Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 ^/ y- t5 I, i3 t. H+ l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! g- N$ F+ N3 {# I4 M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, V4 |/ Y' s+ `, s0 c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 Q# z! ?( F2 f* [/ XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 H4 x' a+ t- l$ |, T+ c: |$ P

8 X  @# j! d1 a# istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# F3 Z  Z$ ~+ D% U2 N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# \4 w  e6 s% A9 |9 i9 v  a) s) @* Q9 c我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ ]8 m5 @$ X' @2 E' f; p, [# b
真的!!這不是反話1 a" h- q6 g. b; Z$ V( _9 q) v! a
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 X+ P; h* z/ ?# A7 W5 I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ i% C& W2 L5 k7 f$ u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 n: U. B: m- h0 I8 \* k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 m' ?4 j* t, T) e  w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; }/ ?/ r0 s1 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 s  }& `& Y! V7 f7 bWhat a statement we have here?% ]: x8 c2 f" s7 i0 }2 H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" n* [) v" J$ h5 G! HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! V, I: \$ d$ }+ Z- y- U# o

7 i; A1 Y7 |! QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: {: G# b' ~4 c8 b1 I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 _, Z! H  J5 {( I4 W. Y' a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, U; G  v, V! d  rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 s% t" F* F- D* q( E" C8 ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 \- P" p- W. r, ?& W# C. z. ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* `, Y; r0 s. q$ e! _& your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! m  k- U, q7 z& Z; |1 t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 z9 D& W( x, h4 W( W6 X- [# X0 ?8 m" L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' q* `' J# n0 |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% s0 `! B  p4 _) v- m$ r' `5 d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ i8 ^# K+ e2 D" P) V1 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 I* p4 o1 c8 M: E1 F, P

* j" f! a4 d- x% J. ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' G7 i+ ]. @3 e% q) F改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 F: h' @& a2 v6 C1 N3 {
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 Y/ w, Y: i# w& q+ q, x
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 X' N3 q! G2 K6 n1 x8 j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 h2 G0 _6 ^$ r- m
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以下是其他人的見解,. W, \: I- ]# [! a- m# P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 V; j7 ^1 z+ }3 u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 K7 F* {  J; D/ k* |, f3 E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' s9 ^# r1 L. y- S8 p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- A! k4 T( {+ ^  K( x' i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  o; M0 Q' h# ~: Z/ {
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.