Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 W& R- |# L$ u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 a! }) v$ B; L, V1 N+ M道理我知道好多只係做吳到" J/ C- W7 U0 m3 v, N% e/ Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  K$ p, ^) y. _% |! d, g3 n

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ z; c  @. `- w0 y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; K! t/ \; S% \# v9 B8 ?8 E4 L
真的!!這不是反話3 A4 K$ L. R) {: L( `7 k" a
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( |& ?, S! k) g: I' c, _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) {; t5 t2 z0 X, u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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% E* V9 F/ w' t9 vWhat a statement we have here?
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) s' _6 Z$ f5 J' g/ }$ D- A& AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 ^: e5 z5 E2 G/ E

9 A. o0 n- V+ E% PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& }0 D- @2 g) X2 q/ k

0 {/ v9 r% w3 s$ Y8 W# Q: fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" K2 I# N# s$ ~/ ~: e" o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ R& H: j' c. L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' W8 D2 ^8 x9 L; l9 L$ [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 q2 Z7 E: r3 E3 }! G  B& ?
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * n& }% {2 j/ \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& A1 K" W! }# o2 E3 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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( Z. ~% T. z5 j9 S0 q% c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 p6 r% X+ U! o; ]& o! S/ r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& Q% V' z" a: T( |% h& u9 k3 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( Z7 E4 ~1 x6 B5 Z

2 p# r" g' }9 `" ]) d以下是其他人的見解,
% P: W2 v/ ~7 b( Z4 B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* }; O2 Z) Q: E1 e4 j  l1 @/ O% H1 O. W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 Y# {/ F( `0 G- `9 o7 `+ a
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 o7 _' l- u+ v3 t# K0 t; D$ H

# N( H% ]4 g1 \+ m% i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( p( o  h/ O. }3 E0 z: V4 o.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.