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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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8 o& ^. z% G4 ]2 y% e' vbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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6 c" p- W) H& I+ p+ DBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:3 ~9 ^* h- E0 G  j
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, J: O* d' P) z$ L0 D4 _) A/ F

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus7 o/ }6 V8 c$ U- {

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維3 V+ Y  S, [2 J( j. k
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.5 _# R7 D) k; H5 O, P: j* b- k
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
; B" e  h$ M0 Z2 p* P( V$ OIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: g1 m5 p) T( r. s: K4 u4 `$ I( o6 p
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) N2 T  K  }" z) p  D. `他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:9 r( [8 B$ V. p" Q' e: k

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ P6 j, M$ ~8 ]9 j

; `0 ]# J1 F' \6 t6 i( Qyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......