Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 l0 z' q$ g" V3 h! H+ C我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 q8 B: n, |! r$ H; `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ ~8 a7 E; A" @5 Q, q! e0 ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 w" |+ j. C7 }2 x' Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  \( O8 `- G7 u3 `, C' @( ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% y. @& P& r: ~9 c2 i' j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- `3 g+ h9 M/ Y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 J  W; Q+ f9 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ h8 E0 L3 m. `8 V  b所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( M% r$ y: c: q1 f+ m9 b+ [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. a/ P1 G" l1 B+ V) C* `% u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 Z* p: e0 w. M0 [# z: n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . y0 D) K# E. W) O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 g" {- ^  T# b+ I: @7 g
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- U6 ~( U0 S' _9 ?/ I2 O5 Y0 Z
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  Z4 O( H: L( ]5 w, u' p% }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' X; U, y0 T  `6 a( Z0 L9 A"不信也沒損失"
* d4 P5 l% T7 g/ X  m- l, S5 n' TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% e9 }( J  q0 b8 G3 Z8 `- Y/ Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ v0 d2 y5 v$ f5 f) jit's starting because we have sins......  ?6 u( e" t4 n" m6 A9 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 @" y0 y- m- V- J% s7 b* b7 M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 [# q( ~3 A( E1 S* C' l) T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* s1 z) K' s( O0 F) @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ b# f# L1 [. \' J( {1 j4 i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, B6 A7 u5 X8 L$ ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 D; P' `) f* O# o9 D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 I+ b' s6 K; m; G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; x% r) T' \! p6 a/ x5 f& W! y4 o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% O" l3 C4 L- V5 p: u. J; f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- H3 ~1 x( Z! m* s# {* O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: j8 P4 e4 r% A  K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# `! g4 w# }" k6 u1 h& b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 w2 c7 G2 q' ^6 y! Z

# r* x" D' A3 R) i# i以下是其他人的見解,/ d) [' b# e+ ^0 G( \, |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 s, m( |, i/ u1 R9 |
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm3 q# U! w' I. o) D% G8 {; \
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! f5 x* a: u9 i% s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, C7 z. k0 \! A9 u
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 T( K3 h2 m, H$ p) b- P2 @( p

$ O3 E- Z- i+ A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  n- X. q' k& w3 }9 g1 b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 q- x& G2 V7 g9 a+ r
.............信耶穌... ...

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; u7 E0 u6 E, C+ kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ m% n; n& d; K" X  |

# w2 d! @1 D5 c2 nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.