Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: G/ t7 \. e6 s( M9 a" `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' }$ I6 a. g$ r9 x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( F- j& Q# X) DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 ~) X. k2 z0 t; g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! g6 I, f3 P- I. k

, D# y' M; O, P" T9 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 q# V8 ^% w" i" vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
" X. }3 M4 L* R9 D因為我是情感比理性強的人& f# x1 y9 L8 R5 a2 r9 T* ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: z: h" @4 R# o6 P' O. `: j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 d/ _5 A. D3 Y3 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  d" A+ Z! G9 T9 p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) ]* T. A5 o5 g3 D0 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; _' ^$ b7 Q! f# s0 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 q! A1 q' N. c" P) I- k" h

- S1 \& h+ {* z3 }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 n7 p3 h$ d0 x4 J2 k# Z" U# k"不信也沒損失"0 i7 m/ a3 n) P7 F  s, o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 C* f5 w3 I2 v$ t. [. ^% r5 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) O/ r; X# P1 bit's starting because we have sins......6 a2 i2 L; Q# C4 g7 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* G; k2 L6 O9 j8 F' J; B* your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 ^7 i; d( O/ d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," M: z7 o1 r. r; @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 _) u  a4 {6 J2 Z, i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ s' N( Q- r* ~1 \1 B. ^( d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# O' c% Q, Q- k& K3 N% a. s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% M/ Y: d* d% ?
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; J* K5 t7 g$ K1 b* @; `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! C# j, E1 `7 k. U  F

! W+ u% C0 m1 d6 W& v8 O0 L/ G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% m4 X+ _2 Z% f9 O# d0 g  d+ D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ z# {8 l2 c' n4 M* _% z$ N. u* W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. l; s7 S7 U( m& X' r+ D$ R
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ X$ @8 I! }) }$ R  f' u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( \* p% L7 E5 W+ v" p以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ T! o7 [& {5 n; ^1 v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: N1 B* \/ `0 l! u) |4 l& L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 L% y* {' ?1 t1 [; V1 F9 h8 r

- i' X) V& g' t# ^& Q+ C. ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 B7 S: w+ z' P, B' e, D% Q5 U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: t: {4 y+ n3 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" E* J& l; c; M! QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.