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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  G1 \, C/ m4 J5 H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 s3 A( B5 i( i7 C  [
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
/ T' E% z6 K1 T( }( oso銀行可以不斷放款: b3 e! _- T& U9 f1 m# x
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ C/ L8 _* |, Y% I; Z* L
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mortgage loan . T+ j+ u* k. E# ~7 `
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 F9 Z8 x4 O+ ^! E2 w6 ?
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 r" a/ \/ j  a4 b  C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: g6 W% |& d2 v. s4 {7 k6 L
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 V' P* g6 Q7 E- R; u. v4 pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,8 I  f9 \4 I/ Q3 ~6 P4 D
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' Q/ y" F# w/ q5 h( K0 X, F8 y8 rAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ P& m$ f. }$ w* g3 H+ S0 ]* Usimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,! X* e* [" q' }, l5 _+ C- o+ V
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : V: `) @7 O5 e% P6 s% ^+ `
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 m% r$ p7 y4 O/ `( e6 s; ~banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 m, z% d! ^  L% Z: p; [
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 k( y: f$ E/ ~) g; j
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& K$ M, E0 @( P. W* \0 C/ ]: ?For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 l; S: l) \4 Q: @  RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* {) {$ y' E3 l5 i2 p1 o2 KThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 M% n0 m! [/ d) L/ J) fbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 O9 T" W$ V" V0 E; ]1 o
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* S% v) y% ?- B+ w- W2 g% nRefer to last example,9 C- _, {7 R9 S8 @: g
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ y1 @& |4 l* S# W7 `3 r' ]Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: |1 A; L( f9 b7 B+ ]; D9 otherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
, E& Q4 M$ [0 s# pso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 w, I) ~5 B  E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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9 y8 F  g1 Y; Q9 ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 d; w- ]* x2 ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 T+ ^; C9 B! x) m5 _
it's the problem of the debt itself.. O* V# Q: b5 w5 ~: U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. c: j# ]. _/ L5 F小弟一直都唔明...$ b2 V, G+ i% ?" g, M6 g

% c, i: `: p$ p& `- r3 _! L7 f  H全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% o' @9 P2 G) Q' Q9 W, K* V& E

7 W4 r6 L* v, F6 w4 w6 O% f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., ]7 d  u/ Z: a' R
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敬請各師兄解答$ W/ |* V- O1 D- a+ c) i2 B

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) l% l: [, b; q; x4 o0 A
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
0 l  m8 T9 f$ b# o$ J+ m於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) M* i- L+ |4 g  I/ Y% J4 p  Z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ z/ T& i1 {- N: a& l
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 R6 p+ w8 j, P$ ^+ H: E* Q0 g+ I
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺7 W: f4 }2 l$ k: Y3 O# l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ y" p4 l( {; G2 `/ K! j2 \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ G& m& P) V, ?& o$ B; z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# ?  o+ X2 ~+ u/ H* x: [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 W3 e0 u+ T, c8 I) c  s
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) b: `! B0 x4 _
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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! g) h! M: _$ |4 @  y" j: {你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, R7 s3 b3 c6 J0 \7 F/ j; h3 I  R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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$ y- s6 C. E. p+ p+ `# B; K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 j- j3 n2 m+ E6 R% i+ ~9 z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ \. a+ i) O% y' Z* B
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 P( M& T; f$ m( d' `' G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 ]3 J9 ~" l$ I* p' a/ e: d4 Q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' b+ ^7 H! A0 @$ P% z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣# \+ G1 m9 Y  I' _" m
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
) `, v0 n5 A( d. w# Y5 h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% m( f! K$ S! X# ~$ I/ L

/ N) I  S9 F; o) Z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; R' U2 c+ g' X9 i/ z1 @連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! K) P7 u* }- N9 }一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
- L( X3 \3 I4 ^' Q+ P+ Q編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( V. A0 ]& O: |1 U
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...5 [" {) `8 I0 e5 [" Q
因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 `, t1 U+ x7 [6 o% A- I( g# ~而家就要多生產, 少消費
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