Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 H2 a5 U, x/ H# i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 V& _, x+ ~- z, t; Z% W0 C/ r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: X$ O3 N" A* a% r
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 ]$ a9 J. `  W. v6 e$ Z9 }呢D就係做人的悲哀

0 F8 {6 [% C3 ^/ Z4 ]9 R. s* q" O" W$ T2 m: y$ V4 w
Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. [4 l/ ^8 e0 Z6 a8 @5 N4 i7 L( Y
% o$ l, p9 s# p, ^7 w6 \6 Y
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* l9 B" `5 T0 q& v6 O, ~* f
; V+ u: x% A. G3 }
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
9 j. ~% Y9 i: B# ~" A- g1 s& A* H7 j5 [# G  S
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! c* C/ k/ Q+ I8 k. K5 ]( w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 E9 m, A' S# t) y# j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 v/ [1 D. O' s. r3 Q0 F真的!!這不是反話
( k1 K4 j$ ~# u( M4 p因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 w5 U9 W) K& \: c& o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( f( |; c& g/ F/ `6 s; T, _$ x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ k% Q$ v: W, s7 u2 @* r0 W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
; }5 b5 }0 g& N正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 D' S2 Z# b5 ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

  n2 I/ @" P+ p8 t; I0 e6 Y, m# t0 H* {5 r
What a statement we have here?
2 I% |: z. u% n9 B& @1 w) \) z0 w1 D* j$ R) L5 W
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . \4 d/ c* q  i  }& D9 Z! ]+ W
9 P9 \! i+ h4 u0 w# D( I+ Y& Z
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
6 Q3 H. A) k' q3 @
- a8 P/ n0 s7 H" `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
1 `6 e0 ^# D% w6 A
6 a6 }. _) }% F:cool:: ~, t( p% W1 X; I8 M' n

! ~! e8 K  }' d[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! I( P4 i4 |# p  @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

. E6 ^6 A! j" |2 Q3 x4 J. Y: d
2 `4 q: p5 ^- o"不信也沒損失"0 l( f6 c6 A* @3 @7 X3 T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) I, O% H- k* a/ Q, M; i3 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
  C# X0 d4 a8 R7 D) t6 G" W* R+ C" e' ^+ v
it's starting because we have sins......* p& F" Q0 B+ P( E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" i5 ]" _# U+ E# d# p- Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* I5 G$ e- l  |& [) C只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 f" P& p$ b$ b+ ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 N% U4 u9 v  V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) e- g( A* R; C+ F& c9 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 W( W- C4 k' {' H' P/ S0 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
4 ]8 U3 R+ ~/ H2 p' a" |% S8 p
' j+ w& M& Y+ V' F2 r* J9 e6 W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" J) S2 ?% D4 I; r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  ?8 F8 ~* j! l# ?* f7 |
' h5 s& ?0 U* ^
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ [# D( }! T; N: F' f9 x8 V! x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" e+ D* \- K: _: m4 W1 o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 T( e# D) B1 ~. E
7 G9 }/ q# W8 v  R* L3 j7 R8 d7 z
宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 w1 D1 P" i- T5 z1 ]( t3 |
; i5 T: j: N/ F9 J! K
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," a6 v1 M7 l3 L, K/ i; T+ q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
6 }8 ^  m) o8 t7 ^7 z- c# p
4 j' ^0 |4 v  p以下是其他人的見解,
* X( h( |2 ^. |) d% N0 y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
* M* E$ F: P2 P5 E8 ohttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
2 i- _* F) C4 w0 h5 E
# i% }5 l9 C, ^& N- X9 S0 [[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 v, \2 K$ \5 o& ~' ]

8 @7 {  U% h8 R- |1 j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% U/ i; O8 K: I) D

4 O8 C3 Y4 O7 D& E- T不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
5 G" H8 r$ x: J
8 P  J; b# j0 x8 O4 x: f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
4 S4 |0 P: ?5 q1 R2 |- w, W9 x, G9 t# E% a, L8 s2 Y" u
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- Q, P* E0 o3 W- ^0 f% U. C; w.............信耶穌... ...

" x  h9 z# c2 y0 T! u9 Q6 _
Regarding the resurrection....1 m1 v8 N2 W) c) q; e

0 b8 s4 m1 B3 _, z5 ~% R- v2 }9 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( B/ P4 g& j! Y$ d

* f) v) S  d* a; h- V3 b8 V; EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.