Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ ?! U1 V  F3 o" F+ `8 T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 `, \1 S3 [/ INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( ?. M8 v: U: s' d, Q$ B( L* V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- ^# Q0 J# c( Q/ w* }) n' @
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ a1 {6 {5 r$ L, D8 D" J+ M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ V* O7 w1 [) `
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- E* Z5 X2 y$ M% N7 e0 p/ q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! U. f5 K. z- X$ {2 K) r
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 M  g( R3 J, u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, \9 p. O5 r, N7 l1 E8 d5 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# `9 g+ a- S9 [; Q0 Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 ]6 t# {/ d9 ~$ F4 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 g$ y$ X9 f- ?* A5 N

( t) Q5 e: f  P# u% SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # R$ C! X% a. s* k
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: i7 M' M/ r0 N0 N

/ p2 n5 \, Y( k! l* o9 P( z. O5 LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 ~) C3 h* V% f. C, p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 O; a4 d- B" L) W: q9 h"不信也沒損失"
+ `! Z( r% |# g# S- ?4 OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 y& ^7 H  [; K9 rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 c9 @5 Y5 e  X, U* P0 ?3 c3 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ |) P9 D9 ~/ X9 Q+ x1 A5 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# q4 i3 f1 }* E$ k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% D/ i* \; Q/ i3 P$ d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* R5 A! O0 l1 N( h1 `1 G& I% F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 n( G" b& O+ o- U$ Z

9 s) Z/ t. O% d, X8 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. D% \/ \% \2 z& b% r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& m8 c$ L! i1 s/ G
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- a- {% h5 r+ K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- C  F: l0 ]# b: ^' I

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% T3 M& _( [, ?1 p! G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ ]  \0 p& y) j2 i

! r2 w% i. {: L" K5 X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& ~. E) U- x4 x) M

6 u' |' x+ y: `( v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 D- l, W1 f7 h4 Z$ b' z* _- P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# G  V- S4 N; ~5 S, z9 P

* l9 B6 |& j- [; wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, L# D5 l3 N( o7 Z2 p6 V9 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.