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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 p3 ]! ]# C7 ]3 OWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* y; ^  q) c& t6 f# Y! n# bI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 x% {) x) B' Y8 C9 N" d2 b( n

  o" m: L' K; S4 tmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)% t  r! M5 L8 h5 x1 N0 w5 W5 y8 s
>arranger. c! w" H% @( F( w0 h
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& v) F) }' `# }" P8 D$ rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, z2 |( ]' I( W' C' d) ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* [/ a3 i/ V- O- Z+ A  y/ s6 f+ @; m
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ y6 T; ?7 ~3 Qin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; k9 t6 K6 _9 `# K# j; i
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 }: k( d7 R8 M5 I  K
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 z# K$ o# @2 N2 m- pnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * B7 O$ N2 P. I7 R
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 o/ e2 e2 |! S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 E! D0 T: l6 _3 o$ f: Q
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! x' y2 T7 K* e1 I# n$ ?in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, k- p: O2 D7 D- q2 S8 ~For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! }3 i: k+ K' l* o. ]5 K1 XA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
8 h* o( H* c6 \- ?! Y1 F/ Y$ H  @, rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' z* F! a7 N9 u( O! K$ U; Q3 Kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( q. G0 B$ L& t" g% f( \
Refer to last example,; I# x& l1 N! Q8 g1 Y* h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ l, [+ F* Y8 L( PBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 H) w( D" R7 R) G& S
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" ?8 C0 G0 q4 ^$ v2 T! pA->B->C->D->E
  b3 _: |& H$ u& Wso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
3 ^+ I/ i. x  M5 y) ^. Dall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! Z( z0 G- i8 b# C. ]  U

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 i. v- N! D5 z! E! _  l( zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 |% B+ h$ O4 K4 Z3 f
it's the problem of the debt itself.* @/ E2 ?. r: a) r3 c: v1 p
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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9 V- b( _. c, N7 ~. I6 l! \全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?# W; U3 t, G$ L' A7 b3 p

$ C* _% F3 t7 K, T4 M! p無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答- v% ?$ T5 N7 V  g4 w/ X

5 P8 N1 W$ ]& r! Z& ]Thanks
$ i( Z6 o3 I% V" l3 Z4 Y那些根本係 紙上財富  % n$ Q5 c! X2 Y* _# G& Q) w* ?5 T
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ U! Q2 \8 m) Y2 \
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 k9 P2 b( w: G, b# S: k) @於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; z4 y: f4 `- M
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 _6 Q  C2 J" y& G
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ t7 G: n' o% p. H$ L+ m
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, h) Z- E5 ]: G+ N  g前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 w5 k( Z( h! L  N" F" x: [6 o同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 C4 u% K/ `+ }% ]) @" G0 r4 h但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- x7 q2 r+ _% J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 d/ ?( E* |0 }9 u; F! u7 q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# f: {# T! D! H  N: v
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* Q. t3 a5 W" N% s% N

8 {5 \' j( r8 {你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 z( O" g, v" S  B5 D, ]' Q) D但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 N3 A- m* K: l" @4 y6 P* ~2 t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 {- k9 S; y, q3 ?' P) ?( o呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 h/ Z2 z( j* r5 C) [5 f
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& I  C& t4 _7 V0 O0 A" ?- R5 n) e: C! t
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% d0 y0 ^" {, t" w" Z6 U! T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! S( S4 _4 s* {% [5 u( A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. e3 Z  w; l$ V) w
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 s! t& w- M: p: [7 g正係咁樣0 [  j* Y' T9 K0 C
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% @% C8 F5 X& `- m! j1 |* f/ Z& ^
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢) p7 f* B- d. \) o1 J

/ H& [: Y* ]2 g0 o% x0 U再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' Z8 h' H% k+ V! S連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) B+ A2 d6 x7 b  L一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  s: D) ~# l0 K/ o
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) m+ H0 c! S3 [3 V- Z* F$ h( W. c
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 i, b$ H" r, Z; g
因為以前未生產, 先消費0 p9 y7 f2 v; x, m2 w' ]2 O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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