Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 T3 M" c  a9 \9 I& W2 X8 H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  |# A  H  Q7 F" ^呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) j+ }7 z6 p2 d) A! U# w9 DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 Q$ U% f8 w" r4 c5 D

$ D, [3 ]* h! \; @+ m& J; sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 Q; m# `+ G* L- N7 h) [* @7 ~

8 o" T9 i' h' e0 h+ V4 m9 s9 S4 Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 a) Z/ E9 [- u8 d0 b' @. f( P

. G% E7 \; H# N8 T! k9 y' ^0 g& ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 E# ]4 L3 p( E' R! u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# [; d- v) ~9 g3 A& s, S4 r1 j/ Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# E8 N) i2 p5 J" _4 s! k真的!!這不是反話$ E% n9 o1 L; x# |, D  p" J) X/ |/ z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 s2 z: f8 Y. C, M) _所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  G5 W, T1 m6 v1 z" d2 \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" m$ l& q2 l" D! A  N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... j+ Y8 h7 i) R5 M* E* {  ^% |, j' a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 O8 x! [; i( y# l5 ~3 h4 G0 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 Y- x  Y3 h9 ]2 }2 u  ~) s' T9 a
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: K9 |: u/ G8 fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 u8 a0 {* X3 a

% q; A6 \0 _# [( K4 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) N; ], t$ s0 a5 @9 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( e( l, `0 b) B: {6 W* X5 m- ~"不信也沒損失"
5 g0 K0 M& R4 F- l- T/ u1 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- q5 K! w. E# a' `( J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- a) f0 [$ f* O7 T) r( o3 N+ g

% O- M& X2 y) ^$ k$ n! T, P4 Git's starting because we have sins......
/ |3 `- O  ~  |6 ~) Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* G$ I: z7 i  T8 a! Y$ v1 K$ c7 `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. ~6 n$ o8 N+ ?# r5 C9 f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ s* T$ B$ s9 d' L1 p: ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 N- |: I, ]7 n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: p/ o+ m! j5 Q$ G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! Q- Y) r; s: B2 J" r9 I: ^, v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  T3 Z2 z: e9 N; G

- v. x- ~3 A* t$ l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& A1 {7 m# |2 N5 y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, }' h9 B) e% k7 [1 R9 S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 q! q! {1 \+ x7 k2 U& d

. Z' n- W& O0 d+ X: _3 u$ }9 {宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 A  N$ V9 ~- X- \" r" _' ~6 ~; e+ v
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ X5 B5 h3 G& i) w. I( N: F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; n+ a9 D6 h9 N; X$ X; L) |* Q以下是其他人的見解,4 d, A4 h& v7 x$ G, \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 a2 A& G0 L; U0 ~$ d, n* e1 J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  ^6 B0 v7 ~' o2 m

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' I4 k) u) Y7 e% [+ r4 z1 {5 `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 e9 Y4 a: t/ A( `, a1 L# c" S7 L% H

7 J7 y: R; e: U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: c; L$ X. v3 e3 M% s

+ J" k/ s' K, Q) _2 [+ y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ G. i# R" M( G4 O5 `* w  p
.............信耶穌... ...

' I. i8 G8 ~2 h3 XRegarding the resurrection....
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5 ^, @# N3 |3 r, m% }0 s: mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.