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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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5 v7 p) ~, k( W智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:# O! W+ y5 s" @4 l+ D  w/ X( _: W

; G7 W% B$ C: @- c8 I" lbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) L" }- P8 h( d% y/ x# }: q0 d
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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) Y( R# ]: }' \9 B/ ~% ysee #22 Thus
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3 Z6 O0 _% C; b( P3 i+ s智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 N/ o$ r- r  N. Q0 t. `

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.: }7 T# F8 u, D) L. D

/ ]3 S6 R7 M; N: Y0 B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 K; U( M# p: Q$ e8 y# j- ~" X- f/ g, }In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 y8 _2 B' w2 c. r5 w) |7 @1 n! a

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 Y* h# x+ g+ E; p; t: X# {他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% }( i3 e1 a  p9 F6 _
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, r3 v! z* U) B0 C7 J
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yes, that's the point.

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