Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ i$ G4 H6 |+ V( K/ |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ v; o9 l: R# N, W/ W' F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 |0 T$ s, g) R6 b% H  q$ U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 Q9 F, A, N5 ~9 `: [. s2 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: H; S- q' Y/ i: VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* ?' Y7 V2 f' y/ W& _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... \8 G# H+ U% @' O$ z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' k% N. @* T9 e& Q$ e/ h, e! p7 ^+ f3 y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 k4 u5 r0 }6 G9 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: y! y0 G3 E, w3 f$ D# ]4 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., \- K  }+ {& C6 n7 h* J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 w, Q, r& a2 k2 j/ w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 L# p5 N$ K" T) D9 zWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 k: z* t' ?' w3 D( A5 a4 I4 j' h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. o# G! r* m+ K& }4 x# N2 Z' T"不信也沒損失"
) l- X* [6 @% ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* _4 k+ x* t& g% p% D1 c+ Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 ]! E! y$ `; o; C2 n1 ]

& ~2 W( K0 J. e; V, O& bit's starting because we have sins......9 u2 s: K" r: |. G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * ^- ?$ V' p& W! H# X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 [0 A- f: J- X. i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: {, d4 b# \" B* V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 u7 C( E, f( X6 g2 S6 e) Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 \( G1 V. d, l9 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! r9 x0 ]/ R3 f- R, k5 p3 H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 k# N2 ~; j/ N

$ K* Q) i4 N$ M) Z# K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- `( P4 \; y1 G+ \

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6 m* z5 F7 N$ M5 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 ^4 |6 u( x7 J" o( y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 h: V% v8 u2 H- @* S  ~
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* T! [. h8 G# |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& i) C5 d  F5 [7 v: e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* r  G' N3 M4 g6 h. V# R

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 |9 S9 d% C6 l.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 O6 n9 U7 ?* b) z9 o

# m9 m( F' w" P1 b1 V* h  k1 cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.