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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, y& ]5 X5 J/ {/ EWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
4 O; o5 T" {, ZI was so confused.....
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2 V4 p0 Q8 \7 w5 w講到尾都係賺錢
' r6 P4 R1 K- ?5 B1 i% x$ sso銀行可以不斷放款$ [; [  O( u3 Q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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% `& B$ J# _7 ?/ gmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); `1 A2 B1 F" R
>arranger; [$ [" c/ g/ }% P$ v& {
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, N/ l( S3 q0 m* J  X( ICDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 |) n$ O8 T) Wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# I) {- Z7 K- K. f6 _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
3 u& g7 L9 Y- D5 P4 v% @* d* Min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: z/ Y$ [* n; ~Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 j  J5 U. l' s2 D% P% z2 T5 q  x/ j& gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,: U: d9 g: D# N. T, @% M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( ?8 G- {- R2 M+ g- N+ g0 Y1 Oeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ q$ c' p+ `0 l) x! z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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& p1 r$ r4 ]! W5 D4 v9 f: M2 U- [im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
. Q5 x, Z/ |$ _+ X) J; ]in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
* L) {( F0 `- U* ?" c  j1 YFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
1 v2 A9 A' f  P6 u$ A6 oA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 G9 a1 z% E! Z$ u8 YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , \) p# W$ J" H4 O
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 t' o1 V4 V- s( g+ Y# F3 x% D
Refer to last example,3 u+ c$ K2 J& g1 U' N) h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 [% u9 R9 ?* M3 w5 g$ o9 UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 e2 s2 `. o5 P- Rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 a# {" q1 M. @7 |9 u8 c# w1 iA->B->C->D->E3 B/ f; N+ z7 i' y, _! o: _2 q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, + n  M* Z- i' ~# P; k1 h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# u; S) h1 Q. V5 v: A$ Q3 P
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! m8 M6 v; i+ ?the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
( ]5 V( \7 P* U0 _, K# D3 ]in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( w  Y$ j2 \7 k* b
it's the problem of the debt itself.
1 ]+ ]& n) \3 f% O! S1 t1 Jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 ]0 s/ h  X3 Y; q7 g# n) l, x小弟一直都唔明...' P" K. j, k3 V5 w4 o; m
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?' Q: {0 h& x9 C& D

0 a3 a! i2 I1 O/ R% P7 O無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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+ x& d- R2 ]  |, p* C敬請各師兄解答- y* F- O  z: L; Y# F/ z
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Thanks
3 J/ p( o- v4 |0 Z( k那些根本係 紙上財富  
, ~; A/ Z5 b9 T3 t6 C各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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, |* O2 |& h7 L# q/ Fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 D- R+ Q9 R* A8 x4 y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: i  T) u; f" f/ X' ^9 r9 f% w8 \7 x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 B* c: q5 a% t% W( ^
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& X1 H6 v" z( s
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& `: a, G; e1 q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺" A% D) M$ z, H, ^7 J# W; d4 g4 m
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 W7 K1 `8 e& v+ I
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ N  p4 v8 u) g- V5 b但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* _- h" d6 J( R) v例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: ^0 h% ?  ^1 R9 \- i2 y- k2 _# C咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 j5 G# ^: w; `& A( i# i( ]$ ^
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 z! J# K& A2 L; }& Y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* y; r; w, o/ T: y2 R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& M  z9 K+ p' N. p9 j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 w) R( W; g7 l( I  \9 F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 |- M' L& w+ Z3 m唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; r. B, B2 J+ P: J) l" p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 w  g; G; k! L: T; W呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! z* ]3 k- ]/ }' x* y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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  y1 |2 G9 Z5 y6 ?+ c+ h正係咁樣
: r% |, m& Z& V6 x( l其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 T: a. c. K# D6 G# A0 ?連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# i. u  R: b% |9 L3 i# S: n一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 o1 a3 U- N: ~$ M8 g" X編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( J* {4 J' i( [2 S; O8 f咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 h" Y8 \2 W8 ]# c4 T& ~
因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 i0 `+ l2 M+ j# i1 R4 ~+ J. `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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