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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 P& \, v: f7 B  {8 j/ sBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 p- n" h( w# v0 i0 H$ o: G: Y& o

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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2 s/ K) {" K, {  F% }- f其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:5 q& b( F4 u3 z* |+ R; `2 C7 `

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see #22 Thus
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( {' w9 S2 T: H6 L( O3 e# d智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. k7 k4 S7 A" V4 F- m

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 ~' N& S9 H/ F1 kIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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, b1 T- W4 _/ D( w8 B- ~Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, {: K+ A$ K/ k& {9 `/ x1 ]
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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' p+ f4 @' ?- ^. N+ W: l3 x他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 @# E" g/ w6 Q$ S! ^, B
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+ o2 j- r6 i: a他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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