Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, n7 v1 _/ G( ~8 o6 W! L' h5 I& [
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( P: x3 k" \8 Q% N# f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# ?  W  H' O3 v0 i4 _2 n0 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! t# Q( z# {4 Z& P7 I8 ]$ A% Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ a/ [) h8 _4 ^, W+ i' kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  y! m5 G' z. g* X* q: x; d- a# {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 i" r7 L' D5 ~3 i0 _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& K, G: }! Q) k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, M  g* B9 ~6 F' ], Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* L- \) J. C/ ]* y& |3 z我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 M8 ~' K4 G) ~1 K2 F  n# b  R
真的!!這不是反話
7 w- J$ R& q; A( {5 b因為我是情感比理性強的人. M. {5 G" s& z' B  E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; f/ e, O) f5 q! H: I; w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ X; p, ?, C; v  o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., }' W" ?; N% E- A) l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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" X5 d+ N. T2 o& DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 J/ P0 S# ~( c* M4 H" ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 l0 i% K2 P1 k' ~" x/ _* s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ |0 F* b! _9 J: u, N  U

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' V0 q! v6 o9 h0 V0 V; e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ S. k$ W  H* ~# G2 ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. z9 G8 h9 Z6 ^" v8 n7 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 N( V" P/ g, B
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it's starting because we have sins......  z9 _3 }! z  }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. C" f5 h/ _9 t4 Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% G3 \% y# `! j9 B7 W4 u+ b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. u7 x  Z5 F' ]& f* e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ r8 }* ~$ x. B; k6 f; ?- a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, }2 q6 L3 |" M# N1 V$ l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 q) Q: _4 d; d1 u2 E' l4 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; T" X, E, q. Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, R4 ?7 u: g9 E: K+ I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 M( d) b- M9 o1 \  I
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! B4 n; j; s% Y; k8 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 r: K' S: w" @- r美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 H% g& D4 P( r. l
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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$ j9 x' z7 Y( |/ a: R以下是其他人的見解,4 ^9 }* }3 Z" {2 a+ T3 k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 I4 A  k& j" {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; w. V/ r5 L. p  V: o6 h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 [) Y+ l* A/ G( Y

! u7 R7 w/ C, i1 ~- s2 t2 t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# F" ^+ v3 A! j.............信耶穌... ...

  j6 S- o% F' Q% T1 `2 r  X# ~1 O) gRegarding the resurrection..../ f3 k, P# U1 x% C) h7 U" Y% a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 o+ _4 @/ t) ~, q% p  C" C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.