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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% }& t( B5 H% @( F) |1 S7 kWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 E2 S% R+ ^! k2 m3 UI was so confused.....
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+ R) i% Q* `* C8 S% Q9 |0 Q" V講到尾都係賺錢
6 p6 D0 u: ^" A. Q' e$ r$ }so銀行可以不斷放款
  f% h: `, X( c. V美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 H: o% G6 ?9 t) |" W# Y
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mortgage loan
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2 K, k- U) M- L0 @8 ^4 X1 e>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)8 A% M+ a' H! Y- E
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation), R) P/ b7 t- J/ j* z4 W9 Z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ T6 n' l$ }2 {& l4 O' CCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ w% e5 B6 j: e  ]& M$ w* A8 Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 ?* C1 n7 T! b6 C& d/ Q2 B# s
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
4 h' s5 w4 k! T. e9 _0 Z) [in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 [. D  V2 [, L/ @& |% CAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  C* `% Z+ [8 Z. P( b
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 l" z% n- P3 B- j3 H- vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 I' {" U+ m2 \% m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 N, `) Z; B* }1 b. \, g7 m  ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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/ V6 T+ F# G- k5 m8 t' _, f5 ]im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: i/ }! K1 R" l0 e
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
5 Z6 P' \- D( z) `9 bFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% [0 g/ I7 ^' F5 R5 g2 k7 \A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.2 f/ M8 C9 _% R& {: e- v- s2 D
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 r+ H# r8 \! Q6 j- ]9 xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 u% n, P& j2 Z! P, U
Refer to last example,/ _, i: z5 I8 B  o7 Q( D( R
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 Z, \5 \2 @: _( o* r$ JBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * v/ e6 ]2 }+ @: y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  K- D( `, a9 H& sA->B->C->D->E' g5 @3 Q* X% r# f* q7 N# l  f' N
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ Q; o: s4 b" }0 b3 C, q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" x2 s7 N' u3 k1 ~7 e. f8 o0 t
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' H; p1 D, I& }! Mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ }# L( i+ C7 I+ N1 Kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' n+ i3 c  T9 i8 z6 \' z& h8 W6 nit's the problem of the debt itself.9 a& l( z& n" O) y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 }* d9 V! B' a. [; O2 N3 Z
小弟一直都唔明...
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1 k" ?# {4 @, @0 C全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. m3 N  v5 m/ j$ h4 ~
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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  A. H" e; x/ Y, o; k敬請各師兄解答! b" o& _. \' B

9 }- Z( l% f) C8 H7 m% J0 FThanks
, z8 P9 r2 |  t那些根本係 紙上財富  
- u6 a+ `( y( G6 |+ [# J4 @各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! c2 ]% P9 N. X: k$ t; G6 x/ d1 x5 C

  M, S8 E+ V, j( v: B& F& \1 ^http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- y  ?2 x7 B4 g% \, ~) o: M& L5 m
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
8 A3 p% O& T, l1 \1 v於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊) s4 q. c* R- D( B- _
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 r# Z3 j* D, S* @4 l# p前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法. R0 g( B- m# x( e" s! I  ?
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 A5 S0 H' A; m4 w" w. m
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- [& y! }( ?  o# }# B
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 B* n7 ^8 Y- M% h
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" a; r8 n5 w+ J; O3 V! }" [  {
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 I) R, Q" C% y" l# ^1 Q! _3 z* n3 y

" k" b* D' B" o' A你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' G+ P" Y( I# ^1 q1 K  D' o但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" w6 z& y: P: p- T3 |5 v" P" I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % z# \0 T1 N/ ?, v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( X# X5 N3 X5 u
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / v% }" k) L) g9 ~0 ~1 a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  _: m. `) e$ a: T) Z1 F9 L  {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
/ x- u. {/ E3 r) s' \# Q3 j其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
" _1 U! ]" n3 R( b. ]& A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ v+ y# s4 r; h) i  w1 r$ _

4 o7 R8 d. h# W2 B再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; t% @' _1 j" r6 l0 Y2 X連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 s$ I0 N7 i6 T( I' `+ g8 D一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! b; H' T* y' S. q& B, l' w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* F* y: s( O/ c; ^咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 D  E- \6 N8 \+ I1 ~其實係..., v3 C$ E6 t" e1 F8 e9 {0 U3 f2 y
因為以前未生產, 先消費: ^1 q' F1 t; E" ~4 {
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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