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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:7 E% @6 J3 B' b) R$ v& U* Q! {5 K
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ ?( v: v8 E1 T0 r# rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ N3 {/ G" G: m
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6 J! h$ @1 t6 RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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( k. {) S  Q( k: J5 j其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( h6 [$ {! l- T9 A5 ]% E# j
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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5 Z3 X( |4 h% E2 e% P2 R智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->  N/ X) u3 |/ F7 p5 i: ?/ y
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維. C: ~0 k! F+ x
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.# S4 S0 j& Q! u9 V
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ Q2 \; p3 u2 _

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* a% a- V( q6 M$ @3 U$ aIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 h* z0 `5 Z8 y2 `

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他比孔明更偉大

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( q/ C+ \. q$ M3 ~0 kAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 \1 g# \6 k% |3 t  e& x3 O
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: }7 [& D: x1 q4 |2 b( U: S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......