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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 E* {: n3 I9 z3 j7 }( @
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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9 }% p  E0 X: t% S2 _2 d& Q1 gbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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2 `8 p( X3 F) N! R" G) f. E& E$ KBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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, G8 q& M/ g) B/ v, [$ ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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9 o* Q7 q; V6 {/ B9 s% _) _其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 [% u$ L! A: f4 q8 p& x+ y& I7 G

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ N- }- p4 b8 C7 R$ l5 A. F. ~6 a
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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4 d& a$ G/ E8 Y* ~5 _3 }5 x打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: R& y- W* J* ^9 {' f/ I. y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 r! ~3 [9 h4 l# {. B* P7 R' c
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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1 o$ W1 j" Z7 Z$ U- yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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: V7 k: ]" G  lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 r: D# C1 }( j$ t. _他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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0 s3 G) y% M5 P7 [5 I' d, Z# m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......