Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# `$ i7 p1 g, h) ^6 W( v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 f$ L$ s6 S: e9 E" D' ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% v' K$ m! m8 N  \- {" h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! `1 r) F0 t3 m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 X2 q$ q5 |" W% t# `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ t! k1 k7 I- umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 W) p/ {2 q; l: }; c
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 a6 [3 t$ k- V$ f- m( Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 d. x1 j. R6 X6 W7 O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# e' c5 X' m. |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; x. N8 V! C/ Q2 H/ G( P7 n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% P0 b! U* }' K% p! `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 f4 r4 K3 G( a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 p3 T6 S+ V  hWhat a statement we have here?- }" b+ r1 J. P, V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 M! K  e6 ], G. C; ~$ P! T" A

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 Z0 {! L7 Z! z, [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 @( d- b1 N$ k+ F/ `9 n/ u"不信也沒損失"- H# n% ]$ N3 h7 s* g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" U* q3 y& p/ zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 \2 s' d& g1 z- j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, F4 P* p; f% ]  rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ b7 S5 H# Z3 `只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ R, y- u! @" |0 {1 Q% K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 z9 _) K: A$ \# l+ o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. v; J' s8 H! F' ]) Q2 w. R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* J$ }. r( v) f6 ^( G5 s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% [" o5 Z5 L8 K) a/ E( ^6 m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: j4 x+ L) p& v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ m1 B4 G' C! O( u3 t

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8 ?" J  v: z' Q  K, ^& @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' v/ t2 f& [2 I  X4 I3 u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 ?9 ^* }+ v+ G7 V" l: E以下是其他人的見解,0 M8 |. I3 E: v- K6 Z$ r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, C7 F2 e. S0 ?
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: n  M. D1 y- v& |7 @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 k  T) \& K; m5 R

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$ T( a4 ~, k% [8 u- L. O  ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  C0 D+ O: u! r" I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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5 n' x: a+ S' x* q% Z# `Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.