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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! U+ ~+ S  @- N5 H. {2 v) M

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 e! X% L2 K# u2 B3 o& _8 u

, S4 _! V; ^- d$ a7 j$ x9 |: H& `+ k( n) sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' t& D1 d3 }- _5 I1 {4 Y# d& xBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: _& X! ^4 \; `6 iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?- @  M) e, @' M/ x9 w+ G

8 M) x% `- B9 L2 O& j0 P其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 ^8 Y( w) m* t- _' h

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why?
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. C0 ~5 Q( |$ x% A; m其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& S5 C, z- z; e4 [  D2 y% C8 T+ w

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; h. I2 ]& `# }4 l6 \  P2 V% j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
6 [% }, `& ~" \) x7 P$ G3 CIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 G1 p& b6 f4 E! S; J3 c5 y
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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7 E) h# ^) `+ E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:3 H7 N, r- P9 k2 C
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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8 l$ |1 d- i3 N: z0 ?2 P6 vyes, that's the point.

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