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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  C3 Q& ]9 A- h$ Z! m/ G* w  P
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- y6 t$ b) x+ ~- Z; S
I was so confused.....
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' C" \& v: t' Y, r講到尾都係賺錢: J8 O3 g7 J* x$ B( c6 s
so銀行可以不斷放款1 N% v! l2 e/ j8 \. U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)) h3 h8 Q0 N) c' i) e5 v. @
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 K8 i" J0 V0 h( g$ g+ W
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% K2 s8 M$ X* K( [% Z0 Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 m/ K0 Q. U% J- C
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; J0 E6 t. n1 c2 [
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; h1 j( T1 T3 b
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 b6 T& E' \% m5 _5 w  zsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
' A& a: h& C! Y& `normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 l! Y9 [) N- T, o$ x
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 j$ l# G  ~6 b0 Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party./ s! U5 l% a$ z* V+ S0 ^

3 G/ g( E+ o- t" Z$ Q9 U! L% V7 Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 _8 G7 v4 P0 q! {# m' D4 B, d) l
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: y+ S" i4 ~/ p1 X! a2 v+ \% k
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
4 x+ u4 F& p, t' pA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 m  j( F. H2 d+ a9 R) ?The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( t+ O. r4 W( G4 ~3 O( s7 P
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! H/ [# F6 }* Y5 a- u3 ~, s/ S6 o

! W6 k4 c! R* q! n  }[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 l1 d, h$ h% f9 x! {8 w, ]
Refer to last example,/ |: z% u' Q, e5 L6 G% c+ x
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' N& q" _2 T7 }; {
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
' X: h7 V" [/ N* D- d& m2 C( D# C1 stherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( w/ p4 d8 ]5 f0 |0 DA->B->C->D->E; f8 M; y8 d/ {! t; f3 k
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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$ o; d$ K+ O! a0 Vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 v0 I1 W5 y( n) ^: |
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
6 G6 T& V" T( p4 n0 I" }it's the problem of the debt itself.$ o) ^1 r8 r$ w$ {( h
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 \8 }' v/ X$ i7 X; r" ?
小弟一直都唔明..., ~: T" z3 P& W" C* x: g( Y! R
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # i1 y3 U! B# m. d: I9 ?8 }
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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1 Y& A) c. k" m. Dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# B! x1 Q9 Z4 q9 a
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
8 |: k: r* ]; l+ F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
' ~" J9 D* c& i& c& m% v個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
; A  O' J* Z6 b% |" X# |扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,# l  a9 t' _/ z0 T
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 ~& s/ L0 V! i; _. h前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 R4 b5 a) E1 u) L/ [0 p  r& f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得7 p0 K7 v& ], v3 k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 n$ ~, J& d3 c. a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 z! u  w, b0 D" }# q' i
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%5 |/ I7 x% }( E# D5 _
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁4 i5 t$ I* j9 |  ]0 y0 M
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . J/ ?4 d' V( I5 {3 G" \9 w7 }
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ t2 ^5 I( m$ m  T  j$ f  g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 B2 B+ S+ H7 s% j# {6 a0 p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 t$ E; Q! M6 ^* C+ G唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 }9 ?9 J7 g7 c+ U6 a; E+ M" ]
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 @9 ~- p( [$ b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) @& e/ W- h( h+ E. g
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# T) n* e/ c2 u" @9 s正係咁樣% T  \4 j% R+ c0 S) i! ^: E- M
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 |9 q% c; @7 Y8 u0 d
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, M" W, H- ]' B連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 o. ]" m. x/ j  v& G/ ?. C- _一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
& x% J6 i% G# C- g: x/ j編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ p+ h- n+ f6 J) I* s' S( z2 m咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
- o$ F& P' Z  {- `因為以前未生產, 先消費
( f+ D" u5 ^" `+ s2 K而家就要多生產, 少消費
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