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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: k8 D5 l, m; }& SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:3 {5 a- v: ?1 D
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why?
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* F7 a6 C4 ?0 l2 Z/ B/ S8 F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: v0 R1 f# r: W6 o& c8 e
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 }4 r: z$ o3 H& AIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) H& |+ q( x" N2 n0 v- v' @( \$ E
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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# p/ p( A, v  u7 s: ]- H  K5 N2 Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) Q, }0 E  A) k& W
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  p& ~8 R2 O6 L: B; v他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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