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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:; b; y" l$ [' c; ~5 P
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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* u6 o" I0 Y  b8 v5 nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' o, [  |1 t; v+ f* C

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- D  X5 Y. z1 i6 ?2 L
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3 h6 j5 C& R9 l4 x/ O5 e* @: cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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# B( i5 w" w  [; l0 Q其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 a  D& O4 i, R

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9 }3 w0 R6 Q; a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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$ \5 v5 y5 V; ]9 n智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 }! _8 t3 \7 u5 m% r: ?& D

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: f$ U2 I* {+ y/ p; P/ e, NIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: K% U3 I2 }7 Z: T: D

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; t- p- f* m4 q; }5 {9 k6 \Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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' t9 |9 Q9 ]# P8 w/ Q2 l$ V. XAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:( n* K& j' w  A9 c3 `3 I3 S
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yes, that's the point.

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