Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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8 D) ^2 h! x& J! c* X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 w, P7 v% P5 ]2 E2 [道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 S3 b1 X% K- x, i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 e1 R& x7 Z, p- d9 u: ]

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' B6 v, t+ m3 J0 f8 x( V! p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ @  d. l3 C' w( l& u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人2 q  \! _! H; l& f/ u+ C$ w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ ^8 Q1 a8 v5 R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ |; q8 @' q! c6 F. D! z+ n6 U! D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ m2 x( l6 ~0 m2 K( P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ g3 l) k5 E- t% v% V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 `; F  \) n8 mWhat a statement we have here?
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( I3 D* B5 K$ g( d2 ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' b# G7 M  ~  X( G8 k' D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 D) x) {0 L* m$ e6 u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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& F. {% g+ |' `+ P* c# N, X1 e8 V4 O"不信也沒損失"* @/ A/ D- m) U6 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 E( G& |4 S) q6 [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 v; O  F! H7 G6 {7 f& n0 Hit's starting because we have sins......, T. v1 a  a, q7 X7 l* `/ ?* i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 t4 R" P* ]( n) ^our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; }4 o) B( X' B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' g% \  C9 W6 c  ?$ e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 M: o2 S# L0 t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ s, w% B; P- h$ h! Q2 T. l' P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 t# ?+ c5 C! m/ b* D# P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ \" k1 M1 |6 G- q; a1 I) n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 x$ G& Y. [: U) h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 f/ q9 p& L8 v2 F1 E/ `4 X' l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 F% Y- y! H, h. e4 A! w
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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! K& g  N, T; _( G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* R5 n9 V( C" H# |  G& f% d! P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: K9 k0 U1 q3 `: W: Q3 M以下是其他人的見解,
. g+ I, Y, v5 T4 q; O: k) B) V7 d* g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 r% k4 m9 _( S" T" t; k) Q1 V
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: v: U! [( e4 X  y  l

: }( k# i3 f% c8 o9 e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" Z9 S, Q5 M/ z% y# k* f# K- ^同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( N8 m  w$ [: Q6 y* F, `, o8 _3 ~) x.............信耶穌... ...

( e( b) U5 X0 y7 l" z$ p% X1 y( fRegarding the resurrection....! F2 N# Q* T  n# q
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.