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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 Q% M. D: |) ^" i9 A0 iWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 r) D- {7 C  B. S  o8 D9 lI was so confused.....
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% G! N* z' }7 A3 T% a4 M! M講到尾都係賺錢
2 ~9 m7 |8 N  g# Z" S- q# z. lso銀行可以不斷放款- Z. C; ^1 \; ~2 _& O& e
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan - L$ r4 o" I5 G2 H' {. H; R
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' ]6 H# l, b! u2 H6 }- M
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 ]' t) R( }1 @  U. [; JCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- g4 f5 P, S2 S$ Q7 X# x: Imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% |; }; G# y; M( ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 l' H" F  ]1 a
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( V' `; b7 S# q6 j  l2 B. |) mAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 T, j5 a7 R. Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 G8 x0 m" Z7 S. D! ^! o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
3 N1 {; c( g1 U+ q0 `' e6 \eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
- f. B/ j  o9 Z5 l6 Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.. S5 k2 J, d  K& I; Q2 @
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 T/ Z/ x$ B& y
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
+ S% v/ K/ G7 n8 |% VFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 @& ?  V% t( k" tA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ p3 H* Z. u' ]8 LThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - W% g: i) s, X! o8 ^! [0 w3 P7 `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 I% u6 T5 O1 w8 b6 Y
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% @/ g  n, w+ \- J
Refer to last example,
; ~# e; s, \. Mthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 ^2 A, F% o9 G; F3 Q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 A; p9 K1 w* B. t* F  S
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
: {3 U" [$ z! I2 F3 Xso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* w& B/ x  U2 W& J+ C8 G, }all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?& h; o9 S' |7 S$ T7 _

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 P- K7 F- v7 n+ E( A
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; _0 l1 D! i1 W" t9 ~. `9 I9 t
it's the problem of the debt itself.
7 z/ E3 S3 R& H/ a9 N5 Y0 N9 ]' ~the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 I# H" _" f1 c; s$ X2 V小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  x$ f! {* b4 |$ Q
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敬請各師兄解答5 y1 c7 F* f, E  k% s

1 L3 N4 {  w4 b7 }9 o' fThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
' P' \% Z( @3 m* j- A各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 B) l) W: k6 F$ D2 b
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. H9 U7 ~! n! O! `於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' \* e& k' `0 I4 V
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
7 B# P( Z9 i6 x: y5 z# i/ t扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. c" x8 a; y( J. z, q7 ^計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 J, M' i3 s/ h: e4 L, y0 J0 ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 I+ `- P& n2 i4 W同埋個市場既前境要係好先得! m8 V6 L$ }& P
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ w* v; n; {: p7 U! F+ c例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + B1 n3 [* |) |% u5 `- U1 k7 P
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& o) I: ]0 W+ E  o  v! X所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, j# |7 Q# C1 e/ r; x0 X* I) \
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * F; h8 P* B, d8 C7 y/ j
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . y: A- H" Z: K% ~, e6 m9 L
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( Q, X6 R  G3 b- P7 s呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; `4 J3 ~8 D6 K) m) O4 z& m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; O' S6 P6 O' E% H唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 B5 |/ `* |' P6 Z/ P淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 u' L: ]* j' L/ h7 g3 b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  x$ b& H7 Y; y! m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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7 {+ d: [& K/ v7 @正係咁樣
+ X9 h! F7 T$ ?. T4 V7 ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
" E$ t5 K9 N) a, y. Z9 O分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' E' Y% T( N# L# n$ @. n

/ Y% m7 c  g" R5 ~' K0 Q; h  `再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' Z8 \9 p% ^6 N- ^連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, Q( b) c1 b, H! x$ @8 Q$ `. z: k" G
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( t$ \/ `% A6 @" \. D& i編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 y6 l( y& [$ G5 `' D) ?
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費) G- B+ [" x+ Y$ Z, k* a/ s0 j
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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