Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* [% M6 K# j" T! ~3 u. W9 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 L. B2 r; O( E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) h0 y8 _( b# o' @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 _3 I) n1 j0 c* q$ v/ j2 R6 R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! t" f6 ?0 \5 x  `- Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! S7 L1 `; p6 ~$ @* h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 D  M8 y- R' g/ p, R! A1 a. T# V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 L# p) y: z4 `5 W4 v我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 P* Z) @9 M3 r( f9 u( I3 T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" r. M9 `) c1 A4 h$ \$ Q! C6 ^/ T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ a! Q( [$ h& A7 w: Z7 X+ B9 w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  f0 ^( ^* e6 r& n( x2 o* q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ [5 m8 o6 v. i  h# K( j8 }What a statement we have here?6 Y" W& D( b" o# a) [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& ?4 E  `" y6 R+ r* tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* e6 D* a& o7 V9 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 i9 _( a7 d8 ^) Z3 {"不信也沒損失"
  N( R: g/ f* K- P- F0 |2 gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% W8 k* Y2 A2 }8 X& ]1 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 E/ F. |' _) R6 e
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it's starting because we have sins......
! a! G3 T. |" C1 X. jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% C1 e& \: V- T8 v8 [; [* E* Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 H! o% D7 b) \- T, S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% ^0 J7 ]9 M! x( R4 ^. h+ r  B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- i$ L& R5 _$ a! |4 R8 S1 {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 l: X* P9 O: }* ?3 h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 f3 v/ T9 o* a* Y- ~$ P! L8 L6 D( h  ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, e% \  ]$ d' _1 K2 e7 i: I0 T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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; b/ P' y6 C6 f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! c, c% P6 A9 f8 A) \

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 b# W# P+ c* Q( v7 d  E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! U6 g0 r& i3 p( Z1 h8 D! b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. V/ A+ L7 B8 {( j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ `& H. j  `/ @6 ^( }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, ~2 T$ W- F" [1 C4 ^( @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# J6 ]! h& e% N) K5 G$ o
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 U& u. a, N) s0 V/ [! m

: a% y3 ^" G( P3 m0 h% \7 s" zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.