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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 x3 [/ f8 G0 x9 d+ H# KWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ k0 C* f5 n8 l& \- N' C/ ?
I was so confused.....
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+ ^  Y: c6 P( v講到尾都係賺錢
% M; z. o0 o; g  Y( u( F) xso銀行可以不斷放款3 o+ w+ n+ a8 A/ u9 b& S
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! C( @' {9 k8 j, D% N, G0 i6 |mortgage loan
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1 D2 u, c' R# e1 j$ `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ f, f6 I/ q3 C$ W: T0 L: q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! s( M- s8 b$ o8 L7 m; t9 `CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,# w9 K9 U$ |# V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 p' @6 X" \5 Y5 U$ U$ F' F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: a9 `0 k) m$ j1 ^3 u4 S5 uin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 z; s- d1 M" t+ jAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! m# ^1 A( v# g3 w% W( a- Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 ?/ l& X. g% [: Z. y/ q, K9 A
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " _& Y/ T( S8 C! e
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 Q8 F9 \! F# o# J$ {4 z' s- M
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
0 i5 r% w7 ~, k- ?% `9 w) u/ zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* S. X4 T$ o& {
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; ?, W  D$ R; w. J, h
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# P+ p" ~1 s4 V, d  S9 y, }The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 W" Z+ @* B/ v* R6 v1 x' i4 c6 g
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- }+ i3 f8 k% y
Refer to last example,: \( I% m5 a$ R( x" H8 w$ y8 R
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( E0 V8 O; ]% R0 ^4 wBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( x( T5 X* n/ c) k7 |0 {2 Z1 _therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& x, u$ Y' S" v3 u3 Xso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( t! d1 V* N! e8 u
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" B; _, M6 n1 J; E6 v( |

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 M  ~: u1 N; t) D1 s+ Fin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! ^+ x( u. {4 M: H% j4 }6 {: k* Zit's the problem of the debt itself.  ?  u1 q( l# b4 P1 ]
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! Y' W, j  R5 I. M( x
小弟一直都唔明...
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; d6 s' r& y/ @+ h$ _; |4 ]全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 `& y# H2 V0 X- F* m
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敬請各師兄解答
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5 D; O; X, E, P2 K4 S& w3 uThanks
& K" {0 n& W5 k, x* k那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 `" [! i% ?% R) R各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; c! @# t* z4 {/ A8 f  ~6 P! \4 B
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
0 n( \2 L% B" L/ F2 z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊+ Z& e9 f0 z' c5 a1 N' x
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 P6 y2 k5 @2 C  X/ B( _. W
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 O8 l9 g1 R1 P  o
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( f) V! f" [  i" e- c9 x
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. Z. Z! t1 C" w  z  c3 T同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
# m; L. n4 G/ ^但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 f+ ?2 R0 T" Z7 M7 L例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% h( V7 X0 E2 C7 o6 P8 {1 R咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: a" u+ d- o  K) a. R
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 o$ Y0 g: Z7 |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / S2 X: B  u* c* C/ R# @* U, L
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 O5 _+ J( [0 k# V& z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( m) B5 W' |3 d0 S6 y% C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 Y9 [1 ~5 j4 _0 m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& M2 i. }+ ]+ \" }1 X  S
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' I- ?/ t3 D3 S$ p9 @3 x
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) m+ t$ g4 ^7 e3 q3 f: Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' D7 k6 u9 Z* F) b  F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣6 p- O; X# o, V
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
' V4 w1 z& N* w* p分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- f5 K  z+ ]# }& }1 r

3 `# S) Q  s8 m* P再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
. t# X1 [1 O" ~6 _% }# F; [連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  y- N- `& U/ s: l2 A5 S
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" r0 p/ M- `& d5 {6 y編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# O3 x4 g) t6 q. z! d9 p3 Z# I咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...- ], o% B( L. p9 Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費
% H5 |& ?  b: W) i$ f) a( ~- t7 `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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