Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  i# z" E& S5 r8 ]; _5 E; d我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 L, s( u) q8 n1 d' a8 G' d
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' g1 s/ D! e2 H/ `. _# k  G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' _  l* [+ m3 I! g* G6 u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: i+ M. H2 h9 @3 L9 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( n" k# M  y# W$ omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& q, R2 `4 |' H+ u5 ?0 mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; Q  L& T: r5 J9 C  Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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) `8 o( t; Q, E$ F, z* H2 D真的!!這不是反話' q; y# y) J1 z3 n' a# K
因為我是情感比理性強的人& C* _/ k4 c& d0 f) M8 E3 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) V9 n. g' x+ _  m3 J5 m1 n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, l' t$ y0 G: t+ s" A5 N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& t" `. @/ I3 ]0 X2 F9 v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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* x# ]. E2 ?7 D; b2 X8 gWhat a statement we have here?6 L( a7 u2 u  R: J4 u! }- Z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ s$ Y* Z4 J1 X! e5 {! k6 U

2 ^2 y& T% K5 u' K. _& y+ `- BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: Z1 d& e6 t/ @6 mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
$ ^9 W- b- w8 t9 wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 G* j3 H' @8 K- @; Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 \2 s# _/ s: h% _" b* R

& o( s- `. K# k, P( D. i* h( H# f  tit's starting because we have sins......4 J4 d  ~  G+ C6 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - o  {7 z4 p. O' I. Q( W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: v. \; a3 Z3 \# p9 Q6 W1 a( L) I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; A& s# p1 S# G' {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) v% P1 {8 n0 L$ Q2 w0 f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 e$ C. m6 {, u/ a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* u( R, ~7 k+ n9 v6 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 q: P2 n; q0 S# [* o2 ~- ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," U, F3 @  n; u5 R9 O! W4 g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 L0 F+ Y: u5 z$ t/ C. N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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0 D3 R5 T& A1 N: U: i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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; Q* [- {3 n6 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  D/ P6 b0 u. `& x& D" [3 n! W2 j, k7 l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" d( L8 @- w9 E( G9 V

4 v9 {0 B( @, J# O以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# w5 b5 Z. S+ u9 S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% y5 [% T; r3 ^7 }* k3 w7 Q

+ O8 D) c# Q) u) ~8 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 e. Z, H1 w* L& V" P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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: r: r' Z- C; b/ S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 t  o# Y8 W3 x9 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( p6 k# v9 I5 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! [. p) ]/ _8 l2 n7 D8 k

3 S! E: V( ]2 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.