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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' u- |, n+ y, ~6 u  v1 ?
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 z+ i$ V" U6 A" L. `5 {& y
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
( }/ A( N# q! j美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 z$ F7 o! \! t2 ~
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ J2 s; D% M7 S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  W& \2 t4 v- {" M7 Amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 L' K3 o3 A, `; b& ~' C" b
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# c3 A( ^; D- x7 {
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 Z/ `" g# m; C+ i6 \. ^, S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., ^+ r* h; \' Q- p
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 N3 ?4 i$ P: }1 A: Y# [8 v$ f/ cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 o: T9 n! J. ^9 k0 A. B1 Ueg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
: k3 l, a& f$ R' ^6 rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 ~4 e6 F8 q' H  {; U% Ein stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 C, b: f$ G  L
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ @/ ^, Q  H/ ]9 nA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! a! G/ f; O( N& `6 IThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # H3 b4 f* {, @. `" C
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ ]! A0 ?& I& |, |* B3 [8 W
Refer to last example,
4 h! q# q, V6 }& lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 y2 j2 f5 l2 @; v& L4 v0 C/ C
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! x$ L6 w3 S" Y( _4 r+ e( S; v. xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 F5 H9 `2 ]; c% ^2 Jso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 K3 r4 y: e! N/ z, X- H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( I* L2 ~$ P2 K+ y4 v
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 `% V. H( \  F. j& Y( j. C7 `in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 ?8 `* s7 z  u6 N7 Z
it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ H  t( C; c" U5 \9 mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' w- P$ _1 |% V4 f
小弟一直都唔明...
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2 u9 v) J& U/ `5 r# f/ n5 o全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?/ h# H1 c$ q7 A

- ~* D, m( e  p% E# e  z; K+ i6 V- T無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  B% }5 g3 O9 |5 z7 x& |

* O; l2 S9 r1 `, M1 S  n  @敬請各師兄解答# J  Z( \9 ]1 v& p! U4 y2 N

) i9 g! I! P& {0 ~Thanks
/ `$ c2 |3 j: w那些根本係 紙上財富  
! l7 M  E0 Q! ~各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# u, Q: e' y/ P) v( H
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ c7 `( f) `3 C當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 ^$ v' m8 p9 W: D
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* R6 _& Q0 k3 `; W% p0 `7 \個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
) z& Y6 \% p! {! F' Y' E扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: t1 N' N8 `3 i2 w; N+ _2 J
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 Z2 s" z& [7 J: e
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法- H- A7 E5 @; ?9 m7 ^1 L& k
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! m0 s) t1 b0 l* F) I但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺8 v% U: @$ \3 j( V3 L9 P/ z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, : A9 N) l& Q9 k6 E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 @% \/ s' r! y, H所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( ^/ |) O; e- H3 l( ?

' f) p% }: z, l你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
$ M  L! E$ G8 I0 J9 w" y' c但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 d: a( X$ X% Z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  o3 w" v5 R  t3 H) c1 S. f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, J$ ^" R" o$ X! c: ~- [唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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; u1 A, m( n" W* w# E/ k正係咁樣
; \9 J5 P6 M/ F) ]# n- {其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. w1 V8 Q! l5 l分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' ]( m& Q  l; {# _
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票; e9 A+ v( A6 [( B/ h' g
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 G, W0 I: |: s- D+ M: {% D# j' h7 ^編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" I: P% N$ a' G  W# ?) P8 S6 L% n咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
  O( f1 E3 E9 f( B而家就要多生產, 少消費
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