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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 l9 v  K/ I/ g; Z8 pWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; Y: t1 M4 x( ~2 ZI was so confused.....
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7 V" e1 |& ~5 Y! Q- z4 V. G講到尾都係賺錢  e' b1 l  t# I( q, V" q/ {. u  o
so銀行可以不斷放款
3 Y% e  K' v4 k' a* K美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ p+ }- t2 i5 s, v8 ~7 J

4 s0 P; c2 R4 z9 t0 h0 Rmortgage loan
- D; o$ b8 D; e7 J4 o. `/ M>conduit
5 l$ B; a, P9 K>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)3 S2 {0 [0 g+ ]- K1 y1 m6 j3 F
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, ^& }& _! J6 E% z1 bCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
3 |6 w( e9 q" s# `9 Kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 L* K5 n" ~6 ^2 tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 S7 D* L, z& v$ ?in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 n5 v7 s8 C3 N; }, A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  v( s8 {. V1 H/ o  b
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 u$ Q, J$ C1 O7 R) C
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 |9 X% q1 M$ O/ r, @2 d' Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' L1 K& @. q, Xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.' ^. n( w) M: e  b& e" C! h+ v' X
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 c; A$ K; B6 A& X3 L+ _  |! }& ?in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) y2 K- y% J4 w) {) H8 P0 C
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. A" S) J0 [- F2 _0 r* T  VA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 n/ o$ v) @% X) }. s+ o
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! K  e: i4 P. D
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 j2 g4 ~7 u* a; zRefer to last example,8 \3 _. A4 T: Y* K. |- r) k
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( ~2 p) u3 a. e; S8 \  ^. j* _Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + `* E. Z5 s+ j% ^8 p4 j
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E1 F0 u4 R9 r$ j4 c' ~! u
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, - ?/ [7 R* K8 T8 x! C) V+ z( N
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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5 B/ M3 d. W0 b% `the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
# f6 a% p" p! i- h) Ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
; q3 i3 r( z. v2 e! k6 T; L! R2 l4 Cit's the problem of the debt itself.
7 Z, H+ h+ v, |/ A, ?  s3 E9 b5 Xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 F  Y; A% G* T
小弟一直都唔明...1 [% w8 ]6 o" U; u. C8 f. D3 D( F

) F# U. J- N' ]: A全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 n/ h+ A# b: e2 p2 W* A
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 P( S5 T1 C, H) @! r/ K
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敬請各師兄解答4 t; Q1 Q: b7 z& g4 w# r

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那些根本係 紙上財富  6 G! v2 f6 f2 m* l
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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  D. ^, F* ?  V" Z5 W6 ohttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# W/ {- S' ?0 T! ^" Q- k
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( R" j6 i" v- y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
1 F4 {4 p4 m* D個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 q0 c$ f0 K: g  C
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ g1 j$ e" g' I計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ N- d/ j  W3 I2 E! Z3 i: z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& X0 P; h6 s$ f+ `4 u: }同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; h' K( ?- F, @3 w, b. y3 k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 U3 k* J3 h7 |" o1 `例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 u, y9 C. Z2 f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" j5 |7 |3 t) H8 a  j+ i" U所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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, d6 \6 P) B. A; c& x5 c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, $ y% G' U+ @4 A1 E5 b+ m, F
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" j1 I7 F+ n% C/ {- K0 y, S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. g( L" w/ v) ?7 a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; l: t9 G0 D" U9 R
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. k2 x" V' t& C6 H4 q! y9 a) k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * }: Y/ M6 K' q( M3 M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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/ f5 H4 R2 [% R- b咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣. z* d* [- c$ a0 @4 `& _
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業  _1 e% \& T! i$ {, Y) o$ w
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢$ I1 x; q. u# A; z8 `
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 e- V7 l7 Y: S* n連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# G6 z; o( L) {1 ?( x5 Q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( B0 e; D* `  f# D7 o/ s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! j5 f/ s# E1 w; ?1 I9 x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費6 F9 P8 k* {: t1 K! n
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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