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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" w" Z3 A6 B1 V1 O$ x; J5 Q+ p
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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# v8 @8 d. F4 _9 p# hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 }  I, \2 |4 ^: ^

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- f+ G. a! j) _- R! G

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:9 K/ a: M' V+ t+ ]5 x) c1 A+ C% e
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see #22 Thus  e  X! T) f$ T

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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2 Y3 {4 b1 S6 @* A" @- y* @, y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 }8 \5 o% h* x  DIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  E7 e- U8 z# J/ f% V; l4 @/ M
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* x. W9 V" E" O- u) f( z% IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:, Z4 R+ y6 g; b" g6 ~* d: F( T8 k
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) V8 U% o4 |( P( F5 }& a2 `* V6 I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:) w4 s" p6 L* Z1 k# |- X
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yes, that's the point.

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