Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 {( D( _' j! G( @  E0 ^  k- g6 R% B+ i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 m1 O" D* Y4 t1 m# F0 Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( q7 h& A; m6 p% p$ E3 M5 [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 T, _1 x: C1 X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" E4 U* \, Z% j6 K& t( ~$ g' KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. `) M$ i% I1 F+ S6 h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ C. l8 P  n$ s2 I' u

/ f1 E" @* a' s( e/ Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- |4 T7 G/ o8 F4 rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 \& v) G/ M/ v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  F, }: u0 G5 p7 \$ h4 o- c9 l因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, g3 G+ J' h' U1 S! @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# J+ r  f* A8 X" N, A" {( C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 a5 ?8 ~7 h  @2 Q7 ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 i+ }0 d! ]* F# D+ z  FWhat a statement we have here?" C' G  |' Z3 h" ^" q% Y4 K

4 s- J2 e5 n4 k1 b! j% O; x% j3 nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   k$ F/ X- Z! b  n, i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! I8 d, ^% h1 A/ X- m/ F" O

$ r9 H' E  I# {' L, d6 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' `- S' b/ e9 \) M  u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 S6 h( D+ {+ g  w4 H8 h, ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 p6 |8 n- X# H. j9 u3 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 I' R4 v% z- |- U5 E
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it's starting because we have sins......" t$ |: ?. S4 H2 T# {0 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( l4 w' p- c: Z6 V/ w- z: U* w( u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- _( X& y* k: k: O& P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# G- P& U6 R. P/ m& O& B4 g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; x3 s' `# x0 C7 L! ?. ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. P6 m, M6 |; z$ ^2 i# n& J' r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' W7 W& r# ]3 A5 k' z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) B! P5 D( ]9 Q: h9 b7 z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 T! X  m. z. ]: C2 f: U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" x8 w5 C. W: V$ M7 b7 c. S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 s$ h  H  E. M9 R# M4 ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' a$ K. N. D, Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 k) O( A$ x5 S7 o4 `0 Y

+ k6 u6 x" e4 d) h* d; z以下是其他人的見解,/ l/ N1 A( T. f5 ~/ R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  l6 v+ J: s9 `! O. q, ^% `5 H! B

( A, \' d$ J" a7 K: E3 G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; |; d: l0 T- |2 ?& q% V

- G2 N+ g2 G. n4 ?" z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 b1 S7 C5 Z9 C% R, O& L: Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 z' }, E( x- V5 M& F# y- q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 f# k5 Q3 x" c4 E, b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.