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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& E1 R0 u1 s# m* F' R2 t4 t1 c

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 F8 z& }4 N' \( l- }

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: Y! v; k6 h* F  B3 nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' G. Y* v6 c/ j: O( E0 n
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus6 e: @9 s. P* f+ t" E% Y1 e

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# l3 e$ I% F6 [9 LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 l" a% `, H0 c- i& P  E
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' I, B) n: J  X( U: i; X
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0 o9 U7 I" L! V& rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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( z7 e- O6 [6 J0 i9 Q" j2 W* P他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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