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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# W% q. r5 l) y" ]" k* jWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
/ C4 R: [% B' h2 j4 `/ pI was so confused.....
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5 U% V6 @# d( W$ b, ^9 z0 |. j講到尾都係賺錢
6 j3 ]3 o! L& lso銀行可以不斷放款
8 P. W4 O/ I: @6 h美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan # q, T9 g: I2 |" h. \; Y: g: T0 O  a
>conduit9 U2 i) h( l7 {5 b1 x
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; Q, I. r, W1 E, ]8 w
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
1 B. m6 l( Y& Imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! N3 |! z+ N1 h; h( `0 E1 qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ l' x8 P9 G  J+ l7 s1 P; }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 b: Q5 K0 v& z9 ?# [" m% T( Y
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% f) s0 p! z- N0 a2 {4 @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 |2 J1 o4 y+ R9 N# snormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 w1 b1 k& f, n* U7 w9 t4 a
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 d. a7 B0 \/ \% @  K7 x) d; l0 kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 K  O$ {% O5 H1 o0 y8 x
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 `3 Q2 C( h. T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# Y0 P( d1 q. x) ]1 W4 J* uFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! R) b3 J7 c  [4 ~& I# ~A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ F+ e9 ^# `. q5 v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 Z( U% P. N* }! C' K* p8 |3 u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 d5 P0 `  f; P: Z
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( [% u. G2 `3 R8 Y/ W
Refer to last example,
2 ~$ K# \% l0 }+ C' |: [% b' H/ F2 Mthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( R& i3 N, O3 d% R/ \+ \Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ ^5 r, C% X' ~therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E7 g5 P, J9 j% E( k' e
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 r0 s/ M! k: E6 _! Z
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 e6 m( \% ]$ C$ @
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* W# z% O7 C8 R( _  _' ~- z% N+ Xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 C8 c% h% D/ c% p
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; I2 ]5 E: f3 `
it's the problem of the debt itself.
* T. Q: {" z% G; C0 O: v  Rthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; F. G3 D1 y$ q, S
小弟一直都唔明...
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4 i* `+ f! H* D# y$ ]4 s$ G全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& l/ n% o- ?6 f% I+ [
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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1 h' e* V& a' e% x. i1 P! \3 H敬請各師兄解答
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+ }7 u- p8 o# J+ N8 F- A! Y: |# b; ZThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * R5 ]1 U  J; L  K9 k1 e$ |8 z6 M8 @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! M6 b/ }% p+ ]# x4 a  x
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( m5 @4 b. J+ ?7 Y2 i* T. A
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: a; O. @. }1 q2 P
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
, K9 Z& j0 o3 Q個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 b! ]4 ]% O8 {0 H1 M2 }- w扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  t" T/ F4 U5 |6 C6 t1 x: }7 g
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) a* a2 C  b+ \2 \" _前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 j0 [$ R6 O& L5 K  g5 h; p同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* }$ e8 c$ J1 l1 ], \
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 P, L( u4 t! W+ L0 |3 l) q例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& ?7 t" \, {- {! M% O$ }& A咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 O( c7 Y9 t- W& N. d4 _  q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 `" R2 O$ z5 l# S! E& ]# V

5 m; Z& q- Q! K" U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 c' U8 I1 d& g) j: E2 L4 q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % g% X1 }# e- ^5 f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! S7 `- q% J6 k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' w: k$ l$ W8 d& L7 F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' F) |& b$ ?$ D* x
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 n+ J/ n4 Q3 g. x# A; S( Z, `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ m6 u3 a0 B$ N+ p5 R" G
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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+ i7 R' @& O9 i正係咁樣
% M, X1 d' J, a/ `" k7 u$ j其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業& E8 A6 }. q# |% Z  c" k# o
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" T$ S+ k( q& K) f8 I6 N再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 p/ J1 b' `) x3 u( g: R% u: Y: ]連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( ]7 f: n0 l2 |; p3 H
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# \& w' C$ C" ?- r
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! P% g& R3 y1 ]
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...7 E9 G6 \' H7 R) C0 I0 u, Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 J. u3 E! @' j$ g而家就要多生產, 少消費
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