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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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/ q8 _' }: t& ~9 H: _智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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9 q& W* Z: k1 x3 H! X. R$ E" {6 a! fbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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+ u0 {+ \; d# |% ^0 E' ]& `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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6 _1 A2 v' M! ^( O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?$ F# |( O3 p* L* X" n5 Q

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.6 S) a' b& q$ }9 l5 T1 m
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 S; N9 x) j3 T; T3 K7 j6 h
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, c2 a5 D! B+ K9 p% |In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- e& Y$ `5 d$ R) N! j( [
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$ o9 }, p. t) a$ }6 }0 v# HAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 F) H' g7 O" s' d6 N& F
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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3 O4 z4 X, N3 |" Nyes, that's the point.

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4 m8 S- o0 a: L2 n陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......