Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ F3 i5 B5 F; M( j$ q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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% R% l6 q: z$ z道理我知道好多只係做吳到, V% ^: W% ]" }" W* c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% c% k+ u" I; p

; W/ F+ y( {2 X; N; W* Z3 K* |8 iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ {* N. R; e9 V1 b. y  @& O& fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& X/ ?! X5 P. z9 f: |6 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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4 ~7 S* A; c+ Z2 Z; H因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 \1 i% S4 R6 ^2 T: d, u7 {5 o( T- C5 R所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; h" F; }1 N% B6 p- Y5 Q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% z3 n+ Z. y! r: `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ ^! O( \! B8 h$ u  \9 ], {4 bWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' L$ H3 H6 v5 m! f( Y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& Y9 F+ X5 t* d) l8 `" q; E# L- q/ H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" }7 J8 @# O0 A. b"不信也沒損失"
7 ~# o- V: [  uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 N4 N7 ~' ?  z, ?( @/ U8 S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." T5 x, ~3 k" S, S

$ C# M+ I6 f: a0 b/ J" iit's starting because we have sins......+ U, ?# a6 D! i9 N: x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; d* i2 g: Y- b9 E& U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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5 y9 V" j# x$ V( Y& ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 f3 n6 h+ s  D) q/ i+ e; n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ f2 f- c# _' l+ a: p" |; c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) R( Z+ j9 A  U+ c! y, |# A- s
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 N! r4 i  A: V2 E0 M7 `/ z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 B0 t7 a2 y5 H, W( W1 F/ k  `! @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& K0 M& k2 p+ K, L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. r5 Q; P9 T# ~! G2 z" O8 _" H9 {6 s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) b$ a& u! D" ^

8 r3 ?  f0 v8 M& K/ a* U6 x以下是其他人的見解,, j, r/ j$ m( f! {  _/ t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 w% k4 h9 h2 s) c/ P1 V不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% p* N1 e' K  c

  w! J8 y6 n, G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 P6 J( o+ y4 {5 T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& R0 ~3 a8 ^8 B.............信耶穌... ...

. Q* H' i- t( r! [# k5 p$ U, U! ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 \; |/ ^# e) [& [4 F) x

1 N3 m$ R  e8 W2 v& n0 ^' U2 T  vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.