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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 r9 W$ w6 m7 W5 f
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 S1 g: S4 S# d, HI was so confused.....
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5 S) `2 e% o# X2 s8 q# H4 V講到尾都係賺錢0 p$ e" S; g( Z% S$ J
so銀行可以不斷放款+ y) |0 M; O& t3 c5 y3 r+ O
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( y# h! t0 [  e

# V5 ~8 o8 N. h+ a7 dmortgage loan / r' s- }! L; q9 |. S6 J" ?
>conduit
. o5 {- Y; }- C( d( d% b: L6 z) U>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 m9 p/ _  o9 s5 Z
>arranger
4 Z: r+ `, b0 g; Y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)4 c0 f8 w3 s* T4 U% @0 `6 b' {
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' }: H: x. x/ eCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
7 @( v! [& d% U( y6 ?+ A9 [more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) r, _' H2 E. _* D
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) e; T6 O1 G$ y# }" O* Zin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 h; |% W  P' ]! p/ e' DAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
+ y) t; k2 l" p, V8 E9 ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ b! b5 G; `! o; ?6 q6 hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; h2 m) ~6 y6 X, r8 `- m! w$ W
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - a4 L: B1 D! {1 I" k! e! c
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ R, H; k5 V8 N( Z8 v- K) l

/ x5 O" ~' Y- }im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 Q$ _$ D, h4 G) Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 I4 S, ~3 X! _; R+ i, F
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; m" W( m4 _( h3 i9 X
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 J4 r4 A0 Z* N/ M0 `# C7 X
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - _5 D6 s: N" O# S
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ f( n& K: q$ T1 L3 d) Y  N& I

' R9 u6 x1 ?% l+ Q8 n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 n7 C! {5 F2 y  _3 Y2 [- g$ sRefer to last example,
" n; L. M7 J& l8 z+ [$ [/ Pthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) j* x- T" X  L, \+ CBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 Q4 k5 m0 `3 h0 h- Xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
; u; z. p; z" w$ C! N. Z" Xso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- C) Q% d* t; v% b$ ~- K1 y$ mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   O2 R& `' r6 t) h8 q2 V
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + e, E- B" `" w, N6 v8 z; w% w, q1 r
it's the problem of the debt itself.
; C' q" I' f: d, }& ~; u; L/ ^the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 Q6 @" ^0 z- G9 O# d# {* f: g* ~7 Q小弟一直都唔明...9 D; @: {; ^) i
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; @# c* [2 l$ c# S7 W3 @

' G' a+ k9 d$ a8 e無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答* P& Z3 U) ~3 ], Q- S6 H! R% a/ {
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Thanks
1 |# Z, e: T1 @) D! @5 }2 n: A+ U那些根本係 紙上財富  
0 Q% [* \! k4 x' |$ A7 n各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! `# {  n) b3 C! ]8 Z7 nhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ @- Y& D+ H# B. J當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. [! O& {5 K. t4 O
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
1 ^: s8 L2 n& a! a3 k, P' P- n1 j" B% W個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 r9 Y& G- c4 C6 X! R6 f* i& `- _扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: y/ S- ]3 u, `  _0 e
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* L3 C0 R  H) w& H) [8 w前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 T) S; q, A$ A2 B, A+ `
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" P% G+ p: D+ u" h& E. F: A
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 x* m- @2 Q& Z& f) g% J; E6 w
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 ?. n; @; J8 z
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 T/ E$ |1 R/ @
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 c1 M1 U8 O7 M2 p3 l0 |但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 f: s4 j! r- N0 j. F. g
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 e/ c! e. n5 I- {
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 K5 M8 f4 k! Q' ]: \, U4 T6 V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  }2 S9 j& L5 ?4 Y' P  C唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  q# n2 i$ W1 X1 }9 [3 b; i, _! G淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! Q) M5 n0 K6 [  @8 H( F: o
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 @% |1 ^# |1 J- I
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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+ L3 n! w1 e! ?! M/ t正係咁樣
5 q$ y$ n: N  a2 k+ y" K4 ]" i/ Q, {其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
- [0 A4 {6 h! [6 A9 {  l) s$ X分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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! s/ B& M" f+ b6 K6 {9 C2 x# l再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) S! z9 Z% N  y: c6 `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; U6 T6 ^9 ]- t: t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 a$ s; q6 O" N+ P編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 j. Z* W5 i  ]8 \0 [3 X
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 r  o$ N5 l3 U3 j: h, \. \3 S, Y6 y其實係...+ f5 @& n# l9 y5 Q3 d
因為以前未生產, 先消費
! e  i9 H' s; @, C( \' o/ I: O5 d而家就要多生產, 少消費
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