Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ p/ Y! J, O1 B; q3 U8 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  u3 c& D: p* N

: |- T" h% p4 i& V* x, ~3 \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# L  h* l1 H" p! f( q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& x4 H" y" r! S& ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 G$ I6 p, X0 v8 G8 C6 W. X( H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 L, \$ l6 ?! C+ U1 E2 g5 P' s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ E7 o6 U" y. g- v- r! K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! u* [5 z, f& p, `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 U! ~% H: J/ @3 oWhat a statement we have here?% d5 Y3 u2 @$ i- }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 i5 E. [6 W: F% j

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' e, E- O8 m: ]6 v& q5 u7 v: q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) o6 N- E2 S+ s* q+ D! T"不信也沒損失"
' b* ]8 d1 u* N7 i- O8 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 ~! E% s; K5 A3 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ l3 Q8 t5 P) D) p$ p9 _6 i- O% f
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it's starting because we have sins......3 B! C8 z/ P% S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / M9 b& ^1 V7 b/ H/ C8 x4 D* i$ q* V: k& G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  @. W/ ~5 Z! e! p) }* B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! e3 a, G6 J9 U! ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; F1 A/ V0 m! U) X$ P3 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% O6 c0 @# g! J9 f1 U; H7 Y" ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# Q8 x3 ~" P, c: B$ N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 |, i7 e* E$ ]( h7 G+ G
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: f, n- G& X9 W$ {1 n3 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具" y% X$ k1 y, V4 e3 [4 n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 K5 o' q$ M6 S! p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 G" ~. g6 g) ]& Y6 m- h& b9 h! s
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 _9 \  n2 p6 H( `
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ Y- N! P: s" P% f5 l: V/ }7 k7 ?

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: z9 ^2 y  [2 E, t6 u) a/ P

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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! P3 L$ M' z* t: XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.