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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, }& ~8 E- s2 p9 kWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 L' c9 J4 K4 \; _8 C% }) P9 U
I was so confused.....
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( M' W- W0 g  P) I講到尾都係賺錢
) r( [  ?% s, |( Q. C' nso銀行可以不斷放款
: m0 N. L4 s" J7 E美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 w% C3 N, f' g  u6 P& Q
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mortgage loan ' w& u- y4 X0 X2 d# P2 m
>conduit
9 R9 E5 T2 i" W>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 A% D+ |  [: g6 q" Q! f
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
) K9 ]2 H, }1 k# t- U0 W" mCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: M& F7 Y) c9 e2 p* N) m  e( m* v: n
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 h  C3 L. \7 k. X- ~7 ?
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" y: D* n% }( V4 \- ]8 b$ }. vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 O9 P  E& B) d: G5 v+ Y$ a9 ]Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 f, Z4 M# Y$ ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( i! p& o- [1 [3 i) |+ Z9 ^2 C" _5 s( f
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, P3 a" l% i4 A  z6 i1 P$ ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - h8 \' i) H2 g$ P8 F# n. u
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ n# a3 W9 H* N" x' V1 mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# b8 c2 n) y; P4 V) w' Ain stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.! z: M2 i1 L: A1 Q( Z! a" n" n
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' p/ M1 g' f; i  {! I
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
% {% q; |  b9 P5 L, rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# o9 o. J; g. p; r3 Ubut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 O9 Y$ _# R* Z* v* J
Refer to last example,0 ^* I6 t8 A! @. X! I/ o9 P
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 7 x8 ]. N6 A% n7 F/ o) q! o9 k, U
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" P# ^  N# p+ H: e* Ztherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 J+ q/ {$ e1 d) ~/ X0 b  W. DA->B->C->D->E
0 i7 Z7 O( |2 t8 U4 aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 b  E) {* f- \% V$ a  k  {
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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6 e" K! ?( ?4 \9 y9 \the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 r1 z# n, B  W  a$ Y) r+ sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,   x# ~# _7 U5 r3 K3 j# J: n
it's the problem of the debt itself.
( ]! K8 ^" m: S  Y$ j! l7 b( @3 vthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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0 h3 |/ n  r8 c0 s) `' }全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ J! u/ H* ~8 j6 X
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答$ I% Q- g) e' t, k# q+ k+ z
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Thanks
, z% k6 R! |" p! ?" j8 b那些根本係 紙上財富  $ P: S" x6 w  O8 z0 A  p
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' x0 _# O+ X0 D* m% @# X當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  w2 t( d, \$ h; h+ S* l
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; o' p9 [7 n0 q  A  {7 S個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! S' q1 o5 [( S3 V" Q0 J4 Y' A扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 [& p" e* }+ r0 `9 o計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' i# r, v# I2 p' I  _8 J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 J# L+ e" A; ], T# d7 \1 {! p# i
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 U* G( w" I9 m5 g; N  P! G但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) K4 H( y# _  y$ I' D1 A
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % R  m5 c) V3 J9 O: I. ]
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 C) ~3 F' U4 ~- W: C所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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! z9 O( T8 L; k4 k, }1 c! R- ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
5 W2 V/ {7 N+ i) r9 k: `2 _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 P7 k7 M3 V4 B' X8 N' H淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 |- e8 m8 A9 }/ e9 M/ W呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. G) K# G; A. F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 [7 w% T5 ]' O$ R* `; D; l
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 s" b! R3 l+ n- W5 t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! J( Q8 }- x2 J呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% q& D. b, t: P) e4 @
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  M% l! q) P$ d4 n5 r9 T其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ I, z; S5 V; g! o. A1 R+ r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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+ B( _9 ?" U+ N1 T& a% J, b再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) k" |& a( M0 J: m  J連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: |- V  D9 L4 w
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' v7 a+ T& g1 v4 ]- f- C編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 E" t- [: P" u1 M. l; \
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
' E+ Q7 l6 j9 f: {0 N: S而家就要多生產, 少消費
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