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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 {  e+ [( ~$ tWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???! c3 X1 ?6 C1 N9 a
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. L* e* d+ p. m" K# Omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' S8 ]7 r- X6 F3 x3 ECDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 Y& i; q! z& h% E: |
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 F7 a( _1 A2 c8 r" B
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" I: f: E, B8 j# j( T  s/ A1 Yin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 P- d+ K; x9 L3 }Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, l+ H1 @# a+ X. e& S) Asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,4 L# I3 J( C( r4 _
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ q3 Q  J) h  `- `eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
% ^# O4 V$ l& r, |7 i  X$ |3 F, E- \banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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9 U; Y" Z# t" {im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* C  U. ?, _. b% p
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: N, x9 O# c/ g! v: h; r3 a* Y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,7 z. @! T3 c2 ^
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.2 o% b+ t" l* \2 v0 k# a
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 C6 L, m" i0 u. y! Gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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7 j7 I1 b; X( g4 y. M) n7 @) \[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ r0 E8 A4 A7 `, s
Refer to last example,3 n  q* r4 T! t( g
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ( F8 L* V( \6 d
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; A% `$ \8 X* s# |. f9 L
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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% C4 @' t$ h; @& X( ?A->B->C->D->E
( F9 L' U3 A! Q% }! j0 eso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; [% r- B+ P& x
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# G6 ]7 \1 ?3 D3 C" ^
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. p1 _5 f- g1 C, uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' ~8 r  l# G  M, [4 c3 W6 pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ n5 k$ V" B' X5 m% m3 _$ ]2 uit's the problem of the debt itself.
' z7 }& O5 Z+ B' W  J2 w. Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 T/ ~( P7 i0 L# s# o
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ A1 m. h# z) d& t/ E
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& M3 I& e: M9 D$ D* C' O

4 N* x, f! e  f$ M0 J敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
4 }8 }: }( n$ S' R0 O) _那些根本係 紙上財富  
% [: O8 Y! l$ j1 k- a% ^各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) {" `% g7 `: L0 g# f" k3 a

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' G" I! @' ^" j當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 g: }  B# _4 p於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* v1 P- v5 j# g0 X1 y! @個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- D8 ?: z1 \  }/ @# }
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 Z% D7 Z  Q0 Z7 k
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 D+ @6 r0 |2 f; I/ K
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ U# i- Y) J0 O9 V
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: v' x3 {" k) d6 f7 e4 A
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, d5 Y$ H2 p" Q( I- ~  C
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % k& a# c% _' x6 [: H
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# R  Z/ Q- t& M3 I$ x所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 X; n" ^& D' o3 [

  a7 W7 R" n) i5 r% a你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 D; V7 i6 Y" W6 ^9 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + N4 ~# K. u) z4 @- P0 [; f# A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 j) w' a0 X& g) ~& _呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# V3 k+ I8 Q. i1 f4 P唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  _9 y: Y# L. K1 z/ ~1 |# B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: A4 ^* T7 ?; r3 S& P  g0 q正係咁樣
1 N9 S+ K4 s2 X2 l& c其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% o" r0 D- Q# i分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* b  n* p: }6 k' `5 P! V1 p& ?# [; g
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 A1 w: N' ]' B
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; W7 P+ h- Z# a( Y1 b4 p2 c$ ~- Z& G編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ I) Z0 f3 P: ?  `# T咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- M  S" @! c8 Z1 _6 p其實係...
" o& H/ v) a2 l0 t$ X因為以前未生產, 先消費( `: e/ `2 G  I& c; B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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