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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* l9 z5 s$ |* Y, N3 o- g+ L9 \Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 l0 _% N. z( f8 L" j0 {: x1 ~8 Q6 T
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢; w: ?& d$ _5 l6 P' o" L* m
so銀行可以不斷放款
; W& A$ _" ^' U& ^* q' V; ^" D2 p美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities), M# b+ s- J; U% s% X/ [) D
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)5 A7 O# d; C5 A
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ |% o6 L5 e! p; k
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 ~/ j& _* {3 D/ u8 n! }# yin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 g+ r% x; U8 U( ~2 K% d6 oAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% _( g/ n9 o7 A) T  m- @* s6 asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
) x  C" F9 |& B$ _normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* J- G1 d+ o) C$ Y: V2 g% Z2 Teg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ N* e3 H! C8 Ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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! B4 n/ V7 k2 b+ l& L/ zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ j7 u9 D8 v7 H
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
$ H1 v( p) p2 j3 ^7 D( T% CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! X, k2 h# ^0 C4 n4 p* }
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
8 v. f1 b! Q4 v- FThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ Q/ {  o, B# _# z
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# e, t7 o% c; ]" P$ V( k
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* x1 d4 R* D, FRefer to last example,# ^7 o- f3 B% V/ k- u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ Z, }3 u/ m( F. l) p8 z+ dBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , T: Q  k5 O6 ]7 r% r; t# O8 q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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9 x7 G7 ^# @) i9 _A->B->C->D->E
0 Y8 \$ \4 j% T+ _so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 @; k* Z7 L% g( j) a
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?6 }" s9 m% P% U* z+ C7 L
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 7 J& R+ E) n9 F, k% n/ ]! U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' `! U$ p% M6 Q+ z8 T% j
it's the problem of the debt itself.
7 h$ g  p2 A/ ~. {the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 J+ R- X, z5 d+ u
小弟一直都唔明...) p  ^0 s0 D0 c) ^& b) L2 U% M6 y

3 j* T* |; s& r, i- Y; K. n全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 o" ~) w" P# Z9 A

* ?* P  X/ _) y敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富    g) t$ r4 R+ s1 n6 s
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. N; G# s( ]" `8 k( ]  `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高9 {/ Z  ]. ?9 h& _( o$ e( O
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& C6 Y  ?: ~# w9 a% A* q2 `7 z, M) f% \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" w& C2 e! A+ P4 i
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' d' P9 q7 F3 s3 i4 c: c計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 }2 C" e1 t. [5 h" T$ ~& S前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
/ w8 G5 s$ u5 p& Y# ]同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: b) _2 U/ H9 R' r* w3 f3 b
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺1 A+ @( u3 E# E  _
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, _, g  Z- F+ G' p1 m咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 h; S" `/ }% H5 E' \4 a& I所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! C/ h4 B: u0 C7 a1 W
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( T# O9 F4 \% \5 I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 W1 j& O3 D, o" l5 c5 }9 k
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ ?9 h/ H5 p6 Z2 f唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 P& X1 C  q1 u1 p( p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - Y' X/ X  v2 M) F6 I' d8 C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& V' l* q% R2 \# K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
7 ~5 M* H3 q$ g6 x- n7 W* Z3 t: m! v, k其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, {1 C7 ?" o" }! b' B: z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  T+ N. r! y8 m
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% \7 U7 v- q, T+ n& y3 k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% x8 C8 y7 D9 Q1 J1 V+ A* |
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 z( ?5 \9 L# u5 ?. e/ {因為以前未生產, 先消費. g: S0 A- v1 @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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