Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 L$ z1 j" l& X9 `我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ e7 k* j* H8 A5 j' V+ T( ?5 e! l: Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! n4 J! t$ }3 _, j& ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ N. Y! v6 d1 ~& {! j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, d9 r3 |. m, e, R" A4 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  s- C2 R, X1 ~' c2 J0 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& i# C3 _8 K7 e6 F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. B& @$ ~( @1 K! v1 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  x! {% f/ @2 i/ c! d; u我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ R2 {" ?# R9 K" h
真的!!這不是反話0 T" H; E2 i( J0 ~( [6 Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人: S) l, G+ Z: ?5 n0 d$ u3 Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% b$ A- K7 T# t5 k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 D8 @+ S2 f. d: p- u3 p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 X  r/ ~( X! g8 ~  R: j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' J1 A  h9 K$ v& J; u# \5 [+ G0 L( pWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ {9 a! |/ a9 V2 ]% U( u& ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 D: Y# V# }# j1 E1 o
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* x4 u7 w' P- F4 u4 e1 T( J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, Y1 V0 D. P8 o# A; X: zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 f' [- M, J: g0 W+ s* U* `$ `, Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 u/ Y% I7 V! B5 p9 p
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 ^% y8 z, Z# p; N1 n" H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ Q: j% X) a5 }8 Y- Q' i$ F$ D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 J9 r! j4 c& Q' Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 u5 B' r5 k2 }8 l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 G7 i8 U* w, g2 c( y0 c) w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- t8 J" E4 x- K4 S. X4 ~

, l' n9 m& H* T( f3 D9 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! G. S7 N4 K( I) @: x5 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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9 l8 f6 ]6 l0 F6 ?. C3 c+ N宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& }$ F# {' x$ B/ z  t& i
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 F. O5 Y4 e. v. Y3 |' Q2 v6 u$ d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 I5 ?5 G) d" |0 \) `

3 v% y2 Q# H& r1 G+ r$ t- a+ \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. `1 [2 Y4 E1 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( D1 B" u+ ?. h/ m: f% Y+ s0 T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 Q) l) f8 h. ]- i6 z: R$ _
.............信耶穌... ...

* @- Z$ W% u& c  q2 B: h- X( @+ BRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." l7 O! o; O' z

8 P5 w$ z* v7 c7 I( t, t/ c" DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.