Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) H5 @4 ~! t. P$ ?: R3 k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' K$ x, t0 y3 Q/ \又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 r" |. l( @1 ]. V' ]& _3 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到% |; O; J6 j$ o& v: a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 L1 I  W" L4 ], v' j; g8 ]6 }1 bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 N9 z8 W$ S$ V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 }/ ?6 r" \4 D4 q- G/ s4 u

, b7 P2 k/ x( j: l# J& gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: b6 L9 A2 j. l' Q% P% `; q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' ^9 a: f' [" o$ T1 `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: {; r( K  I1 ^0 n' }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, U8 b+ }# V. D! e9 ~; w5 `$ L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 E" F0 n( `+ c7 @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 V* ^, U& A, r- ~# {+ m  C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& N( ]: W3 P3 }( Y0 ]% r5 D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 T8 ~* a' T5 Y" n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 f, T" z6 \, p  S; h/ i

# W( `! I# G4 p( g0 s. E% J# DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 `: Z" U( z$ ?

1 K7 ~4 y0 m. m4 r9 c2 wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: H2 x0 Q6 d5 P5 z, o) a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ j. y! q; Y0 a; ?+ m) Y1 x"不信也沒損失"
- @# z8 A6 a) u( o* J5 O% c3 w: |1 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 l) V6 Q6 Z  i1 ]; hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ V5 a& R& f3 V9 L! @satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 e4 K$ `: [  s' T) X6 D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# I: i. E5 b: t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( U' j. E4 Q7 W& u# F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* N  c$ `$ E6 `0 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" s: d2 z: w& c" e7 t, p+ A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) _* K- K9 k+ i$ x+ S7 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: F0 A$ g) j2 X  r$ a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  {$ v& W& `" |: j  d/ _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ [, k6 }( H4 X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) q1 I! \; ^# c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: w+ S- l: }5 L; B6 P* Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," f3 j7 c2 V% A) ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 f5 Z, G& h# i6 k) X0 p" l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 \* t. R- T% O) {

* h* C" ?, ~) Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" Y; b; a  Z4 r2 }" h- }4 W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ B+ w8 U5 Q6 H.............信耶穌... ...

+ s- }; w; A( B, l* I) i( {Regarding the resurrection....5 g0 G2 V) Q" P: ?6 I4 }

- |( f3 Z3 T$ z- F3 T4 hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' m$ K5 W- c3 T+ Y  F

5 j2 T2 ?: _1 n- @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.