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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 }" `, i& e$ F' b* g* @0 m5 x' Q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???  \" }% I1 f% V4 r/ O& E2 t- [
I was so confused.....
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! Q, b4 B3 C& l/ q  h講到尾都係賺錢5 W2 T7 j9 V  s* `1 c2 o
so銀行可以不斷放款
, t% D, \) F( T6 P- ]美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 j" m, l% Q/ r% s; y3 {

. Z$ F9 A6 O2 g! t2 S8 Ymortgage loan * B4 N/ W* H: J6 s2 B) l4 X5 ], }
>conduit8 M& ]* S0 T$ q, }: b
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). S9 o6 C* r# y2 [) b8 M" @0 f
>arranger
) b# Q( [$ ^* s# ~>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 ?1 ^( }& X1 Y7 V( Y' ?3 E$ QCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
) |9 x: N5 {) J7 J+ |4 J" S" ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
' {/ K% M. N7 Z; g5 s; emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# i) g& D7 n9 u8 V9 `
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 B9 v* |$ b) H" `0 [/ Z! O# z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, ?& v1 S/ t& J, jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,- w$ X$ K# T! }0 Y8 s1 O
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 h) h: n$ ]6 q+ V
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " t" }$ @" O1 |. G1 I
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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. B  w$ V: ^% U) Z! eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& f& R! o0 Y% l% E4 S  l' W( F
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 X" ?; L' F5 Y$ e! WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. C4 B: v; j$ ^6 p5 |A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 P8 d( ?* I1 F/ w. TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # w1 @/ N% A; O6 N' Q
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.6 C( B; H3 j( M- W- m
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ @; G0 i& L+ T! y1 y1 URefer to last example," Q1 C# v  M7 S6 a. D
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' J" z0 p$ C2 U0 L0 c4 N
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! ?* @2 L: |" J8 ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 r! f; i$ r8 p$ AA->B->C->D->E
% v. A: n: b7 j6 z2 @$ p, oso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
  Y2 R& s) s3 N+ L  u3 Xall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ j/ ?" }2 f$ y0 }' d( x8 Y

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: \1 _, `1 ?% Othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + V9 Y7 o' o: g$ K& |/ V$ N/ h  V, o
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 8 j( ^" D; q* C# m- q0 n
it's the problem of the debt itself.1 x- P$ G& Y( O" T2 ]) B
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ A! }$ |6 H) [. e6 n* {
小弟一直都唔明...
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" r! s4 @, C! o  P3 v全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ Z! ?0 ]5 f3 R

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Thanks
- `" v9 _) O$ P* L+ ~  y那些根本係 紙上財富    P1 s/ c" C0 x; f
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 E( s7 k. {' t9 F0 |1 [, ~/ t
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 Z4 @4 D+ E( p1 E8 Y0 {! @
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* c' g4 W- d+ [2 `$ C- P( R- {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 j1 B2 ]0 c1 h1 w3 c* \. s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. _& h/ _( r3 f  q) ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  R0 E; W" \0 A5 p& Y% F
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺7 E6 P. D+ X6 |- J: O7 ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 k. O/ i2 A. w  O" r
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
- Q$ C) c( h- C3 a& [但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺( e3 y+ N" W9 E7 ?
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 _: S1 u# F. |* W/ U& d; R: g, {
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 v+ z8 c7 F' q* N
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; T0 s, @4 l' E" k5 p
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  Z! C& ^% x# ^: v+ k; i但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 d: R  ^- o' [; a  S$ Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) S: m4 d7 _. C" C呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  x7 {5 {7 v3 t; v: D6 A8 Y& N
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; ?' S, \1 M. m' b0 D- U唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ j  g0 |0 O+ c; S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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' K$ P3 V7 u5 }( X其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業( i" \+ e+ }  S/ d0 `  V1 z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢# T/ w4 J- f$ b: L

( ^2 i9 r, r$ f7 @% n( F) C3 I3 `再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" `  `. Z  ^- c% n; n" M$ G: D/ @連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! N4 B2 ?7 G1 s  b4 |1 {$ h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
& G* P/ A6 y2 L* D$ ?8 B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 J, w& D) q' t3 v0 {- ~2 A
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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# g' {' @4 g  ?! a/ @5 [其實係...: P: H+ C* I4 }  ~% T8 F' c
因為以前未生產, 先消費
# U4 D% D& ]0 s9 v0 h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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