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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# ?( w: g6 S0 ~% T) WWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 W  N( Y5 z) `* p5 g) e
I was so confused.....
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- s7 l; M. O1 o# r講到尾都係賺錢
) y7 d% T! n/ i  p3 P: q# Jso銀行可以不斷放款0 T6 A/ c0 k$ g* G
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- j5 u  {: Q6 _& p0 o
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mortgage loan " f1 t- ?9 i' _. }6 b  l
>conduit! ^9 ^$ V) O) h* n0 ~: T# M
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# y' E; W7 i: H. S0 B1 E/ S' w
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 a5 ^; A* t4 R. `7 \3 }- O$ c
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& i8 r2 p2 G! ^0 ]  `* ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.: g6 j: X+ Y' x, [" W  j" f+ b1 [
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# Z3 c. n; W6 D! x( ^- X7 P6 b
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( L9 x' D  d, N9 y
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
  Y& V+ p. n4 I0 A% S% e8 B, Lsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* @, A* {+ s  x
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
0 g" c) S& Q* A- J/ ]eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " \2 `. N$ N, Y. O
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.7 x- i/ r5 X3 @  D& j% o! D- v
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.9 Y+ R7 {+ D2 |4 F# ~2 z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 d! _  ?* Y7 K! {# ]/ ]' WA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' O+ X, q# O# ZThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( ?0 @$ X: i6 G8 ?
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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# Y* C3 Y! }+ w$ i8 g5 x3 ][ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# V+ u$ F  |4 M" y  K3 t/ W
Refer to last example,$ d5 v3 v( ~$ i" s$ i4 A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) a% u, f) e  }8 S7 `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 @, z4 u+ {! a" _; o
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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: M7 g4 S% ?: r' _0 P# RA->B->C->D->E
5 T: w2 a: ?$ h. T+ ~' `so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 R$ [, F) v7 d  R
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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/ L" q# D6 R; i0 Qthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) d' Q$ `; T+ v* K5 yin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) l( ?! ^1 G8 C$ k& x) Zit's the problem of the debt itself." M; q3 ^; o4 O' L& b
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 g& b( y3 t" x: ~小弟一直都唔明...
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3 [; b" N# F! c2 r$ w; A6 q: Y" {0 D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  0 x' g& x$ o+ @& ~( p# C' h- K6 y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! f; a: \5 o) Z. A3 ^% z

' ]6 N9 a; b, Q* o0 Z: e# B. X$ Jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. r8 F  z; f0 q& l5 R; c9 a當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# a0 {1 N& `& a0 ?( v$ E/ h! Y+ V+ P
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( K3 m9 `( N+ r. \個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 f; o  Y" V/ L' K4 S2 P6 h, q0 s0 H扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
# \  G1 [) ?- P" |9 M: I$ Z6 _# w計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; I/ k" A5 X& ^; j( O前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 g6 ]' \5 \+ _( G
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 Z5 i; _8 B+ U. i
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* [2 _4 N, A3 ^- W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 r5 j/ ?6 J" H1 u4 B6 ^* J9 Z5 O( O咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" q$ R+ F! F# G& h% S, e
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" i7 d0 E* `5 M6 s. A) j* u

9 J8 k$ L3 u# J# @' t你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
2 `7 Z- d0 |* ]+ ^7 N* u但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 r6 D8 C5 d& f5 i" o3 p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; D- V; l# z2 ]+ j7 ~3 d/ v7 n1 N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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( h1 K+ o5 G" R/ j4 U+ t; b" c正係咁樣; @& r) e& H' l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  Z' Y% v' w4 h0 P9 E1 H9 I分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; p/ z6 G1 n9 X4 S# l5 j2 K

! D4 x, \1 z% `  I- ~3 D) C6 X再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ e3 T7 [4 t6 ^
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& X! t/ \% t$ H3 Z# ^7 z
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 K7 j1 G% N9 ]; h  v編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 v3 Z& O! o  U- `0 f咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
% R( y8 k) A: |% N5 Z因為以前未生產, 先消費) e# }" ]2 [7 ~5 `4 w# [
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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