Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( f) Z7 X# Y; y2 D我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ t+ v0 e( a& w' h9 C, }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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2 J) X0 F" r0 x6 q& g& e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ M) l, O; d% ~

9 N9 P) @; ~: p5 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# O1 c3 V2 u4 w, S% ?: L) w1 @7 C; }

+ o. Q8 O) l6 C# `  cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 Z: O! [( H, C  G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 i# g4 G5 }3 U% ^8 }4 z, C) E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  E# d, \4 D* ~7 e! A1 P+ H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 v- w/ _, C" h. N6 t9 W$ t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; [5 `) X* V$ P% _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., j; p7 c, @! Q8 m, L8 {

' q5 r' |# |( m% WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* R$ M# h8 v4 p4 H  v0 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  b2 G6 m" m* c- pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 v8 j& q3 L' |' p% k7 S& Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 P& r) D0 L' l7 P) Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; `( b+ ~: R1 d# |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". N: b" ^- u) N, w  q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," C% b0 y5 T4 d6 Y/ O  e5 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, H/ f# |* l+ U/ X/ u6 J2 s7 q6 D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  F) r% V! D/ l, d% ^9 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; N  m6 S1 e$ Z6 J* I7 Z/ W9 x( U% i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% I2 N' Q$ w* Z% m7 M( l3 z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 H* }$ s5 [  r5 \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ ]  {( c: ]# i5 @9 R5 v" x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ i# x: c6 P( x. m/ h. [( \3 d- A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," y! H0 j6 l; G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. K) A" ^, A/ X- m4 v以下是其他人的見解,
# g* i4 @! a! D- W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 i4 t# ~& [2 @1 w- s! m4 g

3 m0 r3 b3 h1 I8 }8 w8 O& ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! Q  Z; ~; P1 P- i
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. k) p& ]: T$ ]* j9 c5 }
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 d- Q; ^) t: N0 q* D: Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ o$ N% v; n7 z3 b+ s.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: D+ r* x6 Z6 d. n$ [$ E& f& g

% {6 k* m, `" n! D/ c( P# g) TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: @0 A7 ^5 r% [9 b- {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.