Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, P5 b* [( U' O# i% q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ o) I& w: t& t: H( a# r% p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* s- X# \, V. Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 F3 _4 H4 e. W' G/ z- u& zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 T0 R& z; e: u8 m3 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( d$ P) l; k* ^3 U0 d! V3 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 H( p5 s/ H: X% L8 ]9 m9 e7 K; V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, @* P# V2 h2 ^( |# j- z! o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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( y( f* d+ w: G3 J# `) J) FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' o% i# Y. ?% F: e) H; x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. k# [' ^. P1 K/ M  O- s
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"' x) g) ?- p+ ]/ S0 X+ S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." M5 t! ]- \/ i3 Z8 f! t  n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' s9 q" Q, z/ G7 }# A- ]% q2 L0 x3 zit's starting because we have sins......; y, ?; v" [- e: v, a! B$ p! L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; w7 d- M( A1 E4 s. ?

8 Y8 Z! ~) Z8 f/ R( y1 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# c. t( i! s  V1 K5 q: t$ J' R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& _2 Q  K) [: @9 T9 L
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 F3 E! z5 I( \' g& K& p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! R2 [. x/ X4 z) A$ B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- T" F4 k: U+ i) ^# }6 y

/ ~0 h( E+ {  g& ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) c& D' C# r# w. o! H) D2 p

. `0 p3 L9 ]1 q$ V; q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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/ D. x' d9 q9 C% J6 \Regarding the resurrection....; I) P8 ^" D/ U1 H5 d3 I5 r
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 {& }, y0 d. ?; t; J' N( ?' g) eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.