Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 N/ Y* P2 P7 q  q# E( C8 C5 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. W: t, L7 K3 }& s1 F/ T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; o) [" x  G9 k+ A) e- j道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 p5 a6 b  Y" p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, r5 l' l- ^3 |6 v% y) m' v$ wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 X3 Q! A; i4 e$ X, U2 a

1 P. U9 P. b, kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ Z1 t! m! Q% z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... m( c. v. P. Z  P7 @3 L

, B5 b2 S/ k1 R' Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 v3 ?1 v, ]' Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 l: N7 ~0 I3 T我只不過微小的基督徒...................) N8 B' M4 k; J. c3 ~; j
真的!!這不是反話4 H2 d+ ^: g. ]2 @; d, F/ U8 T9 V# R
因為我是情感比理性強的人
* I0 e% _! Z0 T0 ^2 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% e' v$ U) Q1 I- c3 Q. T4 ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- Y# j' X* `* x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' A+ w+ \5 W) f9 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. k7 \6 Y( V% ]7 Z; oWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( X( `3 r2 b. i

- _: G3 v6 c+ T( ~I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# W0 v( v" [3 p& d) S0 p8 t4 l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& O; G, k' f3 G3 X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  _% p7 ]+ e% G8 d6 `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 b+ {/ C) Q" R. M- L/ F* }"不信也沒損失"
8 c  ]: H( s% k) SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- c! y6 W4 u! w: K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( G! |" f" ~" C- A. k# e. g* C

; p. b' Y  C% l, Rit's starting because we have sins......( u0 z2 N3 V/ }: _6 N. k/ J& S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % |; a* v8 ~# ]( m2 [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 J$ B1 ?" A6 G只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 N, x+ T" p( o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, H& P$ R( o+ I5 d6 J! K; ]3 w: n8 C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& k& V  a  i, s' F# j3 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; o; P9 B6 F3 a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- m% D( u+ U4 _/ Y

% C2 P5 ^$ ^# D: T+ Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. M  e6 c' G5 S) m3 K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 E" l3 D) m1 _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ X6 S/ b) B3 z/ z3 ~" T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 A, Y6 v8 q- b' `" G3 f$ T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; d- U! L  B1 j) a8 K5 ~  n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- x. T( N5 a; O# @, u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 ]5 ~* x6 z8 ?& t$ \

' l( ^2 H& n7 f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& s5 Q( E) _4 ~3 y+ W+ e

- K$ b; x* @: `0 e( {  E  k2 j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 F& ~" V# M2 ?( \/ A3 M( y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.