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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:- |# G4 J/ _) p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:) Q, X+ K5 R: \+ m" S
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:. h, u! h6 t! u" u
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3 c7 Y, J* |$ Z) c1 S: A* ZBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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5 A# L) D3 t5 k  |# O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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; i% O% @/ q* Z. J+ _" t# f智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:" D6 n+ C. n' [  ]2 R
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  r% D1 i8 j' l9 ?8 {: z& Q+ O2 n
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8 D' e" Z" {' \" |Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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' L& Z1 P4 K+ T$ @% L! l他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ O" B# i, [1 k, U; _. \

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ L7 {1 ~& E& j/ u( L% V0 S
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yes, that's the point.

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