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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# R0 o7 R' C3 C9 X5 \, a' rWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& ~8 T$ a' Z/ v2 {7 X
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
# T- R' f) o6 j' x; vso銀行可以不斷放款
4 j+ P+ d# d1 n& w美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, q; o: e) C* J

+ d1 e* D% J+ t$ N/ Dmortgage loan 4 u* |6 n) l( p3 I% W6 P# k
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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: I/ `. T- y. s7 I3 O>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)) U+ f' _5 J; j6 l! S8 M
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 \. n- [  D/ k+ ^! M" x! |! uCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 k3 w- t* P# M) _
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) m  D, e3 W" {* }, b
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. l3 U  S* @" \1 G
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: w3 Z7 Q8 D# H( K  m5 _$ k& pAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 E( W% ^+ c+ _6 q% Xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: |. v6 Z: \6 P/ e, M+ b9 inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * i. `- a3 h' Z- W" u- z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 O" i+ B5 O5 J' ?, R, Zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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8 z& H- ~4 S- N/ H/ uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# J/ c  W: A& h) x$ y, T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ t& L1 ^5 t2 U* [- l# ~
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 P$ n+ j1 x% SA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. g8 S6 g1 L4 s1 N" j2 R: @6 TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
* P, z5 N4 O, y* A# i6 q, f$ lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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- j8 G) W1 p! F, k5 h' O4 K[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ s5 u& W& l% p7 {) P9 w
Refer to last example," G" t! @6 n, B
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ w, ~* T  B2 V# aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( r( r5 ^% }; f$ w% k4 Y# Z6 Ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
  g( [0 B0 ^, h9 \. w+ ^* Iso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( N3 s6 I# v' X) |! l" j5 f
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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, y' P# c. X) ]9 k* vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 i) N4 c; d% Y
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
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the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& ^  f& c" F5 a8 i3 C
小弟一直都唔明...2 ^' `7 d( ^* b$ N3 @7 J& ]5 Q
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
) r1 y) S* ^* }5 p, o& t各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, w$ k7 F) P% _9 ^
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高% m+ `6 d6 ~$ p1 s& a
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
0 a* b' C3 j  I- u1 m* v8 r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: ]/ t5 ~; K: P7 t- W% z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 W- P+ F) U8 \7 Z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 m, ]2 E3 `( L- A7 a: |1 `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* U+ N& V8 ~- T+ V同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 S- o' Y$ t$ b7 W3 b* h/ F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ r. W6 g) c9 H. W( \5 f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, : O3 y9 t8 ?4 L( L
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" ^- O( |1 z; Y7 S8 {
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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1 \& A; U5 |! c# j6 E* k4 _8 G你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
: J& O1 |$ n% C& Q- L" P9 l! M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   n7 F) }8 N8 x" o: s( p& r* v
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + f! G: G- v" r
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' `; Y* p* P. q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 z/ V6 o9 {1 w2 N( n9 @8 j0 p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 S% c0 I( {, ?+ r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 F% }$ J5 `& c2 v, h* r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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/ g/ G5 e* B. w% d; z) V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 u+ u0 d/ a. r$ z3 t+ r) ~
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 y% n6 g) z4 c; X* G, R+ E
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產" R: ]8 @/ Y; y; _
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 P5 d4 m/ _, D
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 L/ t" l; o' z! {* B$ b因為以前未生產, 先消費  {2 d9 m, F4 y- M; J# {  W
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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