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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 R- t$ v* U: oWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 ^. f& G* o% }) j" k( RI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
1 B5 Z- s; S/ _+ B4 O% Xso銀行可以不斷放款2 |1 C! A6 ?- ~1 U9 j
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 E6 g% t5 v$ {0 ]5 Y" hmortgage loan 0 N6 B* S4 X& P3 [1 J4 I
>conduit- V3 ?" O! n1 q3 K. M9 c) l. g
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
3 }& K( C( l( O( k最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 t# {4 z; Z+ `  i
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: i7 ?! _& w+ c+ |
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. v9 g$ t9 J' O2 m0 e+ E" U7 h# Rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. F: S3 w) M+ Y, h& c' I( ~
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.  E" j/ T3 @8 M1 l
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 f/ t: V: y: \5 l' `: A4 `similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 b+ s7 K& b1 x" d$ e  x5 Mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 |: _, t  d3 w) [) j( B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
* H) c9 }7 w( ]$ E1 Rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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2 L7 w+ D, _7 _9 d$ k/ Q3 Tim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.7 W" j* Y/ D( h( a$ F, ^
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 @, Q# b9 k8 ?. d4 Z6 F4 v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
; w$ Z2 B) n) ?+ t+ uA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- q" u, k4 ~( _) {1 r
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 o& v& @4 w! W5 k+ W
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& _6 o8 |) N: t

$ r: w2 u8 i+ p3 L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ p' u6 _! ], y! [% CRefer to last example,% {$ n( l' `* s4 L& u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - k7 B% b% M- c8 D
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& L5 [! \! B% ?, [8 K" S- ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ R+ x2 q8 L$ SA->B->C->D->E
, p$ B& ~* E+ P) Z8 N1 M- Aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 6 L, b+ D) `1 f
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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8 @& S" B9 `: g  S3 I1 N7 vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
9 y) }1 A4 b  x2 f# U! I3 din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* O8 d& W8 q$ H- O) xit's the problem of the debt itself.+ E) V/ E/ s# m( `
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# U  L; @2 T/ d. s4 I* z2 \  U小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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0 v4 i7 \- E# {無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; g& E% t: V$ s  l

# ^0 H2 T8 G6 v; ^' s& ?敬請各師兄解答
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- A0 F  Y5 x; k# L9 z) Y  ?/ N+ mThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " G; {' _# W5 g+ i3 q2 q  Q( j
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; \/ Q& P5 a3 E, I, k! t
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產/ y% O1 T6 ^8 @2 r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ g, J$ b) Q% i7 B; A' [9 c
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 S: V2 K& F- j4 \$ C* }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦7 U. L$ Y7 d. c; U$ i
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
+ l' X+ Y, A' ^, X3 [計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ ]5 d: ~! d: ^6 q
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! r* V  x' V( u: o' g9 n1 M) h
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; a! t4 J" D* a( y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 ?- q% R! K3 T' z. Z! `" J6 ]$ D2 Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 D1 E( w7 |& Z$ ^( _
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
$ I" q$ O  E7 [( a所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  d( x3 b9 E1 K

2 S" I% L& V6 V& c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 I- D! y+ M7 u: J" ^
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 k. a; m1 j' o1 c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
  v- b2 @3 z) p呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 Y( Z1 ^$ t, i$ D. Y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 W* A0 S$ B; o- ~0 j* Y  x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& S9 h' J- {. c% u呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 b! \2 i9 {# e1 @
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
9 z, n6 T  h- n# d其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 a8 y( @) P3 P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" b7 I( ?, m1 S  c, ?3 `

6 T4 C3 O; w. w2 x6 Z( m再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ V# ]* y) _, ~  ^; n
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# r4 [3 @6 n' r# F" x% k
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. I+ R4 M* B8 b$ F0 [$ u0 o1 r
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 g3 R5 x: Q( ^$ T  U7 ]
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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0 Z. `3 V" H/ a" }) E其實係...: g9 m& c9 j+ m3 g7 D: q" |% W
因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ f* D1 J' ?0 |/ D  M1 B, B' g而家就要多生產, 少消費
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