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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 G# e. I2 ?) |  s
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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5 m/ \: u$ }/ fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# P  P) G2 a) p) C; ^0 i  b% {
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: q8 B* l# A) k9 e$ s. EBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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6 E, \2 s! ?. a5 }; i; m% a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- Y, Y6 t3 @+ v& `# }! S
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# T" j$ i0 ?( z( W- \其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 a/ W5 L+ m2 O# t
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:' F- z" a% `3 p/ Z
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; x! U4 o9 U6 |  yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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$ F0 u; i* }) i% N' P6 M他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2 ]) p4 L+ y, k- E3 D8 c, R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

, h( c1 t6 P1 N7 Pyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ g6 H* c; w3 u2 v- ?- f$ w
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yes, that's the point.

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