Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# z, H' W  q2 y0 i  J& t3 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到! E2 |, Q% J4 x$ f3 m. O; [, d8 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 Q5 o5 h* o' PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 i" t# J9 ~) {7 SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 @  X6 k- ]3 y* omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( F$ d) ^: s  f  n/ D. r

/ ~0 d# w/ g1 s# tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! |  x4 ?( u  o, I. m* Y* Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, |% i5 ^* J' _$ N6 u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( ?* N% r: W/ ]+ ]$ G因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* a! w8 ?- p- f& [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# n! y$ t, w! U& }" u+ {" g5 _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. m5 I" d0 ]# X4 z4 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 a1 R* H7 L9 n7 ^

1 J+ y, d7 Q7 D4 Y. Y% s$ z3 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, i5 p; d' E  E2 g8 aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" H' l/ R5 {0 C% `' f

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" d: o; s6 ?1 Y6 J[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% q" [& N& ~4 h, y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 D% ^# L6 P! ?0 c" u" ^"不信也沒損失"
8 v# i8 D9 L' R. |" ]  j$ FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ {! t9 Y* ?, O8 R4 Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. C* y3 ^; _. k* \- G' Uit's starting because we have sins......' n* w7 Z/ p* {! _5 \0 j8 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 s+ A8 A% [" `: M) W0 L9 x( kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 U6 T7 C! K, n6 g2 D0 }( I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 \7 \) F8 y& k' P- j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- ^$ s% u+ g7 o8 L5 T* w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( G) p9 s+ w4 S; P! Z" g; d3 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ Z: R$ Q) o" v2 ?2 }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, a' Y4 \: L/ j. A  L, f7 _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ^+ K6 }7 ]2 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% l8 `0 q9 _3 D. Y( d1 v7 A
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) z7 k/ }2 @1 ]0 R# f0 C* A6 N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: D2 W/ e7 D' h" e0 F' y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. k5 W7 i2 z2 B; Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 r$ I4 C* g3 w. J+ |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) i: ?  {5 P1 C- T

" ?2 f7 _  J8 M- S4 z0 K' [. r6 ]以下是其他人的見解,0 q% |1 N) c/ w2 d- j  ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 c* z' }% ?$ ]7 Y; l5 g  c

- y5 J$ d2 Y0 B# T# U& E( L/ i1 {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 Q& Y# r+ v! L.............信耶穌... ...

) f6 L/ N/ V; H( sRegarding the resurrection....
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/ [+ {# f7 `  Y  `" j6 C& |/ }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 t" u8 z+ \- \  w7 h: `. o8 T* u
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.