Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" D' l$ a" S5 s, v5 H9 v我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ \  s4 a2 m7 q' N" k* z7 ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! X) v. U  [9 X, g道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% A/ v, N, X* \

4 G9 S+ `. N3 |  Q* s/ FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ P& ^2 n5 g3 [0 N) W2 g! u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 Q$ r% @! X! q9 f, e
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& v- F* g3 u# N6 F6 A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 C% p: ?$ E4 C! ]9 f: G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' n3 _; |( U3 c; `/ v# ?
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, S! ^! ^) _2 g4 J0 B/ @% _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; _+ u/ a9 V8 ~+ N$ @: \% }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ l# |( E" N( f) u) Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 s! c) u7 ?* X, g9 V6 F" Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; n; j, n( N5 ^+ S

  F& t- b: H- I; e" ~* y" q) rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* g8 v4 X6 M( t+ Z: VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 x( Y; w1 Z4 \1 S- z2 k( U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  H! @% P9 Z" L& E+ l6 `"不信也沒損失"1 ]% A% S# q0 s% m" B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. H9 ]1 x4 Y$ D! E$ X# Q5 |" i' kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 W! I8 P5 s6 z' Z1 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* c5 G: w9 O8 G9 @- vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& }3 l( B5 ^0 ]6 H( D. Q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& T7 Q& d! U- Z' D  v. q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 E, Q; g9 ]  g. B& b1 N, i  M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& M. ^. V1 N' `9 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," \' S: h  F' K! N) ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' Q1 w+ z( W" K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. Z* j6 J5 `2 A  Y4 l6 g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ P+ Y2 d% r% ?- w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ y6 y2 l3 I9 ]: z9 d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; L: u2 m: h+ v

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* @: T% |- X! X( ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& q6 e* C' z4 G  x& f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) [- g. h& J# g. s) v1 g4 O5 g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: n8 a/ O( a5 O7 W9 C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 g% X6 P, P3 o0 t% C+ ?- l同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. s1 D% }; U1 i9 B.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  u8 N2 L5 d/ f/ |* iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.