Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 V8 n" V+ L& [0 z9 V9 G  ^+ l" k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 w. k1 {) T. U( R9 B6 W" R$ D3 n3 K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 K+ C' }3 c1 ~' V7 v% r6 o道理我知道好多只係做吳到! F1 {. Z$ l+ W2 ~% p  |1 o4 V& m; ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ i$ L) K1 P9 }$ i( u3 \

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 u: K6 I& \# _4 V* R7 Q5 M6 n
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. u# G" h5 |7 W) v$ x  u2 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 ^3 ]' x) v& z) b  r0 m
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 d  d& u& b7 K9 \  ^2 P* ^( A; ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 E" y  Z+ D2 G5 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" q/ \5 W, K" Z$ `+ s' k1 DWhat a statement we have here?- k7 @2 S2 A" C! i: n' O- S6 G& a
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 |4 B3 x2 Z2 P8 Y4 z# RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 _# [& D$ D, A: F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ f( `9 D* z$ M' m1 e" @, d; N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ e7 T3 s$ I/ t. I  E  x' d: g; {2 c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! N, k5 T% X5 d/ s4 U8 {* p7 ?* A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' F8 ]8 Z6 Z, |9 K2 o, x. J4 A+ hit's starting because we have sins......
$ G$ o/ `* f' ~0 Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ X5 Y9 n2 o8 ^our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 B2 i4 S& T! X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 {( r; M7 J9 T# _3 h" G% [+ z4 I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ ?% K3 d# }$ R6 g" G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: E4 d  s' G4 S5 u& R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' b( O7 r& n) d( C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 C$ J' r. p1 j( y( |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ X* e' O' Z! V- s; B
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 C, d$ i2 G3 G$ ?  Q( Q) x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 M' t0 ^" }/ y" V以下是其他人的見解,3 {  }7 S& @4 @" r; ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ Q2 s0 a- ^6 O& p$ e; e
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 Y# L6 _! n2 z+ y$ t. a

$ X5 v7 A6 z( M2 g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: r$ [  d; }- J+ ^% B: R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. T9 g1 C, M' t8 |( j
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( L2 F7 Y- F" G9 B. |5 ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.