Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) @! X( ?. `) \: g) Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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9 z0 C# F- T3 b# V" e: v+ iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 m6 a0 {2 c8 u8 r* z" V+ Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- A6 H7 T: n: G* H( t3 t9 |

9 V$ W9 z4 J/ [$ X7 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# o% `* Z$ i: Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: j% l* }# D0 O3 H- p7 [, |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 ~6 M4 p# I' |( m, Q% k( X6 q- E/ o真的!!這不是反話
! e  _& Y/ ^6 S& J因為我是情感比理性強的人' D/ ^; ^0 E* G0 `% n* J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& ^+ T9 ^# k0 |% ~5 c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 i3 Z) [: X1 z  S& R+ X2 j- O" A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 G6 m( g4 z4 I5 A0 k% n' E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , o" k* X' S( d4 _: s: X

1 {" H0 w: y, Z5 k: Y  R* m- SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"  N( M8 d( ~- L  z7 D4 O% V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: E# p; z) u( N* h" q0 [! @- wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." d$ U9 _" R2 s# H

6 F7 L3 C2 l4 d1 i7 G# m5 y0 yit's starting because we have sins......
) @+ J# `1 Z8 p9 ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! a/ i+ b. }8 z; O; Y. W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( I$ D. M' [6 M/ K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 r' S) h) ?3 @6 d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" D' Y6 @9 j5 @$ X# q. g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 P1 }* b; [0 U) t$ O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 i: S3 n$ Z  u3 ~/ \7 `, w1 F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 P& ^- m3 W1 G* l; s# m

0 y1 u4 T2 v5 k" o$ A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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" X' r% E' K9 ?7 l: i) ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* \* b! E* E+ w( _; G) C% u6 J

: Z$ e( k, V4 e( I! C$ a0 q7 g3 `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" k8 L  v6 m: s9 b8 O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ B1 K& J3 ^' p1 x4 {# r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ U1 a; j# g. r3 ^( O" ^( p! Z7 g6 Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 C. ~9 f  I( z/ V8 x# L

+ B" j3 L7 e0 f8 K7 r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# `& f2 \( \0 r+ |- b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 l, I* u3 Q) F0 e.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ U" O+ Z& ^2 M6 ]1 z7 ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* ]$ k! q6 T5 v, Q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.