Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 J8 Q4 U; G! b5 S1 p% l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ `/ C/ k" X5 i- g6 f! X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* f% m4 [) D9 @道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# O1 H5 [" }* R: G呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 v" U9 H' p. _7 b0 r3 x# U5 [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ z$ l/ k3 b6 Z, {" O; `2 H
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 T: b4 \% j- n! _3 n' V3 {cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; |) M2 V; C7 w+ Q4 y  e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 v; u- l% R! s1 r. x% z真的!!這不是反話
1 x3 n' |8 S* C0 C$ s, ]6 j因為我是情感比理性強的人8 P! Q8 V+ R3 _7 v: @2 \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 v( ~5 n9 ^! u' O% r) D0 i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 {6 `! i  N5 x: j) O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 G( i4 f& A. f. H- h) ]) v7 q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 B% y9 Q, `1 r( b$ y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 y9 `8 z3 m3 o

8 `, x5 K/ W8 T! x1 hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 O3 j: x0 P5 c5 `# r. y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" B7 F( y8 N5 e/ hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 S! N( r- O, I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' ?9 n7 |' E% N$ h( ~"不信也沒損失"9 U* D. F6 T$ g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! W1 y/ y+ G4 U  K0 s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( Y3 E/ J$ ^( [: y' `
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it's starting because we have sins......
" |4 D; l9 _# U( }7 p, Z2 ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " ?4 j! S3 \% k3 f7 L# `- {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 Y0 f. l6 d4 Y" p, V, x, E& S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) B. ]0 z8 E. k# @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 h3 U: H1 g/ @- \. s/ C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 l% Z% W4 e7 \# i( j) A7 M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ b% x4 X# ?% X3 C2 Y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- h9 n: T  d/ |4 |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, }# k5 a* s! n# w2 m6 J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 j% i/ F& \& o  A6 x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 h0 v( a1 Z  L- Y- j& o8 U. N宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 X0 g3 q( x( p0 I7 `

; h; |  X; {% L3 ~2 _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; w8 ~8 `  x! n" n0 ?0 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ X/ [8 ^" s* U; A
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以下是其他人的見解,1 O! J! M  {+ ]$ }2 Y) j0 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 B- P( Y9 [7 [9 N9 o2 R2 t3 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( h7 ~0 t6 D) A* P.............信耶穌... ...

2 G1 D( E- H6 {+ pRegarding the resurrection....  B! e1 R! w7 U% Y2 B( |4 _

" i* N: o8 v% g; u7 R! f, qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 r+ w$ R: b4 C- Y& O& b3 j) R

( f. Y4 W0 ?- RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.