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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ `! k3 Q, ?1 @8 h5 S% y

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! a5 M! G  I) s$ H! @0 b5 K0 x+ J/ S) i, m

$ ]" i6 n+ C; Q* B" c& Z" C) hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) }' m, g: H7 y( ]2 x1 x+ }
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維6 o! S: x, i; O) q; V

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% Y) Y* T; d3 e  q打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.6 z, ~: ?' s# N: S2 \& P
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 u) }5 e1 P/ p& |" JIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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* g& K: B& K* y: C/ eAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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% x$ c- c  L# ^5 BAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......