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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ O' |0 ^+ I$ D+ `3 q% ~1 I+ l, ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" Y6 n# }' `  K2 Y; f, G& x& U4 o3 Y
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢' y0 J: ]) \5 u9 J
so銀行可以不斷放款
+ I/ D& q4 W4 U" G9 }# u- E  K7 a美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 J6 o$ }0 U6 }& J- K, G$ ~% w

% ~0 n! l, w: f4 ?% Y6 Jmortgage loan * Q6 j! _8 R" w7 r( V2 s. l' ]$ I; [
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 w7 U( l7 T  ~* I, N3 @CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! ?# @2 B" U! m( U3 }more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
4 m/ p  S$ `9 S7 U9 ?9 Wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! W( s. Q' c9 s" O$ e  K
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 R- e& X6 D8 VAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) z% C: @/ ?. ]( Gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 A- q& @# q: X. j% C6 T0 b; b: ?
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' w, v* C& J1 |' U/ x( o# E
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % a+ z) ]+ l" }5 w6 H( z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 U3 o, U% G8 q" k3 O8 [6 ]/ k
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 N  U# y) W7 u1 v1 ein stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards., a* V( l+ a# P& b2 X. P: T+ y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
& C6 T8 }2 h# k  x& AA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 m7 C" N& H5 G5 O# u7 H1 CThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
" W: `8 e2 a$ C( h2 z5 V. \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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) t- ~; B+ Y" P4 ^( c5 I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) s' P) S( V" x% N( z2 dRefer to last example,
$ k6 c5 b( u' j$ x! j" Jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 d& i, a+ c' L1 X; s' L+ z
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( Y+ X  U" C( u+ ~$ c6 O3 N4 l4 o* Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 Z" [0 w6 K% [5 L9 tA->B->C->D->E
5 h* D& Z. }# v( R9 Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 b4 g) m4 C  `all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 q+ z. J/ w/ f" p
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 5 ?7 H6 `; f  ^1 K9 y  F% e" U# O
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 b* w7 F1 ]6 E
it's the problem of the debt itself.5 j: J1 z$ C# k' F* V
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- Y- A4 J/ }: M
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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- z& }/ d1 ?5 [% ^5 ^* h7 f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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+ c% u/ G, ]3 `+ EThanks
9 i, b4 Z* e' J' }" p  n那些根本係 紙上財富  1 `2 D, F, v& p& ]# R) w
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) T6 A: _7 f) d  m2 @2 l* p! g6 [+ n當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 M. C& \3 w  ?9 [1 [/ g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊: L7 v0 j0 F# S9 h" P$ m+ \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 z/ }" Y; b; E& ?) J- ]# G
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 l, {5 X7 H; m計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ t5 c8 ^, k/ q' ?# v2 Y0 C
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# ~8 p  T' i% D" Z) m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 f8 U7 @6 f" |1 s( o
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) q  c& L9 L% Z# y3 f6 J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 X( q9 u' E  {, V% G
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 [/ {2 J$ A9 l% \& Y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( Y- E" ?+ G, o1 ^  C

5 J3 y4 l4 l+ H& E+ s# I你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 g7 n# x+ c8 h1 d, Z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; M% s% {& |8 a) F3 q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / C8 j7 }# g& m# C( ?1 @8 j/ ~
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. {9 R  n5 q. n$ h
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- Y6 M6 N, v2 \! B' F: l( p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 w  o. S# ?* [3 d! j) v8 K- P- f3 X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , S$ J$ a3 p' g- v* x
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 _7 X! l& z+ t& ^! P- g; m咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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1 U. q  P% t* b3 H% _$ y! d) }正係咁樣* ]& K# f0 W& |# ?4 z: ^7 f- ]
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 Y+ z# q" ~# A+ P( G( q* k& a
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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# {6 r$ V8 a5 H再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 r6 Z3 ?3 _5 ?9 l1 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票0 G7 I1 P2 {! ^* y1 \$ j
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# [' L7 P  {( t( }0 t( L
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% e4 r: [, V+ L4 f' ]+ |8 f咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...- Y0 j" E3 c" R
因為以前未生產, 先消費& \  ?. x; g- d; p
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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