Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 u( {+ q7 B7 S7 ^% ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) T8 K/ B. d4 o+ e! ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  e% m: ?5 \2 i3 Z; w* G" R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 s. J' v+ |) b2 f" ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% `% `) D5 b. m$ o! Q; v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 G5 {/ k: Y) w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 c3 X& K8 `5 @; \& d! N! W: S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ j. @  K6 F" u/ o/ _5 O+ u; C  `; g7 X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: a$ y. W0 K( C" Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# s/ d7 Z  ^& U- P% u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 y$ G8 A- p% M+ {6 j& XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 J' y  d. \. W8 Y1 m
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( L( h+ O" Z6 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* t2 A2 Q4 ]' g9 u6 ~/ |"不信也沒損失"
% ]7 }# k7 b9 I/ h) YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: S% z) [; S% Q8 ^$ z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- i$ g2 u+ l9 Z" F: X

+ {- g% A, g0 Qit's starting because we have sins......
7 d1 {, Y6 U( k( ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 F6 `: T; {& g9 J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 w2 U& r5 h- d* u- m$ Q: c# d2 e5 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," [, q5 n5 v0 o- X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; b. {" o, D% D. W* W* d
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' T0 ~  S4 z- N7 F* d+ ]1 o2 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 N! ]4 f$ v# |/ E! I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 \6 ~: C0 R& W' Y0 Y. I# q: b

  D) j% Y! v- I" g$ F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: C2 D  P. u$ P# A$ y% k/ Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 d8 g4 R- B3 \7 _3 m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, x- V6 @8 O1 k# B3 S% O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 T% P/ T& V( s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 O, E/ @9 d  o+ ]& V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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/ ~* e# _3 X5 u" Q1 P, Y4 w5 f$ c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# F3 w4 r+ L9 u3 \# O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! \" n( a" i1 p% y

" ~/ [. u0 G3 W( P. A! r  d9 ^! d以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 Z& v4 n( x" r$ U1 q

- m8 E8 ~; j; P4 l% Z9 V6 a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- B% |9 _. V0 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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: `: X) i& u9 r" ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- T  F, S# ]: |4 s6 n6 p, g! U
.............信耶穌... ...

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$ S8 Q* U3 c4 D5 v9 |2 @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 ?, y1 J; K6 F" n# V, y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.