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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 w2 \) e, G* `8 U8 `Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???  b9 G( E: V, w
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢# ]- |- n! C3 Q) D% y
so銀行可以不斷放款
# c0 i/ Y9 E. q! b  |3 }; v# {美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界# u2 b3 Y5 S2 g# F1 @8 m
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mortgage loan
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# j, w: n9 u5 X3 @" \1 \1 J>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- _% O( \  y% o. r, c6 @/ y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
. b4 w! u; X, P% l3 ?1 xmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& a! `3 v* G0 c/ k: e) q
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, F4 K4 |1 H8 h0 ?/ j
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, W" H& s5 `2 V8 t1 M" xAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
" C/ \# `, Q8 c  q" T3 @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,- n0 q" T* W) f+ K- {4 s
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
/ Z- X' O2 X$ {, l4 }eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 u! r* w3 B4 L! u; ]banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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3 u/ r+ M/ J4 J- i0 Rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) y3 J4 o* t1 u2 y2 G; f1 `/ Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 G8 b# |1 {0 x9 t
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" L* `) t% n7 M3 r4 n& cA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.( V. N) E1 n( a$ e( e3 m: m
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 0 A/ N) e% |% v8 ?' \, c9 R9 ^8 V9 W
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 I. D) J5 B* m) g" VRefer to last example,
# G' q# J: L- jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% P9 V$ Y9 e! T6 P* ABecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * ^% c# r6 w& g/ R
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 Y; B: S0 D- `5 v- D: uA->B->C->D->E* p. C8 U& ]) R% h* M3 z% a3 s
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
6 q# \; }6 |$ Kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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. T5 B# G7 A* w5 othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 v* g1 u: Q' [! u; ^
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 W; s# {; U* q$ }4 uit's the problem of the debt itself.. P% {. n  f) S
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 j5 Y* i& u+ {( X2 B- J, a8 Y
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...4 h* J5 @6 x/ U& q  S4 _
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敬請各師兄解答
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" {) G8 J! `+ m+ d- |Thanks
2 G0 Z" W1 @3 A1 ]5 O5 W5 Z那些根本係 紙上財富  
# B. n5 E- u9 D各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( ^: z6 Z/ w" q+ c當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 t* J2 c; w# ]# p4 E- y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# m0 U  T; e0 n
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' W3 j* M! m( [6 n  }
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( v/ O- {5 r" x3 e/ C9 Y3 q/ B2 k
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ u; \' L' _6 P5 A% H9 t  m$ m前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法+ k8 y  ^8 h; x- ?9 e/ a8 I' P8 s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
: a9 x( w% x0 l3 V4 V但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 I. S3 Z& y5 }5 z, ?( N2 G6 r例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 }* G& z$ N, x8 E5 r
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; w  F7 r3 V7 e所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁$ N% w' X) E( c; Q, M1 l

+ v% k2 U/ }4 ?7 M+ E你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) u* n# h4 H6 S7 ^$ I8 X6 r但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 o8 ?4 r: v7 a4 }* q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % o& a. M/ f* r' F5 j6 ~+ p7 ^
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 b" t7 _- A8 _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! Z- |6 @2 a( E' s0 W* Y4 y' w唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! C! J( y& o6 }: {! o$ w' z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
7 F) }/ j. K. a2 A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% s- t5 a( H* |& O, B$ _
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢, `  e. d; i/ g5 ?' Q3 H- ~
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& @. c- d$ K: h  S連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 i$ U' s) ?6 U# n- b' i. N+ g+ J一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% `3 p9 [# F. _/ g/ C5 L編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ [( n! U% v+ C9 M+ R9 I- {# r: d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...# `" s8 |% g. B! |7 N7 V& C5 T
因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 q/ N; _! G2 V2 n) m1 T0 z3 m' K而家就要多生產, 少消費
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