Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. G4 k" N& Y- h' A7 y3 y: }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 Q9 Q% Q1 \2 Y- P/ B+ q6 x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- Q3 k3 M- B, W+ n道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 O5 }) o5 k( T; w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 h% E$ C* n* ]7 d4 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; f6 [4 ^, c( n% _9 |. a4 n
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& A- F+ p; D- E9 u) m& _" j% lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; B8 @9 w% B" j) R! P: }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- E6 N$ T0 c8 V* @6 i; G; Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; E8 B7 R) |/ k+ I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) n, ~( _( n% ^% Z3 I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' C) n* o" S0 ^% ]2 R2 E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 ~( ?, i: h- i8 ~$ f' u3 i# S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ c0 T  Q/ f3 r7 S# c/ l+ ^$ zWhat a statement we have here?. o+ Z: z1 n; b* q+ [

2 ^1 ^4 s8 \. w9 b/ ]& |3 fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 @6 n) ~: u9 E9 O  C

0 ]) C$ g6 }. D% R* f' CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ a8 u2 d; q2 @$ ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; k$ |& L* d7 ?2 P4 {7 y' Z9 Q! f
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- g  t" A: R) l% y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# B9 ?  p4 b% d$ |' eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 M( `) h; r* K2 I& K: ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 \$ e, C1 E7 D' E0 N
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it's starting because we have sins......, S7 s7 C$ _$ Q4 g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 x/ g" y* |; p& Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 V. M1 X. Q1 @1 G* L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) f4 E) v, e. V$ k/ {" D6 h6 j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! R& b+ R  U/ M* s9 y! K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* R8 Y" ?9 v6 R& f, T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ P! t2 s7 s9 |3 C& W7 @5 l5 e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 X- }( Z% H# B; J. x6 u

4 K' k' m, Y  z3 J* b1 s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ `; b5 t7 m, E  G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: g5 g! I$ v8 a$ X
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,2 ?" U9 N" k, }7 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
$ l/ e8 j- E6 U$ l7 [http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 _9 W9 u: X0 G0 ^% i
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ J0 u4 G4 f$ ]+ i  J8 W

4 z0 \  n( y. x; i  t+ k: o1 t3 {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( ?2 @8 T" D3 a1 V! P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 N: f' Z% W( X8 {.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.