Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# n9 h0 A3 ~5 I' d) C, f% a道理我知道好多只係做吳到: D, ?3 B, i+ c8 j9 B, ]' n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 e: ^  I8 s" V4 M  JNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# O8 d8 u( r0 ?7 p8 N- _8 Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- W" W' u. C4 Z! I+ J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 }8 p" k/ ~8 ]' e% d" k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% X7 B5 z- {" p# ^, I
真的!!這不是反話, |. |0 `; ]  [
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 Z; X1 n  a3 F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 W$ R0 P$ O; m" J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 V6 A) {% l, b4 }& N& u
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 s$ C$ ?9 T' d# m3 l# `( n7 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% M( M! ]! @) \0 f7 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 ^" E/ R( b* i, r8 J! O

7 R7 Y( n+ }, y! r, J: y$ p4 \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% Y5 L( r- V, q6 l4 p3 c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ ^8 o+ E% z- F! o+ W; g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! T( J0 }% v4 x/ x( B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 r- M! {, R& O8 f  M3 `# v( y" iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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4 `% W, N8 J7 N$ ?6 ~it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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' I  h: E0 X8 B  c- C" b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 G. {: s! ]7 u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 C$ g  I3 z3 P9 ~. |; H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 U  _, M3 e+ P5 A( b% ^. `9 j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ t4 u* y) l8 R* Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! n* Z' L' I0 i7 @2 M

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 a; ?0 `! A5 q0 w6 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 X6 B, W1 y% ~) V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* ~5 {" q, C. P; G# U

  K* f2 }" s  Z3 K  X8 I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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* E% E$ I0 j" w8 L7 r$ s同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 \6 o3 M5 }6 a% \7 [2 J( X
.............信耶穌... ...

7 ]# _% j! @, B( ~/ J: ZRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.