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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" R, u* O% x* K7 F& W" S
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:% f& \) I! g2 B; R4 ^
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' `6 R; N- W- I  Q, ?2 OBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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% {! G( b* Y) x: R3 [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- X( W! J" P6 _, E. M$ ~4 b

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$ U* r  J+ J0 d0 M3 I- j7 q- s其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus1 h: N: A& u$ d- d! `3 a

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' M  K1 P7 [7 E( }; w5 o

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ s8 x% @) R2 b/ A" \

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ b& D6 \9 p2 c: x6 ^- f! i4 M" SIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:1 h8 H! L" k5 L( L. f8 Q0 q2 v* P

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. u. v% J2 J3 }" H" G, dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:9 h5 \+ v* |; w8 c

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! z9 r2 a+ T! ^6 G他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:. c& R. H' {0 E/ ~/ k

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......