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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- T1 C9 d6 }* u6 Z; i+ H+ v* O' WWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# M- @  ]% ^% ~* j/ E0 JI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 @' z: ~# N# T( o% |6 ~so銀行可以不斷放款
. P5 F: {4 ~; r/ z& ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 r2 s* I  W) Y& ~# J. o
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mortgage loan 2 l2 a  q0 e% h
>conduit# a' t2 J+ N6 O. b  t
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& C; m1 K0 Y( @2 x- [' \
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return." g7 @- \1 Z! Q4 x
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: b. A  t9 o7 ?# d0 R, l# ^/ k
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) g: v" `: ^$ ^, l
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 g2 w$ E, ]% P$ \$ lin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.- H  f0 l. I# a2 G! A' }
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.$ y* _3 a7 ]2 E: z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,. p9 Y- I. ^! e" k6 z* `8 B
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
7 T$ s! L' g5 x- Meg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 {% j$ X# I, u' P7 Ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ E' `& r7 t* y( win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: Y! H0 q" ]. j* ~1 y" ?4 A. FFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ ?4 C% K! T1 V( w4 q) X
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.' W* C% e+ q4 c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - w8 {0 S, Q- }' T
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.6 y9 u( j  z) o8 Z/ _& z, q
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ E! k" M1 w/ c4 R& t! y5 ?& f5 X+ W
Refer to last example,
% j  [# R, M" f0 Sthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : d& ^: w* l) N% K' g- ?8 y0 A
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( h7 L$ e2 F1 V0 ?
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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) j' W* T' f, j3 b* D9 ]A->B->C->D->E
/ F, k6 U2 f* h  oso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' {: _0 j1 Y) s# g$ a0 r, ^- V0 Wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 ?4 ~) h9 G2 c" A) F# W, M3 T
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3 U* D( s" @/ y) `5 Jthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 d+ g! s  c5 P) y) Y4 Z: min this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 B+ X6 J2 q' l" kit's the problem of the debt itself.5 |+ @' S& n( Z3 I2 ]
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 J  u! k/ Q8 M小弟一直都唔明...( W# C/ M: G' X

/ L  ~( k6 ]: \3 X4 M7 J7 `/ ~全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ d2 @) E' Z4 C' {! v  `. _3 Q
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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" C0 e' q  t8 \( H! v/ X敬請各師兄解答3 B. _/ v  z$ H0 j9 y
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" f( y* {# E: V- n9 d2 W各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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( {8 w  y4 `/ J  q/ ]http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 [, F& n% O' y當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  w$ U5 j: f0 y2 M. Q% J
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 w% u( e, n# X; {0 W
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! d0 u! ?( c  b' m  R- w3 c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,6 j) D8 h& a. c& ~
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. y" _8 }" K- Y: b3 X2 I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法- y- k. t4 ]: Z% q6 m7 t4 E$ {
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
2 \! L: Z1 W# |& \: q# Z& s( l但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 b; M. x- O$ l4 B' x例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - o' H' c) P) Z4 J0 B: ]
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& _& G4 v8 p! {7 b$ x, g; \所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) |/ h$ u" ?/ Z

9 z7 T/ ?" D5 E你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
: w7 P* P2 }. [但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ q9 I0 y2 `- k9 O6 j! {# A6 Z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 C1 x* E; F/ |呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 K; B) T% v6 {/ a' Q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, X4 d0 g" b/ Q6 H+ \  L: b8 o唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 M+ h  o# e' l$ _淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ {% h- |5 ]# m0 u* M) p呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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. T, {% s$ S: g$ F$ N2 ~正係咁樣
3 S# J( b" y# N4 M2 n, M其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業& P  d; y, B7 H& ]/ h" v+ _& H
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢# C1 I# l1 o0 x- I# {

7 P: z6 U5 c: C8 s% S再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, z4 H) \% B1 H" i0 Q' d  Y; U7 j連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. u$ {' n* z) _5 j/ t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 W3 q; E$ z( Q6 M% C$ j( s編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: X6 C; @) C2 }: \& T$ C  N$ g
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...% ]* c1 Y: {9 t! K
因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 y3 D: R4 }+ A6 ~4 s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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