Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% c: ~, z) _) V* R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  O2 x2 Z) b: u" J4 E: v3 Y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) K; ~1 e; ^. ?4 |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 B6 K: ]3 c8 q: E% d

0 q8 i! }+ t7 j$ ~& p; U) k: k" KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 N" Q; e1 E9 j" G9 |4 C

- S& Q# L1 Y7 s8 g; Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ P+ V0 r0 o  j3 O0 L/ H6 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  \$ l; q0 s/ v: h& N$ L* D6 b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* i! q5 e# E# S: S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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: |# a- n9 `' H, T因為我是情感比理性強的人7 i  L. V! \4 q: ~' _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# }+ t  }! W' @# z& i2 k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ f. z2 s/ E6 y9 G% `; L. x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 i" S3 u0 _/ w' X" X! s  r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; f- \6 p, D) m: v0 v; D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 T& Y) C/ {6 J% b; B- }8 U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 ^- x  Q/ ?6 q  a- x3 x. b7 j& i! e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" M* X" Z5 _  y& D$ d' A6 C
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 \1 J6 f. _" F) a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 G$ s1 x3 W: g% \8 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! T2 r( g+ c: j4 [: T) d, L8 s' s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( J  w) W9 F& j: \8 \7 |4 I
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 A; o, C( T3 p( L; _' K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 s2 s4 F9 x, L8 O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 B, s: l$ l. x- n6 @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# S$ K) N) I1 B1 U如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- E! ~% e. @! H  P8 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 b5 \! h! L) D; V" s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ M, z/ A, a; P4 Z. i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 t( p( P6 V0 y! R3 Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. [' r  {- w* \" @! {# D1 y6 @* w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 a( @" T' t. j4 }6 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' {/ {& `& G, a
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 B+ [0 q  j, f6 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ J9 v6 q/ r6 Y& {* F- @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ v2 R/ P8 q* k* [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, k" P- m% T# H) g  W7 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 V9 a( M7 N& Z! G6 C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; N+ {/ [: C8 m0 b" X' }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  g" w& J- u! c% Q7 }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.