Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ Z6 c% m- m8 t; s9 Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) q; [* A3 B4 h, @, K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 u/ j1 O# Y5 k3 D! k! V# t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 @' F( T9 u; G! J! {- B
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 {7 a8 T5 Z' ~5 E( PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 H: p& K% T2 G* U3 b. E

0 x, |  c: m7 a6 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' N$ Z+ H! L: H; M( l) A
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) |4 a" |7 ~6 v% {% q8 pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 {5 o' n& Z* Z4 W/ y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 [$ U3 Q7 s% ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 L4 S! C. v* J1 }真的!!這不是反話
0 i( ?& }9 |% U- s因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 W  v8 s" K" m% p" i( s3 t' ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& j5 \7 W' }6 H, M# k: [/ q6 v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 {7 ~* y- ]0 O, |* R, j! a2 p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% o+ I8 W, K" F$ m" r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ l( r1 w  H* Z8 K' c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 M5 a  c# _  `. O' v! _# Q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : }1 Z& e) c# x- I

1 r' l6 @, [0 c6 i+ m% ?4 JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ k8 l% T- L0 |4 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& y& ~$ r% u4 ], g"不信也沒損失"+ ~) S  B" z( H5 y# `
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* S- V7 C3 W" K. l, T' Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 [# u- Z6 F1 U5 e  e+ jit's starting because we have sins......" D1 H: c8 d+ Y  G  V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& g4 ?. k6 E) E! U# c! t! i) gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". g; T. Q* V( f- X  W5 t+ d0 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 B8 K: V- T5 ~  f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ g* ]8 S4 C; g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 `& w* o. \; N& Q; W$ t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ @$ \+ }5 c/ K# ]7 F' Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 X/ w: n3 W' M/ c

2 h! q1 `% M2 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; M  L" H) {4 ~8 Y5 B4 K% T# \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; i# r6 B$ N9 B  B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 T2 X% G; O# \1 a1 m# ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! r/ l! s8 ]' @/ ?2 o) n; k! d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% b' U$ }6 z( e# e7 O9 u9 h3 D; P
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: j& _  F' s; f0 j" L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ T8 K/ n9 q. X
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 ^* e6 ^- B  P* z7 a8 x

9 X4 U9 D9 k1 r, w& j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 g' x) Z1 x) ?/ ?" S" n) b

# m/ C: S0 d' c: f% `8 R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( @: u. f( ?7 b.............信耶穌... ...

6 A6 O& l" E/ d4 |* hRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 ]; ]/ o' u4 I# f7 r! @6 dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.