Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! J; ^% w- y& S( h$ ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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2 ^$ W1 ^' p: p. R6 `道理我知道好多只係做吳到' L$ I. y" p8 ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, K' t) ~# V  C: n+ I6 w& INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; A0 b& g# B" _) Y; I. y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 |' z) e- Q! `) t6 E2 h2 z

0 V, c" I+ e5 p/ D6 Y& q7 sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% D; w) r* r: _  Y% B0 P  C) wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 M# n/ [2 ^/ y7 t0 o我只不過微小的基督徒..................., F& j( D7 j8 q6 P
真的!!這不是反話3 V$ t# F/ [' I! k
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ S- x9 ^0 @: V/ ?9 [* D' L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& ^3 l. I, ]8 W6 w- Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 X+ j3 @  _; u
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& l# x; S; k: P& f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 V" h, [: k3 p6 ~: W! d$ e2 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( n3 f5 ^+ w: f* ?3 I6 [8 dWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : A* P* z% `2 \9 {2 q; L3 S: F+ H6 [

. R. ~/ }/ y- `! R4 e2 u. yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ v. M) \; b9 ^+ O- r# ?

+ s# f7 E3 v! B. N" A7 f, n/ pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 ~8 B: W/ A- A( A

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 l' c8 Q8 N( {0 ^/ b! Y& N"不信也沒損失"
; M5 Q: K9 g- P% U! q) wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 w% ?1 H' V8 h, F8 I3 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' D+ }9 Q( j  _' o9 D# Y4 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- T' @1 h. P0 x+ |, W$ J. o$ A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 {: z# ?8 T% v4 n) E0 |- _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) g7 s: V; c0 ^9 h5 Z" J% b2 A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 d" Z8 H; @) B8 Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. |  L$ V5 F9 G美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. }* x" |' N3 [( n) k, N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 _! o) p3 K  {" h4 o$ L信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# h7 B7 H; z0 X2 O0 n以下是其他人的見解,, F  c: @, f0 Y: d8 r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 F: J' }8 o6 J
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 K& ^/ |& n1 ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" _3 b/ u- g" a6 A( ?3 J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' `% \0 M* G3 J+ }  e& }3 x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.