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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:6 Y3 e0 y0 _3 R
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 _' E; V; N: g: {5 y5 a
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 e3 x6 E% i! X9 R; o1 }But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.# e+ {% I4 P- X5 H7 n/ z9 N
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. p3 m! C4 ]% {7 i% J! qBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:  e, D% @* ^# H5 t" Y2 G$ @; O9 D1 E! m
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus7 u" B2 Q* X6 g, W' B

. n# f$ d$ e5 T" `5 a5 F" ]; U- K. U$ q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->$ q; Y) j, u6 P7 W( I) B
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:8 Q# J( K  t+ d: V: e( j1 s) P
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; x6 Q9 R8 S: W. L
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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( d& J' q1 R- ?2 f3 ~Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......