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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:' z# M; n; s: L8 ~& c
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* [/ |# |. y/ o) a+ {8 [智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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9 M* f1 G3 o4 ^1 fbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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* e% [* q4 `1 J" n, ]+ zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( j# [; h. P: c  l- I
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ I  f2 M' z& u# P4 E

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) x  ]7 ]: G/ M4 s% X

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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# U3 n9 ?- Q0 ?; ^智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* v  L4 L, _5 S" J! g, V. O

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.3 d+ F' z4 X6 t- G
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' N. _  x+ _" ]% I& fIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ ?2 _! c. j& M* J& o

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" P: Y& w6 k: M$ z' J7 A9 h

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' p8 S; C. f1 C2 w8 N4 {# Q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......