Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; }( `* F0 [8 d( \我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 o9 i6 ?4 L4 \6 G* r3 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 v- H( y# d' R/ [1 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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2 U$ [5 F, c" \$ P- f( |6 {: }+ UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 X, ]. q( k5 G$ _. c) U

( i4 G5 H4 \9 U; r' C; P' @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 H# u! ?) s6 k; P- y9 O6 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 {' }+ w) J) Y$ |# |+ Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................# A4 @) Z  `! d5 J8 a- T
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 q$ d& ^- |8 g' f9 ]8 M! ~0 O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; V4 k* l' w, c# A% [3 l在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 s  ^  N& @' y0 J+ a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 k9 _; s$ S1 |& _1 Q) m3 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + @! n/ f/ X' c, Q8 C* ~5 v. ^

! r) L' }" ~, Y0 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. m% h6 k0 U9 j4 c8 v( V1 ^

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 ?1 q, G! m1 P% m+ _% F4 ?1 W9 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: l; A2 N/ [4 x: j9 r"不信也沒損失"1 a- m- f% v: p8 m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* d- b% T" Y' l: z, K, Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! c; F8 q0 T% B  j: U: B" D, v
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it's starting because we have sins......
" A& Q8 S7 o& ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . t. ~% q7 ~7 q, h' M/ }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ w' @9 i% T( R8 V5 g" z: `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- G9 X$ e& _! h6 h' u  f4 t) S# a# I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ E" V, \, p& F5 U9 C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ ^% U$ v$ Y# f& D3 ?1 f3 w: r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, O5 z9 v2 \9 z4 K+ I4 Z: a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 X$ }4 ]) F4 m0 m. M  s" I0 @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 @; s# n! m6 e3 Z9 _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 l/ L7 X- a$ u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! {7 `) H$ e  I2 x; Z! `8 c

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+ j$ F( B" G9 C5 |! W* e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# ^+ D' L' x7 n  M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& |9 S$ M) y' I" x+ g+ a
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& c8 Y$ d, Y( c3 o6 u) M4 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 I5 b( K3 W9 ]$ r
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 J5 s! _9 A$ H" I% C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: c* I7 m6 Y7 m0 f
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. G1 D' J! ]7 h, [1 S: I- N7 i) ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# k" e, |( y' W& I4 L
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 |+ T3 P0 A4 w- @- O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.