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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, R  ]6 R6 U4 Z+ R  fWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. [3 t8 W  u- ~; WI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 a% E+ E/ Z2 ], Cso銀行可以不斷放款
$ ^* w2 W) @9 J6 n2 `美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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; b4 M0 i4 W6 `# ~8 S! ymortgage loan ( X7 C7 s) p2 F7 p. s6 M
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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# ~9 t9 t8 W3 b4 C  V3 o>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)( ?7 T* z  V- b' s# V2 H4 \8 f) u
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 m6 e; N1 X# Q3 x1 @5 [3 JCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; ^' |& Z1 a) G1 y; J3 f' s+ qmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& h; X$ u6 O9 m
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! x6 ~" w' I$ K* V$ @9 |; ~
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' {1 r" M! z. R3 g4 C1 M
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 a0 b0 [; n5 \* o" h1 m' U
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* `3 b: L# Z5 w/ M0 Z& f( j2 i$ Tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' r0 V  ^2 u  C; g# B# G$ T, Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 H: ~- G3 T' e: l& \9 q* Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
1 ^+ z0 v/ b, e, n2 D6 K! E* tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ Z4 s0 g& @& U9 sFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
5 K, `- F1 {5 H: I0 O' x1 e( N. A8 a4 `7 gA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ m) |  ]* i& z. mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! \. x; }/ V  H+ }
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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  }: c0 K5 r  w( G/ R6 D0 ], h, H[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 _2 B7 u: b/ R  A$ v
Refer to last example,; \* d$ z) O; g$ e- j- m" w3 U
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : [% R+ d4 a2 \3 D" o9 O& v( c
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# Z- J5 K. s# e6 A; Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' o/ r6 k7 v+ l8 M' a5 i& S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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5 x+ o; @! ]( h, Bthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 R6 f9 ]1 ~/ Y8 I0 B$ u
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, : O, N3 a  k( o4 I  N: g
it's the problem of the debt itself.7 j3 w7 j9 [7 }5 ^0 K
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% Z( d4 ?8 K2 O. b無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 C/ ~- W/ ^7 Z5 d9 O, {. a' h. L1 v
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敬請各師兄解答( u! w6 C" Q/ [! Z5 {# h

' }9 U+ }2 l. g0 p6 Q2 EThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  0 P; r, [0 _- f2 E1 y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- T, x% {4 M& r+ Y6 S' ]
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" F& I2 F2 I9 |' L( D7 g% @7 a; M9 r於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
, E5 B% G) N2 ]$ L. Q個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( _! d. P. g5 ?1 o& M9 I
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 G6 p! u8 E( ?/ O  H! z8 r計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 g2 i& ^2 {7 m+ D9 V0 P
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- }% ~# R' d( }2 |1 }3 G% j% F) Q同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 z8 c  k) n2 I% p9 d但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 ^* j/ H/ l, J/ _. k% z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% r9 G' x" f8 a7 ?咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%% ?8 \1 d# b4 p; [
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, W" \* |- H# H3 ~# {但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + Q' w, z; f2 s  x/ ~5 Q: I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * {; T# L3 f( `' A0 ~' _4 @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 G1 m" V) y: Z3 X% m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 W& I& R, b  s+ L唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 P) b  @: H& K5 ]+ v3 a1 a$ i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 `( L- Z$ s& o9 e6 H+ l
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- }1 P& Z6 v, y1 h
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
, e+ F) z2 p% T" Z, u其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 g) I; ]$ m" W5 y# ?
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢5 d6 x! v' k2 c& F6 p4 K% ]! H; W

6 N+ {; ^& O, r8 D) i: N! e再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 N- K# O9 q1 _& j/ B
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 ^3 q! C3 I3 }& j
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" v) I7 [* |, p( C編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) y/ J; H1 o+ ~7 N/ a咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: |# A8 H3 k+ s! V9 G. K因為以前未生產, 先消費* ?' y2 N: h. `# h# R& q0 m* J3 F
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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