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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) ]. M  U& g2 p" ^
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 C% f1 _: l8 g
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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1 v* ]; D; a2 gBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 O# U% ]. X$ P/ p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 x1 x% l  y7 V" H" [0 c( A

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# E* z5 h- _" PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 E% n( h3 N9 b9 h6 B. |' W  t

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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1 |+ z. u) \* c) _& b) H智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 ]" j' s9 C% H
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維7 }8 C6 y# r! T8 N8 N# U5 J

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: g0 ^2 T! V/ W5 W8 l1 Z5 ]- z7 p" T
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# Z+ a; A1 {% J3 P# r( S
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他比孔明更偉大

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7 s  c( K' q7 P9 xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" ]* j; i# `- U0 W: f% J/ U. M

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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