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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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; v9 Q/ _2 i, J& S5 ~智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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/ J& b( i, S/ w5 Pbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.2 l9 E* N3 r* I6 S' l
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" S3 p& l% h! `5 t, ^# Y

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 o) W& f' `$ F( Z1 @2 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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/ n4 w' `4 e3 k# G3 g智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 k& O# s+ X5 n/ c1 g/ k2 P8 P, ~3 H
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# M8 P! U/ g/ K5 i2 c8 j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% ?1 T2 e6 h7 R
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 \/ w6 }" u  x6 A0 _1 T5 ^! \: M
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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2 \( E  j: y1 D7 N! y& W0 H  CAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, I& z# [- n8 M+ l) f7 `
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......