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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, C8 T5 Z1 ]2 p; mWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 c$ |1 d  u, J) j2 u7 T6 zI was so confused.....
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* F) m7 F$ z/ @6 b1 s4 H4 h講到尾都係賺錢) ^. H1 |% v% f! f) N) m6 {
so銀行可以不斷放款
/ }- h, G! Z: V9 |* h! a美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan $ ?3 V2 a) @" T1 q9 w5 R1 [$ K/ q6 j1 N
>conduit
$ q5 t' A& O2 T: ]* z( r4 S( c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ y5 h: \3 D2 M: u
>arranger
2 K' g5 }% d+ u' S# \1 @>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
7 ?( z5 Z" e+ z  i1 SCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,  g( T4 x- N; n6 A/ Y* y) m  o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 E: X$ [! c8 B1 Q* l0 K; h' p5 I3 Y* H
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: r1 R- ?( b  Rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* @1 E2 B& \" l% i1 M/ n3 MAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 q# p- M; C9 {
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# g2 {) w3 a8 I' Q! y, r% ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  g- j; D2 R" W! E" r/ Jeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * p- F5 o8 O% p5 K) c7 Y# k7 a
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* U3 U4 G; o9 `$ ~/ Y! uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
5 a1 z1 a: {  D1 M$ [5 H" yFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ R; p, A' r5 D/ `/ a( l
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 k, {3 l. Y' G9 A# ?The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
, U/ h" ^: i- I2 x/ `* Gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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' o7 y( a, P( {[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 i( W: B' C9 ~5 H: \  n
Refer to last example,
- Z8 Y5 r1 s( cthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 \% `! T. H2 v9 }
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( Y1 C, ]" `' C1 u0 v
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E3 d* w% d5 u; W
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, % _: E$ X, d& e3 i
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ t2 w, v0 b5 V- N% z: `: ?

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - o4 P- I$ Q+ Z7 a, f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% }8 z7 l. V$ [1 Eit's the problem of the debt itself.
4 h8 {4 k+ z! o5 J! z1 {the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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5 G9 O  P/ P5 T! `4 C+ U無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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! h" J2 `7 C# W敬請各師兄解答
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; x4 a  ]; F* U% B5 rThanks
* g5 Y, J' c3 G* N( m1 I, H那些根本係 紙上財富  , J% T1 x" P- @+ N# @- {
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, k2 d, |9 n2 ^6 S  |

4 \( f5 l* L4 z" e  W/ a, y7 G' H$ dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' A+ h( H, D! ~1 r當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- p% L/ D) i" k; B
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 Y4 b- T' X' Z9 t
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# X& E1 R+ \! N4 \2 H
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 |& D$ b7 L/ z8 {- J計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 L. O- x" d" L5 \; |& M$ l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# T/ i  F/ B8 U: l+ ]+ g' n2 Z
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. n2 R  M$ c- G5 x! F2 I
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
. H8 R% C6 j$ O# L例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' W( U# Q' ]! b- o4 h( D  I/ Y
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%0 ?. N; d: F6 @7 A) R9 v! M
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" b+ X7 w0 g8 u( e7 T
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 K9 q3 ?3 I0 K但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * E' X8 E. L0 z, d; X6 A  S
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# Z1 D- z6 c( e( ~, f2 {9 h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 W" `+ S$ O) m" O6 A& s! P  ?) I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- B. _. }: A( Z+ T
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % X$ S% V0 z( T$ j5 L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 G  b" w. _- n呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 [5 }: |. T: f% K0 `/ o9 |咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
# J3 z; {0 y9 R* j& X其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# V0 O$ S; r& c: [7 N
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ j$ u2 b4 o% z% e6 W; @: _連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, a! V) q& V" ]% T5 g3 f
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ z4 ~2 A$ `/ E( x8 u  n: v& c% k) E編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& V$ d! I: m  W: S( f: |
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
- Q9 C9 n+ c; w4 L因為以前未生產, 先消費5 ], {/ J+ F( h
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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