Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 K) A+ J* R  ^! K2 c3 s/ u" G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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9 H8 d  ~+ {- hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ ^( l. ^: r6 e

. @1 F0 A7 Z% H8 C* hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) P) T: N* U+ o3 F$ z

  b0 V8 D( v% F" Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 c; M; q( |9 i0 a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 O* }3 C" b. p% R+ N因為我是情感比理性強的人9 T& L4 j- B: i! l# h7 C) ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) B0 c/ h# \0 d; T/ P- F! J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 J' s# g9 K+ }6 _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., {6 ]( L) W+ M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 k- ^3 `! [4 j7 m  Z" P6 w" z" v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ S$ e. B% w& K% TWhat a statement we have here?: _) c* H( w& i# W

7 C3 _  e; p- }% x  XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 q" y# R6 w+ Q/ x3 II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' \: f1 ^- c; T: @7 S3 }
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( w  j3 ~6 }, s* N4 i9 a% D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( g7 c, x& k; Q2 E* W9 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: P: ^+ }$ v9 S, y- H) p! K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  r, ]5 f) W2 k' y% a$ c: p8 f% ?$ ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 B6 W2 C* X! d8 u+ V! ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! N" Q2 J% A1 m& _. j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! ^' X! N. G9 }6 n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% a$ R1 k6 E2 e/ X, V! \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, s9 G+ u, Z" [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! J3 p3 W, h: U! ~+ A' O' x0 C. x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) _+ q( `! ~' E+ `0 g! x( \1 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) w3 {1 O5 P- G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- y! [& k, y/ n' V5 c5 A0 L5 |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 }8 D( k2 X! \/ c2 Z  ]% C, e美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  ?7 }" h; z0 i! {4 a, D# \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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/ U$ {7 O& r) t( t7 v' Z4 f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. ]0 x! I2 Q/ c6 u' C7 g& P- w信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- i7 |' S3 a/ b2 [; @( u以下是其他人的見解,9 ^3 n7 s# R/ ?! M. l8 j, j  P1 |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 C. ], T% _' Q3 [$ X0 i3 @' p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" x6 W- B/ `# ?5 s2 ^+ B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ _) D+ \, |5 g8 ^

; A5 p+ X! R" Z! t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& F( a; u; A  f- _* F) h- U+ W
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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# ^& a6 R9 q: H1 {. }  NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.