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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ ?/ u; J* s: N; X3 Y! L% p( f

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: b9 D+ P( m$ _! O% [- G4 v智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 N% ^$ W3 n6 c. n5 O9 P3 wBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% n; ~/ a" f! W( F. r
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: W' V# l8 G8 U5 ~+ W& s( `& _
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5 T( a+ K+ l% B. Esee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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! y/ Y. m4 B$ G; J. J軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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. ]( @8 o- E& V9 ~2 i7 d打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 G/ f9 y, E0 n$ [5 ^1 a. I4 k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: o# V7 A, S$ n) t3 \+ Q2 TIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:3 A4 k* \. t- P3 b
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& q0 p# J0 L6 N5 t4 n' v! s
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) l, h7 a" @0 Z% y) [$ hAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ Z- ~& w5 w0 \9 Y* k  o他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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8 R. X; z! P8 |9 G他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, L4 k9 ]2 v2 D  y3 s- T; ]: Q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......