Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 {6 m0 M% p: B6 w我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 i5 u6 ]9 m9 a; C- S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 d* e7 r! O; t) i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' c% F' i4 w$ W5 c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. w! a" a9 w5 \# J3 N9 ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 B" ?( F! N5 |" Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' i/ L- b! I1 b. R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' r# C9 h# n, J  `$ |4 q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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: B! Y! P7 `& v4 v. f$ }因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ e1 s, P# J0 _$ e, k1 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) y/ b1 f% w! M" }0 ~# E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 [% u5 z) ~1 j; ~  y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* F/ t( M" h7 M7 e# P" c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?' b! X' o$ J3 V' C$ v/ E& O

. o9 R  c; i5 p; K, I$ [' |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , T( U! A6 Q* F# D

' R4 z# C# v0 u5 s/ j) LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( p/ \, y) v$ F3 g7 C; jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- w# f5 O( ^: r. N& f' y' c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 r4 m% B* n, M' C  d"不信也沒損失"/ @2 m9 O/ p3 P6 o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# O( ~* e, Y% ~7 p: P8 U2 fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 G+ t! b2 ~, T2 ]
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 e; p/ n& {4 g" E2 C* lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 f% J0 {2 g! D5 Pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 i3 M- z6 O9 I4 j, X1 }9 a6 g! p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ v$ ]% D0 O* [; a( C( @! I& Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, b1 [9 \  _! C2 u: z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( N* m$ ^$ f! f) ?! u9 A1 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* ~' M! M5 B/ w% X0 k' k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 j( d# K5 f6 H! y- V& F

4 C" a$ q4 B3 @7 n* i" k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; A7 d: [; B+ W1 r/ k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ V, u) N" B8 J7 J9 [6 _& L
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 e$ Y, D0 {* m% C# p改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# j$ r6 I) M/ s  P; t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 k* V  y! h( p0 ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 \2 c9 |- {3 Z4 w% g
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) b8 ^! R$ L" ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ I0 m3 q# U0 Z以下是其他人的見解,
' w' d8 R9 h1 L0 M* d看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( S; R7 B9 T7 \! y5 i4 q1 B

5 n0 m0 T5 i$ p5 B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 ~1 X2 m' I, e! ]0 T( H7 E7 {( i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' b  H7 z5 |% [: u.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ t3 T+ z8 k9 }4 y( t! ]

2 _* t- l' ~5 V: b: B4 ~# KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* L1 Z; S% G9 f- a2 G( \

9 |$ D( m' E) S8 v5 BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.