Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 }6 a( s0 T( I! Q( y' L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; t1 U9 ^# ~2 {( U7 L& u* L5 d% v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 j6 X6 P$ N5 H5 i. o
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 Y! k' P4 {. L% i: \3 J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# D+ G! p! O* o/ }+ l) Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: E  E5 c, U+ c" e& }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: i0 w2 f+ Q8 i7 `0 y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* ^: o. H6 e9 t$ q1 \& Z6 V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 j& n+ ]+ B* t- ]1 Y- I1 P7 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 M+ S5 a% N+ F' g2 t7 Y0 j) v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 v. Z4 p/ }- H0 M: P/ L& |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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% w6 Y7 s, x0 A# rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 a' A1 m# j9 c( s4 CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! j6 }% z8 W# @( Q, E/ I' jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ s) ~* {- X: _8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: _8 b7 K( a+ ?8 U. w, Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 ]; B, F2 h( i$ k; w1 V$ ~it's starting because we have sins......; g, s2 n" N* v) N  Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' ]( d. V5 N$ e/ f# j0 w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" ?9 `$ k8 D, W7 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 O3 U! y1 D1 _+ @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* f- _, E6 f" g& F! f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# w+ m1 m, U' b* n. m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 j) ^- Z) C4 G
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ ?0 Z# ~2 I+ w
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 r7 Z" Z# Y; T9 s5 C% u4 ~; C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ l2 K# o( ^' x, J一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ d2 K) C; U; M$ @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 \& d8 I; L4 L7 d0 F# ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 g9 Q, ]6 P; _2 e( A
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
5 U* `7 d! d5 }# ~) G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- r. [4 g$ I$ {4 @0 n# y, ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 A# k' F- F1 H3 C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# `; M# |& j4 W& Z" ~# s6 o; H( E

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 A4 m+ z. k' w  E.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: A: t7 w1 m# y$ S% u0 @* L7 `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.