Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 K) Z- J* a7 n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 B! E# S- K" @! O) h道理我知道好多只係做吳到  x: Q4 Q' G) M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 C. Y$ N3 w# r! f' b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! d+ [' w1 Q6 x) m' Z* X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 ~1 p1 k1 \3 E% Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" M+ R$ j$ _' i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人8 G+ o- i% C6 J3 s  e
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 x, z, p2 S$ @: Q$ s# A7 x" [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 J# }, o8 c. t  r- K& L: f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... I. {( m5 e& ~1 i4 ^& m- U" P" G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 _; m- {' @; w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 P) o/ Y6 q+ P7 M  [8 A% j' xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! y" N1 @( ?, J# M0 M8 y

: A7 D" E- |; s8 SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# d& Q  F' M5 ?2 f) F

8 W) _/ m' R  WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 v3 d) d7 ?. o  V" V$ f* w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 Z" C* ?, x0 S. ]  y8 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 j" n) C/ S* U9 w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 R, G4 G" ?! {: p! [# b' J' p8 J
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it's starting because we have sins......
3 b! u9 m* `2 `8 q0 s! ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " C: S2 k  l6 H4 z* ?$ _8 W, V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! g) x) X' C" T2 e; `' e  C! u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; T3 J' A# q- H6 h
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 `3 j8 @: t* z9 S: h$ q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 I/ Y' G& H1 Y1 s) ~9 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. u, i% X+ b2 a- D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" {$ \! c8 |1 n+ R  b* B2 z- g- t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; E, q" v* }4 L, @( u% h: U! q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 V7 o  K* h; y# O5 S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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/ {, N# C' e* _: }/ }美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 \, V6 x: E' X2 r0 j
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& j" t8 R$ J) g. W4 I& a5 B5 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( L( X' U4 J( n" j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; f/ Q" y# }; S2 C

3 M6 e2 b! v! XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.