Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 G" Z( X7 I4 a0 x) i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 R2 K: a" g) _2 M% g: ?$ XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# r; g; r* H( o; i$ i5 ^* S9 e; Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 I( V. G% N- ~0 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 z, j1 j9 m: [# u# J/ _5 }+ I我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ [) u+ F) H. p0 x4 C7 f
真的!!這不是反話. _9 U$ ]- _8 k4 y; v2 o# B
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 w* j$ w3 ?4 L6 A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 q' K; l4 g# Q( M2 r# d3 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 O: E5 _( l, e0 w/ a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  Q4 q- E* F* G3 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. q- Y, w, C2 \% B+ {What a statement we have here?
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2 K' ^# V8 V/ m5 VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   X2 Q/ Z& [1 {6 Y9 R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. ^5 Q% K( T9 Z! n" ]8 k0 Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 M$ [: m( n4 x: z  K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 k) X! x# {- }8 U1 x"不信也沒損失"
8 x) g7 [, N( V2 R* S6 CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ M4 A. ?* F6 B4 B" Q# Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ u+ t1 K) b, M9 _' j! Nit's starting because we have sins......
' R1 g% d2 F/ S' Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 B  d7 `, h) |% O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* Q1 `3 v; L7 E6 ^4 j# S, e2 f3 ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 C( q" q" V1 M% ~' a; m( o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) F8 V! D* s( j' F- o- c

: a# n8 K5 l$ v! G  n; ?7 N+ t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 W" x/ Y0 K4 k2 ~2 P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% u! g1 F$ W$ |1 P/ K3 V7 l& L
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6 R7 `, p. c1 a8 P# t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* D8 M' P( S; j6 v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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! V9 j& |- X! z& T/ q2 R[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 p; Q8 n4 o0 @' ]8 Z: D' g

$ g0 k; \; E: X. r% r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 _, @" p- I4 h0 R6 x

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) o7 G. u/ _5 i0 K) S! k, V2 G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.