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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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. M( Z; h# }0 {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( E, q6 W+ r; d% t- x) m, f

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0 b" r) J0 ~9 b) e" P3 aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; q5 j) V0 U7 s+ X
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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7 L2 ?. y2 B% V6 _& Y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; Z# g0 s$ j- h4 K, J
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* J$ G% k: D" B# f6 n3 j1 H% k
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 A  W3 G" L  u& o

$ Z" X- a$ o% k4 k打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
/ e; z1 x- H/ y8 k# _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 h& I0 L1 G( e* j% h6 j6 `; a& k
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他比孔明更偉大

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: W; N4 s7 L( K, ~0 [( cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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5 ?4 C& ?, T2 f2 J7 M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:( h9 u1 p. l- S

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:" I8 l2 M( T% o4 {" s
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......