Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; c) X/ e# l; k( M8 y+ a我係一個連自己都吳信的人! Q. F/ V! Z3 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 J& P0 D3 T; ~1 n& g* H3 N$ |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: j8 T; m4 a4 p5 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ g# M4 c$ g0 m7 gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' e1 ?$ j& _9 D& I$ R2 L

& L. n8 R4 f1 [- k/ o8 O/ RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  ^& m+ V% V- p; U1 H7 K, d) Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... b0 G/ j2 A1 V1 z, u: l6 Z! I7 o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) f( m/ U' h' e/ {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; U2 o$ a) k1 _4 {真的!!這不是反話
: h4 W8 f( c2 q0 D" ]因為我是情感比理性強的人) H1 V) ]/ |- I: N. ]" r. A, @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( H0 g$ r; j# E$ ~9 k5 i9 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 e+ s, r$ t7 M1 i% F  T( g1 k0 `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ u( S+ q* [6 ?3 `. @/ G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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; C( i' p, \3 Q& Z% L) s. T8 VWhat a statement we have here?
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/ W' _: x" w( g! x& AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& p# r9 x6 r, l7 l. eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# d  `+ ?. G7 x: J  p( O
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 T- }* C! Y% q+ `) L7 t0 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, i: l& k! {) ?8 pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 Z% _, u: }& `2 W, _# I1 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) b) q; q4 ?9 e2 W6 p, x7 n
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 i& w$ `) W/ m& Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") i4 g+ Y5 M2 [0 s, N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 E. I2 r4 i* T6 s) K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: b4 B' o; ~! i/ ^$ X8 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. O/ N* |$ P" Y9 W& T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 y5 ]$ _% K( p: X* i3 X* x; p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& S) A& i& k  y, @, ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 y3 m5 I. c, v$ U: `改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  j) j% o3 Q" a7 F2 E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 q( o2 Z# N& v* ~* M9 h  N: S- g2 D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* Z4 E, l2 z, e9 x" Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% j0 q. Y0 F: \( q1 _9 s( B5 r' f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  E$ y5 S3 O1 B% U+ n# b* E

6 {# D( U2 Z. x' r9 y3 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' q* ^! |4 l3 G* b
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 y* J8 `: s0 A7 n

- `2 f1 v1 ^. C# ~; _% s2 p  a" [7 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 h, d( a. t- r.............信耶穌... ...

+ k8 l3 e' E( U/ gRegarding the resurrection..../ b5 n( M1 \0 l% _) y- ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( Y: w6 y; E& x1 O& h& f! s

, `% d0 |+ A) n3 cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.