Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: q! L5 f. |3 S/ N" Y! r1 x$ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 q5 W" o4 z+ C5 F9 A又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 n- x; e! O9 y9 j  Y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& ]: w2 E, t' f% K2 N9 ^' T" F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% R! R5 D, Q4 p6 s7 R8 X# ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" s3 H9 h  _+ w/ T& U0 jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 z4 w. v1 }) {9 T/ tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; c6 J. k" A8 @* P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& ?0 M  r1 a  n, ?  k; Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" e6 @' ^& f* _, |/ S7 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
% U) O) q8 o# I4 Z真的!!這不是反話
( P' d$ W. |& a. p+ H因為我是情感比理性強的人4 z8 r: o. t& K; @" r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# X. z4 {) D& l$ T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 v8 L: p+ p7 y5 T% Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! W. v) T7 v: c6 _: _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 N4 {; X# t" j; e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; z. E+ Z- Z5 G6 V. b/ |What a statement we have here?$ t" s  e3 ^: ]/ b- W- Z

  ]$ v1 x; |4 j4 d+ C( W9 U# uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 N3 ?5 h/ E& E9 v/ E" G. _

# M3 f3 d% S) e& l/ bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; P' r1 ]- r% x, L# j6 [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: d% x! o& o# ~- b% l" G6 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 E* K5 G+ u1 J"不信也沒損失"
: v7 t% b; x4 A( N7 `0 g8 ]2 tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; G3 v! Q4 z2 |but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 @: [$ H' X3 d4 h
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ L: [6 E; Q4 N$ o- Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - V$ D0 ]) f- m; s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% B/ t6 P& B6 J0 k. a4 t) i* @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 L4 K* @) W5 R  |" ]& e% g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% K% A9 \; y3 H$ q4 @) q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* p, F7 G8 U1 N3 |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% K  O' |5 C$ X! ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' B  g' ~0 [" b  W) O9 p1 n
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' t: x+ |8 X( P! L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! o  }, V5 w5 ?0 y- w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 Q& E+ n  o7 O1 B" k+ s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 v9 ?1 S' f& q" K% K1 M+ r/ Z/ ]

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/ r! W. t& \+ ]$ P5 `' k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: t: c" T. c/ f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& ]1 ^0 h; Y  [' P3 V" h

. R- w4 u4 @/ f8 H2 W0 v# N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' @: z& t3 ?0 {; T# J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: I$ K; r5 V& P# m/ ~! a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 y5 Y% K: [% I" C* n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 I) v1 B$ h6 X, u4 j( J.............信耶穌... ...

# y' `- S2 e% I+ ERegarding the resurrection..../ s% j0 {1 ~& ]- y* d8 V7 G

/ j# t# `# m. b( _) sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 X- o( ?- g6 m3 b3 s# ]3 i. X& E% Y

2 A' t4 Q" X" [3 U" _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.