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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% H7 V/ d, i* o4 s8 N$ T1 C6 ]; a
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: ]/ ?/ I, ]  v( S" C
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢" C% l( E3 ^- n
so銀行可以不斷放款* a. C1 N% P  J. E+ Y- H1 F- p
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 U& d5 W' m- \' Y% i

) H# J; y9 f# v# T9 ?1 tmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)8 O5 v9 q! i7 s1 l4 O) @1 {. n
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.2 R/ b2 m1 j; t% c( z/ w
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% y# ~& f  v" b" [& H2 X8 B2 ^! Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" Z) y, Q4 h) u: h6 A. |0 Qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
& ^$ s. y2 f. J% m3 K% i4 z( vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 ^* `; J- s4 e
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 `0 L# x7 D2 }7 f6 y: Dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( h- u) m' b9 @" Y/ d
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " o2 S  L% i$ E: ^& Q
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' ^: n. ~; S; Q' T) |5 D4 j% ?" P0 f: ?  V
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.  w$ s3 U8 o! [- t7 u8 ?

, j! k1 w' |4 L, h5 ^8 T+ Wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
3 a/ T4 \. |' M2 Q  E) K+ yin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, B* {4 P9 w& G, ?' y7 U! wFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) F$ i% F4 b' ^4 T5 G, L; iA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* O* L0 j# i, \The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 H( I/ I# B5 d, X  V: ?6 T! @but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 d4 X/ K$ @+ o) j; l! F
Refer to last example,1 w6 r0 b& v$ T. i
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ z+ L5 Z9 V# @# TBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( q' G$ P3 T  I5 C3 f* J- a! S
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 |. e  f% E! q2 q' \3 P5 P0 H# q' W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: I5 q) e( ?9 m8 Q

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9 ?1 i& i3 i/ m# B0 L+ Jthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , L* [0 A* I& l: b' T- r6 f( H8 Z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' `, G8 @! H; J+ N# k
it's the problem of the debt itself.
% @% R; I0 X4 a" t2 `2 l0 i3 Kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 h3 s) D' Z% x! r% y小弟一直都唔明...# ]3 f7 X6 y6 I. h; q! Z; q! Z

- m( y1 a3 o' ?1 w+ k& B: w: k全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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3 T- u# i9 O, a! A5 n8 _無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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3 G3 R( p) F3 H$ D敬請各師兄解答
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3 L+ x4 |' M: pThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
% w! r* E4 c8 C各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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: X1 c0 y4 f1 G. o7 p4 Ihttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. O/ u' O/ }7 _, ~. C1 _0 w當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 V0 I8 a: m9 }$ e* \1 t於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
& r) E  @# ?$ `, Q. u9 q' P; m, [個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' e6 T. i; |; ~7 X9 G3 r5 R
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ D) E8 z$ W  L7 h5 O
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' t% Z5 u$ U$ g% k前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 e& C& O) V5 h. p
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 [) f+ l; K; E( k  F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
% @6 |2 B8 d9 T, R4 d例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 M2 `( z7 v. [& u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- ^! y1 S$ m6 U$ x) p6 j8 r' e/ P
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁: j/ A( {9 W) S1 Z  \3 `2 I1 a* a
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & T5 |0 L9 k' ~: R
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" y0 p, T* C9 F% J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 K0 e( h8 t% a9 `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 ]! Z6 z. I9 k, H  ^& `! V唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( d; a% X* q% x9 t4 A* n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# ~0 F! c- A: z+ p0 J$ o& R* j4 O呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 Y# i5 M& V& B# m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 {) M9 \! t. G  v% W* R
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 _5 s9 t4 e1 D6 W
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" H) l3 ^) X5 h+ P9 L1 o# l再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 x$ D" ^# z( {/ B- H3 J6 B連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' f1 Y" b  \6 d
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 E5 Z" T1 T0 s: w+ Y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 T) z- `7 R. W( Y3 A
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
. Q! j' E# C3 q9 {; i3 p( [因為以前未生產, 先消費
/ F: L/ h$ }) |. T8 K7 l( h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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