Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 N/ T5 W4 m. `. \9 l' t, R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* D4 T* H' K* f8 N( B% W7 V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  {2 y1 s0 s% t- f8 x0 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* T4 f* Q+ g9 r: I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 t& K5 ^$ ~2 Z; g& J. j- S! W

9 ]4 p2 o% ]. O  n: ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; h; |: E3 b) |- k3 e0 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; o9 n6 D  a$ e( Q$ v2 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& S: N. x9 ^( V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* B) y5 x' w% S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 f% C& D! }8 Y  n$ c! y2 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 a+ X6 S; i  X" YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., K- F% h# k- {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 y7 k' M9 v& U- I4 t+ M( s% ]
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 v: R! r# |3 q+ U- {8 y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" r  j8 C" J+ t- X( l- dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 `  P* m* ]: j% m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* J* V, e8 {8 S: V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 V) i' ]# h! Q% ~8 aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 h: f2 u2 x5 W# t2 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! A5 M( F, k/ @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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5 j8 I, X6 U" I" K% S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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9 V( g' E1 p8 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; M* b! O3 J; T% I信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ t/ }4 r9 o  g/ x: A; [

4 K5 {# j1 [" a1 g4 W以下是其他人的見解,
  n  ^9 }  c. E& R8 K4 u, N看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 D2 a3 }7 n2 ^3 C; H) k3 {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: s! M+ U' O$ y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 z: M9 ]8 M. g# Z" ]1 E$ P! G$ m1 C
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 K' K( j1 e+ B& R1 Y

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* f" N* _. a& k1 W8 f* [
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: a# U8 D) ^5 W( P/ W
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.