Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 q" M3 Y2 g$ y, _! v我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 S3 D! h0 D. f( z! g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 J9 R  }  F' N" a' x& J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# j- h6 Z- t4 M! Q# a  ?- ^& _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ G5 M) o5 g1 _' TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- s, {( k# ^% V" _0 k8 D# Z/ P! ~. ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ w+ ?2 \1 z& s, y" R, ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* E( p3 O; _& D8 d) ^1 [# W9 wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 f$ E3 A: j8 J$ L3 H6 [我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ]/ Q3 x3 A. z8 R3 X1 X
真的!!這不是反話7 |* g! S  ~, k- |# Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; s1 K3 r; N& E* \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# a1 d* m. i" ^, ?, V; H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ ?9 _. a1 z/ s- H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 z0 l( i  P* L7 o2 ], `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ d7 y$ _+ N) Y0 @- OWhat a statement we have here?1 Z( \0 D2 G( E8 g0 E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ v  N, }7 s3 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 K* Q5 N, x! v4 m; U* s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( B" J' u1 U! L* w$ n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") j2 A; c5 X: _4 P3 N9 E. @3 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 C4 o) I2 j; ~& e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( j1 L! k/ [" U
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it's starting because we have sins......
  N% Q2 e6 P/ {1 O* {% Y; v0 o3 Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 L8 y* F& _) J  p: |+ g; G7 ]/ xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", G' J  W: T  m6 _+ M) y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% U' U0 S( C4 [$ `0 {. L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ i( G0 O  G" a( k! J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: u6 c: }+ {& J
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 Y, Z4 R5 e0 L4 U! z& r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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" n; k# E5 O' ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! J" C3 K  ]% c3 O

( G2 u) I7 C  V9 X* A0 d- k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# ]3 Y, v2 L+ Y/ p6 G0 j% w2 F: M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* t; Q$ b% O9 F& N# K2 X' [: g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,# r; h6 S3 Q' O( n( B, \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ f2 U/ {3 U* n8 I  @

( c4 U$ d5 R3 s& g% h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ L. M. j, d" K# T0 m2 Y& r/ A1 D2 {

7 ]) |; S, x5 E- @" g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) X, a- @) J  {, m$ f9 C

; g( J( d9 [; ~+ i- m  v3 j% U$ y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 P0 @; c9 y3 p3 U% _
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" D( ]. @+ S. `% M.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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# L2 b8 t$ s" Z. h  jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 E4 J2 e2 I/ ?: X6 ^

' ~4 m! q  P/ y4 aYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.