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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 ~" G- d$ q# d  H0 H3 E
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* }1 P4 h: j8 r1 ]8 f( ]I was so confused.....
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3 q% V! i; E) ^講到尾都係賺錢* h8 n! G( j( N
so銀行可以不斷放款& V$ S6 x. i7 }0 l! A* k
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ) M# k! A: }0 \  [" K' G9 O" B
>conduit
1 J8 |) y  C  }+ U" O+ J>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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2 y5 D4 o4 x$ q- d( |$ }# J/ y0 H% q>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 ?7 a; g8 G3 V0 ]  L' ~CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ I, c8 V! K! Q7 Smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ T7 J; E8 h, o2 x% T6 e5 Mmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, W! S- S  _$ p! u* j. W" I, Y2 |
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# L1 G9 p- H/ k! T4 ]) F( C
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 a! o4 d0 i7 K2 i$ k* [/ Q% K0 Jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,5 ~5 L6 U$ x5 C# |0 u
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 T0 x0 o: ~" ]" E" Z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - O" ~+ s) d  n# x  _
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% d. S4 {2 w9 vin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  |$ e7 H% L- S7 XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ o4 n* ?! }* J! U! a9 ZA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.( }* C( W) ^! h/ R6 k. |% ?( y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 l) M$ y  d0 q% V) `4 s& A+ I3 u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( j) _. x( \! y' E8 t* o

: i4 N: n7 s* d3 ?8 d3 C[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( V2 {1 g& u1 l- TRefer to last example,2 `/ k: F9 K/ i; N# W
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 j- X7 b! q4 M( O8 `) [6 `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 ~1 r0 Q- i- Z. \( m( htherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
6 U" f% k3 `( u% J/ vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- ~- o4 \' C0 o( {) tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 J7 |2 F; m/ G& P$ Pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 v; B$ v# T, ?8 Y) q, K2 D( |' d0 bit's the problem of the debt itself.
0 {2 c) T" @9 u7 l, a. P" N! Cthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; ?. J0 I) O3 i
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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; H3 W6 B$ E. Y& s4 ^# T敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
! q3 e3 F5 H4 D% p3 ^) j各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic" [8 Z+ @8 H( f2 i' \; ~: ?
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" w) G2 M4 [: G2 m4 y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: Z% Y8 S' a1 W0 Q, u9 T
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊: Q5 v) C5 z* }* v
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( _' ~% h# F# D$ K( L2 H; y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 i0 h6 u( Z3 n- x計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 c4 x  A( u9 ^% C0 r前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法6 k/ `2 r. k/ ^5 t& o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ S8 l+ T0 n% c5 a$ E1 s3 w3 u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ D% F$ w" W3 q9 W( y/ W# G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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4 y. b" l) @3 T( z( V2 \" V& M# w你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& E* R3 H* G6 J% E3 {但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * D  I3 P) d( Z: I, j! {
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 Z2 w/ f5 N& m( ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' x) V  o# W* T5 @. @
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ P* M. s; Z+ M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 J) `. H# q( i( `0 J7 E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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4 q( t$ U) I& t$ ^3 b正係咁樣. w' o. T9 m6 q: w
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 t- F4 c) s- ?, O- n
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 D* r8 Q! X0 l8 }9 k6 c
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 Y' c$ A0 t  H* I: s
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# l! ^4 X' w+ T2 Q
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ k5 ?- V' x" J: ^- L咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 N+ l# \, S: B: L/ s
因為以前未生產, 先消費
* t! s: \4 J6 _% |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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