Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- D3 D+ p8 A) x  L  S# z9 u; H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& A' p6 N  v- l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ u2 R8 t$ l0 Z& }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- ^( S% y" U0 U8 |) m  S* H3 o% c: U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& F$ C- E, ?6 z3 ?" B. VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' T& Q1 S) t: d" f

: S; h% R3 y2 E. s5 ]: sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' \8 N' B# E1 Y0 X" ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ [2 }! {" m) P1 a# z5 Z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. P; Y! E, n/ f- m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- b9 m- M. W: N5 ]' d8 p8 O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 H8 {" R0 \- v' J' _. \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! R* {5 E' t' m$ E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# t3 f6 D% l, E- y+ ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % m& v( L; R7 i% z. J% T4 }9 R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# n8 [/ z& K/ k- O' tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 @& V1 ?& p% e3 u6 s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 E, u! X3 \; f4 x8 d4 |0 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! b9 q5 [& `: l' v4 [! w  O"不信也沒損失"' Z7 [# i/ R/ e% @9 d7 ^- u9 w( M9 }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ b/ s& P3 c* b+ {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. [5 ?  }4 \! f7 lit's starting because we have sins......5 y8 Y6 `6 x1 F) z. g5 F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . t: h- [# z: H; \) p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 b) `) ^# ?0 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 b% v8 E& G5 g7 a! A( f; o  }如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& u. }. |2 H1 s. `# o6 J: y. U. P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 N& [% w- }* ^3 h: B& o, E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# z4 `% b, `! T5 h% |- w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' a! g/ I4 f% Z) W& H+ E! j: A% x( |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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8 B* a# f  R& J+ e8 ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ y8 j& U( |+ k; [- a
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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* ^6 B' f& l$ r8 L  v; s以下是其他人的見解,
8 L, w" e% J' H8 k6 q: E% c: r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. |% K' z5 B9 L$ y: Y& R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm- w% c( s. w4 R

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( q8 a4 W2 k) H

3 C$ H+ K) x% ?; E/ j+ q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 U4 P0 S' O/ x

6 i2 n- a& ]+ R+ r- |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ @: ]6 u/ w# f9 B, u1 u' q2 C

% o7 P0 n( ]+ ?- |8 O$ F0 \6 D  L1 g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# n* O. g) H5 q- J9 ]  e$ b, f; u

. L! z0 E( f3 X& N% ^2 i0 \  u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ x( v8 X" K  M; j
.............信耶穌... ...

7 S& z& Y$ g1 Y3 nRegarding the resurrection....
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4 J) Q) f! X, L+ b* n& EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 ?( }; q8 ?/ w0 f- z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.