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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: I9 e, J" Z( Y) ~. m
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& q7 s* F* C: q' T
I was so confused.....
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7 V' \/ E2 f( K# p4 j) x講到尾都係賺錢
9 s4 W8 _4 t% K+ H& U: A1 cso銀行可以不斷放款
" o, i% E4 v2 F5 g' ], ?& n美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; k5 J7 d" h4 F, i6 S* f
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 c: Q& _, f" ?, \
>arranger
2 j# k3 s4 b7 m5 s* R& D. U>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ D; k2 F- ^' DCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 _! A. `+ }7 B. P4 @0 ^0 s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  C5 Q  H- Z( t7 d; C7 |" N
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  s: l8 e  q& j% T
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' V6 o$ L6 R6 w2 c
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: p! U2 i) P1 p3 E9 r3 P, Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% w; }' P8 a2 h6 [
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 m- ~' P* e4 L
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " k3 o1 f: [: o$ Q& S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 ^* A2 k0 b/ u8 h4 n7 d( _
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. n+ W3 Y+ g7 WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 h6 y1 F) Y" v" ZA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 y0 G2 a9 t" S. w5 Y0 T8 b: LThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; ^$ H: i$ u# f- ]  R5 O
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ [% @3 l3 e1 r1 l: T& QRefer to last example,% V7 d/ K; b" {" k6 I: k
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
4 r; [4 m( E# B- DBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: w7 L5 A& n1 y9 [* |therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
7 ?% g- `- \9 D8 I" X2 @+ {! P; d  ~so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 A: _( `: J- Z- K  call the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ K& f0 T- L  M
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 S5 h' ?7 R7 h3 J% {
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / g# d" v  T0 a  q
it's the problem of the debt itself.
% \  ]0 \: o* c( jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* O1 n$ g" T& \. N
小弟一直都唔明...
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. T/ `# h# w) y  z( p5 [全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 i' @3 V: L* _, `4 {

) J7 ]- |1 d9 S) w7 O, `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ f/ @' ~0 H- K# F. u6 I3 l7 x
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  % p' V; x/ p( y$ T' i
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 O' j$ g& a! r2 _9 B. O2 z7 C

1 F" {( w- C& x# Z9 qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) q2 i6 Q9 B3 q/ S/ ^. a! _
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高% b. G  i" P1 u' s
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ y0 ~2 X( e/ s* u! l* ~; i8 K個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 V7 c. J* g/ ?扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," u9 S* W. V4 g6 h6 [. q
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 S5 i; @1 h, s2 V前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 T7 ?! p# ]% ~) u$ m$ C9 k
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 h: a5 h7 w+ J但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ {( v6 a- b, v/ @3 E- Y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 r  a- J. e2 I, X8 w
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 A# L$ ]9 g  W# U6 _+ n1 K所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% ~3 N  |2 C5 c6 F

! R6 M4 s3 A" r' L你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( x+ ?5 L& i* Q( ~+ J
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 a/ A! T* {) a- m) b3 Y* w淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   y8 x9 R! X! ]0 c8 D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 o7 s$ x% F" _! J* s$ j# T4 y6 K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ m6 Z5 k1 Y: I/ Y# m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) f( B+ m. c7 T( M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
" v8 t1 v& k9 c3 J% k其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
( }' p# j. s# f3 ~' v/ ?9 _分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 u# Z7 K- t# }- n1 O0 [

8 J' R" E7 m' n) M/ J4 Y再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 f! ~$ D" A8 {- B2 X2 d# M連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# Z5 f; Q; _7 }* _1 Z: S2 G- R一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 ~9 j& Q( o; E. ~. l3 h$ ^
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 {1 U$ s! J1 c# ~1 h7 v
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: g- j$ j! y) P% w因為以前未生產, 先消費
) b+ j  F( h; c而家就要多生產, 少消費
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