Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 p( i2 _9 n1 f+ @5 C3 ?+ p6 F我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! g! f& H4 n; ]/ s' L8 h+ i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- J2 ?6 G) y$ Q5 N% Z% {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ m. A! y5 l- u0 _% {7 ~$ I
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& H/ x% I- P+ ]2 R$ I4 T7 m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- e6 U' T! d5 U) Q7 H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( v* p( U& f/ t3 l. _我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 W6 o% j$ O# w/ w
真的!!這不是反話/ _- g, L4 n# K$ A) ~# b8 K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: c& n- |1 w/ m: |8 x6 Z  }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 [# L! s8 p: `" O9 P7 M) h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# ~- J0 W" @" }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, D0 E, k' @$ k2 A% s4 X8 ]1 ^What a statement we have here?% M. R+ [9 \. Y$ n) o/ Y' E

, r8 B- y0 ]1 j" T8 X0 o3 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 k% `$ r$ u! p  b! _8 D- kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" g* q  G+ R  e/ ^( GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 B: {- Y1 D# v; K2 u' S/ E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" W$ v! w6 Z$ l" S5 ]2 k; {( P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 f$ d/ f" ^) a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( ]6 W8 F, F0 J2 e- B  `4 h- Wit's starting because we have sins....../ @) v  N! K7 V8 j) I' Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + ]( P0 m& C9 A4 x; @3 @& v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 _5 d7 `! ^. ?4 [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% Z6 d) R* x1 ^0 ?5 ?  E$ f1 H6 @. c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% {% \* M- @+ R/ `8 m. f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  @$ R. F9 r  w7 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. {# ^- o% A/ v1 [8 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ ~3 |- g+ Y& v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 g" C. @3 ]: h8 u% {1 p; P, F* [: f
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& u/ I0 x& `9 B# ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# s" Z# }) S8 s5 i美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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& m1 L: {1 B, N" n+ A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& G5 D; f4 _/ g4 B' g) U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& F3 J& a9 c' x0 {4 d0 ^& B以下是其他人的見解,
' p4 w% ?7 R: T  l- c, B3 x3 e5 V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 G' P6 O% Q+ r" q0 |6 w1 e/ f, Z
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 o$ c2 F2 T1 N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 D' W# W7 `8 z) D8 Q2 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" G  n" s6 y, a7 b9 i+ A/ A( M; s: @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" _# `: w/ H7 q2 K+ @7 |  d6 K$ @
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( D8 H# r% x2 B6 p* L1 q% ?- W8 ?% m4 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; v# s+ D+ D% M
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.