Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, u! t' |7 C" S9 _: _# X3 |* V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ {  O7 @6 D: p7 k# K$ V. ]* C) {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! H- p& N  A: J4 ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( N% a" Y: _! u' E9 U' s0 i; Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; S5 `$ ~; k& @+ K- Z" @) T1 h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. t4 H+ Y3 o& y5 y" n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 H! Z9 n! f4 F+ ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( w$ O* h: c# e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 N2 o0 W6 e$ @: D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 c/ z+ k5 ]8 J* o. A5 P6 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 p8 @+ s4 O# s2 uWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 o$ r, U6 y7 [; R/ M

$ d3 d8 M1 K6 D5 y) CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) g- O$ m  _; e2 C5 L7 T3 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% b& X& g4 w7 u+ R% Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 y1 H/ G* i( W- ?2 Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 ^9 P/ J0 _8 o" L

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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 a, J5 ]: G. m5 X3 J* ?# i) Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 u7 _, i* @" e6 U+ \, z3 t9 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," n: c/ n' K7 Q- @' o6 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; ^8 w) N4 L' i: H7 [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ v8 z- k0 G# V7 ^) X好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," Y2 z# D( R$ R- T' c

6 X$ ?5 N9 \5 X2 ^: W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# E8 |* i2 x9 ?- x2 b$ b; @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 m9 D& W4 X0 i( T% w9 M6 a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 |! J  `6 }! W1 q, @* |1 L
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# g4 G' K+ f0 B6 Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' d. S( G4 f* M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% a& S# o/ r6 J% Y$ y6 ?0 k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 G- p; ~9 I: I  l

) c! M* Z$ `; F9 F; e# m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ O% i4 Z8 Y8 J1 A8 f! I7 @6 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

( J7 |1 o5 L0 H5 Q- W; A8 z" cRegarding the resurrection....6 K2 @$ c3 n6 ?% c
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.