Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 Y8 W* f3 U' l/ W0 b" z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* O/ i1 {1 u/ J, p8 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( q1 U/ B& u/ e' B3 @道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ v2 n7 R' o  p" F" ?* Z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 ^+ p) i! p5 F! |, ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( o' P+ i$ @) j

0 n- m5 ^. k6 d# M( t7 o# KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ Q" {/ W1 g* _  mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 h( }6 C. }# s" p, O9 `8 U
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 C8 U3 y" K% b' P- `我只不過微小的基督徒...................) p1 W! c& E0 `/ x3 i( U# O
真的!!這不是反話
6 m( y) Q! W, `4 _* T# P因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# S3 W8 ?6 G: P$ o, Q# o; p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! @8 F! U9 w0 o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- O5 g1 T' H; C' c9 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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0 H' G( y" ]2 U. |What a statement we have here?
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  p4 ~% `3 J, u, ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 y3 \( v+ k+ E! B7 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ V2 u$ [% F/ W+ e4 I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) E1 S0 W2 \* R8 Q. ]2 h' C

; g. X& J6 S: _9 F' P( u$ t8 Nit's starting because we have sins......- ]4 }9 l  g' y/ h7 D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 j6 f# ^& [( D9 h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- z: r  f1 q/ ~/ c, @) s8 G) v- \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ \1 u* Z( I' ?, {" i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( R$ h: O6 L: z  S8 F8 u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" F. ~  q+ Z- e2 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: m( b1 v; j6 i- e. r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; r2 H' @, D- a( W* p! E3 k7 \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 I% ?# {" g3 ^$ d8 r. d8 ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) G& L5 F" u/ W; G! n

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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8 W( E( S# Z: p, a2 d: E1 C7 ]以下是其他人的見解,3 A7 v0 C7 w! _) t* J1 I% M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 [: g+ n5 u1 @  s" }; i: Y, u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ D2 M' M( n7 x9 L+ l6 K4 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 z: C! Z& H  z# Q

! y" c9 l3 g% ?1 z% c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" E$ o& j% X" i; P.............信耶穌... ...

! B" `  [$ |. @/ eRegarding the resurrection..... [5 F  i3 C0 t5 ^; u  z: J5 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: |' m# l6 H2 k' ]2 ~! zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.