Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 X: K/ s( l4 M. `* C5 z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  ^9 z' d8 z  Z2 p# L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; o3 w' b% i( l( q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  c5 `' T: p" m: k/ u, e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 G  [5 j$ b# \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 V) ]8 V' L4 ^6 O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: j, I) _% b9 c5 `- Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, ^) t1 V* o! v. _$ _+ `# T+ Y$ v

2 h4 c7 P. L% ?: o: f4 }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : e9 J7 _: j* N! j* w! B4 G

  ?6 O/ _/ ^8 [9 Q) W0 ?  B. d, MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% ]: _2 X0 [$ z  U& f" P5 d; @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 _5 y1 ^8 u" i0 \* h' X

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"+ T7 P0 @" p: H, m: s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ `( J0 j, P$ D2 R; [2 F( f) L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 A/ s  q- J+ T. z* Y4 S4 L7 Q8 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 a2 P. V+ o+ t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; j0 k/ H& C) Y3 k1 q# N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; N8 `5 s4 Z, w7 _, Q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( K" b! B6 ~* O5 Z- J, |8 S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. m$ H& p6 v/ S3 u( _4 m

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 m7 k7 g' |2 p  `) ~8 W/ a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 r+ b: S; ~6 a- m/ Y

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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" ]1 L/ d+ c# P以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 E- u1 C7 [0 F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ J) l/ x$ |4 C. B( [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 \. U1 a! r' ?- z* d9 V6 Q.............信耶穌... ...

: |% D4 \/ N4 R8 Z* r: yRegarding the resurrection....
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2 c$ I& p- j3 i6 V1 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.