Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- |) S6 Q9 l- @4 V. a% J2 Y% P  _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- m/ i& S8 [; R! L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 }2 U5 G6 G, e% ^" @1 t$ U/ F道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 E; a1 p5 ~- g7 t5 s, {, m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) b% B& Z. Y- Z  G7 A" n/ }

3 h' F* ~: l( T/ z& zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  C) B2 ]: C6 t: R0 g3 q3 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# Z; G) z' R- V, X2 H* ?2 v

" B& n7 k/ t8 m0 A# T" Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ w. q' ^3 [8 }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 }9 }$ G0 D+ B# }$ q3 p我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 E2 h: ]8 J0 h1 D& a真的!!這不是反話
1 S2 F) `0 i* F. M$ g6 q4 D. C( P$ v: e因為我是情感比理性強的人/ \3 V7 K' Q0 M" ^/ b- q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 i7 u4 {3 K" p! y8 S$ Z9 C/ ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 F, r  L5 p: c( C4 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, B' r( J5 V* h* B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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" s3 P+ ?& G# qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ K' o" c9 G1 V- A7 O& ~

) N+ O( Y6 P" I- ]4 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* w  k! N5 P! M' o. y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ ^3 N; ~, K" R5 \: H. {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ L" J( @/ P& E( a* tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 i- E0 k* |- s: g$ ]( b6 w

0 L1 A: l' }' S$ xit's starting because we have sins......
0 `" n" V$ I4 Q4 ~0 d3 Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% t7 d7 m+ u3 c- `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 ^0 H# ~$ ~4 y" B! E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 b* d, W; e3 i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 Q& Y: A( e) H" r4 {% y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ ?7 G' D3 d6 j3 \% z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. P# @$ M; @+ _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. t- H; {! n% N1 }' a- h! P' f' B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 Z; v6 p! T6 j3 b2 @! O1 c# }& R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! X2 b/ O2 J: I$ B2 x7 i

9 V/ M# t, }# u; `  U# E0 |8 `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# S. z" Y3 r. Q: L改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ V! x* @8 W2 Z( r* `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 D' ^0 u9 K6 w! I. W  t$ m

9 r2 O3 i1 I" H: A  D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: V1 M# I5 M- \2 F  ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 U9 q* S5 l, \' E; N2 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 |* G4 H1 v) j" b6 d" W9 p
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以下是其他人的見解,6 a2 ?6 ~2 i3 |# L' T
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" a, K9 s( h9 j

9 ^; e4 H5 w7 u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ^( I. P5 J) A' f

" v  ^3 y6 \6 Z7 [# F同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 s& H' k0 r: F1 n3 [5 [.............信耶穌... ...

: X- u  F- \; {3 `* @6 [Regarding the resurrection....# @: z! l# H0 N- m, b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' n+ d5 V2 O5 O% N& `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.