Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 P4 g! `, i$ M) M+ c# t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 d' |/ x& C, e9 o: r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, T; r( u  a) u道理我知道好多只係做吳到; d- [& W2 v4 b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* }, g3 b' {' {7 f; LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. I& u- ]0 E: }1 `  N8 k6 `
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 g$ A, r3 G9 i, {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ s1 m. k6 [" d! G. r2 N' T
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 J& @: N6 O0 L. A: b2 h7 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! K5 d( I% D( C9 ^# a0 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 ~. N) Q% d+ f) T, u7 q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! h1 D* _4 B" b" L  ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 K9 c- V8 S& Q! g. q0 }" d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 o; |( K1 Z2 c( \" TWhat a statement we have here?
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* K, ]9 u' `$ V. N6 X6 {: yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- ~9 ?1 ^" w" u( M/ A7 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ L3 n2 b/ N4 z! u- j% K"不信也沒損失"  q" M2 @) o7 |# h$ G5 Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......: K2 ?% x: w3 f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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4 s2 W+ G9 N, B. ?2 T% t- z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 X3 v4 o1 |" J  S$ q% }! f3 r: ]$ v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' R4 [  ]  q8 d  f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ D2 n3 a& Y8 r+ k; l( f0 u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 q; M; @; g: N/ H
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; j8 D$ q1 w' ]# `& y7 T6 K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 J4 S) V1 r  d" Y  R( z

, _, x7 M4 `) G8 S& s, H7 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! B8 r- ^. i6 O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 x8 d, w4 q! a  Y% K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 L0 ?% x' J8 V& l" U$ }

* P7 Q3 E& o# E7 B3 C7 e- O以下是其他人的見解,
, r) c1 n: V$ l# Z  W1 a# z+ H& ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# O' c4 L4 ?7 Y% N1 G( a
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' ^, W: K& {1 b; D5 S" L
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 u" Y3 q5 B% S6 ^5 l& `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; B( K) M! `0 ^2 n$ p, g/ T& V' x.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 u( }, F. r, |# a7 s* d$ z7 Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) a- Y4 Z8 l% K: }0 @% D: x: ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.