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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:1 q# {9 K% `/ }1 j
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 L' @/ L3 X; b# [

0 h! e1 c, I8 u$ n4 v# gbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ ?+ T5 }$ V9 R( J; I! ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?: I' I4 i1 I3 ~9 r

0 ^8 N) o  H9 P- y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus8 l$ k+ @1 }) h# U" ?

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:4 c8 ~6 g/ ~* B) w9 u% U
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- _) N" V9 g9 X# Y/ {6 V1 G+ n

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 S. S/ l, W( g* l  w7 b' T

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, K& Q. ?, W* `  X9 D% |, zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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& T) u; I0 u# Z/ W" O3 p他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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# V  L0 y; e* E+ o. ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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/ D( r# j0 i0 m5 R# x% u2 }陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......