Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* k; U5 f4 L0 B% d# |- ~$ J7 a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 ~" z  U" T. Y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* K/ v  P2 Z0 `, v% s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 a; r4 _7 u3 z. \. F- P6 @9 x' }8 YNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: G2 f) M" ?2 @' W

+ B$ v8 A: R' U+ P) Y$ Z+ VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  y1 Y1 h4 h7 F  \% Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 F; T- X  u4 P, J5 ]" Q4 H- u! xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 T4 ]) _4 k1 t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* v4 n' j' f6 L) Q4 Z" Q5 y; y3 h
真的!!這不是反話
1 b# y$ z) V' y6 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
; D" ]0 D$ K+ O& N9 T4 q- l1 U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& _+ w, u0 o) w& N6 Z$ }: W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 D# Q4 w6 X, S$ q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: y8 \- w' y7 d1 R+ E: X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , ^6 X; G/ @  L, S, r* i( k

4 I' t1 p* f- m6 w! xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 _' ]$ `# `2 r3 l3 d" QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 M, B6 v( {% Y4 J' P- ?5 \( o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" _$ B" D. J1 }. w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 L* J3 @1 R6 U- X9 G- A; u7 fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; i. {+ ~: V0 s/ m, c' T

! w) |# g% n9 P  j3 lit's starting because we have sins......
+ g+ q0 Y" O* C; z/ p  ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. Y7 F- z4 ~( T- ^0 {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* P. `7 U* H0 j/ j  @7 Y: @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," B( Q  e) F7 U' K$ P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; o" k2 z  F  o+ Y0 w; o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& r4 j7 f, Z1 V, K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 N, v  [5 n3 j% ]' Y$ f& Y# w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. j  B" c* Y; Q( |
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 v3 C& s7 e, c2 q3 |0 T- P1 U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! w/ P2 g9 D; n1 i$ e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% O4 o; {5 T5 q: K, y# G, I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. O! U) v  K- ?9 @3 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ F3 E3 V8 ]8 @- o7 B8 `. d% x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 h5 W3 |  W# O: w  s. I以下是其他人的見解,
% |2 g# [4 s4 q* v7 n看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 x4 d: ?9 ]1 B" p: ~+ {

; k2 N/ ?. f+ x0 q$ B! t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% y' R. F; M- s( ?

, f+ U5 e# B/ ]/ U& `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ y( y3 c2 h: |* _1 O* X

& |2 B, q! R& d) E  d$ e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 \9 w' g$ C( w% J2 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& X. N+ A& c9 E' H, N) N2 A% g6 _
.............信耶穌... ...

( w7 |) v7 h; MRegarding the resurrection....8 G" T4 w" o9 o4 ~( o' H

! }" j$ T9 f# T0 O# p, |4 ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* {/ \0 r1 H1 u! P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.