Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 h3 y2 y+ p1 P  {0 q$ }* V: J5 |, e我係一個連自己都吳信的人: V  A) m) a& o5 v7 e+ I  L( a" q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* C; O1 }7 |; J, V2 Z! s) d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; h2 R  A3 Q  t1 X3 yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- I9 |9 o" A, X1 n% S7 K7 y1 a1 N
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 v/ m' t+ H2 N% z/ t  L: i7 {+ O7 l

7 M% B: f3 |: p% E5 M! }" xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ D& S  L: l! I; r* k8 D+ [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ h9 W) y6 W9 N1 T: M* u  N- R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ r) o; d8 F# v: P# k我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 c2 u% m3 n2 [真的!!這不是反話& Z/ x1 w( ?- q9 ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人% h0 f1 p5 X* s+ }4 E4 j/ Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 |4 y: ]$ ]' W0 [% Q- n% i3 H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" A1 ^: ?& V4 |, J" J9 X; c8 X! s  x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 m& Z6 R/ h5 U: Y5 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( K# ~' B% \. D; A3 X( I' h* }' }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& J( q8 Y& ]% JWhat a statement we have here?: |; ?3 o* S6 k1 `$ d, b- R

2 a2 B/ R- U5 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& M$ q, z+ A8 d7 H% \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& H4 \4 P8 q# V. U# L. _, V' U' L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" I3 X( G' s9 j"不信也沒損失"
( e; ?0 F0 @+ ?- h$ NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 a; v- p; K5 \+ Q4 p% w% s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 t# B$ U* j  ^% `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 [) f% n  n1 M( q9 o1 J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" ]0 g& B/ T( U  k/ R/ k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 {2 D! b0 [% [) }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# u1 ?) n5 \& g( q3 E3 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 J& y3 s5 ]/ y. o" t7 `, C, V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: y- F5 W! h: ^7 q: f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" Z+ c* s4 X1 p

1 J% J+ u- d. e9 h; G( _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: z# o0 t+ T( C: t3 Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: Y- Y( n* l) `  Q! v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; B* U. c" N% i2 [  A" R
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& ?" j# S. t9 m  J

/ ~6 {5 ?3 z' i8 ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 P' u3 f/ F0 \; M, j7 Z5 y" q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, ]8 w0 D, C% {7 v2 m2 n- J( c5 _  I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ j' ~0 E& Z3 b. S4 `以下是其他人的見解,
1 O  F; F8 `* h& P8 P& o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& D3 y+ `( G4 t* i/ A: }) r) ~
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 B( M+ G/ Y. Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% P+ k5 u; K' h' `( S1 \# g

: V* \/ T8 p) b2 \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 H  g# \0 C+ F& @& \% q

/ l4 L& b% D" H4 Q( ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- ]# m) U0 H. R

  Q# ^4 x0 r1 Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( D" o" N$ Z, C+ J0 u/ o) I
.............信耶穌... ...

: v& S1 q9 B- r. j" {Regarding the resurrection....1 Q, U: x- c1 v0 B: J7 |" b& P! G; y

5 P+ h: @, }, d2 i3 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* E! L& {% c. C  H, F) M& [5 c0 K

+ o: z' H# e( }; B' cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.