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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ Y! m. F1 V; |9 p! n6 i# [' A# ~; S: AWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' @: Y& k3 D1 K3 K" ]8 SI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢+ C: ]( K4 ~% v; O+ ?8 B
so銀行可以不斷放款5 H2 X7 M0 ?* ^- z
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: x4 \- d0 k0 E1 X0 l
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mortgage loan % \3 N" S' R" _' a  G
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)% u! t2 r& Q0 K& G5 v5 v
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation). W2 |5 v7 x* h( m8 U1 T
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& [/ P: N) R- P5 u' a. q+ gCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 k4 Z, Q" U  Z6 j$ ]' S* smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. ~' R& K0 r  b4 V( F; emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 G: d/ p7 D& J" `* B0 J% O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.  m+ M0 e) ~; D/ Q  y: S/ f
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# A* W: g7 S5 `7 _3 ^" [  m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  f( m/ H- b  H$ i5 u: {/ Nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # Y+ ^4 _, P; m+ }% ~. P3 o
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 j9 J4 A' m2 x9 sbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: r- ], X) j* \

' N1 H$ l/ `6 }1 q8 Q3 D3 U) @im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ T+ y% z; w" Y& ]0 c$ e8 x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, J4 g( ^, c; m0 z! AFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  [4 c1 `( j% r) d* h3 h+ QA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 l7 b' q$ y4 D
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , p9 V2 H: t& B3 [+ B- L5 r8 h
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. b" j7 z4 k5 J1 F* I
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 d6 U( v2 B) V- w7 @
Refer to last example,  ^: c) x2 Q) g4 M: U2 K
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
3 J9 S. d$ x* i/ |0 G) E3 UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 Z) N8 S0 v5 g) B0 o, F: ]therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
( y- o0 ^) _. K: X! H4 i7 Sso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 ~: S6 K# a9 c  W
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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3 P: L5 W; i: m/ b2 u. ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 s: E3 |- C& X0 R/ x( D1 u/ Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 q* k* ?  R; M; e: `; Q6 Lit's the problem of the debt itself." e$ v: o! i8 C8 U" J/ v
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! {1 T0 I8 l) w
小弟一直都唔明...2 V+ E' v# c, D8 K5 q& v
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?8 L* F: M, B* s8 @" W
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答9 `: Z$ p& z7 N; P, Y0 D' o
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  : f* P9 M3 t( t; ?7 E% J" J5 ?
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic& s; ]* A" z# z* O: D' v. u. N
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; V+ @- J; a" p5 B1 H3 s; y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' F# v* p+ M0 _% z; d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) b' `% C/ Q, s0 j( q個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
; @- F" a7 Y& m  G扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- |: S6 r' K7 B( G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺! T7 @4 ~" l; P5 w
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
6 x' s4 L# |' t2 \/ s# f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 O7 ^& w3 H4 D
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ {6 |  }' S4 g9 ~例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   S  r+ z; w8 z/ H/ p) k$ u; k) _
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
6 ^" l  D$ u7 C8 [7 E# J1 [所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 ~& [5 D4 B9 q4 v" p但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - X4 I% B4 T- n: v
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 h& C% p9 E" u2 Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& D& t. T; v. h% K) ?- _! D
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# m' C# r8 ?0 A4 O7 O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : ~3 n# _/ U% s) r( ]3 F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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: p2 v; y( B4 L$ m& r正係咁樣, i) O7 n5 }& Q  e
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 m3 U8 q. I, w# F$ H8 `7 v分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' K& k' e. ^- G: m; {# v6 N
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( h! O  h6 o9 Y4 N
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 t( {6 Q+ c- \& H
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 ~( B. A1 f2 {, K; |6 W
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
& ^! `# T; {: X而家就要多生產, 少消費
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