Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# q$ ?- M& D; J# c1 Q4 R0 k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到' T9 j0 M5 o) K: l' ]& s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 W- M1 C+ h8 B/ g4 W# a! a9 x6 p; U2 pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 I0 K7 |9 c6 ~' Y& k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 L! I1 ^7 W5 T9 O) E$ x" s
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; X7 P: L7 k$ Y, L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 a8 g$ ]9 o6 u8 f* }+ z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 X6 c6 E0 y3 ^6 V' n' V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ X. v2 E% G) j6 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) ~8 P4 R3 Y2 z# s5 d1 A" Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  B- x& `) n+ I: B3 F7 X, a6 g4 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ q# k$ c- U- A0 m. v6 s; ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ g- q- ~) a6 |) U, D+ l" w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 A8 ?& c6 O  {  ?2 T" r) j"不信也沒損失"
  m( ~  Q/ |8 C' \( f& e% cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: I% p9 {' G0 _  K9 @& Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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# V6 S6 L: \6 N! Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 i5 C4 D6 Q7 `* a% O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 N' j- g+ G( \) I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 V( s1 C: S) B/ l: X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 P( J# ~) k# O: y4 D5 i
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& _0 m1 F3 A  x" P, Z2 Z( B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 H; E9 ^" |$ U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 |! L2 M* ?+ Q: \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! \0 M$ _, S1 K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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1 ?+ G8 ^3 v& B7 {$ n以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" M" N  a7 R0 N, S; Z3 X
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 f) I! Y8 l, p3 }, c" r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ^2 ], Q2 A, a7 e  s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection...., `9 }3 W: y7 ]

. o1 E! o. G1 d6 u. C4 c9 ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.