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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" L% @9 w% Q6 t8 u4 M0 |Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: B& g  ^) r/ `# R2 A) W
I was so confused.....
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) e5 S9 T3 U4 B) @1 W講到尾都係賺錢: |5 S- h0 }* v* m
so銀行可以不斷放款
1 Y( G) z" X# y) I6 Z* [2 o4 r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- L4 t/ k7 |( r4 Y1 I
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mortgage loan : g3 g* J* N0 M" \8 m! A" ]
>conduit
9 k2 G0 K% ^4 O* E1 [- y/ {% Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' A0 u& V( z1 _
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation): a. ~0 l) z% m6 O
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; t7 v1 ?) Y' kCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
4 ]2 n. K" d6 U! i1 omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., B* A  C% B% z9 S- J
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( L  X6 m. _0 w" g& Lin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- \; e8 Z" e9 k. A, w) D. {Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 }1 w5 c1 \. m9 j& w: W' w
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 }2 \  C# o# Z* Lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
. D( K- P+ o! I% Beg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" f4 ~  X- c8 t& D( f* ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. n% n  p3 Q- R9 _5 z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; L% @9 r% m( g; d& g6 J3 YFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 K4 {9 }" A& IA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
9 f# H4 q: ~  E, ]2 z3 d7 F  a+ mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 h! L- {. g# ^$ C- J* xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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  t5 L( L8 a4 j+ C, E, s+ j; U  |- j[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 w% p5 {0 s4 {
Refer to last example,6 p0 u/ w. Z' s- e5 S8 `. @6 I0 m
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! Y( h4 T4 h% P; `8 g9 eBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 A% e% \3 `, ^( f6 M! i  c
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( _/ b( o  b- G4 H* Q  H8 i# U2 EA->B->C->D->E* G% c5 h9 D, O4 a
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, + Y( \  f9 y& x- H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: a6 o3 E" ?2 @: Q* J

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! r4 b( A; j6 ]* n2 I" e8 X/ I% Cthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 T% n, \! j7 E; T, l
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % j# o' _0 t: Q8 h" }4 v3 A
it's the problem of the debt itself.9 q$ ~6 ]9 w3 V/ j6 d
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* X, q* z. L/ {+ B, a
小弟一直都唔明...
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) J+ j5 u! F$ J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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: p7 U- u, H8 F3 @7 ~4 R敬請各師兄解答: U' w) h9 e' F* u& q, u2 h
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Thanks
% S) K3 }  C" l8 |那些根本係 紙上財富  
; G2 l' J8 u" h0 {% t* D" G各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 r+ c3 u# A7 c6 n3 j6 f8 t1 a
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 _9 I+ t! p8 Y; x# F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
! @# E* [8 e9 j! B% @8 W( V; d於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊) l! q" X# k) a  f8 N' z+ i
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: Q1 x" x' S$ Y- c. K扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 v: N9 n; k8 a7 u6 B; V/ ]+ m, G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  r* v8 ]) f$ A( X) \0 Y3 T
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 H& A& t6 ~. Q5 D同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' e) I; E4 S' T3 B7 F4 m, V
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 u0 L; u% h9 S! [. X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% }, l( A& c3 A3 W& f+ k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: Q7 m: R* m6 r! ?2 L
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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* A/ [, Q! @! O* h7 c$ ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & A& J. f. ^& L. J1 o6 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 g2 J1 ?6 j4 O! T$ o3 G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( ]9 v3 p! M( z/ ?& h' e( D# r+ ?' S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" i6 I# Z0 l7 w! Y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 p+ c# ~4 F3 G: K8 Q唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 J0 o/ U1 f( l$ ~/ a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 Y% A+ r. F' g% H4 O( H7 x  y7 t正係咁樣$ x: k: [  w. D, b
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
- Y8 D; L4 B! q0 d# n分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" R6 H# U. p/ U% c4 D再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, Q/ T7 Q0 X' S) h連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& d# C6 w9 A) s5 G' [7 f4 X) S一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 q4 {; U3 r6 C5 R3 [& g
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; I' C+ M9 C) h+ L4 Z" e& g* o咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: ~, F2 k6 N0 i/ ]9 @# g' k, s" u其實係...
5 U3 `" L# _3 f% g' x% T% J因為以前未生產, 先消費
( e! s4 ^+ R# P# v, Y  t# A而家就要多生產, 少消費
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