Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& X2 Y. z- G  F- ~" P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 ~8 e) X' H0 Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( \# S: V' N$ M; v/ \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 k" u" o' ]  [, F

" T0 @; w' f$ J9 \! N( e/ N3 Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 ~/ U2 P! k! i' q) xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., A/ c. c& t4 v& C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 }6 E$ _- a' J: [0 C4 G1 ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 x* e! R, Y2 u5 y& j6 o$ F% G* X( l
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ e) w2 _7 c8 P& l  B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 Z2 K; i% C# T& I6 T* Y4 t1 A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; N& H0 W5 p* M) }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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) r0 c4 E, I5 d: Y6 J1 @$ o) lWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! c- a0 B$ N$ |' |% q5 [$ H5 Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- O/ \8 I! l  ~; A+ q; g  z: Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% b: Y- B( h5 b+ \' n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": r( c7 j6 l/ S. d& T- j( C  ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# d- B0 \+ c: u, L! Q2 ~8 A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
, k  p6 b3 x# M% Y3 @satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 b0 M6 C5 C! L) y7 D( t% s$ J% @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% ^; g% g2 \9 v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' g" u5 ]! o# b; j, P  k* U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," @+ ^$ w! n1 j( p% J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- F7 j7 J0 A5 z$ Y. b" A

0 x) K  N+ S6 r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! e  ^. `1 ?& K$ A7 `) C, b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- j  X& @7 B  @  G, S3 I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 j  ^" M" Y7 u- ]" m' C
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% `# T8 p* f) u0 z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# P" [. o; d# q! z$ g3 F' r
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 t& W) m) v6 h' S% {- E9 N

# f2 \& S9 S/ S! k& F$ @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! ~5 h$ P, S) {# [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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) h) Z8 R5 E5 ]4 Z3 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 U: P, e4 R+ B6 P3 L) g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- R$ X0 U8 T; Y) S' u! m

! ^6 _/ W5 U$ N  O* j9 @: S6 _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.