Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ L& o" e  e3 o# k, X7 e6 N7 M" Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, l6 N5 I& Y1 _+ @
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ o& \1 k3 i, |9 f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! J7 q3 T# w; ?0 `0 D/ V6 E9 z! x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ w  z6 \# n' a$ l6 P& b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ X# _' o2 ?2 W- I# w2 h$ {7 l) A

5 E) k0 \! @& j  o* U$ g1 r* e7 Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ G$ w! Y- w+ n4 x( F) Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 T" u' Z5 w$ e8 Z5 `" a我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 `# b( F& ~; h$ R! ^7 _2 ]7 a
真的!!這不是反話
6 n- g' ]. S' T3 q/ u2 e因為我是情感比理性強的人
- e3 Z% o! a  L; @; g+ r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 ]& O- T6 t2 s% s! z0 P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% G1 O: |; f) b# ?" W+ [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# P9 e6 @) o- `+ k. w, W1 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ d* @+ y" |0 L/ uWhat a statement we have here?$ u( R# T( t6 A- ?$ a

7 F8 Q, U6 m0 c7 p+ cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 V3 V# a5 Y9 W* I

( }$ x7 a3 o6 P& pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 ~5 X: T9 y7 A6 d3 o7 _
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  }/ f% `' ~, o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 Y7 Y' m* Q6 X# r4 k* e"不信也沒損失"* a- r+ ^4 R3 J/ \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! p; X0 b& K1 a! m+ H) N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- s9 w: p4 m; R9 {% U4 t0 K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# B6 {+ Z/ Y* b6 s7 y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# g+ W" l9 j" x* F3 }( S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 N( i4 ^4 e; n0 p8 \! c$ b% D% j7 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* V* H) ]  ~1 }% Q% A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- K+ D6 w$ d# \- E1 k6 y% @6 O1 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ B+ r7 Z# _) X" X( G3 a. T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 d0 p7 R# V! L0 i" z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 m6 P, c7 k" E; Y; L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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, n! e" v' H$ K  q0 x8 T宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( M1 d2 q3 N- z3 {3 L& c
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! s8 Z7 z5 b# B- _, H& v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* h( f% `) R/ f  q# C1 t5 |; j
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以下是其他人的見解,  d. W. y4 f7 @- K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 m8 G2 H* G) `+ s: f
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 K2 ]) {) }+ k7 l# r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# ^3 |$ [5 Q: `9 C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* j* b. j+ f1 l3 v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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* f1 ]( b1 [1 F$ f7 B( W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! T+ w5 b  N$ ?& |( @$ A6 f* z
.............信耶穌... ...

# x# o0 N8 M- G/ X1 a3 n" nRegarding the resurrection....
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+ i5 I( k' C% y. CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( I$ @3 I9 f' n4 m4 w- w! LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.