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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# i9 a/ X- j# C/ y/ {. D8 g
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; C1 C& l  K, W- F' ^I was so confused.....
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& t  d5 |/ r( i% r/ Z- U8 o6 H講到尾都係賺錢  r* R3 a; k; z! `+ K
so銀行可以不斷放款: w2 V" c" N+ {% ?5 k$ j
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& n7 d9 ~+ Y2 g8 ^0 J/ Q8 p- |5 G
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mortgage loan
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7 U; v5 V9 z' w* S3 `2 w$ X>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& s; J2 j( G" [8 u
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
  E8 p" R6 r1 OCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& g: T# q* }* [3 O4 Nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.9 y) V9 Y  ^" _* |: A
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 C$ w( f; D' U( {, c* A' ^6 {, |in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 G4 |6 j6 ~3 s, s7 @" LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- X/ l- k2 c/ s/ [+ T: t8 s3 _( ~similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,& s( F5 I. `  x( h) A8 D# H
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
3 H+ H/ V$ j" Y5 F1 seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 h7 ]0 J/ p# J7 I
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
- A9 B  F# s5 Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ ^  p' r, C! _) T: L. V0 P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  m1 N" C* @  E- [" U! w! B; RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., _) l' o  k$ I
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; j0 Y/ U1 i; T+ }) e% E
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 J; H  b* p7 m) \" C
Refer to last example,
8 S& L; i3 v5 o; k6 H& kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 P. \! s9 Z+ Z, x5 O" C/ XBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , {3 Z4 X- \  w1 i
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 w- Y6 C2 G; T8 T8 y1 tA->B->C->D->E+ z/ w  X0 c/ Q1 [8 z4 H; L
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , e! M& L5 O" b
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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5 C" u- y/ ^- x2 |$ {7 h6 cthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , ^- A9 p- T# l  [1 C8 E5 T2 {! F. U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 e0 L& {2 p" g6 ^1 s
it's the problem of the debt itself.7 @. B0 k7 |9 g) {' @5 I
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: y9 g8 ], d+ d/ ^  W) v
小弟一直都唔明...
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; D/ r* T' Y4 a- T6 n全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: {/ B9 s0 c" T3 S. S: ~無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ P- |3 z+ L. F  |+ J7 H6 g

3 C0 K4 |3 d  V敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
4 l; j8 @* B* e各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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8 G# F- b" M* B' T+ D- mhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  E; |0 Q; e* P. J當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  W: R: _# Y" h& B7 |1 p, M
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" W' r2 b! i- ~$ ?6 s( {個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ T. n+ G2 ~8 r# ^3 K( o9 {扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 f  _, H( U$ h, e
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' N4 x) j6 f  G, k% I* Q$ }
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" T7 r2 r' n/ Q/ ]1 i: h
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 p2 _3 v/ l, Y! k4 ]: }- t
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 O: s/ K" N0 ]9 J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; {% L3 _* u3 v3 I2 ^7 O咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& v0 H- H0 l2 z1 \  R所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 p8 ?$ M* Z; e* k/ j
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 l. T; x6 x% B: X4 @0 S但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   _7 W/ J; x5 ]5 W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 ?: P5 e" d3 l0 _  Z+ z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 E, e+ s! }8 @1 f: J
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" I6 U7 K" @  w* W5 R
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & v5 H& Q  N/ X0 O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " t# |* J+ X( W4 J& m! L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 D9 S+ W( @. Q2 x$ d咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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- Q$ q* l: e: m, R$ [: N8 b正係咁樣% S4 v3 t+ Z5 p; N% z! B4 M! X, q4 e
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 l" ]* F6 A0 s: T分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
8 V+ m4 m. |+ B5 z" {: U4 g! Y: p連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票" l' Q' G% i2 X/ U. e" Y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ q& t- k6 H# E: K) G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 [. ^+ e  n3 O) z7 }4 B
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: p6 X4 b8 {$ J& o3 @, {其實係...
3 H$ k+ f2 g0 l7 N- i因為以前未生產, 先消費
; V. t' P1 B; k3 o/ L$ D而家就要多生產, 少消費
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