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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 R: ]1 e- n( x2 O" r

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" N2 n0 f- o+ ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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/ p' T8 X1 M) P5 r! KBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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9 v& S% f  r6 Y7 ^$ F0 E- ?/ R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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5 A$ b7 t( p; Osee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->: x8 ]; ]& B( Z% I! V
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% e, q& i" {% d9 ~8 T

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 U( T/ T9 @+ o3 Q7 ~, {" D* X

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:5 h9 {/ C" B* l% {, C
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: I6 f0 x( o, E) e+ _( w: {

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 A5 w2 m  D1 r2 J; ~$ y
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) t7 P$ ]- g& B: W3 Z- H) I) wAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 B: h2 D+ j. X$ V! ^5 w6 e, e0 N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:( {' Z0 o; V/ N/ z8 g' b
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6 J* |6 p% L3 t0 b- e+ n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......