Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" V6 j0 |3 Z5 d' O4 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' u  B3 R8 ~& [! v. }6 ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 \  W& {" ]9 A$ [道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: o# W" i9 R. \$ J. s  q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# [# b; }) d5 p& r! N$ D
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 c( O0 C( Z  e2 d. T* {

2 {; J9 I# ~+ h/ h- Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" i/ {" ?2 R, K" tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. m1 @" i4 C5 ~% rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% ~5 G/ n+ k* u0 P: B
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ E; A6 D$ D1 O+ ]
真的!!這不是反話
; L/ P) }/ W3 t5 ^7 N因為我是情感比理性強的人$ T+ F' @% a' ]; H' q; G" O7 c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! Y# @2 S" ]. s8 }* {- M4 G9 h7 f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 t2 P, q6 f* K2 V$ ^7 x3 Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." |& Z- U. c5 c  U% ]+ |6 O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?% S% r, v; ]- x5 I3 p
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + x  }7 }% ~5 y! x; {

6 l' q0 G* N8 u0 ]  X' {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  A1 _6 _$ ^) v4 a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' B* O6 K# W/ K$ Y6 X- p+ ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ ]  t5 ^- E" e3 `% O% }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......9 U$ |- x+ u1 p: @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 e. z- z3 E+ z4 `2 iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 M) y. P! h7 F0 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* W% F  m0 o1 O" f, j& k5 ~- {) H+ o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ c; ~* }: M5 q& E) X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 z/ y# x2 W+ C

7 j6 i% P0 ^! f  W$ [( t( B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# \2 p* |4 Y4 k/ V" Z# t+ v5 t$ F3 a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 A9 x' T& x( b! X; I) C0 E
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. y" Y, u- J- P; y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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4 ]: k: S( u$ U" G! ~以下是其他人的見解,$ }* p3 I9 c4 X1 x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 u; m( Z! E: q( ^4 v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ i0 e' ~5 h. `  {+ _/ A% w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# X, @3 M% m; `% f% l% b4 Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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  E$ `7 }3 D5 B( G& e! }4 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 ?# b* I9 E3 W* t: ^" w

0 ]# b" ]' ?7 O4 p$ g; M; }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.