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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& I1 m* Q- s; U
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 d' R, y- `1 O& `+ \; I

: t, u" i) ^: I, d" A  pbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.& t9 n4 F4 O9 T8 e# T* h% u

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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: g1 V/ @) M  o. Z, zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.' G+ Y: `1 [2 `& P1 T& w, M. w

; @: S3 @) _; a1 X/ y. Q( A1 l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.0 g& j( N2 b+ C4 z% c
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 Z% B$ o# C; K% t8 G( SIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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' g+ A8 S0 d) j$ m0 b5 x/ I: ?( F他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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% n! v- T+ Y/ q, f/ U# ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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# [- V" g) [) X9 Q. C( Ryes, that's the point.

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