Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- X. ]& x0 w2 P+ V% b% b2 S1 M6 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' G' e$ A  h% X2 s  @又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' ^* U. y2 Q" s  F! `( M+ B道理我知道好多只係做吳到* K6 }! e- [/ }( @2 n( V" F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 a5 m1 D4 P" H! j. R# yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  S! o- R9 Q/ T- z- w$ K. {# G' R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& c  G/ j8 R$ G# d2 P3 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. d3 |8 R0 e9 J5 H: bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' t& M8 W/ Y8 p# o我只不過微小的基督徒...................& i# a% u2 N) z( w+ \7 \
真的!!這不是反話- j/ \% Z4 G0 _4 c" K; n6 d
因為我是情感比理性強的人* L3 A* L+ B: M* P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, q( {/ [5 a: a% S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  v3 \1 q6 i& m0 D. Q0 L8 F) m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; n4 @, V: L- ~% U7 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 O6 l" k" K: s% {/ C5 R" j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, _5 ]2 V; C5 w4 Z& IWhat a statement we have here?" k# j1 Q0 a+ Y, ~

9 L1 n; i2 C# Q9 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 O1 R% k- E% I% ^1 `. p/ ~

: I. h  F' [% Y9 z; d$ i2 gI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% Z* O5 _8 C1 n7 a& fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( a; ~, k& _$ k: a0 t  z: O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 H" E* B" M) V"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 L  w" ~( e5 w, q" ^
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it's starting because we have sins......) k4 U9 I9 J* h- h+ k% l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , M: h: D/ x. B1 b( \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& E; |5 c  I4 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' L3 L& F) O# X8 \( [( u- q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 Y( o/ z9 l+ R; L1 ?; b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, j# W7 @8 l' J) H9 ]1 ?" `. ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 [0 z" m% `% ~% _7 u+ E; q5 l8 Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 }+ R' H/ B+ U5 H! T( X

% }  _0 v( `+ G" V' T8 u) h9 m  y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, v; q5 u* h9 k- M6 L: z! z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ K% @( u% o3 n  D& s. A/ d! F

& k! C- H( Y' Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* h) k9 H' @0 Q( ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. ?6 E- Z/ ~9 G" N+ t1 s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ R2 V% z7 z4 c% z" S3 B3 e" M( E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! r: _8 O0 h( A+ X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) ^) T  n/ J8 E  \
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% p2 x% A" W! Z# @' v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 W8 f7 X0 Z3 h0 S3 u$ Y/ u% j8 t.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 |7 m3 v9 V; \( P+ Z0 i9 J7 l
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 h' ]; f0 p$ K! v3 j5 C, ~, t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.