Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 K# Y' F( k, F6 @  h我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 u( _1 l) u/ j$ |# V! p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% \, D1 w/ Q' D5 h道理我知道好多只係做吳到( _! B" g: s( ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' w/ |$ j+ W' c) J: s- KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 i' I3 J8 U' Z$ fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ ~  x6 i: E2 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 y: r8 q! v% estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: \( ^+ s* H( L0 t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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( D1 n9 {2 Z3 v9 h' X3 w& ~真的!!這不是反話5 m+ R- P, A4 a" ?. W% V- d1 g6 r* ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 R& C' ]9 @0 ]( J$ t8 I* T, ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 |, c! Q  h) e; J6 d" @: r" _  B# @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ I0 k7 d! {; W; N) M6 O; E# L! z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; c  \4 k' S% Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 r+ @  k( C- ~& [* D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 }4 ~# ?4 P* \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 |5 |8 p; P2 p+ o( _; j% a4 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 [' x/ b: y0 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- f4 {( L2 _/ j. i0 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
- s2 I& z& o( M, P* Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + W: @6 K* V7 X! G1 }' _3 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& R- \/ ?+ g! {+ h1 e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 B. i# }7 B" |! H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 B* p) E' Z, l. J1 X* z5 v" T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) U% [1 \" e, @1 |9 f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 U7 N6 L0 T: i# r5 ^) S4 d$ F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ L) B: U; Z9 m% I( I8 A# q( P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," T6 N0 k9 v* O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 a7 G7 Y8 f- J0 r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" p! Q3 d7 l0 e3 _0 E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! M9 H! Q5 Y5 `! V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ @' E' i( u# U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 n! O" {2 E" F( s

( z1 ~7 n0 }! K8 ^+ N; x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" p! B2 D7 m  \/ C+ |0 b; x+ F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& T! o8 a5 T" g' A% `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ Y9 ]5 G; E. u3 f3 u4 w.............信耶穌... ...

% `$ s+ \6 d4 ^Regarding the resurrection....3 H! Y6 P/ e% A) d  m2 W
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.