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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' @, C. o: ?* t' C$ VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 ]6 J" i$ X; M  b0 @I was so confused.....
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1 X( i1 s6 g; }0 Q" l# @講到尾都係賺錢
1 `9 h: y% l& O' F2 k- l- `so銀行可以不斷放款
4 ~" k6 G1 r9 V  ~$ ~8 X/ `2 ~; C! \美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" N8 x9 O) u! Y3 @5 z

: n1 I- I. v/ mmortgage loan 7 {) C1 t# U4 D4 u3 S: P* h
>conduit8 X3 B( X& @, }: D; f" [8 q- X
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- u' O, `; P( ~9 i1 G
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
6 Z' w/ O1 ?6 l- c2 `最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 x# b4 X; i. MCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 o0 f7 c3 z# o0 ~- g( X7 \8 o1 o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! v7 f+ ^( ^1 I6 W  @- q  pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, c* ]8 I0 M% h( E( s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: r; N7 Q; f$ w+ oAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 c" G; C" Q% \5 S; c# F
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, _1 ^6 `% b" S% F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( p8 b9 e& Q. R+ j, H
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 n! I0 K6 N# }5 O
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 y* m& x& y  l7 z5 P/ j& N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ n- T# `& d. \, {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.& z8 N: R! t0 d3 @* X* h
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* c% ]; B% N4 v/ d8 K7 a5 f2 a
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. P% a  S" M  b4 X7 cThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
; Q2 O: B5 a0 G$ A- a9 c2 K8 wbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; t* [, S! B$ Y) ?1 q* }7 `7 v
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ s: @, T! B/ O& F0 x
Refer to last example,
/ |7 N8 u/ E0 c! p9 K/ O9 ?that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 N+ I0 v* ^/ m5 l/ @Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  C7 l" Q/ k5 H. k6 G( ]9 ]. J6 ntherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E9 Z5 D. x  d2 o0 x8 A2 l# f+ |
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, : E9 [* Y3 O6 F  N. P
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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, W% ~5 ~' D$ `' ]( e# g& q+ wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . ~/ s* j2 r/ b7 i. p& F4 U
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
/ W6 c- w: y9 E( T9 s/ n" B- vit's the problem of the debt itself.$ r; d! a' @# g5 B- a' x& a
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 E8 X  W* \$ O& v) M. {6 e3 E
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; ?# _. b! K; H% e
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 D  ^; c# W1 ^$ }7 {

  a& `' e" {$ n0 E9 M3 W8 O. E' }  s敬請各師兄解答: V2 C( j- R- x0 Z! s" d8 X# u
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  + h5 {# G$ f: {0 S2 O& Y1 H
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% p; w) P1 Q, {8 ^2 o
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" q/ O4 M) r9 R; P2 Z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 v& F7 K2 U' w
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 d& Q! M2 y& T9 Y/ b
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( T6 Q3 l( w# n2 i
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ J7 \! G: k) u9 \
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" a# ~* \  @( |+ L+ g+ Z- j
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
2 v) b2 ~7 y  Q! @: S但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺! R6 o4 {' u% ^) l& Z+ v
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ j, d0 u/ y  s' `0 u3 V咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%5 M8 |/ v" A2 D+ c( l
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 @! m* F$ O, ]. R: r" v9 b

/ q( P, S7 X# k$ v; ]" H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. f9 d! @. L/ ^5 o6 p但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" f8 M: J1 w; x' l9 ]- |4 J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - Y6 p* y' T  \+ V+ \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' F4 A: `* R5 z4 q  _. j
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 V+ t) w+ `$ K+ l; y1 X$ \9 m9 M
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   P6 t& p0 M# N, |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣, H7 N  S6 h; K) L/ z! p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, r) G1 ^- K* A" T
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  }4 C' r- c% n: D
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% n( {3 z3 M6 g6 A1 m1 V' r! ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( u6 |4 H9 d( ^7 [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 F" S% \  C9 z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 f  G- w9 j4 L1 M7 w1 \, P+ V
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...% W. H( v, T- C) Z/ V0 O& C
因為以前未生產, 先消費
  t: |, y7 \5 e# s7 f而家就要多生產, 少消費
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