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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 s9 y+ E9 e4 N, n1 l1 N2 V& _3 x! C
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 _4 O% T9 A: U$ y- eI was so confused.....
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) }. V/ G9 b! X9 ?6 _/ C1 W講到尾都係賺錢
; A* v; U- e2 }so銀行可以不斷放款
" P7 v) ^3 G: R. @* f5 K0 A0 M美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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/ x: O0 }6 Z- J/ d. Smortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities), C$ j+ P+ v/ k& j# D( Q
>arranger
: D# T# y3 I' [8 ?' Q2 W>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)( {9 k. ^* K' C" @
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.9 c6 y/ A2 c" d
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* Z' O* F6 d; ?( qin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% W3 S; ?! ]: }, v
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 W/ q, h' t0 M+ W# R1 C) v- a
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 w$ b! l4 n# ^normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 P5 E" V6 \1 h% o9 O- y% o5 Meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! R4 r+ H  x1 Y  r0 S7 x& x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! a6 K1 M: N; M; sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 e( J1 s3 o1 @0 s& c- A) e
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  C4 \: A. }; d( GA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 t, B4 Q4 r3 ^$ i, T
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 i6 E$ e, e* y7 J, O6 Y. n1 tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 `+ E7 r" R; d2 H  {) l
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" j' {: V: F# \3 s9 r) _/ }Refer to last example,6 U! b/ i- N! N5 G  O8 _  M7 C% \6 j
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ O, O. _% m& f9 R+ [Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : W# S8 ^/ u4 m8 R1 @( Y2 p
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E5 w! L+ F9 f8 {+ @! S( [) q' r
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 J1 Q# d, _4 l( W7 z8 p
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 I2 d( Y, V, \: L+ N, s
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) z9 |' B- ~' M" ~& vit's the problem of the debt itself.
# r3 t0 b% _3 x" R- Q5 Xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 z2 @% h* \7 B3 {! h小弟一直都唔明...
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2 E5 R4 i( }' \+ Q" `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 A$ Z2 M1 T7 K

* V0 N3 R( ^0 j- a無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( H* {: F' S0 Y4 _6 I. A$ k

# s& T+ a! s3 F- o" O/ l敬請各師兄解答
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" `; m0 P# f' I8 mThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" z: K7 ^( ]% L! Z$ E0 f各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" `% j! `* y7 K% }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  x, s/ K% E7 G1 C* d6 T5 E
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# y! N2 }9 d3 p% c- S個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 \) t* a3 i) E! B/ }4 h: D扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: j7 q5 V9 b. ~; A! c4 d* Y! B5 A
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 _' O8 i) M- Y# H5 f: O& n( H
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法% o  e: p9 J4 q0 T+ H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- \( s+ u# u  L
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 d# ^3 M& A" ]$ ~( v; `  e: @; C
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 V& x  W- Z6 A+ l) G7 l
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 a# J% h3 f! s$ g; ~! l
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * c/ s$ y8 y7 z! F8 L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & r; x( b, w: h: E: X
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" }  S' [: p! R- B; ~& v2 _* x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 z7 ~6 a/ O- o6 F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. ^* r- D) j8 {淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; _; w4 u5 R: m  I" f: O2 R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% S2 E# H6 `  m  k+ r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣' n3 f* B, {# ?" Z5 O; B: x
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ I3 ]% z* v8 O' G  H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  r. `2 U! Y' b; J- I5 l( p

& H8 {( Q! R) l再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ G( d3 x/ z/ _4 C; N  ^* s% N
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& O7 o. s- U; z4 d8 J/ O' h一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# q! N! e* h' k4 l# y; S. v0 |1 E% S
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 N/ s" w6 h; a* y5 H6 j咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...8 T9 C& c. v* ^
因為以前未生產, 先消費9 }& E' @5 D# c' Y; z& }8 `
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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