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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. R" {! Z. W& H2 I1 C- HWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
/ R/ y- l% N5 i7 ^! ~7 Y) {I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, D. h7 f" q4 P& H, B* U& S
so銀行可以不斷放款
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mortgage loan
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$ f0 E) N0 \1 I# K' p$ U6 q8 q>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ |) ?: V' H  r1 |" k
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
8 R& Y/ F# j" O5 l8 cCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! S+ l8 w  R8 g5 hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; j+ }* u; C& V. Q" n8 t/ Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( Z. ~# u' }0 M8 g3 E& F
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 L. T5 D, F# E7 D& a7 W. P9 ZAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 e# ~" |8 B3 q( C, X' {6 n2 Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,9 H" S+ r! L' P+ D1 N1 y' h
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
/ S0 H% I* C& N  ~2 ceg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ @  i7 ]& `. U" `9 Fbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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; l7 |1 `8 ?" k  Cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
1 P2 `# h+ F9 pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
7 u' N, `7 x& X7 ZFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. ]& j- ~: a" H3 c' aA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.2 O* u# M9 j) i5 q& {
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 B+ c# J6 Z, L. I) v- Rbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly., M6 u4 B( I* @; R; Y- S1 c- N

: G' M% B' P5 `: R[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 [+ j1 h7 t1 tRefer to last example,1 ^+ n' f# F, Z  O7 {+ A5 |( D+ U
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
  y8 H% N0 K2 X8 |  y) ~Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
, i. Z8 @' F$ P+ E4 o0 etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% ]8 W" L4 w1 h7 ~# Cso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 I- D3 F8 H' e6 e/ K) M
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# _) q1 n4 A7 o7 e3 f$ l0 @
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 Z  ?) h5 A0 F& ]
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( k3 K& z1 n7 \- m6 c* C
it's the problem of the debt itself.( S* k, h! S) v& [
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 A. N( T4 ]8 C, W小弟一直都唔明...% Y1 L3 W& W9 ]

  E3 F* W& \. ]5 [" K全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ |; u& v2 j& _. G5 L& w% H( _

# p; C2 g. X. c! ~% }* B5 a+ T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...# H, k# W" ~. R
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敬請各師兄解答
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! z8 v7 j) v* g. n1 f4 P) x3 TThanks
& E; B9 I, K: K( d7 U那些根本係 紙上財富  % u5 E- D, A: o1 [! T
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ \7 }6 j- r1 k! ~

! |. g" P$ u3 b. E8 Qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 d3 b0 A4 [7 i" z. A
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
( V  j2 X5 r6 b7 V於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; _( v5 S- N( i$ i7 j2 y個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 b! X$ ]* Y$ X6 P1 Y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. O7 V* F, v$ O5 H2 T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺# e+ Y8 f: m" q2 \
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
  }: i3 L' [- w. c8 r同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 |' `' T: a. H) Q8 `# L/ u但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ s8 t  j) x9 H8 Q7 C& G9 q+ ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ! G( J" B% ^$ \9 W* {% ^/ `# m
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 t7 g, h8 r5 g( [所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 G2 w/ Y. g6 I; _- B
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : {0 K% p( T* Q. ~5 n) d* {! g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" [' F) H% e6 J8 v: ]  k淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" \4 k1 D* R: h: x$ F: R呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ l4 T1 d& G7 B( z咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ @- J1 f$ i! |1 h) H9 f) o
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 p. P" i2 q+ o+ s. N: s2 `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: P; _$ T  d) u, u2 {呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
9 Y- T; v) @# t其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* p6 ]( p6 \* p+ d$ E* D8 H
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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' ]6 s9 @% k3 T7 M3 f再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) k  E& T" M7 f9 Z' f0 ^/ P連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
3 p0 I& m' [( W* q1 f2 Y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
2 l0 S+ z4 W0 P7 P編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 W- r1 i; N7 c/ R, I' j* X& A
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... H$ H  e) X7 W2 d% |0 ]# m! K  E
因為以前未生產, 先消費
( R0 y* N8 Y2 S: F而家就要多生產, 少消費
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