Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ X) V6 k# P9 P1 q- y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  }: e( I' t3 }) ?
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 [+ E% b5 r  ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 P3 X. D) R- t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# O: Y/ e0 A5 B/ r6 n( t/ h$ ?# dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." E' p+ o! e' k: q" t* @% z- u

7 Z$ D$ v6 W. w3 C' o* P1 Y2 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* c' c/ z  D% J+ ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! J* J' ?' a# V  ?) qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 U/ |- _6 f* ]* o+ ?) ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 q3 H0 t: @( ?& S* q+ i1 d$ @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- W  f( g6 e! i( a6 z/ l+ U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! @! p0 b8 r( Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- u- p2 g1 ~& \+ p' c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* U& z+ v+ \& r7 @- Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# B. N: s. B+ J- L/ X' u# a, u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " v8 p+ P' a& ?* U# {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ O4 {8 K1 e; V
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 x5 m7 M/ P3 Y3 b
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( o; K+ `$ g0 r3 r: {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* L( w  g/ m2 ?7 |5 f
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it's starting because we have sins......5 p6 ]/ y" J7 G3 ?) f, S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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8 d" a0 |# `$ }6 H9 ?, x3 z. P( y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 p+ d. u# o; s  `7 {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ d4 {& [4 I4 B  F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ C/ _! g1 I  p2 o3 a( Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 H) b  \+ I" {. {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ S/ V5 ^) m' v  u' G9 _! o: A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 {$ q, ]/ n, {
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. H. Y+ i, A/ A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! g% h  I" I/ [7 {3 s) j宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 \0 r4 L% a3 W+ f" H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 x2 @6 N) n! g0 U$ F$ r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 K) z' x4 g( d# A: x: D

( A1 l* B" h! ^  ]4 w以下是其他人的見解,! P* j. q' y5 a* J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, o$ Z* s; Y! g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 Z1 L' o- ~0 ~5 [5 ~- D5 @7 D

! t9 i$ s* i3 O; B- ]$ q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 Z# [, Q" d- g3 W7 P6 `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' c1 C( O. L' ]4 _, j: u

7 }) v* |. w$ o( M8 g$ i5 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 `. y$ d/ f5 V( i

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ J, v, m. ?# Y9 \.............信耶穌... ...

; D, @; O8 B( Z- aRegarding the resurrection....+ G, f- C* g7 G4 l! `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- Z# K) x5 _) ~! p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.