Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* x; d- R, N2 X1 U& f% O# n: U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 u/ R9 e* i( ?5 Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( _; ^) w* n7 v* b5 ?' aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) o* ^+ q3 B( xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& n# n& s7 ~6 n* _. E- O0 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 o5 q0 o$ X2 y7 n5 Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 M( }' S) A3 m" U6 |; Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( R( y4 Q6 b/ C3 }2 `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 p8 W) X- R( {3 p因為我是情感比理性強的人- E2 V( `+ ?# }) l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- Q  J' J& P1 a5 P5 m8 v9 ]( I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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% ~% T- L' w" B6 _& _5 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : y0 w- K# t9 g2 i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) Y9 u+ f- Z) n

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 g& H% k8 ?7 b7 _& A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 X5 {0 K1 s( ], Q- H1 q6 g"不信也沒損失"
4 N5 x* m/ W) a+ kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) X- q8 V  w. ?3 ~' ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 g1 o% Z5 |" X  x7 uit's starting because we have sins......$ v$ x% J$ o3 K* t3 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : o, J; s0 |* h) l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ d& [. H/ N! N/ S6 t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! I! O  i. H1 w! f% e* A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 R# S8 R" C0 \6 R5 }- J7 h% J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: p5 \9 c  m2 i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 i. T( Z. Z9 e  ^. ?: z9 g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  k6 |( W$ l  b% a* d! T. N  B" q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( w" N0 @# }+ L) R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," t/ g- M# ^* F" b; |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  T3 K, I3 d( q2 E9 R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 o) G1 S5 w. ?7 P9 W( n' y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 K! A- K# k( @# y) ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! C: T1 b3 Z/ o/ S& l* F

. j# ?& ^7 U+ ]$ H以下是其他人的見解,  W6 m: f/ Y, \7 a* [4 ]0 |" u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 B) k  C% n  s% F0 ], b! R
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* |+ L+ X* h5 u- K5 M
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 O! s) g5 V# F* i3 {& j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% D( G6 B- {/ [% ~# h9 {7 x0 M.............信耶穌... ...

, l2 A8 f# f9 H: e( mRegarding the resurrection....6 x: S, ^9 c) T- O' T1 x

; g9 w" I* S; z2 _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ K* E: E+ m+ a: g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.