Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* d3 s" H& v! I* m; z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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6 I  l0 w2 f9 g" i! \& p2 d3 @& H+ V1 A道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: a% b* N) I: I% ^呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* \6 q  H. t/ |; `% R6 _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* T2 X! I7 @: X3 q* s

  Z" T' C; }9 P" m% Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  z4 \( w2 c( nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& J, F' {* E! i: n: M2 {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# g/ z+ E% d# u. l% T! u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: h& A  U$ I; j! c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 L# ?8 K. v) z# g/ }( l5 `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 q; D$ _3 w+ c3 O. N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ a  J# k4 n$ m- c6 U9 P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% U. ?$ {9 s/ N% G2 R1 l

  ?' q: ~4 G* o# H6 z" s# d/ j) d; b% RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ N- q- F6 B. z8 t4 i+ @( A5 ^
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! r( D4 F9 C$ n4 A  D/ u/ e6 zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! X6 N+ J& i. h6 I' l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; b4 x! c( c4 {* F/ a  U8 _/ Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' K% J' E+ U$ K4 H! n& n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." U+ \; Q! a- D/ Y) P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 u3 m3 e3 [/ @3 ^( k! G0 b( b
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it's starting because we have sins......
3 t4 a1 q$ i2 d' x, P2 J9 Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! F! T& @; ~$ h  h! ^$ V1 Jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% S. P) ]- j9 K6 S" p) O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 h, b# v* s- j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 I: Q+ V8 c) [8 ^' _$ k' v6 b. V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& R$ v! \0 }5 @2 K3 [1 q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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4 t+ v9 _2 I- G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ a3 x0 e' k" Z" G8 A& c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. B6 Q9 F. P# Y. Z* I7 O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 G& B$ \! _( z4 \! y: E% Q

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# n  p) X' [- N8 u  ^( z% b信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( i1 l) ?0 M$ a* B& h) k) f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( f% ~1 Y' {. ^8 R$ r% w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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/ m7 ]! M( k3 \8 G+ ~Regarding the resurrection....
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, X. R! D2 U' ~2 _. w- Z/ bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.