Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. F% g2 Q6 h, D' `7 K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: w8 g% |+ W- o( O# m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 F) R; T( ]0 X8 t8 w# t道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: S9 B4 i/ M) j! M/ \呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 W7 v7 K, w- k* @

/ c; q8 b1 e- zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  n8 z0 L$ w# `* {2 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 n: k0 K3 z# ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 ~9 f9 l0 L& B9 _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 z. a* x; c4 m
真的!!這不是反話
' s! E( g- z0 R" V$ B5 J因為我是情感比理性強的人
  U0 g! l' S2 I0 O所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ O7 A) n, C/ h5 e/ t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 V; ?! V2 J7 c- d: U/ N) ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( V. E2 W. r9 k+ u! Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ E# `7 t& t* E) T' N8 a

6 N4 l, v/ [4 C: `9 NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # d6 b) ?( B( H2 T7 ?! \( M! ^( |

& X5 i! }6 M* @5 i( f$ Z# ~/ a! n: L% _. \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 H& @4 ~" S7 |- mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# N2 P8 k7 j0 {, w( N1 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% K; Z& A5 v. I2 U' P"不信也沒損失"
0 W3 P: a5 A; P9 v* Y  S2 o; LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( W! L6 x# H3 X2 Y) G9 Z7 r) c3 F) P; xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 y6 Z+ w3 d7 V6 F, @9 s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' X8 W: _1 J  ~9 o8 e7 D& f9 `/ eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 {+ q6 K9 }7 f8 w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 ]5 w/ F, E4 U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- z/ S$ M  a  z3 d6 a. Q  a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 F: c/ O) \8 @7 [+ A7 L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 B* _% s- d. ^而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; M; \5 p8 N+ q9 I  ?5 Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ @* A4 E7 F# i9 A( R( d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 ?2 V7 J% ^* Q' c6 Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ W) b' E# V4 y; u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* ~7 w4 r; F- o: l" W! {( j& D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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/ {# ?5 e4 G6 C% ~& w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, K  h. ?  R- q" y. I( r5 E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 c! P7 j5 j; _* K% C9 q4 Z( g
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以下是其他人的見解,7 |2 ?8 y0 n2 z6 _/ d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& ]3 V6 w5 ~* x$ r* [
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ D7 m/ y0 A4 v2 `- w+ T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, g+ n5 I6 E% q+ q5 `% H5 x

. ?; H9 {; h" X2 D- M( F+ Z) x; r不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- f2 X6 n/ @" T5 J7 i) x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; @  F- K9 D  V( X/ a- ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* _6 B4 B7 `* k
.............信耶穌... ...

0 v/ w6 W: p, m2 W. B- uRegarding the resurrection..... B; s! Y" B5 T7 I' T
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ N) ?7 L% F" nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.