Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 N- N7 o; \- D' p; _7 e: p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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4 N( d, B( v6 ?7 A! v3 v2 Y2 I% g道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* g- R1 y/ t, w2 L1 w) _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 H4 B, n% y% [5 qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 J! u  Y2 u% ^) s* \1 D& [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 D7 X' h1 u1 Z# b7 o0 R" q

/ V5 x2 o  w3 {% P- h& Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 ~( I7 q( C1 P* y$ O3 ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: [$ [2 f4 B9 i" u* E5 c0 ^1 M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: i  Z( ^! B/ {( ]  z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 a& ]" V4 `0 i( \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& O, U/ O) @! x2 e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- L* G2 k2 m: Y* b  Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ q# D, ?7 I3 ~2 |! X0 d( q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 U' V& x% c4 }, v% N$ \+ {& |  T  CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 S& m$ x' b6 ]# P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 V- f4 C( n" D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! a/ f) U: m# i) P( X" d7 T0 K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( x, T/ }( z9 T. x# `5 D8 }# c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ r% j! l/ M8 ~) x  M
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it's starting because we have sins......) S$ h" A( ~5 l" `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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: S  [: M2 D! A0 y+ ~+ m9 F" k6 C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" t& R8 A1 ?8 b; \* m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 T* Q! ?+ z& v& X3 n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 Y: \4 [. ~9 t$ n) [7 Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 B' \0 d* \, @: r+ j  I: }; x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% `  N  b' [# s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) W& I" R* B) M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- O$ k& Q- \. U5 c1 O- k3 `: H( @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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- @0 Q+ [2 ~) [; z& ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 o1 b, b1 ]9 @  O% m: \. v

; o/ W. W5 A. L) h$ D) c1 g' N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# f* a( J/ y2 {1 ^/ `6 L

- v. t! L) s1 M- `# V7 r不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 _% Q( {9 |: d9 g) }# [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 L+ Y6 _/ O& u6 k. _

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 d. j- S! Y5 H.............信耶穌... ...

0 H9 Q; O4 U. v( g6 SRegarding the resurrection....) m0 |" {7 n4 K8 M3 ~

3 [$ \3 v4 H" l+ r4 IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... R6 e! C+ o7 s! j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.