Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 U- t" o8 p* k我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 F, [& o' I4 [8 r/ ]  Z" N3 o% O# L1 W又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. |  U$ P# ]/ X2 w: L  k道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 [# R' U# w' D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' A5 b: \0 _" Q9 u# r

9 T$ o  n$ |2 V5 ^, ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# j$ n$ |, B" Q0 d- W: q7 Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% j* w1 I  j% U  U

; c* k9 E! v/ ]% U" r* pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" l; B3 C( Q- C9 s3 Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ y  q" t/ K! y1 s& f) L我只不過微小的基督徒...................( h  O* Z% Y* i! k4 V
真的!!這不是反話0 H9 n9 t% o& }: R2 C) A4 x
因為我是情感比理性強的人/ E6 z$ H: T- `. P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# U4 {, M- t; K& Y: P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 ~4 V, N1 u6 W; c1 c8 [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: F( m/ ?% S. h, W2 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 f$ ~" P* Y1 Z2 d9 Z

9 E7 T2 @0 ~+ |/ I+ h7 O& _. ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 {! q& u" N6 G, h6 g6 V+ C
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 O5 N' X( |) ^: B3 o. Y; I
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"8 r. q6 {0 @1 V1 Y# @  `& h7 u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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, ^1 A. u: W4 ]  M9 U, \it's starting because we have sins......
1 |7 F1 X, K1 R1 J1 S6 E: a8 t  ]8 Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) T: d/ o- G! B" o! I# {* T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". t% B) R  M) @6 s4 D( U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: S; H; c4 }, m3 ^: F1 x+ @  |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 X3 E/ _9 w# w7 s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# M4 k7 o' `6 V; F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," r9 K& ^- h7 \; ]- o1 j( x; y) H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% b9 @* C' i# |( G& K$ p& Q0 X- W  V% v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. L/ J! C7 U' A% I0 ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) j. c$ u* P$ {! v

1 C. p+ V& X, u; W& i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ V0 D- n& y7 |! E: z, c* X0 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 j0 j0 S9 Z9 |9 s+ [8 K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 H* Y5 a$ x3 R% x$ T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) f# m! P5 `" s; L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 Q% N  Y: A5 n% e. u7 |
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 `4 n4 l' q  g. z% p- f
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 p$ K2 W+ c0 r; x- [+ B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% Y# z/ H6 I( V% ~" B$ H% v

7 @& i5 g# [$ {( N  R1 j6 k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- A! ]( h1 Y6 n' G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% @; }4 {4 t. X9 Q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% ]8 F1 `9 r0 E5 e5 i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 U. c& m2 G# g! G5 _2 I* s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.