Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 U; J3 ~8 Y" I' k3 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" U1 E) h3 ^+ o  N& k. ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 G7 m/ R3 d- @# o6 ~; B: v& m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* q) O5 D6 F% k: F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 `5 r8 c2 e+ ~3 B0 z1 m) W1 h1 q  X
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# R7 |; l) b- vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! W+ y. U9 I# K2 E& h4 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, X" g" X( K! i2 f. Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 p: s; s# r4 O6 W; N& V& b; v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( t& V- C1 X1 Q% w真的!!這不是反話+ [! r3 o0 Q( V& ]; _' E' f( w) D. @
因為我是情感比理性強的人' S! J& Q" Q1 A  i7 |- X: U' A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 Z* M0 ]9 K. O) `+ p! _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 l- X6 |5 ~. K( L. X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ {, g. s+ x* r1 g) t* ^: F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ G& k, X$ ]% ~5 o4 L& V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 J1 M8 ]( J. E* W. f8 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( [9 Q8 T/ r# G9 A$ @

* W5 y: X/ V2 TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, x1 V" }4 Q2 u. v, r& I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- k$ O- B5 n* {2 G- R; w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' e  ~. q+ e8 Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# G  s/ k% Y' }; P4 \. V% y

" V8 F* b3 e' O  \+ D0 Zit's starting because we have sins......- @$ Z) f- B% a; T: ]% _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 ?, _( W7 H+ K+ Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," g. ^; S' q" B7 W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" w* M, g  G$ r4 a& W* ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 a. e% H5 u$ }4 L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 f. \4 T* Q9 e; ?2 n! J$ l! l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 }. D5 m; @! f! z$ w" d9 n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( a% v/ l' |7 _: K: V# V' e  q# m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 l# N' a9 c% r, H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- S  }3 ~, a; s/ X7 S' o宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: R% j6 R" |  f2 P9 V0 @- V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( ?# D5 n% U- P: [4 |" f/ d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! B  [3 Y& ]. I5 Z, i: y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 |6 G; _  [9 N8 C. J. r5 n- E
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 u; R6 T# H3 A/ X( r* @" f2 w0 N  }: x

. Q$ {- [  o* @, ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" ~  G+ f' n6 T0 f; q3 m; Q3 U8 C# S* S1 s: Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- p  a$ ~* l8 D9 t1 T9 R
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 n- [) }+ e) N- h9 `) c6 @
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  f/ M: S! J4 c! X& j+ j7 W/ ]/ ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.