Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 l4 \0 s3 x+ j+ I( D3 I. D我係一個連自己都吳信的人# C: e7 L% }) y; n( Z# ~8 p, t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. P, a6 ?  ?9 F道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# i- l* E) j6 N! emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! {9 u7 h" g8 P0 [9 g
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) P; ]" n: K! w! A9 i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& [( z% r! C! I. C, d, V/ p5 F0 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& @4 a4 U4 ^) q. m8 t
真的!!這不是反話
- S. u9 d/ m7 v7 F1 n9 e因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 I5 m, q8 {9 v6 {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  u1 p- X" |& n; o) {) g: Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 A2 W  ^' V2 M6 j5 @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# t% O2 q, n" w) W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ B& P" t8 k4 l- R4 u. \/ ~9 O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! U  j) G8 L# O. ~) U

3 Z  ?: W* E" R# mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 S/ J. M, }0 Q: L& X+ f. TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& [$ K6 d5 H' G1 [( `) Z
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ K! }0 A5 m! A* R) b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 u( E! k' R" n% Y* J  iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! \0 M/ e# x4 o; F! q; d: Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. r2 u3 Q% y9 q" l& |it's starting because we have sins......6 R+ ]; R+ X9 _! Y  o1 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) L  i. I$ J4 ?+ b7 u% C! ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- Z" H: a, j! p8 o- D6 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ S0 l+ E: ^: K  l' G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% D+ R0 Y  r) [; {9 E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. H) ]( Y! k9 i! c( A, W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; r/ a1 Y" `1 z. Z3 I$ e6 \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; X) i2 v) o( ^2 m7 F3 Q( b0 X
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 S4 a, q8 V" k% @% b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& @4 U% [4 O) M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ |4 F. \& y; N: ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 s* i# ^4 E# k; x( C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 X. s. }# h- w3 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ \4 ?5 [/ {: \, A: w9 _3 C3 w, Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ P: A' e4 ]( g
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以下是其他人的見解,( }! Q* n: k# O# s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 b6 w, p0 F% l# g$ y- C: p1 n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- A' U/ a, A/ W7 j! S

0 S$ }& ]8 `( i( y$ j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 F( L( ]7 V; t5 j2 e9 q! N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: X2 T% J6 u( m8 @/ y

6 r2 z' i8 G4 m$ e% y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 a( ?2 l3 `8 ?6 s! {% h3 F.............信耶穌... ...

7 |5 h7 j# s% P' u1 eRegarding the resurrection...." M9 ]% e0 c2 m/ J. M7 j
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 A  B( A( `7 j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.