151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 j. a2 B0 z. J8 ^

# ]" F7 p3 ~+ g- k4 m! x. E' G
. T9 n1 L$ p1 h, k/ X% t& Z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

+ ]& v& z* E; y& b: {  hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
: G* D2 R6 x$ Y9 {7 N2 x* c
* P! g7 H0 ^" W# i8 t# j9 Ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

# ~. B' G: y" @3 y$ N' @7 h! w: B+ _6 v
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 N' H* Z/ K* s7 H

4 m1 }7 Q: F$ w4 F4 }[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
' ]6 m( C3 k) N7 {. e$ u4 ?' e
3 p$ j5 T! P0 B5 q5 k. ~' ?
# n! m$ O! Z4 p/ \8 c: z" RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

! q# A3 {% p( z, \! d1 m' G" u3 b! S2 d$ Z/ G
why?
# o9 ], c3 |. c; b- o2 ]/ M, p
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% p$ O& C* l2 |0 N3 e  p: w. ^
. n! l' M9 V4 h$ m2 t

9 v8 k0 Y) y3 C6 l& M( @why?
# \0 b9 V* m- `' w+ X9 m, d4 F6 U% `0 r+ l
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

! G$ n% q7 R+ N! D& ]
; B) B/ \9 G2 r( |! \
see #22 Thus% e4 @1 G6 s8 M% L6 U; k
3 R. b2 X' ?6 `. Y9 n
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
1 C- q9 g4 H$ O/ E! w
2 S! X6 i* f0 L3 W  w' e/ V# Q: D軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 f8 R3 B; Y; L9 {

- A& z" K5 O( ?/ ?0 }政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
) [2 \9 M/ m" Q6 G7 J! K- T/ [: ~: d. X6 z- \
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( e1 N4 Y/ k$ r0 A

7 A3 L3 Q7 O7 T* z  x[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:8 m6 v5 Z3 |, E
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

+ I( x8 v; r/ k1 C! B7 M5 e! X$ C1 H* i- ^9 W: s7 x) g0 j
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; N0 Z5 W5 i$ I: d- l3 r

4 q$ {; i2 m- b, F# y* ^# B8 A8 ?4 J6 y' i' G; i7 C+ m; l
他比孔明更偉大

, m7 O8 `, ^& q2 Q! H
, A. X% i2 I% s5 k) H
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:; F2 E0 w. X* R# p) u) u: t
& z: a6 ^, x5 C2 h" S) T5 |8 h

; f8 C! `6 M* {/ {' F' c* x3 lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

. v- P+ ~+ l' x% U/ O" ?
* p9 v) K$ R. ~: y
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
( ~& `, Q/ ^: j: y  t: e; q1 L4 n% w: H9 ~1 o9 v
) D4 |5 q9 B6 T. n: [/ a
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

2 w) I. ~" R5 r" D' |  s# U
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
( @0 \! n9 [  c6 w; V1 p$ U4 u- T% O* |! q4 U
yes, that's the point.

  P$ v+ g: z" X- ?, O

$ I- }* W  \3 d" l, N& V陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......