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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' G9 @! c) `# r; v: y' A5 k4 fWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???, Z; c2 {* s, k6 I$ B6 E; ]
I was so confused.....
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; |; d7 J( R3 {講到尾都係賺錢4 ^( H: V  H8 K/ ]8 Y
so銀行可以不斷放款
# ]! z  Z# K! X7 R& S5 {美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; x; J8 h8 t" ]. m3 ?

$ t8 D7 g) H( m% q' qmortgage loan
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4 D* ~4 M8 f# a) G>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# u+ o0 ], m* I: a% A! |
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.7 c" P& W3 K; H* {% M; H/ Y
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
' F& g/ a; f  m7 R! p% _2 \more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.: V6 E; D* X% A% _& T* J
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
/ n! M" z4 m1 J9 ^" p$ x" hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# V. o* `2 Y/ t' n$ g9 C
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 }* ^4 J: V& ^6 a+ T- zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% f% l' H% ~: A% v/ K1 o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 X+ `6 v& x# d6 |; I; p: Y. s$ j8 F
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 C( k. k0 Z* b7 Dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 {3 i/ T1 ~' V' D
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
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For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 ^- S( k. u, X/ u$ Q8 UA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.& I7 o4 g0 Q7 W) K
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # ]# M: F. N. V
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" o/ R  Y0 u; ]6 qRefer to last example,1 ^' B& {5 }  p5 S2 y; E1 v
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; ^" U5 _# p; ^Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# i5 Z9 J% O! Ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E, U$ l, T8 X! u
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ {8 B7 Q4 L0 @* j; H; o; tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?* {4 c+ o! I/ l" `. `, i

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & ~3 D) q; X! z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 x& k; K! }7 K! ?% e+ O
it's the problem of the debt itself.
* d% W) l5 u$ [  H- t/ g( xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 Y( x% m/ K# N7 c' _" G1 D小弟一直都唔明...2 t+ r* h* {! K2 m

, @" j1 {# q0 u" ^" Z全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 _6 M6 y3 N3 M6 V, ?+ L* s無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., n7 {" x! |  s! G" q& K3 |+ q# i# q4 d
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  1 }  h  Z0 c; j6 K
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 G+ A& X" w- ?( J  \& q: Y. q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* R/ B% F5 _  O- j5 O0 o; H
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& w" q& d& W- |6 C4 G
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' ~+ x) w" m5 A6 @9 E& D扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 Y# g! u1 |9 p- N. Z2 G
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- `; r7 c) `1 c! e5 m前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( v0 J; Q0 T+ D3 R同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# M' S# M2 ~. r5 N
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" K, A7 i" i! p例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' C2 u( a7 Y4 |, b3 _
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# W& P  T9 L& s; d* O
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* d2 R+ z1 n6 ?
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, n" v4 }) J4 v5 G8 U但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 X7 Q$ @0 [% k9 Z: A淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # T  I# G4 y9 I% |- L' b1 f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 C" N; J" y0 T( V) W唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + e" T) `% M/ `. P" F1 S8 f9 E6 {" f* Q7 d
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 ?7 P5 K9 e# r5 f+ a2 v4 D
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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4 M1 y7 R2 J8 {) e# a8 r4 B再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) g4 f; E& Y* I( _3 }7 T
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' c5 b+ O( Y" i/ F4 B一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 [0 r" s# g: P' k' ]編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* Q) Z, D  J4 d$ y, f$ ]
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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) |' p2 ~/ H( s- h/ l- t其實係...$ n0 I4 p1 [- |% b
因為以前未生產, 先消費
* h) @  W7 X9 A( p7 N! {而家就要多生產, 少消費
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