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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! V: A4 G8 K: d+ U  x
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 ^, v  A6 W' @8 H3 V4 YI was so confused.....
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. h  e, t0 l2 [! n5 v# W講到尾都係賺錢
1 `: C/ D, K7 W1 Y- I1 s: dso銀行可以不斷放款# B( B8 V% k2 c5 ?# b
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' @5 l3 U" I8 Z+ H+ E1 X

+ K. \  Z/ r! b: w! {mortgage loan
% j( O2 B" [( h% V>conduit
+ T5 y$ ^" h. e. }# j* D  [>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
$ F! _& [! T* e2 D( o>arranger
9 T  A5 X7 y1 E  \7 w! t>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: ^; z) Z" |5 b+ A4 n# i
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 K7 l9 [. C1 j8 A5 i
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.( S4 z& c7 \5 y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 j2 }4 d* r4 }- v: \5 `
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 j* q- j+ a' p) k0 o/ r- dAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! S' ]: N' m2 |/ s" w' t, ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
' C+ n/ B% `; e0 F6 Cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + a, m7 g* g9 u( K, r
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; i) u0 N+ e7 t, `, ?- e5 obanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 i& W0 p  A3 c" U
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* e; I5 U3 m7 }7 }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 ^- l* q, M7 t" q1 A$ d( `/ _For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. s9 j8 Q) v1 R2 U2 n
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ n7 s$ Z& H, h0 N1 NThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # o$ J5 H% B2 l
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# W: n' m/ T  b) IRefer to last example," Y4 @( _& M( j8 E2 w. f
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) P8 x0 V0 v3 m) h
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % i+ I9 z( [* \& d1 J+ k5 a6 k& l
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& ~9 S1 l/ _2 L& `so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 l' w# V( d/ eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 S0 p; c8 _; z
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6 v; {* g# g+ dthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   a3 m" L  S$ G( u- a3 q* ]
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 C" b7 O( G- l+ eit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 v% P5 @; k* Y6 A" @& c6 s) dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ E! M; Z8 S# |) a, w) ]
小弟一直都唔明...6 @0 Y/ i0 v! t' `9 V6 q, t3 ?
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) L1 V4 b; T- l0 p$ m

/ Q' w; E+ `# T8 Y無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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3 Z% v1 g$ I+ D3 R! q* C敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
% L1 l) m/ t  ~- Y# H% q各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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+ V! l9 }2 `1 Y: e& j) chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  k! ?; ~) n1 R1 U6 ~
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, @+ \6 y% L9 |+ M* x5 j  L0 s0 g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! b$ c8 o9 k7 U3 u& t/ ^1 S個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ Z4 O9 E# i4 E; ~* f4 I) w
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' A# l5 l. P$ f% E% x+ L! V
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺8 ?# t5 i7 |' J  |3 Y8 `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* G, O, `' C9 G: W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
) i' o) }/ z9 x! E- c但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  M4 D# Y  `8 d- Y3 p# s8 d例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 w9 E$ \- Q' B7 g" I咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; N, k9 R* m& K5 D0 _5 R* R
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 M5 x7 q& g7 G+ s

  |* Q; I" r5 o& U  ^+ W你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 s9 b" |# H: I% |" i" z9 o/ I8 v
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 Y& h5 X2 F: M  y' H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ t0 X: m, a; v. e, X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 R- W3 {" \* t+ w/ {& v" i. i咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( {1 \% o* `5 q7 s) y) K唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + {6 p6 T/ ]7 s: l8 k& [( i: C4 D
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 }+ }% Q! Z& v/ M2 m8 h' E/ }
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 J; w. U( }* C8 ?, {, I9 ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
! ]4 r7 h) I9 |( q其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' G) I; a  I5 y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 H+ i& G1 G, P4 x1 X* g5 k

: k, ?" Q" ?5 T& j再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 q5 Z- u: g9 T5 P3 S% v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票% g2 u- y( _: ?) D  _
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 y/ M8 ~8 S4 M4 t2 O$ R
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 U5 O/ a7 A3 K* M  G( k
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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6 p2 q+ \' K( j) |其實係...9 H3 `$ e7 G. i
因為以前未生產, 先消費
' }, s1 _' R& y# B$ A( E+ c而家就要多生產, 少消費
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