Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. O  T' L; a7 J2 M  b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" H; ^# U" G  G  l4 ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 [$ g% @! n. ~- D% m0 X% R道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 O4 w; ^) N) q0 I( |2 h; \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  Y; ?! N& S; x( JNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: G$ d' V8 H1 E

% L) }4 ~; H$ [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 d1 [' Z2 [! P5 F- U( _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ Y0 T& Y' a. ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 K; G) Z$ R5 F- \6 a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! A/ w5 i* Y( H; x9 H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 T' I$ l$ ^" N/ h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 k& B1 X7 A9 j1 v0 w! i" A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ w9 @3 ?+ f8 ^( @' s* A% k2 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 G0 F6 `  m1 nWhat a statement we have here?- H% m6 T0 L0 A

+ m5 Q! V4 q7 WJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- I: Y& ]* o1 W# o
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 W7 c- b8 ~) J3 R- {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* D# O3 c9 Z: ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 E0 l9 o$ H2 t, N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 [; \& g  v# I6 L# R6 J: [( z5 N

5 Y2 r/ B8 |3 i" L7 `' u$ G/ R# `it's starting because we have sins......
  D- j9 a) b  }5 O% ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 G1 v8 T7 H# b  Z  w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& k" \9 N. K0 a0 l; D( S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 ^9 q. Q1 b9 i9 ^) |7 J, }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 g. |. p6 Y+ Z& O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 G& G7 Q/ Y: F8 [( u% q% d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 [$ a5 j3 a. N$ T7 G, R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 o6 O8 P" G1 Z& m8 a  N2 N

3 `( `6 u- \) @' G" h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ t. G3 l% A4 [$ j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' D" x  L: r; Y- ]
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 _" E. N7 ^7 {9 [: O6 l: l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 S% \% ^+ ?7 {) j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 [6 B+ D: B. f1 X0 D1 K) X! H8 ]

9 q5 H/ |" N8 O, _: }  A0 Y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 L1 L0 C8 w) @6 H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 E4 o. M! c6 z2 Q5 t8 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 `! L5 I& o" H; j$ A2 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 P3 m* b* Y  q+ t$ s/ }

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  {) ?4 y* N$ ?8 M1 {同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* W8 l" a) \$ ?5 |8 C
.............信耶穌... ...

; h, ^. h7 f6 I; JRegarding the resurrection....% z6 |5 B; F* I" |+ p: C4 b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 n7 ~% f* t2 C/ P* p. eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.