Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! x1 O$ Q- t6 u  z' X  _- W我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 T4 Z' }, Q+ n5 ^! q) i) m: i8 i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 ^' b* A; ^( A& Q: P7 i. ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; O. Y3 h  m" d! r  ^+ F' v

, a8 W$ e; Z8 Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' q1 q4 t/ C3 `6 d+ v9 y: ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* X% [: C: `( f- T' @6 ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人  y1 b: ]9 l) M0 K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 t3 a' ^, H/ c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 S; D. q- s  j) I4 x0 m$ U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 u3 {) Z6 W& M% p' t+ r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  V+ Z* P' n% x; ^What a statement we have here?
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* Z# C7 Q0 C- B1 ~; CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# N( j% n8 W- @. n
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 [! z, L: B& A3 ~$ X5 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  T% q0 K/ p: P: ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 T' P% t* r0 p1 {2 Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 F3 `6 a  A: u8 o

6 \2 y$ J7 V3 [4 D" j# @) ~# h- jit's starting because we have sins......* k' N, h' |& p" J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ m4 S. m2 p7 N! j$ M) N* ~只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 U2 q6 I, D4 p4 Z0 ~, V( E' O1 J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 h9 O4 S; I4 T8 Z! y8 q; N. u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- W9 I9 J/ z  v) J& x* L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& U. u' T) F5 U- q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  d9 T( I' d3 ]' A; M. ]3 _3 r; J5 q

" b3 I$ K; ]1 p; h4 d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, w# V' R2 K6 E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ o7 H4 k2 I( H& E/ W) f# u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 d! k# @$ `/ n$ u' U3 |" T4 Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 `$ E4 k, h5 q- p# m# R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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& Z& |6 V7 A$ ~' ~4 y$ n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ G9 O* v+ m! G4 O; ?; L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ f& C/ P. B/ v5 ^4 c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: ~3 K: r1 q: p3 N3 A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% s% W7 _4 G) j; |3 f: O3 L0 D5 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: K* i, X" Y& _( h/ R

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 J8 U) W4 S! D' W/ `6 Z+ x2 S* W.............信耶穌... ...

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* {1 o7 B* P: O2 e# y. GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ O, n" e) T  A1 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.