Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 {; d$ T: p- ]% S5 ?: R* N道理我知道好多只係做吳到# }3 j' B4 x$ V$ x6 K3 O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% T8 v0 w# M6 w# Y" U9 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* P  G0 c- ]1 k0 ~
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 D2 Q1 c8 ]% G& [0 e# [* G/ Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' m5 v, _9 t: Q: m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 c/ O: Y: T1 m# P0 m% O  S真的!!這不是反話
# x; K3 Y- r7 o4 f2 O( e因為我是情感比理性強的人5 [9 C: I: Y' N/ n2 M* |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  i6 v9 j$ m) z2 X  W0 k8 q4 f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 U$ ?3 Y/ w. I6 s& k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  v" W: I! z5 |% l( C! w! ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 |8 t8 H* |8 F- X% }2 iWhat a statement we have here?
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9 ^! d" n. J' }6 A. LJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& \: `$ P; H/ r, JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 A0 B" {/ {( q8 u2 t& t

6 D! i, E6 h5 q* T- e5 |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: g( U" k( h- P2 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 Y8 A  @' j0 ]& k! i"不信也沒損失"4 q- }2 p+ O( o! E6 m6 t# O; p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 _: P. J( R/ S5 _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 E7 }. g1 J0 U- W% h. O

7 g1 v: {( x$ Zit's starting because we have sins......! s2 z& f' [( f3 L- T" c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 s: M2 y* U' R6 X8 ]% s; @: F0 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") l8 @+ Z8 w* c& K; A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ G7 Y# j$ z7 Q7 q7 M: I3 u* R; z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 ^# l! P2 Z: c: k4 s: k1 ]4 M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 L4 B$ i6 Y: e  _3 l4 I/ Y2 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* W! i# m, j' i' @5 u' ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, B: U0 ^3 w% C  B4 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ E$ Y% N7 n1 Q, R9 i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," v/ j# i8 R* Y' c% s
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 H7 D6 M, Q! R9 F, d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% O! }' @# g4 R2 \2 g+ w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 G" m: R+ P% `7 D* d0 i

' i& L" n7 Z' j) P1 B- l5 Z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# X$ u! l$ }4 x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 c( T$ R+ N' o$ _# U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ C, t$ x, C5 I, H. P

9 Z( V) [8 S! F( H7 F以下是其他人的見解,7 b0 j; S- X- n3 T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 z* J; t9 d! @8 e8 o: [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; e0 p! J/ w$ @) U) e+ S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 ^3 Y) w5 q2 `( l3 W: O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% b7 Y  }% K! Y& A.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ r* D% O  |, t/ X- zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.