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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:* p( h0 V5 I# s' a

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

  @% A! f5 A8 Hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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) k6 K" J; g+ j" |' [but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. s( K" ]7 r% Q' V+ c2 E  n

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! e* w/ `( k2 k8 U% ?! C, c, ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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) |8 c6 M# G$ C* v( B6 F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: x7 x2 ?2 h" X' b' ?
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9 e3 u% m7 z& v  p+ r其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ b! V2 U3 T( x' u) @
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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$ x# `* p, [( i. S% C打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
5 O4 c" ]) C1 |# A/ N! U6 }5 LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 \0 e( G: {! r9 {  k: `
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他比孔明更偉大

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. J2 k" d, y, W# x3 B8 fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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' y8 n$ u7 I1 }$ pAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ \. P# B. t  c; |/ v" T: [
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* j9 B# b) ]1 W. U他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 q" \9 w8 v6 y- }% Z5 w
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yes, that's the point.

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