Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ H' ^! e0 @7 Z+ C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 y' P! I" \) H. x. G' Q6 @" X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 U1 p1 H' S6 {% q+ \( J道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 I0 b& S( x5 e1 S7 n5 }* T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ k7 N, o% Q* n: b! p* e4 hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 r1 k! a, t5 A9 P( N7 n6 l- ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 @, k: ~% z+ \; v- }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 ]5 w( [* u; D( U

8 u# l6 b2 b+ G7 M& `9 {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 p6 ^2 w! g- H$ T
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 B3 Q) t- H9 {真的!!這不是反話
: k* Q4 y7 I/ ^8 j) j( ^" y1 w因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! U- o4 @2 X& n& g2 w4 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ A$ L: z7 F& {6 [/ d3 C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! c; S; X% _1 L. R9 [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* x/ R( b  E" z0 d; iWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) T7 U7 ?* v5 c: G* Q' t/ \

" Q* A6 L- p9 f3 a8 {/ XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 D3 h; S: \& ~6 V7 w

$ l3 W. t4 _& aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: }& G& s9 |5 }( E
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 ^2 Q: u5 O) r2 Z5 l0 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- A8 g# i* ^* g+ B1 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ O1 J9 l% K9 D0 Q( ]  b* tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ }% c0 h5 e  H; y

8 ~6 E4 Y& Q0 c" t9 }it's starting because we have sins......5 e) M( @7 R, p3 ^% t" \% d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / r8 m4 b& a* p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ d( f# U0 j! [. o( E- G只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( q6 n  O  T* x' L2 @( e+ R) I! v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, y3 }9 A  [0 e* d- C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  y6 q- e# p4 z5 \' H0 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! a8 n2 X2 B7 }5 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 {$ u6 C9 X+ O/ q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," j) ]' c' o! n, J' k% B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  [) t# M- I, q0 k" L

  F) `( d; P5 ~8 X, O  e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  }3 K  Y8 S! l" `( f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; n/ ~+ ~  j9 ?3 x8 }! j' \9 R  Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% g: y8 O7 M: A; C% Q; I

- P9 P$ T$ w) w; S0 D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 I& x! o# b! |6 s9 @* ~# ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  S( C7 g3 X5 C) a8 @
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以下是其他人的見解,2 ?, `+ R  U& j5 h+ h
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 n/ T3 C+ U: Z& g. l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# _: n5 I  D* p' C2 j

0 {$ U8 E0 x3 Z$ q0 J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! Z$ X8 K. I$ \

$ J* J! U5 _$ A  X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  Y5 `: w0 \7 s# g! ]9 H
.............信耶穌... ...

9 G( D) n8 @' k3 ]6 h3 Y! L6 RRegarding the resurrection....4 V+ i7 {0 H. \- A* X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) \7 s: G8 z1 U$ uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.