Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  S/ {3 |9 @; [  W6 g: i" y1 N& ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& p( N% A! U+ [/ B8 Y2 H$ y. {0 C* _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 y$ {6 U1 l% O道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; K, k3 m+ A4 S1 ^) b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  d4 r" z+ M- m  M. H: T6 a( z* c

0 a% `1 R1 i+ \- K3 u: VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ i1 G3 U% Z- p" P! \

1 V: w/ y8 [( E' ^0 V+ z- {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! g. K/ @/ E  ?1 o) D: Q

0 _  f$ N+ p) f8 tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# u! B. c! Y" C. o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# X9 F% Y3 j" G9 y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( }5 Y( D, G! E  k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 {! f4 Y- O& ^0 b  `! H7 A% h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; N: P4 }+ g, X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* N2 u( K4 V6 y$ w& y! H8 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( ?/ J6 n3 L& p! hWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : B/ N. J: i; @( V* t6 Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ q. S6 p4 L8 N/ O3 L; T( `; c
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 m1 h( y$ S8 J! O' w( s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- O; I; H, r- t/ K: c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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& g# `( d. q) k: a2 bit's starting because we have sins......4 b; c# J/ O! t( W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". V2 y) u( {4 r* i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ J4 n9 F; b) r5 j) c9 F' n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  G& Q' {# {- l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 S3 Y- k+ @; ^& j$ _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 q  y; [5 b/ F8 w8 S1 \# w2 q  r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. `/ \6 x# X3 w' \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% s/ E- Y" ^# L' q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ d8 _6 u6 w8 T1 T5 Y' ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# }% \8 l' `: w" N% L; E& U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# E* ^5 j& X$ q' P宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  I$ ~+ ^2 o% q4 n3 d, m' B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 r! O) b1 D, d' ~1 X! }3 S6 A& b3 Y& R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 W. d6 u) p' `
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以下是其他人的見解,
5 C/ ]  a6 D* S9 k% f看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# d- d$ ^9 z4 q) z  `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; E& `: z* c9 S9 r* g0 v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; l2 ]" k2 G3 s; t8 I8 D
.............信耶穌... ...

8 A% O2 c1 p. O% ~) b" N7 z1 vRegarding the resurrection....
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; c7 Y1 e; [/ b) r4 r% M1 I: U- u  rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) y$ Q' f6 B, q1 {! I; }% o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.