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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( i- Z: h2 k7 X# S, X
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ @' Z+ M& @; R2 @( p& [
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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9 ]" J$ ]! @& }0 ~6 I0 K- b3 gBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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2 }: U  C+ n7 W7 f4 `1 Q  y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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0 R0 \4 Q0 R8 ^5 z  a) B6 M其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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9 I) r. I" c& A2 ]% ~see #22 Thus5 I( z- B: E% h/ o3 N; U4 y

4 U" S* D2 z1 m智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 O7 F6 k( P0 ~9 O7 b" z0 V
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維1 _4 _3 Q! h6 r+ n5 l8 M' E

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. g; f9 v3 h. h; ~% k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ l% S- x7 P; oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 K) t$ ]' g8 q$ R* o- c) \- n, u

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 a4 l0 \' A: }% @6 \* h' |2 }

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1 T/ s$ N) _; PAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 F5 [5 T4 Q  ?5 [$ |9 a1 _3 a: e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- t! f% R; [. F6 M5 k4 p" n7 z0 L
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......