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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:( V( R. [2 J, G! O) h
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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! p5 ?- a1 e- t2 Rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 I. E: M" i7 ?6 Z) m- B' G: w

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ s0 @! e5 |, N+ B7 P. T! h

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5 y5 q9 U6 j& ~& WBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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' R$ U; k% ^3 `$ T/ p4 Y3 [; R: E7 Nwhy?
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! b% r% G1 x- G/ ~6 f其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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+ S6 N' x8 z: `軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.7 P. U, p2 e' N$ ^. b

0 b5 {' t( \* n! A打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  i, X) i0 O0 w/ `
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
7 g0 Y4 L0 V& y9 ]. ?  p' z' d- q6 _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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$ A! F) G+ \6 S2 I! Z0 y8 Q: }他比孔明更偉大

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( d3 n( I- d, e* PAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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; M. `* L. l1 Q% lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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$ W5 i8 _. k8 W" w2 y4 m他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:8 @: y$ J7 t8 D0 D, l
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......