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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, z& H  w/ L9 {- }Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???7 [7 R. d' N( r4 }: e7 B( y+ {
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
* U  l# Z5 S+ y9 L* G5 Z! w3 x" K) Aso銀行可以不斷放款
) u0 s& F) V2 Y" W( O" s美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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3 r/ M# q0 Y3 g9 O1 Nmortgage loan
$ F; \; I( b' z>conduit
9 W; j% F- F& y3 T1 P3 z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" H/ o/ ?. H* i3 ~! O/ \( c0 @
>arranger
) m8 z( \2 |# j>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
/ Q$ u) c# Y9 ^! X最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.. M! l+ N$ J0 r/ ~
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
/ ~: I; S+ q6 Z; amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ E1 g# T- O: }. ~) w% v5 r7 ?main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 V! \3 m7 i+ b3 [. G* _' Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% r5 w( K" u' k( b3 R/ V0 LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- @$ @! C: V$ t% S# I) D0 R+ I0 u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,! F- G/ P+ j' d1 m$ W* J1 ^
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& v! `/ f; m+ keg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ q# ?4 Y  \, e( Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( {0 x- Y) ^/ L) }
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' t' n5 G* s* `% H) o, x* i
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 S; Q1 w7 x' TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) l7 ]& s& g* z6 ]1 k
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 x$ K4 p' Y( [. W% u
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% f. d( u- N' l  {but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ Y( C; P. r% u7 m2 y/ ~! [

3 q+ |% }% w3 _' s/ g6 q/ X[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ~( G& X3 L4 FRefer to last example,/ C% S0 Z0 Q# h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 R4 z( L' i8 C* T$ t2 jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
) ^# L8 |9 C$ I! I6 Dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 D# n' ^- T! S/ XA->B->C->D->E* E6 b! m; @7 @( A
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
- ?  h% H- T) wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 N& ]+ o$ i- Q& r
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$ \9 Y% Z/ a3 R9 _6 e+ p" _the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : E& t3 E5 y9 x9 ]$ a
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
0 n2 J0 S9 E. N- O& n4 wit's the problem of the debt itself.' u; u. {7 N; W3 I; A- A
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* W+ Q! G3 e1 r0 u5 F% D" y小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% E! v( U2 I9 p' o# y; y& X

+ A  o. d: g/ \# V& v- `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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5 o  h$ _- I1 y: T敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 D, j: S! a& @/ p( |
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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; ~3 @4 G+ }& N& ^http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( o2 Q+ H9 g6 i" X* R9 `& ?' ?$ B當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, U% ?2 s# S' P) e2 N! c於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! a: G  k, B  |1 J, g* y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( J4 b! o/ n% f9 L扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,$ Q. [4 x0 @5 w& F1 k4 \) K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 ?% X; B5 @% U4 E" k* r前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ o, J( C) r5 j! s
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; E: p! c  k* x& C! {! X5 T2 l
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' N  m+ M* `0 L! ~$ c2 P8 z+ B# g8 k! o
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 f7 N) i' }. G$ f/ h% _6 e
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; K: D6 p" ?5 i7 t, n% B
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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3 d* y6 X& u$ g) R( W你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. `3 C0 j8 R1 b* E8 H但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 N( p4 Z, }2 V' |( F  _: ?- R* U! R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 Z( b1 e' w& E* c3 ~) n4 S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 v- x$ W3 x+ R. s$ y/ s4 o/ d
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & t- _: D" {! f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 A& s* _7 Z- y) `9 w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& N; ~. G! B' U  E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
9 L$ ]$ u! \- p$ O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% W6 Y$ D6 c* x: u( u4 V* A分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ _- l3 m8 M. X$ m& x! ]連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! P( g# _9 j& M/ u( Q一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 O: @% X( e8 k編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 z8 W$ K! W8 c: x
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ K+ N% X$ m! q0 t# Z8 U6 b
因為以前未生產, 先消費
( a  s* |3 Z" i: x而家就要多生產, 少消費
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