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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( W: }3 E8 @4 ]/ i* [3 [
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:1 E, X: r9 S- ~# ~0 G! s; @
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 ?# I/ \5 `, t" K  H" G

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( A0 s' }* {. q6 q* j
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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3 c/ I1 U& M; k# \$ i2 h+ F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ ]5 V) [" P/ V# Y
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why?  ]; s; x; ~! N$ M

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 d- e5 K  e$ o; j4 dIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# h2 w7 \' m  D1 b8 C

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# D1 u$ z# f* |, w) t0 G

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8 ^% M: j7 L7 H. W# l2 ?9 b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# M) ]2 E- @( @. [- B. c; ]
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yes, that's the point.

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