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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: @, Q. ~  @' B. NWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 w8 x7 ^) I/ ]2 I6 [$ k; d6 o
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, T' s' w5 h  M# \' ~! _
so銀行可以不斷放款
' A$ i0 D/ S  Z7 W1 u) `美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)% n4 w5 s8 n8 m8 k; A) x: [
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; l7 X; ]1 L# \7 k% ICDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: U) e! k+ t9 g/ r# A( Z/ C! y" ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& X. L; B( b# a( Z- D! Y+ D) D$ `
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* B, s0 g+ h2 @1 Q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% m  T4 J6 Z* E& c0 s% }
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
9 w! e4 h7 g' p, C4 }similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
( U: p; E. |/ e; g% y% ]normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 M, r0 J: T; {: g) F' u& Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : w+ C; l$ R/ x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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; ^0 e2 d0 u2 r+ N  t1 c: Dim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
, M' U5 z' y9 v) Z  L+ Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.  `" t; |5 P6 V+ m* N3 M, B
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! x- m0 E9 s. ~, n$ kA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., T& ~6 N% t( x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " e; L& K1 }- O7 @
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 q; ?( h$ Z2 p9 H) u8 P
Refer to last example,4 N; H" }5 ?9 @6 |
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 w2 e, `- M( BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# X/ Y- H" _$ r0 u; ztherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 l0 o0 _, K& P  k' O9 EA->B->C->D->E
( Z: c) E, F7 Q3 zso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- \/ x4 M- r1 o5 k- eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, g# t& S; y) m5 S# qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,   `1 Y1 Y; j$ s3 c2 z3 T9 D
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. U& p- c) c1 P6 b* athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 ~/ Y1 ]5 }  N% n. `- z, s
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& S  g& C! X, Z
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( N# w5 a8 ?* S! x9 {* f各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產: F' ]& E" {; _. a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  Q( ~" \: A3 k9 ^3 `) e
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
1 I. y" R. P6 m. H3 Q/ _5 J+ M個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 J  v8 J6 B0 o* V" b8 A2 }2 o扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) h$ ~& X2 e$ P8 T# T% G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
& K& L1 T3 @1 i/ p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法. \& p! N$ X1 T) S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 n& o' n* R) P) c
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 r7 G6 A3 V4 o$ t; ]
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; L& @* Y2 V/ k) X+ U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( w: Q+ A; L' _  P5 K- O4 V) T
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( }1 `, q# d( D/ l
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 _; p! {/ [( N% ]1 Z' [) F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # x4 d! k5 h6 `% G7 v
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ B9 F$ f( e. p2 }# C5 j正係咁樣, i; s( L1 @5 ]8 m1 D" l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# |# H/ i) m5 ]2 s6 m
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 Q. ^  `5 z  n

* |! r% r) j, @. e3 z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% o" X7 w% f8 b. K: C
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  Y! M1 l; c4 H: S6 {7 N% u
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# p1 u- _# v& O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ N) a% a6 m3 T3 ~
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 C/ U6 B/ _; i' ^" h/ ^, a其實係...
7 @6 l, C' [/ |! W& J因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 ]1 W6 p) i4 a# O0 [而家就要多生產, 少消費
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