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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, d4 E  B4 f1 f0 b
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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5 m* J+ d3 W' J5 ~7 kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.3 A# |, F  j, k/ Q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 e5 X+ Q2 Y- X# H. k

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$ i- n/ M% v! a5 Y+ w$ y. MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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' X3 Q% G/ k) c9 l5 N% ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus2 z! e6 c# w/ e9 V* }
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ D3 p, s- D+ n

6 K: G4 ?4 B: B) H, E' r8 q政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: l1 g0 ]' G* `& G/ G/ L1 Z: u
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
5 o1 k) G4 s7 s% sIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) ]$ e6 n& v* K* d8 ~9 S$ j  ^

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他比孔明更偉大

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' o4 c: F- h# S8 L9 w3 [% ]; I* C4 ]1 MAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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4 t  O1 b- j5 @% M. GAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 m3 M1 W& w" R6 W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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: j; c% _- d; ?3 x8 H他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:8 n) }( S; F/ B; [2 m/ y
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yes, that's the point.

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