Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" f% m8 H$ p$ a- e3 L+ m, i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( r3 B& v( {! W" y道理我知道好多只係做吳到; O, D8 s6 f# o" s. _7 ?8 B7 f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ N9 u4 L) N9 g! Q1 u- s! p2 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# W# X+ A9 G% Y" g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ [- o1 c+ r5 hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ Y! @5 y: z  P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 H* o6 |% X% g3 N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' R) J2 r; t' ^2 h+ \7 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 L9 z/ _3 g+ x* v& m6 d# a, D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; _. A# j, c, Y7 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! C+ ]/ Z7 q- A) v3 {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* `' _) ~6 n  y$ M7 J9 d. Y" W

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 d9 k  {& l, j3 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, n1 K+ G" i5 e# a* U4 R9 k"不信也沒損失"
+ z* T, N/ D! {2 L6 m, ^; o. F) nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) P* \9 @9 g, `# _6 Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) G3 D1 r* B% K: B1 ]6 l( ^7 Dit's starting because we have sins......
7 Q8 U) r- f/ v, K& @+ ?7 Z8 Z- u- d# B, Gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 p3 l" E9 i: ~# F* A  S: r0 s" Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 r3 R: v; O0 L: o7 O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 F3 [" J$ Y& s5 e6 z0 G' L7 A) y) F& Q2 ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 Q# U$ I  u) `2 n* S6 U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ |, m# H0 D+ z% b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  O2 e- `4 N' N9 I  g! @) P, |6 H! r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 Q) D& `: p% `, U: s; D改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; Q1 l& ?: r1 A- O9 D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 L# C+ V- M$ j& Q; E, X2 [

! {" X& i1 ~/ v) f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 [, {" R7 M5 ~  n' }; i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 h' u5 C2 {8 \9 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 |, E- j+ ^1 q/ ~- x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. A8 S1 F% G+ R; K- u" I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! `+ l8 P+ E: C5 ~+ q) B) ?$ _
.............信耶穌... ...

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- \9 D% [/ N2 G. X- p9 Q' k. M3 bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ A2 U. A1 T. |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.