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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' A& T7 W1 h& r
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# P- @3 c3 R6 e; ^- uI was so confused.....
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9 {% w" Z2 b+ ^/ m講到尾都係賺錢
5 d0 T* v) X! X/ c" Jso銀行可以不斷放款. k8 T7 Y* O' e4 }+ L5 W: a8 `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( V% f# o  z: `1 D

* W, ^: c, k7 b0 s6 mmortgage loan ' \( X) `) A: \
>conduit
, I. x, X! @8 Z" H0 }( G) {. w. m>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# j! _# ~* V2 h
>arranger
) o- \( q- o. Q6 Y# x* Q. H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' E: h7 i8 [& Y/ t( k  h2 D7 HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 T# x/ |( a5 dmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' z( i6 O8 p7 J4 d
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* L$ m' R/ H2 q8 }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 d1 T. x' [- f- |& |9 mAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% |, G2 A! S' S1 ?0 l
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 d8 M% p, a& K8 cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 d5 D+ H; b  L5 {7 l" P
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # W$ ?8 G8 U/ ~% t8 D; r8 ^# L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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. B: D# n% @4 S! Xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  X( W+ [2 W5 A  ]! P% Gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 }8 D  a# v! `  H; ^" E5 {
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,& N; X0 ^" t0 K
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ k( K- k8 }' ]" ?0 D* k, `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.   a6 B, a) E! R/ J- {$ |+ B
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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. f+ q( W; G; x2 s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 z6 e6 v6 B% w! D! {, ?
Refer to last example,
7 I7 l& C: J( S4 A( H* Q9 F' [% x8 ]that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
& B4 |6 A4 G8 ^/ f# z% lBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" W. m7 X. y( N/ L( i- vtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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- }) f" H! U8 E7 R1 u1 jA->B->C->D->E
4 s% Z/ t7 t3 u: }+ |% B5 h  O( Z- Cso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 c2 S6 W0 j( b9 `& J8 Jall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , s% X3 a5 V+ c+ N2 f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ y1 v1 d% G% a4 a" w/ C! e8 i" Zit's the problem of the debt itself.# U! D' I' e; C: s! Q
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# n& m0 g& d$ C; I: I% }5 u
小弟一直都唔明...% E& _# }& S% K

/ C& B! ], m- \7 ]4 p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ U2 G- @/ a, j% H5 q8 j5 m% i

7 Z2 Y1 m; H. Z6 B4 k% ]. X敬請各師兄解答7 ?0 H. o, n- z6 j) W! M

  I$ J8 [5 K# }+ ~Thanks
2 _2 K! p4 N! S那些根本係 紙上財富  
. c; |% y+ l, |! o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic5 P2 i* P8 }+ Q& o( a
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ P4 U! ~, m( f" a% I
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 @( W$ ^2 A9 n% p& o於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
- S- L2 M5 F( l, w7 ^個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦6 F" j7 |, R+ x1 C8 l: c+ \  a# K; g
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. s: @. f7 C4 n2 B  g計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 A: b7 D) k: Q$ k* Y7 w3 O
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# Q( e6 s, r% W% z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 t: J/ D& W0 C$ C# S
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
, d6 E: n* L7 e5 ~) a" f5 w例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; v" W% G9 `/ Q! y% P& M% }0 P5 c
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%  I  b4 l, _% D4 g( b
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. w* x0 s* P3 y4 ^( t0 A

$ r2 x5 g. v7 a6 i% e2 ]你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! ?0 K4 M6 z: I! K5 j5 v# v/ \) }7 L# X但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : v! u2 q  c) z6 [7 q! V- c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   p& m" v7 b+ m* g% v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  Q/ S' S7 C* `! T9 n$ _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 J; ~+ e  j! h# Z) f9 @4 U' V, k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 A) H& d0 U* S+ i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 b2 z" Q. |. m) L5 |; W7 d' Z6 B
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 i' N4 Y% Q* v2 N/ e2 f
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 \2 W6 h6 U$ v, w2 j, L正係咁樣1 _; l( _( L, k. q# t0 ?# l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% u/ Y2 b( K1 w4 \4 u0 ~7 E8 V9 H8 S% z分分鐘佢地唔使還錢+ U8 E7 [# {- l% `8 b
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: Z$ v9 g" C6 l; V' ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 X/ \7 [& T* e3 U2 z
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. _1 E/ O; K6 v& b8 b
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ r6 C) N6 p1 |3 z' ?8 n/ }
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 H: F" l) i* @9 ^0 u其實係...
$ ~+ Y8 ^( Z2 A因為以前未生產, 先消費2 Y3 A4 c+ r1 W5 I; e6 `- n; ~* m1 H
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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