Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 [  T, E* }* [) i# L. G# R: Y% P我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, u. t" c$ A9 \8 O# T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: u( W' j; L$ I道理我知道好多只係做吳到% a- E: a5 ~. ]6 P  r. U* N0 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 u' ^" {# G% \/ p, O! INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- K0 }3 @/ ^* L4 V

$ _9 `. D/ ?" _, }, qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* z0 y8 X, x; }3 w0 H7 l2 istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* ?7 W9 ^' n3 G5 O& \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  S) y+ w- ?3 d" a1 z- j6 r真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," f* k. m$ \( F) l, i1 D. ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 ]  P9 l7 C" x$ q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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- P9 k+ \6 ]4 V& v( C) y( W1 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' y2 c1 H9 H4 g& [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 a- [( K( t+ J* g* ~# x4 P' ~2 ]2 ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 \6 |, E- c/ I5 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" p% V$ p& ^8 _9 O& a7 N2 U& p6 p& ]it's starting because we have sins......* n$ w6 ^4 c% W* u1 [( P8 z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 @: M" ~; {+ {; {/ x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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& h1 m1 j8 p, `5 b2 F5 [1 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 `9 @4 s) G' \# U) u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 H  L/ Z8 o  A$ K* r" W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; U# y" h2 A) p* [/ }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  Z: f8 n% Z$ i0 z9 @  M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, Z0 e, ]7 E1 v, t( E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 N* y6 E! k% W( v5 m0 u) Q* s
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- [& d) V. M3 B% [# `% h& z7 \3 g

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 V0 `3 M. |. m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 Y9 C! g1 U7 C8 A% j  N以下是其他人的見解,* R5 U/ z/ d8 r3 S4 y+ z( f% J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, Z" _6 w& z4 c" i6 S* @5 z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 [* L! P+ {! G7 n! y) P

) }! c( f$ P2 F4 K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' L; d: P: ?$ R7 o; w" S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* L8 R8 O" l6 R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. Z/ v" {6 W$ [5 H: A.............信耶穌... ...

% ~, g  y- ]0 y$ }& C* x9 nRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.