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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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. _1 \$ ]6 T' j' m: D智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

2 J4 d3 I/ ]# ?but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: A' Y8 s! |& d# m0 s$ W) ~

, d- W0 s# n7 l) M2 R$ R6 J! ]but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 I6 O$ k+ V4 i6 S! w; G) D( H' T& S

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* b# y- x& h. b$ x7 a% G
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6 k, ?0 O/ F! d# m& vBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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, r. |) B4 O6 _) ^' U0 s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 `1 t  v; I/ L. C: y
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why?
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; p2 H9 ~' s4 a0 Y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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6 {8 m2 C& {- V0 Q4 q$ _$ A智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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' I5 k" Z! P0 g打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- z9 p- v& U) C" ?3 I
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& F" g, P' S! Z! T/ Q5 S( \: gIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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' S3 ?7 ]0 O% J- T) ]  Y$ c他比孔明更偉大

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1 j+ U7 w. }, d3 ^Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 K+ F% W* t7 X* P. c/ J& V

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: }) q; F2 @5 m- P9 c& y: DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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) Q6 q$ t& S" N& K+ l+ A. \他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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6 ~$ z* B. x/ S7 K2 g他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 M2 z0 f3 o. ]9 B; D
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......