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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ f0 ~& Y+ K# v& D+ L
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 q# ~+ u" A4 W+ |( C- i
I was so confused.....
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, W4 J. r; ]5 R  O講到尾都係賺錢7 v% r: Y: o, i/ \1 K" d
so銀行可以不斷放款7 G/ T( x8 I2 \. X, K" g
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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  t; K# N( q- N1 N# Gmortgage loan 6 _4 x+ G7 q' H3 b2 U
>conduit
- {+ G1 ^9 P0 H! ^2 P>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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! i. A2 T# Y6 \4 J7 R>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)* m9 |3 f7 P- w% p# j
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; ?! I4 i* m' H9 j) c
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 @9 j; R7 Y4 w( k  hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ f! U7 w! |% z" c
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,/ G; ^+ F: [8 }+ O( O6 O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 |, @3 E) G2 |8 S: n) \1 O/ X( c- bAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
$ ^! q% I+ x8 V) Z0 Jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
) \8 G6 ~/ k* j: p+ dnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 Y& r. ]$ T; Y9 M3 [" d
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ r" m6 S; p% E/ O* S, r% Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: f1 N  f3 w& x2 u9 D9 N0 J( i* N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
( |" A% Z- v/ Fin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 l  n$ Q$ Y9 H# X9 M9 |% {8 VFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  d7 ^* o) _2 G8 a3 u  \2 E' A
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ ~; B" [, {3 B/ D  e
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : f7 D1 {1 k; |: i8 y+ D
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* f* c) `& B: v, ?

; R6 P0 H4 G  P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% E. G9 s2 d3 @0 s4 q2 z: O" [
Refer to last example,
5 e% K& e% \5 [6 v7 V! S) Q* y. Bthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# B; o/ l* x. X6 Z8 u8 e2 i- SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; J& S2 t. O/ s  z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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5 X) b4 K/ |# |7 mA->B->C->D->E1 K% o) y/ J& }  ]+ `2 D
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, : K" L7 d; H/ m3 Z$ e9 [- u. }& @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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$ l" l* K$ b5 J/ Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 \' d3 {# H% d. A, D8 `. ^4 Y- ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * m4 |- w, j: @# x
it's the problem of the debt itself.
8 \: Q/ X, U2 e) M* ]$ V( d4 dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 `; O" M  T7 A: E
小弟一直都唔明...! {3 B1 W" `5 o. r6 r! c0 g9 g

' s: |2 l, ?' I! u全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, w3 g8 c) h( B: k
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答) b8 o1 v9 S  P: i

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
! l+ n8 w- o0 p/ A* S2 u2 l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! a2 m0 v' G" j. dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  t9 t- S3 {* B8 U' ]0 \
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' ]0 U. B4 x* _. g% d- s
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% G4 w8 |: `# ^5 p+ S
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 l  V  `1 R& {& J4 x' Z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊," v# k& {) v. o# Y$ n
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* g; O  S4 n. a  r' a前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法* d' O: s4 Y; E+ X; A
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 i6 @( S' K' B
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* Y& `8 {! q6 |0 y) ]4 ]* d  m
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) n5 U; H, D' a咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 |; ~8 e& \/ h4 u8 v4 e
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 b0 r+ Z9 X9 K  B: ?# m+ C$ }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & V& G$ B5 L* g) Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 s# E7 O9 G5 E/ ?* Z' A0 G呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# I1 _  T8 s! B
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! @/ u8 n" O, r9 n, o4 t( ]
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* k4 p3 u6 P4 u5 T' |" d( X: O/ c! l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% ?  }* u& Z: t) N4 C正係咁樣
! D& P0 T# K% ]$ G. v其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
, Q1 M# @# d5 P% k& l! {8 w5 a分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,7 h  a( c. b0 ]' g: H
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# {. e) j! n( z* a/ L7 L" T4 X, L一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ |- w5 k9 J% z( n" ?2 ]
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 x5 Y5 E3 L: V( o- o& X- Y+ X4 R咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
9 [# I! N7 y1 V% T  ]6 R8 t: V* k因為以前未生產, 先消費
# P: w2 g5 S/ h9 I1 p8 {而家就要多生產, 少消費
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