Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: |' m8 I! ^* _, W9 P- C. ^' [
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到: E. w7 y8 J/ y% O1 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! k8 @: r7 X" L% x2 j

4 D" A; k" S) i: ?2 O& }" bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ S: Q' z' _' `3 N( @& C" l; Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( g. @5 i6 ^+ a! I/ s0 O( ?$ U我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 p2 z# S! @' V因為我是情感比理性強的人" ]  N' q+ ^" B7 x; d
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 K/ W% r3 w6 W  S! Q/ V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 d- \. E* ~! U9 E" n7 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( e  ~* j$ G" K- w$ q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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: M# g4 ^: c  T  J6 J8 OWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 e, `3 m+ U) ?0 ^7 c' s/ y$ n

( L9 m1 L/ N) tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 h! G9 Q7 ?- ]+ q( e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; w& [- t; P! }* i1 W# ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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7 A. k% l1 W2 d, u  v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. b# Q/ w6 x! c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; N5 k% F' }& v& D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 ?2 A  Y8 j! X: U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; y* n. \5 \7 _: o

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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ r  P/ P- F  Y1 T# Z- {1 s8 r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 `1 W) O# q$ j2 A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 R4 [8 i( P% Y% A7 }0 t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- B& B5 g9 w! R: X
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 m( n. b, N. @4 T: v- T! `8 L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) {: ?; T, `% w% b! o+ c" }* H2 `& U' z- ?
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) ^" A+ h9 ^* y  n+ X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( b  W$ B7 [, e# p+ j; X" l; g

( k  D) d! l* I+ V' M& O$ B, z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 }: B+ ?2 K; j& y9 c# x  q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& \# {+ C- G  X2 K' R
.............信耶穌... ...

4 I- s! o% ?( J4 b/ l( k* B( pRegarding the resurrection....& Q$ K  D$ @% a# V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( k; g; _' d- `. Q5 oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.