Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 H/ Y: d: s* v$ {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 l3 T0 k& S. d+ d呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( B: Z# ]/ d4 h2 y/ C) HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 G$ p) B/ a( y# xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ i  ~3 I2 p5 V1 b1 _

6 m9 v- a* m  r9 D* ~+ {8 \% ?  cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ }+ S5 k9 U  `& ~5 ]$ S& |% }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 E* y0 Q4 A5 c8 P9 l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ Z6 V) g  B, q# d2 F$ ]" D2 `
真的!!這不是反話! o8 M  \  J  ]) N- v0 J) O, F9 l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) t. u1 T4 w2 k5 v3 x* q% {3 o% Q" m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( B  i2 ]1 w3 X  J' I' K% `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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! E2 B4 B0 i( p" Y; iWhat a statement we have here?" \; s$ ]/ n% w. r7 z8 m# c4 H$ g

" t6 Q( I& |7 c# N3 o( `; qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ w. r" U; {5 h$ ?# rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 ]. h2 t: C( h1 X

1 m4 {) |) I4 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 D, N* v& x0 o' C- P
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"8 Q% X2 E7 P- _8 s9 N; \$ u0 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) ?3 ~% h( Q. g) s9 ]& xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 x0 N' g* J3 n" ]' J( Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % u8 c% |; U8 X$ p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; u; l( B5 C1 s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 a1 ~: {. I3 K: K0 h  B0 g% h3 Z! V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," f% ~7 {) ?6 k( Q: R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' `, P3 |& E7 k6 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* j# _0 T5 H- t7 q" g  F: S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 d, x% ?- @, W0 K0 P8 D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ G9 y4 s) t" T7 l' X! b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 o$ r; O4 E& v3 G/ b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% J7 T0 s! u+ w  X7 M- ?- i改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: O" R+ j7 |- r* I/ _  \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ ^9 {$ {. r0 M0 i' u, L9 ]! e

5 J8 Y) R$ ~9 G% z. O8 x) V0 I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: S; J; L3 l# B: ?- H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 H, D# J. f, `* a2 [1 x5 k' O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 X" K6 K/ U+ P* ?
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以下是其他人的見解,
% E, m1 T6 r( n1 E% y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, q" @& K) ^1 k* N* X; U

6 G" b& c; P$ q, B  c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* c& H& a* n% K

7 M% X: `# v9 Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 Z+ G2 c5 |. G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. S( E( Y' h8 P# ]! q5 @! n4 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! q1 Z, h8 |$ s6 P7 W& }.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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- p4 N; w) f, a" l3 _; ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 K0 o' @6 y3 h/ T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.