Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, ^1 j( d/ s( Z2 {3 u3 p% {+ \( b0 U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 l  m# a  h: t- P( d8 l+ C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 b, c0 v. z) Y6 n2 _! H7 y  |/ k; G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 W9 x7 E; Z" P  A7 z) A7 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  f& e* O, K; P5 l# K+ P8 I. _: Z) [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 p2 m1 ]1 `& p3 u/ c& d. vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( `2 |& K7 k" [/ z2 q  }
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! p9 b$ L; D$ m, {, K! W! U9 x
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 Z! s6 t9 R; `4 f7 P7 F- ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 j1 k  q" o: o( N" @我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ c' k4 v7 x4 i7 d1 \( G, A( R# A; W
真的!!這不是反話5 k0 @- Y$ n$ p0 G2 m* ?( t* ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人
" k0 q1 `% d) {  @$ s; c( \- S8 c& @2 ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 s, Z3 n8 q0 n, L9 Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 e$ p0 W1 G. k) ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., z1 C( c7 i4 m) S8 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ y9 ~+ `$ l9 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # P7 @% j; Y( l+ O: Q

# n( I- S% Z6 z& wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., I" a7 O; R. {2 m% P8 w, A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# h. q; g+ C6 Y% I- k4 U' `
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"$ z, I8 @& @8 V/ b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 ~+ ?, _1 w: ?% W# m! b* Y9 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( x. W  m" L4 D- e$ S0 ~! Ait's starting because we have sins......
+ w* P. _, A' s) `) N5 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 @0 s- O1 Q* _- K0 {2 t2 iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% |, X/ _4 q' r/ s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 J# n: C. e7 M% u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 B) S  p9 U" }. _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ v* K0 L% C& p' o6 P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 P; a- f& g! C/ U" p  k5 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 i5 q/ Q" _: q/ Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! c3 ~% G: J: B( B" ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: k7 h+ p: ^+ e& h" A: Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 b$ Q! E7 p& F' F0 H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- }* w+ E* L- P  X3 z; m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) j! _+ \& z4 X' l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( [" c) I6 E; k: n7 K3 U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 B3 t# y, B( X: \1 p; d* m

! H7 ?" {6 k! U0 v以下是其他人的見解,$ z4 `; }: n/ p: _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 m: k8 {  F0 Q; S# a) j- W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  ]* x& f7 r. t6 `" x

# [( v9 c) F( i7 C+ t5 D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; g* Z9 h  F2 f8 r' \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, Z; ~! W1 Q$ Z2 m1 s

# I% j9 h6 S# U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' K+ |" ^; W( F( K& }
.............信耶穌... ...

0 s, @: t! ]/ S- \" |5 HRegarding the resurrection....
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! }  W8 L* n; V: P. _9 P% x% kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 l: a# _6 z. ]2 W( ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.