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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 f' I$ j% i6 a( l8 P4 p9 \

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 f% ^0 a+ u9 X3 j+ x1 ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; l1 W7 l: e5 Q; m: p$ T0 B# }! Q

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:8 X: }# {, ?! c# U* P2 }2 T3 ~) w
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why?
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& X' u2 ?; C: w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) [1 ]9 q0 ^0 p, e6 l
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維2 _( b5 P& p& W: Y, a

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# `+ Y8 V2 f" s5 S9 c$ R% A# F$ q( q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- f" s. b! ]4 [9 p
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 o' @- q& q# g  |" Y' s, m  Q
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! h) u* x0 g/ z) O) L+ oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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$ J/ |' f5 ~, [" ^' W2 B- i他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:3 J* D% V+ z( v: T6 }! r
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" t. H* ]/ C& K8 W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:* x$ D+ C$ K! ?! u8 y

7 h: C1 m) Z, N2 c3 uyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......