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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ d0 o' T; _* Y) R. L8 iWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ n! s4 p1 d7 G/ J" _. _  |: gI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
$ [+ u" [4 T( ~' e% ]so銀行可以不斷放款
' @$ ~* t3 W' O9 }1 L$ o) d美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 Q5 w  m+ ]* M* S

4 J/ E2 D1 g( j. K- O- k0 _: P2 Nmortgage loan   u7 N; f1 P, p; ^2 x; g; {, y
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ }: D5 C8 d5 C% N
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 r8 ^$ O, n" l  l, p- [CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% E1 b3 k; J6 c
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 Y% c, n2 z- S8 x; x" o( ~. c0 k  i
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
3 \3 c" e: h( T' @in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
4 M8 H! o8 e+ N9 R4 c: iAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# ^1 m7 V7 L2 V5 ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* p; E: n$ u) F7 g# B' i+ U" |2 B$ Z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& K, ~8 F% g( K6 m5 Y) Qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' p, r/ a5 L/ dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 Y% |: A6 G8 A, `7 P* G: v# l  v
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; x, q$ o: _  B/ u" }6 E& Iin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ w# H; t5 U7 {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
* O0 x% X* u! T- TA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 ?: r2 a  v# N, iThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  j# }/ |/ Q' [6 B" L- _7 E- sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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# f6 B: f5 ]- F[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' R+ z4 R& d0 M4 J* R5 R1 L& vRefer to last example,
+ V, R' L. a6 U5 jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( Q& x8 x% {# `: [) e# T/ S$ YBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! u. B4 h/ r" ~  \0 M) Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
, ^/ X, h+ v8 {so does it mean if E failed to pay D, # P% j1 X, w+ F" f5 l& H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ p/ ^/ a2 ?$ k8 t! ~: L
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * r  ]& `8 y2 g  i% G2 V
it's the problem of the debt itself.* M% O- W4 w: a% V' A- \2 @
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. U: o7 J& o; ^' U; b& p+ ~) i# m小弟一直都唔明...$ s$ V* V$ O) e" I$ S5 r

3 B1 C4 ]- q! h' Y$ f全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. m8 j6 w* E  @# {) }8 M9 ]
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' X* i' g% |7 p+ j
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敬請各師兄解答
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$ \: ~& Y9 u( u/ ^+ q- n4 U2 [那些根本係 紙上財富  2 c1 x) t) e* }+ h2 B: U
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) F7 Y( u/ N( b# @$ N3 W當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. I$ y4 {& v- S2 Y) N8 u& P  ]0 r於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. @* o  e3 F) i( i3 a
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ @4 @% n. s7 P: e% B6 j  F
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ W0 U2 _" F! Y; e: ^
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 B: H/ f  w- v# W" O前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 d7 [0 {. Z: k同埋個市場既前境要係好先得5 N+ ]+ ?* X' a' U9 [% A
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
0 B& ~6 I! W9 ]  }例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 0 W+ k2 N2 z. l
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 \# Q, d8 m- S, I
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) t7 C4 N  S$ ]) ^3 g. y; Y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 d& X' a9 m) o/ {但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: q6 W" e4 `- ?  }% P! t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' Y6 M' l/ V  T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ V- |/ S- P8 H& ]7 P" q$ ]
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ k9 D" ~5 i$ Z+ J; M1 Z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 u/ Z  Y1 ]$ |" Q. p
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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8 L" N( \( r, i: n5 ]咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
: I( |" T- K! e0 k# B0 e其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
5 p3 \6 C$ h4 d0 d分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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5 o2 {8 U# V4 i  A# i5 G# S再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& F' N( |, ^, {4 S連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
0 ^1 D* j% P8 c7 w8 |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產& B' _7 t+ h' T, u$ t2 ]7 J; O5 T
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; P3 K0 b# h7 M. s; X
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費3 w2 U9 T* H, I6 L' d' y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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