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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- L, A4 a9 U- a* l
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 N* \8 i# v7 P; X- L" W3 p: v! v$ ]I was so confused.....
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1 {! K' |+ l6 [8 s! v  k- i1 z講到尾都係賺錢2 d9 y* T, n0 a
so銀行可以不斷放款- G3 d- u; x* x8 Z% k( N/ \
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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, {) Z+ y, W$ W* amortgage loan 5 x4 y2 E2 N: O4 D- Y6 a
>conduit
$ v+ r4 A& V2 m3 E5 M>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
9 b  a- Y) ]+ M" K* x" A2 i$ M>arranger7 ?. t+ {4 N, Q$ |8 D9 `
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)8 M6 M) o& D9 ~/ |5 e2 M
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
" a2 @# t1 y, E. l. z+ y. MCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,! H2 W+ y2 b  e
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ B+ }" h0 X: [$ fmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* |  m, O$ j0 Q, Bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 s& b& ]; j) T) o/ T; @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 f$ s7 h* y' j, ?; s! n4 j3 \1 nsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ e" u( d4 P; b8 @! p+ }6 h
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& [8 X7 T/ ?/ _2 peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & j! C  c2 e9 s5 ?# E7 A
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ T# r: E) Z1 a% \in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( o. A, a- k( R' r% W+ _0 J
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' x+ L. r; Q4 J  QA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ O8 @, }2 H& T! S3 yThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 6 s4 }% {9 f" L& C+ X; v9 h# o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) v. S+ X- `+ e5 W: L4 _2 z
Refer to last example,  N+ a; f- o$ v/ i1 w
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 F- G8 j2 J) k/ r* Q; x3 B) Y! }Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 w: x( x% r$ D$ M( m' Ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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! B8 l' d' V! zA->B->C->D->E
7 e3 d, w. @* C3 Gso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 t7 |; ]' g3 l
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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! K% e0 }: b" G8 e5 dthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' W3 h- P" j& K" G" m- s! V- S
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % `, o9 |' X1 C( O+ G0 c' b# v) _
it's the problem of the debt itself.  H  w1 I: {$ ^: H8 F  ^6 [
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 W! z1 c8 ^" \  b& M4 e8 R小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* Y5 y' q- [" x/ `- U9 [; J

  f1 S, t0 K; F* f敬請各師兄解答
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  Z) \# ?+ B8 b4 C. ?4 MThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
! q8 d: M" f! X, [, k, [$ W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 G# L* z( L% Z. Z/ U5 U
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 a, g: f4 e3 k" w# w. k  N3 e當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
( b) Q4 @* p, \/ }7 v1 `於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 U/ i2 @4 y) |2 e  s- V6 \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( n7 [  l, j5 d/ p
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
9 v% E  V- {; F2 u+ E計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" U9 Z# O  S7 q  ?前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 f3 L6 h+ d+ ]5 V7 w同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* l: B+ U( {/ [
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ `) a( V' [% U! Q例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 D2 U+ K+ [$ `3 E5 V. e" q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 B' }% H5 d# Y4 f3 Q; g所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ R2 Y% r$ ~! ~; X" @

3 y  m1 ?- I( g* m4 {. ^- Z2 A8 y你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, $ J# B- }* [& k+ Y- k
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  e- M3 `4 E# ~/ t* f淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, o( N5 r, \6 S8 W( \呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! C- d1 Y! t5 ~6 T% {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 l2 Q7 J, T; L* {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 j: n3 x7 m$ |) K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 o+ J& @& ^; v- v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 h- {1 F. E3 ^( F咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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1 z0 \! D+ s" g7 \& ~正係咁樣8 |9 I1 |1 g8 Y7 a5 G
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ @$ r# S4 ]! G' R" u7 o分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; s  r9 n, M- M3 U2 i% S

3 o' K/ h' ~6 u- K* |  M3 a3 G8 h6 P再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) q2 q% b$ o- ]( s8 }- T
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 E9 E# e0 V7 @8 B* o
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# w0 t/ A& Y3 W+ \$ s1 v9 ~編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  s: P  N$ n1 x( r$ F& D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 X5 g: O+ c  {+ Y其實係...3 |- t6 U0 Q# S6 Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
. {$ |: _, G: b/ x而家就要多生產, 少消費
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