Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, p7 L4 N4 R$ y! J; B4 `" {. f( J* c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% y9 e* R/ P$ ^5 {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% N8 F. c! B! z" H' Q/ s道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 J) f4 N8 F8 d! w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. {% X7 L5 d4 |, \7 Y* JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) T$ ~7 _4 U) g, p7 v3 J- s% {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 F1 ]' `' t3 b

/ Y. B1 e) y, j+ V( y1 ~# Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% w+ L; n  n+ Q. t6 X! e8 \  w" }! J
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... B* A0 ]* C# B% X1 m6 u# M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話8 r! ]& c2 c, g9 @2 w' A6 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人% m) g; n5 K: m- S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 c1 R# e8 ^3 W% j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. A2 f, g$ r: z( Z' e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# Y) v( H5 [' n" t
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& H& ~. @6 P8 C: T. E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# g& U. h* Y% |/ F/ y! G" p: T# fWhat a statement we have here?
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! V& k' l$ s7 G0 p: b* hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' E/ I6 V  `7 a' K) J. @+ `9 t

( D' H; f) d0 j8 Q/ kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* a! E) H, q; u% ?! Z; a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: r# S% L: O  \! U$ v: k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* }8 I9 W2 a' F7 \; w0 _" o"不信也沒損失"
% m# I+ b2 S  Q$ ?2 e5 |! w9 Q9 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, [9 P) R2 Y/ i5 x& z! abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
! s& {6 w: j% T  s9 k) X" {satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; _$ E$ x  E. x1 ~  A" p: a: x- _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% ]; P- E3 m' f6 b0 F只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. m; X7 K' X! R+ W- a6 N* y. \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 F5 E  Y) S$ t9 l# c6 _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. I5 y  Q3 S' n' k% U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; s+ G( V) G/ Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 e+ Y; _$ E% j1 L6 x7 z8 q) d6 X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 H' c1 x' z$ n  k; h

! T3 D# Z) v" t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- q, V! O& `" e+ d8 g5 Y! H" z1 l: w: g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 W3 d# m# K% }/ _7 q9 p# W3 ?' D' R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  R5 N/ I; b9 Q1 e" T

6 A/ q7 D, Z7 e& D- i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 t$ {6 O6 n; w+ O' _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
0 R# a; r; N* H: f& v6 A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 h, @* {+ X, P- G
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm) @6 a. `4 q* ?

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# Z% I2 Y/ z) a: g
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" u8 d6 h% L) E+ i# m3 }- ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: Q+ i7 X; d# O" J; G* O0 F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; J& T" _2 w5 B1 Z& Q: g0 }+ \  N6 m: |

+ c: y7 I$ t* ]6 v& [: h9 h2 z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 t7 a" m$ n3 \2 k1 P: k; X; F
.............信耶穌... ...

/ B* M4 m$ S- E+ f1 E3 |, m6 l1 W6 m' w3 aRegarding the resurrection....
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' E2 [9 t- z9 D, j/ I- k3 j0 `+ PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% ]7 P* Q# r7 C7 w

- B9 _8 ]* B, f3 J7 c( vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.