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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ n. R, z( g. I2 E. H6 D

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) O# o8 X9 @( ^智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 N* |# i) H) I0 N8 n

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.3 ?% g& ~% j& l4 E3 S0 K6 ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ @) i5 o% v) U$ I5 o, e
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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; {+ p5 M: B, b1 u" g$ W" V其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% y0 _4 H7 b7 Y6 c

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: e6 `* F4 {8 z9 e. @2 ~8 M, R

" u" l1 b& G% Z- c& s軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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: ]$ C7 S# a& N2 M* j打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: X* |2 n6 R0 O
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ t0 W. c0 Z+ O4 w

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:. c; G  [! K2 {0 M
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" h6 P$ y7 v! j" f( y5 FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 K: x) ]9 o+ D( d/ m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; e/ X# [) L$ G9 o5 G0 b
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yes, that's the point.

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" O& b2 ~- M% o' l  B陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......