Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* h6 k7 \7 ?* ~* r, l4 W: j+ T7 q" s我係一個連自己都吳信的人& H5 ^! G! g- j/ S/ |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ b' W3 t. d: z6 j2 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 k3 f8 S. A7 |) c% c$ [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% U0 k4 j* m' k0 \+ c% N  ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ Q2 N) P2 r- a  `6 r% ^. e6 Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 }! @" l% U$ ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ o0 o, a+ u- J3 z( r! `2 m# m我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 O! ?. r) j9 U  X8 k: Z* Q4 Y4 e% ?2 z+ x
真的!!這不是反話
. y: _7 }4 P# [' f( [! {* s8 q: J因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 T4 M( ]# ]9 E所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) g. x, L5 k2 c$ C# k. o) R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( _# a0 n: `- S1 Z- w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 q! W+ N' |4 J4 N( E/ V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 e% i* K) z; n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  @: M7 n# H) R# R  t, S3 m. y" r; oWhat a statement we have here?
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% V5 z' a1 ~. _+ \7 \" k2 |. bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , U6 S2 m! V8 d
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 q$ F7 n- E9 q& ^1 b) e- h8 y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 _* B( k. ?) w9 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# _/ [, k2 ?7 s# m0 K8 v, t"不信也沒損失"/ u. r" K) D% {2 ]) {! m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 J& E( |7 u" Y% }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ }$ E+ ?% j) D: {+ d
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it's starting because we have sins......
, U; y& \; N8 R* H  O- H$ B6 G6 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 t, k% `8 m$ G8 g* Lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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4 p/ y8 D, E5 d" d0 K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ C' H/ l! U- s/ D, E/ D- Z6 D5 o) w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, @+ k1 k+ e6 K% c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ z' C) J$ H5 }! s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* j. e. I1 E, Z- Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, }6 i1 K5 P+ i$ y3 x7 Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) l. D( B4 `% r9 K+ ?+ H
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( m  w$ Y# f5 C5 |. a1 _宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 P' k2 K* M$ ^% B' U

+ u% }+ A4 r9 i' [* R$ Z" f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 k. z) D! s# z% z/ Q9 W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; U  C5 o: O* X
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; o, z- o! {1 }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  H% y5 Y4 `  I( {& O& D5 _

* f* e6 [0 N7 E, y7 u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- X8 K; X" A3 x6 u8 L. K+ S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* O1 R2 l  n$ F+ y0 V4 M! @( p

+ b' a1 j0 s( l4 a  _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) X- i( ~! N: ?+ ^' x.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 f( s( B; |/ g- o3 `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.