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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, B# t0 m  U2 V8 {* ]Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ b2 R3 B3 m% D' O0 ~I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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) ]5 _( B, \# l' }美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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/ }$ Y/ i, Y4 X: i' I4 v! f/ Smortgage loan , g  X) R/ R/ d) F* H
>conduit
/ w7 b' b; U3 h>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ ]) `- Y+ U2 [
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# R0 I/ N- U# D$ o
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- y; _/ W6 g6 U' J: ]5 F0 K
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 `6 ?7 W. o' W1 M# |5 C3 h6 u4 k
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
& r; X1 ?' E& _5 S* B  \. P3 |' c- tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 d' }+ j) a  ^! U2 H* @1 ?
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: A2 ~. K/ B2 m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,: U- v  r* B7 I, A9 \* O+ Z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & _: W( s+ E7 O2 @& f
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 ?: ^. o2 Y4 V1 k; [  rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" p3 r5 d( N7 Q1 A5 K5 jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 g9 r) F4 i" @7 Z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 @% \9 J, z+ h; v  v. g) H) bFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* F0 {; I7 `) Q* U) W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: h. ~5 h2 Z2 J2 GThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : z) ^6 k8 a: ]; l! y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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, c0 Y4 ^( A3 A- z5 J2 w- @! y0 |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; O3 o1 y. s( L
Refer to last example,
: `6 F" F8 J, J" S- r1 Cthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# p& m5 ]0 X- }: S% t7 ABecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( X+ g& c! D$ X, M" L
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ Q' b9 n) m) pA->B->C->D->E/ J  E9 [/ Q: s- z  [
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " e: F7 S. L$ e7 @- ?/ _- C
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, # r( T" b  A  W# d( y- v! I) M% b
it's the problem of the debt itself.
" \/ J& j) W! cthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 L( Q1 X+ A# f6 U7 m無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
  q& ]; J+ e! o0 V3 Z  c3 V那些根本係 紙上財富  
- _, Y. O" @4 l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* g& P2 W* {8 y
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 B3 T4 I5 x/ j% B6 x
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 e8 f6 \$ \4 `& C: p# G! T
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 S7 l8 X1 W! j1 K% W& V" _' U  D
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
7 p( B2 b9 A( Q+ J扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' ^, a( W% R/ C2 L& `: z4 b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. S8 h% C* E- _前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 O1 P" q7 ?3 O9 }% [8 ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 I% z# u2 S; R/ g( s5 N4 Y6 E2 D但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' R& F" ~* p2 S; v
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # g6 l7 X9 s# a/ V9 d5 }
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  v) A6 k/ Y0 k0 H4 P) K所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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& {$ B/ z( b8 ^: S8 o3 [- T+ a你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# R5 }8 z8 J, b" F但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 D8 l  ?; ?, w! r, R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 I$ ]/ j! r; m, [3 E呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' g  Z9 s0 o& t: }0 v2 H5 Q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 u9 F. A2 g/ w" Z" D8 j
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; a/ Q/ H! r# X+ D
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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% Z7 q7 K5 s4 T咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
1 {- V) |7 Z2 E4 I! K) Q其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- d- q7 k" N' R連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( K. \) Z0 k) s! [
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ _8 N5 G+ R! X: O1 Z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) ?% V( G: Y& S+ Q% S1 h9 U3 f咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...  b' G8 V# N1 q4 u9 X( S: F
因為以前未生產, 先消費
' H$ b( d& w# U# Z" ~+ ^- v而家就要多生產, 少消費
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