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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: J. S) f8 n8 m' m; r, _Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ V$ Z& t* j0 |8 N% b5 ^7 [
I was so confused.....
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; D0 q; Z/ N' T( N講到尾都係賺錢
& \3 h4 U# j( o# m  w& V0 [so銀行可以不斷放款4 k) B! m" J' s1 V. R' o) B7 d& T
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; D# v& g9 s' e7 l

: J' U2 X0 Y# e0 M8 o$ Kmortgage loan
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. `% q- b8 \% z+ t: D' C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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4 N& X9 O! F1 z. r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 N! h* g/ I( @$ a  D
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 x, L: X( d' }1 |. }CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
( l1 o1 s9 W( P2 x: R+ S; ^: N( M2 K* hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" u/ H3 K7 j" M; Z8 J  m$ y9 umain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  y2 ]" |7 t! A
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.: q2 l/ o" h/ g/ P* A* t% A4 G
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
" Y) |, V. W& k' O/ u& L( ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 [5 n% [% M0 n/ ?+ @+ o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
3 N" {) V2 I1 y# |eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 }; \! o! q' V+ Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( r$ J, A* f$ Z! O3 Z5 U

3 x. F3 n% U9 x* H' T2 Tim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 c% f4 Q0 z- T  rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 q; B$ K# _, n, G6 k
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 T( U- _6 p+ ?5 mA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
9 p$ d. V- f3 _# m. |; ?4 g  sThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& x+ [( K) ?3 @. K( K! @) \( kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" n7 |/ [' M  o! s8 J; LRefer to last example,
- v: U0 W$ A8 qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: A( H  T0 a* F" EBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * Q5 ]+ L; z# k2 A5 I  W2 Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' }- s4 A8 p0 x$ M
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 m$ s$ X, T& I8 r+ r' t6 \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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. X: U9 H9 r0 lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* z9 W5 ?9 r: L1 H- B" fin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 \( j* _- ~2 K% Y7 x" [
it's the problem of the debt itself.9 w4 L: {, {" [1 H1 U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: @; Z+ H9 R/ c! O5 |6 z
小弟一直都唔明...* ?  R; e! T5 f
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; h/ |9 g; q; I% B2 r: ?

) K; _. d  v$ D. `, [* s無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' R! v- u! `  g
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敬請各師兄解答% w  i( v, W9 J4 ^
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ! l. m& K4 j8 Y5 Y7 O. c" A
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic  l$ ?& \0 q8 h

& v, C/ M% }/ F6 A5 vhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) ]6 d; z1 B1 n. W, ?: P
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
: Q) M3 ?0 k8 Y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
3 I- s! K) w* e9 x" f" p個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* [9 b: t8 w: E0 `0 n
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' h; q) c& M( Y4 t1 ?- N9 f計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: F' ~' h' E' k1 v% a& ^
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( Z/ Z% j' a+ O/ R  L  c* P同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" g6 ?8 N" ^1 d0 M2 x0 j# X
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺+ l& c9 c/ N- O/ j1 \5 f; ~3 g
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / d0 ~3 |! i$ z4 L8 @
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) K2 F/ T9 Q2 ~9 P- G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# R8 u9 A' h. ?& g- s* n0 M0 [" J: H

& q9 ~7 E% O/ Y) m' M4 @你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- Z& g$ V( E: F, X但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ c/ c$ a, a6 _" y: X& r8 q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
7 [$ p* M, l( T5 ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 U" @3 ]8 B7 Q' c" E6 d4 [
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) c$ }3 S/ k* }& J5 t2 Y唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 K' V9 V5 C; P淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( J+ z: _( Y2 F5 V# F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ \4 ^6 @: _, \8 j2 }. c( [
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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9 U4 h: A1 y" e  X6 J6 w正係咁樣9 {9 t& B/ q7 I) y  l# }/ E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 Q8 L" m/ J3 T3 D' |4 p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 M8 c8 d$ ]( g; S! J* X

* U/ I2 ]) j# l5 x0 w) f$ ~; g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 D& a6 p5 w  m8 u; M9 W0 s+ A連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# \! \' ]1 q: y; T& f) @一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, T1 |; s. T# g
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 B0 r0 r2 J. Q' Q) K4 P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...7 J) W: r3 B; ^  v+ F
因為以前未生產, 先消費+ z4 Y5 V$ `, H8 [  _
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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