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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' j4 \1 `2 D  K

3 Q2 z9 q5 d2 c# d$ o. E  |) mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ u7 P: m, X( L% j! ^2 GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 f; c! a0 m6 ^/ n
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" L# W- H1 A/ N8 IBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ e! A) g6 l/ K+ b" U6 l0 x

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* f/ k9 N0 b8 x. D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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. ^4 u& t% }. S; B, I2 Psee #22 Thus
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. T9 Y" a( [5 t/ G智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:0 l! z- K6 p7 O- k# h' a
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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3 b6 ?% X7 H, H% ^' R- u4 X他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# c! }. P: J2 }, @; `& r" O: m+ n  x

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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9 f/ h" I7 T+ h6 i1 K' Y7 C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:) I0 v6 J+ _9 L2 U0 z

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6 W5 F1 c4 F" p他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 C0 D+ l) f9 u- s1 O

* G2 O3 r: ]6 x6 H' tyes, that's the point.

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