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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( T. M# F6 D0 E7 QWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
0 V9 f" A$ f2 {& pI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ( O2 o( ^: Y5 F4 b' \
>conduit
* O$ ~5 J( e  t>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 z& j7 o# A& |! }+ _CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% A& I. b* b( R" K
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" @* M8 _+ P5 F  Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  L/ q& s/ ]# Q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' P; S; B, g& X6 n
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- v( {1 L1 l  N, [similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# B0 i) r% ^1 V3 {+ A1 R$ ~normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( y# k8 O% {9 L4 @* b- }, j7 W9 G0 j3 m
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& A* F, X4 i' v8 Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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+ p3 X; [7 F$ h+ T3 pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; }$ E0 B1 S! W' {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: w2 _/ y9 y) n, l4 H
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ |* C6 `# @/ d& n  uA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.! I! b7 P! }5 I; c8 o" ?0 n
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 o! K5 O; f' A. P* b! `$ dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( a' u/ V. E( g6 Q9 J

4 k% c0 A$ t, e- a: ^3 i[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 @! Y* }& u+ K& m6 [$ k
Refer to last example,! t1 E: `* t) c) s! G  z* v
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
2 s+ g* y- ^% _. o  P& RBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ P, X! u7 a5 p4 ~: T2 L
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
$ H5 i2 r0 |( p7 B% B6 cso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; d( E) J9 p8 c5 F' B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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2 m' L. y+ l) O/ @9 n2 F- ~the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 D% o* Q" A! M8 l5 v8 i) min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  T8 n" b5 H+ V/ Y1 s$ A5 L2 Vit's the problem of the debt itself.
3 X% a4 r" i0 P  zthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 n7 l! M2 m4 ~. p
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% W, o" u9 F8 j, m$ V0 |7 Y3 j無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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5 t0 w# X% A2 z% N1 @: ^- TThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  + a: i0 B3 U' Y- K* A( C
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, s* L  Y8 C6 x8 p

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" {" I: `4 u' o6 C# S* r3 _# v+ R當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 Y" R& s( O6 |& x  N( }於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 T6 _& K& h7 U2 ?" g, A$ b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦0 P4 s3 E* S) p* b5 g$ I1 z
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 k) s/ a( H/ c6 r& ?
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 n0 D" ~3 r. }/ l3 D' w3 G; R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
6 \! {% n3 e6 Y同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 y3 Z5 s. |# P5 G
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺! R4 u" p/ O" W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
  V0 V; w6 P' ]  \! s咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; h/ P$ N0 q5 T
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& Z2 q$ L: Y, z但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 G# n& }1 x  i3 W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 y6 e, p( M8 z# \( |" u
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
0 J+ _9 A* ~3 y* d: I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# V1 `: M+ c3 ]$ c" l唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 O: @% m* ^1 M1 V2 Y/ D. o" N
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 {. z) _1 R8 R6 b( B分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 K: c, o, I' L8 Y! X1 D, o& F
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- n% n/ f6 D3 k連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
$ Y0 J9 o8 `* x6 F8 n0 `一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, [1 m; M# e9 c: n: ^6 y, X) F
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 w" a! _: ]' w$ }8 b咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
# [; ^- A3 t" K( `9 S, B而家就要多生產, 少消費
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