Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ L6 f. ]8 L5 Z' G& O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- f6 x! d0 ^1 i  p8 K" A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# `" r3 {) S' H* {6 R9 i+ N道理我知道好多只係做吳到- e2 `0 J5 v  y* P% _4 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, D4 o4 O" C( Y6 Q; @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# g+ l, m$ m' ]7 A7 U+ s" c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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9 f: {1 s( e- p* B/ T& o4 l真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( ?( s1 \, E7 M) o6 X: Y: h# K8 e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 x  e7 \/ S: Y) F( k9 S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( r" {  f2 M; l& M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 P- M7 r1 _6 I) R/ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; ~6 ]/ s  o4 n9 d) d0 nWhat a statement we have here?: b; t% X* ^2 C

* m7 L( M! p  m0 s$ X9 A4 fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 A; L" }' E! h7 V! |

0 ^% D2 M: m" UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 p/ g4 `" ]- U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) E" C. D$ L4 W7 L  z$ R4 C
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 C6 V" t6 ]4 J! n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% i8 z" q2 v' |) u"不信也沒損失"
$ x6 c9 ~$ l; t+ ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 D7 b, ?/ G: }8 s& Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 u3 a# R# {$ n0 ~$ W2 o: L7 m7 U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 R3 {/ a" `# ~4 ^4 [( A7 [5 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ n# ^; X. |' a2 R) h用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( O2 q+ |$ x% @7 ?" A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# p8 [  G0 ^) E6 J& A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ _% w+ o# H0 i% {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 J3 [. x3 i! V  K/ c/ {

5 T! Z( O; l, k% O( s) U! `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; ?4 b' C( Q" f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 a: t( W. L: G3 `4 ]5 N% |1 {% E" f

, N0 R3 D: S- x3 v% n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) B* a4 F6 D( j7 ?- K1 U8 g: _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ N& {+ I' N2 l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; j4 U8 S4 h/ U% ^9 N
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ B& ]( I* E2 b+ n  U3 @4 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 {. ~( @6 Y+ b; Y以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) M( A6 D# n( H3 F

: B: C% G- F2 p2 m9 z- b# b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  ]: t( _  V' I9 c2 `- S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& d5 U6 u6 V1 H! l' {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 c, C% ?3 @. Q% g

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& i4 k! [: L4 `
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: e$ s( Z( R4 B3 J7 D" ^; E

" Q: g+ e( E, R; n- wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.