Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ ?# }4 l/ d0 j6 T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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4 V8 W; E) E1 d/ RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ v4 W+ a- p* o. `( c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; F9 M' S3 ^% g" ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- l' q% k1 |# P, V: d; ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 [6 k) D/ Z" f3 i6 b我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 ]# }; C! m) |+ Q+ A. Q: J
真的!!這不是反話8 n8 F: ^( j- _- S7 E
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 I. O) F) B$ B2 O2 Y1 w7 o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 a9 z) _/ B5 S  o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% d/ ?% M+ @6 i+ T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- }* ^* N0 Q" t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 b" c6 J' w. \$ ~What a statement we have here?1 Y9 z, M3 x/ ]2 E3 S2 k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / v- {9 u. c4 g3 X, m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 `, v7 A2 \  v  Q4 @' f% \

" [$ H7 S$ c( ]9 l3 S  w6 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' A& B0 q* ^/ R; k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": L+ ~, H+ t) \1 N) H5 B5 W, W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# O+ T2 Q0 `, G: m( N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
, H. ~" Y( B" N2 y0 M1 ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. D3 g3 B: r: J. s+ @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ Z5 x1 I0 Q& r2 u; H: y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 k$ j6 e, A# S0 I
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 k) }5 X7 W) m  _: _7 {. L6 v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 e: }' ~5 U* [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( `3 y  o0 h* Y  h7 D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 A. N3 `9 E4 Q* r  F% b9 C2 H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 V  V- `3 t) a. U  d2 _

2 ]4 d8 Y' P7 s4 }) [1 k6 D! v  e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 t/ _) Z4 c" u7 I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' F1 |4 J+ S, f5 |  k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 |4 `' I0 r; I1 E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% m0 j; V+ U' ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 @. a' ^( |! E" k

1 B% I/ \4 [7 u5 B以下是其他人的見解,) C8 E1 b" k7 M+ ]# a8 L8 b& d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 i: o6 ^" s) `$ Y2 d! c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 c6 X6 f$ S" X3 K6 ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 ]% f: I" k# j7 @. D. a

, |' K- o  o9 Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 Y  I9 ?  G' ]+ v6 O4 Y, c: h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 L5 N% W  h9 w0 g+ x" y' tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.