Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) h) f- x& ~+ B
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" m$ R2 P+ d  G* Q$ J4 W5 |" Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ j  n+ T% x  s: B/ f9 u

* Z& i# ?6 j# D7 ?# ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! o/ t9 S8 O" ~" m. U1 B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, t3 Z; t8 ?7 r5 b; E; q5 ?! F我只不過微小的基督徒...................  U* U/ Y: E& j
真的!!這不是反話
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" p" T1 K/ S" G5 J所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 k* k+ U3 }' }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 c" w, J+ l6 m  B5 g7 ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- Y" f% Y% ?" Q1 X. ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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/ B7 A/ y. e2 r8 B4 S9 n: z( DWhat a statement we have here?
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- p: x' F- T- H$ aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 Y. X: V) v7 Z+ _0 t/ }; V+ Q! y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 K2 r- ?! B6 Y: ~. t4 G% i+ x

' S4 y& T: O# o* r2 U, z: RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"- P4 Q. ]+ d6 \, e) J' `
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( L3 {5 J; {; {: wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( e1 L8 g; B! r" \* n9 f0 r

/ m1 t1 N1 \3 l, n$ T1 b. jit's starting because we have sins......; Y7 O8 ^# S1 G( ^6 H, @$ H2 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 ~3 g8 Z" c( c' t' y  f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 p8 ?  V. p/ Q/ S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 n  Y9 X( K0 v4 |8 M" L; o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 u5 B& M) G. E: A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 V. f* A5 j9 ~* Q! Y3 r' k: t; \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 K# h* b6 \6 N' l; r) T' B/ ~6 b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 \9 g6 I% `8 Y2 F, N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 q% s& Z% K) x# Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, `- u: q0 V) s/ L( `0 s& w9 y" L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( p1 O  Y" f9 g; v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 O' S) S% T. D% w+ I2 G& ~1 {
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( n/ P8 Y+ E9 l, x7 I8 N) v9 [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. P/ [8 P, j5 f( t* j2 B

  x8 y7 ^& i1 u3 T- I' B以下是其他人的見解,
& H9 r3 P7 I- w) v5 @8 [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 P+ @; h3 l. h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& ?/ b: ]! p; {  n0 @1 F: X
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 [* z1 Z4 a4 o# g

0 b1 e6 L2 v# e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. H, n& l6 ^' r4 l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 \/ N$ [9 i- w3 K* a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, Z7 l! n/ |8 ~+ ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. v3 a! A, D* s0 Z1 n' w4 @/ Q5 D
.............信耶穌... ...

/ @4 I; ^: o' L/ r6 yRegarding the resurrection....
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4 D2 w" M! ^* _- E+ b8 q; B& ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.