Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* M9 F6 m+ @: _# D. h& o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; o" B, Z+ K4 N1 v9 `# b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. D) x5 K* |3 |* P/ x3 UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 x3 x0 S! c  u: J7 c7 q1 [& {3 u/ V" PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 h6 c8 E7 n( W9 C* wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 [5 q* L4 g/ Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 k+ K& Y1 h, _, _  \我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 C* H; M. U# e) `3 ]% t/ a
真的!!這不是反話$ S6 s& d" u' l2 G0 A" r. e
因為我是情感比理性強的人. Q; E/ b% y9 z) _3 j0 i5 E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. e4 Y; K9 \& P2 g! N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! [+ o( w: B! f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  v; K0 C( h, m6 j, B7 n+ G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" R. Y3 F  I9 W8 N0 B% yWhat a statement we have here?
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( O% \  S) h; c; |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 u( f# O! ]4 C0 h) g, b/ y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. h- |/ \# D1 t9 _  c5 B; _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 k" G" g  h, X7 L$ e: w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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% d# W7 ^* F4 U9 s& l) l2 h"不信也沒損失"
$ G; p, g! g9 q7 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) `3 D1 z; v  o0 z- g* O2 p! }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......( Y# _1 w9 \+ `/ x4 f7 K8 k2 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ f. [+ h- y6 O0 Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 u7 r" j+ Y* |/ _只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 Q! G: d9 b) B# D, j3 G- A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 e; {3 T& m2 C" \( A4 d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 m$ A! O4 f" T2 U8 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 e- G5 Z4 e, ~. J# U6 F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 R, i3 i; P; Z- L3 A
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- h1 N. [  C7 ~" b$ `9 [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% b0 z7 h1 _2 G( M; [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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3 g! f% v& G  K3 Q6 c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, a. ~5 P0 x7 n8 F+ o* `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' Q7 D. R, a% `  z3 P/ ]以下是其他人的見解,
( U* b% @6 y2 Y' [' M$ K. ^' M6 D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. q6 V: H7 [7 c5 @4 t: S1 m$ s) g
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( G* k$ h' G* x; L6 M9 {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, P, k: n4 ^& y$ D! Y7 X* O同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) ~( R# q7 P; F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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% `8 v3 z* L( e* B1 w0 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; ~6 ]8 g! j4 {. ]+ |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.