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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ M/ T8 ^" M2 ]- T7 }Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 Z* v$ \/ r9 X# T
I was so confused.....
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+ `: d* W8 r/ N9 k! P4 |講到尾都係賺錢
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; F5 {0 B. m! X/ J美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. ^% {  ]3 K" v: ^9 E: Rmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); G% L: h6 I" C% F
>arranger( x  m5 t7 |$ }$ e: \6 h0 _
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
# f5 K6 y' x7 _& n9 sCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 _+ h( s; s  m3 p' j
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
' r( q# [/ }5 Q! Tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( y0 U& j' C" z; a% z/ `; Z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" i* v+ g' |* o+ r; IAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) K- q, ^7 N. K  y  }+ ~' m0 csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* u* r1 @! _% F2 C' mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ! m" c* E1 R* r' M- G! K% L
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 T7 M; m) b) @, F8 ]1 I
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 I+ J$ i* h: r6 c. N$ @& w

7 H9 o0 _, `0 k9 h* y7 `/ Y( bim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' ~0 ^+ Y3 l8 B  P0 O, i
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 f) Z5 A# I$ V& E: K% c& \$ @% @
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% t- T( [* T/ N6 Q9 J  hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  {) j3 X' I% S/ s
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
$ T/ b9 x, W; k1 bbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 q0 r8 R0 g7 O: p: t/ d9 p
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ g6 l! f. y& o: tRefer to last example,
( L" m" Q- a* i( ^1 a# k/ d2 \! Lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 e: q8 B) V! C
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
$ [1 n. ?4 g% p. q0 Etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" u/ ~, S5 D  e) q5 MA->B->C->D->E
. c6 o) {9 E% S1 w  kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 u; x$ {# y0 }7 h6 r- B- Q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?7 y6 C' Q' q1 I

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3 y1 W1 t2 {7 N) F; Z- P8 W  k9 othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 l& r9 a0 ~. I) a) j: {& I( Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 T% S- t- w" V: G, X! ^* N
it's the problem of the debt itself.
$ c0 P; p* O$ R& j6 Z" ]the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ }+ [' |7 u& s
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: @1 f5 K* S, a2 R: D" r# ^
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敬請各師兄解答
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1 e' @8 c$ S2 ~$ o& p那些根本係 紙上財富  
  @5 {( t9 p: w6 g) b# d0 x% ?各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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2 j! A8 ]: D. ^2 R4 Q( N- ^http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, x: q0 L& w" q5 }  b3 I
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 ]3 }! V- d4 {/ r
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ a  l3 x, s8 A- m
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 @9 M1 y: ^0 C1 m1 i6 N* j0 c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 D3 y, Q( M4 ]% W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. Q% @% H7 Y$ V# D, V
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 ?# f( b+ {) o1 [: Q5 f: k( a9 k9 K同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 b1 C# A/ J& m5 h/ Y! F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ X& a0 M& o# ?) |" l例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
! U  N  @$ [. n6 S  L+ ]咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%/ O$ w% Z( {1 s  J) f
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
2 b) u$ T. J. U9 B7 a9 y& s但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 O: ?' x3 b+ C5 ]! ~2 }8 }
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 Y7 X8 D/ {9 }7 j2 \% D0 e8 A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ w6 r: |: X' l7 n0 N6 e! R
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 E9 Q, V( {6 q. I! Z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 e5 D7 S! |9 |# W+ D% K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( ?$ s& m, p! f0 o呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
, E$ U# ~# J' q* t0 j6 \咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ q2 v# H7 F' u6 T* s0 x. F- k正係咁樣
6 T  Y: ^& T2 a: L其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) M9 n) b8 K7 C( ?$ O
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 ^' q! \' Z4 F
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( Q$ E! j* @' F6 W) D7 e連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
3 `1 m& m. A0 U9 h* j3 H一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
  e, {9 Q( U' i0 a4 z) {/ \7 n編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ A# }& @) v' ?# f* O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 }; e8 Q8 s- g因為以前未生產, 先消費+ k3 U* B/ c% h: O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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