151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 T, B9 |3 U2 }8 j& w' O- I

0 [+ r: M* o$ Z% H% U, v) @
9 }$ @9 z; m# X) F" r$ Y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

# q- G8 ?6 n/ r/ K7 e: |+ [- I+ I6 V9 C
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
; ^" [8 ^5 N1 y4 f. [' n6 w
& u: b) S: e7 o; ]9 G+ \but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

: C8 F: |+ w% W
* D4 E' |# d# }/ }/ ^+ k
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 W! i" P- m6 m( a$ M& `. _
" r$ s. r6 I$ z7 D8 O
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 L& H  Y+ i6 G: M6 _6 N& P
, g$ I) m! K0 o% L( s7 s" K) C

  k+ I! T, U8 \  G4 r0 H( I+ F3 ^0 jBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

9 T( a' b# A- v6 }- a& T" u
4 P6 m& b5 }9 g" E/ _4 Y6 F8 pwhy?
& h& O- e/ @" z0 v' s
9 J1 z! M2 g8 ~  o! M6 Y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:5 S- I& m* w- {8 _# y

7 \$ h2 ?4 \+ \2 z/ c
0 a: @0 W/ ~+ J0 j! twhy?
, _+ y# y9 N7 c+ S+ E7 z5 B8 F7 M+ ?& t
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

/ o7 y3 j* E" I$ t' Z- q

- D; n0 Z9 j  W  P' B: X! J6 |" Zsee #22 Thus" r! ]" l1 C6 o6 R, ~

: r9 s6 P8 C+ r智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
. b" N4 S& q* l) C$ u9 _, ~8 Y1 }1 n' M! a# _
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* b: C, B1 ?4 u
1 |$ C  z. ~. u! H/ i, w9 l9 B
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.; F( c: a& l4 a: t! {
( K) k" w: U$ r
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
2 E- }' J5 @4 M( w" O7 h# F4 B) V1 W2 i
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:  }& o. x" x; K7 ]. |
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

# r: J6 F, s. q4 A! u. a

/ X; L8 @) _4 Y( x* c" K/ G他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
% R# ?1 E5 L5 U6 K: M! |
+ }$ E7 Z# v" V( X- u
0 }4 q+ x$ p( j. k' d6 F! M! I他比孔明更偉大

3 S! K2 b1 S3 g  A

# Q& A/ q6 M* H$ k% bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# P0 q( I& r$ z6 B4 t/ X( s

7 X- d, N6 \4 F! B
& n# z( x2 {3 @/ T, u& P. B/ \- yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

# y2 b4 ~. j  F8 t2 P$ t. U

1 @4 I* i7 C; n* F% {) h: a: t8 z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
0 ?& J. E- a. @9 |4 U8 \) n
9 ^3 K8 f7 ~! B2 J0 t" q: E" F
  [5 r7 e* @* Q# w( q- l4 ^他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

8 g6 I1 ~/ M7 `6 F0 V9 s
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
2 g- x8 {. _5 K+ B9 b3 T. j& l. B5 h! Z8 Z0 w# J9 Y
yes, that's the point.

+ s- k; f  A4 P. H
: V2 ]: d$ _& s2 I" M& z+ ]7 A- |陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......