Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) X5 y- V' g% D+ c4 O4 y+ p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  M7 J  q1 ^0 Y1 E9 \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; R& Y# }; b; m( D4 }) b7 ]7 E0 b道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& G) i  }: a& y0 h( T

& o% S$ [* ~# p* V/ w: Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' A: I% l9 K/ f5 U' tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" P5 a9 X* u5 S/ B- U. A+ F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, g" J) z- d6 O, w2 t* [3 a4 w! c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 j9 c7 i1 y- I1 a+ F9 @6 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 s* s# U; q7 }' g9 EWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 i% r& B6 `9 v6 B) }& R. ?9 c' n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- {% C3 Q, b# o9 E) @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 F* I- X) W' @! E$ q2 g: Z3 q
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it's starting because we have sins......) W* A4 j3 A1 O" j6 I) j6 T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ c; M0 W! w- e: K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 X: B2 l4 F3 F  Z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 Q5 ^5 ?2 t/ Q( ~7 z8 y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 E. ^$ Y7 d4 Q8 Y8 r9 m
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 c* ]" t1 q) I4 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& @  Y7 y% p5 m2 g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 Z9 n( ?! r0 Q" v' I$ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 i2 d" s6 ?8 C! `  s2 M) G% Y9 L, f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 E/ ?3 m3 e; i) ?5 \1 ]- W, ^! c以下是其他人的見解,+ S. A3 R; Y* \. H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 p7 p/ D/ V: P5 g* N
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. E; S' U2 F3 g5 K) v& h7 H

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 ]. `9 M) r- S# u# U# T, H9 f. U0 E
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  K' x& A; o( {# P& m4 E.............信耶穌... ...

3 E- H: }1 M2 T0 HRegarding the resurrection....
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. k, i0 @8 u/ j: V# C- u8 [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* E+ f: A- O& {. o6 l/ G( D

, @' ~$ n8 G/ L4 R2 s$ ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.