Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* |0 a( u* f6 o4 P  k9 M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ a! X9 k' A* K7 Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( e8 _' U! b2 j2 m' s% s道理我知道好多只係做吳到& l$ l) [( d% {* s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% b7 ~0 o9 _1 _! H& q6 ^7 D9 M0 X

- \: ^& Y- I( L* [) @* ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  {3 r# g1 Y; ~% ^: s5 u9 I. `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; c: o( C- s; \% _- `$ ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................
/ @$ M9 N( |5 k# d! _真的!!這不是反話/ H, E2 m2 E- X9 d$ E+ p9 ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人: i9 k1 B, U1 I, a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 a% ~7 y5 o# {# g" t9 A2 `% X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 {: _1 a  S1 t8 z  S8 Z$ i; K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
2 j" x0 m6 E) c2 l4 B正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ C  U5 d1 t% t' g2 l/ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# r/ J/ k) \3 r! R8 b: F  m/ ZWhat a statement we have here?8 `' n; b* l: X7 j

2 T4 p; ^4 O# C: ]( N: {; FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 I, D4 }* B  s0 l! {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. h7 J$ T. o. Z1 ]/ t  {+ j
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ M9 p2 k* I0 U& |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ J& \' d7 J) E3 T, L0 w"不信也沒損失"
" n4 T4 s) C# o+ j  iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 @. T! q8 m0 p  S3 N9 ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ Q8 g6 @& y# w% Z2 \

) E+ T! R& c% b% ~, ]6 y; Xit's starting because we have sins......
' V. h& E- x% A' F& |: K: @% Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 R8 b, l+ c1 a- X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; o2 |$ U; v. ]! u1 g) I6 `- Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( E) z6 {! X* n3 ^% M8 Q$ D0 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," E, }, r7 i* n/ H' ?6 I7 G8 b' D' w6 @: p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ N& s" g# J2 S
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, @" @3 M+ g+ Q; J6 v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" B. j& @% A. z- [/ u& C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ I  o! {. _" |  m0 v/ d1 l8 n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# V3 X0 D$ U% G9 [2 @- Q3 M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* l! e# h- G7 N& |
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 i6 H# T% y3 f. i' Q; d9 U! x1 D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 q* f- N3 d- I1 @$ n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 h* j8 r5 h2 Q1 {6 g

; u" i% b4 k2 W# B以下是其他人的見解,
6 |/ }6 P& z, t9 c! C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 s* @5 b; D8 b2 _( c
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm. `( T' X( h% n5 [
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 K7 m$ o& o& g: w- J8 D3 Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& T3 t! r# M. B

4 Y, e: G- W# B; u0 B- j8 ?+ T$ t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' }/ t2 W, q4 B& N

" S0 C# l- h; m! z, R# T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 @  Z$ O  L& x.............信耶穌... ...

3 G7 O% l9 q/ v/ P: A/ o1 T, oRegarding the resurrection....# Z+ g# X7 U$ q  e! Y, a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ ^8 t$ J( @( C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.