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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# L# v8 L" }) u6 F  V. o3 W
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: r; S) s9 Z  I/ _, i) V% MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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4 t0 h/ v  I! y) y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.$ h5 k; m4 V0 z, j# o2 r9 @5 u" z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 }  ~* g# w% ]
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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! C5 s/ q; L& o) u& T7 A$ ]Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ O8 J6 L' |( |) q% K" j

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' G1 O7 L5 N9 P+ c/ N; D

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! [2 U( S( J  Z

& R2 w0 E. h9 e. N* A6 @yes, that's the point.

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