Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: F( x0 v/ ]2 O3 C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 S1 m+ o( i3 E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. h. i3 P& z) D: g. D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% a' L/ M- }% o9 t5 {4 [) e7 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ [! W: Y  y: }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." n: e/ J% E: N$ C" j: A, f

- C- E# j/ z0 \: B# X3 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  k  ^1 q" v5 q  x) |/ z

0 k+ w, z' x) b/ I( m1 ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; S" o0 Q- O& `1 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' ?- ]$ t* ~, l$ d' E我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 [0 H- q, C1 }" j! J. I/ O
真的!!這不是反話- O, p& G6 Q( s0 ^2 v$ K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
( S1 C& c+ g( O. ~3 K% C* G2 O/ Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' t; q# ?1 n1 d" s1 [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 r, @, c& k0 `: p9 E4 X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 k. l. V1 F0 F' R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?: h2 Q* V- {& }6 F1 ?

  ~& y7 A) M3 h4 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / T% d4 l5 [7 Y6 \
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 H1 ^( t: Q9 }' l& B7 Z& ]$ ?

$ n4 f8 D0 C) T# z0 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 j  S7 _3 Y" v' E" N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": s* B& L) _: G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) T4 K; [2 {& H7 I/ H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 l. d- h6 S' L2 [7 g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 e- o& s5 S9 f* _! c( s' U' r3 J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 h3 T& ?' l$ _; u* g# b4 J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 r$ D" h7 V4 D2 P6 v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) P$ |& p0 I9 \. a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ L+ y; _, _6 D/ z1 S- b0 o

: p5 s: }# |, M/ J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: p" f. f4 o4 \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 m1 b4 z9 K; y3 X+ w

! @: u& O2 b& G# s4 `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! G4 R+ M0 X' _" j$ [+ m# i改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ [1 y+ ^# n( Q$ m9 O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 R5 p, c% w& `! D! G% C/ w  g$ L, U- M
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  L( C; n6 T& @7 [
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: u0 X; x) Q) O- z" e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. z9 o" A1 y. K& ~( `) [. i1 z' |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- N. I. K; A0 x  h( v& \) s3 e8 _1 _
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm" ]4 f3 H/ m) F: q! D! Q

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 }6 s, o4 e2 z7 w/ G$ A. q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ P$ |& K. D2 B

& \( w5 Q' n7 |/ X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! m- p' O1 m! q6 `/ }

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) A+ S, Q  f$ C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.