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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 g  r9 t! v0 c! g& i2 U7 Y& }

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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; p  g& n: ^$ ~# I) M- _, U0 H5 r: rbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 Q2 c$ N/ S% X0 b3 |
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# _& A. W$ ?/ XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: X9 D; u7 {0 `% }

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) o' W! l' U: D0 }

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.: h$ L4 [0 C6 d' W  a7 [5 O

' N3 Q/ Y/ @, x; U$ c0 ^4 Z打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  d& Z1 t' k9 e* E' O0 G& `9 n) l: S6 [In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:8 ]+ [  z1 t& y+ n

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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/ s5 _5 z1 `- v/ zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  ]( Z& U6 N* L. d3 S: K  m9 U他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:* C& [, Q( ~) A* m7 }

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2 ~0 v; N8 d& z# A! P! z& [% d他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% F3 s! F0 U$ _5 H% Y
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......