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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& L. _0 u' R5 v0 A' W6 R$ f  TWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???' `9 M) Y9 U% x5 x* M
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
( l8 O, s8 d1 U5 {2 E5 s/ _so銀行可以不斷放款
/ f, G4 o4 @6 }4 K1 X7 r美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ t7 h8 B2 t- L) n& T
>arranger
/ s3 U5 N8 a  v' a' ~5 h>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)+ m% Y2 g8 h2 m6 U! `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.7 t9 B( Q. e. p
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ B& n; @6 `8 r/ `
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
4 _3 @, ?2 B8 l9 K; tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
- }! j0 r& h9 S; ]' Rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ i$ h% e0 Z% ~* a$ `+ ^9 n$ e. U4 g* L
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 Q) Y8 ?( k) j  t) b# Wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ u3 j& ?5 {$ m$ W. Y" ]
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& b  f2 [3 H4 \5 k/ N& I, y- Leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " P# r" N3 q+ d+ B- N
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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2 s# C7 Y  ]3 v9 yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 t4 Z2 N' T( v7 ^; O
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- E4 j- R% H' n
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
: _$ _! H4 N/ m. D1 N' y1 ZA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 R4 h% {: h" _, i
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / |% a( O9 B3 ^
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.' V4 K! p" H. B% G5 G% W. Q

4 |# v0 y+ e3 v+ l[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ `/ E; ]$ F) ~% ]' }# k" H
Refer to last example,. n$ J8 e1 x; ~, q8 [( v- K& S  m
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + I; U' U7 n+ x+ r4 B$ |
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ w3 s4 A) x% ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' D0 |* z/ y2 x9 ^: t3 @
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 8 v) H, P1 ^/ U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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9 r' P8 v- m7 othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 w: p3 H, J6 M  o5 ~: L+ N* m
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; Z/ l  o: |5 p$ f8 H% q; b
it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 Y! l" y! g  Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 i8 v& y# i( Q0 F
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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7 `) b; h9 e. y: M: X敬請各師兄解答
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% L6 a, p0 b" s7 ?  N& X1 a! N$ rThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " z& P0 s* L1 z$ o
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ I* l  f$ S0 B( J0 W+ E當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ g3 G8 m4 A( d4 l. ]0 [# C5 x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
& R8 ^% D% w& ^% T個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" }7 {3 c3 L8 u- E! [* _
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; G, M6 s7 J! h0 Q
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺2 a+ d% Z/ ~9 L3 h& I$ j
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法% s0 V6 v8 N( F# D  d
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 F* u. X8 E1 p0 K- T: L- ~但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
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咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 v1 }  a! @2 H% E/ B所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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$ A- a8 V3 s! B4 ^你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 ?0 L0 U# b% l( \/ _$ K
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; K0 ]$ @) K" q& |1 h; a- N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 n, E9 F3 ~5 `3 e9 J+ t' v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 O9 |0 S2 Q5 G& R& W; S4 [
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; \2 n: ~; H, v" Z0 Z* {4 H7 u唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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7 S- x7 y+ b% i: F0 }其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 L/ a' w6 q  c6 N& G分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- Z. y! ]6 N- w) D- S7 Q6 K9 x

! L! E4 Z8 [# w" O' T1 `再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: v- Y, Z; `* [0 _
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
$ m- q+ F' b0 A% I2 t$ J* k+ V一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 H. Y' `$ V( B; Z; x. ^# Q
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* e9 D' O3 K$ ~6 {' R& X5 }. i# G
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 S  u* U+ G, ?$ C: s) Z5 d0 m, j其實係...
* s& T, F! J6 j因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 W/ z# Y6 q8 f3 f+ c3 X而家就要多生產, 少消費
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