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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' x1 b! Q$ z) j5 R) ]# T. }9 uWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ q$ `. c7 R* E& y- K' ~
I was so confused.....
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% q% U* d6 ~1 C" }8 s講到尾都係賺錢. i" X4 X7 A6 @4 N+ U2 O) T
so銀行可以不斷放款
6 L% r& G. v7 R美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ) x' R2 R, o/ {$ t/ b* P
>conduit
1 d/ ]1 G; S, `1 L9 P7 y( E1 Q>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 G8 O& b: M: Z) \/ E* Z1 ?2 z
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, J% Y( u" N3 Q/ J1 j& qCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, @, ~; G5 G  l+ @more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& M) ^# @$ V1 ^
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* }+ x3 F* p4 L
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 b3 u; Y, D; i" M, A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% I- z8 y& J) W* B- P
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* u. T7 H5 p" `* s: U
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ z7 j+ p/ ]1 a' E: m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * {8 |) u8 }8 f; [, |
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% `5 T* {. c4 ^  g: B+ o4 F
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ ?4 `( i- @7 I  }+ P" |+ qin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 ]& x% M" R, |$ C0 V* Q5 i( P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  g+ I% n0 p! K2 L- C
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 c6 h4 ?  }2 ~- L2 p# y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
5 N' x+ {( v) D3 E! |. T# Ibut the value of their assets did really drop significantly., [, J% a9 I, h, f7 x. W

- o4 _% S( r# W# `$ L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; m( K7 n0 H0 B" z4 w
Refer to last example,
# m0 p) I2 d. o, r4 d% Ythat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: R- K3 T- }* u; y- t% x; ~4 NBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
* s) o: d3 i$ n7 l/ utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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! S' m1 N/ z' V; u! GA->B->C->D->E
5 V1 K  r5 N3 a+ ^* i5 Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D, # u! |  a2 ?# P) o5 u9 }1 d
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ d/ R" t9 Q, n" i6 }: s

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " |$ L2 k6 h7 |1 e
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
9 K, D+ u+ w( p) Z& W( g- ^it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ G+ X5 B# Q1 athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( J6 E1 p% _1 p# z) y1 A
小弟一直都唔明...
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9 W" I" B  U/ F* s: h2 _% l全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?4 P7 t/ |! y5 {, i7 o3 u5 m6 o
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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" i5 a" ?/ R8 t( Q$ j8 P8 \Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " Z( u9 a$ e- p5 @8 V* r
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic& V# d3 N8 f/ v) F
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 @/ W- _6 ^1 G3 Z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- t) N0 i' p7 B. S5 d4 j% F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊: Y9 ~- F- |, Z" Y4 q" a
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦6 C, K/ v; z7 }
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 c# [$ s1 A2 F3 r( I% N) N
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; \' J" U. }9 {: b+ y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ K. ?  S6 G: w" {, ~
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
: ?8 r4 b% g5 @6 ?* k& N! b但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 b. c* g4 R& ^3 W1 a0 b! b6 b
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + G8 D3 z! K1 g1 j) y" E5 g
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) Y5 `8 ]( r7 H3 f, ~9 @
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; ?5 F$ b1 x2 V; q% O- O3 a
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% F0 z0 ]. _# Y7 N但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ l; I) O7 a. J) j9 j9 h7 V淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ ~& r( p" J. j4 _, P5 S
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ a% n& h! U9 ^( h* y; Q+ p
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- \* ^! s7 U% y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + i/ V. F, l0 U, ^  z2 x4 Q# {# g
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
0 J$ M3 y0 g* ?* t/ D8 J9 x咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣: a6 j" C+ c) y! t% ?. O9 H8 D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  {! s) |' u+ p! n: y/ C0 G" O
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  J* A. v: s' P; W0 G0 U
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ [/ V2 t! W% X: R, e% V# E
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' p) _- y3 f+ k$ h2 r編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 P/ E$ F! [: v  g5 D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ \$ M2 S5 U' r2 j/ \9 y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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