Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. {% Y  y+ t! N/ H4 j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" B% \' y/ q6 o0 Z& o) T/ u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 s5 h: x7 Z0 q/ A8 P+ ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% F6 e4 |6 x# L- {; b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 e# ]8 Z% I& c( E( ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 P( f) }. W4 w+ Y

: Q* f7 d8 M0 }: j& t$ z! ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 g! s3 ]( f" r" T% D5 M! v
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' {' z6 @$ s& I( I5 M, Y" icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" O! D5 J, c- V8 ~& }& R' }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 [& t3 T0 q/ w! E7 ^真的!!這不是反話
2 ~! n* P% l  v6 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人( w+ i4 \+ p1 s0 c  `$ X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* Y) S- ?/ S5 c$ z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 c  P* U, N7 Y. t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ V6 k/ I9 W: q8 }) v$ V% O$ i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 U5 H9 ~; |- b) N

. ~& u" N+ V2 t1 \& uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 [% G# ^% a! _1 j8 L- Y# N( {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ D5 i/ g6 \6 J* r
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% ]& K6 K" f6 y3 ?2 y" f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 ?7 k* K9 y1 D" e% H( H"不信也沒損失"* i, [* N- W& \  s- X, @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 y) j" I4 n# q! i, n0 ?* o1 ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  _, y) s1 B. t) l5 J4 rit's starting because we have sins......
& {% T! B6 T5 Z+ j+ }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- U" h9 u% |7 |0 F) ]  M3 o: pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 e( ~) O5 O3 @0 g$ o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 E6 G8 w# F( `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% ?1 r/ n. u7 [3 w+ D! e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 ~7 |; g/ P0 {6 f' o( j, T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 h& S0 M1 C( K8 I. C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* M/ {. J, h, {6 B  G) h: }6 Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; ]! ]7 I4 T/ p6 `) S6 U* H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ w% [& z# O  }% r, P8 K* y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% w- q! `7 m4 H4 v7 J' s: S$ _
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 p3 ?2 V" d' F4 Z+ U! p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# \( Q$ D2 Z# m8 e% @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# G' z2 E: A1 R" q. J6 o0 Z以下是其他人的見解,* z; y  e" }, r. R6 N: f, {* O9 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 u8 J# Z9 N$ ]: I0 O: y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& b- u/ M( r9 P7 F6 b  Z* u0 h- o

# E% m/ v! ^) |+ o& \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. G/ {1 J. K! `

) \4 ]# @# a+ p, u6 l; k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 L9 d5 K0 ?  O0 N2 o1 H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: }9 @9 K1 u% k3 v) w

) }6 |6 b) n, x5 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  c) i! T: j/ E, V6 I2 t, r6 ~.............信耶穌... ...

0 O; N8 s. n% c5 E3 v) HRegarding the resurrection....
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5 j" q5 E3 A& O$ g' C8 KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 |, |, q- S+ h2 h6 h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.