Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* e* w2 L& w, x& ]8 S/ b3 \1 L% R/ ~  C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 }: g! Z* x/ ?) r& Q9 U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 E/ j3 D/ _7 n# C, n/ M) b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ B. k) Q6 P% Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& l3 n) H" p8 P! L. P- S: ~4 p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 O9 W4 o. a: [1 p6 @6 i

* K3 A" X7 i  ^0 l2 }% V6 {5 ?5 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 _7 ]- U3 b3 v/ i3 `! e* m1 z% J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 J4 x4 {/ o3 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 X  c/ j1 N( g7 v; t. c/ V
真的!!這不是反話: X0 p! g" p" x! V/ T
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 T+ i' [" ?4 s' L  z2 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 j! M7 O' |/ ?& n$ S' d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 _8 |  `4 c/ g: ?* Y8 @/ x+ `What a statement we have here?
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8 B# Y7 V, |, D2 \8 NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 i& N, G& @; f0 {; J+ }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: r) A* j! l5 V6 K

( d; F# z( g! L# P( I* y9 `! BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) j# H& Q2 {: P, Q* d$ {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( l$ ?8 T1 [7 l) u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ M' Q9 H. B' i6 a$ N5 a% CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... J! z4 x; [2 Q1 v% \8 J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 o. {. e/ \) _( G& {$ {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ i% G  e6 Y  r: R, b# i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," E" r3 {: B& P% I" M% v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  @& Z8 }# d& |  D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 u0 l4 k" A3 _( _- X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 T! {1 z  G) [

3 n: c$ w7 a: U" ?0 f以下是其他人的見解,! L" c" {6 D( P% Q/ Q' V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& E# B( _3 v" f& C8 E5 f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ A* d9 b- t# @# ]0 ^. r
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" p7 [# q: [. d1 t9 s: ].............信耶穌... ...

5 i8 U. U7 v& J/ ]" W! a* @Regarding the resurrection....
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+ F; \, _4 }5 a- a% ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.