Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 V7 N& F! e1 w) N8 `0 Q) Y9 r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 c# d1 ]; a) n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' L5 M% w7 w- u) d7 W0 u- \6 l* BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 ~+ _7 k( [# P

3 W' N2 G7 W3 R2 R. H' k. @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 W* Q# I# p1 Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 ]' V8 j  ~& ~" U. [7 ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. v4 G, Z( w0 L( }. f我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 R# ?$ ^' }* u+ B9 d
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  J8 V+ U- ^  E- f8 y! n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 m7 g( u' d$ ]7 b! }3 F' }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& ~% i$ f! F6 Q# k/ R6 |0 @' D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, I. K3 f; K6 [: q) f' C0 C; vWhat a statement we have here?
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/ T; L5 n! R/ A- i2 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + a& D/ Z( ?. ^; i" T% U! o$ a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& V; N7 b. w5 {! i; P+ l8 M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( [) l, O1 J0 G9 D" n* b( X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* ?& }( l( t: e/ D"不信也沒損失"
' D+ b- A  H- T: t  fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 x6 t- }: E* d5 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' M" P7 z/ ?6 m1 B& F; e8 O: E" t

; }( e  Y! R( G$ b% l+ y& J% Nit's starting because we have sins......) b6 Q* N) T" d% V+ F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! c' ^# B* A+ X( @+ X+ n2 d, S+ r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# Y6 D6 V6 X! y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! c& g: ?6 ^/ g3 G1 Z. }5 D! Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," c9 Z' W- f- m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- f( T9 u5 ]! W- I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ `% L' P4 V# L! w" @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! L$ u# s9 T, t1 ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ s4 P7 ?6 n, M. r5 I7 F; S+ h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 t" G/ }1 w! W) G& j  m
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* Z/ s7 W6 G9 `* _& F% C/ g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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! z0 I& c" Q# B宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% T2 h: a' e, l" E& r7 \5 S6 C8 I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  c0 P, o# c) p. a0 K# r# \  @2 P" l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 X* F  |* H; t. O" o, `4 r

7 P8 T2 G9 v8 n, I6 S/ j以下是其他人的見解,
/ c8 p$ [: N4 h3 H% I: B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 s# l& e% w: q9 O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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1 M; j; G* Y% r7 Q2 i8 i1 q2 N% u[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 Z' s' a/ d7 W6 u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, p& ]0 i. \9 Q3 X+ R  @& Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 j8 a' m8 `, T6 `2 N
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' O7 L0 o9 G0 ~4 y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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% v- e3 L# I# h+ t3 S9 }( m: S: WRegarding the resurrection....0 y& ]! c/ t! m+ w& y, w

2 [( p' V" `4 B2 Z. cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# u/ o/ s' N' y& e$ v  FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.