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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 ~9 G/ D4 O, {5 d0 WWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' |1 a( C) ?4 }. Z. A. zI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢" r! k3 L; m# s) G
so銀行可以不斷放款
; W& F- x" A& c* n2 X( N7 G- y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" A" R9 N* \" e- e& Q% _+ S
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ P2 V" c& \  Q* [
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: g& C7 f! E) U( M* S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 X; Y$ Y* o9 fmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! J. S, P' D* |! emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
5 c2 L- Y- G1 @" Din other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 P, U/ F3 B# \8 a  i! d- ]: X9 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 D  i# e" Q. ^$ d- K( `8 asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 S2 b: |( y* T' m; U  T  C. Y. {
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* D0 Y& P  T, l8 ^; N, Aeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. + _6 T- {0 A& R/ Y+ i! \
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ C  n" v/ u. Z# `3 U1 v7 p* j

% s. o& J( }4 {+ g: g# }im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 \# b' l+ d. t, |8 Q/ ^; l
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- L5 G+ u- B3 j- o# V! {
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- W: w1 `' O. W8 `# I, N6 ]A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 W' ~. P9 g( n! Y6 T% L
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 F4 ?' z9 I" [, t5 Qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) D/ ]( S% Z/ d; S, F; E- S. t: q5 N

; e9 u& W5 c$ u+ K[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  C$ e! P8 R/ q' S  P/ w! g4 w
Refer to last example,
6 e7 J: U4 M0 g8 Sthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 P7 ~9 C/ J* G3 n7 P
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 U3 W( v1 Y$ B9 R. ]
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E: t9 L/ t8 Q) x, `
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, - s9 X- A% l4 H/ f9 ^
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. H& l4 H( I+ F

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
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it's the problem of the debt itself.
# Q+ t& R9 W4 e0 r% _the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 k) u$ w' n$ ~+ d# j7 _小弟一直都唔明...
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7 ^2 _4 i8 K% l7 S3 `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. @+ J( W/ M- }9 p' m, L& l0 f
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 R( u  I: w9 B7 O6 d# I

' W" e7 S" d7 e/ ]8 M敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
2 v# ~4 b1 [  ?那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 o) N3 @3 B- [各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic: A' l' @7 r8 Z* |/ l6 M4 G

2 G% n' f; p" L5 jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' Q6 u4 A2 @2 Y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; ]5 q' \3 `/ a. I. `# i+ x於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% H" C6 U" z7 ?3 i7 v' N
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 ]8 E7 H. m* r1 k
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ o* @% C2 x' K3 L) {, K計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 p  K0 v0 q7 Z, r
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
/ Q# ~9 {# D* p' [& C: W' L同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
) o) J- H  P, Z$ m. s( }; j( N但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 [+ f4 h9 t! k/ t. `9 C例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
1 [" k5 F  p/ R' O' ^咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%& k4 H) i. _, t3 m3 {9 F% A  y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, q. u3 ^* ]4 T+ l* J
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 @4 W7 s9 D  e% N6 N3 {6 A! D但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 n8 ?( H( ?' ^6 w/ d6 m' P! r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 O! J8 ?. U% W8 P+ W% O呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* Z8 r7 \! ]+ d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# C- L: k: M! [# b% Y唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" z) {; o0 X9 t! Q9 o淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 P6 ]3 [; L2 ^9 e$ b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣" I* C6 h; `- c* o" J; n
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 M) f- o5 m( q分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" p8 U6 p& Q! ~5 R, F0 o. V: n
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. p) o, K) {* J& t. Q  v& u8 w
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: o2 Z9 e/ [( e( K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
- o  [) m$ t& ^+ ^- E; F編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" L/ S% r% C7 h1 p- \7 {咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...& n, Z( d  c$ A9 h  T& W
因為以前未生產, 先消費
# A6 P2 R. D$ U- Q: p* `5 s, s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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