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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- `+ _: e0 v2 b5 s/ hWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
, h; {% D% `* u7 p: QI was so confused.....
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$ l* ^# Q9 R! z4 M: m講到尾都係賺錢
. s" `! i8 q% r. Rso銀行可以不斷放款
+ b4 g6 i) L* K& w% Y& y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( _- x' ?7 T9 c  E
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mortgage loan $ g: z: Q7 h: G
>conduit
' k: C& Q1 q  C  X2 r>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ @- H. \2 N- o6 t
>arranger  P2 x3 e+ J+ p
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation), \. u5 J2 t1 k8 Y6 `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 t; g* b* F8 v. u/ A# e: k
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 p5 y& P# p* e2 Z8 z7 qmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; H1 ?) E! [7 I5 i% d$ _* A( }' \main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
/ l5 G4 ]; p- M6 x4 _0 c5 a/ vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.4 g7 m. M9 H0 t, x# n
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, V2 f/ Q" m  Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ c) Q) A8 G$ F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - z7 W) u7 D/ k6 w4 _
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! }9 x1 i, g. O3 ]; Y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 w1 [. G0 U  b1 G  l& Y% X& }
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; `6 }. F: B; E
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. n( u  `& ?, j0 E; pFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,6 L2 J7 W8 `+ Z; _2 g, B  y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% d  Y) e, k) H6 G
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , u6 F" X, l) b  _2 u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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# J3 |! u% w7 R[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- D4 z* y- V7 [+ m1 l9 x% Q0 ~! cRefer to last example,' k) r. P! L' m* x; V: N9 M
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
  a, W# d4 e: O, m: V* B! UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 w+ X' p0 n$ j; v, M; ?0 k% ytherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( B8 S" |- z2 L% z+ gA->B->C->D->E( H0 D& ~0 q4 B
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, & g  {7 v$ \* @, x6 C8 p3 B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 T& S' N  y+ cin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . l) ]$ r% ?  z( z! V
it's the problem of the debt itself.! S7 H% e7 r9 w* o) L  {
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# i5 J7 y- n6 Y) t! ~- F小弟一直都唔明...& V( y& _! @1 L

. Z$ T% g* r. J- _7 m8 z: @4 w全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 S. j' E: g# x& I
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答) t4 |2 u, L$ v9 d; J) {' U. ?5 c
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " _: G: q$ o% n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ o8 M. V' C& m  o. {
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ L/ p5 Y. @9 L6 l0 o: b7 ~於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ O. b- }* E: h+ u2 a% u9 A個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* s" d# Q3 Z/ I  A9 q; `' w
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) V* I! A/ w& U1 N1 _! r+ O, p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 _6 B0 r2 x5 F- D) g, f' u+ M
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法# a7 n2 T" q+ a* f+ p# _: `
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 t; C+ i' |! r但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 U8 d/ e9 T- n  j  k4 m例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + A. I+ g2 K0 T* d
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# _8 t- W, ?- P3 N4 z所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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9 E7 R8 |, K0 }! [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, % Q9 E( _$ T! h
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 _( s1 s6 w+ @9 k; m* a! H1 Y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / i2 ^  W3 g( q2 v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: q0 Y( ^0 ]1 M! V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& ^9 f2 f6 b& O5 O8 [
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / C# ]: ]7 y, h# T( W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 T! K) O: a& I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
0 v8 u5 g7 k, j, c. F/ O咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 F& j, j- y; u5 z' R正係咁樣
7 I4 y8 ?4 L/ V1 p$ h1 `其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 z- w: Z0 ?& n) p5 ?3 H: I( b3 u
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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' p2 A9 Q$ j$ ^% Z; j- P, \2 C再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* Y7 M3 g9 r  R' f7 L  O1 S
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  j. m9 y9 H& L' g# m. A
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產/ Y1 F7 Q3 l; `1 I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- O' z3 o. k% T6 L4 K. T0 g咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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4 Q, z9 x9 Q+ L; Q# R! F2 C% E其實係...6 X- @. d- R3 j
因為以前未生產, 先消費1 w; K7 u% J, ?9 G9 c
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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