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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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. E: S& L+ r6 e7 ]& {3 ?智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ l! O  j. [% K, F7 ~" r2 Z2 c" C
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:2 ?! C/ H0 _  ^. F! D
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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9 I3 B/ u) _0 ~8 I. }& H其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:2 N( p! O+ x' K2 y4 L. G" ?
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6 B1 r: Z/ j, e5 m2 p2 h其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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- x$ M1 z# N, Y" }see #22 Thus0 I: l* _) \' Y) E: V9 o7 k
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->$ k( h' Q2 U  o6 `. L9 W

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. l5 F; i* D. K$ _; gIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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* [1 s% P2 Y$ ~0 M" |/ _他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:* r0 K( O: t2 @% T5 ~% ^' F

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) l2 ]* f! r) _9 `

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# j1 U- L3 ~" N) t5 W" L8 XAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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5 I9 g8 Z/ r# F/ K) P( S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:* v. [7 U& u3 j9 f8 o% B4 e

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3 B+ A. _0 F6 w- |9 M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

+ g4 B2 o0 Y8 N2 x8 [yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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' m" v; a4 G# j* z$ ~& ~yes, that's the point.

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  H- g4 n' f! Z, X* V" I陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......