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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* F0 h3 k1 f, O) k- T  m6 E6 mWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???# y* ]  o) ~8 u) T3 M
I was so confused.....
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( K4 e1 e( I; R* w8 R0 P講到尾都係賺錢
7 T7 j1 e  _5 f  A. p8 o. i. sso銀行可以不斷放款$ h8 t! ^) r4 a) m% y! ^& x- F& o
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' C4 V% p0 k8 N# Q

  ?+ R3 l% w* t6 A' b: ?mortgage loan
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3 p  S3 m. o, X' @  R- c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ s' z  l: r& t, _$ X5 ]
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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9 H6 ~: e* E6 {9 z5 @/ p) B. |; ~more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; c1 U2 L- v; ~. u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
' v/ {$ N' y$ M4 h: R& Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.- ^6 P& P$ H( E1 I
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% H* w! S/ o0 f( w5 zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* I( |4 F4 o  y2 o- U2 S
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , j+ z( y) F5 |2 |3 o) B- h2 E
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * l6 T. K6 u( x/ ?
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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! D- p! ^( y) i, j) l4 R# {im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.! {9 |: B2 ^* V3 Y0 x1 D
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.& M0 n8 s3 X7 t9 W
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- |$ {0 a0 v$ O# T& G
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
" l, E4 A) ]9 `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 f2 K% J/ z) f# pbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* _$ d' d" g9 G! o: }  n

) U% t  H! X% W. \. `- ?5 N[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 w9 g1 e) ]' m" u/ uRefer to last example,; `. L  N" X$ S0 D
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 |/ I" r, X' V' [8 ~" vBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - [4 K6 |2 l$ \# O, x. R" E" ~
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 ]/ W! Y9 l3 h& K/ b+ H9 YA->B->C->D->E
6 j) _' V, e1 l) T$ oso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( P' r8 t4 N& W% f" {0 p6 M- h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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2 X6 J9 X0 a# Q& lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 P7 X+ G) x. b' i/ I7 min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,   H0 B' ?8 @6 m/ f2 J) `9 A6 Z
it's the problem of the debt itself.  }4 e6 X$ N4 I2 Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 ^& M- S" X0 R1 I# u
小弟一直都唔明.../ ^9 P2 A; \2 K/ |
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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1 ~2 H: \: c! l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- }& a) y+ [: i" I; Q9 b$ V3 \
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敬請各師兄解答2 O! p; z& \' O7 @9 E

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" e" W$ {$ t4 Q# M0 E9 d/ J
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高8 J( R" M$ b1 i8 \/ M6 J
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 m8 a! ^" |) |/ T: c) Z1 d$ }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦; o' l7 n- ]9 \% B; O  m0 T
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; {* B' K$ X  J& t, L計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ t& z+ ^/ m0 @  a  `- ]( {+ I9 e; y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) C9 R0 e! V" }' Z: |6 ^6 ?同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( }' t5 o6 U1 }* h但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 {4 r# M5 R! c! ^, i例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 j1 D, {4 P; x/ g2 R$ u* l7 Y3 U
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! f  _1 X  ~8 t. V# w9 H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & B2 H' n+ u' J+ e! {8 `& R1 t
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . a; Q6 v" w& S7 z! p, S  t: U, U% q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! {9 @+ K5 ~: r& n呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 [; K8 e% v" p" h( Q2 m咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 G4 p4 Y0 c( Q( m: x7 A# x
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 t1 u, q) V! ?9 q- P/ n' l
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 i+ D) |/ t/ T$ L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# X2 O% l0 \3 b+ j+ Z, V
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 M, @+ o% i7 V; J! j" ^5 n8 V" @
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
! G+ @. n1 D1 f5 c( G2 v連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
4 s0 H% f7 j$ Y) d1 t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 [6 o+ U' M- _編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% k. J8 F; [, I  H$ }咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
* _& ]) m: J( d0 b5 w因為以前未生產, 先消費
  \' _; Z! R, S. Q  @( P+ S7 S而家就要多生產, 少消費
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