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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' W, e3 t; G# r7 e; c0 e# V' N# C4 O
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 f" R3 M2 I2 L/ [9 X
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢$ Z1 l3 {  S# x. Z4 q( k
so銀行可以不斷放款) r3 R8 R% P' _+ I4 R! `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 Z  n5 E$ T8 q2 R' G

8 O/ i- C+ j8 Imortgage loan
! p2 R; e' q. Q>conduit
/ m5 R9 B7 N: ~>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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" L% E3 D( w" c( r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
* ^7 T" e, o! [% L0 j) g/ ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
7 R0 c1 B/ |8 L- D9 f. `more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
7 O7 J2 E6 U- f7 t. y+ Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! Z- ?, y% f/ D% }1 f2 m+ K% I* L  u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 l* R9 y1 W7 ]
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 d1 b+ C7 ?; W0 k4 r/ f
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 z& T( e  }% M: mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 i7 r1 m( Z9 T( f# X
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 G. L5 S) t0 Y! U' R5 t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  }) o+ a$ Y/ j! A, @+ K
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: k( [. u/ H) c* r7 w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,$ r7 ~, s) A/ g$ E; s0 M# g
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* ]8 @- C0 W- U" yThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! Y% R: `6 V' P$ p" f, T7 [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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% c: P4 b% f6 R8 Q3 }4 P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( E3 F' |+ B& k/ ~# d: m
Refer to last example,; X# i5 n# ^0 }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; g" p, f; }$ y) b5 e1 iBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 O" ?9 Q$ [% g- b6 B% a8 W9 r( H# T0 etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
- H1 ]# _! j) X, g0 pso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 h) u0 C( R6 S+ U9 |all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 n1 S; S8 w1 B. s  F7 r+ Y, B
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! v4 [. H  M* ^$ a; sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
( c" r' O$ R2 H: A8 v! J; T% g2 tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* t. r* r7 V# [9 b3 Wit's the problem of the debt itself.
# s' Z9 Q! G( u4 x& }the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 A$ m5 O6 v% B# n, T小弟一直都唔明...
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3 p& x' D/ ^% W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; g/ ~6 O: X, N9 c$ t0 k* Z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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, {9 g! |: Q9 O6 J5 b& F& Q敬請各師兄解答6 a- v* w" ]0 @1 H
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  3 ~) n2 J1 v+ y/ ]4 [# S
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 k) }4 Z5 T  e/ Q' x4 p# C當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& }4 m7 o& z+ N& I9 W' k" t
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊2 s, r' y8 P6 m# z, d
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 n7 M/ L3 s4 ^* ~- R" T; e4 }1 X
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,. K' \; F; U, `& Q& |4 X) ?; ?3 Y
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺1 ~1 J4 k2 |; c5 p
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
" x$ [9 Y; e! D. @. s同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
6 V1 S& a' `9 z- l6 v4 c: _但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 R( o8 o& g& u' o! _
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ T1 ~9 P6 {( ^1 G8 Q  n( \6 P咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 y0 L1 N" l# X2 a* A: M5 H
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ d# F/ K2 D' q% p4 ^
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + q, C, I" D+ m
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " r$ W' U6 ]  ]- x
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 G  ^0 |" i: q% h2 B0 L9 z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  [; J5 w7 d7 q6 z* b" s" a3 l+ e. s唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 U0 |7 ~( S0 L# O4 ]淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& p4 v0 l( B* `9 U4 g3 I8 `呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 Q9 e% ]/ K7 P5 M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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9 [0 l; O( [( E& U正係咁樣
) N# N4 N7 l# S; q5 V1 H% C7 Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- a9 \7 o( W8 |  v
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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: q  ^" X' `! T% v( t再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) R. H8 H, [: [連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 f" Z, R5 \" F3 |8 E# ?5 R5 v) [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產) D; r! }- q5 p
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* P1 g. ^" ^3 y0 e, u咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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: @- X$ S: w8 t! o5 M其實係...
' ]2 @* s: c6 t! Z9 Y8 S" I因為以前未生產, 先消費
. m( f: h/ ?1 G6 y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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