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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" b5 I3 n* w& V0 ?6 P
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. z; S/ r, y' SI was so confused.....
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  R. X% x- p+ x8 T/ J/ z7 f( g講到尾都係賺錢  [. J5 w$ x3 ?& [1 p3 e! F
so銀行可以不斷放款! J& o5 {4 i+ b, K& U# @
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) ], L4 s1 P4 O; H9 f
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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: E- B7 o- P9 R. _, K8 L, T: a>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& b3 m6 ~, E5 ^& ?+ s
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ L* O8 c. d+ p, |9 X3 k! k2 B. T
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; x$ L7 Z- S. k. H+ j: }- b- C0 N) }
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) V7 n9 v2 u# O; i7 Ain other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 D/ V+ K! U  i+ L$ LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." W( S! r, H0 Z0 c: O
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 g& r2 A/ p6 F# D" [; h$ R% a" D7 @
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + ~& R% `" R2 r: [  D/ n* R
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 {- o5 y( E7 `. Y1 Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# H9 C* e: I8 D" m# F) L. p8 L
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 g, G; `" K+ G. |( e7 [
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- j8 m8 R$ V1 Z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' H' x) O) e6 K& i2 aA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.& z; R" R% r* B1 f
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& X! j2 r  |5 F9 _0 _  lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. c9 l, u: b9 S8 u  w) q8 c- X

4 I2 O4 \2 k  N) x/ m. E# R; P" ?[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ ~! Q5 B$ C/ P2 \" R- h
Refer to last example,) i5 Z2 Z# o: C
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , E  m0 W0 S  {; [( x4 g
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
6 L9 d2 Z" U+ dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E. F! O% ~$ [, k8 X5 n
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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! @$ r0 h0 k* ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) i4 s* t& c* R9 hin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, & ^& C% k/ V7 C. g' d& R3 p2 ^; B
it's the problem of the debt itself.4 E" H1 g9 @" q6 `+ S- N9 t) Z4 D
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' `0 }; F# X5 k: \$ U( a( W( N
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 I  S% H7 E8 i# z; [
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 e+ g8 j& B8 p) Q

* v5 u# }( g: b" I/ d: v敬請各師兄解答6 F: F1 _" ^! r/ Z. Q" J. v' i
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& G9 @% E7 O- ^3 H各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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2 {$ w* t( c# X; B% Hhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! F! _0 z- Z6 C
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! V7 y" x& h' M: i  C$ v. l, B
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' I, X; \0 g2 H9 _' O
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! [  E( Q3 r0 O* m扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,* T3 {4 x2 o. ^4 t
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' P5 g* |; S$ B, |+ C& D
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- ~4 \9 W3 ^- Y" Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 r6 d, Z8 N. p- [. u: k" [但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺: |* T, S0 f5 b' T# f
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   Q* l1 F/ [0 _; R" ~( M
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" h; s2 x! `3 V0 P3 L2 f, d' j
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 h) C7 G" S" o0 R

% S: \" V& Z. ]: t" _3 Q* V你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   G4 Z2 X8 l2 {3 ?8 _$ }
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + r/ Q9 {3 I: X  H8 C& l0 a
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; p" p8 [+ W( ?2 I, G' X
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ a+ x1 ]; ^& r% f! {0 ~
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # ~# Z! u' X/ |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
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分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; Z5 Y/ ^  }5 c+ R6 \8 a

" z' [8 U# R8 e0 N* T" j再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: c5 i. [- |& O1 S. ?/ b- h
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, C: g7 G) [7 |) Q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  b" l4 D0 T( y0 L" }4 z9 k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ T' J/ L# S7 N- M9 S: U( c4 F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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6 M. w: }, x6 {) S其實係...
2 o2 a( _/ l$ I2 I5 z0 [% I8 _; T因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 V# h' Q# F7 |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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