Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& }% H0 t# z$ j1 _我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 a; H; y1 W4 x& ]4 l# a( J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- A  b3 l" X( d, R: c  G' e4 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 A6 ~8 E8 S) O7 t  L9 P- [1 o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 ^! z' ?* L" \

3 d6 t( ^) ~0 N& A& w8 Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 P' l! M0 r3 U6 s/ R, i

  w4 V$ C  U& g& Q: l* t; B0 v/ {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. R/ h, t' g" F0 ~1 c2 t我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ V) X; n9 i0 p真的!!這不是反話
: j) v! I  `  o' D因為我是情感比理性強的人
% n$ E! J# t2 ~  G3 {0 `所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' y$ ~/ @( T. K( ^; R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 H  J, y, O3 E6 l/ v6 @
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 H+ E8 ^7 a3 r$ `5 s5 L9 g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" }# y9 e) x' f- k  `$ f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 [% X: u9 v: W$ j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # j" X4 b, a: m- z

9 D8 C! b% K7 \* |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- Z3 c( H; S4 B& J% h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# \" y3 q* o- d# D3 z$ S! k- G, @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ E; {/ U. }9 a. j6 @) G/ ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* V% X, K( ?+ B3 Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, u2 d* [( n$ d; }; |it's starting because we have sins......) i2 j( o8 f4 [. j$ q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 \7 d# ^6 ^) d. ~0 v/ y2 ?3 mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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7 k! S2 \% E/ s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% _6 i% H8 r; N# j7 j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ {. c- q0 g( L- u. n) a& _: x; C( l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 P# q/ u3 |  a  O5 Z: y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( P' H  \9 {, U) Q0 f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 L7 R; D* g. L) G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 @6 M) u) P$ `) p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( H) J4 S3 u! j8 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& e* G8 N! P6 Z  A" F* B宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 \8 n. g2 p" R& w/ N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 [. @) x) U7 h; {& W3 ^" x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( f# b0 F) P+ n8 M+ |; i' Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 ^% `3 L$ V' D% F  b0 P
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 |7 H2 U% ?/ t, M' N) F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 Y2 i* R0 Z+ O7 TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.