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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 O( C9 e: s* u- _" S$ S$ H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 n# Q* C* V" v* s4 Q0 jI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 @( x( e+ c/ q; R; D

& W- b3 z/ [) w  imortgage loan
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$ F4 i( H$ N' S$ m! i! l>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)% H0 Z7 s, P9 H& C& n  c
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 \8 B  p9 O0 ^/ B% G# ^  ACDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,. |: J  C  j3 V( D3 W: H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 |1 Z- c) O( {8 L
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,% d4 C# i( O+ x$ D$ X0 w$ @
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, y* b0 b5 U. \! ^" V9 YAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.) ]' P$ h8 a4 M
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,! O/ Z6 `1 N/ C9 [) r' u
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 b# g: g5 T! b
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 Y0 U! ]  S" }; J3 ^9 L2 K
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 R2 @( w" [8 A$ U' t: I
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 G; m! z3 z+ ?in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 F8 v+ g. W& [' c1 L: qFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; X6 i( _1 k6 y0 i
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# ~: O2 G) g* V, a, yThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % r2 L" p( }4 c0 I2 J# T3 `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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+ o, a  @- S6 I, |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ c4 C6 {2 Q# L" }% t# d
Refer to last example,5 V6 F2 ]6 ]# d
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 E! b/ Q" L; @/ \# k
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
+ p8 W9 p" o6 ^( i/ d) D* c+ Ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 V" B7 g# X- V6 X0 I/ eA->B->C->D->E
8 o8 B# i5 l, cso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 z' i, i/ J$ I1 sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 p/ ~4 H. a6 x2 G. N6 I

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/ u3 s( O. a# m: {1 U7 O! Hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 }- n6 W  ], g
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . v. V9 n2 F' M$ J
it's the problem of the debt itself.
$ n( F! S; h6 |. B  Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 A' v% }+ c- i5 [, r8 }
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( Q# U' M( M  M1 y7 w

& n8 f, T1 {1 K/ p無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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( S$ w4 T" d+ b% b敬請各師兄解答1 E2 E8 m2 m( i# J. j9 k- E0 l, O2 }

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( r* K5 d! ~  x; q0 \0 c6 I) D+ `2 t那些根本係 紙上財富  ' w6 k- g4 {" a$ ^, r& d
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 e! E! \3 m2 u% ~http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產0 w, A4 V2 C1 g% N; a6 p* ?
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ i: b1 e  c; {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# H: B0 P( @2 ^, L+ [個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 k4 s$ p/ d+ G! F1 Q扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 b& O# x9 Z8 g) j5 C$ l3 |4 n
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  ^% I7 L8 j& D: D  M8 v- s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& q% A6 t* b+ ]9 x( L
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 Q' ~/ @6 s! F" Z/ {
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& H; \/ z2 x5 @* `0 d例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 ~2 S4 R* c" e3 I" R; c& _咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%/ v) O) C2 c( u) z; X, a; X
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" X# F! _) q' g4 }+ t
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - j# I' X4 k( v9 @$ O
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. b' [* B2 u; A2 W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% I2 K6 t! ~5 {! C; K% ]% G呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  y4 j9 E& e5 y* a2 g唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 e4 b2 \! |% |: m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   n, h: \0 {2 \  y% @" a! k: v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. h) ~, N7 x1 K- @
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
4 m! `  P( T; Y! R" k' Q其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 E. r1 _8 g+ \; _
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 U' J6 i% X6 C; D( ?
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 x) y4 [# g# l. t& }
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
* n- G- e1 D8 N, b8 u  @5 R一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
2 u9 [7 ]3 P4 T4 S% `編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. J! @0 h" t0 H8 m
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
# F. w' Q7 e* R! V7 f, g  t2 g因為以前未生產, 先消費
. P; T2 v2 L/ l0 g! |/ a# |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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