Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; X# o* W) n; W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* f# t' D. _7 K3 l9 I( q  l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 d9 d/ ]) ~8 Y% b8 H/ T; x! Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 ~6 }# p. M7 s1 Z' J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( d  w$ V! P; L1 W. w: i) KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 r  v$ G. ?7 m$ U6 M, ^1 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; l) ^! N& n1 V1 Z1 z9 W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 a4 Y1 l0 \4 N! M7 M
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." ?" O( J" Y8 \8 i2 |
真的!!這不是反話8 W8 j' V$ t8 D) t5 K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# J- Q! ?; x% l8 M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. E  u& P( C- ^9 y. ~7 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 i1 s! K  e2 i  f! I; t/ T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. H5 p0 E6 P, ?3 H. d* @6 c# b' V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) s* m3 Z% B8 F% u+ Q5 i. [* l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! s0 o0 L- W: o+ W9 ]

% o3 U( O/ T6 ^- p& \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, |/ g! K9 b8 a7 {# y( A' j; T- kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: N% L( t  @2 @) c2 p0 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& z3 {! O0 k3 _! r" E! L, I* B"不信也沒損失"
. U* W9 a: b2 W, D5 t7 W( }8 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ W2 T: o: \+ C& W8 b5 e* ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- Z6 v/ `- a" D+ X9 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - J2 g0 h0 F4 J# s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! C" x& z) E! o8 T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& H7 S0 J: P. V) p  V. _0 D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ ~" v: h6 N+ L- ]1 l2 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( k& e4 D3 M3 P) p/ M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) a- @4 y% l6 Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( {5 k( X6 E% r8 t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 K) K4 o1 g1 Q. U7 i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% p. Z; E. l2 C8 c& p! }

6 G0 a5 |8 A8 t/ x  X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 G# d/ o4 d' ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 N  a% Y+ L8 E0 H+ u. Z1 p! h6 t) D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 l* Y/ Y2 e- N" J' f  N: @
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% o9 l2 K! {0 ?2 o, M# U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& {; s7 j( ~5 U% C# W

& ^7 i, m5 w5 e( E: m* E8 G% B/ p同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ Y+ O: T$ K  M) o5 O.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  F$ c$ M3 W5 t, m! FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.