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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# {3 p9 N! W2 v; EWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! m* d! q% O1 Q3 W6 {4 r- I* u. RI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢: k5 {" g. V. M2 |
so銀行可以不斷放款! ^/ _& c9 ?/ W3 x& P; w( m$ h5 g
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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>conduit
, S0 I  e& `$ G: _+ _4 b>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
% P6 b( d) h% a& BCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,. m3 w1 y1 S0 @9 I, \9 I
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
: X( V- l6 F6 u& E* }5 smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,- ], x# Q" m: G& S& e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. N, |. Y3 _# i$ F' _( W8 ~8 S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% E9 }5 H  S% S* N; f. }
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 y  K( w( ^, R, y9 x4 ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. . I9 G: a, @, P7 p0 t/ k  ~2 s2 I& Q
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 s) J/ E% P; N. [- o% P8 \banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.; Z, X( I; [, J$ V( P

3 h; [- H5 h! pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ `- b8 F+ u# n" F" j% ]. ]: R/ Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* N% W: a, R$ n1 J1 G: B1 ]
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
* i, i" k3 x, ?A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
0 \; d4 Y% m- r2 hThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) o' r' I; d0 Z( N
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 |1 p- P; |- w9 O  B
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" H( }% _( V' e( b# p1 p" f! q' K
Refer to last example,# x" H6 d; i( c! ?8 w! _5 M
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A * e( s( I7 @# L% g
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 L* j! `, _3 a+ `8 R
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ O" _% l/ q* O. y' T0 l9 |A->B->C->D->E$ v0 H+ V4 @; k6 C. h' I1 b
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( A4 I0 @% @1 H1 b5 }0 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' v$ O' O) q+ o% y4 e! M: Q9 K8 G

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! _- O+ F1 q3 C) X* P9 nthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 V0 @1 C3 E! G+ N) [: Z4 J9 V5 l
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
6 }+ q8 ~7 a9 j4 h* ^( oit's the problem of the debt itself.; C5 L" ]" c9 w% u& ~9 V2 q7 L
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 K/ j3 o! k3 K% O! d- k+ K
小弟一直都唔明.../ w: A3 e8 n+ @. O
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 L. m4 ~, |  s! n
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答: F6 s, A7 h( M3 K
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& C: P$ d0 N( ?, h各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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# L  V% i! A) f7 b1 r0 Khttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 s6 ]" @  m/ m" I' `* x3 _" H0 ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" b& ]0 j; ]/ f% j5 S於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 c' @/ [* t7 h. V4 q& j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 B6 e1 S+ m0 W. e" M3 ~2 j
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 q6 }& X. s8 P4 q1 w! s計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 T  F9 c+ q% F( E/ @$ y/ x* |0 T前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( F7 ?8 r6 D# E1 V/ n0 l+ |0 n1 O$ ]同埋個市場既前境要係好先得) c! h. \9 D. A: y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺: ^( M3 u6 u' y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
# A9 T- g+ S: Z: U4 f5 Z咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
9 @8 I* v: S9 R6 H/ j. B, V所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, g$ V2 t/ T: m1 L) ^

+ v1 P( v! e8 o# Z你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 M- y8 s% [) M5 L2 Y9 N0 y3 V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 l; ]) W! S0 N, ]: M4 y+ V- r
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- k4 Z) P# g4 e  Q  {, L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 Q, G- ^7 m0 S: I) @: o* W" ~3 |2 A1 C) R
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! `  n( L2 w( U% [/ _7 W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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3 h" t; ~+ n, O% o7 N* B正係咁樣+ S1 P+ Q) u6 {5 _' N
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 p, e. s( o! @0 x分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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$ C! I% T+ x; j. n! I再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* W5 \- ?' X% `5 R& P
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' t6 e" V9 e! [
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ g3 ?5 i" q( g; ^. O' R
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 R. z9 e% J' t# E0 k- \# T# }+ f5 S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
. z" L/ ?" N5 }而家就要多生產, 少消費
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