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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% z! p5 c( p) @9 n) H0 s+ Q8 b) X! v
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ k8 l' `/ ]* n4 m- @! C) kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) e8 E& Y7 J( o! `1 j
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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9 q* c8 Y  ^1 s6 u0 n其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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8 E; V7 S6 ?) V' \7 b" D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" X: U+ z  D, k2 {% I+ q9 j. {' a' }
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:' U% m3 h2 B" P3 ^! k- g9 u6 t
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他比孔明更偉大

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1 x; Z* |& A, e- h. y* P) |- g7 sAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 [+ x- X5 q! o; \8 V6 F5 g6 z

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" v; a  S' i" U/ uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. Z1 W6 ~+ L1 Z& N8 i! H他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 e- E  I: u$ t: o

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2 [& b! W$ E  y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

$ K# z3 O6 A) Y6 i7 s6 l0 zyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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( t4 Y. H* S9 q4 E9 yyes, that's the point.

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