Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' e, P$ j; G( d; O( a) b* E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ P: H- P4 c, r$ [/ R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 J- K- s9 u# ]# ~7 C2 D3 o4 b8 wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( m* @  v/ d: t0 ?7 N

( D. r6 j  z9 D1 M; dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( ^& g9 w+ d  v1 q+ astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; s$ [' T( }: _  K% b% z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- ?$ m9 F" g3 {. N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# E. [3 e7 }6 k' N因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! b  l' n, s( B$ H# G/ @, A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- [/ x  l- j1 H! I$ G) W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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' |. h- V4 b. x1 u& iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 E  F3 L" o7 }" u. xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 \+ Y6 Y7 k: k- ~. J% H5 D$ ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  {) g3 a/ x9 Q' {/ ~$ ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
* e0 S8 ?9 g; A9 N4 u7 DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 O' _$ X) F3 K- e; f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 ~+ d1 R3 T; K6 `9 \/ U  qit's starting because we have sins......, {9 ^% d2 T( b7 K6 r6 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 Y4 Z" q2 ?4 N* t; Q# Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": w3 l( H3 L+ u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: }4 F( H. {% l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- N0 k' c- x7 I% X4 P  i/ }: ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 w  R' m/ D7 i4 n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ F9 i+ d& ]. e+ L2 [  y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- U! ]3 j% \- l7 T& U' }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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- {  D) a  @: f- U2 Z& b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  C- ]# h6 C1 |: ?1 Y  |

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' y' _7 {. ?; U; D- v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 K0 l  @6 H& {5 R+ {以下是其他人的見解,
( I8 Q; W4 s- x: N* `看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- _. _. I; |" p  e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, g7 L- R( q' q/ k+ ~

' v" d7 g' M0 ]& o& Q' x* [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ y! c# ^0 [) `; d( V* k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 O% L; X1 t. ~6 q" F; ^同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' i7 x2 i# h4 P/ ^; a# v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.