Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 X  L- J: {0 v! t: C/ g$ ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 Q- b6 G: e3 a0 }, B( D  n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: ?9 g: y) T8 X/ ]1 I6 u$ z9 {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' k% i' {* J  t* q4 `) L. RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  F. I% M# i$ _* D$ V) C" w2 J
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! Y2 P0 J* t" M( N( \- z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ u$ X. y- M7 q6 [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# y: D5 g% c4 \, Y/ Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................; s+ L, G) |2 k1 B. z* z8 I
真的!!這不是反話* }8 H8 p/ y: o4 w/ ?$ d
因為我是情感比理性強的人* m" T+ `0 }' g7 n3 e: c( V9 d+ R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 K5 n, P/ T' ~1 \" D* b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: P) P1 _1 S3 U% h6 N; a* @3 q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  I% @& g. ?" z" ?4 j+ R7 m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& D7 u( `9 B! o- s2 ]4 q( b0 o( R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 Y) z9 s0 ]% c0 \9 X  d

9 r  Q; k1 w0 W/ I7 b& mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) q/ r" m8 s4 c; N/ N+ D/ _( h4 L% L8 XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 C( f. J4 k1 k% O1 z( \9 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" F5 S1 C, d) P4 a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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! x+ i0 E3 ~) n9 W5 g6 J$ Mit's starting because we have sins......
* E0 U0 p  B1 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- P2 Z2 d2 Y3 B0 @9 ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& B* z% p  U$ |4 X9 \) \& p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  W) ?. u# z# Z7 e  R! F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ D+ X' _' _7 B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# j% I1 r; b2 K6 v/ |% ?" b8 U5 g) o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
  T- U8 y* `/ N+ Q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
$ y3 F" C0 H" ]http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( k. v0 M. \% V# \( |$ V' n$ Q9 _  s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& z2 Z0 R, H4 _, i2 C4 |8 q7 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 V$ [. D+ c8 W* r0 s  W8 y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) }0 X% Q2 V- G: k# b
.............信耶穌... ...

  X$ h4 T  A5 j4 l$ s7 v, XRegarding the resurrection....% \; l$ p  ^1 b: m; Y- j" n; C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ T# A& A, b2 i% K2 b1 b/ C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.