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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! |; R: E. \" C/ r5 DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
4 y4 @* y) E8 uI was so confused.....
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6 c% v! T8 [* d7 B: K( F) w0 e# H講到尾都係賺錢
0 B2 P0 f' }; N. kso銀行可以不斷放款
! F6 F/ {9 D; u1 A美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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0 M0 `  `8 A  Pmortgage loan
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# j8 o# [3 [5 f9 N& v0 C9 |>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)) D+ g- g1 c) {0 T, D2 w
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 i# l+ O, u4 E4 B/ Z, _
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 ^4 L6 L9 _& H/ F! D% Gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# V& {7 f4 m$ r* R( r) d  B. W3 \main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 z; ]# Z5 q$ o/ y/ n5 I- e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 c& z  @& q1 `' A6 m# B7 S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.7 D) K0 \2 K* F0 J' L3 x. Z/ u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
' K7 q+ k* W  nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 q, ^, F7 `6 f3 N3 R
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' p+ n' J9 Z4 g% k, }. ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., N5 ^5 U2 U* Y) ~

9 T# x# a8 R7 o& B% x- ~im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 u* N' ^4 L8 u# n- g6 Y$ J
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
* S9 I3 E0 b5 k3 S( i& g. o6 lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 F8 u3 J+ \& e; T9 QA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. N5 [$ i- S, j. G4 KThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 g* D8 K  e3 D5 y! k$ j
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 o7 E8 ^4 @& U6 ~4 X* K9 Q[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' t8 o4 h1 l; x4 H4 `; NRefer to last example,
' ]1 w8 f1 `; J9 l6 Dthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# G" l2 U3 d) N$ P# B- oBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ' J, V' C! `5 G: {: `5 M8 a9 ^
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ Q. w. P/ c1 \9 U% ]2 G: MA->B->C->D->E! t! }7 J  ~3 {* B/ j; g2 t3 }5 x/ Q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 q" ^- {9 X) i) h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# j5 X7 G, B* V/ n

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 W9 T# J9 i6 L/ z$ o. ~: Q* m0 Y8 @
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , t# I+ }6 y3 D* [0 a+ n$ v8 \
it's the problem of the debt itself.
2 g; D! {3 g" \. sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 ]. Q0 y2 S1 W/ u2 F0 s小弟一直都唔明...0 U: `/ p2 y6 I1 L

! P. o/ g" u9 t7 b全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) \) g0 z% J; l
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敬請各師兄解答/ @9 F% n9 R. _" Q! A9 |

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那些根本係 紙上財富  & ]' j) |1 A$ T/ i( j, N5 ]4 O3 q
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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  i) h- I! t3 Q1 g8 fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 q) y4 z- M. o- e' @4 B) q& w
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ c# F: b3 n2 [於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ U' J  `3 j* b4 Z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
+ F1 y0 _* \7 E. {  g扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 N6 q" p0 ]5 f2 ~: S- W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 p9 m! \3 c  b5 P2 B- \$ r1 r( @; g前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" Y* M0 a( I* z0 E4 i7 z# X& [
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" m: H; S1 s" I3 H0 ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 K! A7 t& ]9 [. V* Z. P4 ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& A3 k* e$ I7 M咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 R  c% P( J& }* h' `
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , i% @5 T7 U/ }' @7 y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 m6 P9 {9 H" W3 |% i+ Z9 F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& p! f7 A- n) v5 M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
* [: Z; l3 ~# R) O咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# q/ ~# ~8 W* u' u$ S5 G: S7 U8 I0 _" ^
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 c) D% M3 g. Y& c0 I9 F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , O8 V) ]6 l6 z% |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ `' D, R5 v' K咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
7 P& A/ m% \/ f  T( v% A: A3 |) S& m其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 @- R! B9 D, n) s# _; v3 y1 y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) k5 z! T! [0 U3 }) V連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 d: u7 |7 r4 J( g+ Q# A
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產3 M& z0 y7 {7 w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! H5 J4 M/ r& I7 y& B* T' h! F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 E: ]) M8 |8 n' \+ S; Z- W1 U
因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 g$ M* k; L3 A7 n而家就要多生產, 少消費
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