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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 k3 C' M5 K( m3 }) v5 o3 m6 {+ _# hWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& g* X0 {) s4 s7 |
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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: I+ w+ ?- E6 L' G4 wmortgage loan
! {2 x4 N9 c$ l* @; r' _! U7 e; L" b>conduit7 j/ a; t# |/ z  R) b
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 _. j, p" I5 K* P
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& g) ~& }7 x' RCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 S: x% y% k' W, z9 p! f
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 a) O) V# x6 m9 Y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" M2 w+ W# A- y5 g- {  ?! e# j- Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; `3 _6 r/ s; I2 }Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 o" U. h! d6 U. o9 s( A
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# h/ q5 ?# v) nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ Q- K" C- b8 Q9 T1 O
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' {2 t- r/ j2 d8 _1 W, D, N% m9 m
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! a1 @7 v& p/ h) ~9 I3 Vin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
- {4 G5 V0 w  c2 J$ wFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( K" [4 T' A: y* N/ R2 y! J$ QA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 _( d; S2 K' p" i6 Z$ I4 ~
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 c/ ]; T1 s: c  Fbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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8 a. t6 u9 F% L$ W" h[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. D! q  f/ I; y* q; |# Z3 ]  k7 tRefer to last example,( m. q' E3 O& D7 g, Y
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / c& f1 I, W0 m
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
, `8 l0 J% I) Q" t" e0 Ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 l( T* s0 b4 C8 R7 xA->B->C->D->E3 a& `, t: M6 D, C# a
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
8 _6 B3 V" j3 mall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 {7 G+ P- \4 p- b' o( C8 d6 V

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5 z5 _( J! M- D' _7 V3 `6 `5 fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
! J. b1 b' M5 @, D. Gin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 @, b  |( _' s4 h: d/ Yit's the problem of the debt itself.
# `- ~- u+ z- |9 ]* A/ Q" \+ Zthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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# Y& o0 R" h  Y" J3 L2 ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 f1 F: ~* G/ O4 ]
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敬請各師兄解答4 q# J, S9 X, ^) M9 L
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. e" m" l4 A* ]1 Hhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) d$ y4 b/ A8 D6 C當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 S% n' Z! L  U4 {( l0 H7 m於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 C: u* `6 E: ?# X; ^8 k個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- [7 I6 |0 m$ K( @5 u
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
5 L) e0 D' I& g. X8 {+ z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* a- x# o7 j  M' \$ B: n3 j  X
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 {4 `/ L3 J( v, E
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' `; C; N( ?* i9 g
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 r" ^+ L3 T$ t8 i% q例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' e7 U1 ^  K3 c0 v8 X8 A; K5 x2 z
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 R6 H: X7 C8 e9 {& j) @7 o
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 j  J/ Y* c$ u9 u5 O9 \% y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' m6 \8 i1 e9 y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 b9 j. ~5 b6 L& ]
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 [; |" x0 p5 A6 b  N3 K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* w  v) J9 ]4 ?/ E6 K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) c( }2 j; g7 U
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! d- M! e& b0 Z9 Y7 E) O; ~6 m
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 b0 _8 g; j+ j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: j8 y) j" ?8 N5 @. ^
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; \1 e$ Y( c- c2 R6 t1 J% g* S正係咁樣
$ n0 W! P0 t8 G2 _% d/ @其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業( P4 T9 }: Q4 ~9 Q* p3 R" c
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- X9 m# {( p( Z) ?5 W. x9 I5 M3 f' f
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) X+ w" R) L, s( K- O連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# E9 c9 h4 u, D  o( {" {  Z$ n! d一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ D! ?1 j3 N# Z1 S. t/ [3 H5 ~9 t編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; _: G& y* e: C8 Y' N: P; H; E咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費# R& l4 S3 r- c. m
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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