Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  A( [2 Z$ K; e; Y% ?8 v$ z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 s6 n3 x$ p% g4 j! g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 o: g) y5 A" C  X/ {) a

) e! l* c8 q' d/ B1 M- {9 t& r# xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; P& A7 L$ V5 g5 f7 q7 dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 l) @, s3 y# q) u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 K1 f* v: b1 l4 c5 Z% Y; \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 a* F' ?& L9 r6 @. f: N+ Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! I* r# O; u3 p/ @! H7 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: P# b/ \/ B! @5 I  A, `' O3 Z- C  B0 U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " Y  l* l7 [! _

. `( [) Z6 w! D9 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 X* D% k/ V1 W$ O% F! }0 b% q' [7 _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: A! S( d3 f: i7 `8 E: g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 v. F3 q9 Y$ h. i4 F"不信也沒損失". {6 h9 d  z! j- L. c/ V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 |" H% D9 m- ]+ j& w" cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 o5 _# A" ^& B1 E6 C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 o% g: u) l# L5 V4 Z( X9 ~1 p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": x0 M) x8 R& J  J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! [# k" |7 c- F! Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 p# V+ m8 j; r2 q# D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 R$ p4 {" F# F. f: w: q9 L3 w
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( S6 d$ b$ Q$ j  h6 w' G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% @1 N# B, Y* J2 s$ j
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  Z' E2 \* ?, i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  h3 F, G; B% _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,: C- H5 b! B$ s: z' @9 s# |/ r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, p* [; D9 o3 Z9 N

$ x* L7 g# _% Q4 {, n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; [5 u+ ]- R+ R4 Y

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; ~3 ^7 X0 g3 J
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" W0 X* L2 B4 p" p( D. R# z7 @: a- m& B
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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* q; B3 ]. o: WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.