Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 q8 ^$ \" ~! q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( L) q: C. \- b( x. c又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) s, p8 Q, J" L2 L" F2 `! I1 j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  V. z! ]4 }8 O- d: P4 N+ ?$ c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  s, K( r5 ?0 T) v6 Y" Z7 u1 N) pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; x- L! T  D& ?9 a+ o0 j6 T. l' y

$ M; R, f- M+ A9 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 r0 O" x4 N! B* M$ J

+ Q: p' L- R, ]" }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& a0 L% U5 c( S6 p; p1 Q8 A: wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  E  k, {9 e5 d% @; D6 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................& X! t: a+ I1 z2 u7 e! m- u
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. ~, H2 J4 z. u- q. W2 X( \; k& O# J以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 U9 [: ]& f- Q3 B- \  {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* v2 o8 C0 e' h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 [- t/ `: O% p7 R1 K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  O5 A- S$ x( n8 Y9 mWhat a statement we have here?
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3 u0 `/ C; a( dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 n7 c7 R& a3 f3 t

9 Y7 y$ T. B& o# I( XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 B" g/ P" [8 g8 qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 q+ d" Q0 P. k, ^' [: g( j" M* d
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 P8 ]4 a8 j3 S; X2 ?1 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 J7 h1 J0 s, r3 J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: v  i% X! Z0 G2 I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ A8 H* |6 D' ]4 H7 D3 ^' Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 X: Z0 I& T3 }% T3 L6 gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 P. j6 q+ h" B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; `7 s0 P1 F2 f* L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ A! }3 R0 m; f7 A7 a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& P) l4 K9 w5 T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 _8 S* W: }- M2 l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ u) |0 H; s& @/ g$ l. q3 ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 r; v1 J8 A( f3 _7 S* F. e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ Q- {% w. {$ e  r  R: d

* I% R5 h* _, e1 B( {8 q" Z& O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 u1 _: I% Q  ~" h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) F- v8 Q$ o2 t, r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ p% A' K' g' H% Q/ N宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( T' s' F% t) r3 N* z8 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# J% L4 ?$ o% M" m' o3 D' G  s

' _$ d0 Y* p* p3 k( P以下是其他人的見解,3 p+ o5 v9 ]% g: j4 X, e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- `9 i! H2 N: n  Y7 O  _! B8 r5 h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 j  K- n% H- y4 |- M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% t( h* K+ ?- l7 F! x

4 N; V. w% d# x# ?8 s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" |4 Y( T8 Y" T( `7 m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 E5 G, D: o. H5 ?+ F2 i' B.............信耶穌... ...

3 @" R$ `( |) I+ B2 A1 hRegarding the resurrection....! z5 \; D/ Z1 T0 H! S1 Y$ l

' w  y, |1 y2 D* p0 r, e) OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 J& h3 W. ~6 t. O* ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.