Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 i9 b+ Q/ n$ t7 S$ ~7 ^) o! }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 ?; G3 P8 ]9 X) ?
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, y' M$ k, E& x1 O$ |3 j- c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& ^6 H/ J/ {& W& ]呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" ~% l! \: X* O' F" K1 X
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 u0 t: W+ S: N& C! O  g. Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ B6 Y( C0 G! N0 g# ]  D3 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* s0 f" h. o' C0 \5 h) a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  H, n. u2 Y+ l3 a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人& Q" J, c. g# ^' n' ^; |. E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 H& T0 ]1 J) E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 \: j' a' [# D, _' T* p/ }; n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% w3 x9 N/ q4 k9 q2 B2 V1 @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( |5 Y6 I, L( x; s1 X2 j+ y( Y$ d' [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ z$ H* o+ h, l9 k; VWhat a statement we have here?: Y* L# {5 {  P  i7 I

7 i+ P& F) r! ?7 D$ v* DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ T9 y! u  U5 a; T/ {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% j- ^$ D7 K4 N3 H  B, }. Z. U

) Z! O& W  l# ]8 \9 OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 a2 E0 H" i8 W6 J4 A7 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 j) _' n; B, U* F% z4 y% Q"不信也沒損失") N! Y6 d& I/ [6 c8 j, |( x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 \: `# Z' q7 Y% a& e2 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
& g, V/ v  `4 b4 Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 a) N) B7 E" n( B5 z$ Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ ?1 n; e9 l6 M) @1 R) O, Q% K1 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 w; b" V) t5 }- m2 Y4 |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. H$ C( _- B3 X. e! a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" B" H6 g' Q2 x! p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 K+ e$ A5 Q9 t/ L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ H8 B: T) }. }5 f5 E! o

! T6 b* h5 t! z0 v& k) W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 T: @& p5 H% G/ ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 X/ o8 w6 m+ R2 Z6 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# a0 j. n' q3 G* k  L( K0 J2 _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; v) D/ W; T3 S8 M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ F; Y  Z' Y+ q/ A; v- ~  ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 `: B! n, P3 t

: b$ I" `% Y, s5 N& y: ^% p, U$ U, D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* S3 c4 {" ]8 `  s/ ^0 b) e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ Z. w+ P3 y) {1 k! }1 f" q

0 I' e; X* Z! ~2 X: M3 N以下是其他人的見解,
1 d% v- H+ ~$ ~- Z7 B$ J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- J" ^% x* K: Q. w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 T2 v+ m: i- T1 n
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 F& E! }; M' O+ X, K- F; `) J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 u! `6 W+ c; v* K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* U" d8 W8 C3 u.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 F% n7 t6 a+ R3 t, b

6 `2 P8 T/ x- e  n; r# V( ^) GYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.