Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 }  m% q4 w, c4 Y# [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 g. \: w( X+ K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 Y# r5 N# L" E0 D  @4 g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 k3 }  g# P& [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 p2 P( X& B; y/ a- R9 b+ Q8 Z8 Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  t- W' d) {$ m" Y1 G我只不過微小的基督徒...................% ^' g' J8 U7 y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; f3 S& C) }0 k" w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; d& C- y0 w  @6 A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  T! W$ z. a6 {9 Y3 d! P* n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( N, D, o$ E& U0 B) p5 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 [1 _1 o4 f6 o4 o* }* d5 GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* \1 p9 E- d/ X

& R4 P* U/ i7 b+ M- _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; y- x2 n  W& D! r) H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 W9 T# s- o# w' o; W& I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 q( w; A: a8 \. y- e0 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 M. n+ l  c6 ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( k1 n1 Q" b4 {+ hit's starting because we have sins......4 d2 v% w! Y# V( k: S, u, ]( u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - C# E# ]+ ?( ~2 Y4 t1 G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ G9 M+ v$ U: Y. d" @+ ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% T" t# l! `8 U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ y! u$ l* G) o* Q& {0 L5 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" W3 K2 ^) W; [( R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 R6 c5 k0 {3 r1 ?" M" a( T7 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! M% A/ b+ A; t, V5 S% u

0 m4 r: o' q: n( {" s& i$ H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 x" Q, l' G; T. g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* m& j- x/ U7 X5 J6 k# M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! r5 G+ g2 `9 p( G$ p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' i  D) C6 E$ `$ K; o# D  Q, W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ @' {3 {9 o8 |
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以下是其他人的見解,+ z, W: I: v% t5 S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, t7 Y6 c8 y' B( k. w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% g+ U. y9 n3 e6 r

2 f% C0 }( D. R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. c: q# e/ j1 E0 U
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 ~# C% c: B# g! x: F6 x.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 D# k; }( ?0 z6 @! h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.