Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ s0 Q& J+ N+ F; Z; p# T' G我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' g0 ~) Z5 s  j% Y# m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 N( Z( U. X; f; l5 |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: j# f( n! t5 z/ _0 X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" O. @* Y3 L4 e2 f7 S; c( RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 `8 q) w- a2 P0 M

, N" c8 i$ a  }1 jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... W& f6 J. C) r. O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* D' f1 [/ ^5 @" t( q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& n' o3 L2 F+ s. [2 p2 i2 K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" q! D. |0 _4 ?2 R8 r真的!!這不是反話
1 F8 l- Q% z# r8 ~( t: ]( I& L( ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
/ X9 a% r6 x$ }; N9 [" i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' a  [# }* d1 _2 X  K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) I6 D3 g* E0 D& @! D
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' ?  E% {/ B0 n) h: n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  f+ _& \! A9 N0 a! @" u. T

( {0 _; b6 e% ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& ~3 X) `) n; w; L: [; eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% W0 n& `! m+ _

# }# B: ?3 _" T+ `/ Y6 y+ w8 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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& E; }8 h' W6 y% R[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 k& r( c, I2 {( K' n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ O" O0 p, W; [6 E. K  C"不信也沒損失"
3 S& g. S# ]5 s1 e* J+ r% o+ XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 j) i( L% p7 s" k! i" F- J" Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." g% K! M! s5 }6 @* m1 O, w1 Z9 w

/ I, u- \, i& j$ X, \+ bit's starting because we have sins......5 G: D; s% v6 R' Q/ u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 o& ~2 y7 x3 i, I4 Y- }3 Q+ Jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, Q( Y0 `/ m4 s0 |/ L. e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," \3 y# y. m% o* H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, ]8 p- v6 D4 g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* t- E0 O8 E7 B% A3 ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( G! z  @. {. c5 F+ Y& O* ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 v" g5 I  o( B: ?  l* U

3 b5 r4 G$ V* P8 J1 O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 a% g6 T7 }' G9 B* U4 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 q: n; ^" H) p) `( r* f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 h) ]1 Y- l* G. `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ W  B; ]; V( G, p* G; t
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: g$ q) S# J# [3 L0 U2 L
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; Q& M. {2 x* g/ Y6 {, k, e0 M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,4 G; ]' e3 \0 H& O0 m2 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' h- Y- ~/ M1 H: u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 q" V# l/ p. p7 d: V9 S, E( i! X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. Y4 K& [1 h, l3 v; Q

, R  _" f. ~# x. A& ]( B! r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& G4 j( T- a6 v8 d6 h2 x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& G3 i" o' e+ g7 J' x.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ k3 I3 Q8 f4 r; N3 @+ Y! W

% o# d( \" K$ x9 j4 ^5 d" C. bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.