Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& J# i9 m/ I7 ~! p5 L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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/ H/ A- O# \# @7 {- mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# M$ X' O! }' G3 G( L2 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* y. a7 `, C6 Y7 M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ r, m* ]7 ?5 l8 M8 }( z) ]- d我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 u' h7 e8 r9 p- c& Y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 s: s! T% ~: T" X- k
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 }8 B3 f! U8 ]! Z& `; \, p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- O7 ]5 j0 h# z4 r# h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ Q0 V3 w" v' R, i; A8 J  Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) p2 E3 D6 Q" y8 PLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 P5 i& d" w8 D+ `/ I$ s% r) r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ ^! g4 M' V& T; ^2 o! T  B; k"不信也沒損失"4 R. b  U* _$ V( ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ h2 G4 N  q% o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 K3 u) ]  b9 [9 J, T* I8 N
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": Y! j  t& x: F( s  \* k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ ^6 N( a4 H7 k+ m7 h4 {8 ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( j$ I: z% r3 S! v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ U1 \* G; v* Y" J0 _- K! r  I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 V9 c; \  @* g* `1 q$ ?& o& L- J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ M* @) A: y: w, C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ N  L, K" h1 ~( g- ~7 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! O( \+ R' s& `' H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ C/ [+ k, g- a# @3 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 g$ ]( k6 H$ ^4 V/ O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* L. q3 V6 z7 v8 h% Z

* @- i! I0 c4 i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# L' U; s) I4 E5 N; {+ [8 F2 \0 [+ ?

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: r1 S( ]  t5 C" b% a: w

: H% b/ Z2 S% Z! rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.