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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* ?) e3 j. ?! `' K( k7 F0 [9 tWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???# Z0 J0 b$ }; v6 N1 |5 U
I was so confused.....
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, N# K8 k3 A, X& ~3 ^5 N2 b) a; M! W講到尾都係賺錢
) F2 p$ I; Y; f9 |1 Q/ D) o- e. h2 wso銀行可以不斷放款4 t' f. `. \- H8 i8 L2 }
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界  E4 {, |, F/ v4 G
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mortgage loan 9 C9 u1 D4 e0 l) f! l
>conduit
; s3 C1 w0 e) v: s7 }7 S9 C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& m+ N& a' A0 H% Y- h% r/ G
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  b2 m2 f" \$ E$ s7 L$ jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 a; c9 c7 y0 b: F( s2 v, A1 Dmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  Y  a, V" Q4 o1 q/ d3 _+ |
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.4 z( F# f) F; H  s! @' G$ c; Z+ v
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.4 l  x; H7 Q* f& T" ]3 }! d6 G
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 \7 R2 ]( w% t! n* ~* u( vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 k" a& W& C; o9 heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, C! D6 n7 `- ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' ?5 f- ~" h7 z% {& \- \in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( R7 n, ]  W) {5 y2 f$ B
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" f2 I0 I- U4 ?0 AA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 J: s: l  G, `  J' Y0 a: g$ ?2 ]
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) X& L4 i% l( kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.4 e) w' p8 W9 _8 J

$ [6 v; ^( ?4 A" o[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& b+ R6 Z* W6 M7 S
Refer to last example,
4 i3 g; w, W0 b* o/ ]that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ ]7 O* e  `/ l( WBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - X- O9 p6 `$ _0 x, T- P. w- `' z& u
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
( N9 x( o/ K) V) p2 v1 Wso does it mean if E failed to pay D, * y  P) F3 H; @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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* K# T# w: o/ Y; _5 Z8 `the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + G3 c# Z, L: C% }, ?& Q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
0 _% d+ [' }) B# xit's the problem of the debt itself.
9 J" z8 ?* ]" e7 Qthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 ~! T* h. [& j% D" q2 |
小弟一直都唔明...2 O& ~, d3 k3 n& U3 q6 }. }" C

7 u+ [1 o- G2 M" D  A! Z全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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1 p; Y6 J9 g2 j4 e/ R敬請各師兄解答# c6 x& V- @$ u: ]+ P* ], T

. f" Q" D, k. ~0 {7 ~, TThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 I; b, l0 H1 D0 F$ q; H
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 b- Q4 R: D2 a& f1 S* Y

: D4 C6 r' T3 Chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* ]1 m! Z/ m+ H0 D( `6 e當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
: V2 ~& Q( K# d# u8 a; [於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊2 q; C" z4 q( i- V" k  t3 K  E' Y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 J+ M3 e0 D( @2 a4 o
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,* \3 C4 `0 E8 u+ w- v# H: ^
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 \. ?% K6 I1 b$ g! H$ K9 V前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法( a0 A' e& C& Y! L6 d* w9 F
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% N" J+ D- t/ _
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 i0 B: k  x1 b8 x! f  |0 h1 d+ f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; C) i6 s6 Y, s) a  o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 u3 H! O! A- B) b
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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* n- X, x7 s, l4 F5 p你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% u$ Y$ d' G- c2 v但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # }2 p  u8 q% B' \0 t  ~
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ J. R' ~. h, A7 G& w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
" D2 ^* k+ [8 v$ z1 Y9 b" u, c9 j咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: N: L: q. [4 l+ M& h8 t% T6 ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 z4 H( p3 D* B$ A' R# [
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 A5 i7 A1 f/ r; Y, Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' |( a, L: y1 g# N% [咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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3 A- d9 b" F, r$ x5 y( J7 d/ J3 F+ ^' L正係咁樣9 D+ N7 |( w0 W
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 ^1 Z3 N5 K9 `
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 z( w; I: s1 [- G& B

/ E4 x/ H( n  c5 o+ j再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( L2 A' g9 ?, ~4 c
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
1 t: l) T. h2 G  A一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# q7 r1 i' _" M3 n# J- V6 d編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ a; V! S, y; o2 R8 e# K5 s
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...1 H$ ^2 h( s- T9 x, A1 }6 B* h
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 n  ^( R% [5 L' g8 q4 Y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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