Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( k* \% q$ g4 p: x我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ F9 }. u' s* f3 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 H4 Z( K$ `  O: u$ p/ V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, z0 X. ^" B) N  b% o2 jNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; ]1 u9 p' l# m/ jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 x+ b6 q0 k& \  l

- ]/ X) b, A8 B+ r; Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- |5 C6 N. l; U" G! `1 J2 y

( t! S2 b  D3 z% i9 l) J% C2 ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: ?' S3 f- t& M+ O. y0 d4 |! O% ?0 {# S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話2 |, H* B) b$ r+ v% v- W
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( a# Z! ^, `+ M# M& ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 v+ g# ~! y+ O3 ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! o3 G: O5 b2 e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 Z/ B0 k( t7 M7 i4 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 [- b; M/ I% x+ S9 kWhat a statement we have here?& P$ K) S1 P0 i3 n

) }1 h  D8 w9 ~2 T- R3 ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( T# i% W# L; O: x: ~$ J! @
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 k' L7 |: k) y) j6 h5 m' R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", l2 `$ @; c3 T8 F5 G) J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# `' E/ x0 A" e- ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 r) Y* a$ L$ e# s3 x0 Jit's starting because we have sins......* G. Z6 u: \. @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 {8 o+ Q+ R) B* s& f1 K: Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- }3 q, |; Q9 }7 m: ^+ M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 L; ]& ?2 D8 e& U7 s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ H: h) D* D/ q9 ~9 o1 \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  u1 w$ N2 e1 @/ G, T! {' u) m; o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  M; V% U* t9 q1 B, p6 v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. K) f) C7 y5 C
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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8 M% \/ w6 M8 h6 P( \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ J+ g3 t5 E' ]- z3 g0 S& p# a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, k  S7 @8 ~! f8 I$ Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 \# B; \# s6 n2 j  @, C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' O5 z  D1 q& \以下是其他人的見解,
7 [; ~& Y' K4 z5 Z8 U0 F8 Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  ]  E3 P- ?" G/ g! E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 F* {) `6 h" H9 {& s, U

% B5 g1 k0 L, U) |同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 F' i: I1 t, M, o* P7 t. |  k.............信耶穌... ...

0 s5 C+ c* O4 s0 C- ~Regarding the resurrection....8 [, B  _& M2 R7 ]) z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., {7 n3 \4 i2 o5 y4 p  ]3 H0 i3 r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.