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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 \- d" k* b) P$ W" F6 JWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???. n7 I: X) d  `1 F* B5 v- G0 R- ~! |
I was so confused.....
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: Q! c0 T9 G8 M7 N' q$ C講到尾都係賺錢
9 o$ p) d9 y1 U/ V. Kso銀行可以不斷放款) d6 ~7 P1 n( Q) m
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 `! x; @, b1 ^. e& B3 q- k

' H" [7 Y1 W) `7 L! x- [+ Imortgage loan 0 g- H! N: @+ l4 T! F1 P/ M
>conduit
+ T- M- V- p7 {. N2 F1 Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# Q% B, }% ~5 ]* u7 @$ y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,, M" G# h; y( d% r% o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) `) j- S# ~. t/ \2 e" s& h
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( U) O3 l8 d  _) M/ Q0 q! D# ~in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 _: O4 ]3 j8 q% [9 [
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: ]2 {$ |$ B0 g3 p0 ~7 X
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# m( u$ m1 }' |; ~7 s, vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + N2 Z* S2 y; n% _
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ C8 e" B! y9 ~- G- kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 }  Y+ [+ l) j8 t$ C+ C/ P+ }( C) E1 h
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 n2 m, u9 _  h2 I/ K. lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% T) p# J2 H* G; p6 y7 P6 WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 R$ O' i( v! X- x4 k' w+ ?4 y$ B
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ `1 U! Y) T/ p; ~  C& ?/ ], S6 ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 `! l3 P( \) a! D  c' L' V% ]but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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! k# u2 b- ]: m9 u9 t[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 ~# ?# E$ n2 d. L9 jRefer to last example,1 u+ {6 M- O3 o' z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ p: M- F' k; x9 ]* s/ ZBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) S. s# y  |* a8 }0 `* v* i
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% E- b. _4 R8 o( M8 g: [so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 v# g7 S# f& m9 b
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 y0 H! I- i) P  X6 l% vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 O+ T3 ?$ [0 P: l7 M. L( \6 Tit's the problem of the debt itself.! A1 ~% r( i: O/ ]" ]$ M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ C2 i! q2 k) E) w
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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9 A) x! r0 b  m8 J( n) S& j4 h敬請各師兄解答
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8 \4 r) S, U& }. m0 vThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
/ b. \4 S* P, P7 z各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 V5 m4 T  o# J, Q2 K& P9 l( v

9 D9 e3 G9 n4 ^; w, I: u% D( fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' S! N/ [: k$ [: i+ V3 r$ Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
0 }1 _: c- Q9 d* z" y  T於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 B) U7 s7 c# B9 ~7 j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦  D1 T. N% l3 i0 f4 k: K$ X1 q
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
5 X; Z6 G& ?' `, q% w/ |計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 Q# X2 j4 W+ w7 S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 H. S3 ~! A* E( z) C
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% C/ {0 e( O# b$ N" E* ~( Z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 p4 b( W( {, e: J& ~, j例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 h" i1 O' F# [  R. [3 _/ ?- q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# n0 w" c- L3 N! d' U+ H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. I( P2 x: e# c4 n* V
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 n9 {  F6 {& \' m7 q; a" }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 @# M: x5 l& M1 J* {( r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- c+ v% t/ g) k% I4 k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% W% f4 D6 |$ s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# L0 }! `& U+ o- W
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 @6 ^" Y6 b- b; d/ ]6 Y1 S
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 ?* y9 B+ x3 k/ W2 s9 H# ]
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 u8 r4 V0 m1 E( i  z" ^2 I9 q- T) g
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
6 d. B  Q/ U( J; z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, }2 U' C& i9 k  N4 |& C
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," B8 y4 O7 Z3 W* @+ h
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 F2 e+ I* G2 i( U1 k& f/ V
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 Z8 R5 |( j/ Z1 I" p' a% P) e- B
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' W" y' q; Q6 r; l0 P) T
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 O  w1 D* T6 z  g其實係...$ c# A- s+ C' E: c5 P
因為以前未生產, 先消費
  u9 \1 e7 g/ ^* B. \3 N而家就要多生產, 少消費
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