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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& v3 h, q& f4 R
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢" }4 A: o2 [" t# v0 _
so銀行可以不斷放款
$ ^  h4 k, P8 y$ S美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) v$ `& [" \% [

& i0 z/ ]( Y  ]0 g/ S1 Qmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
" L! X* f7 C* {6 x; ?" }>arranger: S3 ?3 Y5 n) f% T
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" e* G4 P* |5 q& @. C
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) ^- u2 ?& X; g% Q' O! a) r
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,. u, w# w. C) k+ q4 Z4 E3 J4 V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
2 m. Q4 A  b2 A$ dmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
, Q* d; ?) l4 jin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.4 C+ ?% r1 u, X0 I. t6 P0 T8 l) [4 I$ V
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- Q9 o4 [" H  S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 Y0 Y# G& K; c$ vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
9 i9 I4 k" s. O; keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , C! k% V4 W, D, W6 b3 q' D4 {
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ h+ K. A/ D8 X5 n; r
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 F/ y: L9 h+ p/ }1 w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 C) A  R4 O7 q+ lA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 D" ?) z* f2 q, n
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * C3 l* ^/ a5 ~
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ {) p; `4 C% s8 m0 I! q; wRefer to last example,3 U& B/ q: ^8 W5 Q9 }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / Z- x3 i0 P/ N' q0 l
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 P- T" i* l6 R& ~therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
; l7 v( z! b9 F$ X0 Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D, / x( j) G2 q; X3 _0 G! @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  f/ P! R# z8 Y) |1 _6 k, S. B* uin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( d7 S7 O" Y1 t! b3 {7 f2 j
it's the problem of the debt itself.) D) ?1 I  C% f3 \7 T$ l$ E5 r7 u
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: `! N+ Y: s" F7 b8 l! m# B小弟一直都唔明...5 I+ H4 |5 G/ O, x( Z0 S

1 @4 T+ G7 `8 @5 t0 J1 m% B全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; X+ P; y& g1 N! B! I% ~6 k5 ?

0 @  @7 K  Q3 \6 S; x8 U無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& c, D  j4 G9 g; F6 w1 V

/ J3 N. b5 K4 c" ], W( Y2 T$ I敬請各師兄解答* V8 \" X( }* f7 j0 c3 z5 @8 i
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # k# W: p7 s% V% ^2 ^1 G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 G) }. {' v- l, }' v6 B

8 H& \8 ?- C+ L: e9 nhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 q. @4 C8 W8 }% O4 Z7 S  |) y4 O5 g
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 F' s% M) |+ ~, Z$ R4 f( x! m於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; w* r) S1 p" s% A- d5 K個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ o0 ]# I6 ?! X# w9 a4 [9 c$ r
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; R/ W3 I9 S# ~9 U) K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 b7 ]; h7 c! C; g
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法. |* Y: J+ d& }0 t6 B8 e3 I0 A
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 ]. z' ]0 v# z  Q9 o) @
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% W+ g9 Z; v1 e7 i6 x% a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 h6 t7 ~" k8 `  K$ s" W咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' v6 e6 G6 {  V
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 `3 `5 X- }7 ~+ j
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 i& y) M: W3 J: j9 i5 E$ v; H淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; a4 r* c! P  Q  I; i9 h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! V. D, n+ a' F8 l唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 h& p( c" Y/ F6 g- m6 i4 I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- j# L7 R$ u! b( \: m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ {& s# ?; Z! A* |" W; D6 p
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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$ ?& L9 S. P) U6 l正係咁樣# g8 F3 X' m" Y4 W4 G' H: t
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 \) h. T+ E7 D& F& ?5 u8 ?
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 s3 C) {7 J4 L3 q

1 }" ?# V( {1 I, y5 V( J& J再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
. b, M) d: o' R9 V, S! D連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ P7 A  |4 E2 h6 X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) N, G- @  D' [/ a編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; U* V! n% m5 H6 y1 N# W
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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, K( g9 M' O. X' a1 c' J( q其實係...
7 e' B( K3 [3 _8 x+ F! E' U! C! `因為以前未生產, 先消費
$ L; r8 S1 N5 j0 T+ J( \6 O/ F而家就要多生產, 少消費
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