Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 D/ V* ]6 A. J7 p* `道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( }8 y; u2 h1 b3 m$ R4 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, z. P8 F7 z. QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) J( ^  I9 T) Z( T4 g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 t- B6 B3 O+ r, O* u  H& K

2 i. t. t: d! B9 c) ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ E# S, T9 o) w9 W; ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ _' V% f; C& F( ]1 I& S" [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 Z7 z9 Q& s, Z/ W真的!!這不是反話
7 @: j( P% r$ [5 Y# V" z因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 R5 [* A# v5 e. S6 X9 V所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  i0 ~0 g) r' y" H% H4 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) K$ G# C& [' o2 e7 ?6 E# C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... J. a, l3 ^% [. E" n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ v* i  s& w8 m- j8 v# a7 m+ [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 R2 `$ q2 U0 B# ~1 z4 _What a statement we have here?# [) l: v  L- O5 t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 @! Z! s+ y- V0 _$ e

0 [9 T3 c, d9 E+ @8 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: m6 q" f. }/ X1 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- K. C* a$ S8 f/ k; U5 H1 |

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' R2 S8 U! \( W6 M3 ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 Q7 Y# G2 p* L9 Y"不信也沒損失") B7 i% ^( r3 Y1 N/ C. y4 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% L/ V& o2 r$ a6 H  b4 s  Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: _4 m: z2 y" U$ n

; L$ k2 L1 A" y, b0 t: |0 y9 a5 @it's starting because we have sins......( w7 ^; \/ X% V) N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 g+ }& K5 K- c" F: I# w. x# V( j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 p5 _( u& m  V1 m/ M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  V% r( C" F2 U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* y& B/ ~3 V0 _$ t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ ^' U0 M) \% c9 `4 ^+ C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 Q" e4 s, B. p/ J4 _+ \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. }/ F2 L3 D' q; ^: `6 O. }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 T3 p& B: e$ c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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  A$ r6 N. m" Z% B' M) Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* B+ z" Y# A; v3 s# p3 y1 F& W

: R! b# ~8 n) ~2 {$ E; y$ Q; e& p; q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' N& o, r0 E! A' b- y: W% f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  F9 X' Q( ~+ `) e! b9 X以下是其他人的見解,4 T7 v: [: X6 p1 z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: N; j( w1 n! Y& `) M& A9 `/ S

' A! \/ ], ]) X: w- l5 x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 w* j, H% W8 ^0 \) h6 E5 u9 L, N- ~% K

) u* ^1 c; P/ ~7 P# y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 M4 u3 W7 b9 P

" @, k3 X% B# }9 k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 o7 O" z" R2 x6 }.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) D, m; q9 e- _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' G9 a$ _/ Q) t9 ]0 s) {$ f
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.