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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, [# D& r+ q% O0 j4 @
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) l- S2 J: L; v4 p8 sBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 d; X7 O3 ^/ d. _( p9 J9 K
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  K4 o; k1 @, d" [0 c

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:2 m3 s, Q7 Y+ }& q

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  H, {8 d/ R2 y/ U其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus/ T6 ?- \5 ^. t* d( K; z

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.0 _( c( c$ Z7 w; L8 ~' p

# a, N, V& P8 F打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, O- `& M  x8 P- ]+ X% U2 \; UIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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; [6 R6 a1 F) V; a9 Q! ~' T8 U! ~4 dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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! Y# k7 v. u& k, L( D* A5 rAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  h- p0 m5 ]( s, l) p他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 v  O; x0 m+ C+ h8 D

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 f+ D( }4 V9 P7 l' y1 j# G
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yes, that's the point.

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