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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' V1 m; m% A& N4 X

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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$ L8 ]* ]1 l6 r* L" u& P1 K+ S打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# g$ U' a1 x" A) c) D8 x7 G
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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% w* Q# f  z) m2 cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* t! N& j. M3 G  p

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% e' k4 _* z% O

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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4 ~: o' _4 {4 g! l+ _6 q( C1 X$ L. Hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......