Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: _- e5 e1 v8 @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' o1 D) g2 y  P- t- ~/ x. I! n; aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% t# L7 k) `# M) D- w8 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ V1 T1 _; W. f0 q* J9 r5 Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* A# F+ J" e2 @. S; B) V) D; Z' J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" g  J9 q2 f/ D/ v% u$ E4 |7 \& ?, @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 |) x9 a* |, S, L8 L3 j. _( \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& h2 `  ^. p% _% o7 G. G4 g2 o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 v, ^6 f* e9 w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 b7 l, w/ a$ `( L! i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) |% d" _$ k! X" Y$ v& N: l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : d- W" n1 D# {0 Z$ O3 {

5 @, f6 s- X2 f. G6 v$ u- FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% _" F8 @/ }  s. h2 Q6 p  g5 k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# t# a5 L  ~+ [5 a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 @( t5 b3 E( D# b+ q  Q2 y3 `"不信也沒損失"
2 }( [; c  u. G; Q; W5 F' cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ e& ^7 c: L1 O, v9 B& }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: o& g1 \) M& }/ ?+ @& m* H9 L, ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* i+ e- v- H9 U! s+ J: C; d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( d) s6 q; \' L0 b6 ~$ R5 B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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# m, B3 E* j0 m5 W6 R% s: o! s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; U& U& h6 W. `5 f& Z! e! [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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% Z! l5 @0 t% {5 j+ m8 F+ j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 d7 Q) m/ \4 L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 i7 W( p/ a% h6 m6 e; O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% E1 S3 |2 B( P4 o

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1 ~& A% Q, A9 p: E, t! ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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! d& X2 |6 P5 [  k# Q以下是其他人的見解,; l: ^/ g7 A: [7 c6 `2 E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# b- |2 l: o9 Y8 [& O+ E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 E5 w3 a& Q: ]" m+ S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ V  U/ c" u. {; C, f7 l+ ~
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- f, i0 q) t' v; I/ M  e1 n" Y8 M

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! E" ~! @' X3 n) E3 i2 H8 R) L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 v. g6 v$ n1 s: T( hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.