Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% y+ V( m0 p4 L2 [; H我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% [0 k0 i7 M1 E. L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 @3 \9 |1 D$ @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ b! S0 L! b/ m$ F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 W' `! P$ m) W

5 A1 h" Y- @/ W8 G8 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) @' X8 C- i# S$ }1 D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 P1 c; d' C9 ~2 c- {( [! ?1 Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. [7 r2 u* O3 }' G) ^2 s5 V& Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ e: `9 B, O. w9 P' c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
% |; f( o* u' E9 X4 A1 @4 F0 F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 C2 l8 v+ B  X& x  Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 h# K  r9 a# V0 T. a+ Q: B- V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* X' W- ?& u* b4 B( a. t" @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' I( `5 ^/ g( ]2 C5 JWhat a statement we have here?: [2 x2 b$ r; G$ J/ q0 }

! z& ~2 {+ ]/ I& q% h# K! D; f- DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' M7 I2 N: f1 l8 a. K
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! B5 Y; b, k6 E, D9 O, e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( y) G" X; j* s4 O- x"不信也沒損失"
. d7 d. P4 Q# d" s; BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ d( g7 n& L" R) q; g8 nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: Q" t8 k* h6 a: d: {$ s2 j

! i+ d1 h! Z; m0 j8 M  git's starting because we have sins......
6 \8 ?1 k5 K1 L2 _* e/ Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 d8 z+ I, L  A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# |- R1 b' r9 n4 z* B/ \5 \8 r" \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- y* c5 m+ v7 _$ T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 M8 ~# r. S+ {5 O( f1 Z, m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* R) `0 W" k2 f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# z- o; p3 e+ U8 T5 q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 @4 p6 ]2 Y2 O2 a. }

; P* l; I$ ]# j- D- O, T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 K4 E! u) O" K3 _! g' x. Z3 I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' V( P# j6 Z  P2 H' Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! r  g2 v8 E* C) ?" ~" I, c
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& z8 t) y/ m. u  o6 p4 s  V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 Q: l" x9 a/ E/ v' R* A% s5 {以下是其他人的見解,4 \* {( Q! r. D8 k/ `! ~. y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 ^% M2 i- k' N3 a, w
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ f9 ~% x( _, f' f# ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* h, l; \* N$ b/ j3 U( J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ ]3 j/ v( }& A4 I9 n7 M* g# f

& e8 d1 z( s  @) }- {. W; b% L, u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  k) c$ ?( e2 S( p* U.............信耶穌... ...

# Q4 e$ k6 P4 m" o; M4 Y. wRegarding the resurrection....
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: i( i; \/ S9 e! h4 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 m8 {" E% D: y6 [7 K$ y3 t9 H! NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.