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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 x1 E1 K7 H" n0 o% C; A4 o0 M" w
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 H+ U* F( V) s3 ?2 ?/ {9 U

. o9 K6 |& a5 c5 R$ Xbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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1 I: f/ A& |( j2 x( eBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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( {* z. k/ E4 ?; ?6 ?6 W打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( g7 X# {# ]5 r- e2 F# X9 D3 _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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4 c* q/ G' }$ R; {他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ Y2 G8 L6 y) p" t; U5 Z/ v

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: y0 D. F3 w) s) y3 e

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. T3 h! l8 E0 m/ ~4 sAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) {& z( t- m& H8 t' X2 V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 U/ l# O% w1 |* |/ h+ i  @+ v
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% J5 z$ z+ ^* Y3 ?" S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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( M6 g6 P3 R9 a! N1 l+ Uyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......