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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 I- t% ]$ ~, n) W% Y- g0 e- M( v
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- L$ K: L  _! z+ ~) `# R

# I3 m; F. v- |( p% C; Qbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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0 q. R# ^" q" [, V- m; fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:1 Y+ y( n) s* ]' P6 p+ M

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7 z' C/ ?6 q3 W" _) F; m$ sBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: r/ W7 q: r, A3 g4 v
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why?
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; E8 g4 I/ y4 a8 b9 p: }3 ^其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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. ~( v0 U$ [4 R! h& ]7 E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.: n) w& T# G& k. M/ G$ m
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:$ @; p8 s0 @# [% j
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:" W- G* V7 P, x, o

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1 |) l0 o- ^4 [) U! Z6 OAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:# `9 M* G4 U& ?$ }/ a7 E
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( H& \0 D2 E$ y" gAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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# |' r1 ?1 d1 n# ]; m& q5 Z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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$ E/ V  a3 \+ t( K) S% b. O6 o他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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