Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 ^5 C" M# h1 N) L% l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& x& V8 t4 y" x* @+ j( V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 R; e) q6 Z. N/ i% I9 W: d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 S3 e  ~% [  |5 i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 W* R) I+ L" X$ ]6 I/ Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; m8 Z" J; ^: p3 S( f6 a* l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' J- t  Y/ o- k我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ g1 c& `( X  P1 e- s& ?# M
真的!!這不是反話, w; R9 g  [+ B5 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ T$ H& N" g. }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; J: s, Y' }6 b- n/ X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- A6 E% b: e) C( o, P" c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' ?  {0 w6 G4 K) Z& f* c6 Y; a, s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; v, N$ g( p+ FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & {) \" \" f7 v  ?: U1 ~0 k8 r

. B4 @) O; N9 L& z) p" eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, V! {5 k# g$ s; \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ D7 A! x, e- g% V( ?; F! y"不信也沒損失"
, S0 s  R' s7 w1 @5 FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ i/ n! W" w# Z) Z1 |: ?( O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ g) x; U! n# X) P* f* A# ^

; O+ A7 p. c8 N' j0 }5 j7 t9 Xit's starting because we have sins......- H4 |  w. L3 ^& |' u9 B4 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 \* m/ N1 P: }3 R, l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 c: q$ y  r0 _5 l( R0 r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) [! g* T; c6 K) C$ J- H* t. |& e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' h6 w$ \# j4 B: I) g+ Z) ^0 X( L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 q) B  V2 W1 t& y: k/ C+ e' H% U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! x6 |1 @! g9 Y. ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ S! K5 P+ h0 k' Y" s8 b
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' j: n7 i& E6 T# T, H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- ]1 y% h/ X6 [2 i0 F4 i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 e6 p* G+ K6 s$ l8 h0 E- ?
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以下是其他人的見解,5 s6 \) Z( W7 R3 z3 E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( a. a8 [% x3 E" Q* i7 [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, ^" H4 j7 T4 F$ L# \

; i' h  R: ?; e/ |9 \4 z3 m信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, ]9 M! j4 M9 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& M4 u6 e. G2 I2 |% _- c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 D5 H$ m9 m9 L  k6 h3 g

  c4 u9 f7 z8 t! x8 N; \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.