Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. O$ [1 \* H" V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" _5 P1 I5 s, _. y' z+ e# V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 |9 n& _2 {& T4 G0 V4 y% Z* _道理我知道好多只係做吳到; H& A# d+ W* n8 {! ~3 p5 w4 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% c& e, Y, h2 l* @% W% rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 y* R& D& g* @( kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- L" [+ l' i! f! s; X

  Z8 R9 c3 L- l6 |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' F1 L* {5 ^5 S& k* _/ s% _  qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* d& P9 a* Y0 G( L6 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 W) {( r% u% T$ I
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... ]2 r8 q8 v9 H% y! Y/ a
真的!!這不是反話
9 Y, B# ~$ T" G! i9 c/ _* z因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 {0 T7 j, U' }. p, P所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 y% s1 V) Q. _# \" K3 V- r) d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, {" {  Q0 h& y& N3 P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 S3 C$ I! r3 p8 o" }. K. x% j( g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 J% r4 U0 I1 r& @
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   s# t3 X2 H$ B3 U  ]/ f2 [

  h  s% F* k( q, _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( X* F; M! g' t9 T) `0 }

* Z; f/ b0 f- \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 c2 @( O6 O. {1 f5 F' K" k% c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* I% }; _1 u# C' a; z& j3 s2 j; L"不信也沒損失"
, k( F2 M& [7 K8 V- j3 F5 tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 B2 h+ B& p. G$ K6 `0 i, S2 G% cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* e0 u; R3 t. a* Z4 D- t

% u! x/ x1 l/ |/ ?5 K! f8 Dit's starting because we have sins......
; L% z- O$ e' tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ P5 V1 ]! `) U: ?: O: Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 v: e  F' \- w" [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 K! O" `& d5 t3 b2 E# f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 a$ A, u6 A2 v9 H. ?2 K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 a: g5 {) e0 n2 W. h# W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 d5 a# g$ l. B: K" e美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 U0 K) W8 k2 ]; ]% `; Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" x' F2 s$ N# b9 `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 n( X* W8 e" P! D* ]- g/ j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# [5 z  B8 s* C( C$ m' g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 }/ t, \8 m5 F# G. q

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 x' M+ \% d6 s) P& {8 r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 p( ?1 w+ a& s* z# M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; _' o5 g+ M+ z9 g5 l; U5 t  X& `.............信耶穌... ...

5 X2 d+ R& D: G1 W1 Z) }7 `Regarding the resurrection....
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4 }6 p2 k1 P9 H/ s$ g6 l  _/ n! C* qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  N6 I9 o! n; i. K6 |# ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.