Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' X! c4 ~  b( X5 m4 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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$ l6 R. _: c* A道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 u& @. P2 c8 g$ _1 Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; ~& w8 e" A; ]( u4 r2 H" J# {" {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 U; K+ p8 d. \1 @
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- T% ?2 m8 w" w6 P9 i7 h

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3 F$ \; p/ q! `. lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" Z6 f9 I4 P( M) z. N$ |* r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 |" t4 c/ X" ^* v
真的!!這不是反話2 b. f. R, k# O- n
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; N& Z$ y! r9 J5 o# V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 s1 x1 H7 ?% ^' ]( i9 f! _, ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! B$ Y& n6 ]1 r; R* \
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 o, ]2 E* Y( l0 r. N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 ^) g  H' ?, b0 j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, O5 o; L" b) t0 V& ["不信也沒損失"
; l$ I$ W5 S8 I; E* Z6 ~$ p  l! p0 tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ l7 u( K0 H4 Z! Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- V4 B- q, |& z4 e6 @. V3 v
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) v- J8 _! E1 b) U' c% e. z0 R, s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! w( _/ f- n9 V; ]8 C+ }' @. d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& ?  U: d6 \2 t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! Y5 F) G  `2 q+ s: ?9 f9 |* B

0 Q- e! c2 V  l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! `' G5 @$ [  X4 F6 V/ e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- e* l" q6 x8 ~8 R5 d8 g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 \  R7 y( X0 c$ C5 c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 G& Q# y; j6 a9 N
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 E  F1 O8 f: x: o信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* [6 a% G4 o9 g6 l9 y/ @
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 F3 j: V4 a* C1 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 o" P6 e* A+ I; V2 c' J1 [
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. {- }# w* Q, }5 L
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 j# ]- v/ j- e; V% V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) W: F6 z, M$ A
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  ]% E9 `' g6 I# `& T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.