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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 q5 v' l" Y+ p/ N( H  ?. W- M
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 x9 @! M/ b) V2 ?; _. F+ G0 W. P) d! a
I was so confused.....
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6 i% r; S6 U0 i7 \講到尾都係賺錢1 i+ I: w2 H6 v$ ]2 Q' A
so銀行可以不斷放款
2 ?( o% C" h" d% F5 w. ]美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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$ [/ R4 [' }% Y* W& {& h  J) G8 L, Ymortgage loan ( v5 K: Q/ v, T9 n8 ^+ a; _/ g* I
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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- M) V* D/ d  E>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 `' N- n# [, o; ]+ d* a5 ~% a- d
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 }. a& y6 M# l* d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
" |( D1 h6 \+ N/ r7 U8 Kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 k  U; G7 m3 i8 Nmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  q: O0 b0 t# `) ~6 e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# g9 p& v+ O* _8 O4 B6 NAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 g) a- A- \6 w( zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ j, g( C2 i9 `: ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 0 @0 f4 B; Z! `* u. h3 [. B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! ?; D: C9 f8 j- {, j6 D9 M+ [
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- Q+ f! K) \* T0 u$ S6 E2 P& b& o2 A% W

( F$ h* F) Z: Y4 m* k' D2 g: eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- F. G1 R& g( l+ }0 U: Y, h
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 f% X4 W1 {8 |* V7 WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ }, P3 k0 |: T! M# e& o
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
" C7 n7 K+ S" z5 I1 O& U& uThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
2 [2 g* q) p- |) N8 N2 v1 N7 ^but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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; x7 K3 m8 |/ }) U[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& O9 n4 [. \3 z, P- s8 i) }
Refer to last example,5 |9 L4 q2 \. E4 j$ p4 r: b) g
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : W: Q, H$ Y2 A% y6 F! Y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# [$ S$ h) u$ @( }4 rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 O0 G* V" h2 GA->B->C->D->E! e( P  u* t! L2 b+ W$ X7 \
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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5 G3 P3 \. U/ ~& A9 Q6 Athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ! u4 }* @' Y/ U$ Z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
& G6 L! [' F" R  C8 `4 jit's the problem of the debt itself.: F- c2 H4 T. [( u5 m9 z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- J! v; w" h2 [& M9 n
小弟一直都唔明...  o7 m6 B. `) ?2 N  t

7 g7 K( q; O4 C4 P3 k: q- c8 \全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 W- \6 V9 h+ h5 }
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- [% R8 c2 L* ?( C& d% j
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敬請各師兄解答
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( M; h" r, d! c8 DThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * E; W3 ]0 j; ~
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 B' a' [; e' X0 F' h2 |% h
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; j9 e9 s0 N+ a5 Q) \$ Z2 @4 }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高" f; N. @8 Q1 j0 p. j1 a9 \% S
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
- @+ j: ?2 W5 [6 n& E' Z6 c個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 v: q- ^- {' R1 y) K8 H4 R$ h) m
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  \7 K9 r6 t/ O  ~, }
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 n. z# h( F( M  p4 i前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法6 m6 z8 n, r! m
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 i: D% g8 g) i1 {6 L# `3 g但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 \; c" N4 |6 M9 f# \. z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% L2 W4 L8 W# A! Z9 W$ U4 u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* s' c; U4 P# P( z9 X8 H" T所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  D0 N) E3 Q4 w% W" y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 S) P! `2 @& D6 \0 ^$ X
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : ?5 I; h0 s* K% m* C" o7 W1 K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 {7 \. _% G& R( D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" m# Z3 }0 q% U$ v
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 r; K3 o& L' y9 W& ]6 Y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 `" p% W7 c0 y& U8 n& M' o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; s5 K. V8 Q* |1 D* z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ e& |! ]+ ^" Q% a  o2 ^
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: d1 ^/ j' W5 e8 j: l0 U正係咁樣
( o$ h/ i1 w4 A  W1 Z! D& }其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 ^* W- D# c9 `3 B9 E7 o  U分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* l3 H  t3 e! }, G
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( C& Z6 ^9 v  R7 l3 y5 T1 s) r
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: q+ ]* [( ~( H, X3 Q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  g7 R! p: B* H0 K' {
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 M4 n' d8 H2 R# Y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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  ~# Z- o' e$ D4 e其實係...  G2 U. |$ O, q9 Z# y8 B/ S
因為以前未生產, 先消費$ a5 w" o* ?; s* _1 e% s6 y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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