Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* Z+ B" D, W" M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到( s% q% @4 }% @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" w4 D1 {+ [+ m/ B+ A% g  N6 JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- c& O. m. H* }( k& N) y  Z8 Y1 ~" Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) ~4 ~- z* C( C' Y' q+ f* @
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: Y; a7 ?; t( A/ u4 k( l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 X, E: k7 |, u+ E- h' j' Z' {% i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ Z6 S  B: O( U( E6 j$ s
真的!!這不是反話
! R+ p% o( ~9 U- a因為我是情感比理性強的人; L" z9 N' \! Y7 V  Q3 v
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 z4 R: w. C  w! R' j0 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, ~9 C$ b) H/ V; J& o& V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 G! p& z! I' x! B. q9 K5 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  Z+ f5 v' x0 S* p+ f7 y7 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 n7 G7 \3 D+ }# R9 M" t6 i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 X" ~% J8 P. \0 nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- U+ M& S+ A. N& d" y, Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* D+ O0 i% u2 W' f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! P' [: n  K: n7 c" O! A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 D% ^; v& \7 F2 `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ e7 ?. _0 e2 E+ \3 S' V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 P7 n9 H5 V  g0 [; @+ S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# N6 t5 V8 M( q% T, B) ?1 E
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' [! t/ Q2 @/ J& y' O. v( y9 U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, J( j$ q7 h: o0 }+ J

+ K3 j5 s: ^; n2 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 H7 O& \8 E2 t- j/ \+ Y$ w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ U1 z! q1 q. Z) F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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& u9 z, Z7 R. L4 _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 {3 `; x4 C  E# U' M, S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. L4 e4 p0 a4 S$ K以下是其他人的見解,
8 S& i( h, @/ y( _& x看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) \- J4 D* `/ w' Z2 i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 u8 j; N0 y. Y* d! @- k& U& I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ V& c3 b% h" b2 rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 K- V0 a% F( ?

1 p8 u! M! T& e& g9 j9 wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.