Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 r. G' \2 X7 L' d1 W' q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: x7 o/ k. U5 m* w9 J8 ]8 N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* s* d0 D. f9 n' `, t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 p/ P! s' ^( W! j8 e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  d$ ]5 _- p& x# Z5 Z

! P  \! h6 Z- {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 P- I0 q6 I; V# B; V3 n. |7 s# U. z: p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- v1 U# t0 h( i7 Z9 l3 s0 f- X

. Y0 ^* z9 N0 A) y0 f& zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# e' m2 s' e) y& @, i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 j" o  d" d4 Y1 z9 q  V- P' Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 I0 S: f" K* E' w! r  r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ D% m; J& u8 S" `% x" B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ g  h. N( _3 @$ T4 h  d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; f) w4 z: @6 W  {* f$ _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 M9 e% F7 \) V" V. j

9 {: `6 g: D, j6 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: D1 B9 V, b" G. i5 |- }5 x! L6 k7 gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 r, k+ @$ [4 p) ]

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ G- I; g( G, I  P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, P* M0 h$ l# lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......+ {& c3 N' J+ E, }: {+ z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& [+ q- l6 e8 Q" A  O1 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* ~  X7 K& f& q* \3 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ \4 @1 I( ^# Z# Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* r( E- T4 K/ F9 G* {- B4 P8 O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 M" n) o0 {& Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; E) E9 H* \; E, j; f. ?( v2 R0 l

8 D1 v6 @' Y! M( ~; o: [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. e; d. m  W1 J8 B) l* O0 d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* ~: O' Y! P$ q+ t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' `( y# ^' d' C3 I& U" g; \0 Y" f宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 N7 m0 ]3 ?" l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 Y+ m8 _8 n$ b6 h7 ~

9 j& }! Z4 q5 u$ K7 u, N( I以下是其他人的見解,- |. W- X3 Z8 E; F0 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) x) a* v* p( d9 R! ?1 K0 d1 S
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  I8 U2 N: t% T
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' n7 \( r' c  T2 c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" i6 I5 q# W2 n; \0 @
.............信耶穌... ...

. l6 [, j: Y7 w! p  BRegarding the resurrection....
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( O% |2 s8 G* o6 kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.