Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 o( k# B0 B. j; U我係一個連自己都吳信的人! R2 o4 h: C; `+ {( y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ c- j" f6 C, G6 d) j) J道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 q7 ~# |8 Y/ C5 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ [" r/ N5 q# g/ H, y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  {) J. C/ N. v* g; B4 d* pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! K' b8 g, X0 Q8 ]. ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 @9 J. c6 C. p2 k# V# [2 Y1 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 u7 G. `2 e; N. x8 d" I- M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 |+ f) @$ z% M: E所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ N) L- H1 V* }( L+ J1 x1 _% }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; w  O  ?& o* {# m+ Z& x% Z' @" I在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 A. n- Z+ L. p$ }# v4 Y7 i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 F& x/ p2 i- f7 j3 i; y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 C: v* ~5 Z  P7 S6 j0 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 p# O, X2 o# ^) g1 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  K4 Z. }, v5 ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 X- Z) F- T, `1 r9 X1 p: w1 `
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it's starting because we have sins......9 [0 w( _2 o7 V) `5 K4 m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! }& w' {4 q3 X( V+ g% hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' u3 |. ]0 n2 I, i: a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- y+ P7 ]% q, i5 W) m5 T- Q7 m, R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 }& C8 j% \$ J4 K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 t# R0 x* e+ a1 h' N! A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 q  y7 q- j: Q. |: ^& {+ F, J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  F7 E3 T. O1 S- Z; x( k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  C' t! |6 o3 u# y, B- [, r3 f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 M' g1 x8 y! h  f) W; U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) `1 K  w/ u" ^* I9 g" Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' L' @. C1 X6 f* X& p4 p4 ?
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ t' S' K; @0 |# d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ y' S' Z2 p% d7 ?0 |, O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ v+ A$ X7 E- `& c9 i. `2 x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 y5 P6 d3 \8 Q5 u# j, X

+ _; T9 Q7 A- i2 x3 x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  y) P( P- c4 S5 n

7 u9 @3 i: V# J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 m5 k" E& j4 v: e9 d9 n- H% j! H

# f- }. n. d# J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 J' S2 Y/ E6 z2 p2 ^, F6 L! J$ e" F

" J' _8 _% a: T# j1 [同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: g1 x& \! ^/ }6 ^.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 ]# l: P4 J4 f" I

- Y* Y0 S' f. L# I# f# fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( Q0 g$ _) s" }" @7 |

( H1 U3 Y+ W1 V& wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.