Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( \  |+ W9 A* Z) y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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3 v4 T1 t: q! C; t3 K) C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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$ D7 y3 _# {, x6 c5 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" a, g$ k. I) `- A# ]5 `, H' rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." G0 A" J+ t( r) {: U) J+ C/ \

- q0 J* V5 z- cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 ~( U7 o) Z5 s8 l+ |$ X
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 {! A7 ^  J; E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ M. I% _3 R  `, L
真的!!這不是反話- f$ `# _! j$ m0 _$ G& z& o$ M( J
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' @: y+ F5 E6 D, w/ [0 J& \  L- o+ J" b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 l1 k5 p/ n. [; K4 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* V0 M" {6 L6 ]. k

# v1 f0 k2 q5 X; \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 ^. Y) c/ d6 ~3 [8 |: W

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"9 Q- {0 O, A( i7 J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 h/ S4 m' f" f* p/ J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% l' E/ A( x9 c- @( @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 T( z. a; L7 E) _. g好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 j/ p! Y( E5 K7 y. k7 _  d/ b- S) c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 j) T5 j5 H  l2 r# R7 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 i2 i5 O# H7 M$ P* Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 X2 m1 K2 q  y+ k2 |+ L9 w9 i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; w* H) `$ P8 x' O3 r以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 D( R, t" P$ M/ e8 }  V8 l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; R9 n% W. F( f
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& O5 w0 D. R* f6 r! o9 J( d& ]; KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.