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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 V4 J* u, G' |' F# e/ J
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ L) h0 E* T. _! _but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; W0 I/ o& @/ D" C- ~" e
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:1 W  ^9 r9 r/ `# C- F
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?  v. U: |) @% C/ k2 a# f

' _+ X  i( R# o, h7 p- o其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' O. ]9 i* j: F

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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1 C$ [, o8 V$ O+ _3 y7 K  n智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># C4 @7 F" U0 {) O. S

3 z% d4 `5 N) x1 W% b" ^軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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* k  G9 g0 b: Y! @$ Y' k/ p- t' h打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% K$ ~0 V0 B  q$ O" fIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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4 X% y* z; O  i他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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* [8 e6 M% V4 v0 X( K0 ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, N/ P; p( g9 ]: p9 M
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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8 q. {1 A1 l, y* t7 ^1 S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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1 y/ w1 l5 _. i8 j, C: Y% j他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

" w8 Y# F' G0 I0 pyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......