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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% K) `# d  a) b

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ ~, ]2 f3 c4 D# ~: ~! p7 Q
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  e+ S& D: w, I9 x+ ]) tBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) x  K! i/ U. t! g0 \2 G4 c. J
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6 G. R0 B/ ?& `; L; D) M& tBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># `" L  L/ [: u2 p( h. H
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維4 e' |. f3 m. E6 u  G

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; ^- A) y( B2 y+ b! \& V& v
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  z4 R+ d4 D0 J: ^" A
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  T/ c7 x+ g/ |" Y8 A' p4 y

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他比孔明更偉大

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5 m  z; t5 o- r& Q6 V6 F( ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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6 U$ J! ]' V7 v$ `% cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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6 ?% S/ s4 |$ ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 E$ p' o6 R6 ^1 U; r  ^) C
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9 O+ ]. \( @1 Z, F! Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......