Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 I  k( b% d% q) V% K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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+ C2 d6 B( V8 k8 `道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ I1 F/ j* c% B: O/ z& P) z% b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 p2 w0 \4 b- F# C( k4 w& }% d3 c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% d, a  i  ~" U/ Q  d2 D% D$ {

7 o7 m7 Q: H. c4 h8 R" Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 I6 Z! W$ _+ l4 P2 v) n! \" Y! L+ z

  S9 A# N) F4 x' fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; B  b/ h0 J$ `7 _& R: F+ Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 ^) z3 x3 s1 ~3 @; ]. n& f0 e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 `8 D* U. l  M, I6 U1 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 X: ^5 P2 J4 F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ W; v3 q3 s# r4 q% O& ~' i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, U; a/ M  Y# j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 ~( u4 a+ x2 w# [% x2 {8 \$ jWhat a statement we have here?
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  g$ h% v: o* ~! o% [3 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 A) L/ A+ ~6 w# _% h" C

; o& p- ~3 D' s( E4 V# YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- a; R' E' a0 l! R- W: l. g3 y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ v+ N7 V' J$ cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 j3 E3 }( z. D: J7 Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- u( e" r6 u% P) v5 D# f# L; L

; B" q8 F) Q4 d' _* v6 w4 o( mit's starting because we have sins......% F8 T1 r: ]0 @' f& z2 S  x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% h: L3 I1 j! e! N0 ^our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; F0 K6 Z% k8 F6 m# h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  l" X" Q: z- I, F8 L4 g; c. U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 ~/ A1 P$ v1 @$ ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" Z- z/ v7 V$ Q+ m; X, p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% G; Z9 w. m1 R5 b/ a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 w0 R5 K) x7 O, o- O, n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 I) k" q. Q% s4 H& ^' W改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( L/ M" h7 ]8 I- M

  Q& c& t5 S6 B' ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. Z0 y9 o) T1 v1 M, e- D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* y1 C5 i: _2 D" y( c3 r
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以下是其他人的見解,5 F! M- I2 z" r) e# E: G3 |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) s! o: N  r. O% r2 l7 V: B+ u

$ P3 U3 q$ O% ~4 Z+ d" I2 i, G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 s$ ?$ N5 Y( S# i8 g7 y. {, m5 |

( t# I4 g% [' e8 J- {% g4 f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& B( I; q( X/ G, a3 d! t

8 t+ w4 y3 F$ s4 _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* j# i$ z2 C* h4 ]; Q& _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' \# w+ A+ J8 Z' ^1 k$ S  y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.