151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
( b" }# Z+ {4 P1 A. @
; k/ G7 o7 j& t9 Y* n0 a( P
1 l+ L% e2 l% w' _2 [) l& `% l# ^" @智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

; E# v5 I* K# X9 l1 }but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 e- ?; n1 Q8 _1 ]% F$ S' f
- \& _8 f* D$ i: {5 k, e  W* m
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

8 M. U! X% }$ x+ ?. o2 B

2 h, ~# K+ t# O: t4 Z+ rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
: T% `0 D/ ^( u, H7 s0 G, Y8 `1 u4 M* a9 M$ r) }
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
8 b; o4 p# C( H, B# |7 R/ p2 Z, ?" @7 c7 r8 Y
* i+ I  n9 z) u) t: z
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

4 y( L0 g0 ^/ c2 n0 y2 v
* D2 t  ]; T/ z  `# ^$ h
why?
) I% L% }, _" G, I( \: q0 |
0 a9 A9 C+ O3 F" Q$ P9 k, P  S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
& X8 H/ d' J, U9 L' W4 Q" @
- A2 F! t8 ~) r; D$ I- y6 W: j1 ]
why?
" @+ ?* c0 D7 D. n/ T# ~0 y8 A) W6 e; L! _8 |. m$ d! o4 b
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

) u) w2 d) ]6 h/ O+ c. {( l

- R! {: ^# `8 h5 j% Asee #22 Thus
6 l1 q1 [- N4 p6 ?. K' q/ T* L* Y/ K$ e! U2 o1 H
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 F5 Q' g( C# t* m5 p) y% `2 e
6 f8 v0 e* i/ K) Y7 c9 K
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 `$ \! m2 d  u, F; m" f  z7 ]- h

9 K' f8 k' B% i5 D政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.4 k0 _5 P+ f5 v( w: k2 v" L

1 @" Q* b8 h4 [5 l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
  k7 W% D7 F; f
2 s5 ?' K3 [" x! |1 r( p[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* C/ S/ G& c* oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

. w3 t6 M' i: E9 m0 Q3 W8 u! P) S4 z' {% o/ |! W0 k* d
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ K' r( e0 [# p* H) f0 g
2 Q0 \' X5 X; @- D
- i$ m9 ^3 D$ Q8 a) ?9 n3 m
他比孔明更偉大

9 U8 D5 W! J$ s* F6 Q" J
1 T$ |" U4 i& Z
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 n$ U$ {% ~6 Q1 k

" P0 J8 x# j' v: `/ j# g2 [% ?& J
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

# X0 o5 Z6 S5 y& |* ~

) G" J' u0 o1 G, y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
7 o# T( ?" W/ G' U  m' t1 Z( k( r$ T# F  j0 R; J

7 l5 w% B& `2 t1 Y2 O1 l9 s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

; b6 C6 `$ \( L$ Nyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
# Q8 u# |$ h0 ~  b4 g% s# Q* |" N' |0 c! _& M. P2 b1 [7 P
yes, that's the point.

, b! C! R7 R' Z6 i. E, A5 g. i* F  u  C3 v3 v
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......