Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  D0 Z. x: }* y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" ^* |" K3 R+ R2 g/ O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ F% k1 h% J- C7 v8 U道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: Y1 ]7 V/ h  s) H) z" k3 B3 K- I
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 Z( i5 P! {9 S; X% M) C
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) U: ]2 S  T1 e. b' u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, J5 E+ G5 b4 T# C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 J; }) n" I( r  }
真的!!這不是反話  Y' r* N1 c, n5 |" D( x; [' r
因為我是情感比理性強的人, m: M9 P/ ]$ S# a4 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ h% I( N: @0 v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' b% y& L# d2 V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; _8 y: M" d$ W" R) B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: @, C4 k  r- M3 P4 ]* c& z4 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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$ I! P: o' T/ lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - G/ a5 n! a) I& P

! n- K& K; Z" I& W- OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 r  }$ k  u$ F$ [& ~

/ Y; i" b- z1 ~$ eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 ^; v1 F. I/ [5 ]$ j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# ^& x& s) @+ Y: j8 w' E"不信也沒損失"
* y; J8 U& V+ f4 EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( r$ q% O2 Q  j+ Q  z5 W3 Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 L9 D! D4 o. A# E

! Y( C' ~8 F" |, w' b7 \it's starting because we have sins......
2 L, A% C! {- i8 X1 S* D! c' X; ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) v4 f% {8 B5 m/ ^7 k  N& _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  V& T6 [8 h4 i' R4 G+ n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- D% y' e, J6 U6 k, u( h5 O. N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  F" r) P  X: G- R! x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," Q9 V2 i3 x/ w0 X( A+ j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- W% d3 g$ c' v' y3 y2 C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 v; l" h7 ]" y' N2 o, u8 N

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ Z9 V7 I2 U2 ]0 M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- {& S+ a6 M  P' y
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以下是其他人的見解,0 C" H+ g, L3 F8 r* C- \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. p! H* U; ~, a) b( P5 E% r2 [  z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! ?& T, U* T" T4 G7 K6 K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  m& t% y. G3 E" B
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% F6 @" `2 \% n; z/ X" K4 j& d% ^.............信耶穌... ...

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( }1 k( j8 X4 h/ e4 }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ ~; n# R/ G2 W9 q; `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.