Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 n6 _( M" I$ J: `9 f" L/ f' K% _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 s0 G% b5 e' @- D" S. c( O. _* b  X/ ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; W0 [2 J% ^6 g, A! I; U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, d6 j* q1 ~8 ~呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. [, v% m7 r' E' _5 m7 n3 t) S0 l0 c

* ^! @. m/ B/ S1 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( k* W8 r# G: C, K! Q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ W5 S8 n5 ^9 R3 V4 x! M2 S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! n& j. T- S, @; K/ ]8 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話* \" q2 }+ p1 P$ G
因為我是情感比理性強的人8 S' e9 K, M* ^( e& C6 Y% W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 }$ d( G) \) {: h) A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ Q* y2 C9 P. F4 R5 j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( s: w- }- e) |4 V6 {9 F6 I2 h1 o) w4 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 S0 [( U! o; B* x. C7 rWhat a statement we have here?: G; ?% D7 {* i! k7 d/ f: V) b; s

! E8 B" h! R3 [$ @5 K, }3 Z6 U  RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 u$ T3 E, c" p4 y2 n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: V! ?& c; Z, {. E+ F( T

$ g1 ]! z( P) }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' s' ^- U( C- f& O! q: i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' ~9 v0 _# x1 f8 d6 l7 }5 [7 |- l"不信也沒損失"7 ?/ D0 Z: R0 C. F0 P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 z9 a+ s% L* Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 v9 y: G8 X: l' D8 u: M9 ~
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it's starting because we have sins......
, I0 s/ X* H/ \) {0 c4 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 _2 O/ R- N8 N0 t' Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! B2 n2 d6 ~; J: I  j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ C, F, x6 m( f# Y' P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' k6 |4 h$ Y# M7 t9 X' r& g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; A1 i; u. ?' c1 g) L" E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& z- Y. y( y: O( D, r# r. B而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' S  B+ k( N7 \5 Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' u2 e8 c( e- \& @6 j6 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 J# h+ E7 p# p  z% g& Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 i9 n1 P" j1 c; Q" R; K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: }, {5 `- _  P/ n% V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  j# U0 {$ X- p) w; v4 d& k1 R以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# c* J- |) x- O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 F0 U! U4 U% O6 T. N

0 `6 s1 t- ?; O% I' ^, t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 R* r" V2 O; f( W6 @2 m& t( S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.