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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ D7 h; q) G1 C
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???  w0 ], b, t- l
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢7 i  S/ C1 y$ X# z# I; F
so銀行可以不斷放款
- t1 x- B+ m7 X美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 9 ~, x" Y6 w, d: K1 o3 I
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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# N. c9 I  z9 D' c9 E* c>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
2 |# Z/ f+ P. G$ eCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ i6 B* I& V* M  E; N; c$ mmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 N* r$ H' `$ l7 n6 @8 Y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 F) {1 \* T7 o/ O* B
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- i# l4 f7 t6 B( Z0 rAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% h7 x4 w; q' {) t" M+ ?( F
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* t; p1 G) @# J$ rnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , `6 U5 `7 t! A, Y1 R
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - a& o/ I% e, C5 @- m
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" h8 J# t8 }' w! M# }, A. bim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; t" c9 I$ U9 p( {" zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. o3 U. I5 s" }' a; @! A" ^; E
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# T$ f. F8 x: V
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction." Z3 w) E( a3 ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 u4 g* K. Q1 E; `# C3 abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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/ |0 N, B- q. M3 f, E[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  X6 k" E9 A  A, cRefer to last example,9 [4 p1 z4 K% G
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 G& k5 b# u3 d; `  d
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 f6 h4 _7 U( F' h. ]* E( g. ]
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# i! Y: ]' t9 [6 ~8 ~5 o% z0 @
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , N  R1 U- t+ c$ R( u
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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! ]; c6 L' c. q4 ]% hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 W* P& ?, y3 F$ \$ g* R( |% s8 C& Qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 @5 M) z/ ?! r7 m. t
it's the problem of the debt itself.7 m2 V3 Y1 L* [4 ]
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% C' M" n0 p0 h4 A5 c- O
小弟一直都唔明...
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1 X0 F$ Z5 w" j# D7 |全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& N8 B. c9 I2 B* \2 p

! K( X1 F$ ~! ]1 ]* d% N無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) q1 x& a9 D* i3 v' }& o8 F% l
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ! p3 \( A6 |, h7 [
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, d2 L( o% W+ o: s
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, G( P2 s8 Y# o  f
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高9 S) d+ {6 D/ c% e$ S. e
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( R3 X0 P5 N3 {% w. |& r1 ]2 ~. Y個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 z& v3 [* T' p7 Q$ C
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' w2 \0 W! p% g& q2 |! V
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; H0 o6 X8 t2 [3 R$ L  x, @前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& o0 o( v4 m; Y6 P- }0 t同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% D  `. {9 P! R; K5 K
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) {8 r+ f/ g8 o7 o0 X0 e( T8 b% ]例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
# _8 z/ ^/ w4 e  W咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# N0 x; M2 v& w: ?所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. n2 j( K. r* b" [9 p& \
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  H" k' s8 c, x& h  v5 ?8 [但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , I$ B: c$ B, x. |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 _, X+ w. s0 I4 w* `( I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 q2 [( U3 @, j; W, x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 @) n4 A  }$ G+ e2 i: c# K& ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( k/ ]( d5 O3 @9 z4 V' S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 r5 w' r" P+ w' `; m$ E呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' p7 H$ B5 v- d: i咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 ^9 h' `9 f8 M( |  a正係咁樣
  b6 ~' T2 Y, Q& k" \$ Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) z; h- ^' _- P5 i* y1 s3 N
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 T7 ^) ~- N3 G* n5 N; r/ ]4 D再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; m% A" f' w0 M9 `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" i$ S$ \+ q  |% d: Q3 x6 @: C一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 J+ z0 V9 b3 d7 O8 a5 _3 U
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ y0 N6 j7 W9 N2 O咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
) Z4 ~, g& ~  ?; D, Q$ j+ j因為以前未生產, 先消費
% B& d: x9 |( I" M1 v. U0 W3 }5 Q而家就要多生產, 少消費
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