Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ V+ C" v* N$ u5 O& S; O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* O5 [" F0 F. Y, V0 ?0 K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* f$ D3 P8 W. I6 o" {6 V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. t# M: M. z7 q2 |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 G8 Q2 U8 Y! H; LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 e5 D4 V1 c2 Y# H: e( z

/ q7 |" Y5 D* BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 Y0 q" n# u$ }
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." Y/ \' ^7 O/ \" r2 |8 E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& u; G2 j6 P4 [; ]" r; Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 b# O9 t2 g1 }: O1 m我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ X8 a- G, V6 r
真的!!這不是反話
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. S  |0 _6 j0 P, s1 k" T- U6 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, k7 [/ E+ `1 l9 P6 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' |+ X3 N/ q2 z. D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) P4 h. V& M: u$ Q. B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # M  d( B# L6 ^. q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( u: V+ b# q7 j1 {' p

4 N1 q. x2 k! SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ M) H7 p* V7 w7 {8 k

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ b! [1 H+ Q+ o$ `1 I* ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- K+ f+ H1 c8 n; Z& CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." A/ L+ Q+ i* d" S4 g# `5 E' c$ |0 b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ y) q; C) K, k% J7 Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . E. Q; s% c  t: T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 K& k/ N* T9 w' W8 {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ \5 u4 L5 D8 u& Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 k  [0 D& k+ i- a4 c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 z, d# U% q3 C; o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: w# E+ N1 Q  O1 m# ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ \1 {. p7 }, v' [! V/ n

; f8 ~3 I" B& G" _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: x8 B) x6 r. n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- n5 z7 V$ A0 x; q* J
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 s( x; w1 M/ o( F. w0 o5 X# m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  R8 h. @' }6 p8 g% y( _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) b# x1 Y7 \) T3 M: e宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,+ C, G& t% c! i! G& h' L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& Z# u& c" a7 P4 J: e+ K3 @& i
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 ^. [5 ]- t" F- G- x2 ^; Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 T. @% r( e  D. G

9 X& i" T3 d# `& ]" a. d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- N' r  u9 I. p/ z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; Q4 ]; q$ |- w+ g
.............信耶穌... ...

/ o8 d: n  Z0 _9 r* @8 X; DRegarding the resurrection....
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1 V0 I% W* g* B/ ~; UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. ^- H. y! {! W7 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.