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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: O3 U0 B# r5 |3 Y/ I0 i& ^
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 J- t) @3 J, |6 ^. Q6 J) x
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢' T& Z6 J( G" g- X& D
so銀行可以不斷放款
' G& `, K/ {/ `1 M9 {$ c美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& D" Q5 ~; R- h. a: b* u) W
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ S" ]7 ~+ J0 z3 L& [, e' zCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& D/ A0 E' I3 U& F3 W; M) ?9 Z& I: Wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ I0 p1 o, E6 \$ H! u) Ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! d3 D; b9 U% P, |+ {+ H% ^9 B
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 N" a/ w0 D1 M2 AAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
. i6 C% v. o# O/ Ysimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 `6 I6 I/ Y; K4 M. bnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : H/ Y$ e; B; X9 |* P# C8 u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
  R3 t7 ]* J" M& Fbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 a5 x& G9 R. e/ J6 t, `
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) S/ B  `. w8 e9 i4 O- |
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* ~& B" ~. y6 O' ^
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.; _" b9 K1 }1 e/ Z, |4 m/ ^. q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " ]- S: e$ w; x) U! z, c0 [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 G& y3 p! x$ h/ L. Q. v2 x) e! G
Refer to last example,
1 U7 c+ @* }& O7 q* |4 Uthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) a  \# G1 m* F3 V/ A, |/ tBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& n# L& I$ E$ }- J: h0 [therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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! {2 G- c+ `$ S/ D& D7 B: v% [A->B->C->D->E
) B" b% a6 }9 M1 g5 l5 Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 y' D6 j4 e5 ^/ u2 Eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ [: e. j  V  G
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" D3 D! Z" u  o6 u1 Y' L( Xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : z5 O% b6 j, s2 P
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . P- t/ h: `% F$ f/ A! r5 S
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. L- X; U/ s& G/ k' @3 sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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4 M: ], ?6 q: n  p' R! |& s全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 c5 Q5 w! m$ V/ Q1 r無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: V& X1 y1 G4 A4 g: v

+ G# N" f- y% b; _敬請各師兄解答* ]; S; Q; e9 s
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Thanks
2 D( L+ P% n! t. U8 [" @那些根本係 紙上財富  6 ?" l+ ?6 ^- f* z6 x6 h
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, G: F2 g, M: Y& a3 ^
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高2 s) t9 r9 g& f5 S
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, h8 M+ C/ W( g0 _) Z0 G( K& h
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
6 [+ _1 @2 p0 z' a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
7 w2 S+ u4 N- [; R. [* y+ p2 |計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  A- w  L: Z5 \" P) I9 @0 _
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 ]( n1 R! W  D! [# |同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! m5 z  z+ c0 V5 n' z- \0 r但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 O6 F8 \1 F5 j$ l2 \0 i( }; P例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 3 w/ Y6 B' e( P$ \4 l7 H
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 M0 n( ], a* Z9 X6 {% }
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! R. f1 K) r  v9 u8 s& q) M( y* H9 D

* R8 Y7 [0 r# c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 `: b6 @% j4 K/ ?4 `0 d
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / M; M3 W9 t$ S3 N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , |8 P/ S. ]% ?+ p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 [9 S" u; k9 n& \咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! v5 J: A4 n8 I" S
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 q" c0 n9 ~1 w4 a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" R# ^, `; D+ Y. X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣  @# C. i; P( @/ Q, `
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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- x0 [# x8 A1 _% L* ?/ ~: e. V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 K2 m( F2 x# e8 j連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( p% R6 {& e5 @. v一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% I( B  F1 I6 ]) H% y編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ p/ H! i5 A0 Q# ?. l
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...3 Q! X% A' f# z
因為以前未生產, 先消費( l5 z2 r# ]/ s
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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