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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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3 P, p! t# b7 ~- W( [, X6 a0 u智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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& p& R- K7 f, i- d& EBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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+ w5 U+ G: C( I: U' B2 @% t其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ [  R# U- P3 S% p6 \! |
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  E- G1 [7 }! }; L' ewhy?
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- r3 K, g- I% B其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ @8 u8 w+ G9 n# M) J( ^

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2 L; a' {/ B5 N8 j1 I  O+ {) Z! H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
! _0 }0 \" P8 v3 o! tIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ O, q7 R9 @- M6 z
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' V& ]  p9 Z/ dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 v) z% _0 X& d, y2 b

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 u" n0 w+ I3 X' G
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yes, that's the point.

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