151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
/ a' k) p3 R+ J! T7 X
$ W  [4 R# v9 |% t, r! Z: w& k% J# n, T5 p
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

9 I' K+ {3 [) |0 d* V' B4 ?# o3 @
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:1 e) g( X! ^5 ~. m% U( F% z+ H

9 t: ?5 z, T8 a3 @0 Ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

. t0 i4 m6 u3 L& h
4 b4 f2 r' @% [
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮., Z% d0 N& d8 o+ y' c4 p! }+ Y
& [! ^! O* F1 r4 o# f. d( F- o
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
- S" j& ]* x) F1 J' x& v' V) a9 P, w: L8 k' {

) Z3 m' _) k8 r' g) m# v' HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

( o5 r1 ~: ~) \5 M$ P0 K
# V# V* A& a1 A' D( @why?4 [& w! q, M; F
: Z0 c0 F5 m2 p2 }
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
4 I" s- r0 W. ]/ T/ h% ^0 Q( T- E: M
8 }! W- H) r3 y5 v0 U3 W3 r% t; T, o8 i9 S. V
why?* Z% h/ h( Z: S' n0 t" r" O

; O& `3 {% B& m1 Q其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

$ S) i) e/ C5 K! {1 Z
! n& g4 b0 G- o5 x4 z8 X$ C( ?see #22 Thus
. E' D3 [4 n- B& `! w
. z+ V* _" h/ t% Y+ t) A智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; _8 g0 m4 d$ n( c4 S

5 G  Z, B- b: B! S2 H軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
, C, [/ m; I. v, {% r: B" h/ b8 r" Y4 M9 K
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
' t$ S" Q; p/ \) M/ ]2 U. T# `) d( z$ Y
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ w  y, k8 Y$ N( O( I4 ?& F+ f) o+ h

2 J7 k% q1 A7 g6 Y9 x, _[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ H9 x# L# a' o$ Y! i& L& c& YIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

, O! K! f: L; ]9 r8 L! {
3 d- o3 O; z+ V
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 x2 X4 u/ [: g% \

$ ?, @) t" B& W2 K6 O& T9 K; j
他比孔明更偉大

1 s& y* w9 w8 M8 D

  E: I) e9 C/ [5 ?8 F$ TAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
& _2 R' ]7 X" m; h) }" K4 K* l4 V3 J

# P  S* M0 H; T' r+ y7 IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

; D" I- i' C8 A7 `0 T
0 L( ]1 J! L" @0 Y8 h$ \5 D1 Q
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
5 \- U# X9 u$ a( M- Y- s! i8 ]7 r; e9 C- k8 H

8 x: u% |* ]/ m/ [1 J5 H3 i他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

7 ?, P. K0 F6 E
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! _* j6 v' h' D( J& v4 D7 L
4 y& C; L3 l$ s4 o8 P0 Z) [7 a
yes, that's the point.

6 v! W: }. N' t* c( ]" h" w- e* q) S
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......