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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 y1 K4 i! V( {- k% @* s3 u1 C

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ X: I' h2 a: U2 ^# o& Y6 m

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:1 J: I& ]8 b5 b, O5 H
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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$ B8 G# d5 l" Z+ R# f9 O- d; A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# c; p+ Q) U% b" o* J
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.# N* t. E3 L% i1 B0 Z* ?6 E! c. X
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 ?3 \1 W* j# @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 E+ N; t$ `6 B  l# }6 y% s& GIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:% s+ y' G  G( g7 Y6 W  X
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他比孔明更偉大

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8 f& J7 ?7 Q7 w  J- OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 M) u- q* V; G; }8 G' L, l
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 @- L" E( S% |  K) H% @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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+ _7 I2 I) k4 m2 y( c; q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; N$ a* t7 r- z6 m" b- X
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yes, that's the point.

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