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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 k0 b0 I2 w- v
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 ^$ e3 Q8 u) ]( O+ F) m
I was so confused.....
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8 r, o. m9 T+ H6 c# x0 r  F講到尾都係賺錢6 o* p* ~$ b. F# r( t
so銀行可以不斷放款
5 K1 S/ ~7 J2 h, \- {美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; O1 `# a5 @' H* j" Q2 P

3 U, T) l6 ]+ _0 [mortgage loan 1 C8 \6 V6 Y9 f
>conduit
" e* ^' b/ Y) j5 Q# Y) ?: D" l>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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# {4 `% l+ n. t" L. o) O>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 `# ~- m& U* N) }) S1 ]
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) X  W5 X9 J6 U7 C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 f0 h4 E  C# K- I; ^$ ]( H2 s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ A' k: Z5 ?8 h+ w/ l7 @8 G7 nmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, W1 _1 ]+ b6 A+ W2 q+ j
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& b3 S4 h+ X! ]+ R* F3 X. {Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ a+ S+ b6 N% ^3 U9 C0 Wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ F6 V8 Y+ K/ \normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 ~! @+ p/ Z$ g7 N7 y/ S& w0 k
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 B7 N7 {- F8 ^3 ybanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 ]% ^6 \' }8 c& Z3 }6 _8 T
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
0 M( a8 S" }& k- L- }+ din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 V( J/ C2 x$ s% }7 U' }! C  `3 f
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
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The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
- X+ J# k/ L8 R3 B- Ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ j( X- `; F) K( c) R/ N7 _2 H" N
Refer to last example,
/ }  o+ N  W4 C. hthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ M- x/ B8 |$ b( q5 U7 d2 k
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! j0 q+ F4 Z9 A% Q2 qtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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& [1 A& R; {4 i# s' fA->B->C->D->E
; z' f( I5 Z' j. c! Sso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
  }) @' r+ `9 Y2 Call the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 u, B, m; r# Y5 O: b

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) ]8 L: j; E- G% X/ T8 n" wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 V% @2 L- X' P8 X
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ t+ H9 n: _2 f' e% e' N4 Ait's the problem of the debt itself.
8 q" z4 v- I+ p* e# y- q! D8 bthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: b% O$ t/ ?8 _7 y. V! i5 U# q
小弟一直都唔明...
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+ t! ^; r% n, t8 D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) q0 N  ^7 M8 Z( B/ i7 m

: b9 Q2 V9 @5 e4 O4 V無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ g6 K! v( Q, r6 u0 J, B: [
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敬請各師兄解答: M  J" e$ c- ~* r( m' f9 t
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Thanks
, W% ]2 g7 A0 ~0 g( D: _/ ~) v9 z' }那些根本係 紙上財富  
( V# y0 E: V$ q! w& u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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9 J$ U* Q1 ]# Y  d) J/ r* W( mhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ Z5 G2 Z, }3 r( p8 o6 ^% B# ~1 d當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 O  [* m3 l$ v6 s; M) ~0 o) F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊- I+ J' O$ ?8 R6 F* U3 y7 B2 s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' m3 p5 @' F  Z8 o7 t' I- Y# n
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 Q4 k+ V# u! F% f- R; ^
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- P* ~3 {* D) [, u6 s$ C1 Y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 c: e. u8 r8 E# E  h9 s& S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 y. w$ Q/ ?5 A: ?* H+ T; V
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 e4 V( \) z  m例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 R2 Y& F8 u' K# z6 A9 y+ t. |
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; j4 x: v4 P9 k! E2 g所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁$ S9 d8 z. Q2 D) c9 w: R$ }

. G' o( s4 D( K5 ^6 f% D3 ]你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ W: x! m7 V: Q8 B5 Y' T但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 C& U: {8 x$ q: l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ g9 y& C  Z2 t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 N* q, [0 U, d4 {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! G4 _1 _& z+ v: ?; ?( I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' w3 e: L% s' z  x5 X' q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣3 G* P" x; t0 S' N$ R
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 c1 S  ~3 K- h$ H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* S% k4 k" v5 Z/ y) C
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ Z' X+ _4 K! g; z7 Z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 p. T: Z$ @1 W0 b+ G1 u一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產' V5 {9 f) u+ V
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 e2 h( u/ _0 u  x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
: t4 D0 M2 v1 ^3 b; R( A% Q因為以前未生產, 先消費
( a# h9 }' e, M' q* {, D9 |5 [2 u/ @而家就要多生產, 少消費
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