Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 S! u* U- _) M' V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 g3 ~, l9 Q/ \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' W9 W0 I6 T: `, I' J3 l$ c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 _* r0 U! U, ]; X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, |: }5 d5 _5 D: H, u" J. `/ }

. T2 ]4 I: [; `- y0 yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, u# Y" R2 }3 d, \+ Q' [+ Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) V& p( z8 R8 f0 k: k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! Z4 D8 W; O! W! n) a8 W. X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; t9 k$ {/ m4 i) f
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 |5 ~5 g, e$ j; s7 \; p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 i1 ]8 ]$ m0 p; |9 i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; a2 }) [; b4 O  q: e  W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ l& u0 I$ U+ r3 R7 b6 J) U) L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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, r! Z) r& O& ?" E* [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" V5 q8 ?  T1 X' g9 y9 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( r7 b! d7 s% C: B$ q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* @4 P* r; h* z; z3 {

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- x* v8 p2 P. u" u; c2 g' x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, a9 w6 T6 o* U"不信也沒損失"
" I8 O: |& L. x! h6 rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ H) S! G$ B3 K- A4 V6 J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......9 w$ ]8 b; P7 [  g: a! o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 y& c3 p5 v6 J/ k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ Z/ P$ S3 L) P) g! h2 i0 ^, F) w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) T- r4 N% d8 U, G& M! r; V- @! Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- i* \' _  {  j' B  \& [% S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 y' D# k. S, x2 e2 v" S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 t: W* Y- S& x+ Z; n# x% K4 s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# |: `/ A: h0 x+ v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. U' J1 ^$ i! Z+ O" T4 z: s6 C

$ }' A( e$ J* ^" y# D/ ?/ y' j; H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# I8 @: Y6 \" v) G9 g1 G5 [# S宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 E# l5 f1 s( ~( W# P- n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: z9 B  j5 _) ?  {  S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 I( @! U& y4 R. ~3 ~7 {  }$ G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ f5 p& n- |9 l: e7 x3 O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. H2 f' C  a5 h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) n; I' p8 _2 P& V; c7 |' |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: ~! b: Z& O9 U# O& i& A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ v9 J9 m7 G2 C# k' h& H. o) m

& \/ Q+ r! B- T( Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( Y, u7 G  z- X; c4 _1 R( a6 ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& ]6 P$ V% [& sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.