Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- R. F4 f6 F# p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; }7 T: m; n( PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 Q' Q3 |; b2 [% q8 ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' h8 d- N* f; |, }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ w" L& E8 b, X( S" }* b; |1 R1 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 Y) b9 u# s* h' X* D# A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& l8 Y# |, t  D  q. B3 F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' e0 |5 {) k- Y  r& n, E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( n) @% _( {8 }) h: Q1 l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( ^8 G  l- P; M: e4 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; b5 h0 C$ N, N" @8 F+ d
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 Y& @) J) z% M' i  h3 w1 r

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5 [$ o$ |2 \2 X2 ]" i0 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& G7 A- }# @+ [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% B- N. u0 \/ D' g2 Z2 |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' y. ~1 r# @1 q" \+ b1 _/ ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 `) S/ p3 C/ J+ C8 ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ Q4 a6 U1 t/ f3 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 {$ ~0 F; O2 N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ I9 e% s: P! Y+ e: w: D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. A: |% p' N( s& J, ]' X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." u0 W; J3 p% [3 |2 x% B3 V  j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, q0 Y% _  B1 v$ F$ Y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' ~* g# c+ ^1 [/ R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; K) A5 w. V% q  O3 D
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 j: e9 b& i* V, A7 ?9 k' A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& M& w- Y- Y; C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' X! Q& E8 V, ^2 v2 m
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ K8 O: B) k/ E5 C9 J7 X
.............信耶穌... ...

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! n1 s. ]3 z0 e# c/ Z0 ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) ?& G( h/ a1 Z) A8 L( y6 M

/ @) D1 K' w, pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.