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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 m% c2 R; X5 r* MWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! J8 |' ?4 d- |' }3 o1 M/ x" Z* XI was so confused.....
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, d& [, K' _- x) C, d4 n8 u: w" _講到尾都係賺錢3 v5 l! U/ q3 N% v. i! n0 K
so銀行可以不斷放款
. Z: h/ l9 T( G& C5 D4 s0 h美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 D& s3 A& B# a! dmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 ?4 U4 r, w- Y& Y
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 b' O1 j6 j) D4 ]' F+ I& RCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: G$ _& H. I& I; X
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
* v' d* b" s( x# hmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' b2 f5 ]1 [" U5 V: d3 u) u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; F6 F3 }  Q! c" h& ?' \# `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 M$ j" j. E3 }+ n! E3 Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, t5 k2 X. e3 @9 o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : t% U0 T" N+ F
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 G: p7 x: U' d
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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) G( e, |) n: O, Wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 q5 u! A; S/ g: R8 \- x$ q
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% ?$ B4 S, ?$ F$ ?- W( F5 H5 \
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) B" d5 }* t9 a* H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: V! R( M9 s1 q% t$ @4 G3 b: T: NThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 v6 b% Y3 W) [$ fbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly." b, u- r! C$ f6 _, S0 _2 g! c

6 f1 g! a/ {9 a, g# B) ~[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 Z, `  m# P" a$ x$ ~8 ^" s
Refer to last example,7 G4 v# K* R7 O; E
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" d! G  T, Z8 O  A# |Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 k1 @- m! q2 u
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ w% [* C: C. B* u& Y7 m7 fA->B->C->D->E& _5 K1 q8 Q  [4 a& Z
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ w0 s. ~: g9 H" Y% g' @9 _in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) n* E" X9 Q; R( A8 kit's the problem of the debt itself.
. Z1 ^( p4 g' y% w- S* Hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# L% z* @, J: m5 G小弟一直都唔明...$ }& K" ]; a' |0 g% Q6 h

+ K( N$ `2 V7 l+ a5 _9 N3 o" |全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?; M9 ^# e3 ]9 P
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
. Y  Z' V& q+ h! N7 B那些根本係 紙上財富  & B" {1 X" O9 n  ?. \
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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2 n! b# b8 U1 o6 S! E) B6 Uhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' Z9 r  H* p7 j當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
$ F) }5 a; N6 C於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* t1 Y0 {7 ^- E2 i2 x+ F個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% v( M5 B. {8 f* c4 ]& A
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
% h$ ^1 [7 l3 i- f! ^( h計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺! c! A9 `/ K9 h
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: N3 T! z# i! \  n9 A/ X  z6 C4 C同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! ]# k3 o( ~+ |4 a1 c但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! S3 [) ]+ a3 \6 x+ Z, Y; ~1 j- |$ b/ ^例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 n! J( Y* {/ D. v: C
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%+ D% L0 O) L# g/ b+ Y* w4 @* \/ k
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; y" X, r$ P& W你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" y+ J2 U4 \# Y4 g, _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: L' Q; i5 l/ U; X. ?8 N0 T/ W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( W8 F3 {; c' m& K# Q1 t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. D3 v2 A2 k, l' a; }. ?3 m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* t( o1 L: v2 U0 {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * C7 U: g  L* h9 N0 t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 B$ Z4 l8 G3 c5 p正係咁樣
0 A! j6 f2 _7 x+ k其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ Z; _7 ?* j! Y  ~  F6 J% l分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 _0 p; K' L+ t) |
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 v5 k2 C" S3 S, U: ?, u
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 V7 h2 `. E% T/ t) Z! k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 b0 c" T# V9 P& U! }! C3 b7 q, L咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...$ }. |6 O6 P9 n7 N
因為以前未生產, 先消費
, T8 K) t& j0 z& E9 U8 M8 W" U# l而家就要多生產, 少消費
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