Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 Y+ j! u% J( |$ M- a; `+ a7 }5 s4 a, {我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 K1 l: W; G# j0 z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* U5 I* b5 {- y- e/ \$ {1 j5 v8 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, C: a$ N, t) p- V* A& n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ R  U1 b$ U  C+ U7 `% f( b9 Z$ GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! I. I) Y2 Y. ^- x5 D0 C$ a; D0 P

, j3 N3 {, ^9 b1 j4 w( b. h4 ~0 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 H  P! [$ Z5 T/ Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 Q9 Z2 j% Q& y& E' {0 a9 Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' u, C% ~) O& ?! o# ]我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ N4 H( i5 f, N1 T- x
真的!!這不是反話0 y: G3 H) P5 i3 `) E( H' u, A
因為我是情感比理性強的人: m2 y8 S- b2 a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 g, t. A# [- x" N: h) }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; z6 k: F1 K% M$ I& k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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" o6 a$ n+ V/ h# V2 z4 R; [. mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 A& `* n, d3 h6 |7 l7 D

9 ]3 o2 c- E% x) c3 pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." u& q) \: |" ]2 m( X0 b

4 Y  T7 a2 O) s% A' y, C! hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 S: f+ l. Q7 @

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  `9 |" l* Z+ Z9 n# G" M  c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, `9 z7 ?- W7 MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 ?; Y& }' I' K) g& m: y( W: W  Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* `* Y6 \! x; A) e

) Q: Y" A! B8 A8 Oit's starting because we have sins......
. U7 Q! {, b1 O2 x  V+ y) a2 Vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( c0 @6 d; K( C- Q( s( t' X( d4 z6 V3 X: \7 Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* t2 _# K# D. g3 A% A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! R# `2 F% M5 K7 b3 W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* E' _+ }$ C. B, V' B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 B. l' t! P8 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  Z; q  p( o4 o7 e+ [: Y6 M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! ~7 _0 j% M6 a/ o! B& C/ R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ g- h8 Q2 l& p2 D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  S0 J2 w& j% f
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 v4 c6 `1 ^/ Y) G6 b# T* I$ }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ N; ?# C3 Q8 \+ q3 e# l" c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ c7 q" i/ J- b7 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& ^; S. f9 m! X: c

) w. ]9 a7 r7 [% q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 i7 a& y) ]* b+ H# R5 ^' @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 n# k0 y9 L: q

0 [% n4 S$ x8 f6 M/ O/ a# `- p以下是其他人的見解,( `; n0 w9 Z+ W$ `" W5 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
- o' `0 H  J9 E' M0 M" k. j3 thttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ v# ^/ r# s1 f9 B

  ]! z( l2 P8 g$ {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ l. M; {# ]7 K2 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 |4 E( t3 k9 v: p
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- R( U) O. c) V" {+ h5 C2 l
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.