Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! m6 h$ j8 y  w- \% o3 W! w+ F; h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 d9 n. {6 K2 p" S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* K  U6 Q; b3 ]- WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 C4 K  t1 F9 [$ D1 _) p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 i) t/ O6 q" k7 g0 v9 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 D0 b" Q1 E6 s6 b8 D) h/ k" Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ Y9 a* R2 D9 \我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ~/ D6 Y6 b5 Y( q; w& z
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ J: o& @3 x! p! }2 G) j" w5 _5 f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) K# U1 ?4 H% `; G- A$ O4 ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% Z7 A& l& p7 O% O9 {% ^8 ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. l: H0 r; q; ?& g2 l6 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ]) o! e' J: ZWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * ?% G! Y* J  R* M& H5 m4 m8 ~

0 C) Y; z. j4 U, _4 ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 G  i/ B6 G, b/ J% p1 I& L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 p4 {5 W' F1 X/ I8 D& w" l"不信也沒損失"9 N7 K5 K4 B( t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 ]  d7 I' H% h$ t1 N) t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ o" S  W) K5 O! g( q

( j# K- ^$ q% eit's starting because we have sins....... E" x+ ^3 h+ d- E8 [5 B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. H7 m$ J4 x# z; T$ b7 A0 pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. h+ G. k# P- f" J, H8 D/ h0 [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ X5 h( _6 y/ C, Z4 J6 }8 k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 H3 ^. G$ O. o( _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 ]# U0 L; j+ n7 |- \8 i4 p, S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# R0 N4 p+ m9 v3 l! f' q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) ?; Z8 g* X* J6 q! v/ ~) G
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, Z( i7 k4 g6 {7 L好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 L$ p- M6 m- i9 ^+ w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% {: ]- I+ w$ O* f+ l5 Q/ [# c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 [  L. i0 e) }/ u  c* H) \" a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: V7 w0 s/ n" S: [8 K9 s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* Q: S: |+ [" Q

; c! Y+ e0 T2 n9 y  Z5 {以下是其他人的見解,; G! F: V% E2 n2 N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 y0 C( L  L) p6 I% l.............信耶穌... ...

2 @, ], w  I, N. P1 ORegarding the resurrection....5 D2 r$ D( s2 Y( u+ G: E: Q( z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; {( f5 `! J# a2 t# I

2 K; P7 u/ w6 k7 S6 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.