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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' o0 p4 m7 d' N1 pWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  s' N+ |- u8 x, @I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
6 J& [5 T" [3 n3 Lso銀行可以不斷放款& ~! R# j$ u/ {+ {9 U5 q+ d
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& B1 Z" c9 `7 s0 S, Q
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mortgage loan ! x5 v4 s- `/ ~+ V$ i$ R9 N3 y
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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+ }1 n$ X0 T$ j% F$ |  a4 ?>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
4 j/ X( H8 |  g4 N最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; Y6 ^3 y$ S+ x& s
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 \% T* y! r& @
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' l/ v& l7 }9 s8 q
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 {  y* v1 @" l+ `) nin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.  O+ j+ e" [  ], n! D
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 z0 c/ z' _8 I9 @% g7 r+ N% Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 c9 x7 n6 N4 q+ t  O) G: Dnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
0 P3 g6 f3 d& X  Reg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ C9 V0 M9 d- f' rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.! ?9 `3 ^/ J+ Z5 i- b
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' Z) |; |* i) Y! ?! s! P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.' C: O0 u: Z, w( M
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; ]+ ^# s" a- q2 e# `- c+ Z9 t" O3 n- W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.( W7 W$ f" U$ ^5 I0 v: L# H: l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 6 e- a* I3 J+ F$ n1 ?6 P& A4 B
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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% X3 V- z# h# x) i" c6 g; @- B6 S[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* g1 W- U6 Q  x8 zRefer to last example,
* c8 w4 w8 s# _7 ^. Qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
' V; g+ ], a. P. TBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 e7 ?" I+ w  L! J6 I0 O! Ctherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ B$ J9 I4 y5 x. t1 b" [A->B->C->D->E
9 H; i$ S1 B/ H- f& N% }* mso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' K$ u) N  g9 \+ g$ ~all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 H: x; c# }% K) H
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 w3 z" \, \9 D* t; r& w1 I4 Xit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 C* W. M# j! g: f& H! C$ y9 pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ A3 r, H7 k+ B
小弟一直都唔明...
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& j, e/ G+ d* g2 h# y, ~全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ o$ Z  X+ i" O: e  P# ~
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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, |5 k% t7 \# K! u敬請各師兄解答& z- h9 h0 k' ], k

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那些根本係 紙上財富  " N4 b! r" E# H9 ~" G$ ?
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ ?$ r& i! ^$ w& e* S4 L$ ^) H
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 K" P0 B# `; e+ ~6 z/ s
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 l; C1 v8 f# X; i. d, D於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 W- B$ o0 j# F0 N! k" s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦  W# h! {5 a  E5 ]  S2 a2 c! {9 ]0 T
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 [: ?! n+ B5 R) [) s: u
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' T* \% @- [0 T* @前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
; Z) e; U6 l8 ~' L* {( L; S0 K同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ T. F, q% q! n" v6 ^( G4 b但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 K6 c  [$ b8 W4 g6 ~0 n7 Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % |) M/ p9 s+ C( R
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 w$ k; A) N2 _8 \* A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! q( |$ t0 `+ v2 d% k! q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' M# A' R! v4 w. a) e- ~) j' [7 ]
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 W# h. X0 z8 t/ N2 U/ I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 J  k! h5 H7 {4 K% W! p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% h3 ~9 s. |1 h* o- P& x7 m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* x$ @% t4 K  g/ j) _! o2 H& l) W* @呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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, Q: b1 Y4 R0 i* T; Z7 D正係咁樣' q  j1 Q! M/ l, D1 l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
; Y2 x) u5 Q7 e分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 g( R5 p; }2 p6 U6 \0 X

9 H7 t3 e- T& l& J: l/ A/ ?/ u再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% @. b- S3 J7 h6 D5 K- }/ T連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 B8 w3 Q" x% D) i4 s  y. n& K0 l4 o一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產* W8 _+ w; m+ q! N
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* m' i7 _2 c6 k7 K6 v6 Z0 U+ S5 |咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...; d' }4 C3 X1 w9 P# e
因為以前未生產, 先消費4 @+ ]9 p5 F6 e5 z$ f. [4 h& L
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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