Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ @3 |6 N3 H* Q" }3 k6 W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 D: N3 m8 ?: W: R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ [" N0 F; a# a$ g$ \$ W) `道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 D$ A% p( t/ l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) T6 x7 q6 F' t% [3 |* BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 _# `" e8 {' o4 t5 q# {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( `: V3 k" }$ |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% s/ N! C1 A4 j& e/ Z  g3 q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! z0 S% O. e! I& A2 I. ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  n4 }5 p4 O3 H& I' M0 J6 o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ I1 P+ n" I5 W, D( q1 c3 A真的!!這不是反話: c% ~( Z! j6 `) g% ~( D0 L2 x
因為我是情感比理性強的人! L) m+ R$ V- r, M: }3 r; H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 c! [' x1 _' X$ w6 V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; N! ?( F+ Y6 K; l$ m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& I8 n. L' z2 W$ G* {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + a& ~, X/ ?. \  i. ~# W. N

+ H/ O  U: c, }! J% j) sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 o2 B; w* u% J9 [# a+ x* v, q, _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 m1 b% {4 x! W* w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* t7 r  k, ^8 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ ^" {9 ^1 F- G. e6 _2 U( K- WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 M( A' `. b  L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- i+ Z' r0 g7 _( W( e2 V0 x* f, @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * W6 ~' U4 r; l& {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 B% S! F* V& [# v) M) o7 ~; O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# }( m& m1 a( t& K- c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& Q+ v4 t" f3 j7 u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 J/ S9 n% ?- e9 W6 `0 H* o8 d+ @9 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 b' i2 B& p1 _  T% `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: `3 d# d1 A' {* x+ I. \. b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 S- r5 l. V. w' ]

. s. G9 E- P" j( V. \7 j) |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) Y& j( Z* W9 y9 r) S, o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# K8 K' x! V5 p9 k% C9 T
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* V1 o/ N2 ]8 ~8 N$ V2 _: ?
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 k0 t1 Y; R9 w$ `  B% y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  I* W0 P+ L% X9 n% i& K9 N* B, C
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. R# o3 Q, b. Z  l9 K
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以下是其他人的見解,
8 y5 d2 n5 Z+ D* {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 h2 u6 p& W) R7 h8 X  Z3 Q) U' f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: H( ~* z' D$ z; f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 G2 v5 S. ~$ {( p5 {) I+ E" F
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. |, [: X- D9 i- ~
.............信耶穌... ...

" y! k( ?) v% ~7 sRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- U6 H4 U, D1 `! C1 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.