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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:8 n( \* v# n5 g3 ~) e# d
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 D. A7 n) l, D3 l, m0 }1 s5 j2 `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.* n3 F3 e  a" f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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8 ^9 d1 E! n2 ^: ]% U" Q  S+ oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: |1 F& R% w7 [+ D& t
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus6 F! B- T/ j5 w4 D& e( v+ {

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維! f8 h- Z0 H7 X# _5 K- X# ?

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 }! A  L3 @, X! c( V4 i: A
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* c: i3 S" S- A9 H' L. OIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 \' ^6 |- h. J  F+ ]# ~0 K! x

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ p; l# S4 S  l/ N! h  [+ I! I% J
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) l1 m$ S% s+ ^; X% [; |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; r5 W5 }2 N0 z+ e2 B) E
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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! q6 {8 d) l7 I: c陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......