Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) X9 |1 A' _0 D* ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 w0 a" z, ]2 c9 A- |% I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 |9 F, g2 ~* m: f' P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 Q: J5 U( t8 V0 V3 _* a

0 M6 N/ x* L$ _. D3 e  `4 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* K% @. v* R9 l9 i" c- scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: ]- S. P( a& n8 t3 n" W
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." T" i! ?5 I& `; `
真的!!這不是反話) A- m, E$ e6 N8 ?) G4 @
因為我是情感比理性強的人! S8 B7 `: t/ k) F6 ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 a. v8 Q" A8 h$ e& o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* N8 H2 i8 H! y3 C9 Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# y0 e1 ^0 O# m& ^" F3 {7 E' O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- y4 v- l9 c0 fWhat a statement we have here?7 m8 y( N. w1 e$ D% s: B
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 v$ @; u  T8 d+ U

, P9 t0 L3 `* _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  N  j! J' F( x: |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 Y2 c: q2 s6 B2 f$ X& ~  A& h' G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; T' q6 _5 R, L& I$ b+ T' {0 B% ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 U9 Q. m" v2 o. `2 G5 H

6 L4 P/ t0 E+ g8 Oit's starting because we have sins......2 P; q6 a- F* t. n$ ?9 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , s+ y- S/ B0 n0 O( g9 u7 ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, z% P& r7 s- m6 A7 q" b& G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 h* f7 C  i7 F) r0 Z0 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! c- B, P" v" _3 l3 b9 K! H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  S5 q3 }0 l2 x: P

) x5 c0 K9 ^8 e1 z# C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) q) u5 Q  W& N" E* H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- o& x3 e, J3 Y* Y* f; m4 f/ Y0 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; I$ m0 u% D8 p4 ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... s$ z5 b' F! h0 f  V5 j3 O

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3 ^2 a& n: {) h2 h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ v; v9 I% M6 g  O5 X- A以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ D4 c/ k( X. [0 c; ?

. z: U# L0 ?4 a, m8 y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 t7 p5 d$ \3 H6 `8 Q8 `8 v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 @  A8 P* w! o
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ _# i* [6 P! M' G4 a1 N( K1 |: U

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 T" K1 f: Q; m' t+ {2 W  V: {.............信耶穌... ...

: Y# v  r6 t1 x( c$ U+ kRegarding the resurrection....: I: k% ~; _9 |" x

4 _2 E- b1 W$ l# B# \/ e- GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.