Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 Y% P; m$ H% ^) g  V我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 ?6 N' J- W) R, t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 V9 c+ A7 I5 {, ?* B& P9 hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 ~& {! L1 w) ]/ S( k5 V" k" W6 Q4 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 h4 k# @$ h1 ^& P: O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" H% A) [8 R, n. h3 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 i$ T4 u+ K: p6 i3 v; mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& [" x, ^  L" Z1 pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 W7 J" @+ {5 @' n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- S" E7 P# [0 i/ ?) f$ `"不信也沒損失"
+ Y, M# Z# i! a7 n! H+ g0 cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, ]6 |7 r: D2 I9 D" ~# Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 P- r* O2 B. F% Q5 S% l  Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & v% j* v, C/ S) @7 X0 |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 e$ f4 _0 @: J8 l8 L2 m只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& U! M- A! Q5 p2 n$ K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 L. S; v% N" W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 V( W; \; O/ X! H$ {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ f9 ^2 f  a/ U5 J# A, |, X& t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 n6 S; F# @* ^: s0 {. D! S  m2 X6 h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" V# O) i$ s' g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 H8 D) i# r* ~6 |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 {2 O5 Q* u! ]8 F& A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; k5 W! Q# q5 m. Y" o5 U

; j0 q+ S7 ]0 ]/ S7 r! Z; w# y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, y" Y1 s. \: ~0 b2 ^同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) {! M/ x% ^! T) j) f.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& c! H" H3 v, _1 u8 `: M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.