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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; c! _& s7 L! U& e+ [/ P! F0 W# qWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???$ s. S8 b! j8 u' |# H) g* Q
I was so confused.....
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  W6 }8 m3 D! d1 C0 j2 ?5 `講到尾都係賺錢+ D! E0 N5 m4 H. o5 `- A1 Q
so銀行可以不斷放款
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mortgage loan
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% k4 J, d6 ~6 f6 B, j# ~# a>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return., e* I# j+ W: i8 U8 ~
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 N# ^% w& {& r, ?
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.5 N  U8 s: h1 t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 @# w3 e1 r1 r% x- }3 e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.8 Q: P" R1 |. k* V- Z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 O) j; r2 F; L- Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% [( `& ]& v, R& M2 x* C9 P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 v3 {- Y+ ~9 m$ C1 B* Q' {* keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 R' S. u$ m1 rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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- l1 k9 R- @7 z& Q; w% M* J4 g. qim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 J' ?, |  `- N6 h( hin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.  P5 I" f( X! V3 p) A' W
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
& z0 v  l$ w" {; P$ SA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.2 U8 b  f/ n1 e
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
; Y* n8 P7 l9 o+ ]2 Sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# O. F, z5 i6 o' e, F
Refer to last example,* L: a3 H  T, D2 ]8 w
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. i! l) e" Y" X2 q' Y3 r+ u! F: r$ s, UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" H% X! g6 Z* s: {2 I8 M5 Ytherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ N+ w: k! m$ u# O. o4 ~A->B->C->D->E
- b, q$ E6 J) hso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
8 o* S4 @# H" X' A' N+ Ball the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ n0 `5 i- _: \, d$ [
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 U. Z% {6 |4 s" Y1 X! Bit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 W+ r( C0 N5 r  Jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# |- N( d9 |1 K: Z小弟一直都唔明...
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. v  }* T* F; w. r& @5 H8 E" B' I全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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# G$ J' R& p0 G) U  l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ S( z% L$ ~- p: J; ?' D

  ]. f' Y+ Y" C' w9 T& r敬請各師兄解答3 }% o7 o; ?+ m: p. D; D

  S% }, r  i5 B0 IThanks
5 s$ w/ s3 _) L那些根本係 紙上財富  
- u# g( }( e1 p- W& d9 Q各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 N' V" P0 p3 t, h. q/ m' C% @

; d9 [0 l# N7 A' Ihttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. J3 u4 U% V6 ?/ v* z. x* W, g: ?當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 ^' `& n4 T0 i9 V* b( g* E* H
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
% H) o6 i; C1 f4 \# e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& T3 T7 M0 B7 y! m6 l
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) [6 y1 L5 u6 N
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 H) u2 J: P, @/ g  Z$ s& s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& q! I+ U9 S9 F4 \' K$ u/ o同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 x- N0 C+ L" L/ `; \9 e% Q# Q6 D' ~9 p, c
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  }2 h/ Y# P2 @: }' e例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 O9 V/ l/ v4 P' k  e+ b
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" [2 [8 ]4 p" R) D
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 g2 B1 q& p( Q: a+ {; M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 7 N5 J. u2 w- i6 `: [
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 t* K$ i4 r, I/ O# m* W1 M, R% l7 ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' l% H/ b/ q/ v  Q' G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; |3 }8 c: E2 H4 D: L* X
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # }1 ^! o6 o7 K! I" e% R: p0 F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . U" P1 q, s, R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' t0 a7 @0 A- `+ |' {2 T4 x9 J6 H' L0 I
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% w7 N9 X! g( C/ Q正係咁樣
# r4 k  D% @1 N; X其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& L8 a  R) c# ]: u, i分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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9 m! k! U. n5 H9 [+ a# `3 C再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) q& x" c# h# b連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, C9 U3 u6 z: c
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 m$ m* o& Q  p. |/ u; F
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, ?6 r; Z. }2 F咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
& p0 S/ |& |  ~0 J! j5 k$ B# u因為以前未生產, 先消費* d$ I+ d1 E  x/ [* O; P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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