Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ c  I- B* J6 d! s. Y9 q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% U$ s8 r4 p  l# f! B, N, p又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* N, u7 Z( _; e, Z% Y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; _) y0 q4 V* {+ R( [* B3 d呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' D6 h3 S9 K5 Z" S; |! z" e; X' J$ t

+ x+ j* Q: s3 P. Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& y2 A4 ]4 \0 Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 g& }1 C* j, f8 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( H4 d. w# p2 N- Z+ O5 E  J& I- I
真的!!這不是反話( \& d7 a6 n9 G, }; R( l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ }. h, y9 T6 J' d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 F4 j! z- |. e* h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# g$ L$ i$ f0 g6 J5 ^4 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; ^0 @# J6 I' t, k2 [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 h% U) T2 p1 P

6 R4 B5 g1 Q6 V7 W: u* {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# Y: l! ?3 O2 V
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, J; x, M* b& m- ^  Z9 ^( [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 n( @# a7 O" i$ _+ D! A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 j( b, f9 E& `: B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( ^# C$ t, i" N& G4 h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) o  {. U1 q1 w6 Z1 V( }  `

9 v! Q6 R# \8 x  sit's starting because we have sins......4 g9 ^1 V1 f6 h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 ]0 \. U5 j. c0 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, s; m$ f( K( Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 P# U4 \7 M. c5 e) q- z* L/ K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- P4 p# E) K% j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: {* t1 T* ~- t. A; t- c  R: q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- u; Q; @/ q- C9 ^而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& ^- `& d0 D4 f6 A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 b7 Y# ?5 a0 o2 X, ~1 r( l' V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 ^; i% Z5 U; j" V+ w* G3 l

6 m+ o* @  F6 d* r. S. Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- f9 L2 K- Q8 I% D: o: T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" [( w) h$ E# J0 V% M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 o+ }" R' H5 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! T- r2 u% t* _* T: E% G9 ^( Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 @( o: x( c9 }' a以下是其他人的見解,5 V' M, W1 k! U( k5 I$ x% W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 ~; C; K9 |3 B* b7 l9 V% M: }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ ^" z6 W6 }) n9 Z9 k

2 ~9 ~$ a7 B5 |. Y$ D$ O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 |8 d8 X+ K. T+ j6 u8 _
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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0 }" S8 F1 M# G# @( P3 {7 TRegarding the resurrection....2 J! ]) |* c8 S7 P% }% O$ {

& a7 O; X/ f& r' O- u2 Q! BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 c* u  `* v& i2 A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.