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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 Z' N, {, O% b* n: Y: F
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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+ O7 g# L7 I8 Z, q4 I) W3 I* p5 D講到尾都係賺錢  i4 O7 o+ L5 ]. m6 J  V0 h
so銀行可以不斷放款
$ m" r; p7 s* Z0 K$ N美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan   s1 y5 L$ ?. E( m) \0 M
>conduit
! _: d' k+ f- O4 U" Y: @5 K! \>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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3 l, x/ H0 {! y0 }; l( s( ~& f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 x" z8 i$ ?* W" h+ TCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
. ?5 T. |2 ^# M- D# v& Dmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% n0 M: W# L  Ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  J+ Y- k( U$ g1 d& i: y1 g7 x4 e" K
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 a/ I" f1 w0 m/ b; g5 S5 u
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
: \% |" K( c/ a, k1 rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,% B1 `2 C+ _9 p: S- p, w# e
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 [) |& n* S5 b) f' _; e5 c/ D
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 d5 U. J9 K' Z% ]8 Nbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.9 M, J* |. Q/ U6 {6 [8 V
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ J. O, N3 e' R. f# U
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* c% J+ ?5 j* P; \) F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 F% z+ }! X+ [# y# a, i" |
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# `" w, P$ l  _8 `6 ^+ n; lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" Y+ i; s  C- s4 L0 \; D9 ?Refer to last example,& d4 ^9 r* [: Z& @
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; @/ T" U" P4 b! n3 f% BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / x: x/ J! `  `4 b/ K6 f
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
: f3 G% v) j  l! |+ u4 s" r, j" tso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
9 \0 l. T7 J- i# Jall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. R  l* e$ u! q6 P; H: g
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 B) E4 r- `4 G! `
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 M% h, i/ ?) _# L4 ]
it's the problem of the debt itself.! `5 Z0 J% ^8 U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ [9 x7 `& k7 U; ?1 z3 Z小弟一直都唔明...3 [2 O: n- E% T' H7 t
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* D1 }8 X4 B# J: p
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 F' V" D' j! P4 V
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敬請各師兄解答
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$ b9 ?0 Y$ A7 o/ v. a3 ]3 PThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  8 H. p% y* [0 _6 B% y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產: S% K4 i( Z4 N: [
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 p# J& [8 c: t  o& c- A( W8 u% j/ ^/ e於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ d: e9 E& `1 ?+ c) J
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦, E, [4 l3 }* Y
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, [; c0 ]" a( @% ^& z- X計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 t5 }9 W( `, I1 @+ ^9 T" l; D
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 a8 e# e' A7 L4 x6 J- b6 W
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 n6 h$ c- M  K/ C0 f* n但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) M2 {9 _2 t4 g- h$ n; {例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 ?; `2 S, c2 e. L* ]
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; h( v: X% t" A9 P' C+ I+ x! O( N# Q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
5 Y6 W! H% G; J. |% M" |但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 [0 \% ~% c6 [% p  a3 A, \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! M5 V: T1 |) d9 _& Q+ U5 a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& J' j# ?/ b& K! E* x6 t6 a( [
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# d6 R9 E- b+ h5 D6 U! Q/ w唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 {. u0 u4 a7 ~8 ~+ i% c9 Z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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8 Y7 z( O- B& L# l咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣0 a: x1 j/ t8 _& m. {8 l* P. H
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業1 \( Z6 _: I0 h. `$ k
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' G. P# t; S0 v連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票$ N+ Y. E" I3 }, r
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 \: Y$ x; {# {0 Y  X
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: Z# C& J* D7 M5 x% Y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...% T' ^0 a' K  `
因為以前未生產, 先消費5 o; C  O. F6 T9 _+ }
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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