Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, M/ y" D" E) D  M6 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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9 |0 E1 q2 M( C, t% l道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% e% D- w9 H" r5 _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. \/ J6 P4 ?" d% R4 zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, \- X$ E& G4 Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話6 K5 D" x8 k8 M# d5 O. w( T
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; L& O, H# s/ l" j9 \* ?/ u9 H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," @  U# F& }" S( M5 V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 q/ _1 N2 e* v" P* |. K4 x; \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  d9 d4 P" |: k. m7 E3 B! c0 kWhat a statement we have here?: l5 Q) ~& ?& W( T# |1 O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 Y. Q, a5 t7 a$ e, m0 \; B

9 G% q. [7 g6 p/ e$ LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 n* t  n. p1 Z. m7 N1 E) y. Q0 [7 S& i; {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 z8 ^6 `2 F1 h5 _: ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 R5 i  U( p, z  r$ l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: w* p! i/ o9 W- G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; r: p/ F: K: Q0 j2 R

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& R/ p/ |. S0 u- Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% B' T. u8 `1 Y7 j' i8 n$ j" mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 u7 o5 v0 A& w+ ?) Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( n1 [' S; f9 x) l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," `! L7 ~' G9 U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  \; h: ]9 f" `3 l: I- j* c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 i4 f, u/ h+ v1 B4 j9 W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ I! X1 x5 T7 [9 T" E3 {

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8 a# Z0 v( g, h# |2 W" a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 t4 b+ e  A7 z; k0 E

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( P- s* j+ B- ]2 m+ \. C

9 ~* P6 B" ]5 t2 m7 N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" n6 X- D; p# _' I7 k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 Q# _' L: L# o' N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' h0 g" K: \- K6 e$ O$ c4 k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 Y: V0 I, d4 [5 F0 S& i* b* s.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ M# E3 ~8 {% ^' I% D. S' k" RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; G: \! V* {- H5 C/ W

' }& S" W5 z3 B$ t; bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.