Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# ]; ]5 u: d! H) X2 X+ f3 I0 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ @* {, B7 q5 D" P, Z5 H8 F0 X( B. o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: d# x  _! B  b0 P" n5 f$ R
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* O5 N" z$ _& T5 i8 B3 M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

8 h& q* u8 w9 F) p1 L
9 O1 R6 U7 x& N' mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
- Z" ]3 g5 h0 ]% r; f) ]& E* x4 ~; B  S1 m  x7 \
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
/ D4 `8 D* A5 V- c0 r- `2 V0 l, o! s6 X- l9 C  H& v0 d
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* w- c' [- \1 D% `- W/ p

2 t* @# x/ J3 I) t2 E5 d% `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- d; j" `% G* t! a8 }& V: [+ R' O0 Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 V7 k' @+ G9 ~( ^4 L7 [7 ]# g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 m9 S3 T  v6 v3 }! B) r5 W
真的!!這不是反話
5 G8 d/ B/ h# [1 K0 }因為我是情感比理性強的人
+ \7 L. W2 e' _1 e$ W/ Q1 h7 Y8 N所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% f3 P' R" f9 u' Q/ W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 C- ~- {+ B: P! I( Z) M7 \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., s  @. `& K& L; j+ J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  G. \8 H& r. [) L" W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

4 v# Y! K) T) f3 m( I

0 {5 G6 [! E( M9 p) jWhat a statement we have here?3 C, o3 C6 L: C, B8 Q6 |

. }9 F) c" x* Z9 m0 x2 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 o6 _7 G0 q; i8 `% B
- {% f1 G9 M/ k
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 }2 D; a+ |$ s& m
. U, O6 g- [; V; W' v3 g
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
  U8 C& o8 v- y4 g$ i
  G9 A' q6 [6 C  X2 D:cool:
0 s8 F- \& o7 A$ a- N; h. o4 p7 m6 [; F0 w
[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 C3 A! Y; I& u; |0 u% X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

" B' O1 q" V/ s' }/ \/ T% E
* g6 |5 R+ }4 L' T5 i
"不信也沒損失"# C0 a( j* f% q# I: l, T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 z# @5 m% P  I9 T7 t- k4 E0 Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ [4 q: e9 `" D9 N! t% _- z/ i
& U* J8 Y& \+ L8 y
it's starting because we have sins......
# w- q7 K; ?3 i8 \& S8 `! H* Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 ~3 P: J4 {/ M# [9 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: [  G& o( {* O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: H# N& E- f% i8 {5 ~' B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 r3 Q' `. C$ K  [' O% C$ c+ u) v+ J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; A  S# e  x3 D: q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* m+ ?8 h/ p) W$ t4 N0 K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
9 C! v& [, N4 f& P- O1 C3 X7 j+ B
% s& E5 K! ]  R9 ^  J" B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 ~. q* \7 S8 i5 r4 p+ V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
6 ~4 x" f% W5 _# k& g* E& L3 x* d4 B) i* m5 {" r
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 x- i8 Z  F8 h4 G, \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' C: f) M- R, k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 a* v" K0 i( Y
& ]/ m8 X$ j; f) F8 }' B# ]
宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
7 |# v% E$ Q& ^! N5 W* {) T! c% F* Z+ |: N1 W
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! x' `- p: Y+ P6 d, m% G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' i, i4 E! ]. R- y  d* P5 e1 X
  a4 g3 X1 H8 b9 X9 |& W+ p
以下是其他人的見解,0 B# d4 r! M  l2 g$ L3 U* Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
- k8 E4 {5 K9 chttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 Y% L+ R: A9 W1 s

" O% n+ W; I8 S* q[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
* `( y' V, V6 a8 a9 L' _9 t' U: h; k. n
信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
$ c1 N, t4 _5 g  Y8 i7 H% E+ q# }, u1 A- b
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
  e8 R  u; k) F2 F' Z" K" D
3 I' e  X  @0 a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 u* ^# b+ y% i8 [  h# @

+ i  O. B: p$ J$ Q0 I' a( a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 Q. ]6 s, S2 `$ r6 l1 e! i+ x/ A- p
.............信耶穌... ...

# z1 N2 {* a. ^2 B) f9 G) p
Regarding the resurrection....5 u$ {8 h" S& Q2 _5 ^* e. Q, V

" q2 K4 A" i# a- h7 l+ V. V3 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! s# ^3 s1 e. C7 R
# s2 \8 L/ F- Z" S& f3 K& q0 ?
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.