Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) I- I4 J& J' |2 K& b( A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% H# @$ K1 d  B" l3 Z

! g# o! q  |1 w: @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 ^* {3 J9 N6 S7 d' d, f# F) M& a7 O+ \

! L5 K& K2 Z# e* ]7 Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( \/ P" I; B' u( R& i, m" ^5 t& `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, y  Y! R) O" |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 [2 h9 x' h3 A( ~! e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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! |, A' ]' o; @0 E! P6 g: H因為我是情感比理性強的人# L) k1 c+ g: D0 P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& `, l! d# F- h- S9 ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 c) _- p0 w! s* s7 K' \' c+ M
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: V4 h% W% L1 K8 g0 T6 N; C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?: c$ Q( ^8 `% C! t0 E" Q

' \; g$ h+ Z7 VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% U  d( m0 |6 X( M' L' B5 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ F  Y: ?$ D; j: w

* W( x2 C+ u' ]' c. OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ E; L; ^; }! N' g' E  i
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 {* S/ e7 L) J6 K! J2 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ i/ x3 D8 H( ^1 m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ a: m! [. V% l$ abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  ]5 s+ U# r& r# ~% h; J

; ^1 Z3 s+ T8 A$ rit's starting because we have sins......1 t5 n7 D8 O0 h. V7 z2 j. F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 N1 g. [  V0 C! i& D* ^* g8 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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* T8 Z0 x9 K8 L% r2 \5 k3 X% N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; t- n- E! b2 A( G9 O
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 w! H5 S) i5 a+ f# N7 C, ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ N. K1 \' i* F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" h* y# K2 L3 C! Q- S9 a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 @! U. e6 e1 U! e  u# y8 c  S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 m$ ]2 G/ z9 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ ?% m3 r* G* K
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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: s/ A, R3 \& M( K以下是其他人的見解," u; c% c% h' r1 Q" u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 O# w$ |, x/ \, b
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  |, S- r1 K* k
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. H5 L8 r5 }( N6 m' M: c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 Z8 m. R6 g, P$ J0 u  f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 z& f% j& g* ]  ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 ]% }' C1 @8 f% t6 z( N8 g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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4 T3 ^" E) s2 N( GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., \6 |- `3 p  R- q8 _/ ]

$ ^1 O- g$ Z- \( D" L5 dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.