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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 d: @' n" Q3 C8 I7 K4 X' U9 h/ }$ O& I
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???2 ^  {+ b7 w6 K" @( a# ]' f
I was so confused.....
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! f  l# S4 e$ t講到尾都係賺錢4 T. L* C" m1 |0 p. N: s
so銀行可以不斷放款
! p! J7 J2 K3 n美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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; J, |" Q* t- K" J>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 i0 A) r1 q* J, @
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 ?& ~  K. G# @; A7 J
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ v' v( _/ i# v$ p
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* x% F) n% Y! M! j7 T' r% D  ~more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; c& a2 {5 @2 `* R( m$ X; xmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,8 b. l" f8 E- m) w9 F) Z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ j! `1 f% H6 B5 a, `7 G0 oAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) Y( A- `3 M  Z' g6 osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 v, n6 A, G  N- H8 g# `7 a# h. hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( f2 C0 }; Y8 ^eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 X. p- o' l6 z/ S$ Y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 T) i+ L6 O$ z, O4 \& ?

; g3 A: D+ }3 O& f$ ~5 xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ s( B2 ]9 Q+ o* Q6 n
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. p: F! Y5 I% kFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) g2 d: `7 q9 @7 a- I
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 E7 V/ r: r/ H  ]% w# F- q" u3 ~The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) N1 l# u* B% K- V6 ?but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- j+ Q8 D9 }# @& V$ b7 o! m
Refer to last example,
7 L8 ?% Y+ b2 |0 g9 }( Q: kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & k: v8 r: P7 x, g7 b  k3 w; j
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: s# l- j3 N  ?) @therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% B  r8 D8 [/ q$ Z& ~so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
1 }( i' |9 d1 L7 w0 t4 kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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0 \' @+ x* A4 @the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ z' h6 o7 `( v3 cin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( ~% Y. N' d" u5 e3 M* iit's the problem of the debt itself.' h4 M* Y$ U  C6 U5 k+ E* g+ R
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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9 Q; a9 k, L& ]  N全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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. }: O/ y' S% U- H' d0 eThanks
! S+ H  ?5 i/ D; A* L5 I那些根本係 紙上財富  8 h( C3 s- A- t8 P
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 X) ]* A! A% H6 O3 S0 Z' Q

3 d; V$ N2 ?( Phttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
4 _! ~: @2 R- K; z, f當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ i. X- r  D$ y6 c% h* Q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' u# |6 g% l( |3 Z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% s4 j) V& }4 h; C. o, u
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
/ k0 t$ j/ e" X1 \* z4 N計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" K& o7 @+ \1 e3 d: Y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 }& C, h( R' y4 Q% i7 ]3 m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 w2 r! n5 I4 m+ Y9 r4 ~
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 f$ o9 b! ~% ]0 U例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 A0 [5 f9 f( h0 U' l咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 d2 ^0 C6 L9 R. |: H' O所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 F2 W1 o  D: Z' |
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # J& x# e. f: t# ]- z! L
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 c8 V/ p/ @) [7 F2 h( M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " V: ]5 o+ ^/ n  y0 K; O1 o* O
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 Z+ f. L4 g7 Y- ~  r, v$ o1 s9 L; b
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 n# j7 b) p3 Y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) e0 Z" v5 t8 k+ L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* H6 q9 c, C/ P3 l# ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 L" G8 l+ h) q& j; K5 r3 r咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; K+ p& B3 P% }  c5 ^' i8 U正係咁樣7 R# y; Z" y- i, k9 T
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. A2 f4 r0 Z  K3 [5 i2 v+ T' X5 L分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% \1 q, [8 L- a# W8 L
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
! T0 }4 h7 d- Y7 k/ I1 q連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ [1 C$ u  L( R" G一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ B0 x& g7 T: t6 X$ P
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 w5 p6 k8 i' M  _$ h
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( ~% x1 x. ], r# l1 f* ^因為以前未生產, 先消費
- F- _0 X; x; b3 {( X7 E而家就要多生產, 少消費
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