Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( X$ M7 o0 H/ W5 j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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  m- \/ `$ G3 l+ U- z. I  ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到) Y# N* r3 E- o1 S: f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' l8 W% P% K; A5 {) DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% X0 R: U  m/ |* h. }. D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  G  j# f' G: x) [1 p1 H

+ I3 J" c8 O8 v" w% Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! V; V" {6 s8 U* ?7 B
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ I& S# Q1 ~, g) B因為我是情感比理性強的人# R9 q2 a  k0 n" \( @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 z6 z* m0 }' t) O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% @: H$ }+ V' H% p5 f9 H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 i3 r. j$ Y5 q( \+ X/ `What a statement we have here?; [, v$ a) i. W8 H3 d

' ]7 W4 g5 V' i9 a( V+ `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : M2 i4 d( W: i

$ \/ Q6 D6 x8 ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 A2 [1 [; h% V1 K, ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& r: [  _7 s3 f6 W3 o0 l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. z/ V5 Z! s# e! r" B* O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- y% S7 L' B+ d8 @6 j' ^"不信也沒損失"
6 `/ ^, T3 Q$ DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 S( U* x6 B/ y% u# y% V: C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 d/ c7 j5 g  `; wit's starting because we have sins......% i% E3 C3 e+ x4 x  B, g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ y3 h8 a. q: bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ D) D- q' Q$ X/ v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 \! S5 Y% o& i5 A; m* W" }, n0 Z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. i* }; F; k2 _4 f4 \/ g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! y" {8 M$ C% @. n: R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: j4 s$ g8 \. L6 J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; Y% |% Y  q3 `0 e% ~4 d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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3 L# I5 F6 O; c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# X' B! r/ M7 j) n7 N1 o: ?; n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, C7 a! X+ m5 W" p0 h7 \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* [9 D$ B6 l- O( }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( o5 H2 P3 ?3 l, Z4 M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: }5 j) }$ p3 O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ k. G5 K& g7 x0 d4 Q9 o* o  f6 X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, |7 T& X8 Z7 }3 T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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: S4 P. h1 \& XRegarding the resurrection....4 I/ X5 p$ J* ?  X- u

, ?, v# W% o9 f5 q5 K' m5 vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 ^9 t% ^0 B  v3 ]; V; H; a. f

6 B. n3 w  N( ~% d7 i# n% v% f# rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.