Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  `7 F9 O, p2 X8 q6 `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 W5 y1 \- o- `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 g3 j  V: {5 u8 A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ I7 B- c8 p# m% `$ L

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 ~" d! N* r9 q2 d% }5 }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 B  _# X5 Y( ^( z3 i) r8 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; V' X, }2 C# t: Q# N
真的!!這不是反話
3 a( H# f+ z2 F8 O' R因為我是情感比理性強的人" H0 X1 J, I. L2 |* J! _7 _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) ^* P9 \+ j3 @* _4 \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 N/ O8 b# l9 m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ A9 B6 l/ x1 s% X( K' n+ J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. i4 T- }! m0 n4 S: M* f" c, q* D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 f  {4 D/ r; R7 N1 K" @: I
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 r0 K4 [# q6 v# k0 L
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) l& G. u$ x) W& Z+ S, ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 A( @9 P/ x8 C6 K* X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  f  T, D" J1 ^6 l' A  s"不信也沒損失"" {$ D8 L9 `" }+ J$ R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......: q1 H, y" B7 M+ c) Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : D" L! K. {5 j2 `# |1 |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; }/ q  L' y, C7 ~/ z0 L1 }2 t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 I, o2 [5 f& C' [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 F0 s1 t$ _8 B( _4 |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 @5 b6 |; _1 j3 ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ z3 q* b- W. W; X: v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ X* ^% ^! x% a6 d# i9 T

0 [3 Z9 p, Y! k) `6 C3 N6 e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; W/ _- ]: B% t- d: H$ d0 g6 o8 q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  A0 F) k8 Z; g& x- |$ s" u/ k
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," I( q, I# y" E5 C9 j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 h2 Q6 L1 _3 F: k$ Y. J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 Y* X5 D4 z1 z# \7 N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) ]% j0 |  O/ ]9 t# a

; a- Y- t1 n0 F3 `* l& `. ]1 u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 \1 a+ \1 e3 c) A5 F; V- X3 c

6 l" g% M. G& E$ {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# }* Q0 U$ C* v0 H& b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 M% A+ I* m8 Y- n8 T; U% V1 ~3 K.............信耶穌... ...

' M+ ?& f2 m) E( m% I/ CRegarding the resurrection....
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4 ]2 U+ `. B1 d+ D% W# Q9 G1 nActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  A/ g) x2 U6 @# H9 J8 K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.