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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- b; ^- _6 K5 A1 i: |
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" ?4 t0 U8 @; J; f% o
I was so confused.....
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" d' \; p9 r) [3 `( y講到尾都係賺錢
' G8 q; n7 i1 Q6 {* P* Kso銀行可以不斷放款6 Q$ y4 W% c5 V# h1 J. l6 q8 R
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. g/ X. V+ O6 Hmortgage loan 3 F9 i( H) @; c3 \
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! h% P; Q  h( l: i5 C
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 E0 b' k: z6 MCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: ^' K0 o7 \3 Q7 ^/ S' Q2 [more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" u8 s; r/ h  N5 L: n& B+ Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
+ v6 e$ C7 ~9 Z$ ?1 s0 X# L* U  tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.) \7 Q% ~3 ]) u& Y6 H6 d
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 }) V; a" ]' q' E$ p: Lsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 V4 h2 p  x% ~3 rnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# G/ ]0 \- J3 P( u: `eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 n; U; a+ g, [* nbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# y: P% l5 g: z' k9 i6 D: W# }2 xin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. A3 ^: b' a- ?; Z) @5 [/ r
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' |) S; x, V: N4 h. z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 ?( R: Z% y% g9 C; G" mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 N  }  ]# u8 Q+ h7 B2 \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# W; a" }) O2 Q, w9 p2 N5 [* V
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- ~- U$ l: H6 l2 d1 Y) k2 @, \: dRefer to last example,
7 w1 D; y% R# j: K+ vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - m5 M9 z; @2 r! ?: A! I8 z6 @. U
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
) w& p7 F- I* q" {# I6 \' Rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 c. d! ?! c, L8 fA->B->C->D->E
( {9 U5 j6 H9 t# M0 O- k0 z) {so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 l& S. ~) o  L( M; T& D* `8 t/ Oall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?% X  Q% @4 A$ |! ~

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$ a1 V. T4 Z/ ^- R/ e3 i+ v6 hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' {3 d: r2 B- ]3 u/ uin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 i4 F" H; U4 v: D) zit's the problem of the debt itself.) j* c3 }  j) y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! g- e& n4 {7 p; x
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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* R2 G+ M, E. u+ J無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& T4 N# L0 w. M
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
- c! Y7 |- J1 c/ A各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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+ N5 {% ^. w8 H" E0 r- Qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 z4 ^# H* o1 B. u- j; D2 `* q1 p當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
0 C# p$ }1 r  N: t; F2 P於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
9 q& T; e( R# K. H! c0 p1 n個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 Y% Z1 u4 s9 X" @2 f9 X  t; a- g8 X% @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' w7 h$ ^/ e1 h/ d  X
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 q9 a7 O8 ]" w; _7 M9 p! N. X前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 z5 M* `8 ~. }( ?( }" q7 `& s# f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. ?8 B9 w8 y% y/ Z0 |5 m- F
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 V+ T4 z6 x1 l5 E2 u* q例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; n/ Q& _( W% t# \咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%  [+ D; F- W  e" L, t
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 {6 q. |( d) O0 m, W7 m. K3 d
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 {3 F" \$ d" \6 ^& z' u
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 k3 e  x; S( M$ Y3 |: r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; q, U0 I8 L+ \+ C& G% ^% }7 S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' _" U% M$ c4 E% S8 U. R$ ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ |& F5 |4 n' c$ R# }) ~唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + s  R  c. y# |) h" o2 J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣/ p7 H  x. L2 z3 x. x
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 d) |: Y# ]6 v, S4 M' S. {4 S7 W
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
5 w' T3 p1 L4 H: J連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& Z; [" p# J* b一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. X1 c. z5 u% [" |
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ W/ S" A; J+ s/ H& A. n4 d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
2 j6 U" N' i( C- l, g, B# o5 t因為以前未生產, 先消費
# o3 `( V% k3 @! x/ E& r# g# J而家就要多生產, 少消費
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