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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( B$ V$ N6 {* X) R, {Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 g' N- \' ^% E' ~6 K
I was so confused.....
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, W, `2 q# |4 _1 j  F. v, e# I講到尾都係賺錢: I( s  ]/ G, G& l: E1 s$ [4 b* c
so銀行可以不斷放款9 i6 b' G5 A+ z: W- b& ^# ]
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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- A9 c/ `- G) F. z3 y. B% U>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: M, ]7 n4 h  J9 t% j/ K2 |
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
" \3 u7 g6 s2 y) emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 I  ]! W( w( L! O( \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 h& r7 T  H; B2 K" |: gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 N' E% Y, \# t# u0 O$ N
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* ?; [/ U" T3 ~similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 X' b) m- o5 t. j' {. {' x  rnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ! I8 [" m* ]8 S( b% ^& X- y7 J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 z+ U* U2 B5 }) A# [6 z6 C
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 n0 j, g+ t$ x  ^' R( u

7 J: Z% u! S2 }: Eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( f, ?0 j5 t; }' U+ t, u5 ~
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ c! B* u; e% a& m0 {! c) O
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  o( }- O- d5 v6 m# \  E6 ^
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 `; x1 S4 c2 I9 aThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 E4 r. V1 C+ U% D9 P8 ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# @5 _: Q* o- U1 U5 p" y6 l* }7 U

2 Q- z, J" n( \7 \, s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 e+ |; V. ~  @* D8 z7 CRefer to last example,: V% `$ ~: s# N
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* p) _5 O5 b6 {8 L" `  s2 XBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ Q; S& h1 ]8 J9 d. k5 H* |, xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# k% }# _5 i3 u; r4 S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, " R1 f2 t2 x, y8 {( a% \/ d
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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* f" x: w- |  L5 c8 K1 [3 Uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   S) D! I& M' M+ M; \( r3 A+ a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' V$ Z, \/ ]& ?* Y; F9 W$ B: g
it's the problem of the debt itself.! h( }+ A, c4 m7 e7 _# d* e
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( d6 @, e7 F2 u. \0 s* h小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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8 U/ m8 T) J4 m% _/ Q+ @( H- n敬請各師兄解答
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& z7 o: C) |9 C7 _6 GThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& S) ^) h1 A  e7 F! O各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 i5 \% |* G; V  T5 i( _

% o. T/ M1 g% j( g% m, chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 l2 e  y+ J4 A8 l( [, F
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 Y, m8 A6 e- e+ q+ ?* M
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# N! }8 R) e2 G2 Y& z# o個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: H, U' G; g0 s& _! }6 y" Z6 U
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 S0 j' f3 C  I4 X; N1 S計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 J* @$ p% n/ w/ |/ x$ I! |2 `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 p* H8 N- |8 [! @% ?7 q同埋個市場既前境要係好先得, B$ o3 D$ U7 ^7 V7 ~% Y  Y8 V
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, i+ J! J, y* Z4 _
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & x8 b8 r% C5 N* T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' F( s6 W) F6 B. U% W9 b. W
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  O* t6 y% E+ v9 ^

" A% h9 m+ c$ e( U7 q( q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 b% T2 }9 T1 `- T* D* B% b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : o! [) s# W% C
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# |& o: H' B! S% I. x  s* }呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 J! |/ D) |+ W' m$ e$ Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 k% D$ B! Y  E7 U0 u5 N1 @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, B; n3 P$ `2 y2 F1 |# ^' y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣( P) g2 a7 T8 g7 q
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 j5 z& G- S7 V, Y+ y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' A* }( l0 a& J# D, Q, H/ R

0 h( B5 H. [: Y4 ~再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 l  Y8 Z) {9 q" A% \' m  v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" }% m* d$ }0 ?4 `. c& |" Y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 U5 w/ ^2 d$ C5 \7 y" c
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ~7 Y6 J- b# V2 d, a咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費9 r! R' @& W1 y* n6 y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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