Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- s9 _) U6 d, v1 A% ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. f* a  u& V" H! C! R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% i$ @2 j) F. |/ q- U- ^  i道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 f( F2 L, Y" F. _6 N9 F5 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 @9 {6 w; R8 E1 o( N
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ r# h: t  S, l2 Q5 H% r$ O8 z! l3 W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: N3 |6 H* J% n/ j4 k( y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ s: H5 ~9 v! W& B% G" `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," S3 N' _* y5 O8 [$ u$ k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; j; M0 ?7 O- m, Q/ z2 X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% W  i& D4 y8 r* t* j0 n& e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' D# Z# ?, e4 n' C0 k( _* e  o

9 v0 s6 ]7 t* Y( X5 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) c1 Z' @" i" b  b% l* d+ d5 r

! ^* F' Y9 j6 ^& p6 f0 A7 HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' C. |# }% P% W) s, p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ r7 \. G. d: V* Y4 ^0 `& \! b"不信也沒損失"
6 r0 Y% k1 V6 s2 v  HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" ?# X* p& J: u# m6 P, N8 Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 k; ]* c* ~$ T" t/ k* V" ^1 n$ }; K

1 C+ \' q2 ^2 h' ~0 ]" tit's starting because we have sins......) _* J, _8 f+ P8 i- ?! x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( ]3 Q+ p/ y( ]4 g9 ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' u: L/ v' w6 s( k% ]. @: G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( G7 A' T& R. K3 i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, n1 G: W$ ~, H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ _: C8 n, M: [: s' t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# X' e6 X8 K, a0 N% f  V9 L. o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 @& d6 v0 T) x. Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 b+ T, N+ |( u$ S7 m5 _# T  M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 V4 J; R4 E! f, n. a8 O* N2 |: h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 F1 C- U' z* W+ B& ^- ]4 P

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1 e& V3 ?9 b0 X$ u  j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! n1 N$ E/ ^" Z% D# l6 K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 C( b8 s' Y+ A+ i9 K% J( B
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' z7 W5 A9 ~# v6 p/ T6 K: y! A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, o* D( n/ c. y% L# g5 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- ~, ]4 R. W- ]# ?! p7 u" [& Y1 I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% Y2 E' {1 Y( h2 b& H0 l5 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 |6 u( C  E, i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 B# t3 N( |0 `" e9 ~8 `% ^

( V% t9 v& [9 {, YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 B, R- Y* F+ ^- }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.