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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 H, F4 M4 F4 E# t" b" Y
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 Y8 y4 d" p8 ]& b2 @5 YI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 K% I% @  N$ Tso銀行可以不斷放款; U; Y* Q7 w0 ?7 ^: f, F) f/ i+ A
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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* \. ^' E2 B' N0 Bmortgage loan
& H" ?9 q8 ~+ N3 w. T! ]6 P" T>conduit
2 U, I2 O( y; z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): H; s4 R0 n7 R/ x9 T
>arranger
" y+ L3 x/ ~4 E) O- T>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)9 ~& G1 ?8 Z3 y% {. q6 ~1 ?+ q; K
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ @8 ?$ l' S/ d$ }CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: z2 @. E4 b7 w% x6 V0 K3 y, v6 K( S6 q& Wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
* D; J8 e1 W: X' U5 I% L& n1 wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 |9 x& ^8 b: \5 O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, F/ L) @4 s9 T* L7 F8 z7 _Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 ~* x* F1 W# ]7 zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% y: H0 R! o. z2 e
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
- U- {/ h5 @) I5 `eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 Q) h6 q$ j; h* A
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! j- C. M& e/ }; j) Zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. L$ k$ S: Y2 \, N: c8 XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' _6 w0 u: M; EA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 e5 C9 t, f' ], \5 a1 Y* FThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
( v  e: `$ [) x* Bbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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' J3 A6 _4 L! F: S+ l/ a3 p# _[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ N8 _" ~' e( R+ Z; D) BRefer to last example,
: s& \2 q: R+ a5 R. `that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 e0 a3 f3 u3 g+ F5 h; l8 ?
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . |, ~9 {+ ?7 D  a1 D% c. d) r
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E: G/ I* R8 G8 Z$ q( O8 B3 ~5 d' I; a
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( d! X; _! Z) m- fall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
- ?2 ?  m' k$ N8 `# D3 ^in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  K2 d. v5 h3 S8 W% f- ?  Tit's the problem of the debt itself.7 u" d6 p" Z- D& k8 E. B. \
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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! T4 }9 o' I# E7 w% i* s2 g8 R7 }9 J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ d" C/ ]$ z: j6 [3 }5 O
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答3 G& \$ `% v+ N
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
2 Z; E! k1 f$ J5 t) ~- y各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 H" R! ?6 q1 g

/ A* \" U4 M1 ?: ~% j% O/ X& O- M) vhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. u& e; o8 g9 \2 H6 U& @7 I1 z; p當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 f' F% y2 W9 U: o$ K  _' ]8 {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# p7 b  Y9 ?: Y- o0 Y; k個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 L2 C5 B, e7 t: O0 P: W
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
5 \, C7 R+ e1 ^& n# S計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( k# n! m' z+ z' x4 `& E
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& g; t5 t6 _  _; o6 t
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! z: K# f- w% O6 H1 p# G但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# x3 ]- m2 H7 M7 R2 U例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ( b, I1 [, i. U2 z3 F: S
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) N/ d, t' t, A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / K% F* j2 J: Z* O" a0 n- m% K* A0 B
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: X8 z9 X" O0 o# I$ f7 g/ j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 n( @' w0 ~$ W, P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  \/ h$ x% j2 z* B3 N4 M0 C: ~唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# \0 ?. T1 m+ f& O: i( Z7 H: M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 f5 m3 n0 U% @% d  s/ Z$ `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# j" [: [2 V. }3 W+ N
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣; M/ \/ u" T" K0 L; s8 k
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 Z- b0 u7 }* X8 Q2 ]; }8 L' B9 |
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 L) e6 u3 l/ j. H6 z! y. V

) I) P" f6 v7 x" ~  I: A再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
6 M+ _! o% f7 Q/ J& c& E- z7 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
4 o( p0 b3 \3 g: p( D$ }/ P! ^. D一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 N0 X! P: W0 j$ z" U5 Q( p編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 j/ ?. k7 A: G( K) s
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
" g" o# D2 }: |% h因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 F4 V7 C$ K. X/ G9 A  ^而家就要多生產, 少消費
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