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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 n& \% M4 _; l; ~5 B$ v- f& Y5 u

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& F( g4 C2 b* q. J; `& O; @
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" a# C9 F4 v4 l. b. M# L. S% Y3 w

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1 A3 B0 `" u8 f4 Q" E- rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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) m4 ^4 ~, f6 \- \+ m4 l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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4 u( d5 P3 x; y3 L8 }7 P智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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7 ~& s! a! \7 ~軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維4 c8 F8 V$ H* w! Y

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5 A5 O9 N) w* J! v+ r打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 K9 L6 o- C9 N+ W2 I
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:# ^3 B) J$ v  D8 R* a$ T7 H$ X
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ S; F9 `% P+ l' H( p4 Z

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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& `3 u7 C4 j4 [$ ~; |+ f/ z9 fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:  C. S* B7 V* R

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- f  v* ?% S  Y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......