Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; {+ m# ]: L; m8 s% h; }" `1 U& }  h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, N0 d! ^5 ~" P) {7 n1 U5 j6 X8 m% U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# _/ W, j7 b) [+ {2 G( p( q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 P4 \0 K' Z* M6 G& k. G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& h# ]* \$ r+ j$ {2 S7 \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: P9 S- S" P! a: l) y8 C
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# h' Q$ ^  `0 X! N+ W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* E5 u7 i- H6 N3 y+ [
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., f2 T& d: N9 q' V
真的!!這不是反話" ~8 d2 R. V0 e0 y9 q7 a* h* A2 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 ~6 P/ J3 W  m' Y3 ~- Q: |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ T! |! v- E- p& t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 |9 F0 W  t8 t' Z/ g$ k, Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  Y& C( |: u% P4 [7 t% `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ @4 D  ?5 o1 k) j' B2 v3 I
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) h2 e( |4 |: J; T+ b4 D4 aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; i# I/ d! R/ y: ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  ?$ N/ `2 u: @1 m5 i"不信也沒損失"
' H  G8 O2 R) bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! w9 u) u6 Z5 B9 A$ E% P4 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 ?# w* Y- J( p

. Q) X- U! D0 m6 D8 N+ B% rit's starting because we have sins......5 C5 a  v. b5 g, {" b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 [) E$ _0 k: r) e) H8 tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* \/ a  C" u+ c3 ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! |1 X9 z. W" v1 n% Z4 S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- S3 d, f0 `2 r9 M3 i$ Y2 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 C5 S8 y) }2 s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% n: W( {5 {9 m% p! `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) ~0 p6 n' [. k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) E8 ?( o" c8 a% e4 q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; s- \; w+ O- O3 b  I3 f( M
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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9 }1 ^/ ]: ^: _$ b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% K7 F. u5 N$ M* O; f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) S7 U% F7 G+ q( j/ R% R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 z7 s4 H' D: l% n3 A8 P

# P4 R  n& Q& V0 s4 E" ]$ w1 {以下是其他人的見解,, c7 N- Y; z7 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 X$ I0 _0 b& F: u' j4 N+ J
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' z% F$ Z% ^, A6 f2 n( [" I- f9 F

$ }9 y" x1 e) [. }, X% {2 b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 J$ u/ I' B8 y.............信耶穌... ...

7 H. }, j3 F1 J. FRegarding the resurrection....! [5 k) g1 }) Y

$ S2 X+ f0 t9 yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ F5 n, Q' c* K9 \, ~9 m7 P2 \- b

, q$ @5 C+ \, QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.