Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 E9 d* A" Y6 W6 K9 a* {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' X) M# j8 I7 f; p) ^9 V9 {( r5 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 ?4 i8 l. j0 b, S- P* Y8 @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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* L, N0 n! X! D9 K2 s. {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 l7 ?, [5 |7 p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  W9 x9 a) p. c  ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 X; a* o& I! P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ o. P0 M" L7 ]% O  hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! C6 m: M; \1 E2 R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: G$ P4 H0 l5 z' ~; m# S
真的!!這不是反話# }8 B! o2 s& b0 A3 M6 L0 b
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 X- g8 i. a" G  i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) b  F9 ?* H- t0 ~) u
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 `% w5 A1 t7 _6 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 k" m4 y; K( J2 }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ g% l2 ^/ _: c* e6 Q9 [5 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 {2 L1 |  j1 a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 t$ Z0 g$ u0 b7 p"不信也沒損失"5 B! x" t6 v" |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... D6 ?/ l! H. M- w7 T+ c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- a5 t% l5 Z0 O1 `0 d; M4 ^6 U
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 ], d# u" [# q) ?( P; t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! f4 q' v9 _/ c+ \0 U" Q& j) G: W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! X/ _8 z# ?) ~( _3 R* C" y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 v+ {* a" C7 L$ m" w. S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ z9 P; d, ]% m1 z: B而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 t. v6 K7 A0 g* z0 l. }) o) X/ ]8 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. S; s( @1 W9 j" z1 |, v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 ], U% B& \9 q( b( [

& k: u7 F! }4 j# U9 F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 @, Y2 J/ q; F3 U2 r" k" j* E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# _5 \$ v# |7 U" K- t
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,3 ~" M5 Z3 ]! v5 o- c# S8 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- u1 d: \* X/ q: l3 @4 n8 B& G3 z& y; f

" u- {4 f' p1 L" T5 z* |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 r7 M+ V; j+ e( a+ ~* }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 \7 e' L& n8 f4 W: M+ F% r
.............信耶穌... ...

: R) J5 M- f; `2 B' Q* M/ nRegarding the resurrection....
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7 O& j- e1 {0 V$ BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ W- R& t( h) Q7 u& O/ ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.