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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 t% y- X$ X$ v% W$ J8 v
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ y4 D+ o. V* J1 D# L2 E* y" K/ a

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:; g8 w9 S# u( R: `
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9 ?9 u# l# p, C: M* @* P* `3 UBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus% e/ |; d+ ?9 V' ]

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:& G! g- v8 V+ J1 f+ @: V
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; q' n9 D# W. b( i1 Y

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:6 |" R2 ^+ q9 s3 D
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$ q4 T+ |2 T4 w9 c+ G1 B3 |  cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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( H! ?, `0 |, K  g! z9 r7 R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# C. I" x5 r* J% f

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# Q4 N# N: z( \1 D
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......