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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) [1 [: S3 b( cWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" `* ^2 D  W1 y, W# YI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢' d4 `. D7 ~% q: Z. W% e
so銀行可以不斷放款
/ i9 c$ l+ B$ |5 {! f( j. Q( }美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 v$ s. p: |$ f6 I* ~mortgage loan
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! s$ ^( F# M4 A# F/ Y' |. m>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ S0 I8 X: k: ACDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: T, n( j1 E, L, emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" Z) T( t; d& ~2 p+ l; L# Gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( Q/ }2 h: ]$ xin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; C5 K5 O8 P1 t: R& V/ G8 v& |0 U
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.. N( [5 r" N0 }2 B  K
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ v# M( K: I, w3 w- M$ a
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' i0 |1 ^2 u6 O6 D
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) F# I9 u6 \) a/ Ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 q* h7 t* v1 p

! l1 R. [  J1 o( `im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; T0 c* e1 V& \in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. A* }$ x+ R* K0 K! b/ w* IFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
# Y0 I  T7 C6 o! _! x% z. E, HA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. b% _0 c7 v. V0 {+ s. @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' i4 {# x) X7 u/ r$ J! Vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.2 ]( X% I9 W0 Q8 ~3 A/ @9 {/ |
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 {4 i2 Y4 O2 \* |7 B1 ~Refer to last example,
5 F2 A! E% [- h2 {that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; _4 @0 J+ b, F" L; SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; y3 k* ^% `' j( Z$ Dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. A7 k$ f$ F+ l) YA->B->C->D->E
1 L- R* z/ Q. O$ Sso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' M# T) v! J( o  T0 o9 `all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( [6 i2 ^% }# _$ |

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2 U! e0 l8 k' q0 _2 ~+ f) y4 ^( fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' L+ @; r* J( m: z  |$ j
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 `* [# T% {; ^
it's the problem of the debt itself.
; x2 c3 ]7 s5 }the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ g& Q* `& m- h( d& m0 D. ?# A
小弟一直都唔明...4 D; Q, W4 |2 }1 A* N! f# N
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 [4 A( K1 j. ?/ h% O6 Z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; }  S. u8 R7 n

! b/ o7 T4 C: }& ]1 q' T% q5 i敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
) N" d. P. W% ?那些根本係 紙上財富  
, x. r+ ^9 C, m! G* k: ]$ D# Z7 A各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% o& ?& V8 S) ]  {& k6 s
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高7 ?, C" B# f$ B  K; i8 f
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( X5 T  C# F4 `2 y+ X1 {+ ]" o個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 m, Y$ i' V- X! {' a' _
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," ?: C9 c' v( w" Q3 d
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ f* w, M* L1 t3 j3 g
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 H6 {4 G8 ~$ [% R9 g. e+ O同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# n/ t5 F* y7 L% L( o1 i0 ?! G9 k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& z7 B1 t9 `4 m# ~9 }6 c. y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, , x. X4 i5 |/ A
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 r2 G" F4 r/ r& n* i7 z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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: a+ U, Z$ k2 s5 J你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 D- ?- G* Y+ l8 i4 X6 n. d
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 k" l; I# O: G. x* u淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ B! a" g* B. l! E9 \  e6 S3 b0 b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" q3 M2 k( D2 g8 L9 h. ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: }( R$ F# i9 s/ @: [
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & ?2 `9 W* K3 S% g$ N6 Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! s  T$ c, ~  C7 [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' [" a- q% T* C" g# P7 P
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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' a+ ^0 y4 f7 A% `正係咁樣
& E0 S/ K/ f) h: j) x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) V' c' k9 J# W& F! u5 f# ~
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& n% W' i0 g$ a% e0 f
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" L0 `! @- \! Y5 z' T  m) D" U連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 v+ }8 g% `. `+ I一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( g3 V  V3 X$ X# j編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: u) f) P1 l% c& Y  l, U" P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費+ H" {/ W+ K2 X: x0 O2 |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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