Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 g5 Q7 ^9 K% i3 q( c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# W5 M# h0 N3 [% Q* X* g* h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# U9 B( W- Y5 E0 T, T- j

% L" B; T$ `' u, ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: Z1 f8 ~& r% _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ H, {" _* L- L( G2 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& a+ h: M6 F" ?/ Z4 [8 D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& Q& |. w7 ~( h2 B: M. \真的!!這不是反話
# Y5 h; B- C, K) R8 m6 {因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: F' A; m) M2 [! R( t/ j2 b0 w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ R) U& J- G/ W3 M% M" J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( }/ ]& w9 R. L+ Z" {' _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' a; P* d( ]! V/ {6 mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 \: j$ g7 H  Q& K6 [9 S  i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
: Q. }- y* _; N* R! i4 l, l8 ?% C/ hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ n# k8 U/ O6 t# ^! x$ Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ _* F0 d3 G! v6 Y1 z7 x% x  O
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it's starting because we have sins......8 ]( c$ k0 K2 M7 G$ l8 t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 ^( Y3 D& u& f6 o& I& Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 B- I+ i  _0 @. s# a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' C( i% `8 E' W: j4 [. S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) o$ P. Z, }7 ]% }; {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 q8 o3 d8 A5 A! |& g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 V4 |- P, y" X8 @& S2 P' n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) ~* u) f# \$ o1 s  u

( b' ~% H9 o3 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, f) s" e' |* a' g  H6 k2 D2 G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 U: @; `: H+ Z4 r8 ~  \

# G2 F. z! G1 C# G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 X' L/ b/ J! T' ?: a& X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 j+ Y2 f9 c$ t- S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 [8 C! }8 c# I: Y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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  |8 }+ D+ k$ h: R以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: K1 @; y# w1 v' F7 l

* d/ |5 R$ ?' m8 h& `$ I7 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" c3 n! C% l) V3 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: R( G/ }3 b5 V8 q) Y, V* L
.............信耶穌... ...

/ l3 g# K% {1 g. S/ eRegarding the resurrection..... n1 W- o! J- H
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.