Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: l8 @6 v! h& P  Y. Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- M) p+ e$ [8 J* t: ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 O7 }( h* V; ]/ V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" j) G  v* c9 R6 J2 M4 _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* I, t& e: K8 |7 F; Y- CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 W  X* x# l# @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 e& q1 Y$ B: s4 I, G

6 g1 h8 S/ I0 p5 o- X- bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  e% U( t5 y5 z5 y" j, j8 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- l( V) z% }' m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ i8 q. j9 |( h( a因為我是情感比理性強的人
; L, K) F6 G$ F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ |$ g# R- I5 e! f; h8 u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 p8 s' s* U3 t* M; y, ^* g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 O1 P  |( k8 L/ o3 K: C! ?8 V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ T( Z" O8 M" @3 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 l  p5 G) X+ j' }- kWhat a statement we have here?
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! U6 w; a! Y' v# s" _4 RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 h/ s. r) o' k, }' D  C* R9 M2 r

5 ]: M( j& B2 ~5 W/ {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 L- y4 W- U; s+ s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 P( V' S6 q! d1 v7 D8 a# c"不信也沒損失"; P) ]; U6 s! d7 V3 T( w6 n% T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ l' [+ ?3 [9 e" @! Z  Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 O2 W4 N7 b7 Q* G" j, K" X, `

8 Z7 H9 H. V! Uit's starting because we have sins......# Y2 M" L! {" @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , ?4 M; H; y! l: A5 u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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; @. I9 w3 d% a# b' k) n: j3 p% B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," H( {9 b4 W; P, O6 H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 e& k. d' V* ?, _; S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 F1 K* w3 f5 H3 i- y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% p8 p) Q, ?+ t! P9 g. G& \  O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ u. f) F3 j+ x8 c# `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ ~" x$ N+ {# @' f% s8 N; f

* g( [5 `- {" y- G) E: P+ Q2 @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, S! g+ Y" C; Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 K! p$ A+ [2 v; c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ {9 `. a( d8 l  `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: n5 L8 F# B$ y; [- b9 s6 K& A

" |* d: l6 S/ d; `( H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ o9 |- p% B) W- J) A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( b+ u- o# E4 m8 d

/ [, C+ Y8 a# p: k1 m1 _+ t( i% u以下是其他人的見解,
8 |* u9 m% z3 p4 Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 K- ?. v$ a- ]& K
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, `$ C4 a8 J" Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( p+ a( K2 p4 K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 ~. W. X: U1 Y6 B.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ b8 O  H+ P1 h1 ^) F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ C3 T+ o0 u: gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.