Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ q; t% v" p9 W4 s* A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 c( t# v# n( C/ X0 W3 W6 eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 ]: @" b3 B0 bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' ^- y0 g( Z' g$ b# [) @* ]. A) \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 j, ^9 S- m+ O1 S/ a7 }- Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# b# d4 y6 l! ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  C6 I9 j5 S9 s; [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # i# p% v* ]" D) j5 E7 W8 l+ b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ x0 ?+ _- F, j! TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 }1 T6 M! A5 s/ O* p

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 r/ W3 O( d' D( y+ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 A# ^- v' g! _" b+ k+ QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 P8 K9 C5 X8 Z% h6 ?% a# P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ t1 _1 e2 \6 g+ }3 X+ J* z

* x% A& v+ U$ x& Z# {it's starting because we have sins......9 W' @- I2 U7 o3 D+ s* E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 f2 m6 e' g, G$ i6 h0 c; [; H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& o; Y4 H  s# g7 ^+ f1 E: K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," z0 R9 q% V: ^& O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 N$ A4 F; w- Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 H) w1 g, E8 J, L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* y! L+ G% ^# w; d# ?0 t( ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; K& E2 C( f  }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! j' u+ u# H8 |+ \! n: U+ t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 O" W  x8 ?1 f! s8 _% }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* j) a4 Y% x9 P/ r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 h9 h$ H- U7 ^' G8 J1 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# {. c% F( N. Q1 |  d以下是其他人的見解,1 H7 Y3 W2 ~9 K5 j/ X1 B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ s2 ~. ~) C1 G( J. o# O8 u; Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 w" t) g  r1 C8 o# Z' i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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" y& E, Q$ p* AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.