Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) F( F! @5 E3 W1 _) ^* X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, K0 x% g8 W9 s6 j4 Q$ H7 ?; p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- z+ F: J0 }* e, v1 a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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% E& x2 R' g4 F3 u+ FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& z4 r# P4 e0 d: }8 F3 u0 U% W" SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- U) {' U& j8 q  x: o  v2 }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話. q, b7 ]3 {# p9 {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 C8 W& `! v" y: N# J3 l" Q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- o0 |, r( ]3 J, ?' \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! g* y" Y" T8 @% y( @  i" h! Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 v/ P8 p: v. B# A2 q, c
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; ]0 o# i$ I) T6 h7 tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% O& x# ~! B& h, B/ S' s4 z* p% C
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) w& V. {# Q! R5 D: q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ v# U4 _4 f0 y  W4 C) WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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0 s5 l/ `4 G9 L5 S1 L' Xit's starting because we have sins......3 d8 d  O8 T1 M7 C6 D+ b. J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 A3 r- L" F  F9 H9 |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ y8 z0 T' s4 K# R. b3 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! o9 C: b! _- n! s& z6 W; e6 E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* m7 D- D7 e/ S; y' }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  u* j( A: D$ M" R2 n2 Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 ~! z+ k! D4 ^' Y0 l5 }$ @% }2 p
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! {6 s8 j. i, g4 Q6 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; s( Z+ |0 H' {& S5 s  u. ^5 Y8 N

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, r* v7 T8 `% S: O1 o4 n5 n+ x2 M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 f1 G1 j/ S- V0 Q' A  m9 ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,5 O. h# h( \4 a2 F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 g& a5 L6 O2 U2 w1 q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  j( g1 i/ w0 v) a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" h8 k  y- E7 ~  i( l4 ?! `

: N) D$ D5 f/ K6 v: s. ]- W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 S# S- n8 b9 \0 [) ^.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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. w. L2 L, J5 |$ |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 V" `6 b& W3 m% W' B- eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.