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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 `, P' I! L6 N4 R4 p6 L: O
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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, I2 I) U$ F, L# Y/ @+ wBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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& i. E! E) T( L- a4 N& S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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2 B' D# d. y5 C+ s  n其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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, l. F$ s' a+ G打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4 i* b8 c" l# e* P( w( d. p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, _3 W3 e/ i/ K8 MIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) A- H* N- Z! @* s( h
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他比孔明更偉大

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" ~- t, g! z/ r% f, D( a) o% ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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6 J  X5 u. e0 g* |/ ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:3 z/ h+ ~8 I  C6 Q2 _9 r
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: I1 p% Q) b! \: _他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 S0 ^1 L! j5 I7 i$ J* ~

$ z# v, B4 ?7 Syes, that's the point.

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