Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. a: g7 J: p1 v3 I2 s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到& b7 c2 }8 T" v! ?& r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' r: K- C- t: `8 J* ^" T( s3 K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 l/ Q' V& a- [
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 U  l$ r3 J6 D% ]) s
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ U& P' R6 Q& E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# J% K) a1 P  k% _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( Z* }# M& {1 T5 C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* o/ k% }+ S( E! r. O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' X, {3 ?# b+ B% L: v* f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 u4 n! r( V# h& V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 @. p/ K5 L( p4 ?) Z$ V- C
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ B: V( X: o3 |/ @
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 V: A5 C9 L& _% Y0 O- K* k1 [$ \3 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 W$ o1 w& z5 b5 ]$ p" m0 d5 I  ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 P! \$ p  L: A$ ^/ A1 t3 i) \"不信也沒損失"  d( Y! n1 Q) [- s( B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 g! |% G7 z( Q/ v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# m8 Y% s+ g( a0 C: mit's starting because we have sins......
" b( @# Y+ W7 ^4 ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   A2 B2 X; V- X0 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% G' D; d$ e. Q2 d- \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 V8 d8 Q! J. J3 c$ c: |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# W$ d0 v3 d2 u, p, |  b$ s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 t! P, _: L% A; p) O0 ?如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 U+ ?# c1 |" s# {8 D7 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) J5 N* e/ v( m/ S% \% j0 U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 [1 @6 U) O+ _7 @% ]) n0 W) o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ G6 y2 z( r% N1 z4 ]6 B- t9 M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 f0 }  f5 Q* B# s# Z* p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 V3 l( z* L# W. n+ W+ ~
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 |1 O$ W) m  K' u

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 c# _+ ]; O/ O! l* ^" m

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 Z8 S$ h, T: \* H; C: Z3 S( l& ^.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% Y6 U1 d  L7 W  T$ O: l9 K4 {$ @9 p/ V

4 t0 H- c; S% h' C$ C% GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' Q" _4 ?' t8 H3 t! O  EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.