Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* Y, Z. m$ X/ c: o* Z, E, E2 G+ y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% y$ c0 x* p1 ~# ?' P2 b9 l( v0 k$ Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ n, O, l7 O- h$ y- j  t# H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ s( M& g+ d, L% H, M

9 ~1 r* s  R# pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& Q5 V  x+ `. q: c  V+ h' N
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 a! m/ f' W1 d% K- Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ Z% b; ?- d& i9 b( l5 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# N7 |' W( X: q+ z; o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  @5 w, z% A0 o
真的!!這不是反話% K) Z+ z9 l+ A
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) h6 |* i0 s, \( o+ Z; e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# L- ]. g9 J$ @  P( K  D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! Z5 D: `0 |% r7 d% [/ C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ N: ~, r9 J$ Y8 u0 g3 Q1 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 r- c* u; c4 @Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) W8 V. u  B3 V& G

4 d1 x  X" [- Z6 |. w- @+ A" }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! `1 A4 ^# k& B' R0 P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 L# `% ?8 q- Y9 H) b# M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: f2 L5 Z. R- T0 n"不信也沒損失"
% b; c* W  H. G, v' oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) L1 R6 n5 E4 J0 T( _* u0 U% Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) v2 `5 `$ U7 u' z- d

$ o7 z9 H6 i. f3 Pit's starting because we have sins......0 g  e, \3 {, h( s9 Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 l, J/ J+ J2 a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 q, M9 ]8 N; e7 a, m" e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 \' L; @% o% V: S7 }, H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  M1 U5 b0 ~- `: _& `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 e2 w& I. S7 G$ t: X2 l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) }3 ~& I" n" l) w! W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ p* C+ v, j. E. V' R1 C9 Q# R2 z

9 D7 ]0 w' z; h- a+ l, {- E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! u& |$ q1 F* e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; d- a9 A2 c6 P1 t; `4 a# q. V9 C

7 _- W- j* V# I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ f1 s! Q/ P2 P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 M% \$ T: ~+ C5 R4 C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' l; Z/ ^+ H4 I4 f6 ?8 e. v8 ~
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 N: ~  P/ q/ g9 w5 o, x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* a3 d- j* ^: z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* @! ?6 T+ W$ N
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ X6 _& J0 k, U0 ~$ a7 P) K% l- ]

5 e7 K/ p% b& w5 A+ z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ l2 }6 t, J" V" m$ [4 H7 J$ t0 r0 C

  R4 I! T" F" U9 f0 ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 v7 C! U" g* u* F" E& Y! W
.............信耶穌... ...

  N. M$ q6 }0 [  V4 k( G/ r* DRegarding the resurrection...., i$ t2 L$ ^& h. _  e0 h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.