Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 \: f/ Q6 G& r; c: W# W8 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人' n# R) H8 K3 D$ L2 V- ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  B5 A* E( h- T, K6 N/ U9 Q3 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( \7 Y  v/ l: ]! k; r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, E. O- X$ J; S$ \1 \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: Y' d# g9 ?: }' V

; M* U) k9 f" o1 a6 @0 r5 hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  I1 z6 v0 w, E! y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) y& c- \+ q5 H3 U, R3 ]7 G) a8 L" }

, O9 _" p2 k* @" [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, ^* W) e) w5 T, h: F4 m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 c8 K' {) O0 y, }" U6 C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ |$ \  G" X  X0 b4 x& q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 ]$ |! s: _2 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 s2 b0 D2 {" O4 U! J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- p8 N  m5 C# z' gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" G% g( W5 P* V# M# D) W1 Y$ y  J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ n) A4 U3 ^5 z" j5 P  b7 E) b"不信也沒損失"
' S1 s* x2 T: U5 u$ z* v. vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 J. l+ I" Y: X  ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 I5 ?' c6 P* R1 |$ h/ O
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it's starting because we have sins......5 B9 f) g, j+ l4 v1 @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 }# t( L+ L' N* f) j" g: u7 I3 Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
) `# Q3 r. ?; v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ D- u3 R( l- D" p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 U; B, u: w0 n* R( P5 H# E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. k4 V& S6 S$ ^, x% `" B4 Y* ]8 n  v. H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 |3 I5 q* e, c8 l3 M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( ]* {% `: S6 o4 b" w  f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 C/ M# M5 ~7 u& B4 o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  i7 \! ^; H4 A  g( q5 [. T1 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 }; f% w( Y, I5 w" U8 @2 W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ @) S" H6 H, Y9 q; }
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- u! ]5 j: r! l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 I/ q0 a+ [& I; L3 K$ S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
+ u/ T' y8 X0 W. z" S: P* p5 g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 I" {) s, E- T9 D) t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! b" {) H; _+ D3 a& [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" l5 L' c$ J, l3 _1 C' m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 t" i  @1 {3 t5 _& }
.............信耶穌... ...

# V7 J. [; f0 f9 g% ^9 URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.