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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: Q5 H# H) p' G" k% t* z; d) _Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
6 H4 s/ `! R' v- W$ _: n# u$ @I was so confused.....
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1 L: F* ~! k0 Y: C6 w  Z講到尾都係賺錢9 ^+ S4 O& {. k* E, t+ A
so銀行可以不斷放款
  R) |; ?% K! b5 I5 P美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' m# }" d8 f. M4 R

1 c# @  c/ X" m8 D' \$ k0 |mortgage loan
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& D! l; M$ g% g' {% Q; A. |7 w>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 |* q! V2 D% {: q/ Y4 C
>arranger
+ M5 H3 D0 c# n- P>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ v  W% r& M) \5 W& Y
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 V( E, {% p$ b4 }# y% D6 J) zCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,! _5 N; D" n7 Q: ]/ b' v
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.# F5 U3 z+ j3 t5 ~+ d  h# r9 N
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ I' E0 N3 j: y% v! X1 M. x
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# F2 \3 ~# e# U9 Z; k+ g/ [! @+ f" U4 I
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: H9 Z( x2 M4 x
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,9 O- i, N: k, X; r" a$ Z0 D% J
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * |8 U; T, ]/ Y/ V
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ @9 {" A9 S) T. F- ]8 Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: ^0 x' _9 P, ~3 \) W
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. ~, G1 q7 M  u% o
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 g1 f5 ~! t' nFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 i1 p9 f: W6 c# s7 f) eA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 \2 A* ?' m: w6 |; T4 f6 a" MThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + `' }' s  L; F8 U( X
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% a7 j8 v+ k8 B& V+ a' K8 P
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' P# \* I: x+ \7 o! a4 T& n  DRefer to last example,
  f  `) `& f/ e+ E- g  ]' O5 ^7 Qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & J& g4 }/ ?& T6 ]8 v. B  c0 P
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
/ V9 b1 w" [- D& E& wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
: q# F4 {; }' Gso does it mean if E failed to pay D, + g5 s, M4 R- o- b" b4 z" V
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) O0 c' r5 y+ G6 ], l7 \

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% r  c' R  @- Q+ B9 [: y8 ythe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 v* {# D" R+ q7 L  ?
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 C" ?" O' e' c: e- b$ @& K9 W* n% Nit's the problem of the debt itself.
; y; [' {' M% bthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& i2 O9 q1 {- F
小弟一直都唔明...  H& \7 ]  W' R9 L7 B
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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5 |* |% W$ R$ C) n# \: |' `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
+ _$ @: R2 [& i$ z( \8 y7 v那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 v, @* f- R3 v* N& v8 Y/ `各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. F7 A3 Z% o. a; E7 D8 Mhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! [# W7 B0 ]; X
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
( w* R0 ~- J5 l+ m於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 Q/ l4 l! K- B個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( \* b  l9 a# d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,& ]9 x) J- W! h; h
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 Y6 b) \  m1 t" \前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 m5 K' ^; F2 Z" f5 n
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! g, v9 w; |6 {( k5 C7 l4 X但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% A! e1 `6 i3 {& g/ o* B
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * D1 n! Y  g7 N$ |/ U  v- a7 O
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* H6 D% H0 c+ e所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! @4 i& m+ j1 X' w- s5 b

3 V! q5 {8 q! m- ~  j你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ |/ v( g9 h6 g/ }8 s但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 i* `0 u. B8 q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* F3 x% Z; T  |* A+ B6 X! d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 E) Q& ], U+ B* z- T/ [. O
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# W; C8 ]# W1 [; Z0 E1 W. g  S
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 p; b$ z( l  o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 [1 a9 ~+ @; B3 b& X1 T! A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ S' Y9 ~  q  W( j咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 L/ ^2 c+ U0 A. H: x正係咁樣) C9 N6 Z& Q8 t  h8 J& d
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 y7 r" B4 a$ z9 v0 M8 x分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," Z8 S  s) N& o. h3 ]' k9 d
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 i  z- \" G% {: P! R+ i
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( x) ~; m) `& m* _2 |編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: W) G2 h/ a& }; a& y! x
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
' |0 B; b8 w1 Y  o0 w8 F而家就要多生產, 少消費
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