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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:. r: b, [! T$ c" A
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 K1 g+ K! c% ~0 ]' KBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 y0 k, E2 \+ [# J; l4 y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 y0 j; T" d6 S4 y: c  G

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) @# I7 x! D6 G& F* \/ {- }2 cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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3 w, ^/ _1 V1 [/ ~9 [3 Z% k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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6 U1 i2 h1 Q# y( T其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus: E8 R7 u. X/ f- G& D+ _6 M

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details./ r4 h% @( [/ d

3 k8 M& H. `) W) c/ R$ j5 z打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
) I5 ]2 r# L6 @2 B2 t. _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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, E9 ]% b% Y3 E: r他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) A3 g$ |, \2 i6 }; K
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* S) c9 P- b. b% P" _9 O

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7 z' A2 J) _: S6 `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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8 q+ c. J7 n4 n; X* i1 w! T6 u) Y1 t他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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) G3 g, H6 c/ y3 i' r' y# Qyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......