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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& d- d5 u6 P& FWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( n; j; a& |: s. X0 f: T  gI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
( E9 i: y1 B2 j0 ^6 v0 Yso銀行可以不斷放款
7 `, w7 ~/ }/ G# i! J( N8 V/ j& g$ g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)* U# _0 E& h+ d$ C6 |- F( `
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 q1 A- r9 p; _+ L; p- X- H" C( R4 `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ ^' }' s* @" ?+ u! i+ c5 v
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 g! p  s" H/ ?, l$ E
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  @8 V( j9 X, }$ _; j2 G/ j
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* S% x, K" i/ sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, J3 O8 E1 V4 Z9 ~- aAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 z, U1 H; D2 E7 |+ n0 o
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 q8 [& f  n3 @) J2 ?- Qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ z5 w  k# x; u' ]7 v, M$ C' Keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : x- y: b, }2 m( X
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% T! z6 Y3 V6 Uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 ]+ Z5 b3 S) r$ s& d/ U# J. M* O
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 f- I( e' [3 G0 }( U; ]9 h! WA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 O$ D9 d, N# d, G; @. }; N' J
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' |1 A5 H( W; e. ^5 c0 U' T( Q3 Y$ Zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( e2 y- |8 x" W3 X" m4 Y& p
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 c; ]; p9 k; p. Y/ P5 ^# WRefer to last example,* Q- o/ S5 t' m4 o
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 L0 s& m* }+ x  O, ABecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , K% `( X5 u  v1 {0 l8 k
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
# O8 M1 V: R2 Q' `; q' p% G0 Yso does it mean if E failed to pay D, : J# I" e# V3 f  R+ G
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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4 a+ u  g; f: g- m( wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
; E/ r) ~$ E. {- ^9 m6 Qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 k! ?9 ~6 r% |4 M% l& E& eit's the problem of the debt itself.  \7 V- l+ I$ a8 C
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答% e+ W+ u* I, Q2 J7 f" p
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Thanks
) j5 ^! \( c9 e+ ]: h$ w  V( M* `那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 h; S  a' \0 _各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic( y' v4 `% M6 W/ w( V  Y
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 J) t5 n6 k6 @5 z. ?% l! I& k
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 |& c3 w6 n, _: t於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 |# h: _5 ?* S' E9 O, w8 r! R! n& d0 Q個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: C) w8 e. b8 W5 Y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 x! m+ e; z% }. X8 v4 P計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- [0 u+ a/ X& ?8 l6 F9 A4 V前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 q& |4 u" J8 T( M# k+ S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 c) f4 S! f5 p6 X, s' ]" Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. `" f0 Y3 c+ v9 w. r6 [
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " ^" r6 D7 a# W/ E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 X  N7 L& o' N/ r- I/ S; f" J所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; I; m2 w# N# ]' X
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . Q: Q2 _% p: C% x5 K* A( I- ^4 y( G
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& J! X9 ~3 O$ j0 Z# ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( m2 d# j& j0 K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 i% G) ^: ^  ~- L9 ~4 m/ x! ~: y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 w! z# E! z- o  S  f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ Q5 ]1 P6 T9 ~呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
# U. s& i" q2 Z+ I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% V" p7 @# p6 ^正係咁樣
6 J* N, l6 a, h' e" F* D其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 \: J+ {8 `- U1 D4 h7 e分分鐘佢地唔使還錢) H& V' Q$ X  C( i* f
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,3 f6 l: a" U1 C' J, [
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 O6 Y; X& s  Y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( A! K, `8 Z! t( }* B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. f/ }- S- ]3 l& F/ I咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
, R) K+ L3 f% p* L而家就要多生產, 少消費
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