151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
8 n8 ?5 z0 D, F% R6 B, u5 w, B5 h8 E3 W8 P, e
3 ]- c4 s* R+ Y
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

. V7 k! C# Q0 u0 p2 @  Ebut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
$ \3 v# |* s$ I: q3 D& U- v+ i8 c% T
  r' d8 r/ ?) s3 tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

) p; [7 ]: z* g; N( k( b
/ E6 F% E' M  u+ WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
1 F. F! d" R' w9 s2 W% b( ~* K3 [# b3 b9 p# }* T. H& T
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ r5 N5 v  l* J- [: |$ H
4 r: T% [' d. s  ^2 d
5 l8 Q9 m3 ^4 d0 T$ r3 [
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

" Y( ]4 [+ f  R) l. d
0 n8 a4 c/ B# L- \+ Y
why?, V' U1 K$ \) l* |- C

5 }0 g; h9 _4 o$ K+ |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
9 W+ L/ Q5 p9 o: _. j6 V" E& L% M, x( L" |

' J. N- Q0 T& X; g) j3 {: x/ {. @! \why?( `- U: t* A1 a  K9 B

7 E) F$ d" ]2 ?9 a# \8 w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

) M  q) N) x8 h

$ \& L, @) n1 ?* Rsee #22 Thus( O" w; `$ s1 e) o

, R9 c3 X* t( H/ `+ k智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 L& A( k! f1 U  ^" F  w
( f+ ~/ E: {* D! G5 Y
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
" q( w9 Y: ~( E0 l- c9 p4 k6 t! d+ o) B  M
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
! Z8 F- Z9 H$ h, Y6 b6 z' G1 ]8 D( I2 i: L. m2 q2 S' w6 j) U# z
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
: j; @5 g% E6 r: ~' @1 u" L; m3 i
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- m- r! P" W+ m/ Z8 b
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

5 X+ }2 G. \6 o* z/ ]$ g$ \- v0 L( l8 m( {: D$ U" M' O
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
1 T2 _0 ?3 K$ w8 K# T  s3 E( |+ K5 d+ X5 Z+ W2 ?

" C8 a7 D+ Q0 X5 Q8 H' k0 X他比孔明更偉大

1 o- P7 R& ?' i0 C

, Z& `6 x+ E: \4 y6 H- BAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
3 W1 I$ q" {3 U# H: Z3 A# J
* u2 w" @" s# N% Y
8 E7 n# @" B, P6 `0 gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

. M* \" l; g: Q( U' n

& d* T. a- S( ^% S; S! w$ n7 E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' W0 ]# j' r+ Y1 Y; A3 B" S4 M- Y- v  }

* b7 R5 J0 {0 r# L5 r5 B5 {$ u! F5 A+ b1 c( h
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

, P- d$ C3 d) D/ Byes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 ^, {* U2 {; O8 P5 d" C2 k
2 ~$ v) d% |; n4 v! Z
yes, that's the point.

2 U' e8 x) `2 \0 P6 u/ O2 T+ ?/ Y& h0 m- b& t$ ?; a
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......