Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ G- |( j( n" m/ u' L" ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ T5 @" m/ q/ G7 S7 U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 s; j: j8 f5 g9 p* Y$ k道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 x# g8 y2 ?& W% _2 K& ]2 F# \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 k  Q+ L" U- a. h: B

) {& R. C- x% wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ u: j  B! D* q$ F$ jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# J% _- i0 }4 a- l我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ F9 D+ x/ w6 \8 ^
真的!!這不是反話# F9 t+ z1 N+ `: s1 \2 X8 ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 ^) O1 E, g8 w- s  A* B$ p1 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 e( E0 X1 S& A8 H# l! _5 ]  K$ h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# X/ Q3 T- s0 b4 F8 B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 P! ]5 U& M& y5 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , e) G" W) o' U! Q- I! m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 m/ o, B; p' X/ U7 nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 D- [" |, S$ Q. O4 @2 d, R0 }# u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 ~( k4 p' l1 q. f2 I3 JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ S, M- x4 Q' {7 I; o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." \! J5 O0 t; g/ E0 K0 ]
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it's starting because we have sins......
% i2 F( v5 Y5 b3 }" P2 isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ K* b8 w9 y+ t& g( l+ Y: Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ t3 p+ c1 ?/ c. c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 m+ V% s2 J, N" I( x3 E9 k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 T/ u7 S, c! `) l" q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 P! c) n  [; v% l( e2 S0 Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ J; i' q% {: ]" n1 A+ H6 q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 k3 ^9 E' E$ W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 _/ ~# P7 u  V$ T* E8 f0 c; r9 ?+ }

, O& ~  \; @# A0 b2 `' i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ |! m- ~+ U3 S  e0 v2 D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 @3 F. m8 y+ p1 s( {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 G7 g5 e$ W4 K) a! t以下是其他人的見解,) q, o* d$ N  R5 z/ ]  s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; i/ b2 s& S5 t" z1 _# |( h
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. {% [' J1 v" c! E; ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 o$ a6 c, ]. L, q0 I# A  z3 r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, Y( U9 n0 R+ Q' S: u9 V; n2 R2 V& j9 T
.............信耶穌... ...

; ?3 a! F: w! x/ L- nRegarding the resurrection....9 E0 x7 W% ?' s1 Y1 c3 a$ b

) W  O0 t! _3 T- CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 M  M8 I+ b2 d  u2 \2 P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.