Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ Z- F  |8 V& V8 N( n7 j& j" h  r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: P& N: s" r" T6 C) {# E

' w/ f  r7 c% Q/ \3 @6 ~5 O* |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  [3 n. A9 k. d# w; _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ }4 _& P+ j/ h/ ^0 C% Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( Q( K/ C+ v& P
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 ?2 i: C0 `0 `* ]. Y: d; P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& d1 j/ ?0 l" ?" S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ D, w/ ?) ?1 H5 R  Z6 P+ i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 z* @# |9 q5 V  `What a statement we have here?
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1 [* k- `. z, KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 [  A5 ~. T# Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  M% n$ d/ a$ R0 x; s. K9 x& \" z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ B( C5 ?3 m/ t, V6 X"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! @6 e$ I% o9 W7 y

/ l! I$ M; s- ?it's starting because we have sins......+ E8 {# C- O4 {: A5 ~3 V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! C3 M/ a: |# Q- U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( C7 }& d$ C2 T+ `/ @
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 O" C7 r% g- q5 V, D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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以下是其他人的見解,0 S! R' x1 ]8 K$ m4 s- _. v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- @8 w) k6 D% X( I
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* n0 I& w8 f! e0 A
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  u+ D  U1 n- W1 g2 n

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 o/ K% a" X' a. J' W- W.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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% |: V  A4 h) \9 p0 LActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.