Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 I, m: D8 w* y5 X. p) X0 ]  E/ Y! V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ M! u" p/ n2 I7 w& G& f# ~& W, t5 A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* E- N: L0 h4 ]. [( O- ], nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" W, G! v- o6 h, a8 E, eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 e: U# v% ~) N5 m" F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) t$ h( @& K+ Q+ O' Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& Y1 u8 y. x9 l$ P( s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 n+ m% K, ^& d$ H+ o1 X, N1 H9 A* c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 B' T* Y: I" J6 z4 g& F  e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  f. N/ X8 x; b& j+ q8 b+ c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 E# h( _9 ^1 xWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! t; \' r; a" W3 G: C' {

- x' E1 f& Z8 ?) uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! ~( E, ]" J6 b$ q' O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ G  B1 U) t/ R5 O# x" j4 g2 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  F3 k1 T8 e6 J  h  p( U" UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; ~- ^) K6 \3 I1 ?# ~2 ]/ P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ v& u" |# G9 f9 E* Q) z

2 @5 d, S( X4 H2 U" h0 m; tit's starting because we have sins......
* ?# B7 q) r4 _$ W) o* Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ H& F) D( i& @0 X( D9 }/ m. b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 E5 u* ?. k! K0 l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ J# Q8 Q& B7 y0 R! Y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 A, I+ l; `3 K( T$ G1 p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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3 P) c) r. A3 x0 y7 \" o; ~以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. K( D6 m5 Z9 o& m

0 T  T4 Q7 @& O$ ]" G7 C7 ?! n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 D  l+ t4 Z$ Y. a
.............信耶穌... ...

) M% h5 B9 }5 h' }; c$ }) D% ?Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 ~8 E$ o, S9 j5 K+ V" @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.