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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) U5 I) H0 @( M! Z1 q" q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???/ _) u) C6 ?3 D, J1 e% c
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
. F7 p' \3 P! F' f  T! l, y7 V: |so銀行可以不斷放款$ y0 e8 T* H8 W* \* j/ k& c
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 ~2 M2 }5 |' `+ t. J

5 a! c. C: I8 nmortgage loan
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4 }6 Y2 ~; |6 C+ `" g) Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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  S! {3 _, v7 [/ o>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.% g; F5 {4 p4 O( w( S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 w* w$ L8 U% Y, i% b) ]
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 V/ W/ Q' h) n5 Gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
' H9 V2 x  P! x2 kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% c. c- D1 h& {" `; V8 x) iAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., s$ i$ R! i4 k0 n) Y) K/ [
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) P9 {9 i) a9 C% }$ w* X9 K
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 u8 L( S3 I- y! _1 \0 l
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % Y3 y2 N' B& ?3 l; p1 `( T0 L" ?7 ^" [
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" V; b. g, d; O& N$ }6 c8 I. Mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 T' `2 |2 j$ R: V2 J, }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 z2 j  Y, D" p1 _2 b( oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," X8 U- f# r+ A/ y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% L% e! V+ h! w. Q* o
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 Z. J( J; H: U
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 ~& A! C9 X% y" d0 a& IRefer to last example,( H* x' f( V' Z$ d: C+ v
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , z4 k8 ?: L0 V" H9 Q% d  O; |
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 }# I& ~! b; W# T
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ z( x) E  Y: P6 a8 dA->B->C->D->E
9 G1 i4 O2 b3 G: tso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
, Z" _6 R3 P' z6 q+ }9 b7 i4 E; _" Rall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & u& u) s! \' \6 J( W$ G7 I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
# \; w/ \7 ^- [+ v2 A6 }8 `7 nit's the problem of the debt itself.; |7 k; V5 p. p7 a2 M$ e, c
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# w7 {9 D  s9 T# U: U# I- Q4 \小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 X, z5 i+ x1 c0 X. C7 W. j
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
2 G4 a# T# g7 c那些根本係 紙上財富  
0 b6 Q, _2 n' G2 W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! b% i7 O  V; o4 [* r: P

6 Z2 O2 X) F% i% F7 a8 f3 nhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" Z; j: Q1 D7 U" n當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
  \, D( ?( C2 z/ R於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 m8 _* M0 p0 b5 n5 S
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ m3 {  A8 K" a1 }$ {; ?
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! Y* T$ W8 D( b; A
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
3 M5 T$ w# H0 J+ s前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! x  s$ g7 Q8 r( i5 S5 O
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 K! f* F' q, P" X, z但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ ~9 u1 z2 a5 x! P2 j$ \8 ^
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & j9 ]& g7 }8 [- K# O6 S7 m2 E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# ]( s2 L  C' p5 R  O8 I1 t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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0 }) T, @% h# t- R你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) N( x0 }( q" V! B但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 t3 {, {8 v: c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* H7 N* K! ]9 I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( b% v. ^5 n5 R2 d2 |$ {
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' d9 X* A0 p" d" ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, m' k1 o+ G+ V呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣$ V( P. ^4 D0 b, E+ ~7 s* y
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," }6 Y* i7 _( J* b2 J
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
3 ]* J8 [, o4 w  G* ]* |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, E% {4 L! T: r  n5 ?/ R3 D編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 D- R) j/ }, v  X; R6 _咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 u2 H7 A( |6 R5 h# J其實係...
* q$ |  `, f$ s* y& |8 o; e* [因為以前未生產, 先消費8 G+ u1 E! x7 L  x; U. J
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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