Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 _4 P/ E, M, i2 x! ]) ~" O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# [" a& A8 H+ N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! N4 P' p; f- V- x, ]: N4 j

* O  n$ T( ?3 r* iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! A& Z2 ]8 l! \+ B8 l  s. G- r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 Q- I# B8 U  i: W% K/ K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. D% |0 Z) W+ _* V7 B7 _3 M% U, R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 V6 \5 \. R0 l; F) Z
真的!!這不是反話
, D& m& P0 |. ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 C3 F7 ~  P  n4 Q2 W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 K  O$ v  a/ U3 }4 S% ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- r5 I$ ~5 x) ^; s+ n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 `- d/ s3 \* OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. r+ d( Z/ ^/ y, @' `8 k( \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& K6 P6 H( G0 T; h7 l* ]" n

! p8 d" p7 _  Y- O% eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) e' p/ j( P$ ^6 K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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3 I1 }4 Y  }3 J, F) zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& ]5 g2 n) P+ j; x+ i

! O  {# T+ }! F% S; zit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  k2 k7 ]7 L8 }" n, ?只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 h: a, h+ n9 J' a( w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  J* r7 s3 j- D7 m4 n. c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 A6 E1 P4 g0 z3 r- S& k' F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) g4 Z# W4 b4 h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& A6 _% N: J/ T: X: i* a
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. a, I: {/ O0 a  Y- i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: ]1 ^2 G6 m' k8 D/ d% R

6 R, P. _3 s( n- O3 {3 Y% }& F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. d5 m. D1 G" ]$ ]" S; ~+ l" u8 Q( m宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 M3 ^3 j( y* D; n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  i4 r% g/ g) X6 j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% W# w$ g8 [  k) G* ~: W# S5 U/ W
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& s, \& G6 W, i; c2 H6 ^
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& V2 C4 }# F3 }+ z/ v2 \+ F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" Q/ n" V3 g; z: ~0 E

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( t- \/ u7 J  `+ P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* N+ ?9 K$ z. K  Q

5 L: c/ P/ m! R1 K. ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' h, s8 w: f- Q# d0 D1 ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.