Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( v, s( Q3 r: V, _9 k% C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 Z! D3 k; b- \* z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" f# Y* M! u3 [) B: r道理我知道好多只係做吳到  A& b+ L# [. U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 h* L9 X) h* n/ `+ [2 p. l* INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( z4 h0 }2 x! b

3 q/ X" B& d) S5 `7 e" cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 K& b% Q" r5 z

- K1 {3 I' T% U( D1 j, @5 mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 G7 L$ O/ {) n+ }4 \3 L; k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* \- Q* ~# z0 w7 n6 N- q, o1 h/ ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 H* a# k) ]& C+ L" i& L$ `: Z
真的!!這不是反話  u, _# r2 f: Z( k1 V: c" Y/ e
因為我是情感比理性強的人  V; L% u/ K* G- p( u7 K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' N* _8 s7 h1 Y( a0 u; ~- e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% q- |1 r% T$ g9 n( H9 g3 i+ r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 T0 M  @* D1 Y& s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' M; ^' c0 Z# v& W9 ?2 |/ [What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' h9 j+ ]0 I% R- \0 w! z/ Z0 i6 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' X4 J) Q% `1 @& D. K9 nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; D: e) R8 d; A: ]
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; P# J1 ]0 B1 o0 @: i( v1 W9 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, u# s- y$ V" E" B8 l& f3 R0 X+ qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; I3 g3 @. s9 `9 ~' v) `& h4 z& rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 f1 y- s" J$ {9 N+ N7 S
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it's starting because we have sins......6 [" v4 C  d3 K. R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * z7 _. c9 C1 G2 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; ~" j  n/ ?9 ^4 ^4 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' B4 Y, N! F/ U" Z: A4 i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 ~+ o2 K$ H4 k/ F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; [  `! c! C5 Y5 r3 {8 u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, Q- j& y( o" P; i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- e$ z3 V, O) O5 ?8 Y5 P1 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* @, n1 [' Q) [0 j, L2 c8 X4 J0 o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 r9 U; B9 O+ _# T9 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 m% Q- j+ F4 l4 }3 o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" S9 R/ J, a6 R; Z0 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 [& ?; S3 u6 C; ?) c! f
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 ^  W3 D5 h& V! b: S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 |. i# f$ o$ u, ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. a. [: ~- J* |. j# r! m以下是其他人的見解,
: i; R- \0 a9 P* j1 B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 K9 O+ `$ t# M6 z# [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, j) j( w) O7 ?" Q* Q! {' }
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  S! V9 [1 d8 `9 c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' Z8 s+ D7 u( E# }.............信耶穌... ...

% e: J" D. f& ?( k+ `Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 J! u; [; t; S2 }+ c
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.