Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# z! B; S3 z9 [0 _0 G" A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 @0 [2 _+ a- SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 `$ L- @. p4 f* O

  {6 S) `! k$ K6 A* v# MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., Z: y2 s, C2 j+ u3 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 X' m. O5 ^. Z* j3 m- T8 W我只不過微小的基督徒...................% ~2 u, c/ k+ d7 D7 b" Z
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  ^7 T8 B( p! x  \! d( C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ k! f" b; F/ U1 f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 c$ `, p% p2 z% O# E
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; r! s2 b& m0 c" b) t9 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") i2 y4 @2 t% g8 K6 t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
! \" \+ q- ?! |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 @6 ~) U# o1 u- p4 ?* v3 w5 N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ ?& s8 S) e4 D! _/ T* f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 S9 G( d6 Q2 t/ V! d  Q1 G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) O" J, P% k6 {" s1 F# C+ _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  x" f# A) a+ j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ V. Y# S, M/ |4 a0 K) W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 L% n% y2 `* E/ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 i. q, N: V% r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# ?/ A, l" {" K- R8 A1 w; @

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 \" @3 X7 j8 A" {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' ^# {0 k1 V4 s! ?

" ^" p2 _0 y4 z, G$ j* r: O* p以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! A0 m0 ]& ~& M& t: d4 x7 @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ H; _7 x- e' r# K3 [* H8 _' ~; w

7 ^5 r9 P$ W* a& B9 h0 K1 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  M# M- l8 f+ V, ]7 m2 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: \+ G+ ^" a  ]. J  n, ?) @) _$ a.............信耶穌... ...

0 {. J6 |0 a1 v& K! i6 @5 D6 CRegarding the resurrection....; {/ L9 }5 @. z9 ]1 I1 B( h9 l

  R8 r& `, ?( R/ i+ _  m3 m$ GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.