Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( P' d9 }8 Q) k我係一個連自己都吳信的人. t! H9 {5 y2 x+ D4 r, O( i$ e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 o# B) }! L8 L" }/ J! |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! K. N7 \9 E6 w# O, h7 i" v

2 m4 J  I& U( |; ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) r* p3 I- i6 C
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 p& s) i' c) h+ R8 X5 x! lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% t9 G+ s" m) _$ L) t6 q. |我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 e4 c2 O+ i$ d$ W' S  K/ R
真的!!這不是反話
& i1 U" n8 V: C+ w! c因為我是情感比理性強的人
/ M2 |. ]; r* v6 B1 S. t, \4 y' w所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 X" @7 P9 l% O; t9 }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 g! B- y' k* u! G$ M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 e% Q; Q3 I, t7 [  }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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. h2 r. q4 u7 B8 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! }/ B& e% k" T& g3 _  h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ v: O6 \" S3 C& ^  `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; Z: j3 ~8 G- J6 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) m- [* h& E2 J% A) t6 W2 J4 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ ^; d  [' H4 G  i2 [  v3 r5 `1 G- i
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it's starting because we have sins......
# \* h* u2 T3 p6 h6 tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( F, D' B( R9 U, pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! e$ E4 t! ]" V  I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& ]8 t. K- n8 b+ i; ^, e6 o/ E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' D9 E) n1 X5 @; J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 _, Q' |. U; z4 O2 q. d# B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ X" A& W4 S- d, f0 A3 M+ A
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 G2 J( q4 d* O5 t  ]% C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% D; n+ f; @3 e2 c  {& p1 ?) \2 m

9 k0 L- U; p3 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% l) |1 t/ Z# }8 h. ~5 }: f3 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" e% U( }* D3 E/ s! P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 N" v4 C! M. j3 N

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, v4 l) ~3 c  N$ f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( M5 S$ `2 D( U" g) m  o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- y5 d+ |% r; Q0 n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 ~8 V8 {# C+ n' P* n% `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 m# t% D# B2 _" G# `& P

0 I' r; ~* P* U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 p- t# j/ D4 _3 k8 r( j0 U

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. B" [8 j& J$ R' b% T% P2 t
.............信耶穌... ...

3 [1 s5 c% h( A8 d: C0 _Regarding the resurrection....
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9 j/ C% f8 m4 h4 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 L- u/ U0 U" w/ Y7 x  ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.