Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 ~) z$ s8 S8 r& [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ ~- t8 |% t  w1 W- W+ @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 `- u9 b5 p! R: Z3 D% _, M/ i

" W$ T3 E8 U" Z* ?9 |% WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 e2 T; {( t; O  W+ n7 |. ?: Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 s- e! ^: G, D, l& r; v
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, m- i9 e5 }. t4 I2 ]1 V4 y3 \cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 x) }2 {6 q! }' P, Y" M' t; d8 d
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ m6 D0 ]/ l: }& X) F* ~
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ y6 e3 |3 n+ m- e. T  }" v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 u* U  s* u4 V( Z0 E. P( _8 v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- H& r& o- b( w& w1 b8 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 _) }: P8 A+ I! D- g$ j1 F0 sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 [. d. |7 d5 Q2 z
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' l* g5 E8 S9 a# ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 V5 h( M& @. l9 I4 J% ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: x3 t1 h2 I3 s( p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 F$ @0 ~3 k2 ?, ~9 p5 H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- f4 I7 C! `6 C3 B9 u+ F5 d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 l$ Q1 r( {  h) r* f; M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," {8 p  q6 l9 Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 M( j1 V  T: D# u: r3 y; S9 W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: G7 i; D0 O5 K" R0 @% p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: W! ^  s. x: k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' S% J5 Z/ }8 N# @; d$ k0 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ Z: R+ L9 v) ^* i8 L* s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 I- ^+ E  r) w/ ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- H1 ]6 J# K7 \' k/ w4 {0 Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 e$ S- i% Z0 _. V; ^' D( F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 ?) s, A; F# `( }& y9 N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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  m! O4 I" j% x" @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ w, }9 G$ U- o$ J, M
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- q; X8 D' S3 j5 Q: u9 b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 z0 @' L2 ?5 f" H4 |/ A9 w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) I5 |/ l3 q: j6 _% VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; k; _1 F/ c2 A/ r6 ^% RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.