Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 e2 I" b" z% m# _我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 d: g' t* z% w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* r. h9 [- T' M. {% x% k道理我知道好多只係做吳到" Y2 ]. r2 Y5 p+ r3 J2 o2 m4 Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ X' }+ T2 @* B! a7 e

3 C# W, C- S/ l# r9 \; c$ mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 m. `  D2 j& x% k

" W1 Z3 i9 u3 j  ?% rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; p, n6 ]$ K1 {) u* [. R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ w% G' S& Q* b3 _( g我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 o' Z- ~, f& S0 }+ G
真的!!這不是反話" b3 g4 `# U7 b. Z4 z$ {$ \' ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 ~/ {9 g: Y* U% |+ s( t, o" O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! S' d: D0 h0 o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' ^: G; \' ^: p3 U$ s. J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ q9 A6 k& e8 Z& A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) {- w4 C: b2 G# C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 P1 d6 j  I3 J* l

, Z- u9 Z* P) N( P% `: z9 tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." Q0 m; t! H' g" p

: M& h7 v) e" c  X0 k7 p- gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' Q! \5 o9 {3 e2 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 m6 K4 |, V2 Y0 O. ]8 zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ Z" _, P# I5 y  }/ F4 N0 o$ ~9 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) @( Q& M# n$ K$ W$ c- i
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 p' i4 k/ h4 A3 @4 @! tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; j' @# m5 N! Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% A/ \2 W( ^2 \- I: ~# N( y; L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 ]: N+ |' ]' X/ Y5 X; J! c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 m$ u3 X+ X% ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- p& T, `% {7 |( Y" |' `# ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ s& g3 r% G2 X" ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 w: \# d& v! \, Y/ `
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: u8 V3 x8 O0 M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ D7 P4 Z, D& G( L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 I  S/ O  f6 ?- g* C6 C/ t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 ~  U+ K( |: {$ z1 C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: y/ r3 q# N6 h7 e/ e6 u8 O. v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  ]! H+ N/ F4 m1 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 i: c0 y9 M9 M- u! c* Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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& `# Y2 h! o; O( o[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- D% L/ w7 p% Y/ ?; z( o( ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" A" h( L) j# d& @; t) p
.............信耶穌... ...

3 h% f* W! W8 y; v/ \  h+ U4 _Regarding the resurrection....% [9 s- e& [) ^: n* h( X

) W8 X2 v2 N# XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 j* B- K9 H6 z; A9 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.