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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: x9 i/ k# ~  m& V3 ?
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! R* U$ u7 v4 L6 N1 x! j9 }
I was so confused.....
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/ S. D7 R+ b5 z1 U% q2 r7 q講到尾都係賺錢. S- ]: Y* d6 U- J' T
so銀行可以不斷放款' s3 V2 |# R( o) j/ U, W+ C/ |
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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+ ?7 H9 t% J: z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 O3 B& U  v' P6 j
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( m5 W5 B3 {" z1 w$ d/ c8 ^! \/ |
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
0 Q7 M+ `# y1 L7 t* r" [4 Tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 x3 @, J0 H9 u; [
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; D6 v3 }' e8 z/ n* }1 y
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." I/ _. m$ T& |
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; ~7 ~6 S4 p3 P) {9 o7 q# Msimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 J. c2 c0 b* n% x  h
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% u& j; c# d! peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 O& f0 m# ]( K' d2 p
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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: C( l; g0 l8 E) Y9 x, ^im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
* u1 F8 r+ q# ~# a3 [( hin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
- J9 L, O; n8 b, @2 @: XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. h! ?% E$ _8 z  U) d+ GA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# h0 f4 k2 F* ]9 s. w' H7 R
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " Y5 K; t% r  a5 k, {
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% O' R8 y; H2 ]8 k& h
Refer to last example,
) @/ \* W+ J, B3 B+ q8 jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 N7 [2 G- z. B: Q' C
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 v0 l# z* [# H; h' j' n7 k, N( Mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E: m! z2 p# R+ c
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 ]7 H1 ]' u3 S& z2 W
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + P! T9 ?/ X7 P; R0 k
it's the problem of the debt itself.4 W# y* K/ L; \0 p$ N6 z/ B  l
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ i( i5 o8 ]5 i+ b  w小弟一直都唔明...
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: h. V; v! L+ S+ I+ i全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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* U# g5 ~: X! r( j7 t# d0 s0 J無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( L0 _: a8 N. R* K5 L& H; h

# _  h& t7 Q; M3 D敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
6 ~1 {' z* o$ o2 w; R那些根本係 紙上財富  ; N2 W2 D+ J/ ^& u" z4 M- N  [
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic( g2 G) S% m% ~* M( A

. e) |  [( c* Y& r6 Y3 [* Phttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產0 N; b, p4 {: z5 R* }) P6 u2 i7 ^
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 E" f9 c1 O( M! O$ b於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 F% c4 p8 T6 I* D9 S9 H& M
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ i, T0 k. V1 M* ~6 m  t( I& y8 \
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ w2 D$ y, r. w+ I7 f9 L% b% A計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- p6 w4 m# O0 ^, f
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 L1 Q. t6 f5 a7 T2 E5 `3 r8 P
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
+ ^% F! G$ o; x" W0 W  E% X7 Z但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) B; N  K0 R+ n* Z! [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  n6 Z  A2 X! V; [. S- b咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 P7 J7 a* z) E; g# Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 S( k. m$ T1 V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" {) ^5 |: f) [# @# K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  D- B) Q- M7 j+ {1 `6 z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; I4 W, W1 ~" ^1 j9 B8 r) P
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % G$ A- h. R2 z" I" C: t% F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
' i& w5 Y' g. \6 x% J" @4 n其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* Z7 I3 _& K2 G  Z" j
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 O, h3 F/ b% K  u3 i連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 G" x& w- y5 [! d( y6 k# j" `
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 a& _! z, P) @- K. x編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ I; n6 |7 g& r* ~3 S8 ^咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 ]( g# g* n" x2 b3 H其實係...
' R( Y$ x: o0 I0 o! I* o因為以前未生產, 先消費! @9 g' c- z+ v3 q/ |+ Y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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