Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% u$ n! y+ `+ x( x  O# B( `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 u6 U6 o6 B! p又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ V: M, s$ J) Y8 k0 f% S! Y; t道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 v$ \5 F8 s/ S  v% g4 |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( b1 E- F' n9 K( E8 E7 iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ K/ H, Q  ?( y3 j% }
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! C: e. Y3 @. }; I8 }3 r' L. @

' b, x5 {2 V2 m6 E# g6 |2 u6 z) xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' C( D( x+ D0 R9 h4 W" O, Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" n' M2 f6 K2 Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 B" B5 f" A+ p+ }5 ^# \6 B9 v
真的!!這不是反話
/ V% f+ F& Q3 ~4 A7 O0 a因為我是情感比理性強的人
; X: B0 ~7 v- M6 L所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 }, V1 K7 v0 O6 T* R& p0 Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: \9 G1 M( N& E- v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- ^6 }0 V; V- I, ?5 ~& J, m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: A" _* u8 D8 AWhat a statement we have here?' m, u  M; ~5 R/ p) d

6 B9 a4 H8 a0 C3 CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& v+ J8 a$ I/ s, m9 f3 p$ X

2 C" e1 j6 S* a) B: sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 b6 W, f0 \; d% H$ E+ N# k4 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& h0 x9 l# B% s"不信也沒損失"3 x+ n9 M. ^: s) W: i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ `8 E6 n4 w, n/ L  F  @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 _) U6 ~, C8 T! g/ b6 |it's starting because we have sins......  B6 ~8 k5 I: i" I. ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 n$ A& ?0 h/ w/ h8 Q$ pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; c/ g" y0 a. k: U+ q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# W% ^! Q3 T5 H+ V5 X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 n9 d  a; N* ]* J0 c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 x- t% u, O+ h+ w- D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& _6 ]' a4 l, H9 v& P6 P/ ?3 z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: l- u/ p; i$ R% Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 l0 k8 Z3 B# N0 u+ t5 a/ N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% d; ?0 f0 o' C& G* ~8 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* @2 i& M8 i& Q: j. n. t, n$ F# ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, u. m0 E3 ?1 L6 s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 w4 t. }) w3 R/ E6 n" c

$ i  Q2 T9 E! [# y3 c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* K! S  q/ l3 f7 O( {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 L/ i" B- d9 J. F* G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) b/ A" x) N0 H) e0 I3 f7 R

0 q, c. s! K4 X2 X1 q" E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 C& S! s+ B7 a# i. z: j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# I% h3 t4 ^* R) g3 ~" l; r' G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 h$ L( V  x, e.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 L. w1 }' ?, l8 I1 Z, U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.