Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 K. P) q: E0 s8 A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 B* i2 A* C' o' y& Z: @) G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 m: S! a# ?4 l" |5 f道理我知道好多只係做吳到  U& T" E- @4 ^* r5 y, P5 p2 a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 P7 N; j; T+ e/ B7 m6 TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 j6 p  L2 ]# _9 j7 Y" c. L

8 K$ p, K/ y  v2 W" Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 Q9 p% k- {, \, _0 R. r. M8 {3 K

  `% ?$ f; F/ m, e5 F4 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 Y* ]2 L- L; p6 a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 K2 o' W+ }2 L) u0 P8 P; G真的!!這不是反話4 Q# ^& `. _" e0 g/ i7 K
因為我是情感比理性強的人- v* n& u( K, F  i( i
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 [: ?4 l9 t$ a5 M, }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. Y3 ~% Y7 j% Q* f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ \( Z' V% W, S6 b" f$ m- z: _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" w5 G9 c- {2 X8 _; R3 B+ ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 @, i3 b2 M  ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 J  @( i. ]. U. y, l' b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 P+ u  s: `, Z9 ^8 |; e2 ^8 x" D"不信也沒損失"
/ J" y- M/ |+ kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' d2 ?) \  W5 \6 n5 {6 j" Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ E% ]- ]2 T1 |1 M9 s7 [" m
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it's starting because we have sins......1 w4 T' M% Z% S7 h% t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + ^9 A/ M7 ]5 c+ }& Y$ f" S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! l9 ]3 f4 ~. t) x7 z9 K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 b( A, Z0 i& A. ?3 i& R  r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; l/ r  u1 }" h, Y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: ~0 x7 w4 D, F# W# n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 T+ O% K6 n+ \- l( B6 t! h( \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' {. l( q, a4 Z/ V  Z: o$ a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ W# [; Z. ~) Y+ |. D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 F8 ^2 e; |$ l& O* U/ n6 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. Z5 A/ J1 p: y2 j: c5 M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) H0 w% q$ J. I

/ p7 t$ b0 k5 t) ~宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: F: Q* n$ v0 o# m4 `9 W) E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ P( P% u+ V5 O8 t3 \9 ~
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 y8 o& l3 n5 z; A9 _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& o7 T. z; C$ s- g# V

+ H& r" k; I- H5 G6 _# Q8 i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- U* E& t7 ?4 T, }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 M4 P0 m7 J# Q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  |! _, o8 Q! w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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" s3 ~+ H1 f/ [8 o4 k, ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.