Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 q$ X5 H: o0 g6 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 }+ o7 [( o* I% A又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 t0 n" s" n4 m4 E+ [& N道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 g, h# u& p, O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% ?& {' z6 @' ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 G# \; X1 X6 bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: R3 T: A8 m+ a9 P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 ~6 V1 f( A6 u7 v- k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  b+ l# Q3 O4 |& [7 b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 p* X+ `2 T2 o' d
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, G  I9 E, d$ u% T5 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% A9 `' I  }5 r7 G7 A1 \3 B& L5 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, B# ~$ `9 M' }

) r3 K, w7 r' YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, Q2 Q: j( Z' _8 N0 |- X* {( SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' P" q# F8 v# ]* p

# `* Q( A* E1 l% D1 xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 E8 f( V# d* e$ ~3 _7 I' T8 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( Q0 x6 b4 L+ F- a# M" G/ i% t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' [  u. x) E8 ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( b$ y1 l; U; W! H+ y! G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, x( m5 b+ ?& x/ e: C! J& t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ j& v# M1 _# c5 h0 G! w- K; U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 K0 l- k; p4 E" {( G

; a  F  u0 H9 X3 a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 x! Z0 t! p* _$ X$ U) H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- V3 S: U. ]0 r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," @  s/ F; a: J- S8 H. p( I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ E# h3 t5 g1 d4 x* C

+ B5 \, j0 S' G( T  B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) u7 D( x, N  p% ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 \& a' o/ N& h. d- N- q2 `
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm6 P2 K# Q8 _  k! G
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! z$ o2 j9 L- {" k0 w- p$ N, P' J6 S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 U4 E* m4 O$ e+ ]/ ^# B

# l2 v- U% Z$ V  T) d% a1 w& y+ E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* p9 y8 _# ]. ^" t! Z1 y/ D- M. m9 v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" N% g) p& u4 W+ d& x: x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 \/ c9 ]# X2 ^; y- w6 C
.............信耶穌... ...

) U% o; W0 Z- Y. j) rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., R- y9 ]. Y" ^% A  D5 q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.