Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! o4 M3 S% B, M( X! k% y( ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ Z3 I% |2 }% u% x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& S2 s5 M. H: }+ o7 J$ ?. b道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 {8 L/ n2 e$ g: }% Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ G; i- N, F, k( G4 N1 N, z( s% L4 {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& p$ f6 C/ P) ^2 G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 Q& Q/ d0 ~# y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 F# ^+ T6 L4 D: L1 V我只不過微小的基督徒...................: a! |" z& Q) J6 t- n6 @2 T# b
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 ]! M6 d0 v# v- I, f) ]4 y9 u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) m, P6 z1 W! z2 h9 \+ Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 u% `- Y  i4 q2 z" U9 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ v' d2 Z: Y7 \( rWhat a statement we have here?7 F( {( G* W2 P2 g% W* O

" @+ V$ y! v5 }8 @: xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; N1 E& B1 \; }# z; e5 h

/ r9 n+ i) H( D. |; II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 d2 o+ J& y+ J: \2 \6 |
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 L, Y0 A/ f; F7 G, G7 l3 U& N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# A8 d/ q8 p$ N, a$ h* hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. }% A( U" [9 U3 O% [# n4 r0 E: nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ y2 }* @. D! Jit's starting because we have sins......
' v. E# a8 M- u0 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 i$ x5 X# h, D0 u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 {! R* W6 t; V+ y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 |( ^9 A4 l9 x7 z% R! K* U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; Y1 v/ ?# V/ r' e& @$ l; y, `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ F1 ?! |$ m, C2 x' g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 _0 q; H0 R: k, D5 X2 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ D) X! I; {- m2 l0 p; v
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. y9 K6 Y% S* [3 Q# z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 M- M6 Y' T; z$ t- k% Q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- k1 v: _. v# z! ^$ B2 \2 {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 \2 \6 x& ^' j  z1 I; B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ g6 Q& Z3 ~# ~9 g& x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. ?$ c- y' w4 r5 v, U6 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& `) `4 N% `/ c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; w$ u, N8 J0 ?

4 C0 C, l% E) y+ y2 p同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' ?: L" j) {* A
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 p  B' |( F+ b; @! v+ S# AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.