Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 i( z9 O/ M4 x0 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ I7 t7 x" r6 S: {) c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  R3 Y) d  \  Q( }7 x道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: ^! ]% Y6 \7 g( l9 m7 N5 g) I$ T: ~

. k# q6 i" I8 W0 y" M$ Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: o' I8 B3 P+ \! |" s5 W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 i& N9 p9 C' R3 Q, T" `  l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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' p3 x7 v; G5 b- s! b因為我是情感比理性強的人1 n3 x: w; x+ v7 L6 |* x! m8 W0 \# M5 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# v4 I( }; ^1 z! w+ O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 E# n7 ]# d) L8 c* Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 Z# F* y5 ^7 L$ Y0 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & L: }: m7 g7 v* k. m9 a1 W
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) |( b; @$ \, g5 ~, D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; X, m5 S; t" j' n1 `0 g# ^

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
- U( w6 `* h7 n! h2 O! AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ q! D# _. o2 G) x5 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' |( e/ Y6 `8 H: a) i9 o  v' ~: T1 [
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ }4 [1 i: N/ Q) hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ D" z( U4 t; cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( j, F$ w& _0 K+ f' U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# N9 {* E7 l6 {% |# B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. h; m3 ^  L, _" S. C4 o/ C2 Z- T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. m; e& |; Y6 y7 D+ W( S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, B$ f. E. w7 ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... z( H& z& h: B6 |# }8 z3 |

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 Y6 K7 k* T" m8 y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 |7 p) M6 E+ p- r

( o0 \  e. _  ]8 ~: W" [以下是其他人的見解," u& H5 \' `  y/ H, z, S+ @8 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 M3 t4 O3 j( O7 [( {+ x2 x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% C& o; \  K7 y4 P5 j$ O
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  K/ `+ N' r: p8 s; AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.