Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- L, e) w5 D4 i/ m7 z  _+ O我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' u; w! |+ I+ j  I又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* R" T1 L9 _% t$ T) v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: a! H1 K+ M; e
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 ]+ |8 |1 j& B1 P  H1 C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% G' L1 z( g# |/ u$ f- pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, w( m3 Z+ m# r: ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' t( {6 [7 }, W- i/ n- k, Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 _; {' s4 e0 a' t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 O( [% B$ B0 C1 j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ \" V1 L/ e+ W- H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 R; M; U0 G" ]3 IWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# F, [( c. c' I% v! j$ rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# S, k) W- N: v& [. I3 o
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* l) [2 h# q/ D) `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 ~# _0 }2 D+ W, `"不信也沒損失", `  [( D8 I. b! V. o! W" H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) J8 |! ?. g& obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) j$ @. i7 M$ q$ u: C% S+ |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   o+ n7 Y& u4 _7 b( F
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ d) r+ s. I, H1 M" ~% ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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) B& A+ w( k( x1 v( p# }2 [. b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& `- ]! `3 [# f: ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! m8 J! r# R6 ?# |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- s- U& }# U( X1 ?  r* `* l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 P! x5 q1 r: i4 Y4 t1 z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. J" d- h7 ~1 s; l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& B& _$ ^& r. h! X( J9 z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... A; G& C% B# k+ g" ^& j4 D* p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 q. p  V8 U2 E% C$ H* `* Z

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! t, F% K  ~' X  ?0 n* r- V4 I

( {8 a9 _6 u9 @$ i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. y  D4 f2 j- }+ m

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' m% Y' a1 w. e1 B& t( D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 p0 K3 u1 j7 D& P

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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" D. N+ w- y) B0 u9 l1 _/ R! ERegarding the resurrection....1 K7 m6 J/ d( X% E  W. ^* O

, r$ V; V5 G0 r3 kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., }1 j6 r1 F- x) _% ~1 q9 L) w

' `7 G" \/ r" [0 n, C. u: f! x' \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.