Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: @2 i* N4 F1 h  n5 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  e( G  [! ?. \% T9 b- }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" W; p  J$ d) ~* R1 a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  o2 O& |. j' ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: @3 l- k1 X) D, ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' B: k7 A, l2 n7 _1 `0 q6 emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# H; }+ d9 r4 M+ s0 b

7 o. o0 p9 M' \' i% ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ M  V/ r* m# T4 `8 I' s4 e, _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. j" P2 {6 M& T& G4 m4 a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  w' P' G2 U. M8 N( b3 }7 I  j* Y真的!!這不是反話
& y  l2 h: X+ E2 G# J因為我是情感比理性強的人: \* d5 u# C  u, Y! Q& t7 A) k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 O7 O, ~$ N; o9 m4 o, o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 C" P! k6 \1 {8 D3 M# O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 T4 W, @) c! _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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; [! E1 c, F1 a4 S  n  W! wWhat a statement we have here?& w& h. p" \  G$ Q1 R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   O) E: j- t  u- y; L" }0 Q* {4 ]% b. v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 @/ F6 F2 p; G$ F& a+ z: r/ O
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; F: Q" A! O" a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ E; ^, R8 B! w1 [1 x$ |, S) qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 |7 x1 R8 c8 F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." y0 F/ p  ]/ p/ g

# j$ X9 F0 \# n4 M6 s  xit's starting because we have sins......
& L6 D6 a" T# {3 d% R, Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 U) T1 g& x8 L7 nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; }$ q/ V. T8 N6 a" |" C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 h4 {# E7 v/ ]5 J6 c2 Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 C* `# ~) c* Z) q' k: F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! n* ^5 _( m% p$ }0 [6 ~3 B! N5 q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 \) `9 O  \' o- [4 |5 X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 C: _. b6 E( }3 G' ?" U; p
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. ^2 f( n4 d0 c4 {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; z9 {9 u1 K9 ]7 U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, z7 J0 V' f  L' j3 N8 t; g' ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" o. E/ _7 ~) I7 y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; r0 R" K8 T+ \+ s1 d3 e9 Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 V+ Q) ?3 W  t* L9 R, j  c2 ]& |: R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; z! R; @  ~( b; T
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 S! x- h$ n2 ~  W8 \1 X, `/ E

& M! Y4 \5 z1 J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! t2 P/ f! O4 f9 `' P& O/ X

7 Y9 E! j$ C& I' W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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6 ^0 ]3 _( ]: u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% W% t. N5 }& |/ o3 R  }9 N
.............信耶穌... ...

. |8 y. @# v4 c" j! g" ]Regarding the resurrection....
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2 g4 F# v/ e1 O/ z  kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.