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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- ]* D+ J1 Y7 r5 w, [1 V+ @6 O

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ M0 ]% _# ]* N0 c  e" i3 A
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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1 U6 a8 e8 n0 B6 _( p0 Z3 j/ |9 VBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.; ?  Y! O/ o( o9 a2 v; G
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% k+ \0 m- e7 f$ nIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' b5 a" p" C7 L- H
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' d- M( A8 V5 q0 I# u- Z

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; g: c; \( P1 \: J8 e/ }8 s8 ]. H
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......