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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! o! Q: u' @+ k# s* X

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

" F7 c! w- ?, q2 Ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:# u7 S% p. o1 Y! G
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' M7 e$ ^( N* TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0 ]4 `4 k8 u: U1 p

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 c  ]. s* N1 ^" y1 O, e

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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# |: F  X9 b/ j9 ~3 k% [/ E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# X3 V! u  U. l# _

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: {! Z' v$ X( Y- K+ r3 T打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ |. Q$ Q: o! z2 m% m6 x
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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( K. j( S6 F/ u8 J+ \! w' @+ rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. y" E1 t9 @3 O3 @/ f' L# h
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......