Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ I" o1 r) K/ t$ J' D8 `+ m. H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 g% C8 G* M8 R& T" |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- ~: f% y8 s6 i" w& U: F% ]$ z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( w; q1 T  u: D, i! `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ w* ?7 ^% I& i3 ~7 r% N3 p" BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 W3 v5 G% N( }- E7 I) ^8 l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 \' Q) q9 H/ _$ D% ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! E( T0 {, A. i2 Q" ~我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: F. I6 q+ P# c6 u) n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% u! y! x0 d! `# i( P4 j' @2 q0 P3 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- p, ]4 S; }5 t/ u' U* W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& i1 F7 _, Z# Y3 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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# ?. n. B: D7 Y2 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 x& J. p9 |. |' W% @5 N) P* G
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 s/ ^' W: s" G% g$ y6 h& g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 h) [5 F- `5 G7 {/ M1 D. CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 B0 ^# p6 K% d1 pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 m% [9 B. r7 |  Z

$ ^# A/ t9 ?  yit's starting because we have sins......  t, x, y) i+ V& o& d, A: H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , m( u* z0 Q; L; W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 w5 Y" ^- G/ P' Q& i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 G) x: H1 q7 e( J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) W& v4 o0 M7 b7 R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ P% ~1 I: k2 a3 X0 z2 N/ @- a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  z8 n( B/ X+ o+ V7 d4 ~1 L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; n3 n( H$ {& J: U7 M3 E

0 Q( Y* M& I$ d( P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 K0 V% C3 W( B8 o7 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 |: S; |9 _0 k7 [' T( y

$ i7 n' H( A7 g& B2 V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 p3 M" r! Q5 A! ~' y0 f) o5 m$ g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 |, c2 R  ?; m3 Q4 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 p& o# t1 n8 n

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," X3 M: D; c  c* Q! f1 \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( I5 N# N. ]' o5 ]

! |% x4 K7 \, J以下是其他人的見解,- M# x  g( |7 V. ]9 l8 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 P4 i( a4 {4 {$ M. @/ o* Y

& ~& J3 s6 r. T5 ?! R$ M6 s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, d7 ]# e6 c! U+ K9 b$ W* F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ e. `  Q3 V. f. g3 B

% ?+ |$ P; G3 r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  c; O1 d  Q* M9 ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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& z& S) \. j7 t" O6 m1 g: S! wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 z- p+ o$ n$ }5 X* U% W6 SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.