Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) A, f/ ]( l1 Q6 g: t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ I" ~/ p* ?3 N( S! [6 ~) ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! B1 c; f$ f3 c( t/ s道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 A; f! s  y+ X5 X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. ~- s: g3 ~" }: h% ?+ NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 t4 d. u! N1 x- e  Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 P* H: e# U9 a

, Z. G, c; J, I$ h  A% qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: y2 T" ~1 u4 t9 l, q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% q/ r5 s; L) [2 M' Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
- n7 [* c+ C& x, O1 P* _# c真的!!這不是反話
) r8 e0 \, Q' U7 N3 \6 E4 T因為我是情感比理性強的人( L! H9 w0 j" u" L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 P6 R. }3 x2 r) E$ z7 r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ i$ x: m( F0 m5 q% @+ s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
/ D. ^6 ~8 W6 a$ C, @正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 x" \+ T, S5 U* f9 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' g: d& t0 y1 \( kWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, V! R5 R/ `' P( ~. GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 |' w+ t5 `, l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( [" w0 t7 U' |$ B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: [/ r  i9 z- s+ P' k# ^( \# o; T  ]"不信也沒損失"
4 O5 N, {+ D7 e8 LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: b8 \, O5 H: @& u! @/ V2 q& z: zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 _4 |8 ?7 c. I# ]
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it's starting because we have sins......
) A; P( E+ ?0 F+ x5 ?) isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, F# ^9 q# G4 r# Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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8 n! k, D1 y" P. s7 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 ^8 {5 ?/ L6 Z3 E: X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- c( u6 x( n" O: N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ y+ q" A' Q3 b, @, R* e7 q/ N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 L/ s; M! y' h* }" V! Z/ p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  \: l6 y& p; w! w改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* a' _! V) N8 P7 @! S  f5 x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 }$ b$ f, `) w4 Z$ j3 S

! X# e0 t2 j! O" X# {7 ~4 k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. Q0 ^) [  A& r$ b& M3 f& b5 z

# w5 e$ f0 i; d1 D1 E6 x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# X" U( O2 ~6 f: X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% h1 S% w6 Y8 E+ z# E

! R. B: L, I+ q1 A" e以下是其他人的見解,! k! A$ l# i" d# T" ^4 D# ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, g  Y0 S6 J" h) k, e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; G8 m4 B+ v6 ]6 N: b- `

$ J/ l% e& W8 D5 t+ j[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- J; L5 W, _" \

$ M2 U2 e; w$ D4 ?* X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' I( v% I' \5 u9 c

5 B3 S* X  q" ?- C+ `) W) G9 A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- M; q' T5 U2 C: V4 w* n* U- l

+ f2 i9 s1 J6 W. V/ f- z5 s4 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. S: ]: Y$ g& ]0 H2 z/ ~
.............信耶穌... ...

* b; U  @/ M8 U* K8 ]* b6 KRegarding the resurrection....
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+ |* c) H) @4 B% H6 r/ N6 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ q. g/ ^8 Q1 N
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.