Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 ~3 J/ m0 C7 [2 ?2 }1 D. a我係一個連自己都吳信的人# u8 h% Q2 q1 i  Q. X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 @& Y4 g. `+ P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 n' ^4 B4 O8 Y1 p6 Y: x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; ^9 i! v! m+ _) F% S  u' {4 |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ ?6 |) v+ X' F9 D& U

- E- @  R! I5 Y3 x, v' xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 b& ?& H) Z3 R4 Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ r5 D9 p4 w- `& I% l, P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 d) j9 G1 K' N, _/ Z8 {0 _
真的!!這不是反話! Z6 Y6 P3 d+ i% c* Z! ]/ k( h
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 M$ i8 K: J% I4 v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 |/ {9 @! ]2 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ B9 ?9 d# e3 W# R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; Y4 A: M+ r- G5 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' g1 I4 z( X! O- OWhat a statement we have here?
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9 P/ U. C2 B6 y9 hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 s. Z6 B' t" p  c. t, y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ ?" i% U; g4 D( Q8 J6 j0 ]

2 v9 c4 Y0 j* {9 }- z0 c  eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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! j% {2 v5 {" m& r/ o"不信也沒損失"
! C' j5 U1 I. G! a6 v* w8 T) VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. r- K- E* b! X: f% X" mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 w- l9 L4 j  ]: b
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it's starting because we have sins......
" @+ j+ }3 K- Z5 C1 Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & `  m9 V5 P0 x& s6 Y. m1 Y; I0 f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 r. [4 L  K8 Y, L0 u& [: I9 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 s) K& g4 ]9 ~( @* c2 M

8 q  }( i$ x; W1 q2 j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! X$ w9 U1 z' P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& [5 h1 L$ g" v/ b
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 J4 q/ V! C4 \3 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- `: {+ n  `: F9 H% E/ r0 M* c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) h- M+ F9 `+ Y. B4 Q! [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: J  ?# `7 Y! X5 S. I以下是其他人的見解,
( o2 m: I& B5 t4 c# P- O看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' P7 z6 T; G' B' D
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, _% l) g& q- {4 o  w$ t3 A

8 _0 w" p9 i  B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ \0 f, ~" d* z' x9 n4 w

4 G$ w& o3 x0 V1 v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' ^4 r/ ?' X. V* u7 y( ~

: [0 l1 A5 g2 _  d: Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 f9 \) s, s) {. X7 l3 c
.............信耶穌... ...

' b, W, x; W* x% r! I$ F0 ]& k; QRegarding the resurrection....3 [1 Z6 b% e+ s" y
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+ x$ V( n5 `! e& {/ o) T1 `: xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.