Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" V: [0 E& t1 W3 v7 B1 q我係一個連自己都吳信的人( A- Q* s. w$ a, c6 S' [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: h0 j& _- B8 ^8 ^. F; ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到. Y0 ?9 H- i! x8 W# X6 t, n0 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ L- }  b. V$ hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 u" r$ d) U7 v% Z5 ~- G+ I1 b3 L

0 j& W# u9 _1 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ W: b" g% r: k, J- h( Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 D2 V- z  t# q  G. h1 `; @( P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! J% I) s7 y* {' a, L- O# J
真的!!這不是反話
( B- j& k/ I+ _因為我是情感比理性強的人  b3 b8 j6 m* E( M; d
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# Y' d! u0 J  g$ P6 M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 n/ c: }2 v3 t4 M* @# l; B; U) ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* ~8 Q4 \& @; }8 p5 Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- E( V6 ^) i& [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ D1 v7 E  q; F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: d5 \. z  `% }1 E
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......! [, b- z5 I& ?+ `5 t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 w# r$ u( j$ n/ |. x1 t
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 O' s0 Z- X9 ^4 A, h9 p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 h. X2 j( ?( P- B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 g; Z9 Y7 C; }2 f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- `6 S, W: I% S* }! g5 `" o6 W8 L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& \! s. e4 f7 L+ R$ o: u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 k* u" z  k. K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ k1 A' P* b8 _' v% ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 E3 }% d; E* r( i) ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  g# l6 p* B7 J2 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 N# F) K4 s2 i7 [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# a2 O8 P! b( G6 l
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, b% a0 k' e# t7 o" l/ G' Z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 i8 \3 \, B: ?4 q- Y' G& V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) N# o$ `6 p1 a0 Q% S
.............信耶穌... ...

- T- k$ b0 B" WRegarding the resurrection....- i3 c) {! }  g+ H3 h# a; b

. J! b# n' z# t6 Z6 V0 j5 \$ PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... X: x3 o; g8 D) E$ `1 s* o9 Z0 `

( Q! ^# \! [6 e6 Z( x$ xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.