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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 n3 I1 K) W, B; t0 f- c2 r' z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" f: L! q' C2 t/ }" d; L
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢" m* Z0 J2 J( I1 U& B, c) _$ k1 N
so銀行可以不斷放款6 V$ V& r0 E, d# w; I
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 L( l5 o: T) ~7 }' |' @3 m( m

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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' c7 V. [( S8 M>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation), S8 F$ E- Q, D: e- D1 {* R
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' d0 }7 Y9 ]" d. r5 j, VCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ E) |# p. r7 U6 q" e$ {more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; B/ |/ W0 f; f9 K" [  rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
4 f% y# j( }6 Q5 a$ hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ R+ z# Y$ L; |7 W# T% XAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 R! Q' G/ C2 _" f, w' p" Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
& {  X5 E& @( o2 Unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 y, G: V* p+ I1 a( b1 s3 H' z6 _8 R; Zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 b' q- ?$ E) m/ J0 m' k* Mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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/ X' i, X' y+ y+ k# _8 Xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' M! o5 b$ ~9 z- U6 r  i
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
5 D$ l+ A6 ~6 \4 y* |2 d: CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" _1 R& y4 J6 r: AA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 O3 x( r8 Y/ A$ b: pThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
3 \9 @9 m0 O0 Wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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) W6 b9 Z! W+ H- I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" j9 s# K/ D5 U0 |/ mRefer to last example,
( u6 Q5 A" I1 q2 \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 d$ a* }7 M; [( [( BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , x2 T- I( [! w+ k/ a
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
  [! d; O' m- p5 a* `so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 @: V$ O' Q, ~$ ^3 u
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- o0 K( w* x2 E" ?9 Z

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ s7 r8 g2 n) \7 b3 Tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " D5 E1 r! m/ b/ H
it's the problem of the debt itself.
4 z2 C6 @& j( r* k: Lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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# X) @9 t$ b+ m  s+ {4 q7 S全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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/ [$ Q! P% K% @% D9 t  @無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ o  G8 V2 N+ `- d

" B$ f' r) x) `  q敬請各師兄解答7 m6 [, S8 B5 `- C

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那些根本係 紙上財富  9 g5 y6 M9 ^6 M' f7 I
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* v' R  e: ?$ l- o
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, B/ l+ R2 l, ]; o1 I1 m# Y. J
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 d  I3 O' k! v: n
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. Q& V" r* _: z9 \" a
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% d+ u4 |( Q; v4 W2 l
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 Q2 \3 p1 a& Z' g計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 d1 d: I: ~" W: B
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# z! n1 \( t9 z: x同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' Z3 U6 ^7 Q+ X8 W7 w/ e2 H6 |但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺; z4 j" J/ h4 b# q( `; O
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" Y$ c) M" _( X' O9 z咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 h( ]% V$ Z2 u7 U$ I
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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7 `( a) b& \, x# c9 c9 Y你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# L; f# f  C9 ?3 w. y' I, ?. |4 Z但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 u: Q5 v9 N, O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , {3 x( N& A) ]4 M: N4 g
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ v+ Z* o1 ?( C5 I% j
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) U& ?" M& \  S4 f
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . i* h  ]8 j: G6 m) t; |- C+ E
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 E0 n  ~+ Y! h! Y/ U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣% @! o& a: l% \' s9 c7 I( c
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 Z( k2 o& G8 @, L7 W7 I分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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! G. J* Q4 H" P" F- ^$ P& d再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% Z3 p4 \% j/ o7 n8 e' f連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 m  \. X1 A( l* x4 E# N4 f( }一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, E5 C! G% D( |8 f- S編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' t% D2 y* O7 C' [0 l6 B咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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# N, q$ v" J# c- p( n其實係...
) ]9 M- H6 Y7 U, A2 b, h# a因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 L( s3 x, N% Q. S( h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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