Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 |! w- k6 O8 X9 A" h0 j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 T6 y, G% @, i: X- A" K# ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( r2 j4 l$ m( |1 }8 }3 l0 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 g/ L+ p5 q: w0 x& Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& M6 ]  D- F- P$ j8 `3 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 W3 G0 E8 E" M6 Z& DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 P0 w. x5 w0 [+ {9 Z$ |6 m

- i  O7 l# _2 D$ I- ?% h1 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% C" g8 h1 [: m+ |8 _

! G- X/ L# [6 r! Y# Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 D/ K6 w5 \% _0 x& L: O0 Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; E$ w& @* o; J  N/ }" b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 K: Y5 j! r4 a, O3 H
真的!!這不是反話
+ u0 K1 U/ E+ l& y7 I; b# \因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 e/ [0 f- S8 n  V; c所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) ]. H: _: _5 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ Y+ O% G) X& @  `3 U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! p% O; U: m& A; F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ |1 S8 e# A9 [* s1 _: E, u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ S9 t* w- O1 [4 @$ AWhat a statement we have here?. n! a& K2 p6 Z# ?- \; c

0 A: ~! @) c( TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' E$ L; \) [" j' FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 ?- ~( ^" c9 F, e$ ]
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 u% ]1 }' C9 W+ C! w% ~, D  r" J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 l- @9 m' q9 ?; f"不信也沒損失"
# ]' U0 B( a! D# Q% b- ?- p- jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 P2 A7 X# ?2 V5 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 m6 O3 t& b" `4 ~6 a# ]& T

9 ]: t7 R: a0 S- sit's starting because we have sins......; o1 X. v" }: v' D% G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 N7 h, |7 O) D3 D4 h0 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  z# v: U  H) t) `, V  z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 L: [3 y8 \3 `6 {/ E1 \- S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) ^* h& m3 r# E' P: ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( A/ s' `/ z5 _7 d1 s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 K$ ^0 v6 I6 x* {7 M$ ~4 H: b' s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 s) ]) l, D3 f8 B+ z7 [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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3 B1 b( v2 f. A6 ^# S3 [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) M! N# h0 R* K2 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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# E5 v! C# K7 `* q; m以下是其他人的見解,; E/ l: R% F2 ~4 D6 k) o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: M, ?# R$ O1 l# }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. p) i% C1 Q5 ^! f  l

- P6 Z" F% |) b! w+ t: z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% m! D6 m9 C5 ]3 k: J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( |* ], n' M( t9 P2 |/ a

/ I$ n# U4 Y. B- }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% X* b8 b& ~. E8 Y5 h/ _.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% I% N% V1 s8 O* A7 a& y. f

% \1 Z/ e6 }( {- e) u: _: fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 I! t: _& a- W# X* KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.