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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- a! P7 B7 ^7 i9 F
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, l( ]7 l5 N: p5 C" E( g

: ^) }# M8 T. D* X' j! U0 ybut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮." i/ U+ \  z* B! |

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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4 I! y1 d; ?: e" O& t3 L) YBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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% k6 k3 n. Z1 e# x  v- k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus" f5 P+ N! S* h+ m. N5 r4 }: \1 ^
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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6 n6 s/ @8 c2 g! T; a: O政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.$ r( K9 k# |$ o0 r
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 l% M) a9 E* J4 ?+ I7 l
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:) c0 R" v$ @4 ]/ W" i% W4 o
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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$ T* W' k1 r. @4 b1 q8 _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% E& f9 K& y8 E' v4 \' Y& ?
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

3 G# e' [- d0 E) W6 Jyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......