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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 s# X: a9 o8 P% \9 D$ |6 SWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. l( ^0 l2 `5 ^5 _$ r9 g/ W) fI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& q9 `% S5 i3 v* K- i$ ^
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# h1 |  D3 \& [4 G- f' F3 w. [
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 z0 z5 c3 e' n2 A' h  f, [CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ v( q) G+ u6 [/ o0 xmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.- L/ f; S: y% q& s0 p+ t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ }7 n6 C/ W. z, @2 W; D5 N' n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* p# K2 k) e( q1 C1 R! R- w
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 y" M& M% O, J8 k$ @$ @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: Z' c' |2 E4 F2 q' e% h; znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  D) b2 S) i. Y  V* g2 F9 z3 t/ ^eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) ]0 |; d5 H* ^& g; ]banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 N/ g; ?  n5 M
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 u0 G/ F4 f: {9 ?5 _
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 Y" M- ?8 [8 c2 c" y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
& }% s$ P1 ]' ~1 u0 m: {A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: U1 V1 y- ~9 v9 S& h5 U) q7 GThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# S+ b6 U2 j6 U" q* W1 Kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.7 ]; W; U/ J- g3 Q' I3 g# _
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- F  H2 [8 Q- o* e! A
Refer to last example,
# T: l; w5 B' u5 H* C' K9 _0 `that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! B+ i2 c; H2 N: R5 A% ]8 GBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( ?# R0 _% l6 n1 Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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# Q- Z8 Q+ d+ N; m" F1 }+ iA->B->C->D->E
+ P9 @0 K3 ~$ F. W4 V) Jso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 D0 q+ e6 E% s& i- w) W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & W, w1 y$ W, a7 P# M6 ^
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, # |7 n8 N$ a% y% v: u) I
it's the problem of the debt itself.  A( n" x4 _1 }
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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4 h0 [, n; I' ]敬請各師兄解答
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- W( ?: h" ^- g) vThanks
- n6 t' x6 o3 w$ j, B那些根本係 紙上財富  6 k3 b+ v9 j1 W* h( w
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. [5 N4 Z2 D$ m/ ]
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
' _- }* @+ v7 N5 t7 h: K; B) A於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 u* B0 J4 k: s- F; E7 x* u
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* a+ T) `' C  {7 s4 x+ S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 y2 x: ?+ o* h, H0 T% H5 l同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ q: A+ c0 o9 u8 [& Z6 W: p但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) ?& y, I, S3 X
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % V% Y* X' I7 |! R2 A$ F, h% Y: k
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 G" V6 [8 i. y" o0 J4 I
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 M& s2 I0 p) |" r  Q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 K$ j8 [) F( r) X淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 D$ o# s2 z: Z1 _. i- r  M
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % r0 e8 i2 U9 C* Y4 o0 P7 R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% T' M4 |/ }. X! D- o8 k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
/ q; i# [6 M0 v1 h8 M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: s( q4 |! J7 ]* B0 r正係咁樣: c( m7 ]! m$ ]4 w- r) I
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ \& U$ l; {) D分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 \( g4 z4 P# |* W% v1 N/ W5 s) [

% l6 n: X& l5 I再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 o8 k/ t+ P. l# D* D連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 H6 Q3 _8 B5 t  ~% \* d
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
: _( p2 R6 @$ v- C8 C3 q編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 T  T: g  n& l9 t2 t, ?; r
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 i0 S3 _& L# D
因為以前未生產, 先消費& `! p! {- }! o% u+ W: n3 s4 E
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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