Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  F2 d+ i& f& f! L6 J我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 F. b& Q1 f9 ?; a9 I' i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- M2 |- P- h) I* T% Q, C! d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 W# [) K- ^+ |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& n# z9 D+ C0 i- g% [4 ^4 i9 ~
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# W, f. x" r7 G6 p5 z7 C7 c; y% `4 \/ Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 ]1 t- m: d  n4 Y1 N# N: }我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 b# |4 I% w3 }' B
真的!!這不是反話
0 r/ w) k# P8 C9 S因為我是情感比理性強的人
' U7 Y9 u/ k  P2 G  M9 y. O所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% P" u( b1 }/ _" \' x6 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# y) s( [. f7 _3 h. S8 C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 b; s! ?# d1 J! P) u* o& M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' K' W2 ?, \8 s$ EWhat a statement we have here?) R( `2 w# t+ D- ?3 _5 E

- Q8 J1 b2 L- m# x- \! Q* f/ [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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* R1 t6 O8 h1 `8 c2 T" ^" M; h- eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# ]) t8 K$ l: f0 Q7 x. O- p: t

3 Z$ ~/ d/ H6 F! L( {4 G3 K, _% LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 g1 L& Y5 M7 d3 G
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' ]* l( w" H. s6 q# J"不信也沒損失"
" b/ |3 Z0 w  r' b: g6 v& j& h1 `Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ d0 ^' G  H; x! Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ t4 O' R* s5 M) {  M
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 v$ ~5 ~+ J! P+ tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; Z% M9 }0 q4 b3 g! l' o" Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& E- i, i: |# U5 |9 s& ?2 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! u6 L4 X9 h5 d) g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 X5 i6 M) \1 ^" R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  F' i9 i1 V- W9 i* P# I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 t1 {3 {% t. y! |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) g, v$ c6 a8 m. v% G! s

" v8 o& B4 f4 z* d5 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' D  s2 a/ g0 o) h) `) |' Q& t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% u* \2 ^3 h1 _8 U: k

, z2 n. `8 k* w' l9 y2 h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 ~+ R7 k3 s/ n/ O( ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 i7 m; I/ q9 K. I  `2 p% r3 J0 k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* I6 A8 {: C$ ^0 g( {$ c& T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 @, r6 P, G6 z$ [9 Y  Z& E; Y0 }3 q; @1 D
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) w) G' w" _" J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 j6 _1 ?- Z3 }% {2 z

' k/ N' s1 ]2 e- `5 z: Y  u& A( @以下是其他人的見解,' x, Z  ^; j7 R  z9 y* u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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9 L2 E4 i0 V7 x5 h# Z5 v[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 m6 u! r* [5 z( y1 k! E, @
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ d+ l- l3 W8 d+ y

+ J0 o3 F1 i2 i& `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ @- z, w5 \$ s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 M8 v$ z0 q& C# g7 {& t

! G7 o  O' c; m$ E: g" y: F) `$ l同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 T7 Y. k6 e9 B" g$ ^
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ Z" Q! E% @0 l" C( r0 ^% s! o
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.