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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) R2 I7 h9 l0 e' O  _) mWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???4 F( T1 d7 I9 W* f5 _
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢4 [. Y8 T9 L8 |9 R1 v$ P
so銀行可以不斷放款4 w' y' g! h  ^0 \, r, a$ D
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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% \! {6 i: F8 I% g6 smortgage loan / a& n& `4 O# K. p: M
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); y, L5 P0 n; z. ?: ?
>arranger
, i4 |! k+ v2 m>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
' @% K' e5 W7 b: Y$ m) F最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' r# B! b8 l7 i2 Q: S* [CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,2 I. l+ q' w- p1 I( Y: ]$ Y  }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 {! Y. S; J5 B/ Y2 _6 {* i3 D
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* a' O& n$ K7 ?2 P) V+ ~in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 s: |5 s+ T5 r* y" A3 `# OAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 \8 I: M# A: m8 N  B/ w( |similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 B4 q5 I, H) ?3 Pnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& z) ^, W9 ?+ C: g; Neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / y1 k- ]8 ~: R/ W
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& X3 u. R1 [; o' G

3 }" U2 q/ S8 d% e, S4 qim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
0 |; m/ ~9 B# |, a1 Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 m, R# y" t+ W1 sFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. f# l  K) m. N3 b1 m: e! V1 {$ A
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
" f; n. @& P* J3 g2 F, G, ^The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 C* l4 O# t, S+ j
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 e& V8 Y3 @  t/ u. l7 s
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ B1 U1 P' H# ^9 m  i( FRefer to last example,
0 W( P: W- ?) F1 C2 ]# W3 j# [that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A " Y3 ~$ p* h$ `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 {, x9 @- \' U1 W
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) r, u' D3 [% Q  WA->B->C->D->E
3 v3 }! l. L1 x* o3 @so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ! `, g& d' `$ g; X6 {% ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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5 j( F6 i9 y7 G' |the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 r2 |8 D, ]4 ?in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- E$ S; X7 g' x1 J% L$ Xit's the problem of the debt itself.( ]: r; ?0 A1 t; _9 [
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; [2 d, ]5 {7 H. @: v) C7 q: C
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 g: j# t( i$ N7 T+ H( G, |

9 s7 `+ G" }+ f" _" n敬請各師兄解答) U3 Q* d! d2 h

1 X; M4 x) K, X1 ?) |Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 a1 y- g* ]& \& ]; `3 J各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic& v( c+ K: j7 B2 t. b& j

. r" O. r; c& N9 i5 \  _: Q3 E4 Ahttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 G$ m6 i3 K2 t- x當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; Z# ]2 p9 e: ~) ^% L
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 Y6 I- e: v: R9 c5 {
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 w& e% o# O+ C4 P扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
" O, R0 D3 v) N$ K% w6 C計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
( U+ x; A, P# M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 i0 V2 Z# `3 R5 ^
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 J% `% A6 `6 w4 D8 x! J
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" ?* |4 D. x- r0 J& x$ ]% ^例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . B1 \7 r1 a) z) R# S3 b
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& {  H* {& P: N; d所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁3 o* }* w1 S8 x! G
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" u% [/ M. H2 }) {7 O  R8 {* j% j/ L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 b8 o+ q/ ^# P3 I) v( `' O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( m# l% w  b! A0 B% {呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: n2 O! e/ H+ V$ u$ x& \. ?" P, Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* t% l4 m& I" ]+ @% q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # f- F( ?) e$ W8 P- A" V# A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 A- R# }# j  r& {7 b3 j6 _8 u* h) H呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
" G6 Q# F/ k! X9 c; V# E6 I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 b/ ?$ |4 R3 W" H$ f: O正係咁樣
3 g% [8 X; l' N+ r其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 w7 [9 p, f9 _
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 e# g# S+ `9 Y* b% q
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& w  p& i& N0 p9 `; h連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
* k- r* {: H4 o" F6 r$ N6 K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( q& t8 C0 w  J. f
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 a. n/ u) W4 e; v2 Z4 `3 ^咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...8 H. A/ h+ x3 C
因為以前未生產, 先消費
$ j# F7 Q% c( X; o而家就要多生產, 少消費
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