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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ _+ ]5 a0 N0 y

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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' h1 f+ R& g1 x+ Q" Y7 Fbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( J' I" `+ m* T; L: f) w! zBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 x6 T/ B0 N. R/ z# Q2 M

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->$ q9 d6 H" w: u7 ~

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.4 k4 C1 r7 y2 S5 }

/ [' w! I( ^3 ]' Y0 @2 Q# o打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ u, G1 V  Q' K( J- [% aIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  h, P$ ~& }$ V: L, m7 H, [他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, \: P1 T7 G1 h9 f

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  C+ j' W0 I0 @6 T7 w' lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:* U5 V1 d* `. `' n. U4 f8 y

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:% }) ~. ?# p- x: f) I( I

% w" p3 N- a" i. P' N! N. d$ w! R" fyes, that's the point.

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