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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( \5 {& k( n$ }) B, y+ d! T+ S
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 P. R- j& s; Q! g+ t: [I was so confused.....
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- Y( S8 y9 T& w9 R% P講到尾都係賺錢
/ Q* g5 ~+ @2 A  [" s" t$ _, \* Fso銀行可以不斷放款' N. L: E$ `2 r  t& o* Q& h
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界* @/ f9 t/ g9 K  u

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 d" T  e3 R4 W- d$ r, o
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)8 z( k, x+ m% t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ ^7 S) ^, o- u. @( p) {; K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& K9 B1 T4 v$ w$ Fmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.5 D# Q9 R4 X' W$ d) Z1 c
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,0 I) Y( G' i! i8 t, m0 t5 D
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& K) j0 H! D. X% L& S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
. f$ T7 V) \3 Msimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 o, X# k$ z  N0 D$ M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
$ ^8 v1 N7 t0 m5 V( u+ Leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
: \8 W9 g" C& Q6 Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 o( w4 Q2 i0 G7 s5 h9 d# @

( N% {6 P) }+ z8 p" A& M' Yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% _3 M; H# R/ a
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 U. l6 u# K0 m9 [- @, Y/ EFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 q. `4 o1 K6 ~1 p3 o8 @3 e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) l) {! P7 ^% ]) A7 G% BThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. . q+ |6 A% ]) U/ y8 \
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 u- ]9 N# L& g0 x% `, j
Refer to last example,
* E3 U; f* i* d  w1 t8 t! I0 Nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 v- s3 O8 T( V7 ~+ v
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
+ A! ~) ?% i5 b& ltherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E) N4 [$ K1 L/ K' a2 |5 c
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
; ^3 O4 ?; q3 n+ I" ?$ s" aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ a& O2 X7 d  k, P) U& ~( c* i2 q+ {in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 O+ B! E: I. Y6 r  Pit's the problem of the debt itself.
# z; s9 c; M1 J$ Cthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 P; t+ @7 i9 [
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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) |! |! a) N9 A" o* `敬請各師兄解答+ {2 O2 V. ]2 }5 F+ T- v

( V$ Q0 c$ O. G/ O' q+ [& RThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
9 @( d5 z% X9 X% u2 k: E) P各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 U! I! l$ b) `8 y
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
& M7 t6 _5 e4 A5 i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ x6 _/ z5 |" }1 M" t* \! X# [- ^於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 D( C+ e5 ], K! @* S
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦  R$ Z0 r5 V3 t. m
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 {1 f  u2 d1 w, e% j  l計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
: J$ [. M  L5 {& N" ^' Q" K前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 I7 M: }; h. V: G
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 i& u3 S9 I& c; d但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 q! V( A' e0 Z) _, U# V
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
# a2 Q, r& x1 X9 f( ?- \咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%. i( U) R  d9 ^# G: Y, P% c
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( i2 Z( z- z+ |% v. |5 `" K

* {2 V( g$ O# \$ E" s9 ~4 o你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & P) `" c) K; A) o, S* W3 ^5 L; Q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 F( f. s8 o! @, t: M' @5 W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 C9 s, ?! L' N, M/ Y8 X! I( _呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ A  }0 r# C; p& M) z/ N$ W& M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ f9 ^* {6 \* v4 c6 l; H/ r/ g唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 o/ Q4 I; ~! S# K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' B' J, y' R: S- ~, [. T( a1 W, [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% w: f2 o9 W8 n* O/ x, E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
# m+ z- v% ?8 {" u其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
' n* ~' X) W4 Q' n分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
4 ^" }' ]) d1 e5 B. ^連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
$ S7 b: m4 q4 E/ K8 y% ~$ a0 K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% D2 [. q3 ^) t2 U2 ?) t編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ C. f3 L; ~$ o$ j: l
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 {2 `; f+ x8 d$ D% U其實係...
6 I: X% c) B' a2 P$ K因為以前未生產, 先消費6 J5 N; [& x+ r0 v8 w0 n
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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