Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. z# G, y& ~( O& y" `3 Y+ t我係一個連自己都吳信的人  @9 m. y/ I, N+ C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( h3 G7 O" d: [3 D) ?) b道理我知道好多只係做吳到- a' `  {( P9 R  t: \4 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 Z) V; ^, L4 i( c& G" cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- }- }  |& x. F  x- P. P

# n7 x8 g0 E; T9 `5 r; O. vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! w+ }! E' u4 T: Z# }

' F9 O7 C- U$ {( smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ ~6 x' ?; z2 j+ i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 g6 c( f9 H- @6 Z8 X, K3 U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  W% c8 ?5 f" V; j( [3 n
真的!!這不是反話
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: T5 o3 ?% B" k% K所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' b5 N9 q. B, k* e9 K0 o0 [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' D  g: N( B! F$ @- i& S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: O) z" }0 k0 g3 u- Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  n  I3 a" F  |& d% b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 K7 h  A/ w" OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." V8 F3 r; v4 K: S, r3 r7 m/ A

4 z7 a  z" A, M4 @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* S( ^2 A" W* }% C, n

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: w( }3 d- O7 k  e$ H[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( k( T' x# d. i% o; N9 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" C. S: P0 \- ~: y) E6 b( d: JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... K; J% ?  O6 F6 f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., N2 K4 f4 X" X6 p; M- M" Y" m
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, g+ r! o$ U( \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ ]: ?6 k2 w# L3 ]+ _+ E4 l& M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. \7 {5 r# t1 T0 r1 m0 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 N( p" D# B6 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; E+ B$ d2 R$ g4 l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. G9 C. `1 Q: x# K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: f! x% r, i6 H. M  N/ k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 }5 j+ E5 t$ E9 p; {
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# p/ w: y0 B/ b8 j1 A! O

* ?5 O1 P5 E3 d& d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 X% {1 L$ _, r7 f- c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ i- d# S; z: Y6 }/ x* G以下是其他人的見解,/ |! O; f$ d4 p) Z  v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 O# g: l9 T" [& z: P$ h3 e* k/ g
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& Q3 k) [0 Z( y2 T( i

$ q* S, l: v# F  e) _* |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 o0 h0 P5 |5 X. s1 m$ P

2 G* L6 z) n- p& H/ r+ c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 O0 r* w% V; {$ k# S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." H; Y: a# ^4 e  z) j" V: g

( i* H- c. W/ p1 ^  i8 }- I. dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.