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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( e& L  o# s2 y
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???2 i9 q% u- `. g6 c
I was so confused.....
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! N$ _7 `' q- L, h講到尾都係賺錢
9 L  |! ?# ^4 W! o, v0 ]so銀行可以不斷放款
2 x; R, B: }& ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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6 @/ ?/ ^9 f* K/ x" K$ @+ s>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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7 Z: @: \( L& @8 x, Z2 `>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
* z, _' T! u" |最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 B7 K' a8 a7 T5 @% k  N
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, e. I+ A7 d# }7 Z' Z9 ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( a! P  V/ s$ I. q2 a% B; Smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 d# P$ T2 B' E5 m% }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 d( g# f+ ?# P) `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 l2 v/ m3 v1 _& f5 w  ?; Xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  B) g1 T/ Z( s% M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
) J+ g+ K/ n# n, G) l5 e- \9 Q$ Veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" l& i% g- k' G' ~8 S" Pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.' V8 a0 Q7 ?# S3 {* P! D) d

7 R5 X$ K  d# N0 J9 aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* I/ z& q. O% R  R8 ]+ F& Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 x# N- Z! D$ B6 c
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( u# R) e, ^* I# h# q$ R( @" F4 iA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# ]5 X( v! ~- VThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; p  P/ i. r, v& l8 L  k
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ F7 J: @4 ?* n( @) G4 X% S/ RRefer to last example,9 I  \. W( ?+ W- O! G/ v
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 d/ c; ]* d# D* H$ `3 L7 LBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand & n0 F, f0 k2 S, `4 x
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
# G; o( H1 I* o% O7 lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, * y+ z2 K! s6 ]$ X- A" \) K/ B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) q# u  S% y+ h$ Q5 I

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - R: P* o+ q, u* i* t1 C: _3 `4 r
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ K, X8 F7 Q3 H, v9 }; G" k9 Q3 uit's the problem of the debt itself.
. u, L2 ~- Q+ Y: O* r: D& u& `the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ e" F8 V$ Y9 w! x! T  a- B0 k+ }
小弟一直都唔明...' Z* n  \0 m9 C8 y, J

1 ^7 R1 `4 ~" W) q6 w, ?, C全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?4 h$ _4 Q. m! U: Q$ t& H1 c

& H) ~5 [( I# M2 r9 }# X" u無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...5 n$ Q' H2 d% F$ T

9 }' r' s# p, Z; M7 g  t敬請各師兄解答% n# @* A( V0 j8 x

/ x' x0 r& A/ x, L/ ~Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  5 ]+ [/ h. Q9 C8 _% d; ?9 E
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; {7 p4 p1 p8 C4 c: C0 D
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 l& D& p4 ?" ~2 y$ [
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; u, T% j5 _2 l$ u6 _! J2 a
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
0 ~' [1 O) M/ m" h# u8 A- ]4 z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- V( k* t0 }/ {$ E9 Z6 K5 S$ Y* m, L
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ b5 d# h( x- ~! t8 e8 T) L' A  r計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' D6 W4 l% y/ k8 j% P3 b2 T前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法; ]0 q- A& `/ j* _  S1 P8 e
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 N$ _  s% L5 p& z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( s4 i- v3 L# W6 M6 c( y例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # L3 y4 [9 J4 m6 {, A9 M' F$ L
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) s, k% K3 H7 O5 \所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 Y# e0 M+ l/ O2 x# w) }0 t
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 r- C1 E' U! v, ~# U但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - S9 {. m: n+ M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! c* ~. X  C' P2 B5 K. F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
. [8 g' r+ ^6 @" A; O* f咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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  h0 l# x( m" w3 O% T5 |/ J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% [# D/ L- r1 k: q- u呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; X) V8 E$ G5 K# o. q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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& U0 J/ D% a* H7 l正係咁樣7 h* Q% h5 ?3 g$ m  i% l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% H& t% v8 D7 @% A  R+ y4 T
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 ]1 J- b4 F$ H2 m" a1 P
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% _) `& l: q1 T7 W; I; d0 ]6 [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, o" N( A. a& @" f3 d編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- k- g, n& Z/ q/ f' P# U咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ O7 `4 S9 N8 f/ \
因為以前未生產, 先消費2 R/ s4 z" a# Z5 X' G# \7 G2 `9 ]
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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