Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) X5 @" p: e( l$ ^" f7 ]: b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( c# T- T) i, X  l$ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ r1 [& q! }2 O7 Y% g# F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 c4 Q8 Y$ H3 k呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 E6 v) p+ x1 C& W2 kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: q/ E. L  ?/ c3 T8 r* P

# z% ?# i0 c4 `, ]& T" u+ K$ emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 H0 ?' D  r) d3 G% Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# u* T' I3 E8 x# [我只不過微小的基督徒...................* ~: l/ d( q, y' S; N0 a0 g! @
真的!!這不是反話' K: _. q8 P  P) N" h7 B0 `
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: n% i6 y- Y6 F. D0 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, C$ z& W, |9 z% Z2 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  s4 ?) j$ |( p/ d; B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' `! h- c. e1 x4 z! A. @* WWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & Y! X6 C1 O: ]9 O6 V* H8 B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  Y$ k2 I9 j- X: e- \% `4 g
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: g, }) M) h' g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% s; `. U: z2 d# }: Z' j+ ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ h- f8 H9 j# l2 t8 R
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it's starting because we have sins......9 a4 @7 [' i4 R; R; p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 Y% w/ ^& }) p! {3 C- h! h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 A5 n: t) ]1 U7 \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  Z. X! ?+ x* I' r- Z0 G* @# Q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, W( p: w2 y, Z- {7 a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' j, ~  _, z1 ~- E

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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 [  z$ ^  r% c1 Y* E4 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# P, Y% L$ ]( ~6 Q  w' x3 p, A/ Y$ ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# I* K' M9 z1 h9 o+ R9 u: c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,9 e( b7 K+ w4 C9 [6 @3 m$ E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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2 A. ?% N+ ]+ G5 g[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) z! g1 k5 [" [; |% D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ D$ b, Z. }6 a" [  k3 C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- @% `. v0 a2 |" j  ~, {+ X. Z) m" C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ _, D, H2 B2 F) n3 N

2 [" ~- ~( R  W% x6 O0 J0 O1 r" IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. f3 x# c7 M1 N" Q$ IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.