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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ x2 F/ B, i- |2 P" {" q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- p" l5 j9 W+ z, {1 Q& d5 M/ P+ W
I was so confused.....
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( Z" d7 P% ^& g+ Q" B- ~, D0 J& u講到尾都係賺錢1 o5 |$ W# @  z6 f
so銀行可以不斷放款
2 y# l( n2 V* l  O! x美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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$ T) ~( i+ a; |) S, Hmortgage loan
2 z' ]7 W" }0 l# c% b>conduit
: G5 i4 P5 I, i: N9 P, x>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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0 C9 q( V- \7 f& l4 v( \. r+ f>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
1 |1 E- Z/ l* [) p: V最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return., V8 E5 o# s- k/ H4 S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: Y% O0 ?$ r4 T2 m! J* o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
, I  y, E* R) P/ \- D1 wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
% V0 h) D. ?, hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: `' c$ `; x. t5 ^Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- F6 I, x* j  i- m4 V, Dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
5 \/ \5 _) V5 t$ c6 e; j( ^normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ! h$ {3 c# Q% c% V: L7 r
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ x9 J" ~5 V# @! q1 z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." B7 B9 d" R- w8 Y) D1 p
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; k0 M& s+ A9 X; w
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ U  ]  U* U7 ]) P" e
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,: A& e# I6 |+ |
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.; I$ D6 E1 u$ J( j& ?$ w
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) q3 \% A; R( P8 k; W9 a
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. m* v# B" J9 |

) N" X8 q7 N3 s, A' D8 x% M$ F' r! Q. I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 S3 F( P* q$ f7 H* ]; gRefer to last example,) k8 w5 S/ M! ]4 o, e; U  h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% p0 Z. P7 q7 _5 t! n; W  QBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
% J' T4 v. C9 j  a7 n+ Ltherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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1 m* _, y. I$ U/ K2 P1 EA->B->C->D->E' O' w% h' R' w4 v; E2 [
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) e, e3 R! k+ s6 M5 V
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 ~% W* I1 m" L) g6 y

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - z# Z3 g' h, N$ B7 L. c
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ e# D. a; z4 o! d6 R+ ~
it's the problem of the debt itself.& Z% l0 v% h* t
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 }) I# Y& y: {' u* C* ]
小弟一直都唔明...  Z; M+ C" W* W( n  \

# |: N" C: j- J- ]& M全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 d0 ^5 X% c2 @1 n  ~
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  Q" a) u9 F: k; W' m: K) K5 F

1 C0 q* n2 ~- B敬請各師兄解答; |5 Y. o1 z5 J( B3 n' l
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富    z5 p( Y& k& J$ e3 E
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% L5 M1 s6 X, C7 K' \6 E* g
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 P/ s1 R0 V, T' P3 x# G' p9 `當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& f9 ]/ E2 U9 z: l! R6 @9 d於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( e. @/ j+ \6 B6 R0 ]5 z  @個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
8 Z7 |. f1 T. ^0 I扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 V7 @8 `2 z/ E6 @4 c& K4 p- x計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 i1 Y  k5 R% B1 @& d前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
  {. @/ v2 }3 y2 q4 g5 \同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
) W/ U& z% p, r) ?3 @' E$ u但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. j3 G2 l4 Z  E5 R2 f
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 V2 a4 g0 A% r3 R) Y6 i% Y! v( ~7 ]
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: B: B, ?1 h* d! ~% f6 R
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 2 E4 ?6 J* L* j2 f; _
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ |4 x' O* J4 r5 ?/ X淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 x% d7 R4 F* C呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- n% R! N3 l( T) |3 [- Z- h
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 Z( Z& ~& p- v1 t* Y! H唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % ]& ], F- O' N1 D& a' i0 Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# h. o& W" p) e+ ?呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 n' V7 I( `' s- H. j9 \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
% G" I2 p* j' \* i4 l5 E8 @其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 ^4 P3 @4 v# M& S( M, ?+ [1 a分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 _0 f* B2 z5 v" H5 l. v0 T/ y/ k& s

- }7 O% i& n0 ], @2 [3 \再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 u( y" V5 n1 O* l1 c連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& W$ ]0 }2 P9 m一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' d4 _& Z1 Z5 J' H編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; {2 t0 V& X; p4 D: e咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
- A" h( z4 o+ T+ E/ K" A3 k因為以前未生產, 先消費3 e1 c* _: Y& e1 O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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