Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: A# b+ S9 f% J: o- l9 `9 H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 p2 D3 T4 {# ~& e! M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 [* M4 T0 M% w* }  V# D道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 f2 w9 \  U4 {) q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# o# \0 [( l* {5 s; Z% S8 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; d$ i- F- L7 ]# M$ I

  Y7 t  ?. _, |3 x+ b( Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 i* a/ {1 s8 P9 zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& S" ^  N* A  k/ X$ y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 S' \& _1 G$ E# O% D3 s8 _. w; [: H
真的!!這不是反話- Y/ `2 v7 R2 J9 e6 P0 F
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ L3 r3 {- Z% I; g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* S# K3 l) c$ s4 _+ w6 O1 @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, ]2 a; J9 r4 G& V8 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 {: e" n. V" ?What a statement we have here?/ E% _/ {' D+ f0 i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " G, R: N/ [% `% b( f/ o0 `

( Z& b4 ]$ s* O# f" p" ]$ dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 m1 E' ~% Q- r# K2 f1 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 _. E' p  n# f  K. S/ F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ Z2 H* g: H% ?: {; Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, i9 P, t1 |+ z& A! Z% Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
' C4 c4 A' [" O+ U) R& R! Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! i0 Q/ J% B4 _- N# H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
) E  j* D) ~1 z! X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: a% J3 M0 v$ t. o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 Z9 o5 f0 \9 `4 o* M; P* Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 m" [/ T2 s- _% `$ T* n. z6 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* n* i6 n- H6 l  P* Q9 E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: N7 h! Z+ g- r6 {) V  X1 j' [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 l( q( D0 |$ ?2 B# G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 s& y9 m& O5 s% P6 c6 l. q9 T6 a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 q' w, ]; s1 r( s( R* K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. u! s# l$ M1 j8 t* u4 H
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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* Z, e4 @  S8 b' A! s# Q4 `, O[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 ~9 p* a' H# E2 W/ F0 o7 d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 A# i" ~/ _# _
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: `1 _/ t& d2 o7 b

0 t- T/ D7 s4 u" M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; L! [7 t" K4 Z1 [+ W9 S6 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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. R# M+ Z- O  K8 p, mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- u" _, x% D* i) b& HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.