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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 o1 q; h& }4 n. AWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???. ?4 C& J( G# |* ]. ~
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
" e( d! w( @9 k2 Fso銀行可以不斷放款7 X1 W" ^( y; R
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; \$ k# e7 m3 N' x; U
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mortgage loan 6 v  e% M% u6 ?& ]. l  i
>conduit
0 b# y3 Q2 T' }>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)) W/ P5 {. |0 e) Y: Y8 A# x
>arranger
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.! A8 \. t9 r! N# W! V9 G* n, X
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% V$ i/ k) ~3 Y7 ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  H4 n( o$ h6 y5 l& y: ^0 T
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& Y/ m3 |2 `0 I6 `+ V4 L$ o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 U: h- U/ e! O2 x
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
: ?" D* P/ d% ^! y% V0 L: X* X+ Psimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, B0 Q& H+ a* |* v' k  M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
) `& K* o) [1 L) Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ( f9 u1 ^- c$ M7 E: r0 h: L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." x; c4 w3 o* G' \3 C8 f
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. f; A0 `8 C# i, F
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. r. i2 h, x- D6 w* R. P/ i$ {6 {% \
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 D+ U. e, ]. |' K- R& DA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  x) \2 {  l3 `6 D) `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& ~, e/ B7 C" Z( M; Jbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 {5 N. c0 g! J3 n# l% ^- j  i5 g7 ?
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 ]+ H4 l. u$ H) [  ARefer to last example,
& W% T0 r. z% S6 ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
+ ~2 H' @# s- mBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 @7 G. B$ r4 `+ U) \% w$ V
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
4 d" }; n) X* H  V) @' ^so does it mean if E failed to pay D, & b! a: P; W4 |0 B& z+ k+ F
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# D* {) [! v3 j2 s. }
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$ i  F3 q4 d5 D# D. sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & C1 \0 V: Q! T5 i
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! z/ r# D) C' }! ?( b! J) Y, N
it's the problem of the debt itself.
0 O' S' `2 H5 `# J$ y. V1 Vthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 H' E( \8 C, h6 I/ G6 O% c小弟一直都唔明...
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, X0 S& ?8 {5 q. t; k( Q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ) T1 }$ h+ L  K+ r- q0 V
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) T7 S$ t1 W1 \4 j8 ?! Z6 I
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! h& M  d" w+ f. r" B
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( Q/ f% A7 Q# p% ?# Z8 u9 a個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# U& _; \3 ^4 Y2 b* o% n
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ ^( `$ R! f7 @$ p% k計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# }7 V  ~% D5 U前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. x9 C4 ?% H* U3 @同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
- ], X8 E3 M5 J6 q7 B: ]但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺( d: f4 r1 Q! `# |2 E8 f
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
- Y( C& K+ h' U( Z8 a9 Z咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" w0 S$ \7 U2 g6 A3 b所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* X+ A( _& X& J3 K7 b% z( h; Q  k; w
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 P) N3 z4 Z- i: u5 }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 B" U+ q2 V4 @& Y; V淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 x3 e. S# d3 d4 }3 j# d( ]呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! o; X& c( t+ X# z# v! \" Z" P7 v
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , Z+ v& B+ d& U+ m! X; ^* }( {- d# g; G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. s) u3 s: w6 B2 c- B" Q正係咁樣+ _2 d3 z' `8 N' L% H/ H! o* v& W0 D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 K9 q  F: e* s3 x( ]1 ]分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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) K# S, \! b. S4 W再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- s( n7 a6 u* G0 r連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  ]5 ~0 g' p" T2 _4 J& a. x; G# u一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ N5 N+ d1 j1 N; k1 f
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 E9 E, e0 }& F2 K6 O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...4 _5 s0 |2 V7 E, W! D
因為以前未生產, 先消費; M) _5 n, Z+ y- a% B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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