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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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, F- `7 i$ d: W, X  O1 Xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; s  j7 g- D$ x  u' }; E* J1 F

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' j0 X, J) M7 H2 R
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+ a: Z" w5 _; B: x1 I% i0 rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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) }* K, @4 Q) g其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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. p9 ~; O% B3 X( b/ B7 D- W其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus$ s; n9 z! ~2 ?1 o- T9 P6 ^8 A

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% Y7 }$ A3 C# Y/ {

, K* X7 D$ f( ]) P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' _; j+ R) J. W. C; P1 p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 V( m1 M3 I; _3 t# `In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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8 o! h5 {4 o" P5 Y- o4 OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- a; X2 M, d- l0 X: S

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) V1 ]# U4 [7 N. s6 Z, @% M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; k$ G; v5 V: r6 `0 S
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2 L" C% j, J  \) e他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......