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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 m$ O" B3 }! w" [5 q+ W4 n5 L
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" M6 {2 i% G8 u9 n
I was so confused.....
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2 u+ L/ K$ Q3 \- l5 D講到尾都係賺錢
# o& ^! {! k$ c4 C$ tso銀行可以不斷放款; v& ?6 e6 j: z* b$ [! B
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 `+ ?" p  K; r+ H
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mortgage loan # j& {% e' I' Q. y$ E) x
>conduit
# H# @* h% t( Z3 E>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" B5 L5 m( e2 g: }/ d1 A
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
* U5 L* D" M" _* C2 Z3 `* sCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' c7 M, E2 O2 w* ]
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 C+ s0 A% y8 g* B$ i7 s, y7 [: Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, q/ K/ L  n! A- S
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; F5 u$ R4 b5 g$ \' m9 K
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& j* S' n: k' W. o# W
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 [; |3 W( e/ ?4 \, [1 }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 u/ K) L' K6 |. b. p! z7 x% u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ; d1 \" K9 V: l/ ^
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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% F( F5 g/ H! N$ I6 U. U9 Pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% ?: x1 D1 V7 Z6 Kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( a6 S  s/ y. [+ P; v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# C$ c6 z' k; @' Q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ Z# q: j4 Z5 U6 l( `5 N+ q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # ^6 ^& o$ r( [, r& e
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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" N! S) s. e) `/ C4 P% `[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 E9 M: g  Z1 n; v: U1 D
Refer to last example,
, \( k* @% x+ [& G1 ]that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 7 O0 ^, w: V3 K8 G
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
$ P! ?" r3 B- ?* N/ C! b$ ]therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
' ?5 z9 a1 o" t, W# kso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
! [  t' t; u# g; P% k5 l- L1 mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- V& N( n6 a5 A

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: z# D8 r) i/ n$ l/ j- xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 |8 f7 k& }5 B+ [$ Nin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
: h2 t, U2 Q9 Z8 m& ]it's the problem of the debt itself.' R5 A6 D7 d/ d0 C, g
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. Z- R; q" t0 G$ V- A8 X6 c
小弟一直都唔明...- {  U6 d6 x  U- G. @/ E
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; G; K( P1 A7 Y: T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 E2 Y, t' d# r& [- v
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敬請各師兄解答
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: M% \  s6 L3 `' K1 Y) h那些根本係 紙上財富  7 n, O- u2 Q+ d+ ^2 x) Z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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# @0 |) i) x. u! c5 n# E4 Ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 r7 D1 }$ Q+ F2 E$ M* a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# {& l6 i6 U0 e* v3 G
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  |. K. n* J$ t% {6 W3 X& z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- P+ d3 L, o5 k0 K3 U扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 O5 @% o, l6 L+ F' e' H
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ J5 g- H/ `3 S" `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 b- j/ x) J0 Y; D同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, Y; S4 Q' s5 a# m( i. S但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* f# V- z# x5 E; K& x2 W# J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; l+ H4 _8 ?0 X  b' [. y( ^咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ Y) L0 g& H5 q8 Y! w2 a6 B所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% S7 J6 @2 ~$ }/ a: H+ y0 }
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" Q  N4 ~7 p' }& P但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( A; K) u4 H; Y/ A% S  y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 j* C( m1 g, c9 O/ i8 C# a$ P呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ y6 [6 y- p0 b* d! @* Q7 K1 y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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" M" S2 l& N5 Z! I正係咁樣
2 k% I* a2 [1 Y6 q1 T4 x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 a2 Z) M8 K/ R* h1 _4 k' l分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' \% I; h* A& T$ t9 \

8 \  k) k( X3 ^" v  y3 U$ a再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  j$ I6 x2 k6 }+ E連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# E) a9 R; @" ^2 @
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 L- m# x7 u3 t! y) |; Z
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 u6 r2 X; v% X, z# S5 }
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費* f' t. ?3 ]0 h- F' E$ |6 K6 v- l
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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