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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& d( @) O/ v, V( I
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; v1 n, W* J% ZI was so confused.....
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' M+ D) ~; M' V) W8 q講到尾都係賺錢9 T* y! F% ^  q: i" f
so銀行可以不斷放款- M0 n6 P7 U7 Q) Y5 |' w2 X
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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6 p+ @. y% H9 e- X: W( O' Q( F>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities), ?8 ~5 I, y3 a& q
>arranger
! [! ^# T: h; ?0 C7 N, N  e>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 ?) {$ G) b7 d, H
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* c# M/ y  t" L6 s
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
# U5 F  u) t; rmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." `1 `4 @. j& k$ T; P. b/ c
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
& O( W1 Z4 L; w; {7 q3 H, Hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! C5 n3 p( i8 j3 I, E4 a; C( O
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 |$ P6 v$ n7 Z% f- nsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 D4 j- Y" q# `, t2 Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & T: t1 N* |  s0 Q# ?. t% ~
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 j$ B3 w- V( j* J8 H1 v- w
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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2 }" S# i; W0 ~9 m) I+ w3 ?6 q; e# nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 Z8 g- o$ f: f  H* P2 u
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 [1 {7 b4 [: k( u8 A) P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# A  x% ]' D! Z* T9 U+ Y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& i, G+ L# H( ]The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 A3 ], m' _9 x" lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly., j. _4 I6 Z, U% S5 q9 i

: U/ T* U, Z; a7 W" i) G[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! Y" N, h- \( X: k7 m
Refer to last example,
) m4 I' l/ l( Y' f! z% n7 Othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 X# b4 ]% ~" [& G9 q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
, W( V& U1 x8 A3 N" Dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , B  ]! Y( s- h2 B1 N
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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6 ]9 }7 h5 }# \, Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' M$ `' s4 F6 \. N$ q) i
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 @. b% N3 M$ P6 j( Y4 `it's the problem of the debt itself.3 y5 g, @3 _; s/ H4 D1 Q+ Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) C8 ]" a2 m) Y& F" T4 y+ r! d小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% Z$ Z* c; v' `# {, i! f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 [2 P7 o& f6 O1 S

5 c' H$ l( Z. Q: L0 c敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
: M. Y- U3 F) r# b6 g1 P2 S那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ i1 i8 T0 C, O6 |* m6 S: @各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. ]1 X% h- i  j6 q2 X" a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ g& Y9 ]* n7 ~
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, {8 g( V; O% M! M5 G! V
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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0 d/ m! z% i& ]! y3 ]計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 [8 z% q+ N4 Q1 K+ l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# g8 x7 m! ~6 ?- D" Z  H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" z) n4 y/ V5 b8 w' ~, N3 R但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺0 I$ f1 I8 K$ d$ z8 a4 H
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; X; |. F; M/ }8 ?4 S" S" x7 A! ~
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ I+ _! V- [; _$ y4 p所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 {# e' k2 H/ O  {: ]# F# `7 C

. u0 G- g" |' \) b; c; [  |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 R! x! |) j3 m! u: U* i# m1 G  p但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# `# c0 M9 w' {( }9 `' h) B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ O/ e! W( d5 d  b+ ]& ]呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 ?# d+ T! Y/ ]4 v
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 h. Z1 Z' p' B4 D8 v唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " _. Y3 n. g0 l2 {& Z+ }5 u& J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 L1 r8 P6 o* I0 z- h( W1 X1 w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 h' Z7 ~9 J, z7 R咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 \2 ^9 F. l9 ]5 l正係咁樣
0 O) d" o: c; l* `; l# w* N/ Y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# Z! J% L5 B6 G& h* k
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 z/ f+ T6 \1 ]8 u" L
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票7 `' Y# j! {* @' A% [
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 I% u' P. B2 g% S- i8 s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# W1 N! K2 _6 k5 [, O1 {& T, G咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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. D8 m3 ]7 V! P4 ?其實係...
& m% ~: u* A0 e7 \' G因為以前未生產, 先消費+ V& ^* U" J* _9 N5 Y3 R$ B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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