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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 N% O2 B9 Q2 ~/ d. r
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& E$ Q* R2 W: JI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢0 t- `( O6 f! H1 P/ I2 F" @
so銀行可以不斷放款. S, a4 w1 F1 ~0 A6 z1 g
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 N5 z) E' b( m3 _$ c0 O6 O  P
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mortgage loan
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& \1 `; V4 N5 S6 r* k>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' x1 W: o6 u$ L1 d( ?3 _  a/ o* s( C
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.6 {6 T, G' A9 l8 t5 Y7 v& _+ H
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 W) v- ~# Q* T7 w' _
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% i* g: K6 d4 A5 a+ K" Hmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. a" e4 X2 z% d4 K
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( t( q+ K2 z% h" b
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( u4 r4 ?& Y. W& }4 P) L; T
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 k  O& z5 o+ f7 wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; O. K* g, o- x" V$ Peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 \, ~$ R9 c6 w/ V$ Gbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 D8 k9 z: ], }- v: A/ F
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) ~; T, [, g. |2 l9 }# i+ ^
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- m% V! \, t% ]" g6 D% q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 [9 ~" p2 I% A% E1 e1 |; G( }- l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
5 R' k  ^8 z$ I$ L5 W; ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 v5 i' @) n& |5 G$ |; `Refer to last example,% f( Z0 L( d- s1 r6 q4 |' {
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 n- x) p% y, B/ U
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / }  H* Q  t& ~5 [, e' D$ x/ B
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
" I- b% }# n" |( P0 G$ Uso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 E* Y3 y( y) _8 Y8 p. i: Lall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 n% l; ]) Q/ ?7 J* \/ T
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9 P% k$ b, v4 d: z, jthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' p1 s/ X: R9 y% L. \in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' p' Y/ ]8 V: u& Dit's the problem of the debt itself.$ K& X% ^/ Q1 D* I& Q
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ E7 P7 I3 u2 Q+ W* Y0 L2 G小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 T3 |# q; C; h7 Z3 u
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 ]7 b5 f! V8 [& m

8 m+ n% r$ K" |# S( h) \敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 c! T7 H) _/ E# C6 m7 H  b各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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  L$ M4 K% c; m# @2 Khttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
& V& D# e9 l. T  v* I# _當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 X7 Y) F5 @# u  i& \
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 C6 e0 }4 Z& s6 \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* e9 g5 {( @  d
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* J2 v; i; J3 ]: q% d0 n" i! [* y計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( h' o/ Y( I. U" q1 Y9 E
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
$ m. |8 i( o; n9 y! O+ I同埋個市場既前境要係好先得( M) M* L. N7 b3 s* @
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% F7 G4 G& Z9 m/ e1 X
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% D, n- b$ q  q( X  M" d

4 {, G6 b8 k' W$ u+ g/ i( @" E你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , L. ?) H7 D% U) v5 b9 N
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ {8 d* G5 R! c1 p, g7 r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 w5 F3 z% _. c* K4 U# F% g( B& b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
/ }8 @4 h" i0 f+ f咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" M% B3 M* {7 f* a
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ o, ^' ~* e! f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + T; T/ \. y7 @4 x
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
, C) D; N; O7 p( i咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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! N0 O( l; A$ t6 T正係咁樣
: U- ]! U' F  M其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 q' Z4 Q; f: T  k5 i, Z$ `分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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2 B, v. P1 y6 n4 _: U再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  m8 z+ I' J! u, ^
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 g3 @$ }3 _6 @% z/ ^一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; q+ M. z0 M+ g) I6 _編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 w3 B/ r4 I4 V8 k
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...7 e; [: h* q  `: P/ L; w
因為以前未生產, 先消費
; Z! X3 @9 ^0 F7 F+ V$ n- M而家就要多生產, 少消費
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