Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, Q/ R- A# |$ _# u; Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 |' n) a9 |! `' y3 T% R. a& B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( z9 j7 p3 u- f; e* @) q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& M+ N! R( F+ G8 C. o' A+ d# B* P/ p) F4 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) n" \5 Q1 e) j7 x; Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 p0 t/ O, U: s- Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 [# c$ a' G: F/ b0 B( W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% I3 O* s% j- E# q4 x. D
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) D8 O$ y9 b4 U0 R) z/ y4 `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- I; o6 m- Y2 V# K5 G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' Q1 U6 q  ~& b9 F' I" ^" l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& ?& H4 m: S( p& t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' K7 V9 b# @1 \& Z

1 V4 Y5 ]5 D- N, M* h  mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# R# S/ q, H" |5 r! g8 V$ zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! {$ g( N& M" S* }+ W6 N1 {6 `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ Q1 K( }! T: o8 XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... S3 F; ~9 {! Y! C  Y9 v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( v. W2 g/ T' ~* d9 k$ J

& w# K& U) U9 t; f: P% A9 @it's starting because we have sins....../ d7 G% b3 v$ K* t/ e$ E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 B& y. ?( u- e  a7 I3 {  o5 Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 |9 I1 h, f8 H; f% Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) j) D' [8 R/ `3 S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* T6 x2 }9 ?2 P- J5 i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( s" p. f9 _9 q  T, v# {- P' T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ g4 [0 k6 S% J( o5 I$ G( w9 G5 U' s$ O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* t' y( O/ ^; Z6 v1 I' a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 i$ D0 m/ A" d3 D6 |* j5 d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 _2 b5 U# n; l2 h6 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 n$ R4 w5 P- l. H以下是其他人的見解,  x* r8 i+ i5 r9 e7 H. A- H; I8 K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. P3 ]( g( R% }2 z- q8 ]

0 H; b- F6 L1 L0 ?" f" L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, P' R; C, s$ i( T3 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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$ Q: H8 U0 k. c5 o  o  Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 K. y$ g5 e- T1 M1 K0 _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) B- v5 u" b# \8 D8 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 @. G4 x  e, V' SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.