Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( D% X) m5 Q' w9 A( D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ d& j$ ^8 k! R6 Y3 F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 {; ~# a1 L$ i  @道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ C1 [* K* |: `7 C9 @/ y# D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* E7 K6 i$ `) Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 \+ o$ g: `; I4 E- E% Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., u* F) k- Y& W) Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( U% p! E9 v2 ]$ x* i我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ {5 T, {# W5 R% l, @
真的!!這不是反話9 Q0 |  h% r, [2 K
因為我是情感比理性強的人, \) Q3 F" S. x9 Q4 D, W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 `; @+ u" ^3 J4 Q/ p2 ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% Q) o1 z0 N; w% q  i) V8 m/ g& t( Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 e, k% B' c& c0 e4 H9 w' U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 H+ L% j6 k7 I+ P/ uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 B: K8 m7 k7 @5 y# sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# i4 c6 ]: G! m# O) ]

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" T7 F% W7 @) R7 C4 l2 \% ]1 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  J( ^# k) D+ Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 N4 z/ s- H$ W& Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 |- n7 }7 g; y8 g. _5 b0 oit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 A2 r, N( G& n0 `, P$ T* G+ ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' n# o# w+ _$ h5 @! n% S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: F* r& j* u( e- |5 T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 n( Z! r  n! H8 s# A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ M" U$ I/ y8 z7 ?  o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 E4 ]& k* S0 f6 a

& b' i/ ]/ [  [9 {% e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 n7 a1 w7 G0 f% B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 E, ?7 d- c: M! C
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- E. d0 G. X- {( R6 y0 p( V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: ^; ~1 H, ]. J6 f3 c, y1 P% e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,1 I( g- H. q. t, ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! Y% r. d+ u  G; h) }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, ?! ?$ \! i* v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 W& R8 ^. u6 W) b, }' A
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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" H3 M+ |6 u) m' @; J, S  g1 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 ?6 c$ p4 s, ]) `

+ c0 u2 _1 j6 \. T0 x  ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.