Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 l4 T( ?; Q5 j9 V% q! E2 H/ }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 }+ i7 t" i1 T% \5 v2 {. L+ q" R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( G# q1 d8 R  W$ h道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ t: a: C* g' P呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 r) Y& x0 d" ^% N" O3 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 t" _- M4 h: [
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& w' A8 P, K3 I. V" A

8 B8 F; R+ {/ |, i5 [1 y& W4 Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# C6 j% W2 T# d$ {! b) [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ d) q9 K- e/ n& |3 `9 r# @我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 m  d/ N. N/ u8 t+ d$ a真的!!這不是反話: m* z6 y8 D1 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 V7 l/ L% x7 D$ b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( B) Q8 n- J2 P5 h7 F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
1 o$ t+ V' _) q, k正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 N- U9 B% h7 T# G& E8 L4 H# r$ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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* y6 X+ M4 P. R7 v6 `( lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 C  O3 X0 V' E3 y$ u

7 R1 S1 z; M# P4 R! c0 UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( D& @9 P3 ^" |3 W, d9 |: k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  l" l5 f. Z6 y" D0 }  p4 s( ?
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 i! R& K& M$ x1 k$ k# {& \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# u  L5 Q0 S) |9 W4 c"不信也沒損失"  ^  y5 k" W. R/ f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' V8 j9 t  v) q" L, Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 j5 }/ ~9 f+ |) d7 h

# d$ j" h: H; D3 j) ^3 e+ R5 dit's starting because we have sins......
" ]- @- b+ `3 ]1 F- [& T: Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 d" I! B6 r& v& [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 n+ w0 o8 H) b- V9 V2 ^3 N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' m* n3 F% Q+ Z" E' X. }9 c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ N8 e6 c+ I3 G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 B2 Q+ |" T% W- A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: `# f: y% s# G6 R6 M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% `( d. C& l7 l/ U0 m
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 T0 H2 A* o) P& Z, U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, x: C# O7 |; D* S" }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  R# v  J4 C8 |/ w0 c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# t) [" J! ]& b& ]  t
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& W! q, r! q! K; ^- s
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 S$ J9 }1 z; a- c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 H. w7 f' v4 t2 ?$ R

# D$ \) a8 ]8 _8 D/ D+ A以下是其他人的見解,
7 \9 a% e. [$ x% [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# w7 \% f; Z  \. N  u  d# Y7 ]
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 t7 s. S- v* C$ k( c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 E1 b: {1 Z) R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 c) g. v) P3 s2 O.............信耶穌... ...

8 N' G0 r  t7 @6 b4 O+ }  L! LRegarding the resurrection....( h7 w3 p7 l$ b3 x8 C& ]

' x% C; ], d6 f7 ]( ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.