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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ V, r- |# O, k8 L3 w# _0 p# }" PWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 B% _& ~  r! o
I was so confused.....
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2 x2 c! K' U6 C0 ^& x& N講到尾都係賺錢
6 G: ~& S3 K5 v: t$ _/ `! y* lso銀行可以不斷放款1 k' |' W/ K4 o4 G
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! [7 L) |/ O4 a- C
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mortgage loan ! ?' |: w: o+ ^" B+ a  E
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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2 R) @: e0 A" r/ S0 J0 G>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( ^; f* `5 M+ q# u8 L. W, K0 J. f
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  ^' `: w3 _* l- N8 O' l9 L- }6 T& Imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 P, k. x' ]* o! g. W0 H" ~main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 f% ^4 i" w% I( ?; K0 I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 n# K/ t7 \: W: H$ a4 |% yAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 {) H; t: d# q; h  u2 d. \
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! Z; e3 C0 e+ Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 5 j& @0 @- [2 w1 n
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 j0 p! C9 G5 R! x2 P
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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+ f7 B8 Q" e2 q5 D9 z/ rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 t: Q8 G: Y( i( K( nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards., j3 S/ w( Q' R5 H
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- ~! Q: I* R  A- n* jA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 X9 l/ x# _* g: v; K4 MThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 X" c& E: i) |but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% S* h  q' }1 N9 H% p2 S- F. i; U

) C1 y7 |- W& ^( m5 B9 _[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ H7 b8 k, c5 c/ R. yRefer to last example,1 C9 |: u* m# \2 r, E/ \  z8 R
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 v( k2 `3 I( W$ j& E' e. P3 ]& aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   v. _) H* M$ H( `) J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. J5 x0 n( g! _. [/ k; ?9 k& rA->B->C->D->E3 ~* @2 S) g1 ^, r
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 n7 X$ R: p0 c
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 U- f1 ^) [8 e$ l
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' G, K! ]7 u0 ?7 zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 S; w+ ?2 i4 h1 P# Q# _7 H, d2 s  E7 L
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
& H6 m+ Q& p8 Uit's the problem of the debt itself.
' k# v5 e' z4 J0 W8 n& i! t) {the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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1 @1 e: C9 T4 m% d( ]全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; Q- n: m1 c2 `# g' N1 G4 N; v! ]無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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7 f8 U2 s3 y4 q; z4 [7 Q% U" A) O" CThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 m; m1 w, K7 ^% o) z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
8 @7 Z# n( y  m- D: ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
  k' _+ L& m) ^& h+ G* C+ A於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& p4 n" [1 n6 D- C1 K! [5 R( P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 u0 }( c0 P, r扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) ^# c5 W0 d* z8 ?4 w1 ?, S0 q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 L6 N% U& o/ w0 r9 x前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 u# [4 U; l( M* x+ U( b7 }6 U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得, S* T# \" }4 N1 q/ {' h) e1 k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 H7 V) Z* {& U4 g1 Z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & R# q8 R! S+ e/ i$ k
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 e/ d6 I3 Z4 v8 b& W( {6 I
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; Q. [' l' m9 T你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, o4 m7 R) S0 @8 C7 @但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# j1 y6 q; X* q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ T+ o# S4 y8 x# F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' f& z0 k0 w- Y; V1 w9 F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - f# F* ^& ~7 H7 d5 t# M4 f* L- G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 o0 E1 s3 M! }2 o. Y; n呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
0 X* ]# x, f2 j" w1 b0 g其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 d2 ?2 G! T2 H* A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" X+ D1 l8 Y( t: ?  u$ U1 U

5 ?& N0 \* @1 Z3 n' W再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
8 M6 R. r- g4 h+ [; T0 Q連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票$ X  Z. u, P) R, i7 Z" c0 T& \* R
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
1 E' c0 {& O7 |編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 @4 [5 ?$ R3 s+ F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
& [4 v' t# p7 U+ O3 U, L6 o因為以前未生產, 先消費2 \& e: ]% g/ R: g
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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