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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ {& _; {  k# C
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:0 B0 h6 o3 E+ ?2 |# G. m

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- }9 e2 x+ c$ X7 V5 @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: h' C- V- W" j% j: h5 X( Z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:9 L" @( I4 u1 ]# x8 o

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?  [/ b& x7 E& x" |, C2 B

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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% L3 F+ G& o7 N/ G/ y6 T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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  I% L0 n/ ~% t/ [# ]  r打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 I4 \% L. L4 A! e8 G. D0 ~
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151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* ~& T1 R& A' k7 J
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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1 z* o* M. R3 j1 q& I/ a他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' S5 [- {: L3 }1 y" N1 B" h" z/ ]; F

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* M  y7 ?( ~8 J9 F9 aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:, |0 w# @$ J, y7 [# t2 r
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yes, that's the point.

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