Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ [7 |9 d7 I: r, `我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 h3 A: V( }) F" F! J: B& x+ F6 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' r! t  U6 \! P6 z6 p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  R' q7 D7 x0 Z8 ]2 X3 o1 a6 u呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" W1 \  Y0 ?7 G  @  I% M( I: M/ I

3 b* a9 P1 [! h7 _9 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 b! e: W; o* m7 T9 x

4 `! h" u/ C) A3 \) i$ b8 [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# d5 S/ H+ P' C1 W1 C/ [! T* ^
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& o- ~) J8 K( ?7 p& k7 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話$ E. z) f# ^% U# w
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' ]' _: E6 \' {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) }% x7 f; {7 o/ k' B+ a: x8 |% C% T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 e4 Z6 n# G5 z* \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 s* H7 h2 y" a& N: s  KWhat a statement we have here?9 s8 r: W. [" H- D$ d- z% M

2 y2 j% n% c$ w: p. w# [* Y! f! QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 H. L( r/ v; l0 k5 T  ~* p

4 C% }/ @) B) @3 |2 v) g) _6 C, JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ _2 P5 }' L, x4 \; ~! X$ N3 J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  J' a) g( B" I2 }/ o, n  B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 H! a3 D# I1 V4 B! e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ H. _; I! I1 e! G6 F( Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......( n# v, Y  l) d5 m  a0 Z4 t) L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 j6 F& o& N( G" E+ k/ Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! Y  U! ?) A0 s: \6 d# |6 P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 W; v1 g# Z* Z7 `+ c: L5 {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; a8 I8 x- s$ ]% s8 Q% U% V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. }1 R6 I- c+ |0 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( e. X4 u( b4 v! f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 D* C( X$ C5 e3 ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; D0 ^; O* v% }+ t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 g- }1 @' w# f$ s1 v

. o) V) G: i. k) V$ G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! X: B0 \) E& W1 r7 S/ V! e+ e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 W  ^. V: t/ X: X& d5 H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; m( k3 P4 x, h$ W: r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ Z, ^6 O9 h$ R, g7 M3 o# i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ Z7 K* F# Z5 k+ _% o: a* |

# y. r/ C0 ?" x) U# @! k以下是其他人的見解,% z" e) W- J( r* J/ g$ J4 ]0 ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& ^& q: W# l8 Y/ U! [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! a* \  \5 `3 I9 y$ ]

9 ?( k3 ?5 w& [& x  w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! `  F1 B8 `/ h0 F" F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 X$ c: [8 _' u- G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 t, |5 L* R! Q4 h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.