Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% E+ d* C4 g# v" N& X我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ x& ~/ W5 T6 J  a8 A4 F7 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 o! Z" E1 }% }9 d! @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 I. C8 d& O3 O2 B  I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 r" t% W0 g( |; F% i

! D, r6 k2 @4 h3 R1 H# P( l: YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 E6 {0 D/ u( f7 l/ H! g

6 n! ^: t0 S1 ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% @, K8 q2 N8 S

' [, V& ^$ q; i$ W3 b7 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 b3 E' _! s0 e; C- Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! a% h# E. F; [" B( I+ C5 v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; k2 o" A' V$ ^' r% w
真的!!這不是反話
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" k  R6 w' o8 F3 M2 \# z8 E% K所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* ~3 a# m2 V' d& G$ j+ I3 a& U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 `+ I) j: |: t# z. H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 w" ]! x5 g& I8 X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 R/ e7 L. u9 n- p7 L; {. }% w; r

5 V6 D; j8 t/ ~( i1 J0 w. NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- a  d$ z( r; ~7 B) R. g& a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  ]- c" J- p2 ?6 ]+ a. }: u+ g"不信也沒損失"
, }- j+ N1 _1 g$ S* T/ oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! w" R, S" E2 F) a  I! d* c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ D( U9 l7 G* ?: cit's starting because we have sins......
: H3 H, L7 C8 G" c; W: Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % Z8 v" R; t. O' k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 s- D9 `4 j" E/ i$ [0 A4 K1 D7 n0 E, p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% y# L( A: s) j5 J4 i, C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, s1 C7 G, t( G# {* H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' }* V9 Y9 o% U9 e8 J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% E7 ?+ V" k2 K; N1 q2 u+ U' j& P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, ^! d. ~6 z0 o8 R! Y& F% d

  ~2 Z( ~' d5 o+ D/ B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. S9 X% I* j4 w  T+ d5 F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* {1 M3 C5 u3 G! X' E5 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ v( ]* @  J# x0 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 ~1 {$ K: O% w( ~# w5 |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: e2 p( a3 N+ |6 h" B3 b
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以下是其他人的見解,# t- }9 p/ r: ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 x( A; X# t2 p6 r% C, N
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm! |- ^; U+ [6 Q: a( O- y# n
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; y6 E+ _% P/ ^; f! n

3 a1 Y, I% q- ?  o: L0 V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" U. i- C% g* s& L0 C

/ @; ]( i+ b5 _0 E7 b2 Q0 O% k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: n+ h; P8 e0 P7 d9 e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( A5 B" M  Y1 x! b3 |.............信耶穌... ...

; G" O3 X7 N( V+ mRegarding the resurrection....; l4 C% I/ u# _! T9 ~- Q

* g, U; a1 w4 m1 k3 k1 C; xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 U7 D8 }# g$ j7 v, \6 i
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.