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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" w4 p: K# {' L8 lWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???0 g& |+ O9 L3 ]9 D
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
& U$ j9 x8 Y1 T% t! dso銀行可以不斷放款
8 S7 T/ A) @( X# S( Q美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- }3 k) H9 l3 O! e/ y3 Y; U

" z3 v  J" z+ e( ~mortgage loan
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1 C( F. n4 o+ P2 Z3 L, C7 C6 s# C) V>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" F  i7 s! `9 o
>arranger
! {* P) E9 s2 A8 }>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* v9 @" A' H* y2 c- K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- K: r' }& G) V! ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* y4 ]8 D1 m: g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ W3 O3 Y0 L7 e) b- o; Bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
/ K- x- @% A5 S# `) `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
" D7 A3 s6 M$ @4 c6 Y* S/ S$ qsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,. E% X2 i1 w: W# z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 J& Y) G: K, a: `
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" Z7 m3 s& Z! P4 `( dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) a! b7 {0 m# @) ?
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 \- S2 L& ~9 I  l& Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 N- v+ B9 b# V' ?
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 H, ^2 t6 e/ @3 R! S
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction." G5 X( D7 i: A* j' A
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# ~* T- t4 z8 o0 e& i' m( l$ O- ~7 Ubut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! a; H8 q, t6 D/ o

' c7 k. s! ~* L, {  p[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 s* G1 m$ s9 e: v! A& e/ |
Refer to last example,
; b3 @; c! T  |" B* d1 c$ nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ( p" z4 J0 ?( q" h. N* e2 G, [
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  {" x) |6 l. s1 `( t* Itherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 d& I/ U3 `0 s; {% u+ d$ AA->B->C->D->E
! l4 a; K4 i, I. ]+ j& N8 Uso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
/ Q) M1 S: |& Y- j! sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 h3 f6 M( X$ w
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  B1 R9 r$ ]# n% o9 Q* e1 x: athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 H$ C! a) i4 Kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! ?: |8 h# W2 W4 R8 y) o( S+ l! uit's the problem of the debt itself.
8 v$ w% ^! h+ J, q0 |' Gthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" p3 e! E, [4 @: _& @8 h4 I小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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! d* v# k' J7 `# P" H% R5 c# N無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答. v( U$ p( `: {! i! b
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Thanks
# D% L& Y0 o( u! m那些根本係 紙上財富  
% p  ~+ h4 ]7 l8 v+ e2 d- V6 H各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- |% l' {4 l& K( R4 F- H2 T- F

! E/ U  F$ B& ~* z  Hhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 w) N" o+ t, s- r$ g) B
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高7 }: [# w( L1 r! i3 h+ Y4 X* ]
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 s: r' Q( M; U+ j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦0 {- P! g% d# {; Q
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,, ?3 a% j/ r! l9 `
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" x2 q7 U4 }$ F. {* Z  P7 z前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法8 Y6 p0 F: N; ^0 U' M- O
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' B; j: d' ]* J6 v# M& ~
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 {4 n/ N6 T! X7 M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; H4 ?$ U- j3 e" Y5 j咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
' l/ Y+ Y1 I! A' O$ P7 u% _所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 p0 E6 `: m, |, t4 k6 ^

$ Q% v2 Y0 J6 o$ w+ C- o* `你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( j7 @" s5 j# S% M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 T4 e$ R( `) p. x& J0 M. v淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% @4 m1 S3 W# I+ q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
% {3 r" @! t' Y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 t$ K+ m; ~, P5 d唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. H: _& T. W# A% ~) g& y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" ^' n7 b/ N9 r* w9 v3 G呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. |, Y% w2 G0 Q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
" Y! E; x8 P% |+ w5 A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 ~/ x1 l0 i0 c% S: U& T
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 O3 m) P  @1 d3 ]' K" R( E
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  d; Q: R3 N) r% G+ g* V( w一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" p# K- [% Q0 A2 x, v- Y編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& f+ v9 s1 Q, `& J" j. O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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" o$ T: s* k; h* z/ h8 M' c其實係...
/ g: V* z* D4 D3 J' |, v4 Z因為以前未生產, 先消費
' r9 ]; y/ o6 t/ ^* ?而家就要多生產, 少消費
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