Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# ?3 q: D  o# ]; T& O) }我係一個連自己都吳信的人  D8 [% f! p# ]! a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 Q- m2 \: X9 {* R5 E4 V) {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( S, l; j# d9 I7 v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 P5 e9 p9 R: D# t$ ^) i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' G$ l3 u/ a, e8 D

2 j7 p1 |+ `% z) h* Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; \/ N8 o* L; o' [4 s5 n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, w& ?) |: @3 P8 g+ q$ m我只不過微小的基督徒...................% x/ ~- o6 N, s% l2 m+ L# j$ W
真的!!這不是反話. y9 g1 \6 |$ U: y5 S' ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ X- M% U9 x/ x6 n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 e# W9 ?; H. v" s6 l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 {( _# I8 Q, J9 ]/ M8 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  c* V9 N0 c( q0 J( Y9 d7 ]* Z# NWhat a statement we have here?7 h- ?5 }3 w% T; ]( z; N7 ^

- I- `# W. ^. L3 JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % O5 b6 p& g! Q; {& x. o* v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 p' F& V2 ^. K  Q1 `

; }( u, K1 Y8 I  U! Q& ^9 M* }8 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: _" c) `3 h: k) s7 M
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ i' G: W' U$ v6 f4 U0 Y) k( [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' |5 n/ T. i; e; ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 U7 A3 K( R, t2 h$ k4 k# U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; V) u* f: ]# Y1 z" u/ Z7 K1 rit's starting because we have sins......
& Z& c# {5 |  V: }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 \. g( M2 K7 Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 e. g# a$ J8 c; e: V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& @% ?. Q/ t4 _$ p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 y4 R1 Q3 Y& X- O1 q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. S' [7 X, f% u, v, v+ |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ ?2 X3 T5 C5 [% g& G
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* w" q( }) {0 L! n8 i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) ~) X" p6 s( D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) S- N! `3 U$ r( K

6 R7 x" S+ z# t7 g. P" P宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 U% C8 i4 V2 S0 }8 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; e5 X. Q: I0 t/ r5 c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  }5 T- i) ~! F5 J
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' P) U: w9 w  q- }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ z) i- p7 L' H  o7 T9 w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% H5 U, h, [- O: U$ Z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 ?" p6 b( K& d. s4 q
.............信耶穌... ...

8 L' W1 Y) z1 ]( e. H) XRegarding the resurrection....) `( e# t$ s/ J' g: A- }+ A

$ {8 \- m" z9 Z3 D6 ?# ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 r7 Z$ X# z2 J" rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.