Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ g- q* A& x3 k  e, Q& V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 @, n' Y8 ~5 N4 A2 p  q4 u

/ X. Q: H' e; O) A4 Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 R6 ?( s* }" L+ H; W: {6 O9 Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: B3 T9 E  j: Q; y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
: H- q5 Y, p9 M' }6 ]0 U9 @真的!!這不是反話
8 K+ G$ O- D6 v$ C5 O, a因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 e  J8 i! }( L3 a7 @$ ]) q& H. D9 h7 A0 z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! F' M* M+ s; {. i! c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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) }, B, ?- w: n& N) DWhat a statement we have here?. I: j* e# b6 m  H; V9 ]( ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& o. r5 H6 X+ h0 w  zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 Z9 j9 {% j( d. F/ N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) t. x  ?' K: |
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ B) g/ p4 }& T# ^; j- N) u3 R& _0 j0 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* Y* i& W$ _2 o+ ~7 R' J& D& G) c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 ?/ n: L  \- A: [0 a1 N0 v+ ?* D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 c$ E1 o+ p9 F
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it's starting because we have sins......6 P& Q5 J% n, l+ h6 J9 S5 p+ Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": P2 S$ e0 ~- r  \8 d0 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 z+ `3 R1 s; v5 \, C$ ]* q3 D+ o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  ^' K+ u. S2 o8 f' W' p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 ]6 |* P, H6 u( {2 U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 z2 I) S! V% q/ q5 v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) _( a* w7 V1 C, K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# Z# }, s1 N1 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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( c, @, |% p) n7 c$ s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 t: R/ m' B  l+ M7 B" i0 P
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ E! x) z1 y2 {$ D) b/ w
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 o% a  _3 r9 L8 T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 X2 s! g1 c3 A) n

8 \5 n$ `. [" q) N0 N& \* K1 p以下是其他人的見解," {1 a) ]0 ^# l! l  D0 j  [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, @% y( }; T% }6 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 A, {3 `8 b4 n7 M' }* z

8 v3 y( H8 r9 x. j( b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ U% G3 A' f& W8 z  \3 [) A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: j* r+ d$ z( J4 M, n7 `.............信耶穌... ...

+ D* i0 ^6 o8 t* o$ F! F: |Regarding the resurrection....4 r5 G) {4 b! ]! P  y. t

! R2 o. j% F# U- @% fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 ~9 y8 \( h5 d/ S$ O+ ?

' P& |; I2 s$ Q3 @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.