Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ k! I) L3 s, q3 |* s我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ r" j: T# f% j0 |7 i1 x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" c1 Y! S8 A. a0 B! m9 w- t& K1 \道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, x" J+ J& E* T" i) |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& H, v% b) E6 e- T, }, [% m/ |7 A* cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 |% ^# G' ^6 ?6 Z: y6 k. g

, M% t2 Z) [0 ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 u* Y& T6 F( D
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 f0 r. ~# ^9 ^7 B# i$ Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話& Z6 ~( n; g# J+ A: f( q! ]& B
因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 W! p1 U" T( g" H% D( M* ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  Q2 X) [7 _0 l/ n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) P2 i2 V% w' k. b. n6 E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
9 X' ?! B2 t9 E. f$ X正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 @# K& l* @) {6 D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& r; Q) C" k) Q! v6 k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 I$ ^7 d# }$ T9 T0 ^* n) F

! b/ k3 Q5 W1 YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! _9 d3 v0 y4 b, c$ u! e

$ \% ~, n) |4 b. M6 V% E2 C( ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' S7 A; ]$ U0 {3 ^1 ]$ [; f+ U' }
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ m, H$ D# m/ m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ ~) R* {( ?: z6 Z0 |! i* L" L) f! sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% U9 y" W  Z! ?. B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 r5 Y( X$ l8 W6 W" {# V; E/ E0 ^3 f
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it's starting because we have sins......6 p8 d* ^5 z2 I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 X" x8 g" t  G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& w4 Q3 D& C' p2 v$ Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* C5 W& O/ B, }( ^, S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# e% J6 t, r% h% e0 ]& ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. _+ h$ ]$ K- k: x9 c3 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 ]$ `6 ^" y6 a& m- V4 [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 j: f9 R1 `) {) c4 v) B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ ], q0 h3 S3 c/ t  B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 b+ i* M5 V. P. w- H4 m) f

) f+ j; M7 o: O, m" ?5 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- M- {. D- d7 o& _* c! l( l改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ I7 p! o! W+ Q9 r( Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( y6 ]0 l( I3 j/ v8 y& k
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, [+ H* |5 S3 {2 }$ D: r/ |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 |& m4 J: _8 W6 E) @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 F. h% R5 }4 p* S

4 M* v, F' A+ Z7 S( H以下是其他人的見解,& Q9 x# H& e! B7 L* G% W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! r2 Q1 G) c/ X7 g# l% `
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 e$ V, `: {( H% U, w) ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 X9 |* ]+ g3 Y6 }( K) E" N2 p$ ]* L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  p4 c) G. @( s5 N1 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) j  t) \' P/ Y$ f.............信耶穌... ...

/ \# j! B8 }$ c9 DRegarding the resurrection....
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5 s  [9 o3 w8 S5 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 D' o; f: d+ _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.