Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" ~3 a$ x! L; A9 C我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 w9 X: `% Y  l. s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* m  S2 O* o6 B/ {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 A2 U9 M8 |- |) [/ P+ N( W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 k$ t7 b9 }/ n6 C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* i2 k( j$ G% H9 u8 ~$ N& w

3 w$ L- q5 P: V/ Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" R7 G+ A& z  {' T  b* `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( p( m& w% h) J8 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 H) h% E9 K" {% K
真的!!這不是反話- l5 V6 b5 h# P, }. G/ Z, O
因為我是情感比理性強的人- h3 Q+ h% N; E" P* F6 q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) Y8 i; I9 A" U$ c1 S- l# [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 m! S" r, E9 D/ s# x% a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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# I& C8 T2 q5 u1 O- }/ t8 qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / Y3 h- j: R6 Y$ K9 a2 O

) V2 h- X  s" Z9 p* [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 n! S# l2 Z2 U( S9 W

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 y; Q4 Q: x8 A; \, k+ }# X/ m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 U* u( U: r2 K2 b! x. n& d" Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 ~" ]6 j3 H8 g( f) O

; O- h' X3 K  l5 k; z# T5 ^it's starting because we have sins......
( h& Y; o& |: V3 Q. }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 u6 s& |% U' \0 C* F; i' E! f$ mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 y7 I0 A( ^7 U0 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 ^! }* M' q) m* X& E6 P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; j% r2 L0 b& |8 {. x9 q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 @/ y; S) z; ]- z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 e3 o- I/ m* I$ \* \3 s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 m8 W: h( v( X$ r% M! G* p
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, \% L7 E7 }! d4 g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  j# P+ F; e& A& q. C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- T4 W* v; s( v+ d, c; c. j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 I  |4 T9 T6 F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 i; s: {. m+ J9 Z3 ^3 ^7 E9 o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- Y0 {* f8 I1 i, \0 ]2 h' M

4 |9 u: a4 H8 R以下是其他人的見解,  E, y! _# X9 n5 t9 k! j: p; \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( @2 O! A& Q0 V& c$ L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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5 v+ U+ f* \% x* S0 ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. m5 A9 ^  W5 |- M; v6 f

* T- z7 R# J, `$ `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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' \9 X( b. {9 L) J, ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ V* k$ h3 m: ]; z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 W/ \* s' S! F9 |.............信耶穌... ...

' A6 b8 r6 X3 x1 t" _2 K, Y: tRegarding the resurrection...." O- m* X) n7 L2 C1 O' _1 x+ Z5 x: G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." m* b3 N) H2 A* G, l2 W/ @' g

, {9 W1 {2 k1 T- d: v1 a) F9 e8 j+ DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.