Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ P$ ^! g1 v; g我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 D) U9 f- u; A% [% D+ n" K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 O) |. M0 |  C3 q! \道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: V, P' m. K' G. u呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 f( [6 o& W# I0 a( I/ l$ j

  }  q' w/ @0 p) e; ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( `3 R7 D: @+ o0 h5 T" cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; m+ W: F4 b7 i( N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 q2 Y+ _- z# K7 B% P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人. r& o# n: ?+ B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 e& q6 o- y. P: p( t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 K) G5 y+ x9 N2 T" L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! f# @- c5 n9 P/ d1 V; ?3 m% D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 ~, ?  ]+ }, s9 {4 d, v! s" {9 lWhat a statement we have here?0 u1 M+ r3 V) ]9 D) w6 _8 y, _

" k9 S1 w0 Q% S, W* M7 ?" \# JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 Q# e. z% s5 `5 \  U4 I2 z' f

7 u& [+ c) h/ c( U9 a5 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# T- e; ~0 x5 {3 E0 J6 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& }, O/ O- D0 Q# m9 RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' P2 p& C& Z" P, qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 k7 s- L5 S4 C& L' g

$ L9 V. p: g. L$ kit's starting because we have sins......
' y/ ?) U. n: L3 G+ _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 ?1 K% b/ b+ o3 [7 B8 [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; F5 k8 B7 X$ K; v+ c: [4 L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ K6 j' b. W. R  h& A$ o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," s8 f' t5 E9 J0 F+ n( }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. Z3 i5 l! }3 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 A+ i4 _) P- @" F0 \+ G" _! @; s0 e- q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) d' `9 {/ T4 U) E/ ~' M5 A$ v9 o

5 {  c+ u  f$ Y  L' {  I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! [9 d$ c+ {8 o5 b  [, I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 w8 h# K3 H; |; X6 p; ]( ?1 B
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: i9 i6 w1 E, q( h

9 [9 B6 z/ @" y, V+ b% ~' o宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 p; ?/ s3 ?5 F5 i# g6 L0 q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 W$ i. T: [" Y/ u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& p+ |7 D) K8 W5 c0 s  u

0 @% Q" o& s9 `: a, a以下是其他人的見解,# e8 X8 U, r2 ]- P5 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: r0 c+ Q$ }2 w5 [5 m" K$ l
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ H" @! s6 c2 l1 }5 K& d/ \- X. O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 N# s& V9 D6 E. u) M7 D1 z; c2 @
.............信耶穌... ...

+ Z) A* I+ X& s9 A4 \4 X8 NRegarding the resurrection..... ^, ^8 j' p: h; o
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ g0 l" D$ Y" A  o

( n% q0 ]+ l9 G) E3 Z7 r7 mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.