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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 E0 p# V1 H- |& s* X

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% |1 C% n9 l; n8 L! _

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.! J  q% [, h3 M) M- v; S
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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* g/ q/ x1 E! _3 T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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  S) a: L2 ]5 U/ qwhy?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus8 q& `7 u" J7 V- V/ L7 {: t! z2 G  V: T
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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4 y/ {: b3 F. ~% _: d' i軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ _- ^4 @$ f- ^$ A3 s* E" z9 XIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 {6 z- V$ }( I. [

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 Q  C9 K" {& i  _1 S6 `
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:" C8 L% d. e! Y' K

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