151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
; b0 X( x3 t/ k; |4 \3 D% K8 ]3 y8 v+ d3 H/ a
1 a9 [$ T9 [) `* e
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

) E  ^+ }3 a$ S6 }/ f
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
* Q. y4 ^! A, M) k7 S
5 a! J: X. a5 i4 mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

, \' N0 f3 T: C3 N1 i3 E

- ~) X2 s. B! Q' C! v- ~# H3 uBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
! b& G, K. T. q0 t3 R$ b! @* X+ \/ E" }% l3 q+ K/ q, X, K: G' V+ F
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; K" `7 n$ y. J4 M, x! S8 {

' t  ~7 |0 X9 e) y
0 Y+ P, Q+ L# K1 l1 c7 \, s# _But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

  Y( P' _& x+ g$ T
5 i  J6 ~  g, q$ U4 Y( [2 R+ }. j
why?7 C6 A; E, ~& i/ C/ L! s
$ ~3 A2 t0 l3 T- f, L% R* Q
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
6 u, E9 }* S/ b8 ^+ p! H. h: P
' v0 a+ L  F* z4 a( r# E+ l" k2 [: w- J) \% w
why?
* G, r% q" G* [6 a& W% t9 t0 V) P
8 M8 j$ b. b4 d$ S9 ]其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

0 c. K' ^: h+ b% S; @- R. W% P& Q2 E( Z  V! E
see #22 Thus
) V; p  G  ]7 `0 c% u' V
- ]- S3 M2 j) [: O# n智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
( N- @, A/ c" P5 [
1 `2 a/ w8 D( o7 f% L軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
7 q/ c9 p9 s: z3 n) L' l
3 }- r. e& p- N0 H政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.- Y& I8 p. [& U% ]* l4 j' B) ^
& F6 k# c* ?* u) e7 D! J
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
6 ]3 B4 U' L  B; Z9 l
) I1 u0 C+ @) b8 g: a3 m" V[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:8 Q; ~1 O. V- p9 |8 B6 K
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

8 [+ H2 u) S; y' s4 K8 K
7 M& B  h8 X( [; x' M他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( S* t& J5 Y/ l- ~6 @- \# s

$ o# ^& H! W. {: L& n$ a( ~6 a8 A6 Q9 A) U, Y9 \
他比孔明更偉大

. g( F9 L7 J. X+ d. q0 W# @
3 i' F( n9 T1 h3 e& ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% ~9 w$ ], p9 n: ^( s7 @
$ U8 f' Y& A) D0 o' S

  O; c8 D" o" \7 LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

! p8 J( U% A9 _4 ~' j# Q$ j
4 @' j) S- ^8 n他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
1 v) m0 c, i* y1 j" O# s2 Q2 n1 |
" _) j6 b6 f5 l( ~
' Y$ B2 h9 m% X. R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

( [3 U1 v  b; Z) a  myes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
# _5 J; \5 @- v3 d4 @
+ D2 A" d, q- ^5 Lyes, that's the point.

  w( k/ S, q$ o: w( G
& R4 C6 b' {  a0 \; J
陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......