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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 {! A) M0 o- p$ M& qWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ n5 G% X6 N! q9 aI was so confused.....
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0 N. {+ ]6 U7 f) q講到尾都係賺錢% G3 f0 }/ ^: C% w- f$ M5 \2 N
so銀行可以不斷放款! w" q. R* C3 B8 |6 ^7 y& q1 R8 s
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界/ K4 f4 `" v" x3 C& A( v+ f. m' n

+ H$ `8 |- L& N( @2 [: qmortgage loan ' p+ i0 b: v1 \
>conduit
% i+ Y/ w- V1 w1 s: }- F; y>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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) E/ ]6 Y9 x1 ~& P9 i>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
$ V. W1 {) ~+ [3 }最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.6 ~2 }: A2 X& `( N- _  l) }* C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! ?( T, n! Q4 Z" U( s" `: ]$ Zmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; p; w: `4 h! D0 U: S
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) D8 y+ w4 s+ F, I4 U5 Qin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# O# Y- a# ~1 G" _( B) p7 U# f- uAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., ?3 w$ @/ d# o, Z( w! h
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,# g2 c& r" O7 |* g" o, W4 ?% `. B
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 v5 w9 E: W* i' r
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ e7 e& `! B) a( [banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 p, A; Z1 q% K1 v$ l! O
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) Z( y% e# M. M& [
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: G" c4 n4 V4 H( e, I! c) e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ n% ^7 T2 J% E$ g
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 2 [: N7 }7 T  s6 v5 Y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 b% m- M* L1 Y$ }8 G7 h# @1 O

) K8 J# O. f. x( j' n! W  X[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ |2 W  r& V4 X
Refer to last example,& w  n4 p, e* a+ Z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 A( S0 L. W) I# F2 [0 y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand & v3 O1 H$ x" U. H" u. e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E" B& q5 ^/ _5 J- i$ |, [
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ `6 w0 D- T4 o; Q5 x1 Y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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9 C6 q- q6 p: Vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
3 d8 A* E6 j& rin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
: c# s- A& G3 D  A. bit's the problem of the debt itself.
" u+ o. f  `: d/ F% o  h. |  I' u+ |6 `the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ c) s: d& m3 B# l2 k- O2 t
小弟一直都唔明...
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0 v$ O" D( ?3 c# P* N9 S全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. k% H8 ]" j- q' o& B

2 `1 ]" M! f$ O* I0 [/ `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ O4 n9 F" i3 T: |

: A+ v9 g' `- g+ Z) s3 j敬請各師兄解答
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" m6 [: O- s3 V; J$ zThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 c( P( Q! D" Z! x" a各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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) r5 O9 \2 K! ]* S+ b' U9 J1 [; ^http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
! e; [8 i/ P" _, g& l當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 M% a5 T, o* v$ ?於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 P7 I: G7 Y3 y; K4 \個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" Z6 `% B2 b' _扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- w( Z2 Q5 v5 G  Y( \. M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  n5 X4 t  U) N( G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& J9 r+ o0 n8 l- Q
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 e9 a* A+ K; S: z但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 t: i. \) P3 L1 g; U; m
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
* r! n  U3 c$ C! K. |1 c; q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" |- a  d( L: e- m9 ]4 l1 t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 S9 A! K; N3 U6 n+ O" [) |2 C! |
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! r* E2 ]- C; _1 H淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) S+ e8 n* g+ N) G5 T8 T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 R  G; L  K/ X: K' I' e唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 {7 Z! |: _8 |5 b, k2 i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 ~4 h1 m9 ^1 n6 a7 U. f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ m. t, @! J( {6 y. L7 B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; h' K( t' s- o0 a正係咁樣
" W) K9 X$ Y# [2 C  ]其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ ^6 m7 c$ ~! H/ R: W! J8 o分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,& L& m1 q$ }+ f3 m, G# h; g) h
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 X- M. g( \5 Z: p+ B; f5 E
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
4 _+ r4 {2 X( ?編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& l, b( s7 c  e- B, f9 X# D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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" Q9 K; y  ?  b' W其實係...  P# t4 Q/ M1 T: h: W  V2 g
因為以前未生產, 先消費* A. G- O* r' l# g/ U
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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