Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 d. u0 w* L- T# m. Q' n( k5 R) Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 Z# Y( [* r$ K' b  c1 Q7 e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 t6 ~% ?3 q+ R( v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 @1 Y/ e" d; a) ]: V" s. ]5 }- q3 a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# h. _) N; d( H5 zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# ?# i( X" v: b3 G# q$ o

+ x5 J  K8 S- U( D' l8 xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." K3 L& @4 H' K2 c
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& d5 s) a: ^+ _' m: gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ Q: N7 q( i: r  g' _$ M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( |! ?1 q* x# _3 D/ @- ~7 Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 Y+ s2 `0 V8 O& |* q7 ]  M! P5 R
真的!!這不是反話
0 o# ^6 b- }1 i/ y/ m3 ]. k因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 p! l; H! @, k7 v/ A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. j. ?, f8 b( U3 }# }! F' R" q. n& K6 \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% }) @0 |' Y  |$ G* J: f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
4 c% w2 s/ |, U# c正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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) d9 B1 q" c" R, {. L+ b) vWhat a statement we have here?
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! e4 q' d( c) p* hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 |. X2 h$ t, Y6 {' H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 z2 u4 M1 V* F9 Y3 n- {& E

* M; l- \& s, o5 ]) VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 X5 J/ T% j" m# l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 s) L. U0 \; PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 E1 Y1 p  ]& N0 U# N" `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ \# W5 @3 c4 Y, F( [

$ j' H% W4 c1 U/ e) U. |  qit's starting because we have sins......: c; N5 \0 Q  a+ z( _) ^; a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 U- @: n3 H. Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 f" r) A! x- S) U只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 [7 C) ]- K' Q  |" u8 m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ Y) e- U9 F+ a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! }' i, v  Y2 r- k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' I: M6 W+ t" V1 N; W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% T* @# J5 Z( }8 h

2 [8 \2 Q' z1 ^2 j/ b9 p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, W% @6 ^# ~! o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  m& y: i  R: W: E9 D" G5 e6 W( [8 P9 S

9 c( p3 o- Y' Q5 |8 w; r( P) L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 _) C' t0 r6 t' @" J# o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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3 Y; S) h. L" z/ D0 {8 \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 H" h7 K4 \. C+ T& R- B

, K( _' W& l- z- l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! l0 |! N) X/ Y: P/ n; `4 W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* j1 X8 G+ G$ ~6 N( N

) N/ s3 J; ]& a( V7 [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! W# K0 }; ^& }% c# y& Y9 U! b6 i

/ f( r: c, `* T9 E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ |6 d: o; ]6 U2 v

! ]' X& k/ @  u0 L. I9 h3 F+ R) S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  w0 j' a) k* W" Q1 G/ C8 w7 x4 }  z9 ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) k  @, ]* j$ ~7 j/ M+ N# I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ B) y- [* ^6 b' F5 t

5 Z/ M' a: C5 U+ x1 l0 `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 ^# }+ ^1 T. x% _% v0 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.