Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! u2 }9 a1 ~' u# M* t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 g0 B  k4 y" V  O/ n& z" E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ U6 a1 y& |' T2 j; j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& ~1 j" Z7 U* b4 U2 o. c
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& t) b9 g0 X5 [. M% G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# }$ Y- v9 C/ [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 v* b4 R+ L2 S# s. w3 @
真的!!這不是反話6 |/ v1 |8 Y0 d6 D# D0 T; A
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 p* u% F: j) z" w, r/ L1 a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 p. a  P" G1 X, V, k  ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. p! W- q' |- N' `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 z( a; ?4 x' T+ Q- W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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1 J; \  z7 x! M" g3 h) i% HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& C6 w& ?/ f: ~( @4 _9 LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  j7 j& ]8 B: f2 p! d! D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ P# E; c. m0 w9 m8 \+ Z! T: G, u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 F' u. @& ^% ?0 sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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% B5 F  d/ v- ^$ w3 _it's starting because we have sins......+ y; r& x' t: u3 }" G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ J+ A" Q3 D* ?0 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" P( L' ?0 Z4 d9 m  a: {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 [: D+ O/ O/ j  u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 s% }. r+ m" ]) u5 j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 n" H8 c4 i* v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 E* R# R% j2 M( X# H* r( d
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,& e1 F" c$ \$ @* S" ]* w: E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 n& E# n! o5 ?, b7 p9 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, ^5 {- }5 C* b3 i

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# e5 x9 N6 A+ Z* C# o3 n

; h, l0 f  e: N; Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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7 Y$ }+ J% T" e& k8 X+ a3 kRegarding the resurrection..... q& k7 Y3 ]- c; ]8 z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.