Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ {  F0 W- ]) ~. j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ d2 r) o! J9 N3 H, p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! Y" E9 x. T$ N+ w% [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! Y! d3 \- _& }1 S% h2 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. `; l* H; E; o" {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; G; K& `4 L( Z7 P% U- V# f  Y

$ g4 `3 x6 j4 }# o3 b! Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' k$ b  k7 _1 T1 b- ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! a& Z! n, ]8 ^5 Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 {- k, D6 J; f7 J真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. ]. T: S9 T+ X  E; \4 `' y7 s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ R2 @" T" T1 `* ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 u. e5 e3 p& }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: P/ S% L& A) nWhat a statement we have here?) o2 e. X1 i/ g: Z& k; K& B6 d0 |8 C

) j7 Y- m* l0 b9 `5 v3 GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# _- x' t& g8 {$ h5 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 [6 V) J) c4 q5 \) q/ u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ F. h0 _. ]; P. e" ]5 q5 l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 v5 r3 x8 I9 h2 j; S5 \5 s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 t) A- [- c3 n% `: ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", g% B+ G. x. ?/ p* I7 e$ I4 B7 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 W) U8 @. n" ]$ a( T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 p( E1 j. N) v8 s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 P3 h, i* e2 }7 w. _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 Q2 K( j6 n4 g, w) h- L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% \$ T8 D" i6 J' L6 J
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ W: y3 r% r$ V0 ^7 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& Q9 @% `: d  q! ?: ^/ u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- L, }, [3 F& X+ ^; Z7 @9 b  n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 m3 i% f% }5 F+ X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ H# s$ K9 Q6 [6 X以下是其他人的見解,
: J1 D  a- a5 }6 K4 j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 z3 `+ T. y" t# E( D+ J* Z! Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ @1 `  M9 ~5 p! t  f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& t( f- ^+ D1 A( ?% t8 B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ Q, k# w  J0 e3 B# ~

  U: k1 Y9 z* \8 a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) @3 q* _3 O2 ^' f( k' {.............信耶穌... ...

# U  T5 h! L: R( k  a) E! JRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 r$ o& k& C6 T. G. m7 r8 g

" D: _4 e" I4 x5 WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.