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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- o: L6 p. o, q+ P, yWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 y; ~3 `6 z! n. _( _I was so confused.....
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, V9 p& {- A  Z% E' X講到尾都係賺錢
+ c- ^# q1 w. |( l% @so銀行可以不斷放款( M# Q2 z# r' _
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 |$ ?: Y7 @( q) y1 |

# f9 }: r' b" e  m9 b0 e# k+ u8 omortgage loan
5 L9 c% X* T' D* {: I>conduit
7 @* S1 l4 _1 q+ v  h# y2 x>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
' T8 e  Q+ t" W/ Q9 a最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 A6 H2 T8 ~; P  o. \" F( WCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 Q! {: e, w0 q( Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. Z7 M+ n. ~  [2 P5 H0 E, z9 rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 @- i3 k; A' P- s7 x2 c  p/ sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 h) K, Z: \" ?5 n2 GAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& g4 ^, q$ }% S7 A8 Zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  n3 ?% ^$ I9 f; A) P2 b
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / N. L' X( ], B: m/ @* M; w
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 K( l0 m6 n& [. F0 xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 Q9 a- b( I4 p" j8 C# O& V' O' z
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: }9 F1 u- `% K- `% O6 N  A8 V
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ M+ A: J+ g6 ]2 F4 Z' W7 s
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ @; \4 j5 v+ l: k0 ]2 \$ Q: BA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# a8 a* s4 @: `  t' n3 E
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
- Y# i7 y' G' o( |but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 y+ J- O. e( k
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: \) M% p, W* M+ ^/ }; L
Refer to last example,
' p* i) y6 [$ a% Zthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / W% q: W  e+ A9 d
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 m, }6 N3 j9 z# rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 @7 ]7 M+ j% L* t! k- _6 Y1 B- |A->B->C->D->E- j8 }+ ?2 s' O1 S& s. _2 \
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
" [: t) \: v  L! D7 Iall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?4 P: ^2 x; ~+ h$ T
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' O0 b& E0 K  @' p. o6 r0 x: f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % J1 {( T5 D  p; E% B
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ j& f8 h9 v5 o4 }" ]  a3 F4 O/ Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ `2 F+ U) U3 X5 ?' g小弟一直都唔明..., l  v" _/ A% R# o* V- E/ o/ _

' l: X9 ^$ j6 T7 ?' W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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& a; Q; k. C8 c, i7 H8 G" ~Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富    [3 D$ u- S7 @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- f- y2 w' Y; ?" R4 l1 L5 r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, b4 `+ ?% q/ {/ e8 S) s+ c
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 Z3 J' m$ p, B5 j1 P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 `, U7 F( n0 t9 r扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
! S2 j# D: e; o) [計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺8 O3 d4 _7 B% |: A  {
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- ]: N  \; ]' W" J, O. ?! m& j同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! c* t- B' N( y4 C( J! K但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 u# k7 n8 `& h# e/ _* r例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% q& H- \8 d! Q( v- X4 X咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ A1 q" j3 e3 \' I8 j2 k4 e0 D所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁3 X) g  r6 W  @! Y7 I6 R

2 y+ P3 ?" C8 l/ c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) L1 a0 T) G/ n, V+ Z# X+ `
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. ^) \% @2 w& b+ I, z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' ]: l- F6 r. b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) Y  b4 B/ P" D, F3 t7 D( q9 \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- M! W, S& Q4 ?9 a3 k唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 @- C# l# T2 J! V6 ?8 }
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  J! Z  r7 d: d' K" |6 E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業5 `+ R+ W7 t' t6 ?$ V6 p. W: z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢: Y8 |& l- @& _( n% l% [
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& f+ F8 l- R; W' i) r連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 D6 {0 y, ~" j! ^' B2 e一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! ?' b. u' U0 P6 Q. G1 I9 Q3 P/ {+ h
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 g2 I- z, _8 Z% }' P( R咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
$ ]# o# Z; [" Y2 `' m因為以前未生產, 先消費
, I5 T/ C! b, P1 D+ C; c" A而家就要多生產, 少消費
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