<<新主題 | 舊主題>>
娛樂滿紛 26FUN » 吹水版 » 全世界都蝕錢,究竟d錢蒸發左去邊?
返回列表 回復 發帖
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" o9 I2 K. K/ n" {
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" D- N6 X, H! L. R& n/ D4 _I was so confused.....
& Q" w& }% Q. i- Z# a

, r4 t4 W5 k: ~1 J講到尾都係賺錢
1 w$ b, S5 `9 H' Y+ e+ Iso銀行可以不斷放款( {  w) F# ^1 h4 i1 ^4 f
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
  }& t8 R# P) e! M) B
7 b' i( `- i  G2 Q3 G3 `& [% H5 dmortgage loan
) p6 u% [( P( [3 C" z3 q6 G4 Q9 ]( s>conduit
9 p  D) v$ L+ J0 U. o- o% x7 v' i>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
# y- |1 R/ I5 i. Q* v  k8 e>arranger
8 j+ L& g, i4 f. n2 h>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)3 W. p! V; w9 {, B+ |
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.2 c$ b2 A4 z7 N
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 |- L( h6 `: M5 j4 ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# ~8 [* V, j" L8 I* ]6 m5 f2 [; ~% e; R
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( S. p6 w) E' p* |' M4 T( ?
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& i& A& h4 \- ^- v$ o
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
1 _$ }/ Z. Q  M2 Q' Ysimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) }7 @. ]7 U* H% }6 ]
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' [: y! f8 h: P/ Q# r/ P; G$ h6 Peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , g" I4 N; Z. J
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
8 d  D, i" R2 F! \0 e6 @' b. X5 I- m6 e: r" {
im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
, Q  _: J$ h- W" h! Win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ B& H/ T& a7 Z. L/ z) |For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! L4 r$ ^' G, b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- @- Z: Q# E' `- N, w  ^9 b
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 G6 v1 \) c0 e1 s. _# R5 R+ R- t/ j
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly., U3 F4 |8 s, W$ f2 G3 A1 v* B2 V8 G/ C
, [, N/ ?+ @+ a0 x6 E
[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 m' ^5 b: w2 l6 c! iRefer to last example,! i% }# B; M: N! l
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % q6 }3 }9 u# g, N5 {4 I+ g, y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' b" s) |! |) {! Vtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
0 k3 C  W8 _$ b. [

8 m- f# Y$ n9 o; h" f
0 G( y2 d+ ~) ?A->B->C->D->E; l8 a/ \+ e0 r, u, y9 o  U4 y, R
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, - o  n: C0 |) {6 k+ W) G5 E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' t* O- v% v! Y, l! {
& ^3 d! o) u% e8 J# J
) U# j% W$ t1 p  _& u2 \4 c
the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - A6 x8 L; Y5 L+ n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% P. ~5 O% N/ Lit's the problem of the debt itself.
; m8 |" u* Y* ^1 A9 p, ?the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" }! e1 W) _! S小弟一直都唔明.... u( q0 }5 e6 E  Z

; Q! z7 |( q# W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 R1 O; i; p( r8 K% C

5 ]0 y/ l7 S6 P# o8 E9 H無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ h8 Q: ]; V, T: O: g% X' K$ W; z: `

, t& x' k* W6 |) s5 j5 ?, E" @敬請各師兄解答8 d1 B  e* m8 r: ?+ L& U8 y9 Z

  O6 g* W% n1 Y5 U/ K5 dThanks
+ p, d. L! q8 C那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ o6 ]8 q/ Z1 m6 `6 g; W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ E+ _* k% ?& I2 u" t
  |. u. Y5 v. I9 ?( B7 C% O
http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
; n: R- Z! a0 C( Q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 V9 o" R/ E( }於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; v$ i7 {  |1 x" O. v個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  v+ L6 Z" Y+ r5 G扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- f9 }6 {) N+ w/ P1 x3 r4 L6 M4 ?計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 }) e& [* e3 L8 l前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ P5 _" Q; x6 a: B7 W% u" V
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 v9 b3 S) W6 M6 c
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 A7 n3 q$ s3 p3 ]
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) y$ t! x& g) H/ [8 ?& O+ e咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: v  y; y! M2 p
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
' m7 s7 N# h. t* H& M2 q5 ]5 U
% T9 Y1 e$ Q9 A8 ^/ o  A/ m5 D' \你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + ?7 ^3 l9 `5 V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ _4 b! L' L! y# F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / |" u' h/ d2 }- o. d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
; v) @4 ^$ V2 p. {' v咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 z3 j, h& {* ]& J: `+ L- P% @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 `% L0 }$ V; ^) k: \2 b6 c6 n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   S2 `: Z, C+ g6 W# b. O
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 d$ w' W" N" l1 t咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
8 [4 p' H, M& ]) f2 z( _, w
9 u" H1 G; g% E. ?正係咁樣9 {9 E' E4 z2 l& A" g! M6 B) d, s
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) g7 n4 J8 j5 D
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
: b. i! a" C7 c" v/ c) c% g9 A( a5 B* O6 ^
再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ c* i3 D$ |& g% n2 a1 z! f/ T: f連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ |- c  e8 h6 e6 a; z一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; f" ^3 r: c9 ]% m/ o! V, T編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 R  F8 ~7 p: M, A+ h( F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
0 P1 O* @. o# U) u; A

* ]8 w$ y- X" j3 B1 Y3 A9 ~6 a其實係.../ G) L# I* h* @! h
因為以前未生產, 先消費
$ T! w, ^& _& A而家就要多生產, 少消費
返回列表 回復 發帖
<<新主題 | 舊主題>>
娛樂滿紛 26FUN » 吹水版 » 全世界都蝕錢,究竟d錢蒸發左去邊?

重要聲明:26fun.com為一個討論區服務網站。本網站是以即時上載留言的方式運作,26fun.com對所有留言的真實性、完整性及立場等,不負任何法律責任。而一切留言之言論只代表留言者個人意見,並非本網站之立場,用戶不應信賴內容,並應自行判斷內容之真實性。於有關情形下,用戶應尋求專業意見(如涉及醫療、法律或投資等問題)。 由於本討論區受到「即時上載留言」運作方式所規限,故不能完全監察所有留言,若讀者發現有留言出現問題,請聯絡我們。26fun.com有權刪除任何留言及拒絕任何人士上載留言,同時亦有不刪除留言的權利。切勿撰寫粗言穢語、誹謗、渲染色情暴力或人身攻擊的言論,敬請自律。本網站保留一切法律權利。