Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; t* |& P3 _( \3 z+ j
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- _+ K. o. `! X6 |' C7 J# F( Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, V4 a! k6 c+ {( D

4 w  y6 a9 S$ H0 f9 Y, MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) C& m0 o) d* U4 g# ^/ b/ }* O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." M2 E5 E  r  @: I1 S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 k4 c. y" K7 q7 ?+ A8 Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% c2 j* B) v/ v( K7 e$ t! F" e  x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 B2 @; t+ G% P& j4 t+ K
真的!!這不是反話5 D. P/ c' S# q* n) B$ @; O* f. H
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, x( m$ \6 b; r; r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 r$ H. k6 T9 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 z2 ~% n1 Q* I8 H2 [) gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. ]3 m  Y  a; C. K; d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: I! _* ^& t* Z1 h3 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' J4 ]% P: k# }4 Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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& m% \  C* o; E8 N8 @it's starting because we have sins......
- s9 z# d3 a7 j' ]/ c, Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 d& s' I5 a; I; }3 D# Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 d, i+ F: v3 w% i# J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 |# M, d  e/ Z- R# ^- ~: a# `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. \3 H! S9 p9 z$ v& X5 Z, Z9 \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ \- M0 {" ?6 V( a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: u- w! O$ N. ~7 N5 a3 e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( Z, x  i1 J6 j/ f: X; c/ b* B  t9 u, l

6 Y9 G5 q; R! }5 M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 G. ?0 @6 c& d8 t. ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, l" n7 _  x$ H: z) ?" B6 G- [

; O. D+ K1 I! b2 c" n7 W$ U- y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ h& M" s8 l+ n7 Q0 C+ D; F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. M1 Q$ u4 e5 ~$ _4 ?3 o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 o4 D- n' \8 }/ y9 n7 _
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# T6 E3 x! \1 Q4 Z7 B$ J# j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# f' Y% F8 ~! r" E( {, q4 s  m2 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; G2 r4 r  p0 l' d% n& u
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ x. U& X1 R. J- A# x! L5 U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  ]0 T* l$ z( u8 f3 J) B

4 S+ i) b9 E: \7 r' B# t0 A/ x. H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: L6 T6 Z$ W2 P& T- v8 b
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... p* S$ i1 g$ F4 i4 }$ ]. k& [- Q
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 y& m. `, L8 H) ~# l1 Q; O; r

1 L# Y' h/ D7 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.