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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 L- ^9 k1 V) n( H$ UWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 x- U8 l+ Y! T. d9 }; C
I was so confused.....
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- B! f7 ^1 r- V講到尾都係賺錢" g1 ]" B! H$ ]
so銀行可以不斷放款
( b* k3 K8 j! b4 R) I6 L9 }5 r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) o" ~7 _! k( u5 P2 `; W

, J% i; B% ~3 b$ Omortgage loan * Q, t0 m" r2 d7 _+ v% s$ [- C
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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# t3 b: A2 g+ T. J0 O* Z& N2 ?/ x) i: P>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)8 o+ `4 \' `* T6 U! n$ W5 Q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 }1 I0 S+ T8 }" PCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- o7 i  @, E! x$ w; p: X9 V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( |+ f+ [: `4 q" E) Q9 pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( A9 w, ~& s; i2 E+ H9 l1 h
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: `3 N! i2 A5 c7 @( O( R# qAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.5 Y, K3 f( N+ {! n; U1 I* A; {3 m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* H- p; W8 A2 E7 knormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# y+ F7 s9 G# K* v& i; Veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 J. o% ^0 L/ T5 `* P/ vbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.$ Z, t/ n# U, S1 n' \( M  r: y

5 q: c  l! k- x# r, a; m; Mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 _5 ]- E# }, X1 s4 h
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
7 E9 h/ A9 v" cFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! _# a) X) C) U* i+ e& fA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- [$ R) w) g& o, J+ H! m
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 @/ o0 }$ b- Vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* B3 E- g$ n! ]  u9 c# V  _
Refer to last example,- Y  Z6 V  v# a! ]) S
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) ?9 r+ i+ ~) Q2 t. J: K9 SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , Z7 A& S; G) r2 z( A/ G/ V9 f" B8 M
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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* e2 `* g, r5 y3 p. q1 R; P0 GA->B->C->D->E
2 c" h& m/ y/ G3 r9 F# _/ lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) b6 I5 Z+ X1 f# j5 Q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- ^% [& ^5 t& O- H; N

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' a2 g5 ~  a# P5 kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% i8 {2 L% Q6 g9 W, f3 u3 c" ]: Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * ]; o4 t9 ^' o, W: o' c
it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 w! _8 u$ w: b& [! Ithe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" i4 G$ v* X4 E8 P, F% g1 A3 W
小弟一直都唔明...- }' L% L& e% [/ b) s
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* P% l% B. {7 `, E- Z1 F' f: _. {2 e0 ]
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ' n$ o5 q6 l' y5 C4 `0 K0 l1 z, W
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
0 Y/ O' F, s$ U- D( n7 Q  i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& {+ }2 t6 a- m  U* l5 F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ i" w  B9 H: c6 j& S+ w
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
# Y0 E7 W5 N7 R& r) y: i扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: w; s6 D- f6 q! r. A8 A& q9 p
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( L+ t! T3 f7 K# ?8 S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" }: P. L- d+ _# r) {  S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 Y; A" c/ p8 z8 S$ A/ ?" O但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- A3 n, o+ @/ Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 r8 @! t3 i7 W: p8 L$ ]# T6 ?
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%/ b8 I, l3 n/ z- N9 V
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ n2 d% F" i5 A
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' P& U! H: Z. {2 m* J& _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - a9 C+ J# t/ F6 o( K8 u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   _! T  l- a- @; a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 h7 V9 e3 S; N2 s, p& e" @6 Y9 X) R
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 n% `. w% M8 |' v
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( _8 B9 o1 J& z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 q$ v% E$ ^; k/ K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' m% P' F9 k# G5 V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# ?$ [% U( i1 q1 ^& j正係咁樣
+ T/ W0 C9 A6 Y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 H3 D. b6 O( J
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" x0 v- M0 {: d

2 v/ E( f1 t, Q4 j2 z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 j4 |6 Z& x% b+ q$ o+ a+ w& B, [6 q2 \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 c# _8 A& g( a% {9 z
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ n2 @2 {. A) q; ]編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 z9 P) N; g7 F咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
/ g6 h5 h1 }/ }1 I% Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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