Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 ?) r- m/ ~- c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  u" N* I3 w  q3 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ H9 S3 X* ~. S( {8 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 [: R# a& [" ]* g: b# y9 O( `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- p# |7 x3 V) n- h4 a4 W. r, Y  |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 f2 F0 Q% I4 Q# m* N' L! nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( |; q" y& P0 R( R* W4 c) E1 Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* }3 E; M9 B% q* S! P: Z# V* D' `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ ]% R8 w2 w" Z7 K# {
真的!!這不是反話
/ r6 Z% @. T! _5 v9 A( [因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, t% T7 [2 D; Q$ Q, ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 m' T' G0 ?. k, g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 |9 F4 u, F6 O$ G7 k$ x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 i/ W/ W9 o% Z5 L! CWhat a statement we have here?/ v4 i- Q* g6 G% K7 m: d
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : ^9 t; `1 b" A6 l3 d) p

: n+ `, ~0 M" s3 H7 X9 A$ nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 A' L, d3 X- p: PLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 j( a; A8 D* _) ~! ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") ]5 A0 i; v9 y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 b8 ^' V5 m) ]" o& u4 F- rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; t) P: D- Z8 W/ ^; Z2 Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 B* l5 U. _6 L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) s- \- K# k, l9 O. b( Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! ]  h" x; K5 [  z) m9 q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! h8 R9 t* q7 i" P* l9 e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: j' q  b: d/ Z9 A# }9 Y) h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 G1 f7 s2 [: h. W

3 P* P/ ~, d6 W2 F& ]* T  L以下是其他人的見解,/ s1 P0 A) b0 _' ]; X; k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* l' z7 Z7 I: v7 E/ X

1 c* r5 u. G$ U; U  l/ ]" w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 r% R! b% u7 r$ _) l: H
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' E7 |1 \2 Z% L  H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! A7 Z- d/ Q- H5 _5 M) j

, b$ d9 N6 t1 ]1 ^% L: mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.