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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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# ?( x: I8 q9 P/ s智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.: P/ L% w2 H) U7 }3 a. q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  t4 F9 V3 T1 k) T0 C, z5 a" _2 d; b

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( _2 {3 @6 s- a3 W) H" S. G+ B1 B& MBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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0 Q& }, S' v  g. K/ |$ ~其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:& s9 g. y- w3 k1 C* t
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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& l( T# s5 W! V軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.3 V9 W7 I; z. O4 p4 J$ E& Q4 x

1 d5 y( {: W. b- o: I' x打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: y. M( C  N; T0 n4 G% |

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
1 c. D/ _  D6 H& |In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:$ M8 \1 e' O2 U2 j2 h5 n

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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/ D# A4 Z5 Z8 C; LAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# p& Z4 v: S, y8 _

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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