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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 T% t1 u& h1 ^1 N5 |3 zWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* a& k: l) z4 j( m- SI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 E" C, i  u8 C7 N, j

7 E3 Y$ l7 C3 u( Imortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ D% H1 [6 _3 k3 b
>arranger
8 X: d5 S  h6 J8 M, `7 m7 ]>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 O4 J6 V! w% W
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! H1 c: C: q8 {. ]9 u( }- F) o1 qCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,. E4 B6 c$ P* F8 R6 C
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.8 q0 T- K2 w& o- [
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
- C7 ]0 x; h% Y$ y' bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- [& g9 I7 l# h0 {' tAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 o! n. V/ [; b9 Y5 N, Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," W# l' V" Q# j1 D) u) F0 p
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; }- [0 v, y, v8 eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# `4 f5 D. K( H$ T4 f0 Tbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 T# {( B- X9 ?7 |: h4 V1 g
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
( f  b* r3 ]$ \% c5 ain stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 w- v% Y6 E( [For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 E+ r1 M! ^- A/ a  a, ]. n" O0 n$ e8 q. y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 _5 e4 U) Y- y+ G* I: M
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) A' E% i* J( }9 ~" r& qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( \6 S( o# d! w$ {

+ N/ o+ J5 J" e[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 C% q6 K: S' l1 J) ?+ s2 X+ D$ N0 Z
Refer to last example,+ k; h$ G- ^; ^8 y: u. C
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % l  v! Z4 c6 T8 q# B) b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 `9 y/ V& i. J8 i+ A% Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
) Z, G! E! a6 R& a2 z0 [so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
; [5 M/ a# ^% x- C) M" L0 s" xall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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6 R9 K, Y2 d# m. K- |$ X' {0 Zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 R3 E# R4 y! E. J5 `in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 p4 K7 V, G1 |- hit's the problem of the debt itself.9 j- R4 @) Y( i
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' n  y  V3 U' A: W小弟一直都唔明...0 _! C1 d8 i$ ]4 S) [# B& p% e
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?7 |. i" @  b8 x0 y' o9 d
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...: `: f: B( _4 L8 m) \; r+ {, h, U
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敬請各師兄解答# J# u6 @; P6 s% C4 T+ T

, _8 J, H+ G. i1 W0 jThanks
; p0 U" [1 r  J- E+ ^' f那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ T7 K4 |0 D9 e( ~各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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" E0 T! \# }+ }0 rhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 w5 B, ]5 h6 L) U7 s當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, ~; L) y& N( E+ E' g% V% l- Q  X
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 v. w7 X3 O) r2 B. t個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( t/ s# e( O8 [# s( k. F  Z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
% b1 Z: y" q: Q  z3 i1 c計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 F4 K( E# n1 \  I) K前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法' k- n7 e8 |: o. y4 e* d& Y" ~* L
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 H1 s$ v" W; _' Q+ o' j' x/ Y咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 l. x& K) `& y( A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 w; @& M' K( \9 {3 l6 F) _

7 d; w9 u" n0 Y  A你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / p2 C6 T2 e& D) ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 p! Z: ?( c, p% \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
6 W: X- e* k! u1 N! D- \9 }呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 V& G* R9 H$ i/ O咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ e$ H6 ?2 e0 g6 A- s( `0 @5 I
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - u4 n1 ~0 l6 ]% S3 y0 z' O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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* t8 t/ x& z& Q5 n8 C' k2 f正係咁樣0 h" T. r6 O' I7 F+ r; |
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
' ^. p* [- T, L3 a9 N分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 Y9 j8 g! P3 H8 ^8 M! n

, }5 G: b6 z; o: b再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 N5 h, J: ^, p  [/ W- B4 p+ ~
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- D  |4 b# t! Y  c9 `1 r) y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產* x' b5 v$ S* h
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 b1 _+ J4 E6 y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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& B, k/ `0 B9 n其實係...
7 v$ K( f9 x4 a' w/ n9 W3 }因為以前未生產, 先消費6 Q( z  D& Y* y! n0 V9 N$ g5 U
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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