Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; n5 l* r1 Y3 t! _' L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ @7 t9 u1 d- u' [) I) r7 ]# H# BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* s3 Y+ }( {% L" Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: j9 C3 b9 A; S1 Z( ]3 o) J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 t: m$ J& [9 F7 z+ J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 e9 d$ r6 |6 o7 R) N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, e4 c* K3 \+ ?. l% m! v: v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 J9 A6 q1 J" t0 O" m, n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' ^3 d2 ^% Z: t" Q

; U6 b- U8 Q6 _0 {8 }5 iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
  D" l' j+ r7 e# L5 Y+ IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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( U0 u. M" _2 n* T+ Dit's starting because we have sins......- Q& z# V) h( x3 B: w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' |8 i8 ]8 E4 p0 g3 N) d9 Q7 U" b& ]' _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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' ^2 B. ~5 ]  U1 F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' t0 q* k; x* \& c. e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  F! n5 ?5 Y2 o1 F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 t' N. [$ ?1 Z2 ]/ n# }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 X: U8 Q& {& x4 D* }& [& G

& u' q& x, P. a% j& `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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( h, x9 V2 Y9 z5 A: s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... p& `/ r2 j' r; u8 m9 Z0 j: |: S
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# W: }7 S. P- i+ D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,2 ]5 e3 c: ~6 v) n1 E+ @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: S$ r8 U' ^0 _7 X0 `  w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* p- x' t6 O* ^( Y+ z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 v( _; I* u( l" u
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) n" d" s2 W5 Y0 I- S.............信耶穌... ...

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- p2 H4 G2 p- ~3 Y5 J8 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., ?/ @+ j0 Z6 b; r5 p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.