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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  e3 r+ [9 Q, XWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???0 p( B' ~: b, [* m
I was so confused.....
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- X- u" ?. @3 Z9 y- W) C% |, P講到尾都係賺錢5 O, |- A. S$ Y" t
so銀行可以不斷放款
+ L$ `# |0 i8 ~/ J, H美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 G5 l0 E/ T6 m3 y, {0 R( t; t! a

7 N; g- v* k' c' _7 ?6 hmortgage loan
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9 R* J% g+ M7 p' V" ~& \1 z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- _5 \$ b. m( h7 X9 A# P
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 W. V6 j) w/ @  B& i
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.( C$ b* B% R9 I; W( Z
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,- Y  D( _4 }) I4 w4 i, x7 h
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, o5 d4 N5 d: @/ n7 fAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 G) J7 t( P  }& K) `$ X" d
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 t3 b$ P+ L$ g9 A, J% o, L' E
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) U1 q* g0 l. b* `9 ^4 `
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 Z1 K' o% \% |' k3 v8 p
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# a9 w+ ]" I2 R4 {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- i4 M, O- j  e
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* s3 y9 v) T9 G# |4 r# p  f* q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 ~; Q7 w$ O: u9 X# Z( j* @
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# N$ P3 }( @6 G  W1 r4 Xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 m5 B0 C# h$ a5 y
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% ]' |# W9 j. h% }
Refer to last example,; x0 u  u4 [5 g) K) G
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - N/ _" P5 R- [# s' x% M. m
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! O# [1 T4 |* w5 B( u$ k9 }) Btherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E  N7 |4 j7 j, `* u2 u* G, u, x5 Y
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 4 K( j9 Z6 L- P0 \$ c5 f8 f7 S
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 T- O# Y$ Q3 ]; k
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) x. Y; _. i4 u3 m( [+ Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
: n: H9 c+ `: C( Hit's the problem of the debt itself.
2 u: H  y4 e! \( Y* X: Wthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, B9 l* A2 Q) K
小弟一直都唔明...( M* S& n0 J7 l% `* c' }+ e

+ T, E( d9 [. T! Z# q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答. m1 `/ s6 r. `% }2 Y
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Thanks
* m8 ^* V% g, P1 ^那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ G9 F7 `* a, D* }, o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% C: a3 N/ v# f
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! B1 Y& D4 |9 I- l
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊  o" O! b5 L5 Y2 t  }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) l9 a! _  W4 q; D7 I9 q
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 l3 }# _  P9 D: L
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺% ?5 e' Z# g$ Y8 j9 n) Z# ?: m
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 }2 _) z9 K1 ~) Y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
: o" F! X# K: {9 Z2 T% o0 M) t但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ ?2 ]4 o$ k" N' e* ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
' O% n! t( j, e7 r! l咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%. w% Z3 f, S3 f. K% F( F
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( ^# _/ T; P& N& O% z; D* f但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   n# q, O+ G7 U" n  E
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  o  S! c6 M9 C" U) A7 w& I3 r2 y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 l  ?% j$ Q% G9 c( I* I
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 d- j& b8 ~  y4 u- B$ J: l/ L唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, l" t/ ?$ `3 R( L0 m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * e' }( V; F. Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( A  N3 e' u6 r8 w6 Y; j咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 u5 w; M! P. L# o5 `+ L; S正係咁樣
0 S* M* |$ d8 w其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# A5 V& Y- h2 L, f! O$ q9 o分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' C1 R) u& b4 C( t! R- o- F
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
3 F( C8 p: K* k& d* T一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ R% K! i+ }8 {2 Q* e- P編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 _4 R" e; |) }% i5 \
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...* K$ d+ \2 V( q; @* h2 R6 Z
因為以前未生產, 先消費$ t3 y0 h& Y0 P1 P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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