Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! O2 Z. t  w. P( Q. x) x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# {0 k7 ~4 A  V4 G6 a& h

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% k0 a8 |, E* ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; Y/ q8 G8 P/ i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; y& T7 s9 V( i4 D( G- G, B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* u/ @# n& r* i! ~5 T! i" z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ W  h6 D# }3 z5 p8 {0 S* |+ ?4 NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 A* c2 ], `1 m& p0 h' U
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ W+ L4 C' U7 G" n- @- B8 w6 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
: l( r7 R  P' V5 F& Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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' }* x; C! s! J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 R+ c1 Y* [2 I' t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 j+ R6 {9 @; h- ^+ s* q

. w+ [7 H3 U1 w; a) f$ c+ N/ @以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  n/ p& ~- u4 N# I+ x" Y. y

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- `# E9 O% P% f! a3 i! h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. p" P2 s5 @. g* L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 {( F& B' y9 \) a9 C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.