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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) d  e7 _* X8 V; c! B

: B& k' H. c6 I3 J  g$ fbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 f7 G7 L6 R6 t9 d! J
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. @4 d8 v# ?- L) ^2 D5 f+ M5 S* iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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1 C9 f7 p2 K9 F: b其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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) i, ?/ M9 J) @' V& c其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus# {, m; U: I, C; O( x( \

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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! v  F0 u% M, R6 j. b1 I, I; N打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮., z8 e- Z7 q; Q* F

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" [7 T* r" W7 b) i; _, \
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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3 T2 F5 y% ^$ w. Q0 i& y6 [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! X/ X; S, _9 d( Q4 l0 {0 {

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. `* D4 N0 ]0 e) |6 V

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ _9 x0 G5 J4 a3 c

2 Q7 F1 l# _% A7 h! K6 hyes, that's the point.

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