Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ _; s8 D9 {' i, D' A, h$ r6 a$ z- B道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ [& K" L- [% q) d7 h' R呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' l+ C0 J1 Y$ c
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ k) D# z) F/ P3 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. T- Z) {; e' W& \, Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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2 c  |1 q: a0 F& Q* d9 K因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ ]' A9 ]6 X5 B! I7 R' s4 V3 N3 h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, v( `: J% J; A5 p* g5 g6 n) f, Q6 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' O8 ?. e. `6 ]  I; u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ m) E, E: t  y9 i# D% U8 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% t  L, ^( U! @- z

: @' [- p! V0 E" x' d) p' WJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 b! h0 m3 ?  \# p. WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  G4 C' D, b2 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' F& t' g" {0 k0 U4 P- @  ]& E( K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% k8 o6 ^3 J5 M; P% S"不信也沒損失", h" l4 m' @. [3 i7 O; i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 |2 d, b) b6 O- bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 Y! n3 U% B/ J" S3 F$ L

0 K3 V4 R* j4 d& }+ \9 X& c5 I9 w( ]it's starting because we have sins......( C' j# U9 i9 `7 ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 N" o, ^0 G8 e7 j5 X0 N1 Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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0 V2 P/ M$ Y5 V  }0 D! f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( r5 Y/ c( D7 L+ f$ Z4 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ O2 C; e- |0 ]. w4 n# l# `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* m! C/ Y1 ^- G! ]! |7 |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ X6 b7 }- g/ \
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 \4 X9 Q5 E6 o9 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 ], x. [9 Q, F2 X7 n* z# b. f" H, s
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 p1 Q! ?) q! q0 ^" W( q2 M/ l

& ?9 L# l0 W) H4 C4 e& ~- a  {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ B7 H0 u: b! ]% d" J$ N4 {% ^- F  i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" Q, G/ z. a0 }8 R! X, T( R0 N
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以下是其他人的見解,$ ^& k+ i1 D. a) W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ |- H  F1 G$ g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm/ w: V; j% x. N5 C

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* T- |3 }& [9 o

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" w: @2 D2 l+ t1 |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; W; @6 U7 [1 K1 _) Y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 ^0 e  Y! R$ d5 S$ R8 \2 DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.