Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 Z' O# ]( [8 Q7 {( |" d我係一個連自己都吳信的人( @1 `' Y7 k6 [# l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: q5 H+ H( f3 R$ H: S道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- M" }4 n; o  W0 |2 N7 u% ^呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 n2 g/ }* S2 U; A& Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* C9 i9 Z6 F* g2 Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% f( r, \* x% O) ?" ~9 Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" M; z$ V! Y8 N* f& Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( F; \# E8 y$ W: \真的!!這不是反話
4 ^/ [# K0 j. A4 e3 g( s4 g因為我是情感比理性強的人9 }& R$ ~# S: E$ N. n( E+ \5 l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( N3 Z; f( l) m# _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 w% y; Z/ s2 f% Q7 n9 ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# l2 d. t7 C, X* _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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4 m$ E- ~9 e0 \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   M1 \. v& ]3 ]3 J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ i( v/ G3 i) E; l3 c

; ^- o% `; E: S8 K( {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( ]9 k5 y, [$ `- R& F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; y, M  X- o' s9 q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. a; p& S6 Y" [+ h7 `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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& H+ A" W1 K: [3 a3 L( Fit's starting because we have sins......, _. I  i% R8 n, R% |" m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % L8 M( w& b& S1 F. n1 s9 R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* `, D- x% C! E1 d! c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 u( n( b- K9 L6 B+ V1 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ Z0 Q5 a* f; w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( S3 U7 u* e2 x9 g! z9 m1 I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 _" R$ J  M5 F) o- A2 h& u# B; ~
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 F' \9 R: l6 |1 ^9 S7 `+ z: u7 i改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% L, ~  S' `: h( O' e! Y" D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* {7 L, D1 t0 \( ]
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 f( o. `: z$ K1 A0 p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* K, E/ |# X% n! J. K& g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) z3 s0 I# O+ r8 M! M+ m, L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( _* }2 c2 }: l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, }7 d2 G1 l/ ], y0 X8 V
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, k. d' O; M9 B+ r# G$ p' `( t1 Y7 ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# P  C7 C1 G; c* c  O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ P0 q5 K2 {1 @, y$ Y( p2 ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- l4 s$ S; [& m* Q/ Y6 I
.............信耶穌... ...

' Y  b( p7 c) r/ PRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.