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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ T" s7 U* r# D7 I
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 _5 P& Q, B: K# y2 u

( a" [  f! n1 f- `* y: R1 j% Obut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  T; T  f3 e" B5 C  U" w9 T  SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- m0 [6 \9 v  k4 j, {: W
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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3 a1 e1 T  o0 C' q其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 x* V2 a6 v- t" H9 E/ w5 l# u5 O
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  w$ s# W: H$ m$ m, h
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' n9 D3 }8 _2 ~1 ?9 N: R0 d; KIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- I3 H% Y9 @& c2 _3 B" g

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  @9 E' T# N7 U+ |( Z5 Y+ S& x9 \& o9 jAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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1 d: p( H7 B1 g$ F$ I9 y# F4 ?yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......