Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 L1 e" E) X2 g. Z, s7 {- S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 p: b% a8 m0 u/ @5 a/ D1 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" ?, i2 H/ d- K5 ^# Y& N4 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' P- V4 }) K( g, P呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% }8 E8 @! N. @5 u) zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 O1 x( Q5 Z5 C' W8 u+ Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 R/ f) x9 J2 ]0 [% rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 b6 R$ H2 w* i我只不過微小的基督徒...................! b/ u# O' `8 ~( }. D4 p& ]  `
真的!!這不是反話' l' ]) g) h- r0 B7 s- |
因為我是情感比理性強的人( u- u5 o  t+ _5 ^+ |3 n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% p# j& }- ^6 i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 J- m! r) S' K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ M- W3 j1 x: A* R: B2 }* B; s" T; B) K7 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 m, l4 t, j, Z9 _# h, X' FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 t/ b3 x% V  t* s, U7 u% ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  f& O9 `3 M: T# y3 P0 F* ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
' [8 }; J8 ?) S+ [. P/ bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., t, T5 Q0 u, P) |. }0 l" J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., P8 v, g* \9 w7 [) B5 U7 Y
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 ]$ |: _5 F( O2 y* u& Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( p" L3 E9 T5 k& A6 s1 K' ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; c4 O) H0 ?0 M; T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 Q6 ^# P# d  L8 r$ x+ s+ [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ |/ L! O* k% J) g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ Z# l2 @: Y$ |0 W' X/ |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 Q9 Z2 l/ J, Z  D. R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- u9 c. e0 Z2 X好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( t; X6 Y0 r4 i5 ?/ K

, A) f( K- I; f" H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  `6 U& @# J& Y" t5 O- R9 @/ ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- l- P7 L( \' {" Z( z2 w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 {& z8 }* l  P! r9 F; f, a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. s5 h9 W- I# D9 V8 P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# D8 Z9 ~$ P# \  e  S& r
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 G' h& U& c  r# o

! B! ]+ \5 b  E( @4 G1 Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* d7 H- X; a3 T5 K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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0 S) ^( g; A% L. E  @2 p# IRegarding the resurrection....
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9 M4 ?% v6 H2 s3 A! s- {+ yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 w- u' g9 r* F

0 T. l) X5 P; x+ p3 y" O# XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.