Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 O/ {$ x9 q; q" s: o- r我係一個連自己都吳信的人' b( d3 P; t6 {0 y) ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 S3 f) h- K1 x+ S9 D, i道理我知道好多只係做吳到; n9 D) k9 B* N# l: @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( U& e: G: c8 Q( Y# i: XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& n+ q5 O% |8 H5 ^$ Q! Q. [- }

, q8 q2 j1 Y( S5 C" HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 i, _8 i" [& O* K) w* o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) H) d! L8 H& l  q# [& F7 b
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, u& K9 u$ X0 h& O1 J/ ^2 |2 c4 I6 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ U0 E9 y9 L, ~/ q9 v我只不過微小的基督徒...................' i2 E8 |! d! R& k: i  J
真的!!這不是反話
6 h3 \  x1 s1 Y. a) k6 M因為我是情感比理性強的人; F# b% T/ w4 T9 E7 o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- Y  F( r& q: L8 p5 [* K8 w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* @9 L5 R8 ~. }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 ]. s8 o0 @4 l4 ~0 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, P4 O) \6 b. U7 F$ V/ tWhat a statement we have here?
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" i: @9 x% u" v9 @Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   r- g$ w, W( P! k8 V6 ^/ U$ |
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 Y1 ~0 ~2 J* C& a/ J+ h% [$ Z5 p& G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" K/ L8 ]9 E* GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ q3 J# T$ O# f* h* K. P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; U! h1 V- P' Zit's starting because we have sins......
9 L1 c# Z; Q' W6 X5 m* H  N# ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 a0 Z% M* s% I% u& K, c3 l( iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ P9 ^( S; O; q1 M/ J& K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 m) @9 V5 J9 I& j" T$ d' Q" d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- q! I- t* o8 D6 s  ^$ D; E1 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; d8 W6 {/ H& ~6 E# t4 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, t+ p7 u' j0 E) o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 g, n  p' `) F# t8 {- V
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# T0 ^7 O6 o3 D9 W1 T$ e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# L5 X5 w, t1 C) Y; `+ w; Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. F$ X5 k7 U/ i2 s$ g. k! r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ o% L8 c; ]3 I5 W5 k) S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! H1 Y* v$ ?1 k$ L) Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; Y+ g3 D, T5 _6 {; h6 {( `% ?信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% n! @/ z2 X! ~5 h- Y! l; ?

" F3 M- k( [: s以下是其他人的見解,
. Z) J2 P7 V+ l9 _1 n- T3 w$ Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 i& `6 w$ q, h1 K3 Q7 L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 I4 `; T6 i5 ^2 x* K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. i/ `& \& {/ z* H1 g8 j

( [1 G( |  ]+ X$ }$ L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* o, X" X, `) G: r6 a& y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 l9 k4 D3 i0 s

! v( J" T  Q. S1 s$ |6 A% P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 e1 w5 x' k9 v, U: j! [9 }.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 w# x1 e% o5 U2 k# k

; E( Z( |4 M" F. `+ PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* m; M; x* ~/ T# [9 I. O3 G
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.