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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- h  p6 C+ B% u! H* y$ i
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???' u$ i1 Y7 B1 d6 Q# b" v
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢9 a9 f* i1 K, |3 F
so銀行可以不斷放款
  Q! F' S# Q; J8 B美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: ^' `% U$ `; F# Y

. v" n) B( a  V3 V/ e8 W) Mmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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& z( n# S, ^  d$ v) d1 i  m>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  g2 O+ A) b( `5 v; V' J" g
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
7 L  S2 v% O! G: ICDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  ]8 {/ z/ c6 W. d+ |* gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.8 a9 O7 c! ~6 K; {
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
# h( b3 L7 D7 b4 L+ Din other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' {4 o' B9 ^  Y) Z0 D# \Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 K3 {0 p/ q3 H6 w2 Q! @2 u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,# _/ e, J, V) G0 I3 J
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  [: B' o# Z4 ~8 w* G! teg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 K+ K/ \" r+ F0 {% A3 Wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 H0 s! ?3 F( n4 ?3 Y" f! |
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ i  P. s/ F: `
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.9 k* u6 H' y; J2 Q7 G% S
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 |8 t1 E: U( h9 j& X+ H+ Y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! m! P5 L+ ^  s* VThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 C* f( m6 j1 @5 a, \% l2 E: _) }but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& l6 o& h) H6 h) v
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! S8 @" c8 d! w8 S, R
Refer to last example,: g4 C- i) W, R' H' d. K% V& E
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 [7 i0 ?& ~  }, g" T, W
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! M# K2 r8 R  x: Y) Q4 N* jtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 M) U$ V3 R8 f% V4 {" u9 uA->B->C->D->E
5 \; r4 J6 A7 C+ z: Wso does it mean if E failed to pay D, # j, f4 F# K' J1 W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ M4 h, Y$ }" W0 C, Z/ Z
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0 N' T0 E6 \% Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 D2 q( R0 o( y% a1 bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 x  o  k" I( l9 v( g. Ait's the problem of the debt itself.
# d0 \/ F  b, Q5 |) F  Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# v  m$ }) _, U1 `+ w8 m小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) I; X2 O& j1 V( C! z1 P; i/ p6 v

3 B# o7 @! a9 p9 I' y無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& f& h5 [* {2 e. V敬請各師兄解答
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; _+ a, J2 T( }! R' `0 ^: g那些根本係 紙上財富  
2 U4 B- W7 F8 W2 I: r8 X) k; t' X各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! h& C9 |2 {! R, f: thttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 @. }/ G6 a" M: Q' _% y- P' E
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, U' t1 u; u- c
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) b4 k! {* r  ?- I9 t個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! o0 u: N; Q' l8 H7 h( ?0 ~. L
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," _: C/ G/ S/ r# W/ u
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) D$ o1 r8 F4 S! d0 V1 X8 _+ `" I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& d/ a$ P" g- T. I' \+ U/ e3 J; h, ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
) g2 y4 |. N& {但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺# T9 [  C" J' B" [! k
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 e8 y: s6 A3 ~
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- d% U0 w. {+ y. h7 ^
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁4 f! E7 y# [& n& Z6 k

$ e+ g0 a* q2 _你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% r2 P& M; s  o2 D  N4 f. N但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& h+ P/ k9 U4 t( u淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 j- |0 h/ H% K, R4 \& D- h& x, ~
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ q# \# u" ]4 h. \( g& `5 X6 u唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ P- o, K6 l3 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; [$ S) o& X) `5 M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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' |: \) l( R8 ~. w$ j- {正係咁樣
" U6 Q+ V) b2 `4 Z0 i其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  c8 ~. N+ I: A! E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 K9 ^0 t0 t: C  e, R再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,7 I/ K! s4 C9 b! k* ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 b$ V* V5 g2 O8 m一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! d7 |3 w" n5 M* U& h: `
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 \/ O% Z* g. G  z( |$ q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... W' J& r9 J5 F5 `$ n
因為以前未生產, 先消費
; Y) a) w9 |' Q- t5 \  ^而家就要多生產, 少消費
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