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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 w. y3 R' V( F$ \5 v% j# {Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 o2 c6 W" {/ ~; B) C" {  ^I was so confused.....
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7 I$ T* T2 o1 g- x* S0 N講到尾都係賺錢
8 {1 ^) `  {: C0 rso銀行可以不斷放款; o6 b& e2 a2 U$ v, Q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界* i) ~$ S/ U# W- p" W
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mortgage loan 1 w+ h- a$ s2 ~2 L  @" K
>conduit
$ g1 V! c7 _# Q/ F" b3 R0 B% `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)9 W) F, p# F9 v: ]
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
% n/ {' u& e  C* }1 uCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& r  |6 [# {4 c( r- \$ K+ G: v7 t
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) C. T% M1 L7 ~# _2 u6 B9 c1 ?" @8 ^
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' V) n  @, Z. ~- I* m) e3 U. i) n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( G$ e2 d: K* z5 H! R. P* j
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( V" B1 l0 _2 ?1 [) msimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) L/ n1 z. |+ x  i) z2 i
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
0 ^2 o: ^( W- Qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ W! X) M& D) c9 w) l( k. _banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.. _! ^2 S4 R. O( D+ d

, s0 R. q0 ?$ xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# c, o7 X* m# W; a: A% D' sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. n$ D0 Q6 m: [( J  \/ A
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,1 {, V2 i, W* I3 R+ v: u& A* ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
4 l; _- C: B* o9 s$ DThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.   G  R& G5 }: h! `# T% M8 N
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly./ [" [/ g$ x( h9 k* e

1 D; i7 q5 [1 b+ A1 O7 }) R[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: g# x! g! A% V6 W' i" h1 O. NRefer to last example,
. v& ?8 x- @8 {. I( Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 O) C% I# f$ {6 i; R
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 o9 D4 ]" G8 f/ y( G! K" Stherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E, p0 M& j$ `; P8 _0 [1 }1 v6 P
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, * I7 }6 D1 F  s+ g. N. b
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?; b4 L& r' c" ]( j9 b/ |; a3 \
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 W: T" k% I' ?. I+ Y' A/ N6 lin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
/ _6 C% X8 Z9 ~& [- c  ]8 r/ j. c# Z! Ait's the problem of the debt itself.. N( I% k! k( `7 v% d  f3 W; K. L
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( s7 u+ E2 F7 Y  j, y小弟一直都唔明...- N, M# l' B, C* C1 V' b0 p
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 m+ J! `9 f. ]. [% @; n* U4 j

2 @  w; Z+ ~3 t7 h5 X6 ]; U敬請各師兄解答
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5 E, e2 B. R+ `$ YThanks
1 u, k4 A$ _- o  N那些根本係 紙上財富  7 ^% H- r% a6 u' k
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. Z* g8 u. Q5 j- d" |$ khttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) a+ x  c% _, Y- _
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, v4 F9 _! ~: B1 Q' U  D2 d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
- n/ j: w; w( U# I8 k( `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ s  c& }7 Y7 L8 ]( a/ j3 O
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 b  W* V. j7 j' F8 |' b# R計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
3 P0 B2 ~/ z7 ~: }5 V9 W9 R* m前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 ^9 d9 G/ \$ H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 \& I6 u/ l9 X4 M6 `
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 a! ]8 H4 D2 m: p' l5 u4 e8 r
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  V$ z/ y0 I: `& y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%( \5 G" M0 h2 O# X1 _" G
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
7 s0 E# |- m# r$ m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! j4 l- F' {. b3 n8 K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; r% f. U& E1 O3 c  t0 F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 f; Q+ \* }' S4 g. w
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   |8 z- N: m7 b" N6 ]) G0 n
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : Z/ Z7 ~' Z# @1 t0 i/ Z) E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣- D1 o* Q7 e) A- |, L1 ?
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 _+ I* l# q' O+ B' d4 o2 O
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,& Y1 a0 z  _5 V0 h' P2 l  b7 F
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. {) O' S+ q; @; C, w8 d3 h2 Y" c4 n一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ M- r$ R* z) K編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& q- }- z8 s/ `3 z( L# I
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' A2 ~0 C! C1 {+ {其實係...
% y" a9 O9 a7 d( J因為以前未生產, 先消費& H5 ]6 L) L! A: _- O4 R. @1 ^
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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