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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& J! p4 w8 k0 r8 h
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* ]0 n" V0 c& A+ i
I was so confused.....
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6 z$ e% ^% T& ^% c5 E% p  v講到尾都係賺錢" j5 O% p0 V" Y1 d  X
so銀行可以不斷放款
+ {; B$ M9 C' A/ p- x( U+ A6 h美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 f# h; a: B( r$ J) e* ]- ?; L6 S
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). X; T7 I& l. a, x
>arranger
- J  l" L7 F6 U* b0 @  R. A>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
  [1 I. k; W7 J8 z& m# C1 f最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
: r2 N- t  ~9 C/ Q( E2 t- W' A% FCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- M) p. Y: w# {) V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., F. K; _; C2 B/ F$ I% A
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,0 j/ N9 A5 a0 l3 i
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 J8 j: o/ @0 w, o+ e3 t$ CAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 h5 x# q9 Z1 q. B$ y: m5 Ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 ~8 ^% K$ A( i7 M" K( T
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% r( c3 A1 A$ \! x, P) zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 m4 u% u8 K2 s# A- o0 p
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.. P2 S9 X  ~+ L3 M+ a) ?

" f0 p# I9 o) t1 C5 m: {im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
( Y1 {- @! E2 Z- tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  q  W" W" a; G4 `$ d( ZFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 N- C) b8 F* [: R/ j5 ~4 a
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 y% n) }2 o, k2 E) y4 x. y3 F3 x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 j2 }  a9 M+ d) {& Z" }but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; y3 \, d8 T& Z: r$ }
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 u: ~; k  u/ A; T2 G
Refer to last example,& |# N% T9 x1 Z# u3 |7 ~" ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; D. S6 K. K, P5 l# |. @
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
6 l) k( W* [* H2 ]9 ntherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E8 f; n* |! i  X6 @/ r% u2 P
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, . }' I1 `. D; x7 |7 _$ @* y3 V; m
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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. g( t" p+ Q% ~4 A) z" w5 y$ [$ Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
" S, f! G( i. Q" r; _) g- ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; S+ u2 L& s' R' ~& j2 {& J9 ?+ Y
it's the problem of the debt itself." i% D; f* H+ D3 i6 w* b
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& u1 v# I1 p! u$ t* W小弟一直都唔明...
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4 v4 x  m: q+ `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?8 l7 T! N3 G7 \$ S8 Y7 {

6 @! W4 m1 |1 f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
6 t" d+ ^1 \8 N/ R8 B' v那些根本係 紙上財富  0 t( j9 l" u# b8 F: b; P! X
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產3 j6 `5 l/ ?* K% I( }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 X% W' I' ~) \$ ~) c) u& O於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 E$ j- {* V% O4 Q2 A
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 F. |$ ^0 j) n; D/ ^扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,& s& f( v* Q, x
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺" q. ^4 A9 ?5 h) L* Y9 Q
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 {0 ]3 u9 a  ], a6 S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得+ e4 z) W6 _& x- @6 y3 Y! L
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 A$ o, W  m% ]5 Z/ E
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / s0 q: M' z% k
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%4 F& T$ y+ q6 R, x( Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% J3 l8 T$ g" S

  S# z! p) o; S. [9 D6 G/ V你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 ]2 C& ^0 O, d" j# m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # p1 ]8 K8 ^; k; F0 z# @
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& t9 F# K$ c+ ?8 `- t8 z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, S) L2 d+ w1 @! G
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" |2 r  v: f/ P- q+ n' f9 @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 c% }! e6 u9 I3 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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1 j% e3 o0 b/ a% l( K' V* V正係咁樣
& I& W+ Q; C, A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
: O2 c0 w7 Q0 h$ r! J分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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  @# g% }! M) |+ @, [再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 E% K7 r) e9 d: g$ \4 a; V' T
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 l) n5 h. t! h5 l4 V6 I: s" [$ F一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" e# M2 I# ^& _: s8 p; b編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% S- K9 @$ K! P# }( j咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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3 z* Y* b1 _+ r& w4 }其實係...  a: O" P9 E+ [/ J7 r
因為以前未生產, 先消費( X9 |% J$ w! z& Y# R0 w4 D
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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