Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! p' w  [2 _1 i8 t$ ~/ J我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 T  `9 C$ \+ C8 S, ]& `7 b/ w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) Q6 j7 u! G0 A* J% f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 S9 i( s! p+ M4 U4 h2 d5 {- i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  Q9 w/ q0 |3 _% F/ j- z2 B

8 N' ~- S8 c; H0 Z7 x, H0 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 V# F% k7 s: c: U7 S

+ T8 ~5 {& {9 I0 ?' g8 Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* b1 \- B4 e$ C5 R4 @$ Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ |1 w. B2 D5 D8 D6 V$ J我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ F8 _: e4 J- ~" {( _; L) c
真的!!這不是反話; B, f% F# ^# g, F* r& M* O6 ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 _6 h; S3 t7 [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 m. w  R+ w1 y: n! M' i: e以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( @- s) w( b. d) C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% T; M% ?2 s' ?) @1 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 C5 n5 X  S% J5 G8 e9 @% I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; u5 G9 H) X4 a9 eWhat a statement we have here?2 D# H0 S; ]  `( d0 S; \

5 \- _/ a  v* v, x$ r$ xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( x6 D2 l# \- I2 \6 E  Y6 f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 F+ a- j9 s, k8 I7 ]. e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, |5 T$ H$ s3 z6 u. p+ {5 c"不信也沒損失"
2 {2 p0 b2 b- F$ EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# K/ S! n: a5 K- y% w. e1 o# s7 lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ ]: ^% o7 B1 w5 G5 a4 Y4 fit's starting because we have sins......
& ^! u6 w/ [  x+ j1 L, Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( o* _% C, k7 s3 X! D! Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! l  ]$ S- j- u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; ]' r0 y/ V& W1 H/ v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 F/ Z! g) O4 S! p2 F! F! a1 _8 _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 O# E5 m1 q8 C; ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 B) O; j2 U+ w8 |0 a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( j" M2 Q! U3 r0 s+ J6 F( a9 D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 D0 C- x3 G# T/ g& F. S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. a5 {/ W, `$ ~& `2 R" M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 H" t/ `/ o9 K% a5 p: C
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
$ S/ M' c( _4 S" `0 ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" s* C9 X2 q* |+ ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& {' S  H+ l: X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( S: q7 R# N) p$ c. G

$ [" |+ j# m  y" j2 j) i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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) T, y! N7 |) W% ]2 Z$ o. \+ _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: t* X, R% M2 @  O% m8 ]5 X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ ^$ R' v/ `, s8 ?" `

) m1 O  p$ `  Z: c& U6 k4 SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 @4 T% D1 y( J8 I' z  J6 O* U

/ a' s+ M" {( g$ r9 K% tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.