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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 h5 o; \0 f/ b1 rWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! [, h! r( L+ m3 P% ^' s) v! \% F" WI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢) C% D3 e1 J& K% H' s
so銀行可以不斷放款
3 U6 Z& N) p/ U美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' W) c7 y1 i" ?

0 q) m8 g$ n6 U4 \9 Tmortgage loan . r& A1 x( d/ `- q% W  A0 J
>conduit
4 |. n, M, }/ N" Y( _1 V>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( S" B0 H5 L6 h3 C
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.' u7 y, D0 C6 {; v5 \: M8 ^& H
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,/ l. ^5 Y& c) G, v- _5 S1 f
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.3 [1 \0 a/ B2 M% \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
% u0 `, \8 s3 x  G; ein other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 r& h* u: c* g& t% S
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
+ p4 Q% E7 L7 J  q" Isimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ M3 t& J9 h2 ]; D# p0 H
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& e% Q- K+ @0 B& z3 p1 `+ O1 C( Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , p( `/ Z/ u( \: k! z  A( {2 r
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# D5 \  b6 E+ _! ~

  x$ i+ e% F0 P; H0 vim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.9 h( p' H/ {: c
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 V9 c) h6 Q. `  k5 s2 M6 L, [For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  n9 o; c+ x3 H0 H' Q) U
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.+ t6 w2 M* ~/ c2 c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  v! K: E" A) a6 m: o3 Y* zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& C, K# T, l- \* |
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& J4 }* Y2 k; URefer to last example,
& A& |* [/ y* _! k# r" Jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A # Y5 Z. W7 @: R2 ]  t
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
- G) i3 {8 N8 h, v$ p+ Ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( A3 \2 f( \$ l5 `$ r3 ~$ ZA->B->C->D->E
6 `( A+ L4 m% [6 z4 Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D, . o0 }" {3 ]4 I! X  B! z& F  K
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- J; b, u: o5 e' j* H7 `1 A

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, * u% }3 _# u# p$ @
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' e7 \  o7 ~, k4 Sit's the problem of the debt itself." o. _0 e5 }' \: F! f
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& D7 @( |% k$ f! h+ [! G' c小弟一直都唔明...
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) e. H+ D7 }! Y: z0 z7 _" Y. y  c全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% D& T6 W  W4 z* |' o無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答8 Z; n6 A  F: Y3 Y# E

; C5 I" y/ M4 N8 e5 O0 m+ n3 LThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
# U7 D* e9 S6 H各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: d! N/ `* M  f% z2 i' ^當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
' [1 j4 z# a- U( u- C於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊( _. ?9 V; }& q2 |8 P; k7 P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
; n3 y) _& c  Z) j  j扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 s% s* }1 `7 r7 N/ h" R計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# Y6 b# S' E, s+ Q前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 k4 h3 G6 p7 K# A3 W8 n同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# O) R& v3 k/ {; u, t
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" h( V+ h# d* m; H( s( j4 k例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  V  a* \9 v9 x9 M2 n9 }, I% Q2 {咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 @/ ?( ~4 X- \3 b所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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3 X& Z# x( @4 H$ t" [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 6 x& r1 B' K0 `3 z, A
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , l' ^% S# p( q7 {9 G& U% X( H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 W" R+ e! d1 D2 k  y1 @0 f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' L" s. S" Y& Q/ g& Z+ r唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 P: W% L# u3 \' K3 l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 Y& j! M6 M" @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣4 p3 U2 x7 V+ I# X1 g  d2 d) _
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 N" q- Z) R8 _) y1 q& C2 }* |
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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+ s& `4 D; B4 \: W& l: V& e再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 o& y) U/ w) m0 Y' b, O( _
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票2 Q* C" n+ H. m- A- C
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產" V0 `  S) ~  @& R: a1 x
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. j8 J: \, ~1 X6 V8 U咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 ~+ Q5 t9 e. i: S/ g其實係...# k+ m$ K0 X# F  S0 A! c( x' {
因為以前未生產, 先消費
' D1 _5 T& m- E而家就要多生產, 少消費
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