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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# n( X" Z5 k5 D- K. q7 X* l9 n8 F

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) w1 U+ s6 p3 z, ?
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.& t9 g# Y+ m: ^2 @& {6 |

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* y0 E( D$ P" U& E5 C$ t7 _0 ]+ h1 i

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" w0 z3 Q' T  ~0 SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 a* x: E$ C8 q$ [9 L: j7 V$ w

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2 g: E, o$ h/ y: q8 D; T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus  W( c( K% L0 K6 P3 z5 a& \4 u1 X0 @

4 M# a2 x( o1 e9 f: m智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->9 |0 x" }+ G+ O& h9 f/ n) A+ h# ?
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維, Q2 O% g5 [- s9 J
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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8 H' u: }" q! l6 e. w打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.8 N  _* J0 y& }' n" _( Y- E

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:4 g" p( R1 h0 O" N5 n6 z
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  ?- T! L1 g2 u0 Y& \7 ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- J) f- c& F( e# H+ ?% \* q! V

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8 e( D! P, r5 @; ~& vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, g2 h7 D1 e& x9 W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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