Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' I' O( R% e+ _: v8 e5 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 W( E* _  B# \/ @' Z) u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- Y2 v# F- Y9 }0 t2 D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 Q/ P" P% |7 R

1 z8 q& U( P; o( t! H+ w# u( j( |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& r8 d5 O2 b# w3 T; b7 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 ^( X6 v9 V# o

: z0 B* g1 ]: k" Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; Y3 Z* }: `8 S" D& p1 Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% [. {( J; H) k6 N: B% e# Y; R" V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 r. k9 w8 S- ?/ m4 C真的!!這不是反話4 y+ L3 s' }! Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 X' Z8 x: U4 ^) l7 [+ {  d所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 B+ H4 ?" \1 L1 {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  }' }) I) P) k4 s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." X  `* d# W- m) c8 u4 k, s( m9 Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 K+ C0 ]1 c+ R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* _$ f! m* Q& d  u- r% QWhat a statement we have here?
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1 X+ }; g' E# e: AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 l0 w" }# g& k1 R) @. |5 ~
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# r% |+ Y" i: Y6 Y5 c4 t; W% ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# h  D+ v- b1 W  W: P7 u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! _: k1 |8 w9 Z  V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 l7 h$ g# J0 V7 B. m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# t) k0 W  `: @- @4 y% p1 zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; t, U/ D- \0 I6 P

! k0 ]* w9 y, Q9 y& L# |- \/ y5 zit's starting because we have sins......- i; @" X1 r3 H, |2 S3 p& ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 [9 f9 }5 {" R/ ~% r7 |8 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 k* k- a8 u1 p/ A8 ~- t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 C$ i3 b; g7 C' x' B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 B" x3 H- [7 x2 w; w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ Z* C! O; I6 V* N+ f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' N( A/ h4 j, u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ l. X1 d6 q( I- e' N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; P5 w- H& c- x4 [6 e- o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 g$ _' N8 T6 T6 j5 T2 W8 C  O) V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 O& R% i! E/ r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 S* Q, J2 e9 h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' i* S9 o- ?$ {" {( r

/ E7 d6 B) F( i' ~! @宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 }1 K% o3 u6 u/ s8 z$ ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 [6 x' Y+ C9 Z' a9 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& r, P9 p) S% N$ M4 o! q' _5 Y9 W

  I2 F- [' ~# B3 L7 i以下是其他人的見解,; d8 p+ y8 p9 M7 ~( {7 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' o3 }. V4 e! E9 @, T$ X5 r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm% p7 h; N, k; B1 i. s; c1 \# q

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ R  c' U1 w3 \( k+ M$ y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  w$ o; h$ g; t# c) w7 Y6 y2 b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 L( E9 c& t7 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 K! q. K% l; p9 p, d7 P, Y1 k( X.............信耶穌... ...

  V' N- E5 v7 e0 k  p/ ^Regarding the resurrection....  [' k9 Y/ }0 _* S( g

2 e2 O2 M" W! a" t0 o% w; e* lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 @& Q4 N! E& C) U; w( o& l1 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.