Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ c% [7 o* Z: g' s) O1 u! l( A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- }# J+ ?% S5 @# b4 |# s/ I0 s% UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 ?$ b: z7 Q* Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 _# N. y! G$ p$ W& d7 p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, l3 Y" m' s7 X4 q" ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* z& a( i1 o1 n, y8 p; E' G
真的!!這不是反話: `1 r* n3 i( N7 z, U2 k+ b
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 B! r' N/ \: ?( v5 j2 S9 O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# w" L9 e* A& L. {0 z2 l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' [* ?  b8 y5 c* c1 b) N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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/ E, x( N1 N& t1 E8 p; @, wWhat a statement we have here?# P7 N+ n, Q- H4 l  \

5 H: L$ S( v+ ]6 u$ H  oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! ]1 c  `0 X* o; P  UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ f" b" [. B9 y/ V7 qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 ^6 }! f8 F7 A) y7 h# }
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 x' C3 C0 N) S, t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 f; X3 P6 Y1 O, OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' {) y( v, z7 q1 |/ m2 \$ y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 W2 D0 R% f1 G  C( v6 m! T. p. Tit's starting because we have sins......" S) a8 d1 x- e+ u) }0 o0 }- q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": e. D/ H0 A6 g4 J/ d* q! V  `# n- w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" b. i/ s2 y0 `% S5 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ n1 f; i  {! X7 Y, F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! p1 B, H! A+ p& U. [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# y2 i2 n( E5 X- I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 q8 J4 A; p, w4 k; @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 U& j" u; J* N8 n% U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; u. ?2 v. v9 _/ V+ `  [
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' J) e7 A8 W0 Q" @/ y/ f/ |! H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( Q* S: T" V# K/ Z% k% i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... {3 L* I# y' O3 I' G  Q

1 W) m& v* P/ w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! z" f, D2 u7 W. C- N3 R  f0 z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 j1 T; Z( u2 w( D以下是其他人的見解,
2 _: a/ L  J3 S  y# V5 Q* G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ N0 n8 @& Z9 ]; \) z% |
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) m) i7 X; o, }8 C( ]% z6 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& O# v7 r0 E" n/ a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* F# c: |& d0 r- e
.............信耶穌... ...

) x, d8 l; w2 |8 O* y$ @Regarding the resurrection....
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( E/ N+ c# |1 N; B# o6 ?0 @  [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# ]8 P+ D% K9 I- q# c/ S9 SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.