Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' J6 w$ A" f/ D) ~9 d) m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到& W- u) P) _7 a; t* p9 R3 x8 T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( V$ C; M8 C* s  yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 v" A; h( w. ]0 v

6 f* Q) H/ R7 H$ fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( _  ^5 _% S4 J! p$ v" M

8 y$ f, q& m7 y/ @$ g$ X6 c) Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- z' N; f( U2 q3 J& Z. H4 Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  f# s6 Q3 @* u: e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' {1 T) C# p; U* W0 i" N! h% [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 E. _7 W3 z7 ^- ^5 ~. ^6 D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% Q# i' A) O4 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ T# z  S) s* z: _( c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 y" Y5 Y5 G$ ~2 aWhat a statement we have here?! f% A% s1 R' C7 w6 x2 T# C

$ S: \- z+ d3 _' y# u; J# D2 SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; M4 j' @2 N( ]' |5 b1 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 W; J6 y4 X' w, y" y- h7 A. {  q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* v8 b8 J- A# O' ^7 _- x4 M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 c. H* A( f" S- y% `"不信也沒損失"6 B+ r  }/ s# G/ J8 A. t" u$ m$ [; H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ H5 j6 Z. Q7 n% |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( E: R* U' }' [% Cit's starting because we have sins......: _" f8 ^/ G& ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! i& H$ [1 j$ ^9 _) hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 g/ ]2 L, C1 o8 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ x5 ~* \# h4 C) y5 K0 l4 U% ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 z* z/ b( [4 e  J# w6 }/ g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( J+ F; h; R$ N: v+ d5 a& y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 `9 l$ g/ u' I4 C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' v7 ~9 `% T7 u: M0 j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 b8 E' `- m2 h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 Y+ m* u* j. U8 d2 N
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# ?  V% @: S: L1 q1 ?/ ^+ Z5 a0 Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! @' v  h) C( ~6 U5 D2 [1 @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. n- Q& u1 U9 N6 q* j* E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# h* H' m, I# c/ y( |9 P- q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& ~* v! e6 t# E7 A7 S, m% d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. y) o: L" l2 ]# T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 P1 o. {4 k. e' |. ~/ @/ EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ d$ e8 o& ^) ]2 |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.