Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 e( \# [6 ?6 L我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 d, b; f9 J  w; T+ W4 E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 y, ?, ~8 [- H8 F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ P' |" Z5 A0 s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 T% ~" U7 U4 ]3 ^7 B$ C2 z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# B$ v" x$ r+ ^; [+ F  h  Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 Z, u1 r# t8 t1 w

! w  _+ u( q2 k  Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  N# d8 S% t* H" M% v7 L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! Q8 N/ [" l7 p! ~, n, _, C, I我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ G1 I8 A( e- ?
真的!!這不是反話
$ V6 h& \( b, I" m1 M8 W+ l因為我是情感比理性強的人, B( }# V* Z( B0 B& X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- u. a) X: @+ k$ f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 G% U+ G- w% t# ^# k) J& T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  s5 d( V" ]# U! @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" w7 `6 Q" f) \7 o+ P3 K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: o+ Y. I- s- D4 c5 g  w

  Q* @% J" U: l; y, F6 g+ RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 v# |0 q6 @  ]5 u6 Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# s/ {3 I6 k  `: S! V6 x

5 F% |$ j% g; M+ mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ A. G3 f/ d/ Q2 Y( M5 d& {! ~3 ^
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 E* N# s5 {, ?( n/ o/ p8 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# \; h. d: [, b; j7 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  s# Q  O, ~9 c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- o7 l. m$ T2 B# _7 y+ |

' J) L' N* p: }0 E* _% _it's starting because we have sins......
. G2 @1 ]  j4 C& r( dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ v6 y" O! R% Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ S; @. v9 q  C( B- y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 n7 Z. |) d4 U/ c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 K7 S3 [, ^. j4 ]$ G) x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" |9 d# ~& y# i1 ~# H1 g5 s- q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& S0 K# z; R$ ~( q$ `+ h# ]( Q, |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ @3 |# u" p3 x2 m

$ u( J# R6 d2 l3 Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 f. a2 r1 F8 K' h# V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 v' a1 ^9 e0 I* C7 \7 [改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- c) d( G# C. S+ P% |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# m- j7 i9 A4 c; J0 U( E2 m" h

3 R: i7 Z* Q5 O; C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: _: W! t7 {1 @% ], R1 s0 B" T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- o& S: `$ p: T8 |9 b+ z2 V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' H" F- k7 [5 j7 X+ [, L7 X
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9 f% C& G& n& \; E7 g[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* o$ O1 a3 v/ V) Y7 R. j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* j& O5 i5 W6 d# ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 F: N' ?) O0 N8 _! q
.............信耶穌... ...

4 Y) L* D& P# kRegarding the resurrection....: n0 l! k% j- z& O+ p

+ I: B% G9 y: C5 ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.