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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* P1 G0 C' a2 Z6 D
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- N, ^( \3 \9 W) Q) b
I was so confused.....
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8 X9 p  v5 R% V4 F3 ?講到尾都係賺錢
0 C  D- B8 y, L$ V# r5 `' dso銀行可以不斷放款
: p& {8 E0 @# O: ~美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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>conduit
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 O' P& s$ J0 @* J* amain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& l4 _+ e9 V6 m# j! O8 G4 V% Q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 {, E# ~9 U$ Y' ~9 k; u6 c8 \% n3 U/ u
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 d  t+ x) b4 [" Y9 w1 r, Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 s* @( e: u- }) ?5 m5 B" r7 P4 b5 `
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 c- K+ R2 Z1 Z6 Jeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
! J& M  W! c: [+ j1 ybanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: Q+ G/ l8 E9 P" Y  h
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; f9 z5 i( O  _; O; M) TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 Q* a0 Q9 @7 m1 b; ~1 m  V
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.8 ?9 A; x9 d" s, K
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + ^2 K4 Z$ P0 ~# a
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! L; i$ i; O1 z) \9 O
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- M/ h! N) ^( h. i8 P, x) t5 V" FRefer to last example,
2 t# A4 w' q+ M2 b" l4 R0 Gthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( x7 U6 {8 r3 S1 o7 VBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 O8 f& W0 z! n9 a4 Btherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E3 M; R0 C* a: V7 Q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) V' U2 p! P) R- _0 h1 X
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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  A2 u6 J. z! o5 F: ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " w& x/ a; R! X6 U' I! F0 U  u$ r' a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
" N* H, ~0 X) w0 D! Y1 sit's the problem of the debt itself.
/ q6 Y( F) j/ q' x3 l' E/ jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 y# i8 ^! {9 V# y- _" ?- \& B
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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9 m; C/ g/ w0 X9 W敬請各師兄解答9 T" J2 C: Z; z" W4 {2 T
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
# B& N! i+ [1 l. T1 k' s各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 }& y( \/ j* M當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
$ h3 P. G) m, }於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) t$ x2 j. W" H: y. l個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' a0 d# S0 k& @. I* H扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 {/ t3 H3 h( M: P3 Q4 A計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺8 |- r5 L' s2 D) {& X# m3 z1 J! O8 V5 S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法6 d# e9 z  n# ?/ _( I
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 V& I# {9 r1 R* ]' O) I& }9 ]
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 T* K. O+ H; F- k1 p& C# L
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 m# O6 D/ S9 x5 K. U7 n咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ W" b6 A0 [7 |0 ~+ ~2 Z所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" R5 T. K% R* h. F; t+ w4 u

+ K3 d# i: ^2 n你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% F2 }; o) D. Y( a6 q0 b但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: D  s. e. x$ `* P淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 }$ i' U( J' @" [3 ~3 J; v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 A) b( `# T. d
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 Q& R" `: F6 l9 c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : M2 r( b- q; l" D$ M
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 I1 O, F, `  _- P" l/ r咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
' }2 ~' g  H4 V7 V" Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業/ s8 P9 n, w( ^" m/ X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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% b. w2 q6 r& p; G; p6 T! u再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* l! u$ t2 ~% t$ `) U
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; D, \  N' l4 n  C/ ?2 u  F; N一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% o' R/ e6 m+ N
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 E+ l" F3 v: K& I咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: g* m" B/ T6 q' v
因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 d9 h/ U& A* p1 N  h* \而家就要多生產, 少消費
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