151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
- Y. Y; }. A4 y3 z& t2 O
' D3 s$ P; H! Z- ?" r/ ~+ L! J3 ^7 O7 O4 u" u# ~. G" T3 c0 \
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

8 M% l- g2 E: ~
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
4 c9 R+ q# ^: F" J6 y- M/ H: o: [3 ^: W* ]  J6 N' a5 t1 a# n, v
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

9 N2 l- x4 \/ j& O8 n# j. J( R

" F. V- R1 R/ G+ g1 r& ABut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; w7 \4 i8 G- @

2 g. J& \5 M) I. ~: ~[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
; {5 l' T5 V/ }4 k9 y* n3 T/ I+ q. r" J# W+ _- P
' I1 n, m9 B# O7 W' w
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

" N9 A. ?# [& a

; L" }8 d: T4 J5 Dwhy?% c! z5 H- O' J6 _1 }2 e

7 Z6 a- p1 [8 A* H" Z: a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 }2 {% ~% A& v

3 j. J& ]' m; G1 [9 ?" d& |
* `3 C2 @( k. r2 J, bwhy?0 N. j: J9 M3 e  e, t0 A  y' C

5 ^: `: e+ h4 z" o  w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

% m! S7 H( O: i( E

0 }' E7 `8 q" qsee #22 Thus
4 m) c5 z7 E3 n# t2 @  a8 A- a7 w9 z6 `1 Z* ]
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># N9 Z" r; _! s- i6 X0 k& h
- u- k6 u! Y' @( }: @
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ [7 @3 f9 Z8 `1 \2 V$ k

0 h. s2 z4 A, B6 _* a政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.  L. {$ z4 H2 `. Q% J8 c
, B& O7 n- `% ^% |0 {/ q
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
% h0 F) p6 z2 t" }8 Y9 T/ Z
" z6 o2 `/ j( ]: j6 y[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 l0 a4 N% r, Z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

# {( m; h! n9 C/ @

0 @2 T& B0 [0 p( c4 d他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
: u( e+ l( h! z. L6 y. B# d
4 a5 [  W  ^: ]
# q. Y/ @# p3 d; P# j6 L8 T- ~1 ]他比孔明更偉大

& T8 D) [6 K8 [- Q1 g: m: c. f7 F. O6 _) I; M8 f1 d
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
  H  X5 i  p% o3 R$ W! |5 m  y. I) Q* o% N
5 c7 h! b% j9 }; e) z0 g/ v6 C
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

! {' A- Q* [; A9 F* ^

3 v( A4 P" q  c0 u9 p, f3 e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 \$ }8 M! v! r% u5 Z% C

% g# E& x. E  r- k) N
, R6 C" j' D& p/ Q0 m+ |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

$ ^* ?5 l- ~5 g4 ~yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:0 Y' h; l& M: B

2 a, x  @1 Q0 x5 _5 [3 `4 q2 P5 Uyes, that's the point.

/ _, x6 i& `: e7 U0 X7 @# o; K1 Q( w

0 D  l5 G( B+ U7 [陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......