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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# t/ A- W& V! h# Y) }Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& V+ ]4 s0 g. a; N, g: U
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢. d# s+ `* W% B" h8 I4 t0 M
so銀行可以不斷放款
/ \0 k7 z: x3 a2 u美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" l) x# f" S2 P% f4 d6 ?/ H
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)2 I5 [, }( K$ N5 F
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 f' _1 j5 v$ r3 _+ U
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 Q3 i5 |- d8 y+ r1 l
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.+ Y" K! b- k8 W9 z! w
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) P7 a- J$ J* O' u* a" Y% sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 U7 L5 d! N, W3 Z+ l9 x
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
/ ^7 T8 @1 g0 w& D! }3 C/ p% z7 xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,; r% H# T: L( T: `$ H; F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
7 `% B1 d' Q8 N! W/ D4 P' ]eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
  E$ H, z) T+ |% Mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 a0 b6 d7 j4 E

1 f6 i( z  ~! b8 e7 |5 @0 C  Rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' v4 A2 W  T1 Q0 M7 u7 z$ N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards., t+ d7 e' E4 o: q; |3 [2 o
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 y, e9 f1 t1 o4 G' e7 g* a+ h
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! C2 Y+ ^& G8 N# v/ z& j: S; S' sThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : G8 U& E* r& r' a7 u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- D4 P; f6 E) ZRefer to last example,3 i4 g  R$ @; H1 u  t2 q7 I% e
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , D" R) c% d- ?: y& h' P2 O0 N/ j
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- `5 \7 R- ]; W/ Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" F6 _- {6 O3 m4 o+ eA->B->C->D->E
6 ~2 l7 X& ~3 X2 N5 C& j9 Lso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: v& s/ z2 W2 v5 h; [( T) Vall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 T0 i! L' G! o$ X( Sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - m' I3 O. v6 O. I) P5 ?/ I/ F+ w$ e
it's the problem of the debt itself.
" D/ H! D! l0 Z* |: f6 |& p. Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! i" ~" K6 M; H; m
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?! v0 W& M# [6 ?2 W7 a
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答0 G1 t3 N3 Y! J' f7 ]

" {8 ^2 v, i/ J# p, WThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, L# c6 n. G8 a0 ^  Z  R) C! T& w各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; i% W0 ~8 ^, m/ E) G
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
; ~/ m6 y' Z$ {, F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! v2 m, b. l% F4 X. y; w( X- l
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; y; g' F2 A( Q( `2 `
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( e$ k8 l% L% z7 i扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( D. T0 S  ^( D
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 H  q4 c' l# q. q8 L. T$ U
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) j7 G0 X2 D* ?. n: Y同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# J6 n$ j4 s0 y0 `& E5 W% M
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺8 A1 T6 [9 F8 _6 H" E, f2 T
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
' ]3 M0 h3 z* |% M( ~# ^; D咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%& F: a! y& M( s# t; ]- P6 Z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁# Z! ^$ T# Q4 v3 e8 t  G

# B; S( B. J  s- x+ U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 1 _  }  B' W% P  H* j( o" g$ i
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 L" |, p) k' `0 i- m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & r  h1 J7 w. L
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% i# d$ r! W( W; P
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 m( E/ ]5 B7 l
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 k5 F. [: r4 s. Z7 a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
0 e5 E; J% {" @0 i* M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣3 \! \3 y% M! A1 }7 `0 ]  Y
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業( b- p* D! g7 K$ f5 h$ Q* p. y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 `3 s  ]4 J1 _2 S8 G連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 [3 {, B% G' x一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 l6 f; D& X( l
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 K+ \' \) q4 H  K* t
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 U" X% c5 S' \1 D3 V2 F9 _' X因為以前未生產, 先消費9 N' k( [, O4 Q9 {  _" K; P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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