Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& i( r# o* ^3 V8 N- D" w1 A7 }8 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ h# g" x4 r0 P& ]6 w% O! F2 T4 |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) J3 c0 I4 h  M  r5 K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! Q4 e; A; q$ {3 C1 w3 a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- C8 J: H" ~+ k; L: ~- Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 @1 s5 s6 ]' r7 ?0 V4 |; r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 w- L( \, \& H; `- `% Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: Y( t# s- U( A. d2 ^! Y* |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& x3 [* u# ~0 U& ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 _5 N) P. y- P4 i7 h9 Y! j) ?9 m" X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 b" Q$ z: D3 U2 Q- Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) O% _$ w+ O1 K+ ~# _, a' s

2 y% |6 f3 I; c5 E7 {! fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: G" C' t4 b6 J" B) s5 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. C- B( U" U8 n0 a& ?5 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 Q* }* D3 s7 X
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* g5 e8 J5 Y3 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' m0 z$ }+ `: `"不信也沒損失"9 W. Z# h$ g! z3 N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......  c0 r/ k+ ~$ T( O% N$ d- t$ a! k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 a5 `1 V1 P! m5 ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 h6 H' t# L! s* K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," Q0 ~' ?" e- i4 V  L# f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: r3 I- M, y8 E0 c8 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 l3 v! h, a: d5 S) q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ q3 L/ j6 a& u! P

/ `" q* o( C5 C, k+ x7 u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, e" N/ _8 h. |2 e! H2 v7 V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 X" R1 E8 a0 M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... |) L) e0 }3 z  r. L* q/ }* w5 l
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 ]& x4 V# W0 g/ Z: h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ ]2 W  g' G1 c7 i) ]3 u% l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 _: o% Q% u+ s) a, F  B: f/ T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' Z8 l% ]: ~2 a% D$ u1 g& m

- Y" m7 G/ A! jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.