Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 o, H* K3 {! q% W. `6 z% E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 l/ \" Y% ?* P& L- \: d/ t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; K% z1 I2 T- o- f: X, d- Y0 z# K( ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." O% n% ^  F3 d  @! x4 \- {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: M6 K' v$ s3 D8 i5 Y: j1 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 K: ?* w+ F) A3 b3 V7 e' t# u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' r- }8 b" K9 d/ M, g" L$ H9 X
真的!!這不是反話# }% B# N: o% F$ o
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 T% M! t! C. ^7 {" t8 `  w' ?6 n0 ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 D1 N- ^1 y2 L1 a7 ]1 j) ?9 `! `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 M- T  |( K8 c$ y/ t+ f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  U3 N$ Z5 b& t# v) }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, Z  E) x+ j1 W# t* M- z- ?What a statement we have here?* ~1 D8 n6 x' d4 l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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* M; @$ p( Q, P+ L( rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( \: @: N! I: s# z1 a$ v

! Y, {$ m9 `: j) _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: [" |. [( c/ I) O% E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 T* _" p1 U/ p8 j/ a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& d% [7 [9 F" i0 Y6 C$ ^+ aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 _7 M+ u+ s. f# A0 D, i1 `' S: _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ g, n4 m! B, L9 B! k) e, _$ o1 p, yit's starting because we have sins......
6 y, f; m$ q8 Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; B0 ~& `/ o. d6 aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( G4 O4 Z" v9 W2 z. p" i6 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 G, \8 g% o5 A& U5 x6 k
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! u. l) x7 p, w2 s; w  W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 E% H5 x* D7 r* {5 l( C. B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* P' ]8 D, h2 R' J) c: ^% z( T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" F# s8 j* m# {1 A9 A0 T( E
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 ]7 q" J: G: |+ b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( m; o: W" V3 r

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  o4 `  k) @% @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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# N$ `8 k  q$ x, ^, _5 zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.