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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 x7 ^" L( |8 w4 y& s- B
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& n3 s" S8 F, }! C& g
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. w7 U! V( k& r5 r" @1 h" _
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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, P; G' M" l# C& z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- K$ F/ v7 ?; y! U! f$ u4 n! }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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' r5 j6 `1 x- i  w% b; d+ v- `打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.0 f" M- u- H' M& o2 N

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# Q9 k- U4 O. {$ e- rIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 Q. d6 r; Z4 D) z% W
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3 e+ x% y3 _( p/ l0 RAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......