Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* l/ ~9 E5 i, Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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1 a' u8 [7 T( W8 e- P道理我知道好多只係做吳到  A8 x, E8 o/ h/ ]2 i' k- S/ t$ f1 Z. z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: @4 ~/ z+ w7 k9 a: A

1 y, l5 k/ ?" b+ ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ N& {: h; W6 @1 P" J5 \: x7 p$ t
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 R3 y: a/ a7 r8 r9 X; b! C

) J' {; F- l0 n# c5 p; _! _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  @! h" B0 z/ x' b& \# l4 t$ [4 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 P- x; L6 f* {! F# ^* L! b+ {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ f$ S6 l& y/ A  S8 f  V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. A/ H* R( c; c( x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 e' o/ H9 D- V: T) H& b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. U6 L$ n8 ]2 A' @1 I) lWhat a statement we have here?! ]7 f3 T; B' \8 U- \7 |* q+ Z

7 h: w, F3 U: mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ ^! @6 J) J6 q/ F/ s' TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- _1 U4 L7 L0 V. {- s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 o+ f/ i1 ~5 }1 [: [3 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 r& N4 q  }8 c9 }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - F4 _1 p& A1 `% x% j8 f" X4 L$ Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 o7 E- R. {$ X: ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 Y# ]% L. f; s( T! T' v2 ^& {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( Y. g; V0 V% q. i  |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 U$ _2 m. R+ B- t* Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% c0 P& L8 r: d$ P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% p( R" q( h4 e7 O8 I/ c- e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 O5 r  r6 Y* f: I3 u7 r; Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: ]: B* C& h% n" C5 Z& J0 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% k& `$ k; s5 @+ u- x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 W' x' K% z6 U& t5 l2 o" E) o
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 `) \8 i* P* H0 R/ ]4 h% b

8 Q" e& ?# o0 ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 V: j! `) ?* Q" x1 L% U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; b% p" b, m  l7 s- M# t, W以下是其他人的見解,5 C* D2 z6 A) v; F0 U' h( J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# ?! T* Y) ]' p& w0 |  g+ r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 G5 @5 a( `3 z  z2 V. W

7 \9 t5 A  Z2 \, F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" ?1 \: F) C: m7 |8 M

% y) x0 B  R5 R* x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....! ~+ @5 {  o8 A
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# F& @8 I' ~8 g: h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.