Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# U  z3 |  D+ S* k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 P8 L3 G2 A8 H( [9 O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ R& b- A! f# V6 ~3 q+ b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( a2 f0 x6 e3 ?9 J呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! t* D) m: f3 ?$ b4 ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- @! }; r- }6 X, w6 E' K8 ^

/ n4 }9 ?0 v, [% x5 ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 S! _' L& T* d# e  f6 N' {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 s/ Z) e% K% l% d* rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 ?% \8 _0 Y0 H; A) P" b8 g2 |& k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# j" e1 m" f9 `, m1 M( ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 _# P/ n0 G9 V% I2 Z6 I6 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 E4 b- e* ~' L7 }+ ]/ eWhat a statement we have here?
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2 d: t0 O$ P1 d( ]/ g1 ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& M$ \, ^: J! C& G! ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# I9 C, x  V+ j* w6 `
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 Q2 M$ Y8 \$ S/ N% u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 j7 o% N" @- [/ F, LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 _, j% `0 j# H" qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  {: g& N$ }7 R; ?

/ |7 _6 w, U' V* M; O4 ?2 oit's starting because we have sins......! u0 Q0 z" F2 _. g6 s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , @0 c9 r0 o: o$ r# J: H  |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 W2 [  E( y) a7 Q2 S4 W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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- U; T0 |/ ~! H* b. ]' ^5 o3 T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 E9 n6 I  |. t& ]6 R% Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* D" g" ~  \7 I9 ^7 M. m) P& |  t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 X. k4 t7 p) `6 P6 N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" x% ^4 g! K0 V' Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ E" _  W, A, q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! j1 ~8 U$ k: @  V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ s8 K. u3 C" W3 H1 ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 H  [5 d9 A) Y$ C7 ?- i. ]

! k7 I/ U9 G# G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ P/ x8 U" Y$ i: j2 Y4 u/ B7 i1 {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: X6 a; j" G+ ^/ n( Z+ t
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以下是其他人的見解,# Y: I( ~/ E" Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 n, @. u/ S$ y5 [$ @4 v0 U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 Z4 T9 N1 c: X& q& ?
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  U& F" @0 A6 b' {7 p1 k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! `3 E3 L. p$ L3 D& K
.............信耶穌... ...

7 B4 d, i# X& O. w; k" kRegarding the resurrection....7 p1 ^# G: {  g# ~, V8 k" l  Z

: D! F6 z/ \" A, e" O/ ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 v/ z, z/ u, H7 g. ?" d

1 Q% [' |& L1 i. ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.