Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! H' U5 w$ |* e+ u  d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ t4 p) @4 l8 }; J! j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" V6 o. e9 z7 X4 W( DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 Z% ]" H; j+ y9 R- C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 F2 f' S% {  @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. Z/ R$ i+ }# Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( }7 |# ]% C; y; P7 X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 K) |5 W) \! h) k! H
真的!!這不是反話
6 N% `8 S6 P( P. h( F' b# T因為我是情感比理性強的人  k2 r& N4 Z$ L- z- Y/ o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 E( ]: ^0 u/ z7 X/ |6 L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) G4 W! R, i- y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ ^# i( ?% \! X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 m' c: x8 `% v6 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. @9 x3 }+ E  x+ Q

7 a( @, z2 P* O7 x" j. J, eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 e# Y1 m# A7 k

- M( M! N7 [. R2 {+ r9 ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ |8 f0 K! \: u8 i' J# WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; L5 z2 W  G5 s+ ~/ A) l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! L0 r( \% Y" `, Q6 ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 _9 J! h! ?5 m) P) W  Wit's starting because we have sins......4 L! a$ P; N: Z5 ^( O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( j5 T; a( Z' }; s/ {" x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 `8 [. r, V: h7 ^4 v1 W$ h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," I( E/ i) u; f
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. L0 H1 R( m- A5 A! Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ U- p2 z/ d: }& z) o+ y7 C4 a3 i- x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 k/ a) o- [) v& J7 C. l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ A3 I" H& \6 W/ X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 V/ w4 P5 Q1 w4 T: W. j7 @* z4 `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 n2 p5 Z! ?% H! i' I- A8 ]& U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. t& g  s9 o$ n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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$ s" x, B4 n; Y0 z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 U& s. n. m0 `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. d/ ?2 o! _; {" D1 U1 A

) a6 ~0 O+ ^* A5 d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ @& K( g2 m+ n* j; f7 d% h6 ^2 \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 h3 g4 q8 N) E# X5 D( m

4 L$ @1 }) Q" N, f0 o8 T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 I+ u" D5 M  b7 k( x1 r8 F( L.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 h7 o9 O4 t6 W$ @+ \" A" I

  Q" y3 @" z5 g1 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 m1 |6 L$ [' L; z8 M) l
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.