151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, y+ F( r/ y7 ^
1 C1 K" u0 J! k/ Z& ?. B
! S: _3 y+ p, P1 N6 J& S% {
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

- N: G: Y7 z( @; @& y
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:# t% b: G0 U0 x1 H

) c: N: S7 `& `1 M/ B1 Hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

* v/ |# i; T( b! u* S+ m! b1 n
1 t5 P/ q# u; c) x0 W: a
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: ~! \% `$ z: U& x; s

6 [) e+ X/ k* M4 R[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
, y& r. E2 p# \0 d# Y& O; {6 {, E$ r; ~% B' a" x/ I

  D1 @! [: y+ ]: YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

8 z5 [4 _/ r6 f' U5 l5 o1 u

6 m3 D( y  m( d( F1 e- rwhy?0 y; \8 @  g8 X; ~: T% Z9 ^$ U

& d8 X+ f: ?; P% Z' @  ]3 w: {其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
! W8 T8 \, O) z
! N0 G+ p; X7 }, h, R% c# p/ L6 }' `9 O: p
why?
5 g& w& {6 S9 t4 x. X! h! t1 W, @8 N% ]" Y4 \4 r& U& `% q
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

0 S2 M: E' s; O9 D0 f3 \1 |, }
see #22 Thus9 {1 f* y/ \9 {+ d0 e( q
1 Y/ M& u* }, m, Y5 o8 s4 r
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 ~2 w; }+ k0 n% k( @% k. b3 w

  J8 I( u; `+ |; ]( h2 t軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
" z2 v5 Y: l" i, B
- e, P. k( a7 p0 B- V" n政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 v7 @7 y1 R8 h! g

2 m. p: _1 Y2 \打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
- Y6 I  R0 K$ e# T+ j
4 F8 y& _4 M) R3 @[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, y' m( p+ l  M. C/ \7 NIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

0 {$ W6 x( @! w% H8 A% t

- g# J- I0 z: p他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
" _1 V- J  H# M# v+ {2 {) @) g! w" L6 s: [7 |' T$ i
1 c6 f0 B' k- w" G
他比孔明更偉大

, g) e5 ?3 |  m% z) C0 `
/ Q0 m  D; g) t' z  @' e1 v* vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
) E7 h& D9 Q3 p! n' D4 Y5 W6 ^$ F  K! D0 n& ?& [

9 [8 K, S: H+ {- f. x9 GAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

8 V6 g+ x9 h! l6 w7 X6 S  E: }
6 ]# Z+ H4 @0 o% i& r1 ~6 L, y$ X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
9 f' b- d' r% z$ F; }. Y) b& d+ Z" D/ C0 N% I) c( X0 q" A3 I
7 A* X' U+ O, l+ _' g! S0 M, L
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

& B; a! k: L4 K  u- M1 ]" @) z8 d5 a1 |
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& `) q$ m3 ?0 P- y
* y" p  w: [6 H
yes, that's the point.

' d- \2 g' J  M. [
3 Z# N4 t* Z5 ~+ j! |% p
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......