Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" K# Y0 L, A9 A! X* L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( ?7 }% r. |$ D$ _/ L- w. L+ h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 C- L  ]* p+ u' m, X1 s道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ J! }/ c9 m$ ~+ d) f) X' D; Q4 D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ y' I( v" `4 Q  h: n5 j

2 G0 w1 C$ s6 r7 a( A5 NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... A$ E% t& t$ \; O+ U% D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 T8 o, E6 n7 a* e

% Z2 Z" b( A$ X" I) _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' O* |9 d1 V6 t0 k. I% ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  H* }2 {( v+ k* f' e4 K7 X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 x& Y8 B  ?" x, M
真的!!這不是反話% Y8 Q& Y$ T% l* ]6 g" P8 J& s" n
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 j* w+ V' T3 {4 O+ U
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  T  T& s/ g3 k8 n; w! v. o. |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) e5 k3 j9 l5 G9 n# i* C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: m6 t4 t3 Q$ v) Q5 D" D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: }7 x5 x. U2 s# V, M4 x4 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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& S4 `0 u: c3 Y  m/ q+ X" h+ f$ `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: g# ^' F2 P: F$ @) y( \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 ?+ v1 z. P3 w8 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# ]7 j' u) T7 R5 _"不信也沒損失"
: q1 o7 o  {0 L) XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# O2 a! g" I$ @) d) Y7 f  C* jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: j8 ^* W8 O! q5 N' J2 W: s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! ]- H' e, T9 {* z( i$ S7 ^our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 }3 |5 I' o7 v1 t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* H6 y2 D/ g% n" N  e) d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," S6 S$ m& s6 m/ I- K# N& Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 k0 u) x5 ?) L2 k# S' D" ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# E+ _8 w; U/ B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# @8 D0 o- g0 B- i) |; g8 r4 I

' Y/ B2 L( s7 \% R- P9 [7 y4 `! q8 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 @( U. r$ O0 @/ O- S/ J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# ]/ i. V& f% }) f* h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. n, ]; X9 z. B- e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, I; V2 p6 I: e4 f4 m& I* I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' ~: g# Y. p6 P% h! N! L5 k

* g, e2 ^7 ]4 A( G0 i: Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 U6 U. A6 `( m- F" q& G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
" I3 j2 T+ _; G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: `4 A( j0 ~+ M

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$ ^7 c9 s0 Y7 i* J5 D7 R; y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; E, V: ?/ p. c) s. z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, j4 {( Y0 u  o" \; u% w" |9 ^# b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 Q! ^, ~8 j, _, ]) b" ~# K
.............信耶穌... ...

) i! C  n( P/ G1 ?6 _7 gRegarding the resurrection....
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3 `4 ?$ C& r* V# FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* B/ [. K' v/ t' p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.