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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 y& \1 @* c  ]% d
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 g1 T6 Q! T! s8 k' |$ h/ x
I was so confused.....
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0 I5 s* k  k! j0 y1 }/ g講到尾都係賺錢
. B; ^! Z- `/ a( [' nso銀行可以不斷放款
0 X" C# v7 `( ~8 j' A美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 V' Y+ I' U' s+ `( ~- WCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,$ H! a6 j3 E4 \: V' _3 f
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 ^9 P  z' q$ o, y3 |( o7 [! y& zmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 c; U6 U) {9 ~; O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.1 I/ C) E7 K) j
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ c! f+ q, x9 k8 a; l/ Y6 k
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 w  Y' {8 t; Znormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 5 S! d/ _9 l* n
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
  F+ ~' @% h' a! A* P) {3 Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., f( j" s) M9 ?4 }3 F/ T+ M

  ]! L, d1 g/ k( I; g" [+ oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: k" E2 @) a! `( ^/ C  ^in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 R3 L2 O3 C6 s! g+ I1 `
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: u* J( h- d) M
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.8 p$ W( E$ c* J) S* H+ L4 f
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ l* L8 L7 p  L! i, o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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8 Q4 ]9 D9 i; u7 H/ X* v1 R7 V8 h[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 v( G7 L4 u' l$ u" o& B
Refer to last example,
+ z6 q$ t0 D. v( _that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
' O4 v2 d  p6 C+ ?$ l1 GBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 z1 i4 I+ ^& h% d7 \6 Mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E* ]* c% B- Q/ R. J+ a- b6 f% F& j
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ( s2 }& p$ f# F. ~4 i8 S* p$ c
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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" E+ T3 g. w: N1 A+ k! i% ethe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* q8 A0 j) }6 n$ U* q! t- @& f% Ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ T; p+ A) B) Y
it's the problem of the debt itself./ g: d5 B" `7 n0 v
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ Y! s+ k" T0 s: Z小弟一直都唔明...$ i/ V. Q5 h8 _. L

/ s4 P8 T, X3 }4 W) z: R8 C$ m- g全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. N/ f; O+ f) I
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... ?0 C4 b, a6 c+ r( e

2 q# w- p8 _) O  a$ X  X2 @% m敬請各師兄解答
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  M: f: l1 L) FThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
0 d& g1 |% ?6 n9 y0 V7 l各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" v0 \" G& g. K! X4 [5 A
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
! J' z. g- o1 }6 t# D& V2 D% S於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
& O% ~) R0 _5 I個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  b" B9 l6 W$ F. A( ?" [  g扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,& z5 ?# ?1 w/ E4 d# M
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- K8 g" Z* n' s# j前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法* k; d8 [+ J/ U; S" @9 A
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 x+ i( L5 V2 P5 y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% E+ y# l8 A; z  E) V
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
( c7 f- R) p$ V) y) N咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& s+ R( M% G. v所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
7 }* F* I' B* o( C但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 U* F' i- J  W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, U3 O: b( t& e9 G9 d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 k# |: z5 j" K4 l: @5 x咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ Q, o5 C+ Y( ~3 s- \唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 R9 R  k; O9 F4 y! z" c' d5 c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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) M5 u  J7 |+ D' J6 |8 O" l" X# E9 Y正係咁樣
2 ^* E/ x6 M! M5 f2 B  }其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  H% [7 S1 ?& \- `, s4 V& o2 H5 E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 `5 l( n7 V4 ?' v% j
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" ^8 P" C% Q: ^4 T9 \( u6 [5 @  i連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 r6 s, P! v! v" p& G: i一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產2 r1 m6 M5 R' [: L. c
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 m" g4 k. x: a
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...4 I( r0 I+ K( V# B' `0 W2 ]
因為以前未生產, 先消費
% o* w5 r5 T/ Z& e: G2 A+ [% B6 |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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