Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) l  f2 ~1 k# L1 c1 a6 U( F- J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 ]/ e* x8 P3 p8 c2 y1 W' \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: ~. o' a% A" R' `+ w4 R道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 h- z" e9 {* L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% K6 `6 i; a' Q- l* KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) \; V# q, z* g* _3 E) b  L! z

: S! M) S- @% D+ ?2 ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話# j/ o+ N" B9 `. Y3 U+ H+ N5 {" h% m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 u  B" C2 V6 m) _' ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" I4 t4 F% D* L1 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 H( Q0 U; Q# q3 C/ T1 o4 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. w. ]" ?# z" l& V6 {4 y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) g7 a1 I" I5 T" `" |"不信也沒損失"; t+ z' X2 f  h/ U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# g! u0 V* {  Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 i2 H# l) O* Q+ H; {+ \7 Qit's starting because we have sins......, m. u& V8 s' `4 C: B8 B- n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! u2 _, I4 Y4 p" T- L3 e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; t7 ~3 P- j+ x' J7 B6 K; t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: h5 u5 C/ D+ a" R- {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ t: x" W* j9 ?; a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: e# q3 J  ]( b8 j5 U$ D% y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  \1 Y5 g! J4 U1 _* U( z# o, y; e# g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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: r. }" T, E0 z5 D$ W吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 H" [( ~; W6 {( D/ a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: T- n0 r% J$ P5 N9 v5 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& W; g" @& W5 H* Q) L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& Y4 Y* x1 |' r' [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 T' P8 _0 v* ?  c+ @& N

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 J: Z; C" ]$ J8 a; p7 A3 k0 MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 ^+ T4 H% D7 @+ E; VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.