Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 C3 s+ h, e* G, R$ o; x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 L, O2 r0 Z) _+ ^4 D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ {: Q$ C3 E. I' ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. n' ?; q6 H5 ]' J  jNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- @9 F' m7 o( T. s5 KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: N% p# f  ?  u7 G- g& }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: j- \7 h+ m6 [) Z- ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* ]. a1 ~+ l$ z& H- ?8 S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; y, S' I/ [4 J9 |9 M- K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  |8 w  K1 @8 x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* u  m3 C. S; W) {& |1 c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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; I& a: h5 Z' e7 C& tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 M: l5 @/ F0 K0 Q& {  M

3 a0 ]& o( |; f8 L& jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) i! j8 p0 y+ T

- ^, a* g* I- e: i8 T/ n3 T; xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: `/ F: ~: w6 A, Q6 Q8 W) f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  c; `% P% m& Q2 e0 O) q, b5 S* {+ DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 h( R; M3 _' m2 A% }6 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 Y/ Z% h# T8 A# |

6 A, q: }5 [3 p) d& Dit's starting because we have sins......
0 C& W! h) X0 G- M: vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 y1 V& ?" ^' O: W% l3 w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- n/ x  l3 C4 b" Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ q1 }: a) b3 o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. q2 @$ W4 s& [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 e  h# _/ G7 p1 g1 d9 W% r$ c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: T4 k7 V7 M0 }6 {# c+ j( W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 V* f8 I4 {: d5 T9 ?& Z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," O, Q; [5 f* q5 r3 s3 O* h6 N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  v7 f: k  H: c3 }+ c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* a, z' l) m  j0 v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 \& _+ b/ u4 t  ^7 H1 ~- F1 q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 k3 {* n! v2 E9 N5 M
.............信耶穌... ...

) K1 N1 I# r$ X+ e- YRegarding the resurrection...., o+ q4 ?% \7 u9 C% B( e1 `% g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.