Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. j4 Y+ N% G) D) R, O: o: ?$ j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 q6 ]$ G+ I# @& |6 v4 l8 n& O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 b  y$ i0 g" y1 j
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 y( @5 E/ {( V1 I* ^" R" v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! |7 H5 s& O9 H$ sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. ?! a! d) n0 d! w/ ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 U# H7 A! r4 E6 l$ f/ H: D, I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 |" v: a& m+ X6 z+ Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# S/ f3 V. j. T- y% N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: r  Z4 Y3 ~. I2 b7 o& @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 p9 G( e7 Z' u( o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 _! \0 }( v# U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 n$ N. a* K$ i' u- j, N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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/ @) i" ~% F) _: \% t4 Z& ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; {! V5 \. o9 Q; G5 R* A0 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. r6 n& ]: {0 `% v2 }. k9 _4 i

" W% Q- |& W3 }% V# G) R$ l% ^+ @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. e- S, Q4 ^, |2 H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ G5 |% P8 B/ V6 j8 i% m) k' Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ U! i. d" [( p( U# ?; D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ }" W! w+ ?* h; u# l( u7 q
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it's starting because we have sins......& Q3 R" y3 d, F* S3 k3 L# b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; W: z, X- \% q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ H4 J. I0 _" v5 q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 m- d+ N8 ^: u0 ?) S8 g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 _( O+ Z; e5 K, n$ y- G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 d* x+ i) V& x; [# A! {  K1 [$ G
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 v! l( x+ @) h- V- _好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 T6 q2 c, g% P! B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- [8 \9 u) I- t0 {+ a+ f宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 Q) x/ X. R( b' G3 ~2 G4 O. g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 O3 ], k9 b3 t% f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& b. l, H$ A. I

. {! o% A( Z2 N  B0 Q以下是其他人的見解,) `7 K$ H! c4 v& j$ J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ Q8 l) \; n+ N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 b& Y" e  N9 w% [* r5 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  F% {* {1 e' U. P2 z8 B5 k# x, O( N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ Y- }2 F/ c9 Z! @+ U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ q' D; I0 h5 G, n% P& F0 f) {7 f
.............信耶穌... ...

( h" ^) \6 {/ N; RRegarding the resurrection....- `0 [2 @- |1 N+ t9 {0 V5 M8 S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 K4 a, G- X  j7 E3 Z9 K; h. S0 {
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.