Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' m  }4 h! ?! _+ q/ ^2 \2 |. R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 J! Z- W' s$ W( S( H) W; ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 ?7 L, N0 n8 k: o6 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' L3 j( f; ~7 e" Q1 J# Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 i6 I' O5 ^  R8 @; w. y$ T$ ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: q% t" C6 ?- _$ _4 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' k3 i+ C' H3 S, J9 F# x  M. pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 d8 Z' X0 s) v" astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* p2 D* E+ o. s8 i6 J, j1 m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. H0 u# L* t+ W! k4 i我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人  Q" o, ^+ Y- t, l4 w: V4 v( c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 b8 a9 q+ V6 |4 L+ K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 y# K6 [, a  L4 i$ N' o! A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* e' O3 K+ m+ ?/ a. Z" m- ~1 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% L( J( ?; T4 g2 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: }2 \$ A/ f! l# {* c8 bWhat a statement we have here?
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! E. S! A; S3 i3 U$ T2 XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " x! N$ l; N3 e; \5 ~( I1 s' X0 D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 c6 }. S. h- R) s9 k. T4 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; R8 Z8 L- l0 }3 i# [8 j8 ]

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" I* d7 Q% c9 t7 p[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% g- j" E+ [( l, a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, E: m, A# Q. O* }/ M7 P& A% h# \"不信也沒損失"
6 D4 Z5 P# o1 Y; l/ s* TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% n" h: h0 c, Y- e4 Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 w* o& {+ j: `. o9 @3 I, f" xit's starting because we have sins......7 ~  @8 U, D; |! I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 E2 A, J/ D8 m4 @/ M) X- nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 ?& ?& C/ F; [; M' s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 S" x6 s4 N* m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  I8 o7 {. x2 H- O! W$ l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% V, F! J- A1 @  P9 e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 g1 J9 P/ f& `9 `( x% e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 I% ^! i6 d/ _$ F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- Y# D2 H- c+ j7 W& E, P! Z+ j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 v' I9 l. W4 P% p& g- n
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% C. p1 ^+ A# ?; W# t% ^+ R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# e: `* U5 O% h' U0 W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& [" {  w; k6 i5 ^5 ?- }
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以下是其他人的見解,
! Q6 i. M! s# P* m; |, A/ t% R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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# f. |- B* x! Y- ^! f[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" i% h9 Y+ a/ _5 j5 T- b9 e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; Z* V, O/ z7 `( p$ J3 M" W

5 K* H& q; X7 v- V% m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 f0 B0 v/ Z3 |* x6 ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 H6 d1 n+ w$ i+ `2 L4 m( [* N: T+ I

3 r5 I& W! g9 o% p( r; vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... X  W; \6 z6 G% j1 Z' A% f
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.