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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:4 @% J" b; c# d" S3 W
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& h. L' T, F, d" S
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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see #22 Thus! w' H5 j) n2 _  v  d* M0 ^
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) ?9 G3 r1 o8 X
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 O+ `/ U; W, Z) b2 |! e  a2 h
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 J; {' J6 C9 L0 t$ b/ r5 j- J
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- S) z5 S2 g$ M0 d8 VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:/ G; y" C; w" N) U( ]' W
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:$ p( H# n9 b9 {
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:( U. {4 ]" t6 F9 u

  R6 K6 \# B! O% Syes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......