Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ w* ?. d* s5 `3 h9 n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 R( B% p; w1 N2 h, H: ]4 t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ i( d% g: J4 C; ^4 B& K2 q; v6 q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, v$ F# Y1 r$ y2 T& B; |0 k: Q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" D; @0 y5 P9 T/ H: E! q8 B. E% ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 K7 n) w* i. h- k+ }" v, L0 c

! G( }5 P# C; Q/ X! u3 {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# ]" `) Q, L0 h9 ]+ R$ w3 b
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ `$ A+ b& I* L' F

5 D: O. U0 `7 t6 l1 @. D1 u+ estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: y* x! i# X6 J1 u' _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 w6 t, r; O+ N: ?) l5 }( _& V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" a: ]$ d5 |3 R2 O$ Q" X& ~1 N真的!!這不是反話
& F( K! `7 K2 J2 K0 B$ U因為我是情感比理性強的人
; C& O6 p* u" |8 u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 F# m$ T9 u, d, U& K" f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 j- L) L' o7 I* e' _! {* }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. q6 s/ U% q: k8 C# B: x. v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?' M. }. t+ J" z- ?  ?, T

" w1 p% a: A; w) O! E' y# |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# n; [/ J" x2 s. I( W7 |, Z

% i% c: Z, Q- N$ g: o% ~* mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' q  M7 {! B- q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 E% I# @( E" _" [1 ^3 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# ~5 S' p' u; Z7 I5 A0 F' Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 w8 J2 q) q" Nit's starting because we have sins......
5 W, n, y8 ^0 Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) @) J9 |$ Z* N* H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 A! e+ y2 G7 d; n只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* i4 K" H: @+ ?+ H" E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," `' g0 k2 V$ h0 b" u6 n, m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( W/ i* d! B, l; x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" Q1 q0 Q% B( w3 R& ^" p8 p5 ?( ~" G( z( O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# N: v+ t7 K( p: m# L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; t% [  G. Q2 M- d- D# S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, v; a8 k  C- K' m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# A0 \/ L' |$ ^( }* d. L1 Y# V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 f) N2 _$ f+ g' g

2 z3 m: h! l$ D' {1 i1 ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: d! h" B# m* ]2 P8 q) J

8 E. ~4 A. M% W1 j, l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# I: C& y' P7 W3 a# g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) r" Z+ Y( j( S4 f7 i3 G# o7 U) K
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以下是其他人的見解,9 f/ T6 \/ ]+ E9 c3 F, n1 T4 n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 K; B2 a/ T3 x0 I

" [9 a% o0 T. M6 V, m5 s2 t5 l& f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 p2 s0 J. B/ j6 J0 w5 h

: R: c% w' L+ H& f: M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% e, {* D: a/ K.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 a- L8 B& [% O- l
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* p0 e  l! f$ E3 |3 P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.