Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 |1 K4 B( e( O! ]* Q# e3 V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ N. m6 I: i7 C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. n$ T+ L% u2 G1 w/ Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 B1 S/ w, M+ l" L9 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 o% J3 Q2 g$ o6 F( wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# D, T( ]- C8 j4 Y3 Z. |  q, t" zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- m" C6 H0 \( Q8 M# p" P) fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  t; d  M( ^# y0 }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ ~  E$ W$ M" m: S# P
真的!!這不是反話7 y" }# F/ F2 X) v. J
因為我是情感比理性強的人% p2 M9 Y1 t, ^8 j# u4 I( x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& t6 v3 Q+ ~6 h% |) l4 j" m0 q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 I& [# H( I7 }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 Z% z+ m% W2 nWhat a statement we have here?( {: ~3 e8 H. a9 p! B9 A" N! j

) [' N3 `% I" Q; Q6 w' S+ Z& \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : B( Q# y: ^5 R/ L, W

6 b8 B/ ]. r$ E6 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) T* U& y+ Q2 Z. k$ h$ NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( x1 \: |: u3 i2 m  O. @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) [) R  E& H5 \% q"不信也沒損失"; m5 A! d3 W+ R- j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! B( s9 _9 I# a: Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( }8 ]( ~3 j) C1 g* ^" [# B

8 E' l* [( k0 S9 bit's starting because we have sins......* k$ ]5 S9 s9 G' j/ e- q+ I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, l9 [& e9 x2 Z4 K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! i/ z9 M( O3 i/ e* i7 d6 `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  m+ A& y' E) v/ M% v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  v; f! ~9 u/ ~6 `3 H7 Q) Y  T) r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 k! C- a% Y; X& |9 Z4 m0 \$ K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 m: ^$ l9 h, @/ ^4 G9 i& [
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- G2 u3 I8 g  M- A, p1 c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, s. w0 H' _$ J2 n. z! h

! H/ p! Q2 E2 j. ?5 X  Y; g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ U4 f- V) I& T/ u0 [* Z  A& a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 D) G- \  u9 O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" |6 D) U, I& Q% \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! j  Y- |' P& |( O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% T" ?# P4 h8 @7 d4 G- l5 I8 O7 r

1 g3 [; m- C$ S) a  Q以下是其他人的見解,- i) R5 `* Y; g' Z+ L$ w/ K" Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* P% B8 i" I  [9 z& T, c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 `  R5 B2 e: O- ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' G  f: S5 L' a6 a0 s.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ P7 ^4 V7 k) e$ D
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.