Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) I! U/ O0 \1 w' \( }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到% g0 a1 w! f2 F! F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 S1 z- i/ a0 F
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  a( E5 w' d. P0 Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; E3 S, ?' C4 `2 M; H' wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  V2 Q+ g0 [5 ~- q9 L+ X6 M' ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 x$ q8 J) T+ m. N5 @* c7 X' I
真的!!這不是反話0 B- ?% e& K: u4 B" z8 W
因為我是情感比理性強的人* \# ^/ q. G5 z2 T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 H" M9 M" b  D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ y2 \5 ^% f* Z7 |' m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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% O# H9 F/ H1 D" b; gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 }3 j9 {6 ~- [4 b, m. W- I

$ s7 K7 i" c+ T! ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ A# A7 ]' c  I2 V/ H2 VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( s9 z. L" O! |# Q
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: G- ~8 N8 Z3 a: |* I) R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# {( |$ v* X! A- w"不信也沒損失"
% f) L* S- i; R: h; |- hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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0 }+ R7 |; V1 }) `- q+ |* Sit's starting because we have sins......9 Y3 G7 y" r( g3 _' y/ R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* }! U1 u! \; C  L, q; j8 I1 _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# G& Q; {. \1 N* K* k+ S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! \; X1 X9 N* g1 A& ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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, a! I9 H, [  T) x1 W  S' U: r: i/ `, ?如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 |8 J  q& r9 k" h4 y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 l  A2 F4 g8 v4 ]3 P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ @# l4 Y- Y: _4 X4 ?5 `) ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, G6 y1 x. {" n/ ~4 l1 D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* {5 z9 V8 K: y' S. R8 n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ W! M4 W- u4 R7 X0 G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 g4 R* b1 E% U) S' D1 C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," S2 S4 G. I  x8 m; s; J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& G, _# k0 h/ y  d0 Z! ?
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' w- ^0 F0 a+ J, [) S$ `, M( [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ }) H0 y1 ]; M; }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 A* k. Y+ |. W1 m* Y. f6 O.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 M1 U+ r4 D& U7 k

0 B6 p) Y5 t5 m5 y) g/ XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.