Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ X- t% [* @" i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 Q2 l2 a7 H5 I8 b: P3 w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- ^) S0 ~9 F( J道理我知道好多只係做吳到& {+ C' g5 B1 R5 ]3 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ o$ M% }$ p! I# DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- e" k1 i; B! g8 y- Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 c5 Y/ G3 U7 F- O. X2 C; h4 l! ?! A* Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: K- \0 @5 g: d9 [9 `: ^' v: M. e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
* ^, i1 C$ d) h2 l9 i$ {真的!!這不是反話
9 m' e3 L) G. X因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 V0 |9 g( G; f. h- K% _, x1 Y" s所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 J# ?4 L/ i0 v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) a+ Y. [- Y7 D0 n( E0 H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" i) k2 D% H% Y0 c6 e3 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 u- x2 I- H( n1 k% H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ ]5 c/ W$ a5 F  |- t; W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& I! x" [7 E- {% Q% v2 w
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! D2 G0 M3 @6 t# t1 Q% F. Z) N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' E2 }2 n& u; w0 m$ p2 q"不信也沒損失"& f; X; S# `+ K% V( d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& a1 p5 T) y/ H/ `. l$ S4 W2 gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ q+ {& Z  W  W9 n0 x
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it's starting because we have sins......' x' _  t# N# {9 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . X7 Q( D3 W- o  v% x1 R/ f$ g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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3 R; {: I: m2 |% V) |# N5 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 `$ w7 z) o# g6 [4 B' V$ C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 b! U- c& {7 E' `4 j8 G* Y+ b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! ?+ l4 C! B5 i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ b( I/ e! Z4 v. d2 J" ~, G* g$ n

# [% R% Q6 h; S8 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ l0 y+ _  [0 F" U! O, |" a2 N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' d% y* }6 m/ Y  c$ c8 T7 N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) F7 Y& O/ j9 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& d/ @6 x) Y: Q7 O2 R: v' ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ f$ W: \! q7 A& ]+ w8 Z5 t

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' T3 o9 Q3 Z5 a/ h; h7 R$ a! u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" T- h% \6 t9 f' M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* x* V3 L4 |+ l8 O0 M1 r以下是其他人的見解,* e. t! z5 H1 }& T6 `
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, V/ K( z+ |) z5 v- N) ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* J; c4 ]8 u5 Z9 R: Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( E! U% L, \9 N; `
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# B$ z4 g8 o6 c# m& ?( o

3 q; o' F2 R" \9 F" k  t& P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  A2 o# I1 P# h7 u8 Z.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 @! U% l! R) \/ H$ O, k
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 k8 x4 ~- ~) b: f5 N6 U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.