Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 K9 ]- g2 ]( y& f0 I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, P6 F. m! z/ X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 M7 a0 |) C5 g8 R道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 \( c# u7 l% A8 w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 a  b- }: |' c, T3 `5 M' j. _6 UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; @- v* y$ T% T* r$ N

; d" O( m- r! v& ^, }" ~4 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& j2 J. z, S6 i1 {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; q! }% A3 R. ^2 X) K. A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: ~2 [; C4 D. Z1 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ X# B% ^6 C% u8 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 h$ s$ W; {6 e1 z3 E" t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 u+ b1 s1 w7 X% Q6 |7 h7 Y' |7 [2 cWhat a statement we have here?6 ]# [' S) V4 f# ~
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; C" ]& y: a7 n7 O
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# D' c5 r8 D' W% i% `8 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. p- L' v; p4 B/ B"不信也沒損失"1 b1 ?0 r8 c3 g! B+ g3 Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! T" r9 s6 ?/ C* z5 a) }( V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# {2 S* }* e" R3 Git's starting because we have sins......4 P5 B) C3 Q% R. y; q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, L% f+ k, A8 zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 [5 E* G( N. v5 T1 Q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ O& Z5 H$ n" U" {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 L9 n5 |, t4 I- c( o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% S7 [& S+ c, B5 R( _$ m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 N. N  f3 M/ U+ B) f# k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# L2 j- N6 v# m* N2 V

9 q( T( Z0 v8 L6 L. X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 a) ~$ i6 C) q8 a7 _; {, e* p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, K2 A" \) T7 h4 P1 C. i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 n5 ~8 K  Y$ h/ G2 G1 a& ~: ?# j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 k$ h' j0 S8 @3 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& N/ R+ Z% E( z" I; ]3 A/ |( Y% Y6 r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 n7 x: ]8 K& F: Z" ?  L. E以下是其他人的見解,
8 U. y  ?$ t0 b) Z" Q! R- z" m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  \- s/ b& a. Z$ R7 ?3 s% V; b

' @. h5 h4 G9 r4 F7 R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* ~1 \4 I5 d3 }2 _# X

7 g9 ?; N8 t- A, V$ X& K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( U# Y2 A: A2 a$ a1 G9 o) b1 c* f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 H; z& u% V) x9 l0 a
.............信耶穌... ...

: Z9 n; U' I) O6 ?Regarding the resurrection....6 K/ g  }2 G, l  j$ X* ?% @

2 r4 O6 \4 w0 d5 E, Q* |' DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* G: n1 _/ Z9 D

& Y. x6 ?  a- ?1 yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.