Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! A: b% `! I' P. [& q5 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: ?9 M% Y4 t: \) [* F6 y! y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- w! w; w8 E& M4 `/ Y道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 J4 N1 Q6 J5 W) `' _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, G7 V, F! K- c4 A% ~& l: ?

. |) y. A% P# e. pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 l: O6 C- Y+ p4 V, S; G1 E$ G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 O$ w2 `! ~' h. ~" d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 K- \( q5 r$ K. [0 ~$ h5 K7 u/ L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 ~. M8 p* T  e3 _' M9 ?9 M% }
真的!!這不是反話7 l1 t7 y8 s0 j: z8 Q9 j6 k' Z7 r
因為我是情感比理性強的人
! x+ j& W: D5 ~) h% i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 \! P  F( B7 D6 y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! E2 k+ a, B# d2 I在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* c$ M, T8 N2 @1 ?# y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- F6 H# b! a: ~& G: ^7 lWhat a statement we have here?4 i3 h* V: C" B5 d9 z% k6 A

- o' Q0 v( L2 L( x7 c1 ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + D+ W. p6 H) ?8 t$ n0 C: E% o9 M

' N- o2 B9 `- K: {: S( `0 `# n, s$ VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' P! w/ v  U2 f) q: L' [: E  d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" F7 C3 z! l& o" F# ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 Z! A, J. J+ x! j; q* F

2 o9 F2 d' |. [2 R- h, ^4 E3 ?( Jit's starting because we have sins......+ ^/ q0 q- J9 e7 J! F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! Q$ A  V) K$ {4 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": A9 T  ]+ @4 o7 E3 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ e! k3 d- C3 y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 j+ _2 I$ _5 }# O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: ?* Y& @9 ~8 J% _- ]- |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% [- M( @0 T+ U* k* ~6 Y$ D7 V! {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 o: [7 l9 c$ Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  D0 `  l3 k/ G- |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ X; m1 O& }; l0 \; Y% _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, @; n% c* k+ l; T8 E. B9 N
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 L! }2 `% J7 J; Y/ Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 P8 O- C* D" o) \0 ~' K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; }# A* w  N: ~! }2 c以下是其他人的見解,# k5 I$ u' i* p9 |1 \' q7 b! H3 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  t$ g& X8 d& ~( |: z
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 Y9 C, s2 U1 L4 r& r; J% M. r

, G& T" j' n& O0 u3 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ U- g6 O; X8 a- ~% D, h

( E4 ]) I" W6 {/ v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 I) F: }; G3 m  n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 d6 {$ \7 U  |% t

9 y% e. L, a+ x! {" ]3 S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 V# ]4 g5 u& }' Z6 d' z* s, w
.............信耶穌... ...

3 [# a% y: T$ D" ?6 U# \1 GRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.