% \# j* Athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) O$ V' g, D- O/ @1 y
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 f. i0 F9 z- G. Y+ Z( `5 ait's the problem of the debt itself.
3 P# k! G5 j, u* \; ?! gthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" s$ M1 f; ]( F$ v2 C( ^8 x( N* y小弟一直都唔明..." P" p. A# e1 o3 [1 v8 C8 O4 e  c5 Z

2 Y3 R' C9 r0 y8 N3 D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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1 T* \6 B5 u9 Y. q/ r; @/ i5 H6 Y無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  r" c, T, j+ O& v

: a( n5 W% J' R  y2 b. [; `敬請各師兄解答9 n4 a; b( H# Z6 V- ]

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6 i; o& K" t6 S2 ^4 }8 [4 V那些根本係 紙上財富  
: V' O  H% P5 Q; X% \7 W2 {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 D( C9 o6 d3 G7 V& M0 d

3 y, _3 }6 q# Qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ m) U" r2 j: l6 C" y) n0 q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 c4 G5 E5 Z: V$ \# F" q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 V, d- \# d* @0 Q# {個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 T* x& J& H8 ~5 {( \% ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 P9 l- _2 C- [: j  h3 ]( V8 N( [
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 r2 u2 L+ X1 H1 E
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ G" M: s/ {- j  K8 E3 I6 z- e" |同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. m5 H' O# Z9 @3 c: ~. O
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ d9 d8 ]8 i: B' G' P例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
! l$ R- f6 z. g" R4 b咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 ]! Q$ M' |$ D. B5 @& C, [) h% L所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' ?3 h4 ?" s: V, q; i8 A. ]但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 L# _1 e/ @5 n2 A+ y+ O7 F- j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, i2 ?$ s3 z: O0 {( s9 H9 j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! X8 b3 }) x, O8 f5 g0 {7 X: U8 `
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# u. L$ S0 @% h5 p( `4 \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! i& ^, k, k" |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 t3 s- q! d, s/ ^
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣: i3 e" z/ o# @( G: [
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
( ^; E" O  A$ p' Y2 O0 i0 w分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 w, j$ f; b( Z3 s再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- v/ Z0 {1 f# A) X
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票+ S- K* |/ q1 T1 W7 P7 W* @
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 L& c9 z% X6 B6 t7 j; B) M
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ V1 D1 b& q$ L; x8 \  L* d' F咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 l( K2 B  j7 y" i! r' y其實係...$ A. q" Z& f( v
因為以前未生產, 先消費3 P& v' B1 c) ^8 Z# ]
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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