Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 ~& P) F6 f$ W' v我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 }. \2 U1 c0 i( k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. X" b+ n: @$ R% V4 [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! }8 @3 R+ T& C' q7 Y* V* M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  d. ~  ?. [9 E9 q6 d1 n7 K" X0 {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 E  k* ^7 z8 M# P3 H) E

: j# w3 v# y% q" _9 k( i! B  M) bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! w' M3 u( s1 ^' l7 q1 N' Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ J3 S0 |) B( O4 |我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 ?& X3 c! n: E
真的!!這不是反話+ U; i5 q' E0 S/ A$ }! b" N7 k
因為我是情感比理性強的人# T0 y9 ]3 U5 w5 p  V0 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ \. n8 J2 W7 |0 J, d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. q5 B# H! ~$ F3 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: w/ ~. N0 F0 ~$ W5 C& R" z1 v' w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; A7 D+ o: t( J/ l7 I. [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 h5 G# R+ F, g1 x

  B! [" |1 {; [6 Z* O) LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., S5 b+ L; f" i/ }- g5 `8 M; k

) \6 E5 z* f3 i+ w$ \1 xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 |4 Q3 O0 \% [; B; v# o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 X6 s/ E( K8 r# m6 m"不信也沒損失"
# P8 ~, u$ k. P2 k9 k. EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ S# n  a2 E8 K( y- F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
% y* y& p' C; {' y0 bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , y; l) c4 Q* c9 \' O7 C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# _. n7 C' Y& i' S" c9 n0 q1 u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" m7 m( O" F9 L  t0 w, O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, q5 D2 V1 a/ g2 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" p2 Z/ ]8 g* K& [9 ]

+ O& J2 u6 T9 N' J, D; l6 r! K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, {7 H8 g8 e" H5 b4 K4 ?! f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 L& E7 B8 u' j8 u3 p

" Y: |+ B# O6 [$ f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& K  q: l8 \4 ]1 A4 S: ]# `9 t# _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" e6 p+ p7 {! ^0 i) T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ ], ?. R- Y0 H

7 G, y$ {( I8 H% o+ C2 ?+ c宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! N9 P2 C( M% W9 v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
( e) Q" N; j/ s- N# J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* m( `7 q  v" [( M+ t" y  {

) O: o" j* N: N; h) r$ x9 s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( ?& i$ A' \$ C& |

! z3 W1 G9 S; |4 Y. k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  v' ~* _' d( j$ Z

0 Q( _7 k2 p9 M; N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 K" E. v- w5 P* \6 W6 W" d, y.............信耶穌... ...

( K5 }+ I0 f- Q1 o4 P- hRegarding the resurrection....% u; L+ h" c3 e- q% d# W
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ ^. `- p: ?; G# y3 x) ^# Z2 H6 N) E0 h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.