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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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2 K( b7 W( c  F2 D5 _5 U' @! Rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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* O- @9 V$ t' c! ^: R& oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ `0 C( |0 y1 b  R' f! P
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ Z" y7 u4 [" ~
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* X* M; `+ j& d+ S, y9 M' X( cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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, F' e2 n, X6 R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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  W9 n2 v- `& A2 \% e" H軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.! F$ I  @' X! I. N5 ^' s& p
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ R6 W' p' y  H9 |% L' o
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:/ H6 c& Z5 E; G3 C( Q6 A. v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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6 ]0 x" {' u% M8 e6 `  l他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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7 J. J. |3 f* OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 k4 J$ b2 X0 X# J. D  q5 P) c% T他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% ]& u: f4 o  [0 t# Y

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- L5 p* m. x6 B; e. M

( ?9 E+ ^" i# o' y4 V: |) tyes, that's the point.

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