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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 e& Z% e# {( ^* S; w) I0 ?
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???. k1 `" _& I# G$ R
I was so confused.....
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: P. W7 Y- X4 p3 i講到尾都係賺錢, l4 k( T/ K* y" T
so銀行可以不斷放款
6 g2 O& @. X. P& s9 R0 I美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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6 c7 E7 d! l! Vmortgage loan # Z. C' R8 e1 g" n- L
>conduit8 y6 ]# S8 q; P! n' |3 }# A
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( e$ b4 K7 i5 p2 F
>arranger
5 F& X$ Z- V  O- V>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- C! y. E& h) @; f+ Q/ ECDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 e# l: u0 W3 ?. Z* Y/ V9 bmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 d2 h- w- G! ^# s6 W
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 `4 w- L8 z# U" s1 I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
/ k5 o5 x4 l, `5 M* S; q5 V  |) MAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& `  u! ?5 d; csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 ^% A' e- ]) n2 v# t' i8 `normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% ?2 J& F) r% a* m( J3 Beg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( \+ z* Y. ^* k% ^' g  d% g- U3 m, `banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 z4 P1 _+ W* r- A* p3 ^
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; Q# j5 a2 Y- S, L9 U8 P% Y: n
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
) V& t' @/ z& w% k5 lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; }2 @2 `( x- i8 K2 ^
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.3 U& A$ }" `5 G& g7 u
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 ^8 w, ^. O) f% O) L
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& i5 K' U5 ~# `. Q$ a! k8 l
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 t6 e7 y* u- l. E# F) C- p( QRefer to last example,0 f" x! I7 X! {0 y- [5 c2 `/ z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A . M: o3 [, \% t) \0 ^1 L% O) `4 B
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : |! b* m4 x' D: _* u* Y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 e1 L4 X  G% M& c- O5 W8 w0 |A->B->C->D->E
% F- Q3 o$ r  K+ [+ _% [5 R7 n* yso does it mean if E failed to pay D,   u( L5 q. G! q; l
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ; ^3 Q+ ]# N8 n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 K/ Q4 b, `( e! V) S% w7 s5 G
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 @% j$ C% d5 Y9 K' t
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 F6 q7 l0 I" U6 Z, y( ^" m* d/ p; k小弟一直都唔明...6 p3 t9 A5 H; p; I' n  ]
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 c: I$ o+ Z) @, f9 p
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& O/ `# q* a6 z. q; k- H敬請各師兄解答
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0 ~6 O7 H+ X$ \1 E  }8 tThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
4 S6 W4 c% u+ r3 n% |* F各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# }) v4 M8 u- r/ u

: K; n7 n, I, Jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* g8 K8 I; X8 b
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! s6 i, l" \# @! r, e
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, I8 i; P5 `  d* l7 s+ g$ A
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
6 t! W$ M2 o$ |4 d9 ]* n4 G/ A扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ N2 P# [# J( s7 m7 Z$ k
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ |1 E9 ^/ A: s! u
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ N8 t2 @# V6 o" {' U5 [+ z. H, d& S3 \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
- j" y7 ^  Z$ E( k9 _但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 Q1 F  K+ j3 n" U' W$ Y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 e& h7 X$ t1 U( ?0 b2 x, L咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# X5 l* R2 f- @" l所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# @! t$ z. k# ^- S% \* L' f但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  w7 |  R6 h. U* E6 h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  h3 Z7 d$ p$ ^4 b2 s, b# _1 c呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, N$ L. n/ l7 m3 `
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 O; C% ]' [% {; d% i4 J唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 Q3 Q9 Y: k; G: X& q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" Q6 m4 x4 G- Y+ F7 }! K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* X* ~1 j" o/ \, B
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣9 X9 l0 w5 |% L' E0 o; j
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 T; t; Y5 a, @4 b4 ?! ]3 s分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' ~. a& r1 O0 g0 M8 V

+ l. p: e; o, ]/ p再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 m4 V0 d" K* ~& w  N連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, C% ]) a  G2 ^+ I. v! S2 D
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
2 ]- R6 e8 l! B; b9 @. a1 K' B7 P% W* P/ u編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 Y6 t- `6 l* V" @2 J$ D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
* G3 Y( X: [; c$ k* s5 ~* U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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