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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 x0 A1 c9 d8 QWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* `6 i  G; p6 k5 x* rI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢( ?! y: M: z. Y: x2 r$ q8 u
so銀行可以不斷放款
" p* s, X( p& \4 p$ `. t美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) x# {) h/ F& A9 g. F& {6 M( x# W

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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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6 ^1 u7 q1 e9 F' A, n>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
2 t6 S7 G. U' k, G9 q最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
# U$ Q% }1 |+ H: v' m( o" ]CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,, V8 C& Z) O& U
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 c! s/ C% W$ L, M4 Q( _9 Ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
, p2 M% S6 h$ r) ]in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 E) J+ h$ a- ^% r- u/ [+ PAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# ^& S9 h' h1 X" p$ e0 x. `9 |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
$ O/ `( [4 u) K, u  dnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
3 ^! G  l& K+ W# y+ J; o% Jeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 A- Z, L3 N- m1 N  Bbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# Z2 s# N2 F. v- e

4 T1 o" a) m, K" uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 M+ a. D5 b& v. Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" Y. B9 M) Z$ B& L; C- ^. ?! LFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,6 Q8 H: ^  X# V' P" O/ O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
, ^2 h- h8 D3 D2 c0 d+ B! WThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! U5 c5 G. D/ }0 Y; E
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 f3 [" D$ G( K) d+ X3 W* X0 D
Refer to last example,
2 Z( F, e, c' b" C1 ythat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: s$ A: w) i( w+ v2 ABecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 c! H# ]: n$ I* j$ r" ~; K7 m. M
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E4 J. c- M' f% D- X, ]; T4 B
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, + W1 X& g( w' t/ |0 u$ _9 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ ?4 I( D, y. e1 q; @4 l0 r" p% _, G* Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 X" G6 m! s' R0 k5 [
it's the problem of the debt itself.2 [% Q8 ]. [% I% Q/ y& n7 F' C
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 C) i0 l- \$ L小弟一直都唔明...
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6 J! v$ Q6 ^3 u. U全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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4 B1 G+ [& n4 y4 \- O3 c# m4 m" g+ x1 n無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 S& Q7 M/ A  n+ i; \
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敬請各師兄解答
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  q, k" M& Q' L2 V( v% y3 Z8 iThanks
; u6 I" \+ Y  r" Q那些根本係 紙上財富  ) D% t* g; O: p' b1 @
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 Z4 r  z8 \! M+ R$ s8 Z, I當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# V2 J' p+ P5 n( ~$ A0 M5 y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ X# z, G" U8 @8 t; C; t
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
0 ~( w( L7 U# l3 K7 m! }( z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ G2 ], x% p- F
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 [8 w! v: t- G, m% L  k前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 b; y7 U. R9 a4 ~2 |' J4 J同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 |* m) C8 a0 u  m" @但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺/ x1 e8 a5 H) ^- {
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
- Q  C% a# U+ G. }# ~, s咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%+ T* x+ u# z8 g% h% a& Z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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% d! y; T  u/ A你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 a9 Q/ U% g6 y3 ~" f. r9 J但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % Q  q8 G% m' Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 E2 {+ x7 I. z/ i' |呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& F+ o$ Y9 }8 ?7 G/ a
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ \+ {" t; ~/ o* B0 ?
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * {! N4 a6 Z; s* ]4 Y2 G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 W2 P% l3 ^& ~$ }4 f: i( K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 H" T6 t1 P; J; f) Z( D( E* y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
( D+ J0 _2 X- W, v) ]. t: E$ s& \其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業- O( G% Y0 y6 `- t1 J
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  }8 t, `1 {* T5 I! [
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  l: D" ]$ f7 i連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- R9 c: d# U6 H+ @& n! D( D
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產3 x# J; c. c1 t
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; H* U" I$ O) d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
/ R. S/ c+ m" c而家就要多生產, 少消費
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