Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. \! ^% D+ x6 ]# M2 M; W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 f# S  H0 s2 R+ Z% k7 j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 r" {) P( u" n9 U0 G' K. N- L5 Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& _3 v1 m, i$ @* W: W( X
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 s/ R( B) ^1 s0 }& j# |  w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ p$ V  {: ]7 Q8 R- D. t* c, T我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 u6 t! i" ?, n3 v# I0 v因為我是情感比理性強的人
: E0 S3 Z2 `3 z4 M0 }, h$ K所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. r' I: B* r$ F& Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" Q# c) m) ]! t, Y* q' V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( r# ?/ s; S7 K. @/ u# w( X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) p0 o2 M! i+ ?) u5 Y

7 i9 g& G  |3 \* fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- X$ k9 R) x0 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 q$ f8 a' y8 ]/ M- p$ mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. N1 X3 F  W5 m" I; m& X4 @8 n4 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". V( Q, a* T( x3 v& z# U8 \4 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 Q! V3 }, l3 i/ N3 Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 i  T9 N7 E" D7 y% k' Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. p& D$ p2 Q7 B( ^* y  A+ hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: t# _. r" v+ {8 n8 `$ z5 u只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* H5 V9 q" T/ J5 r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- U8 J# z. ]. N% M9 u& e% X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ q5 {$ z, [. `" Q# w4 [/ u3 s* F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! m6 g0 Q! h# c* d& T/ F5 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, W" H4 G1 j4 @# J6 S
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. m/ u5 u1 p- J7 }1 Q6 n3 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 b9 g6 k' A/ N5 P
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# r9 t+ ~* |  W1 q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ U$ s$ j: c5 n* k7 d2 Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, n- `5 p. N0 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ T& z. p, n" I2 ^, f- w/ t+ a
.............信耶穌... ...

# f' s% @; Z9 N4 pRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... U- P3 u! I  B9 W  F

8 D9 b$ m" a5 P, w2 M$ Z1 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.