Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 v2 s! X$ ]4 x) q5 X+ b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 ^& Q* i4 ^* N; h% |) S+ E" r" G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 m3 G+ M" p6 C( _道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 n! i9 \* |7 T$ F: U5 C; ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- Y# n; l  g: z

1 C2 x3 Q* _) t) l* QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% y+ n- E7 D% O0 l+ L

% S$ ~# W! W! a) zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 T8 k- {9 O6 s% o3 ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# s1 ~8 o5 b. `/ Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; M9 u, w3 @0 r7 y( U& n- ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  e3 ?4 O. T% C
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, @6 @3 L& O  L; M- D7 V. E* l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; b/ ?6 R. _& h- {& {  ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
, Y/ c+ i4 s; n, c% a正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( s2 ?* Q, Z3 w$ W6 a" y1 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 M1 L! a" Q0 F

9 j7 q1 v. k  T+ d4 Z4 ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 G) n0 y  p) ~, d( o

$ ~8 ~, `6 ?0 S! H0 O7 c1 L- _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 I: Z8 Z) P$ l: J0 \. n& D; BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' B* |1 z. ?$ K2 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 S3 ]5 N& z4 k2 c( r# k" w; I"不信也沒損失"
' z& c9 l& M3 F1 N* N! v6 K: |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 m* x- R+ B2 E8 k5 G- Q6 T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% w2 _+ y) b& T. U+ q" ], hit's starting because we have sins......6 M6 U) A! V1 a; ]$ h! A8 a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; r1 ^3 z# w, G( dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 v6 c6 E, E9 }/ h4 \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* @  p- L2 [3 H; {. s0 v0 H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 p6 Q9 [/ A% A% G: h, d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( k( x$ l* s; N3 |- C" w- g; E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ F8 \5 _7 Q4 I. ?: J( D' d8 R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) @. [6 O6 P, w0 n/ _' h) ^

" ]0 a: [; z: s, Z; S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- v7 M7 O5 H1 `+ P! G; b! z; y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' z4 A5 F. h# y) f  r+ m+ i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. H! v5 v0 o( X- O* L6 N" F' C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ U0 |& X: G  Q" I1 D/ n: i

1 L9 Q8 P7 L$ s) `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# M! b% p/ l; J' t. M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  D; E5 d: P% `, s以下是其他人的見解,. [" ]. W) ~$ G' m5 |0 V0 X  w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ f4 ]8 H/ [- {- d
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; ?% h# r. r5 }) d
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 p' k1 b9 {# P  Z# ?( U, l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& m6 q5 ^& A7 l  p  Y% v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& Y' ^0 o! x0 c1 l1 p

0 ~8 Y9 w1 e' M$ Y! x: `- F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; |9 I: V+ {. b/ s1 ]1 ^

3 v: {2 s) i: j- v- S. \1 w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 n9 g+ k. `. b: g0 W% z* L: x- y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 \' H8 c7 C+ h$ n

/ l" G" c+ B0 L' @6 ^( NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% ?6 y' y1 d* Z% L1 n7 C! n
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.