Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 c, N7 Z* M6 e5 J  s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- P* g( w1 t( i# |' N: M  C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 Y  r. Q- _; t道理我知道好多只係做吳到: i3 B! `; f4 C: A2 W+ x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  c: j( u9 Z. E( kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  K% t1 |4 _  b7 d( X  t; u( B! kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 b+ _) W. U& p: W: l  b/ C3 O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 L) m7 [$ N0 D8 e7 x7 _* P. Z7 Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... U$ }8 u0 m5 E4 \6 {' @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 |/ Z4 u3 E* }我只不過微小的基督徒...................' E7 e* x+ y' @" l
真的!!這不是反話
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/ s% x8 ?4 ^2 G- b8 t3 y6 f( t  x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 c9 _* S8 d' v: e7 i: S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 {4 T- Y4 D6 w$ r5 {  U6 V, `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 v8 w. j5 b: l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* F! [' t4 u) _% R5 m7 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( i) w* S; A! W, k) v# tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 e/ X3 {) {( f* ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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% S4 w( p% n% u1 P0 T* |- S"不信也沒損失"- F3 c5 e, ~" M; Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 ?2 C: ^; r! O4 a1 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
% l% ^8 F3 X/ c8 _: Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  v* W5 [0 ], N5 a& S6 d2 cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* n# p$ \- |# t. i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 {( D, M% `. B6 q7 v
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% y7 m; S4 \/ z0 D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 \% [- T9 a5 s8 S  [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 G/ g3 d) G0 V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 k5 ?% t7 Z  C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 h5 P9 b' r( B# q$ h0 u& C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ u- N9 P: I- w, {; Y/ Q6 I6 |9 M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 V, `/ H+ [4 M& n8 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 S; h5 l9 ?, h. _/ |; N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ k; f& ^  v1 O+ S; V: T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' i, `$ q) K3 U! c5 a

( f. o; W! p0 }5 c5 C. u$ A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" n, f% a6 h& P% l" ?) `$ s) H

0 e  p$ d1 p  j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# c2 w2 A3 N& F7 K

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) c4 D& `- i) ?. r
.............信耶穌... ...

( X! [: \- [. q! t* dRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- [6 z- ~  x8 ~" C% i  p0 DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.