Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 c* i) d2 H  h, R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 s$ _- s+ S) y) ^# r. G+ r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ d( e9 G3 d& C; H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 S4 R0 f- V8 l5 F: F7 R! @
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  s8 v5 `# X) g/ w6 \' M0 Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 d- U8 [3 u8 b% n- L4 h1 G+ Y

& v0 p, \# p# ?& c0 R- Z% |5 d) s0 L  Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; f& O' G6 |' n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& s0 Z# F% w. P' s, E: S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 Z3 A& o" V5 ]3 u8 Q1 Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* e$ d1 ~2 h1 y$ u) y5 o5 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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; _6 I/ S( X% T1 a! a* s+ OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 e; [/ p3 J0 t$ bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, D& Q. t) x5 y2 I- {/ O7 q$ Q( ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 ^3 H* x8 v9 C"不信也沒損失"
- r5 B* t1 @8 j% ^2 Z7 EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) I7 _% D3 R) k  h, o- e6 E! ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., ~$ V2 ]6 Q2 {

9 B: @* N4 g* C! M: Oit's starting because we have sins......9 m8 R1 ?) x0 m  R2 T" A5 P. r7 Q* h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 n! H1 M' }6 f+ b1 A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- u. ~4 N2 x, M2 N: F: [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ k5 r0 N1 w0 f9 [& R/ S7 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, O0 o' C( A% v4 [. w5 |& a+ S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 f8 L& Z) T+ J5 _+ K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! T4 B; _  D1 @2 H' ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 v' k% T, g3 O( d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' ]& R  Z! ]( S; K8 Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ Z% Z6 T, _# f8 Q+ L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) E8 O  @' ~  b3 ~8 `/ L

8 P! E# f) D/ G/ n5 r* W$ f8 ^, m宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 v; M3 E; P) |! S0 v( i9 E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 `. Y" s# g% M) U# ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( q+ h9 {0 o8 |% l. s/ Q以下是其他人的見解,
/ {6 Z1 K" b, E! a& S看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 N7 i' t& k6 b. n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: {+ ?2 E" V4 t6 w1 A0 }
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% ~; W( U1 f7 u

; C7 H. N8 _) f3 q/ L. A% q8 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 E4 s% ^1 q' g/ [+ {, z, u. s同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" I! _3 o% t5 U* c3 x.............信耶穌... ...

5 `6 m- X+ n/ ?Regarding the resurrection....+ y# Y+ j" a% d. }) B( S, H
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.