Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ O/ f* S4 n- h8 S% g6 o% b) D. X道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 I( y7 C- A: L& e- I) W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 [1 x; h( \8 |" `

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ q. a% z6 u8 M5 O0 d! [9 T- Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ ~4 k: J0 z& m  A" m8 ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" b, K. R( u; b1 A0 |真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 {: d' Y# t% v" W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 `6 @' a" J9 L, M
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 w% c+ q& e0 z- `' @5 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. `/ y8 I( b' n- h) x& v( P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 R1 _' k4 J& L+ _What a statement we have here?4 c% y* J# O: J5 `9 Q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + h5 E9 \9 b" @0 k: ?

( S  y" [8 {& p. ?I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 m/ ^  Q5 ^8 e! [
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# G9 s9 X+ A/ }! b6 f+ C
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) m3 D+ O$ J" _% ]: ?. X7 P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" U5 e* O8 z+ j5 k6 I! BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. g+ B  K! ?( x" A3 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ x0 H( W. [! q& @
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it's starting because we have sins......! C/ j) X$ h) D' I3 U9 w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " ]0 n0 `% \  M2 G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 c* x  l, a  I  ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: {8 p9 b, g# B7 R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 Q# Y' g% m( j# b3 N' L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) W4 S+ h, P) {6 R- }. l& ?) ?# I# Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  Z! V; V% ]' t$ H$ S7 K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ Y# Q% F$ v3 x5 g- q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: f$ J3 w+ I  N' W. R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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6 d; ]4 c3 s/ U- Z  T) t- ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: w" J6 y3 R4 q4 q8 _- f2 O
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 d! F9 E9 a/ I1 `
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& f0 b. x$ W1 C2 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 D8 p! i1 U; [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 v0 D- S* [5 h& C5 `* A( n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ B# @# {/ l; b, z. j  R3 O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! N) d5 x& O# U1 l- ~  m1 _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; Y. t3 C( l' b

; }& I% Q7 l, b6 x) \1 W: b4 f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. W! W& f) z0 h7 l7 |) N1 M.............信耶穌... ...

7 Y7 R4 M6 J# S) t4 @4 ZRegarding the resurrection....
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" @7 W8 h9 z" @, k% Y7 y. C' Y2 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.