Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 Y4 o+ e2 W) F# D我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ F4 Y, l8 Y4 m* h' K: W, ?  V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 ~) W$ u; E) K. n, A4 I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! \' n; k3 S$ m1 s  y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." _$ X% n* _5 c9 O' }( z' L: s1 p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 {7 B  o# d$ |( ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& R- L: n5 x% B7 f# N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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. y! ]! t& M7 x1 P$ @因為我是情感比理性強的人& x3 B: [" \: j' h( q) t+ Q0 x7 }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) [) w& t" M  I. @: b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) y" E1 H- l" C0 O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( ]$ x7 T2 T4 {& S/ @. Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! A. z& f7 g& M4 I7 I7 e( c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 Q8 l% s6 R! ZWhat a statement we have here?& k7 L+ K) R  K
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# d% h! u' S, c8 ]# ~* P! a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 h0 w0 g% d; r% u, o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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( W, Q5 B8 O" X  }( e"不信也沒損失"
- a, |( N8 m# \2 p$ nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ X9 a( R" Q( |/ E3 ?/ p" Z8 `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 W, l, M2 C6 k7 {4 q/ m; P
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 W3 G- g) X$ [6 Z/ X/ Q' ]! E只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( `4 V& S; e7 z8 t2 D4 P% v
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 L# C$ ?' V( P7 ]  |, M/ i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, @; R, k* s& y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 `# g2 O1 F6 I1 {' e  Q( D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 v+ Q2 m% R0 U4 E$ q% Q. d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ C1 d: G, M7 V. `4 b

% K. V: T: d3 |: i" ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 L: d9 B5 }' w, {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" j4 p1 F2 t. C$ p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* p* ~) t4 ]9 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 M9 P: |. y7 w; t8 K2 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 @, K9 @. r& E( l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 X5 F3 L! \9 L/ U& O. }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- g/ e/ q- q1 ?. c3 ]# D
.............信耶穌... ...

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& q4 x5 p# T; R2 D: G3 _" ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.