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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 r4 w- f, D/ v/ w& S! EWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# P$ o3 y' R1 B1 _8 G$ o2 d' mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢; E( i1 M8 j% f& d0 Q- T5 I: B
so銀行可以不斷放款
: e! Z0 H  ^. G5 i9 g9 t美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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' O; @# ^% P( c% @) Bmortgage loan
3 h+ Y. v) M# h# n& r>conduit' e) {" Z/ t: m" t! F5 v* F, j: Z
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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0 G  }7 c6 Y' |, f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
6 n" [: F) G% x! P) l最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
: X6 h. C. U$ o' iCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 h& e. d! S' Z$ n
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 H7 j, C# ~% b) R# i1 P/ p/ nmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 w% E( X) P, Z9 u4 a! G7 b$ w. Lin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.0 _4 ]# P# K% r
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 c4 T" R7 y# k0 T; |- C
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, f) m9 y- B. z; L$ T& u* Ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
6 v! y* ^+ v* U& K: N" p% Zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 l2 _6 o+ Z' I$ `banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, G/ P8 N3 l9 i. jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) U# O6 V$ o4 ?( Nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" a& P. j& i- {* l- nFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: u# W" G) y& D/ k, F5 G, ]4 o
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.) t! e4 f, U. F8 M* n7 x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 P* N" X7 U1 S% U* }5 Ibut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' M1 D: {! @! s# p
Refer to last example,
& j& p9 z: {! X0 B& j0 k+ Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
4 a; S0 y! m9 U- KBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ' x! J: z6 G! j- F2 y. g4 p
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ M* b5 ^1 O$ Z% JA->B->C->D->E- m; ]' N: C: p3 T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 M* q1 G. O' X$ x/ J/ Z/ w# j' yall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ m" D& b: V3 h: w
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' C# q8 O# c+ ?( s% y: ]) C, min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 A; q# V; n4 N; q' M: i8 e8 w
it's the problem of the debt itself.
( h6 r. ]; B' Nthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) Y( `2 G: s7 o小弟一直都唔明...& a& v' s7 d$ R6 g  A1 w# e

& y" M% N" P; J3 X& L全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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+ n% p5 q8 r" k' ?/ F敬請各師兄解答6 v- U, m/ y" _& j/ B3 F9 N  z- f
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 J+ w) I/ q, V3 w/ F* U6 h, `各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic  B" h# X( {( E) P- f
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 A, }5 ?6 R0 e' h當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
* K! d% [, _$ w: _4 M* Z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  B4 G) C& J" g2 r7 j7 A9 C個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦7 V: n4 ^$ c* v& `* o& T1 E
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
/ a0 n9 ^  ]/ ~  \9 I0 F計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 `; L( i# K$ x( q  H
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法8 O- @( J/ f; h7 v) s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 v0 o5 ]5 h" u, Y, O  R
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
% j/ M& P* c; n9 f3 Q6 z/ [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + V; U# n3 q6 m% z, X( _$ k* Y
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) u- U( c4 R' l6 w' q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 w6 T/ K1 j, X6 o+ S1 i" R) L
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
$ d, e% |$ o& Q7 I4 L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 j6 c7 b9 z! i9 a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! B( w6 w- ~6 B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! \7 E+ J) r* I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( s0 i; m. _& q( H
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ t  _( D- c0 H0 o. u7 o2 T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + A& J, U" {, u6 I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
& t) j5 ?- r/ H咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 X0 I' s* O) A' a正係咁樣: `$ d/ }1 U3 R
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. f! Y  q4 [7 e$ A, K4 m分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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4 g. D+ j, j+ d6 H再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% Z+ }5 _! F! v. j; z, H2 B+ i
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票; Z$ a# v3 E2 V
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 L) v; C; r/ g  b9 t5 j編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 T7 b) W+ U) y; w咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; C1 L7 y% n1 @, B9 D其實係...1 R0 T+ T8 t% M$ {" E# H! e6 ^
因為以前未生產, 先消費: ]% X. R3 f/ L4 ^3 D; r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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