Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& ~& T: F' ], d! I# n7 B1 M. r- @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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% N- Z7 [& @# T9 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; `3 {$ X% V5 ^. e! \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 G; E: B: F1 `$ P7 |) J

: E5 L6 A# v! kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: X  c! E" T9 d
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ |2 ^0 S8 m" ?3 h

1 u, C9 H4 P9 Z- v# }+ ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* J6 p9 B9 J0 _' `+ t/ B6 M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( L# d, S# @3 Z7 g$ a我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ X' t" t9 Y# ~2 r" t7 q' H! ^6 `
真的!!這不是反話1 ]8 z1 j% A' n& x7 j
因為我是情感比理性強的人/ `+ K1 k+ ~7 h6 f! I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 o2 h. W: h/ r8 a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* p" J5 ]" U4 F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ N4 g, [& b4 I' `; i- C# M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 I: H. l' u  v/ ^+ N* w

9 S! X1 q) F% K- P+ T! I( N$ j# d" PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 ]3 q9 z: U$ e! j) |9 z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ t% D. \, j9 S: [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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; C# s& I! y! Y4 d[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 W' \; f) |( H; G: G$ i6 g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 y0 P# i1 ^- J! D9 y) ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; u' H# M$ |3 e: S3 o. X) w' sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 `0 D# R$ b8 W! r& C2 f

% ]+ o1 @4 l3 q: w* N% q- sit's starting because we have sins......* ^5 c' X/ P# M' R0 L8 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 m( I7 _2 [7 F9 {" G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; }  `* N% n5 G+ P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! ^+ R( Y0 _7 N& j5 L+ o- {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 _) C# T! {( q5 P" }  V% y& M, a% t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" u2 P3 p1 i4 j8 n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" S; Y) Y. z2 o. k2 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 m8 J- t! N' @% a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. L" _/ F# {! f% N4 q. U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  [1 u3 _: z# n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 g5 D) E5 G, z4 E+ b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- W9 \2 s1 C+ G" M( W, z- F宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; j; ?+ `5 I# s% n3 I9 O5 F
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! {: x( q& u; E: b& p* g; N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
$ ^9 l. I  h, M1 i4 }% m+ Q/ ~看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) Z- y9 {! O( S
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: @1 U7 p4 m6 p, P. G0 f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 x: u  [* }* W3 {8 e

0 Q) s0 l- E# X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) A3 D  d6 {3 w8 n. k& [. j

  t7 O% W9 S- l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& b$ Y0 U2 d7 e. Q- o( K! N, C- J" @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' y; Q- H, E& C
.............信耶穌... ...

6 |8 o0 S+ s) Y+ |) r  O  aRegarding the resurrection....9 D# M+ I& Y7 P; C/ b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" R- Q! ?% Y5 jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.