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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( l) f7 y6 Q% P% H+ P. S4 Z& ]* s0 s4 gWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???' ?  P: _. j+ c
I was so confused.....
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% M2 F1 E9 t8 c! e: |  a( I% g講到尾都係賺錢
5 I' U2 z2 F7 K  E4 U/ o- ?so銀行可以不斷放款. J. G3 ^4 Z' ]# Y
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( f) ^9 T2 @% B/ |  {

+ g) e. g! ]  m4 Jmortgage loan
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( J8 J- h8 e. u+ p4 Q3 R4 g>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)8 X  J) s3 M4 p/ W7 d9 f3 K
>arranger
4 I# v3 |$ h- p- v9 y6 K>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# j2 c2 D% u8 b4 v( u8 _
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; k4 ~- d, R$ h
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 U5 p8 G, @/ H/ P- p
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.. |& C5 P& A, F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. J1 N+ l/ f2 \8 S) F) ain other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. F0 C/ a, q3 o7 I3 f8 m+ b! s( S+ s
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! H; X, f' S( w/ x
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 H+ Z7 Q+ o2 [2 B; Q) Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' k' k# Z. k  C# w& p; ]
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) `- t( z5 f  A1 }! T
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% G5 {( k% ^  p+ Q0 @4 u
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 X* \# {: M, X3 ?' v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,6 X) n5 O4 l% ?+ A7 k$ e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. N1 Z  ^; ^: k7 _. KThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ N) F& J' j4 Ubut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ o- x) H4 n3 ?: q9 M

7 @# z" x7 K: ~. ]& ?$ L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 K  d5 k. v2 b1 @& y+ h
Refer to last example,
5 S5 M# a) ~* f4 b$ N: f3 Vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) @% w5 p+ s# z" k6 y( h8 k& |Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 f5 ~1 F7 m- h* m  @9 O& E7 Gtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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; I" \0 a: n  W- MA->B->C->D->E
+ r  w7 a+ S8 G8 ~so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; i4 o. |! A# H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 O" f& T( r$ l( d- Min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 K' C1 n; Y+ ?/ E( f5 y
it's the problem of the debt itself.+ T5 M. n3 O6 X. e
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 r5 Z' }7 Z, A, J, G* T
小弟一直都唔明...
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, [+ [% U/ t, D, Q* H7 t: @8 F全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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3 u; k! R$ Z% s( y. C, e; |無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...# ^4 A+ M2 o( E% u3 z. b
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
; s0 v9 t8 a. H" j9 {! w8 z) x那些根本係 紙上財富  
, U" ]% n9 y: o2 ]1 [3 f各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 R5 w& P% M; h/ E* d! a$ c當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, H6 M. B5 b" m& q1 D8 O6 u' }於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 s/ R) C0 h8 f3 z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  n+ t% l# z; ?4 H/ U! ^. ?$ X扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ k. j  J. z/ S: Y' X' `- T& P計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺& U9 }' [) T" A3 [) T& Q& s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" D3 y" s8 q9 w: Z
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ {' r5 B, R' y- |( e/ A但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 g3 h( l) M. B! ]* [: s( {
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; d! [' M2 i5 r  L( P' Y4 ]+ J咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) d# |5 p7 M2 e2 w1 i
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁3 h- |$ a) C$ T7 M. I" J

7 P5 B' W( k$ u; Q& z! X你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   l1 y+ m. M' u6 ?; o" c
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + t; a7 ?  T' e" A
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 F6 O* d' J+ A7 @5 R0 s1 ]; V3 T+ m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) _3 ^  h' b9 g咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 X! T5 ~5 r% s& a1 x
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: Y! z# z8 t8 @- {  K( X4 k淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- k5 c0 U& W- L6 C2 c% u呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  K4 T: C" f$ P咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; I9 [7 d! u! `+ J$ D+ ~' O正係咁樣: x5 j4 K5 g* {; Z5 r
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# L7 Q' M1 e4 {; A) l1 U7 a分分鐘佢地唔使還錢, P% r, ^3 O( t

1 F8 T5 x- _0 S7 C( V4 |再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  z6 [1 L& v+ q8 K7 u
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 e( v- D) \' [  ]
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* C% m$ }/ {# d' s; ^% l編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ \& J7 R  f2 c/ n. \9 S9 u- C7 I  N咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
; F; L! U" [( n$ j而家就要多生產, 少消費
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