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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ G1 ?9 B9 l" _. `/ sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 K9 d0 v. m# AI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界  P" ~! S! g: e5 T
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mortgage loan
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>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 M- P7 h  g" T+ m* ?
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 b( K; B; L7 v- D. J$ m1 j3 a
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% ~3 o0 h& p* x0 h; W% Jmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 J8 S, V" @% j- g* e/ D$ Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 {% Q" S" j% v$ Y# l; [Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 H( X0 |& @( e  N6 X
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 e% m! R- o% k5 z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
6 G4 V) B* G7 c, z0 ^eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 U9 N. h6 H! Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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: F- O8 h. H! i! L/ y" xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) m, T. {! t1 u6 I$ sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( d4 N/ P' R$ w9 A' D8 ]& W
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ |2 }0 r' h! L: p9 f5 R9 g! O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* H( Q+ y7 J  }. g- A- R, j6 V
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) c: o1 r; b7 abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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$ t0 [: n& c7 O. X; W! _0 V; m[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 y1 J' S1 _. k( U& ]; G3 |0 N) W
Refer to last example,
- F6 z& N& h  N* b9 T' j/ xthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. }7 o$ T6 i0 E; H3 \, s! hBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + c1 N; q% a4 v( y( `7 _' G% X0 R
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) ~, v# i2 R, y8 W  _4 TA->B->C->D->E
4 D4 p7 P5 g7 f, M  A. h0 mso does it mean if E failed to pay D, , i$ n* D8 d3 w6 a* q2 T
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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, |' k" ?7 @/ c. f8 wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 p0 c. O% s. h2 F7 B; A! jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ {" l; O% N. h5 ]" l/ @it's the problem of the debt itself.) k6 D; t. ]6 ^2 K3 o0 K
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% c/ T" b# U3 S% h
小弟一直都唔明.... r* l: E- P. k% b* o/ n% h
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答4 e* v, ~2 j7 W' A. A

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那些根本係 紙上財富  0 |! t. C/ j2 c# }% }
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ w  n5 x- h& T: w+ x& z1 k
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高2 G6 }+ _: q+ o- v8 [7 [# O% Q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 \0 z0 O, b2 L0 E7 y0 p3 @
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
* m, z. C6 ?6 f5 n* N; x扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- W; B' [$ E1 I3 ^. k計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 Q9 O2 N! D! C# c/ @# M/ t$ R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 A4 @& K3 U. F$ A3 F$ e! `* Q同埋個市場既前境要係好先得+ [7 G- |) P1 m; H
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& ?( L& l  }  M3 t4 ^
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ! \4 p" g4 l" M+ e
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& U% t0 Y* I" F6 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# X/ v6 `  z% o7 l/ M/ l

. p. ~  c2 U6 z" n* Q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 R7 {% E. I% s& I# G
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 o  S4 t% ^0 [# ~, U- f" [# L+ g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 |* D( w$ {' \& i
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( b: C; Z* }4 r$ e5 J( P; V3 c
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 P( ?- W3 f8 c2 d) y0 Q$ q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 c) J* N/ C, j6 B- p. d2 I4 ~2 L5 z1 a
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 E$ u# }! g& U: Z! m9 w4 L分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' q& ^; v: g# D  U( g6 M

/ H: w4 X% w$ j7 S再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
# ^8 j9 n/ ~$ C0 v# _6 F連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' F" D: D! I& f, I/ c1 B一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( L4 B0 G3 Y+ K編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 x& S3 P1 q% A; W3 H( m咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 p8 w+ j! R0 o6 V7 d7 \因為以前未生產, 先消費
8 R+ T; |+ O  x5 X5 g; Z+ Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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