Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 f6 n# N0 z) y) z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( Z0 o# W6 ~+ ~: C( b" I; h5 w+ ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! S& v/ q& l3 y' y1 f1 p0 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到! k* g5 L: X6 h0 E$ @2 i1 x9 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 d& \' ^9 C) H: a8 v

8 _* E6 R8 F' ~7 hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 t7 O" e! Z& y$ A4 N4 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ P! a  @, E  D- s1 Q

; X9 k' n; p4 t$ S0 R* Y1 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 O. r; R1 r! G8 m( B, K, H' ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: z2 x- h# @! b- h. f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 R; i0 A" e9 }( j因為我是情感比理性強的人  ]) E' f- F; n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# x0 O0 W" U$ a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* w) [( }1 o3 X9 |$ p$ Z' S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# N; N7 |9 s, m8 w+ C3 A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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/ i1 x% ^+ w- q) B3 e& \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' {, K2 S% A' V& oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 [; Z2 K1 l# h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 ~& z* p/ ]) F9 k5 ?! o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ m1 P; E( o* \5 j) S7 K( L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- J; J5 T$ w' {( w# \# Q$ ["不信也沒損失"$ d) C3 u8 C4 p) j6 x' g8 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% ]1 u0 g. M1 V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! |8 B3 v  o6 {+ A
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it's starting because we have sins......# J" b1 l$ U' f; m. M: @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( b5 t& {4 l6 r& [- k) x2 G) ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- a. n# v% h, g$ @7 {- X5 G0 v: o3 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; g" X5 X& |) U- N& U4 r; o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ p# I/ s* D# e" c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ S9 d, q2 J/ y/ B# C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 \4 P. Z% }" C2 h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- Q7 m) f; L; [- S好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 i- z7 i' p: L% Z& |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* [/ z7 K# m" f: z$ A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( W6 _9 d7 x% Y. w( j7 F. q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( W# T# R3 U; A- ^; l2 W
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 F. N  O. W9 O+ H0 H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, ~# c1 u* D# N; R9 o

3 s5 ~+ X0 s% h, B8 Z0 L以下是其他人的見解,& R5 C) D% S; V, _3 e' U2 |8 z# A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, a! _' [7 k0 Y3 Y* j  X0 e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 s/ b7 X6 |( q7 F8 M7 c2 l
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 ^) z) U/ L9 Z0 j  Z, h

* ^4 ~5 v- T+ D9 D% ~% g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. p, u% F, X% ^, l6 b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....' G/ x  m8 x& [' b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 c- ^( K1 q3 |: Q0 I+ kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.