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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 Q6 Y" R2 Z; _; N% F4 V6 aWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???- M% f: U7 @/ A  b2 a5 \
I was so confused.....
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& \& j& z8 `  N3 R講到尾都係賺錢/ V& Q2 G6 I+ [3 i7 l
so銀行可以不斷放款+ r- ]1 o7 O- h6 q4 i# o8 v) X( ^
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! O5 k$ F% W1 ACDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 H. E) v  N: }: R/ lmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 B: v2 J& r/ P; T/ s$ N+ C4 i! z; A/ q
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ I- v4 k3 `" {# P$ u$ V( Vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 V( z5 q+ s0 A7 V: f2 A8 s! z0 f: S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ c/ E/ t* N$ O! Q# v  S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 C' e+ M: F5 @, Z) enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - e; r# M' e) P- x& J9 g# m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . Z- v1 L. L. F6 ]* x8 P) S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& m& F% X: Q! k* H: Y" i& X

3 C0 H, N. g; s8 H" D+ Lim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; x* K6 `$ V  E+ V9 Min stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.' I6 h1 N* Y4 J3 q( ~9 }1 Z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 o, E8 o) w; w% s( X
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ t8 X* U5 N5 V# ]) x4 |- z9 PThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % b) ]  s8 U2 P- x2 Z, W: G+ U0 R
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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$ D$ I; I% g6 a# e* q. ~0 n1 j[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ ?& N- c0 y! c6 P; a$ fRefer to last example,1 G  {; H# E" I8 K
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * Z' c* i8 D' s7 Q5 [; C
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 S! G  k0 V# t' x( Y& Rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) ~$ {9 w( Q1 T, dA->B->C->D->E6 {0 J8 T' F& ?" p  S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 I4 v% F$ ], l' K( \all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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$ {1 d6 a+ S/ G! F# I& \$ sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
: Y: e; i8 ^3 i$ u6 e& Qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ ?$ w; F9 N2 y1 i
it's the problem of the debt itself.
6 H: w$ Y* g' H5 K# Hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# H7 A0 ]% `9 H; T" @3 f7 x, Q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( s" {" V9 E6 |7 b) ]# T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: _- v1 y  y% C' o6 W0 Y; Q, @, K

) \0 O3 ^2 w0 X, G$ o敬請各師兄解答* D5 ?' p: E3 c, L

: O$ u0 H# f9 O' QThanks
* I: P2 K( @! ?那些根本係 紙上財富  " ~7 F( J; W% z! U  k5 Y% ^) r  h% H
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% v) o5 u9 L& M+ }
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% [* @1 w1 L: Z# I' k5 r當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ |! d! P) x6 X- @1 f
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊+ j* n4 J+ U- v1 j  |+ J
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" Z# u0 T" g" C6 B扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 k2 v, s, g+ w* D8 N9 M
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: r% A# p4 n9 y! }' z+ b5 @% A7 f
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
$ Q7 s: S2 q+ P) n8 O  V3 J同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 h2 u# _# A. G8 O但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" d7 g! o/ e9 J7 |7 ~6 |例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - B9 N  G' w5 K7 ~& Q5 Y
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 m2 s& p& q6 c8 T; v$ H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 V% F: V% m. C+ X4 s9 }

4 A6 C. h8 {7 m2 U. @& |+ `" \- X你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
$ P- O5 W. E, ^) F5 T但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 K# w; w5 E8 M) b/ _" `' ~3 V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ E/ A5 l5 x8 p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 H& M* u9 g5 @5 b9 Y. y' }; U; G, o4 G咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* S) k9 B5 c6 `2 R
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 }$ h# K) h  s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* x% l( T9 d/ l2 u' i  ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 H, B2 l0 b1 ^! M, E* Y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
* q1 G- @9 T% a$ [% v7 z- f其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 T7 C& Q# ?' j) X6 _
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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) U$ Z& {; E" g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' L8 `1 g2 P% `( b" Y2 ~連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 V1 U6 L  l% H9 _0 X+ [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, D( E' U# u/ F3 U0 c5 t
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 ?* i7 N, C. Z( X. ~1 ?, g
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 Q3 t  F: h% e9 j3 [- @$ z5 t其實係...
5 z6 M( ^) H' b3 L; U$ l3 d) b# C因為以前未生產, 先消費
; y2 G! f& V0 Q. C而家就要多生產, 少消費
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