Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 D) `+ Z" F2 o& [% f我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# s+ `; T  T9 H7 \; l' t" q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! z, N9 \; r: C+ W/ d* C; y9 BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 }8 w/ J& I2 K

; f. p. p* f+ r8 iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 V% A/ f7 Q$ Z# L
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* h" v. N, M7 p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; |( _# b  L' R! U5 v2 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" n' _+ k3 [( |2 \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人' M; U% h9 T( p0 H* K# Y7 Q! R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ l6 s  j7 h- {9 f5 e* r  b' y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* S- g* f/ I  S+ c8 }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: t% _& t3 z! q! R: E) M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* {9 ^2 B) U, N6 Q  F7 \What a statement we have here?
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# `4 d" i  S  {1 M' \, YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# n8 ^- `9 B; |5 I& @% WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ Y  h& z/ }$ k: w; O2 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  J( C- H1 @6 n4 `it's starting because we have sins......& u' I. u. |) g; M0 f- V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ Y5 {% Y# b+ q# `3 ]. Z3 n/ W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ F4 G  k& v+ @& A: A只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ \6 x3 a* {! H7 Y8 Z3 p0 Y6 c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  Z1 C4 d% ?7 A" a0 B; L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! ]$ b! h5 B% k2 v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ [0 y5 s* F5 r% z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 e# y$ ?: t9 f4 k: i. H. ~8 C! f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( z/ ]7 i% U% f5 H. S7 u$ l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# R! v3 Q: t5 E) t
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 u2 `% B* f' t" p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  ]: Q" G% n' ]: i' _' D6 z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 _" {- Y) L) E' p. o  b/ S( G0 w! j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; K. h/ Q! I  \! c. ~: s! ?

) u+ U) |* K) C. A- E' G以下是其他人的見解,2 s# Y$ J2 ]* a' ]4 y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 X. M6 h6 j2 A0 h

% q  G3 b9 N3 Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) ~& h5 F1 ]2 ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% X* V: Y0 C0 p; r4 M

) U) O1 `- n7 p- {7 c0 K8 V- I3 J8 q/ M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ {. m" X4 i5 V2 O.............信耶穌... ...

% b0 Z0 c( K; i' h, {Regarding the resurrection....0 L/ r1 b$ K7 l+ Y8 H
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9 R9 i( `$ w) {0 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.