Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 s7 f* O: F$ r6 y1 G8 w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# C& t" H' x8 S6 i+ |( y9 j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% o5 A$ R/ o  j" w9 @  N  |+ }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; s2 h3 Q* o4 d8 V
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) |# p5 M5 W, ^/ L" d( c! i% D  F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ @. ^8 i7 ~( l% [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 z) D2 P/ g$ j3 u/ {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) E! ]  h6 e4 R+ |4 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 o9 Y* @6 l4 A1 y% z! s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - |- h0 t$ P% W+ ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 r. R( c: L6 x7 `9 ~9 L7 V2 L0 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) M# p4 o# G0 b) }, u
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it's starting because we have sins......% P& D/ @6 R6 d$ c5 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 m9 [2 C6 ^( {+ G( C2 Z3 ]9 K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* N7 W: X! v0 f" ^+ H0 _: E& q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 _% g9 @- t" Y$ p% q2 B5 K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 d$ [& b6 B- j& z) Y  D3 R  S

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) K& I! u. L5 I; B6 Q+ s; g; J  x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( V1 Z1 w2 Y- T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 ^4 l+ ^$ _7 U" ]) x; p
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# i3 x7 X0 l0 S% j" w6 z" B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( H9 h- X$ M( L3 P2 F9 R我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& p4 O' X: ]) M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- A6 N5 D+ `. }$ a; x
.............信耶穌... ...

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7 n. C9 e3 w8 a) d- C0 qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) b+ f5 L4 A. S  L4 M

, p$ w2 s, K, y) u) R7 \0 MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.