Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 g+ ]4 r3 J! Z" h3 K! w5 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 f" ~1 c# b, H/ L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; e# o1 p  R8 K; k

! x* h7 n7 P* y  Z! ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  i: |" y( V3 {$ X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 Q7 Y) m! N% `5 h

+ v: J5 L) g: g0 y* e. r7 T. Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 D9 E0 o( n, k5 ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話' u  T; A. s: b
因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 G. D- h; |2 d0 W# u& `8 a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 _. B3 m1 W; p# a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 k4 R, ?2 I& i9 @" n9 k3 V: R
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) ]4 s4 @2 E. m' C/ ~1 E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 @* b' n8 i# S; I( A' E/ s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. h) L# n* g0 s7 h

: S( t8 p4 }$ f, K6 A2 ^5 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& S8 g8 Z1 a. ^, q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", t7 e) \  w& B" x- E) p3 Z# a3 U& S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 X5 p" R4 C' {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 T8 y3 f# X2 Q9 U& Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 \- a+ B/ W2 M  n7 C: i3 O  `, y( Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; H+ W) g' }. N" }/ e) b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. o* D! T! C+ u4 V& U* L# f: W: d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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- e* b1 t/ U7 t/ y( x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" A2 u; S. v) f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 j) W: U2 W# c! h6 U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 @$ ?, S' l# B

+ L) t' ~; c9 s4 i3 g" F- p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 U0 `2 |, J" F5 g/ U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. E# }3 P# @; u4 n0 ?以下是其他人的見解,
" _* \* _, [+ P1 w7 l0 \看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* M* k4 G4 a' @) {6 _
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ ]" P& B- s& g3 k+ p! j9 J

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, g5 `7 o* e) u+ V! Y1 ^4 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* G7 v& V) H$ F! H( t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 ~, P5 P. S; {- a' i4 k) c2 P6 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 ]  M/ b+ e6 N+ c
.............信耶穌... ...

$ v7 B# v4 ?2 U5 JRegarding the resurrection....! d8 S5 n3 b- b, g+ W" w- ~

8 _$ i3 i$ _6 qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.