Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; }- b) ]: a; x* F1 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 j5 |- {% S: j( L) [3 ^! J' ]: j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( \/ ?5 n9 q9 K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ l# u* C" P6 l9 X& q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% C& k: f) \3 J+ N% VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 X5 c/ `: B7 h0 c# R* T3 ^

2 |: }4 j: r  J2 `9 `) q$ ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  {/ q4 Q8 S0 A7 v) Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, `# w$ d) \. l% ?" o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% ]3 D2 s% Z3 g6 y/ C, [
真的!!這不是反話  I# S9 [% v5 C9 Y8 x
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( W$ A* [8 R9 P/ \' C1 L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% O) u- g. q" m, y! V) j- c' ]- M
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ T+ P+ I; j7 J/ H; ?2 S# s; M$ z2 ]. B  f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ d# ~8 W. B, y" c% ~& UWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 K. |9 Z8 q& ]7 D& V0 H* E5 k. W

+ f. ?8 X* ^: Q" e$ FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# G6 [( f6 N8 I5 w* h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 ]! d* A, n4 {& y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 d& l& @" o* m" F+ {5 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......: q+ v" K5 [# w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. [4 Q$ Z, a4 Lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ W5 x* @5 r, I8 v' l0 ?4 p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' u% m) o6 e: |: V; Z8 F  A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 }! Q' P, u) x; s6 b6 V# ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 T0 I) l% C; A# I' _! C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 a* B1 K- {: X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& j$ ~. K, [+ y" u4 u( u4 @, c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. w& }3 z) Z5 l$ ~) m$ K& n' i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  K% Y; b- d& }; k, M. L# h8 Q9 z  Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ A/ U( i7 V& K3 o0 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. D8 }3 q) ]5 U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ F3 W. z* [1 @2 k4 t

( g/ q( g9 D0 i- w- g8 G. d3 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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9 D6 C* O  O1 D& I" y以下是其他人的見解,
  I1 r7 b; B3 F$ B+ r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& b1 c' ]# a% ]/ t* f' F; K
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ N$ [1 |: g1 @2 A- _; b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 z( h6 Y8 C+ r0 r1 }1 j% M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. v! E  @9 |) O7 m3 ^/ L! K0 d* W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ x4 ]7 ^7 d9 j4 C- [) r.............信耶穌... ...

+ v9 y2 i1 I# b( F. ~+ L6 g" U. vRegarding the resurrection....4 b( F& O" G# ]6 _  D

' O+ Q* V( ^! u- U. {& qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 T, `6 h1 A$ ~: z7 |2 bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.