Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; R3 N7 M, W6 \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ @. M: Y, T( ?9 i; R7 q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( T, e6 D! [4 T% k8 V1 @/ h) w% C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 s) N+ i7 }6 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& T+ f- x8 p8 y( u& R$ J

2 L, ]. Z  B" \4 V0 VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  t( \) ~. T8 c9 \2 T& o

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( W! x0 F8 F4 O+ c6 g8 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! o+ p& J" }& o3 b& _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( [1 P, d' }* Z2 u: j: k. F真的!!這不是反話
( }1 C1 H# Q, g% c因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 S* \9 }! r; a, R7 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* \. x2 _- w+ X+ _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) E* n) `) p( v6 g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% N+ }/ L9 V& }7 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& x( @. d2 t5 `- `2 d7 w9 b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 A. O. L" H  `5 n" p2 eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ ~9 P$ @3 @2 w6 F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& U3 K/ K& B" H: c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. _2 I( r+ o, ?0 t8 l# ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 I/ f  p' m  |; R' B. H( _9 D6 }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 d5 Z* A; {# u( ^% j0 |it's starting because we have sins......# F2 p9 h' i2 u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( B: @! g' ~# N& ?3 R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 f- ]; z8 r7 u4 ]" ^* V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, @/ y% D* w4 G* \1 u1 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; z" a+ f$ I8 x! S) r$ W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 T6 q8 d7 G6 L5 M4 R# C
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 k% ]& d, r+ y) o: i4 S- b+ M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ K* y$ J. |1 I3 A# m0 [; z$ T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' Q2 n/ v+ B3 t; g好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  T1 z" Y& q8 e
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' c2 _( M: |3 }' t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 z) k" `$ K" I! x- O0 ?6 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" P: |7 B' S, D* F- K8 k" h4 |3 T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, k9 S. m. C3 `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 ^; U9 M& J& n  t+ }" N* s6 i
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 P. h! E6 P4 B1 e2 Y

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- `- J6 x- J2 L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 F( A. a* g. F: n) O2 ?8 z; k
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.