abc123aa

Originally posted by ciger at 2005-9-9 12:44 AM:
有人話英格蘭班球員狀態唔好,但我覺得...

同意,因為佢地兩個都話左打4-5-1令到佢地唔識打~

DeepThroat

根本呢個4-5-1係一個完全on居、為出而出的陣。為左要出哂d名牌、個個可以落到場踢、

完全不理會球員本身善長的能力、位置，一大堆人一次過搬哂出黎，就咁想憑球員質數去

羸波，完全係一個無能領隊的表現。

好多人覺得球員狀態有問題，可能真係有影響，但如果想用呢樣野用來作為排陣不當的籍口，我真係覺得好難接受。睇過尋晚場波，我想請問咁既排陣有乜可能會發揮到球員的長處，球員原本最好的能力全完抹煞，咁當然打得唔好啦。

一次過撥哂d人出黎、比人入左波先，咁既排陣要再調動去追番人一球緊係難啦、再加上
超on居換人，唔死就奇。祖高爾換胡禮菲獵斯，完全對成個陣發揮全無作用，換左同冇換全無分別。

哎~~艾生、就呢幾場波，就完全睇哂你仲有幾多料可以教英格蘭~~~~嗚~~"

[ Last edited by DeepThroat on 2005-9-9 at 01:46 AM ]

chicken

Originally posted by ciger at 2005-9-9 12:28 AM:

足球上有一樣野叫做走位,如果你有睇...

Owen is now defended by Two defenders, not one. One mark him, one trap him.
He is not strong enough to do second pass.
He also has no enough space to run because N.Ireland is all defending and do not use offside trap.
And all the midfielders are marked by N.Ireland palyers.
If you cannot break the defence by either personal dribbling or heading, it is very difficult to have open shoot.
Owen shot several times in the match and I think he has done his best already.
The main problem is 451 & Erikson!

[ Last edited by chicken on 2005-9-9 at 02:06 PM ]

ciger

Originally posted by chicken at 2005-9-9 13:58:


Owen is now defended by Two def...

大家都係11個打11個,兩個人mark奧雲,其他人仲冇空位,係咪要5個人mark奧雲其他人先有空位?入波唔一定要靠奧雲,林柏特謝拉特就係好有入球能力嘅中場,但4-5-1之敗筆就係擺兩個進攻中場諗住加強攻力,點知反而令到佢地無所適從,連原本嘅作用都冇埋,而且出朗尼同奧雲,唔掂咪轉返4-4-2囉,但朗尼始終墮得太後,兩個進攻中場又唔上,即係得奧雲一個,唔好話奧雲吖,朗拿度都死啦

chicken

Originally posted by ciger at 2005-9-9 02:44 PM:

大家都係11個打11個,兩個人mark奧雲...

2 players vs Owen, but only one mark him. The other act as a Sweeper to clear space.
And Owen cannot break defence by dribbling because he is not in good form.
N.Ireland defend well greatly because of this Sweeper.

And you say Ronaldo will not do well too, yes I agree.
But if Owen is replaced by J.Koller, Vieri, Adriano, Morientas, Trezequet, Klose, Crespo....
The result will be totally different.

[ Last edited by chicken on 2005-9-9 at 05:17 PM ]

ciger

Originally posted by chicken at 2005-9-9 17:13:


2 players vs Owen, but only one...

依照你咁講,即係英格蘭太倚重奧雲個位置,但其實英格蘭現今最引以為傲嘅係佢地認為自己有兩個世界一級攻中,所以先打單箭頭,騰出多個位打雙攻中,所以失敗係艾歷臣高估左打兩個攻中嘅威力,98年法國d前鋒又夠廢啦,但佢地中場出色,可補救到前鋒不濟嘅問題,但英格蘭就唔得,即係話問題在於佢中場做唔到艾歷臣想像中嘅野(可能係艾歷臣安排不當或高估左佢地嘅能力)

[ Last edited by ciger on 2005-9-9 at 05:44 PM ]

abc123aa

我覺得係艾歷臣安排得唔好,同謝拉特同林柏特交代工作既時候交代得唔清楚.....令到佢地唔知係球場做咩好...所以打到咁,但當然啦,所有責任唔係係晒教練度,球員都有責任。

ciger

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-9-9 17:50:
我覺得係艾歷臣安排得唔好,同謝拉特同...

另一方面係謝拉特同林柏特冇創造力,往往係禁區頂前鋒得奧雲一個比人mark住冇人交,射又冇位就唔知點算好,咪唯有橫傳囉,施丹細哨值錢之處在於佢地有d意想不到嘅創造力,巴塞對車仔球笠射謝拉特同林柏特我諗佢地諗都冇諗過可以咁處理
總之你冇創造型攻中就唔好打4-5-1啦,出兩個工兵型攻中係冇用嘅,'多'唔等於好

abc123aa

Originally posted by ciger at 2005-9-9 06:07 PM:

另一方面係謝拉特同林柏特冇創造力,...

始終都係4-4-2好,佢地係球會又打慣,國家隊本身都係用開呢個陣,無謂走去轉陣啦,一陣搞到個個球員都冇晒態既話死喇........

ciger

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-9-9 18:10:

始終都係4-4-2好,佢地係球會又打慣,國家隊本身都係用開呢個陣,無謂走去轉陣啦,一陣搞到個個球員都冇晒態既話死喇........

不過如果搞唔好謝拉特同林柏特嘅分工,打乜都死