Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  m4 Y! z9 R: R, {+ Y' w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 i9 X' V) ?& |. a3 f6 J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" D3 g% t- ~" S2 t: b9 l道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 P3 Q; s0 |6 g7 ?& q/ k3 x% k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% I. U, D3 t, S+ d6 lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ `* r0 ?2 x3 k' m: ~; S# S6 N8 z( J% i

9 ]% _  C- L  w' G- _3 O5 Z. wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" Y- G9 `7 R( h8 {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... X  P& A/ `3 K! e% ~2 J# n3 q

9 @8 w: h( Q0 n& l! ~0 m* estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ `" o- `5 y1 u0 Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 L6 R/ R* _/ E4 v$ l4 q我只不過微小的基督徒...................% P$ Z- X9 l- {( f$ j8 [
真的!!這不是反話; ~' V' [- H, o3 j: z
因為我是情感比理性強的人- L4 y/ `& a" U5 }* K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& K3 j* Z% ~- D' M! [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 q6 q# e& z* S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 N6 U4 C1 Z, K0 \0 ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) f6 L  ?$ F+ V, n5 b# ~4 ~% W: ~

; V6 }& U9 |. x3 y1 u7 eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) i; b" h- P0 M3 n* X! `/ M, oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 X' x; n# M0 a: ]  y6 c1 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% B$ s/ D; Q7 z9 n- k% e

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+ G% w; D# @6 ?) T" y[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"% y& W3 q- r; Z$ c3 V3 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ p7 v  F$ j* W1 @" O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 u; b" X8 ?- A9 w, Y0 ]/ r& [( |

9 P; i' _* C  J) N) b' m) }& c4 Zit's starting because we have sins......
1 P. J/ H7 X/ @0 G$ X3 M2 y6 a$ Q. a0 psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 J1 x9 h% K. }" Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 l; L+ O3 P, A3 e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 q% B  F7 ~* i8 @% [8 m4 b9 |3 m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& W; `5 U2 c+ @4 _9 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 D( r. J( h0 `% Y5 O& w  w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* u3 J% Z" M% Y$ m+ {1 g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) z/ P( @: e. s' K0 A
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 G  z" q# ]5 x( M9 E/ O5 m1 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 s; W7 ~. h7 q. K. D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; y7 p* @& W0 ^: B, k# K2 j! W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., T& x1 P1 E: [: F
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 r# F5 n# O7 G- Z. G) J# g) s( r
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  e% ?2 o$ T9 h* k  [# O5 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: r' _! u8 n3 ~1 s

% }( ]7 B$ O8 D& f以下是其他人的見解," @' q' C! l# G5 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 @  ^8 T% [" U
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% ~" d9 R4 Y% \! ]9 j. j
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! W- f5 n- S" _  O9 B1 y

) T1 H% ^% g' Y0 ^$ OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.