Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" e# [3 F" Z2 r2 }6 C5 v我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, U0 u% E1 M' K0 J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ x; Y! m1 y! E) [" R1 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ z+ ~$ e* H, Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& J6 R! C8 D% W; V# f9 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; s' Z3 M' {/ _" {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! F3 S6 Z, I" ^; _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- ?# F& a' ?2 R8 ~: \3 I9 ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 U4 o% P4 A# C1 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& S2 X1 O) f. b" |3 _3 b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. j7 t4 w/ z) J9 S& a# w2 ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) ?) }$ M* _4 {, t: [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, L; n" o! F2 B) Y0 n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 _/ l" L6 X6 ]  N9 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% c, X# S0 ^, P1 i+ X! r( F$ }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% H9 ?0 B& m% A9 z
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it's starting because we have sins....../ |8 N; t- W) @, T; n! L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) z4 D* A+ k- m$ c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* T, @' X- ]' K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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- h1 a! d/ q5 _- c7 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' O3 D; p7 S4 m5 n" e0 y* M, I6 ?0 @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( s* N* {' F  `! ]7 S5 @, E/ y3 ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! t7 F: o: B7 ~- n; x, L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% z$ \/ u& k0 j* P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* H8 @% [; h- A4 g6 S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ L2 e3 J6 |7 |2 v  ^3 U, G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 ^, h+ {) N8 S5 S3 W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 e3 b' b. i) x8 z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 c1 r3 H2 }( D8 c1 e6 _. v; @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ ~! z+ x8 R& ^5 _& ^2 u: H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 y, a+ [- d6 e- z% V- {/ Z. q

8 g1 M0 ?% t' y; P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 V; u/ a! v' h; s1 ~

! b: E  y/ w1 f( C( t' n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& `0 \# X7 O8 l2 B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 u1 ~2 E" n! W2 A2 d5 W
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ X9 s) y3 b' }) V6 Z2 qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- y: E; N1 M, L3 b$ u4 }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.