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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! r* f/ K" {; f3 a; J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* Z. J, S$ [$ S; _* b7 u7 W/ w
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢; [( f- k- I. Y$ T# _- d1 `5 k4 \2 J/ n
so銀行可以不斷放款0 Z" s* f6 Q: e7 U; U7 W9 J
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; Q6 u% l; |% A

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- ]0 C$ X7 q! [0 `
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& g5 b7 ~& M9 x, K. O: ECDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ M: m: @4 j: V* _0 T2 H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 M( X% Y. E+ J, L+ C! T" @* \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' F1 V# `( j# M8 L& J% F
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% B8 t& X" o& D: @; l6 X- w
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% L6 V! D+ A. [3 ^) |' I5 rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
+ }: Y8 n$ [  K9 Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 }; C$ V* a( ]3 |
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' j& p0 Y: f/ V+ }& @. i/ E
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." T" O6 L. e& ~; I# u0 z9 C5 a2 T
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
+ [* g7 y9 O6 ein stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& m- X& C: {, Q3 E) p9 lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,6 o$ k$ g9 n- H8 ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ q% u2 r$ \; ]5 p6 m( ]The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 ]7 t  f6 ]& F1 v: n- Y' @$ a' @but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.' P. |# ~* g" J7 Q4 e' r2 K
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; m9 u7 Z  d6 U5 v
Refer to last example,
6 `8 x9 k; Z+ u1 T& N1 V( _that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( A+ W* A( {5 X5 C$ j: U) ZBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # ^9 C! G& o, h5 @& e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) ]6 C& ]+ v: R  V. V9 Z4 iA->B->C->D->E( L" z& e* v/ G/ W2 a  k+ `
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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6 T  o  B1 E7 @the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 n0 w1 d+ ]. |) e+ r9 Q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ k9 B0 P, b! u  N0 mit's the problem of the debt itself.
. _( J$ o4 o. l+ s9 Jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* f( F1 T. ~, K; V- Q  C
小弟一直都唔明...1 C$ n4 X7 ^% o, Z" Z
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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+ x0 L( j# [" j* K0 L" H無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ! S+ |7 `. }0 Y; y/ n" ]
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 F8 V4 j- Q. X8 _

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
0 \  J& b$ G5 A當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: G" `/ N: W1 S: ^
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 x1 y1 ?% m' i4 ^個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" d. C3 O6 g; V! J: V5 C扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, ?: S% N% X4 z/ a; I; K計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 e5 [$ j& i6 Z/ X4 L! ]前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 m8 T' l( P- i! R" _9 ~$ y同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
. H, I5 a9 @: d' W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 J, o6 a% B! O2 }0 q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ( l/ m6 J) y7 j  t
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%. J0 f8 O% Y+ u# r2 D+ O9 G( e$ Z% \7 |
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ U! i+ ^5 R8 Q3 c1 [

% V4 J4 P- w1 U3 ^你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- S! ?! T4 U* r- b( p2 w但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 s7 K9 @% s( X3 K' _" \5 a1 i  D' M淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 f) o: B4 {1 |) f9 Z5 i2 r
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' `  f3 L: N: y' {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 K* _0 v( q/ r' d9 D- }! s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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正係咁樣0 X% ^& S6 V( _# f
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  v' S, X, T2 D6 e# r
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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6 |7 b% f( M& I5 d再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,# R9 P+ r6 j3 {" B6 G
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 C- R5 z4 k+ n5 o  |
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產/ J1 {. \3 _8 L! \/ y8 H5 F
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) G# r9 \& v1 ?% O5 M  _5 h咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 {$ x. Q7 [  V0 o
因為以前未生產, 先消費4 z# _1 [- Y9 E5 G2 o' n% ~
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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