Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' E1 p- ^7 S" Y3 U5 p6 u9 ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人- b/ Q; a$ \" m2 H. J! b8 z( D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 a, l  K( o: e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& ]+ T$ l3 A: l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ h" C' @* y) LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 |" y6 t4 N/ M/ J/ X
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ e! A2 @2 P  `6 F: W, N8 T

2 {) T. |# u0 g$ a9 N. h3 v) |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& @* {' f9 B0 N+ C% n$ J

# q  ]% ~) O& v3 S* e& v0 p6 ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: s1 D/ k; i/ o: _( W  x/ {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 [- F% J* ^! d) r' z0 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人% k0 o. W3 e8 p$ B2 k1 d% I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, s* w: p. w" n/ B: Y' ]+ ~$ S* k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. s- Q: z/ Q, j) T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# ?/ U/ V. ?. J9 L" V% f, h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 G8 x4 s- F2 o( v' e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 F/ D! X3 y8 x; k# EWhat a statement we have here?
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7 s: {: t1 O& ?5 Z% T9 \3 v6 iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 ~- q) E1 L+ a: S8 n7 N5 Q7 X

9 o( a( F5 t9 P; u$ i" {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 a0 G9 Z# k' d0 JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 l, f8 [' N- m4 a' y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  W5 ]# _- w8 Z. d" pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." l" M1 A  q7 C2 z& y6 |. _5 u, r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ I+ k3 b9 O8 L6 M) B& F2 ^/ l
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it's starting because we have sins......# i) C* M1 q" i3 E; {/ |/ e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( a; R4 i+ P8 v' d. jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ l* r) _2 O* l" K  Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ {/ W1 s5 s, L( s; y* l& X1 {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," T2 [$ T6 g8 L# G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  |& W7 o9 r  m( J( G# x* Y, b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. d! H4 [$ F  F6 N) h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* r; q9 x9 N. @* S# f+ O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 J8 A9 @6 ~3 w  m# }  B) h( E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, f- b" J" c( {7 h0 e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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  e5 l+ G! ?* @/ c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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+ H6 g0 W5 K( e+ B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; L" F  G1 q/ z, x1 n2 ^# {/ Q8 y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 E  e. Z( C0 l! I6 P8 D( y' V, p
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以下是其他人的見解,% o/ @3 m# S8 Z4 X
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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+ X2 s8 ]$ v* [/ j" j! S3 L6 }- ^( S[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 q4 d; y0 [) ?

& z  P! T  w. V! _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! F9 V" [. k- |2 e4 u; v+ V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 h8 g; ^* @: L2 f
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 u( Y- Y( h5 r: W" Z$ F6 J
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.