Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( L0 ^: G2 d* W; b, k5 [我係一個連自己都吳信的人! t, t  J+ ]" F9 I4 |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) y% ~# T3 a+ j  H/ H道理我知道好多只係做吳到  e1 w5 V% P1 n  ^5 h+ ]; E, k- Q/ l( }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& F1 O9 W; q$ \4 c

3 P9 @( P5 u$ z6 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 R' O* f- a5 [" tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 s3 w! ]9 p. i. {" D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 Y# v5 F8 ]) l! y9 [) ?3 Z真的!!這不是反話# X5 X- _  Z, f& ~, s
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 q; z# ^9 t8 G' J( ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" `/ k. r  B) B, a" z' @) p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., W6 s6 [. o) z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 E! W( g8 F7 B2 Q( |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 Z6 S5 _4 h3 z1 O- R5 ]$ zWhat a statement we have here?
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& K; L* m) h; D! q1 k% ^  I( RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" h  V0 j) ?0 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 n) A$ r' J$ `+ h$ B

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( K, Y( X' W. x7 e7 [0 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* E5 J9 ?, b/ [9 g+ y1 ]"不信也沒損失"
0 s+ J* P" R/ @) M- RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- Q. k5 H$ S/ W7 A5 Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" F$ ~$ G6 Y( m/ _' d5 vit's starting because we have sins......
1 K% `& Q$ G) Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 W- |1 F  k8 B4 x0 hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 b7 D3 i8 x6 z1 L* d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ v& w7 e5 r9 v" P. n! c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ Q' L4 A. C6 e, {4 k) f( w: g, a& d8 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 A+ _( j% Q, p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 b2 }( m$ Y/ d& C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 X; J, u' g: m
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 \. U8 @5 C; j, ~& J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 U  h6 f' L, e" P" z1 l) n. b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! u" G# W5 \) ^4 k+ I) u) P+ B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 q- g' r, @# z& m9 h: Y6 o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 A# d5 f. B2 P7 _0 m% X

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, q$ Y# R3 s1 z* k1 q! w% Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" [% y* T( ?' Y4 x
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 X5 z# R* z( q" {! U9 [+ E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' V* Q1 Z- J5 O( S4 j) X2 y

9 v% k$ Y4 i, W" H, r* b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 `8 }! D6 N( `; r
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  H% m9 s, h# H: P7 x
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 M! `5 ?0 L8 l7 `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.