Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* q2 b% e' h; @* W1 m. P" |* ^% Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  J- R4 }* k/ ]9 F# c4 t; U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. r9 a( I& e7 ?8 x5 `, U2 J( e道理我知道好多只係做吳到* g  X2 f$ l1 R3 O- U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ ]1 _2 P6 _$ K$ fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ }5 N6 m+ ~- k: s  x/ w( uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! |. q! E- p2 R! G" g
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! i; x9 i( p" V* acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% O" x- p) V+ d# n0 R1 f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( M0 Q; C) L6 h$ g- [% w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 ?, Z$ R  H8 A9 U# F2 Q& _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# A$ i' @3 J6 S# S- T+ I) c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, q# ]: ~$ c% m9 h, `7 F8 e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& M6 [6 j! l( [4 l1 X( [  Z& xWhat a statement we have here?
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% S" c, ~8 K8 N3 B3 _+ hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; r" o% L7 f4 J% WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  c: B! b# C0 Z+ f+ ]- o$ p& c6 [

4 h7 i6 i! [/ \# {( b" S% KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ K: B) L( N$ k& s8 _0 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& ?( @4 v& [6 q" Z/ l"不信也沒損失"
/ a# ?: K2 q# DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! {0 x- K3 V) z/ Z; m+ Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; T: H# u; `/ s4 h( s3 u3 ?it's starting because we have sins....... S; g1 L/ d- L  Q" @; U( w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - f! ?! G$ J2 p, W+ @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 o, X5 B5 V( d9 l7 Q( L, g1 w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 d; D/ G# k! ~* \. c# R4 F. o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 y( M$ L+ }$ N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' v3 L/ m* g& u2 K& T5 D( r# {* A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 S* }  a9 O; ^+ d6 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 G8 I. H, u4 @% q) r7 f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' |3 F5 t" e6 f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& l2 a; C+ e4 j$ l& R8 H2 W! I2 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' N  E; G+ R; v# f& f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- j5 r, p; v+ N0 v- j& V1 M0 O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# y: h. Z' [2 q4 _
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ L5 `5 v2 I$ V, N- o* y  t8 Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- r& ]  ]! e8 p/ b7 c" m/ E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, S: f" x' ~" O- @! f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; Z/ I" D2 F( N5 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  m; V1 B3 i) A" q5 y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ O# R% H6 U- M7 U
.............信耶穌... ...

# p( L" v3 U9 Y+ Y' _/ ?Regarding the resurrection....
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, k4 b; _; j& X: iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* s! R1 ~% c  _

& z2 y7 k5 C: q  M1 x' ?: b. T" YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.