Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 ^1 f3 P( I' V: l  e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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9 E0 O# Q8 T3 D3 O) {+ ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- P7 T7 I! m) Q" R! p

5 w# u, S3 b7 Z/ Z+ B; vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) g; q0 V" ]) b* r- n

6 r( V- Z  O% A% D% n! X! `5 N9 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... C' y( H/ o$ @; i; D+ O
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 _, z9 |; y% i5 @! S6 Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 T5 l, |( g8 g& [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
) ?5 U' H( i7 a9 w真的!!這不是反話
" e, T7 {: L/ \1 Y+ j因為我是情感比理性強的人
  X- J& B; V, ?. Q7 W. L8 `, I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; s- R3 o4 j. U3 `* E" ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," s% l$ m% {& D: s; h( a3 c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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( L/ x" j8 z' r) M7 O$ ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( C# ^! z+ _! d+ z+ J- DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* U6 }3 F- r7 f* g) v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 M; K- ~% n$ c7 ^! l
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 J1 }0 E, Q2 y2 V: C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  E6 W9 b: q9 Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 V& L7 @, D. Z+ _, o
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it's starting because we have sins......$ S" x( V0 S, ], a, I2 \0 F  @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; Y# y6 M4 z" A- r  c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 M  d, O. {6 h) S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; J  g) o% i5 c4 G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& V& q5 ]9 f# j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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7 c5 a. x/ H4 Q$ o' w3 H3 V3 |: n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 L/ M) c7 K* X$ V. ]/ a改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 H! d& x  L3 o) T1 O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& `9 @) ]( G: B" \

+ w2 I3 e) N8 l) T4 K2 V1 _/ M9 r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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/ ~, s7 j2 z* P% P+ ]5 C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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* A# N0 i8 ?0 @' f以下是其他人的見解,
: w1 J* J9 y' X; l1 M看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 `3 ^4 }. \" W2 P
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 G' J1 ~$ m* R, C
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ Y+ j# g, f) g8 V- a3 A8 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; ?, F) u, l8 ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) @0 S/ ?, |) ?5 T: d0 [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ x" x9 Z# `1 s2 U" n" dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.