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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 S7 S$ e7 H9 f6 `) Q. d  G/ v
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 c3 ^" m: ~8 ^$ G0 F; v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) F" _' N4 N6 m* _8 U$ z
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% x: L" V& y: h& }. H

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus2 K3 G: s7 X% U

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, Q4 l: [8 ~+ [" [) ~. i
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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; T' y" t# v8 u3 @打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. s4 q) {! b& Z# v

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 s9 p1 ~% H# `- i) y' n5 iIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) Y4 a, ]4 _$ x) a" W( ^& C

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 @( Y' F' T& O( d4 t1 r

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3 t* H' L$ ?/ f8 _8 o+ YAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 F; m" |. K) J$ W% ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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/ G* R. c) u: }% F& F, E( q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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