Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 L; _* d8 @( _9 |/ j1 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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9 L: u6 v- N# I1 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ y# L) E# z2 l) q5 c1 L8 u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. W% h/ N* r5 i1 D; q6 iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, A) p4 w' W8 k# G/ b0 n( W& v$ }& ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* y! t4 O/ W7 n0 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 |1 y$ F! M1 Q! j- v- \
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., P* U* j; ^) O
真的!!這不是反話
2 n& h) g+ d5 ]) t因為我是情感比理性強的人" O0 c! C$ n  z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' n5 h" W( j1 O$ F6 ]) D% B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 g; P, Q4 t9 D0 b3 S# e, A. y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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& u6 o& q, v/ QWhat a statement we have here?
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2 V" j- c4 s- W% fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
8 w/ d. X- p- Y3 E2 g6 PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* l4 {: K# r3 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* c- `  l. E8 Y7 ]" z; }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 _8 z0 g: I9 J7 g' Q. C: A: X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: e% ?5 m) v( n* |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- F% m0 g2 n! u1 ]" _% G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( V8 X, q: a7 p6 V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. N7 @$ a7 A# s2 y+ j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 G, c+ b& z' r0 N! K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' O  ]) P5 ~' z6 L9 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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0 `* r! X: b3 E" j. x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, h6 e3 ?1 I+ h- O

' `' e. ~, D; g% h9 R以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" b  P' X- ]9 [, X7 e, \

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! N& J- p/ i# F' g& U2 x) r' E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) x/ |- c1 a3 bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.