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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- e6 w- l4 g9 y

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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2 Z& r5 C, p& Q! K& W6 y' ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. _+ u3 V6 c4 g( E! X9 aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. h, M$ ~1 x; x6 [, F% K
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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+ I& X9 l5 \8 R; G  [* w. i軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維2 E  E. W1 K- E
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.) O" N$ h$ @% z" C

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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. @5 O8 I& j. }0 J' \' E

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, D( a+ Q8 i; N  {3 T2 OIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 z0 x+ R  ]6 L, W* z+ {# @- ?
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2 `. D# J+ @* q9 q# tAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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! Q" ^" i- @( C: P' S1 X他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# P; a/ A0 B% k- j0 i$ F
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9 U- X) }! n0 L+ f; i7 `3 M& N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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