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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 m7 i; y. G2 v0 @5 |; TWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& w. m& s/ g1 ]( b( G
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, [* W' }# K- n# p. |
so銀行可以不斷放款; B  d1 v8 K7 }
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 p3 E% b' P( l" |9 C# ]6 v- u
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mortgage loan
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" a  o+ ~* t9 W/ I4 l0 ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): W6 ?6 `0 Q: S0 }9 O0 `) A
>arranger
6 c9 I/ B) T8 W/ o* d>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.  d( A% @. h* h( J! o! R
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 }0 X- C" E  o2 R" E) j( B
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  B. B" B+ u+ }+ E5 {* U  N- m6 c  Rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 t8 X" w4 C4 U3 |" n1 ~' d
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.: f9 _/ h, c  _: M* H
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 f, T/ O8 T5 ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 d1 S  ?% P5 cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; X* z9 Y5 ?+ seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 @6 `" `3 K6 {% {
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- `! N$ x0 {- ^# {7 Y# h7 ?

& H2 U" ]) u  Q% p, F2 nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* e9 Q' w, o& A: S+ o/ _in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 E  u5 g- ^6 w0 h
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 ~: h% W% W) ~- qA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ O) j5 `9 h4 t/ W" z
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 R' f: Y1 o% _) u8 K( }
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: O1 [; d: u5 k" }! k+ H, x0 }[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 G" k. L6 R; p. ERefer to last example,( G, A# S, y7 e7 I+ M* u. w; B
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 P* l3 C$ K6 `6 z" [$ x
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   ]1 v' J6 S' D5 G8 V$ Y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
$ \& o7 }. }, K1 e. ^& X1 a$ Pso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 s5 b1 v; m- q6 d/ Y! ]
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % R/ U% w$ V& Q8 N; x: H0 v1 R
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- q4 ]0 ]  e9 d3 c+ jit's the problem of the debt itself.& \5 a2 h2 F! O6 p
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?" R) W5 i5 c+ D

' s5 U# u' c) p# c" ^無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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# ]3 {1 }. p* ]1 P% l. w7 o敬請各師兄解答( V& |! A" P1 t7 `% U
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Thanks
* O+ T- I* M1 a4 ]. g. B5 J" G那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ m$ N% V" i) e! w+ b1 G! g各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% W. e( W* o0 P# C6 z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; t4 W& |8 J! u. i7 _- u於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 t5 d+ Z6 A. {0 J+ Q" v個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( Q; t% G2 x0 O; e( M4 V扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ R7 v. T8 l- W0 I& D
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
3 h3 m3 ]) s; Y8 v& Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. R$ C$ Z7 I1 I' g6 Y: m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 d8 b9 Z/ M3 v- d; G1 O% H% N8 N但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 S  l" `0 I; y' J. P, @例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 7 s' e8 L/ a9 O2 m' ^  Y4 H
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ F& l* E$ g% E0 g: F5 t0 p) K
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , R( _( M$ i, h4 w1 \+ P2 N: ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, d+ N$ Z0 s+ d: y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ L! P" M) m) J) Y# |) I; X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 R7 O- U: |( y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 g0 e9 \1 h; m2 }* |4 b
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   ]+ x) b: l; n5 s- Q) l8 ?
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ n. W' \$ r3 v5 ^% P, r* L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
$ b* s; }+ d+ a) ]; s5 @8 g) R* V其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業! N* G, U% l# k( L
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 K1 F% j* W& V* j" K: I2 v

& \8 h* L, ^4 |! a- y, J再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 q! L& W' m* w4 u/ f% y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% ^4 M) ^9 f" Z4 R4 i6 c( j* j! s一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產" ~2 P, w. O) }5 N1 Q
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 ]6 q" R# k  i. q; A: n# L) t0 ~
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
' z# l" \* b# [3 C7 g而家就要多生產, 少消費
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