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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. @" B4 _& ]" W  f. KWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 r0 V- A' f$ B& F7 B4 w8 M
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢7 H, i0 s; Z: F# q# V- i
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 U% l( D# Z8 \3 W0 W3 o- B美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, D6 s% W9 b3 T
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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  r* Y1 I% ?) t>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.: Q5 |# B4 U& |3 c( N# G% \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 P- J/ f" o# Q8 u
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 y1 X0 r8 r! ^5 p5 h
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
# J3 h( k9 M; M4 P, z8 ~' hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: M1 G  S1 }0 j; A) O; sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, s! l5 s# G- b! ?) E4 bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  ~7 `% |! w+ ~! J/ l3 V3 Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " ?2 C7 F/ S! C: ~: l0 n! g, ?$ ^
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
- q. [7 ?! T1 `1 e5 _9 A: n6 D' z3 pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 R  b* P% @4 M& l2 T- din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
- G: ~& i* v! Z  N# g' U4 @# yFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 {1 p, J8 G% h3 E
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., k2 Z4 G( r0 Z  i3 Y* t' z
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! I! Q* S# x6 E% Tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 z8 p: v/ k7 N9 x6 n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 g/ K" l' N3 e2 L7 A/ b7 lRefer to last example,
$ C# {6 R" D5 N' `* e$ |' I* othat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / H" q. y8 h) b  p& `6 A$ \! l6 H
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   ^  e# j1 d# S* M  \. A
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
( q& Q( b; E2 A2 Nso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 o  c+ O% h# F+ Z2 f
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?7 `: X2 Q3 [: \- i

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  j* I" S1 ]9 B, N1 ]8 p1 gin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
9 i; w; g2 l  u' _/ p6 m5 C0 w! z7 ?it's the problem of the debt itself.) s$ e+ B9 [- n; x6 ?. |+ N
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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4 g1 H3 Z/ `) z敬請各師兄解答
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7 C$ y$ N' Y, d4 S. [6 BThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 W6 ~# S. C8 p) a1 Z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ B& j, z! [, \  O: q

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 o8 }) E8 w6 f: t9 j8 z9 M
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
$ e/ Y8 Z  Z* ], T/ s於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 w. W2 i/ F/ U( j2 c, `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦7 Q0 R, N% f2 h9 f9 e. C
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ Y  K. N) c' L6 o* |計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( o2 s0 l4 y! t  ^: w0 N  P
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& Z9 m- t: p5 b( }/ v同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, r  h' w7 J" f( p  W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 |# C3 Y* i4 p( J) A# u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 J3 i# U8 I" g" k! T- j咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: J+ B  _' h6 v$ _! Z- m( G
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% h$ E% V% Q# u. d

8 }" Z: L/ r/ T* v你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ {0 B% ?! l. t5 z7 {3 P, `/ u. N1 o: v但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 O* S" o! z- }  m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / {/ f/ S( ?9 E2 y3 R2 z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: |# l: H4 X% ?& K: B4 {- y' H3 n
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 [2 v0 e" b6 L! A  t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * |8 D3 k( e+ M- o+ Y. U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 D. t2 }( n) t! t# G: N4 k) O
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
, [! n& A* e; ?% k- G其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業+ J2 W! }8 F: ]5 ?& ^
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 e- g  y! p# G! x4 C連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 e; L' E  f+ T. g( p9 a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
$ Q4 r8 \( ~' \& B+ w編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 M/ v2 }  @) l4 o+ l9 n6 _3 n8 v" O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 \4 Q  [- Q! K$ }6 s) y( T而家就要多生產, 少消費
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