Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( h# w# P: d. R- ^5 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人) m% o* F& i0 O2 ^$ ^; m0 q" F' v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 f9 H1 H; [6 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" S1 K2 h  A: O4 n# ]  U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人! Y8 ^+ P9 B! U
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: s. \3 F0 w; g9 F1 ]$ H% |7 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 @, G* U. E5 a1 F& E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 I" H8 r7 c9 a5 |! R: s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: l1 ~2 l- b+ v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. @7 o6 ]1 g! [/ }8 f: uWhat a statement we have here?5 o; G+ l2 w. Q4 m8 ]! c7 ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 ]; l7 [  v- f8 dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* t7 o& h3 n1 n$ y6 Q) W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- D% z" \7 }7 X"不信也沒損失"
) i- E4 j1 t! YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% Q# x3 E0 V" D, d4 h. S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& A+ d# X& i/ Y4 m# P, i, w
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it's starting because we have sins......2 e8 s# n4 Q( y5 I! W+ M$ ~5 p; x0 }! c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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% `" R0 M- R& u4 i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, K9 H0 ~2 ?" j# v- k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# L) X9 w6 U8 Q! [/ q# B5 b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ i& n) W: d5 d6 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& F+ j: F& j0 m4 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ k7 E- N* b- i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 k& s4 ~) W7 r& u% K

. U, J, s+ G3 k% m, K3 g+ q以下是其他人的見解,2 w; v7 ?, B2 K, j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( y! _2 W8 z  V0 l& B) f' j
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- W4 j- r6 r  M

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 Z9 i: h( b1 R' [( @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 c1 D) t+ ?% }1 X& |) t
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% {5 Q* a0 [3 B* ^$ {! N; T+ w& d6 X
.............信耶穌... ...

+ H- \# _6 Y. v% |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" B5 q2 y. x; C' H. R/ eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.