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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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& `6 ~/ \4 g8 \2 e& y# z4 D5 z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

, I( D7 o- v! s/ kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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0 q2 W; g. }" J2 M3 E' `8 _But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:$ [' h( s! w/ U4 V8 G

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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; k. m5 v$ {# \; D其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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/ {( e: A; x# s3 R6 Y) P其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->+ z6 n+ g8 e/ K' \
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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9 ~( [* H: u( i5 w" M  \8 N打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 H5 F) ]. I0 M' Y  m$ |) ~; oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( _, G+ t. z" u' F! X! f& b
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& a! `' M. e5 |+ d: c

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, j) D- g! u/ n. _Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 o; y4 J* a( y8 Z& u他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:7 Z; O+ @' t$ @' L3 U; [) i# b( D% N* ^' R

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( J2 y) D" n- R1 d* s他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......