Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ e8 i! M; @) Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 d! g5 `: K+ N) x/ N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 H( m3 y9 X. z* O  t, `- m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 V; C) w3 s8 T! b8 b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 }! N2 E0 K! ?9 u# P. _  bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% x" N8 b2 V/ r# t2 K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 _2 J4 a; w1 j" N! I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 R1 D* G( n9 r) f
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., O  d+ n: f0 T, ?+ `* a% ?9 }8 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! `' c) J4 X/ s4 v7 f5 K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) S# [- z2 n+ K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 @7 o0 N8 V0 e  D( d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. i0 S. I- W4 T% g. H1 ^" Q+ i& P- }; |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. X3 N! g: |  F) M; r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ G9 Z, c7 V5 @"不信也沒損失"0 s  g# g& @! {% X! y# X" W8 B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& B0 L4 O5 Y7 w2 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) X7 W) ^9 O+ I: B

0 b9 O8 C5 p+ mit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( l, _! S: g* S: B8 ^( s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; C$ {1 D) D) L( {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& R- s- q4 E) x8 p! `5 y1 V1 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( R3 r# @6 k+ v: J" s8 k9 u, {. v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 x7 M! e0 ^9 r# `  s4 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 ?9 }. {9 r+ l3 o2 S% _7 V; z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 H9 h. F0 U1 t) `1 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 S4 N" F8 e: e* F4 @9 t

$ a7 V5 K* l* s4 E# R4 K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 C2 B8 D, ~7 `8 E- Y  X; a& t3 z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# Y9 K  z( E: S1 W, S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 O. O  _3 I9 M( K

4 |- h9 _0 ?, u' c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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5 l1 b6 {) F0 ^+ c3 e以下是其他人的見解,9 c7 i0 Q( ^4 G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: H) B3 Z' f& G  V
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 o1 ], Q1 _4 s9 ~- C8 o/ E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. E% W9 x+ c) F' E: c

5 c( Q1 v- V+ Q# E1 D2 p9 Q* x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 S5 P" f  w5 B
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- @6 r2 I. |5 J# d5 Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) O9 F, E1 V/ S- N.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 H5 r0 m3 N+ _: V9 ]) |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.