Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) u  T' {$ v3 J. N. d! w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 ~! P( o# S4 D; _又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ r0 z- @$ j! z; ?; f( Q$ \; c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 S( t. i- F1 w$ s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( ^) a4 D. n* S% ^: |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ O, H6 J) }1 K# l4 z: f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 _) r+ r, x( C1 `9 J- {* F( j1 Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 x( D) p2 X3 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 }. j+ g* j* ]! j' o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- [  ?! Y  n( X# w) V, z
真的!!這不是反話* h5 P8 Y* J* M2 i& c  v6 d
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 G) q$ H9 K: r& t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 f% J3 n+ @6 ~( Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ O3 G  h3 }: B4 P& n- k! q, X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 U& M) \: j& F+ z3 k
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ V" _, s) ^# g& c0 [+ P/ V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: }) c$ h8 H; d/ _3 zWhat a statement we have here?! o% ^5 K- w. N2 W; p$ ]
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & @# z  t# C5 l" j+ G
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' d+ Y' D% b! C& m7 {

$ o: W6 m2 P3 b4 y! P# FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 ?* J7 O4 H0 U* z# F: s: l# v$ R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. P6 J7 I$ t& j3 \"不信也沒損失"
% {8 g3 N4 U! JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% S2 O/ L( k0 {. X; \/ \* _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* L. s7 ?, T; D! n: f7 A- H4 @7 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ l- Q) n8 p. z0 h9 `) kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  m- `, c* i; n9 @$ V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 x0 N  L" L6 I1 O8 D8 H1 {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 a5 `- C& Y# N- Z. I: f: _7 T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ Y- p/ t" ~& |1 p; q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! s" [2 {0 G/ H1 E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& f9 d/ g- c$ Z3 I1 E5 u

( y; h! J% a/ }" ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, T8 M/ W1 H: c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 m5 {" M# \$ m! B$ e4 ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 g' ?4 V3 E/ E4 u; ]& d9 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 i& |( p+ R$ [
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! a3 [5 B& O' S# x; ~: f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ \! i. X1 f4 `$ e
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; d% x$ ~! l1 M7 I. Z7 {
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ A9 N# ]' P  P# z5 Q3 {
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 r! H$ G  J8 \3 X* v/ o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# A% R7 ^2 x  M.............信耶穌... ...

4 s! j$ F: E- LRegarding the resurrection....7 p2 X- X2 U3 N& u- J* L: S* a8 y

7 j8 b  z. m* z/ Y4 m' N; iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 L6 u$ `: T8 F! C1 ^# e
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.