Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 ]6 g  x. Q* l3 `
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% F0 Y, g0 x- g0 q9 _2 x  M8 ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ m& x4 Z0 u: Y6 qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 L) M  c+ k. }+ m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% T# `3 j7 L2 W: t+ l3 [6 }' rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; x% r: k+ |( u% |! i; i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* Q+ M* E3 f1 t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 Q- `7 S  _5 E; e! f* S
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 T2 M  R; Z9 A: Y7 t( f& U. X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 y; Q# U' e6 i3 Q1 g0 \, b" s, o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ F& h* x+ @3 g. M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?' d$ w9 g7 X' b+ i# W

+ N; \$ x5 ?) F& b0 eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) \/ ]* L7 q* |+ F

% `6 m- J( k  n; C& W, l8 \  \7 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; p7 Z; _. ^# [* R1 @9 ^
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 z" S6 O; n( \, r8 _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 f6 w0 L4 {" D! a0 K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ W( h0 R5 L& x( y$ K4 n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% g  d, u, m# E% H, u% c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - y  t" W; @5 V( b8 s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ P1 ?9 B- J/ Q7 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ O$ `5 W9 t, {3 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 p3 K/ K3 |4 w  S- y- p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: n/ W) I* T/ i0 @9 v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- H3 j- Y; D& b# u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- K9 B1 S$ _7 O/ N/ L# a  ?3 P, }2 @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' E+ I3 i# C* k6 B0 ~) Z8 j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 y+ O4 P: Q6 ~( N3 P1 d& r% Q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) J4 H0 U. r& J4 ]' d& u( ~; I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ Q& g* h7 U- x2 H5 Y( ^4 p8 E+ b4 z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 w+ E" @( Y0 M+ e  ^! P. m1 J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- `- X2 N$ y6 T+ B: i

2 D9 S0 d& O/ _/ [- n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ S" I: G; c7 {; ^" {+ ]0 ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 m9 \% y4 X9 j6 @% q

) N; s3 k% d5 }$ M9 {! q& m以下是其他人的見解,. p  E  s/ ^9 h" |3 c4 T( b( G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ G+ O* T. E. c& d) a% v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 _) M1 s+ B! X  [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( o! @/ g- r5 t4 I7 F) y8 B" ~+ U
.............信耶穌... ...

" d! Q+ W, X; @# R* WRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ t8 g4 ^5 }- m3 [; x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.