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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 q9 l3 r0 y9 c
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 X& A9 u$ ^: UI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
8 S5 h/ z! t3 Lso銀行可以不斷放款
, n# {, [8 }- n' I0 {( Z美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 B& Z# I* r1 Nmortgage loan 7 W% Z' [! D+ S" p# I
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# \$ T9 C2 Z  P( {" \% C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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: Z- b7 h; i  a7 k# [6 _>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 Y5 G! m7 a$ q+ Y# [CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 f& n, Z% S& L; z" g: b  }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
2 n; u7 S7 S" S+ L2 Z6 Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 x, }9 ^1 K( n8 n& D* `
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.- e* \, D' y/ b. U, D. W/ ^7 q3 ~' p
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.4 s4 t5 a6 V7 e0 F. b/ i" t' p* H2 g
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  N7 o) }4 M+ G  Bnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
) O- \8 J' `! c" neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
* P) |6 k# d* N# C& ^banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 R! f3 w+ k7 S" H& `4 ?
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* G2 i5 }* X5 _8 ]* C2 \1 T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 W" t& H; m! J5 S# B# `4 Q
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: o6 F: |. U( c
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
4 D) T" X8 O; c* PThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) I- c# p5 d& o/ G0 {! v$ m: vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* X, a- A* A5 e& ?( U* \2 R2 C

4 @  o6 L0 N5 ^[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, M: i* ~$ {- r5 y" wRefer to last example,  g# T" E! I# H/ i! B/ r; ]
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 B& x8 i4 _# L9 Q" S
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ' Q0 k& R3 o. R: K. q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  X! d3 k9 R: k7 U3 QA->B->C->D->E
! {' R2 b: C: X1 Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: Q! A+ [) T+ n' J8 R2 E( uall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?; {/ E( j5 G0 @2 |2 V# M+ W: J
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
: s, T" V+ W/ u5 ~7 t+ Xin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - P/ b$ ^2 d% o7 x7 t2 r
it's the problem of the debt itself.
1 w# Z0 W  `; p$ B( tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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' D) C9 _  c1 C9 U! T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 G8 s( [( _8 P9 E: N$ w+ j

/ u: s; {' |1 I0 b& p+ Y敬請各師兄解答  j( X& `% ~1 X/ P- _* w6 \
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Thanks
1 C9 h. A* m: `那些根本係 紙上財富  ) J1 z/ R0 b/ F! a6 k5 ]
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic: Z( ^; w$ X. {* K

$ ~; c- I1 t* n) a; z  ?http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產& C1 o* ~7 I8 y/ H' H+ f* K6 Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 ]+ z4 o3 e' l' o$ `
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
3 O- A$ [- u( o9 N/ @; ^8 w' a) R個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 t+ G9 r8 N4 [4 q9 V
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: X" A6 u: q, S
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) V* V8 V- C5 ^" Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 ?4 h9 f5 U  \% f
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' b# J5 [' S$ a' K0 C但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ f# W2 r' W3 m& E1 O$ Y, j& Q) [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" Q6 ~& w5 N7 K( k% [4 |咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
, N: W6 b  v* e5 [5 c: u所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + c# F; Z4 w$ L* b+ L& l' G# n
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 T5 |  _1 m1 O/ p: F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # f. n- M6 k  `0 c: D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 k1 K/ j7 f4 S# o- f  e
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ n% X8 m2 T! A* K1 i- h$ v$ S( ~
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , w! T: \7 q1 n
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ K, O  h) y' I4 }) C7 [( Q0 t
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 ^4 c) v6 y6 n+ i) O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
, A* H/ s# f! H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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- i$ K+ z% `5 k0 Y  i2 T& [! r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) R/ g+ r1 t# D0 C+ `7 W
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票% y, C# j& W. M8 i
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, Y" X, r( Z/ y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! _# E5 v+ y) Q- M* Y2 [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 S" \: h% ~2 \5 S2 _因為以前未生產, 先消費& S' P% T8 j% ~/ A
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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