Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) L, P% ]# N% G9 r& I9 B我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ Q8 [* d# ^7 m9 E- V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 E+ g) B+ j& m9 k# H8 V, K' G! e道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ c, q- m, x4 [" O# t6 D* w6 o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 V4 Y' D8 r- i* i5 N' r

) F6 i9 a: w, j6 HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., X. f- z9 Y; \2 O6 H, k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 ]! ~  d( C9 Z1 [

' a7 x9 R* C6 f0 L9 C# m4 y5 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 K/ n9 X$ z1 P' t# f; m' V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, _7 N8 u- Y9 A8 Y- Z3 r/ V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 ]4 Q+ L8 U0 v  y1 m真的!!這不是反話
9 H: N" t: j1 P' C6 Q. G9 Q6 T" @因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 C- ~5 }. ]% L, P( L2 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% q% z, b7 i3 c# g) O9 }8 B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# g' N; X$ c" j' ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 J% Z2 b3 ^7 {6 ]# n/ wWhat a statement we have here?1 j7 T' l# k; p
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) {, I. ^) z7 Y/ |7 [. K2 t/ j& s# B
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" u: k! v8 b+ @9 x
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 Z5 `; z  i" Z1 Q' N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 U1 |/ f5 U& L7 G+ n"不信也沒損失"
2 A, J' ?" v6 G& v. h: R& K+ x7 jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 `( d4 {2 ?7 T% V5 P2 ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 \1 `2 Y$ C0 q* `: u
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 W- H3 D0 _* W+ _  X* A0 w. p. C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 Q+ b. U  y8 n* v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 g% e4 ?4 I% R. m, L  R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  H: r' `$ T! n% F
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 P$ y8 Y) A. K5 @6 `$ ^* I, u- R. l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 U% T; F% B- T" J( u2 ~- @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ ]3 k/ G$ }4 p% A6 @7 `改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 n; L) y* R' Q, {5 z. o& J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 l2 x6 j0 D6 y# v6 e$ E

" E# W$ E  i& q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 I( ^! P3 O3 S4 f; g$ e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: d  N/ y, `2 r( m) ?6 ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ a) q5 w1 P; E% I: w! S以下是其他人的見解,& q( T) Z, m# s3 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" Z  X# [0 K9 C9 V, ?* m
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 a1 T1 P- G) Z& p8 M' j
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ p4 ?, u" P( @& v/ Z0 k! h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ K# a. M9 n8 }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 @. {: m4 S. N# [- x.............信耶穌... ...

- L" |5 z5 c/ G9 aRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 {# P7 t) m. |; t- TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.