Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ U; U1 O3 n1 _* C1 [
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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  @1 G! w: C: G# p3 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 O/ ]/ |% z6 O3 \. q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. o0 @' R/ `3 b4 ]% j+ y1 j3 uNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ f/ ^: e; A: ~- R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 l6 t9 C* P/ ^4 d& p+ X6 f

# ?% a4 d* [' h* P2 a" K( _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 }% Z. z$ @6 ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人) g9 F$ T0 {: m; ~8 e9 Y! \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 Z$ I0 X4 m0 S; T+ d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  a8 b  {; W; f"不信也沒損失"6 V- ^# s- q) O+ V! G* m/ @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# M) m4 h) s5 w) @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- Q# _: _6 d3 a) P" Q

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 e) m0 z! T# p  iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 l  y/ e' [( J8 e$ [8 f; u5 q1 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ j, Y2 D) ^7 T0 K  Q+ e" `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 ^. N+ }: ^! j8 f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 s5 d3 n" i8 n7 f+ ^6 s7 ^, E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 m0 J, V) Z/ f" }2 k5 W/ G" F* H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! }, n! U( m" K! u+ O# z1 ^$ c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 e) `9 e' a% t- e' D0 e" q2 b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 {7 f$ Q' E9 D4 b6 H9 N& }3 w' f

7 m+ R8 g& ]5 A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) h: o2 I+ X7 @8 R5 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. V7 p2 ^3 R- @. N: N$ o9 ~7 g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; G! Q- [* M. h5 \" K9 t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 B. [7 x- _5 v0 U; y

2 h! u, K' g$ ?% S$ S7 ]以下是其他人的見解,
7 H/ i# z% y* I看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# d$ d4 Y! E7 V; c+ w- F; B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* C6 V# P" @% ?0 M( Z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 B) b2 Z4 O( [5 T2 h
.............信耶穌... ...

% G9 P# F" w0 rRegarding the resurrection....
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$ B8 `; m" R1 X: @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 @, j  V0 s+ ^# Q

1 p  }3 M8 z9 f# |$ FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.