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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:0 g# x) K  m( Y; N6 {# @

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0 q4 q* ?0 h! m7 J, E6 W智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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* |4 ?; Y! }  q) kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.% D" p) A& l3 e4 ~
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ d3 ]  x+ v) W4 A. D
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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2 P$ S/ K) I4 j# M. D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:9 E* i& H- Q; m: |9 I9 f; n

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7 g1 l1 o' j; A. `$ U/ ~其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->1 K% _0 A# A* d8 q  ]/ {5 Q9 k) T$ v
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維! T& M* M4 j* D$ c  R& O, K# q
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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9 n% N. p: K( u打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ P+ G- ]( U8 N& v5 _6 k5 [- f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
- n6 H9 Y1 l0 B. w) Y& v( oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  R) U6 R+ c" r- t. [; E6 k- L5 q
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:. Y0 X6 N/ m; J) d2 Z2 t

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9 a' [0 @3 ~9 j" f: s# n, j$ `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  e1 P. V0 l. X' R* y8 z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:  Z$ D, m& I. \: c& q
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$ b; u* E* N' {" X/ P他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' a7 [# Q( d/ x& }0 `

0 {; i5 w) b$ z, G$ _yes, that's the point.

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