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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ i, n% r" S/ @2 |4 Q8 g# p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' }; O  L, N2 o

# w3 T, w7 I1 a1 bbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' P, F! A/ x# d6 J* G1 o' z4 i* pBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.3 U5 j# k  E% B& I, _5 j; _
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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4 M* B' E, X/ ksee #22 Thus* `# O. p/ K1 D& D

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 J5 s4 |+ b; n4 s& o5 x

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* A2 f7 c8 n9 Z. v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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7 ]7 G# h1 g. X2 S8 J! |( o4 a, `他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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- b2 Z) b0 `$ |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:: s+ ^/ J) V. \; V8 |3 f- t" ^

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) G! h' S9 z2 f5 ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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! H9 B) A" d, ?! t: b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 x. Z9 \, p9 G0 a8 c1 \8 `
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$ d7 z2 s" c9 s) Y" @7 q& K* }他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; {. J3 N9 W/ e* p( _& w0 }
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......