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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: w- Z" O6 u  F5 {+ L/ _6 P
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; x! {2 H% [6 g, Z+ v8 B' \

, J, d# G5 ?0 b! N) ^" lbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( h4 i7 k9 ~' x2 Z' D2 k
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  U5 r' {) b( |+ E& A. JBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 h3 o& a5 }# f  @
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->, {8 G: {- v- w, w
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維3 c+ [$ S6 E% r* ]0 M2 R
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.* v* e3 u$ x& l/ E0 s
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% f9 D' W' L  t1 p% ~# J) LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 j+ r6 q/ E5 t# T" c
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# z9 p( _0 c+ g3 z9 ]+ j6 uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:( f" Y( v5 A+ F  ?3 V
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:& F$ W0 w2 h/ e( i

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......