Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 N& y( q- P; S我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; r% s* B' P' g6 t/ v* u2 G. q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ n, f5 N$ I" d  W; KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 v: ?) g: e4 X) t8 f6 [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 P2 U' L- W& F8 F+ U' O

4 I# e  v/ G/ D' Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 o( ^3 r; @6 f/ t7 a8 S3 [2 i

; A/ k! x  h" ~5 Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ E+ h& w, X' l, }3 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 K! I- ]$ R1 g8 B  Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 v3 |2 t2 o9 p( D8 K8 t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 N' f$ q6 o% b9 W+ q" _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- u( i0 \- E, h& [1 O8 w4 Y9 f; f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., ~( ]: t' D  E4 A1 w% N2 Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; `, b) y! f0 g* a0 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 E) M# r. O7 g- G  I
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# X: i  u, d# G0 w; S. i* LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* q/ T0 F2 i6 U5 kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 f8 @) t" k! B/ Z5 ]& b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". l* H  p- X/ Y6 a: x0 b; j9 {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 ~" y; I7 d1 [2 [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' S4 C# {8 X3 iit's starting because we have sins......: D9 ]( W1 j( o7 P$ q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / o8 k9 K3 n) o9 s. W  A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* f* O# h/ P/ ~/ V& q  ~9 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; ?( t+ |& [/ {' G, M5 c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% h: ~+ f8 X2 d4 F" p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) q( e/ q; C! _  V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 S9 U6 R5 Q9 N, v: j2 p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 N+ c- |2 r0 `- \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) f- H: Y  B9 H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 q% ]& H* H5 S4 }9 o! c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 F1 R6 ]. L! q0 Y* q5 U

6 q( {5 G( M+ n' \2 W* h0 E7 C! i6 O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ U4 a. }, o  b- H4 M9 Q6 ^9 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. s+ e/ ^) N6 p) c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 x6 k% n6 }$ e# M8 }9 j) F以下是其他人的見解," _0 w% g7 g! b" ^8 ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# E* U0 U& s" Z& G* l4 M) I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 F4 f1 J7 X, e

. _! W: i( Z1 R  Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( D5 X) o4 L3 Y/ p9 J% m" Y

( u2 t3 `8 l5 P7 z; U" y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 Y5 F) p8 B, n0 |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& y0 m. i9 y+ ^; E$ l

5 x, {& j  i$ q! TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 H1 t0 h: ?+ ~0 T, v( ]3 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.