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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 f( O" Q, }& s1 m* FWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# U, k: f$ h$ d  qI was so confused.....
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  M8 F* K% A4 ]0 _* g2 t6 m# x1 O/ M講到尾都係賺錢0 N0 e" r/ f. {* b7 @9 N+ m0 r" B
so銀行可以不斷放款
2 j: S% E/ Z1 F- [# A& J1 I' _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). t1 o' k. F) {/ k0 J% r) V- v
>arranger. [& K7 l, Z% a; p& D- I# H: W3 D2 S
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ X$ R/ B: B# `$ |
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
# }/ g) T. S1 G+ X1 hCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 V' T9 a+ u( l; b1 a1 Amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; Q* A4 k  D+ h( I" t+ m% C4 X
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 B  ?# a2 R# a* s5 G
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! N3 E- r) _! O+ @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
0 w3 p9 b- @% y. h5 _: Vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  @1 X9 @- A" H. q2 g1 C# v, ~$ i
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " U9 _. h1 K7 U4 {4 _; W. z6 J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 `; l% J* a. C0 B8 W5 _
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.$ R9 ]0 i* F- R% Q2 V& [
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., i. n4 M4 {+ [/ c
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 I0 {7 E/ u/ @0 M) M9 P' O; o
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- D9 |: `/ h" @0 D" t' F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 |* a* S7 e/ c! y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; Y0 {+ H( |" c2 o1 _/ L) x
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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/ S& F# \/ E% w) G9 b1 S[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" V4 S9 O, L# f( DRefer to last example,
7 S; s+ Z5 l+ E. _/ j+ Vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* G6 ~; b+ D7 d, p6 w% [' L) ~Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- [; @# S" V! n  ?" o6 E5 J# Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E, D6 ~3 I* X; \& h, L0 v' r
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 z3 Y9 W7 ~3 a$ r
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! y) u+ D$ S5 t! G* j( _2 T

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 d6 z7 I+ P9 |% P8 Sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, & \' l5 P- N/ G
it's the problem of the debt itself.2 R7 r* e" _5 I* W, V' y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& O# i- Z0 Q! c# Y, ]
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, U$ C) D* k3 Y+ W! R
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... k0 ]. ]0 [+ e  }0 _9 M. h
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敬請各師兄解答* i; w9 A% U8 U7 d- o! j

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ i2 N: }) y0 G& V8 h2 Y5 m各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ Y: Y% s9 S' [; b5 V- ^2 K8 h
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ E. _! v; k8 E3 ?. z7 @當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 r0 L* O5 k* N0 v( O, x7 u於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 p/ u6 e- B2 [7 i
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
; |* f7 w- \' h3 p; A8 @' f扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  b) g: G& `2 ~7 ~" u
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 D9 \% O8 v" h8 _! K前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 J' \  s! G+ Z$ h9 p! d  ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 Q( F+ b% h- w: f3 }7 [- K- I( V但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
. f( [( K3 f  J0 Q  \; E: P& B例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 i! s, ]0 M2 A8 s. a* U3 x! H咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! P. L! ]; Z! H8 H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* ]9 w, P- q0 ?1 R6 s4 c8 h

4 d0 U) _& `* O" y! ]& F你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . b2 \' V- t/ x2 U4 l2 F
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 q" y! ~8 H( c% N& _6 l. q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, u) M5 R- B4 \# q* |' i7 Z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# o8 v! U. p! t
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! t3 t6 r$ C+ Z0 a$ G1 w% L2 h4 e
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + V6 d. `* P- d- [. E: T3 z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- S$ }: V& y. g呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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( a- M8 ?# Q& H* P正係咁樣
5 h* T! X6 I7 P- g7 R* O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: O6 O! A. `1 v4 F
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 j0 I5 Z4 J6 D( v連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 s4 J# y) j) g一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 m* R7 E4 l$ N  i( {編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 j7 n- v9 [$ o0 `' {4 ~% q" v6 [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... i& h- [" u5 @/ Q% N+ f0 p: ?
因為以前未生產, 先消費+ J4 f# d" h5 @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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