Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 p! n7 v) x4 g. ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. Q/ h5 {, L( Z# \/ l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( }, ?9 H; n1 l! C5 p' f; J1 h道理我知道好多只係做吳到' R- \5 s0 k* q, b  j! N; e* H9 a% Z. n& v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! P4 H& }: v. |! z; b! Y% n  S

- {0 l, C3 X2 W0 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... X8 k7 Y; Q1 b7 s( ?1 I
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 L6 p! s3 Y$ p" ]* z5 Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ K1 f2 V& A! B3 L  d! N我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ L- J) y( [7 h* R) E4 ]) H
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, K& k1 X$ T: w1 ]$ y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% [" F/ l& O3 M! K6 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 @- Z1 ]. Q3 o% d$ x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* n0 a8 o9 T' o5 O% U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 V# x6 `2 O+ L" G( f) ?% f/ s! LWhat a statement we have here?
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3 A. T* U: l8 j6 l. Y% r/ |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , ]* d8 X) O; A1 @

: s6 ?0 d% L. [. S6 I/ xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 ~; j  l8 \; q& f2 c$ j5 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ p4 a2 k8 t' i1 }  R% v"不信也沒損失") j# J1 [4 `& N, j! w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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; [: G7 v4 z2 Ait's starting because we have sins......) l' @2 n, X0 B7 {% R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ M% F( ^5 i1 @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 [$ f4 e$ _- {8 d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' E( @' h7 U: d' [* y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' w6 Y( ^8 f. H1 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 J: [( L# n8 [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; m4 {* K, H- s4 W  ~! _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& I: }1 v6 B1 s0 h5 [: M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 |  U; _* b/ T/ j% n
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 J+ h$ J4 x% _5 a$ z) g2 e8 v宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, u" F- v# w8 P9 ^$ `0 E

" @1 H* o4 H/ ?, p# Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% R1 o9 C4 K" x8 u  g, P) V/ [/ A- P信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! G# D( E# s# v8 I) }1 i

5 `1 }* Z2 h* `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 d9 G- B. W% I/ z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 g6 O/ ?7 |- l- t# u" y, Q
.............信耶穌... ...

  A* k- l+ e; \7 i9 Z1 F1 F8 t1 |2 W4 TRegarding the resurrection....% |" h* D* E& i, c% i- x

+ D" B  h( ]- Z7 F1 ~+ zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: {( [2 g2 l" P4 A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.