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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 \* C2 _" j0 E2 b. |3 N
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 D' o  C0 u- X5 i/ D# e; [I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢1 Y( u& @" j7 ]( q
so銀行可以不斷放款
8 g' r1 g7 h) K美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 T4 B& s; y2 i' `9 G

' _" c: s0 S5 S' i# q: qmortgage loan # G/ Q: a" W& s! w
>conduit
( M. I' t% _6 G/ e: `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' ^6 B, H3 l/ f. P* l8 d6 H
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! d& z: H9 t) l$ k6 ]8 n7 jCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& g; m7 K6 J4 k& S5 b
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 X) T) Q6 Z" r. W9 C2 s1 N) a
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; F2 H& O, h; D2 T5 H8 s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% ^- a/ f0 J6 |. V. b
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 e0 c, E- S; b1 ~
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ ]: T1 S7 {) j0 R* e# `& \
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
9 X( ~3 b/ a9 J2 z  @$ Leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 [5 d) j- T3 E( ~! b
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.3 I5 @/ e# b# M  U+ H

1 Q! @- K1 e- l! Eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., ^- S; ^7 u" x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 \' ?2 S) J/ w+ u8 @, e: d! ]  p
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 t3 K& H$ f! {7 @/ i
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ P' x& }" u* w: I3 J
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ' h; H6 m2 W' A# h# d
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.  d* B/ t+ R: C2 b

* J/ ]( |5 y) r* M* U! b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 c  F' j' A7 ]$ q* j9 \Refer to last example,- T2 _1 }2 Q4 i# f3 E9 W
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 O# |1 [& D- x2 zBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! T  c/ X0 D8 M! ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
/ P0 p( ?* `$ Z% i/ ~  B4 Wso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
% J, _9 M" O& A% Aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. }0 j! v) C4 ~0 F

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5 M2 `9 m3 ~" j) S5 {* Wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
- N. y: i0 l9 w0 v0 @0 hin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . j( d! A( n; d
it's the problem of the debt itself.$ O9 m9 n' c( m" e: Y% ^
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& m. B4 q- G" R5 n
小弟一直都唔明...
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& o$ V# Q) S! q+ d1 S, ?) q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 [; c* e) {- K
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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9 `2 j2 h$ R* E/ _. Y1 \敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ E) J% n1 [3 M( l0 j0 x: G% o4 R+ p各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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, S5 _' s, h$ o, S( Y' u& jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 u' _, k! a7 @! K. e$ o5 g$ Y: ]
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 q1 g6 Z0 F! f# h3 l' X於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( ]# ]5 `, W; r* v; f% \. C0 z# y個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
6 N7 ^+ b6 h2 r% @8 ]6 a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ I7 {. a. S( _
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺2 Q+ e. R  X4 ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) P& ?3 m2 d* N& l' f% [& J/ j5 |同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 Y9 c0 |0 p6 U1 Z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" b, R9 _- S3 f# I' h
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 m! c2 W# _! D8 }9 j: [咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# w, I: i2 _0 ]% p( M所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 u4 C( t7 p/ i: @, I1 n你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) p  q$ U% j! r4 N8 }! _$ W6 i但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / i9 W$ \0 L/ J/ j$ }& u8 w
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! t1 r4 d- n/ v, w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! b7 t" L* n! E) {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ L3 B0 m& t! t" _% k% `+ n2 N8 n唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - z0 v. x2 C  S$ i4 A: q2 \: V; B
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 i! k5 X+ `4 e8 M% |! f8 V6 H& a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 e% h# b7 {8 V4 s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 H" K; Q% f- ?6 a分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) f, h! E, A6 U! m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( `4 L  j5 l% _; y* v0 A3 I
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
: C2 D* K  u' B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* O( P( b3 \9 n. R咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
+ b- v9 p4 y% N/ g因為以前未生產, 先消費( _- _0 H$ O" M# b4 |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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