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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 I  L- e; d# z4 Y4 X

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% Q8 c% u8 E) \

# q& {+ \: A8 O1 b5 J: P( w" T- Sbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- G) a7 F  q! Y1 R( e, jBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 N, L6 n' l. q/ F( K7 s
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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* n, L8 X! w) ?6 y$ y- C9 PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* j6 L) j% J" R6 c7 y
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.( d. T; ^: n5 E! I& N- e
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 M  f" d9 w, U; J
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# d0 F: M6 N6 R0 qIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; _$ _  U" P; t7 S; @

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  c. s5 `9 I+ S1 G  o

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 O4 B8 C: u6 D3 t( f* U3 S

" a' ^7 r& E. b9 A* e/ Hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......