Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 N+ X9 k" L, C) E) K/ t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 ]$ n) _( r6 H7 }( ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  F3 e9 G! m# }! |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 J4 j+ a+ d0 t& W

" F6 f. v& B; k; D. v9 KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' T! h# ]; x, d! d; G" H/ t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 k( j  l- |, R5 R3 f7 @& a8 gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 |7 j, Q% a' S3 }! b我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# ~+ [. A, F  R1 X因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 ?) a4 H: U. b0 y9 ~& [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: S' d* g: ~0 h9 O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 E3 M* [$ u: g3 q7 y8 a# _& R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( m! P1 C9 @! D$ L# ]What a statement we have here?
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  L. P' c8 D6 v2 A, \+ S. E. r, O5 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ F% {( M* n. r& y! j+ ]
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 C# q8 S0 N1 Q; A, v"不信也沒損失"# N+ e6 a0 ?/ D2 {5 F% |$ h6 q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 d+ n; j, t3 i6 L( m1 P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 e' i' v, e* F3 s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") K) R# B9 R, i( H3 m; {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" q. C/ ^' b- ?1 F  {+ X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( B/ z# j/ d8 a" u% T. {- z0 O. E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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  o. ^: y& C$ I* A  X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. ?; u( T" @7 _5 d0 t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: B: u' t" E/ P/ B5 I" T. c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 [8 @- r% p# i8 @( r, _' B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 y' ]& ^9 `( q3 _2 T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 v  G1 q4 c$ e6 J0 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: R# {2 k0 ^3 }4 D1 c) N( `
.............信耶穌... ...

8 X) i) r, m# R) J. N4 ?Regarding the resurrection....' [+ @- G: W  m& ^* B& e+ y8 Z5 {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.