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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 c0 T+ u7 _+ e

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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$ a6 \0 w( E( jbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 T& Z, ?7 T6 k4 v" B* k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus; W) j) Z) j  P; E& d) C
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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7 G" h4 ~( Z3 w/ f4 U政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.) c9 U  d) z- d! n& C. m3 A, @7 ^, N

2 K' ]8 t# y& r* g打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! A/ J- s/ n( d; k
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 |  r' ^' w& ^+ LIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 P' m  b& G1 F) `, c6 I
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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2 Q3 E% g/ S+ K1 J  J/ P( @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' d8 H! k. p5 s" G4 B
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- K5 i& w* S4 y' n2 w# I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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% ]$ V7 \3 e2 Kyes, that's the point.

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