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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ G' H' }& T" K6 i9 d

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% F; l/ r# Z1 d4 D
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ u4 a! [3 z- z0 M, ~& U) C7 a

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/ D8 }$ I& n8 @1 ]6 k" h$ kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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2 a" `! c# w% i: r0 P" `" G智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: q2 o  e$ N9 Y& I) ?* l3 p
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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: B4 C  Z8 ^. `7 o' F& n打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:4 R/ v/ t4 Z4 @4 H- N
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 L3 Y' ]- s) C+ h; o

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......