Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* L! B1 m3 S1 L1 k2 g; j道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 ^) l+ b; Q) k0 K! z( b  k' p* S0 V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& c! A1 [5 I7 H) ]% w
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! |$ I0 S2 l: h( q8 q8 W7 Q2 \

% \  Z: ?- X! ^4 z- D2 |, Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# V$ `0 a5 z1 P  _# B, W. sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 ?/ C$ [9 P3 z% n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: ]. B% F; \2 J2 w$ v我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 R( k5 W  ?$ {$ [
真的!!這不是反話
) w+ z& z: _2 D2 r6 |因為我是情感比理性強的人
# |  ~+ H6 B1 O3 `# h) o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 V7 h2 A# A2 }- d) _$ ]3 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; p. U6 w8 |  U2 s5 G0 k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ b/ [& _8 `1 z/ `% {4 i/ y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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' |! }/ X2 w! h2 j5 iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) O" L6 m+ N3 A( y8 J

4 F2 F% h3 x# @# k3 ?7 P+ D( X2 l: dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; k$ y5 y. y3 S7 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 J: ?0 O' I% v1 V- d5 H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ T, F* B; x/ C3 x3 ^4 T6 mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 J9 ?" {# O' V. Q5 lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ J$ |' |. d5 Y- Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 o/ ?, z# J5 z$ m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% I3 e% l$ d, E; S3 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* P. O& y  a' ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 P1 E* j1 J& S: `# Q. n$ V9 N

+ m7 F# i* y' o3 _' o# @2 Q  `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ |/ ]4 i0 o# `. x3 x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  N- d3 l2 p2 r( k! N% J- ]3 z

5 @! T9 }9 p: R7 j+ ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ s% y1 U$ ^; p$ Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 `: M5 g: S% b: f4 s, J$ G美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' X  _/ w: C$ R- j+ }; b

" G4 E" X8 h& V. Z3 U; n$ ]# `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ f" K2 b8 y9 ~0 u" u0 F, v  p8 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- D/ A3 f4 a0 a1 z, Z0 Z

0 x, l9 ^2 }) ]; @以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  u9 T+ T& R9 x3 b/ `  k

4 h" A  ]3 y" N  a9 }- z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ `& }6 G% [. q$ ?9 {4 O6 l

/ B. d7 P) R5 m$ z8 N+ A- s, Y# a* a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! n. A) H+ X/ j4 z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) q+ m6 }* ^2 W2 e) Z( \6 V
.............信耶穌... ...

& W. Z- H2 a- F& [) ARegarding the resurrection....+ h: f7 u& `5 v7 H/ y  ^
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# V' H# W2 z' i3 q2 U

4 ?. f) }$ ~9 \. w! [) gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.