Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 }" y2 f+ j& O( D' v) V+ d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 o& v$ f) T9 w: C/ W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; C; k% I6 Q" |0 e/ I/ z9 E道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" g- j% V2 B7 P' i) o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) s! }" S% M3 _' M4 G5 C6 F/ R' WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ w5 Y! l8 X8 Y5 ]$ Y. tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& [! ~" g: H3 F! _9 u' V

& }& T" e+ Q, d$ Y' M6 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 K7 g2 u6 z' h; vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# W$ u: [: q/ \  i$ d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& t0 ^6 K; W$ i" N- L1 b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 g' e1 d3 p. t0 N% T5 e
真的!!這不是反話$ ^( F* m- B# u1 {6 T) m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 l0 ^2 \; e/ ^+ ]8 z- T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- a. b, y$ K+ |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 y4 q/ p; A7 K5 ~$ z: R% D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 I. }0 r" C8 |( a  `6 k

4 C: c- p! D0 cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ c& S: K: j6 W3 n! l

4 c+ q$ y; R  e4 U, lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# q2 f# Q7 W4 T( ?6 \7 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% D3 N7 r: k  S2 E  O; w9 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! V5 M' Z" W/ A+ \1 L) |. R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 c3 ~/ }; ~4 d: ?it's starting because we have sins......
+ O8 Z. P% J2 ?* {2 ^2 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; M% H& }: D! p; Z6 L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", j# {' N' X, G2 p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* S" C: J1 d. Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 v' {9 a3 j/ ~  x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ M0 ^# C( u! G% Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. C: u$ F1 g" r9 D7 y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 |9 e- r) q& }( m! Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  }- u7 z5 J/ _) `9 i- |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ U4 z1 P; ?, p/ @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 q0 r& |8 ]. R1 i1 m% E' o2 \3 p改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  A0 s0 P0 ~2 ^" d( R8 [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( i* \, r# v$ N/ N8 V7 n, l+ s5 V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 Q; u4 w: n$ K* Q& m" z% e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  g' F0 `5 i; Q, W. [- I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, G5 k* O- b. V, N$ t以下是其他人的見解,
8 ?8 p6 T' U; ]/ x0 T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( m$ `( a5 L& m" }
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 ]1 |; I1 R0 x7 x, T9 h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- ]) k' P8 S. O

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 ^7 X9 ?8 V9 U8 g1 R3 \.............信耶穌... ...

  E" s. y1 A7 J* dRegarding the resurrection....
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) ^4 L1 ]7 e# O% J# }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.