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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& w+ ]% O* l! M1 D

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# C+ K0 n- Q& A+ v

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4 B4 S9 \# U9 r7 ?" x8 UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:* j: X) u% r: I! f
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why?
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see #22 Thus
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  u* g$ r& O# g8 U智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 d/ `, F, |7 _( ]* m
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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; f. M9 d5 ], d! Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- C; {  M. ?! T0 {. ?7 e* C

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:5 l" X8 ^. I- \6 a. I& k  N' `
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:7 \1 [% C# o* l6 a, f3 k

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 R! i. \( }3 t" n# [- P7 `
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

$ T* \( ~$ W2 Q" y7 a1 W- cyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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