Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( a. u' l6 L6 R' m5 [: ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, z0 b  F; c8 D# f8 J7 h5 K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# ~3 _3 [) Y6 T# V+ g1 u+ J+ ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 T2 @! Y7 n/ D2 w+ w# b

; ]  z/ o, ]4 s& J$ Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ N! u. o2 E: d% C3 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 z/ S- a, D) H0 v所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 [  |$ ~* R. Y! ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- R) N) A+ b; i) i$ c8 u
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 T0 E# a" B, r& y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& D5 F7 s$ b6 k+ V* L
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - j" b9 [8 ^) u- R3 y% m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* C7 \) i- J1 o: k' G  J; n
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ n4 d7 s0 P  _
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) |/ m: O" V$ x) u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- `! C% A& m' C0 J& `- V"不信也沒損失"
4 O8 _# w& d# t% L) l/ RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 b" j9 W! `4 V7 F0 T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 y+ t1 d' [' x
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* |6 k1 k7 U. j; [+ W) v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 {" ]# s& p' L1 U- z0 E) ~0 {; B" a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 _$ A7 i  h2 [/ f# u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ n# q( V" `1 ?3 O$ s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ R4 @0 \) L2 ~& K  J一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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3 B7 ?2 K" L, W# y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ d- ^6 g# y. H4 t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) \6 k& X0 R& c" h( @+ {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 l3 d! M" g' e$ s' x以下是其他人的見解,
0 A5 t' R  b+ ~# k看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 P5 m) b) z/ \) b# s( b, u9 e+ m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* L* x; e; \6 i# {9 y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( N! q, Z. F9 R

0 I3 o( |- D2 f( w( F: ]% x% ^7 _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 T: V  i4 O" x* [3 ~' ?& o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 @8 p% I% X6 V5 \; M$ c.............信耶穌... ...

* G# l+ S; J& i& Y+ T8 hRegarding the resurrection....  K9 ?! E7 d: T% ?) V8 n4 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) g( E. j0 p% ]1 T- t9 a* ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.