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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, x  n1 }; [# O9 t: n9 j/ J% |Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???6 V% ~7 [8 x" x* E( i9 |
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
2 M! e7 n) T. U2 q. k" {" [' hso銀行可以不斷放款0 K" a! N/ }7 A6 N7 p
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan , ?! Y' N9 g$ _5 H  K# H
>conduit
/ R3 C2 h3 C. [. Q7 \3 b) M( }>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( d% M  t# w# V- B3 {9 s
>arranger
2 n5 @0 m) a* D2 w7 m" w4 _2 u>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)6 {: N' |/ z# ]" o9 f# l4 _
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 s6 H. a5 R1 Q$ x* C/ O# j
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 {- f  O/ [' K0 `. g) Q
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.+ M) O" n( ^1 F; i
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
+ w" A% O+ l, p# p* k7 B* Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 z" A# N* ?5 q6 V/ JAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 _2 X# G9 v0 H% s4 Q% e  z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, ]: ~, `8 \* }2 E. Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  L, s) }! I! ?9 ^' feg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 ~- P1 B5 [+ L# j) j, \* Kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- T* s# _$ E% p+ r( U

2 m5 V2 t- D" e. F% l% e( yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: |; q+ j. J4 v) ^in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 a6 s& V9 e! H8 K. O. C9 {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% B! {8 H2 t; ]( e0 P1 D( x( {A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; z) |2 A/ N  C+ wThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # g$ ]3 P; a4 {- t) [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.2 c) a/ c1 [0 n* P

. ~7 G# k' H$ T" X1 s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; S9 p6 D" o- g' t, X+ r
Refer to last example,
0 K& w: Y+ y% X: Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * f* _( {) A8 C& b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : G) I; q5 a% P. v+ T! U
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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, u7 \9 {  k0 M$ }0 p4 J8 |A->B->C->D->E7 w' ?& h' q' W: S7 p
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 }) s( r% S" Y9 t$ j3 t
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' |+ U+ l6 b! g. Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 w* E7 e* [9 c1 [it's the problem of the debt itself." y! ?' J! B. p+ {% @1 C+ D
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" p7 E( |5 A; z  P- I. z
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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: _6 B# \9 ~# [% N( T1 f% A2 X敬請各師兄解答9 U0 e1 g$ r) k6 P% [
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  . f4 i8 g* u7 \
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic' @8 n: u" m0 k5 ]3 Y

1 z4 e1 s2 d1 c( L3 ^7 Shttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% ]# p3 P" q: D; y' [當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, [% `/ X* ^5 w3 A& A
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' T6 H8 H  _) I0 C) P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& u& ]9 K% w+ ]5 \9 t5 u, n' D' h# w扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( f, [! ?* a% c  Q) X
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: k# ]5 B3 l4 \1 L  \3 ~
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法6 {9 Q8 a/ A1 o* l5 @. _* A1 m
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得1 J0 ^9 i6 i6 E/ {2 O7 l8 l4 t
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- n* [4 a: ]2 f; J/ G6 V7 a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # _. W4 l% {1 c; y/ }2 R
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%( }) R" \5 E4 D  j1 |
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 F3 K, e6 P, m; {' n5 m: S
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' ^9 K' {) u5 q/ z% q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " Z9 f9 S' e# k4 O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ k7 f  A2 m' x% `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% T+ h" z2 o6 d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- i* U! n+ s3 A1 f
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / e$ C6 r6 A3 \4 s1 ~  w
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 M' B" o2 q( L0 f: m  C呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ U# _6 G& E4 g咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  j, {. x. S' X+ @其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業1 r# L$ a3 j! [' M9 M9 p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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( a( h) p% |9 x( A3 V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
! k+ u# K- D5 ?5 R連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& ^: `6 Y( m5 b2 b2 z$ y+ E9 E
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
  e/ t. d* K9 S# [* B: \$ A編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* q7 s- g5 G) \6 ^咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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6 Z  N  m) J* E7 p+ f其實係...
" w; F9 B1 y/ n/ e# K因為以前未生產, 先消費% y; b- T$ k, Q; |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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