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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ P, c4 \( e. S% o8 ^' LWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 e5 k+ Y% J' F& x) }6 {
I was so confused.....
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1 b' ^# \+ b% L/ u: e講到尾都係賺錢$ M# K/ m& f! q/ H" X( M2 K
so銀行可以不斷放款- b; ^& U) J3 G" h' F2 q! y
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ; N( Y- s  b) g8 v0 ?  Y2 L
>conduit
" `. `7 k7 g" L1 N, ]>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 D- K. Q, ~' n; G1 B1 e8 |
>arranger
, I& Q. X0 V7 A, }0 P" |>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 c1 P3 s7 l9 n9 j: F$ [% \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 M2 B9 c, j6 J" A# B
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.: [, Z0 f) z+ O- a9 g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! l) z& E% k  k' E9 f  L% o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! ?7 c" i4 o# T/ `. y! u9 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.4 w0 Y+ L/ h; ?" Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; I& i- n% B/ J: Q! o8 K8 |normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 v9 [. O4 p# X/ a+ s/ seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & v; J) g  s5 k* [7 M
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 H' S& V( k9 R- Q! ]4 l" S  A3 ^

( G9 B8 n8 f6 \5 K. Lim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' a( L; [" {: }# t0 X8 S/ h
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
! h7 z/ L  ?) M7 u/ R# HFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) |* G2 O. H# X* G' C$ _A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 G7 v/ Z, R% i2 [/ }2 \3 D2 z& N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & ^* @( ?9 |- f. m
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ L8 h' @% x6 t

/ l" P. @: q; _- R$ {1 r[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 }, X! w! R! Q5 P2 X$ D. PRefer to last example,
3 h4 T! i; C3 v6 Z/ i8 ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% Q9 B; S2 I9 v; JBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ y( y9 r# P; R4 k- o
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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- A( T( k  v5 T; V) e4 sA->B->C->D->E
7 |4 z" P% X; e' S5 K7 }so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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9 k: z8 _+ y' c* u9 Uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 T1 M$ v4 ^, O0 J4 l7 X0 `% J
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
" D" J+ u! Z6 c) q& \it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 {: G0 D! |2 I: F6 [$ o% @the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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' t+ |' U  B, S: d$ N8 W! m" W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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) x2 g1 m( a1 J* h無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) r) ^. ~8 s. L2 X/ U. ?0 ?. Z
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敬請各師兄解答* \! _9 c9 ~4 y4 {, M2 C+ b2 t2 t
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ) [6 y2 i. Z! T9 r' q
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic/ X2 o0 h7 V- I% t. @3 a

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 D7 j) T. `- i' k  k9 R2 f9 P- b
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
) y' Q! Q4 p$ G% @; d$ {- q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 u4 {3 v/ e8 v9 B個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 x5 ~4 \5 G( i) o3 ]$ Y4 G* Y$ A
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 n! K9 o3 s: N
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ Y& h1 s* ?4 K6 U
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法  k' Y7 u$ g: T  _5 k( M
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; T3 Q: |. W! v/ x4 ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ N1 C  O: Z' b9 S- f' I' t3 L$ A例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) a5 i$ l5 v) J2 b0 O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ E- H" o% q7 C所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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4 W; {/ I' B* u2 x  q* u& X- `7 ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 7 `. r4 |8 N+ D9 z/ T6 S  y9 z% D* ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " I; \( f6 b8 S0 \) C5 a
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 W! [% H1 L- D0 [
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
- T0 l0 c; S- h' T, h' Y. c9 j咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % U# D( x" A% j) I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( N/ q7 [( |5 Z8 f' h- j* H% v$ V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
7 y8 U/ E% {# O1 s/ Q% h# m其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% _7 ^9 v4 D! c# f/ }分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 T+ T1 Q( L+ U' G4 {
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- }; e4 I! D3 V2 S* C$ _" }: i連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 \) |4 V% _2 p
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 H  u: G& \% N0 h9 J5 U2 U# K
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 w' \' T: o/ n5 f& e咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
4 \6 |2 S+ P8 O. ?因為以前未生產, 先消費% s: O& E$ |6 N* e3 e
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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