Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# i! D( o% X8 @0 t/ k/ n; ~4 t我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ q" I2 Q7 `+ J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- ]8 Z" W5 g2 Q4 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  r: T4 ^. X$ |* F/ P5 X' T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 m  r" }2 u! J9 x3 b6 |) bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 B' e$ y2 `- x% nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* R+ K: C- e# ?! Z

/ j; J& F0 C/ c) d$ M: xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ `3 K6 ^4 z& \& Q/ E! Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 W( w# u  O: w8 Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: r+ `* b  m+ F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. l" C% F3 _6 p& O3 v# {真的!!這不是反話
! Q; c# X& ^* m因為我是情感比理性強的人+ i: y, G  {9 i* K* s4 `8 ^6 w) H; [% x1 i. `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 p9 r9 |* E$ I9 I, E4 z7 C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 N' Y8 W$ V/ |* g( Q2 Z% }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 J4 B1 e7 U) ^2 x! R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# o; W9 L2 ?. C) }" L5 L1 V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 V9 k5 H. u' q

0 e; C  a& m) n& F9 L( b( MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, U& e/ e& ]7 {6 R* F4 D"不信也沒損失"
' b! P# B% ]7 V1 n" ]& ^" aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; T! }) o7 [; w' [0 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ ^9 s6 g8 h  Nit's starting because we have sins....... N! @" @2 d3 `) D( k# H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 S5 v% K7 J( P$ Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 ?8 M  X" b7 T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 Y# p  |% p$ j' x& p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 c4 I& m& `! W; D! P  q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, z( R5 i; `% i6 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# X/ m7 f" ]" `  @8 b; W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" X1 h6 R4 [* S8 s0 x9 o( Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% _& a- i$ e/ m, L& y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ U/ D7 d5 v2 g  f* ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% f8 |5 A& y& ?( P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* u4 K: [; ~2 r' K1 j* q' W% ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 e/ e" J2 |5 L吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 e! @2 y  a. A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 X3 v0 p" S& X. v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" z* z! U* o7 F
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* y& U, ]5 B8 y8 V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  C7 q4 p$ g" Z, B  e5 @* A3 r, J% k

: g( c. f% Z$ f" I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 p! W' b6 X0 t, l* [/ H( o: h

1 m8 ?4 I2 D1 i0 J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 P8 }) c# k  n; B5 f! A% l

4 Y" G/ ]& ~$ W/ n# B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 E' s0 H9 k0 v$ D0 e) t.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 C6 X# q$ n0 \8 w2 x3 T

6 F) l1 T' H- T; ?& F) YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.