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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 ^& x4 v8 ~. `  \! y. _: W4 o

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* r. I/ o( t+ x! X$ U2 d* t

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; B& R# A, t2 E6 V+ x# A' YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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3 G; e0 U; p, G1 v& i智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 [/ N# S( b( }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& B% t6 ^7 U, N8 [* X

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ T  d3 W) G, O2 O5 c3 XIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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/ A5 I4 T( e# P0 {& d7 jAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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# G2 T0 E& h* c6 o- q. t& ?' PAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:1 f0 e' H) E6 D4 F* H

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2 g$ A0 l- x/ [) s2 |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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' ^4 S' p/ L% v! m4 R; ?yes, that's the point.

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+ \/ Y3 K! H0 I8 f6 @& H6 ~1 Z陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......