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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. L3 q/ j9 r( G, i- k! ^  b$ pWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& J( W+ P( f! q& S/ O, jI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
+ A, Q. J8 L# e9 A5 o- Lso銀行可以不斷放款% p* y$ q. n. ]7 g1 @2 X2 i
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界+ Z$ Q( s* i( z7 H
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mortgage loan
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+ b) z  j8 p" h9 R; N>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 @) J' `5 i9 X5 Q: V5 K4 u
>arranger
6 X! L5 k. Y- T$ A( ]>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
/ |% N1 h. Q* M) b# m最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return./ Z. s/ Z; X) Y' b
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,# u4 z$ i& S3 `% L9 x! Z
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 C, a0 b+ D7 j3 y" B0 w/ k2 v
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. E1 z8 `; m0 d, G, T/ ^0 g$ V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ m6 [: i$ u# f5 I; ]Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 C; h/ \' g$ T/ U' [$ Hsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ n" r9 u( I: U" p+ P/ ~
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 W6 \% H" U% S' b& b# i1 b* ?7 h
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 J+ x- D+ A) h. C1 w' P- B# xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
" L/ A0 I4 l5 D* X' Yin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 X5 L  E" o- \& Z& E7 ^For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 t; `9 U" ], L, s, G
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* C: i% w5 R- h7 O0 v1 _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 V1 L/ K+ l: V& m& h! h/ Wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 E3 l3 z- a  D/ ^
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 `6 |5 a+ n. r& b; ]Refer to last example,
' w" e$ m/ Y' \! q# q3 Ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 m4 a2 `2 @% b2 d' ]9 i; P
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 A& e& a3 C5 w9 c& l/ Q  Y" Rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
* x2 I8 k' O4 {so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
6 I% e8 h9 l4 a9 p( Sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 S$ K* X8 f* W" s: a9 sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ) S& ^3 s/ [# ?& x* o1 x0 G, r0 p
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ N9 ]0 V- X' C! Y. Athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* \$ v# g) @8 y& k8 n' K9 v
小弟一直都唔明...
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( k; E! @- s, J5 V全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?! l9 A8 H8 n2 `9 y: n
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& t4 Y. R4 M' P9 h' |  A

0 H5 m# j9 B8 ^& H- f敬請各師兄解答' p+ n8 X8 b5 W1 c9 ~$ S# ~' ^
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ( o. y7 ^' q7 E& _2 g3 |
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, @- u: w& ^! ?+ E) e% R
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  Z# \4 f" Q$ d* w% R- O
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 \# |4 \3 [! Q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
% Q. P( T6 v+ C+ F個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
. n9 I/ A8 f0 ~$ @9 E9 {扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
  a; C* M+ a* G3 u4 p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  t8 {: U# E: R3 P, Y- L3 ^' {
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& Y6 h' i: I6 W5 D9 Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
+ Y3 T0 S$ R% V9 G: m2 n* V& V- \* ]但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( Y: H' W& S9 c9 e例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) {$ m$ x1 ?  D+ a6 ~咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! X8 T$ ?6 X$ n; r- C6 K$ J9 G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) n2 v. t; k& Z) e. r. i' D
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - t6 {  S  k+ s+ R" s0 a0 [! ^
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' {, w( ^8 C" ?. v9 `$ G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; O0 W0 x# I* f/ m" z唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 T1 E) {/ ~% b+ K. }淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 a, m, ^5 O, J* l; \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣" q2 b/ E+ @" r% B5 H: b
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業$ O! e( V2 S5 I1 O9 m
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢5 J, Y) J  W( J  Z7 }. z

  I5 K; k+ ^( j. N+ a; D. y3 m" ^再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 R. Z5 w2 E. s8 C7 P連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  q$ V5 L& D, n一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 X+ ~% |& Z  p$ v0 [9 u編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. J( C( u9 j% i  ?
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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" V6 u- _0 X, \9 T, q其實係...1 O& U& @3 s: ]6 y1 U* I& x) w
因為以前未生產, 先消費) P. H# }' U  S' Q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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