Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 P) r" J  @  z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 S2 I" T3 t7 J2 C5 n" H- Z7 A又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( `! e( W  Q+ T9 A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 c* X7 `, W+ b$ N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 r9 ^; @8 a) y2 A' A( C

0 S7 L2 I% K0 T0 k6 k2 {4 _- p7 E3 L+ `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; p" ~  Y% n/ V: N: i4 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ [, k) `/ w& [2 L% H4 Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( ]; \, D  X/ _7 T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 h) A, l0 [! D# V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 O6 j+ N% i( d8 o2 d1 m- e. `! D因為我是情感比理性強的人
- i+ A) M' |9 x/ A  p3 F- S2 V所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) j8 ?: V' B% P- D5 u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% \! {, ~) E; O) U" z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 J3 @# f- n/ s: K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 J/ [# N1 C, m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, I0 G+ S7 p% J" m( I
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, r/ H' E2 k! r% _0 Q* V$ @- p3 |2 @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( P' v2 h! J* {( l, q% S2 u' S
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 y/ A% ^8 A4 h0 [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( m: M- r) S" J' \4 Z# d% zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 A+ q5 {8 {4 N2 r0 ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." s: J; E2 ]5 O! C; z- K

$ M- f2 Q3 I* B& }! V& h4 ^. ]& hit's starting because we have sins......+ m+ k, M0 S! M- }' d6 ]% o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- J7 }; k2 x  `$ u* A/ i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 e8 s) }& q9 a' R$ l8 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ X- u% b' |7 i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% Z+ o- M) [% v! v, ^# Y/ r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 o$ x/ P0 L8 n  L& d1 ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 B5 B! f7 D+ a9 K) d# A

$ ]+ C/ [+ l0 h3 P' k4 T, c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 b1 ]( f- a  v8 e; c) J& b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, n! ]$ A) Y2 |  v: A

* B7 D% [  p  u3 k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 F6 H6 e) g2 H# T3 q( r3 i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; a% \' _7 S/ v( `

) `" S3 U- L  X4 p$ s! Z% t以下是其他人的見解,
* Q4 L4 |7 q- B5 M" [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 e; B" o1 y! g7 @% N$ H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; }) H& k8 Y9 k4 F3 E
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# v1 b2 Q3 ^2 y% P) v& F# C

2 s3 u* Y) z( h3 p# f7 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" l; w; g0 y: i) j! g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: J0 o2 e+ n7 ^! ~.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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" m2 k6 Q: Z" [5 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' |, h+ \0 E& S0 W8 I; O" A8 y

+ [8 ~6 n8 ?  a& W$ pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.