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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. K, J$ G' `& w* X( G
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 _- x0 q; s6 X% w2 w- d5 O# X( I9 g% CI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
3 s8 L0 l- C2 c4 v0 Lso銀行可以不斷放款, J: c( i, u( e; A3 L
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& g" q9 [; N& L

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
7 r% k2 F: G$ u6 ~: YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: m: B9 H; x" n2 Z" @  k  C1 R+ Smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; w0 Q# X" }- V! x: Tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 L0 O0 {+ Z7 @6 \, o4 I9 k) _5 [in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.4 L6 u3 j6 Y( I, r
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
+ h; ~8 d) T, o9 _similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 J; ]7 G3 |7 O& H6 m6 K: b2 hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
: a1 I9 ~  V0 u' u, k* N( y- leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 V6 m$ q9 C3 B  z; q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# s  g& \) m, s9 M& G8 {  Sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. Q8 m$ T- }5 X. B' fFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 |1 L+ b' V  `  [% Q3 \0 X
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  [# @3 ~7 X! y: j" JThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 \7 w2 h# T* _, J. ~but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; @! G" {% j# N5 W* u: \+ ~' Y: [
Refer to last example,
% N4 \) b* i( A) z2 ^  v$ g0 }; Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! D4 b* R" M, U3 r4 p$ cBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 6 h& N0 s5 A; y) z8 P8 M% J. f
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , p! a! N9 c: z: a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; Y9 ?6 M8 \! P2 h3 S6 m
it's the problem of the debt itself.
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原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 ^7 S! A# y8 {5 c
小弟一直都唔明...
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- h# V; O# h1 {3 `7 f( j全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& Y. D9 D9 s/ I  l. l; u/ Y% q

, z6 h( p9 X1 h敬請各師兄解答  t; o9 w$ z* W- c, C4 g8 J

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那些根本係 紙上財富  . U+ q. |! s& z) n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ }/ E2 z) F4 ?% q4 n

" [3 Q6 e! e+ e0 P( f; Chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# o. a# A0 W" Z! e- \  ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- @0 H) x9 A) T) m* u
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" U* u6 }# R+ `
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- R6 t7 f, B- n7 c. S
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ {: T+ e8 G' g/ \1 c/ p0 c
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 b& t% `9 E5 I. y
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 J  K$ ]3 t$ o& o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( C3 `, g( x. B% b5 I, H但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 f3 G; E9 k  f; h7 I. K$ S
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 y# @! y; n% n: J# o. C5 Q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
( Q" ^, z2 |" [# f5 |0 X所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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9 ]+ S) [$ K7 I) z! p* Y, H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, o: d1 [$ j) B. A/ ?; q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * b* x$ ?3 J' i& q5 z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & t# o- t. W& _
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( @5 y# r7 O  a5 b, S
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
9 K1 |( w4 ]! m1 _4 F* L其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 m# v% U9 Q+ S分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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5 V+ w" f, V' G( U+ x7 W6 \再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 u8 K0 W+ z3 x) x! {3 I3 V
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票  F  K1 O! }7 e6 _" T! d! ~/ ?) _
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 O" D5 @; W3 Z( X7 z  b" N編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% x' F5 {& b6 ]/ a+ C
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...) ?: b$ ?1 u% T/ x. q8 h& A6 P, Y' L
因為以前未生產, 先消費
( k& ~0 r0 Z# n, n( ~1 S- W$ ~$ g' L而家就要多生產, 少消費
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