Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* G3 E* f8 I: Q: B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 K5 ~0 o; T9 O$ _+ v5 `4 b0 T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 O! U+ l  m& F& ~9 P3 d6 N# @道理我知道好多只係做吳到) R, \8 Z: g6 K) w1 A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 o- g, a9 N0 o9 g# c

% f3 u7 @% {7 f5 w& \$ D9 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 ^: c0 W6 l2 |/ bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& z8 A& l% c" i/ J0 U8 c% H

! i: t8 E" h9 l6 r- _! K, N8 Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ V& j, q) w( C% N4 d& Z' e; K3 wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ x5 f" \) o1 N# h, o3 S: Y: l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ h! x, F  n3 }+ l8 x真的!!這不是反話
, Z- r! V0 e, \7 b% m因為我是情感比理性強的人' |, Q/ j, r$ ^, e( {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 |/ e1 \. i; H% b& f3 p
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 V# b' z. P& N: W  i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
# V6 r9 t: D; F0 o正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 U. O% T( q9 V/ u& t6 V0 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. Z1 c0 O3 ]% _, }) N5 eWhat a statement we have here?: ?; a. W- _8 u/ Z. [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , F5 H+ x, [. D' e: F

9 A$ s8 g2 s. ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ q6 `  l5 h& S* d! _$ @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 H- V+ n: j( S. P3 {: [. K( f"不信也沒損失"
; `# f7 d5 ~4 \* g. {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) y2 g; M& g5 N6 e' hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ J8 W& V7 I. Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . U, z' |; ^' i& q6 x9 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ^7 g' F1 r: B( `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% t  |5 J: K; B! m+ q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" ^/ K) q$ ]0 u- V# s- X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ e5 g; c/ z; c) m5 D# l9 W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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- H  b) {6 o+ B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' ?5 b3 @6 h2 s6 [; t+ a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 T- m- Z% {6 a8 M0 J% @2 U* |2 L2 r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 Q1 f# V* |! S$ X; N' S3 Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: M1 I* Q$ a' t3 [5 q, L# m. r

' Q# h+ q  B6 b3 [2 Z以下是其他人的見解,
& H' T6 L& r4 x0 d5 s看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# d4 j* t' B+ m8 o' U$ ~
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: K- H7 ]8 F' H0 J
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: Q" B6 }; u' g% X. e5 W# N) d
.............信耶穌... ...

. X8 P8 J; z5 B) GRegarding the resurrection..../ \" Y: M: E2 {! |8 |0 ]1 X' {

. z  k& O1 Y, j6 h! B4 v4 F$ q8 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. ]* i; L; g+ p8 |7 Q0 o& U/ TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.