Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% R; a) T1 e7 `# o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# W* ]" R1 }1 G& E" ~; p1 x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 V0 @% ^. D$ B) ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 {- m3 m, b" X  ^  t$ N. d/ ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% U) q1 |1 F% y

( f% x2 r. x: TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& f, W$ D/ R7 \& d  z6 [$ N) I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 B  f; A! ~, e# T% O7 g) Y0 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... N/ I, M8 H: a  X  {% l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 M: |- x2 X. D8 `% Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................( M& Y3 S& Z# o- }# S0 C  N
真的!!這不是反話' Y, Y) _( J" A' u
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" _6 ]$ D, U( z! W# `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 J  z' o# [. o/ r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." B* C2 Y. r' G$ n. v7 c# ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( G2 m5 O% i( w* l& S+ o) H; A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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, {# o; r! G& G+ ~" KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : C$ ~9 R# F# E. u. P) T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 t$ \0 }. j; z" q7 O. }9 o* Y

- x( U1 x1 g2 b9 Y6 `; b& ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 \( O. A" F2 k# Q, q9 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 q. O1 ]4 D1 o+ `/ ]8 u"不信也沒損失"
- P1 H3 l8 g( x, zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ a- b: ?" c2 gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ t. x6 b$ J+ D. n2 esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ C9 O- W, w6 Y/ X# f: ^+ W: E. B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& y6 a; K8 b5 Q) m; u3 Y  m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 l# [; l3 E% u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 F% |9 C: r- u; a8 a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 z4 b/ N% U' t0 k. P: n4 r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 `7 J/ K+ b3 f5 B% u# v/ U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 t& X& k" J- V% n9 z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 b+ ?( g+ J6 T$ _$ T& k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# O, s4 q# E) l5 r美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 d9 A! M0 D! U% T  c& c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% ~. q' \- w8 Q. c) P) t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' `; D. z& I: n- U以下是其他人的見解,( R$ M$ y6 b7 t# ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 j; `7 n0 G/ P( R' y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) Z( L! \; r7 Q' }5 F" C5 B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 f; C* I- o- L6 ^: V8 V2 E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# O" E7 r- B8 O' B" \9 c7 s.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, [, ]% r/ Z; x6 [% jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.