Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, _* ?6 h( C+ \: o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( u9 k( w; ]- P# d7 f3 h道理我知道好多只係做吳到; N" m" J; i( m. J. I5 B, h- C/ j& X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 [4 n! q2 d7 }$ LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 i  j$ `& U7 Z' d. R3 tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  l2 ?3 _+ F- F% }1 c我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ~! W, u* C$ m
真的!!這不是反話$ G. D- z3 D4 V6 F. h. G& H
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 T6 W5 U  i& A, `; F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# Y; S" N) s, q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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% C5 g1 J  a6 f* t- g; O: }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) D5 x! G( q! |" l2 W& |5 t5 M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 G4 Q5 z% L9 B* W" S1 b# c$ U* t' F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  x* I( c% O9 X) G' V( O( E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ a, }: [$ m' q4 F3 p, R9 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 t! ?) |. u$ g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ C, R6 c4 ]4 @2 q8 Z7 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! F9 }! e3 u7 a; b7 O# \it's starting because we have sins......
0 o* v9 |1 Q* Q+ @2 L7 T9 Z& c5 Vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 {* ~5 H+ S% U" B" d/ _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ f0 C) s6 r  D3 H2 a2 H2 t

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! s! ?# Q1 k3 x+ z: A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 K/ x4 u( E1 `/ m

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  D9 n' W% @; E) r3 ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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) \1 o: T, |( o% I4 `9 yRegarding the resurrection....
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8 u( {1 Z. j( H' JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) w/ }4 V& {$ w$ ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.