Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 J# E" e! z( I4 Y/ T& C* X2 V: y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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; R/ O2 Q( m. G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 [9 I+ e5 `7 O: t/ ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( E/ t+ V5 z% }, s

/ H3 ~9 o: x) E1 h: h0 I( r6 hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& s7 \+ d1 O) F+ t0 P6 v# }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* c8 T' I+ K+ N) f% a) C9 g; `$ tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# H; k* X6 d) L4 ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ q% x5 K* T! Q2 \9 D, v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 V9 w. Q. K$ f& t6 A, u; |
真的!!這不是反話& z6 W9 f9 ^! r5 h8 v% L/ O
因為我是情感比理性強的人
* ^* m" V% N1 `- D" _1 Z1 D/ R所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 K3 V) e; ^" J. s( t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ E8 a% T- b: h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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/ ~8 n, ^; h! ]. z  jWhat a statement we have here?
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! E0 I! S% k# OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ ~  D1 T- I$ w4 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! o1 M1 l" T$ c$ JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- T% A$ ~  K5 ]+ h/ Z: p. n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 p$ t5 N: \3 P1 _1 D  E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) E1 V3 J# {* j8 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ E5 r6 i* ?! _

5 z0 O* a& |% H* o( Y9 Kit's starting because we have sins......
# W0 }# Z  J8 b3 a0 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( o/ ~' k, O% Y; g6 P+ _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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; V% f8 b: B  G  h  J, v# V  K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ [' O6 @& l& ?7 ]0 J* i/ Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) j0 z& v, e0 p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 @1 r" o! [+ b9 c7 [1 z5 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 A: I' X" p. a. q& T) [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 h8 Y. Z; h  {! M( _! H$ v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! w8 b0 D# e$ X+ k5 h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( H/ ]0 t( y) D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( ~( _7 N$ h! L. h% B
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" l8 {; _9 E% E2 l. V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. C" Z6 d5 H. B$ ]1 F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 w+ t, q+ M/ d1 b" ?6 ]; V
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" A7 K5 V9 r9 K+ a% f

5 `2 c$ w) }- W) A, Y* f& E* P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# r% g1 I) k3 B9 B, a8 o) z/ j

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' k7 L! \9 l5 Y) m4 s" H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- N6 w% g$ j+ s) F. F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 u/ q8 D0 Y- L6 Q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.