Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ E( _% k, [- p* y( ?; g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 i) j7 ~$ `, p3 e& z/ J6 J% i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, p# ?" G+ a, M/ h/ {道理我知道好多只係做吳到) V$ f- ^' j; b6 a- P1 ^( l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 w) u+ H7 ~6 M2 [& z" e5 T! s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; y# ^. e+ {. ?7 F5 J1 M( _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( i* f2 F: i) w/ R# n真的!!這不是反話4 `3 q# {/ ?6 {* I  Q! A
因為我是情感比理性強的人- E  L  F8 Y+ X, E0 X4 s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 z  |: J$ l8 r2 @% }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  V- F! B" @! x% j! I! o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 U' x: a! z8 D8 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* ?2 I( W5 Z+ ~What a statement we have here?- i" w( o+ y: A6 h# E  K. N( J

- S5 w' |; g6 d1 ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 s: V- Y% D7 F& \5 y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 \! `3 {/ L1 Y( w7 j/ k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" O$ A& d/ U- [5 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ~, `! U: o- L9 Y$ K"不信也沒損失"4 D4 `. t- V4 q% S, v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 U2 O& v, t4 x2 h4 P2 r; {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 k4 _7 M! E$ B- E* l) Wit's starting because we have sins......9 A; c& I* }' Q% B" h% W) ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' T  x  p/ K- qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" l2 F7 C4 S6 m- P* c- _$ B3 K% ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 U2 _8 e7 J+ Y+ ^) Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) d( f7 r! T% q: P1 `  M; V9 |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& N. j/ {7 d- {: ?- u# u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* l* E$ c* \9 @  k7 c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- j! L& M  e) C- _  I

0 ?( X/ z# V( i2 p4 W: ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! F; _- Z( F8 T$ A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  e, c+ ]) G( z/ M: D% y0 k3 h

# ]+ {! [! h) w2 ~3 k0 f  s7 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," A6 b9 Z: `' K* z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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# F9 M1 E" N* ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 G, z6 U0 R, d* B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" c2 p4 R; o  F9 d, }( H2 t; k* I7 a

2 y+ G/ Y- ~7 U# {, _  k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; Z1 S9 f# m3 j2 q4 c2 Q3 D4 G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% I; p: K4 I  ~6 i' Q7 n
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 J4 X+ e6 f3 ~( c! ]& ^
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 J2 m, a# v1 L1 VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: m6 U$ c8 K5 n6 ]- y5 S9 l5 k" ?

0 Z( P4 a$ V4 I8 [: XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.