Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 w& A" w8 |) m: t7 o7 C& T5 y# b我係一個連自己都吳信的人' Q9 D  r+ {, N. N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- h& U$ B: b( A  ?2 a* x( T4 s道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 J% g- r' ?5 j3 r; K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! v, z$ f; n! Q! ?: K  QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 u# l  F% G4 m: e, o( D1 }0 V4 ~

9 k# g+ v) B, T* o6 j4 p. ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 j4 b( y/ s9 T1 L9 c, G

* N& ]. B$ n6 L) ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ w6 j/ [0 t: i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ E! Y" d: }. t: h, z" \6 y& ~+ u我只不過微小的基督徒..................., n( c$ i/ y/ x; c. s
真的!!這不是反話
# L, q$ h) h  Z, d' M* D因為我是情感比理性強的人& M; X+ l4 P& l1 s& q7 M/ @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& f9 [: Y; e7 r1 o; h. y( v/ l/ {- s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; s* x# n0 o) k. L6 X! @8 S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" }5 ^; p4 B1 O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 [; _5 Q& l9 {* \( @6 d/ kWhat a statement we have here?8 B& q4 m1 P& l( w

2 r4 Z2 n$ G5 f2 L& ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 S' B$ W. `9 _4 c
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& j! B2 t0 W# ?" A4 U& z3 b( }( {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 D# l5 y. Y4 q5 q"不信也沒損失"
- |' m- M% m- Q$ C6 X' H  H( dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 [# m* c# O" d& E: x8 G0 q8 G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( Y- J6 N: ?: I7 bit's starting because we have sins......4 B2 x) {2 a/ g) Y# z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* |/ h# @- b; Z; r: v- Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- c- E7 x- N" x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 z" k, f9 l: o5 X# ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& O$ z. R% B0 \+ y9 I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( H: B( x- ^5 i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 Z9 r6 ?. a: U% i; S( I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ g  z$ ?2 T  v' [

  A) U( O9 J$ E% \6 w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 D1 r0 A3 b* v% ]" a/ g1 m) @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! q" |5 a: H+ S3 G$ D改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# U( f2 Y* J: n4 Z( `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% T6 \( y# q; e

; u9 i! o9 M% m1 S! P, u; F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& R  `( x. ^  O6 a6 U  {$ d信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 P' T2 ]$ U5 h/ L" _* V
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以下是其他人的見解,  G1 z* f% x/ `+ n, B6 s* s+ U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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+ ~7 [% I# W0 N9 X. }0 t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 S3 `+ Y* `  ?* u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ T- y  @6 T6 I# L

+ u; t1 o. I8 F& ^7 \$ u  l9 y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% D1 B: t) b( b" c( e

. X4 A, t1 L# p2 A4 l  @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( R* G1 H' |3 V4 d1 i/ H9 R9 ?; c.............信耶穌... ...

) O; X/ G$ W0 R2 l& r6 E0 ~3 vRegarding the resurrection....( ?3 m6 t' I! w  V" Q4 ]6 }) P
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: W2 i( w. |( Y! Y# L1 E2 ?& v

6 Z; p4 k: d; m! k  hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.