Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ y' k, q- u' |1 P8 P- \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& Y( a+ n: A' r+ d5 _& ^  A8 C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: ?; o5 E' }# ?3 w. D6 g6 g/ r道理我知道好多只係做吳到! D. J2 w" G  n. G) Q& P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 i* c: B# G7 j; sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( j5 X+ q3 W% I+ N" ?6 R* Z

' |8 I0 R! h) N0 C, |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  [8 `0 f8 l5 i6 u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 P& T# `7 h0 a1 @9 Q) N' I, estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 @& T# g4 P8 w* Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 u% C/ N8 E3 e0 E5 z" X- Z6 E3 ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' K6 K) o0 }- @' h真的!!這不是反話  W, Y3 G+ p3 V) F5 M& r1 X
因為我是情感比理性強的人& @4 k1 M$ x9 R+ S2 \; G: |0 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ x3 m# u: Q6 o3 G7 h. i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) t8 c5 q' a  r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% F# l6 }. Z8 j3 g% @  q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# D7 L9 v* I  P- ]. X3 qWhat a statement we have here?
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7 `; t  Z7 {6 R" j0 B& iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  J* m2 J2 e( B# q3 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 e$ b; }4 e) j* N, \; k$ R! G7 }"不信也沒損失"
* y9 x1 m+ T4 U& q; nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 ~/ h) P; l8 Z, V( u' R& Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" }# ?+ O* \( J1 iit's starting because we have sins......
% s2 b5 L* q& g  Z4 r  x5 ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - D2 J& p( k7 p( J$ x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ d% j% Q% _! Z0 u6 k3 o, e5 n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* U2 Z8 k0 K! Y. r0 R4 w+ J: ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) @+ B* v1 u0 b0 i  B2 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. l9 L1 z" N/ ~9 W0 ~$ [7 p' p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* ]( T' Z3 C. _6 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" w5 d+ K, |: U! O! @" x+ \

- s% }: h' r+ o6 x1 v" l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, V8 H- N% D$ N& D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% O! `1 A" z1 q6 \" p4 I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* m4 f9 V2 s0 G- \+ w. s# K美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 x5 a" R; L: h1 ]/ n' f宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ Q4 \" T3 U( _' r. l1 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
: h% y3 }% Y( i, Z& E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ J$ K/ s* Q) D: x
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) N/ P5 x! z7 n- b7 }

1 a; p. h5 f/ |7 @; g2 P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 E. O' x  l) @3 r7 r+ h* G! R

8 P/ P4 s1 b* ?2 @. P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. B; r8 @$ \5 \* q0 p# [

" T- b" n- r& \/ I6 Y5 L" b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 M9 J& N; |) R( t9 z! Q5 i" |6 n.............信耶穌... ...

8 m$ L) n! D* F4 W# uRegarding the resurrection....+ o( o4 C1 i/ ~

6 G' b$ O. m6 _1 X% |- iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& f" t7 c/ y3 `. {+ W" q  A. C& b

9 N6 x. _) k6 r4 @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.