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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 b! Z2 _- o% P2 e" Z7 m

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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+ C6 _$ b* w: m% Ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ o8 X# M' l0 ^$ M! {3 N
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: g# _: b0 Z0 {  m  [

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.  M' m+ _6 f. d) L8 k, ]* V1 B3 e& v

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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:8 \1 @$ ^: H& t5 `3 `+ `
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 n4 |4 d) ^& O0 L1 K, G

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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" |) v3 O& _& }& D. V  y. q" pAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! X; ?+ K' C2 w! G3 D# f4 Y! x5 o
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+ i  l1 S' W6 I& P他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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, U9 r4 g5 z+ r% F9 S2 kyes, that's the point.

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