Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: W# T& x0 v) j8 \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' `# R/ i  q4 S  Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 u1 h/ @3 s. N8 h道理我知道好多只係做吳到' h2 m/ n8 _8 _. }2 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  [& r: [- T+ F  @

% w5 y9 `* t2 B1 G( B3 \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 X. {. u6 p/ B
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* I: i1 h8 H" ~: }' ?1 J我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ h( y* f4 y' t) v. Z) u9 A( [; m
真的!!這不是反話
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) i  C" |& f) ]3 N+ f" O. e所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, o7 y, i; u8 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ A- ?; k( F/ t. y! i1 V

9 }7 O' t6 ?0 n- ?, Y9 w/ KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, b* m8 R! I% l% h' p2 g" uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  R9 r5 e" k% o! C3 D% v. v1 K
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 r2 s( K- C& ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 V8 r9 ~" W  ^8 o"不信也沒損失"
( r& r% I9 F( N+ [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 i& c. g$ ^$ }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) K: B* g7 l, s- u5 ~it's starting because we have sins......
; I2 M. A  w# gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - l- m& `6 D" [2 Q4 |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! W( s" Q# H4 [! Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 m: ?7 m4 J- I# }  z0 p. S: t. t) ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: o6 Q; v$ L5 Z2 n1 D! q9 E7 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% q* E& k% h4 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 c# T1 {% X8 w# \! J* {( @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 C+ F2 V0 d7 M9 {% u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! N& R, b/ t# T. }: O, g' K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% w1 P- W7 p0 c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: T( j8 Y$ s; L0 R' y9 ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ O! Y& a8 Q* X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! \3 g. u( [7 ^8 h% V

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 j. ^) R3 ?. J; \- z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; g0 c0 `: M, i9 p' u/ \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ |. \, q/ k) n  s% @( C0 z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& s- o' n, L; a0 T# C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ C8 J3 c6 ]$ w: P, L' z6 [0 ^  T

3 z- [  Y. V, q/ W0 `6 `0 I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 l* N+ W; m% t/ Q8 ]* P$ o.............信耶穌... ...

1 s% ~% _: x6 w; L/ @" I5 ~Regarding the resurrection....
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2 ^  s0 q9 F) A7 @/ F' Q9 v8 K2 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& j4 ?3 h' Z& X+ P+ U% ]. F' a7 B/ T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.