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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# g  A) f) @+ k+ U) XWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???; l( |/ w2 x3 n% o) s
I was so confused.....
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9 z* x  l9 |. }8 m, o講到尾都係賺錢
* o  R8 @! g0 z4 P" p( mso銀行可以不斷放款
2 E' O- j8 Z7 Y- G4 L美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ' `9 n. p7 f- h" g1 M/ z, O
>conduit
. {' N# c# ]% i' R* y) A>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( C' ~' J. Q  K) S' O, f7 L) C
>arranger
& i: e, J7 x) Z/ l>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& K# M4 D: j7 {, O+ P9 V: N2 G) _
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
( |" o5 Y) E0 I* f" v# DCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 g0 Q( r/ |, v
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ ~) n; E1 I) S: e. S8 r& o
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
7 c8 A2 ]: V! k" z3 I9 iin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 ]( T( N" z; U# ?4 C4 R  B, I
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' o) h) L6 X; q: {, J2 @
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; O- E- {' d: }. p* U* e- Tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / Q' k  O1 _% O7 l# |
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . {1 ]) `; f4 y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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) c! |$ h& Q) T9 l! Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# ]; u  }  z$ c. _& a! j( @7 U, Q
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 f: ?0 @$ x! f; y6 [For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,& x3 R' h$ N4 ~2 \6 N$ m/ W( E
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: Y7 V# d7 h9 Q% p2 x
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% e" S+ {7 Z. A1 a7 B. t' t: p& xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; o% u( [5 {1 l

7 e% |8 y6 N# r; `[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" Q8 r% d; x4 i/ rRefer to last example,
" d: X) q" H" i  b8 F% Rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" l) \% Y0 `+ W, u4 MBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 w/ q' j6 K& l2 [  Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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; S+ k6 i- G( t9 \A->B->C->D->E
( s& P$ Z' ~7 I. vso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( [9 {, f" X" A) p/ Y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 G4 @" J  z1 p" J
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) G, \7 l2 x/ a! W6 qit's the problem of the debt itself.
% S* z$ Z" D3 C$ A) n( f& jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  B& a6 y; A0 F' S: k+ N- v
小弟一直都唔明.... F" I' g  ^5 R4 k

# x% \  s; l5 [5 q! i3 h1 {. b: _全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...# l! A; w+ O% M! w6 m

3 @" U3 U& }* R. L% Q9 X( B+ j% h: g  w敬請各師兄解答6 s% {) ^1 K3 y* {& I5 K$ ^

# f1 L4 M+ G6 H) pThanks
- l1 `( h: I8 g) y! B那些根本係 紙上財富  3 O  P+ G4 O. X6 B
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 H! i) F0 N5 B! C* j8 W: e  E

; Z* v; y5 {; Bhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 Y9 |) `0 t( U4 x當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* s9 e: E3 a$ I0 B7 k$ b: }
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% b8 O/ d: c5 F7 p6 N
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( X5 _- [6 |1 a: a7 q1 a
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ u" F2 U9 ?) \計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 a  Z. A( q) ?前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( c6 g# g7 q+ C+ s( S/ {同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" g0 h1 t7 ~* s4 j
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 l, |/ B) ?/ d9 w+ {3 I. W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ p$ q$ |$ M0 `. e2 S' u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
% |# j' R: E: ]' F3 l7 ~所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. t5 p, y" e& y3 u! i

" P5 d. d/ K+ ^; s1 O1 D你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- g7 v5 @4 W$ Q4 @' Y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 L0 q1 g6 U5 `$ ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * W. d# f" b8 y0 u; W" k. U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ Y9 G' X8 H# x; g! g3 i* f
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 n, o. K. G( Q+ v0 Z; I
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 Y) H5 Z/ o. X( n呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# I8 c) E& e* x! P) A0 _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
- z* B4 i0 o! U+ s$ {1 C2 Y" V其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
5 ?) H0 G6 ^4 m) Q+ b+ I( C; T分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 H" b* f- f# S# k5 s
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 C5 f5 A8 C8 W2 P% T7 {( L+ z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; ]* n7 s2 a4 N+ l% D& m# w一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) l& F5 V! c) G3 R& f編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 v1 c7 F! w! Q+ B咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... _, @5 u+ a% X/ w9 r" a# e* s; f
因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 j& x' S8 a- M* X' t0 a- s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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