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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, H7 D9 c4 [& N5 q2 J0 b* [4 K
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- M' s2 F; i) p/ L3 |( E, a
I was so confused.....
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5 O& \8 {5 k& b4 t3 D5 u4 Z講到尾都係賺錢
1 k" k( A+ D9 G/ M0 \so銀行可以不斷放款
! C$ ]; B# H9 _' W$ e' \美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; k% X' |, t0 @6 b. `# l' Q0 U
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mortgage loan
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) u4 C8 y3 q8 y+ v- `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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5 ~, k3 K" {: k1 G>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
$ G) a2 ~2 h  xCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ y4 @5 c& h8 J' K0 h' r1 xmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
' _& z( j, T" X9 u5 {main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,8 w0 h- Z! \! A/ f
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities./ M% e+ |# a  b; ?( R) `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 [9 ]4 |) W8 @+ @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 k% @, |9 H( ]. i2 s% L1 E) \normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; H; p5 }; M7 o3 f
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : R$ r& _* F$ m+ W- ^7 `, c
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ c) |7 e- x  ]4 e
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 a1 s! l- r( p: L" ~' uFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 X; V' u6 K; j. P) P7 b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- M9 ^/ N  s6 J- @; o6 [& ~, TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& b/ ^+ d1 I( D8 xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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$ K2 E, l4 a  j! s1 A. i: a5 w[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. m- r3 J* E0 N5 D2 e- I5 kRefer to last example,7 [4 S5 L" q+ }' ~% Q
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 Q: y/ e2 K! y3 ^* mBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand " o0 y5 `. x% [& P! r( k
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
- |! k9 M; }5 Mso does it mean if E failed to pay D, / a" f: j! b# l7 ^
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 Q# C* J( _1 n

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
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it's the problem of the debt itself.
0 |/ f# Y9 d2 Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 d$ v) {5 b. `3 m$ o: M7 r
小弟一直都唔明...5 G$ f* Y; k2 t+ M  a
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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4 p/ ^" `. k! w, \# S# C" C無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 E: n& e9 l  Z
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敬請各師兄解答
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# Q! D# r( W, H1 m6 {& r' UThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
# B0 v4 z5 D' a; e+ p各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 ]; L& R# J7 {' H: j2 s1 J$ K8 y' w
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* S& t9 l; ^5 l( M. H$ |* {$ @: j3 T
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ u( g" K* C$ o3 i於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 k9 M" b* |0 f個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦0 ~* [, |0 E3 G9 p
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ g" o% E  O4 A& K: F9 G9 r' d
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ Q, T7 O( u7 ^9 J0 p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法4 g3 o. G+ ?  G, X6 c/ {- V8 C
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 O; h) Q3 K: d4 v3 V% s但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) s; Z0 w6 v$ e0 {' Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - M' W( i- B) p+ v" m2 P
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: s" Y* l( _3 I. @# y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 A/ G- e! ^6 K
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 O( t. x. I  ?: L" G# B9 A
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) m* T2 O6 r& i. R淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 K9 X$ k3 |" Q# S
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ l7 W* N+ T8 y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. S1 U8 w3 j0 \  B; P  w8 O+ }
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " B: f3 V  r$ z" N; G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # D% E1 ^' g5 A- y6 ?
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
# z1 u/ h3 s% u2 b+ Y% r5 F2 Q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣6 ~& F( F( L- _( z' @
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 [" U; }$ \. W( V. ]
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 F( Y9 `0 x0 D6 q
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- }1 ?* d5 L# K' X  \一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% F' Y5 u- Y% `( ^! {$ L: e
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ a# H( }' K2 q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
/ Q) T( c2 l# O因為以前未生產, 先消費3 w9 b' m0 K# ^6 |; P5 w
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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