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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 O. _# Y5 D; oWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. C6 \& h$ g% ?0 f: ?' qI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢% ~" L+ t- J- Z! n  I
so銀行可以不斷放款4 `& V- x" h' [) V
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界. K, J( k, k# A2 A
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mortgage loan # ^  S! I9 }5 ?& Z
>conduit8 ?* Z4 m% z# i8 {- _* Y6 G1 E2 A; Z
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( L3 P7 \2 |  y: S) y& B. L
>arranger6 O' Y  ]& O" |2 r
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return., I  R" }6 R5 j% y2 K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
' q: l0 V, \$ M' Bmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 _; v" P: L/ B& \5 Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; A4 V# E, }' d$ Q8 p+ V+ u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ `& l  P$ ^" G4 B4 X, @Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( E/ |& o2 n5 K+ ~) v- m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, }0 a+ ~# i( A) I7 |' lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
. T8 Y" G2 X' _6 weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 |. Q* {8 j2 N6 W+ T7 Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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6 V2 ?# `& h& ~' a( ]im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 `5 \9 ?* W3 Bin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ P5 Z" Q/ H4 X- V6 m3 H' NFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- Y; \, x! V, hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.2 e6 [6 d" ^/ T* A: n) z. F
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , n' F- G& I" _6 `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. A7 l, W& h7 g) d) n& f

/ l2 M1 J% ^% k, F[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. B$ i0 r$ q+ k! O' GRefer to last example,3 g% e4 _3 K, g, @- R
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
' v: p9 Z* b2 R9 H3 D! L" BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  D. P7 t% p0 D4 J5 a# ztherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! I' R( G8 K$ }1 Z# gso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
1 W, R0 h5 E7 Sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) X# O, A* d- G7 A! {
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
9 F3 g  V1 e; H2 n5 Uit's the problem of the debt itself.5 x" }' C; Y( E, |; K; G
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- ~8 D* z6 P6 f

: w1 P5 n3 L; j4 j; O5 k9 h敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * s6 j1 N9 u6 \& f
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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& E* |( c* ^0 Z( I/ ahttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ y1 q8 y; e) k- f* ~5 z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 v" C7 Q  i1 N# P+ A4 R# h
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 C7 _, p5 f) k- a* ^" v4 E' r" d7 u
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 n9 a5 c$ S: P! w  {( w4 j4 J, F0 G) E扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: ]$ c- {- {2 ^) k
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* {2 J! E7 c8 b" m0 u: K, `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& s  K- T8 D* ^& y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 E5 |9 A5 J6 T0 y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 ^- ~- j" {2 |; C& |例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 k/ Y. {$ r; n4 R/ F' f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%  b/ d3 ~' }% c$ k3 I3 m8 ]3 R# j
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ |$ r( ?$ `5 r2 h但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  B" _: _) }- K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 B3 F% O& D8 F+ x- g  z; F0 N; v* u呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 n4 s8 }" d% y, w6 t( w# m7 {  k咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) U  U: c/ n  A# f/ b
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 _4 C" e5 \4 s' k& `' N/ @
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : K: w, c% K8 h! |! K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- p' D4 ~# C- [- u% x% s* E2 n
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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2 `2 P: a& M3 b: O! H5 m正係咁樣
; U5 c( g: _; A6 c6 a7 ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 [! L' F7 t1 e* i' f* A
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢5 G8 U) {5 s6 g" v

: _, n. ?& e- b7 F: n2 X2 b再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,3 t, Z9 O2 H" H+ i
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 `2 S# ]" s6 Y3 j& d. O; K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 g2 r* k  Y4 l6 B, _& v4 G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 k9 p. h5 _9 o& i% a7 Z& Y6 H咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 t7 |6 a2 b3 p2 I因為以前未生產, 先消費: W- G0 w2 Y! f
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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