Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  m( S; J# D' h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- s" N- G. U9 s& z; q# y  x道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ T5 I' ~$ f# Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. z2 D0 T8 U7 N* s# l0 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! A; |% i8 i) X. y1 ^& c$ ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 P( w  Q2 P2 s7 N4 d5 P. |

2 X$ |" y% S$ K/ m" V: }, w# Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 V: n; r# p$ k' Z, }4 ?8 [1 q+ {# f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! Z8 I0 X' I' I4 j: r' a
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." `: Z+ c' p1 x0 W1 d! L
真的!!這不是反話
/ n9 J; y( E1 g& e因為我是情感比理性強的人
* f6 X' T  j& p5 s2 e) R; d% Q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 q$ i; o* g& I; Z7 t. P" f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 ^1 @( s* ^" T& l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& I' T1 ^1 ~7 X8 }7 i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) R0 F" T4 k8 p/ ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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: K% m$ v$ O$ @+ H" eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  q6 r  X/ |) _! M. MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ F9 n- ?& w, v( d, p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 _5 a. L) Y% Z2 t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 Y+ {% X, D# M5 X"不信也沒損失"( Q& h) U/ t+ \+ T6 H6 v/ X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! p% i/ b% i: j4 Y$ w, ?2 z( [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 ~3 a9 h1 }1 \8 N& fit's starting because we have sins......2 Q2 |/ i6 I: j/ p9 C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# g  J. J4 n$ \  M4 K0 P- X+ w9 dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 v7 O  X1 M4 O. t% e) ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- W' `8 h) n; w, _$ Y+ |. J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ o+ E! K( A. ]: k2 v+ m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% X% [: o) ]; v$ y# k$ I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 e' r6 Y& I  H9 J" b2 `/ u; y* O& L. R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. w$ t9 B5 m& u; K6 B# Z& C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# R0 o7 n: h/ O* _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! M% F( d: H$ i) q5 H/ X) X

1 ~' X9 }$ X1 S& B- L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 i  O+ n7 [' W改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 n2 P. H* H, K2 H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 m. W* P0 z8 H3 e# H% W宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# p* ]/ l) t9 L1 J

, K9 g, y8 F2 N- ^吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 X# D  l7 u9 E( _+ K4 y8 W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, O7 m! O4 @4 z% r* E

! m+ y* f* c! A0 j' E: c: Q+ u4 E以下是其他人的見解,6 I+ [* v8 y$ V6 Y3 ?7 `
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ h% f0 d* h8 n$ A3 W: \
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* q1 \2 B0 E" f% h) ?5 d* ~: G

: X- D0 S& B( d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' R/ `% P" @/ D& X! k% O

3 \! a9 y7 U# E" L5 |. b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  o) T3 ]6 M* L* B% o2 ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 c3 b) w  Q3 b& D同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  Y3 R- p0 W5 F, h' K& N$ I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.