Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! [* o0 V0 F* w( l, W, c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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$ Y, ?  g" g8 ~3 t( y道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ R- w. t! K' R: Y  O4 @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ Q3 w/ b9 i$ r" p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% p2 l" b3 m( ?. K  O3 J" Z! x7 H: Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... c+ i; h+ w: g& a2 v4 r: M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 ~, u  }& \. A7 x% n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! G) b+ I; D3 p% ?2 L' v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
/ a  |7 V& u' Q0 \; t' ~  h真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 g5 `; ]4 E6 V5 N6 W$ I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ b8 w5 m2 }* Z" p% o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., D( Z, K2 {7 b' l: ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% B" O4 @! J! U' h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 z: r2 s3 J! F( j4 {, x& k0 {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 X7 s2 ^. f; T) V. Q/ O$ cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ e0 [/ b3 {; Y4 E; z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ l8 a5 C  L1 T0 K' k+ X% t' c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! K" p2 s) @" z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: Z- r6 ]2 ^1 m/ f( H* C5 @  \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  \0 Z: }7 G  e/ i% a( k
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it's starting because we have sins......) p+ c; z6 p$ Q1 T  X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # x0 a6 u6 J8 m6 o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' v, h2 I8 v  a( L0 M: s' O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% A: K. K3 V3 u3 X. S' M1 E) v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 t% D0 o3 S! e* w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. p+ q$ p1 w2 X' {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' u* z, m" j; Q1 c* w% K$ q. v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 Q. B6 l+ R# h% P7 k0 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 j/ a! n/ }3 e  a3 {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, M! N9 H) r# V3 v$ p% `& C6 I# x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! r; ^6 z2 j$ e5 T! o, c) A7 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) I* }- w) z2 |, c( s) `+ @: `
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" D! @- {, C& P$ G$ G
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 D8 w" v) J: g2 C+ W& B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 z- t4 u- t$ ?! U

, _( i' y2 W/ h) ^7 D同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 [" ]. g$ n: k* E6 [1 b- Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.