Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 z+ p- f* y, r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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5 f; K3 E" l- X7 i; ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 P* r6 r- V( S1 ~! o2 N: |- I

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" V0 b) w' i+ Q' W+ |6 h# rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ s" Z4 U3 z1 ^6 ^3 X% q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 l/ p4 }& n7 e/ C! C4 ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# P5 f/ W0 J/ ?. o" Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 k  m0 g  U: a2 _' n8 e& f- L' q. u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% z6 f! Y$ Q9 {

8 e5 `' ^- t( i5 j" U2 {4 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., u. `1 l6 ]2 x

# ~! `% r' [6 i7 ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' t! p4 m& l3 D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 Z& M! Y# u* j1 ^3 `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  p4 F* _% r- ^# P; j- RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- R2 Z. y/ `# u. f' k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& g3 f+ e" \) @

2 _- e! ^& I2 iit's starting because we have sins......, N0 n  w& m. s: H5 c( r! m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! S" M$ D% |9 {, q, i
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 G" C4 q" o% S; g) L# w0 f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 d1 V- e* R5 H- f# g3 H! r: Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 ?7 d+ T# S/ r" z) d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( Z* J; v9 R, L1 d5 [' L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% W/ K0 P# i* G3 |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- o3 h( Y1 I# \& ]9 N& ^' U1 O  Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 f; P* U/ y3 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, q/ Y1 v* p4 U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 b1 @) g$ y. s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ r2 [; f, ?& z- S# e
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. M" h0 x, M- Z7 C
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 U& J" b- ~: l/ E5 o' u+ s3 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) X: _9 Z3 v: n7 D. N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ z  |4 o( t4 U1 Z5 j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. z. W' j( s# r( f5 K5 X; U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: w5 }& |3 g1 c0 s( ]* G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* M, y2 G5 x$ }( Y# g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ P3 w" V" _% m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 i& m& {, t( {" M/ LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.