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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: ~0 B7 r% Q+ C. h" YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???* d, V( o3 f2 p: B/ O' }7 x$ B
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢* t( q$ |/ e2 l: v, g
so銀行可以不斷放款2 L: o: H# h; B3 W( V! U7 o1 F4 Z) T
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! Y6 k- t3 K6 ~; z( q# hmortgage loan . ~; k8 `/ r/ X
>conduit
) ?( X1 f7 j9 k" w! h0 [4 \>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 X" j9 J% |7 w9 ~, v' ^( @5 o
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& j0 E7 p5 ]+ Y  R- }0 ~
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return." D; q: k1 m3 e9 z0 Q3 x& I9 E% C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,! M7 o1 m, j& k. `7 a
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.( h1 ^* J% s( ?0 f# ]- g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" G4 x! W8 ]% F, Q. ~7 n$ Gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
  u. Q2 Y) @2 y+ p" I5 BAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! u* e' l! ]  e' D8 t, osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 T. \! w4 g4 M8 ?" k/ B- |; v7 ^
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 _3 ?$ t$ h  g
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ _7 ?* `2 @0 Y+ pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.7 q* w+ [0 t4 K* h
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 ?; T: R8 `% ]6 P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
9 `% @: q1 o# T" P0 L0 gFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( H( t+ b3 u- H7 u/ p5 ?+ W) ?A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 c2 i% l4 H  q! w
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 b) ]- [- o8 |4 J7 ^+ r. g
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: D$ `' w& H, r/ i+ ^
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 H0 U2 `( {7 s5 W( ?4 ^4 s
Refer to last example,
# S/ \- \- \9 |0 S/ Dthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 D+ e2 i2 N. T5 S' |' L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& W/ m' U0 i, O" A5 Ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E+ e- E9 Y# r( n5 y) ~) Z4 O
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 C7 X& T& f  Y9 U* `
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 [/ C; h) r3 w# D

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  z2 F: {7 V! m8 a& [# r  Bthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
# f! y0 M  n" g1 s) {: h9 Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, " N  {" X6 j3 p9 ~5 d$ i) m: c
it's the problem of the debt itself.6 q5 S- {9 ]+ b2 o+ S
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" L1 K/ P: p  _% V5 i3 n, s; o
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 p4 D- p1 J4 G$ Q' P4 G: D
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答! k6 H- U/ K' q( S
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 T% F8 T) H3 |0 X各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 r4 c! y/ ~1 o/ h6 j. D; E7 s

6 _, e( r, j2 @- o6 R  Bhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產3 h3 O0 s8 [  y% W
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, @: G! g( G6 L: W
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 `/ L0 t* Q6 E" d/ F個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- p" W9 {# C$ T( W1 d8 h7 t
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
9 n) c3 ]& }1 H$ l計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; L/ `0 p; F2 Z, x+ ]# f前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 ^* M! \' G+ D( L& p! v% L% W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得7 U. L0 p  X7 o7 F1 M
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. ]! l$ B# ^5 T& M; s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 t& V( m% p( c0 u6 f, E咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
: S; g. x. \5 R0 K所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# p+ p9 a. I/ F- X1 R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ z) v  m4 c3 O+ O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 b* ]# N1 ^* D7 {* D; e2 Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% k, N) P4 B: b8 W9 R% n) @- V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 i$ q( k+ z) s1 j
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" {+ G& Q2 q1 R: {1 Z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& y0 v. w( c& h4 J
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ ^" i8 Q# Y- q, h( n連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 B2 ~- G9 o# o6 C0 z/ X# b0 [
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# D; y5 w# G8 |: b編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 w% G8 ^9 U$ ~3 P2 v8 D2 l咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
" j: F* D5 {( |& k  n: g: r而家就要多生產, 少消費
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