Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) w, |' n0 q! g3 P) v9 S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 X4 P$ l2 n; C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 R3 ^+ z$ g6 {4 I5 S道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. s1 b5 n" m0 q! C* F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 j' i: W% [# O' `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( y+ q: Z# ?/ R& j* u; W% Y& Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 k$ f8 s6 M9 X, M; fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 E* e1 d8 r3 O: L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  P/ B5 k$ x$ n" s# s- e6 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 B2 N: _8 G  m  P' S' P. }* t1 O
真的!!這不是反話6 M3 \: S1 t; G! T2 y! P
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 K) K; o, |8 j5 r/ |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. a0 \8 |" w: r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 B# p0 [' p5 }, u& s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% W3 K0 c$ A4 `9 X+ I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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& N7 _/ u7 J) d) M3 hWhat a statement we have here?) A: O5 Q& a, D5 j8 r+ E9 E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % z7 M0 F7 z9 r

( h3 o, Z* x3 j8 j0 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 Y$ R; F( m3 P4 e* XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 N/ t+ ?: \1 @$ v! x( Q0 ^3 `

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 M# \' f# H1 Z' M. ]6 ?% f* L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 N( J& h8 d1 x; R"不信也沒損失"" i. z9 f4 h: z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# {6 q9 W1 u  W2 r) F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 _$ w1 J9 \2 _) C$ C3 _8 p
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it's starting because we have sins......
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: _. s, L- }) |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# J5 c2 \( n+ [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 {6 V, j! r0 k/ M' Q; a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- N. u4 W' B3 M- |: v! _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( {7 z2 Q) h+ ]/ B5 Q, Y0 _( w
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. d- `2 g: H* H4 a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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* D" Q9 c; y3 V! Z9 `( v# \* \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 o4 E1 x2 P' P+ H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 X! Q( Q0 q' @) N4 E. m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ |: a. X0 c% [) m" W8 `

3 c9 ?1 d) a( [) J9 g3 @宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- f5 N- U. I/ J. W7 Y. \4 ]  g+ U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( z, L5 |4 [$ S+ ^5 ^1 a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 s- {  H9 u" N# f& h; Y) a1 w

5 H# F4 u2 Q6 W* }6 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! O8 ^( ]% a! l8 @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  Q' f$ |5 p3 w. s8 I! h( ?9 v: ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, Z7 q, m" \4 ^, Y2 q5 J.............信耶穌... ...

% ]! v( U  e; DRegarding the resurrection....4 |9 D' s/ B) V* i" q  g7 T! K

1 g6 Z8 D+ \0 V6 J1 c; IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% l$ j4 W& w; b( \  o8 s: E( h

0 J% Z  m! H, [; wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.