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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 o) ]( Z( }+ f; F5 h" T8 I" T
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# j% y0 O0 U1 `0 Z) e5 C* k, D
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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( u* ~5 z8 g7 a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:) p  y9 N1 I3 ~

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. x& D& c9 x! w. a  R, T) b' c% h3 X智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->. ~! z; s' m& {/ F
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.3 ?8 C& h/ `4 I3 F; z

  t" U2 g/ O$ N* E" b% M5 B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% w. s& I/ e8 [  L" _  L
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:- ?. K$ m- e" e
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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! l" H4 f* d  ^( ^8 i( [( n, nAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% f# ]; |- ~% A1 [

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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