Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 m( S! [/ B3 V% z1 j. {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- g/ \9 k$ n* O) X. |6 k
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& |2 ^& @  P6 C5 N, w
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  i1 R8 Y+ S' ]- U) J. O

. y( |, [+ Y7 |3 q3 ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ K5 V+ c9 f6 o# x8 A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 |. c, t; {( x, f我只不過微小的基督徒..................., U; U6 @# t% `5 V* S  s
真的!!這不是反話: q1 ?! |+ |5 l: J- A# m" ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 s' n# H( `, n4 r% n  ?! ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 i3 }% d$ W6 s* N/ Z% i( Q2 F7 S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) X4 a% L. D8 x* L4 A2 B( h7 j" e, Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# Q2 X+ ]5 W+ I; B! X/ C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 A5 B! \( Q3 ]5 ^6 {/ ^- v' @
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 o, B/ k4 M5 H. R# _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( l6 i( C+ F5 _+ ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 O+ e7 V; T, y! p/ T2 v  {2 x$ Y2 {( ^"不信也沒損失"
" L! ]6 d5 T5 F4 K4 Q1 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 t4 Q* q, x) \0 o/ G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  [; H6 j+ e7 i1 Q; Pit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; i% H" R) E  C' h( g8 j# z5 R; W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& {. X) z7 I, W8 t% K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 ~3 P8 l3 v3 I
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) X0 `1 W* M$ U- m* w2 e: O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 d( ~  c- P( s* x( O( c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 t4 k3 z% C4 E) @/ k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 K3 C* x  F3 j0 z, f0 h  H0 s3 z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 a- d4 ^# ~; v+ r3 c

3 o6 W$ W1 l* U- Y; D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 M3 Y& ]% Y( y, z: F. g# B* G# v( T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) t9 Z9 }6 a  K3 m8 |( }  _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 N6 z) U) l8 [( u9 J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 a$ X! _/ z6 V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  z. W* Y% W) p% y! {) |8 S.............信耶穌... ...

# W% B( W6 V0 e% R" I' ?2 ERegarding the resurrection....8 @& w4 [' f5 z0 ^' {# J

/ b$ M1 A* T% L$ W: iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& b5 z% h+ W8 }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.