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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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9 x6 w! ~. B' Y& W' A智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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$ h- b6 g. q; }- I& |, eBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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; l% M, h, J' N) h2 J: j9 [智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->( w0 G7 M( ^) {/ E& G2 }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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6 T9 I9 @, L6 f3 c1 L6 I3 v- }政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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1 w/ I" t* [/ p- l0 `打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 T2 g9 h- P. o' P: ?" \In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:" t( m- i! |2 i& Q5 @9 u8 w
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ K- V) [* j9 q& g* R& W% V
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yes, that's the point.

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