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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ L: D7 H5 H/ |0 a5 e; YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 ^+ `* u8 H& D& |* pI was so confused.....
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- W) O5 }/ e$ f/ |  ^- G) m講到尾都係賺錢
+ A, t8 A% `8 ?% Z+ t4 c, jso銀行可以不斷放款6 P* z1 z2 O1 j+ Q) a5 \7 ]
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan   M5 R3 v. @- E3 C. v
>conduit
7 a5 D9 }1 t! M" }7 E! M+ }>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 F8 j! G& h/ w$ e* x5 _
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 E, m6 `+ y4 PCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 K8 \, ]# J; N( v) {
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ Z) y# h4 Q+ g2 D. z, D6 i6 C: d
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ h5 M$ Y- S% }( }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; l% V" z9 {' O5 E7 kAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- `! K: l/ |% \# J: [0 I
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 g: ^3 Z+ O' y* |4 p! q6 p8 l0 ?normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& r- t. G! r+ v% r+ S' d" |eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ w! j- ~' A$ P" M4 W, Abanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 i0 I2 ]$ {" ]6 Rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  I: F5 {* s, ]& Q6 aFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' q5 t2 ?) O$ V% t
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 i4 Y2 ^( `* L8 b- m  s/ EThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , E, N0 j! B+ I: |( D3 v% d/ i* T- Q4 _
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# r3 s! G- d& j6 |9 [& H! N

, v9 U2 h8 H' v) B[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& L+ [" n: K% `& p1 e- ]0 lRefer to last example,( e. l3 g% \# V4 S' j0 l
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ Y5 |- d" ^" O8 i+ o  tBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' Z! g6 Q' }+ W  c2 Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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, u0 `: |( q# A# _) ZA->B->C->D->E" c: c- N& Q5 ?4 `9 t
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- f/ i4 r6 v" ^% f6 w" mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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: j9 M5 [0 z4 B$ P& s) Tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ; ]/ {4 P2 q; {1 q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , D& i/ [9 x9 \' O+ D: r$ M7 o) v9 o
it's the problem of the debt itself.% K8 Q' \  M" ?- ~+ S& \1 ^6 Q
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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, S, z2 N+ ]1 S& z7 {0 W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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# r6 N+ }; m; Y4 B0 m! |" c無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...2 [- }7 N1 _# G4 [" d% x; o

! J! k8 r7 ?: h, v; T敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
% z# Y' X1 p9 `# ?9 L; S; p/ B各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic" ^2 R# K! I  r$ q9 r- o

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* n+ n" ?) d* x4 }6 V# S! O當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ ^1 G5 `; G7 J" b' G. ]
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! b! K. S. X3 j7 c3 M
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 E& Y0 t0 d# D/ y; N+ [7 a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; H8 c; {; k( V5 V' x, I計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; j: p3 I) [0 V3 }5 S$ k% D: z8 p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. \0 I/ Y* j' A. ~8 d' W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
# e. o' p; G; ~) T但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
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咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; Y1 b& }" q  u; |所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# [5 q( \. o' U% f% O* [

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但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 A3 e5 i) D9 \  n& N8 u1 b! Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# P- I: y( h* [' l3 `
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 z  |( T  V3 i) |淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , A: \" X' ^: R( n* e; \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, \: d- j. u: J) I1 s: n
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣; j7 v& Q- [7 @9 K, B( U- L4 b6 l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 t# M) g7 E& h0 R- X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ s1 }, N/ g6 N連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! h0 T" a9 d8 Z4 B
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 r7 D! d  v* ]  h
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& G; z8 ^6 Z: P& h1 l咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...$ n  R3 Q% l- ^1 J* d: H' f& c
因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 Z  M( u& {& U- ~而家就要多生產, 少消費
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