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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 u7 y2 f- m; {( T9 |8 w) o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 t- W$ d+ e8 o8 a$ q. }* X- PI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢4 W! S# B% P1 r7 j$ U* n" J1 O
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 C! |3 \7 s4 ^" T! N. r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; d6 V  T1 u3 _' w
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mortgage loan
6 B: I, F* \& _7 O4 w8 S" C>conduit
7 u9 S' |6 V4 f6 b- M* n>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( y) t* y3 o- ^% L
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
7 h/ F1 W5 E: p最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.. ^' {  ?3 d9 o. A- T
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: F7 o% B, w( w& e: t# ^) c
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ ^% Z" a$ F, `
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* l; I* I- n4 @5 y# d
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# f4 m6 J- M3 s. M( X" G7 ]Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' K3 @/ n8 `* |# ]6 \. h7 K
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
$ k0 i/ e: m( j  H/ Onormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & s0 p7 p9 {9 E6 A+ }  V6 E/ A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 5 t0 y+ c- W) h# }3 _* r' f
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% O) K/ N6 \9 y2 @; @, h8 d
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.! a5 @/ f- m# c
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.$ M! K4 I, ^) |" k! S+ C1 T
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( p+ h3 e( d5 G- OA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; C8 J; a" Q2 ]  O2 R; AThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  m/ y3 e$ q) {# ^but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 r$ s1 M9 C; U) p$ I
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 h) r& Q" r' L% ^% ]* lRefer to last example,4 H$ C. z" i" P# ~9 \6 U9 L& o
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' N4 s" `2 Q4 n0 ]
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' b7 R8 G" }% {therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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, v( h2 r1 A# i) F0 I6 A( Q3 TA->B->C->D->E
  [3 @% T  _" cso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
# I9 o" k! C+ j5 tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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% Q: m) W0 I2 A3 T4 athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) H+ K. ?% E3 f) o  R# n. n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% z3 @9 G! t' a7 G3 L8 M' cit's the problem of the debt itself.  g6 y: H' x7 y, ?
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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1 a2 X. N0 U8 m* ]1 K全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: _5 m) f. T0 K: ?1 N  b% _無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., }% N2 W3 Z/ K3 x5 f7 Z

+ p+ @# P0 s$ t- P敬請各師兄解答$ p+ ]9 U7 F0 x# |+ L3 B2 `' I+ q

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" P" {/ l' j$ s& X9 b$ t那些根本係 紙上財富  
, i( y, p* s/ D/ W# ~6 ?- ?. W' q各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 r" u9 y% G8 E2 N( N) g

  y8 S' t7 c( Qhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 ^" Y! l3 c3 b  u6 v# T$ O- h當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. M: W! o4 i. O' m7 m
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# h  o/ n! t' H( p. |& b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' [+ u* t8 u  N- |3 a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 H) T6 s" h0 p2 h! F; n5 D: E
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
3 u  }' s) t6 ]; Y, b2 H前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" v' n3 t6 {2 V. ~) A! n
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 f2 h. l. V/ r) w5 l4 z9 {- H
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 I4 M- [& o# d
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 v0 _3 n6 o0 R  C7 U' `) y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 a- g6 K! W7 w$ Z" p5 d! ?9 j所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 c2 z, ?. g' o" F$ M' P& m5 A
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ; g. L/ e# B8 ^. I/ ]* ]
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % V  L: T( {  i/ `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 Z& t7 y$ N3 {6 V; t呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ^/ }( Z1 l8 v8 c# ~3 m5 ~+ Y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 ]0 Y  q8 U, y4 c( G$ k
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 l3 y/ \" T5 q/ u5 ?3 P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
7 w4 e9 @8 E: Q6 P0 W' K) u! S其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. h2 U  z. p8 L7 X# x. s
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢: T2 ~0 G" L/ A0 m6 d5 `: R

* z. {3 s6 z! N+ h* v3 Z7 I再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' t8 W5 [6 _, `; q+ b) t連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
0 r/ e9 F+ G" z1 ~0 G  u一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' ]1 T3 l* u: _1 J編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! N" C+ ?) w# _  L) r- b
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
; L1 J; p" u7 x/ T/ h3 w因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 i" T; o1 G% x9 g3 u+ @% ?而家就要多生產, 少消費
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