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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ ~9 F, ~3 I' l; i+ d% s0 ?Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
4 x& h+ j# L9 p/ s$ x* PI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
, p( }( a% j8 J& w7 ~6 Iso銀行可以不斷放款/ R: v/ E! P) [. ]
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 S4 t7 B; t- o  L7 ~( y* omortgage loan
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2 T4 T0 b3 g6 q0 R/ V" J3 ]* V0 P6 T>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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( E; d* L3 K! A>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# A/ S8 N& V; M! F5 q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ h+ X1 k% y9 q2 t) u* ?
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
0 Y; q4 R; p2 y- }% s+ X. Vmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.% X- C/ v  {2 M# ]# C& L+ _# q( E& y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# u8 H$ \( x% k4 [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. |& Y2 C& m: h% K8 J3 f  m
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, M! i% `9 ^/ Q8 c- b3 ?similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 Q3 V$ ~  e6 m8 \0 k( Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, {/ T  x8 X4 B0 W+ N$ e3 ]& Beg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& x  ^8 {/ C, h6 @3 j3 Hbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., a4 \. S! `" d$ ~$ `
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.9 B" q, a3 \5 }. J* d; B
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) ?& B5 I% \* c( {6 Y# {: C  @0 `A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; f: M9 B$ B/ P+ V( s. aThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " F; }- r  B# W' N
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.5 w" Z9 U4 i* Q0 l) W. x
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 U, M' I% P1 a/ `! ORefer to last example,
2 s' x, F3 z5 P8 k* B8 Lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ s  Q4 x8 U3 d5 X$ j) Q! E/ A% t
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 B: y- Y. _4 a7 ^- J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
- {3 A' M) }" G0 c5 Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 1 i+ X  z0 }, Z+ r
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ M+ ?/ c& L6 I5 b8 Z
it's the problem of the debt itself.( l4 z* E5 I3 |# y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" B7 \# j; Y# G/ R3 M小弟一直都唔明...& Z+ E: q- V: v( J( m+ Q! `4 `$ D$ f

* {  C  V& f& R, U9 D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( \7 X" m" m7 U' z! p! K% k
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
3 m9 Z) h) h$ |那些根本係 紙上財富  
9 m* t) e* q; y8 y/ Y2 E  \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ _- F6 x9 K+ ~1 d" }
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- N/ S; i  D6 ~0 x3 R
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- }9 F# k1 x& A4 x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 C& v4 `. ?$ E0 @  P3 t1 B
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( u& `# H  r7 c. [% d3 g5 c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ r  _8 t1 e: K. k- i/ |) e
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  M- s7 G+ l# C0 Z. }) P! `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法; Y" E" V* X  d1 a  n7 ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( `% Z0 ^. K3 [/ _0 n2 r; D. d但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- C2 d/ q5 n. u* `' W例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) Q  Q& D$ l6 \/ ~( N5 K" A咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 L6 T9 v# v4 t4 T4 p" D
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% G) T1 X2 r& w1 E3 I/ o

: t( g7 c& X" r. b$ N/ K1 f你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   B+ L0 R0 h# w* O
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 D7 U% S& I: M5 c6 f# t3 d
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 g2 \/ o3 L5 K# F+ ]  ]3 F& l" t2 B
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ m2 w1 g+ i  d- {4 e; R
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, m  y8 w5 H0 F0 A  ], N( ]唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: H) ~! g! }3 [) _5 e& B& n/ n2 U/ W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' ?1 ]- K. b$ q9 n% j/ S
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& g& L0 d" \/ T( m9 t/ Y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
$ a1 k8 i% |3 g  z" T5 s* v/ l其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 ]. X- X% U8 V( m9 G連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ ?! q5 y7 P' c1 m! F  z6 I  ?一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, F3 N& w4 d+ Y+ [0 K8 d% g3 e& ^3 U
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ L! e$ h  Y0 M
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
8 N5 y4 ~( k$ f0 P# F3 H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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