Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& s+ q2 S. z! ]6 g, K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: u, ~2 |2 r" L, G3 e3 P; F& |4 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& x  U9 m3 B% N5 ?( c# s' @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# y7 a, c5 }" Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; e, ^6 }, E5 C3 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' K; _' _; Y- t3 ^5 C2 t: ?, {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... b. x4 H7 w+ ~/ P/ Q

3 B" H9 W. U" Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. [* n5 C4 ]  J4 \cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 q. @* F/ N: @+ c, C/ Z. i& N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* A9 R2 Q) S5 H1 t4 l) S
真的!!這不是反話
  i5 l, s4 n0 i因為我是情感比理性強的人1 J: t* f9 Q9 J1 ]# Y, M* P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 j# V* U5 t: ?) i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- X2 a0 \* u9 z' R# h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." v+ a; m- m6 K7 D! c9 \! Z8 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( J- O4 O2 O7 q" A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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$ F0 D; s' v) E, F3 ]/ d4 s" }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 A/ X" D( `: ?5 q2 ^
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% Z' I. [1 }' K  h( O% i9 _, ]" F; J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( U+ s; f8 w, j8 W; s0 E1 ]- |! G; E# O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 O6 G& \; d+ J3 y0 F/ ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ E' \' ~6 ?. T% }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( L  U- W2 Q/ r% \  b; d& I% f
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ X# D: @8 q1 K- `4 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") y- j1 d5 |; U2 V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! F, I/ l$ {! ?" E* v5 v0 D
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  @: d5 b5 l& J, s, H' H( Z, _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( l$ f) l" r' u2 Z- z! t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 ^" O# U( |$ O2 e. V3 w3 o* ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& f& ^. B* u3 q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* ]  U- T' J6 `0 k) V; L好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# Y4 }0 R/ h  j- l+ Q3 Y
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 X5 n# P. w- s3 n4 n, c* Y: W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- T& r- j! Q9 Y+ `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 m- O1 @, p$ I( {; t4 ^& O* h; {" w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. u' \7 x0 l5 }; l0 r. s* A+ S

: ~$ Z( S, x3 e+ u. x8 Y以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- z- W& D5 W) c1 E; F! K' k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% d7 f, v4 ?0 S+ }  R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., i5 I- Y1 \; `/ H# w0 y

( o1 E2 u# W: P  P" IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 R% q) h: I* r0 UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.