Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" X( U( @# K8 H3 y+ g: T; j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到& E; }/ f4 W( F, o+ j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* z; E8 S0 ?! P- ?1 J" j$ yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ A8 K; h8 `( J6 `0 }

, A: _7 \$ X; A  pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 W2 T4 j, K9 ?& N5 l. @  c; E3 o: ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話4 K  T1 n( ?: [8 M9 g
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ b/ U! W, g& A. J* H! _所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 Z" S  s4 i; e. V* J& [8 J+ E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% N2 E$ C' Z8 m! _4 S6 N2 v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& R( @% ~2 h7 @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) F, F! e7 H* s) c# c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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" j9 v# D- l4 A3 {- B- \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 d2 A; C) M: l1 r( @

, M- H0 p7 z$ BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., A! D- p6 d6 k7 D/ @

2 v  v$ a( C" r1 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 s6 J6 E2 p2 t" F, {4 S  ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& i8 ]1 H( l8 F& |0 N% c, ?  qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; n" ^( y$ v7 V+ Q2 F: Z. f( T5 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% |9 o0 I) A- v+ [8 Q, Z

9 U  ~4 z" H  w* A( bit's starting because we have sins......
3 G3 b1 H; H$ ]9 }5 n8 J# A% w* ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* o& T3 X7 U6 y; r  c! uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! v" g, h9 B3 o" i. Z% x4 G* k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' w8 t& y/ V( Q  Z* V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 p0 P+ Q3 _$ z9 y& c9 P! n+ V6 @* ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; z8 v4 }" t; o. x. s6 t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# h: R5 H1 Y: Q! I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* p9 }8 r4 k2 b% X' _& y6 N6 f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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  U0 ?" ]( e& [: E* D+ b3 j9 O: w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' P/ T2 t2 E) l# e; x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 B* d5 e8 Y8 G6 r; F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) r) G- `4 Q2 H0 t! U9 h3 }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) ^( F- `" a% D9 x) G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ @- r, v& l- |; }

& p% B, W6 q+ S9 b* q9 h3 D# N以下是其他人的見解,9 B7 r. G) N" b0 ]& n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( u/ D2 n* J; e! G& z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm1 `/ H; }3 d; u5 C
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: e. K4 ]4 I1 P

2 a$ V# z6 o7 h7 K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, W$ z3 G6 ?1 T9 s2 t! r, p- v

1 p2 \0 a, A$ p/ d. o9 X- H3 \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: Z) l2 Z+ y' P& m( Y: v9 ~& b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( v# k# m$ K5 c; I

3 O" p2 p! @/ F. @$ }- v6 BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.