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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 x" r2 x& P. U7 b2 x4 r% K5 @

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.- g  M5 w& ], p: l

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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, Z" J- j. Z" ^1 C6 L2 Z$ FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus# F' P6 ~6 W4 i5 v5 e

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* Y  e8 e5 O2 O* J3 y

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( o# k( ~5 \1 q2 ^5 j
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:! [; m/ ?8 h/ J+ k4 y+ C' ~
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:, k$ g: V0 U4 @/ s8 o7 O6 v

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$ b) R+ ~  J+ o$ Y2 O4 `) Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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