Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  F0 p  c. x( m0 E2 u9 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 ~) W+ B. z! u3 V4 @% u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; M9 j6 X, X: X8 c

5 f! S6 E$ }: H* v* a4 jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ e5 e, k5 R* L3 O0 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ b) H, ~$ D. E* j  m  D  V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ @' q0 l% Z. i9 |0 L6 K因為我是情感比理性強的人
# V3 l9 [9 L! p2 A$ T2 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# V+ y# k! ]- ]! m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! z) [0 T! K7 M' b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. k( e5 ^9 j! i+ vWhat a statement we have here?
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9 Q; {2 A+ p' z- b6 |7 xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 J. [3 b3 [/ ~I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ i8 ?7 [& ~1 K3 E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 \0 n: I8 Y9 [9 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 X6 R& U2 C. u! p  g" s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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  e5 q& |7 N0 [& F  S9 \it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 A3 d9 {: u6 _) _# H! Q( c1 [- }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 e: f) y; Z# A1 L  x" G5 L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& \# D, s, Z% X0 v$ d% |2 p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% i' x5 u! h1 t% F8 M7 h, `1 B- J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. e4 X8 [& R: ?" ~3 H, |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 y8 p( ]6 w. A+ U$ v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 a0 L6 v5 v* a- `# D/ z+ n: @+ a3 ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 R% w+ J/ T( ~' A$ U' u

! E' G0 y- _5 m( C, X5 y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) Q: P3 d! J) ~2 F  W( g. ?6 E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- N8 `9 v" W1 [( ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- U( g2 v' b: d
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 l% [5 F8 s4 s9 O( s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  @; \/ ?; q( X5 M% T5 O0 j
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# @$ S  ?. w8 f  \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* @7 D) t. ^+ l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( E3 x3 p( N$ J/ L  `.............信耶穌... ...

5 j4 {, H* \9 B- A( ^Regarding the resurrection....
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- v: e) j! A/ K4 |; b# o( O5 n& aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' c2 }" B. _/ ]& a1 F7 z

# Y1 D. B* L; j$ tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.