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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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4 Z! @# B# \: V& M) l3 Qbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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5 y+ q% R$ _/ v) v& K/ `5 LBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 c2 k5 e- D% l: C$ r9 Q* s( Z
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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, \% B! f1 d' K7 C$ z/ {/ a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 J+ F. ^8 y* X; n1 R

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 q. @, q/ z) n% k, E$ }

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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.6 F0 `! {& {" r5 t+ |/ p# O: M$ q1 l/ u9 }6 G

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:) m" V2 W; i7 I) d* e
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) {( T( g0 P7 Z0 K4 L$ v
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3 l! ~4 o& G$ k1 r1 h0 y6 VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 Y) ^# o6 U% j2 z: ^# p$ f他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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6 `( L" h- W- p! {- N" |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- F; k4 Z* Q4 x8 V7 Z
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......