Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& N- E# z" J( i+ D; H$ P

; Z5 Z! C2 F0 N; S0 n7 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 n$ K9 T3 t! S0 F+ p, V3 x

" ?! J( l) F7 g" |# Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' E1 K- W2 i8 @3 I% L% o' r: B

4 M: w$ T* k+ P5 L( D9 a0 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% h& s3 d( f) O% b+ [. echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 t" h" @8 H% u5 Q5 Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 n% r- E' b1 {- y真的!!這不是反話
) X4 L/ }9 C- T" K1 @因為我是情感比理性強的人! K9 Y$ d( Y  M& n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! y0 ^$ L0 X+ P# u* b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ T8 x+ H9 O+ \2 h" C. S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# g" C( }0 o7 {! o# i. e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 l5 |. P' g4 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# e* y2 m  ]/ a$ XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% o/ S1 y7 o/ ?. k3 G' {+ ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ f- ^7 P1 E* J' e

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 `4 i" o0 M4 w& w5 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* ]0 i' U$ K' O. w. T$ u"不信也沒損失"
4 D1 }# ?0 @7 m% Q1 ]# pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., L: k1 m$ s9 G# C3 C! r' }/ G! ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! H6 d! V7 I+ B
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ ^: W7 J  N! A) |6 A7 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . G$ E. J2 q, `2 H1 b+ T1 d7 U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 [, |6 K3 e: k3 e# V: M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 f1 i% I+ s0 T+ c, g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 Y+ }6 e# }2 V, ^# W+ ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" [7 ]. |9 H' V" f& K& F# c9 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 e: e. ]# {% e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' C0 o, r" z3 i' @% y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ X/ A( G" o, N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. _& z' Y! I0 Q7 }0 v! x" e
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( h$ O; `% r* k, m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 T6 ~7 j2 ^+ p6 k3 D) Y. B- b' J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." e8 y2 d- i* m, ?
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 N1 o: i7 X- D( T$ i. R! ~- ~/ r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 |! z& v% w4 x3 I+ K6 K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" o- c. l$ P# {& I( i8 z' y* L以下是其他人的見解,
. A; I6 H$ K! j- y+ f& q' w+ T( P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: N. L! R! P3 B/ j5 v7 W# U
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 x' b0 e4 E' _/ h2 l( B9 J

  u9 e1 x: m* Q6 Z) T1 k: C& [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! p3 v3 Q/ y5 D* U' p. G. L

: R5 _# i8 U! N5 |; A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* K4 i/ v/ b4 i4 v" E/ b- U+ z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. U. f# b, p, x" q" }6 H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& u, e! {1 P* a4 t8 W5 p; L' v
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.