Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. ~7 z. n" E0 d5 v7 S$ s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ \; e. c# f  {. P5 m) ?+ Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 p8 i8 p. m( {; I0 |2 P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 f5 ?: \8 h6 c# H/ ]& G5 f' H
真的!!這不是反話
0 B% A$ U( A3 S因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 J, A/ s# Y' e- q8 b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  o9 G+ ?5 u- T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 H" ?& i/ O* G* W6 a0 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 s2 n- f6 t* K! t0 J4 p9 \8 G0 I" d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; T, ?5 g' a( x7 M4 ^) a9 J7 ^What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; q" t9 ^* Q+ }" N4 ~3 G1 Y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' o, Y5 N  H3 O3 ?* r- Q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. Y/ M4 U; g; K* x0 n6 n) K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# Y0 Y" t' ]1 m+ OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& M1 k8 c7 {# q# Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( [* Y) `7 W: ]1 b, u/ h$ t

0 S: l5 a: u% b) z) T8 j3 n5 c2 K# xit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 I. M% ~0 Y: }0 U! r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, p, p; W8 b1 s0 o2 e/ S. p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. m! J; H& q0 Z, L; n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- q( y; r8 b( v3 g: p: Y2 f8 o

- U* H. _1 V/ U5 ]# w5 j$ }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 H' j( K) ~1 d; ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* N8 ~' @7 N7 T, P4 P: ^5 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  F% \$ @" m, C; ~! M$ i! e! z( c
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以下是其他人的見解,& ?2 \1 U+ r. {4 x5 |0 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, X7 z. u0 _' |) }; b8 s) ^$ K
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. j! E- d: E, r+ \/ M

# @, p, e( m' H+ }  y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 t) X: U2 G' s1 {, I

! W5 H2 O6 I+ v" _4 q* {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 @5 q0 U4 i. _, k$ h4 e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 l+ y8 v- Y& c  n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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6 |: j% e- D9 Y' g/ ORegarding the resurrection....+ n  g3 z: X$ [5 }2 _
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  q+ ?' `9 S0 I9 H' F. i% h4 J0 D3 O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.