Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 G) f1 @) `; _: Y* S8 I. z0 F我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 J3 U# V( b7 K. K% p, h4 r6 ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  t' u/ Z6 L, o% o! d1 Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到  ]8 {6 p* `) G2 p" ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, \1 t& f6 p6 j: v0 Y1 @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., t6 f3 U+ M6 P8 O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 N% i! ^  S) p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人9 p( }- T* b# t  R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ V  Z% n0 j& d* i& y& S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 P% L" B: j4 q  _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 ]3 c8 |# f' d+ }+ _6 J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% [" n2 C5 B6 k8 e  H5 F2 dWhat a statement we have here?, m" K# \. n2 n6 F  \* _% h5 g
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! e% q8 l2 X5 m  X: k# k

; u3 g/ ~. N3 G9 ?' ]' oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* U3 r: a. B2 E7 B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' e2 ~# i" H, M* H+ k# ~8 Y* g. vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 `* c2 n% Z5 ?- i
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 y1 |2 M. e9 ]! |1 S

/ x! q% C9 i/ O$ _it's starting because we have sins......4 u! _/ c! ^8 T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * M/ a( r5 k( n$ V5 @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 z! C9 \, Q% _* i: J只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 j% V- `8 Z1 ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. I/ C7 i1 y% u& F2 Y- x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" L8 v  T5 Q6 ^: b: o- j* y+ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 }; G0 Y& u! q# ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# \5 l" O8 O& f) G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* y- P5 A2 x' q" O# S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 d# X) c. X- G1 u6 Q$ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& {9 ?! v/ t6 h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# s4 e4 k7 J4 s  _: D

; U. A" c) N9 m5 \8 u* d% S) V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 v- K8 ]: s" N6 `! D: v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 m7 u: ?1 Z5 M( [/ @

  t/ Q$ L3 i5 W. g1 r( V( c3 R以下是其他人的見解,
8 g: c- Q# O& a1 m* Q: {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 u+ {& o4 E- q" M6 }) u- D$ @" C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 D& u; {/ w5 n. o6 O

1 f6 N2 u. X4 t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ {7 B  T4 h# _7 v) N* q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% K! w" }3 b+ Z4 h4 G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 A4 ?1 X3 Y! j9 s4 {' Q1 R5 L8 C.............信耶穌... ...

- u4 V9 ~$ N5 `- oRegarding the resurrection....- i$ D* f2 f7 c  P

9 G8 E  [4 j1 S7 q1 w3 e1 jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.