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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. ], a* b' g9 R5 \; d
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 O" L% N1 [: l& e- L$ f9 Z# J0 R% QI was so confused.....
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+ \. z/ W1 s3 W$ Q$ F) H講到尾都係賺錢
: F" H& j5 o3 g" `* E, l% Sso銀行可以不斷放款
- s: ?' N# L1 ?/ i5 ~5 q美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 F, k' O6 \! U. l

' X4 \! T% J$ N3 vmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)2 ?4 \  c( J8 Y% e
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 v" u/ R; p2 T. B0 p: |CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 z4 w; O# [8 `0 Tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.% {/ j- ]4 e* x: U+ n
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' a% S; S- L/ I% t8 s2 ]" B8 i
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, E& r/ A2 B% J% }Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, l2 [9 n/ }+ K! D0 Rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( |0 h: [) Q( @+ t* C- t7 S
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % _, J! P& L. o, b5 B6 i! z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 ]$ Z5 n- p) [1 c# U/ n
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 Z) ?( [1 {. c# q
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 N  s) H! L( F3 J% a1 G
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( \+ G% R& S7 X) ^/ E1 R
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% W4 q  [* G/ y6 F2 \: q/ M9 `
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.! q* ^/ f- }& I& L
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % g9 O( @3 B$ L1 c5 l
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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+ p' D  `8 Z( G* h& o& M0 W1 x' l; s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- j0 e5 I& l# R$ C
Refer to last example,
5 h+ |2 Y7 }. z8 b, vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 A" V$ t8 z, Q3 P/ ?* p4 jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 o; K6 c4 P, k! o& J4 F0 f% c
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 z8 G# X) W3 s& _$ Q% `. LA->B->C->D->E5 f1 P) o5 B3 D$ H/ Y/ V% U
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ R8 C  `4 f: W- R6 Eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 @! E# Y" C( _/ P% A/ Iin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( u& t" H! M  u* R7 w4 _: qit's the problem of the debt itself." Q) D0 e3 r( y; |8 g! i
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ e( z* i' H/ m9 e) j  h0 [小弟一直都唔明...
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0 h& r2 X* }" i全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; x4 r4 K. x3 ^  B' E7 W. |  j6 p

8 {9 v9 H/ {$ _( b: w# o1 Q" s4 v無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* R# r  c+ O' B( f/ J1 q# g7 U

& d* }; h- p7 Z+ v6 E3 p敬請各師兄解答- A* [% m. g! q% \" J; ^' p5 t

6 b: v  E4 N# p& i+ OThanks
( m9 P) s4 L9 `% H) g那些根本係 紙上財富  3 K7 V2 Q- z# }$ A3 u  z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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' c( {" f4 b9 y  c/ P5 ?) qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( Y( F/ r' b5 |+ o* Q4 C
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 ^7 _/ L6 A0 j1 e4 g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 H9 X7 L0 J6 B) O, q; F; T
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
8 [2 S. Y- @5 F/ P$ a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( V" }1 g$ ^  [
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. O' M: U, L0 I3 d前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法* @* J; K) {' m& q" }1 e
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" M+ X2 _: S  Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺  R2 F+ Y+ E% i6 Y4 }6 i  [
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; S, ^' s2 Y+ I: }& L
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 x' c: a  w$ B8 J3 S9 h所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ ?: g$ w3 J4 t1 u, }3 e但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 _4 w0 m4 r5 {4 z/ Z, Z, B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : y% N5 f) Z7 T$ k, H: ]
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" s9 z9 ^: T! @; y- r4 o* b唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ |# s! t4 A1 b) ]1 x9 F/ B$ `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 ]- Z; S3 u% P; j' D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 j& h' f9 b7 |2 m咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣$ f) g. @1 i, w3 a
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 u+ G" H. z. o1 X: U
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; {, r) n, X$ [- x8 o7 V
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
. d+ v" Y! ?# D7 S3 o連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 W0 m& g$ G1 I7 L& \一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產/ ?& Y% w- Z$ ^' ~, Y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, ^- Z  G& v6 I( {咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 o4 {# R5 x2 k  Q1 `3 Q其實係...- k" }& Y! \6 H- r, N9 Z
因為以前未生產, 先消費$ k2 O5 R3 d9 x; ?. p
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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