Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 e6 u& d% h3 j7 g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# G, q4 L, |8 `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) K" D/ H" O: b) v) f" b道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ k* C# U2 E" _, R: Q3 x2 P( }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! h: Z, J& L9 A5 T3 T" Q

3 E+ [, N$ F( x; t$ ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, J4 X/ p- R5 k* @我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 ]( x: q5 E3 ~, c- m/ ~
真的!!這不是反話' a. W6 y' F- t% z+ Z# H. V% w
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% U' N. q. Q, N( F' @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( c/ J2 k" t- N  B! l! f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 {, m1 f& P% j. @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" h0 t+ [, y8 J2 \% Q$ Y0 {% \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- Z1 u& W# T3 Z: X
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ C7 B4 G) D0 C4 J; z3 B1 V" I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
1 z! \* O  T% ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ V9 A" i& A1 c1 w( vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ x/ j) H1 w0 W$ l9 ^6 s! `: T5 V

, Y- A! a1 H. I2 T! [it's starting because we have sins......" j7 a: \" ~7 B4 S: e8 X% W; p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 p; w$ O  C  a9 Z- w# K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 Q; P3 O" x, J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% o) Y7 W' G" L0 w/ v, n% Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: I4 v1 ~! }0 L" F: D/ P, y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! |, ^9 b! O9 n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: V8 w" c2 a  {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; F# T: P- {2 R1 [
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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2 H* `* |+ y0 q! R# |. w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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4 F% f0 W, F" X5 d9 @7 a6 |4 ~' n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 b6 `- }: J, @
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! l0 l" N4 @8 P3 O% J1 K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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! b8 t6 K0 W; U以下是其他人的見解,
5 \% N8 L; s6 K8 ^  T) j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  M0 B) j  w/ x- R  h

1 r+ s7 T4 f/ {. n  t" V* z) f' V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 [+ Q! }( W! i4 h4 o$ j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 ~) f4 }$ g" H* d, f7 O( p! K+ J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 T, J6 l' i' Q% k+ M.............信耶穌... ...

+ P! I& E4 s) O/ tRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 X6 Z0 U* F0 a* t' @1 q2 y

8 k: h, W+ g8 @% _( G6 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.