Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 [9 G% a8 h  L; O0 D7 g, K/ R+ X我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 L% h  Y1 y6 G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% J5 p+ m+ z1 }4 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 @  b+ ]6 _" D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 \# h9 p; u# A5 O  {! e! D0 _4 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* Q- z9 V: l1 w6 e: U

5 E! I, d; q3 K' n/ r, UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ T+ [7 ?8 w! N

' k8 M4 j4 @8 h0 R% N8 `3 }8 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% g9 x; C) F: R  k/ E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ F: D6 A0 D6 @, r& S0 E0 W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# {  H8 }0 P  ?7 E% O0 h% I% r我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ y! e  ?4 Y# }/ m( ]- i+ f
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# x5 I% {- J$ B% T) I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 `2 Y- a6 m4 X+ C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ {1 {1 S3 M) j- d. J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 ]5 K( Q0 C. }# v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 R+ {& A* K! t( B6 B# I, A) t) OWhat a statement we have here?
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. s* [/ `* Y2 RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' p+ X& I- r  q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 f/ T& P" \" v

+ g9 a0 ?! l2 j2 g! e& _% w8 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 _, k7 F1 m8 p) u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ {$ Y4 p" R5 Z* F# W5 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., ~! d# L9 @% t. q0 @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ _3 H$ E* F) `/ d1 b* n/ l: |3 U

8 [1 I( g8 n3 jit's starting because we have sins......
6 B2 v/ \: C" \2 hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  _" [& U: e& gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 X9 v# B& |9 ]) s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ l: _0 T+ x& B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 T4 D' v5 Y5 q* P1 R) @
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 `; M: c0 d7 S1 w1 U如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 C& b. G% k  f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ z+ u7 ^3 o8 Y" [) W* N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ~8 [% X; F( Y& w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 c# c$ w& u9 x& N' g* A8 H
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ [4 M' K* J1 m% x( c1 }  b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ o4 s& s+ Y! i0 G& `; i# \7 S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. t3 i" Y# A# Z2 C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,4 q9 P! x2 \, g" n# K% ]9 P9 m! ?3 s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; v# d$ @2 m$ C, I) o$ n8 C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 T( T+ k" l3 R

* |; p1 X" Q5 S( e9 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 o3 c3 h' y( @7 M+ ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& L4 K. Q! ]+ l5 D.............信耶穌... ...

, b' _3 y% t! t  i' O) C; s8 jRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.