Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! G! E* R7 `, b+ P, t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 o4 o+ F! l7 Z( V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 m  E2 V# W3 G& }/ W道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( `1 g6 C% z0 t  e8 N# n$ [4 f呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: m; m8 G6 d5 y. W5 X) ^3 d0 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: @) J8 k# g( C1 E6 h, f' _" X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) @( C3 N. e" L8 E

& K/ [: \, L4 m3 h% y+ g8 B6 x$ K7 B* Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! F% W1 c3 g# |5 s( {- _: Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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2 c: L! |! N( r真的!!這不是反話
9 r+ `0 E1 G, `7 N3 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' T# M& @( r, I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ ^3 ~3 O! o) Q; ?; m/ b) K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( x3 U1 `9 Y9 X) B' g8 o) s- u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" a8 S8 O3 `* q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 _* ^- Y% @" ?  A  j0 I0 v

2 k3 R, U8 O/ n/ PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# E4 `  [) w" @: U; m% w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ E4 b. _1 m6 B. l8 `) ~
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. H7 N1 B6 \, Z0 }6 x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: ?$ }9 U% t, T3 }) I- s. W/ k0 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 B% @% M. Q2 E. c. d* O; Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 K% h0 {% f' Q0 f! O$ Q  |it's starting because we have sins......4 \) x# G2 J) |, Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% ]0 \( H& l5 T1 t% S5 {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) Q1 u  J% _1 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. M5 _! L" S% h0 G$ [, Q3 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 v) L3 z/ q! H. C& v4 _& _% I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! R5 X. \0 h, }2 O% O# i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; y8 d2 F* v- k3 a% ^3 j改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; u0 ~6 I& U& L# `美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 a( }- P; g0 d. A( T2 {) d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. i- B) E8 J1 ~3 C. a0 t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* r) S2 E$ N' Z* u+ V% t
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- u- t" j+ `; f8 ?) X, q; t/ \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; B5 B- d4 C: V/ K3 @4 ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, y" c/ x; u. R; r- g* ^, \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 ^7 ^# Y8 p- }& J

" h, K" C! x1 X( a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  V* _6 ^- I2 A. _2 R: z# M
.............信耶穌... ...

% D2 d2 z1 t9 K9 j3 yRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, o, \1 V, k2 fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.