Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; _5 S3 }2 o! ?. U7 e( w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! h% `2 z& Y% w8 E2 N- t又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ B- o/ T9 d5 b) Q( P" j8 r' Q: D道理我知道好多只係做吳到( n& ]* q& `; i% H& ]2 k: v. T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% ]/ s" g/ Z8 ]' b0 g% j$ yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 w% Z; r: {4 C; V5 s
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, n) M3 p7 x9 e( \( X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 y/ N/ i7 A! A" m/ ]* z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! n, G1 S+ F  p# y1 I1 ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- {, j- j& W1 g% z( l' K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- [$ g7 j9 P- H$ t6 Z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 b. Z; i- A: |0 _. w# c% m+ i1 l" z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ t9 d& R7 l: W# h0 Q% G/ u

9 b1 V( s# i# f- r' ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; g2 P2 E4 s6 j" t
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' |1 z9 D: h, }: v- q* P* x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# v& `: C( ]7 f7 E9 x9 ?9 X3 U" J$ QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; J6 }" R8 e# n  B; ]2 Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 Q0 |7 ]( p  I/ J* J- @

( p* Q' K: C3 P6 N* Hit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, d, |5 [! ]! A, o5 I0 V3 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ u0 a. s3 @5 B& G! ^/ R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* N) q1 {4 \* e6 b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 L$ Q4 e3 ~0 X) L  |7 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* n0 b6 O1 S: [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 b) B( G7 E0 a8 G, m
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 ]8 `# m* }! U; S' [# ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 p& T) J" _7 H3 D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ v/ K0 {$ N# d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' |. O; k7 ^) o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 i$ A6 Y# a) L! i) o2 A+ X以下是其他人的見解,
& i( |1 t$ r7 {  {( _6 m; [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 `! g! J- _+ m$ d
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 W; x. q+ w6 A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- t8 f) F/ a/ w, m& {& W3 [! O

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  g) ?7 j4 c. A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ i+ @/ j) M, P% i6 K
.............信耶穌... ...

3 \2 X/ j7 l4 I3 }) xRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.