Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 m  f% e/ e0 r1 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" {! X$ }" j6 ?# O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' r7 {' G- P4 z- |道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 G2 s5 P: H  P7 f) p呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 ]+ A, H" q6 v/ [' L* D6 I" m# pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: [7 B; @9 J( A5 j- h  M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  ?( v4 `: ]3 `" G( Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... _( C8 S/ J. d6 A) [$ w- d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ `* ~. H6 \! L# r5 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- R, P) i  W# u! h0 K( G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' Y% e6 V0 b. A" j5 x, U2 v/ w# K
真的!!這不是反話' o" r& M; `# g: m  \$ P
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ `- O1 M1 S; Q% S7 V6 M' H( ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( p4 p* k* ~6 Q0 d0 o  \+ N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., j4 X) ^$ O. ~$ y$ C1 m  m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 ~" [3 P$ }- }$ f, k  p9 y' l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 Z$ g9 _( c8 K9 _What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / w2 i3 Y, k& M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 x' R2 q& U" {- e/ D& G. ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ x9 J0 @+ S9 Y& q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 i6 d3 A" N: Y; s% C2 ^"不信也沒損失"
8 C( _8 Y! G4 g# C7 d/ y7 nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: W; v4 N1 N: X8 p/ lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 a$ Z  W8 T, ?$ ]

2 ~, i" p- h; n! U4 t' h' a5 x2 @it's starting because we have sins......) a0 G3 P" Z: ^7 S2 a/ G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( k* F% _. z, {' I0 {- {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 n2 P; {0 s% C9 z4 c' b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 M% b) K7 v$ X2 L用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! i' m1 d: B+ S8 k) E  W: i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% T% [0 f# W1 s  |0 K$ V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 t5 s* i/ h- ?; B2 R1 b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' M( A* }* h) {5 H1 G3 n  ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; S4 i( f) r3 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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* U9 M% R. z: E) O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., T# g  O; e2 L3 F& ~/ s

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 |; \$ [4 ~5 k* f' g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" L1 ~$ [4 U( ]; \' C6 y0 n; W
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以下是其他人的見解,% m, L* r" j% @/ O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; w6 A! o8 Q. N. {; h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 r; x6 N9 v4 [% q. [' }( K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  m4 [" j/ H2 ^

" X4 k# [7 O' Z3 a5 [, o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 s; E$ r- L) _) ~.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& ^: U0 Q2 a( A

; W- T3 `2 k% O& v% nActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& }' R2 R/ x: @0 ?# h

7 i+ x; i9 A2 ^/ a. K, r/ `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.