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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 }4 \4 a7 @# n0 ]6 v. C$ }3 K# [
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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* `# y, g- A# O: W( O其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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7 N7 o7 ~4 ?  o+ r打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% o" B* N9 {& N- o/ i

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:1 b: e: ^" k; I7 G9 ~5 Y; }! B+ |8 i
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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! \" Y& f' W$ I$ G# `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% r6 t: ]6 Q" I' X5 Q
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( T4 ~8 R8 O  J  U$ `# ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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2 ^7 D* W. k+ \2 u  l9 F& \他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  o$ u! }, V: I4 Y" Y

  X- F- w- @: \6 Q" Yyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......