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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% R, V! t* j9 }: v: c+ |2 M
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
% {2 a  G1 L! MI was so confused.....
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/ m+ U* `2 d, ?9 _: P講到尾都係賺錢
& f) j" A6 _6 E( Z, ~3 b! I0 h/ kso銀行可以不斷放款
' S) E" t7 f7 u美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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7 B5 J+ R  L7 y) X- U9 tmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)3 b& ~  e: p/ t- x* P
>arranger
) J9 y6 m* X% }3 A>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ ?! m: ~: @: V
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
8 o% A( [8 Q* `4 T$ oCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 L! u2 E# f$ N4 M, Vmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 m& n& S& R  h
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 Y7 E. B" q+ c+ @
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
/ S- D0 D! b( t* SAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% ?. D" Y+ n. ^6 Q/ K; u  c
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ i! i2 C' m# R0 q& `5 V  ^& l% B
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 R+ v# q: \$ G4 X; {2 L1 W( J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - c8 f0 `. I/ R# x# }% Y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# K+ O6 s7 `% U! C- E# |+ j% r9 _

6 h  L6 X7 f) y" `im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 g1 R! W8 b. d8 N; i  J
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 P& F3 h2 [1 Y# _, x* V; c
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 M0 _" y$ G, v8 N* N" a
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 B* W, f( J; [( V' M
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 a- D- l5 n. q3 b
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) k+ d: u+ ?1 |' m) ?3 K
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 R' v- E5 E* ]* p" R
Refer to last example,' G8 X8 r& r7 c0 ]( i3 V9 P
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 _5 g" _: z8 n, \, H: q; X" b$ f4 I
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 1 q" w! U1 k" J4 F" F! l2 o
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 h1 L- f, W, u: F5 N7 Eso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
6 d7 E" D& f/ M* `, t& V+ ^. a- @all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) }6 h/ K0 _6 Q$ U3 x

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& W* p/ r) R% `0 Y$ Z" Fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 T, }6 R1 Q% q! l) k2 Q  a/ I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 8 }$ K: h9 L/ g/ R# R6 A
it's the problem of the debt itself.1 V5 w& M/ r& D1 `7 w8 U7 E# O7 w
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& n+ y# e" F* @+ ~" q+ H小弟一直都唔明...
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0 P3 p, m' X# F+ H5 R# A全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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, R& ^$ l* U. ?$ {$ N無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' p2 U8 }& y+ ]
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敬請各師兄解答. h( g+ E: Q& @4 x. c

1 r/ H' W, I5 g( }1 j9 }Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 V1 V6 [6 D# X各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 ]+ F/ Y# k( N# U0 `

4 X+ `; [8 U  Y- i# P2 Phttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% B7 X3 _. U$ q& X9 l  y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" I3 N0 P  J: ?1 T. X5 |" M於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. K0 ]& l: W- O0 i% O
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 [# F4 i8 T8 ^7 w; G扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
  Z8 r& n: h8 W) |) m計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 Z: T/ S1 ?" C2 [6 F0 t: x
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ g" ]: O' O8 _3 [! J
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得( t3 Z" g) v4 |- A. A7 \
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ R3 ~* Q1 g% L" `
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, $ M0 ~* T8 L! ~' e
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 q3 y2 `1 [0 `% g* G  y& q
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 _' ]4 N6 D- n/ \! D
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; a4 ^8 U4 I6 a  {+ K+ n
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 G2 k5 H! F) u6 U; A
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 s/ D: U. Y, j; o& _- X  y! g" e, M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- y- ?4 d) e9 H9 U# r) ^& t唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ ]# I  s. Q' p1 Z; N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " A: e3 a1 T. }2 G" Y9 Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣2 S6 U: a: k# V. }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. v  m7 A6 V/ Y* `% V6 d分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" [" [( u8 F1 L* E7 B' `" ~6 V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" Y% u( y* O$ M, \+ h/ d2 R& W連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
0 k# l/ ?) y! I% t! f一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產6 D2 |' q( v) P3 e9 g+ \
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- `. E* m& H4 E# Y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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( l& ^+ ^9 h+ }' [* u- _- `其實係...  n2 }7 s2 x* h* f4 ]7 L0 A8 O
因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 Z9 i- ?0 J* ?4 l2 ^而家就要多生產, 少消費
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