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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  a/ x: Y" U% c
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 l& S: b8 }& ~
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 ?. G/ d% X4 m; D. `1 ^& S% jso銀行可以不斷放款
2 C. k1 k, L+ M* v美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( N" ^2 S. R" t! _, Kmortgage loan
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& [1 |. A; g- R0 P5 H0 O>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! @0 [2 N$ V  s6 ]5 d) T: ECDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ L: h1 ]" d2 i6 y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
8 {  y, D( H4 \$ L* q9 E$ n- O9 Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
7 N) ]: A! T2 Oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 b7 |6 y' t4 sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." Y8 v% n! w: l4 [# \7 G: x4 S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  B1 }1 _" T( Z. A0 x. G" G( hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
) o6 y, ?5 E1 j; d: Xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * i! \6 g4 k9 A! S$ l+ ]
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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6 L3 a0 W  X$ z% E8 eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 c2 |. w. h8 {, v, Z! T9 Fin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 z+ H" I% h& |, J4 i! r) x& n+ ZFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
# F$ G0 I4 D' l# s" x: hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ g: w5 U7 f# y# b5 F. ^  sThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 0 _5 j  ~( |. p9 t5 S
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 T+ }& j0 q3 B+ q4 j6 K$ t' ~

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" ~5 d' X+ Z8 ?: ]. [# `6 vRefer to last example,
3 c- E# G; B' }) i8 H; ~that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" b0 D( @/ \1 y$ @6 qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 1 O' E; h) w9 W5 D7 V3 i0 G
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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' @' }; ^1 R5 m( [A->B->C->D->E
5 [# o% i! w4 wso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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, E' u; y6 p1 Xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
! _4 w1 l$ |! ]) r* S( [6 `9 Lin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( M6 K. N. h6 p/ ?it's the problem of the debt itself.! z% \6 H; r) \7 D. z7 s+ b0 x
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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) v( l( o/ A: \. _+ o! h; W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?3 T5 S* ]9 U& ~1 s, V2 ^. E
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
) Z, m: ]% P. |: E# i7 x6 m' r那些根本係 紙上財富  2 d, A  h; @6 x- d/ G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* N( I+ a& f) _+ P
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) [8 C  f2 h. C: f- N2 Q- k# {7 W當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 O$ p# i% I. A9 V  I& E+ N& ?/ k於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊( t( Q) y- t1 G$ J, g, j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 V# a; q6 C) v0 C$ c4 c' ^. V: B扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," a, V3 ]& m: n' E' J& \3 d! C9 ?# f
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 K( |8 n) V$ f
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法- E$ o2 E9 q2 w: D; Z$ e
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# F/ z0 X3 t9 Q7 V3 @7 O4 C4 s+ ]
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. r7 |; ]; A, Y* [: o
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " K4 i2 c& W: W0 ~
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
- ^. `+ }9 f5 L4 k8 Q/ N所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 n9 j- C, v0 j1 n- ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 r) ?6 F* ~: ?0 ]: ^/ ~0 w
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; c% o3 r$ t" i- L$ A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 a% P+ k7 C5 Q# b7 p& j$ s: O; \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% P) e" j4 r+ B& i; Z唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 T9 r8 Z4 u, T8 J* E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: T; ]/ r1 l/ x呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
' d  \  f, A3 ~1 w1 Q5 \/ }0 v其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# T+ @( [" N  _  x3 D& P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" G' ?+ M' m" R* Z4 l0 s7 W2 K再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, @' q  B7 b3 m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- x$ M) b/ {1 C; _' I% H$ ?* V一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# A2 Q3 K; j: R3 e7 i7 D0 M( a
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. O- {; p4 K  e: ]3 j' c! y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 W: i7 y" u1 G" S( Q5 \- E; M0 H因為以前未生產, 先消費
! o/ x8 l7 Z9 Y* M& |2 G0 R8 m0 e而家就要多生產, 少消費
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