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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 ^3 k& U* b1 a  F+ x- U5 T

/ D( E! i4 x. \! T8 f7 m7 L7 Pbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 w' Y' P; Z1 G; Q8 G/ BBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ k- I* Y* o$ F' Y. J/ r

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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8 @( y  ~9 x& I8 oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' a5 b$ i3 B3 C: V% M1 |

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維% \* L) I; P4 ?; `  r

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* o$ K4 T0 t% V) T9 n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& s2 R4 D+ r0 a% _- e9 g
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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( d# O6 L# }( e1 V0 T8 `! f: AAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ a$ c/ u. o0 g! V- i4 R) N2 Q2 L1 C
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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