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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 X' Q. Z8 F+ a3 ^" j. {# ~, K' X  w& z

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, x0 J) C  \6 X0 s5 E! c

$ L2 g) F  P- `6 m1 e0 \- \but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 _' g9 T2 f/ p# }  [+ NBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.3 c6 h$ w* j9 E8 m) k" W: f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:0 {" \$ e% K6 E$ ^, n$ K7 }6 v: g

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5 I$ A; s* o. Q  D8 TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 L/ Z$ V9 A; S; x- E

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see #22 Thus+ }7 X0 F- n0 Q  ~: e0 ?
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 e, g4 W/ J" `2 a8 g9 W
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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/ ?4 o" q2 T5 \2 d打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 y4 D/ J$ m" x8 ZIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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6 }; |; [+ `) O9 J5 E, v他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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1 U9 Y* U+ Z% X# x  ]- Q( ]4 zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 S" c) H. B& t( m1 i% y- _

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:8 S7 _- J8 ?# o0 J
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yes, that's the point.

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