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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ q. D- q2 d- ]/ f2 k8 D

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& b: N2 x0 L+ i* m% L4 {! j
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. I4 E4 J9 n* K1 |2 y& j- a

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; P, _+ B( q1 E2 O6 _* N9 [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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4 P$ C% Z$ E+ P其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 a% k; R2 t4 n1 u3 P7 N
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, x) z, L1 I4 b% ^3 P9 |+ @+ T

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. I4 q, {- O  l' W5 a" y  A3 M打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' W6 |% E- w# I; j1 _6 @& M
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
5 L! T+ v4 l8 L* h/ \: t2 H* [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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/ P$ v' y+ F$ K  i0 n4 Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- A4 ~4 U6 V- R% S
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

, i4 j7 @+ a% E  pyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:) y3 w& F4 s7 W$ `
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yes, that's the point.

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