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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 Y! L+ p/ u0 j8 a/ e
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???' O$ s* b0 c6 X
I was so confused.....
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1 O8 j* v# ?% Y2 A+ f講到尾都係賺錢
' {+ i0 N' |3 d4 U# t2 ~- Iso銀行可以不斷放款; }3 d2 z) B! }9 z, L' D; Z/ x  J
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界. m1 t$ V6 s# j% g8 Y# H& m3 S" Z
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mortgage loan
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9 j( _+ P. j, _: g8 ^( f>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- \3 Z: Z+ O" Y( j9 y1 |
>arranger
# F6 e( z# D* V) Q>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)+ ^& s$ v0 D, F0 ]
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
7 f5 M; B5 I/ I0 r; m& g1 ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' J. O9 y# E) F! W) Z6 e1 d
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.. h$ m+ M3 a, W$ P* r! p/ O
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,+ W7 t3 A) H$ V6 k- o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 j, S+ o+ W0 ?7 HAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! N( l8 z  e' ksimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- E9 B1 L2 i7 Tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / i( }. y; n4 Q4 h; E3 n# u6 |
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
: \' a7 ^. i7 [- `* {# zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.9 |9 Y4 ~1 A) ?% q: g- t* x( B6 S
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.. v1 _9 q* u$ x3 Z% x* k0 B0 l
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% v* i3 n" u$ G% s: j2 U$ t) nA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) S4 q# }* |. K; V6 V' G; VThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.   k& Z6 c5 E, d- L! ]' p
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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+ d  v6 l3 I) n0 C" d$ Q[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# n. n5 ^( Y2 E( |8 [5 c9 Q7 eRefer to last example,+ {. t8 z2 h, [- C2 S4 Z3 m
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; _0 l; X5 `3 ]9 n: eBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 e6 P6 ?9 n: H# C& N4 u
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# M: \1 J. P& N! }; F
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ _+ Q$ m) D! v% Q) D1 `) P. T1 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 @0 [, }" A7 |; v" s0 o% j) g" qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 l9 x/ O" D0 m$ b+ b: y6 e4 B: n
it's the problem of the debt itself.
0 k& @/ G8 `  k/ C/ ~' Bthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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2 T; D& m: v3 _1 D6 E: ]3 `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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- l" X4 f3 ~' w& D' P敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  8 {' T7 L. }6 U0 }; ^$ K2 k2 r
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 {- g8 @, o+ g

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 C8 v: N9 W. M0 {8 Q" x: {當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  A. V$ K3 N1 l8 i3 a
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  F$ Q& [# @5 n) H個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* W4 K- |9 C: P5 w. I) ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
% M) T+ K2 Y! x4 C/ T; V* T+ v0 |, M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
& b) M" g1 a. r- J- J2 \& u前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ P8 g- L: v( p- t同埋個市場既前境要係好先得1 z: m) G% N3 @, b
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 I: r3 V- Q2 E% V
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * L, ^& u! O2 Z) ?  Z: ]
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 c$ f9 m1 |- S! ]& f/ A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) x2 A, y. U3 Z+ w. Y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) @% w" f9 a; O$ r  f但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! I( s# B3 G9 K9 ?! Q- X# i# |+ R6 |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" x% [$ u0 O3 {% d8 }9 d  [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 K& n! r2 U9 h1 d唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; V1 c* _+ F  N2 L1 v' Q. K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 X+ n3 Q+ E9 G9 @6 t正係咁樣
' I: k6 J7 ]6 N1 R其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業/ _, J2 n8 y( |) s# T- P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( k; s3 k+ y/ \( \+ D. R8 `) M8 e0 Z
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
8 F' Z- A# K/ K! O5 y7 K4 D' `連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票% `$ Y: O4 h2 ^, K0 y1 Y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( H. @7 \; L0 r% ?0 H( v% _編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 W8 B( t5 T! v, o咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費) g$ p1 U) p% Z- E
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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