151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
4 C( m5 |6 p2 L( o# }; S9 `6 n! T" k* C. g! d+ }$ X
( l! \% c% q! Z0 @
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

; C# r6 b9 V& [, ]
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
, o9 x: {4 d+ s! X# G
+ W0 z* j3 A: `6 c6 lbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

) x2 y3 [0 Z0 |8 r& S! M, F# Y: O3 \" t- Z
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
: M4 y6 E* i/ o9 E6 F
# b3 {  _! n1 T# k- E[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
/ S) e1 A4 ~; T: x* o" `0 \1 {& B2 B

: x+ L% J! V3 }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

. Q% E2 l! E# x" D! O5 x

1 K  {. R( d& lwhy?3 ?2 r) n. ~/ u9 G* d( J
% @4 ^3 A' K& L) m2 ~. b8 K/ W' t
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
' J- W1 }- }! K8 y0 E& \9 |
  h0 [, }* T; ^! A! P6 U2 P- o1 G- X& U! r
why?
. i8 m% Z2 V8 e2 J! y3 w! X7 U5 A8 V/ I. \! c% d. d) V* ?1 p" J' _& m+ G
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

% N0 F7 ~) A+ y; E6 K0 o) L) H
6 Q6 A1 S+ E1 f* `# e9 Tsee #22 Thus( _8 e! A) f  P: ]

5 J7 S; e3 I( s! h/ e/ _智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: {; D" @( O- I
- w: u$ B, _5 v$ Y, d' A" ~
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; h6 F5 y7 D- P

# z* r  q" K9 J5 \+ p政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
2 z8 U* e3 D2 O) a+ E2 |* ?1 t  B. g* B$ j8 P- ~( U/ X
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
  y$ j/ e& P5 Q4 H2 |9 p
# ]$ M) g  a1 }6 E[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 D3 l  g) W* }* W  F9 P- wIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

, G" h- i, o/ {0 l3 L$ V# _" H

$ n3 p! d, t- m# y# ~2 Z% O他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 W+ U3 A- w3 k: A; b

8 }! a+ Q4 q. `& {2 ~0 L" U4 {, K0 y
他比孔明更偉大

" z. t4 M9 s+ \8 d# Z4 b
7 E; R( P8 p" d. X$ L& k+ d9 A$ @Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; r4 _' L) ?: Y' f+ t2 U0 C
+ H8 z2 B" t+ j& t# @, H8 C

- s$ s( e3 m: }9 c& V- t& bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

! c5 _5 _8 O# n% D
4 r2 f$ G5 d% \0 m* V" [" a他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
8 d( k1 g/ u9 {
- |3 F: @4 }3 ^6 H3 L
  g" d9 N7 x% x' [# t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

* [6 _/ G7 q/ i* B) t: v; A
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. d* g9 q+ i* c. ~5 c
" X4 W4 |' K7 `3 u6 u4 q$ _8 y
yes, that's the point.

  w( s0 M9 u9 i6 x! E6 c, X5 b8 Q& F, W  j
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......