Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- J$ |4 o$ Z% c# p9 u! i; R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 y5 W6 ^' p( i0 a) L* c  e" ^! G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* L0 y2 L4 i% t: p7 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! e6 f  O; E5 O) {: g6 Z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' w* o+ V( g) _; O

" M  t' Z7 O0 O  Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ y. X0 {. H) C, k& Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: A' Q8 A0 W$ K% W% h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 C; ~9 u' j3 |( W# ]2 O1 G0 l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 `* m) x/ m5 l- q9 P) b
真的!!這不是反話0 x6 K  R& m4 ~& }- y4 q
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ c( O3 i: T) P+ O2 e! A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 W7 [; H' W: w) _9 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 R7 M. w1 O  `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ q1 {7 `; A# l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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. m+ q7 d3 M( s$ _+ ?: }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 w7 u0 A$ ^! q% K" UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% j, H; s, V( W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! i2 i/ c  u: J$ _& u6 D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& r+ i4 b" L7 x6 N& |7 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 a- a1 M6 T/ t( _) l"不信也沒損失"
% ?  K8 h+ e2 a7 y, XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ V% }+ f* E1 H4 ~* W4 X0 |1 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
, D1 H' \- k  P& b6 i+ n" _" `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( R) H# \5 }4 f% f- x8 Y: D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 O1 R; V" b. n0 E+ [/ z% }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, x: S/ J  S4 F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% k3 O' D( n0 e  t4 L8 R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. }/ M4 ?8 |1 w7 z  h# ?) E: b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( u! H" G- |. ^9 t+ K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' m& s" |* y8 M
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 s/ a6 i+ }$ C; m) c
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- ^! f( `7 h0 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.