Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  G9 t: `% A+ ]6 X% \1 S我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  R! _- V0 G+ K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 @* W1 g1 h! l( C道理我知道好多只係做吳到- p2 A* K0 K) y$ h( d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" w; h8 V) U* V0 m) a& K) cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 Y0 B1 n; m0 D' @* KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 N# {. b; w% j% ]' X6 I7 R. {  Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( }' J) ^/ ^( f2 j9 U; d8 Q1 [, n
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 B- A$ a" s0 \$ s6 _0 Q7 q; xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: w5 y7 m. n- I: L0 N/ T; |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 b3 q2 r& a+ X; V
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 m( Z+ N/ R6 I! Q3 l$ d8 X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- m8 b! V* \. C: {6 t3 P) {% G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 j" O' w( d! O; ~! {. m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" o) |+ L4 H9 i$ f- q6 a0 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." N( ]/ R1 M" q1 H8 C* f

2 J3 @( M3 R$ n9 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 u+ i1 |. ~2 B( Z" K0 k3 A0 ^4 O7 H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 j- Q# K; ~% g, l" Y% T3 ~$ c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 l) D. K8 W+ ~  O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# A! {/ Y8 v! Q; \3 H5 _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 w2 d4 y! o3 s* s6 c8 C
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it's starting because we have sins......) l+ g* {& d7 o- W6 |8 Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 G3 n9 O6 o3 m5 f& W, _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; O, F! b. w( l4 f6 y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" g" _' r4 ]- X! u9 @8 _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  c- ]0 p4 Q. T0 m* K& c) E# S, ^/ W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" w4 W. c8 U8 \, M: J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. `) I$ z4 e0 C* Y* F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( z& p1 T+ h+ ]( K

3 h8 w3 G5 V6 |6 \6 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 }0 G" a: J% S* I4 m1 i& X好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 Q; b4 D7 s" c$ y! A( J" V
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 v: Z/ E2 r* p; R- n& g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ G. x5 R) x# U* R/ }: ]; {! j( V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  P+ K5 Q& e& ?  @& K0 i4 y以下是其他人的見解,
7 M8 f; W: V0 r5 w- G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 d/ x6 D* m; ]0 p7 z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm' J) |* ~9 [) X; W5 l1 [' f* G8 ]
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 O5 O. _: U& w, r8 {

- T5 a. w- Q& i' h* Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ n! j9 G# H+ |" {- Q6 h

7 D/ E6 Z& N! z. M' d& g% D- f% [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 s: U! n/ w4 @8 P7 F7 c
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 p, C& v5 `! {( @! n, H
.............信耶穌... ...

1 k3 R+ ?# ?' v$ w! Z4 V% K2 PRegarding the resurrection....
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- Z" h1 O, \$ e/ j! [& D1 U  \: IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ _, V$ B9 p! Y2 o& k; S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.