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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% X; D) r, I5 E5 X' l- e2 JWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 g+ C+ S& o* F6 ]. r! y/ _I was so confused.....
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) \- V( n. X: k& b: C) N5 b講到尾都係賺錢
2 A, g& K$ _* r' N8 ]3 Lso銀行可以不斷放款& }: Z" o( {6 R; R9 j# v! ]
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 I6 M+ A' |! ]& [' P8 t

& M$ i/ j( P  ^" P! Ymortgage loan # V+ O: U" _5 z$ Y5 w5 w
>conduit
! q* Y, z4 M4 J>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 ?' @, E) ^2 d* ~! r! ?6 Q/ a" j
>arranger
' `2 m1 K! A# W: n. c>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 R7 Q# s0 f: l$ X7 v0 i7 i( h) D7 [' p
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% k7 w8 f% l, N5 ?. }more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
8 z7 B6 {2 D+ h, Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,: |0 T) F+ V2 ]4 g
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.) O1 _! ~7 `3 |. G- S2 g
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." G! \- e% A/ f7 }- S( z/ ^% O; }
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 j( V5 _# V" L8 G% V, M% Cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) v/ g8 T: R2 b3 m" v  \/ g, n. f# G
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . Q" o. `: r6 r: [7 b, Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( D, o; ?3 k8 H6 C4 k+ n
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 T1 f' X! w/ y" p; U% W
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; G; V9 T1 O+ a5 lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' q' V- z" {7 q3 p
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ x9 F8 ^) R% D0 U# aThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 i" |7 t7 U) }& {6 Dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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, M/ F" Z3 ], B: }& X# b  f$ ~[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" u7 b9 p3 Y( B% rRefer to last example,' V3 ^6 W- V; n) Q6 O5 O
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
' n% k/ F% z& K2 B1 E9 p6 Q& R# LBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- A6 ]2 n2 [) @( q, J. B: Ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
, ?7 g( t6 d: j, C( ~. P) c5 L0 wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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; g( J! }8 J* b# V0 }2 J: Z! Ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ! F+ {7 C* s% r  C  ~8 y
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 X# d- N: J: M6 X! v
it's the problem of the debt itself.
* `0 @0 {; `5 z% Wthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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0 G- U$ p7 L4 f& y  A) a3 R. t3 U# y* f全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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5 w) a1 O+ y* K. w敬請各師兄解答
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7 ?4 E/ X. |$ k+ l1 xThanks
0 P5 o/ t$ x, e" X; E  W& B那些根本係 紙上財富  
  o: P8 `2 n4 W/ b各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
0 c% T; e# ]9 h# u0 p3 W當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 u& I3 V; s. _) S# f8 G% \於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 u( u$ c9 k0 O9 f" _* N個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- O; f) X& B- J# Z) L* Y
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 \; Q: L5 D# T/ L. p, S% n9 {( X5 g計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" L& x  z, v0 |前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
! B! H# W  N8 J$ s8 q- X7 A同埋個市場既前境要係好先得5 y& r* O% U4 E9 h+ F" K3 {8 h
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) Z% d7 O7 D5 H/ X& X5 g
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; A& u5 U  o8 e3 E6 V) r9 f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 l, O2 j, x7 w! E所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* l/ p  P& a! v: U( s
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 7 h$ ?5 g" l  f) P' b' d
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 j& S8 \/ D5 I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # O7 A9 u0 X  ?. {. f/ G9 j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ q: c6 h( {" e  f3 _+ G
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  x( q" d" |" g4 M2 n/ a
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 C9 G) s; [  t7 q/ T9 v+ A淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) T" r& z; j+ t+ Z" ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
* D% o% i! H; m7 _0 r, I1 {咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣- f7 W% z5 ]' v8 m; E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, G( P, `( P4 N& U' x9 C1 \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. i0 D7 b( d& R! v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- d% b2 A/ [% v9 G+ j3 }一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% P% D7 ~1 i) y- r: |3 H- M( ]8 v& |# O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 |* x; l7 T7 B9 A; Z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 {1 E/ O) D' M' v& P其實係...
  K; ^9 ?+ X. `9 E因為以前未生產, 先消費
/ B" N+ ?$ s# V' }7 F而家就要多生產, 少消費
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