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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: q( I( H0 R9 o
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ ]0 {$ Q3 d8 F/ L! v% w) F& o
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 W& I9 z9 [$ w) P: L" r, I( pso銀行可以不斷放款
/ Y; F- ]1 Z/ X6 R( O& y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界# e0 N5 w. d4 O
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mortgage loan 1 {# O9 E1 [; ~
>conduit
; n: O( ^- Z% Q  G/ G8 \8 t' j>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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2 Z& K2 N  B! Q  z4 k>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.0 j( M+ g2 }! z: P, s+ B, y; U
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
4 `& O& Z6 B1 g0 B0 P$ ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" X& P, Q+ V. @$ c# Z2 C/ Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
7 x2 p! W" v! ]8 Z7 yin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 V& k0 o- E5 R( X5 `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 y! ^3 b% @% B$ Z7 _
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 ^) j6 A* ^8 U6 g1 e$ i
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
: |7 q6 U* O9 m+ ^4 j: ]( {' `1 s: W! ^0 Jeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 k  O. W5 A! H& M, {1 f1 qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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* N6 d# Z8 V& S: _- Qim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# U* x, T: I0 k2 m
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.& _8 ^0 I( X* s
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" r# l' P8 L8 p) f9 aA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ @$ z0 R7 C% TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , n- \( N. G: F. w
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" T, O- c3 F0 o; J( ~
Refer to last example,
: v  x; q& m& N- U/ p/ X- Athat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' ~# X+ k2 C) E& T
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 i" [2 c* j9 ?# ^1 n. Ltherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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" f% s$ X9 W& FA->B->C->D->E$ ~& h* ]: ]" E& Y' T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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2 T9 n8 Z1 L! M% ^' U  Othe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 D' k5 ~  L4 l7 @4 Bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 R* {0 R; r$ N# L+ @, sit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 u4 T. _! c! M4 j$ uthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) W, D/ s* ]" B  a- i8 z
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& G4 j- x# ?$ H; a  U6 m9 I3 y敬請各師兄解答
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7 C& j4 |8 F7 ]; D# RThanks
4 B$ p3 D( Z% ~% k# o那些根本係 紙上財富  
% h! m% o6 I9 {各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- F1 K4 D! a+ R( ?1 q4 Q. i+ j

. x4 b( U$ k: ~, T; q! lhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: i5 N- }; b5 \0 f. {- [當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. d+ _; z7 y, I3 @; @) Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊( |  C* Q0 I  W  ?. l3 P/ @
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% ]3 ]7 x9 s3 R' Z& ?% l# B
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, u% L8 F5 ^+ ]8 T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
2 S' Y% \1 U/ g: n' c; _# G+ ~前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 h! Q$ H/ d% m2 u1 @
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得$ Y. ]( m( @) d1 j# x
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 W, t4 s% A) m' R( U例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 ~: Y6 N& q6 F咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%4 [- @; [  o; V" z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' t" M8 o# y$ S$ z

  {2 @, y; \2 X你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 `$ s6 U( l5 F2 P! i
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # F5 Z" [0 `& w$ p
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , }& ^# w( Y. N5 h- v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 V% \- P+ V3 \% l
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 @1 [4 }3 ^) n
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 Q6 l& ]+ D4 D# t
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 e) V+ R$ O& y/ p0 c
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 s. E/ Z3 i  E3 ?& \" g
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣# G% j. [7 A3 d6 }" I- E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 ?  \4 t8 w) E; ^- u) W0 ^
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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7 B4 B$ A& x$ i8 R; X6 _0 ]! O再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ }1 Q' m6 [$ L; C3 J: k
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票% D6 O' {3 g; w
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產) N) I" u! F+ O2 I
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 P7 l+ ?- f( ^7 L& X, z咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
' f9 S4 o/ p6 M7 p( z# g因為以前未生產, 先消費* F8 i3 ~* m; k( H! @/ o+ u; k
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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