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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 q, L( R  s; S. e5 u4 ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" W. Z4 U2 j5 W5 h, Q/ t; |4 ^% v
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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+ a8 y. N8 ?. Y/ s8 {mortgage loan
' n; T: K3 `& d  f5 i8 n- x  E( T1 x>conduit
* A0 ]1 M3 k4 k, o) ]0 R. T6 X0 U>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; i) ], r# r1 d' f3 R1 O
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
4 \5 F4 y, v$ ~+ W& v/ e/ nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; O3 F" c2 u9 v' v( N  Rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
# l' i, U5 L2 f! C3 Ain other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 u+ B: `$ y3 V* w" s& a' ?) |Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ k" W% f2 N& a1 _
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,! q* ?8 s/ a" }: J: d, L
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ }- V8 G. d+ h* deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / F' V& ~8 \  D6 [
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 Y1 @7 q7 E+ |
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: L) f! n) l: w: i4 B4 W2 p
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
' g2 _7 W' h. ?; V, J5 @/ _For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% h) ]- X  o; O) u$ zA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.; ~0 Y, B+ H$ t# E. d
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
3 A& \+ O. {8 y5 {but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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. W' b6 v7 s6 T$ F" w0 [[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- j7 @( G3 P+ O8 c  FRefer to last example,: p; \8 D3 |" d3 ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ ?3 S. j: T2 }- }- rBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / `# w' v) e3 }  t$ z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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- c. V& v9 f& j) F- O  u9 hA->B->C->D->E
) a6 a. e3 @1 A% f2 c" B- V0 E/ Y  Lso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
! s+ M2 j* e$ ^all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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( |% b* U8 i$ B7 O3 ?the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) U0 t$ N, u  d7 U5 q; i
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 ~5 I, V5 ]3 i& @- |' x
it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ @% x. ^0 g0 z4 B9 A) b' lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 |4 c7 ~! T, e5 j+ J6 W' N/ e/ m) g小弟一直都唔明.../ J  L9 J2 b4 S( `8 ]
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 F9 z2 b+ A+ v/ R2 n& J

: w2 `. z/ C" g無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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1 A2 K6 a) D6 I+ D& e" Y敬請各師兄解答. \3 d- b" E7 ?# V' H1 l" L

1 V8 j# c, P) |. t) \! N% uThanks
4 r' v3 R- o/ h( V. S那些根本係 紙上財富  " V4 D3 P1 h* X1 W7 U/ O* k- x+ E0 G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic. \0 c5 d0 R# o$ {. X$ I

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" M8 q# L+ x2 W' ^* U
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; u8 o. p. [' l6 ^4 ?2 C於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! K! x0 X& r6 t9 J% o
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  Y4 Z( X2 l" n7 I2 m2 v扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( P. y% d7 r: a7 Z6 P$ f( Q
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* r" f6 l. h, I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# a3 [2 w4 {, T3 m
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" w# U/ P) V, }9 D+ f6 ?' ?- j
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. u* w, E2 x5 J* O( P
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
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所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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# z: e" x. |/ P0 T7 F你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, r9 n6 D' ?$ O/ G! U但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' e8 t  V+ W1 X4 z: L+ h
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 c2 y3 F7 A( \" h' I: C  p1 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ {: T9 O. m7 d7 h
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 r8 f: }2 j0 v  [) ?
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 w1 P$ Q+ _8 ?# d6 v5 I8 g* E咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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" _& V6 n) ?$ K* k7 {, Q' H0 c0 o正係咁樣, d, n  \8 o: I) y7 D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業( Q6 X& s# M  }2 y* f2 p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ L- R3 a3 ]$ [+ i1 o
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票; ]1 S7 {: I( ]* V+ }
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產0 q) i  x2 ?7 B3 ]& |) I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 \" C1 s5 H/ N7 J6 a咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: N& n# R  \" n' C
因為以前未生產, 先消費, A7 O( o# L' U3 [6 f
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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