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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# J6 m9 g9 E* r+ A0 t
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???& G9 Y3 R) H& w4 i
I was so confused.....
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, s& }: R9 ^2 g# l+ k% b講到尾都係賺錢
+ I, P5 p; q) _$ d0 K0 Y+ Jso銀行可以不斷放款* C4 s% w3 j' z8 a
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 b  {$ }4 `7 ^, ~+ H( Y" Y
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! C, z6 J1 |4 D- lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; T, n! k6 C' a, h( V0 k- K3 m7 _3 qmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ W5 O- p  b% Q, o$ k% L. gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 j) L; p! Q/ I0 t2 f
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 W0 M! k# i1 k7 \" Q7 hAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( a; s9 y2 I" A3 b, msimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 M1 N! ?/ b, V) ^normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, u) X# K! J, v5 Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 t% ~/ F" |" [% R2 G& \" i
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* G5 I9 ]! y" j

3 D2 v6 ]: K7 m; w! s6 yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' }3 Y9 Q6 }. b+ V7 y+ s
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 }( R. x1 ^1 pFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 G! i6 I2 |: L. J$ @2 D
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
8 H3 Q7 ^  p7 h3 M. a2 ~' `* {1 kThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 5 x) h+ x. h8 L- f
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 r( U/ ]+ M  H3 [# f- z

5 _! ]6 V; \0 ^3 |' l$ A; @[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 d6 j1 ~, J8 E) l- [9 w$ g: WRefer to last example,1 p7 K6 S9 O9 z5 T, `! c$ [% m( y8 L
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" J8 n) v5 [8 [/ J1 u1 VBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& |6 D. q/ g& R( t- z2 T. x' Itherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E0 \% D0 ?' ?4 o- S, a% l
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 T% ~% m/ J. k  v0 p8 @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# P6 L( b/ a5 Q/ U7 I# m. u
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9 O# x4 W4 K8 f$ C6 \; {3 Pthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % z2 @3 X7 [! k/ N* C' B# w) _9 o+ u
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 s  ^" v$ R/ F& G5 M; Yit's the problem of the debt itself.. H$ I7 \. j0 Y! Q
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ d* W6 F& w* E/ U. @& A
小弟一直都唔明...
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- T8 E- M2 S- ^全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& f) ^4 q$ w5 N1 H; c

( h6 W$ w1 g1 Y, D無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 u7 k' c: j, B1 H9 o7 S

9 H7 q3 G& l' Y: b! H, d敬請各師兄解答9 B1 F! ^9 s" B# V  T6 [2 \1 _
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Thanks
; I, H3 p5 Y6 g* h5 Z2 E那些根本係 紙上財富  % y" b* F# n. ?, a; q; R/ c9 f
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 q9 k4 r) j9 D+ |* K. I0 ?) Lhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
; k: E/ m5 R( r' P3 X: d" v- q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  T9 u8 O7 E& {7 G
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 A. l6 P0 c) X% V( w
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦9 e0 {* ]. f% C% {' J# Q$ B
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ \) s% \2 ~# u3 _5 ]% n
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 B# W; `. ^3 |; J/ n* \; l  f& l前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法: u+ q& K; m3 z- w% v  {8 @
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& a) P" C  U0 x. {
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺: X* C# ], o: L* {" ^+ S6 y) y  l
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 F  m- ?' r7 m9 o+ k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! t! o; M7 z4 x所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 7 m9 n, {* ~0 b0 G8 m# G8 D
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' r% z$ [1 B( {( v2 Y. `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
, g4 C8 b' P- z5 Y+ j% E& {( c( B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 @/ G6 a, P4 p1 M% y) o' Y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 V5 T; F# a* G5 z: F& u1 T. X$ [
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, \2 R1 z1 X& h4 ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : U% K: I7 W+ E! B7 L9 \. j
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 @" [* c0 ?. D6 s1 O, A1 j, z咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 s3 t8 X) d) n7 O
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 N) [% O. G' B2 M. y& |3 {9 A, i分分鐘佢地唔使還錢; V( Y, y6 _1 [+ ~1 m4 }2 q
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) k  N7 T% o; s
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' W" j1 }# ?* g6 f
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! u3 Q4 b2 Q/ p7 B7 z; t3 q
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' ?+ Z6 @( b3 U咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...& n1 L8 U+ U4 O9 i
因為以前未生產, 先消費3 J* w7 c! }% d
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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