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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* T% y3 y; A; _7 A; A
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 j; W  y$ z: F& @% R
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
: }9 }7 Q" T; E  X/ Rso銀行可以不斷放款: s6 `+ @- k# d3 u6 l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) {6 h3 C9 L; j* C

  Q) @7 l# Z  {* S2 M! M5 f% Jmortgage loan # @9 O( }" j; X6 b0 J+ b
>conduit$ ]9 x9 Q4 Y6 d
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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) ]9 K! l) n& p" t>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
: h) d% o/ ~& s, }7 f, w2 ~6 E% T3 N, HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
" y9 ]! O: n% M+ cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# U: u4 O; Y; M/ w" Z/ t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 A4 J& n; f, o7 K& X6 hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 b6 O& X1 l% c: k) Z* wAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency./ x/ C' m! L& s( p7 L7 l* _
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,5 U; Y' L6 W) C( T" P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 5 ?: P- ]2 m3 q, X* x2 k
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ i+ Q; t- O# q! Tbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
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For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
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The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
3 \3 V. F$ Q1 Q2 zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ O6 `  P) v$ [( m0 T2 r
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* N3 }$ w4 C3 ?7 }9 i
Refer to last example,$ F- k) @8 p* f
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + n5 b$ s0 N7 X; ?
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# w5 \0 \: D# h; K- ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' ]  u: h$ E/ A
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, & Y7 l6 k+ e4 i  Y( m0 E6 T
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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3 q  n( _8 C% P" \. Gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 h7 O6 ~* p3 U: w7 E
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 g# g' o" J! I, g) {
it's the problem of the debt itself./ y/ Y$ K) Z. t2 d2 a: A+ q+ N
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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! I! ~# R0 ?* o- F5 M2 S' @, S全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; Q0 \" ?# A/ E7 J2 `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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. S" d2 M$ V+ a8 Z敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
' O1 K5 X$ `3 ~: X# C那些根本係 紙上財富  
! L6 U( k$ g! h. z2 Q2 `. S各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 @, R6 @4 n& Q9 ^9 n* c

, B5 W$ y6 ?0 |% {8 Z, jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ B  B3 ~3 Z$ H7 N
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" A  l, b4 {6 Q7 W' g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ m$ G' d1 Y/ x$ R0 }  B0 A
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 f9 g# Z7 T- ~扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
( h6 B7 e) H: G! Y* B( b) q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺! g% a9 p1 ^3 L6 L9 n
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
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但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 ?' M( b1 Y- `& h7 D- x) Q! p例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 {0 o; w1 I# O& p' F! j& V, ^咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%+ H  c0 l$ ^. P! G2 m9 K0 I, D- v
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁$ y) G$ p) Q$ ?2 Z! M; `  x+ u& H$ G

+ D! x( _* s) H2 C3 j' _. Q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   q- c" E1 A6 M5 M- ?, z. i! E
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . j' ~0 m' M" r  E$ l# m3 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# q: V) G. n) Y. ^0 [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 ?& r& F& _7 {; ~咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 T6 I' f: F7 _/ E; z3 V, \唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( O. i, `8 f0 m# E0 r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 n' K, W9 f6 g9 I5 V! K6 K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣/ }4 W* D, w0 R' o& r. f
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業5 S  s6 f4 B4 g% b4 c2 I' M
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  H4 n' B2 P9 f0 w
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 W1 N2 n" t2 D$ F  W& x一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ B8 B# A- V8 T1 `$ W3 y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 ]: N( |6 I- n! U8 w7 x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...; H* k) |, s( P) E' k0 p& P
因為以前未生產, 先消費; {2 X! P7 a0 @+ T" ^
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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