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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# }3 I% E9 S/ ]4 AWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ F) A6 a( D2 B" L9 RI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢( S, F) q8 `5 f3 b) A
so銀行可以不斷放款
- @" Z! ?  d" }$ r0 z+ b* x( |* j' M& C5 h美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 g9 O! B3 q, s, bmortgage loan 1 [6 s' Y7 }+ ^* w5 b* V, A
>conduit
6 w5 q6 `7 L0 H" p/ a>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 d. q* C* s0 E
>arranger
6 c6 T" E6 z3 \+ M' z  {>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# I5 i% H5 W* X9 k( r
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
* @/ v) h% J+ ?( _CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* e' O0 T' E( E, U2 q/ ]more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& h, p' @: `, w, W
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. N4 i1 V- n+ z! Z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ b/ `& O5 f3 G* Y5 c$ PAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
' L  l7 B7 o4 t  A; Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' }: O' T, |) l: z& c
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 0 R7 [8 f: P8 r0 z$ ^
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ( P3 D- r5 b5 b8 R# t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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& v  k( X! l" q; S$ Gim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ T, g/ t/ \% Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
) m" K) X% s2 I9 R+ A1 d/ {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ P9 ~2 |$ r9 D. a: A3 T
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.8 f* _0 r1 h8 N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 h& j; @4 q/ y2 M7 g
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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. a* T2 n# u6 O8 k0 t[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 h  I, U) r; W) t
Refer to last example,
3 q& v: ?: C- V% W# d7 Nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / \, D* W( D2 A! ]
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& J( t. L/ ?! ]therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
4 D; P5 F8 z: w/ Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 G7 X) S1 Y* Y$ `) t3 U, mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 Q- s# ~5 u3 k- b
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 x$ V0 z+ p8 @7 S! Q& d( I, Y
it's the problem of the debt itself.
' Z, O9 `7 F! C# {8 Q9 @the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  ?8 Q( G; B$ j/ D
小弟一直都唔明...
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( v7 P, s' D' d& y$ K; ?8 B全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ ?: D$ L0 E) n. `8 ?) @
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答& W* w2 ]. `7 ^( V1 r0 |% C
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ' e( G# d' K' c. P8 |' P
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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3 B3 ]4 _9 Y# R& A- [' R0 f5 P9 Lhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  H0 }, s0 j% F" ^
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
( P$ G- T6 C$ r2 y4 u/ _於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 O% X! a& V. B5 K' C* ]/ [+ ^. y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! @* I9 \! Q- Q6 K: r8 v5 @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) g# @1 f& Q) e/ k* S4 y計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺# i; V1 ^; R  |9 S+ I
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 q& U+ g1 r& U; I9 R. Q
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ L) a4 N" S; B但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! {  y( {  f( ]! K- k6 c例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& s3 f; a7 `0 V  {咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ q. ]. B" d; R* L, L9 D- d- D所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 n& I6 x% J: t% J5 U7 Z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, I1 l; [: ]: e7 l3 q5 G淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; D! M+ I) [4 }$ Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ i7 F/ t$ ?+ J7 p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 A1 Z4 l$ c% Q+ K0 q2 T7 W) e淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! A. x9 q; D9 M+ F1 g: H7 M; a* Z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ \, A/ t( {- L& u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- Q# ?( U& {* w' x' v( s
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! Z0 c8 M( j5 P+ U9 s
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,! Q& R/ n( \; H! i
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 O2 @/ E2 {% j
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 k9 P: [  ?; S( H0 d4 {編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" R* Q, o7 z" N- I) R; M# F咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
/ _. a9 V) X& u; G8 B/ M因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 Q: M" O0 s. n; V( M3 F, j0 O而家就要多生產, 少消費
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