151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% T2 F1 z0 ^5 d) E% z
* I6 }- b8 ^- H9 T+ y
% f" L1 l) f6 D6 B3 n1 F, j3 k
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

% L( v4 b8 ]! q' f9 Q) i$ n' q/ @but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: ^- f  R3 H5 `

7 j) l6 b) R. N$ D$ E' x% K3 Vbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

1 i' B0 o# i! ~( Z( ^- q
* s' U& ]1 n8 E/ ^" G9 d" l( s
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
" w2 \& ~- j' K& Y# G
+ O# K, e: ~7 q! i& w[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
  U! z! o2 f3 Y3 R
2 R* c& I2 Q: Y$ e  [5 {3 q8 K3 |$ E: V6 O. l$ ]3 `
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

* U/ L0 z  o" N+ a. S% F

# J+ j0 [& |+ j3 @3 R1 L# W! A) nwhy?
- e+ T: a8 Y/ S  q1 C7 G6 P# l8 z9 Y6 ?. T
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! p3 P) k6 T0 `2 M* u1 @8 O: Z

0 O) E/ c, F( b/ Q: |( j. F3 D; d% o  B0 E/ l
why?, @$ z6 {8 }; f  b, `

' R3 \1 ~: C* B/ V其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

" v/ y; |% J0 e9 {6 W% c6 \8 r" @& r
see #22 Thus
& _' g+ L! Y; m* @0 z2 O4 L% X8 ^/ B& T0 Q) |/ g+ I1 k6 ^6 H
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) e  i( o- I" }$ h, t  t: O

1 ]0 s; ]* a! Y軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
, r/ A4 l. h, f5 @5 v* f1 p; F5 l2 x# ^& P. t
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 U  o2 y1 K+ u5 |& r( ]2 B

- l# m1 |" A; s2 a& i打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 u4 x, F5 p7 ~# E$ H

6 b: u3 D- H6 D/ E& m) @6 R9 Z[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% O  m4 `3 I$ Q$ v7 G- PIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

0 G( S1 R% ?' S& C0 ^
; _0 e) a7 c4 c2 [( e" P他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
5 W: r0 R' D/ ?& n2 z( W
+ ]8 T# A% I" C0 P6 D- d& q' U
他比孔明更偉大

9 _3 H/ A' c( P, [/ \. R- p( A: m8 e* m) O  j
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ n8 D: M+ x6 A# }/ p- @8 `! c
2 V/ B- E( q% [
4 }! K& l! }! o: p+ V$ z$ z/ c/ s5 V
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

) v2 Y5 e. N( v3 X( G: g1 a/ l! d0 `9 G! x! n+ [
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
9 \$ a& @- c( O7 C7 M: i5 T, E6 e4 y( I, \8 ?2 s% ^: w  @

: g* ^6 [) o/ f$ {( s; F他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

$ M; I: z: v4 E* R- ]- }6 Y/ ]2 T
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:0 ]: a" E$ h4 x( h
/ s9 u% p, m4 D2 Q
yes, that's the point.

! u% z( N* `( u$ e0 Y' |* b# C7 k3 U* v; Y
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......