Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 K5 n7 S! |% S5 `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 m- `5 D0 v9 e6 i7 f  ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( k" m$ X; O7 s: d+ j9 D$ ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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$ E/ m3 X) H" T: m, N; G( xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) p* K$ g6 \) n/ W3 I/ r& z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) l. c1 I7 B) T5 s% E$ q- H2 N0 ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ P+ w; p3 w% W" S0 f( O4 m& t% gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 V  |/ ]9 P; D" s# v; }. H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  ?' q( v2 c7 O5 _$ e& k我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 x8 C' \% a, E3 _4 I5 c/ {
真的!!這不是反話! d, m) p0 P8 p+ v  d5 ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人* s+ j( b: O* y" O7 }6 f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 n; V+ f& \0 s% @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 c3 @! g+ ^1 V8 _( L2 l8 p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  j! F/ N& b% S! e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( e! d, Q5 T4 T+ R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 N0 N. |1 |; {1 R( p0 J! rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 d+ S, x  j2 v7 d- g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. I' p+ i+ [' Q  J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! C; j2 g8 U! q+ _* H& n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! R; B5 X% ]# T* Z6 }+ t0 Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, |0 t2 f% H* D" n% e8 {it's starting because we have sins......) l5 G7 m& {, s1 e4 s  D5 F5 ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 r% w. q4 V; U% _% D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 b2 l" k8 R" x! D( I5 e7 _/ C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: Z: l- [8 R/ Y1 d# |3 ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: p, e) T" |! q0 r0 m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 R) h" I$ u! h1 D3 @7 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! _0 s* C, l( }  j; i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) X/ Q( N0 B/ [! x! V  F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 P) o* W' [" c% b0 {
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' a1 V$ v+ }) w6 a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: f4 X$ G: m! A. \; D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) ^' n! a8 |. m6 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" P) \4 l4 |$ p2 X

5 {, N  k% _' ^6 O( i% {以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 i) x9 N+ q  N. z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ [# a/ }4 \3 k
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: Q1 j# b7 s& x, r. C

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* Y/ _/ G, k# G
.............信耶穌... ...

: d. l4 Q# {( W8 u5 o; I9 rRegarding the resurrection..../ V; Z. R5 \) z- ^# c& C/ `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 b3 h. Q% e  X% l+ P/ _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.