151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# R8 R- l, M* x* p
/ Z$ c5 ~% y& x: |0 p# ^4 M

) Y) [$ M; @$ V* I$ U6 `智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

2 p. K! I2 x6 W, D
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
2 d* c* G$ _/ V" _) H/ M# o9 O
* K! ]- I5 X' r5 r6 s" Q3 sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

" x% `3 ^: N& ?2 J, v3 h

& o" ~7 @+ l- P/ T  N6 Q- {! Q6 tBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 V1 b8 e4 W- h

5 W3 b7 K* D- L& R) D9 v" n[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: [  k  D$ u+ [+ w2 K; k% A$ f& c
; {5 M! ^1 b% F7 x% a

) T8 \0 U; s9 {But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

# Q! N% C$ j. }
8 i( J% o& w+ T" g; d( b1 x- [& }! ~why?5 L4 s' W) U; N: u: ?5 f4 g' |# `

' y1 W3 e# u6 A) W" v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; s2 v- X" ?3 e  M
8 W) R  h* C: ?9 V! _" g
1 n* u# J1 M& D5 ?+ i" U' F& p' W) \
why?7 |0 H1 B6 u+ p$ o7 F/ R- |
, B" o4 N2 e+ |- K1 E9 u# D
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

7 Z) F4 c6 c) N1 r6 R4 b( M" {

2 I# P' e" Z6 B6 S) P' csee #22 Thus
- T5 d  K9 Y: X  p1 ^9 [
- f) f- N2 E2 k6 Q: C- m- y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
9 J3 x3 q, T  h2 }2 |+ B0 P8 z3 o$ ~: H6 o3 p4 Q
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
' V4 d3 g4 t6 d
8 _9 O- y8 k! K( a# M- B- y/ ^政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.$ K- g' \! S0 b7 o1 Z

5 Q. m  O) _0 {/ l/ z2 R打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 i0 @# R$ R2 _# j# s- @

( w% t/ I* E6 Z8 t' Z[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ E) q- H: ?$ W2 c- C: K
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

; i) D, P% F4 Q& p4 U+ U" s' G1 f0 x& l
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
" y/ v( Z7 ?& T9 U' D" M0 L9 k7 f3 @- [4 R) g" i# z4 W

0 F: z* |+ j+ d. F) q% Y& f  c他比孔明更偉大

5 q$ v5 D- V- @+ S. E% L% c8 r
# B0 ~6 b0 N8 |7 [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# _' @$ W: V, N7 D7 Q# q
, u+ N( d& b/ t$ r
+ n/ u" T) S, Z( T/ G" d* W
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

$ w3 A9 M' B  @( Q" v! J
" @7 C$ _, h; }, w  r他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 Q/ F' u2 g% v9 e
' P8 U( _+ j2 C' V

5 M* |) j$ H) Y: v7 u他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

  q4 S: W# P+ ]yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
$ }) z. E* @& F5 `1 e6 e" r9 h( Y5 L0 ^
yes, that's the point.

; P6 {: Q/ r9 R+ |7 P6 [. P; Y& Y( w
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......