Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, H9 x3 W7 j& R, x3 e: S1 ~% `" R我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; V% X1 Z3 {9 q6 n6 ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 Z1 |9 ~1 A1 i- [0 K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( S% C( e) ?" y& ~. ^6 ?; `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* j1 ]7 ~. ^3 T/ ]- ~3 @0 ?" _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( r" t  K: F4 ^/ A5 _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 a0 u3 B( z$ [, h/ C  f真的!!這不是反話
$ D" v! E: j8 E0 q2 c8 p因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ ^% T+ A: U7 H$ ~% l所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! g- F; x' I  p! s8 }. {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 k  u( `% Z4 @" [* n! G  n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 t& n2 h$ E, S5 t( Q) F# r$ [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 m1 l1 ~+ i: }2 Z2 B0 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# y$ W5 U- N9 j2 U6 y, gWhat a statement we have here?
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3 P: J* M$ a$ h7 V5 o. _9 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ \" |1 q. f) [( M* P6 mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ {( O3 D$ T5 p: N2 o$ W/ ?' b) r
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! i5 y# C3 c8 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 A. R  Q( ?0 x2 F9 A
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 [6 O" ^+ X6 t% D- bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! P8 D% a# M0 F( _' i
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ X+ Z& N: e. t! f; osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 l( I1 Q2 r* W8 W+ J( d3 |/ jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 E% Y: L' ]. I+ U. W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 j3 R* J4 {- J- e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) ^* k( f- l8 K7 M- ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 E% s. g) b( T2 Q% R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 f9 X! r3 w+ U" h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ j8 A5 i% Z& T4 i% V8 f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- j( s$ O" ?5 X* W* W1 G- k0 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- g% S( U. n$ I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 E$ o$ K0 S  I# S. K改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 R& ?% H; q$ ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  k1 N$ ]6 K9 A6 \. U* b0 p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 Y% H) H) k3 J& M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  \4 B  l, F0 `8 p. z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 m2 Q. d, G8 M0 v/ R* p) n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 o1 V. i2 x% Z8 S

8 v2 X4 u% S. k2 c. z7 a" c  C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ x4 Z$ {( S  s& J) i8 _) I8 a$ q3 P

. D- L5 s" i: [3 S. W" t  j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 W' W! ?& d, P7 c5 c9 T

3 t8 C* ~4 x3 D0 t4 Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 K; G/ ?  T, t

5 a* W: i- J! I+ K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 F" P6 W! d0 w5 q, M% [8 o6 `0 F6 h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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+ w; b$ y+ u* q5 B4 ?# FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- A' F/ W) }% ~  M/ A5 a
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.