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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 B' u: D" K8 p( N+ P+ m
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ ^# d$ ]( g. @: v7 F- i' y+ qI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
8 M) h$ A0 }# f2 j7 R9 Vso銀行可以不斷放款1 }7 C# J, J( |/ c/ @
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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# T4 u& O2 m8 K2 u- y0 Ymortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return./ Y/ K, b. H- _2 m5 z
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) Y! ]: a7 z9 o3 C
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 M# L1 l3 t6 r0 V" z& U5 O  r7 }5 ]main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  `# L+ m) M) B5 c$ n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities., C) s# p2 Y4 h: V( m2 u4 w; Y1 A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 g: s! q4 c6 h0 q- ?9 E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 W; `  u, c. Cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' S' F% t: l, w0 G3 Seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 L1 v% Y% p4 Rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 u7 h: i+ M, S: j7 |
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  r- J( B: b5 v% i' G$ Q% b& L' Q: B% v
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 E4 w% Z  q% dFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," d2 ]0 g2 D/ T2 U1 @3 b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. M& v& R- k# X# P9 F( l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
. W: q" k- {4 R& _; h( Q5 rbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! S0 R. z" ?" J. Z/ v* [

5 N* ?* ~& n' n2 ~' ]6 ^6 r[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& P& ]" `: N- }! f7 @, p
Refer to last example,) q: C( ^0 q- I( [& o$ ^2 m  F
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. L% K' c, b# s3 f, PBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 e( l$ v" H* S4 W) p% }therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% U% X  f) o* L" pso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 K2 ?& R9 D6 Y4 y$ c  n' U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : T. F1 a; ]; ?! U, ^
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 U8 E1 ?4 _: M& ?& Git's the problem of the debt itself.+ D" w& |" d  G! Q% w/ d9 e' P
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- E6 Y7 |4 e+ l' m' l小弟一直都唔明...$ U* L" N: X7 F2 K' `
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?- D& ^" E, ^; q/ L; `
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 ~! r+ P% o( t- R

# a+ c1 g0 F5 @/ q; I8 ^& e% B; }0 ~敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 _- {" S+ b6 U各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 }' O) E& m2 ]5 b$ @* E
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ d' b. m) K; X$ t
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* Z0 E2 E9 d+ J' G
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: ]4 P/ ~6 C9 b* j% @3 s! R5 D1 |扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 J5 Y9 v8 L8 T; `# O$ ]- H計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' S6 H+ k9 T9 A7 ]8 w4 y- [8 s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
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/ N$ j; p: f% a: ?) n2 C3 Y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺5 e8 t+ h# z! W8 v; ^$ U
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ( k. u- i1 t: V' l! F
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
( x* p& G+ f- \: z/ M! p0 G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 d/ o  j( g! o& R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- ^8 N/ D2 c  O  K5 D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 P7 E' A* X* p6 e* u% T3 Y0 ?; ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 z5 M6 G! d+ b3 ^3 k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 ]/ T1 Z  G8 u& I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . U$ L# n* c0 d; {' \* K+ U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣) O2 M9 \5 L1 s+ p0 z" \
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; Z9 t" O! T* v3 a1 n) L) C連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- u$ n5 _: g8 r8 V5 v- C
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% K3 A5 [; E, I% k+ ~編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 @  U9 ^3 }. a4 L  v  Z7 ?; j
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 ]7 r7 f. G# m其實係...
, D& B. ~* T* d* @8 w4 j. q因為以前未生產, 先消費
" q0 d5 l3 J& g* p/ Y+ H; U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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