Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) S$ z) l* M% A8 [: @4 J$ F9 E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 U. o. `$ P3 n, A  H6 `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ J3 J" b+ {. B# Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 G! M! a4 Y: w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 @, U' B: J2 G: r8 x3 t+ p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... S3 T; M7 @; Z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# S. P$ j& F: W0 I$ P* w, i1 O/ Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) j3 m5 Q) B, D& L! p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# M  t1 d6 @. [) _: A$ l/ i* S$ X# [
真的!!這不是反話9 e. p8 g% x8 k- i; z. _% H6 I) k
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 m) N% X$ v8 ]6 Z# |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( Q2 r3 w9 z/ }0 O# j0 Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 X8 I/ X6 G1 T- W% p5 A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, D( f) A8 l/ c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& ^. V: E6 J1 I8 J. EWhat a statement we have here?2 {; Y0 @2 ]) Y1 H1 s% ]

5 ^$ ?: V: P, B! eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 Z  l- |: L6 K" n" x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# s" B: ]8 I9 |" r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 F! |! N+ |  O# c3 V" h"不信也沒損失"
; X4 H# q1 e+ |- d+ K0 j* yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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% v7 X* t% T; Zit's starting because we have sins......' v% ?. l% ^7 I: q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 E/ N4 @/ s0 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 J) |. q0 i$ w" O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 k" F) L8 x. c. r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 \; R( `' w0 l7 E6 g+ a' a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 v) }* e6 O! S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% _6 q/ M% L; y& k9 P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, A" \% {5 @  y/ ~8 I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, o, o  l! ]8 f" H) O5 @, P8 P/ }5 e0 H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. u' L: Y" ?$ z; Z7 B  k
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 _" Y& x: j( {' S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! t, D! l- E- r! P' o0 N

! i+ i3 y# ]2 C2 z/ N! q: }以下是其他人的見解,/ S) f( K6 Y2 F- O& v+ [3 ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 _3 P3 [  o8 Z8 y6 C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) \9 w8 c8 c9 e/ q! o.............信耶穌... ...

' Z! d$ A5 Q7 x" N6 z( v9 @Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 ?4 |5 T1 s6 b3 k3 B( J0 Q3 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.