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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 X$ |0 N% t! a- x( s5 E% V! m2 Y

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4 w; ]. p0 d, ?- D% g2 _智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: P- A: a3 D! `

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; \" H" [; u0 a/ [5 \

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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8 t/ h1 N) s! ]7 ?) {' F/ l* B  W- xBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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, T4 k& @5 V3 |" A5 e1 I其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 x! c% v+ S; M% a. [+ B3 i: J

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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3 F( @# E# z1 H, v智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* s4 i( p' T! i. M! n) G  M

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- I0 X; e- d4 \' l6 a, a
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ ~7 f2 X. I9 k. H2 FIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- I/ j: T4 I4 S! T" A4 ]& [
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: ~4 T" l7 O/ M+ a. _" d7 |' y6 Y

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+ N$ Z' u1 t. n0 i8 D6 P$ pAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:2 A: P% U( A$ j5 [/ j
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......