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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 J1 f7 y  V6 M& p% w( I: x7 b2 g5 z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& N/ @/ {7 I% [, b( K
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
/ t5 |/ R2 R$ w7 p0 x7 Uso銀行可以不斷放款
8 X  d9 O2 L8 @5 b2 V美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( I" N8 h$ C' X7 P0 D
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mortgage loan - ?$ t% X; E/ f. Z6 m% m9 [
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 `$ o6 t. c; x. I4 {  o
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 m! z% e( F0 _( n# t  }CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 r, v4 s; X4 i7 G! i4 y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( I) e4 c- W- |* b. A# Y4 ?main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* ^2 I! F1 T4 ]in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities., h9 {1 \# \% R; I& U& N- W7 U! b* t
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 ?, _. P# g' O. V6 Dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ |  y6 r' i/ O$ g4 k) |3 Gnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* t7 K4 }# f3 h8 Leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 l/ @( m7 s4 }* Y4 X- Zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( ?0 @/ _. q4 n# J& |! l5 [

8 a) Y0 h& `; N9 h- Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
7 S- c' K/ n4 Gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: Q9 l) h* R4 B' b: F. |" k; TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
& @8 J; A) z# ^A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  [4 U. Z# z, a3 w
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % n0 f( E' n, i
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( }! W8 |6 u  H* S! {0 V7 aRefer to last example,* @  D6 c+ e: b/ Q* M
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 R: t' s5 d4 s% G" M9 ?* `* qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 b, I$ g& R2 G0 c# c9 L+ jtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 D; E* b  D9 Y7 c* M8 q4 x) Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, % G3 s9 W6 _& H5 d5 ]  ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ {6 Z! n- Q2 t& ?! c& T$ C
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4 L2 w; u8 |# Wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
# y, H; N7 g8 O! b' M% P( xin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( s% {9 f$ K5 oit's the problem of the debt itself.
3 X* l- {' c/ Q0 Jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: m: p7 m( o. r4 i/ ?
小弟一直都唔明...
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3 X8 F6 ~8 m5 ~- H  U2 V全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 C8 S( |9 W1 V# D5 a

7 F" `2 {3 ^6 k. f5 g無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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2 ^2 Z1 R& @0 z9 h2 N) f3 N敬請各師兄解答
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1 q  Y" A7 H+ IThanks
5 x$ l* C1 v% R- z; W! E那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ {* P. C. n5 \+ |+ m/ f+ a各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic" A& o6 _9 r3 e" N; ^! F& E) w
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
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於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! X, A8 x! B& [) g$ {% b個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% `9 Z9 |4 R) p; |8 ~
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 a3 F" x0 W0 ?  I' B: V. Z* U計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺% G" A9 \$ `# u) z- ]" d
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( w( h6 z: h: P2 l# M, U+ s. Q同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& s5 {5 G0 b  j6 X& j2 y# i  q/ @
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ x  B& k; N: Q' r: q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 3 _9 N8 f! @7 B" M
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 p; l; u! O* y+ O& ?2 m: k所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, % T- t' y, @% M. P3 N) B
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; ^* ?7 Z, `+ x2 T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ l. ~' J/ w; m呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% u- @! J2 _8 b' M
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 R8 s6 {, `9 g; F9 Z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣* O7 W% g# O# ~) X% E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ r7 c6 k5 w4 ?* F- t分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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( S! b$ A. j* }' l) r' a9 G- _  L再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 q+ N6 ]' o; ~0 ^0 Y9 A! ]$ c
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  \; m$ l1 E8 n
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 F3 [. u8 ^+ Q4 i- L1 \
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# ~4 S0 G* c8 B5 j7 e. f: c- e# B% K
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
' |8 i, a' \. k' t! u9 I: n因為以前未生產, 先消費: @0 @3 W3 T* t. k( @. f
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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