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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) z7 h" D* ~) B% x& C, Q% z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* ^. L  ^9 p2 V) r- x; {4 \
I was so confused.....
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( x  q0 n3 N3 m& }" @! [講到尾都係賺錢
0 L% y- }5 T1 I5 ~7 T0 E# R; _. Eso銀行可以不斷放款$ p: J( v4 e! V( d. S
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) U0 D( c3 x; p3 U, o- _" _2 L
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mortgage loan
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- R2 K. w+ |- Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); S. @+ H7 [. @! s: Z
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 C7 ]/ [) f$ g/ C# a$ V
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; S/ S3 j3 |9 I; E4 _
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.9 Q9 m# u4 s! M7 S: V: a& C9 F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
+ K' X% b* B( ^3 K5 min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% ~& }- e1 R/ B# k7 }
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) \7 W" R1 ?! B9 d: g2 Tsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( k5 L9 B( Z+ L6 |
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( f4 h/ R; \# v6 _5 u+ l
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 e' T, m& c7 D# i" |banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., ~! b# M1 C- [9 m$ f7 x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  L! }; g& H# \) s1 Y" TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! ^3 ?9 P4 q+ k) `1 L9 ?
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ A$ k2 U1 c( y9 l8 y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & k/ a8 X5 V% b" G9 H0 ]
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& c2 ~# \9 L1 r, _
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' i& B: M; H# Y' F0 [
Refer to last example,: j* [: T/ m% J0 B
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; a2 v% I& u: J' a  L  kBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ H; [: R- Q) ~% d+ P* E# [2 [, stherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E+ ~- m  }" w' G- n' H5 B
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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+ e& S0 ]9 g: |8 \: Uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 D7 J* Z4 @4 `8 {8 rin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' P0 ?4 d9 ~0 y" ?6 q, e- j+ |
it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ d3 T  S, [( I) h* P9 ythe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( Z1 D* Z9 _+ a& D) d! i+ |小弟一直都唔明...
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4 ?/ r1 `& w" v( J, |$ n- ]. i全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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5 ~0 q! U$ \+ `4 L9 {無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." f5 U  O( ?9 ]* G4 X8 G# Z

8 S6 x- F' h% u( v7 e敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
1 ^- D7 @+ g- U* P$ S5 c那些根本係 紙上財富  1 c! R5 q; m3 D0 F# ?0 V0 ^4 ~
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  d: D/ \. C+ z! C當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 V0 U$ b7 t1 _
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" j5 m0 q/ F$ g7 ~; G( `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: I! J7 \. k+ d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 w3 N" W3 m5 V7 x# I5 ~
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: X% H! y/ k3 V
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 z9 }/ o' ^, l" |6 }3 i% g, s: A
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% O* g% X& b9 k1 `9 U
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- d  B$ Z) w: g1 H
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: p* ]- L2 C  u1 r# p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# W9 T8 T) V6 v0 p' n- j8 a4 L所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 N4 Q2 F. y! _6 ~  B% t) _2 j
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # [$ E+ u+ c$ W' _6 R/ W% C
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; u6 i5 y; J. D& r) N: ?# b
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) I5 z  U4 ]/ ^$ k* ^& \呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
7 E0 V; q, m$ O咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( R7 w2 W- l* m# K
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / c+ Y5 w: n$ G# D/ p, G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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3 w4 w! ^; J6 n8 i正係咁樣: D4 l# @  ^% d; S+ r+ {; Y' J  {
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- L9 _1 y% s4 D& y( W
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: h: B& U/ B% k( R# s: D# M9 b
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產3 u- n$ H4 k; r( }$ p
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ O' w4 ]: O" j, b0 e% C
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
. b4 k& l: `7 `" D$ g  C6 M而家就要多生產, 少消費
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