Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# j, Z; M+ c! q  F9 i/ X我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 _( O4 h! ?# P5 R& ]* R# T( `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 y9 a% x' o' l* k+ ]) I+ U" `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# J! d' B: Y  w/ I" O) tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 B& u' H; c- k& i" y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 h. {  }, u# c. \) @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: B8 ~# f1 V4 I' t2 Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; T$ n- s' f, ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ `5 Q. y: o; E) R& q) K% z0 J真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 Q+ T, @4 q  S. A& d. E6 G5 j; D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 w6 d3 g' f, |1 c$ f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- t/ u7 G& t  V2 U- e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 y4 Q! }# d% k9 a. }2 n$ [- o
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 z" |/ R) N+ G# oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" l' J7 ?. ^/ f1 k  JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. [5 `# d* d& T4 A+ }

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) E, X' _' O' I4 n& D* }: h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ @& k5 _; L: C& Q  \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% `( u- F: N2 N2 X& f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., n  c+ ?  b8 b8 \0 F

  c+ Y6 a8 U4 f% Y" W1 l; fit's starting because we have sins......
1 B8 _' c: o3 \. w( Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + K- X. M5 _" Q4 @! A% ~1 f' {* l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" n1 H# W( d6 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: U6 Z* w* _3 e( n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 c/ P9 a6 p% @) z0 m# A  p& z3 W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, G7 J+ i* Q1 b' i/ D9 s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& S0 \1 a# Z2 d" T7 K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! _7 Z# J& @3 b1 N1 M0 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 x5 \4 r' O# Z- A; ]' ?6 i
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( J& w3 Q# X# A' c4 x2 Q# [3 X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. Z# _* G6 m  w$ x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- L; u/ T9 y/ L" s. X0 M& _

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" h: [& Z& X9 O% A* j6 G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ u# f: y7 t1 j3 q* \6 [

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: |' ^) ~, r/ C5 K, n  E2 }; K4 A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 i  m: y9 @1 k3 U$ ]1 I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 s- k" V  L6 z$ {.............信耶穌... ...

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1 @' s, ]2 S& w  i! S. i9 b. w* b5 AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.