Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ `* ]4 J  d" q( R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' c  E/ L: V- i- ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* }0 F0 u/ s$ Y+ U: m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) E6 E2 i8 d( E, T9 ?; T

5 W5 Y* j/ r3 D  h" a. z! jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ o. ], `+ W9 A" j' e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 ?% j1 t0 r! r/ w5 V/ V6 @! ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 l; f3 U% g. }4 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, a  p+ I- G- j4 t1 F9 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  l* ?( B8 c, rWhat a statement we have here?
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2 N  d' ~- F' m' @% R/ uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! w. }9 l: W& p* n. F0 M

( K! N! V3 t* u( H! sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ N* j3 s) W% R/ L: ]

( G2 U7 D2 v0 L  K( [* S# rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 {3 Q  k: C' B, i4 J
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 M1 z4 e$ M" }* J7 F7 _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% {( H6 H: M" |2 ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 P$ T0 X: s" f. B* `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 [4 x9 A0 l1 N) ]% W, e& T* Sit's starting because we have sins......
5 p( X7 I  {& E* wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 L( D5 U# f' d4 ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' e6 H0 ]+ |) ?1 _只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; }9 Q7 ?) k) M1 C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 N/ y! i- r" J9 M2 c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 ?% h6 x8 q+ D( L0 P+ G/ _1 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 |! a) C" Z& [; \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- I# ^. g4 C9 V6 g

# q' N8 i0 m4 J' N" f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 L( X0 q- m  y1 B/ E9 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 F; G0 J. |' T, a

0 m0 T7 J4 v  a8 _# E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& M1 F/ p- t/ T! G3 [( y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 ^$ O& d+ Z# j1 T6 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 d0 g/ ]/ z; M1 k/ P6 H9 ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! S: M& O5 x5 ^+ N- ^. ~& s
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以下是其他人的見解,7 W0 K! {" w+ j( ^$ H  C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 I0 S7 f# w2 n& g$ [' e2 a3 Y1 n* O
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. c7 f, ^! y+ {6 X. p2 S

$ k2 F* C, I% ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ x' s$ H3 ^& N6 X4 `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& x7 G: j! Y3 N2 V8 b8 u1 |" s0 E
.............信耶穌... ...

3 ]. \8 t3 k& w& L8 ?8 ]Regarding the resurrection....
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+ T: @1 G! F  `" Z# P& vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.