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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% o, y( n9 e" T0 i" q) J
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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; N) P8 D( j3 g$ ^' X& h) ybut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- u. b8 _+ ?3 }2 J' n6 ]
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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  h8 H7 L  [- ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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1 r/ D. i) E6 Q& _9 J其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus  a& R$ ^1 ?: z% D; j. b
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) Y' R5 f6 Z0 y. z& F

: v/ A8 O3 A/ b0 m3 ?軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ u0 u7 M% v" {, `
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 C+ f' u& r9 U# b$ G8 U# d2 z

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, O" h! n5 u7 b6 N; n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:8 J* |* s4 j% y- A% ?+ h4 m* [
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......