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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& s( P, L% T1 e" h, T) s
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 e! j6 t" ^1 L0 n: r/ o4 EI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢$ |" J5 `& b. B8 F3 J, Q
so銀行可以不斷放款2 P5 P, P# d1 ~" P( B9 H/ B
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 O) b/ i9 @$ p1 N4 N" t
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mortgage loan 1 x1 r7 G& F; f/ Q
>conduit% j& D% R: _' {+ B3 u/ C: t* i
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! m0 d/ y' o8 m% J0 H3 `, ~# O
>arranger
4 ?( Z! Y( I: {  J& i- ^- j>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
9 E2 @% f$ |5 c最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 _$ o& \6 A. O# _- HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, h3 X  ~2 W- x( _& E* c9 gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 H3 M4 u3 t$ `% N+ N( m2 {main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 d0 e+ K3 D! e6 e" k+ r* n2 ]in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. o& V8 {( o& VAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 `+ }; ?$ A7 n  i
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 j& \$ t+ j% V' Q4 E# N! n) xnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 5 D* ~6 Q& J4 g+ o1 ^
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! R$ q5 }2 @$ z+ Q; J
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 l: Y  y* h$ \& E8 E
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 T( l' x  J* o; F8 G  RFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ r+ L% M- F' I& D# b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 _3 K$ h# J* M2 r8 X* JThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % L, e; B( V2 \* ^8 [0 K$ B
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! q; l' j/ i1 B3 i3 h1 ^! q" j

( d" O' ?, i* {5 F5 H0 q[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: M) b6 S! }; O- l, O2 \Refer to last example,
" ?( J& o# H  j$ j+ ?. H6 _that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: t6 J6 X* b5 ~7 b- Y; qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 [+ d+ K, R4 r5 X; ^( h! U# b
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 w2 i- P8 v7 d7 b7 B, \0 MA->B->C->D->E
& {. y3 w' ^/ d2 a2 g2 Q8 j3 kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 c2 Y  D6 S5 ?
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 S9 V! h% R! M$ @, y
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( ]/ S. x+ A* o) Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & A$ ^6 L# x+ x7 L, f* k
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
9 e+ o- J) L9 \: mit's the problem of the debt itself.
) r$ c3 C2 t; k' [the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' n7 F3 M4 {9 a/ I0 W2 K: ?
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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! P8 l1 u# p9 H8 v7 g無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 |% B$ K+ O7 Z8 J: B
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敬請各師兄解答- D' H& X3 v2 G; \$ f. H$ k
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  : q$ w+ l& j3 b5 U- P
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 h: i4 W' v1 r% X
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ {0 Z9 m2 O( E  ^7 k$ s當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' I2 T0 J, o( I' _* T# i
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 F3 m  t& }. @: M8 \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ r: d5 }) s6 Q' l9 \8 R- B3 \: q7 G
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,& E/ E- q  J& Y5 B# u0 J: [  \
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
& E* R) e; h# ^& m; x. R+ Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# t6 `1 ~9 C1 j7 W5 _
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 Q5 m4 i( ~5 J1 Z5 L但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺+ K1 e4 O! S. C& }7 p- ]
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 s9 R! K* g6 K) r! x* T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ [9 ]" S; p% x( u所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 x5 U6 |; n$ c

/ a! q& \" h6 z: A你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + Z5 p3 y' Y- z" e
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 _1 p( J. I& Q/ n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! [6 Y  A; {$ @  D呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% v, l" x% s( p: p
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( e. p* Q& n# I! U, K0 ]* N唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' E3 c: p: W6 |% C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; B5 u, n" d" l$ F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- Q2 s$ u' q8 |
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
! I. r& }& \) C+ V其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' e. j6 i$ Q: k6 d5 z  W0 E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢$ n# H$ q' ^$ Q; \. h5 w) L1 F0 B

6 Y  Y; c4 K2 u- f1 e3 O/ }3 Z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 ]7 P5 O7 f7 Z3 J: C& D
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ R! E& c& t7 b& |) t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ a9 j+ J% N& y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 y, x# m- y, o+ ?( ^* _
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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& f5 J$ u7 u% v2 {+ @+ f其實係...: X. l1 x& m& F; T2 }$ V9 G
因為以前未生產, 先消費+ F( q4 n2 J$ ]+ A, R- j  t, \: X
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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