Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& Y( O$ _) I' C' T3 E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 x: ]4 g6 u, G' O& k! T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( u- h9 c3 X3 }道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: C- y4 D2 k  k. t, A  j% J& {呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; @8 R8 q9 z  N2 L: SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- Q/ Z2 ?# V5 z) {# g* _! f9 ]+ |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# K! Q; O* j# w5 m3 h) u6 Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 o' b' e2 b1 v9 g; _

+ r9 m7 s1 T2 q; L6 bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% Z* I, l' c& m( w2 D& S3 P* Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 P) p/ ]: H) X5 N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人$ j+ B6 ?" s2 D  n' F- c! s( k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- Y; j' @" h1 ?# u& {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 u7 H, R" f2 A/ K* P! z3 p: A3 Q" E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: R6 g6 [0 H9 j) D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , N9 H/ o4 @# z1 m: h8 Q& B3 n4 t" m  H

) q  J3 ^! N+ o7 v' Z7 G7 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 _# s+ u. v& d4 t3 w8 p8 Y* x

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ j& P1 ?3 r- S/ B* k5 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' Y: f8 h8 h! Y4 v7 M6 t- IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 E" F0 u. Z8 x. q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 l, g. x0 i+ `, G7 r4 A" Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, F6 Q0 O. r5 T9 Z+ D. }; vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") O5 ^8 @' Z7 a0 H: O6 c3 W) E$ n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& s5 i6 q+ V, ~# w' T: O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. T- y: S$ Z6 L3 V% V2 T# h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& p3 m4 N2 R0 ]1 N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 S, `5 U& C/ w! e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  k2 N& N. m- s* n+ x* u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 b* `) }: ~: L' h" H) T% [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; ?# z- u* z  U8 w3 l) n( V4 Q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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# a, z0 i& B& x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." N; f( M) v2 L0 m1 M
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* Y& C; f  v/ V. A1 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 ]* B" C6 v8 \+ V. H: _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* ~, l7 C* u6 H4 u4 x
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以下是其他人的見解,( q: a/ |$ |  h# A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
0 d& X$ w7 @6 g0 o2 y* z  }' bhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% P7 ~& c; }- D0 j

) b. X, t3 G- e4 B* s# H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  `" h% Z1 O: T5 j" G

' u! e. d& I1 V6 |8 f2 K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% w7 l  I4 d3 @) X( E.............信耶穌... ...

  u; h# u, T# G" ?5 u6 DRegarding the resurrection....* t5 J( P2 [4 d- k! Q" y8 K4 F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* l) B! F4 U6 ]& e( O9 K6 p

! B  q: [$ v7 A$ zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.