Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; k5 N* }1 d% x; I% U8 K" F5 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  r2 K9 T+ A- L; N+ t7 `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 i6 E$ g7 i/ V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ S! w. F3 h' ]3 N, b8 m) e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! |6 Q3 @4 {) R# E, }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 W1 K3 v% O* z; \0 @& d

- n3 P  t8 p4 V/ d" T& w7 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 Z* W' j0 \* a% \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 C" D5 T  W# o. K5 wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" q4 j/ m) ?4 r( B1 i# a0 M' Q# Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% W7 \% w; l, M3 b" [( V
真的!!這不是反話
! X2 c8 H) ~9 k) r8 x; ]% G! L8 G& _因為我是情感比理性強的人# z( \, _3 F2 A3 B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; p  \8 `! {- k+ C! K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, _; ~" s* w' l- _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% V, G+ C# v) Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 S1 T* V' F0 L% {* o9 V" R4 T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 N7 ]8 w& H: K9 a/ q* C* W. XWhat a statement we have here?3 o* A$ m1 v! [

" o7 L# D) z0 }3 r) {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# b: F5 l7 ?' {) V8 F  @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# k5 h' T4 R& J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 K5 w5 M; t* y% |# W6 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, R& R+ W+ n- z5 m2 d"不信也沒損失"
) Y, O  t6 w6 v" S1 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 ]( u1 K5 x6 @2 i
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ O! y9 h3 y! ~1 Z$ }: L" b2 x3 L
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it's starting because we have sins......
! r% w, B+ D+ S9 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . @& E; I& j& R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ O6 [( b0 e3 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 y% `+ F" I) K% b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 Y2 @+ |# P/ d; g+ ~- d( J4 N% N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% ^+ P& k. B# u, T+ C
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 q6 u. g% }- L0 |- O2 n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  w  G5 {" o: {  f/ `" c( q1 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 N2 J/ F7 y. b( }) J" m5 ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, L% K. t4 B4 A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ U) T' m& N# i' u/ A. T

2 Y. p; j# e  P9 B% \2 c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 s: g8 J' E$ D0 r0 d, {$ ]" K

3 |: T0 C* l$ s( ?2 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 [" m$ O4 h& j3 s% u. I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; D2 b; J. q1 L$ @0 [# b# ]5 ^
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 X' x, Z" S  X: e* v( o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
5 w% n* j7 V$ g( y8 A. T: ]http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm5 v1 L4 w2 F" w6 q* Y9 u

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. d7 |, O! T! o# R# Y& G
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- J6 G0 w% B$ Y& d( S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& G( S) P% S7 X4 X% C同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....* n% ?  T- ^: H( p9 d

5 i* l+ R- D$ ^" _4 ?+ N" qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 ~$ m# @" S$ p) S$ D

& {7 a- V. G. r8 _5 c/ [1 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.