Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 y& d8 U& Q" n& a$ ]7 v1 l我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 o! e; \( l9 ~- ]5 ^4 t* z+ R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& ^3 J2 G' K1 B0 h1 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  u- ]; i/ P, h- J呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." i/ E0 k6 t7 V6 u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 {8 h( C0 K9 m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 R8 R5 p* M( u: A- r# \; U, @/ ]1 B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人- p- d# V/ b. v8 I1 {5 Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. ?3 C! H4 w6 Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* H3 p" w' i5 N" k7 r, }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 V6 V& X$ o# _) T: K8 I7 aWhat a statement we have here?; f* [0 s$ E. Y6 Y+ q$ r$ ?8 U4 e% c

+ z9 I3 D# ^4 @0 e; rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! r7 j% c# k! J" U! L2 A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 S6 s& G: o) j) Q0 ~; V( SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# L) \. t1 s; M6 Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' ^) U- i; z  `4 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  @" E# S# v. R, V% h  k0 C9 e) Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% S- r: a9 ?% V& Y3 d3 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., o& r1 {2 K6 y# C, k% e( s

) O  t+ M, {2 Zit's starting because we have sins......7 }; e2 E7 _$ o6 E; l4 E1 ]8 p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' q6 ~3 b: b+ l  n; c/ f7 @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 C4 Y; d; d5 \; F# D! f8 v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; X+ V* l# k  E+ |4 X. H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' B* _) k# y4 x2 U7 F$ ^! K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  G( z; ^4 y7 E3 r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( n" w. B+ ^, i) C* J$ y1 J$ X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 W0 Z: s/ m5 q5 V

; b3 s& I9 D! ]$ P4 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 v% C2 v$ ?# e# |. j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) I* p4 a0 D! l# u# S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 w0 `1 J9 n& g! |( L: u. @3 M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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# S3 e" P) n/ n& E" L宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 J, I' S) ]. q! o: i2 c  v5 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 J2 f$ l% ?) @5 P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 z. E/ |4 s+ A- [& ^+ {# A) q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 _$ G& z1 b. @+ i9 e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& S; m: v, K" |0 }. |+ J
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ x* E* V; Q) q& ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  {4 T# F5 _, A2 x! x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ a1 c, w5 ~9 k  m/ V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& D5 \+ A3 @4 \  i, W/ H, o

. c! {# n$ c2 h, O; a9 ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) f# x' _3 j# p* O# X. y' `

/ j* {) |  Y; M4 ?0 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.