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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ K+ {( w+ U3 i. Y% R! H% O2 f: ?Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- f( c. k! S0 P+ `) N
I was so confused.....
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& J1 A! I. N! P講到尾都係賺錢
9 F- G0 T. D1 F2 n! yso銀行可以不斷放款
0 d% ~6 f$ ?$ }* c8 [- g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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: O! L1 a3 x- g! a9 F# P% p; ~( O% Omortgage loan 5 ]9 E' A5 E! T6 `/ h0 \4 A2 ~
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 ~# p! J  U$ r$ C; n; Q6 g7 lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% V8 w# y/ p4 j: Q
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
: {/ _/ n5 @% r9 z% Dmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. ~# |$ }0 z' K6 c5 i1 d0 D
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
) H; L# O3 i% d; q% d% m) N  hAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( e7 M" n9 o; M4 o$ b% ~similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 {2 z; l0 E: cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
" E% |/ \4 a8 l1 A& {2 E" b- Oeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& \( Y7 Y; `2 Q3 w0 v( H( ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.! V1 V6 X) L  l7 L' B. I# D* j/ I

4 `  C8 m% E" [, s! C* a# }im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; \0 L; H/ O) F( `3 a! [
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( ]0 T  l$ B8 s- b. C. }; YFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: R: W  C/ _* L2 Q2 m6 |- O( ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ Q) o* N9 Y' AThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " i' P8 a; Y1 {) i1 W+ b
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 [: Y% m, z& w- u  JRefer to last example,
' [* n8 j& H  t' }- k4 j# Tthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 S. y. U" A  o% r1 b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ Z! U5 K3 o+ y5 r5 i5 ]! ~
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
' X8 t' @: i' d  g+ N- N+ f' P6 l  tso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
1 L8 }# X( l' z3 D" nall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- V; T, B4 M# C$ T9 f9 ~

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ |! X( @+ [- S  J# ^& y# Bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) G1 j2 r3 P0 h% r1 xit's the problem of the debt itself.
% X/ g. U" K* z4 y6 xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! _% e/ j8 I/ R* V. ^小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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. E. o; I. N- U" g0 F% s' L! b1 |. V2 I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答8 e- y6 v6 v) g/ X2 \3 [1 Q: A
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  $ e2 @4 G( U  u  H  A* j
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ x7 G) t8 ~/ H/ [( O9 t當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! P% `0 o  Z/ r; N- ?
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 J7 @' c' G2 T5 x+ S8 l
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 _2 f1 }) D( u" V1 b6 v+ h
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
7 q* a3 o5 P" E% k. f計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. [2 y1 }; _- t8 Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# z2 Y2 c) b; _9 l# @
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ F6 l* q0 b+ C# ?但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& H' k( Y3 c; ?. F' D例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # o+ `7 k, t; b* N, f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
( E& Q' Y" ~& f5 }4 _7 `8 I9 t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   m% [) r* d: D4 h0 P
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & u) x: U0 L5 v- [; I3 m1 H6 D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* A  Z; u9 I) n& k  u# e
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 F* Q5 ?* K7 R8 U' r7 h* B$ ?: P
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 e* n# N7 r7 e' q( j+ a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
! w1 L4 C0 a" I& l( g" a( m, S其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 O( K4 G( V" Z0 ?7 l3 U分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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( R5 w& y4 t! M7 }8 [% k1 T再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; H9 J9 p8 j$ C& ?# x連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# S- D& c& k3 K# v一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. L5 O1 d4 V; C編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. e% O0 e* x8 O+ c( ~/ M0 w/ L咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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, L$ b3 x1 Q( g# p其實係...9 O4 G3 B# j- c. J; z: e- y
因為以前未生產, 先消費1 }, F1 t+ o; e- O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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