Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& l* O. v1 s9 U+ c# I; {$ E我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 @; m9 Q% J/ {5 C6 h6 C4 l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ ?- B) o1 v" `$ u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% D6 S) v5 `7 ]" y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" M: D' x: G$ w9 Z" q! W4 xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 x6 [; Y3 h6 Q, d
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- a8 m5 _* t- P9 e% v' Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: H! x* ]3 p: r/ a6 `) G5 o4 A% u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
: a) T& n1 d* q: I真的!!這不是反話# Z, i$ N% l" R3 p; ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 j+ N3 d$ p5 ~7 j9 h" n6 T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 ]0 l# t* H, L, U" O  Z8 o$ E  U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
# p$ |5 V( b$ Z# U: \正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 Y6 F4 d( O! s( B- a4 J7 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 l7 T- f7 G) t5 h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 t( \" i* V3 n3 u% U, |5 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 c$ h# A* @0 _  S( o: e4 F* @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 l5 z$ W) I6 ^3 C3 ~7 ^( R"不信也沒損失"& F0 S) A3 \( i3 p3 K# \5 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 x. G1 J8 c( G( `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% ?2 m6 S0 U( F) Jit's starting because we have sins......
0 q; W! @: r3 O9 I& n/ osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' d. v1 C2 r" T% y6 n  }8 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; l4 p, U8 g& r0 o1 D* f2 x8 l" M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 h! F6 T; L" H; z: [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 }) p! S# [- x% J5 [+ j- P4 z5 L+ \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ W$ w1 k. V% G- u0 \! c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 U: x) `5 }. q' ?) {" z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 L6 }6 g) h6 L9 K

0 O3 y& J# t1 m2 A* C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, R* m! i2 `. v1 E! d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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% J0 b. V2 H$ Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 M  b7 f3 L: ]6 N3 O1 e

7 P8 k+ z8 D8 q, E3 ?( k1 _9 H# U宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 ^  a6 y, n8 }2 W% o( a. t! b( [' r9 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& [* [, g1 E7 o( e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 n) m- M( q' I) l- r以下是其他人的見解,
; C; U3 F6 G4 U看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 P8 O% U: B6 u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  N5 \8 f5 y8 C/ Q( w: m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ d) w1 ^5 D. ]% V4 m
.............信耶穌... ...

* b0 U5 R: T1 M0 JRegarding the resurrection....
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3 Z' X0 F% t8 hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 y, g- W) |% w$ V0 T3 ?  ]

8 f+ ]8 L$ e: U9 A; DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.