Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) j3 V1 j# w0 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到% N' m3 F6 t5 S  z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ u8 Q, {7 m2 h: m7 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- u7 u( W0 M2 v  q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! L* X; Y" b0 c, ~. F: u

& l) ~2 r* I. ?/ ^- ]3 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., ~7 h2 |/ d& E3 p* O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 [0 X* s% u3 v" m" E* r: h2 d我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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& R3 _6 Y0 n0 R0 A4 R因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 j2 b: H. q3 a) `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! B- Q! y8 k; Q0 G0 x& S" A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 u0 ]$ w, Z9 \9 x+ g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  O" T' ^- B- ~0 ~- l2 e! v$ l8 _
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ {# \2 k' L' d% oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 [: H# V$ }1 e5 X+ I3 Z# E( @" \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ I# z; I2 Q5 y! u# o2 f9 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". W" F+ p- P6 X9 `+ w6 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 u% t& K$ r' S6 Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; P& Q  ]& ?' o4 ?% f

% p3 g9 @) ^7 A1 U  S* Hit's starting because we have sins......
2 k* Z; C) e- F4 Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ G1 a7 @* k" V- _7 [' y' }- v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; N, T+ ^  s1 |# x" A8 C. }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! I9 ]; }2 _. q5 \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; Y0 D( \, D9 A6 F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# T* @0 r0 z  W( a' L& M) E4 n( z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ Z9 x! V& _/ M6 @, E% D% @1 e

/ T8 z' {. }% \3 \/ ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. k1 N8 m( m1 h) l5 Y3 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; L8 P! ?' m. Q, _" `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, \) z! \$ x$ X& E! ^2 _. a以下是其他人的見解,+ m! L* y5 M! \  g4 O$ e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ H( Z. E; _/ O. i1 y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 k( S$ s( g6 v! r( z& P. ]4 {2 l+ p' v9 @9 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% a& S' j2 T* g  y" @7 s: r" }3 ~9 m
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 n7 k, m" I$ h. Y1 j" ~0 c0 O

& p) {2 C$ _' i) L3 I% W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 N* k) E) E) T0 C) x* g3 j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.