Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 n$ h4 d* \4 S( n9 p# V- }我係一個連自己都吳信的人% o1 O" t- ?0 @1 [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 v+ t, j* P) O- K- F- m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, x' d+ I; r2 F8 j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 l1 b7 v2 m5 \9 g  b4 `1 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* l4 ^0 C9 G" y, X  |9 X

! o: M& n3 f% r& j/ p. bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# T2 w1 F% t. ~8 l: E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  _! U+ J8 b/ K$ r/ y- F" \因為我是情感比理性強的人. ?+ B3 r, q: g& G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 R* r$ V, b+ n4 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," I& I: C# H& \8 u: C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ p# l/ ]" t6 y: D& [& H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ [! i% k# m  p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& A4 b" M: {4 ?  l& v( t3 o! a  ~What a statement we have here?6 `- S! k. Y+ R' I- }9 F

3 E/ v4 I8 Y4 a! H% n; i' UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ w# l8 L- `+ a4 O- SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! y0 V8 b! p& x! z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* W+ V0 u( I* w& x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 w* r+ K% G1 k( W+ M: J4 a4 R6 x% bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- x9 v# {  U6 U/ tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& K1 G) S: \2 d) N& L- g, p" x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 p* i7 X. e4 P9 K4 Y7 Q" @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". t/ ?& v2 w* p/ [3 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" \8 m) P4 d5 B0 o4 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% |3 N1 M; V. G* r/ l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; N% |8 y1 J9 R5 G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" [9 N, ?- m; E3 V% _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 O5 Q) T/ O1 i! A+ j% T4 ]

" ]& {6 Q1 N: [  e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 o( J1 I; R9 M1 `# B4 Y- l; z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( [! F/ Q6 I& G3 m. @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 i* n( o" y" R8 k+ B% H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% k( U' k' S6 o. m6 Y1 w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* x* X; C. b) o0 E% F

) S; _) y9 y7 h: s7 `7 |6 j0 o; F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 ^9 k. ?! l: ~% Z% Y, u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 z2 `1 [' K' [  l! u# K
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以下是其他人的見解,$ b! @! ~) ~: P+ _5 y  K$ }( l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; S1 p5 g" D3 U! Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; R" V! @* \; V' ?* o; i* R: u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 T: W. t" Y8 b) F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ w+ R. _9 }! ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" B& D5 ?! U( `  A% T% i.............信耶穌... ...

# d/ Z  t: s% ]# H; jRegarding the resurrection....; ]1 b5 U/ J: {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; k7 z3 [7 F# o; z( YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.