Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 V6 W6 T0 |& ^4 c5 q  |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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4 W' y0 @! W1 P( _1 A道理我知道好多只係做吳到* u- Y8 n) }- D, n8 C; Z1 V' a3 }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ Y; l0 A5 Y3 i$ n# H) @* zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# X4 @1 E1 E( o0 E  e' x% E7 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ Y. C1 }) N0 V# U# \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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+ ]6 e/ I  J2 v  h: n6 i3 j: V所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ K# f  d% \6 F1 H' [# ~% G* j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' W5 l0 u# D/ L" W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 b6 u0 E$ \% C/ ?  E: o' x; d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: \+ r* ?( u8 b! wWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 h( b/ Z' K$ w  b& z! [

. |9 B) a; k0 ]; yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 F; H- B. v4 P  t# n% u

0 l* l3 c1 r& }+ R- [  E2 |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% J8 G3 O' [$ L: N* F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  c; A9 @" D4 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* V  x$ p. H4 o; ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ e2 j9 I9 a+ C- V/ s
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 ^$ C0 ~$ y! N2 m- W1 \- {1 ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, R7 I. q# T! v- J$ d, T6 w$ m( U* B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 K6 I5 U6 W! m) \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ |& n  k( c4 C3 ~8 k. J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: f4 n2 r; S9 @' e. d( P( w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: e3 @3 \( y4 Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, u! k' c! r7 d1 k2 E
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 @; ?; w' Q6 R( u  J7 N- m: N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& F& b% j" G8 J0 G6 c; C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ k! N' t) F" l0 C8 W8 U9 A

3 C( F% s* `; T; |8 U8 c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" t7 u7 ~# R: w- K3 C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* d/ i7 f9 O, h5 g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' F: `- @6 ^8 O' X7 X- a

& ~# q4 N9 o8 o2 f以下是其他人的見解,) S- x* P! a* x7 H  v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: L+ s) m- T. L& W3 w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 G6 @+ L: L$ L* [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 j8 a: [# o: k# v. K0 D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# k) T- r  {) M. p: U) M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 Y) K5 A7 l# N/ w
.............信耶穌... ...

% c. \2 C- H/ D1 i- ?Regarding the resurrection....$ p5 s3 `; Z# P/ L0 x1 B5 m

; r- P  |8 f3 tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. Q8 ~, Q, `/ H' A' OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.