Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: W* @; [- Z" z; g- O  g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ c  `, B% H& {9 \1 W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) t1 j# Z0 K* S道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 I) [1 A; k( j9 A/ q, ]呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) l7 S' C, g4 E6 ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& ^; ^' L$ n) R1 T4 zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 M0 F" T3 E4 b6 C: T& r& Y. U! J
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 T# c, P- `9 p3 Q5 l9 M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 y; @. [. m; n$ e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 D, p+ g/ q7 @2 [, t* C真的!!這不是反話
( v" o6 Z3 I$ W5 p# y: ~因為我是情感比理性強的人0 D$ s7 N, r- Q5 u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# G0 I: a+ [1 l5 O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  R( |/ q9 K, k& m/ C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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1 O& u% \0 `/ L9 m6 A$ XWhat a statement we have here?
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' @, I3 C& U& b  c1 X! _3 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * @: G9 S. c) f' l: H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* V% i; x% D1 u* z  v

$ y; t6 T. ?( b/ x  _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  ^! Q" z7 L# t3 F' H& t; w  H% g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) m" G; s0 d/ u) b"不信也沒損失"0 O! O" F$ d: J! M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& l) [# Y5 s4 f0 {1 k4 [# I% M. Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! l, R, e5 b+ Y- cit's starting because we have sins......
2 X7 Y# I- I; ^1 Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( _' \9 C0 y3 c& g  F8 ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% k2 A* H& V6 Q4 `# Y# L& l# K% Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# K- p5 d0 ]- O( T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 A& i8 A4 Z( f. n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. M/ E$ a. i/ z. `" J: D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; h8 H* z' k# `1 P4 ]$ r5 ]

/ e) v2 i4 y  l6 _$ K9 }2 B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 P1 a1 g. X( C3 U8 q" J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 M+ o% B: p  a4 H8 R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ M4 T! X: E. l6 k, g

3 j0 S- ^/ }( w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 K% x# G' D, ^信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
' ]4 c5 `7 {# {3 H+ \- r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. P  Q+ l0 @& O- J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. }2 s5 I" {5 i+ \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  h2 K8 F8 O$ o7 H
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: M$ @- ?  O3 A6 k.............信耶穌... ...

" x3 Y5 T+ K" q; Y% \) ORegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; H: H& j. G1 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.