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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 k7 S5 U) |4 f/ F: [" f' A
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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$ O" r$ g9 C# K! v2 @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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$ E; Q) x# [( ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus9 E" @$ g& r  P2 s$ ~  ?6 @( r% J
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 N+ U$ s0 D$ Q; a3 `; v
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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6 d" A6 j- P4 V3 f) L5 H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- e7 ~2 m( ]0 e

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: q, V+ ^! g/ l1 `$ q/ H2 kIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  T$ Y2 K& S" w( M" e) d) m
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ Y2 g7 n+ v; Q5 }9 {! R
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2 d8 B8 V1 d: o. IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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' ^, b. i- I2 V% D他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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8 ~; `, x& A! c* ~5 ?* R* `yes, that's the point.

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