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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 t, u% z& h6 b; a0 u) }
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; c5 b! f6 F" h- N7 G
I was so confused.....
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6 k) J$ O% m, w' ]/ @講到尾都係賺錢
7 u9 D( \6 w" W; i2 P8 d; wso銀行可以不斷放款
4 N0 r2 a3 y& _/ H. T' a3 X3 z美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- f; k  u8 }$ h% b- J7 o, K3 K

' m# K! F, p6 i/ _- kmortgage loan
+ S$ e* o; d. j: S' \>conduit. A5 `* ~0 A' G" _
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! z- p0 `; l1 {0 `
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)) V0 h0 J- s4 x9 y0 R- V3 H) z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; C! S0 o0 }- ]2 }
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& b* g' t/ T8 l% Tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  R( q& a2 _! T
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
! W( C* b- O+ c% s/ s, z  o4 Jin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.8 N8 \7 u6 ^+ y$ J+ O" ^
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& r& H( E& d: m) O4 g- gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
$ _; m/ @5 N% n1 K$ Y, c  l" n; snormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 t6 U# h% {: B; {% meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" i: @  b1 v9 b+ Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# x0 l3 T  n, F$ P( k) N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ q2 }' }, R$ X3 Z- MFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. e8 j. d2 j& N
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- d$ |; ~( c5 BThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) K8 X- J0 t& z& w: Nbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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3 U/ ]; ^! ?; w, i[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 q( R( R+ F) p" Z4 y: o1 L) N5 nRefer to last example,
( ~( V" F/ B# L( d# ~+ r7 K% Othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
6 N! G) \: s: N- f5 Q  jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 H% ~" L3 J. \8 w! X& ]. W# Htherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& T& s- m: L# @( z+ ]) {! p' y2 ~so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; [8 Z& r, q0 j2 t8 S  E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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, ]+ x. t9 n* W3 [' \# xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ d- o' m9 ^* h0 S" D/ ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - y0 O' S) T  }6 N2 t1 }# y
it's the problem of the debt itself.3 w4 c$ p& E4 B8 k( k3 j+ J
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. E/ c" n+ K" l9 b小弟一直都唔明...# b& N3 {: |. _! [/ c7 r

# Y2 `' T; T% [) R全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 Y  ~' B5 k9 M. l7 V; \

' J6 u5 U$ H) D: L8 v6 D$ A" f' z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., z- g& f" M# E: ?2 Y3 ~0 r

4 }2 C; B" n1 a1 k敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 O1 ?5 f$ w& d/ A各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 ^2 J) ^+ S; k' i, X0 r, L( V
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* G$ f8 k2 |% V; d6 V* T8 i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 P) p/ z4 u0 B3 G8 h' O/ l+ L於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! B3 l( z8 C9 E' j, Z5 V+ a! I) c
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' p, z4 d8 C' V2 i4 ?1 D4 {- u扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 u, c9 G# p% `  W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 Z& [$ k9 E* B6 y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法* M' u- \8 ?0 u7 s% T! ^
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  O2 M, `* W) o9 t
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 j: G/ S0 G% n7 m5 v, j# t. e
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
- D2 G6 f6 u# [( Q* K咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 i1 Y0 d! I2 w, W, K* V& m$ F+ J
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 P0 V" h" }/ K7 h8 v+ Z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" v6 z; X& i3 h' u1 U淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( Q5 C  n% F% d; i' X; q8 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 g7 s! J1 O# Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; S/ J9 c! i8 F' v% D  m# Z" w: K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 D0 t' Y/ E& O3 Z% J$ ~) _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 D# r0 ]& z7 ?! W) @正係咁樣
! j/ n% l! R8 c7 u1 g2 {其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 y1 T# U6 Y1 N. T( C
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; z) Y, B- Y: f6 H
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,$ B( [9 h& i2 k  l8 w( |* H
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票* _* u  a1 ^) t" l& C1 O
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) L1 F! r) M( p2 R: v編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 ?0 Y9 x9 l, n" w! F5 H咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' t. [: Y- ^! X2 r$ `其實係...
! f  o/ O5 R- o1 U% H. }- l( i因為以前未生產, 先消費/ y, ^& Y" s5 `# n9 X
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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