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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:' K0 L( c& O: @1 O: Z

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 E: |$ |/ ]4 z. f

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: g3 l" ~( G8 s) ^0 A5 r7 ?( D
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: z6 V; R4 z) \- d' L! G. o

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 ?8 z/ M9 p$ O- d6 M) K$ a( R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus0 ^% Z+ N! x! x7 a9 J# j

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. G1 L5 W% \, J: O3 {打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: G. W9 m  ^0 C3 e6 C8 g
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 i3 m& @0 [% u2 R* S! L) S

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, ?0 \! E( I4 R' F0 W8 N, M

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5 L5 k8 q6 p. p/ s7 r3 h& wAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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$ ^' P# \3 k3 v' ~* s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:4 i* [/ D. S' C9 K
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' ?6 V% j! e8 U6 ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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: Q4 B, z7 ^4 A9 R2 x0 z' Z  iyes, that's the point.

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