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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ A+ G% ?' Q$ {+ }

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' @7 @) A8 G' P5 h* B7 \9 P" y; r

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! W3 f3 q( k3 S7 z' b% iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 C/ V: `8 I' @; ?& P
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus8 k, W- N. N7 F$ T) E+ V3 I

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- [& M: G3 x# E" T0 ^
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" c! T9 {0 D$ ?7 i4 IIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( J% _5 M- k0 |" j* x0 x
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% w, Z9 {) o! oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 V3 A* m2 m6 e. }2 ]' T  O1 T" j

" ?! j0 {" O  b/ iyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......