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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 O7 X! N: x# E9 yWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
6 n* |8 |( L# e0 [2 K( JI was so confused.....
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+ `9 c3 F3 D2 V. N. s3 _4 {講到尾都係賺錢( P& S& P! i/ ~/ h* V
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 y  f; o  M8 H! b% u3 i美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 d0 ^3 O. x1 R; k- x

- S$ j: |  K+ h% G* N9 k! A2 N' wmortgage loan # h- q5 a& k5 O
>conduit
3 S( T9 r& L; R3 o4 [: J+ e- M( j) t>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' I! `! b5 w2 q$ y3 o
>arranger
: k' t: W3 T/ r3 L" h2 S5 a: t9 `; J>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return." q7 X  H" [* C& k1 n; e6 ]  k
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: k, U. G  [0 y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 m/ J) m9 p. pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 N! B/ A! @8 I3 g' K: D1 U
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( ?. v. T  t6 b+ r7 J" O' M  LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% j& o( X0 E8 z- ~$ F! ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
+ d; ^; l% ]7 |* N% n$ Gnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 e1 t5 K2 o5 |% X9 Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ b5 J: k" h  r- v% X* Bbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 i' f% h! E* c4 }: L. i  T, _
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 e; l' a& K, L9 A) y8 P: K
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
5 K% |, u. s+ |For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: Y1 u& k% ~) ^$ X. v1 L" r  M
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* b, v+ i* h# D  B* M, T# r' [The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * s, p2 r' i- r0 m
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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9 m4 w+ ]' s! f. N4 F4 u7 |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 d2 t+ j: R$ R! K+ YRefer to last example,, m+ V' |1 x3 w$ L
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 Z1 l2 n3 [! t0 B5 p; j' m! Y6 K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # k' I/ s8 u8 b" x; Q5 i
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E+ s, f; I: G8 p. f
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 {/ n8 u3 Q6 }0 t9 e5 X* s) tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ S' b: [3 s" i

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$ b+ X  m+ ^% t, F  Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / q( _4 x) F0 s" K, L5 H
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 I4 ^4 t$ L* D" o* E
it's the problem of the debt itself.
, U" c3 Q8 E: R+ f) pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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+ a) W( K+ P/ t& z6 l! _全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?3 ~; V( q" E, D/ v; U. E6 Y

3 X5 n! N+ t  T$ h, m無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& p3 ]! `9 |6 M敬請各師兄解答3 H2 M) I$ o1 Q6 F6 S
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  0 ^0 P1 }  ]1 r
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" w0 \) P& z! ?; w2 Q- i6 F
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 r. x0 Z: f5 F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
. v& m& S* S, {/ P個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" q. O5 ]* _) a; @+ h
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ ^0 G% S; N% i$ V7 B3 o% v% q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  D. U  [! p4 v: P9 ~& u前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& Y4 ?# S" ~! o/ |: ~0 K% C- ~
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; ^5 p- k# }! e但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- Z" Q4 z; n# A例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
' n% m6 q+ [" i. ~+ h/ q$ Y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%+ k9 ^+ G  E5 P+ h
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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3 A9 ^- I# n! U3 p4 |& C: ~* f你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, Z, n' W" _) m$ p% ~' J但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ g$ c. I5 x7 l& H% U. F8 m& y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" `# ?* N" L6 A( j) R$ x呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 h' K* U6 B3 O% E5 f( a
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' X7 y" f$ t( p, q9 O; n7 m唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 I; c7 F; M' Y) w) _2 @% j4 S: V淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% y0 P  l+ l" P9 K! x( y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
. d1 e5 `/ i5 {2 f% B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 }: T* ?9 L$ S; |( }$ j" [正係咁樣- T( K" M" ~+ X) j7 w- B8 p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ h, Y6 Y6 V$ o( g6 g9 g分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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9 ^) y; M0 @1 w, |# d' K$ r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ n8 \& o3 v: G- o連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' r  l. e$ Y4 I/ R- \一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 Z5 O3 r+ @7 G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 Y* o( e" W" Y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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& y* V; j$ o- j# v: h; b7 b其實係...% T  h+ f5 g6 q4 _/ {4 o3 J! j* ]
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 p, c* @- |5 ~' _9 J而家就要多生產, 少消費
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