Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  R9 G3 {5 r( Y3 J) Z" I) G" s+ o5 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: z9 m4 j- _8 `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; J2 c5 t4 n- }- z. Z7 g& x- G0 \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* y6 U4 x7 g% O3 {% C+ B5 x

) t+ V# G7 J) ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! g+ b( p7 K# j: Y( a9 l* d, `

. V' y3 e) z! u4 X+ qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 ^) E! c2 F3 W/ R8 u7 G

, h/ a8 _6 J7 ]7 n+ c, ?2 Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* M3 k5 p( o+ R$ g* r) Q- echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
8 ^. h& A  T7 g. p5 X0 r因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. u7 v. _% H$ Q: U5 x) v# d& C) H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 P9 P% }- D1 ~8 \4 }9 @
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 w0 |4 |# ?- t9 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- `8 j" R8 h2 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 V$ g4 m3 F* O" p7 e/ [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- P; R" U7 x2 l( o3 Q) z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( r! ?/ v, b- c7 a) [
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 I( X1 E! u1 e! C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- c3 G0 S1 v1 w. u1 |8 K8 Q"不信也沒損失"
# O6 b) V) {  G3 L8 U0 a! p% d' WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! @  Z/ Z, k7 @4 @- Hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 b' Q% i/ |6 W5 e

# Y5 H+ U9 o4 `  E% Ait's starting because we have sins......
# o4 e( x1 A5 N, |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 V! [" z. n* ^  n7 F; `$ [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 Q% v4 d+ X* O+ ?! r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% w+ v0 m: k, Z& [( B& w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ H0 T: ?# k; M) ~6 @% c3 K6 [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! X9 Z) v& p5 F  x- a0 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 x8 E; x6 C) X0 n( T. V# m" e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 Z9 F/ C3 P9 D9 h& |; O+ p0 v  H

% Q' X# e/ A, G; Y' ^: {6 U8 w7 d& Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 G0 i1 D  t3 C1 U- S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 W, S3 n& N/ ?  x2 K0 h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 ~, n  a: f7 ]) V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  n5 W2 u0 {' E5 |& Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 |# e( c! r2 @5 f' N4 j  c: {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( J" o/ q3 @/ r: |8 y' B以下是其他人的見解,- t/ N% E3 I9 d4 ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 J9 ]5 o. |& m' \6 a) o  ~3 H6 _
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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5 Z/ z. {% ^& U6 F& x3 z9 {" k5 c[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 y$ _- Z8 d2 |- B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 ~2 W, @' l) @1 M' [. f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' ]  x( T# i+ }+ x& ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: p2 k: Q" p8 `$ R.............信耶穌... ...

1 [( s/ k5 p2 Z# R5 T, ]+ ^$ cRegarding the resurrection....5 s$ I* a' h+ Y1 W  f! J

* c$ Z  r* c) Q$ B0 i. `! H" uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 Q. V; L' ?6 s+ E/ M/ D4 Q

6 X+ C+ n7 v% [1 nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.