Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ @) d" G* V8 b' z- i% q* w& G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, ^/ H- ^6 L& v( |又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% z% h, I: ~1 g& ^- `8 R7 ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 ]& R' g6 f4 [! B$ @& X% C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: |+ Q( y) l0 \6 G/ Q7 k2 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ }/ I; n2 r+ j0 l8 k9 B! Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* Y7 D! }) L  I! _3 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ s6 Q& B$ Z0 R真的!!這不是反話& b7 P' P$ d5 M) Q2 g8 }9 i2 W* B
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 z+ z3 b$ `$ F- O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 v% c- z. s; v2 f& p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 Y% X4 v3 M  m4 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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" m, d3 O$ N# F8 g4 \7 nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ g1 g. O  R% x7 d

0 D4 f+ E! E+ @; x! PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  J& z* r4 Q! n; {0 @" S

! v7 S4 c% c  {/ GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 ?+ w0 k8 k# C3 v

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* A. \; X$ b: S! x"不信也沒損失"
; i+ q) W7 H9 k1 ?$ X. j) `Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 E6 O! T. b% @# Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 W0 D5 d& }- L$ [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# S' ^' {0 l8 E- \$ e0 T: D/ T  Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! m% ?# @& |6 Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 T+ a7 H  i4 r2 U8 T) e& i9 W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& U; P( W3 l6 V. z8 {- C/ p* h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ ~4 O5 k/ e* l, D8 W# i0 F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 c2 f" U! v( J  O  F3 c1 O2 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. V0 g" {& K7 Q6 ]4 [) P

; [' O& M" h; v% ~$ t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' ?# m. H  Y& P) C0 q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 ~3 i, R% R5 v# Q

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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8 R8 L7 G! J0 T5 t& M6 C" j9 Z以下是其他人的見解,
3 C( e/ v+ z% M7 v看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 z4 e+ t* v* |% j7 I# X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# {5 g& ^( Z- h/ ]) Z& f* ], b

5 r2 h; ~( |* @5 F  z4 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 A" r" A) f7 o$ I- f' V8 N$ G3 p2 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* w" q2 T: \2 F; n  n/ m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... l6 z7 F, ]$ Y' k5 P

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.