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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* T( i3 t  n) |+ _+ O* b( F
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! }2 E/ l  |; G0 b9 `  w
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢0 P3 k, p8 o7 x& R$ g) R3 W
so銀行可以不斷放款8 t9 F) s- C4 B* t3 T3 |' y/ g
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 `) A/ j/ O/ w( {# ]8 V! v1 d* V' Rmortgage loan # }' @3 J8 f5 E$ m4 L) s: F' M1 r
>conduit
9 l8 L9 ?+ {- e>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)3 u" E& ^" ?0 f5 J9 z7 f* \
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.7 w3 ~! W8 y/ P  u; @1 w
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 C; A0 {7 d' Hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 S7 K, b5 t5 rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 B6 z: \7 X# i& S; f: d5 J
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
  e- R! U( o8 o) q4 D$ B" I# ?Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.$ K  ~, Z3 K; f, h9 ]% w0 H) K
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  g; ~7 Y+ ], e& Unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, g0 d' I( F0 X. X( Y) Qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # A. k: M3 J/ r3 o8 A
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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5 G; Z. ~5 l- W3 Aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 y! C3 X% q* o7 r; t: m1 gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 m' X9 e. I5 o8 {* }For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
$ o2 J- R$ p, O- V6 F) L; V3 c: F4 UA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 @+ T- V0 l1 t; F6 v, T
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % l! F; J! s# \5 Y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 E9 h$ Z0 ?6 g8 _7 ^+ q- o[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% e( H9 l0 U5 n$ d
Refer to last example,8 m- S- _0 n* x4 {* V# B: V' }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
  `: ?, @. h" S, H! v+ ?Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
+ }( w( l; _7 a6 [$ r3 Ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 E- g/ Z: U8 {+ Z5 ]$ lA->B->C->D->E
) r9 U7 j5 \/ k& c& N! gso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 E5 N$ o; V6 [
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % G% m+ {" U# y' h- l
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
& W2 t6 m( A, q  O+ T6 Kit's the problem of the debt itself.8 B: z! G3 A! G# t# @! z3 p
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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! [( h7 C2 C  K* q3 n全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) M4 ?/ M( N, g& O1 u% y3 R1 L
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敬請各師兄解答# W! e% r( v' x& w6 G4 u5 |: @

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那些根本係 紙上財富  / b: A* K2 L# h* R, D8 x
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
8 P. s: j9 P$ ^當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; H% p8 R! m- [2 A於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 h: G2 C% c  c0 p/ N0 K9 O- R個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: e3 b9 l! ~& H, ]0 T
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' _/ m& y) w9 J3 N( z3 F! @$ k
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# U; Z/ K; y; V6 h7 I* ^1 }5 T前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 r, k. g6 K0 w8 F- ^1 B/ M! y7 m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
+ a5 G& ~" n1 t, W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 `2 Z- g$ e! Q2 J( x例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, , k# y3 P* i4 ?. b: ?2 a0 _
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 k# y) N, [2 g  e- o) ^6 T所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' q6 S5 X  l- b6 u7 u% P
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * @) s  k$ W$ j! X
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% H' {$ q3 g: |2 F6 S8 o; ^" h" Z- O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : }5 f! w, ~/ j3 h. J
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 {& n4 ^6 E9 K3 ]9 l3 N6 f- F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 R0 n6 W* \+ n4 b3 ~9 O  M2 \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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$ h% H' M# [) F, X; w( B3 J正係咁樣
% R: C& F  o8 z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 m* U* I. I9 ]' c
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( G# \/ W' s' Z9 I5 d

& z8 \) ]3 [, W' Q+ k再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 c' k0 z; |0 n2 P- l
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 C( y$ \5 h9 ?& h一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產4 Z: v" X) [3 a7 b  X$ I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* {$ q, ?* k9 {  }+ z- K' H! ~  l
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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( T# A0 P( {4 F9 J: D; b因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 Z. a6 F) @" j/ _  s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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