Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ R9 {' M5 o$ _0 K* J) B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) O5 r2 {, z, e$ c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' ]- L# |0 f% _# L9 Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 w9 p5 L* _+ W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 i% @# }8 y( o- X  m# jNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 d3 m1 V) l5 H3 n# b+ b/ ]$ K) Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ @8 E$ ]/ j' q& f7 {0 j! Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 L6 [: ~0 O& I' ?1 K* n9 \
真的!!這不是反話$ ~# ?, u$ h* h6 ?- ^  t
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; Y) ?) s8 D' P+ o% v0 |! ^0 S1 A1 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! a5 E8 }+ f- }/ b+ q* b4 T% Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- _& E3 ^, F* r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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% L" @& D  R( i% t8 t; a5 EWhat a statement we have here?+ g* K+ U$ K- [) h5 M/ h

6 N8 E3 g* S# ]  o+ m- Z) L% _Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 e. V& k: c& s3 \- z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( n" O5 V2 T/ k6 A0 Q7 E% m4 P) r

  e( e4 z/ }7 h+ S" ^& f4 V+ cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" j- n5 w! E4 \" }0 q) @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 H. T( |2 J  J3 a& p8 d( y"不信也沒損失") x  T1 o* Y) C" C1 W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ ~" V3 ?: g( U% ~4 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ g$ ?1 \' J3 m  Iit's starting because we have sins......
8 d% q( z5 f# Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . |3 W% L# m' u, h- C! \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( a/ q1 b9 d& B0 W; T8 I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( V6 y. J! K9 s/ q/ @; O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 {' n: E) P1 B' d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 y$ A7 X5 v7 E" B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! P! m9 J. l8 A- E, _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," M7 ]0 z$ N1 e2 ?" P, n+ z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& ^$ H' t* N: s; D2 b( [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 q6 q8 }0 O5 Z. e  E+ h# F7 \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( m; G' w3 ?7 M) R. u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 [) K8 H3 i+ O9 T4 ~6 W. m以下是其他人的見解,6 F( l- J& f* X0 O# O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 @6 l5 x( F% l! V  Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& l- k) t1 l% V7 V% J, a5 H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 u$ ~% p% n# E/ U% @/ E# o# {

. {( M* ]1 f! o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( O8 z# j8 S# K0 k. Y7 U, d- B( [
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 s# I  U2 }1 c6 z- r.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 t9 a) I4 \( }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' C0 h4 ^! q! a6 I% z1 G

7 M. x# N* R# ^$ \9 k! u2 u6 fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.