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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 S, i$ m/ y# W6 J8 X; j! n4 w
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( V1 Z* C( A! D0 {& G) @/ c. w/ XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- N7 X. ]# W) k
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' `% z6 G# ^  v  Q' |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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1 N+ n+ L" o/ k: V9 \. ~4 y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->2 V" I' z/ |" N5 Q! I# R  c$ x0 W$ l' G
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' ^4 B" o6 U* i! X; H( H2 u, k

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- n  d+ m# N' a3 H9 O$ G* K
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- Q. b2 ?" {. Z! l& q) s3 s

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 ]' W- U# ~3 z

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