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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# [; G% w5 k) v$ F* X

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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% P/ E- K' n) y& p: i$ X, J. x% ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' z; L$ Z% `/ b( l, ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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* Z+ j, |5 u2 N% \. s$ UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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- R4 z- }/ M+ g# n其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. ]( d/ I* z8 d6 b

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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- `+ s8 x% {  D& l* V) W; y2 {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; P0 ~/ c: s+ \& i  a
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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. |$ I2 p8 R! ]) D5 s+ q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
- ~, y2 A3 J- J4 k% o$ gIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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  S8 Q* r* A& Q+ y) B3 C7 [他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  _+ {7 V+ ]2 o$ m* }$ ^+ o& S他比孔明更偉大

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) G. r8 s5 q5 O' n9 ~# K6 ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 v4 d6 W' @4 s( M
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& V  ]- Q; x3 A) T: {他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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& \1 I! H7 `# }! Byes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......