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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:' m4 l' Q& o3 C8 ]1 G

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2 d; ^5 W1 Y# F. B! u; J$ X4 k智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- Y7 ?7 p! D. o

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" t* K0 A& u# r( R4 OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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0 `5 n7 J' \8 a) w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 D5 T9 p0 Q3 S, I0 d其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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0 [. Z5 y( l4 g( K! G智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 i& G  u, s0 T1 `- v: d0 W* ?

5 b4 Y) X8 A: J; P軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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$ o' O7 p8 j0 o0 k9 u9 W政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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6 C4 `2 |) D1 y$ b" B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# z: M# F# K3 y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, H* _: A  b# S7 UIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, f/ ?- d$ a( m0 ^  J/ @; Q2 k

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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: ~% u# D2 A* h, j  [% yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

3 v8 P6 j& C: s  i$ ]yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- _' g' E# d4 h; b

2 G, c# Y9 m# kyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......