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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ w) [  K9 i2 ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! p" a, y2 t2 f9 z
I was so confused.....
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1 M5 M% M% _1 q" g" ~講到尾都係賺錢
7 P7 s$ u$ f6 d. ^so銀行可以不斷放款
/ t$ E+ v/ d. W$ @+ [美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 6 Y+ }! S9 B/ t9 Q; o
>conduit
* j4 V7 o6 H; A& s6 G  o9 s7 Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
# |9 E) w0 E$ N3 c>arranger
7 T: m0 j+ L# \/ F( n  U0 u>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
8 c5 ^% {* C1 v8 ^( Q  s  z最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
$ J$ B- q1 i( |CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ T/ h5 k0 ^1 R4 c. x, v9 Y5 U, Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 P2 q! U4 R  n$ j  I% _7 K. A: l
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ K4 C6 p! |9 ^$ _" N/ J
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' t* e9 {' z+ y4 h4 C8 o" E! }Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
" u3 |/ t) L* R- p5 f  ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," }% E& M9 g8 r, Q9 Z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; |; g% \/ H" Z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 ?1 O! Q% M) e
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) I5 S' l/ {9 x% f, d2 F
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* F: o+ b2 N6 }+ h6 u9 @2 Q+ sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% U2 k( h: p% ]) f) eFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% O, I( u5 }6 ]- h' r* G" C
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. o3 P: e% B7 ]  {4 v. UThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / V* z  u' t4 s, `$ E- i9 ^
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% `& S& C8 O' [

' N9 [  ]: ]( e! u[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 p& r1 R- T; S+ k
Refer to last example,
9 T0 B: O* v7 @that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 k" u& x/ @  u+ r; J9 d1 f
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 J4 {; ^4 U' j! A  }0 |5 Ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E4 C2 k& m1 T4 R) @3 b
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( _# s" X/ m5 A
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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+ J, o, V+ ?  _8 Fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 a  c) ]) x9 n0 @* E- y/ K+ Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, p! i# x( x) |! K3 N  e7 Z5 hit's the problem of the debt itself.
4 ?& j# C  H' T) mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 |# c# k& P" P( ^- D9 `# B% a
小弟一直都唔明...
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) ?, f5 A2 e3 Q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 C; g0 Q( r! {3 u: r4 F  d( U

! D& C6 E8 T5 m2 X無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答. ]& p/ ?3 E, `) q9 Y& v
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Thanks
# y2 L. A* ^2 Q& J4 l% |0 u7 P* Q那些根本係 紙上財富  6 l2 Y- P2 f, I
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 Q3 k: o- [& Y

5 Y: L' ?" h. W1 [+ X9 o9 [" lhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ T* L, G" o, W' [% [# m當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; G0 a4 t( W, H0 a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( n2 P' S# y+ |個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
# T2 o8 m0 ]# A: G扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ d) o' f, J2 e& u( q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 L7 U/ q/ M2 q2 S前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
; F& p+ E- }8 y! o$ z. @/ W' J$ V+ H同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
  X6 \( F5 D3 w; G# h+ }0 x& o- r$ j但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 {# x/ u8 l; t5 O
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
( W$ Y% }9 Z" v! e! j5 }! ^咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%3 f; i+ A+ _* w( S4 O; m8 Q( x
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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6 }3 F7 D6 ^3 [& W' @  Q$ l你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  Q7 W8 ?/ `% s' V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 r% T8 ~% ]! [" d, I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! I6 V- v4 Q  l- f) i1 c
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  T1 v4 O1 O7 ?) d. h咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- l. L6 o1 O0 p5 I  a; g( |0 A' s
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % \: u1 i5 W( n1 m1 f; s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. R, p# x, f8 }5 w9 B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
" I! j' W# j6 s; X- w咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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- F9 x0 H8 c2 E0 d$ S4 s正係咁樣
, E! s: F5 B# }3 d其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
, X0 j, S% D* u& i+ _分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* C5 t- F+ B4 O( e* |2 E1 e

! E8 R% r( _6 W9 D# ?3 E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: O& E& }0 i4 k  g4 N# _, y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
1 ^! h/ _+ ^/ r) |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ F- e& Z9 R. l% W
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 K$ u8 `7 {, S2 T: z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
$ i3 ?. _! A  c因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 ~5 Q% E2 |9 o! y  x( ?而家就要多生產, 少消費
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