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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, ^8 s: f  z1 [  v: v/ \  L) j1 _9 @
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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2 E2 F+ S+ c1 r, T  Abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 j8 [0 y4 G5 L: WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.1 e9 X3 P4 B, w' F* h" T

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ u4 ]5 _( H7 V" }  l4 N

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see #22 Thus( c  {  w- B: k+ O

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 ~$ ~+ Y, O5 c% p+ k& g" z" r; b% Z1 k
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.- m9 O% A0 @$ h$ ?4 v. w
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  M% k2 D, b( B3 ]7 ~" o' z
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 u/ M7 D% j3 W& }7 U, d) K
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ F; }4 |# l! h( O
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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( p- v; }- V; s- o& ]+ ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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$ y. P/ n) g- ~  S1 W  J: t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& _6 R; k- Q' I( s' S  g

8 N/ X' v8 @  a7 H: Hyes, that's the point.

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