Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. y! ?% O8 V7 y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 K: n4 @- s( R2 Z0 W! V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 C, N+ q& V- E" d# y7 ^, @道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' B3 k8 T* g8 r! T  E  \4 x; J7 W呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ }8 l8 r+ q+ G  X. JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 p$ }+ k# u7 j) V& I

" t1 f. {% ]0 R, xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 F7 ?* [3 u8 P% }5 B/ b' O: C; h

0 D: V9 N& Y. l& Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 z" L1 ~2 f$ T9 R0 x. v2 Q2 D# P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 @. a$ X# [8 a  M! W% R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. l) }7 }; w9 E0 t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" N/ H  S3 [6 T; M) U! I真的!!這不是反話
0 X) ^( p. g7 B. R1 [2 a/ [因為我是情感比理性強的人
: M& F- k' v2 U" Y& P$ V所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& F* B8 P9 v$ f) A6 g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ @9 ]0 `3 V9 B' f8 U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ o8 F( z/ D' i2 b% \( C/ j- I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 h( N) G8 z! x4 c, |$ YWhat a statement we have here?9 q9 M6 h) k: a" A% P% Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( M: ~4 Z! Y/ J" O7 d! m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: i) v+ e1 U3 ]/ B( S- R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ T9 n9 J$ m( c; @/ I( {"不信也沒損失"
# a$ e2 l! a6 t5 S. ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& d9 n# }+ H* Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# P8 a, l$ u' m& Y  L6 _! c5 Iit's starting because we have sins......* [+ A, x' g, E7 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! E+ q: j6 a* n3 R( a" v# u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( e, r, L& L0 ~! P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 W1 v5 ?3 o1 Y* j. b2 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ h3 @3 F1 D7 F/ D+ X( x. }8 p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- U) g5 r$ N1 V

# [& x$ ?) G& {2 E: E  T0 T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! F- K0 r  G: ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ E+ v& s/ y" w改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' b2 b  D; w9 ]. R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 J& z( _% `1 E
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% v: M( t; I; x+ }1 |0 _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% W: g: G' x  y) y5 {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 K$ _9 _' l' D* x) W' ]以下是其他人的見解,
3 Q3 i4 ]9 f' q# q" q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 ^; b- m0 a5 K2 d- D3 x
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 L4 u! O1 |, H1 ?, @9 q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 k7 d* H! }' S7 B( R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 y2 v( X# }: D4 Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" f$ s) k! U, t, ?1 r5 n
.............信耶穌... ...

7 Z6 K! {  k5 m& H4 ]% f1 o4 g' URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.