Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 ]4 K9 q6 p# B) m+ i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* _2 I: B' ?8 c0 A, j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' S* l1 g$ ^9 f4 v4 U9 c/ u. ^* }% x

' E& {  W  P' e5 w/ I/ B. uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 X3 _1 z( B0 g" E1 [  \/ L

5 _' c8 U4 b0 Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! Q6 g! I7 P. }2 B: t0 u" G# J8 V
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." j; H6 H3 H  [# }' X( l5 |4 ^
真的!!這不是反話, ]" K! O' Z; N
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- \- q9 K0 u" n2 U# L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. Z; C) q$ w- z3 g) v3 @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  v$ ^5 P& [) M9 _+ c2 S; s; S2 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 S* `. M+ [9 z3 J1 Z% y! E1 ZWhat a statement we have here?! }/ l1 \, {% M/ ^2 H( \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' w. A' B0 H; h9 p, ^4 |0 c

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, H. j& p' E$ j" F) k. f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- u5 a4 \8 |4 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") t8 v' X& m. I) {/ M2 k! h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 ?; l! b3 w, A5 Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 o" Z# h( M: w' T  W; E
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it's starting because we have sins......9 f& w+ T6 B- O* ^! B2 Z3 O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) c" n1 \. {; A! `- s* q( {. A8 F
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; w* V* t: J. P& U只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 U. N8 m% @3 c' c3 ]7 P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 v% G% z* J4 C! E2 E) F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& Y# ]3 M0 e8 y' _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 T& ^, b& H/ `3 W7 i7 x1 F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# ]  e0 n7 x/ H# @1 r
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; [) o7 o: \% f7 T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: D0 b$ {  u7 t! s4 l; L2 m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 F# q9 `* e) b3 e& S7 y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' j$ A) g# s- s' y3 Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 P9 U) L. s1 a

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  ^/ ^* F* W3 x5 P0 m; ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 N' O# f3 m' X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% k3 l. O' ]# X1 }/ H! j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. ]* ~8 E8 f& p+ F  N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 B9 [" x, X. ?- R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# t- \1 O2 H& {.............信耶穌... ...

# m7 K- @* t& s* K( k& NRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) Z) W4 Z8 |; Z9 x# W9 P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.