Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, X. x5 I: X$ A/ r" ^( O% o9 n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( C% ?3 A( g& y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" [2 |8 y8 R6 F; V6 E道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 j+ m8 s  }, t8 @, i. U+ ~呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( g3 c: ~, r( ~. {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: l! i; e2 D% C$ Y$ o4 y+ |

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' U: V3 Q+ ^& Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" {* x2 K( b) ?& acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ D6 B  u' s6 s8 K+ W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人- r- t2 C9 W" {1 b' _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 N. u& O) F+ C& X7 ]' }: u% b1 j4 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 s# Q& i7 g4 z+ d) x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 m/ N5 H8 S2 m( n& b1 j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  L/ L* m& N3 R. p9 P: n% Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 @0 f, v4 l, c8 BWhat a statement we have here?
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+ R3 {! t$ P/ a, Q5 {4 v% QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % g9 L9 Y& v' g* a  p  p

2 w3 ~7 y4 G$ c1 K5 H3 g9 D+ ?I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# G& [5 F9 y6 k; F6 T

; v: B9 s/ f, D3 K$ ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, F  d$ ~6 v. x# p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 i& u. ^3 Z7 {"不信也沒損失"
: J* U  w- o- qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 K: {2 S4 b7 N2 M1 Z3 h$ N* R+ G& e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; E  ~0 ?- y0 i' Y: x% B2 ~

# Z8 I% E5 y# o8 W  @) |it's starting because we have sins......6 F) I! N6 p& Q$ y4 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ v, s) f3 h- j5 ~+ pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ k. I. Q8 s, [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, e8 A$ E7 K. t4 @/ X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ _; ?* h8 H- a( i1 j/ G4 r這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. S7 O1 X; X7 Z+ t0 L7 Y$ S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. g- U1 t* W! F3 c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ D- x6 f7 k7 c% p, F* U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* l' S' k; K3 y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( S2 e3 K6 Y5 i/ i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 s8 J2 k1 M7 `4 x$ x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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- X1 e/ N4 h6 [2 l/ j8 b3 @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% H  s  P; D8 g6 X0 q0 ?7 `7 P信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( A* E6 [9 B8 j* g$ @以下是其他人的見解,
! ?) Q& x" |# A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& b+ O4 G* n4 O; q% F! B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 t3 J) }& D3 q8 Y, o

  }0 ~6 F1 {& G+ G; n5 e! O2 k- l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  k+ v' z0 z% [2 O+ o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 w  I/ Y: B" V( S# Z# a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 S( I" c3 l( y; G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 w( }4 Q+ g: {* `+ t" H
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.