Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 v, l3 {( \9 [& C! ?/ c( ^7 }7 ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到( v! z1 h( a! s  c; U- D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 p3 @" K! W* X1 F
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! t9 _9 Y. T0 X' X6 ~5 g9 E6 C
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; D0 c3 D* @' l3 U# H. s0 ^2 ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 J* Z' @1 `0 W4 R2 A我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 G: c! M, b4 Q8 W真的!!這不是反話
* y; M- f9 Q3 _% t$ _& {因為我是情感比理性強的人; `% `  v7 s, o- z( z) f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ @; c- ^1 t# ?' w+ |1 T' I& F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  Y& b2 L4 r/ T9 l* A; a5 P3 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" @9 k, V/ o9 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* K. G7 Y  d3 B. n9 lWhat a statement we have here?
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+ C: b% R0 o( q' OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; D/ Z1 U" w7 ~: [5 |6 }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ E4 K/ {: ~7 v# x$ L" z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% q, u( r' X9 R6 Z4 ~+ A3 SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& ?9 L/ W9 ?) e& ^2 ]but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 B+ A& F1 U" P3 S: n6 b

+ o+ b! O, F: ]5 d9 \it's starting because we have sins......& e& X" I7 m$ q# }1 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 t) e1 M3 G7 p1 z# q1 q1 \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 z; E3 a2 q2 T+ ~! Y  _) G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ O  L" G) |+ F; ~- Z7 L) @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* ?  z1 n) F3 x! X$ V9 p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 b8 o3 e; k( U8 z  B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ ]" K, b( V; A% C% S: B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ ]( a& g- b# W% F+ G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 l) o5 D+ O0 D

+ f! w6 e7 ^- U6 X3 [- g0 w* [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# }  C- p: n% M: q6 T' h7 N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# s9 P) }( n# r# K/ M/ c8 O1 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( ]( X2 I) P, k, S: I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  N3 x; R2 _  E' J- t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ r6 u) M: p: K; N$ k6 t+ I9 I

& |! ?  ~" {/ c) k; j6 \以下是其他人的見解,. _; y0 j$ v" T: b- v5 `3 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 r% r# ~6 C' F; d6 P% X) N

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 v0 x9 B0 K1 a/ K8 ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( A7 r; h! K% }% q5 L
.............信耶穌... ...

3 k. Y6 Y/ T  V/ O: w) F# t$ @) WRegarding the resurrection....
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  Z) w! ]) d6 o, M+ y: p! zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# E+ J+ H$ s. m/ s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.