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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, N8 O6 [- u7 ?& v
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 r. q, ?6 {" X8 y* ~+ b5 n
I was so confused.....
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4 p7 P8 ]5 d! I8 S/ |1 p2 K2 m講到尾都係賺錢/ P+ V) F# \- \4 m  \. C5 I
so銀行可以不斷放款' Z0 c2 b+ h4 c( `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan   C1 u5 N6 D5 U
>conduit
) m/ i4 \  w1 G- N; k>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.! m5 ]+ ?( ~) b8 ?0 u
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; l4 K) z( E7 R! O
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 W3 `' U! i+ z' C! X5 ?" Q, X% gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
3 R/ `& d9 u- w/ {in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; a; {& e$ F- L4 p
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( T: L2 y- F# R
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 x  k* x. W5 o/ Anormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & r/ T6 F3 Z+ @' a* O5 @7 M
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' a* a1 X5 g1 d- Ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ K; Q" ^+ @& v% \  [) f9 ^: x: t5 U& L
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ q7 O6 l  Q: [0 N# \8 f8 y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' X/ V1 O2 G- p% t
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.3 h; {4 C6 W5 M- h4 p3 C4 x* c  Y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 y7 }6 {: p# ^# @3 gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, P7 q' P' y% l5 _- }' X4 K! j
Refer to last example,
7 p8 i6 ]4 b( s+ G$ B3 rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% ]9 U( O& G( @1 S. tBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" S! q1 U( i9 D# Etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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: ^/ R$ _( Y9 D" C1 HA->B->C->D->E
7 X" g0 g. l9 h0 r; Sso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 v/ N9 t' ^- ^; [8 Pall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 O1 [$ b1 m2 R

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& s4 S) f6 e: U3 }the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) {* U( \' r' z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ z, y4 [* ^3 {$ f7 `/ f8 e9 s
it's the problem of the debt itself.: ~0 {$ ]  c0 X/ F$ I8 _8 W
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, z1 s* _* F6 o8 v: q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; N) @5 Z. L4 W- c, t1 J7 D無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答* R& I3 o3 l% g* j, z: V$ V

$ \2 x- o4 L, x$ l7 d: H: m8 SThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, @* H& D( N; `8 ^7 V各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. z# E3 n1 N2 o+ J' Z) _5 K, ^7 hhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產4 z6 K0 X; t& N5 ?4 b; ?% x7 I
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 h2 @- q# ]) l; Z& s
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊( w! C2 }% W, \  T8 S
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! M, A8 |! F) r扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& I# O  ]% B. j& _; e計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 h# _& [9 l& k9 H/ y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 S6 f+ D2 H: V3 P1 m* A8 z
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
& I5 p+ b; i: M: v但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
; ^0 v* \. K( _# u: b# P例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " F- l9 ~$ W; A: }
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* q  {( W& h: d. V: L( I- H$ h7 d所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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, \/ o1 F  d4 d0 T3 m- Q2 T你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( I3 X+ m7 s! H/ v  X# J3 B
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " z; w2 r4 b& A* F+ X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. z2 _) N; p7 {# b# E' {. G) f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: h2 f- E( q/ d8 N$ ^0 Q' I* C唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 _% l3 A- x  Y- g, A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  f! W! ]% N- B0 J0 c/ l- e$ f% P其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業1 U: e! o/ \# [2 |; j
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% C; R0 }' `/ X( g" ^* |- N: M' j
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
0 w, |( u+ S# c+ Q' k) K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ {* Y+ H0 J) z6 i/ l編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 _( b, G1 R3 f; Z5 i  ^; _2 G2 y' T
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
: B/ Z+ C" [! L5 l" ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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