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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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% p" [: n% }' o  {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 }3 K$ U# h' x
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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& P; e/ ?2 P4 E# iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& n: v$ x0 Y7 d5 E* U

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus( Z& |# F: y7 _3 E
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* a$ Q! Z% F1 c+ K- J6 O

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3 L) w: o3 K6 Z7 s; f9 r8 Q- B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.# D0 |1 r" g7 x3 C* [1 K3 T
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 u6 x& ]; P1 r3 b, \1 W; [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:2 Z9 T4 ^- {3 }* r, r; {" W' r2 k
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$ Q% i9 a% E, N' {, b, i4 KAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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" l7 ^4 J5 M5 M% i2 M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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7 _' X; n; }# qyes, that's the point.

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