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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 W8 N5 r7 b7 P& y; d

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0 a1 d- S9 {; \But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) o* O  v. x4 M* [% ^

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# Y+ y' x- Z( X, A3 F7 H5 J- p

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( w! e8 Q$ s6 T5 R+ K: QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; o! j8 h1 ^. L
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see #22 Thus
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$ Y: f5 p0 o, D0 s) H) E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.; X: S4 g% n0 K& e% K

# n! G. J6 ^( M. z2 s+ N打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: z) j4 g, V0 F- h* p; I* p: \
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:$ M; Q6 M' U1 `2 p" P4 F" r% F
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ Q+ v9 J6 p" Q- i  l

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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1 O- E6 N) a6 ?+ _8 i' W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& F" n1 t% u9 l+ G# V' C

; A" u% N. Z% J/ {! ryes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......