Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 M# A9 s1 T) }7 f+ Y$ c$ q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 `5 a4 S2 }9 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 C+ y& O$ _* j6 f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 c& Q9 k" o  Q6 T$ [呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! n) u6 ^3 `/ l" N7 ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; h6 q3 [! D3 m1 Y1 Gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 J$ j  M5 R$ {2 y. s: \7 m
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* y, x% V" I% G7 ?; }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& D% p- o; b$ S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ?7 `* T3 P7 G' K2 z8 P% D: s
真的!!這不是反話) @$ \& C- ^( y; n1 l
因為我是情感比理性強的人; j- O, J. Z1 D) ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, m3 v+ ^# a  \9 f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 p) `& d* \. Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& N" P9 P/ N* a' h. c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, J4 }% O; `; v# rWhat a statement we have here?! w1 w% G* S: m& t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " M( g# ~5 `) e  h: v7 v# l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 g/ m. C' O+ S/ m7 \7 g  s

  n7 H) {6 |/ z7 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) W, _  F8 w1 }9 ]! q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 H0 y- U- H, f) g" {& @# {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  r/ c+ s4 X3 \! o% b"不信也沒損失"
) e6 \" t7 I* w3 O. G) P. [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& Y. L$ e( F8 f$ E/ x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: X7 k6 n5 u6 l1 \5 z& L6 t$ N, X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: y  G2 R! ?8 }+ {$ t7 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 n7 g  c1 }; B8 s7 z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 v% A' C. S5 }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ X+ N! C/ Y$ X" |$ e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- z& q1 z* }' o2 m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ w! c- Y% u* {+ O; q  o+ {
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* q0 m. a; i- }0 d0 P! ?. E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' {! W9 a, m. E& q5 l. Z4 f* z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 o- [9 h, t6 v* |* d% _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* C2 `  E3 [# x) h; f

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: _0 g! u! [* |) U* ?$ v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 H- J1 C+ F# Y$ T1 Y

: V7 r5 P8 Y0 m. o$ H0 N! q0 d以下是其他人的見解,. F. k+ P$ h4 b! r" w- v! ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  ^/ c) I$ p: V7 r7 {" R& b
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) `4 \' E% {$ B# c0 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) @$ E6 E' z! B" L9 D# W& C0 R3 P) }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 O7 V- b' h# h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 E8 C8 _: ~/ G: s) z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( p3 |: @+ x) C/ |& ]1 \$ Q$ G
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.