Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 P6 m. D- c( e我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. D5 `: m- p; C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ @: d' w1 T' l& v" M# S6 k. d/ f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; e" l$ u& l9 a4 k9 J% S. m) C

. @4 q8 E' S' I3 L$ ?$ QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 ?  |: [$ x" U' q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 K4 @( ~) o. W

3 m# p- ], D. \* I1 ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 N" }/ I+ N/ Z; @) g2 Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" Z+ g7 T5 [2 q; v8 X% w9 O7 c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 R2 U9 Y% N1 J8 @+ [# ?9 Z3 Z# J真的!!這不是反話5 Y4 D" r$ w5 l* n4 g# w  S0 t$ U4 y
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 j9 X& @8 S& B/ y7 e( h1 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% b* e) `2 |* d# k) ]' N; x' U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" ?  A4 C3 k) `5 w% l: S. l2 v3 {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  w, t+ d  ~7 b) D8 {/ E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ T1 D8 Z2 s1 \4 T7 FWhat a statement we have here?
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5 Y, u2 ?$ q& ~- ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & I2 g6 p! v* |" C2 a3 w3 U; V

  d) }7 ]7 j7 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% A$ Y1 v& A% b( Z5 m

# ~! d. f6 C9 O, l( ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, k3 u9 d0 A" d# F+ R% b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 C+ ?  `0 o1 }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 w3 _& X% x' e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) l8 L0 M& w) ~, ?/ O7 z  e6 {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; c5 N% [+ L4 x' k+ K: X& Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, C0 S5 \, Z# U9 j( b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# [' M2 A3 B1 B1 _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 g0 u) S/ r% d8 ?2 e5 Q: f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 ]& O. {- x+ b  _) n) k( I' l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( C4 z+ n: \' t) Y" \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! |$ S% r$ i0 _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' B5 E) F$ @# X' V6 k% M# Y/ `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' ?; n6 K& x+ w* q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% Z8 ?& _0 @( @7 ~. @! N3 D改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* v( b/ h* I& e4 U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 A4 |) q8 n% @1 d* W
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ J2 J" T; V6 m! b) s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* w! [) _0 y$ {) g& o9 F7 M- ~% P以下是其他人的見解,
6 T1 N5 G. m, ~3 A9 _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
1 ~9 m) D; J4 e4 zhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* k: B5 f  c0 T4 U4 o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# O8 I7 c% g% s& [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' j  r! J' B9 O
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ {; H5 p& C, B& G& m- [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 p3 o' R& R! ~! `4 U8 B6 }( _( V
.............信耶穌... ...

6 D7 k9 o$ }  V5 R6 TRegarding the resurrection....8 y- @, i3 o5 q/ F8 }2 r7 L6 t
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 {6 j! E. l; v8 v" cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.