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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 R: l1 Q7 J+ \  d  ^8 Q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
, U) W4 l; `; T1 a0 ZI was so confused.....
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1 ^$ P+ x; c* U: U# c  y講到尾都係賺錢
' H) H( N2 ]+ l- P  C  s# b$ mso銀行可以不斷放款
' l1 b' D$ V0 U1 g" R) c美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, ]# c, ~+ e% L

! E2 N3 V6 S( H  Vmortgage loan
4 P8 ]1 Q: K9 W7 c% c6 l- i* c>conduit
6 \  x. Y9 K( E' i2 M) J3 B>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation). E. @9 T8 _3 M
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
2 B, G0 `. Z# p, X6 A/ W. V" p9 QCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- [. `4 o1 X: A0 x  ]6 cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! |; b# A8 I3 Z7 X" q" C/ w# X( N
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 }3 r6 w+ t+ U2 zin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
) V8 V, _5 y  n2 o+ Q  zAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 q3 Y% O7 G; f5 u' F7 dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  s% \$ ]* W; e7 \normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  w/ O. k/ W7 r3 v( L! ]eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, z  S: j% y& G0 k* _& R" O6 I3 mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.! A* z" ?4 F& p1 `+ o
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( H% |0 S% N2 l7 o9 X0 V" {* g# c
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( p9 C6 U( ~% P" x& NFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
& w( v3 R+ J( F" m! i; A6 }! ^A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 c6 m1 u  x3 S8 O  S6 Y8 _% aThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * W, O) s% m$ I9 Z1 V
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.  D7 v) ^- n9 Z7 ?* \- q5 H! O

8 H4 K7 j0 w# Q5 e% n( P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, H' b4 ?7 Z: E7 m9 cRefer to last example,4 H- k% r, ], E" n8 a9 e, X1 j% P
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' H7 a$ |/ i, K/ R; A7 [) h
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 8 M0 I9 t% w% l4 i  P" U2 D( Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E1 N0 u( u9 V: U
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
3 T' }! t- Q4 D7 s% W5 O# O: Y# h) Sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?7 {1 }" s  t* F; ^0 x" W& z
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( V, Q1 l0 n- s: W$ [the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 Y, z1 T! v2 c$ cin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ U9 O1 l( z+ G5 N% M6 ~+ xit's the problem of the debt itself.; ^( a  C0 m+ P0 L0 r. o
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" J; |+ J2 F4 p3 B$ i
小弟一直都唔明...2 B  l8 q1 k8 f2 b
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ ~: y. }3 l1 U4 w( ]
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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: I' \- N/ k4 D  h敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
# j# M6 J. `2 ~$ v0 N4 j3 Y那些根本係 紙上財富  
5 I* M9 j. L: {/ {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 S. M* Q# r5 |9 V4 P* I. F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
9 ]' N7 t8 P# C" A於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) C5 x5 ^! Y8 M& R2 T( F- x個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
8 ~/ d; k9 r) y. E/ i% q& C扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
7 x' g3 o$ j6 k& n計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ J8 j; m8 t' \% J2 B4 ?7 ~! H3 A
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: x: @& n) x8 ~  H0 Y) C. t  h2 M同埋個市場既前境要係好先得7 L  r) d% H/ f# i( ]1 k1 ^
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺! ?  `7 B6 E0 x0 f0 s3 V
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: p) b, B0 \  j0 O咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
9 H' u0 R5 t% t2 \: S9 ]所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
1 {1 Y/ m7 h7 a$ M7 L; I但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 E: i& X+ b3 _( L; H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 p+ ]* R4 G8 N& \6 T' e呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ N$ F1 |6 H; Q# p% _7 |
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - r2 ]8 Y  S* A* M- N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 A9 C* c4 F% T; \# @5 p9 ?( n呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 @. [8 N( o, y3 A6 Y: E咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣( p/ [: W1 w4 {. Z6 g
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
, d* [- B7 }9 z& F/ O分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 ]+ p; M/ v0 s9 s9 R3 A- U- V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,$ J  e- P2 L; F: i9 L
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
6 ?7 \+ `$ m  ]" s' w一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  ?5 @/ t7 O: c  R! D: t+ H
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 p5 B( b* K3 V2 H1 N
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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. x% c# u& H: l$ \其實係...+ {6 ]" h$ v9 X& s! T' M1 @4 _
因為以前未生產, 先消費# v! l4 V. Q' Q' j( w6 r/ i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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