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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# [) Y$ W- o6 [

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" a* @  o  _4 J* w9 R1 z" u3 b6 p+ n
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- R4 Z2 u/ Z/ S9 I8 r

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus$ H5 o3 }& D- V- ]1 X
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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8 N) x" j, J7 r6 J軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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5 y0 j) h7 z: f3 x- L' X) U/ \打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:/ k9 q. A" P8 U# P* T, v% m6 e
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:# J5 c" X7 }4 m+ F9 E0 z9 \
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  l  _, k6 c# [* X/ B- @4 QAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) H! d& _6 X  b( ?# @- I$ O5 h
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:$ o, R- B% x5 J" Z% q' a) X( M
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yes, that's the point.

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