Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( [! U6 M* K& J) u! A8 r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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# b8 B: b% Y* U8 F7 B2 f3 B, a道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ ^  _6 V. b2 g& r# y: X- C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ v$ i2 b' n. w0 x$ d; `) G

2 w; E8 I" D5 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 C2 D0 [5 K+ d  b0 }; v

8 g. V7 |" R% z6 h: u* A* \8 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... `& \& k/ \! }1 o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 e  b* _) u" L0 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) w8 R( p' D/ n7 X0 q3 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: L3 T  P  `5 n3 i! Y
真的!!這不是反話2 V/ _* z- U1 s. a3 `4 a5 k
因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 G2 O4 ?) A3 d. b7 o: e* A. O* v所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ L7 H' w3 N7 D0 ]- a' E0 J以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: T2 ?: K# t5 J3 T( Q& H# D  B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 L0 W3 @3 i4 K! H& z9 {" |
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 I( z& o1 U6 m0 W( L3 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& I0 c4 h4 C, ^4 b2 `What a statement we have here?( M& P- |. N7 |# }3 j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( S$ {' q0 J5 c; c8 R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) x+ s5 `: X+ v0 e  w( i8 c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 n; A2 o& X8 V# ?! N3 ]$ ?5 D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 e; V4 l, f/ V: U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ M- B6 ^) i* }2 {it's starting because we have sins......% l& d& ?. E$ v- `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : F0 i3 b. G4 s! J! h) |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", T7 k: C' C) z7 H2 A, [+ `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ Q! X1 q- [* I% k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( N5 c' j! _2 _8 u8 ]4 l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) b- V' f0 G- e  ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& K- _3 u: T4 ^" e! ^1 b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( Y' g8 h8 \+ p; _6 f6 d

8 K# t( T) B0 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- X- y8 i4 a( t4 w, D$ U. o( w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ q* t8 S" L/ h9 D" v# l

/ k1 {/ _0 U5 O2 e/ Y. x5 s' Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," y2 `: F( \, n" R5 A1 N  z" {
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ h3 ]8 R9 V+ `" X7 F" G4 H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ K1 Q! A8 [  _. B

6 d6 m6 ^  l# x- ]3 \0 h  J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* D5 a  l" U* p8 H/ ?

6 g7 z  Y& _  y( D" D6 h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* b7 L% a( V( m/ A; Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  f. ^; u/ G: ^. n6 F

4 F5 C+ N1 K3 `6 H7 u& W4 `7 H以下是其他人的見解,8 F6 g9 R# V. o  k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  F4 F0 \4 {/ y& h* O$ R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; s5 c* B( I5 i5 ]& q+ V2 }

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  z; s* t, c& {" f

, k- y* @4 U3 N' M; p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, T6 b6 U& f$ F6 T: R# u* U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" R) H3 S" A: `: C5 d

! i+ R# u1 O# D0 k5 Q! b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" j% P+ G4 v# o8 }

# t* f$ h+ d  Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 R: n6 v1 {# {4 ?2 [" k- g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: `0 r, Y0 U, [: Z2 V8 }8 B

5 y# a0 M8 T% e* b' tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ c3 [& e! m! \5 N- |5 \  r* c4 M6 z

1 p4 J+ @* E' b- }/ L8 f% eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.