Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ q8 K& U5 B; J/ I$ h& T3 `7 I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到% l0 p8 R9 ~2 O# ^  ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% _  p. b- ]9 g( h7 XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 ^1 O% y3 Y. X# h( c# f" j2 t5 V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) q) M* }: D. A5 O, S5 @$ [* l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 i- i6 S7 _8 Z) M; x# Q4 l8 x7 S; ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 \; `) W5 p* V: S% ?% p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ S0 \% a3 c5 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," y7 [1 ]3 t3 ~. ?8 Z* e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, U3 z% G5 B6 m' a9 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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  \  E8 i& n& nWhat a statement we have here?) R8 ~, ]5 f0 P, n9 G
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; p" H4 ?1 n6 h; s
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- C3 L& M0 i& V: A1 h# z5 z# A

% J+ ?# K4 \* b6 bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! w% Q% X2 g+ s# X+ Q3 ~  t: O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: B, a, G, O, c7 K3 @- Z$ Y"不信也沒損失": ~$ t" ]8 H6 X( _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......* D, \; A  `4 C8 C9 g  a: w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# G5 k8 I, \% Z1 v7 Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# {8 A& ^) c: X# c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: l" u; R6 _5 f( Z6 p) r2 l5 o  i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- f+ k+ Q' t0 \; _/ U* \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; @& c% H/ H. R- s. g% f( ~

9 t8 b" \) b- _! R: O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, Q) l1 v2 l) s4 y. y$ [' H. Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  S6 S3 [* D5 \; D2 k. c, e( P. `
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  R- t& _/ w" e) x# G( y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ f: i0 U7 ?8 K" o$ I! u. r- f$ _# B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! X/ Y, j3 @3 c* I2 d' U宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, N3 u7 M3 c) q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; l' v. Z# [& r以下是其他人的見解,9 E/ w" ?( p; U- i% M5 a! Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# o2 C1 Q) Q9 L' u- f/ P
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 {2 q0 J8 f  ^0 B6 f  U; V, h" t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 \8 j1 q, Q! E4 R" V8 c7 ~1 l1 o* }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ w; k5 f& E2 X' `5 ^1 `: Y. K, T  }
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ j$ |  b" ^: w  @5 D) h% B" ~

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....# x, o) J3 I/ a3 f6 k! L* ^1 O; w
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 D/ F$ U0 z; J, S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.