Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 {( S8 v$ I) F  M$ F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 N7 F9 Q: u5 j4 o; t) e8 P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 @8 g$ [- r% j6 t1 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ y) K8 o* T6 A+ N5 F( T+ J3 d5 c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 Q, Q8 t" F/ d) k7 {7 K

8 k. V7 |1 @. ?* m2 ]1 J+ \0 |9 l! `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 N' J+ K6 ]' F$ r, i' u% O. A! z9 m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 J& v. P$ @* L( Y- \" R
真的!!這不是反話
$ s8 J! j0 u8 `- W因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ q- ^$ v' L$ B: V# O/ ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! Y; J7 ^2 @# _- w7 g% a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) c5 J8 L" T& S3 qWhat a statement we have here?
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7 Q6 }/ P7 U3 v: nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " P0 f; D0 g9 P+ L0 Z4 w

2 [# O: w- \- z! M. u- m  m  j: \' KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, K) [! Q# ]6 U) Z  }- ?9 \4 y5 O: O$ lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 b1 t1 X5 ^1 ^! |* v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; R* B7 Y" r+ `: B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% a& I3 _9 h$ }9 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 o" j5 L& {0 s4 c8 k3 _. |' Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 P& e! K2 T( J2 `2 w4 |) k

: I9 M+ A& {; j  S! c3 |it's starting because we have sins......8 {$ @5 M- ^2 y: g' K! [- N5 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, Z- v* r. M$ i- Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" X; a$ u% A4 O& v# H1 v! [" N0 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: i- A& @/ F0 H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 a% ?9 f5 W8 d2 c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# i  F! ^, c7 S7 n* a/ x( }, @! I; `! X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. X8 F. g- g7 _& h) w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ S8 q9 w8 J# k: l+ }0 ~" `$ M4 S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! ~  @7 X% c+ b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 c* U. b& ^. f9 j+ p* Y, X- H# x: a

4 D8 {, i5 @5 h# c; w. f: z, A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) b7 \+ {# ^9 f9 y6 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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) e( ]8 @  J+ a7 ]& m& m宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 y8 q: g* p" _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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4 V" Y- W6 u6 u" ~( j以下是其他人的見解,
/ Z3 t6 Y9 e1 f+ y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. s, U3 U* U, r& F8 y0 I, }9 C- p
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  D/ A1 P4 F' P4 o7 v2 W
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 |6 \( H$ e, `  p
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 O" C. r* U; C2 ~1 s7 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ g2 S4 K% |- a1 w; W! J
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.