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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 B# g' F  x6 l  @: o# EWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! }) x) o3 g4 JI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢5 x: x" P7 U' l) D
so銀行可以不斷放款. L1 R; g& E. t( a3 b
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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, ?4 w. q5 \) ^' T: rmortgage loan 3 p& }3 \2 Z" M+ P, w# |
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; p3 c0 g- {/ `/ c* c3 ^>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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6 M& o" j: q5 E+ J>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 N) C7 m4 |8 J- X$ n% P8 x: V
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.9 r0 v* a, M" g2 c; {- o& n0 f8 O0 W' V
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 w7 h1 |3 L0 P9 j) B7 C) s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 V% f" H( {8 Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( Q  A+ q: A- p" G8 P- r3 V* b0 Bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* p# n  r* u+ Z2 {" i: _, D
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' a. U& D8 P( D
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 R8 u% @* ~$ H6 G3 p$ Unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & _, v. R/ D. u. f2 ~" d1 E# Z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, h9 ^! `* ~) M; [3 @# a7 Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% }3 {) F9 H1 y" C
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 _* W. z% D7 b5 p
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.$ d7 f) S  G( `6 L2 I6 Z' S
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( y+ Q; j7 [& \# L! F* ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) t# W5 V) ^/ X, z1 v! K" m: r9 xThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 L& w# e$ W% s" K) e3 n
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# O) K. }( r1 e" ]+ Q' y( S% a+ U
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( Q4 l7 M+ w3 {, z8 x$ dRefer to last example,) l6 D& Q  k6 o, I3 F7 Q3 x
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ t1 [* |" D5 P$ w, UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 h$ V3 b/ U3 Z+ J0 C) k- O$ stherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ Y) h8 W( e$ W& j% D3 ~A->B->C->D->E/ a1 E6 R3 Y5 ]$ J
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, . _: j; V  \- c1 _) L4 F& f5 x: n0 d
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" i+ e" X) }& D. a

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" J/ Y5 ~/ k! J$ J/ b3 Hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 r. `- L6 d7 A  D4 C$ X
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 U$ _' B9 y; q5 U7 A
it's the problem of the debt itself.
; c8 k9 S+ O0 c1 \/ _the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% a: o4 x% t6 J" ?. c" A小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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0 K" v& }. b9 \$ q& _/ i無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ C7 W" c2 S3 n; h2 r0 A/ q* t
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敬請各師兄解答4 q5 f9 N4 M3 _( G) v* h" l# p
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Thanks
& l" D9 z8 g9 f2 O9 W9 Y; W! b那些根本係 紙上財富  * D4 U3 W9 b% p% P# G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 Q9 P) l# b1 E1 |8 ^% M
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產$ m  v% V/ z& A* P1 g. `1 `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 C" g  Y; h6 R於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 r9 |2 ?3 {4 j. }+ Y) I
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 \& W8 p, H# u2 b  F" @0 Q5 I扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( A, Q5 P$ a7 |
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 l1 I4 c  L$ }: Z5 g5 A' p7 t# S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. s2 r, z1 ~+ ^5 c+ C" T, j同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 t# g( e* b. L  @但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ K' x2 W4 t7 U4 X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 x1 o4 I; q6 b! O* `6 Z
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
% k) Y2 i0 [' e7 P% x( T' A5 _. t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , M* j! L$ I' M$ b- j
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; J  \# h4 L- ?) |2 _* H; c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - O2 s7 \$ p5 ?5 t# W# m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
/ K0 G3 H' d7 k咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 p; F8 H# G0 z6 E, B, Y3 D唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 s1 j4 h& e. H; ]- g: l
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣2 W5 y! G; j) N" P4 H& J8 }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 c' i1 r7 @' [3 D分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! ]2 }( `4 T0 ^9 M1 ]! t# _
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) E: O! S; t7 ]連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
$ _7 n8 B2 d; T% ^7 |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# L0 A3 P8 L" O" X4 ~- q編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 i1 x$ X+ i3 q! ~
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費& i8 w* i9 `8 q4 i4 r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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