Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! F' Z1 m$ a/ [: \! p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& k/ h7 ?; a6 s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 r( S1 L1 c; ]' a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 Y* |3 q1 T0 Q8 [9 @- b& }5 U呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# z. [* q- }. o# m+ q1 f" @- INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# o: _/ k! _# S) s7 r0 P# f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 H3 T4 B0 {* k1 Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 M3 T# X* y# z  |

, W. d8 o$ b: O) Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% }% {1 s. y) }  }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' N7 _; X! K5 A4 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 T3 M% t; G3 E- X" C, _
真的!!這不是反話! n: I0 Q! B* c. \
因為我是情感比理性強的人& m' a3 K9 e+ H* a8 j" u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; ?8 ~. \: ~# s( X0 w/ s. q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- s+ X; j" K0 s9 ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- T" F2 H) y( }" J2 l* h  A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 R* M. W$ b0 {* `) c  e) ]- UWhat a statement we have here?6 @1 ^/ S' t/ C2 n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 l8 O, E. a1 U2 e

5 Q* @3 C7 G+ A) W1 nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 Z$ R8 B- b# i3 h4 ^% M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ i6 D4 ?$ {- l"不信也沒損失"
+ ~6 ?$ J0 Y: e! w! x8 V- IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ T) k, ^  y3 I- r$ k' d8 ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' J' m4 o+ m# ^% Z! p: O# E

( ?8 y, }0 ]& n4 r3 ?) ~9 L0 w( Cit's starting because we have sins......
& \2 p( C4 p* ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 j# v/ J5 W$ u$ g6 R" z+ Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( s/ D% b. O* Z2 `+ S, X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! j# Z' L6 n4 Z, b9 o' f2 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ X( p( ]  \% P7 Q& X+ i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% H* ]: x! o+ q3 t4 p  {7 R+ d9 i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 k8 P" }. W* c9 {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 P: p- o) G0 n. E

0 @. C3 }4 J/ H1 N; I1 S2 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ n6 G# l+ g& @& c
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  b8 M4 D6 ]0 G6 K/ _9 W; u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, U+ I$ N3 x+ p/ c5 s9 _$ ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 j1 l$ T5 ^, D# }, u/ ~! m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ R1 [% l! T- P4 r0 Z. U

. Z- s; H7 s: o以下是其他人的見解,& }! Q1 L" _, \9 b0 T' m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 J" o; }6 D3 J) ?" u2 _. O+ ~
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5 N) w( k. |  ]2 R$ z( c- r[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* z) X$ f. M: B$ d+ q& v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ Q! w& d5 T" o6 ?/ ?2 d) }
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 |; r9 q$ F4 d: a1 W
.............信耶穌... ...

/ E4 H. A  `3 B) k' J  ]Regarding the resurrection....0 V6 o3 `" \+ J( B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 T) @' T* L  X% y+ E

1 `' d, r; r2 r) S6 K; jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.