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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# F7 ?/ N/ C& Z2 o, y" j! z! Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???( _3 P3 J0 J( n8 ^6 }) @
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
  ~, I1 d# G. u2 A0 g5 d/ hso銀行可以不斷放款
0 ]1 `4 F% J% _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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7 E4 O+ q) x. C; r" nmortgage loan ' @8 N" Y; O4 m9 H+ u
>conduit: `$ r5 V0 M8 E; L" t% k
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
2 c* L  ?9 j8 j/ _( V& F9 mCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
) @) P" L+ A9 Wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ r8 v4 w# k$ U" s  pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 Z0 D5 A3 S0 \; q, ?8 f
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. _  F5 Y1 @% X1 t, LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! Z+ ?) D8 n: f4 T# F. F) t) ^
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- c5 i0 t' t6 A) a' U- _1 W+ wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 L2 C, m. y0 s2 P
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 `0 r; V! [6 B0 q1 ]- Abanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." e' I, f3 w  ~
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
& z3 U3 t- }" ^3 Q3 Gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" s- f3 T' o  Q. B* QFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% d( i! o7 |4 b  U
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.; [$ l. ?: y6 ?' b
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 L: m" P" K  n; l9 J6 Z
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! J, e+ _" D- ?+ I) z

: M/ J- D' C; L: l. {! l[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  a4 o# Q- Y: p4 Z: NRefer to last example,, ^6 @# @7 O; \8 i3 J8 Y% a
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
3 q* n& T8 s' G' B: T; n( p4 tBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 [+ ^; m6 X/ s+ K3 m: a7 K/ _, etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" ~- S2 z1 v1 S0 e6 N4 b5 ]A->B->C->D->E: c* x) I( g: y1 W! x% d9 ]. ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: T2 ^1 T/ ^  g; n& sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' v, t* |% U; ]! e# I4 Z: c
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) f/ ^9 K# u  t9 |& u, ]( V6 M6 U6 vit's the problem of the debt itself." W/ B( Z/ K" ?! U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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* H# g+ J+ _" a全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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, `5 e1 G% \' e$ i1 e1 W# _, W無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 f: P" b: a) h% P6 a( [
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 I9 t% W+ L4 z  G+ }! G1 k各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 C' v' L. j) N0 k8 G* N當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# y1 m0 o3 C) @8 _
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! k% q/ h0 H4 g) s5 j1 ]個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 i/ `  }1 }6 `5 d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
1 o' F: D! k! N4 _6 e2 S計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺# D$ Y3 C5 x$ f, U3 ~; B
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 Y$ W+ P5 ]( X7 b同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
. ~6 N( E. i. q, v& y' \. \9 W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 i7 q' Q. N3 t1 ~  l& d$ k例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + R5 }& Z/ p6 F2 E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" Q& y" X) F- \4 N
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 s. ^7 W) q+ i$ d你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , o! V$ p( C, l. ~! j! [
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" I0 l. O5 ^1 H; x0 i! N# m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ H! X8 c: X6 V8 L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 I3 a1 w4 V! w% B0 N
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 c# D) r9 j+ J: |1 a0 K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 Q! |2 |) t! n( n8 X, U5 b/ B
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
+ H( O9 ?+ u$ Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 B9 V4 h' M  K& j: v6 X! i5 ]( I分分鐘佢地唔使還錢# T  K$ v! p' T$ `

$ `0 E3 G9 v) a( e' F$ I5 v% x再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 x9 V5 Q+ U$ S$ f7 `! D4 h連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 B( x. V% n, [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
  m! e' n0 ^: J, z  \& }* I編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. ~  q9 K! x1 X6 T) F! w咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
5 D4 S/ _: Q, V0 ]' C/ w- c8 C0 D- \因為以前未生產, 先消費
( j7 k5 x/ I/ x+ ?5 q* {而家就要多生產, 少消費
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