Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% `0 p" B/ a% v$ u3 [# |$ ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人* I. l8 i  N4 k: t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 ~) y6 S/ c" s# C1 `+ V) P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* C" ~' k1 ^: D$ e/ h* O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* n, b0 P: f% Y" R: l" d* PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 t, o- t# J- a8 NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) W! P  G: s- v0 Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 I1 b$ d! n2 o. K) @7 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 ~) z9 {! Y  v. p我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 Z) `2 T% s# l: e8 c; P
真的!!這不是反話( C' t+ }% R1 N6 l, C
因為我是情感比理性強的人& Z; z- b; p& ?, I  j8 |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& t0 G4 Y7 j. |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 |/ L8 k6 b9 ~9 {6 G/ |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. J& U& h) B9 V! i- Z* \& V3 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% b8 j, A( p# k) q  N3 Q

7 z( n9 l# a1 O6 R& PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( S# }0 j6 n; ?2 P2 s

) B' s) b" H" b" M: l* [  SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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8 E! S& j" I  |5 G[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  V% R5 b& _/ _; a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 }9 t( U: @: d( {9 Z3 w2 }  p7 _$ x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! W7 O# A0 S$ p8 }% K7 c, d1 x7 y8 Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# t" D) A7 Q1 O, G
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 D! _* u7 `1 S/ N, G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 h$ G4 ~: l7 V+ A5 O' K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ I8 n( P! b2 x/ O6 s8 d: T, q1 ^+ `9 q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 o  m' x% @6 x5 r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) [) _  m: \$ R- k5 ]! b/ x1 U( A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 A: U  S! s, o! K, O: {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 v$ X. @/ d; d1 c3 _, E  \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; T: d9 G' y& L& w+ Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 D9 m: o3 Q: J7 s  _, U* D

$ y( y/ n" M+ I+ N$ G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 L5 ^! Y& `: u2 j% e" `% G; f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," H3 u% F' \" G! l* H  N) U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 Q9 D6 D: g. }- s* a* h6 `# F以下是其他人的見解,: S# C0 Z3 N1 ~; {/ x4 A6 W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) S- U2 T* V4 v# z/ y7 x; K4 k' Q" Z, u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& q# O4 C$ T9 P$ s" ~. d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) J* n! ]$ J) t9 ?

) R# w; v0 X3 u0 E3 v1 l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) k# ]2 N5 h7 _5 \! g7 r7 G6 H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 G( c$ S/ g: ]2 G& H0 t! R+ h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" Y$ a4 Q( n7 H8 b; ~.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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! e! c# X, ~$ l9 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' j- m" N& n1 J4 O$ l& u% d

  V4 g  O4 Q; E: Q" y1 V( T3 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.