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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) B) z5 D2 O3 p2 l
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ {) Y9 j3 `: z' e! G. D  pI was so confused.....
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+ Y8 M( E& N5 i. j講到尾都係賺錢
' L; c% y0 L7 F& w1 N" ?% H9 rso銀行可以不斷放款
* Q  H" N2 M. D+ Y2 @0 d" D5 ?0 D& I美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- u* B; `7 N# k7 ^2 \
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mortgage loan
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9 L$ X4 d1 J0 e6 _" `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 s2 g, ^( ]' X' Z3 _  h0 w) Y4 m. Y
>arranger
0 U" O1 }7 `; ]- e- F2 z5 M& P9 n) r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)! m, H7 Y( u' y) h) b) q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 d5 B1 }, ~- s  e% NCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
" T+ \, @& O* m! a7 bmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. n# \' @; x3 Hmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ o9 ]* r. y  {# j( ]in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& r8 _5 f/ p2 ?/ `& m' l0 J
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 r8 [' S0 ^, |) P& [similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 N, E9 R% S3 S- c& K; P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% o/ l  X7 I1 [8 Veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & I( J5 m: |4 s' r  G* K! Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.$ N# D( s" ~7 m2 A6 n

6 |3 |# V8 E. o2 Qim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 j  p* S0 V! R+ D6 min stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 z! u" q+ a" d# i; u
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ a) H# @, l; ^  q( [A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* r# j3 T5 G7 g7 YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ r8 I+ t/ ^. r
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 T- |: c$ v" g6 k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 A8 C/ X7 A: X, E! ORefer to last example,
  ^+ C9 y* L9 l4 }: I( A' }% athat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; W) Q0 i0 y# V4 j; E# C, G9 ^
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + g1 i9 i0 B* ~$ g  I; b/ O
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ L7 {( q, n# vA->B->C->D->E  u* K  ?! ]0 P5 z) s7 Z' j
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
) p7 R: [% n) C( e- h, {all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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& f6 ]# Q! M" q- Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
3 F, ~( d, r- Kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 @# _" a+ G2 s6 T8 |
it's the problem of the debt itself.$ p+ n; C' V) o: d7 d5 i( D$ j/ j
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( _; U8 z; q( Y" o. T2 q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 F, A  m2 ^3 Y( c* E

) P7 ^% K& D# l  `: e0 j, ?( H) J敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * b& e! b& @$ A9 l( y9 z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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# r7 g7 I5 N' S) X  A/ Ehttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  w% G4 n9 ^" j* x" C3 ?( Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 I+ V6 S# @/ d" W8 g# t& m) S4 M於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: C* D" x; r' Q: B個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
. v5 ]" s, ]5 d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
# k7 l: L1 k: C  Z4 D計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ _; p  s) @) j+ Y* {& n- G3 B
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 G+ A. ], }0 b, s+ u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" Z% @# X3 H6 Y3 S) M! `
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺( A4 v( C4 t/ Y. @1 C
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) {7 h  ]" O* W+ r7 ]; e: A
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- \: p9 ~3 F% `1 l
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( z/ L$ c; ^; X7 j: y4 d' X! L* }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 V7 r. d9 v/ K# _, j( ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / g+ n1 m$ X: r" U' `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* S5 L+ ^. A+ _3 ]
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: i/ T0 q# v8 S2 R5 O8 i
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 x& J3 u% E* I! B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 P9 [" _0 h& x4 O/ Z# U呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 O9 H) {  P9 _. m咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
" @) G( K8 H+ ], A: @# x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ d# y! v) P1 E# M. E  Y8 H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( ?6 F3 Z8 y  ~+ q7 U! a

/ }) Q1 U" T; i2 a0 @2 e8 Q/ P再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 y# ?. F: ]$ B* j% n0 Z" c2 `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ N/ g- i3 z! }7 g8 \3 f8 \* X7 g
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產: [0 |% N6 ]5 ?% J) {% u& ^
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 W, @* ?8 N9 i3 o
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 E+ O; x6 R8 M0 b" g其實係..." p% q. }, A( N; P9 ]
因為以前未生產, 先消費
& C3 m) z  ^; R8 [+ h' x* ]  E- D而家就要多生產, 少消費
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