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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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6 H2 x% ?1 N+ u+ u7 ^2 c( ]' XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 X/ Y# z/ E3 C* C6 a& C

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:7 i- k3 v) k5 q$ y' M1 m' ]2 F

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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6 b+ [* q' Q2 F1 W: P$ z0 ^其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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3 g5 e, h" p# L9 c: J; m其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( ]3 a  D+ x' }; A9 w* p  U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 F2 Q7 B8 n6 y' v& k  y# vIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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! m/ _+ F' C, D1 u7 PAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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" B" k! C4 j1 ?5 {/ V7 P他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 n/ V" \0 x5 I) a

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; q) U( X* W: Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:5 l  |# b- e7 m3 j6 u. x
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......