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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 F! A1 P' A% t3 A9 l, r/ cWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 D, x/ s$ }& m: O0 \  S  O
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
, n& ~/ u: e; [5 P0 ^so銀行可以不斷放款
' Z. x+ W8 ?  o3 B4 V3 G7 i美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 b8 M7 o2 C5 B! q, z

. V: j1 s" l) cmortgage loan
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2 a( N6 `0 H8 o  P9 N>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' F3 Z- y) U/ q: u7 D! [
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 K/ Y% Z# j) E3 ACDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 P  l8 N+ V; u9 N, g" v2 L" h
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 }* J$ l7 Y: W' u' _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' Y, d% h. t% D2 E2 R- V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' a$ e: j' ]9 r  p# M+ ]Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& b: J1 O! c% I7 Hsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 J2 W3 S: Z, G. P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * N1 m, d  u  b3 [) I, F  g5 g
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - T  x6 p0 b! j& D
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& C% D  J( d" k+ y6 z9 X% `. p

( c2 C2 v: g) J5 l4 ]im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 \6 O$ J7 c  }( h1 \9 e" S5 w
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 Q8 Q) z4 z- ?# x8 y- BFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 H, @7 c" d. K1 n& g3 |5 @- TA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. d0 I  _1 \* F- h- [  P2 ^1 q9 A
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 W6 a, L8 B6 ?2 B2 O/ b( e
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 ]: Q; K1 d/ g) q$ ?$ m

, k# ^; {) u' x" W. S' u- N9 }# `[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- H3 x) s1 u$ s5 ?2 T$ _! r! W
Refer to last example,
4 ^. `4 T$ ^( F, i1 n5 d) lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 Q2 I1 U7 z( _' {  |( e
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
, j) {' E# l7 ]+ R& E' Jtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
# t# b. B7 f  M* p2 S; Pso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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- |$ Z' E3 Y9 v  Vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . L* }4 H$ D' M" W, q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 U) [, i$ ^5 J' `7 D
it's the problem of the debt itself." s, s# ~5 d9 V+ b& z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. Q3 y6 }4 B+ j* Y
小弟一直都唔明...
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" s. a: f* p8 ~0 b' T- ^全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, q- ]. Y  k/ r

( Z! B: z4 H& l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: G7 q' a% [! n- u8 Z

3 C6 y4 w: P! {) x敬請各師兄解答
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. G4 A0 _# p: ]4 @! V: QThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ! V! K! C2 N. |. v
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; |1 X3 r, H; U& N! ~/ t0 a

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 h0 l! j, Q( {. e# z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ j; L2 y. v+ Y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 `0 L0 n6 J1 U3 ~+ p) Y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' S2 }7 N, H, A# r9 d  `扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,% v9 M# \0 D3 |
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" Y4 j( y# ~" g前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ G% @. c7 ?1 u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: P. _; P, @5 i% r$ ?
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
' g# V6 R& X( [% w1 L例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * `) C5 ]. G: G" o& p
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* h7 G+ G* g9 x7 w$ A* ]3 N& F! p$ `所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; n& E1 w  d: @1 B3 n/ ?4 V1 M
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) w. k( R$ u0 C8 ?2 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 r+ |2 t- x- c4 W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 R6 W5 ?) K/ K# V" m' |& d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ @4 R) [9 H7 P' i8 v
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . r, o2 L( P1 o  d( Z3 N1 O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& A& _$ ]' Z* u& F( z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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% R; L9 N( D9 l4 Y正係咁樣" O1 [; M6 L$ }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 m0 q" [; h, O- K5 J' [7 F
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,3 v* c8 J* y. K7 Z' U% g  z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! M# L4 M/ l  W# B( q) Y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! \; T. x& q& M4 n, O8 r/ ^1 j3 q: a& [編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ |/ I" Q1 K! l8 \咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 n! R1 j* f1 i" \+ Z, y! C+ f其實係...
% X4 y% M( Q3 \% {( E- Q因為以前未生產, 先消費
" M& N; [, f4 d- I8 P- d' h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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