Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 ?& e' D" }) Y6 T  z0 ^/ Z: r6 R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; r' `2 T8 g- C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* C( D2 z0 \7 ~9 tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 A, j) O" C+ ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ v+ M1 A4 z3 r7 `" K" d3 w8 s
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 F( z0 |4 I6 Q6 z4 T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' Y* L8 Y3 _- m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& v9 i+ l0 J! J% {  K+ q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?: e' A$ S: U! b$ b  y# v; s: [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, i+ K3 v" }; y) j; Z1 ^* Q7 v8 w2 z; II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 h$ s' d, \; k! ^, L4 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' ]7 r. L, J6 sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins....... `1 t, Y0 a5 a; D+ U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 M4 O  c3 {2 _, Q, S. ~9 J) x" m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 a( c# j/ a' c1 v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, O  g, o" L7 I. ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; O" j% w6 E7 o! Y6 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: }7 L, ^3 |: ?' |1 _  X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 _) H8 e% T5 z7 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 B) C0 ]( T1 ^+ @. H5 F+ w# @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% {- X2 v5 p- w+ K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& u0 I2 G$ Y% j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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* _* n' i' Z$ H" V! o宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 I' Y6 J1 J7 I" N, h0 w信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ }% F0 D) u/ b6 a% ~
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以下是其他人的見解,8 ^# G* F* v& \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* e0 v, ]: w2 I4 y4 s3 ~
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 A0 j# c6 X: t- K( g: D: A. }1 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 y5 D2 ]. S8 V- V

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( r! X( x0 {' [" h! f+ t
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ g5 J& [8 C3 q; kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* ^- k7 F" H0 w: }# ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.