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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 F. _! d& f8 Y- E7 o  K
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! j3 V8 a$ n. S/ ~
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢( ~+ `8 c4 l$ z& a, t
so銀行可以不斷放款, @/ \3 o; V. |* @6 o* D
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 P* v2 S  C' N# Y6 s

7 e+ w) _3 M. Xmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ \0 T8 y( o7 o$ u5 `% U! p! A3 v' ?
>arranger
) E9 D1 s! H( s8 C1 ^" D* y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation), J# M1 J: l- A& v+ h; G
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ e+ w) p6 l3 p, q8 @/ S/ }4 b
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F," Z8 ]6 L: T. I1 B3 d# H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( L5 [' s0 b0 ~8 {9 imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return," d  M1 P, M1 @3 g  H# r1 R
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( I% p$ K) f# gAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& w+ `% j1 p, X/ @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 ]8 M# e) f1 Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) g0 n0 P2 A% N! s7 y# `& A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 u' I7 x3 I9 u6 i: b* {
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 \9 A! y; y, R. A3 P

! r; v- ^9 W, O( A: z/ D. P+ L# [im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- I6 f1 M$ ~' n$ _7 s& i7 g
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, i+ f) `1 t* P. ^6 n( D4 T3 QFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
5 q1 B8 i* x# m0 B9 PA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: L; w- @; F9 z1 i" d! K2 eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : K3 q4 g+ `; A7 _# }
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 Q4 o) g. N% S0 Q+ A0 K, u. I
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: V  y( E+ \5 F
Refer to last example,& \: i* a% g0 y9 s/ I0 u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * \7 M! J4 K5 k5 I' [; N/ }
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 E7 ]7 b' ]7 M( ^2 }2 _therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E/ }. Q( H: }' k4 e2 {9 A
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
+ `/ @) J; [& Q) B9 Y1 ^8 eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 ?* i* m" \) s4 r% V' K
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( {# S4 U* y% d5 o4 X* k' x
it's the problem of the debt itself.
  ~8 c" w8 i% E- c! [. m% vthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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" x6 m% |& M8 g/ ^9 P# n; l' U全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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, Y8 N2 y' r% |  A無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( [- B, t# S5 K9 l( ~8 v

8 E  y" ?5 d% Q7 R8 c1 ^3 \敬請各師兄解答9 ]+ e: ~8 H* w$ p

+ D+ K, X1 f! u0 |' ~+ G1 x! dThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  . Q! V6 ?$ c7 S5 }) ^5 ]8 d
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) f- V# V5 V) \2 I, D2 j
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* ?; p+ ]' S) C+ O
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 l8 L& E' I$ C7 }於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 o9 n( ^8 ]. V: |
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* y' I7 Y. n) v. t& R$ l
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 }/ n0 p; v  @6 M1 R
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  V) k: o0 ^5 d5 y9 q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 b7 T! V6 w" P7 A' Q3 Q7 l) z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* W* d2 e6 y( w& P: o/ G. E+ z2 n4 E
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* j! A2 Q. p  r" N例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 I/ @' ?5 b( Y9 ^5 o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ M' E! P1 B' M# b/ g  N6 n2 [) C所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, y1 n+ U$ `' \6 F, v8 L9 n, N, A

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但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " h5 ]& S& Y' ]4 z2 h7 {
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" G9 [; l4 M4 D( [, a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 e9 x/ e3 \* V, q& r# G0 Z8 r( u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 D. V& C" ?6 W4 d3 J
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 a2 d0 ?* {% i% _& |( H& `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" O' S: N; n- l4 D; f& m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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3 [8 w3 x) B0 x# J正係咁樣
+ q3 l, k1 S- L0 t# U其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- G7 M, n; z# E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 u: l3 e- n! g- P再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,8 l; G) V6 s. k3 a$ N9 R2 r, S
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  {- h- Z! h" @0 I+ }5 q一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 p. x( Z( {( A
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& u; H  b$ V% `2 H* Z: B% A+ b8 a* N咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ ~! [) Q% S3 s5 k. _1 I7 R其實係...
* N4 q" W' \: g9 x6 D. u1 @( ]$ {+ _因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ Z; m1 t1 W: B8 U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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