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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:! W* k6 s* f3 L, V8 Q) W$ m4 x
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, W: y5 o5 F7 i+ p/ m+ i, D7 a  j
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 ~9 C9 y. y0 D5 A- o

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 U- g" k  Z# B/ J$ F0 M+ ?
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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  s$ t8 S2 g: O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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& [2 c8 ~. {+ r6 K其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus3 l3 h, t  I/ H: C7 C
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: W* J: Q& W! d) K' h& ~

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: d1 U9 [% s- |; c& l6 S$ l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, b6 u+ U9 A: Z, ]8 T$ jIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 C& N" j; n5 x9 Y4 y* R! _
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; Z0 {/ |+ E+ S* V0 ~& F, S& I1 Y6 {

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' y7 H$ g& w2 o! Q; ]$ E

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:0 r- |' I4 R8 g; h1 H
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......