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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* H5 E2 r8 R9 @. G$ V, `
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ ?( ]% r: U$ I# u" N
I was so confused.....
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, o2 I6 Y- D- i% y講到尾都係賺錢
. ]6 O: N3 U) ~0 r" p! fso銀行可以不斷放款9 [( q1 P% S, ~0 Y% E
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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" \' d- e( ]/ b& h6 smortgage loan
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' T) \5 ^, E2 ^% |! w; p$ c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 K( I5 |! r2 b
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ L/ P# \9 Z9 K) F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, t, G/ Z% b% S% A# Emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 B: j" A" ~  U0 Mmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# `* D) g. z: x4 @! _; y! p
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ c) d  ?5 F2 G, h* H  }- r$ fAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( H/ @1 N4 g" f  \
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ N' r1 v" J2 I
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% \# g! y7 E# `) Beg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
& n# {6 I, H- Q. A; A) M3 wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 D# o0 y9 S6 P2 F

  n  z' W. y5 F- G) a- l" ]im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& [" Y  o; v; [& ~6 J- Y9 k
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 m$ m* z6 q, J8 T; ?. ^
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. Z) M+ B! p" H+ k) YA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 a: ~( j, H8 a8 K' j3 p% ~
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # U- R+ ~4 v- N  k8 Z, `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ U- O0 w7 @# R+ ?! @4 z! t! O
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 `, ^7 `" A3 n: f: g
Refer to last example,
5 n7 n# ~* e. s' j9 B; Athat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / m9 L/ X9 U4 R# Q' M; }
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / Y. s1 D- D6 l/ V! b' v7 e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 p$ Z2 K4 _7 {4 i) X  ]! z8 gA->B->C->D->E
- r' H! Z/ o2 ?) |so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 6 S0 Z# d& R' K$ ?  Q! W; B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " v' z$ v& k0 M6 j( N$ l
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . f, J5 i# o' W% n) S% ]
it's the problem of the debt itself.; D4 Q; r4 w7 `+ b
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 T$ R7 F( h' s0 K
小弟一直都唔明...) Z- v) |$ ~6 J( A- s6 _3 o% Y
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?8 Z/ z- t5 n. Y' h

1 f2 L% p3 Z+ s0 w* W% H. A無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) E0 H3 X- P: P) [6 n( l

" k) C4 ]$ u* n6 F敬請各師兄解答
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2 t3 B; j% |+ ?3 _) M: D% q3 O: e" |Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( z6 T8 s8 z1 r3 ^/ e0 p3 I各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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* E. l4 d0 ]4 H% G- E) Rhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, n& Y( u; V! w3 O1 ?$ ~) g% Y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) z6 `% m' _+ p6 h
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 f8 q; _! K, S9 V0 Y! ~個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
6 Y( d3 R- j( y" \3 ^5 [4 K扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) @' p5 u. Y0 Y. c/ u! a- H計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
: _5 P! s2 z) I, ^8 \5 Y( a前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& ]1 H* D9 D4 {同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
6 t0 `7 d. {/ K3 ~2 a' p但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) Q# J- R3 l0 b' i! H; l" {例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; Y3 {0 R: y8 @8 e* ?
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
( q2 f; F# a7 q6 I4 w8 _' }所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, x6 ~1 I, ]* P% H
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / ?. B# R" t; Q  ?  p3 I+ g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# ^0 O* O8 U' ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , H( K9 L  _- `! o7 d9 `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ P7 M# S+ H: S! ~" a1 v
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 }& X- U* i" W( N7 n" V唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , X* C  ]6 n' x7 G" o: m3 G4 b
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + t$ c! h4 z4 G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 w( J0 r9 X* J  N2 c' N; s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 ?+ z( G. ]3 K- `+ B
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 v5 k$ E) |) r# r& s5 _1 H3 s
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票. K) f, A3 v4 f
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 A1 K4 ?2 T+ v9 _7 B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ Z) Y& b) I" c5 i3 b/ o$ }咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
, O( V3 o( s& X- }因為以前未生產, 先消費. E& c. V/ k5 k. P+ q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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