Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" c* B8 w: b- ?9 c我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 I2 [* D* j, K$ G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. L+ `0 |1 ]- ~' p: x! K3 A! \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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5 |6 A6 u+ a+ w: J9 A; Q! w) B% U# B' vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# `) A  A0 P; h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 c+ W: ^/ l9 c9 @0 _5 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 z7 z0 ^$ w+ A6 ?& W5 @7 u* K我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 w5 V" I3 I0 T8 c% ^1 p
真的!!這不是反話4 ]/ g: z6 o, s  N% T$ ^2 q+ S
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., i* L0 y3 O! Z; z8 q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 i5 I! l- _5 Z7 }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- T  q" Q( z2 x7 xWhat a statement we have here?
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% f* N: [, ~' t" uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 \: \6 Y$ i6 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 ~  \& h0 J4 f! b1 W

* n7 z8 \3 G2 P  |1 {6 ^$ D5 [# oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" ^% s6 D  I3 H% x" k- u, E$ m' o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 C% ]* w# s1 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* C' D: g; G/ b& k1 B* I' n! u6 N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 t* h0 M0 J7 }' {! T

. T8 O3 K" g7 u) {it's starting because we have sins......
: O9 Z5 Q- a2 V; p. ?6 J4 d, _) A0 Vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 e  a& ^! W8 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 e. l" d1 b5 U2 `* v' D  D% r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. h1 m% V/ p8 b0 Q, j7 e. i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 r5 R# G5 U# ^& }5 e+ k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 K& i: Z8 Q& ^9 N+ c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. k" r% w+ C5 L$ N+ |( f9 \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; |% m! J& w0 ]! R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& X( z" x# p6 P2 r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' |+ w2 U2 U& A% y! r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 t- E( C0 v4 i; `' W$ N* v: k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 `7 o6 s) O, D6 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( f( y+ E% [& c6 Y3 w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! k) n' K: M3 l# O3 P! ^4 B

; ^) m( R6 s" _2 C4 G) N; {9 p5 F# g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% o) `1 [# ^- X2 q  e" t  ]

. g! j" P$ R5 f( z% L2 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" Q$ ]/ O& z: ?9 r. R" j) p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 U, ?/ X4 }2 `& t3 P
.............信耶穌... ...

) a4 l& I0 l1 r* R/ T' C. gRegarding the resurrection....0 c$ o, {5 {0 S6 N0 F

/ \' R$ j8 b' y2 B' z: V) QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.