Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- a+ ?2 h' A: H, x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 B; ]$ P; n* b0 r, n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* o: q3 |& R5 b
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! }; r& F; C, m, P9 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' w4 l9 b# D: R/ O6 echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& i  ^6 W+ m9 {, S我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 ?: R, F2 S3 l) e/ F- w" o
真的!!這不是反話5 a8 e5 x+ v6 _2 `+ J0 F9 q5 z
因為我是情感比理性強的人& p5 Y- s: ?: x& b
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," }& i6 f7 t* S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# f0 f% {) z" V$ O: j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, B( t! a# r$ S# Y5 W: r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 G/ K2 j, u0 Y9 {# I: z" p4 h

$ X5 n* n' I1 j; |1 S. _5 d0 r  @" g" wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 e8 Q# `/ n: T, p; k7 [

# {# f$ l) a$ s; |% z; z' h% ]" yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ B3 m4 ]3 r; J7 m2 ^( d

5 L) n% T  m) z' H1 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 L& R; F/ @/ Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 o% y4 o0 N4 Q2 h

8 ?4 @2 ~) J: Y# x; L  ^( Cit's starting because we have sins......8 h) Y8 k1 L$ W5 f2 }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ M+ Y. @! y' qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
) n. A1 T2 P0 H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 h8 K$ X* W- V- e# |" I- p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ n: q( J* |& @' y2 r$ R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 X% Y, ~4 B; u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% U. ~  ^0 V* `$ J$ j/ y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 y1 M2 U- m& Q. Z) [2 @2 A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 N- W1 b8 ]) f0 S, x) v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" |/ H0 [& U1 u/ U2 }3 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: z- z; n+ M6 b7 I/ u8 G
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( x% u$ }' C/ L9 U7 g1 m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  w( @" J# X5 X0 A6 o4 p2 p

! p4 B, w4 q- W, G' P以下是其他人的見解,
% ]; m, R3 u" T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- Q, c: H8 g, G" i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" P/ w' s) ]2 Q1 y9 t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ B( M. [+ V0 f. I5 D1 ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 `( R7 D( u/ Z/ e+ K. T, _: z6 b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ Q+ n8 _" h- o# }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 a" M  |2 s; A! Y3 M3 B

5 p0 `$ S; P' y+ x/ z6 ]9 MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.