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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# `4 ]9 U( O% M; y, k4 s
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 C1 f. g( u7 eI was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
( [4 w" O. x) ]* @4 w  p美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- n6 i4 ~6 C" `  U6 \& p  l. }" u

/ y+ O" P. w8 A+ ~mortgage loan
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- Y2 m  W) s" C6 S>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 c/ X. e5 |7 Z1 }) }
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! t- o, B& x* T; ~) N, Z: YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% |5 q2 O' W( E; k% F2 e! Tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ }; l  m6 H6 g5 P' F3 `' H% g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& b0 G" r0 t, i, M( S$ V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 ?. r, E% p, i
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& ?+ e" x9 S" ^1 ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  q2 b! v* v, D2 q  M9 L2 l0 t$ N, snormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 5 S1 l& u7 I) H" Z9 G( x0 n
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.   `+ q# K' f6 O, u# S
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 P/ C# d- h, R8 m3 s
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ n) t. U* o5 L. D2 L* r2 zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ O) a5 i( [1 W+ O6 }For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( \  R5 s4 T- f& M& I& s/ n& F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: ~( b$ m6 ]1 Q9 D* v3 eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
$ z$ x6 L. `" g, Y) ?+ h- Mbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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7 O9 k" P* l8 k$ t[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" l1 O* I! R, O$ v5 `Refer to last example,
6 x8 d8 g5 m0 |8 ]* e8 X9 c/ d# Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
& i) _! ?9 L6 F2 I) \: nBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; M; \& |9 g2 \$ m/ H  `therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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) `4 W" B- r& Q: e$ K) C# S% mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 _+ N4 B3 G5 n2 r8 X, B( `- i4 ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 \8 L- j% v* C+ P) w
it's the problem of the debt itself.
, q( a+ g: E; Z" r) m! n8 U$ Ithe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' n( Z. {* H0 A9 |
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, q8 }! _% u: u* N0 ^! D* U

( I( r2 B: N9 I1 Z% s9 p無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., i: D% y3 D2 N% o

$ {4 v' F: i1 S敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
5 J( b2 y$ i( @. u- e- Q! ]4 z1 a那些根本係 紙上財富  + [- @: H6 Q3 b( @/ e4 p8 [8 i' [
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: `) H  V) d5 h* t  L當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- |; g, M% `% E' Z
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 |* M# z6 `, J" [7 |0 g( j個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* p% E& L; W+ A  ]- }0 p- Z
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 k: U! Z' i2 z  ]( f" q' H
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( L6 U1 v. n5 Y5 t) N
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ }' {9 ?  C, {; t7 W
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
: Z) Y6 ~) Y0 [! M% k/ Y! {: n1 b+ a: |但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( S0 k# `. R9 u$ b例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
( n2 A6 k8 m7 t4 o3 F% i+ u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ x& u9 {* \* {
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 C) i& m# u" E" Z2 w

* F4 A+ F: _- d8 L" N( y你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 a& z* }' g$ M6 @5 o( L8 X$ k
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: ]- @7 l% B$ X& x5 u淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , [& f6 c' U) G7 ^8 I/ t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 y1 {$ V4 |( y唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 }" {5 o$ l7 z8 e% I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣& v: ~+ Z! {5 V" q( h$ E8 O
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
, [0 B* p; f4 e% y分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ L# h3 W8 X6 p) Y6 T, x
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; ?9 c8 G6 B; `' z: j連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( Z# s* s3 w% ]一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! z: Y3 j/ f8 n7 {  o( U* @) X7 v編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% B" B0 ~- |0 |0 ^# u咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
$ K( T) j6 o' e8 C% o3 X  w因為以前未生產, 先消費
# O5 S+ [% e& A4 I而家就要多生產, 少消費
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