Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 d4 @( g3 |  x& s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' r3 `7 ^, F$ i$ Y. T# M0 r* VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# A* m/ B4 _8 G

8 }1 v% }  Q& TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 s9 s) s5 l8 R3 y, w& L1 O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." Y9 N- e2 d- C

. b. F8 _4 g* \* W) p7 kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! \8 J6 H- k  K$ {2 Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  u' E/ u  J9 i, J: l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 f8 p. C" x# ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* X4 u) ^, s" J+ `/ F, J6 VWhat a statement we have here?, b0 S( f  i% M2 A2 ], K% l/ Y5 x
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( u5 ~: ]5 B$ t0 g# N6 v1 v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% s' O( [/ T3 M' U6 v9 o3 m- ^* D& Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ I; p( N  {7 y3 L4 s1 Z' c"不信也沒損失"( A. B; U: v6 p8 H8 I% }8 t# w  X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: K' f+ B$ b3 e0 G0 Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 j! X8 g2 h8 B7 [it's starting because we have sins......
$ E1 u8 W8 `# r) r! gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 i) l6 ]9 m4 K7 V1 p8 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ e: \& l- Y# o0 N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 a( i/ H1 |$ u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 g3 Q" `/ _: T' v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& O2 Y( \$ S' b( u. o# {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 [( w# \, ~% H# O1 i" W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& {0 |5 f6 d6 n2 n  e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ b( Z4 k, u- D- D, G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. U! j2 U/ [5 |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( V8 ?3 H$ I4 f1 X. G8 ^6 L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, m8 {' b6 t% X; t- B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ L; X% j) ^% x( ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ H# e, F4 {/ Z1 w# g& V- e# j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" l- N" y5 Y* G, Z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) t% S0 M9 F9 j& Z! t6 i
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; j' t5 z$ Z7 \+ A5 @0 I/ F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( l& A7 g0 X- z1 d* \4 A' }" z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# Y: j2 G8 _( s% V+ D* N( g* l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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: c" U& j6 o) o% \) J同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ ]% |5 V  _! R! z.............信耶穌... ...

0 ]- d; g- a- }Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.