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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 S: F/ N9 U, e) i! [) k0 c

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; Z. f$ Z. M. H+ M1 b8 B

, n! y% B/ k2 t0 nbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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+ a( o; ~2 l* W0 X% w3 H0 o8 |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' V% q! R& D+ \/ e+ K

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# x" _" }2 ^, t

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! R( s; x8 I+ M0 `+ }; Z: K& ZBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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: o7 \! f, U1 o  V8 S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus- X; P: c( E" ^$ _1 I2 |

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; {$ Q4 s, B, ?6 W$ G5 C6 `3 b! Y6 b軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.8 L5 p- H- h2 G9 H( g. {! b) _- Z+ X: O
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.& o5 ^! N$ v# q- Y  N- W: @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' t: H8 [4 V* @In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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6 w* r* ~, E( m1 l. A他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 @5 i9 H( u7 C& q( d
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他比孔明更偉大

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3 v9 d6 w' o7 P) @  ]Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 b/ V$ `% Z$ {# x5 |

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% t4 e: S$ W# c! H9 {) u: l, V- R; k他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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  F0 Q4 I- l' ^% m: K+ P* n- N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:8 n: ~" K8 @# r2 o7 C

: j* _" i6 u3 V, m- D# I6 k; B3 \8 e3 }3 Kyes, that's the point.

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) }7 b6 X! g* y& v0 V. t; e陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......