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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 M% b% G$ s7 D' z+ k9 G; ^1 W

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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$ O1 l7 O% N* l/ D1 F7 vBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮." m& T/ h9 x& L( l( M+ C9 ?' v
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:& N2 n1 j7 n/ O$ T6 R/ F

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7 z1 D6 e+ p8 Q$ n) I. BBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 h8 y$ J) e! R8 g7 |, N
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
% n: g( _0 i/ ^3 `) Y* d7 F7 ?1 H! QIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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2 S- o6 @% m. C$ A6 ~$ f他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 j, n4 a6 K+ J+ Y! c8 ]/ I- v$ O

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他比孔明更偉大

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* d/ F$ l- Y' EAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:8 [5 w& [' ~2 Z" }. c, _$ U2 Q! i
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0 F1 O/ g3 Y3 }3 u) cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  o* @) F; u& a" p& s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- `! E5 N4 \6 |% W5 _  b

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" }; L0 C* y' ^% d6 X: C* L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

1 O7 ~* y& y- Cyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:- f' W2 E& D7 w4 v% ]
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......