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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 T0 p5 }' x4 _  B8 ~5 oWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???, F  q2 z, R4 `: o5 p4 E
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢% i" n" R4 y  Q
so銀行可以不斷放款  l. U# y6 }7 y& M, W5 x/ J
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' e3 C/ g5 `5 J0 O0 R

" i4 A$ g1 x+ Z$ E& a  Z3 ]8 z' `mortgage loan
4 |( Q# R. h1 {" X/ S" Q: D; a& ~>conduit
5 Z( W2 ^/ W- P: _>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& I3 {' Q) f( e8 E" S$ C% i
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,) ~' Z- }: }& P7 k1 a& p$ j+ Y- P
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' c- A7 @9 m6 {3 C
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( v" A# ]( n3 n; i+ g1 Q. ysimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, w1 R" m1 E2 ?9 Unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , j2 b8 {: R# n, p0 N4 s  g( n. P
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.   x1 V# Z8 G5 n
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
3 ?7 [) X, Z2 I" jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* m7 M  `, a+ X  a( {
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 F( s( N6 A& u. j. h! S4 R/ j* B9 S
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' |) z9 W8 E& _6 d! ]The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# i, [8 C# j2 B! g8 O. {but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( K+ H: d, K# d- P% V- L
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ v; w  u0 Y" t( ^
Refer to last example,4 D' Y' P* ^9 X* A
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
3 q- ]% {5 s9 zBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
) P$ F0 ~6 `+ d( r. g, O' ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E+ ^. ~) `* x3 C0 V" T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 g1 B' m: T/ t2 e6 R1 X6 Y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?9 G$ y) H, B; o  c4 Y# X9 c% l

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
- f. G# q# s$ N4 w* D6 Tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* E3 y3 q8 O, {9 ?; [% U6 Uit's the problem of the debt itself.
, z. g' @- l4 Pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答9 A+ e4 @- W5 J, m. g

8 D  o/ w) @1 ]Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  5 m( E& r# T# E6 I
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* |% `, d" G* T當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 H5 j7 Q) L* \9 L3 U" v& d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% N7 }$ H/ B0 e5 v) L
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
* m. b2 P* s5 d# u. J扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
" F$ v' J' ]' p; k* Z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ G2 x9 z3 C5 w# w6 Y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法( H" ]/ l2 p" s5 S- v: |
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% G# T% s! [( l& A+ Q- H% `
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 Y* R( `! ]& x4 L' h0 k8 Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& z& {, @% A$ X5 v" d2 O, M# ~咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%/ S2 p2 P) v5 H0 X" f3 B  v" S
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  y6 S7 u5 m- y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ v8 U$ ?  N2 B! f) }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, W4 U8 J1 |/ |, W- {. H% m6 j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" c  Y' A3 }: N
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% K/ O( e) W- D7 |5 e; x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; ?7 L6 S- W3 u. n- R% a" X- m! }$ k0 S正係咁樣
+ ~/ a2 ~0 D" W0 x/ T2 u& I2 s, Y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業5 C" [4 V  L; Q# f- u4 E# J
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' A3 H1 e; I" |( S" F
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- f: Q7 J9 U2 U& v7 ?: u3 \- t
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ w0 v  ?, c: N4 v6 f/ B
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產3 _# H( z, x# R3 f) b% A
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  D: i: O, u  f7 E! y6 p; u咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 a) k' ^' B5 ~; Y7 J其實係...
* h. V$ C7 X% v+ `8 F) w因為以前未生產, 先消費
; V3 n: `* w" Z8 p: y! W% R而家就要多生產, 少消費
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