Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# P1 F# D' p- W- n. v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 d% R/ d& Y1 E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# o3 J8 n3 {8 k) q$ o- S8 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到  j2 Q' C  N; a8 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 i! r! r, ]8 y3 i" o; uNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% X% @, b" r6 e% j  D
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 I" f" D* H5 N, w2 ^* c
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- K4 v6 ^4 z# M9 S. f2 Q+ k/ G. }

  t; S! h0 K& U" S! Z9 j" o! Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: B9 K6 ?; G7 n$ pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 P! T: ~0 l$ ~9 B) M3 g1 _2 z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! h: `- W. K3 s6 |6 x- N
真的!!這不是反話% S9 Z) [! R; I) D1 H6 L# |0 H
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 I8 q6 F2 C: L( Q, p1 ~* R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 g7 C! N) J5 S+ g1 Z8 a4 v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ G, u9 T5 T7 t' `- G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) }' R# w' z9 Q* c- q8 f5 |0 LWhat a statement we have here?1 H# f4 s0 H) d# m

. [: J. E* a# N" `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # x: n9 l# ~1 C) Y, T8 h4 [

! X5 x3 w6 U4 Y" U% CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 ?6 y( Z; A! r$ d$ W4 p8 o1 T
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 y& ]& p& w% ~: H2 j+ z+ ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& G. V( G/ {& |! L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 W* y$ E( e, U5 l"不信也沒損失"8 ~) z- F- ~' O  z; V8 k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 i3 ^; J$ i/ N4 s6 X) D' a- C; xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  q: }! O; `+ G+ ^# |. m
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ B& {5 V, G. @- X! K- Q) q) ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' L% Z" s* \+ r) xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ x  a) \! ]! U# J4 Q# V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* \) z. b( \0 I0 z6 e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# A5 e- m3 a' V, W$ ?1 B( y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! ^3 }+ k: b/ d3 T4 B3 Y+ F4 ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; e# T5 [% ?- t# h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  Q" K8 v4 F0 G# S1 p  T; w

  }8 L, R, @* Y/ O# x% e# v2 m9 |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! V; p9 ]% r5 s* d; ]6 K' K1 r- j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# m  o7 ?% l# _5 b$ r3 \; z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" [3 L2 Y! l. ^; U! f1 m& V8 @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 F- `; Q/ g1 `8 E) [

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# r& m5 O# t# V, x# W0 `1 ^9 O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. S) d: b; D% x

9 E- j: R' t( C! r5 o2 ]以下是其他人的見解,) u/ d7 S# l# G" y0 J. `! u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 |  w9 {* [, z. ^( M  O# }

$ m3 f; Z9 m" x4 C8 e! k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( V1 a. j6 j$ a( @3 f: b- k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( w3 y( A! `2 G8 w" y6 f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 F4 r" t/ B. Q3 ~" i+ P) `9 P
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 w& M# I" Q8 V! T6 N6 o$ A

; H# b" r6 b0 d6 H. a  LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.