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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 `: Z1 C' D7 i; A% Z& G
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 i- G* Q  D, p5 a3 f" i

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 d+ j- X# ]4 h  l+ I* m0 @% K

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( u, m" N7 F- R$ Z3 H2 J
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* T, D6 b+ a1 V
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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$ ]# y6 v) }2 C7 v7 M0 ^5 j: m2 g$ U3 R+ m智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 M7 S2 @4 T, C3 {% W& Q

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.; Q. Q! Q/ W* x0 v8 F; H- n" S
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.$ F6 D! r, H5 F* q% B' A% i

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% x: X+ O' A! d7 {- d
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 ?8 e/ \: M" ]$ f8 s# W: c
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" w( e$ O/ M2 l, n3 Q

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 g8 T+ c$ X7 [) E$ X$ b% g7 v

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8 P. }7 D; ^  l' M/ X' q" L; m; O他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  u& {5 ]  X2 S+ G' y
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......