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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# n( c+ Q; ]/ \) S- K$ t
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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$ v7 i7 H# A0 u6 x& R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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. l3 ^9 Q6 N3 k- y! H* \& P! psee #22 Thus
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) ]* _! ?: [" `. p# ?軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) Y+ E) P( k7 R( ^0 ~8 [, a
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  U5 M) d$ D# x) G
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 |+ @" n$ e+ M, d
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' k7 ^4 `5 P  d, V/ E& m# C" E* w
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 y4 T/ }+ l7 k' c: p. J
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& F: e5 y- L% B* p4 ?5 s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ ~* {! \4 ?; O; N0 ]; s# D

9 K8 {' q. ]0 b* m1 @: W  I0 b7 Dyes, that's the point.

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