Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 b2 o5 y! i& U! G0 s% t我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 K0 E- [7 A: t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 |  K4 J# H7 K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! v/ `- {8 o% a% M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 C5 e) n0 p  E8 n  TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 R7 n' C! f- W" Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, \. G- p7 I6 A2 {2 u' h; o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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. |# Z; z& I: r( W* N. V3 E2 W, Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# E/ a  N2 ]- X! E8 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) b: ~4 ^9 j& \$ m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& R1 l! P, a7 _6 |$ g- `2 a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # v1 ^* K: f* K

0 r. w) Z3 F2 |+ zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; M5 o3 F1 c  S$ M% v& p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 g) {! G# y; i% o& c2 w, P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", d8 J8 h& B7 R) {' Z2 J# T0 y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; m3 V& L  R$ [! P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ C8 z' x8 g; ~3 U2 B

6 |% R, H# K& t" R* ]8 u6 jit's starting because we have sins......7 S+ F1 E1 r0 g& G6 ^3 S4 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 Q% ?" K7 p: Q5 h% ~. v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 \! a$ ^9 m! l3 ]! G只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: J3 A: t1 G& k0 J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' `" P* L5 ^" g( Z, h) ^: i2 R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 x5 W7 g" o' x6 ~( \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. w% m& e, W0 I: c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 q- v9 s/ i% o' k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ L* r6 k4 u- S! E8 W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) Q( c8 i' Q) o. p" g! A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 C: T5 e; e7 S' |8 Z  s8 t% @# u0 ]# t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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; E  _% g- p  S6 e" M* l8 n8 y/ e) P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 V* _% K/ b/ d6 l2 c" Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- O$ W" V3 @) i以下是其他人的見解,
$ w/ F7 g% x4 g# L3 r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 t4 h' \* s  V. ]/ ~8 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) W) h; s3 l. k9 }- j5 s2 ]

& Q  ?8 a& [' B; E! W! u4 ]" G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! i( y7 j* o5 W2 w! p* ^0 R, y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 O0 S+ |/ x+ b0 `3 L! U

! Q; h7 `& Z8 T; H/ _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; H4 a3 c3 A! eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.