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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: l' G% w9 o" D
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: X% b" z& d6 c" i! I- {4 e4 m& p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  Q, J" s" Q" A; G+ V; ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( ]+ O" u6 e2 w# f1 p$ p) [" K, v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 c; R, M2 J5 c- A8 O% uBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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; |( T. X( ]5 x! G! m5 l" d其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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0 ~2 }* ~1 {1 W# B7 r3 z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! ?( N8 \: M8 u. V' S+ G% B
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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/ }" x  F: t0 D( T9 k打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ [. c2 h& l6 k+ f
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:& Y+ o' @# r& J% A' q% b
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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1 |0 _2 D' O: H7 x6 [: nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! E% c1 K4 K3 D5 c( F
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......