Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ C1 F, A0 t) ?' V' V% s$ P$ i道理我知道好多只係做吳到! J. C/ W& h# H) K- j* M0 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# R6 O6 w- D! Z+ JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' b, {- c% E. B; ~2 J/ Y2 |! a( U
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ B' R. U* N# y+ j5 M
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; J: g* N0 g9 ~) ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) t: d. |! w7 E! |. b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 c" f/ |) }" j, U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* P* E1 O4 L& m( w2 }' o
真的!!這不是反話) v8 ]9 L4 |% k6 [, k& x
因為我是情感比理性強的人- V* U  R7 s3 m% k6 k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ n; b1 t9 W5 U; j6 y. }' D+ g. n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, G! H+ f7 n5 {; z# y$ L1 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) ~3 v2 @! @* C: ?# G1 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: J) l# x8 y5 f: j, P, A# oWhat a statement we have here?% o9 o( }  c; T
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + K' c: _: r4 g) Z% |. Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. s& m9 c: o5 D) |% x8 p

0 U3 @3 h' k2 i( O( ~, u) U5 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- |  I( M9 f8 V- d* |" A. e& P
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 p6 t8 Q" \# r0 z( f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 ^6 ~/ [8 c8 T2 ?$ E* {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 G9 @9 e) h  T5 V; A$ H2 m2 F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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* d& v$ j/ r' V6 R' f  Pit's starting because we have sins......0 w) z2 A7 ^9 r  k0 B# a' b+ a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  J7 K' n/ v* S% Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( ^& h1 Z: S7 d3 I% V* ?  ?只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 }. m' X+ Q( I% c3 P7 o3 f: V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( s! r$ T: C6 P* E, V& z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* q, Q1 W$ F1 B: |, C$ [+ ~, D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; ^( t) u! j* v5 A# q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* @5 Y+ `8 t+ v' }' E

' k/ {6 x/ v- Y; y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; e+ K- g# O( j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! z. e) u# ?0 e9 u2 w8 L/ W

+ I# ]" k$ f% `4 q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 t, S  G+ `/ d3 r& s8 R
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 `; a( U5 B, P( ]/ R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 j0 i' _9 d6 T0 C  X$ t

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 Z  N  I; n% N5 n- O7 b& a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, b" N8 Q2 D$ |: v4 m
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  u7 A% n5 l( ~& x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ k: }% x/ B0 M0 a1 r$ L/ g

: T' ~: a9 n; K/ ]: [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: V$ Z! S) U) B  X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% S: ^& Z0 }/ ]( k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 J$ `) N" T5 l. v8 F.............信耶穌... ...

* h9 b4 [  _3 {. X9 t' SRegarding the resurrection....
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; U9 {2 `8 C" n0 o, O. m% aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ L+ D& ]2 @8 d( y. j) \) z

2 V! S, e! R7 B5 I* V6 G! ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.