Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 }1 f; y, v( G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ c. {$ E0 Q, A* Y! h# Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! _! p% K- g- l4 E8 v: X7 p. o

6 x, [5 Z) t/ b4 W2 x( r* qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." {: C$ \  \0 M1 g' m! U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& t, b$ S8 p# K6 b- Q7 w9 I! g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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0 e1 q: S7 A0 `7 yWhat a statement we have here?
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, |4 E0 U8 |. l; T( r  BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! H% w6 L5 m3 T  k; p) u4 M! D4 [
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! v7 N5 k' n  ^6 @, i: s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; R/ Y: V) m& P/ k* Y' ]% H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 J) X0 r7 T" H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: E2 O9 W# ~% D8 c- c# Q$ E4 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
, V! R& n3 _4 j! rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  E: u3 {$ s+ O8 a3 B3 Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 h+ K2 f# e- l" y/ _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 v- W  Q: p% ]6 m" i! _1 A, [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 }0 r6 D. ]4 j7 Z9 ~$ I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 E; V' {% b# v' T1 I
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 Y& O: z- t4 i8 a1 p: i0 s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 Z; q, Q$ x7 O0 a. W6 @7 _/ L: V
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* b2 `* M& A! L: z2 P$ E3 M5 z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( w$ h& Q0 V# t: m1 q9 V% m5 I! L* y- o
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 ^! g! n& P+ z4 P, g/ t* e' _

) m, B& O2 ?0 r* p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; w" |# C' Y) P" \2 A9 h
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 ]: v: @0 I1 D& Q' S( @: T& a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 C8 d& P: |6 C# }

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$ U- A) h; a& R! @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.