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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ t/ R( Q8 T* e/ _& b
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 t# |- @$ |) zI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢- }) V, _. t" R8 i% k6 r1 u2 p
so銀行可以不斷放款
) t& N3 g6 {8 X& u% z5 d) o美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 Z- {- U9 m2 e) h) q7 l7 p

8 O+ T6 R; U) t3 b' m* b1 wmortgage loan 7 z3 h, Y0 @" A
>conduit
+ x: }. [/ g! a1 A. s+ V( j/ q>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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7 u) [! d! }+ ?9 U7 f( m>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& W  o# I+ s) p  M, Z3 t
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
# t* `4 O2 s! l6 b, ^: amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! V$ _7 d3 O4 |6 t- g1 }
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. z+ K- c8 g+ n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* |7 Y, X% p7 i8 [, Y4 O
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 W9 K; x7 a! Isimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,4 P- ~, {: D7 X  ?/ X; ~) T
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, b& `) O: g. d$ t* \6 g% p* e1 w  heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
. D8 y9 h+ k1 e6 [banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* N) s4 o6 F) |2 w" X
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) J/ p0 j+ G# d( O) e( e
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. v4 s* X; d1 ]' w% n: A# T
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ I5 R& `) x' a! a
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% O3 @+ g8 X" K& ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 0 H  N, T0 }# M9 i
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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' }8 P! a% l, j5 c9 l9 `[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 b3 _5 ?9 z# _Refer to last example,
  d- W0 X3 \# B: d0 Othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* M2 b* B. L) dBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand " H7 {% s  }+ p1 G$ |
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
* b* T# O5 s) oso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 S8 g" Z. f8 s; D' I% Kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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( ~' J+ ~3 N8 S1 Qthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
! _$ f  H" `) [in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * A# ~9 j1 r3 x, @
it's the problem of the debt itself.. a( P% T, `5 [2 r
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ Q8 C& y; T: l. v8 v4 M. K1 A3 m
小弟一直都唔明.../ U+ B. ]! m( f( U8 z
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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/ M, u2 M, }) q4 i1 b無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( W) a$ F& ~) @- A$ Z
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ l2 Z4 S+ Z2 T8 f& k# d各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 D0 e4 F0 V* k9 C$ f
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 y& P9 Z6 S8 ^& [) p7 O2 ^% a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
: d1 ?! _- k$ ^3 {) t4 N# a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 U" g" \( I: u$ S' Z+ o' T& ]6 D
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 g- b7 S: s3 V* U) |扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,# p6 o6 s: b5 d
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- k7 \+ p% O9 I5 \/ {
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& `2 `9 A9 \4 f( H% Z0 B# ~2 N同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
2 F0 @4 O- s) Q但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) t+ ^* X* Q9 M1 _! @  x
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & S* l1 K, A" b. T+ N$ K" f
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 \" n" X+ p0 d% I
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; V7 p% G6 P: ?3 a
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 u) G* z; [5 W! |: r) b, j
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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  A: M: P  y! t* `5 z- O正係咁樣/ \8 N" _: u2 v7 X) J2 p) l. |
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 n; e$ J# \* h" A) h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  \7 k, ]; ]% O, O

9 C0 _2 z6 J& u% v* L/ g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," s+ G9 r7 C( _: \3 d
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' ^! b7 \# I2 _  }7 m* W5 V
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ }: I! v) n$ [; l編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 F; y  [; {/ I2 k
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費- y- x3 y& y) K- I
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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