Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- S/ b! A" b: x5 l( x9 w0 T+ o我係一個連自己都吳信的人" m: S/ j2 |, d, O% Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& m7 M* f+ i7 u% [  l# V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 u! T9 Q* ^5 F, s7 _3 J: O' E0 g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! v. q5 a; m/ _& K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& Z! Z  @1 K8 k- N# Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 b- K$ j4 b% H$ L1 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. d4 F; r+ k# @5 B) E& k& \% V. m% z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 U; U7 m' L9 e. n9 F1 h6 \' ?" D' P3 m真的!!這不是反話
1 l( J" q8 Z7 w" {- L3 \因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 Y8 q4 ~0 a9 {: p# F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 i7 D; g5 r9 w- {" u& S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 e* e& e, c; s! ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! f3 _- }" O9 F: o) @" P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" H, O# E7 L$ I* u3 h' p5 NWhat a statement we have here?
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$ ^: ]  |- s' U+ Y+ y& [$ bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 O. A1 s$ ^9 f

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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* o9 k2 [$ i7 r  g* W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- R+ N3 `* ~3 k"不信也沒損失"
" j( M% J2 g' B: DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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# c* {- T7 P: L* k$ j! \/ z; _it's starting because we have sins......
  U* _# V( O! y0 A. ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . i; b# r3 t' u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 r; n# v6 @/ D3 o7 B" \" S, l: `' t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 W6 `0 X# L; Q) i' `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 y2 W4 `, Z/ {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: O/ P. M4 z) S" O/ G2 [" V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 \" ^5 r; e6 J& R8 i: R% f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 \$ y' c+ `: T! s  N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' c" k( N% ?- a' U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 I! z( ]2 }3 ^" l, Z) ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' e& I, L9 u1 t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 `/ I# O+ C) |  h  {# H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ {, A3 z1 |" l0 c9 j4 `
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: H8 ~- ]+ M& [  W/ S$ y2 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; ?4 h! a8 Q  l/ s' w

+ `7 ]1 U4 s1 k5 T" U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! H* d+ k( T. A9 d1 r+ b+ C; M
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 e+ u  e) {9 z+ \9 C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.