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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; _1 m8 V0 W% Z: K! R" t, M9 P

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ C: F! @( E! ^( Y5 T8 T8 Y2 P

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/ `8 d, u+ }4 e+ cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.2 ]( E/ G' x1 ^; X% z
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:+ O- h* V) ~2 `$ V- C& u
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, \! A# \; o4 Q+ {But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ T8 [( v& q- w" y% I9 {0 P4 c

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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! `8 X/ P) K3 i政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.# b+ L2 L7 @5 L) d

# K8 n# P; R" B2 l' N4 P, i打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:4 Y9 N% J& F0 M& t6 V! n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 N) C! K+ U- C1 k

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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2 g) ^" N4 W) A- |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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" |6 P) i# [: W, V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ {( H, z' a6 Z9 J; d

* |( D' Y6 X; a- \7 _2 L6 Gyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......