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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  B. N0 R  P' p; Q- K2 L( V, {
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  n" {7 i' v0 s6 R  o: A- uBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.! L5 P5 U; u+ T, \$ `

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 [1 N: I  c8 Y: @

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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3 `, P4 K3 J  k6 i/ H* z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->2 N- @' `0 X: o: `! _6 t8 e

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* w9 E8 c' M9 n% ]2 X6 q) O7 q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.0 T, p6 r( Q  m! t
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: Y& b- z7 i/ Z5 f# s. Z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& i! I) F4 U6 t, U0 k# S
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他比孔明更偉大

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$ E; {& Z* E3 L  g1 Y! nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 Y& \( [+ A0 e( G7 t' t
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! K/ L3 t9 Q/ L+ I

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+ u3 v! e6 W# p5 d5 }他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

6 X. P- {; S+ U' cyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:) _: s9 r3 O' R/ m8 |/ b" z/ I

3 n% m( {2 [$ b3 e. }yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......