Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% T: m: Z% I) z8 i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! R6 K( B% S5 }8 a: s' }" L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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# `4 {3 {% ~  l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ N2 t! B, U, ]& t2 V! {6 Y9 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ w: D9 M) K5 O% y" W0 z2 v
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 l2 @4 @6 U( ]% @0 _
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 U4 P; j' B3 f+ R7 f/ K+ A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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+ O6 @# n' s- T3 s因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 n3 \! W! {: ?* p8 A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  `  }+ Z9 M& X9 ~6 g: I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 O  u" m+ C3 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." c& J( R2 A! U- ?" f) c: ^3 O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, r- S7 e- }/ ]/ M' P" s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 K8 a+ p4 }4 M4 Y/ J4 _7 JWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 M( D9 P, V* h* X, {2 oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& f* ]3 C& H# X/ X+ z- g: W, t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, q5 s; W2 o% j$ O' P9 a# V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 b. e8 s. F2 q# E7 o0 @"不信也沒損失"
# X- @4 x* _7 I, t  H6 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... a1 k+ H. F  A/ V' c& a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 F! O! z4 d" M. w- j* G% Kit's starting because we have sins......
" w$ i# e! b) Y: nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 x' j$ p# [! E& y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) }4 u* F5 r1 n$ w8 V- J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 c9 {$ ?0 H8 L: U0 P6 ~8 I* ?  _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) s; X9 s7 C9 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! J- W6 f9 O+ b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 }) f! A$ t7 X7 ?5 h. l+ U4 W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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' c3 g/ h% `% W0 u% F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 R. O" |9 h& P

; Y; l0 z! h  J7 \: V以下是其他人的見解,5 ]3 x1 [7 l% |7 q8 h* o& [/ O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 E8 ]* b. c9 J* F
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& T  |8 ?. w( w8 E( }# d  B% Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- U: V0 e$ U9 u$ ^& p/ [

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# w3 p# S- U8 i9 A# g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 a4 k+ u% u4 A$ ^+ a4 l) t1 @0 T/ ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 o. v' w& I$ Q! H4 C7 \! c

' {! B& M$ b2 x( A) lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.