Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, Z( ^6 t; t) g( h# L, ~. C: N道理我知道好多只係做吳到  A$ j& B% b& C. @' p) s0 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 Z2 Q+ n9 z6 ]: c( C' o4 y* E( m

- B1 \; A! O( R! b' T: O# tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., X, h0 W$ @! r4 _3 c

: O" `" ^# Z5 G1 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 ~. r/ i' \, a& y3 p* F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 F8 ?1 _6 t( i  S$ j) a+ k我只不過微小的基督徒...................( c: R( g6 [0 |4 Q6 ~
真的!!這不是反話
! _$ y# q* z- D' m5 B: ^- M/ b因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 F. r6 m6 a$ t# \4 R' c4 Y2 Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 v9 I7 |& ~4 s! U( t: b; B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L0 s# ]9 l! m8 r8 n# ]% [1 a6 h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; C: ^. W' E9 m5 n6 L1 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 ?( D, w' k$ G- |What a statement we have here?
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* Y/ v/ f3 C6 Y8 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 g; ?: B! X3 h/ V! z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& w* |+ R6 C9 ~& `+ u) g: ?2 yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" S6 l* w- O1 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ ]" l6 T$ B, v) A" Y- G# KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 T/ k9 c' a$ P0 D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  H6 ~3 {4 P+ J* G: F9 a% R. }' C4 B; Y! d
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it's starting because we have sins......# l$ l: y/ H+ z; @) K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! U9 a2 y# ^# R0 a. k, D+ K/ Y5 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 O: Z% H" e6 M+ s9 r% _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ Q$ ^( _5 Z+ q+ A, L6 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 u9 V3 e$ M+ S  _8 t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% j: q/ h. M. r# v5 h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) _( j2 i0 Y) p# R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: P" X/ `* Z) c% _+ D. _  t; u- e

6 J/ A' U* U& V" ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 X0 N- }* o/ O: U- `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 U) P& W& C5 Y; M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 C1 q% i6 J$ U1 O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 U' K. O0 q: ]1 r* Z- [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ }$ h) M  n: e, `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 `+ r4 h% p' v8 p( m7 _" c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. V0 e/ M+ k+ ?$ P4 j4 P% `
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ Q/ @5 ~, `3 q2 ~

) h. M0 d0 w) ?7 `% b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 b! Q$ P7 D. B3 j* K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* w; n& e- j: {/ i- m+ U9 D

3 v. T9 }) {& l' F2 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 N; d5 S/ g8 y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 W# E, ?1 p! U5 b. Y0 Q% P.............信耶穌... ...

( _  `/ k! Y( _* z) fRegarding the resurrection....4 p. g6 ?) A2 x0 X% M( Z, E
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.