Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" q6 \) ~! c1 Q" K0 g/ `/ t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; M2 o' {# m2 b$ y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 u+ r* V3 M! _; T0 U7 S7 K3 D道理我知道好多只係做吳到* c" K/ s( V$ \& l% d7 R  d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# \2 Q0 T; r, V! mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 L- ^8 O2 ]8 K4 V; x% x$ w( [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 y7 q5 `+ L3 o& j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: B4 K7 E) M& h( W' j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 V8 G8 f; n) \- Z" ?$ l" [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 {% o7 ?0 H  ~; S
真的!!這不是反話) m* q! [3 |  K* p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 j3 O7 y3 Z" o2 R+ h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?9 ]5 b# V  q1 i$ |- T! @4 |# r

* \. l& D2 }% M  `  |% G- `" uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 v4 I3 `3 r* d, t5 LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
0 w+ f% [5 u. _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; b* x: t5 }. V$ w# q( hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, l9 i0 S* t0 V9 `9 I  F2 k5 bit's starting because we have sins......4 R9 r( o% h# T2 y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 }" y% J. S- {* Q2 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 t4 j7 M# u8 a. L0 e0 ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 D1 U4 M; b& k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ \4 ~9 X0 T' j  E1 b1 e3 j# E  W' Y: t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; T7 Z4 v' n7 K0 R& z- ]. r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 y! [6 B3 q! k& S" n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" O' k- S* n& B8 J
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) _/ y, j+ K0 V$ G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ J! ]  ^) m$ h6 Z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 v9 P5 O* q. i$ K8 x3 N! j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  K8 ^. ]5 G( E# G7 K$ B- Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- f* v9 e, N6 }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 L9 ]; b" u# n6 w8 n: T' y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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2 k2 T- Q" G* ?6 ?4 M& ^以下是其他人的見解,8 j0 f% j% b' J: N! g+ e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 k# w# p" C3 @2 [) D4 U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; R) W5 m' Z$ ]" v9 `' B9 U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 \" j/ }; d/ k7 ~$ X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; ]) R: v0 t( n2 U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.