Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% M8 v, H% _( q" p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 u& H3 x& r  B  m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% K( ^1 ^( e1 [7 w' L, W. O, GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; L" g% P! F8 B  b& f  p" y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( T6 f0 U! P, A3 g: H- p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 c: Y9 w+ q& {4 V6 X9 H3 J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" c$ L& R- G9 M% S5 ?1 B/ @
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ @* Q, }$ k* d+ L+ L/ q2 J# f
真的!!這不是反話
. n* [* j) [( i4 k因為我是情感比理性強的人3 r3 x/ ~( x+ m4 o. T, j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! Z/ Y# G4 J6 I/ i+ G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, j2 H2 n+ T; j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% J- J4 Y  D6 H! \0 L. T0 O; ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# ^! N& n" r6 \) D$ J7 F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 M. Z$ E1 y9 `4 Z5 H' sWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 r7 `8 L. Q; X; J, |  Q- \% g

. k" j( g! r( U+ J# w* v$ H/ |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ d. Q1 q  w- v

, m/ c3 `: }$ J$ h: D% [5 uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; \  ~- `/ N: L) f2 T) S, I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; R$ M2 K) b' W$ b  ]* s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% O3 S, n  a& f- R' c. [- R9 L( i"不信也沒損失"5 }- R: d5 g( L9 h$ V+ [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* ^6 g- N6 L- J4 m0 c) ^2 N% Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ P$ o" o8 A( H0 G

2 H6 i: J* K( |( L% D# y( Kit's starting because we have sins......
" z  Y4 W# A6 W4 e& j, {8 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' w: I0 D( c* M4 a2 a9 p  wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' l6 U5 }6 J2 c* w7 P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& g/ I( F6 F$ ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 B% Z1 ~- X$ g% y/ m- k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 x) E6 H+ g5 `8 X: S  d. m: Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% B# Q8 u1 M% X) j2 E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# m4 i% l- n  j8 C* \7 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 J+ r# L, }! T. ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," p7 d+ c" k4 h% x! L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ H1 J& k6 F" b2 x: K1 |4 @. k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' C( m' z& E/ e, W+ I  V
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' R2 i1 `7 q3 h6 o4 u& N9 c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 x1 I) G+ @/ F2 o; \$ W& \( H  T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 U8 U, j$ M; l* ~' x/ H5 l% H3 `

" o, b2 V* E+ x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 z" c+ x; |. \; P8 F, m

4 b4 `2 C  Q/ t1 Z, P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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! \6 b: l# U. S: KRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 T' _( U% t# ?3 Y% s; E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.