Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; l# \) l# P; g$ o4 M( Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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7 y8 q! i, u6 R, X& E% b' _道理我知道好多只係做吳到) u/ ?' o- c4 u5 {: P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 ?* [( X: o6 _2 zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' t' `; E  W6 q5 t) t& ?/ TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) I! d8 O2 g! P" A7 U
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 `# f8 k) N1 f' H) U8 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  W5 T- m0 u# q, F' z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  ?3 Z; l# D% |: E' I: j+ X; a5 t因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 {# @0 C: a. w, ?6 L" q; Y6 y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' s4 p' \; _+ t2 R* Z( h7 B3 {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 v+ Y+ \% v, p- x$ [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 f1 o/ M  F  X) w3 H- @8 B* {0 T$ J- s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ h  U! a2 _  C' E+ g* N1 s9 [# r

+ {8 e) X) n4 J# A: [- IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 S( ^& C+ q/ Y
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ P/ C' X% |( ~+ C9 H2 x"不信也沒損失"1 E+ y3 ], N: ~$ V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! }. B' @+ m( _4 x, kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; \& I6 x; x2 Q, V
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it's starting because we have sins......; L8 z8 b' q1 q4 |( V! [: ?. V. i+ k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 R2 s9 r/ i/ a" r8 r4 l3 y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 P  g" B6 ~( w8 Y6 x4 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" ~1 B5 T. |/ |8 S+ v) x2 t2 Q+ Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; n9 y. c( g: j/ c; @8 K- e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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2 J4 Z3 @% j, p# h$ Q1 j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; s7 A5 i1 Z  w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 z& y. U6 v% s  R! P1 q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% [: E; x$ @6 h9 w5 x
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* s' `: x4 z0 F) k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* L; v: U- \3 s, e: |! `& Z6 c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) {9 E3 ^* M9 B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 x0 t1 N% r4 w: S+ @

4 N3 D, L) N) w6 g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 Z* E: e3 p: t! N1 x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 e4 n% F+ i' _% N! F# ]
.............信耶穌... ...

* ?2 G0 a, `1 r* a; Q& ^& DRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 \# t) L* A! o6 n1 xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.