Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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0 Y1 M, o! S$ h4 ~0 l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- A6 d6 \  K- o( r* p9 Y9 x$ hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 N( d5 D, V# v8 ?: N$ D) g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 I( ]/ Z6 C) ]0 v9 X+ O6 u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ s9 k: I& S9 Q/ f+ M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 L' M/ D( Z( w. k' H( q- U5 k$ u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) {3 n7 T: e/ |! R% p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 G2 _- ?* }9 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, s5 C' B6 N0 S' y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' N9 s) E* p; U; V6 I) C
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 Q5 j6 G% X. g" Z8 {) H
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ B% v# @! c; f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  T+ O1 [* W4 B0 X"不信也沒損失"; i' ?3 K% K1 y+ R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... l* B" t' F- s+ i" b8 P/ C# {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) |9 O8 s$ q$ R" h8 t1 C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 V- d9 W) [5 s8 j) ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") F$ j8 O' F+ W6 k: e. }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 j' [* X, A) @* ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# A3 @* h$ j+ n& h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 w, ^; \) {5 N% ~, Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# A% O  S  P$ M0 Q; H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. M& l  g5 ~$ m# c2 u( Z* e& e/ ?  v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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# i9 W2 o" S' d% S以下是其他人的見解,
( P0 S! ?* L: C6 T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 S. z  `! V; F7 R) X# ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 T6 i# S$ z4 o, q# M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ t$ e5 ?( D; r% S. l
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  `3 E% p! Y. w6 w

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- N* ~! `# I2 C! Z) m3 R- XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.