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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 P  W, @1 E  J0 U- }6 \
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; ]- A& T4 J# aI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 W( {; a8 t0 n- F. h3 Hso銀行可以不斷放款' U( R' w2 o; h3 W) L
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ z, r( i7 q6 U- D3 f- v" {
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mortgage loan ! S! m  c6 t) Y. g5 i/ L
>conduit" w+ A' g* B- [# ]
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 h  s' u* s: H. G4 Z0 w. uCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
1 p! N% ?) [: u* Z9 m1 x2 s  wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- C% C* t, K# ^& N% S  N/ J7 `main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
  o; ~4 v6 M+ Win other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 p4 n* C0 p( C& pAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
5 X- x7 H6 O+ f: y% E" i" v- Hsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 E6 O8 J" w3 e  d) z# S! r9 Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ }# \1 H# F" e  ?+ P$ u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ f% W6 _8 c, E& o' f, U5 sbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 S+ R3 K5 ?9 d  c- q4 d2 S

- C5 w* N: \8 q& U4 dim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ T! S+ N6 T% L3 Rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# \. s" Y: J# sFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" ?" z* b+ s; Y+ s4 ?A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction." ~$ a# t0 P' W; v( V1 i  T
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  S% ~. {$ O, b/ I! L7 T+ Rbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! v4 W5 j4 {* {2 F/ x1 ?
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. G0 [6 e! m& K3 I: aRefer to last example,1 I& L8 x9 F/ e3 E$ ~; Y
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ h4 g" d; b9 Z$ i
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - z. p4 N  ~7 Z' u/ K' Z3 o$ {
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 l+ ?! ?/ H  O  y% SA->B->C->D->E. F; s5 r& ]7 x" Q9 a7 a' k4 T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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4 D8 W7 ]5 d) [5 Mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / U, H5 E3 s2 a, R
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + m/ N- s3 f+ V+ y
it's the problem of the debt itself.& ~( p* r' `8 t
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. A4 d; F# W) K  l; T. F8 M* y小弟一直都唔明...
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+ o+ S: N" G$ \4 R- D全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?3 q# h, Y% w7 j! u+ F% B. X4 r$ x0 y

: ~0 d3 d4 W! O9 C; e8 I" ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* }$ H9 N0 x+ S+ T9 w
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敬請各師兄解答
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4 m, `, j. e$ n6 P4 aThanks
& j* n3 N# r! o9 B: t那些根本係 紙上財富  
: J0 k& w0 x- C0 N/ R2 }* B各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 p5 D# V; y7 C* d! C
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 Z! r4 j! E1 R
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- q/ n% z  @* n: ]" U: Z8 @於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 v( B; T8 h1 c' p8 }個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* m6 I" O6 m0 M) e  h+ }
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! x1 ^$ [1 z8 O0 p$ L) O
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺  \5 n! p# n; v$ Z1 t; a9 }5 f
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 ~9 `4 d0 y; L6 A/ p- P, J
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 ~% |/ p/ Y- ]( |9 T但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 j6 F. C, f, z% v  ~1 P例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 B9 I) Q. b; g- k( t9 g# ~8 p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" u: n$ h4 h7 R1 G: c' i( \
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 i! X; v  L* m5 E# ^+ v6 o9 H
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 K- w' [2 \% y( T. x- i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: h$ K/ r( R0 b# r1 L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! k' h. Z/ \$ h5 Y$ R" f
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  A+ j: k& W, D- s唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) ?- e& Q: |0 ~$ W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 D0 S+ x0 }4 P1 ~: ^$ P正係咁樣
5 ^# p; }( d- w' g其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# `. m/ F, r7 M
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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, l( e; k) @6 x& o) |  `: m& n! `' K& y再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ I: a% f- V8 T5 t( w# w6 y連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票0 J$ P; J# o6 q/ }
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產: V3 Y: F& t1 V9 f1 h# n; s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ j" ]2 E0 T+ L* W6 g* d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 K2 @/ v9 S: C+ |$ Z$ B其實係...
6 ?3 h. e6 z' L因為以前未生產, 先消費+ [+ l0 V/ f* w9 o& M
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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