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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 b! j8 w' \% `! x4 X8 ?3 _, u  ^Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???7 {4 `) Q% H) l7 K
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
; z( a9 |) V5 t: b; g8 G" t; Aso銀行可以不斷放款
% v$ h9 x. N* C美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: f6 T$ L$ c: `8 m# a: g

! D" M) p3 O( M  E' W  p4 Wmortgage loan
# B5 R8 _+ X+ a/ w9 z/ Q>conduit
7 T2 a, w; n. s; @+ p0 I>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
% ]" S# m- j+ Q>arranger
& ^: n% B1 x1 r# J$ O8 [>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ r5 C! D! N( T0 H9 b& ?, b+ T& s
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 ]& f  r* i- P- u! _
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; M% }2 I- G1 N, C0 y( I+ ~
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 u3 {# Y  i# `; Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 X( ^: y$ O$ t! o8 vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& Q- R4 S* P/ V
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  L' B# u0 ^! G5 b+ s2 U
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ E" B) C! e$ Q) H- M9 w7 j5 t2 J  k
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ u( `5 F( l3 o5 q  a% y$ [
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) g7 |, Q, s" i: g& n
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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8 H* L  @  r2 Kim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; {! I. ~1 e+ T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
5 p6 m0 k3 r& V* a* z/ `For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% \( R+ }7 q" i% MA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 T1 R/ S* p' J: _- J, C/ n$ N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 Y! v" r7 B( `& n" A3 sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: M6 A9 g6 \) O7 k/ i[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, z; l0 a( i0 _. _" m9 @Refer to last example,
. X. K. h6 e2 w3 w( s* Othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% ~: X7 f6 P! s; W$ {9 Y9 kBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ! W4 h. z. K1 ]/ t: [1 f% H1 L; [
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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6 z% {" N7 y5 Tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " Q( H$ N" _( U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % W8 v- ~7 b# |: u( y
it's the problem of the debt itself.
0 N( m/ Q9 j2 \0 \' y1 rthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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- d+ v4 ?9 S/ }; G全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 m3 J: ?5 X3 f. r
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ) v; }$ }7 y5 ?  C* r! f% o4 B
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% f0 g, u+ \* w, M% J0 U5 u

5 ?  E# Y# Q, n+ d8 ?. y1 S- ehttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) S0 z8 U" W- `1 R& g2 v( b- c6 {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 [) ]9 @! k" E& f& e
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: q" @) n& m6 I3 W2 a( h9 t$ I- Q; P個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# w6 G/ J+ Y* R7 q3 u
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 S; }' ^0 K3 \3 t, h8 F2 E
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
+ Q# a9 n# }7 M0 S9 A前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: M: |' ]; R0 t1 _( }5 a6 E同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% a. Z' k) E7 k2 w: s' @6 h2 F
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 l: a/ y& r7 K0 n; N1 @
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 `) Q8 k  t/ r: Z! O咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 u/ i+ K2 R  v* Q0 s所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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% j3 ^4 v( k/ {& ~5 s# V你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 n- @9 a& Z  K9 @' D5 m! e8 f
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 J9 `. }. |! A% Q/ H8 D8 k/ m
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # Z2 d& j, V: H( S  R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 _5 L- d: v: B. a唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 [( f# L9 ?; A$ h( B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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, H3 n6 q& `1 p0 A正係咁樣) s9 ?! a" r7 g: j0 o* s4 c
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. K+ [2 J& v9 k+ M
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' t% j" K* ?/ C, N7 z: F' B

+ K7 q, T: U& G0 m. \; x  a再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) B& F! |  v- g$ P
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票2 K. |8 d! u2 K$ K+ N( r0 z  A- R
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 v) M9 g4 k/ G0 F編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; d2 K8 r+ Z1 b: ?咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 t" `; g" w9 _# R
因為以前未生產, 先消費6 L' m! }% ?0 ^/ U+ a; b/ D
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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