Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: o1 m, y7 Y& q' g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到! p9 s8 s: Y) M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ d- g- d2 Q  c+ [  b3 x+ yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." L+ {4 X. h% R" y0 p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: ]3 R/ c8 K$ c9 ?8 j6 R9 S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, c4 i0 [1 R9 B" \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: t, `; G. ?- |0 v" k: f$ n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 `; W* H  ]# J/ {3 B* C1 c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% r& A6 ^, h! }* e, `What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 ?3 u. M8 r3 A8 V  S5 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# w+ A8 o& E9 k: [% n
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: |5 n5 z' v2 N+ S6 j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ b/ ^" {9 |# ^0 N, ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 F5 {7 m  q" l1 b5 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ G+ ^9 N$ h& h( {
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 R5 a& \9 A2 _* \satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 r! P1 Y& p2 A: M4 Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ S8 f8 R% V6 _) Y2 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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" S- Q5 W0 R- y. A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# O" `2 f2 i+ B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ `% B8 t- s8 u" ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% f) M3 Q, b; B& z3 M

1 t- [! M0 e  X+ y. {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ R5 h( B- _# L- y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% N7 w5 j+ a1 e: w& p, w

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! |# B+ t. {+ B; b' F% l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- U+ A( @% l. t! C; Z# d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ S" t& o; x. c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. m0 g- ^( M8 V: s5 I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 d# d4 B3 A9 J7 r& N9 a# G0 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' l! d4 n* v& F" Z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.