Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- Y+ G6 L7 N5 e6 n# G% s我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 w' m2 u/ J0 A8 ~/ q0 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# V1 G' o3 M! i; X道理我知道好多只係做吳到. g, ~# t" c3 A. @* v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" u% s4 g. j4 ?# k
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" w3 t* o& [: m/ c/ I* fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 b$ _# k/ r8 `# ]! q9 Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- F2 H7 \7 j& ~' k0 w6 g/ ~我只不過微小的基督徒...................! P  n- r7 \" n3 o
真的!!這不是反話
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7 g/ e* k1 L% y* D9 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 V& f; [! C- C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 n+ R, L' a3 T6 o$ b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 M7 r" O. j" [/ i2 p- I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 A6 W% g. \& u, _' A) u0 eWhat a statement we have here?
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9 g9 Y, K5 k. rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; r" f0 d" F! c+ X/ B' tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 Z$ e0 _# I# }$ R# `" c

% ^" R2 {1 A8 g$ ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 @2 y+ {' m/ |, T% L  ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 b( M1 N2 ?* b"不信也沒損失"# s$ w* x2 O, ^9 @( S  e+ N; H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* e- D' k4 j! X. b' A5 a: R5 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ x) o* H4 p$ b4 V7 P8 k0 I6 r; n

* r& g7 I: _/ ^6 O% U, v/ Git's starting because we have sins......3 Q% V) ]' g" z0 L6 \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % ~0 s5 C; ~; U9 J$ G/ m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ F- X4 X  t8 {6 e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% G7 X- ~( {6 Y! d  a" v6 ?0 Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, s- A, c4 F+ b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; {; w' `1 O7 v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* `  L$ K' j, i4 L: U: q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ G8 {' f; ~" l; F; s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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3 F8 d2 A+ j1 q# b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ h/ l" H2 C7 L$ O+ H0 t8 O" k/ x

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* M" O: L) g0 i. N- ], @) L. }' M/ H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ Y: |% s, i2 K0 l6 l  ?3 }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' t) B& _9 _* s4 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ j' z. P8 P. s0 d8 ~, o' V
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 f+ Y! h) y* C$ Q+ \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 j% ^: P. u/ \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! ]& e; R0 S& |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 p7 n# s+ Y7 R; O5 }. Z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# P* T9 s- t- K# X' JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.