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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 ?2 s& b2 j' K: c% DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
0 a. o0 i1 t1 f9 u0 U2 ]- h' qI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
# _/ k7 a& }$ f& w' b2 a* iso銀行可以不斷放款
! U& Y  O- r$ f8 ^美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界  S1 `- ?/ z1 [7 d8 i
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)+ H5 |- z+ \4 [" t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, {8 l4 U' @+ v/ d9 R0 D1 }/ ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' X5 D6 }9 s) K/ h2 W
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., F3 A0 c+ N' M9 m! f4 M2 U2 p% `% \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 q0 i: r2 d+ m0 H3 rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 {( m) U& A+ L6 [
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& k, r6 f1 n$ {; nsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 J* i5 A1 u/ `
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 C: T- R$ y' r, |: a& u5 J; ~: seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, A- ?2 ^2 X3 ?$ Q; j- I- r  g( pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- I3 f% T2 j$ _- e/ a

0 V( l7 k5 K. y, him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 `8 w4 ~, k) \0 U$ ain stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, m( i, D7 n8 M. B, i, [+ y8 q5 U7 wFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
+ }8 v& f+ M8 r" T4 O% BA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 I9 w8 z! W! h7 v+ @: ^+ y1 \" u
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & @$ b# v5 O3 p7 c+ t
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& I9 N$ S: s  I- }2 cRefer to last example,
7 v  ^: j( L( _9 i$ R, o- F; Wthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : A/ I; q0 ?7 L3 ]
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand " t+ ], u9 _% Z% o  K; A. Y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ ~: [8 }2 |2 P$ EA->B->C->D->E0 u. S1 |' O0 M, V
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 n  w9 y: d/ F) Y! ~* ^9 k/ Q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 u5 s5 [3 w: F2 `+ Z2 c0 `
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 K: N8 R, _9 S. A2 i7 z1 s, h
it's the problem of the debt itself., W/ c4 V, }$ `" c- X" B1 k
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 F% r* k9 m1 E0 c* p# _& t小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* p; {( t& f1 I

( M" U2 v. @. n無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...% F, Q& h% H5 v2 N7 l. A+ K

, ]' j+ I( i5 \敬請各師兄解答% s2 a; I4 t1 w0 E2 m
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Thanks
: g& K& N/ \1 w$ \3 }2 S那些根本係 紙上財富  
) _/ o4 ]% E* q2 {/ }9 {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, @1 j8 ^9 [! n' P5 Y3 V

' J1 \  d) A: Uhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產& I/ T! t/ C, K8 `$ `1 N
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 O! M  W: S- x4 a) o3 ]+ j
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 Y' ]8 U7 ^9 v( B! J! j3 `% |- A8 Y個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% {+ r  t0 u8 l  c6 \) K
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
% e' ^0 y& i  c( A2 r: Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( q$ t4 `" P! |- L- R9 l9 K( v/ ?
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) e+ d& ~' H- m* S3 f/ o: y9 Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得! B7 X3 I5 F$ J7 N0 W- w
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* x" R9 W) A$ [' H
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  O& b1 f$ H: J3 x咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# d3 s( D! e5 L4 t6 `5 \所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁3 d; L: H6 r8 B  D, q

8 l$ N# E6 _2 E9 V0 ^你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : c5 j7 l: v1 I8 ]+ q" @& R
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( J, a# d: J3 C% U5 O: {# |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' l+ v# E* M+ J# G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 h$ f( y% w' K: u
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; x+ i. k$ M! A9 n唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 _  k( T% C2 U5 m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % Q" W' O. a6 f3 K3 Z7 O0 @+ X3 F4 C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! ^- B. E9 w% P6 e: A8 {3 w" Q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. k% ~3 k7 o% d( D正係咁樣) J! v( @- J/ i" i5 `. J
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業$ G" p% d- s% ~
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 W- L( o! I# {; m

" n  o$ n& h# `( x# j( A# m再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 V5 g9 U: F8 M6 \/ v7 N# p3 Z6 m
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% S* I. W; l0 b: p) C& I& c0 V一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 c% c1 c, T- ^
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 t# X; i: z1 N# D, S9 ^. Y! d0 d
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
0 ~1 L6 t4 u& y4 K因為以前未生產, 先消費3 T* \/ `' Z3 r+ e
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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