Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 Q8 B% c# d, T. i- ^- s# J! d我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 {+ e) I/ l# _2 U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; h2 b- ^8 I6 I3 E" u% G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 k- [4 r2 k1 K  u0 J% r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) B! Z& s9 t; {2 J' hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" [9 `0 e7 d8 _! B4 U- w

9 Z( Y# x4 C% ?2 V- XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 a$ C9 I  [) N. n8 v

" s$ V" f9 X1 j; x3 }  Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 `, `: M6 }# v, O$ {& R

9 j2 V; k7 O' l8 Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 A; I& I' G  E. y. C% P7 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' e! z' L- b0 @: ~- n4 h7 m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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& h6 |3 y& |: [" Z- @' P- A因為我是情感比理性強的人1 j7 b5 x7 R. P( Z; B, p1 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ ~6 v* }; H9 H, w% `- r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 L: [9 a3 r. N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  u( Y) O" T) _; a5 J" Z' f* F& S2 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 Q) g8 D0 s0 Y( [9 j, ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' J* ?4 d7 H' n8 V; k

6 Q* B) F2 o9 x3 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 S. X$ `: \7 `) d

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' N3 l2 ^, K1 @  m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 Q1 s2 k2 j  w"不信也沒損失"
  y+ w* Q: y6 _# M# }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: S' v' ]0 N+ m& L6 Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
* E$ c! T5 S4 @/ f* l1 osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* Z( s+ O- Y: k$ Y3 ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ r( {% x$ \( I  u- X9 z& G8 ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( e$ e- S3 F; W/ O% j7 I7 P8 A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 V9 H( N& {) M  V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ k3 j2 |# u9 A( W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% F: \3 ]+ b/ a  |) u3 {! x* K& a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% G* ?& N6 t0 Y/ K2 ?

. e4 ]3 X; i8 @. d7 w, }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# y; c* I( L) O. o! u# X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. A# m& m" P  e, w7 |. r

8 H) a5 H- P. t/ p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, |2 _! V7 V* l& a3 a8 N2 Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# K  v# E5 |. D$ `1 X1 ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 T5 v6 W; p. R. ?6 X$ ]

8 k/ K7 K; D! }: C% v宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# b1 }' M/ u: q) ^+ w

0 r  h( k" r  b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& s& |" F$ R) r4 ]; N3 p! z* q& j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) _9 i% H7 |( ]+ c. \
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以下是其他人的見解,
( z- R" ?+ K$ \/ u( M& n- H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
* Y; U! {; v5 `; p* B% f: [http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 f% W4 \6 q. t. U+ |

9 O& t# z  q3 a# k. A" d; R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; B7 ^3 h+ G0 o  C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# u* p  }* T+ }; _4 k- @; E6 T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ o* v  D" D9 M. e

  q( b& P+ C5 p) d' k9 Z$ P; z: aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 b# J2 Q& G2 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.