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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 g: a* d: c$ e4 z; W
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& X2 R3 G( @% M8 C2 j% _6 i
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢6 F  Z# B+ M5 s) ]9 F* @
so銀行可以不斷放款
. a' c' h( T$ M% T- [) G% _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan + M, c, J: A, I$ A
>conduit
3 j$ e& Q; P5 ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# b" H0 `* V' F3 _* y
>arranger
9 i  k( P+ f* E, v$ C>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ ?, V6 p. [3 m" z+ L! fCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& S9 _! S6 L4 [3 x, J' j
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* P" y) q) v5 G! ^4 ]
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 ?8 `" q5 [$ g/ M
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.4 e7 E; O. j7 y: S2 ]
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 g' s% k+ G% S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," {  ?9 ]' E: W/ N9 e
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 a8 W8 e  T* E3 K) Meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . d& ^! f5 z. V; t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.! T( W% y7 Y1 y
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 [  f7 }7 f: H/ {1 z5 K) v% \4 o
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- o9 ?* _3 ?7 y5 W$ }- I
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.& w" ^4 m8 ^1 X/ v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
/ n/ N7 P& k1 tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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/ k8 L$ m2 p: P1 Z5 n: j; H[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" {: h  J& W$ C+ o. RRefer to last example,; {4 [" D! J, n" m
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 W  X8 {5 z4 x8 J' M6 Z/ WBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 ^; ~- R& ]% S1 ]; ]$ f! a3 S
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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. H( W. E. u' j7 T$ athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
0 L& ?  X+ q, ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 8 z( I* {! t- V+ A- ?) T7 h. c
it's the problem of the debt itself.
& q: t& l( c2 T# Y7 {the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ ]- I+ S: b" o: B; Z* s
小弟一直都唔明...6 D. U* N% m3 t8 w9 c( t; z9 N
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% a: J- I4 B0 p

  F0 L% f! r+ Y. A8 ]9 d  l4 c# e無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...% I8 H& P' R2 D3 s6 S" V
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
0 Z  C; M8 V  A8 i5 d那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 F" H' t8 z1 k+ N各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! `% m, E0 C& k5 f9 ?" v. m6 f
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; G3 v: ^# y0 w9 D4 v+ _/ Z  Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
$ K9 a7 q1 i: _' C' J: |6 @個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- d8 j/ A# x* I9 I+ f扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ P" O4 k8 y) S計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 Z6 k7 L% `) Z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
" Q* p1 F: A6 H  Y' h同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
+ U+ x% j4 t: ]( s但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 o$ m+ _# e4 E4 ^例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, : W9 j3 v; I, H/ j! Z2 q
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ z9 M2 b" w" d0 v7 f所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' G( S& v( v0 v3 t. O
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 u& l0 l/ n0 L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 t% W; Y* V: |# k& q5 C+ ~0 p2 ?
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ _* F/ W3 q# \4 x8 U呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
/ B5 U8 _9 J: }* l咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 ]  d7 w3 }! h
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. F% Z# _& v; n0 `
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
/ n  }: h  [/ _1 Z: f其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
) D! \6 b5 P1 y' t. X分分鐘佢地唔使還錢. G1 |  Z& k. l. @% k7 i
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- D9 h: s0 t7 J( p" W) }& X連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票0 H* P4 k/ a( M6 ?3 x3 B
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ r  |4 h) {  t: n! a9 j9 L編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! j# c, E; h6 C( a9 E) F$ S! {咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ k0 n7 k# o/ [! c! O$ j! O
因為以前未生產, 先消費
! s' M' ]3 O( W. h. o而家就要多生產, 少消費
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