Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 F5 B, a; D2 M  s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. X8 O, u, o- g3 y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 e+ a7 Q7 X" s# G5 w
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; _; \) ]' ~0 D; e7 }% G/ \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ O* G) J$ H0 [4 Y4 H/ `+ c1 g7 |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# N% i( ^1 U6 }) ^

+ J' Q6 l. m; F; h$ T2 ^: ]3 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 f. Y1 k( I) Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! ]* @; z2 C( o/ w; ^, z, z+ C; Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 k% n$ r+ N$ G! a! ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ D' k% M% k* j5 C& r; t
真的!!這不是反話# _: u+ b! ?; y
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' A7 w5 a0 J/ ]1 r0 F  G- ~2 K" F" i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; @" z3 |% _+ M- h, B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* R0 a' J, D' Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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# ]5 N9 t' H/ x2 fWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) K; x7 H. v3 D) S% jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: l# v6 R4 R: `6 w0 \+ i

% b$ y" P; v- r* ^5 N0 L! KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 s  `- b2 t; I  ~6 d9 t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 H# A, o" B5 F6 U) M9 \. O8 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- V* t9 S. ~4 }! c' Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; k" B! C5 n0 ^

  j+ l( ^7 k" [it's starting because we have sins......
) ~7 k& ^3 l* T6 J& L) q! [! Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ R3 b, p% N5 X9 u1 n4 e1 Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) N: j  c7 y! E* s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 P% b8 I2 Z9 A0 L/ a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ t2 ~8 W" H4 u4 v) E8 R1 a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% y5 c) H, {. f

5 p9 g- r) V- R* }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; W/ R' x+ m8 G$ J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( c, R' {5 N7 w$ K9 y6 Z  H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: y; y: j, C( Q, p* E7 a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 r' X- t( P$ X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 W  B$ ^0 ~9 V0 A* N- l# B% M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 g; V0 E& f4 m# b0 D3 w6 d信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ a' r# Y: c+ G1 R

) f( d% u  U/ g- C% B6 b5 l1 f以下是其他人的見解,
: z, j' b* |+ \- Q7 l" c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- R: T0 s- K7 c  B
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* U1 B( p0 }" v1 D

  ?, V. a. S, l; Y1 \( \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ^! |( b; `, a' [

% D5 S0 j0 [6 @* y4 z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 E4 X6 D6 M5 \6 m.............信耶穌... ...

7 s$ U1 i) B2 M1 w  F* P0 a* E$ aRegarding the resurrection....
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( Y7 q& E0 j& j/ o# F. O2 C1 V7 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ W( n0 r* B, w! ~) O8 B& A5 o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.