Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ q% q" N: N4 C3 r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 x, H( t5 C+ @* U& O
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* Z# y! G9 W  o' ^3 g8 m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 A5 c$ H+ u( a1 k; V: [( R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: b9 u1 Y7 z( Z% O* `) e& F; V
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% Z  N! w9 _) ?, R( b  P8 J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& ]' {# ^$ I! N2 w* c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 g& a# e* Z. _1 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! j1 z* D9 f: r% {What a statement we have here?3 O* l. q- B1 B  H2 ~. R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 V9 X- t1 v7 m! Q6 J+ W- C8 q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 ?$ I4 x( p" W7 X

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 K. T7 ]7 f! D% @. Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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* H/ j4 x6 }! ^# I. Xit's starting because we have sins......) _/ x6 j0 C: F, _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 A& B% Y0 s7 ~0 g8 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 F6 N8 g( R7 [( u8 W, \7 z3 L# s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 m5 ^. l7 O% Y! m- U9 z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 O9 b2 o# Z6 k: n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- a- Z; m; B* @. e/ g; ]3 n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ z( O+ p8 T, s9 q1 F6 O# ]' G* L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ Z2 p1 q. R: p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 ^  h# t( O5 t. X' Z: K# V6 F

5 p% Z8 |4 E2 A% O7 x6 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 d; k0 ^' ]: }" C* J. x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# L; _/ z# \* l4 N5 |" j. y' n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# H/ a, C& o8 E' N) g
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以下是其他人的見解,7 F6 D9 L; G! B7 n3 x- E$ ?1 k( N6 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ K' B9 g' \6 {" L1 C
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 F- q. B' P# ]# p  L) v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ M* S4 a1 P3 r; q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& O. V& {! t8 v$ U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.