Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 ~- R8 z( @: J; N. w4 R5 N- M' n3 v我係一個連自己都吳信的人- o7 K) J# z3 ~* F, |; H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 A0 h) h& _, w* y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 X5 b' I+ o2 I, P& d我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ I8 e( ]6 z4 p3 ]  t3 o# Y真的!!這不是反話
9 B5 h; f% i8 g* W因為我是情感比理性強的人! p9 w$ L4 o. r+ Q0 K% a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& g; ]: z# A; E3 [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ Q. P$ R  |: G- T9 G: U2 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 c+ y, ?$ [0 b0 O- V: j; H) _1 D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% b" N1 |% z) \  m$ c* E

+ S' h! Q+ B8 h* UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 M" t  _8 ?1 N% P5 r$ m0 V

+ M! v1 e  G8 n4 XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." ?" o- ^: O0 F- Z# r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  ?- |3 W- ~6 v9 S5 ?& W( P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* I0 {; V+ u' Y/ U7 ^, i, b0 m. C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  K1 H8 H+ z! M% Y+ g# ?7 e"不信也沒損失", E$ g/ a5 g. \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% ~* ?7 @4 s" S+ x1 kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; J; S. B2 u& G" u. F8 H( J& g

9 r4 L" y2 g. H: I3 [: p4 Tit's starting because we have sins......' M( p2 V& y1 ?1 @. [: P3 x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 Z7 `, I' Q! k2 |/ [$ ?. W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ _" ?' ?8 n; f) ~/ r  ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 \# T( f1 \4 v' \. M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ e7 F2 s' F1 [! R7 O, s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; e+ j% j6 v4 |3 \: r1 Q

1 F% s7 ]! t" e; \- A* G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 n7 T4 C% a- T- a0 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% [0 f( i. h/ x' y) s% N

. }( R3 I& @! B' l6 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* B6 K1 @2 u, K# v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 z6 S9 e7 S2 r+ W% {* y( N) J; s6 H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( j, o" {+ M2 ^; C; _1 P
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 d; M3 z4 }# f! H( C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: K( i- ]5 ]$ E, j5 ?+ |$ U0 Y- V
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ x# [5 _! C4 ~, |3 U1 @* }0 h& B

+ i. l# E& I0 W1 f; L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, Y, n! W0 D  j0 {
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 j# z( D/ p8 t8 ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- t2 e& \# V* X/ Q  u$ R  X
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& i1 I+ o! H0 l* ~) A" n
.............信耶穌... ...

8 Y) e% D. k6 P/ }Regarding the resurrection....- H, I3 a- F! Z( O& k( Z& F, T3 x
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.