Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到- c3 L' h4 `9 y4 K/ Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  w4 O4 Q/ c% F# h4 d  _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' G* B3 {+ z& Q; [
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 n% x% d0 {2 {. N1 l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* G# }6 ]( o1 S) O& o8 F" }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 E/ p6 @# d! b7 D$ o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) ?9 c& m, T# m& @' |- E/ E1 e3 `, i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; j2 o- T: I0 `- D" U( B! a" K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" N9 t; q$ B% j) @2 K! h  w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! L% u& q  [- |& j& C5 }7 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 j  N; x! G$ v+ o5 b  E

. ?; r) w  U) X% aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 y6 _) x$ d+ C; h& O4 n& W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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$ K1 J& H2 x; a* N[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 ^1 Q% _+ y; ^7 B# f8 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' z  i3 V% g) `% C"不信也沒損失"
4 t) x4 B% C+ u5 [2 _4 F5 e6 r: yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." E" [: }( b+ z2 A9 p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......7 C  u- {: n: j8 d$ s8 r" c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 }+ _; ?/ p# \+ S" S3 ]4 E% O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 t. D7 o- j0 e0 s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  Q5 L' K; l8 n) h5 E' Q. ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 [, b& N% ~2 E9 q$ o8 j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" {; ?6 C  b7 i+ P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) P% e5 u) n3 a$ f+ s+ B' l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) m; y3 `: g0 q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 j( W+ I0 Q* j: |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ G  v. e2 m& q/ P: v# E

2 [# s2 s6 o8 M* b- H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; c/ o% v+ O: z3 r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 A3 c; O8 n+ a/ I; i# N; X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 l# s: `3 e3 T3 X+ b$ Y" r. G0 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 x" V8 _1 h( Y* [  e5 q以下是其他人的見解,1 [, w6 Z8 X( `/ P* S* K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 E0 t! F+ b5 M9 ^# p
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 E* T  S/ @: e  H5 }" o8 \. _6 e+ l

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2 v. f/ @( f! B- l. A3 c/ ^# B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 M( J+ i" E& F1 X7 |4 p

! m: y2 j8 y! j6 u2 W4 N6 z7 B  D# @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  ^3 e( F# z' q4 }/ _0 x.............信耶穌... ...

( R0 n+ ^6 t& l9 C  C) iRegarding the resurrection...." i+ K( O3 H2 e) N$ E

* R$ O# b% S* Z5 c# p( IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. T1 q( ~9 S5 E: HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.