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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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9 x2 u6 ~) [8 V; x智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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2 y9 _; h" t% c( oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& x# r% N! M; u+ f: I# s

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; x" v' a* F4 U- D; n5 O$ P/ d& t$ BBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, O; U$ ^+ E; w( v/ N
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus2 n  I& T: L* K5 P2 K

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5 T7 i$ @5 i3 r軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 k" @+ k& G7 A6 g/ E

+ A$ U# o; Z  d: [. ^0 ~打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ o: B2 ^+ N" W& d& h0 H6 N

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* t0 m. T/ U4 T8 B: tIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% j  j$ ~" a% |1 f8 w: y

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- e. r5 @, z% ?% g+ d
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. F# U* a7 p( A2 A2 z; z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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% D  N9 x. U, ~- t) @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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