Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 w% c) O( B( [) R' F1 u! y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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) q; v' N8 [9 E4 s+ }9 v道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 `7 H- G  |2 v4 [# z/ B8 S1 I3 u( U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 K" C0 ~% i& ]5 q1 XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, c6 Y% D% G& t9 P4 f% x  uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. Z& C% ^9 u: `3 r, u2 {4 i& c$ Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 \- P. e9 Y2 G7 ?* pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" f5 z5 r" W' y8 q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, T* ^0 j* Y* z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  I$ v7 @( ?6 X( D1 [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' H: q0 |% U) Q  S/ ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) n; h; M0 }0 R0 i8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ _' W7 G1 J# N! qWhat a statement we have here?9 N- e7 C, N4 ]4 h) G$ M

6 T4 e4 l2 ], w$ g+ oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * B) d) H4 u$ y

7 R0 O8 F0 L' Q$ J% p0 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% o4 m( g5 u% v/ b3 K" p# c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; @/ z  c4 N3 O
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 K. l6 X6 ~5 x& G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& m+ @: o! R) d2 A8 @% R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' T3 s  y, M% a" C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! @' _4 d& A6 @( j3 @

$ Q5 ^. k: ]/ c! p6 n8 eit's starting because we have sins......2 F! @0 E- u, j$ U6 @4 v+ F$ }- w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 i" P0 B) i7 ]  Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& y/ U. _4 m/ u# Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. @2 j; u1 s0 X8 `( [" c- S) b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ `" j: a! y8 J+ |7 W- }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& ?2 ]9 ?& |) \; j9 X' D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. }! j# n) {! K$ X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) N" f: t  U: D2 H& d4 q$ u5 B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 T& s0 j- s3 ?- \* H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- d1 Q8 H) Y3 W; U( F. N4 y4 q/ ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  h( S) \9 ?- S0 ~2 g& r3 M: [: R$ F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  t# \+ a* w4 R0 a! c2 Z, }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ p3 H" i& [& e5 @* C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! E8 n) N* n7 f% |. P/ R9 Y. |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' Q$ m% f: _, l3 y9 o" L" o
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以下是其他人的見解,5 j4 Z2 p( G! Q, H. t! a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 o! {" j! }/ u4 U
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* u4 p; X0 c1 N) ], z0 @& V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* X$ {- q% C, G4 O

2 j6 q5 z* a; _* l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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) r6 v& I, W: p7 Q# g* p8 QRegarding the resurrection....  |" D8 T7 d9 j5 _1 Q+ q) p9 T
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.