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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( v" O! P3 H. YWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???2 Z9 _" G3 b5 i# F8 M
I was so confused.....
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2 m1 X* i/ z0 Y講到尾都係賺錢
  g/ @8 h& y* X) f9 t0 q! Cso銀行可以不斷放款
! z' Z8 T( z# ~" H) Z美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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. v9 V. e. ?$ K! R( B1 [  ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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  F$ u; V9 W0 z# E+ _- M>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)4 Z" h5 s1 h! K% s2 R
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
$ l+ f. N0 ~8 }  k# fCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 J5 p8 A3 e+ f( `
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; G4 Y- L6 C8 z0 w/ T. j: a
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
+ `0 |4 f; Y& ]8 S" yin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities./ B; R* @0 \; H3 F% `0 M4 _" i
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' z& t0 t7 S( h8 A! {3 h
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,& r/ c% s8 f# L' R
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # s% K( c, t. t" T9 E* v
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 `/ ?7 A% K+ C8 g$ P
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., f, d: ^! d! x8 a; b* _, `; U
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.3 a& r: F1 b; H/ U9 V
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 L$ }  j- f# N/ rFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. _9 P, E! I1 r% t3 Y) c+ X
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# x) q! |5 ^4 f, D) B; H
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 D/ r7 p4 x4 V; S4 X
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly./ l* z# A+ \2 U* o  t

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 K. m2 B# W8 s' q* }: m# U/ ARefer to last example,
# k3 b6 X+ A2 |that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( w3 U5 ^9 |% q/ T: jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 j# A2 {3 {0 h, m2 `therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" R# y: z8 G  `' Q" _( j' ~A->B->C->D->E
% |" f2 }' j2 A8 g4 d( U' dso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
" ^1 n1 d3 C9 w+ Sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 T/ ~) {& I+ o6 x) F- [. N, |1 m
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 g4 s: u" N) J, F5 I9 D( Q* w. Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 g# n0 g; Q: c# b. ait's the problem of the debt itself.& m) m$ v2 G4 T
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 \6 p+ K! n/ z( H: j
小弟一直都唔明...# G; t% z. L  l! Z$ L# T
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ k% H: J% F' F8 Y
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' }7 d  I: `: {& d- Y' _
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敬請各師兄解答( d5 C. V0 J  j! I  H

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& z* A! @3 J1 o! C( |, u( n  N5 F2 o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* ]2 z0 Q( ^1 q: U- i' ^5 l6 }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高1 I) J3 D7 K* o  n) X$ V
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# x1 G. ]$ H% ]* z7 v- p個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦& w; C3 i6 x+ }9 O( Y% t
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: s! t  Q/ A8 V, m計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 M0 d$ K* b$ f* [$ `
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法& R  e$ w/ E, \. E) ?" u
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得7 |$ V4 i( x) r  b$ P. {' _5 }
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  b  ^% U' s7 I1 p# {& S例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 _5 g7 e7 Y5 Z% x) F% ^! e6 ?咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 e6 u+ G5 j4 V: j5 Y6 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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7 ^! Z( f: H6 s你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' W8 {! j7 ~! Q0 @9 r但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ b+ q9 r7 H! {" ~# C  i7 E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 C4 J5 d; ~% _% }7 c3 t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# }' Q0 v4 R( h- I; T4 x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( n1 x$ ]9 n# r5 H  {! u. [
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) J8 s1 s& e& ^+ Y$ t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 s' |; l4 @* Z( Z( b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( ~' `- U: L( }& R咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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8 e& e; g+ [" x正係咁樣
1 {" _: Y/ [& d" @8 }8 K; N* {2 y9 q其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業& z( O2 X7 A1 i
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& S5 Y  ?4 U' q' P+ b

1 e  h2 }6 J0 s! E8 F再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  j. N3 U; F7 q2 b5 U- r4 `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 P: b9 l% N$ c8 n% C! ^
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產& z& W5 w/ v) r$ h9 m3 K
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 {. W, X  y" L
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...6 V  X8 @7 e/ x" K9 u
因為以前未生產, 先消費3 Z# W  R  A2 L# G' d
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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