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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

' S7 L* Y, x& @9 Jbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:4 K6 h  T. ?9 f  b$ Q6 O

' \* i9 ~& Z8 w- ~3 l7 {- cbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ |, o2 G2 ]6 u' C" K- i
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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7 x" ]$ |' l% Q, n& c6 x其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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$ C% ~/ {' l- p- C% o( I+ ?7 A( a智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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4 O6 y) u6 b# D) P3 q8 E9 j* P" U軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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. G  q' s' v0 {1 ?打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.* Q6 Q5 E; ?7 }$ y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 _3 a3 ]+ n, P/ M/ O1 WIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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; z  G. \; a4 I' H他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:3 x2 ^+ A3 f  ]/ d
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4 t2 g# F; x9 V1 z; ?8 i% dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 h, C- \9 N. l& E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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- ]7 s6 |* ^, @( T他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- p$ t! d3 {  u0 t" b! `0 @

7 D; K4 w  |) m3 l* D1 `- e; Q7 k, m/ O) gyes, that's the point.

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