Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 k/ R7 v& X; o# t  |* U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 l6 g+ ^8 ~2 c5 e% w
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# Z2 z+ D$ C# \- K8 P& d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- q4 ?7 O! Z5 d" R$ U4 p; }
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, }' l: c. m2 [$ e6 h1 }5 U& ]  |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: Z4 @# n! c5 E* }8 i. i4 S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ W/ t0 g+ u6 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  z( D$ a7 K, a! s4 S0 W
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 `! U6 i% ]% b! ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," ~4 T$ h5 {, J, k0 K2 ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# A  s' M, Z, p$ Y  U" ^2 F3 [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' a% V' @( v' j8 B7 q! G% \What a statement we have here?# Z8 M( b; B5 F: E( S4 w0 _) T
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., U: `6 y" L. \' U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. `+ ?2 C0 D$ N

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"7 r% r3 l; `. I$ B4 A, E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# }0 t% g% |6 C# Y' j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- [8 j3 A% @$ |& |  b
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it's starting because we have sins......1 ^" M5 w' M2 L8 a, |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: U7 B; G/ }% |8 i5 l+ aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 {% F& C8 Z8 u3 v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- i; z' K: ^) {6 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 A; B' n: T) U7 {6 f& R: j; D% b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( T/ |. ?7 a4 C8 e

; Y0 t& H# H/ f6 L- x. w0 A. M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 D0 [7 D" p1 v0 V( X* Z: _) @1 X, F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 Q# S: Y& {6 S) C; U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, x! P1 ]/ |) W- o/ y; X4 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# y' [: i6 ]6 @1 e7 S2 v1 J5 l
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以下是其他人的見解,; {' S1 Z& E6 D3 D% I1 Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 \. n# k; W" }5 H/ \.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 _; `- i" B7 E9 C  b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.