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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ \) J" y( {( UWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???" P0 r1 M% _. _+ K+ a% c
I was so confused.....
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! `. X" M" Z5 K  [1 V/ H講到尾都係賺錢
5 d, }* n' ~" O5 a% yso銀行可以不斷放款
+ M8 w2 r; c! @1 _# i8 g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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) X9 K* F) p; M! Tmortgage loan
6 R7 f( I+ h8 X>conduit
' c9 ?2 R1 @8 W1 \>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
' _& }3 M* j0 l; s0 B>arranger
# A4 ]5 W/ n/ X>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 u$ X; I/ {; w8 L+ O2 {
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; v9 v4 ~+ D" R% XCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' j  {5 |" ?5 M4 b) q
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- L9 v6 k: b6 D2 B2 Qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
  L9 Q! o% U6 gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' W# B1 y; g2 _; }2 w
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& D- X4 B' R3 z. L8 Z+ {5 o
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 t; e+ f$ E) W4 r( W/ U5 Z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 Y( \) z5 V( `
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 |4 N1 s; o4 _# Rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( H: D# d" \- c% A7 t

+ N6 Y1 d8 ~$ y, O# Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) ]3 X6 F) y: S6 rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 j( K, g0 l: T4 I* F, _8 p
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 `  M, x' i  F& w* a+ I
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 s2 V6 X, b2 S. N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
* d* ~0 c$ j( g5 ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ v( u. I" m7 d4 ]$ s1 a: F( c8 _" a+ ~) _
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. }# D6 t) x) b; f" BRefer to last example,5 p& i# n0 V% i' x3 Q- O
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / ]7 E- B' F* O: \# O9 P
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 j. k; i, p9 C. Xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ X: N1 [9 {( u! J8 LA->B->C->D->E% ^* `/ v  t' b
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: u+ E5 {2 {, K- Iall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% p2 s8 e% X' M0 d" t+ kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' W/ z8 {& N& s# R' u, Y/ b
it's the problem of the debt itself.- p' {5 F3 N7 R
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ x- v$ G  G* q& f8 o; j0 T, ~小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 H' g1 K& A1 s# e( g# w- d
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 g3 W0 f6 I: ~: s

. O: l" Z, J6 R8 z* K( c8 M敬請各師兄解答, Y( o& f( h+ E# W( L2 u

5 E7 X6 z  \) D' z" qThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
: E+ K" F9 T0 H1 ^各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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( K  k, z7 h- F2 g) }http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ @* s# \7 c2 ]7 `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& j2 e  }, ~7 Q0 Y/ t1 g3 D7 R於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' f! Z% d, c+ n) {. E' K+ K+ A# I+ [
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" b/ J/ C/ G8 O扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,# M0 `! R! f& Z' `7 X
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 a2 T& l% i% [3 L' ]: ]  Q
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: [, z0 W7 u) z0 U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' `/ h! K4 F; ~! o8 Q' n但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 r! K, Z+ }  E- h+ X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # \2 O) h( t0 U. ^
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 t2 y) l$ Y4 Z" q, |3 r5 Z所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 p# t+ r) G7 c8 d9 U
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , t3 K. {0 a3 k
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 H" k/ O& l7 L8 @7 n3 A
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; p" K$ O- G/ V. T. a/ B" N唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . @- k% U+ M6 L  Z# ~& n9 V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / b4 u. `4 G* H) ~0 g2 J9 B
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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4 ^% f+ L5 \; ?) o' b正係咁樣* R0 a1 d8 X( g' N& S
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
8 z; |8 J2 A; l9 P- n5 q. A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  ~. I) x1 e- Y$ }0 g' j  h/ F: X
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; q4 o0 h. N) H, W9 U5 Z9 f& Q5 _1 k" U
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票$ q$ Q  @- K9 h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產0 z+ n8 V9 Y1 n$ j' k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. }& U2 A9 e+ _3 z8 _, t: `$ Y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ S* I' o8 h6 @- ?& p其實係...' r; [9 s3 O( ]0 }# k# N
因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 I# s* s  D* x8 \1 q/ Q- v$ R而家就要多生產, 少消費
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