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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' [+ R) X' `3 ^# s. o5 P# a6 n
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ ?+ F4 a5 P2 h" n6 [3 o% BI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
; y" z: L8 {6 {2 I' sso銀行可以不斷放款
; Y+ Z' U* l: q' X) }4 r6 u5 y6 ^; E美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 i& _3 X% A; F" _' j

, ~& {: P3 X4 Z! Z; J, a/ F3 B' N  qmortgage loan - Q* e; h* j  j+ u1 q+ b9 ]
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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$ s" d4 ?* M5 Q  w& K>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& m: j5 w3 j0 C. [9 Y) y8 j0 |
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 T7 I# B1 H; J8 Z
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; o7 b3 z/ j2 k" s. K$ @8 E
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 f1 M0 O. Y& S9 x7 }- l
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities., T% _- g9 q8 {1 p( p- U% u8 ?* {
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( u( F. \# ^1 t: |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
& D8 J% e0 n+ R9 unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 F6 J4 N3 h9 z; _) ?$ Peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, \! m# k% B. |* V6 k' x2 x- Xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ ^; r& Z! h- A, F3 a6 n: J6 dim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
- p, T* t: ~7 R9 k7 B$ K5 \in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 B* M8 U% L# ?; r, kFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 Z2 z" D. u: m- T. k* UA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ }7 p( V% `5 l+ s% P# h
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% A$ i" G$ L: ]but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.7 s) z; o) M" ?2 t( A; w: _; J0 o
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. M; m& I7 f" H/ @; x
Refer to last example,
' j0 Y# M8 c' I/ d" \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 q/ d% \2 {0 d0 q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
% J) G, R, p& Otherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 |0 J2 j$ ]- HA->B->C->D->E1 V" c% X+ a( b) a: X- [  x
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, % g5 w- s2 d+ N% `3 e- W6 h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 F# d" k$ ~' s- J

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6 X% Y! S( {" K3 c6 l1 l- Othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ; T* L. a' G# `5 T# C8 o3 S6 p
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + g7 T: @1 v1 K+ j) M  h
it's the problem of the debt itself.& z8 W" @5 }  m  O. X
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  ~; x- C2 [: y& S/ I' G* U小弟一直都唔明...) A, r! b4 `' }: Z: g

* S; N1 @" E9 J1 g% v! A8 L+ ?7 L全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
, n8 [+ a  J( n8 s: I: C那些根本係 紙上財富  3 u+ A* l. N  s5 g6 _/ Q; H
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 ^' {6 L1 r& Y3 M. w5 u
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 D0 m) _# W  |1 i7 ?# K
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 `, Y3 k: N7 w# b
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
9 {6 i( g/ l. L& d/ F5 Z0 J/ R: p' `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& M! [; }7 g5 J& i扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- M7 ?3 m4 ?+ g8 }$ n2 n計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺$ [- Q: z/ Y& B+ ~- t( d2 X
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' x' ~! R9 D, e; L8 f1 N# L同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; j/ Y3 p% b; X8 Q# u
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& @9 ~% Z  i7 o1 a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 Y/ {$ |  ?2 I咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
: Q4 N" i8 B. |7 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ V" y& `" r! ^5 K& E) ^9 R! O6 |1 \8 Z

) G  B9 Z" m: ^) L; R7 F! V  v你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% K( g' ^5 l& |( v# ~; \但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + A4 M* X6 M$ @
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   v2 e( Y+ X, t3 e* R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 x" x- O! L0 ]* v( l$ @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : H0 I8 C1 W( G) `+ X* U" Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 ~$ g' z6 }/ b% Z$ a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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9 A: [' W+ p0 w" m5 N. `& K+ y7 k正係咁樣' @7 r8 a  @: R3 W4 l  S: }. X
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' R& b+ ^& w0 Q$ W; R5 g$ D( X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 \% B. u. Q* W  _+ T2 Y; t

/ f' Y$ |! {' W再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. g9 q9 n! L% f9 R) X9 z; x
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( G- T  @4 {2 Q5 p+ z8 j2 |
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
8 S( k2 f/ D! ^+ C3 ?編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) `1 y+ n6 ~7 ~: |4 W咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
1 ?7 I& j' _; o* X因為以前未生產, 先消費
) C" T6 b' A' c( U' Y: G0 f而家就要多生產, 少消費
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