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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  c# Q/ b0 B) t  h$ ~5 c7 N
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???0 u! t8 n) o( ]0 |" f6 k
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, f" {- i  S, u3 W
so銀行可以不斷放款/ I* t3 z$ T: b7 c  W( r
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 i- {% \9 C' E5 @

3 `9 b* H' y! e/ G! f7 Y  amortgage loan
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( V$ d# t6 B( b: Z; ]>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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/ Q3 P: M1 E9 G6 S8 e0 ?+ w0 t, C( f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. y+ x& X! z2 d+ ~6 vCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,2 [4 |& @( b' e
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 u( d/ q- m  z
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( B8 K+ |2 |: F" k% t  _
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# H( N, z+ p) Q( Y# [6 V3 N1 TAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* T# V8 R& b$ Y, c" ?; esimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 M( b! L" D( e! \' e) o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
: u4 p) m3 L! q) g; h* P- \eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ a4 V1 g. `4 @, ?/ ?7 m1 g+ p
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ u' u: t: w+ T- N  Him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 {8 }( M8 E1 |) B1 a: P) t6 W1 A, P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.' ]0 {( k) g, X* I$ V
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- J. N7 d1 d' [7 [9 u
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.' @( K: S4 s$ T' K. c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 6 `+ h& O5 M; ]8 F/ b8 m6 \
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* c$ v% @$ ^. q0 f! C
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* ~) _9 h* N& r6 N1 P0 V. w
Refer to last example,
+ ^$ l. T4 l6 y, }  {& gthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' L  |% H. W8 F" v, `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % Q  M( M( X$ t& s. D
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 _. l& i6 W' T) B6 AA->B->C->D->E, D4 |. R" P! j. G# N
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) ?; i- p6 I+ g' L6 j/ [
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, : \7 x- v% X0 ]3 b1 q9 z
it's the problem of the debt itself.
: }) d8 Y5 _. S6 a$ H7 Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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/ V, q8 x) I. w8 E! R敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
9 j. B1 }7 Q3 B7 J& J& h那些根本係 紙上財富  
# ]4 _) l' D1 K7 G各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic( U* J3 t3 c1 u

1 y* j" [7 n! s9 P" c  Vhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) k) |7 A! z3 N6 l當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& v- b% I. h( S: v於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ M2 r+ a; X3 J5 u% }7 q: s1 L+ X. L; V個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦4 o, j9 A$ b- t  [
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," V1 k. A, Z: g- X  x0 p- a* ]% L. ?0 S
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. }, i+ y; b' B# `* z8 h前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# ^0 n  r0 u" C0 T9 U, T同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 g9 m+ M6 d5 |' ^* J/ D但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺/ _( A4 a* _& y* J
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 h1 [( q6 F6 q) ^2 K; ^7 z
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* x7 V  h6 A7 w! _所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; }* s% r7 [% t" J/ s: ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 Q8 m5 O9 p2 M& U- C8 E2 V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( T$ z: e: c" O2 k2 p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) o2 J. V8 O! {# U. X1 ?3 J3 [, a
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 k4 Y8 R( O- z: v! ^
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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正係咁樣
/ V7 a8 X, T: Q0 A8 [4 I+ W# u其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  u8 S% T% g' d) P- |
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; C( w/ x1 D) X- Z/ H9 x1 f  Z) I/ U連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ O1 Q" `1 _9 Q" z3 e" t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 I4 R; t* g# t" T7 ~0 ~' g編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: h, \: @$ c8 Y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: H$ e% X6 u( h4 M" D$ L, g: O; ~, }其實係...
% e) y$ l- K: @% b* }因為以前未生產, 先消費
" |  h8 q4 {5 h4 d( x- i% Q" W而家就要多生產, 少消費
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