Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 y2 }3 @' `* N' G3 R4 m& X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 O7 s( E6 j4 G; P又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* Y2 a, c( g3 R* }0 _
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ e1 p! V: [' J: ]1 `

/ _6 T* ]% b: P) @- l" oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& ], t, d6 x; Y, L: q; Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 b( p& s8 h6 Z( ?$ d, Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 }# _  v& V! {5 s我只不過微小的基督徒...................* m& o( d, r. a3 ~- p( v  k
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ l2 F6 q2 r) ~+ Q, g$ g0 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ d$ u5 y4 ]9 V$ b( }0 `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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( P# l; h* L( lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 y* p& s! e; [6 a" O, V

" k( k. z. }! ?9 L% F! XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* g! |6 N$ d4 @2 E2 ]/ M1 [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: ]  V2 J0 H: z8 K+ c+ P" V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% o8 _% R* W- |& \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 q/ b2 l) U2 ]6 M! m% Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: i7 M( Q$ ?3 C8 \# I; B5 Pit's starting because we have sins......
& I6 E0 ?; F6 X: G/ B& I2 n, `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 N3 U: k+ Q& y% dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. [$ K3 S8 h# J& a( L. z% |只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" a9 p( V' A0 v7 J! J; p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( d4 s4 j" y3 e) P& H  \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ x8 m7 a0 m4 E4 N- ^8 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% [0 H3 H& }' I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," ?7 Q; C2 P- o( s$ k; \9 K5 X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: d$ |  O& G+ R5 j. l. o: Q. [. t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ g+ _, O5 E, U: ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) H4 n" [0 [" l$ _
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. L3 U/ n, m4 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! q9 M: n! X! i9 c' O; l; @1 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, @' z! O0 N. W' N6 {) y2 d! a
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* F3 F' W: C) r( l8 o0 s( X

6 K+ Z/ h7 b* A) b+ l1 E& H7 E- y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 Q4 R& ?. I' }3 B+ U

( g* f' E0 g" v% U) X$ D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, \' t+ r4 K9 o7 ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( e$ u/ B4 V$ j: e) v0 s6 y% o
.............信耶穌... ...

3 }/ F) f7 @. ^Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& N6 U9 G0 E$ v) FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.