Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 T+ I; J& T( k9 u4 L  m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 K  G) w3 ]- @4 N% A6 J! y$ m# U4 i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& l  p! v, A3 R  k9 _9 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到) m( x$ a2 |3 p0 s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: \+ `7 J: l* Q( K/ ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 Q2 Z0 _; q4 X. p2 Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 |+ h# s* e! C( R, O# N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ {  p' g* G4 T我只不過微小的基督徒...................' Y) i9 _1 D/ v
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 l. a, z' [7 v4 ~. V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% C$ P8 ?, I/ q. X! p. E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 K0 d& V* a: L/ d+ U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  U+ x% j9 W  h% p* w+ W9 Y: V! ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, h' D4 I' y1 e! B/ r6 y3 S+ xWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 M" q1 @  [* v2 LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 u0 }, |1 E& |" u: H+ c

( G; I; s4 |5 [8 J4 G9 Q2 k9 dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% F8 _5 m, K7 V( i: u, O9 Y" L  k

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 u4 Q# l, ^; b; a: D; O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% N5 g$ B, I9 h' }0 h. O2 ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* p- H! P& z8 C, G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% D# n$ r- b# W( q/ U! \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ [$ F# d" U4 y5 V& b. ?! q' [& Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 P5 x5 c: V$ k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 P& s1 C  X- V( ~& j$ y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  ~" D. l  ~+ ?/ _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 }1 q. o6 g- I" Z- F- d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" Y- O; }, r: f5 g; d- v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 @5 ^3 Y8 T# r9 p4 W3 L

2 e$ c( ^8 _( N6 u9 o8 `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....( _5 p0 r$ z3 Q  ~+ L3 c/ T; ]# L
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+ I2 S3 a% `9 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.