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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 y' B1 S( o; `/ y4 `
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???. T) n+ c: k* b6 A  Y
I was so confused.....
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& O# {8 `; M6 S$ w. H講到尾都係賺錢
  Q- y4 G3 A  B" A+ |& sso銀行可以不斷放款( _5 ~3 C2 }1 d+ Q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, M3 x2 a# j3 d/ L
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mortgage loan $ m# h/ m" O5 w' p
>conduit
8 [8 `( k) l! p- y; w- D( C5 n>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ i% F0 m  T0 G9 L. A
>arranger
+ f( |( A8 j  X& r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
7 B7 S5 R  _! q8 y最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& F3 A+ P" _7 s, H4 x& s4 n. lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* j( s) ?1 ~& W, d4 ]
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., n6 b% K$ t, f
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' L: ]0 f. R3 x5 |( T! g2 O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 L' _. o+ [8 [9 ]
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& D1 F+ n2 ]3 I
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) |5 Y" q% t0 H, L2 |0 R# y" L
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! x& V! f* i3 N. v4 ]eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 H4 A  T3 v% cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ ?( c1 D. B6 s

' c# j! e# u' B3 ~' J  }im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ `/ `2 s+ s2 y' U# w5 R% A( Nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( P1 U' ~0 l% L3 A$ F/ }
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 ^; z$ {8 a, e4 ?0 {9 W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# x/ ]/ Z0 I5 L% {
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
( }0 s9 a0 X; pbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- k1 F9 }/ q  y" ?
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 x% c& S3 x, k6 F3 y/ BRefer to last example,
. l2 ?' }' R/ w; B: W5 tthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
, w; B  @+ E% S7 YBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 K* H# Z5 }, G" V6 i7 \therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E2 ?- K) g0 z) j
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ P: ~* k* h% J. Pall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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$ \4 L8 X- T2 J& Sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% ~6 ~( @7 Y$ S* [0 Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ) |- w: B3 t! D; ]! Q0 @+ l4 @, r
it's the problem of the debt itself.; M; k; ^2 ?! N& d
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 E) I7 X1 O! D. [- V2 H) u小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ J/ d2 r" A' M& _
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' p7 @4 E& M$ U" t, R) n

/ c" V& J' s3 M  {6 V) B敬請各師兄解答* m; z% P  t# w% P2 j/ L/ \- H7 B
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Thanks
6 b) h7 Y& ]4 r* ?! D# {8 ?/ n那些根本係 紙上財富  ! h* D3 T$ |- H" g
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic/ m6 K) K4 X" O, a0 u  H
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 r0 b. X/ U1 t8 H/ S$ H
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 b5 U: g" a9 M8 E8 q1 i1 P& n
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' ~8 P+ Z1 y+ o$ }" k
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ K6 D5 V. {- Q; `
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) [! G, A% j5 T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺! A+ {! q- [2 t5 n) n
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 s( B3 m! ^% U! S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 q: J& i( }* m% X* f6 Z3 o但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* O" K: @4 U2 Q2 P% _. n0 n* E例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - @) R1 A% @; i# J* W
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 w3 u" C$ {3 A) A, m
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : H" C, x: B3 }
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 I. _5 S6 I3 X5 l- y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; f0 z8 o2 N6 O
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ D7 T& K. F0 M7 |4 D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 n8 D& {4 a9 P, J4 o  N' L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% n4 I0 E  N  f9 f% Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
' h/ \2 @+ s4 s其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& i4 y3 t& ^( X" Q" a分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 h- C, G1 C) x5 G; ]( n

7 @% k  j/ q5 _! H  ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; l) m$ ?: M& [/ ~( ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( J1 U& n9 P% {# r# Y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 \4 w3 |- w- q9 m- _, V/ E& e編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! k' F' i: v/ @$ l: q* g  H$ K咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: N$ ]' W+ S- g) f8 i其實係...
/ \; }8 Z* f3 y7 O+ W因為以前未生產, 先消費& g6 m2 s2 X4 T3 n/ b( a" A
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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