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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& k/ _$ V4 u, f( q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 {2 f, L+ E$ k' J5 M( i/ w* u
I was so confused.....
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$ c5 c& S; X5 }6 x& c' I講到尾都係賺錢
1 T1 s3 Y, K+ J0 ]+ Zso銀行可以不斷放款8 i+ D! {1 b2 B
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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7 j6 U# n- T" J2 C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 ]" U4 Q% S6 z, r1 r
>arranger
7 L: c1 k6 i1 j- }, y1 R>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
: B/ H8 V7 @% z最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.% y' J  q6 Q& `2 \7 l2 p' F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 z" x; f, W) ^4 e7 q7 ?8 y- s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! \" o4 W, |9 D0 u" \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
/ L9 N' I0 k* Zin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 _3 w3 S: @, i
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
. U8 X% z2 {" d8 F" O: M) qsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,9 E$ B% I1 N* y! |
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * L: q( M' y* x& ^- t- u4 j9 z& B% ~
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " ~+ B: [: r$ @5 K; r! S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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0 m7 {3 _7 Y5 m+ Aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
. m! m$ Q% a3 M: j9 Jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
$ k# t, K6 `% n0 p* lFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) V% ]$ ?( G2 P7 z' hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- F( P1 \5 x5 E. B- \
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + E! H& k" h, u# O3 N
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ ~  I; w4 q! f5 v4 O# |) mRefer to last example,: I* X; D, I+ z, `
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A # w( f- }  a$ e8 q  e& l. g, x6 n
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 x* I- I) h9 f; L. A, wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
6 i; D, E: I2 P. u1 I  i' Zso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 i3 S$ f& g: B  L, C% p) e( C2 y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
; p; E+ d) n( R: y9 v5 Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
8 ~$ n- ^; f# o4 k( Eit's the problem of the debt itself.; {1 F& j! H/ }1 G
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 X0 E' o; Y/ Q, v小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( I: X: g4 _9 v% k+ J
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, y" {0 i/ _% y9 S* @各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 Y& a- X9 r6 q; X% M( |當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
0 c9 {# B. \, w7 B# s3 z. j, k8 i" d於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
' v/ k4 A1 L  J( G8 k$ g" V3 U個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- ^7 d% y0 _! {- m; ~5 X$ Z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 Z& C5 {: G2 w3 C4 d; J+ S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' X% Z5 g- @6 _
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 w$ C3 F( [* s/ d+ Y# @例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: h# W3 c+ _  R$ V1 K3 l% d( v咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
' N  g. h0 I9 z9 k1 d, P% C所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) F2 u9 V( F3 \. @  t- u; Y

5 V" U. t3 K8 g1 ?# z- T8 R你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # N9 M& F+ J3 U* a* n8 c
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ @, R; g* [5 l. k( T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / g# R7 J; j2 _; c' |! C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 m" i0 G6 J+ j/ r8 t唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / a% Y% m' t6 E* M6 k' J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 R3 d9 ~; Y, S; L正係咁樣
( B+ G7 l' q% d+ p其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 r/ S' j% v( |7 N$ F: ^8 |% p# B3 n分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 p' o  `  w8 D+ N' f- c4 d5 T
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ U6 D2 l& D/ V連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! H' m( G# |6 D5 X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! H5 Y2 @$ Q) K: W編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ L: O, D4 O, C) }7 H; d
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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* o" o1 f2 _/ l4 k. S1 T% }其實係...7 v2 s0 w8 M; m2 Q+ L+ |  A
因為以前未生產, 先消費; T0 B; D! {0 ]& t; n! q" o
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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