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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ \& i3 a$ ?8 B) V( Q
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ E% F% y5 i: i. e6 x+ o5 A/ M
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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! Q0 q' |$ ~1 X" u4 J* W6 i- Z8 `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ ]; `2 A8 v) N

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 s; p8 u+ A7 v$ E5 ?
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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  c* A; ~) f- g( W% M1 |0 H智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># O3 ]; S) N3 @4 e2 J* ~) h  @: \1 V
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維; P" s" V8 ~5 Y; n) v4 L/ V8 m1 Z

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" S1 `3 c2 [- `5 g打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 E- S$ q) C3 w0 m5 q) ~8 B
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:) T0 W& H. s% s( q( P3 e( g' Z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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+ A1 o5 h( G' R2 \! OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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. T; u* N* t- J) c3 P' P& \Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" ?" {+ g" p1 d/ N9 l: B1 e

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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7 g' x$ h; Z0 m0 ~9 s. D2 `陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......