Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ C, d) T- j8 U% L9 S, o# @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. e, X) n6 j2 S2 C9 T  \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 L9 j' s0 ?4 D) l# [( q4 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& a+ D% Y* {( S+ L  M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 U! j4 R/ j, fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( Y1 y* X3 D2 t

" A- ?) \5 Q9 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ b4 {. A+ Y- N, q* P
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 p$ ]& C# p; d" o- U6 r. M

6 f+ ^, m8 L) ?8 ~. B% R: e0 \1 @) Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 d3 u& {4 ]% m. G( J; _: f# ~我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( s3 |: J" U! u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 k" \+ ]- {( o) k6 `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( H- _2 [, J+ @; B# C- Q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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% R& Y6 j6 c$ |$ J  V) t5 @6 UWhat a statement we have here?1 p, W7 a8 n( n( q$ y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . l" i/ D1 o7 E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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9 \9 [  s: S' d"不信也沒損失"2 g3 A" W+ f) ~) b3 h, e7 I8 f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 z; w: i8 K& t# x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......+ t6 H! N0 P; e6 S. m# V% G6 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / g  i" _$ J, [0 N6 w& s! M( N/ Z7 h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; G' N, n, f: A. E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ u0 W8 S& c- B4 }3 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' T. L3 r; c$ i, ]) ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ l% S) C% @5 c7 d5 z8 K3 @( c4 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! G9 W8 _! r) F0 Y5 \
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 d+ P! }; R& y6 J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& `, Q0 ^. d  k, p6 i. T; U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 G: J( M/ f, _宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 e5 I  w7 h" q; I9 f) p4 X

0 w, }7 a/ j3 ~' ^6 h& M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! `2 o2 D" c' z, s/ I5 w2 I0 ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" j, v' M8 o. p  r6 |+ l

/ m9 d& i  d4 D9 A以下是其他人的見解,3 w$ g( D8 M. |" x4 j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: v4 P( E4 F2 R  K0 v4 s

8 W2 `5 s3 x+ @  t; Z) |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, p3 f# b9 _7 X( j
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! T$ o& P" y3 F: z# x# S

* Y5 s0 ~* v0 O& y: @$ Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 o' U$ e  A* y3 Z/ p6 Q.............信耶穌... ...

+ E5 k! w. \( q# b  }' |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! P( R" K! J+ ^1 Z" Z6 ]

. `2 R/ s- k2 M7 TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.