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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& F( \0 v; i/ [% m
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ M* q6 x, k5 K
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 e) p$ g' q- a% X' X6 gso銀行可以不斷放款+ \0 ]$ ]6 H/ j3 x8 B' ^
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界+ t/ y  f1 s5 a, M5 f. o

; w  s  w7 ?% P! y/ ^mortgage loan ! I- C# \2 s; _
>conduit
1 T( L8 g9 g; K  {5 ^>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 T' f+ j7 o; v; B1 A6 o
>arranger
2 i5 S) c5 r: P>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation). U' K4 j+ d, t; X8 A0 Z
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* I" B; u9 U2 {4 ~9 d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  }$ G# {: b* kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 Z% G0 Q% n  Lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 B  Y+ }4 r) U" N7 s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 o) r3 Y; c' i4 u1 q+ S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 [: p; g2 e; ?# s4 m) xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ s# g: V% r% `normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# A8 W% r; B+ n4 d: g9 ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 X' s% K# S' Q# Z2 j+ t+ Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ c* G, B& R8 |, b+ N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
) k! @0 x8 v" T+ f: _5 W/ bFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! [9 I% i, B, T8 O) _A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% W# d' `( Z% I" {: O7 \
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " Q+ r( l3 R2 [/ P3 U( g/ P' g
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# u$ m  b% X3 L

! \! S1 X* v1 T: x- s& B[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& K- r$ B" ?! C2 T" }" IRefer to last example,9 V8 Q6 ~5 L- T" j% w& o
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
& N; _5 }% q& D2 ~4 V& I+ ~Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 x+ w8 n  j+ A" m) n9 W- F! S6 ^( R, etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E  ^# A, F% U- Z) s( \1 J
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
" k* g, D, x0 n3 Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 J3 @- {' K1 y; ^it's the problem of the debt itself.
. g& r, T2 S/ T( ~+ ^% a" P4 Tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 u8 ^; V2 H# Y) q
小弟一直都唔明...* D8 y. }& p/ w  P+ }* K

. Q5 y2 G  ?" c全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& d* R: p' d6 G- w' f7 j3 ^; }

) h1 U! u) `2 a無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 x6 Y* t# n- R

9 \4 I5 T# P8 p2 e: Y; ], n3 }敬請各師兄解答# K0 C1 F2 N2 b* B2 r. e0 c
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Thanks
6 ]* c/ Y# x! v- C. @那些根本係 紙上財富    y# ~6 k/ l5 @, J" c
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 p' C- ~$ Y+ g: Q' P當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  H# V8 K( W2 v2 X% S" s  h
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 h! D" v: ^" T. E1 r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
8 g8 w6 {) o0 `! U+ @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  X0 o0 L: Y0 S. E* U
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 s' z7 \5 }, R8 C6 \
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ z1 x8 ^' V" f
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得+ \2 Z" s" {8 X- w. l- [
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& Q; Q, A) h7 X& c& o/ n+ O9 P8 e
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, $ ]5 I- d6 B' A% ]- H4 s" ^- ^
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; l, W# _- N, {6 O- p; Q
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * j8 r$ E0 a4 c4 I/ K1 ?8 l
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" Z* ?% w# I% x4 z7 r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 ^- o# K# I- g+ ^/ K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 V' Y  ?3 ^- y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 m  j* {: y4 e" R6 C% D
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; q; ]$ G  i$ O, B6 S& F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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: L" r/ m: @* _( x1 B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% o- B1 u" J8 g% n4 h- O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# T' g' |# o! h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' ?/ U7 q! a) w0 ^' j

6 A+ p& K8 M9 m+ u  x8 I0 {* {再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 r  O+ D! Y! U6 {4 I7 g) H連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; k5 O* j5 n6 Y. h一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 E: d1 ^2 n& f0 r; j% B( T5 R編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 B/ g9 i9 T9 l% o3 a
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費1 X) m2 t/ F0 h
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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