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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& Q. l9 s2 V+ h; D' V7 H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* Q& [7 a9 m5 R! S& y$ ]I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢) O6 a- p) T9 Z  U# \; t( p# R
so銀行可以不斷放款0 B% N- K8 q$ ^, H+ X" D
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 ^& g: U: [0 _7 S$ D' q

$ ]% K0 E5 h2 S" B, u9 umortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)9 o5 U# `) D! F6 ~1 z! @) D
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, J+ m+ t/ ]' a/ jCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 I4 s- t% V# `$ o$ R
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  R$ S* L2 E4 }+ i- emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* |9 G7 S0 E8 `4 V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" U5 Y# \+ ~+ r" v5 M% oAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.) |* `# d: }0 |2 d/ b/ u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 x! E/ M' s7 h$ a8 @! L/ Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 a  I4 t+ R. w6 o' ^/ J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 l% p+ G0 S# b9 {- S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 T/ \( t/ n+ x  ?9 M
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
, L5 i6 Z. E, j; ~6 U" S  g# Vin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ k- a7 m* p3 y& {; \( P$ GFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* ]$ U/ g1 w& \$ g8 ]+ W1 P
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 n5 j/ Q. I- b! q- a6 P* w* VThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 a. A( X% |1 G! J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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+ v, G6 M, g' A3 m" Y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 z' R; E' Q- JRefer to last example,$ y. T7 H; z. ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & D# z, z& y6 d4 d+ O, G9 P1 q" d7 u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 ~* M! r3 S0 d7 x; dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) M( q: E0 k) rA->B->C->D->E
$ ?; l/ U/ ?1 X/ B' n6 X6 p- l! [8 z1 m- sso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 6 M, E. ]3 e+ n9 _+ I' o8 I
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( @3 j$ k$ f* V' j5 l

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( J3 F/ Q. r( [  h4 hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 @# p3 m4 s+ g, Jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' v9 @# [$ |% B; s+ _' n+ }8 oit's the problem of the debt itself.: O0 H0 ~' _8 e
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! ^5 E& ]: U: o/ r4 {" c' |- Z% f7 J
小弟一直都唔明...
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* H: N! h2 U; {, C' n9 E* _全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& F7 Q8 ]9 C* Q( a( e0 l' y4 r- e" p

0 c7 J2 N6 \  K, y* P: C# V無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答9 [' P3 \7 \: s
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富    J1 y! w+ I+ \. n: U; y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, X( n  l, w" r. r
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, ~  V' i1 l1 K& K9 f當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: v4 S" b' ?  f5 H- w
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
& Q3 K  Q$ x8 j+ k" h- D2 e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; y" }; e0 ^; u6 W
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 l1 N9 I' a3 b& [' \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' S4 S" a+ S! X1 y$ j- X8 ~6 i但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 _2 T0 M5 z3 F" {+ I8 A% P2 p. E例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
# v# H$ s. V' E. w" p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
: \; p: `' f" g所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* f$ g: C% r! q9 W" w4 c( o
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - c* L# }2 M$ p& B
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 i( G/ {& U( r' u* d: M$ X- u2 p
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 Z$ v) E+ H( Q- ^: d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( B# l4 ~9 J7 ?2 ^- m9 \
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; Z. s+ O1 o$ U! O0 c1 R% S  A2 `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! }5 V2 \3 \  f. c& Z' I* s( S
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" C  \& M/ w7 m) e
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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8 s+ {- V. ^6 \. Z, P其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 E" Z9 p& D$ J# U# g分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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8 _  e; |% |9 F* w再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
5 q( b% g# I& ~2 X, i4 _. k連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! y2 m0 B; t# L* O一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. S) b- i8 N  p
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  o4 }: l- {, L8 I* x: e7 T: V  x8 g; l
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ g" B0 ]5 t3 x5 P; Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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