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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; W& a: j" C7 x
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 l5 F" k4 k3 L8 a6 t4 bI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
, P$ e3 r8 y  [9 R1 yso銀行可以不斷放款
4 |9 t6 ?. R& E! ^9 P$ b美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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3 [. W" r& _( ~( d4 emortgage loan + X! X& S6 b# O
>conduit
+ K( h: w$ @$ q+ }  G>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ H3 D, B3 K/ [
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ U. V/ ~2 M% Q& D+ y5 O2 l( m
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 M$ P3 t) i1 g0 X4 W$ u, D- o" vmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 y5 q3 \  e# X& d- ^, N- Kmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
- U) }1 a  A( Tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& t0 F6 ?% n& O2 G2 `. lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* b4 a$ b4 z+ b$ F& j3 [. J5 c, Hsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: x& p' h1 G0 T6 A* \* e' Gnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 M1 L! m3 u9 Xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 @$ M+ B, ]+ a( v6 L$ mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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3 c( }, T: i# @/ ]- L1 i/ Iim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.! n* }! e. S" `
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.& W' k. u; l3 H+ l9 o+ U* N
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 Y+ f3 Z; Z# V7 y# l9 b; Y
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 B& J. N- p# I, X6 nThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! T8 N# n! K9 Q% D7 |. tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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. r$ ]2 s9 o2 S& S7 D/ i0 P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 j* @9 D2 S; I: aRefer to last example,8 z# v' [8 m5 G8 T" y! p$ C+ e, k
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A " u: n0 W% g( v* K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - J* s: r% X/ i" c7 B9 t9 `/ F
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
2 X  A$ h0 w9 ^; \! kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, , R# p1 z" ]9 V- x7 t
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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% Z7 \3 {& t# |the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ {4 v: s4 s2 m0 P4 p8 |5 @; }in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
8 H: b1 ?, Y. x, f2 ait's the problem of the debt itself.: K9 u3 w0 C$ [. s
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: [) L8 D  N& I, ]2 o5 Y
小弟一直都唔明...7 K) G" p- x# Z6 n( \6 Z

% P! ?# K  S4 Z/ `7 T/ E4 R4 E全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 k% H! i: f# P

  d9 _% T  d/ M. i  k無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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8 j+ h. q- K/ `( |6 n% @$ EThanks
* o; T+ Y0 Y# X7 B那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 r, h( S) U! |各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ _' T/ F/ P# Q) ^. W, Y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- a- K' _4 Z8 x& q" m
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊: D) r2 f9 c# I9 l0 n( D
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# D% u5 z" E& X. D6 F  D
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) f! o& X/ a: ?( j
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, A. N5 j/ y+ s5 V* ^6 ^, |6 O前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" e* ~. V: a+ Q& f
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 s! r4 a% M: v7 Z) n* R$ N3 A
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 H  w/ B' a) Y/ v* ]
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 h1 `1 u+ Y& @: O( I4 N' {咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& ]' s6 z2 J' l+ c  S- W$ u/ n3 Q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁- U3 I) |8 p( X+ A# E
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 a0 ]. H  @% `+ R
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 e# M  N& y4 k7 ?3 N" r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- f( E# ^; m6 K( Q+ |呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 ?* I/ V) u: Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 r8 [3 d$ n+ ?, }2 @  H# A8 F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 ~- F6 m% Q$ b2 t$ o, o
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; R" E& {- W! G. ^/ u2 [) C正係咁樣
* J; o5 n8 ~; X- p- [5 Y1 w* ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ }0 B% Q6 l+ L: v/ Z6 [分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 M8 a9 F2 ?/ w+ y

, U" d- s1 M0 V. O) g再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% L/ X! z$ c' D5 M' h$ F8 k
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% N; X8 j3 R8 ]( [0 T一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# {; T2 Y! K6 e* m; w0 r編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ ]/ l+ C4 `1 j; x. v& q5 b9 W咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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) l6 B  `8 Q9 e其實係...
+ @: c# N  S; A6 j, Y6 E/ E因為以前未生產, 先消費# R" B$ j6 d, k& L' e
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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