Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; ]  L4 L' x! T0 d我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 L3 n6 m, Y# k' C/ s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 z# y' ]0 N0 u9 {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 r$ N: P5 h7 G  J

7 ~% V" \0 f. B( ]  a5 sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ H6 V7 B* ^. M2 y  |

5 ~& u- Z( |3 Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, u  O0 Y' c/ e2 G% ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 b; b) D/ j/ q: t我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ c0 y. ]: L' ?$ S+ q8 k
真的!!這不是反話# c) g" k/ W, v6 ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 O$ y+ F3 I5 u1 o# |( ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, i7 g% S0 @2 `! k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 N; A' C( t$ [7 |" O9 ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  m: Z$ n) ~$ C$ H5 h7 Q6 Z* J& l) d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- x" n+ \6 l& R# \; s- B) o) g/ aWhat a statement we have here?* C1 a' o; }: R8 ?/ ~7 {% i

2 O6 C2 p. T# X0 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' H- y! O& e$ k4 Z1 [3 T( l  k# p* w9 FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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; j& I  s9 L% R* n[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# {$ l* m; e, q. v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 e0 x1 j, G- K4 Q"不信也沒損失"
) K7 ]5 N' M+ ?. E$ [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# [+ L1 m- T* T9 K3 t; Q4 p4 M2 ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ n* s8 ?6 b, g& L/ j" n

& ^' m6 B& o% x7 i+ g7 P9 X7 U, `it's starting because we have sins......4 }: y  B( F& L5 r) N2 S9 ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 Y' J8 Q6 e) g! s- g* d8 W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; o4 d$ K* s+ L! ^) e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 b) E, u, }# ]8 }  B( |% D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; _5 V. v1 Z8 E4 ?! e/ a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," a" h4 |- B/ \5 f7 u7 T" R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) n8 \' w9 s$ W% O

% [7 A/ U5 o- ~0 {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 p* _4 Y# ], c0 n' F  O# Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  V3 r% x7 W8 X3 N5 k' u

5 O- {1 [9 J- X% P" [0 v) ?7 i! Z& x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- s; }2 q' a/ X& y6 K/ Z( M6 X' u改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: f: a2 p" f  y8 z: i美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 w9 b% k9 S7 v: E$ D5 D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 L( C+ f# H+ Q+ H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 {, W) k- F% u3 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 t# h) m7 ^5 G+ b3 ]4 |' v& @

+ z) d& e: |, {6 s2 `/ s5 D& x以下是其他人的見解,! E8 v: T- n9 S: t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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" l* q+ I: ^! M2 E* e[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  F) b: i1 @5 t) a2 U  `

5 x: p/ a  b$ U. H( R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, G! e! w* r; Y; T
.............信耶穌... ...

: v3 n6 k8 W+ iRegarding the resurrection....8 x8 w+ v2 V- d3 [  P
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 @! g& ^  V' X7 B0 `( F; N
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.