Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ R/ ~( [) U  w* C# w, U2 q3 }我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ A" K7 t  {' @5 N0 P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 H) L8 f6 ?" z8 x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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3 `' }9 m) ?$ I( C' C9 J) ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- ]6 j+ p8 q" z  a7 s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 U, x0 x) u% q; S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# {+ E3 R+ _* h
真的!!這不是反話
. O4 U, _5 j% j) c因為我是情感比理性強的人
  |2 n' {; [' |  F* _所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* j- y. z& c+ W- _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 y) C8 G+ `" d# {' m* t" S$ G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, d1 F4 G7 |8 }7 m7 ~# g2 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 ?' u( W' w! F" w

8 o3 G' t/ }' d, O2 \' GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ f  f5 q( F! T6 b2 h) p" R0 H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 v5 k  ]. c2 E7 o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 w% z: V4 n" `+ S' y& X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 I+ d5 F# Z0 h) u4 z- C$ P4 TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 h1 t6 n1 y3 }: v+ r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* t8 e2 M( [# H6 J1 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ F, M+ h- y* W! e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") q% X3 E" U: T! v+ z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) c5 J# z' e. U  [7 U* D7 L5 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 J; j$ `. h& r% C6 l; R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ t: U8 X' u+ {. Q- g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% O% b3 z  V0 ]2 j! P# F+ n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" F5 K7 K) c1 y4 ]# Z$ @

2 Z- b7 F* W9 f' Z* }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" d+ W+ U' P; ]: [; o) T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* n5 Q8 E6 m9 F7 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 x! \) X& F# [; m/ O0 c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ {( y; i" \3 |4 c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( ]) q- @  I) t5 U  B% m7 \3 S! n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ h9 h, V4 s/ [7 T* Z9 d. f

8 ?; h2 j7 w  o; X2 W: I+ F/ l! L以下是其他人的見解,5 v5 L- @) r# S; \+ A, ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- r6 C4 U( J- `, O& q% l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm8 U: b3 b+ P9 h' M

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  a3 Y3 Z) {8 A# p, z2 ]

$ K+ V. J: H! o  m$ Z4 a# b$ g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 p' V. G# J- A  f- _5 L9 ~$ [- n0 Z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ h4 Z! }) q: ^+ |0 V$ j

" [' d+ J$ L+ d. O; D8 ]; @# q5 A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) ]1 S" Z7 n+ v5 k0 x' N3 Q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* O% G3 m! I, X/ Q6 G; o
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 x2 s. R: C2 }% m* bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.