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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% }+ r, H* H. f8 i$ w
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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2 {, h: z- q8 Z7 e' ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 \- P; Q6 r8 e1 zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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0 O' ?( X. W. C: {  MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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; l6 R! _) L1 U3 v0 Osee #22 Thus
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5 q+ n( P( d! |" z8 h. c% s智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" s; M5 Y! {- a4 E4 w6 sIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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  ~! ~! j' }/ c' T他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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* z9 a6 M6 [4 E' H! Z& `/ JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  U) @/ J1 e  k" F. K* v" `

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, n- Q" S# h1 _) [
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......