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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- W6 P/ H$ r( x1 x) U% K
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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" K; |+ y" @  Q$ T/ [7 @% ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 F: ^6 z) Y+ _& MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 d7 b& Q& @* s2 h1 z& M) z: |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ F; S6 _# [; A/ |& Z9 f# o- {2 `

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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, K% o$ k$ Z5 k3 e* h1 J6 }/ W# N其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:% s6 U. W5 p. q; j
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus9 D9 i  n  a9 o$ w3 [2 d: @0 X8 m# H8 ^

5 N) ^1 p7 P9 j智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->1 @" {# F# Y8 e5 z; i3 j& E- K. l, p) _

# Q9 c( V9 x/ D3 P軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ `  ?9 A- U0 E2 N0 a) L; b
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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: ^9 w8 }% l6 I' {1 ]5 w3 |打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
4 A; C. h* a6 U; d0 ^In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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7 V' q5 Y, j5 x5 ?6 c, QAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 Z3 U5 J, }$ F5 \
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, Q' U! S" Y7 ]- u! o! [: K' fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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4 D1 c- p+ x; `+ s" h: E他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: b% i! n/ f8 b, _8 ?# ~! ?( j

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& p5 G0 y- W- N. r7 o他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% s  v$ z+ y# T  |

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