Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! \0 v! {: L5 d. q- e) s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 k  g2 U4 o1 U  o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. `4 X- O- d( s道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; `+ P$ b5 p( Z! p4 _4 u4 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 r. {; M& {" p3 ^/ ?% ?2 fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 X) ~: t) d3 |- a3 z" Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& I4 M: D4 n! w, n9 I9 |/ s' r

7 e2 B# m( z! o4 _2 [! w4 pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 Y! c9 Q6 {% ]0 |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 W* l5 p' ?, ^; R& {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) Y( t) U( O5 v: W4 S0 o/ Y% `9 _4 y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! m8 k. ], d- J$ t' q; R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 `( s, f5 k1 V0 _9 _- Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) v/ H7 t" j' O* {5 D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 x& c( ?( W! m0 w# G, {7 ]+ _# V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  N! @9 V3 s3 |# Z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % K+ \  i( `* m# E" i+ p9 \0 q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% O% m9 v, j! i3 X. G

2 w9 W2 X% p# C6 }) }& J7 A+ lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. F) \/ C8 |; }" m

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 t+ T% t0 T2 w' A* q: s5 m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' i2 w" ]: v" o# |1 J+ m( f* }/ d"不信也沒損失"
' L% f: n: H% s% bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ r1 I% B* c; xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 ~( M! {0 R4 g  d) [5 |! ^" A

0 X  k6 q3 {$ K; zit's starting because we have sins......
, D" N) `( y! i6 |2 nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   J$ q0 p2 ~7 i0 D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", g& |# ~) x8 j* J- w) E# e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 O, l) H( w7 V8 |6 {( I5 g0 P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 P* H/ U5 R7 h+ E: g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; N8 }4 J2 L9 }/ [0 ~5 {" r: R" Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ r6 {8 D) N' \" I, k" W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 k$ W' j$ M. I1 M) w( D" f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 X2 U/ U8 \! Z/ `' L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 c$ `; h! n+ Y: F3 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ n! s; }. G( }; D1 F2 ]) R) q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% |# Q( U( r$ V7 O; o: g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 r+ J* t' t7 F' x/ X# l3 L0 X. p

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# R; ]2 Y2 @# B+ Y, y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 h, [! I9 j1 K3 U# s$ f, c* h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# n; |" y4 @: u/ R' a" i以下是其他人的見解,
# F8 K+ _: d' t1 ?4 V' ~看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  {" G$ }: i. i; s: a/ ?! J& ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ G0 @6 F: S4 g' `. Y5 e. _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. f, l1 D' S: X# C8 M7 c
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( N" @9 \) k: P% E7 u8 I2 x( {$ D+ u
.............信耶穌... ...

/ g) y  L$ |+ Y! xRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% N+ I; C2 q) B

0 b4 Z6 [0 ?/ F9 n7 {1 p; f/ wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.