Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# g2 n2 R0 Y! g! |) q$ J; }* X我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 U# l- [: [2 R+ h又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 P8 }6 o* E+ m% j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% C9 V$ v" [3 Z0 t; D5 A  Z7 l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 W* p/ @8 v; z9 O4 [6 [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- g2 t2 F; O6 Q3 K2 W+ p* Y

; O; b5 @9 A; y7 s) U5 z! Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& K- E8 O) e7 O
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 A6 Q6 C+ Y0 r9 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& [6 Y- y6 C. S! G$ Q* t我只不過微小的基督徒..................., A( [  J# k. e& E
真的!!這不是反話3 X/ i& _4 z2 k/ ?; i
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ N) }* j! w/ t/ W/ G2 f2 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! i1 Z) t$ C; C% S+ F4 r* O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( \+ {# p  T' @2 @$ [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# N, U5 k0 S# h0 h" r: E9 vWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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  G- I, ?/ O9 O4 C/ L:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# v1 R& {) \" ]+ m- E3 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" p1 l1 D! P7 H- D; C& _$ W"不信也沒損失"
1 f( g7 P8 ^4 ^5 ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 d* u5 y- n5 s1 ~. K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( n/ t1 T* S) L6 I& V2 c% Z# F4 c
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 r/ B$ F4 c4 `6 e$ {+ Nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 T7 i& j1 [1 h9 l3 Z6 a+ H7 t& N* Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# f) S. I6 o7 W% O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& v2 ~1 Q9 |: L* {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 |' x/ `: C: r1 @9 F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 {* ^0 r9 ], x' v* |  I' i/ R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( {* o5 h! ]0 w8 J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! t" E  U6 R$ K8 u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 t9 w2 ]$ F6 R* d" Q8 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  ?; T/ n0 V4 ?6 |8 e; L( d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ ]3 h+ f3 C% p$ {# q/ r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 U: `! b/ H7 ^以下是其他人的見解,
3 V# J& n/ b$ C. X5 Q! @; s看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% D5 _; T% X7 ~1 t1 w) H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" |  `' C9 R8 i$ c: w' B- `

: `9 l( Q8 t3 A# |$ D9 L" R8 Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 s2 v1 p1 L9 m; ~: G: z' [4 f& ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; ?5 J( D: G( w  m: G/ W' m8 Z
.............信耶穌... ...

" z1 L. Z5 |, T5 C2 c3 ]" CRegarding the resurrection....
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# A- [1 b& N( N! WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% A: E2 r) o  \9 NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.