Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! d. Z% k1 ^! V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 Q8 X  A# z( Z: M! y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' k- I: L% b5 x. y& l4 E* r" s

5 K6 H" i3 }1 u/ y* u$ [; zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. j0 O5 o7 u0 q& ~) v( ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& ]/ F" F" v; [- j- i* U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* B1 F8 x8 P6 n8 v' Z/ y
真的!!這不是反話. x* X2 M% _3 c, [7 d, n- \- O
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' k. ?) {; |' f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 d2 o' s+ o) P  A  X) F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 S- ^* x) \* Q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- O% c3 o  g5 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 w- r( X& c* ^5 @! t* n3 LWhat a statement we have here?2 e* F1 t/ G8 O* R  V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& \' q5 `6 N3 R& [) W9 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( j3 s6 P! I* ]0 D9 m, S% S"不信也沒損失"
+ Q" X" }. Y# q& PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; t9 R% j  o! v* D/ f* q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ R- F5 z7 X2 S$ K5 t( b5 e$ ~- X" \it's starting because we have sins....../ @  T% q& f  c* o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 C* g( p1 L1 C& O+ ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ D1 U, ]( ^* R! T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' C4 z, \" L/ q& r: }, `  y* Q2 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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. p- q" E; b& X+ _+ H# I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ N" i1 H4 v8 o+ l0 B! x/ d+ @' z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 Q9 P; Q8 s" p

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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% T! h7 [/ ?4 i# g8 D+ ], i
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' _4 I* |! s9 [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 `! o) P# Y" h! P0 P以下是其他人的見解,- y9 G& W& j, F; o  M7 d0 c+ w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 T+ b% P$ `' J9 K0 D5 K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ i6 J; M8 R0 S, ^1 s3 h
.............信耶穌... ...

! z7 W' [5 ^! D" n8 MRegarding the resurrection....
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; c5 Q- W/ z' N4 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.