Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 m" S0 h. u7 |9 j我係一個連自己都吳信的人* x0 J0 y7 l9 L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# z1 D9 U8 ~% x# v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! G( X% T% K) ^4 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( f3 f/ C) g$ l/ B" @

# f" o% d, x7 H3 H- C- estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# X) ?% d! |8 R# x! e  q# Q5 E* Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 D7 T) R' Z5 j+ x& u) j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 l1 h9 I( |8 X( D1 l, p. Q
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 J1 J. g; n$ g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! J2 D; c$ J% G: P# F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 F$ }; ?, W, R3 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' q% l& m7 o! ~' n4 k* z! T4 t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 Q; [% p& J0 E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 f2 E9 _! B: ]) h

; N5 V$ B; ^+ ^3 ]5 w0 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ N6 Z: W- N( u" d" W4 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ T3 w1 h4 M9 b0 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 b1 {8 y6 r- g, ^3 J& r  n"不信也沒損失"
! ?7 A# M  y' `! n* _$ H# AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* E; W) Q" ~  c& Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 m3 W' h! n0 X6 X, ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * {! F( i) [( ^! {+ A1 ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ ?/ T& Q4 E: L* @3 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* j4 M3 X1 j6 R7 _+ F  m* S- g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- j  ]) c# d7 c- p# Z: |; I+ O
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# t9 o5 g. @, M+ b0 y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- x. \5 y$ p, I  }9 j( T  S; O! e* ~0 F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- l7 |2 C' U- ^& Z! ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 C" W, N2 M! o2 b% e9 a+ K$ X改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 e! \% ?+ z% z7 e! d4 a1 J7 b6 J- a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) R7 B) T. v6 k1 \6 u8 z- O* C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. E- i5 J& ^3 P* l  U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 e: t6 @  m. S; a; T5 c  z" M
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 E5 i6 T+ f& X6 H

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" A+ z* \. W7 W( K! s( E6 c9 N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 Z, _. F. r& i

$ f' u6 ^. m; R" I/ v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 o9 {8 N4 u5 N  P' }/ B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( N( H2 F2 n) u4 }7 `% n4 g' s
.............信耶穌... ...

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.