Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  p$ J5 [: U2 Y# Q$ o6 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ i- ]4 n" Z8 N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 z+ a) s9 `- Y

* j5 C1 j5 t1 b" s8 ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% l: _  U+ j7 d/ |, Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 @; n7 B4 c3 {0 U0 X1 ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- r( e6 G! D0 m. G0 i& c% D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: M. [5 F' p( w" A; s' Y( R我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 t" b7 N0 O/ V% o. L4 z) |
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; t1 Y% M- @, x2 B% s$ J# ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 ^+ ~" _/ T8 i4 V$ p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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8 G( b9 Q4 L5 m+ o, yWhat a statement we have here?- g: q; M0 k4 \9 f' @/ m
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  ^7 u# f; q8 P: m6 L

2 i  u, k: }9 g4 a' pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' t4 r4 N$ ]( U' E" L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' I1 K* r. r5 ?1 W) ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 h7 C1 s5 s5 j. F/ n$ W6 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 i/ Q( ~, q  W/ h. j. A+ k

) L+ Q2 R4 x" o: F7 ]it's starting because we have sins......4 M+ g' w  r- {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! y: s+ V+ i$ _3 Tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", @4 r; k5 f4 y6 {3 r8 T) H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- W4 [! b0 a% O0 A$ F- @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- z. |) S! @( H* ?' Y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ X$ L0 {; Q! m" q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 p& B# Y5 |% a% d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," E8 K0 U  _0 k: o2 r$ L  @( O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 r" Z: F, R" ]+ M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 i9 K8 S2 o, D, I2 O  O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 u( D- e7 t5 Y; o+ f0 S- o( p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 [/ a+ ]) X. y

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# e; `3 `% p0 l" ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- p4 `3 d; s* k0 Z+ n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 |) d2 R3 h- O1 N$ R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 i8 w, L' {  ~( V: K6 i. dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, q" ?# d9 P+ y* t0 aYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.