Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; D5 Y( L  h+ d% z3 h( G* `: ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 h9 J- u# L- N8 q' k) O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 L/ E) P; i" l4 H* K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 c3 p( m0 Z' n" K: k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" b& h9 q9 v, {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; C+ \7 L# l$ S, r% i
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." d$ T  M7 {6 p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% C. E& o+ P4 d% T' c9 }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) n8 G' B  }3 E1 [4 `我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 ]( Z; `* c/ d# ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 m: X, @9 c( X  W! y. p
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; [( v+ Y  Q# h7 u8 H7 A+ {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( y! y/ V3 g* c# d1 ~& B0 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ a: w) }% ]* ]/ \% I; jWhat a statement we have here?! H# q/ {7 q  v' z! e- W. }+ Z3 K; M

8 i" V9 O9 M+ Q' J- G+ k$ nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( P" P# U* v6 K# K& E9 P1 iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) P3 L# e, j2 E7 ~6 w7 s5 h4 x
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" U1 l& D# e/ J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 K! y, ]' C& J3 X8 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 a/ O1 d# \; Yit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* [  l3 s8 q7 q, ]; L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. y4 F: }, A' G) R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 d3 M2 J9 h3 R+ \# |9 n7 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 m( n" b. h; {; v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ e3 k' w$ p. t- Y4 v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 l: O' P$ b0 t- v" `& y0 H

& g' j8 h3 b3 w$ D( ]3 m4 W* \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ B/ L; L% N' P6 Z# T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 ~0 l+ C( B+ Q. Z8 f
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 h7 |4 s1 P; Z0 W9 d! q* a: a
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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; n5 X1 L& S7 ]: z! @6 G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( p* K' o* H& }) P2 E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  B% d& b: K; n; O* ~以下是其他人的見解,
3 U" X4 ?0 `* u看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) e6 X% r$ G9 M" B

9 I6 k2 D3 ]' h! Z' E. D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! ^, z' V% n& ~8 u( B4 ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( s0 l, W" A' c; x7 Y" u# Z9 j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, A0 v0 T9 w3 f' L5 u3 A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! P# Z% a$ T$ j# |.............信耶穌... ...

% s1 {/ \* F4 H. j: @  H( URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; G- I4 |) Q: y& [3 CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.