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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 _% V2 s, c% K$ z$ b4 T
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ r; ~5 T/ ?8 N) S2 e6 H: k3 p0 f
I was so confused.....
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2 J3 x5 B5 \* T1 X! S講到尾都係賺錢6 G% ?$ q; T2 @! G9 D7 e( }
so銀行可以不斷放款
& D3 B2 ]- B2 s  l6 U美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# x  r' [* U; q1 A, G7 ^0 |4 ~
>arranger+ e0 U; i( l& @5 m" \9 O1 O
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 ?* d3 j# H7 i, R: F; \: V
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 m$ J$ Z5 j  ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ z" ]+ S* c" y& @' ]0 r
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ u# t+ S0 M& S# v- _2 Emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. W% j/ h* F! w  K& P; g: M  W0 e( qin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& ?7 U3 b/ E8 }0 A% LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." D1 Z6 j7 V0 L6 k" r3 s& r7 U8 f) E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' b7 B) i+ X! l  z: l! ?; H
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 h/ i) f' K% |# eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) [4 S- K1 g- l% G
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., D% R+ ?) ]7 L% z, T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% g/ O* F4 L# L! E7 cFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. G) \) L" G# G& q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 K# K2 j4 Y2 [, IThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # d9 x& S0 P- o2 f- o9 d+ o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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3 `% _7 C# B) S3 q  S, H. ^7 m" X% k1 c[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% M0 D1 X) L* b# j3 sRefer to last example,
% m; Q/ S; @) y1 tthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , R# z: b; ^  R/ G+ Y% Y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 i  m/ O; L. w% A+ f7 utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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* p4 U/ \3 N6 Q5 uA->B->C->D->E
; _5 [* R" a( q# o0 d: O: bso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
8 }& k2 F1 X9 ]all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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6 t* Y, _4 z9 Z0 F3 ?& C/ q/ xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , I& g$ A2 R3 x, g6 N
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- m3 v4 Z4 N: o* Oit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 i) T/ M0 V* Kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; B; _6 h3 T) L% ?5 y4 n小弟一直都唔明...
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! C' @4 g3 I3 G( Z" G全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ P: v; X: h7 r* Y. w) K
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敬請各師兄解答1 H$ ]( f# |2 S& N+ K5 `
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Thanks
6 r' W+ f, `8 C, F+ X* O那些根本係 紙上財富  - Y! e, L# i+ I  e7 e
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 o9 `6 z9 I* G# h

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" l0 j% w0 b- s, Z7 Y' v當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 o! m/ l0 Z* W- Z
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( W  k2 C" ~! {個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
) p: a9 T( F$ O- t扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,4 c: [! F# k) S% `5 w7 E
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
% K( ]7 K5 \% ^( Z' W前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法: q' X& j! I+ l0 f9 a8 i2 s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; x, ~4 r  X  b8 v) L
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ B3 S9 ^! V  P- D3 O例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 m4 K5 F# Q0 N
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& y& X  s3 r3 {+ u; j4 J所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. C1 ]% Z" x7 ^# R" e' F
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, " V3 n' _5 b. f4 n8 N
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# G# O- ]! w" F5 n/ ~淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + m1 I: E6 D9 ]1 B: D. \# ^  `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& ?  e: g- u: }# a
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 L) R, x: H* X5 A" b
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* ~2 W& Y5 z5 q# N; F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % u2 C: Y7 q# L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ M4 F6 R% |( V( r1 b
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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3 }: ~+ L" F! J2 h正係咁樣6 r# @; u# m; d) I# w3 z
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. g& e; H7 w* R4 @' N+ g
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 \6 P# B7 \2 F+ h連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票. n8 ]# {9 W* C
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ @$ z; H6 R+ h( P: m& J
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" t* }  @5 ~; C0 @3 d" S' M- C9 {
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: d2 }: V5 D. L3 @- _1 k因為以前未生產, 先消費
* S. Y4 L. P, c* W而家就要多生產, 少消費
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