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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 j( N5 I' r. P" C
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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  W9 x1 I( E! O0 C講到尾都係賺錢1 ^! p) X4 f& [% u- p/ ~8 L
so銀行可以不斷放款
4 B2 F" B# A0 F0 I$ H# a美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界+ Y+ l4 E. U- p  \9 g4 z) b
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mortgage loan & j( `' q( i( b
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.5 d$ ~! K5 I! o% h
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
# f7 [1 t$ b* O* Y! y. W, Nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.9 n6 R6 P4 s* V/ U, n
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! B: M" c9 d" Y% [% T- r/ p7 Y- ]
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; p, r) j( F" t4 s! R& A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- i, Z. k( V, p9 y
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- Y' u1 Z/ T9 s. I# }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; q0 V* G+ n3 i- e# xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 a; e" O1 ~' Z8 s
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ R6 ~; V6 \. W5 m* d1 F
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.+ M% w6 [3 _1 Q/ g# ^6 U# J) i. R
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 l( a* p5 u7 \! T2 U# C# K& a0 fA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
, k3 X; x1 c# Z* a3 N* LThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " k8 t! b) |2 a: T1 z9 w; @0 Y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; n3 V& O: `) x% G
Refer to last example,
* |; k; O4 U3 X: i3 G/ xthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A . Y# ^% |. w, |8 m% C5 ~3 H) N
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   y+ H" K# y) w. n
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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  h+ H. W  z& V% i! e- CA->B->C->D->E
& S% J6 g1 b1 @" j; Eso does it mean if E failed to pay D, ! k+ |1 b' ]+ u! r
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?2 e: {  N( _* b' N0 k

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  d1 p* o+ {$ B0 V: x. A& n9 Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
$ c2 o* V4 b' z6 l% E- Y. o3 O( d" Lit's the problem of the debt itself.* a. W3 S$ H* s! \; N) _7 V
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" U* P1 z& T9 a/ U( A& v! _! h  s小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?" V& V! V0 w) P% k/ }
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ I* v5 t) s" E2 j% S3 N9 G

7 k3 D0 L' F) i  M敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
  a! q- I; w0 X2 N  J各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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- O  h* @" u/ ihttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
4 c4 ^+ Y* T' G" z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 q: O- q+ @2 y& [於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# |, K& B8 C1 Z6 ?; r. T6 }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦6 g2 X) I. {% ?3 o& P
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 Z2 \" ]2 D  ~9 u6 C  K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( h# k: W! D: o6 t6 S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
% g) B7 B9 K' [1 \% k3 d2 x5 l, h同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 r* C" Q  j2 s4 J/ Q0 z但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 G5 p2 U9 `1 n% i$ K, f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
% k, |& I6 W* p! q: x3 j9 D咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) U0 T, n1 d7 ]( m所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) C; f: Y4 g- V) g- @- m' D但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   ?$ J0 a  m/ \2 N; e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 m' V( F: F5 A0 K呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* o% A& h$ t! P唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ K# ]; }  Z  ]+ a) y9 S9 S* s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; p& C& |) i5 T- c0 G4 P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 G& x2 S0 f% G: E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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! P% m4 t/ c; N1 q( B1 ?正係咁樣
" N" `1 t7 H: v/ ?% |0 P其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 i% @$ ^* ^- G8 J! J
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
3 t3 s- z' X/ {% }$ V4 s% y! i% X一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
0 s! m% w- @( I' k' H1 g+ l8 ~) h編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 D& ?9 Q2 R* r; _8 F% M* d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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) f  H0 L8 ?. \; n- L* \其實係...1 E2 |" l, f3 M2 `) x. ?: \) U( |
因為以前未生產, 先消費6 Z( R, N! i8 b: s! P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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