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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 e+ x/ v3 i7 V
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 Q1 o  X$ |! E( M9 `

( V, S8 ^$ D8 U9 f& \but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 ~1 ]$ v- B. m+ C& I0 mBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) s" D& J- q6 S3 v8 y

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# Z5 Y8 I% r/ V
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$ ^4 S8 f# p2 }4 E4 r7 R  R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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5 w+ k% o* O! i* |see #22 Thus) h, `% Y1 J* T- ^& ~
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># ?1 f! C- k+ o" u& U& l& B1 q
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ c) U% }$ R: ]! E% a$ t) }; f
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  ]& z0 y$ C+ N9 W! N/ r5 I$ n! v
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( S% K3 k$ l, z& d5 X2 B* ]
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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; b3 B  _" ^  o: V( [- X8 G, C0 \. B他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:* S6 R" A9 x) O$ S+ \
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9 j0 B4 [+ n0 O* k4 Y( FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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( v6 C7 V2 k; y: R' _% v' `: L. g7 FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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6 [/ O; R3 E% w5 k+ O8 `8 L( B$ d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:( o  E; }4 g, p8 H+ P, {, i. D

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8 C( K7 f/ c: T+ l他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......