Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# c5 [3 G7 F5 l, K$ g: g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% `7 U1 [3 {+ u6 c9 s# {. q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: J6 l# k  [. L0 U; S6 w+ s道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( m; S, a( `) H5 ^( E2 M: z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- @7 q0 p. D" ]: d0 R1 V

: S3 I) s' Q% K: x1 _1 T9 Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: S7 H, f' n& [8 @6 `! M+ f

1 U- u" ?# m' f! n7 astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! A  I& G( G+ W6 c/ {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 Q" z' R1 D$ ]+ m" `' x我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 L: h+ b5 D" x! O% t# Z8 s
真的!!這不是反話
6 R4 x$ H: F' K- t, c/ p因為我是情感比理性強的人) D" K: Y, Q6 Y) n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) j6 Z1 F" d0 w! }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ D+ n# t% o# h, H) S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 v9 |: x0 f5 y$ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 x9 ^' o2 T& ^What a statement we have here?
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; x& F! D7 ~, KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 a, ]6 E5 x. W  p
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ K3 _% q* o/ J2 v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* M  m5 n1 Q7 G
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 a. l7 `0 c5 Q"不信也沒損失"
* z* v* d' I  c6 B" f; LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 {0 M& j3 x( ]) g7 f$ N* u" O5 K# c; w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 W7 w6 I) b5 B* Y

, v- P6 h, `$ D% z+ B5 L2 \it's starting because we have sins......+ l2 I& i. @' a' ^  T: w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 I. T0 Y# Q" }' _, qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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/ [3 x2 T& ~( w1 `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; g* j4 z; z6 W( }( T* _1 `- a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' c( a2 |; n0 y2 E, W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# D8 k: K2 c; \) K7 A  i8 P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 K7 ]+ Y9 Q. Y" y0 @5 }! L

: g1 x* P8 H* q) a  C1 s+ u: I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 B2 z& j8 k( {: q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) g9 h) d4 N4 u6 g

( v0 c2 \2 Y' Y2 s2 B6 v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 f8 M# N$ b! L3 ]  e, v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 K! B) X0 Y6 M! p; Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 i2 [1 l7 X; T7 o

8 p/ O1 k6 k1 x9 s( E8 k8 T宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," D# u! X  Y: T" [! V3 Y# Z4 I$ J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
" P: i5 ~) b# b( R: J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 r* z0 x, C7 W# B2 e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 |! x% g4 B8 {1 y* L6 q2 {, T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ `3 Z0 c2 {9 w  g* I3 j% t- P" E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., S2 i7 h7 B% v& o7 ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.