Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% s! n: `$ I( j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ p  [% z9 M1 u3 ]+ A2 C3 B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" T% r2 Y7 c5 `7 t1 N, {. I' V' Y1 _道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 h% Y7 \0 U$ N; [* ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 K/ T( D/ b* Y% l: T
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 c! Y8 q, r' r0 @# p3 `

- u4 t8 C1 o% P/ W6 y$ [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! S* H3 v) N9 i( b: u6 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 N& ^6 M: `  l1 X, K+ Q6 n/ f# K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 ?2 S" N! d7 C' Y+ F& B
真的!!這不是反話4 J/ a1 d% a' A( r4 O: F* c
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 e6 L2 O( K5 P: D4 [3 a" s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 G/ B* r% [( [: `0 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: S) v. D3 I3 u# d. S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" ^: z5 x  g  o. ?/ b0 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' w- j! K& i. r  ?/ AWhat a statement we have here?
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: p$ d$ L; s, s; Q$ r3 J4 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 N3 m, z* O% d! h

3 x- T0 ]" B, F+ X  tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ n$ \" u1 ^1 [! g  O5 xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- a# l! ?+ Q9 {. ]1 P% B  ~( }
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& X7 A4 Y2 t8 f: }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 C+ f! {' d( z1 u"不信也沒損失"
8 ?6 _) _/ z6 q$ {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& H' m- X6 _* q1 v) nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 v, l+ S* h! @  W; f

$ F9 e8 a9 w0 e, R# ~it's starting because we have sins....... a" b5 r0 b+ m& D' N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + j! |* ?* L6 l% @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 D* A, \. e7 o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ n9 H* c  L$ D- {, f6 N# ?/ _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ I* `  b. r: O2 l- W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% Q' C( ]( O' l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 p( z6 Q) C4 Q2 X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! Y3 {3 c, q7 g$ t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) [& |) @! |! w3 ], |& I5 f* _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, z( E1 W  M0 j& z- h9 r" T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' D8 J' U5 z5 q& b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 X1 M9 }4 @3 W

% w+ A( B5 T: l& {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ a( A  S- l, u7 W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  K  A/ ^7 z* a( Y$ J以下是其他人的見解,6 h/ t+ v( K3 \5 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! ^; {5 M: M7 E& B% U% W2 z: T' Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! _+ u- L' A& [0 r; A% [4 ]$ \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! \9 Q/ H2 T2 S
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 q: Q% [; \5 G# b2 j; A  |; h# `# [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' Z' s7 m; I  ~
.............信耶穌... ...

! _3 J; A% y1 \& d  m+ C8 }! H( w8 sRegarding the resurrection..../ S8 V& }' {! d7 n! Z$ O: i

9 I  {, Z; n7 e7 G3 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 b' b- a/ e" D7 u$ n+ H' d

+ z8 g( ?) Q: H: L0 Q% F" \' _7 ?! yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.