Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 Q% F" U5 D; V. X& f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 n6 n; R2 g! C# P( Y" V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 P4 O& |  A2 ~! v8 M9 A: X5 n道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  f$ H" g# k) `, M: s  H/ ?2 n( b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ V3 B3 K$ _: c2 w% DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 y8 k% D# f( Q* S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  [6 C3 y8 X' C9 t5 |' p% Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! X* c1 ?) O1 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* h7 W2 q, R  f5 h$ _  [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" v8 u! u0 P' l. I真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," U# @9 d0 b( X. w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ L/ R/ R# K% c" [$ Y- @. \- I在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: ~0 d: s3 T7 U4 D) i3 }' l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 D0 [4 w% O& I9 d% J5 i; v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 \( x& k3 b' @% s  IWhat a statement we have here?
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' b9 R# d/ _2 s  @: RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. a4 O. t! [9 @# t. |# sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( X& \; K. ^4 R* z7 F# I5 f9 QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 \+ E. M. Q- }) a; V8 n. \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: @; ^. O3 D9 ~' B% R0 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 H/ L  f3 D2 ^  n% }"不信也沒損失"5 H1 `6 Q( Z1 n8 N4 B) x: i! X4 B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; C2 J( z, [5 J+ d9 Z, sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
" t) {! Z7 T+ Q6 R3 V/ {4 Y8 c- isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 F0 G9 ~7 m( c; _  R" ~. u) ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ I+ o" C: Z5 Q) y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 \* Y1 J" V* ~" o+ O4 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 i: A+ \1 w& S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! x6 x3 m( b4 M" c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) s# ]6 w- V$ I$ H* I1 l4 P1 }1 d. k
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, N8 @! D3 P, J! Y4 [  W( E- E+ s0 T" o

7 m+ h2 K, S; b) y% Y2 w9 @, ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ S! h1 @" X3 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ A6 z% }9 ~1 }  `" e* C! i
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ P3 b+ u+ R* y$ [8 L* a5 Z
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% J# q5 Z% u9 K9 K6 v8 P+ `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. |/ j1 E7 C" a6 k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: \- Y. n3 j( ~1 h" `' H. ?以下是其他人的見解,+ ^& j) H: |2 f" F% d& W, l- H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ m# R3 W" _& m1 X/ _$ ]) b$ H* a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) }0 h1 }1 O/ [" M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( s; o% r, {# n7 M% a* W

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 N% O% Y9 `6 `0 c& s.............信耶穌... ...

# G: e3 [' R  uRegarding the resurrection....
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3 z* y& O3 i8 G- Y0 N1 w# BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  B9 k9 i* F* q6 D2 s# O$ Y

. c, n+ p' ?" M+ F/ }, O' xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.