Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 R/ k. i; M; o* I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ @" G" w" w5 y  N& }$ h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 i& f2 a# t' r9 @2 {  |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  i! z# |, h- U' u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 L8 |, z4 i; R因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' N2 S; m! X3 y8 Y$ D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- ]+ [. B" ]" A' L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  a1 W+ v% Q: o/ y# A2 [1 |9 l: C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# G$ w+ Q" k7 c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! W, ~% U, D# j9 \& [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + k  j$ t! F5 |! f6 f/ ^, B1 M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 G( N, V) n, r! O' Z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" o6 K; q5 _, z% ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": j; e" t" j2 S5 I! F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ v  r$ o) _) }" m/ h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) x$ ]5 Z* h+ N: r: V$ Q+ w! r
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 X7 V( N' Q* T4 }# w/ q9 t& y" ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% h3 I: i) z' t- E; ^- ^. mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 w8 ?3 n. C- `1 O. T: O" v* s$ L2 q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 [4 i6 q- b/ `5 o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 t% I0 M: p7 Q" o: y# `/ h8 D7 I+ w* ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 m" O. I4 y: M" u( O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 x) x' t2 A. o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& U9 N/ s- `# V2 x% m( f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; e$ w: c/ X" U  t  y0 l& F1 o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, [' U  I( \' }; r- A
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 w5 W0 Z8 D& r$ Z8 Y$ _4 T

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, S- O$ l( B4 h. B( \9 a& f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: E8 d+ ]5 g! X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( a# r5 n; {" `+ [

- }5 [+ X; M5 D( ~1 d. D以下是其他人的見解,# a$ [0 b  ^4 @: u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* k) \9 n0 a0 i
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 ?6 g, m2 s6 h4 \5 J& N6 s: a

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. B  s: l3 [. m- W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 V% l7 G7 T& l" T: v2 g# R0 M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, J+ j" y. f8 f; e; u& j) e- y
.............信耶穌... ...

$ N" u2 E3 F5 s& H# o1 [5 P( sRegarding the resurrection...., Z- M& o' W! L  \- `

9 l& v7 S$ _8 }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* `# l8 Z7 s8 ], M
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.