Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" Y6 ~: C& g4 |, H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ u: H/ A- O) v9 J" \3 W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- U: a+ w( {% c  ^- I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 u; }0 {9 b* |& t- X: S5 t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 P$ @: f/ }- k- d7 t4 s. Q% GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, W1 i9 k9 w! eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ t9 q: K0 @7 O8 T" I" c, lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* i+ X& ^: Z- ~. ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 J) q- x# E; Y' w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, v4 H5 S+ o2 Q- h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 E- F  J+ f5 X9 U2 U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 L& n, [. q2 n- w9 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- j; E, F% M5 Y  _: uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 e  F) H4 _7 U( ]. Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; n- P/ \: R) [! @; {7 l: [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! [( H* q1 \" t. j; ~. P1 N# c* m. m只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& O1 q6 T1 m* p: i$ d' x$ V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  e" b& ?& f3 @' G( E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) q% c8 U* n- x: Q( x% x0 u" A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! q1 K# V5 K5 O6 u& t; ~" N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 g% J# E' [1 v5 V* u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 e, U: }5 T. v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ e9 U8 R7 Z+ o% _: j
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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+ o- R, G  t7 S3 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" B1 B- I" K% T% r: i3 ~* z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ h6 p1 I/ i4 _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 m- w! D8 P- i; d: K/ W8 J
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以下是其他人的見解,! `: q! S; r( Y& b2 T, u( Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* O9 ?" X& R9 ]) J, e4 A5 Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ ^* F! D+ y  w6 k5 s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# g. R. y! I. p5 m.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# I/ B: P  ]+ B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 _5 z4 ]7 Z7 Q

( G1 r* T( l" A8 n4 w$ T% \$ EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.