Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 _9 F2 \: u0 e$ w# c- \/ {6 v  {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 H' b' B  x) y3 Q! I' n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% H, N* T6 r; C; c" k$ U) V: v' FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 m' X6 _$ f( q3 L8 t

2 A3 L6 s* T3 ?' W# u/ fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 X6 ^* _2 i, Y0 l1 ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) _1 J1 j( X1 M6 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話% |" m% f& E2 g# D  _* t* h
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ R: w9 _6 ^. K; f' a9 q0 A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( i0 A+ @. Z6 c; P6 h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ v1 V, H9 i! u6 ?$ v: i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 w" G: K- t" Z; I# x7 M, p! n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 E" [% ]3 ]- a; R0 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* r' U, t, Y0 P( WWhat a statement we have here?
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$ j, d' _: Y+ G7 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : e' ^1 G8 y" U+ h5 m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 Y% a6 J  w, B0 n5 d# ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 \* |/ V( S5 D, ?0 n# ?7 D8 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: Y' y9 i$ z% s"不信也沒損失"
. A' E# E6 N, J4 G. Q, N. O" TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ J9 g7 z0 ^- v6 n( B/ r8 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ q0 N# s- |8 ~/ ^* v$ Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- ~5 F+ k9 ~0 M( Z/ `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 l2 l9 z( w3 b6 a- D4 Y* X# }+ v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ q. Q5 A& p2 }% a9 b4 K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' O, _1 L7 O. t. I' V; K: D+ B7 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 f# p, f$ v* u" _% Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 b, i7 G# a8 A; n8 p2 z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% N/ F8 e; k! ~- z; j

3 ~1 t1 W: e9 P4 ~; K" @, i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! B/ h" t. Q! M  H! D1 h/ u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 I/ `* T0 `3 J9 [# \
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 _! [( {2 ?) A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  |$ I/ v5 n5 |. n2 e2 P: t
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! T4 a2 x. G8 B8 j) z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. [1 y4 W. r2 v1 X/ p

$ O) c* W$ P1 b% r) d- X, e# }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 h$ k  P  \7 R( i6 X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 q  u& \: ]( u( j4 S

& u/ I- @) \$ k6 C以下是其他人的見解,0 y7 g; w4 L0 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% y) v; `& \  X- W' D
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 A2 t1 Q9 l9 u- C不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: [( |: P" m9 E7 U
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, y% T0 F( q# o& H  b.............信耶穌... ...

. Y+ P' P. l  R' |. w# v5 j: ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.