Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 ?* ?1 I4 `, {6 a0 Q; G  V9 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 Y- E; V0 ^( D% j9 O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ P3 B* T8 A9 Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( c1 ?% w; g+ ~/ K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# b& p" o8 K9 ^# U) A- s$ A$ Y7 N! [. Y) BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 }4 j- W: T( |8 w7 w: J) fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 \5 l) }' [# i

5 A- `4 t! q3 E& y! x, P5 B1 H% R4 sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: `  \! B, A. A! B  c& p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 R9 V5 Y& X, F# o( ]- u我只不過微小的基督徒...................; M$ c" d9 l" A: m0 n
真的!!這不是反話
$ m3 C0 }4 u# z, T! P5 r. W因為我是情感比理性強的人* _( U% A6 V+ l- N( _, k5 n4 c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. L+ J% I: I- t4 A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- D- r# H  @, D4 K9 {$ y6 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 i& g8 Y, H# z7 d5 k- u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# Z0 j. H) M" T# C! V6 U' N
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# W9 A. q5 u! e- yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ `. C2 {6 q; c. H5 [- O

9 v: V. w. D7 b$ D' K5 u/ n$ I  o! ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 z' Q; O6 E5 i5 N. y6 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. o9 o- h( y/ G( R$ y+ i' xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 W4 k1 t3 A0 J# m$ j" mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% [6 T1 ]! G' |3 h1 |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". P9 q% u! V% q! N( y" c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 d1 v- X% S: [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- d4 ^& v. c6 y5 h9 B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 T; F) }& Z! C) z3 j8 u0 y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 n+ Q' z9 A- m6 `' L1 R% Z$ @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: s9 F- z: W& G" A8 N( B0 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! \) E- t& o  b7 q+ A  o4 p1 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ \/ w4 Z- S. J1 ^  d) w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. @8 _$ J0 H: F/ f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ ]/ X. Q, e4 |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) j4 W  w& |) ^5 M
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% }$ I7 c9 Y1 r8 }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
6 M& Z5 ?" f, N, f看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ S+ k: L- M# T  v9 I+ m$ @9 e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% H/ T& I# h8 Y* t- e; F

/ u  V0 e' H* B& k7 h+ w( [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 n3 f; E7 ]* i1 V3 o

1 f% X5 c% ?+ w3 B$ C+ c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( T% i  ?+ j9 k8 A, q% X& F- O+ _; |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 Z/ m$ J+ C2 w6 K1 I' p( C
.............信耶穌... ...

2 [" h7 k) ?$ k2 x; g" a0 h0 LRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.