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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* }: w6 u5 z8 Z1 s7 vWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; [2 O: T4 H# B& _6 B1 c9 n$ YI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢/ Y; x8 M5 z/ j6 O, S
so銀行可以不斷放款5 S! J" l. I0 ~/ h5 I: h0 B7 i
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% ?4 {9 x8 {1 J! q. y

' C& c: Y8 v7 ~3 a7 Pmortgage loan
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: E" ]+ p& s/ e) ]* r  i5 f( L" g>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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8 I* U/ I  k# Q" u6 O5 P+ @>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 ]1 J) j7 x' b$ S/ f1 P7 L
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ K4 }8 L* b4 f# k3 \9 s6 y7 ~
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.8 P8 o7 U4 C4 Q+ D
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,0 B) h% G0 m4 O- x, {  r6 }. u. j
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. j& C/ m" i$ R! S9 y& W; \Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( n3 e7 {1 P* T+ Y- F! f
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 H" _& `3 G9 p; x
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 E! K0 r* s1 f/ {& R  d' \eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # W  @: [4 W0 q4 Z8 h  I
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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: Z2 T' x4 E: \9 Z  v# n& j8 K4 v  pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: ^4 P0 v2 Y" L7 y2 x0 H  D
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
7 ?/ U9 e# N6 GFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- L. V$ c5 ?8 ~1 l% _A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: i, {/ c6 L  p
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , U* J! l& N) e" h
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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3 h- E% w! s0 \' I# q; E[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 i6 U7 z- `# |0 O7 A7 j
Refer to last example,4 U9 A6 s) [0 J$ }: i0 {! H
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 F9 R( q4 `/ }$ G8 ?" I
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 Z( d4 Q: U& f: P* k, g, N
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 R: a. [2 T5 L6 k" h7 I. Y8 H' ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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* X' P6 l! q4 Qthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* C. G4 O0 T9 V" D# [in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - x$ ^6 l- w' k3 @
it's the problem of the debt itself.+ S0 ?- K( t( G8 w0 L/ p" q+ O7 Y
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 d( u9 a& Z+ R, I* ?" r
小弟一直都唔明...5 y7 F( r8 |* g, U. {( j$ O: t
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?" x( w! Z3 A! ]9 A  N
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 s, X( B" f! f  \) }" M  f

4 g4 E+ D' \. n8 h敬請各師兄解答" n- p; V% q: J  }
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Thanks
& o, K* @/ g- ], w  ]0 U' `+ H% C$ x那些根本係 紙上財富  
. i& T6 e: t# R! ^7 z各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
0 V3 s( U& e& o$ `. o2 [當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 H, y* O; F8 a8 T
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! I# q  V' o( }+ E' R# Y個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. \2 \6 ?4 H0 o3 Z4 v: R( N2 ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 N9 ]( B: X- [2 k/ `- e: \; }
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" N, ~7 V# ~+ f4 [前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! ?; Q' N( s; _0 j2 m8 V$ ~1 N2 O
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" i% B2 s4 j9 m2 b" y: u1 X9 |但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  w0 `. j0 w+ `例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 n: ?5 f+ r! |咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
9 r( h! @" x7 \所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 _- \. q4 D1 c3 N
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
: `9 T1 M0 r; m3 y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 r$ C$ \  A" i( @" A淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # i% |9 q* N1 E8 N2 f. I4 A8 P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" C$ e! b8 V: J; ~/ D唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: N5 C+ W3 J' S# O9 G3 T& y9 Y. u- s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# U8 v. l: X1 `, f; w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 e- u' p! j; M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣7 s4 L7 T& P3 t
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& Q5 @; V% Q8 |0 p) O# D分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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# b4 }$ N2 c: y  v; h再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  E% U5 ?  X. W$ P8 O+ J/ @
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票2 ~: ~. l+ g1 _3 Q; j* s6 E
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 C: i1 Z: U' U. O* F" |6 z0 u
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% B) d' A% p2 t( T5 J& ~  f) d
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 n. [2 |, ~, R1 f5 W其實係...- c& i; @6 H* g. `5 z$ P& R
因為以前未生產, 先消費' m2 A' Y6 t" K- u5 Z* O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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