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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. ]3 ?8 F+ Q$ d2 w  k4 AWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ J% |% ~5 _/ uI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢) Z( O  b( n( f( m! {
so銀行可以不斷放款
3 K0 Z3 F( G! E: L  d美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! ^! J4 L/ G2 T# Q& u. x1 G& i
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mortgage loan ! \* I' b2 W. {, \
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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5 o1 ]+ R5 F/ B8 d  Q>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.0 \5 w6 S/ n% ^6 ]# S( Z) D- u1 b: U
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 O: X' M* C% _0 |, m9 ]/ ?9 m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# a. l8 u: g# x" [  a3 Rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. U% H/ [5 G3 p' @- o+ L2 |  I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% j; c2 P) E# ?/ l4 Y% yAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
. \; k; W9 I, M, ?similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  P( C+ V4 {9 Z# `2 enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; e- r: w: ]" t  peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
- o7 J' t6 G% z( n5 c5 x8 M7 @. |7 p; wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 T" @2 Z( c9 V$ H1 X0 f! j
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' X6 P7 S7 f7 `/ din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% j4 c5 d4 n) P% j0 \  j
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. ?# |- v3 `  `" N$ YA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
8 G3 W' K. z) YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 6 U1 `: G3 y7 b! z/ x
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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4 \( v  w  `7 L" ?3 ?! }5 L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( d! ~3 s3 @7 h, f. k
Refer to last example,
- J: ~- k4 H1 x9 r9 Xthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: Q8 l# P$ E1 L2 r" r; G. ~8 L2 B' |Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # z2 S: T/ ?8 w. Z; s0 c+ Y: j
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 Q( D# G0 L! b1 I- D4 Q7 nA->B->C->D->E# J( Y4 u$ o: x1 ~( L
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
2 Z7 ^' k% [9 u# S: w' i8 eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# w$ j! w+ j7 Z' J( q

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# b# @/ ~: Z5 F7 x: Z* ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 b. L, h5 ~- B; ?! _# K6 U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - c, k  M/ z0 y  E5 ]( B- F
it's the problem of the debt itself.# K  d  a9 k( b: L
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ }( l$ F9 @8 z, G8 E/ k
小弟一直都唔明...: {- ^# t5 W. w! p/ V/ y
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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" V1 _9 V! _: Q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 q3 g  \2 i0 b3 x2 N# N3 d1 }6 G

- h" V' x& O' X* o7 V: f敬請各師兄解答7 V& C5 s. P( Y1 U* V- n/ h* d
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Thanks
: z0 z( i% U, Y, w4 @那些根本係 紙上財富  ; o4 D$ y; @7 |  L  A9 L
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 I; l6 o6 g0 S3 L* K' Q& H9 v2 [
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  b  c1 q" P7 @: Q3 B# e& {. h當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. |, l- q, `% M; X) H0 Z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( A) v: l0 Q3 @  q$ U! V- Z0 j個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 S5 \! ^% O3 ^$ i- R
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 Z1 k- X9 b1 P# h- ?
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  {) ~9 `( m. K  [  u5 B前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 ]! r( p! s  i6 S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得7 r% ~  }$ r1 z0 e: L* E4 p
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 Y. M2 K! e- w: P
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 Q3 J: s" W$ q; H/ F1 c8 f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ @( m/ c+ _: K; f; [7 g9 o+ t; P2 N3 h所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! g$ X7 s0 g' u+ b* k. Y" y

% u$ e8 r3 P. ^! Q. |- g: O- ]你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 W# d5 m/ T! @- q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 V- S' F9 U; H* l1 F+ D: ~; y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 _5 x! i+ Z) I( z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  B0 [* Z6 }  i. Y) k
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 v- x7 ?+ c, l' Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 f% w% {0 `0 g0 E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
; p8 U! n, n' F4 I* ^/ n, B0 G2 A: }其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業! _. ]# ^2 N, M- i9 E' ^7 O: P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,! @: L% M- B  U0 S% q+ O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 d8 U1 I+ R! d0 l+ d0 |  A一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( E) F9 h0 |5 k# n! k6 `0 c編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ o! i0 c+ s: v- r' M
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 }0 C1 P/ X$ ^因為以前未生產, 先消費! R* \, G( Y8 J& l
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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