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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& O# L8 ^3 G6 {! o

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) A6 b4 B0 P, @- p1 n

$ V+ A2 q; b& l9 K4 abut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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7 F  |8 M$ S0 }6 B8 Z" SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?8 \+ t7 \1 N/ ^( t) o( R/ t, d

7 N* D: ~  v9 Y1 N" W8 |其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus% f! f7 [8 \: X: @$ {8 t0 C4 f8 o
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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% s7 {* z" i/ [3 y( M軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維( j  R) x7 ^- ?3 o

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# U- |% g" Q1 v打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% ^$ U* b3 Q* f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:& w* q* R/ l) Q$ S- D7 h# g
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 v! `2 {% j7 L+ b. S
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7 k6 }) a7 s9 J/ ?% B4 _( |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:" y3 s3 g/ D# V) z2 f: x

" c5 C! L/ k; ^7 H5 _/ C1 gyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......