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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 a* s3 I. u4 S
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! S' a) K! J' hI was so confused.....
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3 P, v: u, I  N" @5 F* ~( ^; d4 O講到尾都係賺錢
* m9 b- K( B  B+ h* tso銀行可以不斷放款
1 U& K! r- T5 D3 }9 G  |美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 X6 u7 N6 W( ]- l0 E" k& C# F2 j1 }
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mortgage loan # e! `0 I7 s' b7 ?) b( C
>conduit
7 {' e: r) l  x) p- R>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- A' I5 k) Z9 {$ Y; Z
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.  r' i1 K3 f0 K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 ?! R9 {) Y4 ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 T: Q1 a6 ~2 e
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 e& }5 N2 i7 S/ |0 Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 u* T7 T2 t# k1 X2 _$ P9 |Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.5 ]9 i1 Y  _6 G7 N  m3 e. a! z& ?
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( {- U- x* p: l! l) u, c
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.   @  A  R; m2 T0 F, J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 \* T9 a- T2 A7 M* l" Ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ T3 h' ]3 ?; H$ A1 ~2 M

& m" Z, y/ R6 |& m: O- y. Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 v. W2 D! e/ K. ]/ n8 @9 jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ ~  v3 m- v$ T3 y( {3 v/ eFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" l4 p( i% r3 x8 W0 uA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 F2 e; }/ T5 s; C5 AThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 I  E/ z3 A  I, sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly./ C. O7 ]) O( ^8 v
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' }1 B, q( E: ~; z
Refer to last example,
% @* w9 V, Y. c4 p2 Cthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
5 X, b$ Q) {- mBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 L' A) a- {& P) r4 Mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  _( ]0 N4 T- Y% M9 m  E" j% _5 ~A->B->C->D->E1 t( n" h6 Y! d' d4 d
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
; \" f  E, z" u( @9 }all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?9 j: p: R+ K1 q6 U% C

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' v+ w* Y4 C1 e6 m! V8 {/ rin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / k2 m) e8 ~+ ^2 Q/ o; }
it's the problem of the debt itself.+ J) m0 ~- ~) o) U+ Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; _4 E. j6 ]/ `; F. f3 M4 L小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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/ C: E0 ]( I3 m敬請各師兄解答, O+ D* W; O# U. o

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
; e1 J5 [; p# ]$ N3 |- l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, L- i7 Y- t* E% C6 b3 S) J8 F7 h當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 ~5 X9 [2 F3 }% H7 O. z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 c8 w7 e& U& i7 K/ T0 g4 N
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ R# x( t# r: t" {, T6 e7 V4 K
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,4 Q0 O* r0 E! L
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; X% n, q6 t$ I: Z! |/ g4 c
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 x' i: z4 a" ?# f+ L: l同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
2 B$ H2 w( x) k& M" o: G% x+ I8 F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 b$ H& H& p- o" j# A/ V1 c例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 `6 M! m. n3 Y( u! z4 _) M; y
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  \3 [) M- k' s所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 B+ O" E3 T, R. \$ z" e* `
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 J; ?/ }0 H0 v! Q! {$ {
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : j- H$ G7 {& R( A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / K" e, W: ?5 R% w3 F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ U* d. q  S, F# o
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* B5 w5 M# W; _8 B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " N5 w. T+ ~! y6 a+ N9 ]+ o. g3 u
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ c0 L3 j5 z* h% v0 H6 Z' G1 L
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣; V4 C5 V+ M" z) g
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; e/ M1 y) }5 F# {
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& P4 a6 i1 i& X5 ~. B: e

6 @# g- O" f+ g! t2 J3 F再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 y7 n' _; A0 N  G
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( R  h* H  A: l  {2 g$ \
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產/ K* ^- \+ G- m7 i5 S/ \( y& ~
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ _( i( U, w+ O5 R. d# L
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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. A3 _! a, J: e3 ^6 t) S其實係...0 T3 R# ?1 p5 u  B# n
因為以前未生產, 先消費% W  ~! q- ]" X) ~2 M# {6 k  a
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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