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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( T3 u( q, {8 z* zWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& a4 v- D9 I- d- x& {% mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
5 _6 S4 F5 S) v$ `so銀行可以不斷放款! I* M5 ^- n) o. C& n1 C) o
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; p  d) I1 D$ C% e7 B. e6 g

  Z: k7 T( k% ?# omortgage loan ' ]+ n7 B8 R) q2 R# I' d$ v
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)8 w  N% l) b6 ?, w- q- V
>arranger
5 n& r0 W6 x. X% a>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ [3 K/ [2 j7 D( Z6 U0 Z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' F# s0 N* _. T8 i. O9 v. V" rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 q' C: K4 E; U! U* Emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 V# H) D6 O7 n) ~7 Lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; i, K$ i  y, n8 u' O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ u- e1 z5 g2 r3 {; N8 S% sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., a# V/ h1 x' ?2 G
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,# _% D) k2 n+ F+ [
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 h1 b# w" ]- c+ z* t1 y# Ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 I: _, b6 C1 a* N; A0 j
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) M' d5 c9 {! X  v- n( j' f7 l8 }% O

  g/ h1 W) i! @' D3 B2 }im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: K; w! B; d8 j( v* m/ M5 {3 \! c! din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: a/ E+ j3 X# zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ t) e+ }$ k1 u9 E
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
4 }! L) `. K- d* U# v* qThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
: V) u' z( k5 h2 m: ?7 t( D: Jbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 R& H* C8 T+ c% K4 Y4 W
Refer to last example,
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Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
) n8 j0 z  l  P" F! mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E: |5 H# q$ h$ ]* ~% h1 J
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: X6 s8 z( O! ~. X; ~" eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: x- [. _; Y+ ]

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0 [' N$ `9 e  B0 q9 O6 tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : ^, T+ O8 z6 K1 Y& W
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! a1 ^9 e* s% N" J5 ?0 a* ?0 C
it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ y9 S) Z6 ?8 ]3 H0 U0 }9 E6 O6 hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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! \" r2 O) Q5 s& P! b% i全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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  r0 X; ?3 U  Q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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# e9 }/ ^; D. b6 q. q9 D6 S* i- J敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
& Y* V( W* M* `! \# g) [  }那些根本係 紙上財富  
! ]1 k% O6 _$ _0 U# \  {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. Q# L4 r& N& B2 R
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高" b1 A0 p. l; w. Q, v- {( g6 F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; e) N# x+ o" S, P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( _( E. i: c6 Q4 J1 h
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; y9 w7 U# `! }1 o0 p  U/ y
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
( Q5 L5 U. l% R1 o4 F前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法  J4 P7 |& v5 c1 f& ]2 K8 o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 G0 K/ ~$ P" ?* p5 P; x7 Q( W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 \! ~1 L& [; X! s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / g7 T) @3 }0 r4 \7 ^' O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) B( m  F. c3 E4 K1 u7 O- W
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# z7 D9 F0 }% c( V0 }+ ?

6 N; C, A2 R4 v6 O& V  L你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + j& ~; ^: y: `2 z: Z5 U  ?  \
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 U4 F5 C6 D/ u) I' Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' J3 \  ^3 O! L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 r. R0 o# h6 k咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 N1 d* O! C* B
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 m& q7 }7 m! Z) b1 [
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 y- @- Z2 M$ B7 [% l5 d8 E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 u* W+ M% g9 A1 S% ]0 A" M( M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣+ E7 j1 G. ]5 L0 F
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- Q; C  J( {. x1 ~# @, c# E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ k3 ^6 q+ u) S

% I2 D3 E& H. H再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 Y! m5 w: J8 U7 L) \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- l% ?! o) j& W) M: g/ @: q; V" P+ ?5 O一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# b5 S, h! i1 J+ b4 t+ }
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ U2 A( r9 N/ d/ p0 b" t# `
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... H1 C) Y& s0 a5 K8 Z+ t) I1 e
因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 [$ c+ i2 K; |2 q2 s; B5 q而家就要多生產, 少消費
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