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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 V4 E/ l' `. B+ |) v; ?1 }6 Y+ E
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) S2 I, v; h' K智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 G& O  f7 Y! p/ f0 Z  y3 h
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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" w" a+ V+ Y+ BBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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% Z7 }8 N6 I+ e" p' B2 v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:" q! e% P( ~2 J( A( }( d, u

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why?
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/ v+ j! V$ q* k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 w, }8 E1 B# d/ n& e8 m( x2 i

3 R/ N* S$ S  ~" [2 H; R軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 t* j9 d) n7 V1 D) ^7 ?

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.3 L9 }1 B8 q4 [; m
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) x9 J0 P5 \8 a0 sIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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9 @/ F- i1 J+ ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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! Y, x, o) N: J3 s0 t4 ^他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......