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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( m4 P) n4 \& D& s# |6 Y# {Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& n4 z" ^- r6 ^5 |' n
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢+ x4 v5 Q% o/ I
so銀行可以不斷放款8 C8 |4 I2 u& l% A1 f, ~  o  c
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 ~, [1 d+ r3 {* a6 g( jmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)  ?+ E7 n+ W' v! L! \& R  p
>arranger
, x0 s5 z( L& B) V! Y, I>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  ^7 B. [  f0 u9 G: j6 Z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. U  j1 Q: O, N1 FCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 F, l; G6 }; g7 H! J& Smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
* m* ^9 a* j$ {4 o5 Gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( U3 Y2 @+ x. O5 ^1 b5 o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 E' }# {" W' l7 P( A, I
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency./ D. c, }- t: C- |, c
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  R  J, m3 H! Qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , N2 @: e. l7 w9 v# g* C' p
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 w8 a) B$ G; [  qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 z4 F0 O1 r8 s5 {& {5 Cin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 U) u1 W, p$ _/ l& o' m
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 c' q  p$ u7 N  X7 E" n
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ x. V6 r; A# h* \8 T2 ^; H
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ o; E4 g" G) r
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: a7 ~6 ~: a% _4 I5 DRefer to last example,
4 T8 E; f4 P0 C! w# d' ^, Zthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" C/ j  y) Y7 O$ m$ s2 S6 }Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . L% N; H4 E; M1 Q. M
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E  R4 m* t, {) a9 z" a' S4 M
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 N5 [/ o! O" o  L) \. g3 B: b
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# ]- F, m8 p- C; W

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0 K! M6 `9 f& N! |& m: O  s9 zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ C, h9 C  u! N/ v% a7 o' }0 Uin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% [! u6 K& \3 l& `: N. Eit's the problem of the debt itself.. S* X5 _# `, ]  d
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 J3 I. R8 ?5 m! B/ x1 m+ B
小弟一直都唔明..., e% C$ w5 v3 e

" m1 l5 G1 D8 `1 M全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; Z" |# K6 S4 }+ E6 M) a0 |) s* z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...4 |. P4 F1 r" [" a% \) y1 Z6 `

% {% T5 U; C  h5 }敬請各師兄解答
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' b2 I3 h) R! `( N5 H" x那些根本係 紙上財富  0 A' ?$ M0 ~  K# O$ v/ s
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic  b" l# y5 N2 [  s3 P5 O) g8 c" O

/ a$ h2 e0 V# n- i7 q; Nhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 W) q! n& W+ V7 N2 }當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ S- P8 y  z# c3 F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) r3 K% I% F6 Y& p" g% \+ W個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* f5 l% Z/ U+ v
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( E! {7 w, Z2 w. R# p3 ~
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 M; b" o& M8 ^: o( e前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 B  R2 }: F/ v) A% B同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 u. E! A3 i! Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ ~% i% F3 x- p6 U
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' X4 j; L6 w) p+ M8 s/ R$ u
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& ~/ Q( K  T/ X3 E8 `所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( d7 K" e3 C* v0 D
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 V% `5 \3 U. N4 S! O3 y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # A' c9 z( [! a/ U
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) z4 b+ S6 b; Q7 F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 z6 {! f% {& y  j: ^咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 V% i7 }- ]! _- H
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ r. {; E# G' @. m& ]7 d5 @淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' `5 v/ v* W! `3 Z, C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) R0 Q' O0 N; i9 W
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; `7 L+ |3 c5 C6 |/ @+ E; b2 w正係咁樣, ]" P! C0 q1 H# i. p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( g7 R/ ?6 x% T7 C0 ~3 s/ V6 R連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- r( M8 s% i% ~6 c  Y9 w( \
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 Z. m) b) p4 |+ s編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; @* ~! h+ @+ V7 b( _咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 d  [) v8 k1 J
因為以前未生產, 先消費* [- p( o- Z3 o2 n# s2 i+ {
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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