Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. m% T8 x: t3 o4 U2 v; I3 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. M" x8 a+ |7 I9 l3 N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# b; T. b- z" Y' X- z- @6 b1 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* ]& r* \) R& r5 V1 ^8 `5 f8 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 B& ?- g. E" L2 B! {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# ^) ~! \, }7 [8 o+ j5 Y& x/ s. W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 D- s) L% j7 d! I, ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( ^5 ?# s+ \# l: N2 r1 C1 j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ {; C7 p2 p4 w6 x$ u- B6 F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 i. k. s% d  k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 G+ o* }4 W; d0 aWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; u1 D( x1 j4 U( |; E/ k) b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: w" L# ?* t! L  P/ ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 _  u! `0 u3 ?& y4 z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"& J) G( W  n) [5 c, U4 B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ K" T; ]9 }8 {2 C2 D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 e% ]2 w- |, a* Y+ j* }

2 z9 x+ M+ E) s, n. X# V  mit's starting because we have sins......) w: g- d4 `: P% x! D5 q; D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / o9 u* w- }1 J0 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! J5 o/ @) ]! E1 E9 ]/ O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% [4 N+ {* d3 J( s& }# \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 c1 q6 O6 Q2 w- {" K( o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& }) ]9 k- S/ S: N5 ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 z6 w: W. g/ U; d3 P  \. t: ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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& D9 w; |- D" M: |% b& C, P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 W+ ?- B: f7 V, h! [# J. i0 m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 X8 p- i8 _) |1 q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, B4 X$ Y! A3 y$ J. L宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 g- ]3 p( b* x; f: O, N

7 P3 ]5 _  `, @' G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! p) i+ E  ?; B( E! t4 k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' b+ N% P* s5 F
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" ]1 l& H% L* O0 H' a  C4 _: D6 [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, [+ k4 ?+ u+ K. j

* v/ s+ l9 p: n) f  F+ K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 }6 p0 {3 q' Y9 V* u( o- [

% d% L: s0 U5 e" ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( O# H( a% s3 \" T( p) z
.............信耶穌... ...

/ i  l( R& h# F# C+ o  ~5 ERegarding the resurrection....7 b8 j/ |2 J5 P6 t3 @$ ~, K

& b" w- ]2 Z7 h$ ^4 \2 N) f" QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  S1 b& h0 l8 _+ a$ o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.