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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# n- ^. `$ M- B* NWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 [9 _  h# l& {& f7 c
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
3 C: v" a, G% {  Gso銀行可以不斷放款
  e5 ^! I+ l4 n5 n" o" |美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 d9 t4 @* Q( W) V
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 f5 G+ i8 r( C, Z$ }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 E( }7 C2 q8 f$ E# c9 }
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 `, O4 K) ]) E
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 J* F5 ]( ~7 o( p0 i+ M0 l7 {: m
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# @7 ]3 j0 \9 [0 m% b
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 j; l4 P3 p3 [3 e/ t
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * `8 J2 L1 e! Q  ~: {0 G1 F
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 O0 p* v' w& m8 \. i7 ~9 r7 Abanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 F$ w5 U2 i. c, H6 t0 Y0 a2 _

$ Y) p/ b( E. j. {im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 n" z# m4 l  H# I
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# p: [$ N+ w* q; rFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
9 A4 h5 d+ V) l' RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  b. j* t' ]# U, ]) BThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + |3 I3 N" y5 v4 r% W- Z+ ~" ]
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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8 t% V" V, d! T$ w[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- m8 f/ ]! \. e/ L' K  Y# b/ {Refer to last example,
: u, z! f3 K. F" {  e7 Zthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) K% ^- R7 `2 V! v/ t, {0 k
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + ^3 V) ~. Q( M; _( P
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' i3 R: V" V8 L8 I7 y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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, W0 c" }2 b6 dthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, * U% e2 N. {% i/ N! ~
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % D6 X$ a+ w# O: B
it's the problem of the debt itself./ h/ U+ i! u: \, s; V( X8 U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: y6 |' j9 r) |9 z# |小弟一直都唔明...
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0 I' B+ Z1 e: C4 z全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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9 A0 W2 f  w/ I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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% t8 B: g- @. t3 i6 Z! f. \  ?那些根本係 紙上財富  6 w! y# h! z9 A% o& `5 w
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 |4 J/ W+ ]) ?8 ]

# I5 I; w0 X& w' R8 Y* @http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 p* Q3 [$ G0 y$ s% P當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ k6 f" V9 c" E/ d4 X
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 K" [5 C1 p/ X' ]
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ C% S" \; X. Z9 w扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 H5 T( g" r! X* s2 _5 W- Z
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- Y2 v$ u2 V( M4 |前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 C# n0 x5 @/ M$ @0 W4 c# u: U+ C同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
3 u& ~8 j5 L: d1 z: h/ _: U但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
' }. T  b$ K" P( M& Y4 V8 O例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 C& `4 S* A4 V; X3 X. a& M
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
' x  w! d9 j+ X: O所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  S* X; {/ P1 {- n* l8 i, n

: W- f$ A- L2 M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' W) f0 ?' p, l) x% d但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 w7 Z9 k+ ?. H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 |- p) J, ^  F  _, ?. R$ l: Q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# e, |$ W0 Y* b; ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( O9 z: w( o: {淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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正係咁樣
7 `1 V8 C" M/ s其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% C/ s- w. A. H& H4 Y; P7 v
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 X  ]( ?* T- `; y6 p; y, q連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 i0 P  a! q+ l+ t' K* a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ f+ X1 _2 j0 I. {; g
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  W7 y; Y6 \8 y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
3 d. h7 o, K* k$ Q; Y因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 `' ~1 e) n' c4 P: I9 V$ c* J而家就要多生產, 少消費
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