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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:3 h7 M' }' i: i6 O

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 p: k1 P9 P, l7 N5 z: d$ JBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; _) ]' y, v) l% |- ~0 |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( U5 |  f. y0 S; |( K

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; \/ F8 d' i! U1 A: T8 j1 @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; E% p& D7 i8 E, i: |4 r

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" T- T% a8 `( k- _3 ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus* e& j/ ]; X  t" [

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.' M$ ^  `" `" P6 A- ?4 A. N" Z
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  w& {. D4 W; I" D( y" W

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:0 c, }8 m* B/ F; ?$ E+ Q
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; P: n8 `# q. H6 k, e- f

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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9 ~4 O% k8 r6 p, D7 YAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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% y" g1 f; `: v$ s5 l) X: S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' r2 o( M* J$ a3 d

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1 L4 z8 |; @3 Q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:4 g9 B9 u+ J% B" S6 }
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yes, that's the point.

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