Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  O) X8 z! F- e$ w& o我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ Q& H, a7 f3 \# M4 S/ A: [  Z* A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 u* x, L6 i2 q' M: o3 N8 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 J  d" q& L- s  B# C% [& @5 d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! h7 a! g, z' lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' z2 C( q7 o7 u  PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& A% t3 [& n! h! @6 X. }) p. M2 e

% l8 O5 D5 ^0 A& g* t; Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 s- j) c4 [1 F* z5 D
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 {8 |3 n3 o# T2 [1 W9 o$ D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 E, w- o1 G4 R- ?5 S& m; H我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 V- s- f8 |/ K# F: S7 {真的!!這不是反話9 o7 Q- }1 l- j6 F. ?+ D
因為我是情感比理性強的人: `8 E: p3 t0 e0 }4 ~# w- y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 j; c' w+ ~! g) T: g2 d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. p4 s# @- q8 k" a4 g3 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 B' W2 F! P/ A* i3 C9 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 T* [  D& z  `4 ]) a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# P+ w# L5 S9 }  AWhat a statement we have here?
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/ p* R( a% ?) ]) k4 s: P! qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   z$ O( x$ j( x# K! `$ e

/ F0 h. ^/ }- \9 o& p- ]  V( fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, ^9 h. M+ I- ^! b$ n+ h( ?! O- C, OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 q, m# |8 J7 a0 K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' R. y2 ?! q/ L, ~- p- v5 J+ @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; l$ p% ^% g7 |; ]1 Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) R0 Y: }0 o$ q" l+ s9 Z, {

" ]/ B3 h3 a0 B- Iit's starting because we have sins......$ Q; [- m3 X/ E  l( n  k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 n: _6 l6 ~0 N% c6 H5 \, Y2 }7 q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 _9 {4 D1 U/ v( d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 O$ H+ D% ^: J- n  B4 O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( B0 e9 P& D) B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* Q6 f# b: H/ V/ L4 Q$ q5 w* p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* p3 x4 K1 S# u* `# D/ e- P( |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 n) m: t# U3 f9 Q' w- t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' N6 g2 U& r" I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) u  I8 F3 G. x; s5 J1 ^  b# b改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ Z4 m; J1 J8 q% D: r$ G& p& c6 a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- {+ l" _' z* U( w% w# G

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 }! v+ [1 v1 Z9 i) h% X* O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 ]: T  o3 g$ F4 s
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以下是其他人的見解,% K2 z; L. n8 C4 u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" k1 r7 ~8 @! K- t5 M: e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  U4 @. `; V/ @: m- I8 Y' z! [

& X) z0 y# _' ^' @9 ?' w# d* R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: L* m  S$ i' \* N# l0 U. e
.............信耶穌... ...

" U# z: U; m( P2 g9 ?1 E/ B* VRegarding the resurrection....
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# m+ `; Y( g" Y2 r" u" IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ Y4 B, Y+ D; S+ h; T! d- u

4 ?2 O& Z2 `' p: t4 z. k5 lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.