Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) h  f, o3 P) N. ]. J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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) V6 v, d; K( \" t9 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. I* D: \/ z: n: K  nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 p, L- M. e, q0 N: [& Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* I) o; L; k" {, q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話- B& k, Z: H$ C7 |* Q7 b+ {- t
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* Y+ A* S. r- H/ d4 _& w5 w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 _3 Z* r$ d5 a' Y6 e/ h5 y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; R2 r1 O. I, j8 C2 w* g5 M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ \: w! R$ @0 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ p6 ]; L: ^, F4 n2 ZWhat a statement we have here?& B) K, ^/ I6 Y# A( F, f: \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 w! S% _1 N+ R9 v9 H, \

0 G& Q% L; z/ y/ N* \5 e$ HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ n# ?$ E  X5 U; x4 z, w9 w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 N! d0 h/ X9 G" j* T
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"1 s  B% ^. j" V5 ^0 E8 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 H/ E6 K  A  }- v1 }  `3 B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 D( ~" o. F4 Y* v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 ~1 A4 ~. m) @  D; P1 h0 c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) V5 u. u/ ]; W$ J( h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& m1 ]8 J( A5 l; E; P" `" u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 E$ `7 Q6 b$ T& \, u6 B( C+ W( ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  F2 K& `: N. ?5 C
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( H* E9 |4 m! h0 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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" ~- t6 j* R+ V4 W3 a9 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: |* D2 D  y- z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! B9 k, f0 z& T4 S' U% y

5 m$ ^" [% {; n' h以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 x; b* R4 E8 W$ s6 D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 x0 N' D& N1 I( v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" K  c6 v. v/ u3 Q
.............信耶穌... ...

! i1 e* y  i# z$ L$ GRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 l8 W2 x7 d- fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.