Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! u  y& N, `2 y2 J" F5 v0 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 g9 n, o' T  [& N  o! X$ n& J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# V" p! y, g% m) N. B! @" VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 d) L6 S3 L, pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 s- @: _9 E' {0 d7 I

* {6 H4 _' G1 S' R/ o" Y! amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: G' Y* z" P( G, w$ X9 |* R  k; `

+ w7 b+ g6 Z, E8 K; Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 [9 t+ L9 }% w% Z: M, q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; B' v" l1 k! R! z0 [& M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, s' o3 [+ ^) W# \8 m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( E5 b1 ^1 x, j1 W8 f" c$ T* C- X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 R1 a% k! o% r: l1 EWhat a statement we have here?
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$ X$ h( k9 X( q: Z$ N+ S" GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! K7 [8 y  i) T8 o' U' OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 o  n4 |; M' u$ I2 O' I/ j/ M& X1 ^

* H% H4 s# h! K* C& K8 a* oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ q4 m+ ]. q& Q8 S8 w1 O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* H8 m5 d* ~+ L+ J" w5 a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 h( r* w+ ^9 o2 x3 V4 _& R+ @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: w9 Q0 c. U# U: M6 `; ]
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# }& a: E+ x) E" U" r. R% v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; l+ w' o9 S) f. A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# \9 Z: G8 l* P% D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) T: T" r* {! I6 L" l8 b6 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! q# |! c) r- Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# c- u4 \4 R! d1 m* g  k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% I7 F% k' t$ h. r8 Y7 E* T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ W; w) R$ S9 a6 T# @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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- x; B0 W+ A# H/ N. ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* M3 }% S; S. p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 |8 A; e3 ~9 h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" E" {% @& K  Z3 b; U6 Z6 H- t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; k. j: x4 Z2 Z/ M* L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( z, ]: C# m6 l8 ]* g- a$ `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ E7 l& F7 l* R8 X) i8 Z1 {
.............信耶穌... ...

) r7 j3 `1 t# |7 W  iRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# s" ]/ p6 |9 f7 u$ _: jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.