Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, o) d$ y) B  H* a+ X- u  b3 d( r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( u/ D: L* i. X$ ^( |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ n; p% s, C% L. G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ A: x2 ^0 a6 k1 T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 t9 M8 b& N3 p  V; i" q0 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 G: s+ u$ x; y0 z3 v* I* bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ S6 y$ ^3 h8 A- M3 [1 |/ D  R0 qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 \5 Q+ p& z# u( ]% g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人& I" G/ S4 _) Q  p9 ?" N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ {) u$ i3 n* F( X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' E* U9 K/ v# K/ {# ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 H6 U% g# F/ W/ V* G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 K, L) }$ @/ n( m7 hWhat a statement we have here?- R) Z& L6 y0 N9 B: v8 ?

+ c! Z  x( r, v( uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % q0 b# c( C! m% m, x8 k( Z0 ^! u
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  K. `( z" E3 ?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% H# _% B  [2 d( {4 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( e5 h( N0 S: W" V6 Q! k) f"不信也沒損失"; l" v3 i! s/ G  J1 F! O  _, O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., ^5 m9 A% x7 J9 E& }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" @0 v! w7 i5 {2 Jit's starting because we have sins......
# \) H+ j( K+ S" rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! f/ C; _6 H; |! W- Y- d, u* O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 [! |/ X# ^6 s" V6 N6 c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) |+ H) o7 r1 W% z; s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' D! e, `0 s$ h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) Y6 ~7 ~7 `( C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ B) m; @6 P, I  T* m1 V8 h1 |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! e' B% ^# z! ~; k) Z" ^( t
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ Z$ W! t, H5 u3 [3 Z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 A5 `. @) n1 A. ?8 Q' R1 g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# p5 R, m3 z2 \( g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 l4 O1 r- D. K/ g2 G
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以下是其他人的見解,0 L/ c, }) a' m1 }) {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, e1 f* W  M: L/ n( B" ^7 r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 Z% w2 z) b# ^& L/ Y$ _6 X

5 K' c  W8 F2 b# A9 q% i; _: B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 l6 d9 l6 W9 W3 D/ P# I$ F

& K7 X8 \, {6 j" q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 \% G" ?- F& x2 X. j/ J4 D
.............信耶穌... ...

4 M/ l6 A/ K! S9 r; mRegarding the resurrection....5 R1 A( e6 z% e, w% ]+ @
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ R, s0 S! R) `5 z5 i( I5 j

  X7 u9 k9 r3 G& [& sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.