Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- I) m  t+ ~. y6 u  v3 @我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ x$ ^! D/ u- B* o' G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 K3 f- R1 |. V8 C9 _- D道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% U) p# r) ?  H2 E+ _( w; n% b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ h  J7 e' `% R$ \  M: o$ yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; ]+ n7 m, T' e" h4 C  {

. e7 g# F; m3 V7 z7 r4 y8 |2 J, cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! a; h8 H. H1 h3 L. `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! e+ W3 N; M: U* z# ^: k7 o) V

1 h8 J( H4 m1 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 B+ {% k* p' A6 A% l9 H我只不過微小的基督徒..................., V' ~/ d. V; K. o5 N4 z
真的!!這不是反話- B+ a( U: a  O
因為我是情感比理性強的人, Y9 o* ]5 q/ B  w0 `* \; s( b9 Y* o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; r/ Q/ Z4 R# _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 Z. L! Y) W  Q; L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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) j6 C: P8 `$ R& z: j; e. N  Y4 ?What a statement we have here?
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+ H9 P6 ]6 N! f$ x$ s' tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" f; w( e: ]; @7 |$ y: hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; R! c2 _' U3 F  ^6 LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 y' @% w9 _+ s: u6 ?) S

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 H0 M8 {# p- o9 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" A$ u) l& L! M! o"不信也沒損失"
3 o( H1 N( G( I9 [3 i4 BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! n. H7 ~- L" k! T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% P  H. }! J9 B5 b0 uit's starting because we have sins......
0 z( e( [$ I( T; @; gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * Z, P! Z1 {0 u3 a+ i* ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 [. B# @' W3 x只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 \  B5 V& f; ~( \& u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. @5 }8 }- H7 W& ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 P" z5 R. F. O7 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( g6 l$ x0 u3 p# [# M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% h) I, B+ H  s( u  Y/ @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& \! u) _. r, `( x$ F, Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" p' w# L+ p0 Y, X: s+ ^6 ]1 A5 l改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ T7 {0 E! p8 d- b) `' {& a; K$ O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ T: u& O, t6 [% m2 T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) Q" q* C: M1 ^- M4 |4 y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% p4 K+ R  q: V; \: F$ }, C

& u( V4 a, j; Y9 q$ W8 Z6 W0 m2 C以下是其他人的見解,: I) g9 z* q+ Y) A! A4 v2 E6 P* P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, a; R$ @( ?" |0 {# P
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 w1 e4 w9 `, u! ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 |$ m2 B. P% m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! y) B0 ?/ S0 ^1 h7 ]- u
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' n0 v4 H5 P9 S' ?% M
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- w+ j7 m9 @( ~" kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.