Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ J! l0 w- w9 @0 D- u4 u0 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 {5 s& v* I7 J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- c3 [, W- o1 `, s& [. C( H道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 e, u6 a, I! q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: B) o1 o" S* [' s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... f1 |/ S! V# C* P0 i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 i; G. q& R+ S1 e

% W6 L8 K/ b# d, o8 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 Y' ^& z! _$ |* kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! A& l" x3 A7 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 B5 ?- _9 k; A: }4 E' h9 S' F* P
真的!!這不是反話. r- ~( Y) A+ j  I% x
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 W( ?! x/ S9 t4 N" `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& W& ?, B  J" X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 P& \# p& [& y+ J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 O, c! X7 c3 ~' x* s/ C2 b# U: `8 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! f  }8 A8 Z" |: z7 j$ `What a statement we have here?- y) ~( B- n9 O5 V" r- e1 Q) l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 k( W/ N( p4 ^  Y: u- G' x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% `# S; ^7 C( d! l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. M9 _+ y, Z/ }4 N  C, S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: e& {# U2 [; u  ]- ^: i; N" \"不信也沒損失"
& _4 g; Q; C) _, ?3 C% `1 Q4 Y" U; xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ N  Q1 Z7 n% [/ _* E$ i: t7 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: w( x. F. ^5 F# ^2 r$ {

' l3 Y- F' _/ o& L, E' [5 g3 c- d/ \it's starting because we have sins......
1 j5 k/ o* U2 O1 Rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: \- f% `# S3 l* d5 S0 G5 E4 Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 q: V4 s5 K; O- n, Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' {. h* M7 T2 K( U8 s& Q3 ~. o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  p: j% X5 _& ~0 T2 p; C. Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- O) q: ^# N% t# r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& p% J; w* C% n2 _' K$ L好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 ~9 G- I1 ~/ J- b9 R1 m) \1 i( M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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" v# E; n8 O4 Z6 h7 z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 c6 ~# h3 q1 b8 G: ^2 }& G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# r$ ^0 Q5 h, n# R4 X% Z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 n7 Q4 l: P- @) f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 R: I/ M4 D8 N" G: V
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ X* U6 O) f0 t9 h
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 L6 y0 o: s+ s3 U" v' E* K
.............信耶穌... ...

# A# h' E" A% |& A. v$ F8 ERegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 w( a$ b5 g: V( h. |( d

% Y% y1 t. X3 X, N1 e( nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.