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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  ~5 i* d; R/ ]0 F+ K
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 |% \1 ~; D1 U
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* D8 Z; E7 N$ C5 G% {" G

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! n/ P* ]. c0 F% l6 l& R% J# k, NBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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7 f! @% \, z4 l* h1 v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:8 J2 i# l3 z5 P# P4 h

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, g$ d9 w( e4 A' j) O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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; f: O) v4 y& O( {1 m  u智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7 y  x! J: u8 T2 s5 Q

2 \; ]4 E. m, ]* K8 V1 z# y3 F軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維5 b9 P0 x- v( Y$ Z$ E: \
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, w( T7 m# x" e) g" OIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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4 ~- y* V5 t% l6 ?( z9 G他比孔明更偉大

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" V( R# y$ U: u% A* X6 k, e) aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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2 f0 ^/ H  X( X! IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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0 b2 ^4 G* p( G他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 U6 X- h  g- `- E- \+ }
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8 c& S4 v& }6 w: M2 s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 m8 F$ e+ V& M/ M' T7 J
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......