Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 n2 r/ `  y4 B/ P! K我係一個連自己都吳信的人# E+ T0 F& L. E7 H2 e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ l$ g6 @) t8 `0 ]( C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 U+ J6 ^9 b6 z* n4 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) M6 U% A. I% O

! t' @3 c9 Y( J( g& f5 b8 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 Y  `, U. ~0 B, |3 X

. i! N: f. U% j0 x8 S+ M; Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 S) _- U: {0 V" K/ [& P4 \cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人4 B7 x: o- e' Q' x( w# H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ `3 r/ o# W/ A; c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 s1 N3 s# a& I! D* y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 @& U8 b/ d3 g5 X. F, z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 V) D# s" }" _What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 ~) ~8 Y5 r/ Z" |4 v3 O5 P4 ^  a7 c% k* O* y

9 t/ Y. }$ Y; sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. I% r3 e& S4 i7 S- B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! ?' n2 L. x) v* ?"不信也沒損失"
. b/ f  B( Y( ?' g: t3 Y2 n, t; JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 Y, w( ?. b( k# V8 O: m* abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ t' t. i$ {$ h  ^% `- q- uit's starting because we have sins......
8 V+ [7 X2 E: [: |+ Y+ `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   ]; j! ?/ l0 t7 [8 K' b& J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ x- W2 D: f  h+ f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 Y# I6 }4 w$ G( g8 ?* U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, Z' a! O1 ~  G3 n; s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' ]( _; V8 w! W/ d* E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, O% F  f) A  k# c0 ^. E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 h& @1 Y' R4 o* \: a8 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 j# z. g" C: U) a$ F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% T8 g! U$ O. b, }

2 D/ r& ^! N. `% E& \- b- M$ k2 |; V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( \8 Q9 P" x9 T0 z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 S4 v4 E! q. T% Y6 s3 @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- _4 ?* y' N7 E9 J- e+ }
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% N- C* S- S2 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 t+ c& `) O% ?  S! Q: ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 u0 I3 U; M" n) e2 C; L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- T- J8 P5 q1 y! R$ ?. F8 [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- J. Z+ j- F4 P, D/ {$ Z' V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 [# K* u! |+ r3 b/ u
.............信耶穌... ...

7 m3 p1 x) [# D9 Q4 [" p5 p" V+ _Regarding the resurrection....
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' w1 N" q# y. t6 a& RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. o& t4 L, O$ S$ v; {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.