Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 K5 x/ c) @  K# B+ w  I2 g8 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 {8 N+ C7 W/ T' H9 _3 m" `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ Y$ A: J$ _( j$ T# N1 @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到. Y  V9 B# _5 x1 n& y+ b  w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  _/ r# A0 B4 d- sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- q2 o4 C8 I1 z# K) qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 m0 N$ K- c/ Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; d  I) E1 v3 r2 D  i$ ~

" [* O. d: c7 X& n( wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 |# \- G1 Z- }; [5 P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' K# ]# ]4 P5 Q5 `, d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 d; F% S. q" n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: Y0 O  A/ k; p" E1 }. H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, p. M  x5 B& Y9 j2 o2 z( M8 ~$ ^% JWhat a statement we have here?
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( p4 t; E" l9 U- b; [4 BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( l3 y- X# |! ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ Z9 j, R' ?9 x! A) v

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 I2 O0 K2 @- V9 I# x  G5 l1 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 z0 w6 z! {. D5 H% M6 F8 }"不信也沒損失"
' q3 z5 {8 r) `$ @8 h, D& d6 yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* j0 v& G, _4 \6 h! u- g% o) j; ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 V1 K0 Y; [6 C, w# s) b

, K2 _2 A! Q7 ait's starting because we have sins......
+ H0 ~% D; t' r3 j) [2 e9 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 i- {" L/ ^1 J; [9 bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* b: _8 \8 x' P* T* a8 M" B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! D3 C% O& X+ Z# l" E" G4 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 a, a% _, d( X8 O" r5 o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. s4 ]# J; e8 {& {  X' J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# S) M7 n% C' y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 Z1 W  p# l$ P. q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' X3 |: p* }8 X6 q! Q1 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 q2 j$ m' r7 h; J# p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 o5 p  I) f0 @& W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 T# u/ b2 H$ V$ A5 s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 @1 P! ~( R9 O- ^2 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. E: u$ b+ I  g/ ^* K) ?
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! q" k! b# s5 h1 R, O: a& y

3 Q  G' `0 r, _7 ~5 X( \+ s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. t5 N3 Y! z# Q# h0 P; N3 A( N
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 ~$ \$ M8 Y! C3 k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 N. G+ Z3 m2 q. e9 X5 t  l同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) z/ {/ \. N0 G" l  P7 Y) W
.............信耶穌... ...

, j, y8 T0 n4 S0 r9 T1 eRegarding the resurrection....6 X9 t; E8 F6 J, p% W# a6 i5 \

; P/ p1 E5 N; i8 ^2 x; S+ o- P" JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& j! |" e3 M( o; \6 lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.