Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 p- ~( }5 e5 K* h7 O6 R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, {* j; S2 s: Z% @6 k; ~6 x6 L+ a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: {0 y0 q) A& v道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 h) [5 x/ l* @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) s4 B- q$ Z; QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* F# ~2 h& M5 e( U  vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, h1 ^$ o$ R3 k1 Z: @) dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: p5 S2 o; ^0 ?, G# C6 _) V- t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: w0 W7 C, c0 J( W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& u7 ^/ e/ n4 P2 v! i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ K: l3 u2 u' E  E7 w& {
真的!!這不是反話- B* S1 j8 g' P/ A$ t8 ?' u1 j
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 B5 I8 q8 l+ z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 Y3 t& g7 c9 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 c9 a- c$ D8 {( u& G. a4 o9 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. m3 O$ `& U  X% c

  O. Q* E  |5 M. w" WJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; [4 C( @: V8 ^) @' Q/ A

* q* ~8 y1 \9 HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! e6 k1 S7 @9 S+ }5 u) g
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# F1 t& i: q. R: v3 o2 Y7 q5 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": w! N& d: N3 Y4 h: ~0 I. q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* N* ~0 O; I! V& S$ A+ `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! @! m2 M) v$ g1 C. n9 _it's starting because we have sins......, T7 R9 H! @: p. ~5 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; c2 P" ?3 L. aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; b; f% `( B+ Z, o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" Q( M7 M0 o, |* K+ ^4 D! Y" s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 e  x0 V( i7 T9 F- A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# i9 o- a/ \( V* u0 _- T8 P* u- n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 B4 ]  b* L  ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 U5 h8 V7 T6 j. _% }* |2 d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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( i8 m  K, L; f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' _" R& C& a6 L* x6 _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 ~$ i7 I; M' @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# f! |  h7 V3 x) v" X6 N$ o# `

1 k; v" q9 {9 F  {3 ^- k+ [/ [7 i  I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 X* [- {' _3 r+ f6 p0 i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 u9 N+ b9 }8 r3 W0 r- \$ o  V以下是其他人的見解,
1 [8 D% `* Q; F- o# J  m' c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 a7 I, t" l% A! C7 g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# j# x8 E# q( M2 `. M' ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 x0 Y4 n+ Z0 _* D

: k+ t. y: }$ p% j6 c. f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# `& ]# c) R! Z  I

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 f* v* \& A" f+ M! C% }.............信耶穌... ...

, V$ R& s" R7 `; _' ^Regarding the resurrection....
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( {. L0 ?- I, V: x2 r/ M' z' B% SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% ^; n& i/ S6 W, }1 C! Z4 B
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.