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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 T0 o5 a: |# g: y
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" L: b$ z) F1 ?5 VI was so confused.....
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$ n9 z8 b' Z" ]講到尾都係賺錢4 l; C# x! U: s7 y" Y
so銀行可以不斷放款
$ C, ^+ @  o! D0 F, C- Y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 [- B! B% l3 p+ N% A# @
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); A7 ~. U. N2 [6 t  U) X# l
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
9 {. M5 ~( h8 r# w最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; h) n# u2 m( @+ Z; O
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 ^5 i% b4 e; U. w3 ]/ rmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ L( v4 `& I0 R+ {main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
% {) n- v; F2 _' fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( H7 \: g4 f/ V5 hAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# \$ _* }$ a" ]* d4 Csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' j. W* r. _( b( z+ f0 t: U( ]
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 {! k4 P$ ]) \0 {! J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# K0 m2 q( n, n- x* gbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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7 m! c6 s1 |$ U! ?im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 ~( [5 m) b) y* O, d" {% E
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards." D) g# ^% z8 u& ?% _8 N. i
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,+ D0 E  u2 }) S; g! i! W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& L. T) F- G/ G( A8 X7 @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ u  o! p! A6 h' `1 {$ u2 Fbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ a4 ~1 Z, @2 D; z2 \) n
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- U& t$ m5 `! U: _/ MRefer to last example,$ p9 L- [% t/ g0 n4 `- @* O5 h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' |, h7 }# ]. _' z$ \
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ \  ?# q6 I- u' J, U6 F; Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E$ G8 j6 R5 e. E8 _
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, " p' s4 u' z1 Q+ h' m. \* H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: v% N. R1 d) Z8 r% R8 O
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 7 Q8 q% D5 }' q) q! M, ~
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% F0 M5 p5 W% z+ Oit's the problem of the debt itself.
' N8 d( V2 K( J0 x, D+ U& fthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' l2 r% ^0 ^1 `小弟一直都唔明...
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9 h& l. M6 K  e- l全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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4 w4 y$ D+ c! H! H) U無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答7 q( q; a# U" y/ ^1 z9 X- O7 W

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那些根本係 紙上財富  / b. U6 }- c1 V) d* X: k% Z7 F
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; {- P. V$ ^, I- Z
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
8 C+ @  m. e& h/ S1 u當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 p) u7 {: ?, [8 p於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: h" F' _) w6 w' g個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' q2 c2 C! O4 v5 ]8 C扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& ~6 x3 d) q- w6 k計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 K4 A. e) u2 ^7 J" N$ Z% ]# o
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
4 _# E- g. g. K" s  \2 b0 S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( G# \- x, x& Y0 [但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* y" }2 D2 t+ Y2 F/ p2 u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / o- i$ Q4 H" i% i
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) e5 o7 O8 D0 s# d0 a7 P' V, l+ H& A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* `9 H: J/ |* Y* l# R

' G  D  F8 V: t- [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! t+ Y) j$ y  I7 [+ w( n# z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ @( B- q- h3 ?9 Q" l* ~. W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 T$ k& b3 h: a% {$ Y! _
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 Q5 s7 m1 \3 K咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& X' }8 `5 D* V1 C
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - f& k% F4 m" W$ N; S# U
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
+ p5 |( F% J& s& k1 x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" g9 Y$ @" w% p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
! I% |1 p' t/ X* h6 w8 C  Y連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 ~" R5 V/ T# O9 {# j3 R7 L
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產: j+ |0 ^% L0 C1 s, P4 U2 U* G
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 G6 i1 l2 [8 g! H9 i, u咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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4 l' W: Y$ U$ w7 V其實係...1 w# p) j' W5 Q
因為以前未生產, 先消費9 f1 g$ D" H9 x+ t" D: [
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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