Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* z1 B, G0 G" x/ ]+ m* n* r我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 {2 @3 ?+ @) [$ d5 k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- A* I: [0 s! e. v+ E& u道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 _2 j9 K( B2 G( E) E( |- @) j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# p* l9 T5 S; k) e! e6 h; ]1 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 ~8 ^4 ~" D1 C# P1 i. T

% P; d( N  [: o2 V& VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 L) Q, O% {* I2 s! q3 \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ B7 M9 D; x. a9 e

" W0 c8 }8 y6 `& h0 Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." A$ K5 v8 @6 h* M2 l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ a/ s% t. a7 Q" o我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. t  G/ ?6 c; i# A) p9 M# P# \* i真的!!這不是反話
' k* ]" I8 x1 D# ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ f* D+ c1 x8 N; K6 Z' O所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- `: F: N/ l2 y" c3 k* P* |+ O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( y; T8 r' v5 Y' A% z# q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
# A( ]; [- R, _" Q/ v+ j正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 {# P+ M7 M- d7 P  K  F) |2 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' e) ^; b+ X, U: J/ R: V) QWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 W& l$ o8 F! ^$ v4 ^" j! L

6 D* I/ ^9 P* i' t6 ~4 o; \) GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. T' D" R! J) Q0 @1 DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- {# D1 k  {. X3 Q* P- I  y
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 \- s. C! E" |( J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ d' h2 f# h8 Y"不信也沒損失"
1 b' l# l+ i" b: h# B* t& x9 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% k' ]  ?/ M0 o; o1 Q: l- F! ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' W' t) \$ O7 G/ u: k0 R. ~it's starting because we have sins......0 j6 B8 c6 W2 a& r7 g6 P) G8 g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) t6 t7 i; ^7 t% @/ z4 D" b2 sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ o( L! G& m, Y3 ^* S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 @5 M1 M3 `* |$ q$ a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 j# ~1 }) |( R) V2 y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 C0 w' k( z/ O  I, l+ F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ F+ t$ q. X2 K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 w; J4 t4 m# I+ ^; E
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 v. m; h# [) M) [) G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( g) y9 C1 R6 E( _  c, g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 J* q7 Z9 s4 y0 O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' U$ Z' n0 K8 U8 q7 \! H( G* M% V' D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* h7 X; ~! X5 `! e5 k

6 N+ G+ S9 H5 B+ O( n- I+ ?3 K* @宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. F5 [. s3 R# @/ T: j" d7 s8 _+ t1 `
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 ]# w' X& e: ?( u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' f; X1 Z# a. q! c& a以下是其他人的見解,
  K2 v  R! x/ C. s3 K: m( r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 B' K7 P; q: w: J
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- {9 R+ J9 U) d7 e: Z& ?, v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ \( D7 J. n, J$ U* Z: Q) ?
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, O4 n" O. n; D8 w. i1 M.............信耶穌... ...

$ g! p' u% d  Y. Y/ f, mRegarding the resurrection....
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  B0 {. j) `; b! q( F" X3 R, t9 XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- }( |2 _' V* Y. YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.