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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( c! x! }6 }& vWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
6 @/ G+ \% h" E, e% rI was so confused.....
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, `0 B% w8 j' l$ a講到尾都係賺錢
$ r# b( H  w; T) `2 L5 k. x  Tso銀行可以不斷放款
* s- x5 c0 s! n7 K9 l美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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: L9 k- g. ~( F$ E1 n8 g$ ^mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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: V0 b: O8 L6 w1 W& q' N1 X3 _  Y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
% J" ^) R6 y  q8 S6 N最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: F8 ~* }5 b9 {
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% I: ]- z. q' ?, rmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 ~, n$ f; p- M* @. S. M- u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
; a8 x5 Z& g' v" H9 ^in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 P) s% x' k$ N% y3 FAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; U; a3 P6 Y) `& vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 [2 x# }. y: c6 u( e% Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% p. {* J' V4 _& n- D# ~4 X: U  i9 ueg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - p& n" q! [, `" ~* [/ a
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 c1 @9 u- e) M- L, j# T! X

" D( T& @* S$ r! j9 Rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- r5 ~6 I0 j% j9 s% }: t
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% k- U  p9 E5 `. T) OFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ X" y4 u1 A+ l& {6 @4 O, Z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 w% ^) ]8 W5 R
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) E; [2 m0 d- j1 l
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; ]! G; L& g, B5 gRefer to last example,, I& `; ], f# F( M  s5 {3 w5 |, A$ Z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
& K" O2 q: h( N; |6 y- R$ zBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 t% G. K2 k: N0 ^
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) C$ N: C8 [. h2 KA->B->C->D->E
0 c, u5 ~/ Y* B0 b" r# j% E$ sso does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ N( Q- E& I9 i
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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" A5 v/ s9 u% kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 v+ z( o& e9 i4 |: Y' p3 g  yin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ e3 W2 m" K: u0 g  X2 v" Jit's the problem of the debt itself.
* k# i, b; y$ D5 ^8 q9 ~$ kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! ]- g$ t: I$ }; H小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 D! c; C1 p# Z# N5 {

6 R6 S# C& _6 Q5 C) c9 S0 F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 D4 A. l2 Y* r+ E

: |- o4 S4 i1 u敬請各師兄解答9 C: Q* @  I7 r7 D( i

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& [: D! I" g8 N0 G4 g2 M" R各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# f# C& r/ p% r, d" Q( Y; Q7 z
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# M/ h3 B: G! Z( Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. d' d+ c  w/ F0 `6 @
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& \$ p- h) R: J8 u+ M/ ^5 b扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: M# w. F9 Q# _計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ D3 W  _3 U# t7 Q7 L7 d. V9 ]前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! G/ l  A! Y4 A- Y( C) V, @
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ R' m3 Z. x% r% k% @$ q' U但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- |9 [" o% E, u3 f% v9 \- d% m$ j% @" R例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # Y0 o1 T  ]5 A/ g0 C9 y4 J. g
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' l- R  g1 C/ c/ N; l0 w
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁4 b2 d8 Q) A' x
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( Q" v8 s* p5 p* `% \/ d, j% ?$ N但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 j- c" j; `% ^$ c- f淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; B  C  e( t7 Y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 Y7 s: b2 r+ g7 d: x3 M  @1 L# p
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 f5 U) h0 U: D" l' u  H! Q5 q+ Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / }" G0 {& {$ Z2 ?) v: @+ j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
6 {: F' J0 J. t8 O& E其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, R4 C6 z) E. _; r
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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, p! V: _9 F- Q3 Y5 {再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 m# _  r5 d+ Z. {1 a9 R9 ~
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
1 ~. h/ L2 g% q  g) v* M一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- O& e! x! w; m9 E& B* e2 O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) F% \: w: U% E
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ H& l, M! T& B, B$ h
因為以前未生產, 先消費
' h$ Y& }1 h( P, ^1 a9 y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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