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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; s! a9 o8 z8 e. b+ M8 YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???! p. v0 I" s4 q- b
I was so confused.....
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& r3 G& o8 `1 D- U* G講到尾都係賺錢2 j$ m" p8 m" v: l& o( ]/ F
so銀行可以不斷放款
; O9 ^7 p# j1 B& s8 r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! z+ A& Q) V" r& Z. K7 C. R% amortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
& ~5 O6 [/ S, e1 H* l最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.6 \4 x8 T/ X& ~; Y2 W' \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& d7 ^; i$ G+ r, c+ _4 V! k( m- y& C4 b
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( A$ s1 S  J) V& pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 @7 }1 ]+ l$ z) v! Y
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ I2 O& l4 N% V: v% AAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! G- \* d* y4 L+ b- ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 T3 f: M+ N9 o; Qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! y: Z9 D5 @0 F# @/ r5 [2 |eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, H9 O5 ]  A5 I# C# Nbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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5 ?$ g6 \3 |- B) D( l* xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( O- |; H2 x; {" V' C- A
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.# z4 |7 T3 J7 A. g+ x
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," {" \" M( v1 |9 X, ~# I6 b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ s; U) n2 z) }# W% PThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) B6 I$ [* p# h! p" c1 |) n, ubut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& w. z. [9 k. f5 u+ \

) K% a' c/ C% P) X5 y* T3 r8 c[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& E' b0 x& l  z2 U- b! ^/ |
Refer to last example,4 k+ s0 g2 x9 S8 j% t# o& l
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
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therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,   P/ `( N; e/ s% f& h5 g* v4 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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3 ]% X7 {3 f8 Z. z7 A/ Nthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) V) r: A) e; P# @: `% Y+ x# z; s$ P
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* [4 p0 ~% x$ b1 d2 N+ T5 n% wit's the problem of the debt itself., L" W4 L3 T# x( Z9 i3 M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- C# a  F. d% x; f+ C$ I8 j. L" q小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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6 ?9 C1 y' z4 i無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& j: A. p# r: y+ i' P. T8 Y, x5 Q$ A

6 {8 f- m7 R1 v( ^! Y( |/ _敬請各師兄解答$ g% F$ f! o3 q8 h" }4 v# }, R

4 G) b+ x( ^7 {  I0 m# rThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  / b2 b  H  U% q8 Z6 m4 `; z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# s; b8 U4 v9 _& f1 K當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ D% ~/ C" O7 l: t- B1 q/ H( j於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! w# v) c6 R1 w
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 \5 m5 v7 h- P" w! f1 ]扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 B0 c, e" s; l9 B, `
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 }; r' g  D# L3 ^2 S8 s  Q; X% A: F0 x前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 D9 W* h# _7 C- ^4 ?/ }
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 Z1 V' f1 H! x: j! L: D5 Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺! S8 O; b! }0 m: @& u9 Q' r2 {) L
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % `$ f" G' a# k* ~
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 i: }5 p! T5 a
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 S3 P. G) V! K& c  n  z1 R/ g你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ; R# A' U) y3 l, r
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 e0 k" t0 k1 h
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & T( Y1 U  z& R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' d3 R9 g8 h% v咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# s4 S' d$ t4 U, u- E* U& _( p. W0 N$ r唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 x  m3 H( H4 B$ q' q6 R淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. Q2 t: h! K+ l& n% ^& n1 G+ s呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 E( H* s6 v4 ^9 ]" V8 U咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  s) o/ t3 G0 b7 @
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
! i8 _+ Y8 t+ h" g/ R3 I分分鐘佢地唔使還錢. B& h4 G6 G0 o

; n& x0 t! A7 b/ w9 K3 `) }再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  T! B3 c3 Y5 b+ o連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' L8 Z1 y4 N6 ]7 Z一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
- J7 m0 w" I7 j( I, M" T5 ~編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' m3 y* `; }4 v9 {* K咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 V# s1 o' C9 `因為以前未生產, 先消費
* E( x& G) I, C7 z) M& p# v" z4 i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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