Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' c, ?6 i  z7 x, _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ k1 E& `1 \& C- N# e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! N3 o" x- |0 b* S' o3 u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  E& B1 M( l, m# ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" z% i: h+ F) A0 U' K/ m8 T2 H

7 _' D+ H8 S; r8 [7 W$ YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 y1 {% Q. Q6 i3 ]) _* w8 o( U9 ^
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; g% r' x8 i1 R  X0 N: Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" c6 u( L( |, {2 b, [: S5 ~, S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& B6 o5 @! z- |. j真的!!這不是反話+ Y8 H. t; X0 N$ T+ j* r& c
因為我是情感比理性強的人! ?9 D8 _, u! G8 W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ d" X" ]$ q0 T$ W' O" b2 F9 U9 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," U) y, ~) f0 m5 S4 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... a8 e1 S. s& c# @! u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 ^" d% Z/ C4 e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" f; ^* H6 a/ v% }* x/ lWhat a statement we have here?& w; ~) e% V7 R4 a! J' V9 P3 w* ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / m7 u% P; `% ~8 N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 W$ H. Y( W5 F- l$ l9 C5 ?
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 j0 B3 g4 q4 L6 a$ h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! _$ C7 y0 @! V' M/ a"不信也沒損失"4 |% f! ]1 O( w$ j9 z. i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 E' R( I9 L  z: n! Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* G( F6 }7 o0 ?8 ?
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it's starting because we have sins......% y$ v+ `4 k; k7 {; @' g! a: U* X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 A, s2 r( m' |+ l/ T/ ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# ^# I  ]; l8 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. n  u: {; V& X- L% e. p* E用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 x1 p$ @* n6 m) A7 y4 _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# T. M5 V# R: y' e$ \' E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, g" d4 B) V+ f7 o0 i% }1 ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) S9 q0 ]9 d2 a& h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ W0 _$ R! p& H5 C( M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 Z/ s4 \5 ]9 f% G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. l2 ~1 A7 m! }) f  P8 g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- ^( P8 H( B) t; Y1 m. y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: V3 u" M9 L- A5 w$ j2 J$ N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
+ L9 |1 `# F0 a* y. B# v1 e看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# w9 p3 c! z$ N: _' S, e0 m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ L1 P' `) y, u' S8 f! e

- L/ a- j% b$ K; n6 W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' n  g2 U0 j( Y4 B7 G% @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, R& Q$ A* U" p* W5 E. C5 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: {0 O! Z: j, t% Y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 t# c. x9 C$ O  f
.............信耶穌... ...

3 d4 w0 R& L2 |2 [8 b' MRegarding the resurrection....6 E+ ?2 }/ z. V# S

2 F, k: V2 ^1 c% `# aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... h3 E& X  A' j) h( Z$ x, U' F6 L

7 R% `* h% E: q! _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.