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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% j- n+ c& z$ F5 p* @- q9 O
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 l: m, o, W$ h% d
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
0 Y9 h7 h# E" ^* W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! s( s/ f1 E" F7 o8 z9 [mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' Q# }) U; l5 k7 @6 S7 NCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: D- q$ _) I1 l( F. tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' I* F& ?- u3 J
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# n) Z% `2 H# e* z. W9 r, ?& V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 U6 Z  o) [- ?2 j$ |! w3 j+ E+ y0 uAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! w5 W# h5 j' Z6 a+ Zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 Y' h$ {) S: m1 I8 w$ Onormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
. R/ I8 @' T  B* f: ueg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ C5 y% \, j' t+ Z8 jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' d  G0 ^: o7 m! ~# |& @: F4 Rim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case." P8 H7 H6 O5 ?! @
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. u" l" ]4 U) O5 c2 ?( a: TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ u. C& q# I4 r" L' m7 E: t  h. n+ XA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  B! ]" B4 U- s2 T% tThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 E$ D9 X3 n. F& e: f$ \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- t# Z, j8 [/ |! O! Q; L: B2 i

) _' L7 X% I# s9 A. h$ G' G[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 h+ y+ B) J9 _9 \9 A) nRefer to last example,& W9 l# Q$ s( e! r
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 F& @: p6 }7 \( ?# O  G  I
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % _0 O3 u9 g) N. ?' F) x) T6 Q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 B$ B2 y) y# T8 {1 J# ZA->B->C->D->E
& V) W0 _: ^" g/ k' y0 R$ Vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
# r6 p6 M3 U' xall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) v6 K/ Q4 ?6 _5 {0 R/ G; s
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 n7 `! r  w" i6 e1 s  I6 @in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 X! V% r/ M1 m
it's the problem of the debt itself.# C" u! c! S* V" R+ C
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 M$ U0 o5 n: a2 o& t# }4 h' j
小弟一直都唔明...
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8 E4 d/ d5 D0 d. ^! ~- `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...4 d- P8 M2 V1 {9 R& G- I* O

2 H! j& n9 L$ C, Q1 C0 i; k5 s敬請各師兄解答0 J9 T1 a# i9 K( \) ^
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  1 f( w! ?+ b- W* p& i& L& n1 O; B
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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$ H0 R1 W5 z/ Ehttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  Q- z0 S" \& S1 [# y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 j" K& {" H; h於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 z* e3 Z/ x  u& s個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦; Y3 e( J6 J; C' q' S" R6 Z2 E
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ V% c5 x: G1 @2 j計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 A; G. C% d. y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法' L. n& W% O1 ~+ R# D
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 J; h! P5 C3 Z; k9 b
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  x* R5 {7 {. X/ O例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 H9 |3 s9 K# c& h咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; e5 ^. Z' M; O" y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 h$ F% I4 N9 {4 {% l0 a
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 ?. c2 c2 i  w  ]
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 G3 U8 Y# r( @2 i" Q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 {; H) ~. S0 N. T$ l% c: E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; H+ o1 m8 k, S' l3 w
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 E6 x; c0 c0 `  R0 U% p% D. ]
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & Z& |( t( B) Z$ `4 J# o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - ?6 D& N) J, K2 F5 q( `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 s! X$ c1 R: Q' B咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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( Y  \- p+ o- M5 W/ _* h8 R正係咁樣5 ^3 H7 u# Y! B8 U# F; ?6 S
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 [2 E7 h8 r$ ]3 {9 c
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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' u1 H6 s+ b  e/ w8 f4 {再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 _9 L/ D' ]* q& m
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! R5 `2 S- O: a7 i
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 b1 Y" H( H! j
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, Z, o1 e3 G# R咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 Z* R: t5 k/ i& r% T# e  E其實係...
; r0 S# }: e' |因為以前未生產, 先消費
' L. |& q9 ?: p4 w, c- U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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