Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 _  I9 q1 L% m+ ~2 |我係一個連自己都吳信的人# w8 J$ I' _5 i: s" N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 U+ e* m; W5 A" Q( H; X3 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( G  e" E( ~5 w1 g: o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 F; }$ k; \" |6 hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ L( j, a3 B+ M2 V+ D2 l5 X- P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 P7 V& T3 l/ N; i7 O7 bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; _3 U1 v1 E# L% V% F. rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 l+ O+ F: [8 s& }& n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! w4 g0 |3 ?) u  p0 _我只不過微小的基督徒...................# w4 [1 u3 D- \. f4 E
真的!!這不是反話& S0 S$ B0 f% z1 m: C
因為我是情感比理性強的人8 c" u4 B8 z( q4 s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ B  y" Z! G) {  `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, {$ L* M2 ]0 [0 |3 F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' R& C& y* t4 G3 t/ `' p8 w  A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ s( U. L9 _  M, r) ^5 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : }& }0 p# x2 X0 j

4 H  E2 r( s6 E$ D! y/ xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 q: D4 C" m5 _( G; @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 e/ ~  p- [& T: ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 C" F0 h6 @! \/ NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 }8 C& B& {" }4 {$ Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 g4 b* `, v. r; eit's starting because we have sins......3 s. J. K3 }2 _) A4 V/ J( q/ O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . a, K6 p- f# {* l$ G6 B+ l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 g+ [8 C" U( r2 C/ H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 k( S1 W0 P3 b/ c( I, t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, t; L0 Q! M) q, s, J% y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, o- d9 W; O3 I: k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 E; Z  m2 U( y, f5 Q# ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& }" _% U" x9 T' q0 v

6 F4 L. j* v4 E8 P+ p# }4 N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, P$ G) F! ?, q0 Z' C8 X7 ?$ L4 a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ d: F% ?. @; e" l7 `0 _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, O2 Z0 ^7 Y$ R3 J2 Z* k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- a4 q, c8 i: G% v* _: D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 O8 R# ?0 x2 \6 h" w: C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 @4 u6 n! i' O% Y, b' h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 u: h4 \! h$ ]3 O1 b4 A4 e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ Q) |1 M# s* {
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以下是其他人的見解,- d0 H8 b5 ~! ]6 u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 p+ L8 {) s2 L# X& p3 k
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm4 o5 h0 I4 [6 r

; m: ^, _# @- S4 P5 S* m  D7 N[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. k5 R" J% V" J" ]; R; d2 s5 x

8 H" k! U2 u" x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 U5 h9 n5 z0 x& J

. [  Q7 V- ^) E. Y% w* B, l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 n1 v7 ]+ G: m/ _) b6 W7 V7 w: m! C# v

* e4 e1 f" I7 B+ ]# N/ n: v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 y2 w1 m) n3 V' `5 s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ M! Z9 b5 o; T9 \7 O

5 L6 c+ x! C# I* sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.