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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, U" l: ?+ u! X8 F/ \+ P

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:$ `7 X5 j6 g" v1 i8 k

7 }4 T/ n( }9 X: {  C- Zbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( G" B$ J' ~( Y& p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" H3 L- s' U" ^) s* }; ], A6 W

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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) d% w( @! t6 Z: a! T, w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維% t  a3 U3 j8 _* g* @; o  |) _& D
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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/ ^) U$ e( g9 e打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.9 t; W( p4 ?8 ~2 v+ W0 {/ p
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% A1 B, u' h9 b; g9 v, A/ }
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 W, o0 f$ F1 \: |5 `
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他比孔明更偉大

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! Y9 i* U! F% {- @' ]/ G0 a5 g) KAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 Q/ b* }. t: q  F2 r9 H5 t
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......