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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: t" g3 Z8 w' H4 a0 \
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???4 L$ Q- z: W+ y: J! _$ J" n
I was so confused.....
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" P% Z* |% Q+ I9 n! w講到尾都係賺錢- Q* l# t+ X# w- f
so銀行可以不斷放款
2 B9 t' B: E3 [! E$ p7 y3 W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& \- o8 k0 Q9 z1 x5 h# Y' F
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mortgage loan : b* v4 q, j  y# t
>conduit' m  d3 V) [( F7 X2 U: y5 E
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
' V  D* l, v# Q# a; q最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return., b( `+ |0 H- X9 w. E& a
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 w# A) f1 k" i* s6 E6 b9 O
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.8 }9 X( n# {5 S! }
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" u6 I0 d- s: Y0 K9 W9 Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 i  T# y: E" y% i" {Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
  W6 i, S" L5 ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
+ n, K' N% H0 \, Mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
4 v+ z/ e5 j- o; x( `eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 5 o" V  {3 }( X  ]' H
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.  x) l4 z7 Q) X3 c$ z  G) K
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  m, c1 _; E4 ]* V, |, G/ @in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" Z/ r/ {2 O5 k' o4 P$ d9 HFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 D  C8 T; m4 q8 V
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 f" t4 L$ F0 M$ ]# hThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 P# P" ~& p' f) ibut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 B$ D" M, r! ARefer to last example,: J$ j4 N* S% j6 [
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & O- s+ @! A0 n( M, @/ V
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % }* }0 i7 ]! O7 a& o# ~% h
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 b* [" d1 A( y( u% U7 JA->B->C->D->E
/ u* m2 j8 ]% j" O( z% t0 q8 O+ e; Qso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 f9 G9 O4 x- H( K' R" F8 H1 zall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 L$ M6 `9 y/ y/ x6 O

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. e: [' N9 T3 Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
( p' t+ w8 \1 n9 n; Sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 j8 H& n, \0 ~, S  i5 Q: C- n! [it's the problem of the debt itself.
3 k# x' s) S- X# Jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 {9 C5 [+ k6 Q小弟一直都唔明...( Y% v1 ]  U$ i/ h& |, y

# n- D7 T5 R" D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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; }) I# x1 w* H* m敬請各師兄解答* P' ?: C* k& _7 W* j9 i+ |
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Thanks
8 e9 B1 q* B( }  F那些根本係 紙上財富  5 B4 i7 M" l: i+ |9 o" x. \  F
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 B/ l* y  l' f$ i- l6 Q7 a0 J6 r
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: C& Y  d6 K' r- Z' Y0 c當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高8 }. [' R; V& H- R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( S. z! G& b, A個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦7 G# D7 j1 I( D. L' k
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
! g4 f  x5 n6 L" e' f6 y; v7 P計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* J9 n" i! B2 a! ]' P* R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. ?' b7 D4 v) [6 M+ J7 e' w2 v- W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* w8 I! a  c" D# V* l
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺5 _% ?) K3 ?% c) K1 g1 u" y. F
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 h/ q0 N( r" ~) C7 H; ?9 Y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 i* Z( b" i: N" A8 P所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 r8 Y% x* J% I( w6 s4 m! B

0 k5 Q( Q) N5 z你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! h  a% w/ C8 X8 K8 \( d1 ^
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 ?, u) x: T/ c" K' W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ M9 r) P, k$ K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- U+ l  d0 Q& P9 V1 u6 `" w
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# Y* n+ f3 w7 I正係咁樣  k1 t& [  c( J; V: W# z, M
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) u6 F' q4 [( M- G
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ H# K0 E( i) o

2 L  \' b9 W3 g1 r$ d1 e; t再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
# g3 p( K7 `9 a2 v# E" g6 ~連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
4 Z- \1 u8 R* p. t2 g$ t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ c. x$ y( O  C- n編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% ^# i2 a8 g- Q. T+ q; @, Z咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費- H: ]) u% @' W6 m5 H& B3 }0 i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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