Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% E. w. L: ~/ L# k" T( B2 i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 L4 v- ^$ w" i) u8 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 e7 m  I0 B. g4 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 s# w: r+ q! F$ x. V. d. J1 a0 t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ U- c, Z' ^& T' ~
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 N& p8 ?/ p! i) h) ~" e6 U
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* ^1 L; ^) l- W7 F4 F+ w5 K) X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! |" F2 f( L2 _5 Q( L我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 g6 r# X6 f2 e4 D# V' h6 h+ _3 i" o
真的!!這不是反話: P- N  B* D8 |2 d1 C2 `
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 S+ h2 K9 Y1 d+ l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 }, c* S7 X) q: u+ |! \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* }; T7 o; M5 s3 a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 @. f, k+ s. @, v: G$ iWhat a statement we have here?/ W. T- ?2 f3 \5 A

( \' A: H$ k3 L$ c1 [4 c! Q& BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" [' a3 y2 G7 `* E8 s( JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! _* `( `1 y& {2 j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 q0 f. @% r/ D5 E% Y; S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* D1 ~8 F; h5 Y1 ]but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. R$ c. H- N7 M1 {; t. a. [it's starting because we have sins......
9 Y+ V" I. J1 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 b0 u: G6 W& ], y( g( q' f8 tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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% @. h# ~: G, ?  e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- H7 R- I% o7 I# g2 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) f% U: r2 I9 I0 Q0 K2 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 Z& n9 ^% e. _+ u+ W$ l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( i. m- ^0 s) u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 x! L. J% f' l! a2 G0 F8 A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 R4 t6 y# T) |1 H5 N- P3 v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% ]! y6 a- y# Z2 t' T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 i' s6 C/ t5 s" _) R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  N" V# E4 o9 C- s: Y9 P* ~
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 i; t' I4 n4 R4 c3 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 e8 `( ~/ ^, p/ q: F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! d' M- S% M, L8 c/ e5 b. _4 P4 y$ R
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# O1 C$ p! \4 G7 D% T.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: H# o6 w  P3 D7 P; z7 G- B; \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  o" N; E  u+ _8 _7 B/ V
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.