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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 N5 J) A  p. E# w% j  YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???5 s& t) I. [/ \8 x) U6 f
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
- A3 H. `! \9 k  T' l* _so銀行可以不斷放款; _2 j7 {. G8 }0 E- D2 r# V- r
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan : X& }3 A/ ]5 l9 \" Y7 J
>conduit, Z+ w& V- E. u' G  f( |
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" z$ w; B, w( ^3 a+ X* n
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation). q# s' }0 x: ^$ |
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 C3 L0 ~/ [! t' e; V% O1 l) G( U8 H
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
5 u4 J$ d5 ~2 x' u# y  ]& tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ s$ @* D( g; B0 S; _% j8 \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* @9 R3 ^5 m: |
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." }; b9 H3 X& L5 H1 H9 w
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.7 \7 R4 J9 F: G3 w' r& L( c% y2 ^
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  P5 W* Y. v! V
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; E6 i0 K; I& g5 T" Z; o# u$ L; u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! r2 E6 P+ y" Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' `8 t0 d7 {0 R4 H4 q  Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* S0 w6 R9 h6 r
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; P, x# \& g  t8 B
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
. p, r2 O% w# _( IThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% ]. V1 e1 }# y6 c6 r! T: ^but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 N- }% l2 ]$ p- @, i( E# H+ T
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ n. H( k, _/ @& v
Refer to last example," z4 `+ I! Z1 M! A* p
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; A9 A8 p* p" ?  u% e$ B
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
$ L3 I' M& Y1 r2 z# d* X" l6 t8 Qtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 q' ?8 ^$ B" x9 h0 O" F& yA->B->C->D->E
. B# s3 D+ F3 _3 rso does it mean if E failed to pay D,   U5 Y6 h; m3 c1 R: D! s
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?7 ?% X4 t3 O2 {/ m7 B6 T" D3 {: S

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# ~& X4 ^1 \3 L8 |+ O4 R+ X* Tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 1 N/ I' s; D" C
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 |- W7 G7 E. j; `
it's the problem of the debt itself.5 h  E1 l  f" ~% m4 Y# Z9 C
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ?# D. p8 q/ U
小弟一直都唔明...! B8 m% h# O3 B
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 X/ t  m! T" A+ t

: y0 e6 I: I0 n1 R7 o無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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$ q" H* I. Z+ I4 {- a# s敬請各師兄解答- T& T0 T( q% }; f  y

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4 ]% Z; p* `9 Q8 [/ B那些根本係 紙上財富  7 W+ G  C8 {( t# O; b
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; n  ^8 E' d7 K6 `) D
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
  i2 b; _8 K$ A5 [: n9 ?+ Z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
3 `! }. y! U2 S5 d9 T個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: w2 O& B3 p/ F0 ]( b% H. ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ N% u6 j0 i& R# e* U( b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( I! [/ i: O3 Y) z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" {: D) n/ C4 `+ k8 d: T# g2 K
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
1 k- v) P9 m0 f- ~. |) j: x但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ b- w+ S& e( @1 W: k% n6 i: M# I例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
- X* q, p4 f4 [! W' Q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# Q' b  q' V6 ?所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # L5 Y% {9 c2 ^: f
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # F) T) X6 @) V
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 i+ o* p% U* |. R7 J3 Q/ F' j1 y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 d7 m7 v9 b' X1 L咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" [6 N9 B% \1 j' ~3 G. c
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 W0 Y& r8 O; {2 d: q( ?4 l$ R淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 }5 t- H  Y5 K1 W: |( U. x7 o. V呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. b% A. P, L& n' _/ c8 k
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. p9 t5 q; M: j9 `/ U) r正係咁樣0 {# G" ^6 m/ S* w  J
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 T+ I! q/ a( s9 ]
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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0 J' E5 l& b7 U  v+ \1 K/ Z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 V2 _; c- h* H- u8 j2 o" i6 m7 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票) l7 i: {, O3 a
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% {; x1 n1 A# O/ T0 I  p3 {編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 {) m) M2 H) y+ ^
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ i$ P9 l- W, N% H; q
因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 g. `: G" q. _* B3 p2 n& b$ i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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