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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% f$ ~; B) C( ~  s% q; M3 r

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 _7 ^) t: `6 {) F' d
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 f7 D: T; G' m" n- TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% y  {3 ?- X( ^5 ?  \
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* R$ s6 `3 R- q& X! d/ i, Q5 d* G

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' u; X/ T, `! h9 J! [8 J( gBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, q% J+ ]2 @7 |/ r0 `

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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1 i5 P: c6 l# M  e智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->5 a3 d7 @0 i4 Q) T- K6 \- D; x$ H

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.0 z2 |& ~4 ~+ }) i! Z& }# j

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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 e' s& ~3 E, L+ d8 vIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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) H4 u) d6 s# uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ U) u$ A: G. s7 g6 O" B" D

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ ~0 B- U; I& F5 S, ?( M3 m

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: a$ j2 G, l# c5 t0 R( K6 J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......