Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ E; _6 E! A# m9 ~! `: u5 Y7 {9 P# ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. v5 q& e2 _0 P6 ~/ u6 f' g) {又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 I% e' v: ]& u+ ]) f道理我知道好多只係做吳到( \/ I' u7 R- a1 w7 z- }3 l2 f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 R0 h+ @1 g2 }; c8 s6 ]9 SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 g% E/ O$ j5 ~
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 ]* O! e# G& A# S4 g9 I; ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( e% M) z$ U6 @+ @3 ~1 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 [" Z$ ~# ?$ E7 {+ C$ U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# Z: t; Z8 J% N. U; B' j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, @6 W, a! W9 _! i9 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 m% f" C& h" I7 Z5 _

+ `/ |+ G+ g8 l: d; g6 x" KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 U! K. j8 E! X( v

# V5 |6 t, }, T, d5 h0 a$ iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  q" y" A8 s; }! h9 Q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. r- q) P  R, ]+ o- x: R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 L6 ]3 |1 j$ U9 {& R* DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ j: }/ `7 Y$ j8 b+ W. w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. O- d- q5 w# [$ E6 I9 ?只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 ~, T% }7 ^7 ~( {% C% X用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 ~4 X7 a" \+ w# n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# U& H' i" m+ p7 v1 \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( X' G, Q7 P/ H' ~! H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" S# e0 W! \* J$ ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" q. q7 }+ [/ e+ I) C% \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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+ n  c. o8 T8 L, c0 g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 [) e) D% T; c' i- A- u
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 _( ~1 h1 L, A% ~! i* e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% v" s% C9 F& U  }; O7 o

2 t7 ~9 ^* U0 q! E! D以下是其他人的見解,
6 [# \: {  W  h' F; k1 o2 H+ }5 Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 t$ o* d8 \8 I" g8 v6 G3 r/ @/ i0 j

. i6 q  L) d7 h8 q/ l4 Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) y  q2 I( a5 P; b* Z* |% r

; t/ v; q) ?2 P& Q# H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) y* h! V" }) x) d) V9 Y. }  n( ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) T" v" B: C9 B  i% m+ r# U: z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.