Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 U. E8 H# h; e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( k$ l* d6 U1 G呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* K) h& K2 u+ a7 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ j' i; K% S2 Q* c+ Y  QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ y" R" i9 F& C- G3 V) Z

( V' \. b7 C) g4 `4 a$ X. @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 [" l/ z. q/ t, N; ^$ Z; [9 e+ mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( N6 j( S' l2 y2 z9 H1 kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) A+ X* m2 P% r8 b5 y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# l$ w: \$ B3 u& T/ y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- [5 z1 O5 b4 ^) F$ N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 x, X8 C8 u/ s' J; c8 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 Q) Z) }, `; b# ]3 z+ [% p
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* d5 ~. Y' Y) x+ Y. F& S/ w: iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) g. S& j+ t. ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- M3 l- h) \% o% H/ K"不信也沒損失": ]# |2 J4 ^" a0 M" r
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 c0 w$ X! H1 s# O9 \) U* n+ Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 Z; l% ~9 {  N8 Q8 S# f% v( a7 j" J: l

* C# C, Q& E8 [, `it's starting because we have sins......6 ]9 @8 w$ @& A7 _  G0 t5 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( j' R4 `/ d- J& z: q9 V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ A) U/ N3 }7 _/ @, @. W# ~4 R' q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 P9 h) y2 |8 j8 R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% G( U  h$ T  C% a; H. L; v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& W% z. R: ?$ w1 Y8 h9 {& i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 G/ z) Y) s+ I4 Z$ f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# U% M# Z7 H& h+ T4 C/ m

: u7 y3 o5 G) j! i$ S) \3 u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; _8 P4 B, k" a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 X( }0 k& {* r% G% Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) h3 s4 S( }1 K, }3 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 `* z  z) ~7 g4 Q2 a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ Y$ e4 b6 O  \6 \- y1 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 N; p/ W- b; I2 L+ C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 g8 f! _" w: |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, Q  h0 k) L7 w% [
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以下是其他人的見解,& _4 u. \; m- B& }" w- g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. m5 h$ @6 `5 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm4 J( S. w# `0 k; r9 L

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- U' n- k8 y6 \0 a

. m* _" R! [, @- d4 C: }# I8 G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) D0 Z( W3 W! q/ ]" G$ H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ E) c4 y) ^9 i4 T! s3 q+ {
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- P$ K8 i% Y) a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 _3 {: u$ e0 e  A  PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.