Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ b: l  ^. W+ X$ ]3 }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 h6 v. G) T" q: R" ]- o道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 T9 ?' I2 K8 U+ s6 h6 B) \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  [; I6 w- q* s* e! y% W  J  fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( @# W/ D7 g+ d1 t" J* j% S$ ?' j

4 q2 B3 c) g0 m7 J( {' q* O  eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., k8 Q4 s) ]& s$ A0 Q7 W* _) R) l

. v# c0 S) w' c* |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. z) H3 I$ [2 a  H; R; d- ^5 }9 E9 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 X* a0 J# q: z) Z8 b我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! U: e0 R1 o( T真的!!這不是反話
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  D/ ]+ E/ \( ~所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 Z( \  u4 \5 t% O- J1 X" ^$ r. j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 z; a) Z2 R$ D! d$ e* [9 T$ O! j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 @, J* k& ^+ }4 a1 M5 \* D4 e) |! O# e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- Y! g; X+ K$ w2 r  V4 B6 MWhat a statement we have here?
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+ P6 Q& Y, `% c$ }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% z% p6 |1 R$ Y, c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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4 T* O; u5 Z2 a8 R% s9 v[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# H: S8 I; b0 X- G+ I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"3 P, t) B) f9 ?0 p, |3 o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! _& r2 b5 S8 q* n, ~2 L) abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' e  J; H. D$ Z+ N# @

" c! n# ^0 [& t. ]it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ F8 {/ r0 X7 Q; j& f% P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ z  G1 }# z) W( S- a" @4 n* @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( j  H% A6 g, |4 b% y2 T9 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: H% J6 m, ~$ ]! E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) }, x' q4 F  m/ E4 ?
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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' M) N4 l/ U( |1 G/ H) U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' {0 U: j( ?  A- ]. B1 R5 P& o
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- T3 U+ P2 _' h: ^# r' }) B( \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" S! \, z! v/ R& ]0 p
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以下是其他人的見解,- G  h# {2 H2 b- ]" h% F% _1 _5 a  _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 y6 d' E" q. K2 D  |
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 s9 [0 v8 _& ^8 d7 H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) s% R4 v3 [3 _1 x, ?) N$ U& `

8 |) @$ T7 j" t* `* L6 l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 F& g+ a7 d; G& x/ h

( F6 n6 }1 l3 Y3 o1 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ N+ ?$ d8 ?8 d; }.............信耶穌... ...

' L, J# C( ]6 |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( L# w+ Q/ f7 p+ L6 g4 l8 {6 d% QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.