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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 L. G9 r( ~8 q! {; R/ W- o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& g* u/ j" T' N9 ZI was so confused.....
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& a' G, f2 L0 T- M講到尾都係賺錢
6 {0 J6 @0 |' ]" S! c2 R9 eso銀行可以不斷放款
# r" p. ^* p! X% K. l3 ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 O' r  _9 Z; v! w; D
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 E- H7 [- |3 Y- B- k! JCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 c5 w: ~( }1 Z( e
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 r- {6 d7 ]* Y$ H  B% r5 d1 q1 e& Emain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 @4 `6 l8 I% F7 {1 L
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' k% j5 \, n/ x& s: dAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: @$ p/ v. ^$ V3 U0 k0 @
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 J# Z; K! D3 j' n  L- Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' K; S. c5 m9 L" ]7 I7 Zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 3 m4 ?9 L3 {4 K2 h! A2 y5 m) L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# h/ t6 F8 o: o8 l6 T2 i( k4 {, N

4 n9 T3 k, [+ sim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( Z. f* `" E" I- R0 D
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
2 s) t: L' f5 v$ ]6 hFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- F- Z% J2 x" l, M
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! j% y/ {2 K0 j- u% rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & T& p* H7 {3 `5 x
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 i9 ?% e" k% s9 x% B/ w/ q6 uRefer to last example,/ {. n! s3 }. R" c! Z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 M3 S  R) q, yBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( S8 K, F2 o2 {0 D
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
1 ]+ f3 ~# \8 m. pso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 O  K+ v0 U( Ball the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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- D! [8 l) y  y3 U( X: L; Ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
. J' ~9 i  S1 b- Din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
# r+ J# `; H! o' \0 ]8 d2 p( `it's the problem of the debt itself.4 @! q9 _) \% O  c8 U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; R9 o/ J: ]- ^( F% j
小弟一直都唔明...1 t' D4 P: `* j3 I* \! W

- C" {/ c$ k& a$ }- \2 Q/ |9 I全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?7 T  X; e# G! O1 t. ?

* T; Q8 j4 A5 |; C無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
0 {% `4 Q$ {/ |$ |6 v$ I$ x9 w8 R那些根本係 紙上財富  9 x, c0 T+ _7 S" X- g2 q3 n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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" `" u* ?& O+ U' |. F; _: D5 D$ ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
  E4 a" ]6 {; M# x# _2 [2 h8 R當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- D- L, ?: F* z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 l; H/ `$ ]1 o$ P+ p2 T3 K個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦6 D' ?( X4 j% Q% B. v
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 \& l! U( j& y" K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 o: p6 ?- F* k% ]* u& Z: R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 |! b* ^" W8 g* J: g同埋個市場既前境要係好先得1 L/ Q- w$ Q/ E+ S& F0 b5 h0 I
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
' V. y2 W  \( T例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 a" P" o/ j* X% Y) O) l
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 j9 w% c% l8 a2 r+ ]" F2 _
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 }1 z. _! M6 _' {/ h你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) u- T" T- C% f1 K) Z+ ~# Z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 D8 i/ s3 j9 \# G淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 U+ I& ?% \4 T7 k, W1 U9 {& Q9 B) d
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, d6 l) m+ I5 ]% ?3 L! {+ |
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ W  X/ g1 y% I3 h" A
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! H) F6 P6 z" T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % }$ Z4 J" Y) Z$ [. b0 \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& C/ }$ U" y* X  I0 v. A  j
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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9 |; U9 K1 h* p1 {5 N7 ]- T正係咁樣( _; q2 g, G6 d4 d" Y1 y
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 D; ^' o! p" V* u9 O連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( z! Q5 D6 a* U/ N3 W: F6 d5 L
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產) E1 N. }5 v3 F6 l4 w6 N. N5 w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* t8 _, }. x0 C. L
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: \, B$ k: l+ w4 V3 ]  n+ j5 ^  A其實係...
, E: T3 N2 w1 |因為以前未生產, 先消費7 M  a, B% F. ^# c, m5 d1 i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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