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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 n" E9 |" t* G; }, Q9 D7 YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) j0 [1 n7 U3 fI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢: P! o0 b+ i7 V  N7 q8 E
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 [. o' v- [7 M1 A; L* b美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 R$ z( |& T& ~4 |  Gmortgage loan
+ r2 x0 _- v7 Z. U% \( W>conduit, L1 O7 F" I8 n
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). x7 n  N# d" m7 |0 M
>arranger
1 u( k. {9 P" L>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 j6 P! O# }4 w4 A" b# f0 H# u
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: Z, N# x7 ^3 e3 ?0 S" A- y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
( E, C: a' p! Q7 u8 z9 W7 Amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 u3 g# a  S8 }$ E3 F; t1 F# qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* x6 X, q% Q. G1 z  T
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; L2 J* h0 _' QAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 w0 j! x% T; B! C! v- `4 ^: [
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," a. q+ C% m/ ?- M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 F2 v5 j2 i+ c0 n7 g' ?& t6 J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * H8 A/ i. W7 t; }' u. b: J: v
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 z+ v/ O9 P% _6 ?
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( `$ R, h; M3 V
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ O2 e6 z$ l5 dFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,1 }" C$ r& u, g* a4 F+ S
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 B4 T0 l" F3 w( X1 E3 l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , ?4 F; s( Z6 `% Z9 d9 j/ ?
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ s: @  J( V7 W, I# z

8 R/ x6 Y, a* w' q1 s7 R3 r[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 Z/ Q0 B$ x+ C$ a% `Refer to last example,
) ?" M+ [2 d6 R, b6 A0 P3 rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
6 E! L7 t/ _. H( }: v9 c( G! n" V/ `Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 G' F& V! T) S8 f6 ~/ I. Xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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5 u: {" d. a: H7 [. ?* ~A->B->C->D->E' N" g% |+ m, b( N1 h1 t
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, & ^: [# U* E6 E1 g9 U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 A6 \4 w5 W3 ]) O% h% n

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7 A; c) F% v4 }! |4 t9 B* ?) Dthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 ~# ~- s- Z& Min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ) r% C3 A/ R% }+ d
it's the problem of the debt itself.1 Q  `: A  @  o( ]
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) H  F) R* M: l5 Z- W小弟一直都唔明...
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* Z' c' ]- h8 u5 m. n3 z全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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. X1 H7 }3 k# g  f: u1 x" }無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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! L! e0 V* ?" A, ]  N4 z3 @% l5 XThanks
6 u- C8 O. d/ `( p3 R" E, `那些根本係 紙上財富  9 d# D/ G1 x. `. m7 U* X
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( U2 N4 U4 D3 t
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( T1 @! R, b% H* |( T
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ H+ X! e6 V; ?% k% c
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 u1 G2 P$ `! M3 x7 c4 q* y; E4 n
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
" E" s3 Q. Q  o0 [% A  @  @計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 B) V, n$ j$ X' z8 @
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 T5 S( k0 |& S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ `+ d' A9 i# P& b: @. g/ Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
2 I6 `) F( m" n例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, _* z8 K, F' }" g8 T- D: Z咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 x) d' A. [8 a3 _9 y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁4 b+ p, i  ?  Z+ e' p

( @! n5 T) M, h" Q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 D( j( w, [) Y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 E  N9 }$ D, s6 k淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& Q* Y4 S% y! t) h$ w; }呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 c* i9 f: C( j- Z/ I( g咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( M2 N. m3 d# P# t0 B/ t
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 A: @/ H5 J, d4 o1 h) O" K) g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 b5 N% o* p( Z: V% [
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, l# D  U. Z5 i  C& C
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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( R- C" p. B- N$ M8 k1 [其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# ]6 q/ J! X& ?! q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% M" [9 L8 }4 U% i. K: X) m
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,8 P/ o5 z1 k2 q6 v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, w  L2 E" Q/ p9 S) k  u
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; }$ X: U. j! |5 v編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 f% `' J( _  K( w9 m0 w/ ]& G- ~# ^咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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& g! e. P6 j6 J7 c& s) J) V: }其實係...
# l7 `/ G# d' v; |8 C9 b* b因為以前未生產, 先消費
" g# v3 @- X- c$ V& }1 @而家就要多生產, 少消費
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