Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- U7 q0 X0 D% X$ j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; D7 R, j2 B, Y2 F, g0 {; c$ @
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& h. P3 @% Q9 Q! |' h8 ]" x6 z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ @! G9 M4 l$ _6 J9 ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- C+ q3 ~) ?5 H# D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' g/ B; v. {/ \/ P我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 `, l6 E6 I: Q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% r) g& M' A% Y8 m6 i& b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 I: ~8 y! i) v" u% i3 x( C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 W3 R( {" G8 v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . z3 T& a# x) k1 R4 E. i& d9 B

* z2 {: I. S6 H5 r+ XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 P. ]' I  I! N( {/ K! a# ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 B& p1 p9 c1 }+ l; y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"( v- b9 G/ @! b* W4 q2 g" \3 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 F6 ~6 B7 Y/ K- u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: x( h; \3 P- v6 R/ Y7 k& d

* r; g" B; U; z: ~' E" ~; Uit's starting because we have sins......
# }2 k8 b8 |: F$ r. I3 K8 V- lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ L& F0 N7 L9 F- O; q7 L# K5 i  K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& P- L7 d) ?" l/ z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ j  l0 i% X# z+ ^; S  V6 c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 O( m# B' t  l+ H; }4 T) N  V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 u: I8 P. [2 R) d. f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 t, @7 H0 {6 Q) m/ M* i1 }- l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  D, T( [- p9 L3 f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ {6 c4 \# J+ A  m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! Y: R' I! `5 H) B" Y! V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 q' x1 i% F5 ^$ f2 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 T% l- o  c6 ~( P, T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& I5 _' a7 A- S' Z& \

5 Q  Q2 j! }, C% j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( T8 p4 b0 {% p/ t) n& u) j  t! a2 _! H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 W5 m$ g9 U( {; w& P' j

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2 y  M! O( |$ I3 k; ]* ^8 b0 Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ A! K. ^1 k: _" M7 m" U.............信耶穌... ...

+ L% X1 o4 d7 C! kRegarding the resurrection....' @* e# Z" E2 {# ?* J5 C

* q+ `9 K0 P/ X1 B! q5 LActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 `' k$ G6 }- v  k- t( o& u+ {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.