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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- q4 t1 H& K+ u

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) ~. s8 `- L1 V& C
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 f  j. G+ q7 B  t/ d' v8 f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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3 y2 b0 n- {) r' @5 }; n% @2 |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus1 \# z5 H2 l) j. Y+ n; G
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->& D6 m" a7 Q+ @% u3 T* `
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& t. I# {( h3 u9 `
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.0 M. d  [: H& w
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% y: A) i2 s) d5 I5 D6 \In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% O/ s! f% ~, r7 ?. W% Q& c# U
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- n: a4 ~2 f, j" h3 X$ _7 o6 i
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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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