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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 `0 K+ q; e/ V# x
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
: F- {+ h$ ^: K# j4 C7 [I was so confused.....
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+ C/ A/ J# o% ]* Q* O, d講到尾都係賺錢8 p) I2 H4 N5 S! j6 M
so銀行可以不斷放款+ {+ t  Z2 D6 {0 n% ?, k1 ]
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): V3 C# P5 B) J
>arranger
" r) |6 _+ w. g) m! o: K1 a8 H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* P  I) G! L, p% W- P3 r; V
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 ?2 u8 G" q4 ?8 o' x
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.5 x- h, K  u3 L* n
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  \7 x9 s1 |) [: E. h8 R
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 z% V' d+ F# S) x, q
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 w# r: V& c0 e3 K1 q
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 h7 \- c* J/ P" e$ X4 }9 w# J
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 E, P) r. i9 Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ Z( L- P  B; e( |/ g; F) H$ Hbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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+ r; |: q5 D6 J1 @' y  ^, Cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
1 v/ G8 X5 p; M" }2 Win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 }9 s3 h/ w" Q6 g
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. ?! u7 W) \. w! D. n# {
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* I7 K, T& c# S$ o4 `3 @$ L& H, s& J1 c' G
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + _: j& z+ j+ x0 |# U. X/ z" [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.6 T, G1 Y( C. u4 t0 n; O) I
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 X% a) t$ W3 ^, _
Refer to last example,
) W- z/ i8 J( B! }. {$ Uthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 ?' B3 ^! R) O6 `Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ B2 a! A# G- S# itherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 o% Z  S; j" v9 TA->B->C->D->E
; C- m6 O& M, @! n2 Yso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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* l+ Y* a+ o* v  O) U9 ]1 Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 1 _9 i5 D+ I5 \% m4 P6 _) C
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( {" \/ x! G& c6 s9 F# d+ L
it's the problem of the debt itself.. g* l. J* k, f
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?4 x8 l: W3 y2 I0 L7 k- l% P# T
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 p+ ~! {4 O- L; _/ b# H

& Z2 z- N! R0 e* T# ]敬請各師兄解答
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4 W/ j5 o8 N5 f8 J! @Thanks
% R" c+ x. X: G那些根本係 紙上財富  * z" w6 A- o: s  j1 q5 u2 O4 _5 y, l
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ z! e- o$ e- m4 N, {  L+ B

7 L- D2 Y* C8 zhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產& f) f. q/ b& Q# l
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 P1 i& p6 K4 |- w; W
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 t9 z  I$ ?# L  r
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
, j5 x6 ?# u. m5 ~1 h扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; B" K& @8 C- F1 q6 v計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 x3 R' C2 \( t% _前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
$ c& F! g7 f/ b) H$ B同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 H# K1 P4 g9 T0 G8 o
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺5 t5 d3 D1 S- b' B1 Y, Y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  X9 ]9 s: R0 e. v咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# S/ Q' z/ n8 D$ D
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( Z$ `- j4 \9 e6 A( ?

# e5 z8 K) I4 m5 Z5 r6 _+ _0 i你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! r9 n$ C, p: G& W7 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" t& Z0 l$ M# j; t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* o( q, p* ]- d4 X( O. a8 ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ W0 n9 G8 M5 q( x' C
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ O) C2 I( H) O: m
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 ]. ^6 ^2 \1 v% `( X, F$ k9 h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; W3 q# a  k( z" v5 y, U6 k, Z' ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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4 P5 Y2 K% W% q$ j2 T9 ]正係咁樣# i3 R& Q8 L4 s4 g5 r' B: X/ Z: Q4 D* }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  t( L$ a/ z# [分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* V2 ]( R1 |" z+ u1 s* N
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," S) c$ D7 b' r9 V+ {$ A
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ N- X$ k' W' |* q, m" j- {* z. o一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
& ^% g7 x% u7 ~6 p3 z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ i) z5 d! _, n6 F6 h
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 d9 p: x5 M5 t' s% [' ~& c1 b# z2 q: B而家就要多生產, 少消費
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