Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  q# s: e0 ~, p* Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 \: [2 K: D+ ?' w1 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 ?+ W+ X5 t! L3 @6 i$ m: f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 A( B6 p2 p7 z) m5 b& D8 a呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) k. ], A: k! _: ]6 L# }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! e! i; b6 q5 t) W% W7 W: q' c

3 N! `6 D0 @. e, T0 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: M5 k' o& A  v) ~& y6 t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ G  \$ b' D8 e" B- {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 n- P3 R" l1 {, Z
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因為我是情感比理性強的人' d$ {7 I  B, M% `6 G% ~% |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# A+ u8 Q+ e& t/ V# W  ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 ^5 Z& P+ r  G7 P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 p' `6 A/ d" X5 h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 b4 a! ]) |0 ?" t: z: D  T3 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ B4 ?  b) ~- aWhat a statement we have here?2 o2 e, T9 L9 B1 [2 u

! s: o  v, C2 T7 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) k; v2 V' A7 p! f9 E' Q

  U2 `- u: p  P; ~: s3 AI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* b( c: E/ E0 e% [3 n/ ~1 ]3 ~0 y' L
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' s: D7 @( c( T8 `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# C# E) D# @9 c* X* i; Z+ oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 `. M( j( h& e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 @) U, n1 G% G: s( Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( |5 s, d; [! i) s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 r- _5 o, ~( m6 U, `" r+ H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' ~& U+ ?- R: K6 h+ @; [9 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 D& K1 I. }7 X7 P3 h! {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% u- l: j2 Z$ Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ Q1 L! b! |! v% _- A$ ~. e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( i3 J0 A1 a& z( c) [, E  v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 T% G  C/ S6 ?( `9 @1 b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# ]( \3 Q/ b% r/ C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ k0 U* [1 J3 k/ _4 a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* c9 E- I) C4 Q6 q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 p" d5 l6 c" E) q) s
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 P. D, X1 R! h/ ~7 r4 L吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, ^4 l0 |2 j: t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 \1 Z8 m  _0 O$ m4 S以下是其他人的見解,
( l6 D6 L, u) N9 h1 E' S# _; y7 g0 a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ l) |' @. B' f/ e
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: `: a0 \& n( v# N" P0 f  v- X- k( f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, M# O1 m) C3 K8 K" p1 [# E
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( y3 k( \; C9 ]. [$ q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 i$ \& H+ N0 g! f+ |* u* t
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 s' X. z5 w4 T: A9 k: a8 ?/ U1 P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( q5 \9 Z0 N& L! W3 _1 F

  W5 f* }6 r  X6 K* r) xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: N6 v  w* A- g4 e- O/ D7 HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.