Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 W6 d$ r/ Q' A9 s7 |+ j. n* K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% V6 k7 P  g! S# @8 K- F8 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 H' V5 J* w5 j5 t2 I& p道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 U. \* v) S% t  x1 v" Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 ?: X1 M; O+ X$ l& t% y  @$ bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 Z9 P& }( J  H# `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 |; K" g+ Z7 S% {& I+ Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 x# I5 m0 n* M3 ]: g" y. l1 L我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 v2 f$ q6 q/ Z& @4 v% x" x) U
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' k: [6 q6 |. F( Q. K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: `4 B9 H% Y* y4 Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., x- p' {- k. G# J" e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! |3 B, E8 B, ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' V- v: F# m* n) Q: o  f* r2 _  cWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & {& S! [' F8 ^% c( a

/ T' T) j1 `* t1 c% L1 y$ u! ^6 T# ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( F% J2 y# o7 n6 U% D0 o0 M& i

$ v' o: f: ~" u2 ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 @3 v7 f* ?- B# v3 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 m/ Z0 P8 t0 Q9 g# U# p"不信也沒損失") l* J( j4 O4 a0 w/ ~  ~- R& C) B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! p1 U2 |' H7 s3 c$ W2 j. c9 e  tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: y9 Q$ W: j1 c; W0 ?: msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / R' B4 R1 j: d* E# I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  f- \  C2 H' N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 t( w) o5 X6 l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 `6 H$ K* R, Q, a5 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 W- x$ H  [' ?& Q% J( X2 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* k* t) R. _% c3 n/ I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* H& y/ y# y, A' P+ \, n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) d! S' F, P# c) F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 H. S9 ^7 l2 }& A: P2 t  g& g+ ?8 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- v4 L4 X- w) i, o8 n0 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 U5 I' M2 o; T% ]4 ^+ i, H6 b
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以下是其他人的見解,% |# j4 M1 k8 y  f3 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 U" a' o9 W3 U
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  s4 |8 R0 A& U$ g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' L1 X$ {" c+ Q" e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 ~, q9 _$ _, H3 w2 e5 W
.............信耶穌... ...

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! R$ ?% ?& o3 e" NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ P7 d7 P3 T1 r0 C( J& d2 N6 U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.