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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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  O4 Q( g5 q) Q( K7 r3 G智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 B/ S5 k' G4 B* {

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+ b1 ~! ^- X4 C5 K: P, i3 w& yBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 ~, A, g! j4 D% Y1 Q* M其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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7 {! |2 a/ O: {+ p! w軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 p3 `8 G5 x  _! Q& y  l- H
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" {8 x% @4 _2 G$ k
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) M" D8 E3 ^! }. B7 s' j5 q. ~
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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7 W) N- f) M: Q# G& n" F6 ]* PAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ W- @" S  m1 E3 h3 z5 w  N
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, o1 C: R7 p" P, A: K3 X: G! g+ K' C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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