Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. |  T$ D( Z' X! w+ }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, U' q1 g; I( [2 {  O6 |道理我知道好多只係做吳到# c* g4 ?1 x: U1 g$ W, l& V7 \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 ]: L0 W$ O8 V7 N; i$ R9 ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 h, g& x% A* y4 a0 k) u

; S0 \, M* v! y' X- x5 d( ^( ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... T8 c! H; u2 l6 S$ N( p( U2 s3 I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... M! t9 {8 s. e

! h" ]2 E1 }( S2 N6 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. M% I0 p) y6 {. tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# e6 @# u& |8 i7 q2 @8 W- D4 l! G
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., ]" g" L) T! p) R" P! I& S
真的!!這不是反話; Z* G! f$ h2 n# M
因為我是情感比理性強的人% b+ D3 \: U- A1 o! G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 O/ G1 W  I7 y: x$ z! b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) Q9 Y2 z) U* u1 {, h" S# j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
, {. d9 i9 o' q正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 W" ~7 }+ V. w6 p+ n; ^8 C. k" S7 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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8 t/ k8 w5 ^2 G# y! j2 \% i6 B# mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 B$ A8 i6 P! E9 m5 L: zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- n# Q0 t1 V# n% i$ F0 n0 u9 |

7 K7 m! f& K) ?& b5 W) a. ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( \5 @4 r4 {3 t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 R1 B. V  N" @+ z+ A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ o; u5 E/ k/ D7 B' {% zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ [4 y0 P; o  i( P( a  Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( L( u6 t; x/ n2 p7 j+ v

  E1 V9 T  d$ D1 q  @it's starting because we have sins......
/ b$ H6 M: ?- Y4 isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & b( k( {8 ^8 {4 @, k; {6 i
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* |2 k% K, S) o' Z/ @- R1 p; w9 L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( \2 U- o1 G) W# P% ~/ M3 ]% P( Q1 s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 N9 r, n" T6 D$ ~: Q9 }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, N% S# C+ [, u( J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' ~0 `% z' N9 w' a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: z$ d7 O& i% J2 I% X8 _3 p

* [5 [8 D0 ?" v) g, w# e6 P+ x4 q+ _8 @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ U* S0 k8 c& c0 F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- ?! e% W7 U2 g4 E* [
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ Z0 L( Q7 D7 |5 B$ [5 a6 e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ }- f# T( _% O- f# |# I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' f5 a  O# B: Y7 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' A0 E0 {0 r$ r
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以下是其他人的見解,; x/ G* U8 ~4 ?$ L0 R! W5 A% h
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 P, T& Z- x  v! k- r% z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, A: F  N: b& c: w5 a* m  S, D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) F! B9 m" m0 d6 t  X! d

& v. o+ N& R3 n" ~! W8 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' D+ b$ e9 x8 f2 @/ m' b/ f.............信耶穌... ...

# c8 ?1 n% g/ r$ E- a+ M" xRegarding the resurrection....- B( ?" p9 g5 j9 p& }! G  J4 t
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ Y: j7 C9 B/ [/ `

3 O' ~# y4 I8 |6 ~0 j, g1 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.