Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ o9 k& F) A* v+ L1 j. \) l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, S. Y+ H8 x5 o9 S/ u2 B3 w5 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# Z0 h+ x: _& }0 N% y) hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 i1 u. F1 N3 I: x) |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: v/ ]) R3 o  h' Y6 `* Q  w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 y( d/ r3 y3 b+ H
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ w) F0 Q* b9 C, @4 Scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 i" m; Q( R+ H; l0 b& S( W' y# q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 @4 s1 `5 A$ ?) B. e真的!!這不是反話0 @% r/ ~6 u. Z) Y  f1 u: Y! {$ I' C% v( ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 }, x* o& W; |# v; [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 u2 |  f: c" B5 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 s4 P5 n$ q0 W2 H9 v  ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ n9 N8 j  S+ P0 w1 |1 B3 V2 x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, z( ~4 P& B, Q: D& tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 L& R. M& o$ ~5 [; O1 }

9 `) j* r, f! M1 n2 r" D1 _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 K) M& j# G9 G# X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 d. e  [. Q2 n8 [5 j  f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% b. y- C0 p+ o) Q" l8 o, J; z5 g7 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" ]$ B- |4 t$ q5 t/ r' ]* T0 H: z) Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- V# h& G# @$ ]! n7 U* ]it's starting because we have sins......2 r4 k* T( g& @: z8 ^) `1 g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 d6 C$ O+ o* `* \- }our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ y/ `' K+ v% `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! @8 j* i% F( b) E4 ]3 k8 X3 t/ N* j如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" i5 s) e1 @3 n) @. k7 D* ~! N9 ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 {; {7 B; Q* T1 p% v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ M1 z- h- L! f) f6 x, y: ^- u3 q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. l5 a  i+ w+ D* F" ~( X
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 U/ O1 Z  ]# Y( o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! X5 o6 Z1 T: ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 l% ^+ l8 H+ Q0 ~! A" l  ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 v: v) Q& q5 z1 s0 ?2 O3 _9 i
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 x9 ~) P0 G  P9 z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ G. G# t% I) L0 n) A5 {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" W  q$ I2 [% B) H3 s* ]

) D- B  J- V7 B- r6 G% \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 t+ N+ v$ u2 G, L( @5 g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' M0 m5 S9 a8 J" H& N5 p5 ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: G" n; v9 E# s" {" K$ P- z" M.............信耶穌... ...

# N( M! E" p. W3 R: x! l" FRegarding the resurrection....
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9 u6 ~) b9 A- {- n  W) R) I8 G& ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 Y5 ?2 J% g/ I5 zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.