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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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) ~  e8 [  ^! W1 m$ U: E, {+ iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 s7 \, @: A& ]2 {: s: d3 ~5 H& G  U) `) O
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:! Z& |8 L2 @3 }5 h. p
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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4 d4 i, A' n! f; y: r* A* [see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! g4 }9 I! q& i/ R$ M9 W' s, a! X( a$ ]  O

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:4 v* ?% z- W, n# g) z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ O7 i0 m) K) Y; O% c$ ?$ j
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9 P" f$ K, r* S8 YAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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8 Q% G5 m0 f: {Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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& n: x( `0 n/ I) w+ I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; U+ x- D( j: r1 V/ v

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7 }( ~1 T. t0 Z% \他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ f- N9 L, [* h- f

9 a5 _' v2 G1 V  [9 R7 Pyes, that's the point.

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