151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ t& B, C! ]/ [* e; s

* M3 i' G7 R6 V7 d" A- S5 O  b
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

  o9 A4 ?- R+ l% k% [2 B! T
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
$ i8 t1 @+ g0 k  {+ i0 f4 h$ H  b9 y: f# q- i/ _
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

  a# l2 C: a% H; _8 I: p" H; ~( b& A  v% E& T' j
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.. k- R$ y! t9 B' t' X
! [) }2 o- e4 Q8 H2 H
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
0 d  `% i) y& _1 \' N
: \$ p% t- R: f# B! [& G" z" W4 E+ j2 D9 U, ~' K
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

$ U1 I* L: Q  ~+ T2 D$ a

. v; t. }4 ~0 b$ Z# Z) ewhy?9 S- X, f, I1 w# ~; s7 @1 X
; W  T3 X* o, N
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) H; I% i5 c* S) G6 Z
6 U& x; T# @# C- i. s+ K
  {; _; x; o+ O# u6 Y% e; b) X
why?
3 J" g" Q/ A( h1 v* E5 S" z
3 n9 k6 \0 k8 Y6 @* Q* @0 p# o& A, g其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

2 Z( C/ J3 Q) q8 x( A0 a

* D; w0 o0 k. z1 l4 e, hsee #22 Thus
# D1 _. y8 `  W% E7 [! b( q
5 z; Z) T6 i$ q7 b5 q- ?) t智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 S! N7 m* Y: M) i! \

! ]/ O+ b: O' I9 a4 E  \軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維- l3 \7 b7 k% R/ f# H: B

8 u" m5 T/ Y# I. y, E政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details." t5 M9 `, `/ U. C8 H7 ~( B; q) P8 ?
8 s! T* i) a! e# U
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.5 d3 C( U9 X' a6 Y" x
/ v9 q( ^& j4 b7 O4 u5 @+ @9 b6 W2 G
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
/ A/ l- I  i! {4 r* \! S# bIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

/ e  O+ K' f! q7 ?' ]
( ~# }2 T- `% j8 W+ y5 `: D# i9 l
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
) a% |7 R7 \$ f0 U
+ v% I$ u; d$ |, p- ^9 a& x% g, o; s  l" I5 `
他比孔明更偉大

( T) v( Z- u9 o' d* {& M# [0 `( h. Y
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
8 B7 s  ?; r% C) i: B+ w8 @- i. a+ @: W+ S
; \: y) }$ F2 R
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

3 b- R' T5 K1 E  U" n) I! t
, A, s, B1 k2 [" J5 R7 `  k# Q
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 X* Q4 n/ h  c" _2 e9 \
, o* z& A7 j2 {9 V4 t

0 y8 R$ v$ i1 S6 c& w2 {. W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

$ F3 B; s2 L. u) H+ dyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
8 u/ r: y& y5 t& j7 {# I, i- l9 i) U, c7 E' Z
yes, that's the point.

$ R! k8 N! `$ {: v) g! E! [3 a1 X; t. {/ l
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......