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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:) r' V; I4 H# l% D% h6 P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% n* F9 w1 \3 N/ Y

- m' z' \& x" I8 lbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' Y! K, t, x6 j6 I) F. H! }  l; r/ RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% k+ A2 [/ ~5 |0 N8 q/ o
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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( w: C% d) s" x; XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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. b$ M- |& M& V0 q: _% R& o+ p, i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( m. c! ^8 a2 B  g4 f# |

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, x2 X7 d+ ?: a+ Q. |* c

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# E  g! x' G# Y* {7 a0 ?6 Q+ K
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 j' d" ^! m% H
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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! ^* s0 K! h4 l6 C) p9 n8 kAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! \7 ~  ?2 f& h, }2 ^; ^
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( U' M  @- _/ e6 ~1 BAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) b5 t8 j# j/ b1 N* s9 P他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! m+ t( y: `4 s6 h. H2 x
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

9 a% o6 S% Z6 Z! @yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......