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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. f+ R$ m, E6 _Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 G% i$ s! y" w1 w. K1 u9 _I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ _: v5 @+ n* M  n: D2 \

8 l: n6 f, D2 x+ L3 J1 \& Umortgage loan
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, q$ ~5 Q7 S( e7 x; ?/ y>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' o+ w! T5 j- z# O) {% h# P
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return./ c7 F( R" |( ]& C9 J, `6 d1 U1 B
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
) t+ h- t' g2 j1 W0 i4 w  }, Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. e' E2 L6 g- P. J" Jmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
; {& Z% }% I& Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, ^. T. R2 I' _% @0 `9 K/ LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 J" J4 x. S, l# F, S( U  S; i
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 f7 ~/ K; T+ u3 b) f
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / _$ F* t5 s8 {, k
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 N8 }. ]$ K  ]$ _, J! Rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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5 B; S; E) C; [# U3 o& s% T& r( Aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: k  J0 j6 m" L9 b$ U5 C$ @in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 X, `1 C0 {. ]' e: `! D4 M, `
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# [+ N/ l  Y: _5 d6 P
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  g2 C6 M' y- p8 c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
" w6 j  y9 J9 c5 N. E' cbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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; [4 N& ~1 S) R- C[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) X# t5 X. B* ~, H4 H
Refer to last example,
, c) o$ q' h( i% [  }( ]% pthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 g! V4 j- N" {: m1 ~% u6 E
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( b8 j8 _; I1 S+ c: b/ P% H% ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ N6 z* i7 H( v( a( W7 s* EA->B->C->D->E* q+ @9 f. n! a) ~
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ |# Q) o% C6 U: K) Fall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" ?- P% o3 }* U/ s0 X0 L
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/ |* d2 q3 }' O5 Fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) j8 {& N1 D, f# v+ R
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  ~3 p+ z% |  g+ L9 l) M& Oit's the problem of the debt itself.! z$ h' b4 V/ ^! z, ]0 z0 j
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 E) R1 W& {4 \! r4 i- s小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ I& `+ p- a2 j% a, e- E0 O
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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+ z2 h- G7 L. Z: S! E$ J# m3 s: B敬請各師兄解答
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7 G0 Z" k2 ~, o0 D8 zThanks
- u4 V5 e3 L6 i$ ^4 z$ I那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 a* G2 G! \, ]( d7 @& u: m% W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic5 b6 e8 O: n3 D0 \7 A
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. B/ w- g6 k; Q. N: J
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( y3 x  S% O9 c# b+ q' |
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" G: [: Q" \+ _7 m
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 g8 B' U- z( D, n% ?
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 V' D2 @6 m( I5 K; a計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 o( b6 I9 f, ?6 i: d) W, x$ G  X前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) y* R# Q4 Z! p6 R8 u* [1 c
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 B4 ~/ ]* H5 b! A0 B但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& N& w$ X, Z. p7 i/ C7 _. ?, w: O$ p
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 ?9 W: T4 L" q( K- d; }" p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; l0 V: @4 Z+ J4 _( v8 z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁$ T5 Y$ R- b8 [' N3 p) d6 ^) J
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) [0 d1 E' F5 Z% F. M' J) Y4 p
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ ^  q$ U/ V  h5 {' Z! x; q- \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / l- N8 r8 w# m) L, T5 t! o% \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! }" S' Y0 u0 Y8 T  c( |" m唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * J4 d  I0 s! G- b  O- z0 y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ c. i9 _  g. j% F% ]' E+ @& n
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' [. ]) i! q5 @$ O/ ~& c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  L  P8 w! x& f+ C, R
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 C" ]+ c% z' J% U5 T5 f) F" H
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" f' c* a4 u4 ~再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,# o  e. x. N1 k; g1 O7 E, A8 D, O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
6 m, T% k! n) r# a* @- z5 x& E一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 l# @3 Z  v5 O編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 Q5 V# V& |% Z9 g8 _
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 ?5 n  _  }4 o: s: r因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 B6 J' R. z* G而家就要多生產, 少消費
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