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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ ~, [4 Q; a/ ]& `( U0 r- J  r
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.& \; q' S! F. y* f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: E' V6 R, |6 ^; ], dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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+ z. P: v, F0 L; p9 N其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 G  m4 _. h" r$ I4 d0 h
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see #22 Thus: t# v& w/ h% ^3 [

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$ ~, Y8 B! y! K6 ], Y: H+ c# k軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; a1 H( }% k: ?  ?5 s
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$ n8 _& s( h% z4 C& d5 x打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( c" Y; s/ H3 f  K5 C) p8 S1 W
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- j$ z7 Q7 E% x5 H, |- ]1 ^: I" P
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; j. z6 U% c! c9 `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. A4 W! W" @, G- D  _  f他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% J- L  _0 ?% `& D. P
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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% |# H: ?$ I& l  B: \; |% Vyes, that's the point.

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