Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ U5 ~4 W/ I1 g) l1 Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ ?" f/ C4 v) F: X' r5 d* {" Z! z- E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. C2 o% E; T1 b道理我知道好多只係做吳到  C4 r: S# p6 C# K3 e4 |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% y) C% G; D. F# a* aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 }  ~; A8 D  p$ a6 t' e5 X% emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 p- U& M- _/ P6 N" tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' ]+ f& [4 z9 v, b, z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ x8 K/ K3 r6 `# y5 I$ x
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., {) P8 O" U+ S7 R* L' n# ]
真的!!這不是反話7 D- y  U) \2 C, K) V" N3 [
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 I6 G* N0 I6 N( R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ I+ l3 B3 j) Q- n9 w0 j& ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ a- t* u$ _& H9 P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 a# C9 ?: D* @6 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* G6 e! O+ e: DWhat a statement we have here?8 F; R- D! i$ B

- [/ C" E) w1 [/ pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- x# p( a3 ]( F# a( V# l

, g% i/ ~. C' z9 k3 C* k3 c+ `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; |7 L4 P0 Y+ h& S8 D
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"! a/ g2 T. w7 Y2 f: ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 S3 s: o# }; e4 ]' }* {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 i% a5 b7 y9 C+ ^% `
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ z) B  o+ _6 H3 t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. L) v/ z& a! W, P# G1 E' r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 O  K! ]  a( g4 ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 Y/ n! @9 L# `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% o, w9 ~2 b( E" E; q; a& w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, p4 P: x$ |2 U5 z( r) ]. K

; L' x- Y6 v. T/ x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ c7 k. d9 x$ m7 k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 o6 e! e: q) e6 }- w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ U2 ~7 ~5 M+ P3 c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 n+ N" E# X; {& W* b7 h; P- b# d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' }4 x0 r. T6 F# f+ |5 t+ B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ T( X# L) v( E' k, ]3 H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 k! s7 l- {$ k7 g

' T3 Q. |" s3 L: t' R; J$ H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 O& M& R4 T  |3 V) z* D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( Q; g8 U  l' Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 m; s- D9 s4 n# e! d( Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 m, ^8 O" D# [1 ?0 z& e

1 W9 Y. B. k) M  OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 p/ O1 J, B$ T& `/ \) p6 a0 xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.