Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* l4 A) x1 ~3 b* |/ I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 S. Q" Z+ X, @) T0 T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# p% A8 O1 A" }# X! y! ?+ [, u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; w' m) l, I- E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 D) P+ t5 E" f; C  l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 d7 c) P. o/ r, x8 t4 A

0 x* W8 F: G9 Y" K8 L  W# astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) X  d4 F" H3 n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 V  D6 m3 n3 Y* j' |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, i% b/ p+ Z/ ?7 G! W* l0 v* c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, e3 x1 s: M: R6 W) n' D$ ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ `) E5 k. H8 w" q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ A  ]& ?- q3 M% H8 J0 k1 {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 g6 D, E- g4 i, E/ OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& Z; R! C1 Z  V" E, N/ ^8 F0 {) {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* @8 H( _+ @) D0 L5 W( {& g* |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". X; [3 x  M- N( M2 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ h9 P; |* g  b1 N: H& h1 s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 n; o: [: z* X0 ]. b, [it's starting because we have sins......
4 `, Q- Z) [, Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; W1 x1 {6 `" n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* W4 C3 p6 I! ~" _; u0 @" j! q- c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  U, h7 h5 J5 \2 C, k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ R" i+ W7 U$ X: k% h! c3 C8 J: Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 B! d! m5 g9 {& M* {7 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 ?8 Q( S( \* W: l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- J  X8 g4 ]/ l# y& L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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) v: `/ M3 s1 p1 R9 F" f1 W4 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( b/ ^9 O4 j4 x, z. S$ q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,* I( |! [# v- r! V+ {+ {! e; r$ L5 @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  \& \5 K  U1 h4 ]- i( Q3 G' v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 C- a: }& U1 Z/ n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; ~9 K3 C1 P& c. J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ P( i2 A7 H  {4 f1 Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 ^. t' E/ Y# i1 W5 c+ _) H  \& r

+ i8 ], Y- t* o3 ^# _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. N% m9 O6 j* v1 _.............信耶穌... ...

; f# V( [' h" R$ b$ ^( O. ARegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ i2 S0 n5 `5 [8 }( `9 e" ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.