Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 `9 v/ U* K- C" b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 S7 v  V* J3 Y" r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  |6 L( n# W# ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 {& U9 p2 W6 Q- D6 k/ f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* X2 s# y! [" x4 O( v# F
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; a0 N0 K5 e  Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ J0 I9 [) B. N& X& F; o' N

& t1 U( B  [0 \+ w$ W' estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 a; z# o2 F: d) j. T- @1 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" \* c, }" Y0 f6 D4 h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 \+ s$ N9 t6 x5 ?# I因為我是情感比理性強的人7 J6 [, @( z: ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 k3 r  C- @' |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' H& e0 q5 ]5 C9 C1 l/ \0 a$ Y, z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" X$ ^/ d1 K. b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, K/ p1 D/ a. j5 [3 d1 JWhat a statement we have here?
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. Z  [7 U: J0 ^# a$ ]  a0 x3 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 h9 d. U7 @% [

9 ]  X# ?2 L. _2 q1 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 k- v; X# j( C# v; ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 x% k9 W0 L0 e" S7 y: ?7 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ ~% Y. j- c: H( NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... v% n7 }8 C* V8 k3 N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
! }* q; i3 A* k9 P. vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. v. S' c, b$ `0 w! ?3 j) J3 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; _3 m! W, m0 p0 K$ J  L: m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 D" ~* H- r5 N+ R7 \; D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- a; T, b$ n# ~, `) |* i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# g% f$ _9 f5 _9 z+ }8 S9 K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 P" Q9 f! h9 ?9 t, v  A) C! v8 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 [' D) n: p( z, k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( B# N/ D6 z1 Q+ H8 k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# W5 v/ A8 V( A+ j' W3 S! h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! e$ v$ L( C* e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ ?2 N( R* V; c7 d; _以下是其他人的見解,
4 O( R6 u7 t/ s6 g  y3 e( c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# m# S1 r- Q6 W& I: [3 a! o

0 D, X; ?. J% T$ b! T) N: Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 ^( S$ F' n1 Z

( O& B; I5 [0 g% ]7 x3 t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; V9 `% g2 B9 X/ v& N1 T
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 Y' ^; Q% A- P
.............信耶穌... ...

4 ^' s3 J7 `' z+ b/ `! rRegarding the resurrection..... `! \. h  o0 [" }8 D

) E) @' B' I# J9 jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 K8 R" k1 Z/ ]+ I

2 R- t2 a, {& U1 h* FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.