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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: ^" ?1 C" S9 w. e5 E" U3 e3 R
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:. I7 Z7 }( q( _5 }) N

  ?3 {" w/ U; e; c4 b/ `  mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; b( i& r: s' t' N/ p8 j0 C" }
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, v7 ]4 c& X$ @" P% G) fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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( M; P+ u8 H7 W其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus. H" \. ^" c7 T7 S0 v; Q

9 t# x  X- c) |& X: n; P1 c: o智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維9 @+ J* ]) f$ ?) B

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% ?* C5 M/ f3 Q) U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( w, A/ k4 X1 WIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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+ Q% g. [2 V% @! @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ U) u5 T. a3 G2 x6 H

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8 d8 f$ `  s  \- N0 ~他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 [. q1 ?' M# o5 W3 R0 |# X

6 o2 X/ y5 R. K0 H, r* P6 X3 Yyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......