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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! g8 g5 Q7 t) A1 S4 VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( X3 ~- Y, {4 z9 AI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢. O# e$ o7 E6 e  W
so銀行可以不斷放款. ]6 P6 D2 N! h6 C' G8 D7 K. C3 x
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 x1 Z, B( F2 g2 `4 R
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mortgage loan
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8 ~. A! V8 l2 y; m, n4 V>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); B! e) L2 o& O- k
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, ]3 H, s& e, {" Q9 |- ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% B  [) U, I% u  H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.. @* Z  H+ Q: B( W, ?8 F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,+ k, Z) J$ }; n; e( y' S) G
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 S/ H, b( k7 G$ H( O
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) P9 I& G2 {, w: l. D# Ksimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,5 v1 M5 A5 Y7 g" R+ Q' m% A$ m
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 Q2 N9 P0 X( I1 \- L8 I6 h# U
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - o) t; y. K( A1 Y% r/ x9 w7 q  I
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' Y! Q6 k- e" x2 [im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 b# K$ Y7 u( [9 N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  k& g& q) u. ]0 H3 U5 @, ?For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  @) w1 e' V1 E2 ]* h; }/ ~A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* _* ~) m7 a+ F% S
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. . f; j4 v& [& {/ R$ k- F" d1 L4 x; u
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 k  Z* Z  V$ a$ m6 s5 X! f
Refer to last example,4 v& N4 ]7 [' X* P; ?  K! ]8 b) j
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
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therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% w* M8 Q, K8 q" Zso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
! r; r& v8 @  `# B' K0 t  k' lall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ b5 g2 J( M1 g' }in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ o2 X0 X8 B- H+ s! cit's the problem of the debt itself." Z9 T7 v) [& o5 p; C, a4 O
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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& U# x0 D& ?( n4 G0 z全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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4 V# ]9 o' e8 w5 K& U& x敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
! \3 K" ~- l; G3 N各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic. k6 ~) S  y! g9 Q5 W

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" q  l$ b8 h! b: p! r1 {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ F8 c5 L3 W7 r6 }+ o3 M7 o7 F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊+ `9 E1 y6 R6 k. V
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) V% j3 x4 v1 Q
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
6 C* \" h5 f$ U' y0 p3 r: H# `計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' ~" X0 ^. I# m; c6 X3 D5 P9 l前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( h8 Z5 w, @8 ^4 y; I& T6 ]- C同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 o" u1 N" W- b+ ^但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- _. P- Z* d* f+ {7 S! u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 i; S# N3 F, H$ o" U" o- A% N) b咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ L1 ~5 J/ k& E# H: D所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* e2 K7 i8 T- L  T( L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 U9 N5 u9 x* c淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 {* x% k. O) d/ g. Z- _* x" _4 b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- R5 Z$ j8 T8 n" H: g# q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 S' o# J/ z& W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( D! R3 J* q; p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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# P# c: q2 t- V; f: p/ i正係咁樣
% s# |, h( b4 |. Y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- e# c& P2 U6 V
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ H- [+ c# P' t6 a( G4 t5 B
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* q) g  y; C! F. n* p( r- g% i
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! W; R3 Q$ L* @6 n
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" u1 D. K# n* F& m. E編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. Z8 `; n$ [9 n/ A: J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ d) N" \1 B" e6 }- i! n7 I因為以前未生產, 先消費
, k' |) a2 j+ p2 S而家就要多生產, 少消費
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