Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 d; V# v$ }: R% K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ Y) `4 t% x7 L( \. H4 V2 ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" s  a2 V4 |- y6 v% i道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 k; x; h  _+ Q/ RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 Y  ~- |; w/ M4 }6 s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 s% u4 P# k6 e" v) i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# O: K$ s/ u9 ]* J# W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) {6 _  I- S& Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 ]) H+ z$ N- D; z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人/ x8 ]) @# E3 L4 q8 s& R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  Z  [" ^- [( t% s5 ^) t" L; H& f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: o4 t$ X" v- |. b7 r, A' ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 N0 E  S5 D# i' u8 C! ]8 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 v! J. d2 O7 F. @What a statement we have here?/ Z) I2 {# @' ^5 R% Y* E+ h

$ R& m# R/ d+ A& W" RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ f- i3 o  f3 I; W+ v

4 l  _+ o0 o  n6 }: _: [! L4 K3 f! GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 ~9 I" |" ^# B# \4 @$ ]
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 t: A5 Y2 i$ p% T& e& d

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 p( g, I! S  \) l4 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 J0 K2 s5 W/ ~  V& z2 r
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 O7 K0 I) N5 W; _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 q- d, Y) E' D3 u% n% A

: r$ r. y* ?1 N/ x, o9 V! lit's starting because we have sins......! t- W) F% ^( d, V1 r5 ^: ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # P9 w6 A& o2 @! o2 C9 k3 k/ @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& a% m  C& J1 G: X: a/ |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! E$ x6 d$ R$ n- H$ q7 J3 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 M0 a1 A! R/ a' [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 C# M% n. ]4 l# k9 L! D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) |2 S/ Z. d; c6 G9 b9 h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 C! Y& ]+ Q- J6 ?- `' Y) c
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 I1 ~$ a+ @# X% t. m8 P4 K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' U- D3 }; O. ~1 `( M. w( i  S& u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 g; ^( G+ I+ d2 K; \: L' b. k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 C4 h1 H& V8 M) E4 `  @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 @: z* ]0 t0 K宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( w, o" p3 S+ U" @7 `& {
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. c" E9 c# x+ n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 T, o' f" o3 C1 G; F

% l0 [/ R. z4 [& M* W* E以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 U! y0 i, p/ S9 U

* S4 ^" b* C* z4 i; {5 O5 i! U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& M8 B/ S6 U; [9 l3 T! |7 b' t
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, i5 _0 Y* j! X# @0 G( h! T3 NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 W% Z# `$ S' ~8 \& Z5 M7 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.