Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 O3 ?: Q8 K, U; _2 u  p2 [. L我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ [) k( W/ |! W. V4 N( V, N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 V" y) J! z& A( O4 C2 b5 v道理我知道好多只係做吳到. C$ j7 W( q1 y8 N$ S, P% e1 t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 f6 w4 L% ^  M# {- INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( p$ Q( e+ d) l# q( H8 BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., u3 N$ ?' R# N8 R$ D* F; P4 B% I4 q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* G' X# v3 m* M) H$ d+ \& f( s9 Y( H
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ h" p, X  e4 ]) Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 b7 ?  ^* a# _$ T& H  I我只不過微小的基督徒...................* r% `1 |+ ^& a
真的!!這不是反話
# ~0 G6 o, q. T$ H' X) W4 B5 ?7 G+ ~因為我是情感比理性強的人# c- A# x& H+ \( m9 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) o0 t. z, D; }& Y. u2 h: j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 G. `  h) F( }! E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ ~5 p; _3 N9 A( t, R. J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! h. r) B' K' g0 A! `7 t( y  N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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8 {4 I4 N! b. s9 a! FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & k# Q! {) H; B; N& n  Z' O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 {9 j. z2 t: w

7 x+ r- j0 q% z, ]. I# q' HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 L9 p) r  b- ^9 G9 d* b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. ?& ]/ G2 v8 w9 Z3 PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( X6 X( r  d; ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# |' N6 S4 H% c  L4 p

; V6 ^" _/ N% n; q. _it's starting because we have sins....../ l+ D9 `8 L- [/ E( ~4 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # r6 I" B2 N( L; ~1 `9 x; ?* g2 [2 {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( V& T7 ~& @6 W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 K. g2 m7 C/ X0 h1 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 G9 A% D/ D/ r7 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# [) ]" G  L7 n; h4 @6 s( ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; N+ q3 z7 g1 {0 a3 p2 w1 y6 w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 @: C$ {' I$ x  ~  T" \
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# W( A0 H6 o+ T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  q5 M" e7 e. `/ o6 `3 G, [

9 j: M; c6 x! f* Y  w. j3 ^) S+ g& h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, u9 y( ?  Q8 Z5 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' I, J2 w; x4 \, I3 w" d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) r% A: p) {$ w8 B6 m6 @+ O# x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* O3 g6 n" G0 m; s6 f( |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 C$ D4 ~, i4 [5 g5 |% w2 L  ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ v1 u* U' F. p" A- e) F9 Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% Q: p' O: \  z- [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, v5 {, d8 M: ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 A4 k8 U2 R9 E- ^. c! b; R$ r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. y/ r  _, D- @1 j" N+ u
.............信耶穌... ...

! n. G* t7 S! t0 W3 h  rRegarding the resurrection....
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4 z+ c6 F% Z7 w$ f+ pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ I8 _3 l% w$ z9 t, U0 R6 `

6 \# Y% a6 b" }8 y" B9 oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.