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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 F+ e9 ^& d9 g5 b: d8 G3 W6 d* Z

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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# W$ h, m4 f% D, g) y/ i3 T# cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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9 s' P. ~' H  w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. {) i, M& {% x, ^% E) m# s: _; W
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1 S; ]* o4 l* P2 e/ g# j0 p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 ~# r5 o- r8 O. x# r- u

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) N2 F" O" N& G$ `7 H打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
/ T+ A  Y) ~' Z) J$ _( cIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 ]$ C/ _/ `6 u/ e7 ]- T* ~
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:" t2 y* P# A  t; k

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, H6 u9 U$ ~% e! T3 cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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  v2 ]2 g+ i# k2 k3 _% N% J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......