Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 v! Q; O( `& ^4 A( n! `, J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" a; m/ M; B9 k3 O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 T- `5 w) k9 @# I: V% R" f  t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# S& G$ q% T4 z- c, z) S) L) c- ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- P) [9 i7 S, r% ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' i) K9 S: G5 m5 ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 W% V& P) R, q0 K4 q! |8 W% I  Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% \2 `6 V9 U9 v% J3 acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ A4 J6 w" \3 Y) U我只不過微小的基督徒...................# C- d- c# a) ~% H4 ?
真的!!這不是反話
0 J4 d+ V- d' o5 E因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) l" u4 i+ |: M5 T2 s' e' \! ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( b8 K9 f# c& I( f+ s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ B0 N% U' F) v2 [  g! j$ w4 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' v: N0 `4 L7 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- O! U0 O: U. T7 PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' _+ Y" ]; ^0 _1 II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 ^4 k) k6 [7 q" A- {0 `

5 {. [, K9 B9 z' iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 L5 e3 A" L# n$ K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 s3 |, {/ P4 o% X7 _1 T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  M5 U5 W& h# D) W* o) y% {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 S9 M- Z4 C6 v8 G* F只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 k  ]* m$ S3 k# o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ |# J; n- J4 V! p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 @: H' J3 a& \; ]8 H! [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 y2 Y" M  f& \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," Y# X. y9 N5 F3 x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& I1 ~0 W$ }' T( t& [' B! b) t7 ^
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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. d0 _4 ?% M, _& a3 \$ m7 \' Z$ Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ j, h) U# S- e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: v7 q* u1 g' d0 y, d$ q+ P

; X/ H6 ]) |- Y6 U+ t以下是其他人的見解,
  H: i* Q$ ~0 {/ @  P7 F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 S; T$ r+ o/ U1 E( C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 Z  y" l5 N, I8 A/ |* ]- B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 ^5 ]; p. C8 U7 C% J' `* ]

* c6 E2 o, ~* z" a& T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 n. C9 R! K' i2 q- i* B

" H6 _9 e) P7 Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. }  @. }2 [3 G) ?  z
.............信耶穌... ...

( ^' z; y, B9 K9 m! Z1 b; zRegarding the resurrection....! R8 `0 G2 a9 n( J" H- J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( N4 L: \6 c% R2 z* p% `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.