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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, @/ q+ p' m2 I- rWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
% T7 w% n$ |1 Z9 K& vI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢+ o8 G% {/ D9 r4 m# `, Y- k8 F1 F
so銀行可以不斷放款! d" R! b+ u, q2 |9 u
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ V2 C# h3 v6 ?6 I( O4 b# r7 l) I

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 `% L  b% T1 i% L6 u2 N
>arranger
$ [- l" R, _) U. T>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)! D* w4 T1 A4 u/ c* b
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 s& x# I1 y# }
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! j* `1 b4 ^5 s  P; u# {+ ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- [) ?4 B+ u$ Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
1 ~: |  J7 b& `% ein other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# A) o/ w" w; hAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.7 }+ Y4 s0 }* F# P* z( n: @
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, g9 |/ S% B" B( {/ I
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
. K$ e: D2 K0 ]7 Reg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ( k5 b* V8 ~* I7 Q! l. Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# u3 s1 J! c1 G
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.# |  w9 z; s5 ]
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* o, f! W8 i- t" ~# D
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) B: J5 p( U; d7 ^) v1 W+ \+ tThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& ]+ ^& @. E* \" @/ U8 ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, X9 M' S% j8 f9 h7 H6 v) _
Refer to last example,
  h3 I: c3 l9 ^1 qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% v# F* l" U2 b1 m0 Q# hBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ' L: d6 c  l; y; @- c7 y2 E) q/ e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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- |! z( }6 C8 w' M) xA->B->C->D->E
( O% j; q) H) ^( w7 iso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 9 L0 {1 g1 G3 a; h0 k$ V
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % e! Y! R4 _% S' }8 |: A
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 }8 l0 k7 N' S1 ?. _- A
it's the problem of the debt itself.
& M" A7 Q1 x8 c! r. ^. C. [the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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2 y- [! m0 n* L. m全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( q/ l4 h- _# ]6 ]. l3 _) [( ~

, J7 _2 C0 l* m& [  p敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
6 h, ?: l+ S  X8 _7 J" K5 U那些根本係 紙上財富  . R1 p0 T9 P% f. y# G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' H/ H/ Y5 a$ @  a. E
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
! G7 G# V2 G5 q; c於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 J. [0 k& j! [# P* o
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% z+ q3 P* h8 \3 l  o
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 o+ l  u5 V' e7 \9 C6 ~3 X2 Z; ^9 t
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 u, z" }4 _, Q, {- w+ R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 `1 y( W( W7 A$ m0 A& f9 W! C4 j1 M同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
' _! P5 Q, ]) L% s4 ?* r8 C* j但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" B0 r! S! |* T# N* `. U( M* U
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + b- ~3 D5 d9 ]; [# M; C7 Q
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
3 j: O2 M9 y8 e3 k3 }所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( I: w8 C% R8 j* Y# h0 L
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( N: \& \& ?. H! |0 L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - X( b8 G9 S3 t, {- Q* W. o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ F6 a6 n) N2 W. w5 R# N
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # j; t3 m  W: A# U/ U
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' o  I  u- ~* p1 s& Y. K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
! y( h  E5 v# B其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ [+ V: z0 b. H2 ?# e# F: J分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,$ \  W3 l, r1 f
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; Q! T  l* \8 n! P! \一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產' u! D+ c' g( [4 `0 R( b
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) _" u7 p) k- s4 w9 U, _
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...& R: f" O# L  Y- F$ F. X2 a$ ?
因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 @* S" V- a  V& Z6 D1 |: K而家就要多生產, 少消費
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