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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% Z( d8 _# m- @
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" x) M9 K" }- @& k' l
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
+ j% O7 d% H+ V. I; uso銀行可以不斷放款) N- ?2 I; R% X  B* C0 A/ M
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 x' M- N! n- n- o% F: J$ |( _
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mortgage loan 6 K% c) k; \- o3 _, E+ `- p
>conduit
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( |$ Z1 ?" S. Q/ k
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 W- ]  @: j2 g3 P6 N6 E4 L
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 @. J5 f( X+ I  [( Y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 E7 S* f( e5 T- `
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." X2 A6 K6 r) a- K
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: D0 D/ f3 y  D9 t6 U) p3 ~
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  t2 l0 \) u* ]! C
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# D/ l7 k% a% }5 `# D  @eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . G. K$ a+ @$ k
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.' v# j8 w3 d1 Y9 T% }$ I5 `. Z
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) m* v+ D% x$ O& w: c0 X' D  N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.; C" X7 r+ E/ y1 D0 W( a
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 w+ S5 ^" m% I0 k3 U& F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.8 }6 ]8 {& W; A; H, F$ [2 [0 }4 {8 o
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : \% q% N8 V2 O# n
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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6 M2 ?: i) z6 F8 a3 {% Z[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" R& }; Y( P+ Y
Refer to last example," I9 k1 Z5 M6 u: t* W) B1 h& y+ q
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * S0 n4 j( ?+ j, R: X
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 8 _; ^1 Y# E; h, ]' t
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E7 I* s0 y( ~' J; i. v' R
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, * D! I/ Y5 d: v9 b, q3 B* g9 D
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! T0 k4 u$ h' S; {! k
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- a7 b- I' B+ Ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ Y8 B  u: y6 d; G/ F6 C/ }in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  |; r, m7 s) r( Eit's the problem of the debt itself.
6 I6 K8 P: D& b+ A" \6 Zthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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' a, f' W: [) q! M全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., ~) G$ F' v: Q) V' i) A
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
- s0 Z: e" c4 J那些根本係 紙上財富  & r: G  k+ g* H
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% d. x+ i& ]6 J  s+ N
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- T' E& X+ y, |2 F3 Q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) ]" J) f& F; P- t" u7 j個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 z7 [9 s4 u0 J2 w9 Q扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 L% r! y9 G# R" ]8 G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' _; ~$ X8 l' Q  g6 k前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& h5 P/ X8 s% a+ O. V& @+ W$ p& [9 U
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  J% _( r; x% e, M
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& Y+ l+ T% n# \, y* p例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - ^( E( P! Y1 A! f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' E$ C% ?& i2 X; F- d& z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! \: p" z! B/ g' ?! m2 C
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 P% K3 |/ E  y" i0 f$ b6 b% c' y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 `5 I* P) n8 K; C0 b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 w) {+ }4 R% N  [* S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣0 h9 K( f* ^' r' i' j9 d
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: M% {: ~. C2 o; E! n
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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4 C! z7 \6 T% j' z( m" h再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 [( S  t) d; y  T8 x( X1 Z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票7 z. p+ i* g9 f. T2 w4 `. U
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 U' Z  f" o; M% z; ?" R
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ l2 L1 U, Z: o, z; T' g3 z5 ~/ j, Y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費- I- }% a  K5 ?' _, y4 @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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