Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 T# G( R& J: C$ O我係一個連自己都吳信的人! j# _* G. `/ R8 D- S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, u7 w% l3 r7 N1 m) l道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' n% V) x- }8 C% `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. J+ l3 ~! _( F  fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 @3 a4 s8 z3 \, o7 _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' r$ x1 \, V) {/ r

) g1 y' ^4 Q& `. z) B- Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# l& c2 h7 O6 R3 ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; @1 y9 h9 K& K0 |) n+ J6 A7 Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 X1 a6 }" T+ o1 z) W* k+ \. H  U8 z
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." W6 B2 C; t* M+ h- x- a
真的!!這不是反話8 K& h# |. @% f
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ q( t; D7 i, `" n. N) g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- {9 }+ P6 Y# |5 x& [. t; o' u" Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: X3 J' k  _' n3 a/ l* x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  f- r; X7 a& k( y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. \5 s( W8 q$ E. ]/ Y4 v4 @* K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 b& R2 I/ _1 J  m- bWhat a statement we have here?
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$ Q5 E- q! Z6 T  Z7 ^( z. l! O/ BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " l% X! `7 g; {2 s7 z" q8 n$ |# R

% C% Z1 P. n: l, _1 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 {- b# T4 l( t/ D1 u7 OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  O. s0 c: P. r# j. L6 m8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% Z0 h' q5 ?- Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' ]% R! [+ N# m1 N  ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ {* J, ?0 N- k' f. x& M/ X
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 |0 u* ]+ z3 K* @: _7 I; u' }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . ], |+ j* [+ B! m/ B7 u: y" c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 Y; u& t: W7 D5 o/ }/ h- `) z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 M) F0 w5 X  W/ Y0 Z/ G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," V, f2 m9 \; M  ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 Z+ U0 Z7 \4 [0 ~1 s: M

2 N0 }+ P0 ~9 u3 n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 S' B( \) d9 H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 E# n4 x( _6 z* V  w+ y9 M& B

& O0 Y1 _5 L2 h; m" |) K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! }( g/ M# c$ L, ^& G1 K9 W$ |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ w- w( w) N$ j- w; c) a0 Z" E0 J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 e+ I  R4 v3 p2 k/ O
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) ~# J; a9 @1 r1 p0 p1 M7 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' G/ C$ ~6 g; q. R) x, x/ w6 |# D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 Q$ L, {. @. d$ f
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 O( [/ B9 C$ n) t! D8 a9 V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, t0 g7 X1 D3 ^7 V# z* p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 L& a8 P5 n. S6 G; c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ X. \1 C. f$ Q) v

/ l7 G. v7 u  `" \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% E- G) t. m: z+ I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 I. t# v# P- P% Z6 o! ?  K

' F" W# u7 |5 c  vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.