Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( |5 u5 L8 @$ K/ _: f, h. X' T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 C' g7 R( o9 W' P! Y% T+ M+ ~6 G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 m8 R9 }1 M- S  B道理我知道好多只係做吳到' a  D7 g9 j7 w$ H1 ?) n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' A7 R) a+ T4 p3 iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 K  h7 d2 [3 m2 f0 fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  p4 U$ T7 e: L1 z0 x2 bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% V) [( V0 D, V# x+ W% }5 C& ^0 r3 wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 c0 W& J; P6 \; l' ~, Q/ I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. B' _; d- L# B真的!!這不是反話
, y& l; W+ }- u6 P% [# p0 v% g因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' d$ `- }  Q6 p, g9 @" ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" u' q7 g9 b; X  Q, K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 B( [" s7 p9 ~8 B7 J: ?What a statement we have here?# T: R6 H3 F& Y2 ^) k& V2 b

* T% x5 I7 K6 ~' O4 O- V1 Q! ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 X. U2 m* x! U; @# x! Q9 e- i8 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; N9 y: G  k4 t- z6 X+ D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 \. `" }2 v% W0 Y6 K"不信也沒損失"
; i9 d; |2 @2 N4 d! N: K5 BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# e' M6 K* H9 E. R) l: U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 R  L& D; y3 ?/ H7 @: }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- E  z: Y8 W5 L' H2 Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ v5 L- l' A) _( V" |7 z; ?3 [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( [2 A. Y  W. K, ], Q6 @- O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! p3 O& b8 |# Y* [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# D+ q. R$ U7 i- X) ?. p0 S, u# L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) y' W, K; ?/ \0 x% m- l% f$ V+ b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* ?3 \+ l# o" y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, e( l$ ]. l/ H7 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 _6 ~) I  ^3 j- f7 _% {2 u6 I% o4 p- D

1 L' j$ u1 B/ y% @, q6 `" s; W! _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# D! \, U" [9 D2 B- w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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2 x$ K: h2 I2 [# J/ n宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 z; i0 M/ f0 {# k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( L4 d  T* M  E9 |! M( Z9 I5 [5 G
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以下是其他人的見解,7 n4 z* G7 z6 P# D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* u0 F% T/ l5 z1 F% _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 P! e8 f& I4 P2 B  X& B

5 \& a" g* P) o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 \& R7 M0 ^8 h$ g! J. \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) D/ C" `/ Y' M+ E; _' |" i6 v9 I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 K* S$ G( V& ~. ]# F- r
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... s! P* u. o  |* Q) w! g

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; h! d) P  B  M' S5 V- kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.