151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& \* w2 A/ M1 x* J1 X1 @
8 N- W8 Z( w& S" K) I
" t. d# r6 R1 F" T# w' @
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

" |/ ~: n# a0 |7 |; K. x3 `0 ?$ i* b
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- U7 O- J% j9 K2 f" n# f# B6 |
) |( H" X, K: _2 L8 x4 g
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

- k3 W( t3 f& A# a+ v$ }" @2 w8 ^

; x( Q& H/ N, j. N. Y- S5 LBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.' u. S5 F8 ?: p# U" l9 ?4 E
8 }. Q: i' s+ L) G* |( q, W! F0 r
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; G) K: c2 q$ H! [5 r8 t' v# @

9 G, I3 Q! Y, v+ B
* p( V/ _' d5 E  t# [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

/ _) O/ W* z9 C! X5 U+ v2 w0 ~- |$ D4 s3 i: Z+ H/ [' z
why?
& J4 l. H# n! B3 @/ R9 y! O' d' m6 X2 S  U- M% ]$ P1 J1 E) X# r
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
; p6 |4 q: p6 q$ D+ Z! c
, s) H  I% ?$ O7 H' C5 n, c! I2 E! N* Z2 c/ O# l. g
why?, C/ F. Z0 i: W

. P+ p6 y1 K7 v9 O; I其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

$ x2 U+ `1 S* x2 B& e$ X. C% o! m
1 E- |1 W8 T/ m* S; L7 w. k& L2 W
see #22 Thus
% Y! e7 r! f$ Y3 G- d$ E% B' r% @
/ ~1 H- K2 d' D智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% k4 j0 Y( F% P# s0 {

4 `' X' W' s8 O8 \9 T+ h7 i1 c軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
5 Q) r; h8 G8 W' O$ \+ O+ x, C6 B0 F9 `0 Q
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details." L, E4 q! w7 U- u1 @

& s  Z5 v0 B9 N7 u8 {打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
4 }7 W& a9 V2 k- D% @' g! E( n  ?8 o! `, v% S& @" M% i( m# _
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* _$ r8 Z+ f8 c8 x
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

8 W; a3 U$ q# s* C1 Z
& k9 M( x  [- ^. K# m
他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ Y8 o% ]2 q8 ?3 @+ }
  ?# Q( L6 d! k; ?

+ _  o( ?. p1 q" u+ m他比孔明更偉大

5 ]: P4 X0 L- ?

9 `$ e/ O) n& g+ |( P% a5 vAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
( f1 H2 T* v- k7 ^, h* a( ]( i) I/ E- c) \) l
; \( \1 ]5 s3 K5 [) w6 M) G* Z* f
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

& ?+ S2 x2 e- R/ g; y
9 ]: Y: O# T; |! l! E7 C& L4 w他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% r; f) B8 M  m7 u

1 p0 S5 j$ P5 V8 o% q: K" H: z$ Z' A# }
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

% ?! w( y/ l5 s  ], S$ l" {) I. Vyes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
6 f9 T, O  ]0 Q7 l  u( Y
2 q9 E/ D/ [5 G* i$ V; I( @1 o: [5 f( \yes, that's the point.

0 G) o9 c1 s5 s6 p- n  Q  ?
4 B( b% a5 c$ }- \7 M陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......