Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" M) Y8 [# ?5 B7 c3 E* z. v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 x" m% s" Z- J) @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ {0 l; J2 y2 F# B# y' s, O# v; rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: U1 z) g5 V2 F4 Q) J$ i# sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- i9 A& M# {' X- L# Y8 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 k  V& ~, j6 Y' D/ Y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' r0 f# T; ^2 b4 Z  `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 ]: n; t' n3 f, D& F3 x* ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! x8 t9 i* J. S' A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* Z  ^1 w/ h- @8 ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  }4 F3 x: x0 ?8 w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, n  E( v6 R! L! l. \7 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 i6 |8 J" |9 O. E+ E/ N, O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 V* \. N/ w! ]; S2 B! |+ }! Z5 ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* I2 A& _9 J: T+ f; Z2 T, J& Q' t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 S' V( M2 h' d: |- q9 J9 J. N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) ?6 ?5 G0 f7 Z7 E: I"不信也沒損失"
2 o- n. ?+ D1 S' oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 R7 m) N9 L% V8 u2 \; M* y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 s4 Y. g' T0 K: m* x- G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ U: _9 j8 ~  A4 d- O( L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( S( E% d9 m3 U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," m- L. V/ q7 p2 J# o1 B6 f* Y3 }
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 |# f% q- U4 M/ }! _! h. M. m

0 n- z; r: @6 [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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8 ?4 @/ l: Q7 K0 D  ~! a9 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' M: p9 E6 D; Z. ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ {" \7 M, E' W; F. z& e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 f4 {' ^0 I9 b. I9 f3 G6 }8 N以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 M" ~) b# `+ h' d: K; o

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 L* }0 q9 v4 F6 Q

9 W! S) O; S" m4 M2 }) y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 t1 P+ B: V' E! k
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 k. v' T$ L; d$ H. \5 w6 R, g1 \
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 T( \# \' c& Q  C2 LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.