Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ y  K( B  a) e我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' \* q: `) d# ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 `6 f( W6 g) ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" ^# T6 z1 z: _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 f; ~$ i+ O) g+ k9 t  O9 k
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# l- r: N/ D7 {& i$ M3 N
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# |, Z" U% J6 c9 \' i  o' e; M5 o

0 W7 p% f$ o; B: istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( J  P9 V  R& `) P; T/ q, Y0 kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' J0 u" @+ E- k7 J/ }" ]" A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 m% m2 _8 j# [真的!!這不是反話
* `3 q- {' u) z3 M因為我是情感比理性強的人  u& Z- C, o% a; h9 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, x3 p2 m: M1 Q$ W- ^$ C% T7 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' a' |4 @" ~! G& e* M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 r6 C1 K9 t6 r1 _2 d" x* Q( R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?4 e' V8 K4 K4 T3 F- F4 ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 i6 S( B+ z9 B. i5 ]. w5 e

. w: }$ _* T$ A8 R" e/ ]2 {' nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( s8 i' ?$ W6 m; w! w' c

1 Q9 d+ |. A4 @  @' `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ N& _, _" R0 i/ Y3 I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 r* a$ \- B. d, O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ A; }5 D2 C) G2 g9 i' h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) |' D* ^/ O3 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 e$ x  ?7 t# o1 @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 u: L( c8 T: ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 e2 e1 F) D  o: z9 l$ v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 v0 L% M0 c7 e0 @, n" N0 o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 c; f" A9 P/ ?, n2 z; e) B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  g$ Y6 E! t4 R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. t( `$ t+ g; \" A! [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; A; q2 z0 c( T; ~9 v8 [% W

2 X& ?6 N. B* {8 w3 @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( U) A  c' z* t: ^- y' f4 h; e  F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# v1 G  w' v' J% m! |

* C! T# c  p/ X* c* `, z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, a. A! e. A" ?( H2 B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ l4 G) J) o% t* {# c6 h2 P$ z) r' P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  F/ D$ b! d- V7 i/ Y. L$ O: I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- @/ C2 C  r8 p7 G" {4 X% t5 ^2 S* A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- W! c7 `. a+ S+ E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
/ t# m9 c7 e; R3 `看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* h* I% O: B8 N; f
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% y) w: z9 J( Q* \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 z; R. W, G8 ?" \1 h! j8 y7 a

" j" i2 \9 G7 V6 ^1 |6 j7 r& a! ^' D: c9 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. x* v( h: Q$ U% B: {8 S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% C9 A# _# V$ G" T.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) v0 i4 G: L1 H/ Y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.