Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% I* x- e7 P1 e6 c我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% W+ q+ i9 G% o8 C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 O* j0 m) q2 X9 H, e4 _, @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- O) L) b6 A. V/ F% R( M5 L  M- p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 q. H# S+ D7 @6 K! e2 ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( Z0 }+ m4 \# k& @8 D! v0 E

8 \5 d  A0 I" ~8 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ c' c4 D; ^$ Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 R* P% x! A, {3 H) Q- `" v3 E' z2 v4 @5 {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, u/ @4 w8 T& x( e8 J- }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; \5 s, W, u* Y. `2 M" e真的!!這不是反話. S9 }; [4 Z* ^0 C- Z* Y5 x& E
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 ]* ~6 d$ v+ i* }3 n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& ^0 c" u4 g, \2 Q3 }6 U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. s5 I: B' a' ~7 `3 \1 M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 O( d0 C$ G* J: L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, ?6 Y; G" H& J# P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- S8 A0 d& d/ ?What a statement we have here?+ |4 b, F% P& m+ f  s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! V; W% c3 v# n/ o6 F. [& o/ z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 f/ r$ D& v3 Z4 Z& U9 o8 CLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: H  D+ _  ]- L6 n1 Y! O. F- [5 K! E( n
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 Y* e) c- e5 o0 `% f% x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 L4 G, ]3 {- Z- L% T: g; C"不信也沒損失"
$ _. d- T3 L. v/ U2 H1 r% p/ GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* ?) X3 R* y; L$ g0 A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ Z) h$ B/ H4 ~4 A7 i8 ~5 I8 N; ~

3 w; ]3 k5 h1 U+ w4 zit's starting because we have sins......
/ R1 l- s  z& u! [5 F4 [2 }; ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. l8 v* K+ v) jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 t9 n6 ~. r$ l5 A3 e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: `* D  D8 p5 G" c8 D3 b5 L* |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ m1 r1 E( I! i* u- `' W2 d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 l8 j. ]  p; O) G! z5 Q, [* c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 F) v" }" v4 Z; P3 k- v  t& i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. \) e" S6 w2 d, P) h4 M
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  U* E: [$ g( J7 z  ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 J: H* O8 B) N- m4 L- g4 U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, \7 V* M, I2 d( P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 L0 z" }0 ?" A& e) d" n$ f) n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., G" o: Z; P: k- e) g  N( A7 k2 e* x

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 C& Z  O+ z( _0 K0 Q8 B* V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 k* k0 _+ U% L1 I% r0 z  a  o  \以下是其他人的見解,
- {8 Q6 l5 e# R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 t& t) C! h; Y% F
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 o( W5 b$ @/ T1 m, v8 }信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 M7 z" c% V' q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* B5 z! W7 |4 e, K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; a7 ?6 ]9 U  T, a0 [. k: V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 v( |) w! H" Q+ E" X
.............信耶穌... ...

; f  j) Q' r8 p/ |Regarding the resurrection....4 j7 s! g( C" Y) J3 t" g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 d/ _1 x4 b  v. O2 ]; C8 T4 Z; [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.