Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ y/ H, _7 a% z; o; c4 ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 R; T8 {2 w% M- A$ p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. d& B8 Y" u1 v. M0 d1 p/ b$ }道理我知道好多只係做吳到; l! g  V& z+ G1 x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' `! H4 j& f2 T! ?  yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# n8 k4 U7 B4 U7 m' U
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: \, A- ^) A3 m: s# _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" {+ Q% `0 k/ L6 h* ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話/ \8 g" Q, \5 }& n* ?; {
因為我是情感比理性強的人; T$ [9 S! v3 A& E- Z/ f! Q: k( E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! T; w# X, Z3 y0 O: [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 _! e( L* {! |  i& b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* k" r2 {1 S& f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 l0 d9 H; `* O# K9 b6 m. P! G* ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. M$ m" D! F+ \; [& v& r5 v2 [, K3 f* F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ S8 d# r1 J9 x9 z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ ^3 a8 J" v7 G8 P( X1 u( J7 K9 J

- l+ G0 I/ L7 z8 h; p9 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- `. `  K6 I! Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- `$ [+ s& V9 I% h6 `- bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" u5 S3 ~7 K" K  G) R  [6 fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....../ [2 ~& G* w$ K+ i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , M) L) Z) R) C/ u) p* t  g; c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 f, N2 M/ f8 p+ V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% ~5 M% c; V# L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ x* u" d0 b) U; _& ~" n5 p5 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! b9 z* |5 X2 A0 Y& |5 s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ W2 D" J: l. e& h4 J6 j* _+ o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" J' C! Q1 b: ]% @2 w" ?  a* \
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; x7 @/ Y7 F7 K1 e  A& G: l+ j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( w1 ?* V/ h3 ]. Q" o% S. N% ]

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: m' a. M( s. c5 I, K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 [# O8 y8 {/ r* V4 n

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 D( ~, T* O4 `0 n' r9 ]# R  p# _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, ~# C+ D4 {8 t

7 |- M0 Y- M7 h+ p/ Q( |( k- {# Q+ b7 y以下是其他人的見解,9 u/ x9 g( ?* f6 ?3 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" J- c2 l) \& O1 ?" `
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  Y% M# _% f" [$ R$ \; T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% s# M7 y5 E* ~1 U" T: H

% u- n9 U  r& k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" N( [+ M. [% ^! Z; G% k.............信耶穌... ...

1 Z7 y5 C! v. e9 I' IRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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