Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" P+ ~9 D  H, T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% D+ z8 C1 q% G3 Y( g3 w  T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  N0 j) _- {1 K  _" _( f4 N" l8 C

1 e4 g' v  \7 Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 G6 R* ]+ D) b4 v. L1 I: r; istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' r; H  t( v4 a/ _* Y+ j1 G- }0 I: a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 h* l0 S$ |  N7 J: l  @
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." J+ l0 v; Y  r3 N9 E- w: B
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  g$ J! R( h! C2 D4 G2 Z* J3 j' P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 n) E) ]  J# y% }" f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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+ E, A. J+ _: G5 k1 T9 |  eWhat a statement we have here?% V! c8 Z, }% _' }3 c; i! W0 ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! t' ^) x6 S7 }8 W7 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( `0 H& h# }+ u8 D2 y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 d2 a! C* I7 x* l! E$ g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ z5 [+ j2 }8 x# h"不信也沒損失"
7 Q. O: F; W* ^" X: NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: H. M5 J- s& c( W9 P' C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
! N( N* a" ?/ l6 q" T; q; o. z7 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% N, k) c# [5 E- j" y: S# z# Jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 C) Y$ R1 _  {/ @只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- P6 m% b2 Y( b, P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) n3 Q4 ?+ Z- B  \3 E% d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% c+ ~0 m# ~1 X0 m# z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- ?. V3 l/ n$ W$ s6 m. W! E6 E: G9 K) \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, \$ B- b6 A/ ^' g& Y" x5 }( h

' C( w7 `( @5 g: R; Y6 A) u& g: N. g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  p  P  k- K% s* _! A- i! p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, ]( f* {% r6 a' C8 [8 ^+ C/ \

3 L( f6 e  V! g$ l; z9 ]% w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) V: Z; @. k( C- r. ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 E& `6 z, f2 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 ?$ M) k0 w6 I: t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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1 g/ }& d2 k* A3 p5 d( G7 T8 |以下是其他人的見解,6 t9 Q5 U3 r' E0 H' P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# P4 u/ V  W. P$ R9 f1 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: b+ S8 Y. g9 t. ?/ B5 z+ S* Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) R. P; U% p/ l* c# m
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 }. Z1 N: ~2 U

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; D8 g, q  ^8 f; V# U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, {& ?% v" _' }# h2 k. D.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  S  }6 b" p9 v; o' WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" c2 o: J5 n, w! F. X- M' e/ Q% zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.