Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" |4 G) |0 E. n0 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人  @; M$ k% N/ b0 S  p- V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* O* c4 ]  K9 |! W/ I/ O道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 K' T$ y3 f/ R% z( C7 J呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, {7 j4 R4 j: A, u: BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 J3 d% a( T/ S+ t$ Z2 l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., _4 \6 P$ d2 g, T( D+ x

2 C" e: Y- j9 Q1 `" |' `# j  Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., B  P3 ^+ ^1 {' i% C7 |; z: Q) U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" s7 F2 L1 F( D) S2 j我只不過微小的基督徒...................  g2 z. n" D8 D5 P' F' A
真的!!這不是反話- M' d# ^  Q5 H6 L2 u. B
因為我是情感比理性強的人% E  i% G1 s9 Q! k3 L- X8 m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; s$ x. _  ^% _3 U. s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' }+ \* r; c1 ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 Q7 y6 t- t% `  l8 G' H" l0 C. }6 L& s$ ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. }5 e1 \. B/ x+ o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 Q$ U, I3 `& x7 }What a statement we have here?" G' |  r. k- Q) t5 ]9 w8 v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% }7 k4 D& Z/ p8 \2 y9 \, HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 ?5 j" [2 l8 ~% _* T+ Q; |, NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; u8 n; V8 v" a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- U1 \8 F) Z: l% w9 k"不信也沒損失"" j' `; i( [  B: O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" v& D+ k6 Y* `4 S* E) \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 I# X: c, i3 x# U' w6 M; ?it's starting because we have sins......
9 q. H% _, ^  J4 x2 T* Z5 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 d3 f. `" {' ^. `% Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") s6 A6 X9 N7 v! g# D; d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; Y5 \/ ~7 A3 {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' f( i  n6 e% C$ W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& v) Y$ `" A$ X6 \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ l- h4 S! p6 F: y7 A3 \$ p4 U( d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; X7 g* i& k. U) J6 b3 D( V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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4 N5 S% Q' O9 }8 L& h3 C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# d0 e+ F) d* m; l9 B; }

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7 U! ]4 i2 }, e% P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- F: z/ b2 E3 B9 S: I信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 o3 R2 U, L, l# n

) p% T8 f. ]  V8 u7 k& {3 K以下是其他人的見解,
5 x2 H7 D/ ~8 c, e) Y! m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 K0 B' X& U7 o! P* G
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( W* P8 T) N! }- [$ M' q' ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ r/ i- r$ s0 T! e

. r3 t9 ~, w4 x0 q) m. ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" N( Q8 V$ N/ v/ j" x1 i2 N( W

& h2 x7 k( ?9 `$ [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 _/ S! n7 i) j% @6 U7 \: E" [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, S0 h. `! t. Q2 h9 m, r( M.............信耶穌... ...

, r: w' O/ u0 iRegarding the resurrection....( p2 J+ |7 c& E" J& ^5 k
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.