Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% t7 p6 d" I$ b0 m0 L4 ^
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# S: g. l. @/ K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ w. w" v) \# l. a- ]( e% ?$ d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% ~( Q8 x; J+ V7 T% Q3 o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 I7 G& z/ Y3 T, E1 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人7 r/ W$ x1 o4 _3 [: k# V' x4 j, g) c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ U# z1 p8 |/ k6 ~1 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' e" `. ^' l3 t6 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ W  e/ V( ~3 r& g/ x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?1 b, b& }4 N2 u! U; @
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 a  h6 B: R) {4 h4 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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& z: C: F7 x! u& E0 b! n7 U& o"不信也沒損失"
" v5 H6 v, ]+ q- S+ z* S8 I5 dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 g' @; }; F) x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 l1 D$ h$ f2 W  w  G7 E2 |
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". Y5 z, b3 R2 D7 A" {$ _5 `% a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% |; \  t; |7 p: |# Q  d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( i+ ^6 g+ K. V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) C- ]5 Y/ x9 O8 [# v; {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 B+ J# Q" C+ h3 U1 W+ w

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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# \2 I% J; }3 i5 ~
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4 _# g5 C* X1 O  I% g% H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ T( S* Y8 ^3 I' }4 n0 j+ j5 K  f* l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; Y+ n: @, y2 d% @9 A9 _以下是其他人的見解,7 |- `6 R! R, d( X, x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: M9 n1 ?3 z( ~5 e  U9 q7 J& y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ k9 q9 Q9 g9 i4 Q: e' W. _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  g- b( R0 {! P" @* M
.............信耶穌... ...

' }- G& W% G% HRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.