Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% O) ^- y. N0 D1 p0 V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* Z; Y) {$ p; l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* n& y* V8 y4 }: p$ E1 @8 x7 N5 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! P8 W" m- a& r5 c9 W8 d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% y) p" g/ k' B$ L8 T2 A1 g. oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: p5 G, O  C. @: l. D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& _) s0 ]6 I* I! T- X. Z8 Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 _$ L' l7 L' v# T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 u4 \" h& P% }2 M' U9 q2 @3 N2 A我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 G3 q. h3 V- m* ?# ?9 L
真的!!這不是反話1 v+ j+ d# j4 B$ m" {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; f2 ]7 Y6 o) ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 H* o$ u1 ^1 V" H, q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( r5 Z7 o- [# h- N# N( e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ B% J  C' I! ~" S1 W, Q& h9 ^4 I
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" y# A4 F+ `) V, D/ wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* s( x$ k: `6 R: Y( }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 D2 _0 y! V3 ^3 e  L7 v
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' e/ u% g5 \% f) C7 W$ p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( G& u3 h# v2 ]4 n# y( |; y* c; l"不信也沒損失"1 x: {. E5 h5 R( j$ c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 o$ E) t% P$ F: M# O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 @3 a  `' V' E9 @; d) u! Vit's starting because we have sins......) z1 e% F" h, D' N- f4 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) {+ a- [. C  O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( v' u% _8 J& q: F/ w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* x: o1 j2 S4 _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 {1 i$ F: P# q- h$ d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# X) Z% E) Y# P' v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 E4 f; ~" [  j( [% ?! {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 T9 @+ m1 [, L! y+ e- j* q+ b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 y: t0 K7 r) G5 \

( l  }, m# g" p" R$ {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 x3 t! Q* z! R1 m7 \; ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 O: c% K: n! S

1 e* s4 }; B, q! t  I7 Z' o: i0 L以下是其他人的見解,
7 [$ a+ Z  q4 A2 m% ]. I看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; U- G3 J6 V" y5 w
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" H$ ^% R9 V7 y4 U' X
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" R% x! F) \* s6 U# w
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 z* h5 M. Y; W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 g6 Q, Q7 L' s+ P, S# L
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....7 v) e5 q6 e- e, d: R7 j

2 A  k( o, Z/ b3 N" iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  G/ ~( H5 x$ j# {7 e
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.