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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; u( e' d; U5 [4 @! D% j  VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???* O. _- k6 J/ [# I$ Q( Y1 {1 @
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
+ ?; Q+ ]7 F- [3 W; O) }so銀行可以不斷放款8 W! v) y( I6 e% i9 z! x
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 m" t7 M4 j6 F! t# @; gmortgage loan ; R% V* R4 i2 }0 K
>conduit
/ Q0 c8 o0 P- X+ ?1 x4 y>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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) y, z8 }" w7 @# `4 b; g8 n8 w6 d- K* ]more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# s$ t4 V3 p6 ]" f7 Q8 n  M$ B
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ u/ O( T2 x/ K, n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# \8 C1 `) b9 }; u9 b  v
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& i0 X5 E+ y2 p$ b  n4 G
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," ^3 S7 @3 D. N3 p
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& w) Y+ r- D! u, @/ Weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / x# s' J- o" K' w8 X1 Y4 X
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
7 o$ s: M0 H/ r8 f+ Bin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  a" ^: m, a) W& ]% V  ]6 ]' T) v+ }For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. u! H- u+ n9 M, m. d
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# }; l2 ?- `1 m% I" j3 b1 NThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ U& ]' f# U8 c3 H# wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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* @3 r' p( `# Z) D+ G[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ v% {0 o. M) l8 h: w. E( W6 cRefer to last example,5 B& g# k8 i  C
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A . d# F5 c$ n8 W; y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- ^- ^4 R9 J4 h& p6 L- }therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
3 P% a$ r9 b* k: [$ wso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 s1 P' `2 U. ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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1 J  [* N5 Y+ J, _; D5 P+ h% gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 F# N/ }: c9 {( i* D  Iin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
; e1 U" u+ W7 ait's the problem of the debt itself.; W0 |7 b3 U+ O8 k
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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5 {# `, \' Z1 I, @$ O" A全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; L9 g# T9 V. `+ z
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* }! L- r4 K' `( `2 h# |

- w" z: r+ `6 f8 U敬請各師兄解答7 j# |+ R; ]) J, d6 h; Y0 z

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7 A* a6 ]: J2 l# p' w# g/ I# x那些根本係 紙上財富  
" i$ Y$ o9 v, D6 Y4 c各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: B! ^. ?- [/ Z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& [- s" P4 F6 z: S8 @. s( Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 I4 r: r+ |! j( U6 t+ S個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 Y% c) N9 C- z2 M" R0 u
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
6 j% u! S/ C! @8 K. |計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, y# g5 b( Y$ C: X6 D9 P! C前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# m3 Y2 L7 q& L
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' i" I/ @7 d7 w3 e+ C8 H但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* M3 Q+ o( K9 q+ v  H( p( [- K例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 @9 C) T: m0 D! o& D
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 _2 l6 s' E3 B4 s% `) x所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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$ x( B0 p" d5 [5 W( ]# b- l4 _% J你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . A: M, ~9 _1 s- T% Y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# e1 i0 N, C' V* e2 i) t/ R1 I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & D4 z4 Z9 I7 {; O  z; k
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ @, }; a5 w0 c& a1 [3 z唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 X  c; r' o' [1 M$ R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + d' C! I* S6 _' s. h- ?" w% N/ j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
3 l9 X& M% E* F  A+ s8 i其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; M+ i, m6 |- c# z9 b
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 }8 K+ C2 Y& C" }# {( q/ ]! j一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! E% Q4 d' X. {7 u" D* c: M$ v% P編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 V* t. f& u. a# P+ Q9 ?: r咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... H4 Q) y6 T6 ?  l- v
因為以前未生產, 先消費& L5 P5 |" q( n  W
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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