Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& _( _7 o$ }$ M1 S  r5 Q- u; O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 J+ v2 o; Q# V% D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' |/ H2 i5 x0 o8 \  @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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& n3 o7 {! ^; F0 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... G4 b+ b7 d3 z  f' j  K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% z+ B9 w5 a7 ^0 Q" @, L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 L! E' o. Z9 x7 Q. a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: B" d" F+ A( H' v( n# z3 c+ j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. c7 c7 q  b6 [% P/ V0 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 C1 l# ^5 [2 a/ z" |4 l4 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ {5 C" N5 k% }1 {0 C

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." J, k4 z0 U, |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) q! w/ b5 y! R$ U7 @4 P" `
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 J7 i3 {! T/ u/ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! U- a6 d( d3 A# l4 x" b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& t2 H: \% @) ~$ c% |but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 P; q/ n4 j: n" q7 S/ j

- A" K4 u0 N* B0 U. b" jit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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  x! p& {, r. D9 ~/ l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  L) F4 d3 G$ {, {. |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  O8 g0 e6 j8 a% z/ N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. A! P6 F. E9 t0 `: C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: a' G* f) U0 D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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+ j$ u+ X+ k9 r0 a+ v/ m5 l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; H7 H. \# k2 R# e% g, O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- U# I: t* |4 d. z0 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  Q6 z& l; s' N; j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....3 @4 ?: Z1 ]. L0 s( O6 R2 ]
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( W# }( P0 ^/ f- [$ ^

, E- d, s' _# j, H  B- EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.