Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* L4 E0 u( K8 ~5 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 v/ S0 K/ G( B' ~3 s. z, A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 d" d, R& L( E: X  L( v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; y3 N. h7 I7 t: I$ p$ A

5 e2 ]) ]& P1 @& b  Q1 gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 Y1 v! P( o/ G) G$ P7 A$ D# v) G6 Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! [# ]8 p' V1 e1 P

- L: v: O3 T, {( C  p* w: Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  U4 f% }, S5 o; E3 R$ n4 [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& S- r$ }1 N( D" I6 Y4 i( v) |真的!!這不是反話
3 @: d, R0 A( ~# c因為我是情感比理性強的人& T) n3 `! M3 t8 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 o6 n) [6 X: N3 v+ |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- d# n: z5 ~' R9 u* x% v& M0 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; v7 |& V: _5 M( [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( e4 M$ I/ j# r3 J  x. K/ r# J$ R
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 {- }- d! |6 B: S  B* l"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." k+ o6 J! L9 H' \% i
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( d1 C. k6 W$ d' W8 F9 h* c" |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 T9 Q8 s, |% h' L/ F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; j  _% X- O- E' ]* g# g
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.