Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 C, r4 h4 ~6 y6 r  P: R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 N4 |8 I( D3 W$ d
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 G3 `$ ?* X7 w$ q1 C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 l' n1 n# d' y! {  ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( i- P/ p1 ~" N& QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) T0 I$ C: n8 T+ @; U1 W

* J7 y. X& y0 tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 \4 ]" T- L9 r0 m$ o6 R( V

1 j; {: @5 N& v' N1 F, Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' w6 D1 g. ~, wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, N- b; x6 Z# w, E# m# L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人8 k3 |1 M8 J8 z4 d3 ^, X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 E& g3 |: E/ M- d" x( X4 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' T$ A* i3 O/ d8 ?; ^, b/ r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?1 b* G' ?- r( T. W  e$ C
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 N. P5 m! c6 r. P
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ F* P( l+ l6 S- s* i- O  WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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9 x/ Y8 o, Q/ l5 T# k6 j* k[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ X+ Q% o( R/ y1 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! _* O3 [) B8 J; _* yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ E% F$ u2 s$ A9 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" |  W) @% d# bit's starting because we have sins......
1 _7 b- V  W9 a: N1 R) N* p) tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  C* n8 s9 y8 P$ {& g7 Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". f) B; G% B1 Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 I/ U1 b: e: h; R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- v' G6 \* S. q- h4 K1 z. j& B, ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 W. x! Z/ \6 q! c; L8 d0 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' ~7 I4 Y" g4 v4 T+ t7 \7 C8 j( [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& j% h$ g% h! T0 d) R$ P% F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& l+ d# X* h9 X$ W- w# j改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) B/ Z: _" V1 E) P% p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, e1 Q8 a  A6 n7 {+ q' r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ b: S# @  k6 g8 ]; {& u5 n以下是其他人的見解,
0 H. g4 @3 f1 m6 a$ A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 M( u6 Y7 b, u# p1 v, ]) t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 i3 G0 \, l, R- b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 c: f2 b" x* q: }+ |- q) l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" u2 @, c. W$ f
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) j6 v5 d) }  ^6 n& [/ }; x.............信耶穌... ...

! }/ r, v4 \+ ORegarding the resurrection....
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' J0 o* P; }# h- Y# s! M& PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# O$ F- w) U( S, i6 n- Z. HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.