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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ N+ I  Z! Y7 r" o  \. Q5 L

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

$ k! `* @" |* Tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:* Q) u; t$ B# J% u
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 s4 \2 Y/ G$ g6 L/ c4 r4 Q5 O
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:+ d$ U& ^- O+ ~) e% _

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5 Y& |7 n6 X! @0 e; ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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' m$ c" E$ c4 U# I* b其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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7 W. M3 z/ r$ S' |& g+ [; L: ~其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus, p" ]& v" v; u" x+ t
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 A8 x7 C9 E- r
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維9 g, O0 \& P& }5 W5 j% Q

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5 s6 G4 T  j0 G& U7 Y2 w2 l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( z! h* J3 k, ]" O, e7 ?
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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" k3 r, U, d3 j' _他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% B4 m' G2 z4 g- W0 ]! M$ p/ M

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 G+ ?" ?0 ^  N! h1 ^3 F% b

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......