[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

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好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力! q# j, K; E5 [
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙- J: F: H3 Z4 D% V
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大家覺得:
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只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
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自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
* @" I8 n' m; |+ ]) q0 ]覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?% g5 q7 b/ v" z" }$ L3 ]2 k
有無成功/失敗既例子?
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我諗會幾有分加
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀
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crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
  A6 B6 Y/ w3 T3 Y1 J當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦# g6 A$ j" Z4 U! j( R4 s, ^
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
) A1 B+ Y* ^, b) X4 c9 R9 D個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
! j+ q& a# R3 |就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書% l4 |; u) Y6 f/ O: Y
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層3 [1 _0 M0 I. }6 P
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

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" C  V1 c+ r9 i$ ?! h用運動是很好的例子
- Z$ B& P! Y: Z& u' s因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
( s: B9 B" d: u) f% X" o; f他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
2 r1 n) t% N* t同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
7 Q& T# I$ P( Z3 v而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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. r/ z3 e5 e) a7 B+ ?這題目矛盾的地方是:
$ F+ e- |! J6 U% U. t! `1 m3 w太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力7 X8 i  ~! Z; S7 n% r
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:2 h" Y# J( j% K3 _  M! e

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/ [$ z. Q6 h4 U6 g( ?7 {- m可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層

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$ a8 w& \1 F2 X& `4 V呢點我非常認同,
& l3 [- K2 X7 @% F" E但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈
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crap

龜兔賽跑: - 天份與努力的故事
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2 `9 }! B4 g) G. `第一回合: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
* q. \* k8 w2 J; s解釋: 有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)
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5 g6 `' B9 v2 Q8 k4 M5 t2 ~" `- B% E第二回合: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街1 s5 b8 C! _. B! o; ^! B, \
解釋: 只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追5 E3 Q5 G$ R  _0 l( }& f, I
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第三回合: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…* _; ~7 W' ~- L, f  q& D% Q
解釋: 天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會:cool:
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crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 02:05 AM:$ M- Y$ E, O! i! w) U8 }0 \1 u6 L0 [
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5 Z4 w% G7 q; I6 v5 L如果你係冇天份而有努力, 你總可以安安穩穩咁生活3 g( g8 L7 N9 A9 t: Q5 a, j* I
如果你係有天份而冇努力, 你總會有一時風光, 但唔會長久, 真係<一剎那光輝唔代表永恆>
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我冇乜野心, 我情願要努力. (死前知道自己努力過, 總算死而無恨)1 Q- k% \% `! M

2 v  L6 o  v1 ]) ^- i: p2 c% [7 bps. 其實 "努力" 係唔係天份之一種? 真係唔係咁多人可以努力

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This is a good point bro.
/ s0 i% \" w+ l7 `: j我覺得每人都有'努力'既能耐, 而且人人都可以好努力做一樣野, 視乎佢喜好, 有人可以一個月唔溫書, 但不停玩online game努力升級, 所以我覺得努力唔太算係一種天份
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crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 02:41 AM:
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hi, from my opini ...

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, c6 r+ q/ S3 K( S& @) Thaha, i got your point there . M2 z( S0 b7 v/ q9 w) ?
my view of hard working is simialar to yours... + q/ j+ I# I' y3 P  P( `
someone works very hard to achieve sthg,
+ T8 F( m# P0 K  ]6 b" o+ vi didn't actually mean someone play hard, but i would say if he did work hard in order to increase his level in the game by giving up sleeping time, dates, etc....
" S6 S7 [3 j2 I1 d$ \i'd say he's hardworking, does it make sense to you?
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3 i: |& N0 |6 K) S/ a0 w4 ianyway, it's good talking to you White Choc.

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Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:
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yes, i get yr poi ...

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um...
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haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me
, K$ Y7 I9 {+ z/ `7 Y  L5 E. Wi'll try to think about it more deeply later on
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. I: F0 F$ V1 J3 C8 E& Ygood to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:
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, m  h+ H1 M6 R. S: D; _多謝哂. 在我的定義中, &quo ...

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- d" _* E" ~  P$ S+ S, |hahhaa, 不用客氣
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我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了 & ?# [9 z* {; ?8 k" k$ R
以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀
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" M" J0 f/ m0 c- j哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM:# y& `+ X& l* E( j* P

1 {" H# l+ m. g# P: r哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力., T# h+ G) T; ^" n
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哈哈, 我都有少少離題了

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哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢3 ~0 F0 N0 _3 Z( V0 @

9 k' ?! v+ \2 [6 }同類既topic會盡量日日都出, 希望大家可以一齊用下腦袋啦& G) [2 o" b0 X: o1 P# B

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[ Last edited by crap on 2005-4-27 at 02:39 AM ]

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Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM:
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+ f  C4 `8 ~7 \( m! ]4 {# J# jhaha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

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haha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally)7 k4 Z' k2 B* u1 T% P; q
pls enjoy
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again, have u tried the 大義滅親 one? that's quite funny IMO & F; r# d" ^. @& G
Give it a go if u have time