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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) q, K, i7 U1 V% ~

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: H+ I9 e1 F0 x' \, J! k: i) K; G

" e, z) k! i: O) gbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) `+ h! w* I+ a# r1 q1 LBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' T* {& z( q9 `9 i. f
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus4 V( W& C9 U' X+ {, w

+ h% [1 |+ Y/ V8 k- V" ~! O) j3 ~智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 \' R% t) x( `; b% z) v$ K
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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: x, s4 j- k: W! v+ F打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ _/ i7 e$ Y8 k+ Q3 fIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 U7 O9 d& ]1 R, `8 C/ f
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, H$ \, J/ M) s; o* f他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:: b" _* w1 Y9 k1 h, T
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......