Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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0 \% F* s( N8 j" d( k$ i( N& y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: S* y: g2 w% x+ B道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* d1 c8 d- |4 b) I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 m% u+ H/ [7 G0 Z; o; ?

# g& s, V' B/ v% j' mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ B5 P1 _+ z* O6 q) n. S/ zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
: h' N" b9 w, O0 |因為我是情感比理性強的人1 \( F; g. f- l; D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 r1 {3 k) W: x3 k6 F4 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 B, F8 y- I) N' N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: @% b2 q* e+ E, `6 F' v9 Z8 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 \1 n! a( @+ U- k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. a8 m$ S; N2 V& }5 V" O, PWhat a statement we have here?  p, `' s4 X0 L

$ \7 u# b. S9 T- a5 R$ h) m) H+ wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % J# T9 R$ G' q; H$ L
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ m; Q6 U5 |2 `/ S- N: f

1 d) J$ l) q, J% z+ S7 x& }' ~7 uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& C( X' l+ h) s& d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 W: C% \5 Q8 J+ u, }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' e/ D( _; ]- ^( Q/ |- U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ?) D1 u! R9 W: G
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it's starting because we have sins......
; ~8 P6 t2 b: Q1 g/ Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' a2 d0 u; x! d7 G2 Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", _8 N6 ^- H% B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 {* U* K4 p% A3 M( n$ s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," V2 c3 L; {! x5 ~8 O8 y" V! V  a% T) l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. f. w  Y0 j+ w& i6 H! h) x" Z* p; U. t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 r8 P- e* E0 T# G8 E- D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% N7 ~( G) {: M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. i) @3 ]# l; I) v- N3 h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- ~, U* V$ U2 K1 G/ {- ]* [

" M  b, k8 v2 B1 A! U8 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# r" F) L) C3 H, V: @" [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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; f4 J0 R/ S# V, @) A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 T3 f% E4 o0 I$ e- }" Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( D9 E, O, H9 {  i9 p/ Y# x9 r$ w1 e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ A* q8 E3 ~. ^8 J1 K: b6 p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% o+ S0 ~( R. _* T& O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% u; Q/ p% p9 O! _1 Z.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) ^6 X. v; V, W( s. {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 Z2 G  {5 e1 t* K; P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.