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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! g" p0 n. t6 T2 d. @& }# lWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& N0 A- l- g  R- ~
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
( M9 y) e" b* {7 j1 c. Lso銀行可以不斷放款- U% t, r( y* b2 L& V
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan $ a, ^4 d: D0 i7 m% o% q
>conduit: f/ _( {- M9 G8 ~6 `; O, k1 _0 k
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 e( ~5 i+ b# a8 s
>arranger( s& m3 o( f% o4 x* @: Z7 q
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 c* Q2 k6 w/ ]5 m* G- J, A" {. S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ Y9 {/ h$ H6 Y  y; O: q
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., E  Y4 x9 ^: s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& J  J7 A4 T. Z  [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- \3 m9 X$ x3 h  B; @Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' ?' _" d: e; j7 h" x, n/ n
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 g' z- w) Q. @8 J8 j3 U1 Unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; Y; M! ?0 r$ A) meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# a% ^' m5 |+ W! kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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; E  i( R# @3 W: |im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; m+ Y3 }. v9 n" `7 R0 b, G! v/ V
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ u; P* K( a0 Z0 @$ C. f" h
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 @! S0 j2 {9 {& {9 s- ~. f: Z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 K% c3 ?. E* @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / m  y+ x$ {. ^7 W  a8 N/ E9 c" m
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( J8 b- w' R: h" e
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 j" O0 D/ u3 ?- }Refer to last example," ^* k' \: J# c$ i
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 i1 h  t* x( z5 s( K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' V0 J; H+ u& M5 J- g! p: itherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E. c% V: |4 W; d$ h4 ]
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ B! ^$ v( G, Yin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . C9 f( s7 m  W2 X
it's the problem of the debt itself.
) E2 Q/ S- H+ x- mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 ?5 v8 b- Z, b
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ D3 `0 n, H2 R" |' r

0 ~# q- E* |- [& z1 Y3 ]1 {. k無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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7 P" E; ~: b% V敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
9 n' m- l& g# @0 U6 R. Q那些根本係 紙上財富    H' @' L" L7 j' |; [
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' }" o' h+ a7 o4 f
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 {% n$ g' Q5 x! a" C  J+ X
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  p0 P3 K2 t; Z0 Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ l, R4 u+ w) ~" H
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ F3 A8 Q; n, T9 t, p
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 S' n2 I3 {# Z7 t+ M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 @: C( |9 w  s6 M5 V* O前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 f0 f( I5 e# r
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 J% ?8 T7 ~. X# w但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. u- H: n+ O, }' k2 `4 J' ~. D3 ]4 i
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, $ ^' n1 d9 {- O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- _* b6 i" U5 A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ X  \2 A4 R0 y5 D& K+ x8 ?; q
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + W0 p% P* g" Z. Y/ M; ?- s5 F
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 n. f3 G  d, t& \% O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 a# J( N' M1 K4 q7 w$ a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: w! T1 c/ v# j& v, j
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 k; ~7 r, {2 [3 y/ i
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; p$ V( k+ l! V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # J- ?* \" `+ i6 o( _9 m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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' c$ i0 ^$ x1 h5 d- }1 b再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
5 h& C4 z' W; k, X連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 I' z3 P( `+ h1 d+ D' q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 L) `$ o1 u' D3 f% d" C* p+ C( s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" T4 ^; W' I/ I- E' Z, P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...! ]2 X( [" b, z3 \
因為以前未生產, 先消費
' V) e: W9 Y2 ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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