Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& G9 u% ?  T% Z8 \% [* E! |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 q0 P; N- M2 C2 l$ _7 Q* O" A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 N, x; y+ h# Z$ j, u道理我知道好多只係做吳到! a2 y3 i3 l) i7 w' R' ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; c, T' W2 \" Y! L  K' u1 ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; J$ ?) h9 _7 E! Y+ M6 J+ |3 ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 b9 Y& b* W! p" a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 f5 I( D8 J/ e8 ]9 U
真的!!這不是反話- ~4 U% v0 {2 [) R( v% `3 t
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 V5 A2 H: O* h. _% S  A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 ^: _! d# e/ x4 y) ^9 U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 t3 e2 u) J( k6 j7 i, rWhat a statement we have here?$ s# `" A7 S. U4 d6 K: D
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 N9 l" Q. T# s# Y: `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- A- Z8 f& Q* p/ b* M' F' `# ~
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& k( @) J7 F7 e( S7 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
/ K3 W; f8 ?( n9 oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 Y$ K" o! J! o1 A4 K5 j2 L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 r% C, S9 ^8 C+ n% g# Q1 x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- x+ l' q% d. w5 }our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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4 ~0 f. G, @; S9 h  c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," \, m- h* e( n! d$ G& U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 @2 S, ?* j# p  M8 y% H/ n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! `' p- c# p. x: W* }+ `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: ]% _% A. U7 Q1 l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ l+ B% {; E+ b& x5 M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* q4 K/ w: V: j+ V1 y! J1 |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( P* m- |7 A0 D3 `5 q6 z+ w- P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" ^3 ~% `" B4 r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ X( r! f' Q* R2 i; T% |* z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 A+ j4 i% v) ^* b* [2 q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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9 K! {8 x9 b. D以下是其他人的見解,3 S( a0 i/ l. R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 K3 P) G# O3 r8 a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% p5 V2 |8 x0 v6 X- K. R1 ?
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, U0 _% b$ ^9 O- v( I& f

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5 T8 i0 e( K, N/ L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ a5 Q+ k: F6 x" R# Z" F& B
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) `; u% _' g. V( |) G.............信耶穌... ...

8 y. O) S, Q2 f0 X8 _Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- r9 E1 d. y6 B7 q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.