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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# [  Q% _( s, s; _" M# YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& l; W+ ?4 `; c/ Q1 ^% p7 e* NI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢  R3 t* E' ~' b( X
so銀行可以不斷放款. J, S+ F# W5 t, V" G
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ _) h8 ?1 m& P3 Q7 v
>arranger
& z) y' ^/ \# s! {+ w7 f3 \>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
2 i% L" J  [/ m+ L5 v% Y最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.  a9 c7 y2 J: e, S3 _) J2 ^; A
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& }* Y4 B$ D( c
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 \2 S! t1 @" {  ]' c
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,0 m  h$ J# u9 R% M  F
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# J( Q3 U! G: j& p8 l8 K" L
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 \6 L/ D5 o6 Q: Z& S$ |& V& |4 Asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' q7 Q, I* }' {# S7 ?+ l- y2 S
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% c% m' T. O+ N% J" y/ h! I7 `4 Deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, O* G0 u% }5 v+ M! x! Ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# A. Z8 P* V7 B5 c) ~( |0 y

" F4 q$ j2 x+ i4 x+ him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& f$ _2 i/ F9 B" W+ S
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. |1 d: D; ^+ P0 Y6 f) e
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' w2 K8 _8 D) ?7 Z3 Z& g: a6 b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  i/ V! K. |3 E; s! k" a* S
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 d8 ]# i: Q! @, ~( A3 M2 _
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 S% c- y* B2 \
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, }" o. M6 |) m) g9 K0 \
Refer to last example,
6 Y9 }! c4 f% d- C, Nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - d( t. g7 u. L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) g5 }9 E( R; u2 }  v. J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
4 ]# T3 S8 ?3 Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- a% ?- a$ S* a: e$ mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 ?: h2 }' t9 W( r& Z5 k7 y

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ T  y5 \% ~0 [% i9 |( f, ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 n0 k6 u/ ~  q0 H! d: s0 B4 O0 I
it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 ]& @; R6 E: c7 y, J  uthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( h( ^/ E5 L/ A) g0 L8 N
小弟一直都唔明..., H$ O" R  A! ^! _1 j

$ O& ^* B+ Y7 h' R( w! \全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; I  Y: q; z% q9 v' Z# \* @
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; |! r, d& ?/ X3 k: p% J

% E0 r1 g- d# A0 Q( F敬請各師兄解答) ~/ `' m( D4 L3 t3 L: i6 \5 Y% {+ X

: t+ C( c( P+ J* x6 LThanks
  l4 l  i: m8 N$ F7 }1 e. @那些根本係 紙上財富  " M0 `$ W9 d6 u% V5 j0 M
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! d- w3 f, a- [) M+ |9 E" _$ X
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 M/ ~4 m5 t, V8 B- t$ x: F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; ^' q- [8 d  A& U5 I
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 G7 ]7 T2 S8 S1 G! P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! _* x0 v! y- |% {/ `4 Y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,$ {* U; h6 l: v7 X/ X- p; r
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 R- @4 H! c% p( i! Z. w, s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 r, |9 ]! S% W0 l0 o同埋個市場既前境要係好先得$ B# v# ^4 g7 p3 E. s: j
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 o2 k  e1 U! j3 c6 u3 ~例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 M' Y* v* K+ y! ?: e4 x8 R
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& x* `% M* W  ~/ z4 Z6 Y/ c4 p所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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2 L# R: T, D& S( f9 y# W& X0 F你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 c- d* P0 u6 k  W; s- ?! `2 d但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' [0 Z$ k: ?# M' Y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ l' K& z2 ^2 x# f# C* [0 o呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ [# |, Z+ g5 N  m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 }# t6 \. l. H0 V' j唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' p" Y1 r) A8 T咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 P( x+ ?* S' R3 h正係咁樣
5 t2 D4 J3 V# e0 b其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 H# a- Z* `3 b8 n) U6 W
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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2 L. j0 I3 S+ G  }9 w7 o再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ V* j) y8 s) j* a! M$ ?" G連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! t; L# d1 J9 q: @- F% b) S7 O9 {一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! p& {3 q8 A0 ]& n4 M+ y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ I  v$ P7 E2 @咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 N; t& V4 b' z+ `. o0 p其實係...
# F1 `4 l# J8 v9 {因為以前未生產, 先消費
8 @+ C0 m% f/ l) Q' M而家就要多生產, 少消費
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