Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ o5 {5 T+ k% Y( X& G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 G, x7 S: R9 Z( M: `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 ^8 o+ ~! g. G7 x2 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  N8 E5 e2 W6 B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) Y$ F; \4 u0 ]* J8 [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
$ _5 {" B2 v, M5 `% l0 |因為我是情感比理性強的人5 S, K8 ?8 F; g/ z* s* k5 G0 R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% k' L6 A0 z4 B6 m+ @5 F" V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& Z( ~8 H0 }5 K; X) m/ `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ S: ?2 `$ Q, T; w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 I2 `/ P0 y+ I2 x& mWhat a statement we have here?2 m, G2 c+ l7 R2 Z

5 V3 F' `# ]2 w5 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 S( j+ G, I! U5 s

7 d; s% _9 y  U; N* z7 [$ W4 j7 FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 f4 ?& Z/ U9 \1 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ }0 b5 z0 O" R7 q) v8 s
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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; {- F6 i3 i5 o) L6 e0 |* g( P"不信也沒損失"
5 z3 V( H0 j: H* |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... _, q  h6 C1 R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 i5 v& J% @, Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . T- k. b3 v! G3 |6 d2 _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 g0 O/ M% j0 V5 _; S9 r+ d2 Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# o/ z5 r# @3 w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 `% m2 p0 s: {4 e6 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 c( y- Z, u, T( G6 V5 |4 o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, x( r0 N# z. |: ^8 z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" w& h, R7 V( h2 C6 z

9 ^9 d& n1 a. O# L& x. e) m& J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! ^; P9 i7 u, H( X1 _( P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 \& u4 Y$ H0 Z9 r; A# j

# [0 u) c. Y, L& y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 [; L0 p, }* p9 y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 p- N, }& B+ A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- x2 u! R4 S- U7 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," Y& X1 I" D! k: t5 }+ j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 U; z$ f; W6 _1 z! x以下是其他人的見解,+ @$ Z* a, C( N! o) l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% I/ S8 H% b7 t( h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 [# t2 _' S* z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 u* h% c; p! x1 \4 M1 N8 }.............信耶穌... ...

0 ^  Z: m/ r  P2 c  lRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 |( E9 J, b. J, l7 [
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.