Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* w! m3 r( v- j$ a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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6 f0 e1 D3 F2 U  f# k& }+ t道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; [! o% |8 ?! n2 D: l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 K" v4 E# p: {" d3 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* d6 ^5 ^2 h  G, m$ `: x" o. S  ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! i0 w( L. v! p6 ]: X9 a# [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) j2 r6 h+ R% p( Y! r
真的!!這不是反話9 r! m& S$ ?. k+ P$ T, `) f+ M- j
因為我是情感比理性強的人' S- F' m! {4 X9 O, V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( M: e* H) k5 R$ M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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" V# c7 P" `' g+ k/ d) y! |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / T# h5 Z5 w7 R% j3 Z/ M+ c7 t
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* S% W& B8 D) ~: _" d) k8 kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. w+ b  s% i1 t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 }: x0 v1 g0 H" `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 O1 z7 ]; W7 l+ \& p"不信也沒損失"
  ?! T$ l1 B9 M1 Z' w( W5 u9 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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& ~$ |3 m" a0 }; \! N& w! dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' R# k; I) k( g7 e/ W7 j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 R) Y2 w( K$ |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# e" h; q% r3 Q, x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ N7 o; n. X0 X4 {3 ~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; |1 Y- w6 e: y( A) k8 F; a; N9 w& L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
. l8 s- o6 v+ l0 z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 q0 V! c  M# l6 d/ b3 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" l7 v/ y% N5 d' f* [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  v5 F6 `3 E% V( |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- b: w4 t, Z8 E1 o$ V4 v8 e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 p  C4 x4 C7 T8 U; z/ O7 H

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, H- A9 v' F. K# p
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" ^3 a' X9 H( w. a

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 ?6 u1 ?/ }6 M) j# M  |6 C6 r: k.............信耶穌... ...

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6 @# U! X% d  fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.