Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% C) t0 D& w0 C, |: @; S8 z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: p: [) g2 g( m. T7 m& W. r( X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" k1 G2 V) t' n7 l/ G3 q: l( R道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 j! _, J" Z. N4 L- N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) f" {" Q& Y- D) h; L* z3 [/ g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 O4 H4 F; b7 x; C; r- n  V

9 @9 p- z5 q2 R  y1 Gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 G* z: y& A: l7 k, Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 h" K4 |( r  y8 }7 C3 zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; `+ T9 U% D* F8 i! n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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4 u5 c4 X2 [4 O  v9 E  y5 P) Y$ V因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 `( h1 A( a9 B# v/ [8 L  Z6 Q0 \所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' {: `) W; R4 N5 x/ W+ y+ V4 x1 c! G$ ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; w- E; }. j# K. C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 C$ S4 G, Z" ^" v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. j% v# I: q. i3 W9 n3 p/ L6 m( H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 L" B0 v+ ~( d! ^8 S* s6 }0 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, y) E1 L3 W8 h# |
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8 U$ y5 m% ^' J[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"# F; ^  D: [. q0 I, [) W2 ~% [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% K5 P3 f3 i0 r" nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- x' i" U( c2 @4 W; m9 K; T

4 n2 p) M) U6 N6 ~9 `2 ~2 wit's starting because we have sins....... y& o2 y- r! i# n" L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: u1 a% n) i9 [  vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ x% |% Y  _/ U/ \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ w$ \/ l( I% V, G5 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* e8 ^1 {5 J2 a2 m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 S9 t. A- C- P) E* a; }! `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* M: x( H* X. F1 {0 f: ^+ ~0 ?8 }好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 N" o1 T$ x4 G4 R, v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( l2 F; w# G9 h  \% O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 T) w" Z5 m0 {  a! ]/ k! V1 @3 d5 r

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 ?* _7 p7 M' `0 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,0 k, I7 t# j) k3 H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; i/ J8 e& h( t% ]+ X* P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; S+ ]9 ^% |) }- _/ t- C+ @3 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 ?& c1 h( \7 G9 D- z. Q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 u$ c! d6 J, q
.............信耶穌... ...

0 a: P% t- v7 r0 s! o3 _* b! B3 |2 ?Regarding the resurrection....+ E. t' Y  B/ O9 k  N  s4 q5 g  |
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  r+ e! Q- w+ o6 e) P0 o6 [
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.