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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' Y9 ]5 b. B; u% S) I, J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! ?4 A6 |" O2 |8 w  P# X  p8 ~0 l
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢- B/ g2 {1 p+ J/ _
so銀行可以不斷放款8 k" M, w% r, o% r- k1 u# I- t9 U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界  l# Q$ \) A( e! ]) p
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mortgage loan $ D+ ~5 c! t; S8 K2 x8 a$ O
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>arranger
. s' D. ]2 Q7 y: K6 F. R* H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.2 Q4 t2 O0 x% o8 ~
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* V  q6 t, L' x/ p' h# Z
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 Y5 g8 P; L) s1 R- I% i9 r
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 M% u. `, T6 Q7 j& x
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.  H* j- G% G/ j3 n  i' L& w- W; A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* K9 d! w. u% k4 Vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* ?! C7 \  y7 {, nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
/ ^  H4 r5 p2 [0 T, eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. + `; c6 S; x# ^; \# M
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ I9 e9 m/ z7 F" Q& c7 T1 x; P3 }; Aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 R5 K) n+ {6 }3 u  Q
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: Z% b% N9 a* o6 Z5 ?! B6 w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 u, n; v/ y: F7 m6 ?3 Y% g4 N8 l
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 s& ^3 U! y2 R; B) y6 z
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 q& j+ b4 }6 c8 a4 _/ p
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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) r$ h$ ^) t/ ]  w$ Y8 ?, I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  S' `9 l" F1 ?3 c4 H) H! o! ]Refer to last example,) I+ X( q: W. S7 S
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 @: s5 c8 ^1 A9 K3 U. F
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 v! Z) D7 l3 ~" t5 s1 j( F
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
$ M1 I  Z/ ?! A# c) Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 }7 |# {6 p! q7 `
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 N1 }+ m4 h5 e; k( F& q6 din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
. Q4 ?) u+ K) ]  F% H, |it's the problem of the debt itself.
! w# i; B0 W  {0 Y1 X2 j3 |$ |; T: tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 I/ x+ N% o9 u. K6 n9 X3 }小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 z; {/ i: |' v/ s& E, M; Q* l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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, Z6 D. `2 o- |! Y3 V9 f, q那些根本係 紙上財富  : A. [+ G1 o- z0 i! o
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 L- i# z# B/ p
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) ?1 U0 |) l6 B& U當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ Y9 k) [3 x6 _" ^, X( `, k& f
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 L/ b7 r0 L) L3 |% Z% }個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 u! U+ z6 k. |. m; ]7 F前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 P4 V; K& S, _; W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得$ x# I% w! D* _2 E7 S: l
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
% Q' Z4 |3 ]+ u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
' F; {7 P: x' z* E咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ B/ m+ M" s' C' P  @所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁: \5 G- A3 Z, t3 O1 D

6 ?% R0 ^% G' X你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" Y# q4 Y! Q8 W8 C, W5 f' B但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 I) E$ D" [8 w9 m; z9 h- M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 s6 v( o- ~2 y, L. L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 G" r& j& Z, v4 h8 k$ o
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   {% K8 Q2 q8 @+ P# V* J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 t( B8 h: E" Q  |) ^' T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 k0 b& f! Z# K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 R- X$ N1 c7 a: T3 U正係咁樣
; j; M/ E' V- ~* D0 w  ~其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. Z+ t% \$ |" o8 h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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  W4 r" A, M$ e( a! B, _. p$ Z1 y' p再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' ~7 f& h7 s' }9 B
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票" O/ f8 z+ c4 R( F/ _6 \# V3 A
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 E% ^( a! F( f& e3 z0 O! A
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" T/ G( o! \; g, ?咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
% C9 U8 n# h% A4 c4 U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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