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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 H: {) x4 [5 E: w0 sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 A" ?9 R4 `1 C5 `I was so confused.....
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. }8 Z7 H2 E8 A9 e+ A講到尾都係賺錢3 N3 g7 [/ Y; `% i, {/ Z8 t
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 \3 R& `1 P) r6 C; t美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 9 J$ ?5 E$ O8 T7 U* ?
>conduit
- o' q) n/ Y- i>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# }5 x2 Z$ _: Q( h" R+ P( Y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' U4 w+ N* Q9 F! O* u, O
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.% B) h/ D) ?$ {5 q/ ?  O4 ~
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& [, {( {6 d( X4 {, M
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 ]& g3 O( M; i9 e2 i4 k) A7 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." t/ N. S0 v& V9 r7 U
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 W6 Z( x4 o9 B8 _+ s: @
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) V$ @1 J5 Y, _; b
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# _( Z) `3 V0 Q# S. o9 H* Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* L6 X& U5 E7 x& O

+ R! D3 r, E8 q: h5 G5 t- xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) d* C( ?6 D9 z2 u( |7 {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 |. [2 i$ l# hFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 R7 _2 ^$ p* `/ ]7 t0 R/ ?
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! c8 X: u' U+ s4 cThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) ?; [5 F7 J7 q* u5 \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; H. q. I0 ?  f
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  o( |' f* {7 R- ^/ }5 K$ b/ p
Refer to last example,
5 a7 l2 p' B3 W* K$ x4 athat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 |- i; b' t4 j2 i1 j
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % d# i, l. Y+ F( P
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E) p% }* l2 u/ p4 ~8 T4 l' {
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 m( ~7 q$ d* Z& _6 ^( v$ Y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?& `% F, f* s6 @- j) N8 V

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# ?+ z1 W( C& _+ Z9 `2 B( qthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, `8 q2 [0 X$ A5 n9 i+ b9 vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( L( |5 Y( U/ v* xit's the problem of the debt itself.
, y3 Q/ a( t3 s! ^) d& `# ~3 hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ?  k1 W  ^; D* v: R& A* u  W
小弟一直都唔明...* K/ \" ^; ~! N! s
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 D1 k5 M+ j! x& V; o5 G6 W- Y

5 H; I- A1 R. k) L! x無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...5 ^6 X* q! ?4 V: w( D5 p
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敬請各師兄解答* c. C6 V# e1 F! j6 O

' I: A( I. ~, c% E1 IThanks
- O+ e8 N) A6 Y, x: U6 w那些根本係 紙上財富  
% H9 C$ Z: d# a1 @. D3 m4 h各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ I9 w) n) ^6 {

3 `% n5 J6 D. B8 a2 ?& bhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產0 A$ v6 V/ a' {7 D; ~7 X1 @3 |
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 W: z* `3 H% X9 i
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊) u' z8 q" E, S  A* _* [
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 m6 C' F8 @# H9 U. l扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 L6 k. ?, C' O! l
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, n& U: W4 X& N. n) J前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) v7 f5 I# u4 a* X" ~: e( S+ J
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  r& K' e1 s8 z7 U3 b) ?: p( l
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 u1 H4 ^/ k% S0 J! t! N' c
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 p3 ^' |; ?8 Y- X咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%5 ?+ w* M" U- A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; K, t, V* S  z$ K
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 l& n" H1 B' m; o但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, z* H* I2 n4 n0 ]% ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% H0 b9 ^/ W- y8 x: h  }* `" P呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 B4 ]  U" a, M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) n3 J/ `7 ~6 [$ t3 I7 z" Q5 w* u. X6 P
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ [, F" A5 B: v! Q. ]1 f/ J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. l& {; W' {( l6 K* c2 ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! K% g# |) d, @0 f+ K: y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
6 ?) r, z' M  V6 j( a其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ M$ w- Q' }0 L- w- [# |2 S分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- \( K+ u- P  \: L3 i1 q3 q- A連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票7 f7 J9 i. i  J5 b. t$ Y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ u: k7 d& q: Z$ V" W
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ D. j8 d) ]1 z6 N
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
2 o4 M7 a9 J: }, i' o因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 G" a2 j* P( q& T而家就要多生產, 少消費
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