Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# Y5 r: }+ x7 V; E4 C* E6 T7 ]+ g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 L! [( B* S. _6 p% a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% B, C' @3 U3 O& Q) ?5 D  j' W: k4 _" Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; R- ]+ L- Z; |$ I+ q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... l8 j) `$ W  I6 U
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 e: N* d. }% A' m
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# R- c: `& v5 S* Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- a0 N3 @7 A! v' k1 G  I
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  W  e6 Z9 U& S/ b! z# A5 o
真的!!這不是反話) o. u% J! A, o& |3 L6 L, Y
因為我是情感比理性強的人: C$ T& _4 J' \+ g7 n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" X6 H# W, m# I/ x" N! r" z4 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, n6 K0 M8 l2 R! z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 n8 O( X' {$ }  Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# W8 F4 ?5 ?6 Z: T" V8 e  u$ ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 @6 M4 Y0 O( \: ~
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 ~* d) v# ]$ I9 |% |5 s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 U. @5 `: O0 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 A: T3 ]( k: O( t* X/ _) KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- M7 _; g: I* S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 V& @8 Q; b7 M5 p% Iit's starting because we have sins......; r/ p% U5 w/ J5 s) F- u6 r5 T( z5 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  Z5 f% @, ~- R. W, T1 ^7 z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 z7 c0 _+ W7 n- I: v! h- R$ W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! f. q) a. a7 c& D7 E& G% J. V

8 Z1 h$ R2 ], M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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) d  G: g6 i- a, I' t" J* C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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3 }# u& y, ^+ q' l6 u以下是其他人的見解,% G' X: @4 B# h, X; a7 Z' B) c1 J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' R  z  @( p1 C: t
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 |' p# p' s" q3 @+ ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) [1 p' _& x$ {! p

5 {- d, r$ p& Q+ Z1 ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ ]" W/ Z( u) \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.