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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( u3 @! e9 x1 \" ^3 z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ Y( s' y; |4 [& y
I was so confused.....
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& u3 Z* E. P4 \7 l8 _講到尾都係賺錢2 y$ R* }0 s& l$ G$ N" x' q
so銀行可以不斷放款" A: O* z* V# l+ F% T7 n: @
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 5 G7 @- V7 Y: G
>conduit
! a$ R, }0 |; Z1 [! }2 B>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 M8 a! ^2 I) v+ D8 e0 k/ _5 H) b
>arranger
* c4 t  c3 ]  `4 y8 Y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 Y& M7 S2 l$ A% b- c" X" kCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  R3 M8 e* p/ x. Nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 N4 o! o7 Z- g8 c$ bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. q9 E+ R! s+ X# U
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 f1 u! l. E  p4 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 v4 [. T  |' lsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 m+ L1 ^2 Y) rnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : ?" q: o/ G' k9 P( H" i' y* u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 y- n2 G; L: f3 ?
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, x( t5 @/ p% g- Y7 r/ w0 C% p* {, tim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 G9 `8 R) S4 [$ k( _in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 s. W/ W2 F. m) R0 s' V1 t1 {
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
! Z8 q2 f' W4 r# z% J5 L% RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ z+ [" L2 F" `- ?6 bThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) r: {* P- [& T7 M+ J! Pbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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6 \4 ~# o+ T# |) V$ Q! W[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 c8 _  R8 u8 V2 @6 ZRefer to last example,
, w+ h9 v+ g5 ?7 Qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ S. L3 v/ ^9 f! R# ~6 UBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
. ~8 r  c. ^, h$ o& P6 q# _, D( L: mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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* L- ?0 C% V$ U. o( \* k2 y" Z' T7 ~A->B->C->D->E
$ Z% b  J/ `" d( Z! U9 {, Eso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ Z5 ^( m* q4 w$ W  ~' Wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 c" z0 V; X4 a

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 7 P! r: Y. s6 o/ |5 I; I: o
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 ^! i% |$ v0 O" c( L4 Jit's the problem of the debt itself.
) {7 A, D( X. g1 Lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% [9 p$ h5 r4 O$ ^% Z; ?- w
小弟一直都唔明...
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  P/ N; A2 e' J4 s% ]全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 d9 K, h" I9 }4 S/ w$ R, L" ^- O
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ @! P2 Z% q  c' b

" c( s4 |( D2 G* Y8 x1 P. a3 _0 ?  M敬請各師兄解答$ n/ X  r" z* s
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  8 S! E1 I8 i2 ~3 l# p0 H  m+ v& @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- p- h/ r0 L& R" T4 X

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" z0 {: z/ H; J# S1 _當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! {) m; K2 j% C" e) Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 T3 s8 Y4 i' I: T' J) x$ y: L
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! D& s5 [+ I, A- h扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
6 H9 y+ x0 }4 l7 {計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 n% e2 S: @; ?& ^0 e1 A) M0 S$ i
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 E, v& _5 [9 d" |/ \
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
3 Y: {: P3 n2 m8 u但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. \7 J( b! g* n$ z" N; Y) u
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; p8 H1 e3 t1 r! g8 C- X
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 @( W4 y0 u9 P: p1 q
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & z# `8 T3 w; W! ^; a; H! \
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 x1 O8 l( H- j: l% ]: D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, A1 ?1 c  j5 a$ |呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) Y9 m8 x+ o6 {咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% D1 L: C& h! s5 t唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" R; i6 f' y3 n( T$ ^淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * ~4 N4 j, t  M
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 k0 h+ N& I- L; X
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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( Q: c: ?" B+ l+ K+ c正係咁樣
6 M8 d% U4 o/ U: m) @5 s# z6 j5 a其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  W7 @/ |  x! m- w4 U分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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% F' Y8 P/ i% N3 g' J再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 t6 }! P) o3 e) y" W: n( R連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: x# s) S( G  {8 J( ^& v+ S, o9 A
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 H) W* ]$ K! }$ w+ h+ r+ P編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& `% f4 S8 ~1 W! ?% e* m/ ]2 K8 O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...8 b* U' o( T* ]& s) _1 g
因為以前未生產, 先消費
; y9 X) q5 o& E/ W  Y5 c而家就要多生產, 少消費
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