Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 S5 U5 A( z9 b$ [: ^4 T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- R6 U; l0 y/ O( t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 F' r* H6 ~# e) y5 Q+ a& W& ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ S* e4 \- O4 m5 }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 w/ _5 Z( r: u3 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 W4 c0 @1 b8 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& h; ^$ S7 o2 H% l9 c& e

2 y2 p( b; }5 ^1 L# l% J' qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% a7 i- k7 `- F2 T& @0 E7 T: U- w, W8 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 l# s0 N; @, R6 J8 x' v$ b5 v4 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 t! M2 F5 ~2 H5 _2 ^) J; y: x6 B! S
真的!!這不是反話
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& z- Y% I3 t3 t5 G所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ o) m9 _8 d. F" c4 C) x( x* l5 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," u+ `1 ?# a9 p- B7 X) }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 U7 H. F9 o- Z5 s. i3 r' A4 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 Z& [! v6 k' x* n

1 |1 e7 e" a& NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 u) H; w) V: I, J: {2 n, \  s6 ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* Z* a5 Q) g7 G0 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 |4 ^8 Y; ~7 h, c& l, R' ~% _"不信也沒損失"
% I4 D* t5 o  dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- a. [; e9 Z  c# [1 x/ R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- o( y! V( J  W; b

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + c. z- ^9 R0 y+ [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", x/ _( Q/ G% p4 I, q0 r) m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ E0 ~9 K7 t' e* C% A6 I: i4 o) V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  _6 i5 P$ C7 }- }, S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 D" h1 K# J% k- P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' u7 j; g7 i% W% |9 E0 b! z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," h5 U- @6 X3 t8 Z3 O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 O" c5 C# t% E# g, c

2 h2 t; m% H9 i- k7 T/ y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; I+ Q7 p0 O- }) |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* c4 l( J# ]7 z" \0 P

$ P# N# K: G, _+ k. V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# ^' x2 s  d3 O5 L& x( a/ d. q" |- N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 w8 E1 C# i4 [, z* X
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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  }0 Q7 p" a' Y+ S[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. }2 K! e: k+ R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ O8 [/ w! j9 ^+ _1 C3 S# P8 k$ N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 `6 }: X3 I7 R4 U1 H6 k7 ?

5 u+ `3 `0 e; C3 u0 O' Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ m8 O* `0 u5 e+ u) k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& H. B+ P( J& g2 c( `5 w& V: V9 `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; W: y! s. G( M* X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! D# x9 [8 s; R8 bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.