Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! y: ]" V2 j8 `" W) n6 j5 m' D我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 B4 l) i6 g) w1 I/ b又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 v! M" y5 @5 A" g& w2 h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: a' m& J7 C7 H, S# P4 {0 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# i( j& T& n/ Z' E( t( n6 i
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( q5 F6 C7 X$ f1 K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: ]3 Z% s" w2 m% H) ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." J$ A7 N$ n, y1 u# d3 n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- v/ r) Q1 [. }+ q0 @我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! D4 S0 ~6 i0 Z8 S$ |真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 F1 C7 {/ N# q- J: k) n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 j& W5 d. {1 I8 B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 B4 ]9 P/ K4 B$ I) s0 Q- a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 G  d! q6 j% f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" e: d! W1 g, Z* V( G8 TWhat a statement we have here?
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5 |4 L2 h( K# |- Q. {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " N  U+ Z* A0 N9 H4 r4 ?, V# a7 ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" R( X: b6 i/ ^& X) R9 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. C8 I" {; x. h2 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ |. i' b  n/ s+ Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 `5 t' |2 F# Bit's starting because we have sins......" H  v4 m3 w6 Z2 C) w& N% D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : k. I7 n  G: E6 E. L2 f4 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ }, m7 y* C' w: T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' J, p1 R+ I% N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ M! a. T7 _6 [% W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- a0 z) F) H) e2 {) D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, v5 E  H$ n1 a+ E- N) V' F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& {+ ~8 h; a) @" _2 L- r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 `3 c) C- s2 E2 \# h; E$ |4 j) Q

; E& @0 N# q1 y: j: i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 q( C+ S/ n0 q5 l; h4 I0 g( u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 j$ W! G0 R( M3 Z1 ~9 V7 j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 z5 X5 w- C' J2 P" P- E

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, ~, I( h  A! D4 ^" q以下是其他人的見解,
" ^0 G; w$ G* h# ?1 ^% A. @0 l  n: H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! v' U( s- d+ }3 `( a4 s
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: K; q( _+ L- ~  b. {9 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! L. Q7 i) W( X" M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 b5 M3 h) P2 {" C) r8 U, r
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 ?. t0 e- I1 r$ a6 c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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/ l: Y: O1 s. m$ k/ TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.