Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 K7 ]& H8 Q7 M- V5 s" o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ B$ c8 m5 f& j8 e" L8 ?7 e" W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* q, J+ O& X8 A5 F2 v, Y' W" p8 b. v道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 s# I* j* }) m5 y. g' H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 j+ P2 \  L  {

* W% \. H5 N4 V$ H$ Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 T2 w  d/ @% gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: S; ~/ ~9 N" _+ ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# W6 d8 j' V- C0 q  a  y" X+ q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& A. V6 I# T, m9 X
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( i0 l6 n: u- h' Z( o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 F- S$ Z, p! o1 |! u# t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; {1 v* W  _/ L: p6 }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 U! N$ _' J3 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 ?% M8 ^& |2 x! ]: |9 q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 S8 x- {8 N$ m- a% ~# X

5 z7 @: K; z* C( X, V, _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% G  r  J( w' M& ]# Y' O2 b

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  ^6 q2 a5 r' X+ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 \+ t) h3 |  U"不信也沒損失"
2 m$ G' W+ f) k+ ^0 N6 P/ f" aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 J/ S" p$ G4 {+ ]$ W( @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 ?' Q/ E% [& P* l& g

8 B/ R9 |, @1 }9 |4 fit's starting because we have sins......1 m5 F0 ?  Q9 f# l( g4 f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 E  T& M6 |( q! j( A. oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" a( {1 l- q$ u( j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 M# T7 Q: [; H' j* ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 J, k) I# Q7 v( p" j4 Y! L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( f+ m7 q3 w) N$ j

, O! a3 Q6 Y6 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. ~0 D! }1 l/ q4 S; V; N: q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: {' D  z: P4 N( N1 V$ B+ Q. D

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 ]- |8 w% Z1 c7 r0 F2 j1 R8 E4 B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 ?- ~" J& a& _' C

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: _9 ?4 R. ~- Y- w" G% k) e! C2 F信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 ~; X8 f8 [: i, ]2 T% d: ]以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 E3 r. O; G+ ]: B+ ?  d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( b6 ~8 g7 m; l! D* y( ]$ R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 v4 f- U4 }7 u  Z+ O. Z

! j' f, ?4 V8 h, ^8 e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' U7 b3 P* Z9 l$ i( i* p.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( P5 {$ i! j9 H/ L0 I: ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.