Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 s4 F% _1 T  Z4 ]5 L我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 M: `, k: D6 s7 Z8 a5 F$ L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# O2 c0 T% d& K2 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 g, K2 z1 @4 s. P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* D. W8 H# Z+ q: M2 C8 D! CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  Z: I2 N7 {( s+ \5 f( E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 x" _7 q8 A( \1 x. K: c3 `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 c; B! o5 i  w; m' X7 e# vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 H- F3 }5 {1 P  S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 O4 Y6 E" E! ~% F真的!!這不是反話5 O& m" |5 ?4 B0 f$ \
因為我是情感比理性強的人
; Y. G" X* @5 y" [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* s3 O/ T: ?! }- O: ]. t: c+ N' [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" [% X% }+ j( ]9 Y; L/ A8 w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  U& C+ ]5 r% X  ?" ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ q/ f2 ^) Z' Z) ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. ^% U+ Z2 _8 Z  B. q5 AWhat a statement we have here?5 a* [5 l3 L* N  c( I3 w6 b: B( V

% Q& |$ r: g" m$ }# b. FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 b/ n0 {, m$ J/ h+ x' x7 K( I

( p. C# D3 m6 t3 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" o  A$ M) Z. j+ Q  M" v5 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, Z( f/ R) C1 }5 W  j  @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" D6 p3 x  V7 s"不信也沒損失"
3 _. E# |! o! `- IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 }1 S* R) x# e* z1 A% nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- i, l7 X  F! \+ z: ]4 k$ ~7 E. _) N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # ]4 r; j& Q1 i7 x$ ^( x" M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. b. i/ ^( ^. i( f, \  Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: w9 Y+ t$ Y1 w# g& l5 }, m, p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; C( \- W; P# |/ M5 `) A- ^+ T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 w& [" `  w4 K* Z+ F% y# v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. h3 z+ u' ?2 L+ a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& k- B1 Z: w# N7 Y8 T; ~. f6 ?

4 v+ T3 k2 N4 N2 \: m4 w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( o; F, e* T1 W3 a$ Q0 h, h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., U+ [) W7 o6 r" F

' e7 B7 s) s& Z1 Q8 M% d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 O4 Q3 q- Z' Q3 J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ M4 H7 ^# {4 \( [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 n0 q; }1 h) I0 }; Q, x

8 X* {% ~* Q+ j  a以下是其他人的見解,
0 Y6 j* V1 O% l" P: x" w; H1 g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( p$ k* O/ L& t6 ~' n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 A* F: m+ O4 {5 @/ f0 i: |% W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 y" i: N) k7 z

! S9 V# ]# Y1 m! |4 a% }' C7 {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 I9 ^0 O5 X2 S; Q/ L2 h' O& @. t% x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' n% k+ j) p# o8 A" P  [.............信耶穌... ...

* e  K: q0 B/ U  s1 R2 p% NRegarding the resurrection....6 p/ Y" U- ~1 \) d% K6 I* ?

/ y3 U: [  \$ YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.