Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# L5 [/ P/ I* M9 @3 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 u7 n- u- b- J( v+ }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ w" y3 O% z9 P0 ]6 ]+ v道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 `) t; Y0 M9 h+ f; P# C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 R3 C( i. j! ^; ]; H$ I$ ?5 [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 i1 k7 _- c4 H* p1 D. Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 R. e# o' R1 Z* k; i/ u" h$ |0 Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 [3 J  |9 Y3 S1 ]' V2 g4 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 |3 B+ V% u! j1 t. U! e0 v2 P因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 M: }2 R: _9 Z; I6 J所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 b+ w- V! y6 ^# L7 W! v8 f! K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& A( ^! L$ F; w' S+ o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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8 V4 g- l3 L8 t( v3 O7 }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 }6 q! E. ]  J' m* nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ ~1 }" J- ]; I4 f( f2 r1 c* b0 M

8 ]. y7 ]/ [3 Q. E7 f8 K, B$ iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" w( e5 M6 y, k1 f, @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, N3 p6 Z/ M4 L, M* e! d0 Q  |/ YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: J8 v" m6 e6 l* s8 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ [" C$ B7 l4 _( W) M0 g2 ~8 m
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it's starting because we have sins......
% F3 {9 ]' [# y, p) {4 p- m* Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ N' ~$ o3 n3 j  f/ qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ b' l4 m* i) z7 ]- j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 a' Q* C; I5 V) b% d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 u/ R* d" x. w7 [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* M2 M4 S6 V& E4 w  F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; b6 H; E& I# u% @  P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; |! }: i# d$ m; \9 R2 G2 C" l  q

0 M: n% n2 i. f$ u( p8 x" k: L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( }: E3 D1 B6 ^6 l# R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 a3 T3 D" l, Y; A
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 C5 A9 H7 ~! q

. @6 G* b) w' J0 e5 ]; T以下是其他人的見解,
$ a! W5 ?" B+ H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 Y! z* i  p* u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 |! A" i& S: H* k, j* Y

; I; {0 \  p1 W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 g8 r9 n, X) }, q; Z+ {- g

% B) g' k3 h8 L0 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. Z/ U# ~: f! j( t: R/ w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....; O, K) _6 D  \: ~/ Q2 @: C

1 `+ w9 t* H* G/ B. G/ PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' D6 A1 }/ A) s( `8 n7 K6 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.