Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 }! T  _+ g& b2 p- m我係一個連自己都吳信的人% u9 p( S8 g/ y3 Y% `; ]0 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 V: A' p7 D9 B' t: J: t道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 X' c. F! P5 m- P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& j1 e2 E. _1 u) B! H! d
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" o/ ~5 {! B& mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ |5 u. s, O! D2 c$ L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" V5 t$ D: [/ x6 l8 _8 @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 ^1 y' a2 T/ t3 A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& B/ M, U5 A0 Z. m. `) a% h2 [6 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 I: A; |( Q& b! L2 F4 i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 k/ B4 z8 Z1 T  ?' P1 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, j& |( t3 v0 B" t6 ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( f4 a) B, K. N" y* Q, fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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0 d0 d/ H/ |4 O' B$ h" S"不信也沒損失"
- G$ p% @/ Z& d1 r$ T) W" k* ~) FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  c7 g6 n5 i0 j, P* Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......" @. F1 a" H0 G7 U7 v( s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ?4 U6 F( n. B$ C# H. u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 X9 y4 B) a6 A, {  }$ Y" X3 ~只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ E0 w8 V- h5 h用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( t4 U* V6 V1 \: p: k# k4 q9 F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 E' p0 `3 u6 ~8 f$ o5 E2 b' f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& u( p5 f, a6 d( F/ L. |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# F! `+ t6 F- Q) m

. ~: o8 ^8 b: m, r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 i0 a' a! i1 {3 n1 d4 ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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: P' ], D+ P, d/ P8 j# o$ J+ Q以下是其他人的見解,
2 }" Q# G- i4 [- H* C6 u看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. F* H# }  i$ p, `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 i- P/ Y3 \' w2 `! b* I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# B0 f3 p2 ]5 g; ?0 D( K- p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ c( q) Y0 ?5 h; N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 M2 Y/ G' G' c& D.............信耶穌... ...

1 T0 ~- N( U* p8 n% ~% b' W, ZRegarding the resurrection....5 k8 |$ `& j# m$ w" Y, G+ ?

# @" J9 x0 }2 p4 @$ Z& ~4 rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 z/ J" X" X+ B) C( j. y! ~: ?" JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.