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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: C& }% h& B$ c, w; `
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! X) Q# e) g0 l6 q; Z
I was so confused.....
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2 H$ h/ x$ w6 F: {講到尾都係賺錢7 r6 M) Q  t+ u
so銀行可以不斷放款
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mortgage loan " A2 z* j: M* G, }5 F
>conduit' s5 k: X6 s8 ?2 t) n! s
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) ^  _; t* K) G4 e
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ ~$ z" J1 H8 Cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ v' n, i9 L- X3 O# vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,/ f& y/ H3 p! }+ E; [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" @  ?+ _/ {- T1 iAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- w; i1 ~5 d  Q% A- @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
( q8 p1 v  |" y" V, V/ H$ v6 Bnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
4 f& A% q, C+ p! _$ T9 U/ \eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
: U  F0 `. E* D4 a7 R- p8 Fbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ i4 }  r- s! O. _, U5 j

' P9 A  c* ^, ?4 K( l$ K* O% \im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
3 X2 s4 ~* P& M# z0 Kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 \# }6 i' i! l8 OFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. J3 C- ]. G7 A8 f& Z+ }
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. }+ h- X# D; J7 {: r2 q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 n( \1 j& v  r. e: u; W% u% F& ?
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 n8 G# D4 a/ t

7 ^) r+ p: Y& i% m[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 n: y7 _/ X5 y" r" I9 x9 p
Refer to last example," S. s6 {* g5 B$ v6 r2 N, Y
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & ^. y# T8 n0 s( {+ D- R4 `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 }' S( h$ o6 S+ Mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E* H: _( P, I& X' G3 m, B
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 h5 c9 `) f$ Z. s# q  _4 R
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
" T2 E" u6 z9 u+ f+ D0 P  iit's the problem of the debt itself.
, \/ b/ @5 `7 V1 z8 D. V4 kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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# m5 E( J2 J/ g6 w2 Q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( o* R7 S! b1 d( |1 A" H2 F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 T3 M% n+ a) w- k
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敬請各師兄解答
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/ X6 S2 _/ a: }4 xThanks
7 V  I- s5 z) |3 i8 ]那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 F) E7 _) X+ P4 M# u- n" l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 E- w/ t* c+ N" S% e: Z
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 k  M0 A; q* Y" k! G於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* Y8 p: A+ c( ]; |個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 _# |& Y! b7 d
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! @* M& B" ]2 O
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 \$ z% N  j5 a. c( ^+ C前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法  ?6 k+ T5 U1 j/ H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
2 n' U' S4 \3 q但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺  W, j2 @0 A/ F' r+ l
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: v9 R6 o' e! k. \咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
: g) z1 W9 m1 Z3 y; ~8 `所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. a0 m! }/ X! A! E! U
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# l+ J0 _1 u; d1 s- s% t8 t但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 z) Q; \1 {. z4 n; `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 R' N1 @. Q# ~1 d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 [' h3 G1 A- Z; ?$ W6 p8 z! L唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
+ @* i; v: s  ?# P其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 K/ Y7 X6 P( H* Y分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 f5 }$ j" }5 `$ j8 {
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  ?8 U& d& m. |- S  m! }2 U一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ o6 `4 L0 _! }編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% O) C  j4 h& [3 b
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
8 F/ ~2 F9 Y- M9 ~2 ?& s因為以前未生產, 先消費1 ^, [+ o! L, d; B( r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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