Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: ?& I3 }" e8 v( s我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 }1 g. o; i6 l: U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% f. ?) \: j% i* ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 ?7 M; ~) @) u, j4 T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' h+ O: S9 T9 n# L( S1 u! \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- S0 Y$ _7 K4 Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ b: }! A& P  L9 j( X

: O7 p7 W8 `: z$ ~% d2 s/ X' l" |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! M( r! {2 X) m9 L$ m: A, ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 Y$ g, |$ N2 A! i* G- z0 l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 }! c" Y  p" p' b  G' K: I
真的!!這不是反話
" O2 B' P$ y6 D5 p4 r因為我是情感比理性強的人1 B: V/ G& _: y& o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 b1 T; o( a- L; r) e' E' y) N& k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ |! T( G! ]) k; I, |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 ~2 F+ a6 r$ N4 t( @& b- W6 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: p6 c' L1 b5 M$ c7 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & `/ y+ D7 _( V
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 H6 r  f2 u+ d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# T. o% y9 ]- ]  s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ F- f4 h  S9 V' Z! ["不信也沒損失"
4 a( M& V# \" ?4 f! }5 AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( U2 a$ D2 f1 i) Z4 P# ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ C, T) ?9 E2 x% G6 A9 e

$ q2 d( R4 Z' b# v  c9 s) w- Vit's starting because we have sins......
- p6 L, {* j  s4 isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 T. w5 t, q4 L# H" g% Tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! _7 k  \& b) G# ^+ B* `. g( d) _. V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% o+ ~, \  }. v/ D+ G$ w& H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% X6 K1 l# D0 f! Z) L9 K- g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) N# v0 ~, Z, o" C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 f; J6 \, H& ^/ J! |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 v0 n3 Z. x2 `7 K2 n5 S* U6 E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 A( l1 f$ _! d! V/ i3 U# W  C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 ?- w" \2 V7 o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# W2 j+ W$ r7 I

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- e  ^7 Q+ w: \" \5 K6 C8 L' I/ G7 k9 U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 T( n9 ?. F5 p0 \' C. s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: U  X+ s0 L2 V" @

6 e- F/ T& Q: U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' [) j, i' N) n- H$ i

( Y8 M! n' `! v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 |! k' t# |/ @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) E% m1 k" g# D5 @2 I! K

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ J4 Z% |7 m4 @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.