Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% r! H3 [$ r/ C7 Q( P8 a2 w6 [& ]8 J- h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 y/ c5 J) l$ E+ n/ |( P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* T' y/ |& Y; n5 L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ K, d5 }- r! P, F* B6 f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 U& s" p( m, |! h% m

9 t4 g0 O, ^. V. V! f5 e4 \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., k) h3 A) r. Y4 t, Q4 M! S, K

5 b4 ?' r; e) ?5 ~$ Q& F) jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ M5 ]! j% N0 y4 J; e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ N# I1 U0 e' n1 c1 J# {$ a! ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( V! E8 d- G( a: ~
真的!!這不是反話
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+ W7 g- q; {0 v1 ^  H0 \( p$ Z- Z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ o% S+ q5 `1 [& l( K6 o5 S1 u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% `7 s: L- @5 _* {/ _/ C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' q- d$ x( f1 h  w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 P. N! `5 V; i' fWhat a statement we have here?5 V( H1 F6 a& u. }) D8 J5 f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 s/ R, T1 y0 h+ D9 A3 d' c

. j0 A1 N, ]0 u; N" R% t6 B# |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 ?  `7 s& m6 y. N; \+ @- bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* e& b* Y" A  p' _& O+ k

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& X4 H" v' K* n; O7 I  l0 r9 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 a3 a- D* y, o9 Z$ |; a# Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' D" R& ?5 \7 d6 H& M6 }) E( T

3 R6 L$ [" C: G0 m* A8 z; vit's starting because we have sins......
6 d0 W* E  _' G) f% O( \5 p+ Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 n5 k$ q: Z% K1 v& \/ Z- ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 s% }5 f* q" f( j5 C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) Z& g" l" J. A* o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: p  p! R7 r7 m) t' R) {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; o. A! S1 c3 w0 C6 g) P/ V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; B; e& V) M- b- @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% e: C+ c& v! G% g$ G! p

8 Z7 |& [1 `- {0 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' x4 Y( N9 I( Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, q. E3 L1 Q1 z# @& h2 n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 L: L- Z4 f) `& ~6 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 `, R9 H  `" b. a" \" d& I/ J) `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ ^# z. }* Y8 ?* Y. \

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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, u7 X6 Y6 ?2 P3 z# E+ Q( R以下是其他人的見解,$ v6 c- h& ~  d6 `/ G+ _2 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 G  I# w4 U* I# B# I6 V+ B' Y1 j
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& p' I9 m9 ^4 s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ W( \; j8 d' |" I7 R/ c7 J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" Y! [2 V; s. P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! P, l6 ?  Z) ]8 l# |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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! B3 b9 \5 w/ uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) b+ v; W: Y+ I0 p2 t( r8 v  V
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.