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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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9 t; d  N1 p& u" @5 E3 E智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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  s6 o3 \1 c+ B' O9 {8 }1 Xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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% g: N) O. I1 e" t3 xBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  A' l$ n; C% x) I* }2 m4 m

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; e* Y8 L8 a+ a. p  a% }

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why?
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* T- U; C) x- @8 _6 J: s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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' v5 ~- v- l! S0 f1 a智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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2 e0 Y" ~$ p" [! g3 `, ]軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; A' a! [# T+ h, o! e

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
7 i# P' Q" x" o* C. r# E* T  nIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 ]: V+ F$ r5 J+ m# N

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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5 |+ i+ W! i. B' Z# j* xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: g6 t: ], M# H) A
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# [9 N7 q2 H7 ^0 G他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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  R" U5 b5 x( w4 v$ iyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......