Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 M% C" X; c  E; o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ D( v4 X9 M, B6 g9 s$ u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: d8 w/ O  o% u) _# C6 z( \道理我知道好多只係做吳到% J5 x/ J0 q4 }/ U+ m; d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# @3 A4 K( r5 H/ m0 v* _* ^

6 D, s: B) l- K5 F% P5 aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 j6 y$ E$ R8 j" o$ vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 c6 n5 Q% N$ Y  t4 P

; _- a# w/ G7 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 I' f1 T! o6 h* Y- i: g我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 B: D& K9 k( q* ~1 ]真的!!這不是反話" s1 t% Z; j; F/ d, I
因為我是情感比理性強的人; G: i  ^% }) Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( H5 c7 r- q4 g7 V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' U/ e) _, Q, s( C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 u" W9 H2 Z) [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# D/ e; l3 z/ w9 i: M7 o0 a+ q/ j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 z! `, F  _3 U! q% C; S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 z- M; [0 ^( ]

- @" Y9 j# w  @# _% t- ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! p! z' x) E' o# |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( W2 R: e; d9 D5 S. I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- v1 y1 S% d" ~2 H7 ]' }5 g" f9 L"不信也沒損失"8 F5 K/ ^* D  t6 }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ e6 j( N/ r  W4 \* H( J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 i) h2 G* K+ `

$ v3 j/ I! ]$ a  c( n  Mit's starting because we have sins......; f& p. O0 W. R6 F7 n, I; D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! {' K# X8 E  U8 \" H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# E1 M- r0 n1 `& o0 l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  l3 A4 t( W( C; G+ j- C& W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 W* M' f* @7 ~3 k7 f# A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 a. w& h, o' ~, G+ g/ w- ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 E4 S6 D# [$ ~! `' d& n1 Q" |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: j6 E! n3 ~, B( r5 a, Z0 J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 r1 _+ V, p1 w1 Y9 E# L* Y4 _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 j7 n9 ~$ m& s7 S! B- C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 l% Y  Q# @- {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# w; G( ]. V( F1 A9 N
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: F9 o" D6 @  o! H
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! ?' V% S% L( n. y& k" m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! T2 a- [+ j7 @( P. x7 a
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 w  k2 k* T, x0 t6 _
.............信耶穌... ...

1 y# b7 o1 H, d2 @Regarding the resurrection....( d1 V# v2 c2 o: C% I
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* q/ u& y6 \$ X+ D' E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.