Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 E1 u& j! V( G. x  h8 |2 q7 i7 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: i" _. A, K' f  F5 O/ j- N1 b! F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 `, }& h" j; u5 o8 F7 M7 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  e  i0 i- W7 J0 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; S8 f# L% |/ U, ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 v, p- A) O/ [# y

  k& A6 ~# ~' R5 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 M! F) X+ o: y0 O* }# z% K9 q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# |" l3 }( M: K6 q) k$ ^

0 G% n- Y  |" o4 tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... z* `: ]& W* d1 X% V) B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; G& b* A% @' f1 m7 ^( o+ ]4 d! G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
: H/ l- k- `/ M/ N  W9 C4 U, G4 |' t  l真的!!這不是反話
# s' P$ ]) y; y+ _! f因為我是情感比理性強的人
! K3 d& t: D- |4 ]2 _% L  ?6 i, P所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 o$ P" o( R2 {- W# ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' `" o6 R( p1 }4 X7 T) M" a; H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 X7 r: }( q$ J2 x: V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) E, @6 o' _$ R9 ?+ h7 ?( \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' C) M' w9 ]" u7 |$ \, q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 n  t- ~6 U" o2 S9 y4 D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 B0 L' {. H7 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; r3 s0 N" `# ?- e% V9 c5 s" d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 s' P9 \6 L! B0 C4 |- Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% D4 ]5 k# {, }it's starting because we have sins......
. {* f3 E6 m/ A+ ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' |6 T4 V; k2 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  y( v. w9 y) `' l: z# Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," w% }1 R/ m' U8 _8 x- D2 g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* [" r& R! k. F3 [( ^7 M, S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 n% t& S  o) M+ p* _! l2 U" Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 n7 d' G/ s; R9 n8 H6 H* U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) H/ S+ [9 `5 @/ r: P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# j. N1 z& ~, B6 }# k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 i' d. j  b( l, @4 _4 m
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 t( c( x  `5 U  f- @9 ]. V( i# f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- n- D+ W* g- [: Z) j/ H0 `- k* \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 L' P2 i8 A: g. _2 f

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: z- {: m4 ^) L# l0 l& P' {9 f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 g9 L# P2 l0 }8 i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( y' |# v, y0 s7 p5 ^
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以下是其他人的見解,2 `! y! B# B# p4 x$ \+ S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" ~; V) e. `* X7 o4 N! A

+ K6 I; G! f6 h/ _. ^5 M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* l1 U3 s( |* ~+ g) v/ P0 Q, B
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; Y: N1 e8 g7 _8 [3 t% ^; I

! K' Q* |! ?5 S- q# l( t% U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- e# a5 z4 j0 q) O, }+ X) Q3 O+ p.............信耶穌... ...

& Q. q2 u0 c& t: q0 q. t2 [$ b9 }6 _Regarding the resurrection....1 A, u% f8 G$ D6 u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 o* Z+ M! c* e+ Y" w( D- T1 a

! n. M7 ~  s' v2 r( g8 Q5 ^% P" e. LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.