Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 I- S, g9 e) T( {/ x6 t7 G我係一個連自己都吳信的人* l% L# a3 R. E' ~4 [6 V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; k" E- `; ?' T& A; J" H+ K) X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" K' D# \* {. a0 m2 z* @& e
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 {% i  u9 u4 J, }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! U1 l1 I( z9 ^/ w, R4 W) \! v) p/ J

  ]- M, H% V7 i% T; {9 |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 u# |6 e. h2 S, e8 X& h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... k% z9 O7 z+ G* L: ~0 o0 f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. m( N: Q% D6 b; ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ Z+ Z. I, Z3 l; j5 H0 U
真的!!這不是反話& B- F9 w8 B! @+ N
因為我是情感比理性強的人' X6 m+ d9 z- @8 k; I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 Q" L: `# |+ T- S( C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  P2 v( t3 ?1 ?7 P' Q5 H0 [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 q/ T. L& [% n) E2 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) z  k& `+ [# |What a statement we have here?5 _8 V% q9 _4 J* p& {

0 S6 g' @& p) m& o1 x. e) X  bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 \2 E$ h. e+ N# `

, _. b- r$ _' s; P6 q* n7 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: [( ]3 r& Z, M! ]7 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 K5 g& ]  z5 {4 `) N  I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ \+ f- R+ j$ ^# T"不信也沒損失"5 x# ]* o- ]2 a" K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 Y5 B# D( s6 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......$ t6 c7 u) P5 h: A; V+ G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 X7 H+ Z& _" v3 Y& J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% U; [8 H  W5 o5 x# H) w* G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 D& f6 E7 K3 n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 W+ Q+ s7 m: w8 o, n3 j3 s! m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 H* |* A/ q7 I& \

  k$ ]/ D* P( [$ M$ P1 o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ T7 [8 P- Y: M5 ?2 u, e: R" R. H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( N( d5 l* w5 y, S. w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* W$ w& o. T" A3 O& F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," h$ m2 Z: ?% b9 w+ S5 m6 y. [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: g& x* G3 z0 Q& ]4 d4 Q5 q
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以下是其他人的見解,; ]& C7 r9 c  g* I; M: r/ h* k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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3 ^4 i) N$ }- s3 X- Y, n' W& x[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ j' Q" ~+ ~+ [- `2 N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* \& a+ O; p1 E8 h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ M$ T0 \) F4 t: j
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 _  h2 y+ H2 t' D# K3 U3 j; F* h' C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" I  W, U& s* t7 q+ ]! k
.............信耶穌... ...

6 O) Y$ h1 H* Y& U+ |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 I6 A& r' I) n, M# \1 m9 H7 w
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.