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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 p. Y+ A4 R9 x$ w- i" P) P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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6 l- k+ W; k) ]" C- \$ ]5 {) Mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ D/ Z8 J4 f) f8 B+ _6 Y# E8 i

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  C7 E0 `' e* S/ H/ |5 ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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+ H, k2 O. ]* p2 Z5 r* f' j其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 _6 p; U3 U# U$ j, z. h8 `) ?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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  i0 X9 h& W) v+ L智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->5 z0 _9 K( i( [+ Y- u, X! T' \3 C
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; V8 t* N' T5 I- d& W9 ]# d
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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6 v% A: N) P; m$ P8 _- V- P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 ^( t" L+ m& I4 Y: R7 |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:0 G( p/ N- c! F7 x( q3 k
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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- ^- z2 \; v, n3 _1 T9 x3 v他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 @% T7 l: Z0 O9 ^: x/ ?2 |

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/ v5 p. F- l! u& a9 k" x$ [* uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& b- O! f( j+ P3 s% x

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4 ~3 p. T2 S" k* |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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# u* _* g6 ?1 S% p) `. m1 e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 q5 F9 r" q- V

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

7 u( u$ I* I  Kyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......