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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:; _* O7 P/ {3 k/ n. E1 g

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/ z0 B9 f) j3 {: `+ P1 Z% dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 w7 }; W# V1 \/ H/ S9 w2 K  Z. K" p

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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# t; p6 ]0 @! WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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  `6 L+ ]$ F1 _. uwhy?
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1 S" V" `1 H9 ysee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' f$ B; R9 o) y0 y  X
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.7 R2 y) l1 ^0 w+ H8 V8 ?0 U- y+ n

6 M& ]* T* M' y4 M' ~" Y2 Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:7 v3 a0 t- o. _) ~. ~( E1 \, Q& w" \
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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7 v; `$ o9 l1 x9 E他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( C' g/ b2 @9 e- B+ {

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4 F5 @, D$ p' JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; r& S$ y' H4 g" G8 E
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 W: X9 N7 X2 K

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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