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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& ?3 {) i* P+ D) v6 d: O
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 t/ ^. N6 |/ _" D& H3 [* H
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢/ h: v& ]& G4 u. ]! W0 M! ]
so銀行可以不斷放款' T6 [2 J  f/ v/ B& N6 R4 X
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan & g1 x& N" \7 W% b; K7 T
>conduit
) y1 v) I5 o, L2 |3 V>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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$ [. _% t8 z+ \2 w4 f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 H! u2 V5 E* Q, k9 r- x
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 E! b" z5 J0 ?$ Q1 T$ d, C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
4 P; f2 Y7 a, D/ n; fmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 A" H, \" e0 D( R
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 H: q& B% n, _in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, w# e/ T) O( a7 ?2 J2 A+ ?# \Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# z/ m, G+ ~) J8 C! O( Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
% {4 h( X4 P5 [. Q8 Y7 C0 {$ cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  e: V& k0 W4 l2 C8 Y. yeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 3 `' s% H5 `- H
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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3 n2 V% x2 q2 ?im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* a% A, Q$ e/ B( [) J8 q% A
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, f2 Y, d4 R  P' I3 DFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% O6 `2 \( k, x9 H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  e9 s9 s) d5 g1 wThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : d4 e/ f6 L# L& e; ?- v
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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  Q0 \% I/ T  O$ O: ]( i" N+ r, _! h[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) t( o8 r$ w$ W) c" l
Refer to last example,
6 {# }' F. o) O- B& j  N- @that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
6 z0 Q/ n- @( g; p3 q: j! kBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) j% h; G6 Q: Z0 p
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 w4 I( a1 T' d: m( A) T! aA->B->C->D->E
# I% u5 Y' j5 E8 Q) D8 |8 qso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 ^, C& C1 v1 s
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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- ?9 d9 }/ ^( E' g: e( I: \2 D6 lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 t( @1 u& K! M/ R$ sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ n: V* C& y/ i$ x( v: J( @& Dit's the problem of the debt itself.
; r3 C+ O! v8 H- q  S! Kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?: L( J, ]  p6 B- i: J8 ]5 S
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." w2 k# j0 p- C6 x+ n, a: f
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敬請各師兄解答
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7 w& M1 H! G" ?+ _4 T4 N- x那些根本係 紙上財富  - b' _% M7 I6 s" R- U0 @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) f5 `$ M# v# M- s
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) f+ j$ R: N( z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# A$ ^, H1 E* h( O5 S% g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* O) K9 j3 ?( h' @: ?$ o7 O個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
+ n1 G6 R3 M7 C. C( o扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 Q' E& |6 b" P* t; N* z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# `, ~: o# d, t/ f$ ]前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
6 c9 W* Y8 }7 ]同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* V2 E( C) W3 W9 O: \; C  h
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 S7 L& L7 ~+ v& `+ k
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) U4 A; Y- `5 }: G% A
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%% o) N# e+ s5 b' D# ]0 r
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) ?2 q5 [7 y9 E5 U
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . R8 d" B7 o* `+ U
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# D4 q2 P* G6 y, c2 U8 R1 i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! }# b) k& r) B8 q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ ~0 T; ^% @- [8 `" b# B5 J
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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# v  @( e" E- Y/ J. j1 u7 \1 z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 x& \8 H) f! q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 J) p5 A( P7 ?+ b8 o
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣8 ^$ P# X' e! a
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
( `1 P" Z6 L/ |分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 k- |0 `) E2 o1 B
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ x5 m$ K6 G" S, M連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& |6 W2 A  c, W5 F6 b1 |  v一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 ?& g: l  q, G0 }! ?$ w- e
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 v& N0 f" `" I9 H5 R3 J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...0 {! K# [9 Q; t3 S
因為以前未生產, 先消費
( `& V" v3 \2 O" r2 e* ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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