Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) F7 J7 o/ z' v4 i$ o  s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' r% T7 n$ A+ s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 T$ ^5 l6 o* E) y) v7 F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 |8 u  m; o6 }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  j, B9 W: E/ ~# N' w1 ^$ T8 W# u我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ i) e8 M8 Q" j& t5 B! Y
真的!!這不是反話6 e4 n" o% \2 ?- _
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 v3 D6 m1 X9 J: k& m9 p% K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( _8 I& F* o2 Q, L' K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& y+ p" Z4 o& I/ y7 V6 y: P* x3 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 W0 l1 U1 V# C0 s+ f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 \$ U6 \3 O/ k* G0 ?3 x# eWhat a statement we have here?* v- V) n* ]$ s  B6 u( X( f

3 y( t6 ^7 t+ _2 PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' ?+ l# v3 }4 D1 O, @0 M; ]! _; \$ BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., k1 R6 H; v& C: p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& n; |1 u8 z' @1 e1 \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- O5 F, ~' A8 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": r) B: m5 L3 q. C: n+ V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: ]! j# u# R+ c& @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; B, j+ S1 D: j! i2 Z* wit's starting because we have sins......8 Y. @( p4 _) N; c2 a% v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 S5 o7 P" B  @$ c) P' b8 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# u8 Z7 f; w$ H* G* a# W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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4 Q  r6 s3 J" @) I0 n4 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( I. t5 ~! v+ D! i  d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( J' N' m6 S2 b" w0 s/ b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& l" v% E9 R7 V

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, i! F( v  c7 J. s1 K- c# t$ b6 W$ T8 v

1 q$ f  j  c0 ^. W1 U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( q/ V, J! r4 T* Z/ ]

1 S7 [5 P+ U" d: B5 k9 Y: \- G3 i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 W) f4 L1 G3 Y2 M% E4 R

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: ]7 I7 C% |' g$ z" {2 U! c" x$ e.............信耶穌... ...

4 U$ Z  a4 H, j4 o$ ?% d$ dRegarding the resurrection....
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0 m2 q1 M: e9 p7 @: ]7 p& }/ JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( m) u8 O- J6 y# t3 c" }; @

$ m+ ~# M5 P( IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.