Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( D( I0 V  I" P+ m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, u1 h6 R1 H) o4 L" C7 y0 X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. @1 M- D6 k2 a& |' n
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; x# V& z  V. L! C/ y

, P- h3 P7 u7 u0 z. |6 CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' y* k' K- u6 g2 K7 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% i5 t" u2 C5 h3 h( X8 s
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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+ U( ~, _+ b0 ^8 q真的!!這不是反話& Q& p6 q, y/ \% I& V
因為我是情感比理性強的人. {+ i; [# ]* _8 _9 e7 X- V% y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- {, W, C+ n1 _% i' n. M+ g; h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! {: {) C7 a- d2 P) A$ E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 E7 d( P9 j2 B. S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  D( |5 b% o/ q+ Z6 mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ A7 n; L9 G% c0 W3 S( o
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 _( A! a: @7 U  R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. _8 \4 ~* K0 F1 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' A' j, \; Z& E' n& Y  ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* b* s) i; a6 ?. ~8 e7 p

( g! \" V6 J# F" `% ?) q. e: `it's starting because we have sins......" v4 {/ s. t( d! \" ]$ I4 T, T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 Z4 L3 a$ S/ j* i7 Y) }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") {0 g5 t; M# d+ j0 N+ o4 }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ B3 A/ r8 Y) q2 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 M- @6 \* `5 S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 y$ C( Z+ j3 \+ B% y7 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* ?4 j/ y# i: M: V  X5 M: U+ ~5 n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 P& C! t/ R" M1 r1 q

+ x: ]' y, O$ V) @; H$ {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% F. t; e# `0 l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 e4 U' r3 H, s: L+ Z) N. ~/ H: Q- r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," |( e3 k9 Y% _. r4 A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 W2 N. a+ Z0 J3 o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 d( I* ^) B6 f8 h6 d* Y* T6 s

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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0 x' o/ n6 ~) i6 ?7 P3 n$ w以下是其他人的見解,' _. ?/ _8 b' g3 _4 `& a7 A" ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 E$ ^) f$ h' V8 i$ j" w* J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% m' r* R& m1 }+ K2 I/ X, t8 Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  l# ?! Y0 f9 s0 P9 T+ R4 m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- a9 V  ^2 w: y; b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ W7 `" ?- @& @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.