Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: U4 i9 @3 J8 c; c) L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; C" x* H" p2 m" d又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! R8 @  z" V5 V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 {6 ~4 H) w: w, Q3 ^( MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 |' Q0 d3 [/ ~6 b4 fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' r4 e1 d' R0 ~- C+ g) ~( q( l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! \- X  A! j7 e9 N# Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( @# J6 H* J! v; m" B% ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 L* L' @: @, @' c真的!!這不是反話
" P. k9 B" a6 [因為我是情感比理性強的人1 M  W. e- M1 X) n2 G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 w3 k  h7 W# |0 |. U! X- T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 F8 z) \  d; e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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% n# |- u/ ]- F" {6 Q, zWhat a statement we have here?( j- \) M+ H7 h5 a& e+ ]! E% j

& ]3 q. ?, S1 X9 h  Y$ G7 G1 gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 l/ a' |( r" E: }8 U

( g5 a9 ?$ g$ @* `4 ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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4 Q7 W1 b9 S3 K3 ~; V% Y"不信也沒損失"* M; _. r; `0 v. S1 g8 ^& M# N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; p( Y3 n) X+ T6 H) }' z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! x% W9 n& L9 v4 Z, `8 l

3 N2 v; w8 F. p9 q/ z( b7 e$ ait's starting because we have sins......
1 T+ D3 ^2 \5 I5 _  d8 Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) @- z% @6 }( y7 c: |/ [  U+ r+ R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 |% ~# Y" O/ j/ t: T) x1 ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* X' t; U& I- X. e0 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 W; p. g/ h- U0 v' t" k* I. m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ `7 Y" l( }& L! ]- [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( q& C: g$ _$ ~* K* P  c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 Y$ Y$ e; z, [; |' ?! b6 v

1 h* f' s, l3 {5 [! i' m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( M% z! l/ A# ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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  w$ E/ E) ^% w; D: T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 b' C% K& v* l- B7 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! q/ O9 n  r6 [1 Z- j以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: @- N# ^! ~9 v6 k3 L
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. G1 q) g( Y- z+ o: P! |7 X8 ^5 E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 I* l4 e' S: f0 ^4 b
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 G$ n" ^' f1 W) @

: Y/ b' ^/ V, pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.