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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 I+ ?6 `0 h3 Q+ k

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 Q( h& ~6 c$ f% n! v
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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+ H) Z- p& T7 N, RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  E9 N5 K0 z! `) b7 e
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! Z( C% O. q1 ~' m5 X5 |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus+ j, y, G+ ^6 x* s$ m/ y

# K( C" V9 A) a- G9 A4 f* ]智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->/ ]; ~+ X* C9 w

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details./ d. c; i) }) f7 J; w& ]3 B6 y

' i- Q& F( t+ H! p7 J6 Q! d% Q& H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ K' Y7 D3 d" Y- O: N" O
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 E0 \* k' e3 S0 I& g/ [! J9 D
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( R, g% u$ n8 ^7 W& c

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2 q3 n8 _$ m9 T: e7 UAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:9 r/ l; i- ]5 o& M) c6 F# p
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3 n' h! j$ @! {& W+ T: [7 ^他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......