Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ D# M5 L( F7 _2 u+ C" U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- I( Z  g2 c5 g+ R$ X( l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' W  R* v8 q. W道理我知道好多只係做吳到* G/ O/ i8 o; a3 V  M- ?- E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& l  \9 U6 ?( h! Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." N8 J0 J: N3 z* \! v# T

$ c6 J. u4 X, q+ Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* ~6 o! Y: m+ N7 l1 p

, g! f, K9 E( w$ w' Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. N' M- k3 Z/ v4 jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* Y0 A- k# P, V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: ~% M+ Y. s; Q0 T' T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% c9 _7 {$ o2 c2 X- ?6 c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 @( Z* v9 }( s1 s) ^- G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 i- x% u* d# }0 x3 p# H& j& j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- z  Z+ Z; ?/ n: B4 H: M2 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ N: @$ y; L% T; L' T* |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - G7 \! E3 ]: O- o# P

; b" s( @$ A8 t, Y: LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: p1 f8 B8 k8 w, r% [& q* a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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: s5 t8 r% h$ i5 Q8 |, c"不信也沒損失"
3 `+ |$ Y" {3 M/ AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( F% W) J5 ?4 V/ y! E% t( l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) G3 B0 R; U# H" z! ~it's starting because we have sins......1 S# f3 c# A7 I; D3 R. \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 `' K0 _9 C8 R; ?+ b* f  q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' q. {. i0 t3 v3 L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 \# f7 j% M0 P" P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, w' V1 A0 `# L$ V! T7 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  N: K8 x5 A: n) f2 ~, m; W8 f2 ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  G! Q, C* j0 k5 j: E9 \. z- m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  q! N5 H) m, X* M
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... l! C3 v4 N' T1 }, K: @: a7 B3 T

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," t2 R/ p8 n. K# Y; j! F. G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 S7 {1 r0 }) C- W& W
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* y' G# P) X. X9 J. V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ \/ S4 v8 c2 u) Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, U1 C0 y/ s- v$ i4 d+ l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. i$ U2 U% H2 R9 q% Q* J/ Q.............信耶穌... ...

2 Z  J% i# T- H/ X7 c- fRegarding the resurrection....8 X5 K0 r" Z9 g" E6 n: e7 Y  c
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 W- _' _. F! X0 q3 v2 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.