Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# I: N' u. m, e3 e% Q9 I* S" s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; i1 m1 x+ f" S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ [+ S" j4 N- q  Q3 k1 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ }( Q4 x$ \) b6 b6 u# e

5 }6 [% _) ]: j( H/ K" ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." Q% [2 Z1 F* d  g

: _2 R, i3 ^5 W% \- [1 Z$ Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 _2 [. |' o3 ]7 C/ F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 |3 L8 L3 c4 X. p# M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 F# [) X2 S0 q; o2 U真的!!這不是反話, N# z4 t) {! @2 f5 a* {6 b- D+ f$ P
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 E8 |1 K" I* L) H) `# i. M所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 c% K% c# l! F4 e: K/ g/ k7 L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ O! H0 c2 W8 ]) g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; ^& t4 d$ H9 D( F, s; A* jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( M; P1 G* B' N# q/ d# }; \8 |
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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: r9 X4 [5 u) U( Y"不信也沒損失"
+ u8 E5 ~7 S4 E- V7 @" XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& ~% N7 B% C4 A0 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., L* W: T. B( _  N
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it's starting because we have sins......9 k' i+ w3 c& B  x. C: g1 u* q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! C, B0 H+ @) C5 A) \- w. C+ N; r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* L; \. T8 O5 k. F6 b7 ?1 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: C% n8 M! i: V  o" A4 P+ F! X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, o8 S0 k' s, x/ n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ {2 Q( g2 r3 p& G3 I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 n6 K6 `2 V3 Y3 Y# }1 `7 F0 v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, _1 b0 l+ P  A3 p1 _

0 |1 p- F* U, k1 @% y: T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. _$ I. g' G7 a2 C) u9 M% \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 M3 j& o3 f$ ^- U, r5 p$ y; @" n
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以下是其他人的見解,( h9 z/ X" t9 `- [$ |# Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: P4 `% u* O9 R& s6 C4 X
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" Y. q5 y, X: @/ S. j$ U

" j# T  T' Z6 j$ `$ j% J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# q( _) a$ I: U4 o; l% v

, \: a4 u  q- T2 e; e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 e* Z: i( t; f3 ^
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! m4 k# a  u' a- A7 a, u
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." I* p5 G4 O, t0 h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  ?6 l2 k+ e( Q% xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.