Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 [+ t  ~0 s1 Y9 i! t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* R) J0 L$ S! ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 v& U) ]& S/ G4 B6 q& K, j5 S$ P道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 l9 U! |8 H- Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' N. D) P: Q% [2 r6 j' s0 ?& B

" S9 A0 H, ?. ^  NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 a# X& n# {: H7 i) l2 \

! Q# h% [3 I# n2 x, {9 @" Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 D1 ^! X  c/ l  [

* }- h- x. p) C: istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' Z% ^; n2 x; p* j6 v) b5 \8 b7 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 }( r0 Y$ p, t. p" M/ Q7 a# E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 W# e; T: J# `真的!!這不是反話
9 D  h; s8 r1 u" p; O; x1 i( ?1 @  P因為我是情感比理性強的人
- L# C' v/ q+ N" T' @, X所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) _9 r! r0 w; T- i8 K9 q" I  I8 [; L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- p) O1 ^! ^7 [4 g  T. ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# U! g$ x9 H( Q" d1 K; Y$ s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?2 o7 z& ?5 H1 |) ?8 a0 o/ A9 C

& O  r) m, A5 E& C- T4 M- a3 AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 f1 E+ @; T5 x
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 w0 v7 E, g$ V' @3 J: s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 E3 w0 x, Z! m9 T1 e"不信也沒損失"
$ P* Y' t; X2 C: nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 \9 p  }6 @2 k( ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ R+ I5 m( O/ b0 {- g0 fit's starting because we have sins......
$ R5 b4 ?; Q$ Y( E. h8 m, Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) }  C: E4 W, Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 a# b$ Q& J$ x2 @: T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. y. u) C7 x2 s" A8 X5 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ L! u$ {$ b# u9 F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 h, A& i; h% P3 z  ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ h5 }: H: f0 a* H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' _. J3 c! j  b- {6 I( T

; k1 O, ?, g3 I# Y* Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# f: }, E( N) w5 q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; M: p4 N6 Z1 x1 O  W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  f- S! p2 E9 r" c' k* }4 c+ F4 f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- F& z) l. F. y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 V; T: k- O! Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. @7 `% I5 H0 z2 D  Q0 ^7 \, @" h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: ?: F- W/ |) C4 W( q2 L* m, w: y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ C5 \. }% k) S% }! A+ t- N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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+ b* C9 H7 c' `$ T: u$ ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# B- u! _4 b" g1 I

9 Z# o2 r8 ~+ Y9 N( O* b; l; t! Y  U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% o* B' \0 I2 b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- o3 Y, x* b9 W  T5 q) T: d& d.............信耶穌... ...

1 C3 R+ M" @& kRegarding the resurrection....
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4 Z5 B4 L9 P9 n. {% V: kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.