Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; J  e# R, n/ O+ G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ N( V2 Q: Z# P: G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: b; S: _1 C3 e- F1 Y# v8 o- x2 Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到# \) _. Y+ u- U3 J% H  ~/ f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: G1 i& O" k  q+ }( CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  k8 L- o+ |( {" u% b1 I0 L  k

2 D# l$ F) ^7 O" sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; Z' N7 ?6 r  b3 V: r( g! n# \& r
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 n* p9 V" t" C' l+ N- k' q

1 J, \/ K1 U( F% xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; k0 y% M: M; S+ y$ W$ X8 A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; E: s, M0 B6 O! X我只不過微小的基督徒..................., N1 G5 N3 x( L, t
真的!!這不是反話
$ y' c$ L, j3 I6 [1 N. K因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 T- D$ \/ f. C, B! t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. E  Z0 f0 j9 V; T2 ~, S% h% P4 M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  @$ L% ~+ `% |2 `6 [, F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* w  x: K  S' |! E! h4 W# HWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 Y% ?6 B3 i4 G3 _

9 j% B4 o  w0 p- c5 N7 {4 ~: eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* ?" [; n/ f1 v5 s% T% E7 Z: [% bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  p- v2 x2 f9 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' j0 B" [7 W  p+ G. }' h"不信也沒損失"2 m$ ]) U3 }' G- Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......* R9 @" |" p" A7 @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . Q; N6 [5 v& E+ z0 j$ i. [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! `* y! J7 ]6 u; F" X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: i: B6 m" m- B% J% s; o* B) ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 R: D$ t* u* L! s  J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* u0 Q7 W& n  {: j* l6 ~1 U3 w& E
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 {* ~' ]* @' o. z, D- x4 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 ^% e9 H% b; u9 r1 g8 f' y4 V1 e

; v; M% B) J5 q# g& {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 h( ^" m% p+ q8 Z/ ]  n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% W4 n; K* l8 e$ V3 {  V  j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 ^0 w8 r, p! Z' I- C4 a

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& o6 P7 |" d6 d2 d; ^2 D4 D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! _. ^! E* |5 d2 d% Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  d  B4 Q& z) M
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; k) a/ T/ ?% x/ Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 q" ]- {, i7 l1 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. Y, |+ O& z! ]7 b( d7 j( Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ q+ G% R! `# X. @6 Y$ e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 e4 [8 |$ d- W/ M$ E.............信耶穌... ...

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' q: y: F8 r5 f6 b. y' Y$ hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* S2 u/ r! x1 t. t8 ], l

% ?) Q2 D2 b( X: X1 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.