Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 t; l$ Q. \; ^' X( i( I! L$ X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% q# |- E1 k/ Y0 T1 d
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( E. L6 k, {' D+ T, v2 `$ x道理我知道好多只係做吳到% L' a' U) d) h, b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- D: V) ]9 _0 C- K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( o0 t) N3 p5 I( P8 q$ O% p3 s2 y. j

7 n: Y" w  w. x5 c0 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話7 m7 K* r6 k, C9 r8 w
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 y- ^9 F# H7 f! v9 S) N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 U- _( r8 e% g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 Z8 m: }0 ?9 x5 ^' J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 q, x: ~  X8 p, HWhat a statement we have here?
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% W' d& S: ]  f; q/ Y$ \! sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# `8 J% @/ w5 V& t! X+ Z( D" m1 cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" z* T& u( c; Y2 x6 @/ PLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ Z5 J4 w& J! x9 W* I& f) e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 [, G9 C5 t  B"不信也沒損失"
& {& Y2 F6 l9 \! h1 l4 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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) g3 U8 T: _1 h( G6 K% B! p' O+ Cit's starting because we have sins......
7 T# C  z8 K+ ^/ esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! h' g% N$ U7 c& g/ `6 `; Y4 U4 M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ o  b% S+ O/ l  T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, B2 y, D$ E# U; s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ O' _- g. Q# x* w" Q& {4 c' }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) _6 U8 ^4 o& q" K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. Z) }5 p1 `9 b- E. {% e
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., l0 L% F  G+ |$ f$ C! Q- E
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
- ^5 u+ I- y& X" @3 Y1 G4 m0 z3 z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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  i- a$ A8 b& o2 w4 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) {% L  R4 n! v; a/ n1 [; I. u/ i

6 d8 r2 Q% h/ a+ t- q7 H5 k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 `# M' Z$ A& g/ d0 ]" q% I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 [6 _9 f0 t2 d0 h& |& ~$ ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 z6 Q: Z) {/ D5 G& b
.............信耶穌... ...

' }. z3 G3 D- t) k; DRegarding the resurrection..... a/ c& Q" ]' e/ i4 s7 a0 `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ X  e' J# \4 a! r$ r. mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.