Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ X; p' N$ N3 h: S6 \: B. f我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 e# X) ^3 C/ z9 N$ T# Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' f% A1 ~% i* h' t4 _7 e, J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! f- f. J( E: r  ~$ z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ H; O9 B; V- i/ p* W: w

7 K  P$ b) ~7 }' R- `) c4 H/ p+ GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# o3 d1 [, l2 [9 }# X/ @$ r
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 u+ `, ]/ v1 D8 e3 m/ z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." e$ s& b* i( U; g5 `; c1 j# ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  o( G4 X) v1 M  n7 L/ |我只不過微小的基督徒...................* L: q6 D5 N* d
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! d5 T0 y7 j9 E. D* B% x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 A9 y, s  ^, [4 Q; i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 f- Y" W- |6 M# k$ o; o1 g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 Q: @/ G5 `3 m, j8 i: O( W8 ?% Z  X
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  Z4 c/ z) R9 i5 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' g2 H+ B6 M1 v  B: P8 m  WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" Q7 H. B0 Q# C$ X% u% F/ Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 f0 A( i; R* Lit's starting because we have sins......- k. @8 N) A' Z  ^3 w1 L( U; d6 ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 k4 a1 Z7 r& j% Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! @7 L" W9 a0 ~1 }9 v: r. P$ Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- W4 s0 b. [9 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# a' Z0 n3 B- ~2 j9 f. ]3 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' i" ~3 s6 W9 u  K$ {4 |

1 p0 E4 p( A9 x, b- z8 _& \4 K# c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 K3 ~- T3 f2 Y/ {9 C. n$ c
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 k" y& q$ i! u8 g3 j

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. p% t# V! |8 j. O& [: H( m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ t1 t8 [$ o3 Y
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( u* e0 O, j& J6 h8 U* t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,2 D+ E- a1 P. c# V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 n8 D) B' A9 ?; D' B
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& y( a$ h3 ~3 V" J2 @% }) @# ~' ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ _% P7 E- w  E% a( ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  k2 ?( O0 e, H! d: a. F2 ^& ].............信耶穌... ...

1 c" a! H! c5 G/ d* s$ }Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 U5 M' i/ \  u) Y/ Q$ k
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.