Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( R; @3 b  ~$ r; E$ x- z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% l% L1 U" i1 ~# b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- b) s" p' h+ c2 j3 n
道理我知道好多只係做吳到) O$ N* h8 P1 e: {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, N* x: r. u* x. u7 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ z. F: J# P* V) f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 m* l6 T2 w/ H6 E% m1 n) L真的!!這不是反話
$ o9 {% l8 d+ e* n* P因為我是情感比理性強的人, X( B" J: B1 |' h' {3 }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* z6 w7 Y% c/ {; Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( b0 W. @  N0 i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" @9 z% H$ T; r6 l# \2 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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) E$ H' c4 ~& g+ B. ], Q  CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ y$ b9 X; W6 Z0 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. F1 H( \6 t5 z4 l4 R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 L) R0 V4 s9 a- q9 O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 k9 X3 K( B$ o, P/ b"不信也沒損失"
7 r" ]* U! \$ `; M1 m* p, S8 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' ?" {4 @- x% n1 r+ ~+ s7 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 D# @) x' ]- J3 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: b' c5 B2 u) F$ h4 x. `* A& R9 ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ |1 L7 p2 K- `, H' F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ k4 S2 s1 U0 C8 z7 Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& z! I( Q. \9 i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- [, [- P4 r; Z: S# m( Z! v) ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; m  j/ ?* W4 w5 s$ _3 a8 {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# m/ N/ O- F8 P) u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% A! s- _4 T6 d$ N! _# H- i& P# b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 q$ W6 i- P0 m* F
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 \5 a6 ~1 g- J& }' |& \1 ~

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 w+ M" r0 @' k6 i) r/ A1 |- |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.