Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 A, X1 [, u8 L, l& O- D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: }, B5 s( }/ k! t2 a呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- [' K- _2 T1 `5 _: \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 E& t, j* x! w. Y) t

/ e, B! l! A1 @) P; GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." y$ P4 [6 Y# r/ ^: o. f% Z4 a, C- X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& `; I! ~, T) k+ nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 J/ z3 o. _1 @' a# E4 T7 K0 M2 ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' U4 y0 |" |1 J. u+ f  r; I& }5 R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) W* v- {% y. M' Y# b: m
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ s9 e* K% W. }: u# n: {# t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( W3 w1 t$ F3 j; z5 y+ k! Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" w5 ]9 Z$ e# k( _) P4 x) v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. P: f" |: W/ m5 k$ N# Z

$ W$ K% R+ [) HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) k, i7 X6 I) I8 FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# n% S  T3 K8 t2 @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: @$ h* m* Q! B, Z1 f0 c) A
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 ]) b5 |6 l+ }5 U( f- v. U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! _0 A/ C. @# w3 L4 a"不信也沒損失"
. E" c: w/ N, H& xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, \1 u5 N' U/ u: x$ abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 W, a& u, o: y' [3 w4 w% \: Eit's starting because we have sins......
# Z1 ~. \, q$ t* `0 Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 `7 k/ K/ L/ j8 T2 a* q/ ]: |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, X* Y5 G, _$ `0 W8 z0 v  v0 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' g1 e; A8 d* b% o# @* ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 O& V. K8 e% f4 V) H! k& I8 x1 ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 h6 V/ h5 d' O$ ?+ ]& {( {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 M) G& Q, X: l+ N' ^$ z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; T& L" f* R/ R# x7 p

) w  `# P. S, W" Z3 i7 ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) ]  \* ^+ L& Q/ y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. f- W! U" G4 n  ?, i: y8 t5 ~* F0 Y2 t
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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* i! y0 J9 l- T  X0 {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' |& e' A; O, w" _
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, O) Z( \5 F& b; Y  \, F  C& t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
) u' b8 M# X9 d( g, T7 `8 g5 _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" }! e3 g2 R' m5 e  L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" c* x' U' O3 l! a2 \0 U, u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% z  U$ d; h* l# q) U1 f

# a; ]  [" a& j# X' U5 o) W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# i: q: L" t9 P5 m4 e.............信耶穌... ...

) g# x8 d- c8 ?: r8 f8 ~Regarding the resurrection...., c2 b8 V9 X* ?! ?% y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 X  m6 b, q( g% B  Q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.