Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% l+ s" L7 f. r9 ]4 \! n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 Q) }4 F$ z3 t0 g9 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 G, ]4 H& X5 M% K3 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 j% j7 [, |$ A  R4 q/ ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 H8 S; t1 `% N1 }, MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 E# g4 F* X3 w0 }: z

# }% h6 [# B$ ]4 zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 c! j5 Y2 c9 c

, Q% R/ ^7 j) z/ bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; _5 b  W" C( h8 n" ^) v, u6 w5 |) w' N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# J( }* q0 r9 Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 j/ C4 U1 }3 M, N0 h我只不過微小的基督徒...................
% g) \: h: k  K; w# ]/ a# z0 ^真的!!這不是反話+ B  q1 k- t# Q! O
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 L/ r' R. u, k: B) k% u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  b* m) m$ U, x- K" u8 K, v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., a- A) v. s9 t5 D5 p' U5 w1 A% Y" g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?2 S9 G/ a- M) W7 ^) ^

+ e- y) n" a! b  H$ _" _8 ]9 K* P6 vJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( X% a) c8 ^9 x' n% K; n5 ?

# f8 w3 S4 g! z% C' B) Z4 @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 x& O+ l7 \& S3 L
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 P' r7 w8 L. L: w2 R% H
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ B$ B/ @+ B3 R2 \. Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# e6 X7 e+ X; W+ F1 g* V"不信也沒損失"
# V6 O$ m2 O& {0 s( i2 g0 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 m  B' Q, k$ _$ v8 q: \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
" o9 f; U1 s2 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 k5 J! D2 c7 w: Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, W' @( d' X+ }. C' ~3 [9 d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 I9 d$ ~: [% m1 ?; U  t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 c5 V  k9 K- I4 S& W8 Y& V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( F6 a( A$ n6 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 m! F2 r- N0 `: W/ |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 G% g7 \" R2 ]

6 `0 q' M- A0 w& F# t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* P5 v' Z! y8 ~& u" j3 [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 J2 y2 Q. a/ [2 o5 g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ C0 T8 R  Y: J; M1 z6 S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 b+ m6 F0 n+ c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 `4 u) {' M( b' Y
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. n; e9 Q8 R5 a1 k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 u5 l2 N2 U9 w! O, q, l/ W/ n

8 w# b: `/ P" v  S# ^5 r以下是其他人的見解," t/ z: J: r" r; a( s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
# d! Q& X3 v0 d5 v& O  L+ S# phttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# D7 c  C! S% I" |- ?' p# J

. o% s7 v, H4 s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 I' b7 Q( t0 L$ G8 @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" i9 |) o8 C/ X; S+ ~

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' a- X1 Q4 H! T8 ?4 c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 n. S5 K: f1 i- b* m9 I$ V; f: L
.............信耶穌... ...

1 J4 F, {- B3 `+ t9 }' X% vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ N- P7 B+ z/ L) J+ y: t% F

7 }; u% [- M0 p. s$ y% H  g: ^8 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.