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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& `1 i  g, B* e# d
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; u/ O+ V& n$ u/ A
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
- Q! F( L2 O2 m+ c; e! K" J/ Q+ Oso銀行可以不斷放款
# F+ L' J6 B) k5 E+ s美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 L3 Y7 J, f4 ^
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mortgage loan
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, [* w7 J4 D6 p1 @- R! T>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.9 ?5 P* \- j4 I2 r7 A" C5 c( i/ Z
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* e& b9 `  t& y$ h( W4 s, I
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." o+ s+ ]8 L* H% G! i$ |3 w
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 C6 _$ O. o1 C) W
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, h/ R& h! y: N; Z% _! sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 X: H: r2 I+ Z( x
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- A1 b8 N0 b* T8 p/ T& O, mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' _+ A) J) n. ?1 O+ v; t2 ?: m! N: v
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 T& Z5 p/ z( B' l+ x: `5 U  f
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  F) g+ p0 W+ Nin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 m0 j9 `& S6 C, [; g$ N
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 F, V; |2 o" r: ~9 w
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; F, c. p9 ~7 I- H/ s; wThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! t; p; A' u% R9 [4 j% ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ V7 ?. k, I6 k  L2 [+ ^4 I1 O$ i9 g
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 p: G: h- A! `9 _Refer to last example,
& p0 h3 d* N* K4 L3 |, I, ]; Lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 0 y! B5 e4 r2 v8 R: W6 x: `
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # R6 U4 G% C* V, Y- m
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E8 N- r/ C; c0 S( y: Q' I( m. u
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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2 D; \" E# n, \" c6 G. ?8 q" mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 x9 J; ~, i: M" V4 ~' l# e8 M
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , F& V- ~  ]1 Z8 L  T
it's the problem of the debt itself.
3 J/ x  v% J6 pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) m1 c  |' ?/ _! ^6 ~/ o

1 ^% }) j/ A- N: Y$ G+ a無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ ~9 G* b2 V: [1 ?

- C5 q( G  G  B' l* I4 t  l敬請各師兄解答  [6 \& R. P+ L6 [) d5 @
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " R8 R- I' c7 }3 Y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! b8 ^6 C/ r4 O# b  H
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 I. u6 h% h: y! ]
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
% ~& o2 d/ S$ F( i於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 V9 `7 k' q( h2 s# w1 S" ^: k! N
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
% i) @! T$ y1 C$ x扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 z* f2 [/ m8 z0 Z, Z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- _4 d/ y# {3 O* ]' s: Q$ w* l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: u$ e& E# H0 q) D5 L同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ p3 G# X; r* T. x, ^: U, I" A但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ Z9 h, d- B+ u/ U例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 ~; ^% B/ k/ T4 s6 |) x
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%5 j2 B3 \0 F' x
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 `! p+ d2 ~7 z! d: a# r! G3 ~1 j( M
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " A  F3 g/ t& ]( _
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 k( N% V5 f4 i! v% @. |
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& M6 @; f6 h' X$ ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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! j1 u( ^6 g- r  O$ U3 I( q/ U' k咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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+ ?- Z/ b9 F  l6 O; R) z  a+ \其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ r8 X% E. A% K( G
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( N$ ]+ K8 @. |  P* e" e
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 N% v- E+ ^) E" G: n% Q7 U
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 w8 k' {* j( G" a" U/ d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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  }) h1 G. z, S* ^- L9 V/ f( U其實係...
; }7 R* x8 E* B' X, B4 o) \因為以前未生產, 先消費$ k$ k6 f0 S6 T  F) j$ F
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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