Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 |5 D. S0 [7 j) v我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 g! y4 x' T9 i/ P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( P9 `/ B, g6 `, D5 x7 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ K$ {( b. v" S% c# e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 Z* _* N$ e, H* y2 b+ b9 O

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' `5 _) Z0 I' b, p* h8 u. `* E4 Y  P9 }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 [; x; J. @* ^2 |5 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% x. M, p' G' U" n我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 |5 a  {1 i9 F# \. x' ]) k
真的!!這不是反話9 d6 J! f0 d3 l* K6 m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, O7 y! B$ r& [+ F# V& ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# b# R; f& L! I在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- R: p: i  U7 M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 b. |; V: X# m% E) Q0 m0 t1 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; o% Q1 A3 O) NWhat a statement we have here?# P" I8 ~6 B' [) U6 }( a2 H, b) B
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 Z8 z5 H! z+ ?; Q% `0 A' E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! ^0 }7 ^- m( J2 z* u' I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 }- a+ m5 z  m/ X, k

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 K4 I# C( h5 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' |5 G) @2 y/ v( \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' S6 B9 Q4 v6 o' M( n/ bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, K& E  ?4 ~8 u  l3 R( j! W7 i: iit's starting because we have sins......' j: g) k' I- J5 z0 f4 v. C9 X& b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 X) [- L/ k2 c3 j1 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. x- o( d  Q. _0 i2 f# I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 L  w$ H4 v: T7 N. t7 d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; M9 y' Z8 }. u7 W9 x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 ]4 F0 u7 [  [: ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; I& K4 W9 a& b- b* d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' g  e& A# G4 m* j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% n- O# g8 b* _  u: L8 W( z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* o. R8 X+ A: o

7 i/ i# R9 K, R9 M( d& L( K% k0 u" O3 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  H8 J. p9 E# d* k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" x/ v: ]. k  g' c4 M' B" c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- O+ j; r6 E0 b2 _8 R6 D9 g* X" F+ ]
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 B: I( Z2 F" [, G0 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& R3 l' a. P) w+ S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; t" T( t/ r0 S# y0 O! q
.............信耶穌... ...

! H# T  A1 I+ U7 v; w2 `Regarding the resurrection....$ V& U. V9 k* d+ m) A+ j

/ _3 K' P+ y; b, G# f9 w5 sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.