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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 q. j) b2 F) f& C  {
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 O1 _: ]# I8 O  yI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢* s9 ^% P! ^( D9 ^; _- _3 _
so銀行可以不斷放款
( o& w- t% k& n2 a美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 E. U6 ?  C0 h- n6 |# ]

; _- F% X2 O, `: @mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ h  H& F; R; F" R! ]
>arranger
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
: O% a$ ?/ k8 y0 dCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
3 n7 {: K* t' A0 @3 J4 H$ H8 X$ Dmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ E  L0 f2 e) O6 R
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 w" v1 C0 J) E# B/ D: R7 b( d- j' U+ t
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# g6 V# x, k8 K% W* lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
9 S9 x" D5 C5 Ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
$ E6 @$ a+ G" b4 g* i  F1 ~  Nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
: d* z/ D" X  `7 ?, `8 {+ f7 Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" \* ?/ [; ^( u* q* vbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 T4 _. H7 }  a) j* Y  z9 Q. \0 b
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% y5 v* ]1 ?) |! M; ^. P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- ?1 o) Q+ |8 x5 j  U0 P3 X. S
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  s+ h+ Q% H! q2 u6 G( tA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
" N* ]0 f! [  Y6 nThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ' {3 U0 T& ?, M6 x
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* ]6 A& k0 E! M: n* }& f
Refer to last example,
! F0 P9 n0 J3 s3 a5 D- \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
3 @( X! |! j) q% HBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 f) w5 |$ ?' |  V1 ?$ ?therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 P* G; }) L1 g5 c; xso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
. R( R! Y$ H6 l: s1 wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, b( o) ~- E. P( K1 F% bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 S7 L& F2 |- o% w8 e$ u& Git's the problem of the debt itself.
: V3 H' v/ b$ Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 z" x5 Y# x  }+ s- S- H' G1 x
小弟一直都唔明...
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$ a  @! P# [- E全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) e- \. P, \3 O" s/ z  I
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... T# m, a8 M8 r, y9 B5 g

- c* e: J: R# F: g, e敬請各師兄解答( u* `* |0 x+ z/ W% n3 S

5 Y& c! B  v/ P, j" FThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  + S: \8 ]4 q- e5 ]3 i
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic. P7 p' x8 y8 E+ Z
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# m" r2 L! t2 w& o/ [
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高2 e1 c6 v1 `/ z0 s
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 ^* z6 C' A& p8 ]
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! f' B( _+ d8 {1 a
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: r6 k- R/ u) S: P計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; V4 |! p& @) A" @) Y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 D  K+ v% M# e! S9 N同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 R/ @* l# ?4 ?5 j
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! u8 T) c* M8 Z- A例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 R) Q5 y0 S, ~4 z' N' l" f' S
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. h( t/ `/ U+ y1 k' Y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. q  Y6 V; }5 Y. ?: z

, S& y6 I7 b) t" `9 v7 o你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
1 s* a/ N5 g( n+ I但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 Q$ p0 j% _* C& q: M9 s' n* r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 X; P" v. `4 o& d' |- W+ I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! u3 K  p1 W( E3 Q2 z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 v  U- D. B$ h: X9 P
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& s1 m$ F+ ^* H7 r$ S7 q8 D6 O5 N6 C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . a7 ^8 T( c( e" {4 O
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣  E; p3 A& q2 d4 r
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' ^* [3 E/ E3 O& B8 M
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 x  M- M7 D  U$ y! w

! t! j* e2 k# G! M: n9 H! K# E4 [5 l再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ y6 r5 P# `1 @6 m. K- |; U. J
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 A, L( T7 h/ I& v- ^一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% G# |; x, b3 X* I. ^  m# d
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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0 I% r/ c# m: {6 e其實係...
# [% Y7 B& Y- d/ s: c3 g: O* F6 N因為以前未生產, 先消費9 i- J* v& }& g% P/ B; `
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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