Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- u9 c# z+ j; {/ f! t' N- s2 F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ }: }' ]0 ~# E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& \, r, `8 T2 a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- m( N( K9 E% w2 ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, Q1 L; ?3 G: C& pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 p3 i# m, d; W7 \, ]2 h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 k( j; f% N& X) i  \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 [, [9 V5 v' P: LWhat a statement we have here?
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4 j9 e* B! H' V6 VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) v9 a- \* X% d! M( E0 N: W( A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ S/ E0 d* a0 I4 [: T' x; ?% P" d% @

( W% R! K8 J4 Z3 w$ h& rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 D  }: j0 L( \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% j! K5 F- H" M% N9 [3 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ e5 [9 Z" \2 ]' u( cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 b" z& v6 N: j- I
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it's starting because we have sins......8 v- N/ I6 @& o' S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' ~* d: o* q+ _6 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", t) S. L! x7 [$ r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: [: t& I: E8 }6 N2 s2 ^  K2 v+ h5 y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% W' I, I3 d  @! X) E4 v2 d

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* h0 ^/ k- \1 b1 v& T2 ^以下是其他人的見解,+ ?/ q8 G5 L, l, d" m+ w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" ?' j6 {. V7 Q" m/ F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 c  H0 B+ \* {

% K5 |7 _( W( z9 {+ ~. ^& y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: s. ~0 }" p6 z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 h; T+ |+ q1 l( _# s.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& E9 q* d7 i; b

: X( n" d9 g4 q8 C# }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# Q' j0 {; P3 u, E, I# y

; N- W9 o( e% J& C1 RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.