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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:' B4 a' _* L. f# ?
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ A' L/ T& p$ Y6 `7 F7 R& `5 n

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7 y5 [9 D: E/ G% q6 \$ `3 x# n0 E" `; }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% n2 K; H8 V/ }$ k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 U3 d/ [& H7 j" u: W0 f$ u1 G9 ^% `
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 B( F; V" ?4 S* _% J2 F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, ~, G& O) P1 H# [

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3 a( h) x( D, E' {8 A# z其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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$ M( }( ~" Y' P; y1 H. T) y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% @  s( ^2 u9 }8 Y; y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" ?* E  Q- v! U# VIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& g- g( w% o- e# n, I0 P
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 ~$ l5 p& `3 j4 v
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yes, that's the point.

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# Q/ x% n9 A4 ^2 ^% a陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......