Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 S  X. T* T- J% T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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% B" |: F- ^$ O4 x+ ]0 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 M  j. O! c& X& a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 }) W, x/ S0 e* n3 h/ s1 f% E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." C& Y! t: ~: D

& G6 E) J) z7 U: a1 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: t( @8 |0 N$ i" s2 }. o
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ X1 L0 W1 E6 D3 W2 x5 ]
真的!!這不是反話  n2 ~7 ^  L" c/ v
因為我是情感比理性強的人. E, d8 l3 F9 r+ h% B3 N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' N, ~. G5 B* u: o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 [( L8 x: r) _: g4 C; ]7 k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?  U# o' W7 q8 b0 x2 i1 p2 _8 k5 o

. E# [) Y* E* G1 FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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* T6 V* Q* v; [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 I8 K7 G6 d% o. W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) E8 @' @) a  G! U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& N1 Q5 T3 x5 `. ?' O/ p+ r"不信也沒損失"
6 ]7 z+ ?5 T$ M/ u( C8 CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# b7 v; ]1 i( ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 y( `' b3 P  w" K) @1 b: J! I
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it's starting because we have sins......
: V, z+ P+ l% Y* Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 X4 ]% C7 K- [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# q. O- K* R) B- m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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# W- ~. h5 R- J2 ?( {0 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 g7 y+ U, D, Q, C/ `7 c8 b: O! H以下是其他人的見解,
  x/ n7 U0 A5 N看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- r& }+ L4 F; J5 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 N) b! _. s; \$ a- c+ `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% ]$ i& M, q# b  B6 M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- e9 B" C6 J) _; V
.............信耶穌... ...

" d& o/ B0 q9 ZRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' I8 R' f5 B; Y2 P' i/ j: q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.