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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. D$ q( s: h( I% ?* Q2 xWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 ?" c8 \! g0 k: c; d1 F' @4 MI was so confused.....
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8 v  q2 g+ K/ S! @# A8 [講到尾都係賺錢$ n. s  Y5 c, P8 {0 }  g: k; ?8 M
so銀行可以不斷放款+ F3 E4 |# I9 Q& b( U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( V- S' W% C* V/ amortgage loan 7 r8 ^* U7 o; J5 S, n! p
>conduit
- t5 C" x+ e: f>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! H1 U2 {) G8 `: c
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
+ |3 J5 r7 c  `$ Q9 X4 M8 _最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 K7 u" d& G) W) e; y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 Q: L: n. ?$ @  b, r; {" jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 L7 `; w2 C1 u$ l  ~& ~
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ h4 i" }0 f! T! C* D* e$ Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 }, L- j1 O4 p8 HAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
0 b( x* \7 V. d' Y  ysimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! `0 t: N/ \, D6 z2 J' znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + c5 ]; {" t$ S4 E) `6 D
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 v& n$ A2 T+ q- o3 wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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5 W$ M- M" x8 Eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; q+ e# B) B0 _
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 @3 S' p. m% XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 o- F6 G! E9 S8 ?) b5 F$ VA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 [; S& d. B  f0 |# |The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & `$ Z8 Y. n- o% l' s! c/ d; e
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 }$ f& l- Q7 y
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) D* _# u% T. R
Refer to last example,
9 [6 W* w7 }  T) k' h" l  s$ Vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , N: A" [6 d$ B6 U# {( q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 1 b5 W1 d0 _4 ~' A) a' l
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
) I* s4 [7 D% t: S5 Y% T+ bso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
& b+ p, \( c3 q" K0 {9 @& ^all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 _: B2 U; f3 r, ]5 D4 A5 v: ]

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+ O: x' H/ s4 d% `" w% gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, # |6 B7 ^9 [+ I; }' E- D1 w' w2 I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , d# Z: c7 E- g. c/ v/ t
it's the problem of the debt itself." a! o1 c2 t" _1 Q+ m3 R7 S& F, |
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- [3 C0 e0 W2 k& B小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富    g' C2 w5 e- O, z; G, ~6 F! I
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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4 M! R9 O1 x' ?& v- ]' M) Rhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ O7 L5 z3 G0 U. X( U
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
8 ?. S: y9 p* f- @0 k9 f9 A於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊- G8 I4 ?4 N3 r! Q
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 l/ @% C; w3 b" Y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ E( z* c$ z- T! e6 g0 {4 j2 D計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 E. c  L! j1 I, m# a6 |5 o前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
% g; I. d- b! v' M! M7 u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ x! l( ~" L9 |% z- i8 K但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, v/ o: K. r- V$ ?
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / k& D3 t5 G) ~6 g
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# A7 W& n1 n4 D$ f8 u0 m, p0 F
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 M+ ?9 |1 i8 Q2 m

7 T$ Q+ B8 @: p& y' _3 {你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 J  N# V, `5 k1 |7 M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 b' o. e1 ~; S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% k: c$ i, w. r5 u9 t% E" E9 W# y) k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' F+ q0 V2 G# c0 S! V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 w+ ~: y3 y) R  B4 n唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" U+ m0 M: c$ P: T, K' r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& D: h( E% m4 A# T8 }- j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 ]7 G* {9 d- S咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: V( s: w: {; Q  p& G  k' i正係咁樣* I1 _$ N) \( P2 u- [7 f, m
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 e8 g& |7 N5 _* b5 Z3 U
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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; l" [3 B( N/ V4 ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ F- i" C0 h$ D  x連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
, B1 N! S8 u8 A$ P7 {一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 G' M9 Q" T5 ?( n& B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* c0 W$ R% j- R  |
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- X% ^$ ~6 p1 Y1 M% |/ s' ]其實係...
& I+ H9 T8 S3 F+ S因為以前未生產, 先消費2 Q/ r; ?# E' g4 V5 ]4 g. {; L7 I
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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