Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" m3 t/ I+ x1 g8 z" i8 G3 F$ p5 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( ^( U5 g8 D5 v  }4 p; f) l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% l- P. q: [0 f# R! v7 M+ r; C$ |) O道理我知道好多只係做吳到- m, o4 I" s6 b7 V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; p3 A' W1 T+ [

  f+ H* F( o: g; v4 x. UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 v# v5 q' ^$ n* ~6 m2 _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- v6 ~) F0 f' _3 Y3 F! U5 n

. l$ q8 Q" W" Z6 l  d& D8 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& d4 s- m+ \4 h: Y. t8 i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ O& T, O5 t( S7 G/ H) i$ p# q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# v9 _# R1 B( f$ P4 n6 |  U9 ^9 o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& w3 _2 ~$ d  C, A# N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' O4 E' |- e6 C4 u# P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 B5 l& T& S+ E7 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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) W+ R  u* O. FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 N& d: N( f; L8 V- j7 _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 ~$ Y: T' W; L( B& N5 W

  j7 f9 M$ L% t/ t" q7 g; A2 nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: g% x+ Q* {3 s+ K
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* Y$ q: _) \5 K. ]"不信也沒損失"
: \. I! p( P- YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) x) V1 {. D2 H2 y1 B& x6 S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 R* ]* j! }/ a2 E9 g
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  U+ V! n/ C# h3 b6 S3 p  y, d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, v" B; k7 u7 v3 b: w' v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; i7 Z% x4 U0 l/ v% N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 f6 @& x8 z7 m. g2 h5 J- G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 {- R- \" D% h. b2 K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ e' e# \$ k) c4 S2 B' ^/ z) n
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 K0 L& V. X3 a. Y0 l- N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. T2 a0 c9 X8 l8 j9 J$ u8 M( ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 W* A& ?7 }* u; ]% f( F/ b' W; [1 L/ v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- E1 h! l  G/ m0 ]$ I/ E' ^5 \9 \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 v& L) [/ v! x0 S& Q
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm. {# R' E; U" r7 R* t

6 d. c" j# d$ s/ ~& c3 W[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 ^5 y1 l3 Z( }/ k5 ]& f& Y2 X$ H

6 x; n0 a/ W+ q5 S信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ m, _8 r0 _8 L! [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, h1 B: M7 \. j, p

# u' d% w+ I" N. Y7 }' M, R" J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 P* t% g1 d' ~2 L% _; X9 R! y

5 r5 ]: `( x# _" r" V. Z( w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* v$ e. n5 p/ b# |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 B/ u& X9 k' A& p9 d, k7 }" i

  b, t# s% P( Q1 R8 p/ uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.