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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. F3 i. u* q0 [- H$ o0 p% z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 x) |$ o. E- m' f6 j- s2 b
I was so confused.....
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9 ]" N" |8 f1 q# ~講到尾都係賺錢
" ]8 P/ q  ^% _' G/ L$ pso銀行可以不斷放款: u1 S3 ]$ E' K: \) k- y) `. o8 m  O9 e
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 w4 \' H( k* R0 H0 ]2 @
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mortgage loan 6 [# W: R1 V3 t0 H8 H
>conduit
# ~- O# J& T& z- ]2 _! F3 I+ Q>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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+ E+ M' `; _' k* e9 S9 _: D) i>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
' {1 f/ c. m, n2 O% y最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.7 v8 [3 ^" b* n2 t
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ M( b6 |1 I: i- n4 E) jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.  z" f' i5 g7 ?4 {% G
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* C1 ~8 `+ K8 H2 q* N# Din other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 A" c9 h6 h/ M+ RAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 S. b4 `0 {9 m, q) r% L' K5 I6 `" D3 Y& @& `similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 b: F9 ?% h+ p3 S' _normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& j* R* P, K3 s- R5 neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 A  V6 _. X  u( I7 r- _) N5 x; E
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 m$ F# \5 m0 D# y* z/ J

7 h" b3 T, Z" _9 G, fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
& t# H" y7 g" D5 q1 C$ P9 H0 E/ Oin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 L% w, E4 m7 j0 J$ {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( `; a1 K  Q0 v' z6 K, I8 Y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.! k2 |* `7 r: F& c# `' w
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 U0 c) _9 r8 A7 j/ O5 Abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) k, j1 [6 U7 c4 t

& ^5 F% j2 I4 g[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, s+ X/ m" \* t7 G! n! mRefer to last example," _# w0 \7 G4 C9 ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % j# P3 L7 v$ Q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& H/ D) A8 V& Q5 N2 P/ wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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1 N% G3 I7 n* }6 G& j  DA->B->C->D->E7 o, c. P) i* |) o2 T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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* Y$ `: Z' _. f$ O5 p2 x; v1 zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % [$ U$ g$ b* K0 q9 _1 l' L
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* U% m2 K+ k; a/ c9 v8 q0 o3 qit's the problem of the debt itself.
; R4 R  Q) m" o' c' p0 Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ a+ q0 T2 f, a6 ?
小弟一直都唔明...
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* x# V: O4 E" k: \% m5 ~全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?' M3 d, g6 g/ d
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... @  w6 t( z/ u6 d# ~
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
- A$ d! h+ Z- L' U5 d7 c9 C那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ \9 s) v( ]$ C! o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 x+ C0 h# X  [
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ R: u- n( K( |, s' t於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
1 m6 r* {& L' F2 ]7 O1 m  L個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" g/ F% ]9 N3 K) `# ?( N. Z
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  M9 x9 d5 ]( T8 G3 p
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- s* B' L/ R6 f+ m前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法; x8 u/ B4 Q  E6 M1 Q
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  L7 F* L4 t' L* |) _
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 F! L0 p! ~. ]7 X$ J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, : g/ n# E5 m( ]4 E) H# r5 \
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: N) L( I$ _2 ^" _/ d4 A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ c6 j+ h8 M7 ]; Z0 r& ?/ _2 t
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 z% L+ ^, v" ?" i; [, S9 _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ G  O$ K; F7 _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# V9 Y  I5 h8 N9 G2 B+ o% m9 k+ _, y" P
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. J$ W, B8 J5 O# q+ K, H( Q& c淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ K4 I+ N9 n/ ^& K/ V
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
' V/ g3 f9 C# w/ u1 ?# f5 a4 V. u6 M其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 g4 h+ W" q0 ?" N7 s分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 s7 {  s$ [" Y9 N' U
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- Z; x7 @! z' C. {" }0 v連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' S+ q- p# ?7 V( m5 |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產' a5 [( T- s. n# V( f, M& x
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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. c3 K) P2 D1 J0 G: q' H1 L其實係...
) P4 D. o9 D, E7 e5 ?+ P( }3 \7 w因為以前未生產, 先消費
( ?" ]! `# u3 v7 a4 ?  y9 C而家就要多生產, 少消費
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