Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 j5 u" A3 G# x1 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 D5 a+ B) S2 _5 [( z, S( |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' V8 S# V' n: {3 F- Q% ~

, D/ o; b. s, j# N4 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. p' q/ j7 {% \5 [8 D# g. qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; U  |6 ~) D: ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 b7 W' |  O; d$ {/ T/ ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 J7 r: G, M0 n  i2 G3 O# B
真的!!這不是反話
3 O! v1 z$ U0 n3 u& @7 ^# q因為我是情感比理性強的人8 @  K. R2 B, `! N4 A+ X0 P, _3 y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 F: |3 G7 R' v- s; ]" }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 |- T' c' h# x1 E4 V5 n; T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# Z0 h# O* U( X' R+ s. d3 C  O8 S
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# p6 C" I# B# m2 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 i1 j$ i; P2 H/ T0 _& W7 s
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 B4 ?( Q! d3 E! J/ n% S
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 H8 w: b6 Y/ D& h# A( K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ^" ~5 [) r$ I) c"不信也沒損失"( @" B( v8 m0 ^# S6 {+ J2 D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 V9 d0 Q0 Q  H) S+ X0 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 l) l( q# F' |  J+ {7 ^% P1 R
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it's starting because we have sins......, _! |# c$ ~7 j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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# a% F/ }3 Y" X# i% c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- C" o# A1 B) A0 z# F3 M1 B4 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 ~% ?& |/ k9 y8 o' F& g* b" H8 V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! e% P' i( o2 z7 I! w  [# d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. T7 Z) {( q9 e" M2 U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 N1 t% ~, l1 d: ?: M6 j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 J, A% F/ n( Q0 F1 D( Z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ j( ^: }) _  E0 l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 D9 @" S( o3 T! C1 R
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,6 b, I8 \2 c. u  K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' }' v0 f- l& b: T) ^# {
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  y0 X. _0 u: _: m& r

: n5 L1 j8 D+ S' D- T  s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 F- J4 Z- z8 {2 w# k1 U$ Y

( c! b" @- e+ Y; V: [7 [, z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 f5 @9 o+ p+ `# G& C+ W, e

# r/ m/ U7 c; D( P9 w' B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# s  C% k9 E( B& a.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  |; A7 |+ \9 {: lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.