Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 e6 R: e; ^3 u* u我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ ~8 q( w' M" a( E7 N, u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' s! H" D' d" d" ^3 u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- ~. I+ e/ K1 ?% C1 E: j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( r3 B6 G( R5 L" ]+ n5 M; O) Z5 Z

+ r2 G5 J$ ]8 d; a3 R# B2 rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: s% |. ]/ e/ C& n; G( @0 _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% E( }& p- J2 A! m0 H# Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ J5 ^% A0 L3 Z+ t2 n+ K
真的!!這不是反話3 u8 D$ B1 q3 e0 f* J! N* {
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ G$ k7 X5 n9 P0 k) ?% M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 |6 [3 V: d7 ]! w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," D1 L$ e7 a$ @# Q( D$ T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 w/ t: F0 k% O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# X4 T, O9 r# r6 b9 x* K8 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( Y- W# D/ Z4 T" b; [# Y, LWhat a statement we have here?  \1 l% Y; B+ h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ `' i1 z) L: B. W2 u

! Z+ Z0 N6 M/ w* P: f0 v/ p6 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. y- Q) R% U; K: r4 N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 U# W- c* H+ g, d$ i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" J7 l+ k9 }, b; u- R"不信也沒損失"
4 [' \: R- C; Y* ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' d: \* l( \5 k! S3 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 g$ l! a# O' v& H: ]8 c( D" w/ r

# M& W) Q& C+ d% Q6 Jit's starting because we have sins......; [, D+ }0 X: l8 e+ l$ f5 H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 G9 {6 H5 \0 M) Y& Q0 I" tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: x1 G8 t* r' j- c8 Z6 a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 e/ u( @/ S0 f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 y7 a# u/ L' S2 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 @( E( n4 c5 u( E# n
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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* a' y. t: M0 s+ ]+ o$ {6 P% D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) v6 c; ~$ C8 E6 S7 s3 p0 @# B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) X/ ]# K; P. Y; E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 r: r, Q& M+ O$ M+ p7 n以下是其他人的見解,* u# G3 K9 t; t5 ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 D2 P6 b$ l/ N  D- r; S
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# V, ~7 P- w: ]) B0 }" ~+ \( n
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 g# F. \$ p; ^6 G9 F

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 M, z8 h6 U, f
.............信耶穌... ...

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.