Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# \1 ^6 g$ i7 e( I& @4 C6 m我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ C& }- i) Y6 s5 T* w9 _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' j) |: w6 z* X3 i- r
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: @( N7 A. b/ O/ U) ~+ B6 L( yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# @0 l+ X2 q( N3 n- n/ ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) T) P9 h  g, n8 l9 m8 Y4 r
真的!!這不是反話7 e8 j! v: Y6 N9 ~" y  }
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ [; n. ^2 z+ L4 n% \5 ~9 A, V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, n- @1 G; K0 |* ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ a% H1 I9 d7 @2 G
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, t) ~/ Y4 M1 R# I+ ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( D8 s3 y; b" e* \3 ]0 a( b
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 w0 M( B* Y5 u( M/ u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& E5 f  E( m" g( Z* ]7 I7 j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... V/ ^# h& D* M; S. ]0 N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 m# V& ?: E. x' Eit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 e+ N9 i- r! s4 h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; n, L: W8 h, e! _/ K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) F1 F( U: S0 t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 g1 _( h  t, u! Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: D  L: a7 Y0 c+ M( ]  K2 P8 S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- K" I, V6 R" `) N! a, [5 k2 s

7 b+ H7 \! J, ]" e# s% c6 \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! {7 f) D$ j- d

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 K3 a* \0 D. g  ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. f# x1 N. L. |7 t# I% M' f$ g
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, r8 h  K* k# w" I+ P

! s. u, d' {% p8 {7 m3 Y+ R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 D0 y# [. d8 t4 b8 ~: ^( Z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  K/ d5 L  Y& n7 W5 U9 S# U

1 R1 c, S  [% i8 X, Y3 W9 ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.