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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) _; }; ~# q9 K9 Y, p/ r; w6 s$ e9 y
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: O8 h( T% q1 q" d$ T
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
6 j0 W5 d0 t, ], ]% H1 R3 y9 Fso銀行可以不斷放款' t$ B/ T2 }4 W: y( Y8 c
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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; J4 @/ N* ]; |& y/ N- o% }>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# W, H. b( E+ ~& U) X
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ v2 W5 X6 O& Q8 T$ }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  X: A; V+ F  Jmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 ?1 f% Y% a, M/ d7 D" O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 k* g2 F+ ~" nAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- s! M; {8 m9 L6 Y7 H9 C2 Gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ i) ~2 V2 M  u$ K7 B( z3 g& D
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& C3 y/ h$ s. \# neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . {# P9 W1 h2 k6 i5 y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' k3 O2 Y& A9 gim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 E+ Q1 e9 C2 B/ rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ A. A. J9 J: L2 N# ^' q  u3 _
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
: Y8 y: s4 R, V: w, _A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! K5 ~: _' w) p: X  L; ~3 w+ _The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 S. G- q  Y5 `6 }but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 {( }: f6 o! L4 _0 {[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& f6 E6 G3 r" s  s' h+ P) @3 S
Refer to last example,
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Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + S# X0 b* S0 K( \/ E
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 a$ H' K) y" c- s$ c+ zA->B->C->D->E
' _% g# n: v) D* K! m' Aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 8 [6 p2 E" d$ ^5 z  |7 Y1 g
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! b. M5 H# J) b
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8 I, K" G+ n1 d% s5 ?$ {$ a& Ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 h4 k) {, u6 w) ?in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; T% i9 u4 @( c
it's the problem of the debt itself.; p: C7 _7 T" o8 v9 Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?7 O8 y* n- A: f' T3 }

* h9 Q' r9 ?6 t8 `/ D# I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) G1 @, _* U: h, R; }$ O

" b) ]: u+ `/ k7 p+ z" c7 g敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
/ F9 }( X, e0 {那些根本係 紙上財富  ' K1 r( |- v; W. U0 _+ y; W/ @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' e5 i, @! [2 O% j. T0 V' L  ^( f
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 |/ y, N. R2 P
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- F  i8 u. h- u$ Q1 @' g% \/ ?於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, d# w; g1 h' n
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 ^- ?8 Q% l  b7 j) _. ?6 @  Q) U
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 s) }# G/ q2 Z* }" E9 W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺! I- V) Q0 w9 h1 t# t# b1 I/ H7 C- [
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 ^( b1 V6 H. ]$ n& C
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- s* C& E5 o! F3 H% j
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 J6 x/ ^0 f$ q- L' D) v
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + W; a4 r- H6 z3 M, w" S* i* T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. z6 U7 Z$ h( R& E所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 k, Z# C9 W' L6 W9 C( Z
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' u: i/ m, @* N8 P5 ]
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 o" ?/ s2 a% e1 |2 `5 Z" z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / y1 W; C8 ]( W( e! o; _
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 X- E9 k4 l; i$ P' k) f4 x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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9 `5 Q" G5 \# D. p咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 K+ [0 h* q# ]( V" b# |  C分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 M( n4 A# N0 T: P8 e$ G
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ y6 v9 r# W# C! n: U連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# }9 F% u! k) B/ W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
4 E  V$ a3 K% B( @& ?編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, \2 a! k/ e2 `: [咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
% X& h# g( }- p因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 f4 `& k' S& t1 ?2 L4 N3 U& L' V! Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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