Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 l& Q3 F* R- k7 h  \6 Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% o& v$ R, F8 z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) A' q5 I2 s: \9 m! x& [, N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- c: }* g. r0 x1 y2 r# j3 ^& c1 \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, |0 Z# b. G/ t. sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! H2 V) e- d1 H+ w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 \" S3 A- R: }. B. O" e

1 b! J" ]. ]' x8 c/ ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- d7 c' Q- ]" Q' f) Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 u3 o% i* A9 _+ n8 W0 C2 k我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人! Q' P2 [# A* E4 z" V/ u" ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 U; a9 W" A' j# e6 P, a+ M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 z2 B" ?4 P9 a' p5 v" N" l在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' p& \; l0 Z5 X1 z/ i% I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  g4 {, K; \/ \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- {. ^+ n8 k, h# x  o, W" O; Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % a& S, W- W" _$ T3 D* E9 W* L

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& U; ~9 {; T1 b6 H- \) d, f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' u5 @* Z% ]$ D. K9 B3 Q5 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 h+ j$ }* z4 v( C! U! H! D) Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( ~1 h% ^( N: z( S$ K! w# ?3 w" T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......2 u6 X/ f+ q& l! _/ V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* ~4 I5 f: q& K5 J! Lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 Z: t5 \+ n5 R7 I* s$ Y! ]& Q, Z9 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; T  b: t' _5 J8 ]. @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; a5 _" v( O3 Y6 \$ B而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 |+ y4 {- S5 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 ^6 K  G! Z3 G2 t3 s9 z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 L5 m  W) X5 ]$ I9 {4 s3 z

  A2 ~6 o( d: o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 q8 h# k9 A) I, @4 D% r' R: M: Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 l) U$ A+ V. H5 t6 _; o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... \" N: E& N' k8 s# C* r

6 c, n' l( E) c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* f) V% j  I/ ~2 l4 {/ n1 q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
3 }* G; [0 M7 e看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 R/ s: T% Y" W; C9 h" a/ }

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 ?3 y/ Z1 e$ F' c
.............信耶穌... ...

0 X; }+ _/ r/ c3 NRegarding the resurrection....6 v) C0 x: U& R: m* x

( H9 F0 [' d# x1 r4 M7 e3 iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* ?, U- L& y4 ^# b  M9 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.