Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ U4 ?  t+ S# |% F道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 A/ \, Y+ v2 p) h8 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' P( C1 K: C2 Q  n2 C$ h! d9 s+ hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& S; I9 Y6 O) k1 A! G4 w- l" b

; W8 R% ~# }/ u3 B0 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 m; F+ e9 f4 a3 d9 I

" D, m' K( K; j$ l7 ?% Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- a# z  F! r$ j0 h4 I# i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 q4 ?6 J; R) Z" m# |0 X) H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人8 V) i4 d* O3 i+ ~# t2 Z) M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: r/ H$ ?+ Y( w3 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: z( P( J; g7 d' R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 p2 D. V6 A1 y: L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) G6 ]* D+ Y9 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; w$ p+ |3 {' h! uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# b4 \9 ^5 w  ?; }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 }3 v7 N; N5 I+ `* |0 ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 o4 y/ \* `, `5 n1 Y4 @. ~
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 Z7 _9 @( K* }/ l1 V$ ?( `9 e& V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 b  M; X& \  x: r" ^) n6 }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& P4 M9 C; C+ U( h, Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." V1 \! ~) h6 D: t: J
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it's starting because we have sins......- Q+ R7 j, O$ O$ L8 W$ K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " X, X& ^8 T6 g! V# x7 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 G/ N/ J# W, Z/ K+ a# p# {: ~只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* M; [5 J+ s, {$ T: ]" ?4 @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 k5 E4 J: I* ^% `8 `6 ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, F* l8 @0 g) w# j5 a9 N' E3 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) p1 g+ m) i4 ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 R( @, g5 {# Y8 M$ }9 O, U0 d; a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( K9 h( p- b" S# g6 G% c, p3 k: [
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ L! {; W3 T4 ^: o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. {( K6 K5 U/ G7 ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( ]# ]+ V% N" v. U8 F宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ a6 U- U7 E% {  E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( k4 M' N; \5 J/ e* A) }9 O
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以下是其他人的見解,
  X, R) C+ o4 }& T/ O$ t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 H% {# B/ z; `, E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, H2 Z3 h; f( [* ?# G
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" ~+ \- L. v- k, {- a# `

3 b% T! v1 j2 R7 i- U5 V$ E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 ^/ Q: U6 d" n0 `9 H# @

& E/ [4 J' h* J% A1 W- w' A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" w- W( z4 A( ^3 ^+ Z1 S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: C1 ?) C7 n/ D6 \3 \
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! |1 ^$ W- p, i* L/ u9 C" M* A
.............信耶穌... ...

, q  M( g# Z- k$ B/ qRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 f: e( F# T$ zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.