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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% S8 w- w: H0 n# ]$ a

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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  u* \% V6 A  z( p+ `$ g2 ?& t5 Tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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. g9 L) }! L9 K& a6 J8 xBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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( l4 z5 ?* l9 j: qwhy?. j1 x0 `; ^7 R6 z' T1 }& ^9 G

; {2 y4 A; Z, |# x( e0 S! m& E4 s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% @+ U4 I2 U" X' ]& n% F) F" i

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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" a7 M6 @5 j' i1 Q  k. Y, K" c% h智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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5 v+ g4 z4 e$ T: j7 Q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; z  v/ p. K! D# k9 Z5 E
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ B& P  S8 A% Y$ e: Z4 _& DIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% e1 d" V7 K, j% ?4 Y
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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4 m7 S. Q2 M( m- x0 \% jAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. T3 S+ l, @4 [  A' V5 L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% \' X" a! z% k# U: u
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, A; i0 q* L7 g& A. U3 ?" X/ X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ R% \# @; S( W) Y9 B

0 x2 t3 X+ `; @) H- Iyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......