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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 q/ ]( w6 t& n  h' }$ U

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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$ @2 L6 n1 V& E+ ^* q- i: Nbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 K$ s; A. f. }6 O3 |2 \/ r0 x; P
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- ~8 d. V& l: c9 V% w
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' u; a7 n+ a/ j3 M0 k2 ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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$ Z6 n3 o7 n! o其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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9 H  E" X/ _* t/ G: e% R/ a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維. j9 Z0 Z" ]2 e: P+ x: W

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) X; {8 k% J& o* a: s6 U9 b打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 R1 J5 e1 u" m1 a8 p+ AIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ m* ~" i: |' r/ ~2 ~6 X

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他比孔明更偉大

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! U0 F  R4 @2 e0 FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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  Q" e* f! l$ v- W5 D' n! q1 D+ IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:5 u* @  b; t! y: X, E3 m. o2 B9 S# C
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, R7 {  Y' M6 X% |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......