Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 R0 m0 V. m1 H' w7 G我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ Q3 }" W- e+ m  @+ i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# k2 ~) r! l  G: x# G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 N+ E5 K; ^0 h0 F# ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  @" X: v7 m* N2 s5 J0 Y3 z% s% Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# a! `$ w+ _5 v" w8 F1 `" w. ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: V/ X) u( H1 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 A8 E, z5 ?7 J; `- M1 _8 G  r7 y2 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 O6 e- H  Y" b$ Y' d真的!!這不是反話
2 X' o9 q: |5 x$ X$ S0 b因為我是情感比理性強的人7 N6 u; w$ F8 Z4 e# A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! L8 ]6 q2 _8 h+ S8 ?8 G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 c9 r2 h, A9 R  \  V7 D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) C0 `1 N% d. p7 _, k4 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 m8 w8 ]) L  g' O6 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 z, J( U; w1 d$ F3 }What a statement we have here?7 w- r, g1 N" l9 n, z' m
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * l. f3 a0 d) c

1 Q2 t' v& R* |7 k1 E# O2 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 W1 p5 B) }" o5 T" E

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- _) @+ \( M* D0 b1 G9 W) B/ T8 K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 c% g% d2 N1 u4 s7 W4 x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 N. g; Q7 @& c5 b
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it's starting because we have sins......( C  b" W& Z7 {# v: {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % v( m! D2 K: ]) ?, t  u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) @" H' ~- E. a! x4 H/ o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 s8 U9 X6 `0 {, Q5 c& G( a8 B: _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ P5 {) h+ Q! x8 v1 `9 C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 a2 C8 o9 T8 \1 ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 T; k' F* d' _  {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: O, f* D  P. G$ o7 e' l& {- l

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. u% K  v8 {9 ?9 h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 O2 Z/ e# o7 O: r. M( `以下是其他人的見解,3 k# H4 R' J3 i3 h# y) M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  I1 ~, E, v# z. y- o- h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, Q  i- @# C- D" J0 B+ x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ \$ d1 e% Z, i
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: f4 r/ S4 K( o" N.............信耶穌... ...

9 [( j5 m4 {$ l$ a7 U! i5 |Regarding the resurrection....; H3 i; \) A2 R5 D8 I

! M3 o$ K0 H% z" K$ AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' `* K, f5 c. T9 E- c. T6 hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.