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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# l4 k6 F8 Z8 o3 X0 `( y0 p
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' ]5 ^7 P" l2 M( m5 [% v! w+ jI was so confused.....
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$ u  B/ n4 M$ @5 a( h講到尾都係賺錢
- P, b- {- O& Qso銀行可以不斷放款1 P  V0 m7 W2 ?3 I7 L! `# H$ L
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan " ]/ W2 ?& g5 L
>conduit5 T$ G$ v5 L! f1 c1 h
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ F4 }- \7 Z9 T/ n" _9 \
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ F, ?& E3 \$ L9 \6 f4 v
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* H! V5 t8 \# I  r
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 ]# o( z- @; q+ j
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,/ A5 _) \, j* l# _
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 f2 H+ j: \. d- ^Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.. A5 G$ }7 u1 l
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 `  I+ A* d! R
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; q' _' R6 c( N2 U, z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; z" b6 }; @( W6 Ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: \8 K5 h1 F$ u0 ]

) w. e6 B& W  I. _im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 B* ~0 \) X" O8 l% q7 x5 sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 `2 D6 ^# s* R% u1 yFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! }: f5 u) c! n8 i) i1 LA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# `6 J! v8 U; X( K" |
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 \# T/ F+ x/ P, `- y$ R2 @) i
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) K: D. b3 S' g- R, O8 R0 O

* k0 L+ r; T$ [" v: k3 B0 d' p# n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. u3 x0 I  o  r! v) t
Refer to last example,
. N3 k: M8 k" lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 a6 s. J. d7 Z4 H! J- y) `- sBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! y- A0 e: p' D* @therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E; z) y5 a# o- S( ~; U& E! N
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
9 Q$ X; |, @4 j* i* Yall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 ?& \$ }5 {! v% M

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: P7 q# v1 `6 t: M8 ?2 b/ sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   D$ [+ S/ x: f. [1 J
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 H* E2 d' y; z3 k6 J! r
it's the problem of the debt itself.
! y0 t$ J% n1 }) xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; t5 P3 y3 i, }8 n. e* h" f小弟一直都唔明...0 p  y' |) J5 c+ \1 r% ?6 f

3 }' N* R6 E  M5 o; f. q& `- J- ]全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?: P. D( [; N; d% b1 h

- q  |$ Z4 }( a6 q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...2 }7 d; I8 s, \, R
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 ~( W7 n# W5 v+ O& {9 U
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, X7 J* B7 x2 n
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 S# K) o* T+ \1 p3 Q7 Q$ k! [" S當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 o; `  f( {3 r) C) N於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 q* w0 {. g/ d: Q! m4 r
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( L& U: K( h% O  P8 z" y- l8 P
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 ^# T9 w+ Z8 b6 e計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- X3 H5 U2 s, Z. R/ s! H* i2 W" t
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
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但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* h' S% j9 m" i6 M4 \: c) z& M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 a* v& b# A2 {; x  J3 z
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%0 O7 l- J2 a) b; T# ~
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁: c( f4 _! q3 Q0 w
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 _5 v) x1 a* b6 s( Y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   D/ w8 i' ?9 u& A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# V$ F8 p" I$ M: T/ f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& Y% k; x5 l, e9 k9 X+ D6 a. T2 T
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 [# n% F! D* s* S" r3 C) y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# T0 ?6 p5 }: f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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  ^; \9 }$ H, G$ ^: }; P. m其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) B! {( n" d: _% ?, C/ q. m
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 ?; N1 l2 E; \# Q6 v+ x

( S+ D. J+ n& t0 l+ a再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; ~8 |$ D8 c7 q( p/ j) l( A' ^( b; w
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ \8 M/ J$ y4 L! U* U一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* }+ ?  |% Y1 p6 _, L- B) G. x8 O編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  O; n7 c' C8 x# q  N% W0 |2 a
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: T7 \" `" o$ k' |因為以前未生產, 先消費% T' `, O$ s1 @! c( [; B" n
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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