Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 N; Z  N; m2 u- o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ {' d9 n8 Q: g. |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 r4 M7 A0 _- k1 z( G道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 n% v4 E, M6 X5 p7 G  o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( b3 r, Y7 y2 tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  V2 ?3 ?0 R5 F2 b9 r/ |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., ^+ D; T% S# ]) u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  G6 ^4 Z. m  C9 a' g# estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, G* N* \* H  \我只不過微小的基督徒..................." @) A( l$ g& y8 _
真的!!這不是反話$ f0 z: |* C$ d
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 t* W2 M: V6 k1 j7 C3 p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 i5 a5 r# N/ ]& c! c; i& c! a  j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# }' K4 [! `9 z' g- ~: ^' M6 H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ U: t8 Q) q5 M$ Y' L+ i& w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: T# ~. q* l: d  `+ I# B- A- ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 U" C- @5 T+ G- i) b3 G) x
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . \' _! _$ s( z6 E, ?" ]1 s

7 L% Y/ g# B* Q7 u6 lI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 r. G) Y6 I7 z9 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  D2 ]7 B& W5 }) }- u, WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 x& `" I; ~8 i  [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ D+ w' g* L3 J4 A: U5 g9 p

" |8 C1 \, R) wit's starting because we have sins......$ b) C1 [( A+ F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * D: t4 n3 ~& U/ R! M" C( D! ?* R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 c) f3 V' c! ?6 y+ u3 K/ S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# j- k2 b2 g7 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& U0 r, e  [$ v0 e) z5 ]/ J3 X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 u1 r# H- D, W* c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 l- j# Y! h9 U/ [4 n( N  s3 [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! U4 y$ Z3 W1 W% u

6 l" W7 t) C# l7 r  i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 ]( [+ Q: U( M5 L" T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# r6 ~- S8 i4 d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* N8 T5 P4 q+ p& V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  x8 T% K+ f: G+ e' |" s0 z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 ~- [& _' p4 ]0 H" ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 c: y; r8 p3 V* J& u* c/ F+ G" O看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 k5 i+ X1 O  B% u, _0 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 M2 u! d: b; L+ A# _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 r% S, c5 @8 @+ `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! L6 H9 K! F8 l% a7 @; z# c.............信耶穌... ...

5 R3 g1 Q* Q3 vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.