Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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1 |3 n7 O( e+ k% Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 Q7 ^9 v! B7 N5 p' @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ @- a/ I; v" [' A, ~7 \0 ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" M+ @2 S2 |0 u9 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' m! e1 h. L! Y4 P" G0 X% a. {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... O; X1 Y1 I7 J" Z; O3 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: I5 h  G# k! {我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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" x6 \+ `7 h1 j1 j0 J因為我是情感比理性強的人5 z: l4 `7 [. c2 S: B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 b0 E7 g, ~0 K( o5 B6 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* c2 R3 V" X* \( B8 h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; z' d: Y! W: T+ I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 H! ]8 d8 B1 t' ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 I. s; h- u# b# yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 r* L9 l* n3 M2 m

% K: x3 Y) `# p& g/ L1 \8 d! k* xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. P( D: K; j+ d; J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 W. }7 Y8 Y% I6 U, [, ], O8 e' \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ _# X* \$ m* }2 O7 g, B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ l: ?9 q) `5 t5 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ B5 k% \/ Z' w. M8 Zit's starting because we have sins......! H& }) i" {6 [/ x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * h6 O4 Z+ ?9 r2 x& v! s0 ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 c3 L& h. y( ?! q* j% b! ?% |4 s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- B8 u. n0 w9 J3 B  i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ [2 v# _4 z' n) S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ t5 ~7 I! R- T1 r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% \! ^7 s) |: z: e8 K% T

2 C2 r8 O6 n& j0 l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  T' |0 ^5 g3 |! W# j4 G9 N9 w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; c$ b! `3 h" x. f8 k) e9 c3 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 x$ w$ J* w. p0 j4 y* N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) E+ z9 f0 k0 j( E" n3 F. B
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 v. P: a3 p+ F" F8 R

7 P7 s9 T0 b+ R. |; u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- ~9 G7 ?& L& ]2 P1 H" }! K( h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! k- z, D  z3 N4 I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 H6 C- e# A! b$ F) V" r2 L5 O8 T" v# _.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& Y5 D$ I! r; b  L: v7 u5 ?# g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! q2 H  R( q( d) T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.