Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 n* A' M0 a# G9 k, N1 e/ F1 N+ O我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到! B6 n2 J7 Y& \3 s) b0 l/ Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; y! n, w8 U" [& i7 v. i  ]3 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) r7 p& Z; m# SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; Q* U" U% B# h+ Q1 [

! `1 S- e3 z- A  K# N4 ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... S& H0 M$ ?4 U  n& }# a8 x
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( A& K4 K. p# ^: ^0 O' s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 y1 p- E) d0 [0 z我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 G" x2 q6 j6 A# h7 Z. j" y
真的!!這不是反話) m3 N3 ^% c' y/ p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 w" o; _2 q& T/ M所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! Z3 L7 J$ W, h, L' @2 q0 Z7 W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 |9 N7 O1 \$ l3 Y/ {: r5 J5 ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 g* p6 d4 ^2 n/ R6 U- J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. u/ I! a7 P5 j: K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 \5 M3 y/ G3 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% x3 {' h2 O3 k9 D4 O

! L2 Z2 h: J: ?* P) B& x4 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  Z/ Q8 G/ D: Z& X6 C8 Y$ X0 U7 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' t4 Y: x6 Y& v) J"不信也沒損失"
$ o* W. w9 v( L. B+ M' uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# h& O- A* U2 E; D1 t2 zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- r# p8 a, n& ]2 g2 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". ~9 R$ F- M! O+ l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 F8 K* r4 Z4 \) N) s0 ~
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," I3 f$ A3 K8 H* g. K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, W' `: o* p& j/ V9 z: l8 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- b1 ]! H, B" N; X" I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 w5 |4 c2 c, i' C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# x( e& m7 C. o. b/ I  i3 U

( @+ G  y/ \5 m  j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' J) ^3 c& i, t4 I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 w. S5 [( _/ Y/ y' A, I+ S$ Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 X% \8 R5 ~6 t  r( T/ R2 \1 W
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ l- g, P8 W' e8 B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 J0 j0 x2 ^, x9 [6 t

1 d. a- {# p$ T- x2 q以下是其他人的見解,3 X0 ~4 C3 a2 f9 n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" @4 ?8 V5 s6 s$ S, j% V: m& r7 J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, U$ |" ~, ]# b
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 r% y% p5 t1 ~- n9 @

) D! i& ]5 B9 W) Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 a( Y# X# i. u* A  [6 D! L.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% I  s4 G1 v5 b1 A3 q$ y1 T
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.