Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. @3 I6 t% t: h3 S$ W' _3 z" w我係一個連自己都吳信的人& n) `+ F2 P: `$ O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" M% n  h4 A; k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ W* m; T4 B0 B* e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 n4 l7 E2 ^( ]+ kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ E9 W0 j- s+ w2 m% h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 D5 |  q, y, P) i- m" ~$ S$ ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 x! n! M5 q! P3 U. h8 i' _/ kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* }( ^; O) O( @# `/ a( _# G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& m) ]/ p% B9 @7 h0 ]$ A( ~我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 S3 H7 W- a9 h: n& ~% Q
真的!!這不是反話
+ @0 b; h8 l1 H因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 i( H' Q- r5 s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) u+ Z( x0 s2 R+ g8 k: b7 N$ j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 F) J6 r/ g& n, [# K* @: b7 O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; J4 q" S3 l6 {: Q+ J6 i5 EWhat a statement we have here?
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2 m9 V2 C3 K- R0 U9 QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! W, h( \. |, ^

+ z3 A8 Y2 ?: V5 U. o2 y& dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
* a$ |& `+ N  H0 RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& i8 |; T5 S( P# Y2 w. z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) h# I; _" m$ K+ ]2 c) Jit's starting because we have sins......
5 `* i, H  n; Q4 [6 V1 [5 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / e+ K! W! Q, f+ Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 N/ C) M+ ?8 @9 e$ t* i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 q$ {# ^# S$ K5 \+ P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- v4 n+ D$ e; g, p+ Q" U1 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 N4 t, M6 `1 M( a0 t7 @$ C, O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# B1 \0 S) U2 c  n# u0 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 m( ]& u! A) q0 T' T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 n  r5 k- Q; D5 H& j# Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- H# J4 |- U) w' r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 w: T: |9 B- |

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' k1 j0 ]3 y& }* B  t2 g" _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 a- v+ X, z& A; r# P, ]) ]) ?以下是其他人的見解,+ {. v* O$ l% q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 `" p# Z( C  w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; P* N$ l/ e( ^. C( G! P$ z2 r0 J9 a

6 |7 {# f& |9 g  _7 v, \4 x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( b: f) _2 @' \8 Q! M

3 p- |, [6 [6 v4 [/ |9 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! G5 ^' C7 F  w" V4 c1 l. ?5 [

  A* ^$ S3 K/ p! R( y4 C5 j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 R, A# W% {+ E* M6 R

/ r9 B' a( e+ d3 K% M& p3 \7 y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" G: Q0 _: G0 p5 u7 O/ t" i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  E& A8 l7 ]) \0 p% ]/ q: u  A. S3 G

4 E( Q! o" e6 x1 \1 p) D# H9 w' NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 v3 ^) c4 O3 }. c

# X5 W7 |/ g& W+ U2 RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.