Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' U- d: I- _" J  h! p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到* `/ ^: Q0 q, q2 n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  [, k0 M2 U- Z" w$ n6 i0 oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* N" n* e6 O* L; a2 s4 h$ Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ]6 k. z( |2 R% p( Y" p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% ?5 M8 Y- N% \+ n

0 [1 A. V! q+ n9 D' ^- Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' J$ C, V5 }3 h# F3 Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ q3 R7 s3 X/ L: z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人- X6 ]! T0 |; F+ P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( d& j! G& Z( `6 y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& B' q1 @9 i" `, q9 v4 n5 ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- k! L* w; j4 s7 R. r# Z, b7 h  B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% u& ~& d5 f6 k3 c: v/ i. {; rWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " z9 h" N3 V/ P: w* u+ T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 G# q; U5 u# b% O- t; o" A

! H& N1 {$ f# K4 Q- d7 |( WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ b) a& b4 e3 m1 V# [* r8 Q9 Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* p7 E7 r) `! \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# y& ?- J. m8 n' t+ Q* ^0 x/ q/ D"不信也沒損失"
' P( |' h) |3 DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; d* r6 w7 F4 O9 p3 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ _( J8 }/ Y, u* G( J
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it's starting because we have sins......% x, {$ H: u8 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . B8 ]) C9 I) E% }7 r  f7 I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& T: n; l8 d' i: F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# ~, ~) ~$ c! z( o* b6 `/ t- X7 ~( F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 V& g+ q+ P& V, s/ ?! P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  G' b# @# M6 O  p& J% y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 }0 W' |$ z' D- i: k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& v: C/ g9 U& j# T) I9 f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, W2 u0 s- I( E0 O* Q  J7 I9 p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ i* g2 C2 B; d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( S- P1 {7 S5 t4 w4 T3 h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 n* u% i4 D; x1 u/ i4 S5 J
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; x# u! ?- P+ d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! e2 b8 r- X% X3 G+ G& p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 A6 L& K6 ~  }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 _' a9 z# _. a/ Z% y

5 `7 Y3 V9 B, V# T+ R8 f1 g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" F; Z! V. m% A9 e. M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 O4 C. Y2 h" Q.............信耶穌... ...

9 Z9 |3 K- o* tRegarding the resurrection....1 t2 c  I/ c+ O4 m. S: D

3 [4 B9 X7 v* J* B5 P# NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.