Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 W: p  A3 ]9 ]9 s% m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 X: m9 i- r7 h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 c- M5 V. V- ~( e  \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ C% b% n" l% y" y

; ]3 S1 J- u% pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# d; _4 t+ G2 X" p

1 b9 Y6 @4 C4 J0 Y7 J& U" vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 h/ u8 O0 r3 `6 R: _- `  }8 Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: J) @/ e1 h9 J* i3 `% P我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 C; r! O8 T: F1 y4 B* n
真的!!這不是反話) m3 X" f" \9 m
因為我是情感比理性強的人- y1 s9 \0 E" `# w( n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) }% x$ ?9 m2 P# d( p. ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% s# S, h  e! g3 U7 m3 ^0 ^2 n1 {What a statement we have here?& H. ]7 n) P  Q6 R0 m# ?( t5 M

& f: t1 F7 [# T$ p  x5 u, v- q- m9 cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ v+ \# d! a  B/ c9 NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, o# D, V* e- r3 E5 Q. Y6 J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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- c# d4 t0 T5 S* f  T"不信也沒損失"% {  I; S* ?3 @% \) ~' k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 ?+ _7 [1 e! `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 c; ~& h  g  k& Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: J2 g4 x/ u  r  q  Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; T4 V$ C3 c4 \. G* T

+ V6 ]1 G; _# A% v  s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 z$ _: _$ R+ ~" d# ~1 B0 z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 t! b0 v# ]5 ]: U( A0 O0 K, d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 `3 @; _" f+ u8 b2 G% f
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 v. t0 }! a$ _- }# j1 C9 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: z) Z: T% \6 v/ `& c

# z0 R- o+ s% \5 b. I以下是其他人的見解,
5 W0 J% p1 k5 g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# A, A) |* g. A# Q' Q2 M+ {4 c$ m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 A+ r2 i6 `& }: E! o  I. q$ t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' f- X5 P3 j* f0 A& x

/ p) A, S# t  h& H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' h9 i1 a0 s: P% O8 v  x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: P8 v6 L0 e5 e8 k7 i. T/ v$ R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ @$ V+ V7 Y, O1 X9 q) ]

( E( B' b! O% I  z8 e3 pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.