Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: ~. H& k: ^! [3 E4 Q- J8 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# x9 {* z$ ]( H3 O- PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( w7 X( k6 H; r' i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: P) F) v' y; P

/ X, j6 d+ u/ ~6 ^+ ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 u/ }6 N/ @! o8 C  _, o% _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 F: O4 u+ o9 B7 b8 G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. N& i* B0 M$ H1 [0 Z- I! C! [) l6 ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 h2 }- M7 t1 S. j) t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) }6 e- m3 n# ]" ?- G% c
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : j* `4 |, u+ J3 p# n. O0 s

% X1 Y% B9 Y- ]' v# g6 h9 b+ OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) S2 }7 x* z' S" D9 l" B
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! ?0 t" p6 Z" d
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
$ _. w7 b& S8 N; ?9 K9 yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: X3 b2 }5 U4 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% R5 v  b4 Q: m
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it's starting because we have sins......' b" x8 q7 O6 n6 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % m8 Q4 X; h% ]4 N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' k7 q0 t& o2 [  u只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ ~! ~' a' ^8 |% U; B2 a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& [% u0 W; `0 y0 q. H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 n( V' D0 P% W$ \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 V. q  O3 C- z3 L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 J6 l! x# |0 h0 o. F. x4 a
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 R4 l" R& f. L/ m( P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; G+ ]' e$ S$ i7 O( {. ?, }% X7 J; ]5 C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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; @; h8 z' z& h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' H7 r6 X9 R. d) D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 Q3 [/ s' o3 E9 u

3 p8 N9 Z: E9 s. t) f3 O+ J以下是其他人的見解,
" N, m, n* S- n3 w; T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 Y! H( U& b& q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: {3 j3 M' h1 }$ D: g
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# E, o+ ?1 P; Z! r$ G1 b
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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+ k+ [; R5 J9 f! a5 DRegarding the resurrection....
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- [$ b6 }$ a7 G# f- w' r! XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 Q) l" s% I% G0 k; V8 O" X) j$ {

2 V6 P2 u+ U& U$ \) W+ G9 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.