Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 z( o% h) Z  b/ U8 W# C9 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" w4 G; n# e& L1 K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! g8 [( x. R! x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 @$ }5 b: s6 l+ h0 l: K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- g- ^" t; b( o( U7 s& k! ?6 wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 f# q) V5 `) J% ~7 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 l. ~8 |% y/ G: w6 G. M) B( Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! F; K+ E0 Q; {- R1 W% Z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" C. g$ N9 t/ I$ lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 l5 B2 r: X0 E) u7 _# R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人8 \" b$ `% F$ J) ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 d* e: ~; {- U9 v6 d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# x0 D# N4 f3 j& w) H# v* N1 \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 `. D4 F; u9 S5 eWhat a statement we have here?
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! s- q. ~  W( A# a% bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 B& S6 K! \% s# _7 R) q2 T

  ?0 v6 a1 \& z# o# LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* ?- u, q% x) m  E- `# I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! i. V. q1 J9 @+ k6 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ ?. c; M+ V2 s: J" D4 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., T: y  _4 Y# `1 f8 u1 B8 R

9 z! y  O: n8 d( i8 vit's starting because we have sins......
) Z1 z' t0 F' Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! c, i" p7 h0 |8 \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 J; `8 c+ F3 ?5 E# j3 ^2 f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' L: |. v5 `8 s! C* t, u- r. S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ t0 T: H) E( [8 n9 f9 b7 E9 x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 z$ S) {* |/ L0 z+ e/ G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: {1 X! o) K) t1 I2 i& C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: @" S. P- ~, ^0 @  z( N5 E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 ]* [( b2 M% ]" k" E; g好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" P, @% L+ z1 H1 ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: Q3 E1 B; D4 H- W  |

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5 \8 P) Z# H3 a2 {" q! c! e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 |3 h* h6 y$ ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ B  u6 F/ p$ v7 L/ T' C
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( f( l& A" }0 T1 l' e- L

( F: h& Z! v5 S( u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 v$ K/ r& A; o6 z& H; {
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 s: J/ a% g( a8 @% @4 v" `4 _9 ?( n6 v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 I7 C9 [; j; X8 uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., Y- @; ^/ E3 f4 N  q5 Z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.