Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# s) i$ l' N" j3 W  d( c$ M& s! ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( z2 U: M" m! f( J道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 ?" h- \4 ?2 ~  Q* r1 ~- _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, ]* d5 b& Y& l& C  RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 `5 ^5 b' V; Z8 c! X/ {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 h2 P9 H5 ^+ d, L+ K1 q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) l2 {7 a: e, W8 [, Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 A+ q3 a5 d2 k* O9 C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ n  P2 ?* B9 `7 W" b' g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ r4 H( H$ g/ A: x, w8 b+ @. |) P所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  ^$ p6 k% J+ C$ f+ m0 t# j% P3 k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 ?" p, ?9 f/ {& `! {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ O! N3 `+ O; }* e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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; _5 @0 h1 o, r. v  EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) B' T- V/ v8 p
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( e# T! K7 l/ g6 n! L. m6 \* D

0 ~' E/ V3 T& N0 FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- k/ l/ a9 y, d2 n4 Z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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2 B- I3 G5 V* S& q( C"不信也沒損失". u6 W! N' J+ s9 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 }- f+ Z# s& U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 Y0 Q: T- T% }/ O. hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! r0 i( d$ h' v& n, Z% `3 o1 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 y  `/ C( U, U, X* t. e. t/ G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* }+ R! H0 c- h) M+ p, m* k* |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% h$ y+ x. `: h" {/ p) ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! ]  U) c- S. e3 J- a  Q4 `  O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* S( u" e/ k7 n; ^; A( b% ?  q. I9 Y

8 r, ]0 V' N, Q. x; z1 F& `4 G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ?8 E4 p) a4 W1 O; R8 t: X5 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& [8 U0 g) Q' s  L+ K% F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 k% z8 h- C6 j8 P- I' r# C+ r) M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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* u2 _- e; t( u7 n* s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 p9 f" }+ x7 s# h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 B5 [0 d5 K& k& D- e8 t) y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 v7 L8 l$ B: k* T

; \( A+ }! E$ B# f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 {# |$ Q# d7 V# W, r' l
.............信耶穌... ...

" D& R* f- n1 n; j6 WRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' D. L. A' l! K) t# C& eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.