Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. ?2 }( }% y) e# R' g; u) x  T4 y. i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 K  g. ^' D9 z4 Y; ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. `( U# W- R% lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* Z* Y* ]6 v& z! D2 Z4 m. n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( o8 o( Q3 \# m* S- V# c# t7 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& p5 d6 k, Z/ T真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, p6 A/ v9 V) M3 D: }+ @' E7 {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* m6 a2 ^+ P% ?6 y' G+ C( y! Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 h) d- x: R  O3 x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, z* U2 r7 ], k/ B( w! c3 iWhat a statement we have here?
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: t' ~/ _( o0 n( H5 r" e) T/ n1 ?4 uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! v0 t, A' |) ]3 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: n, o. I! f% M' u' S3 ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 u) P' ]  \/ U# C7 H2 z" D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' l- n: T/ m) ?4 o% S; x0 J"不信也沒損失"5 X1 z' e  {5 a2 {" `* X# H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 ^6 q7 g8 h% e6 b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  T# u% j4 I2 wit's starting because we have sins......( N; l0 L; o7 ?# k9 s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 U0 I( q) r0 u: {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 i# R9 r2 E( R8 e& B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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( i$ B% S8 R' i0 o, K3 {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ e0 A0 p0 x/ u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 @; S9 i9 q  w7 p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 r! }+ n# l( ^3 W3 F- g1 o! D; m* {3 W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! O$ A: L/ m$ ~5 G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  {* P/ v4 n: D" S  ?

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% \- d! ^9 K8 q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% Q) ~4 s* N2 S. ]9 p

5 K+ Z7 n0 A  P8 J6 M. H+ sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.