Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& i1 _3 t( c& c( ^! q0 J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 a  y* T. |" Q& G: Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 S6 U9 `6 V: D( e道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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: y5 S6 U* [+ B4 S3 F; I! J# SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ P& S/ C4 z% r! ^  X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) ], T+ ~4 B7 n, M1 |

! t9 q( O( Z$ T: lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% d* Y  U& H& y4 I  A$ i- a2 R1 a6 L# X: c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 r/ R3 m7 \4 G" N/ n8 V+ n& I! h7 E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ d: R3 I+ T9 x0 K* B! J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; ~# o: G* T  |5 M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 g9 }" |+ Z/ W- |" n  Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 k* _1 k* D8 l  V% t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& Z. d1 ?0 _7 v" E6 B

7 d) ~' O5 O! I! ^! |9 `0 LJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& k, D; y* M" xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; j: v  O+ A) _$ k) U( x- F1 H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ E& M: A7 i. y! p- L0 j& w# ~! J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ [  _. ]: R3 Y0 @+ `$ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 T/ s/ {  Y2 o) |. ?( ^, e"不信也沒損失"
2 H" D/ a: k/ |8 q2 @% s+ aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. k& h/ v5 |% c# [9 w  w' Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 i* i5 ?9 T4 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / Q' p9 B" v* Y* U/ L+ F5 l, y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 T. n# A, |9 X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 z) H. P+ @0 a/ M* [' _7 ^  f
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 M0 V  f* A' Z2 Q- ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 F7 [3 g" ?9 j& }5 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# |) [- s6 S5 i8 x# v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 w, {0 k5 n( |
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 b) C! f/ i9 f2 h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% h$ a. r) C8 G2 G6 w) A# E1 U6 C6 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 R& e/ B) Z& E% m. ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 z; t' f3 J3 m" z6 v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) i8 n! Q3 I. G& h' G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" g* k8 I) \; T' a
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以下是其他人的見解,
& I. a% H4 q4 }4 ?1 `; C3 F% ]看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
( ?% `* @7 ]/ t2 M% N/ Khttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; A2 Z7 o* M: M* G- ~! \' n
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 O  h: G) U0 ~2 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  j' D0 j/ E# Z$ [$ K# G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. j+ h& j# k8 G! z, w: V& w$ Q.............信耶穌... ...

) G* L' S5 H" GRegarding the resurrection....4 g) K! X8 i4 {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 K, m' r& |+ |6 S% W2 P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.