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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 X' H3 t0 e5 U6 B
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
- y8 b( v3 `; B, T6 mI was so confused.....
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5 M6 Q, O( s  Q6 f& I0 i講到尾都係賺錢
: C. k8 F- V/ L* T( p  O! n) wso銀行可以不斷放款
2 q6 J& p  q# a* \' e美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! h# c$ g: z0 N9 [& Imortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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: |; E- z* l, |" ?>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
. f, u3 T% O6 e* V9 ^: x最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( t' M$ s$ i; b
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- D4 Z2 \' F/ M; E: i& U
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 C/ p: K- v: K" c- \, Q( u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 o: c' m; w* s* K3 f
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 u8 \2 T# Q' U, B- p- EAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% L  ^: b# k' {, Y% j8 z1 E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
+ j6 t) z9 Y9 `' _! Anormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' ]: J! v& b) {! beg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 ]) j, j) z# @1 K, A" Rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% V+ C2 R6 b/ y. kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& U$ Z6 h( O( e* w1 L- T9 YFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 D2 O6 \) Y3 E' U; G' Y4 w
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
0 T+ F# q: y  d  qThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 0 l( ?+ m- {- q8 Z8 Y, u0 w5 x2 r
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 g0 O; H, U" p, O; j

6 Y1 k* c0 a: H& ?1 P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# s. H6 M8 B: x5 X
Refer to last example,
8 J/ N. @4 y# ]4 S( N5 ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 `! W; d0 C6 K+ d- h
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# p: h9 E! x& Z, \" F* B8 i( V, Etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
) _" V0 Z! x4 X9 Gso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' U- O' z5 V9 W- P5 s/ [- P2 B+ G
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 y4 b) C; {8 \; A& z

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" J- p& H  \0 h. ~! Jthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, W3 U! |+ w$ I2 Z; qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ |* ^5 [7 @9 ?- M* r: I( M
it's the problem of the debt itself.  ]) e! m+ C! E( g7 O' Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ o9 \3 @! q% N- R3 ^
小弟一直都唔明...: s5 o$ E0 X: a; G5 h8 F

  p8 o; m* j( z: f2 {' v) J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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& W8 T% a# y$ e: c3 e& z/ @敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 t% H  d8 i+ P各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ S! K# d- D8 Z
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# g- s! ^7 h) U當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 Q: v0 v+ S( c1 B& m$ E. L於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊- k& r$ Z/ F; C7 p' F% N' Q% h, B
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 j9 i! @" R$ ~; [扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* w1 t, h; v5 v計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺$ E+ h# L# ^3 X
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* r9 Q# w! |) f* `4 O5 V8 ^' b2 i7 c同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
% Y1 B, ]1 _# _. e$ r但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ [0 Y- }/ T% G. f0 K例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, r: n9 U; w/ n咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
, k/ j7 o7 C6 Y. A; u8 \8 `" }1 C所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 S6 S; A. i2 n* V5 f7 i" }8 r
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  ?* t' N$ H- D* r6 b但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 O  R, |* [5 z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / K- a* @) \  o
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  f3 ?4 E$ [8 I& f0 `
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; i1 T& E2 a$ `: V
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , [' }8 Z/ u) H6 J5 T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; J' d* I( S2 e& t" a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( F% i: A2 d! Q; g
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
4 h8 f& r( r. n9 J0 A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: q' P9 Z7 r9 @
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% ?9 n2 v3 E9 r$ Y6 Z1 D
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
4 B- Y; W& D* c% R- D2 j$ s連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 R: m) ~+ ?/ E+ X0 s7 o/ L  M
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ L& ~7 t; v3 S9 ]編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: S# k* D8 {/ o8 S; i6 K: X咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( d/ H% m3 y/ y# y1 t2 `$ ~6 w% E因為以前未生產, 先消費  f- f6 S& d( h3 \
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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