Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, o! d" \3 I3 @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ e7 U: ~" k# r8 x( p4 o2 k) n, b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: y& b+ D; S9 V6 N; u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* `( o: |: m+ M. G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 }- h% S, I4 T+ `0 D" g# q( o8 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 [/ l: y! S& t5 N0 F' l( w, z9 q

* \; p2 L* e9 ]% z8 v7 O, j! z9 rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* |  I, [$ }8 P. t; d& C0 C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: a  q' \% m! u- O我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 F, u) P- w8 {& B4 [7 {# z0 E9 |
真的!!這不是反話
  ~: S" F) j7 W( s+ K/ w5 }, q因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 {( Q. K! m  N# y7 m2 {% `9 _所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& _/ |6 B# \1 t  f. y. }' ~# Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! g3 ?+ B# M( K7 o3 M, t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& j9 e" S! i/ r4 f# k& G% g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 O! ]6 r7 c, l, H+ T4 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ _: h) J: B, U- }1 s% ~/ S+ RWhat a statement we have here?! N0 b8 C5 |  b8 c; y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ _) R9 H5 w9 a* ~0 T. ^, ?. YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., m8 D9 o" ^, H2 b3 o' m9 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 A8 _1 T. y* i) b/ \" w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' |0 h& b: q. f1 _7 z- f! Y"不信也沒損失"
6 \  B' F  n2 b9 _- aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 D" {3 b/ t! F/ ~+ lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ r3 j* C6 ], x

7 F) s, b8 T/ A; X) T, Git's starting because we have sins......0 I6 V8 H. _5 _# v" T; v$ C5 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, T, J4 ^! Z- W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 t9 r9 D) N; H% O* N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, O% _7 G3 k  x+ `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 R7 y4 r6 Z  e0 c- C3 z1 r

$ U, m  l' {7 l7 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# n/ k- y* s8 k2 M3 |) P5 v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- [  a# G$ K. m* g. z* ]

' E$ k; f5 g1 |. Q; `. k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 w7 J' N' u/ b4 x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  O; N- `& C1 }! E4 s( t6 ?7 a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ Z2 B$ j3 W0 `; u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, D0 s  z- b4 s" O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- T( n2 P) s( O- w) \3 ~. {1 x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ C! W3 E7 N3 N( e. D3 u

7 C1 l& s( L* k# e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 t, m  Z5 }* H, O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  E% L+ R' I9 c+ Q2 ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 O% t3 W$ j) U/ A& H- R/ }, ].............信耶穌... ...

: ^' ?9 \4 P; P% ]. {3 u' K% x* yRegarding the resurrection....* h# U; y8 O& L  K
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.