Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: w0 S( v4 g: x3 S6 V# Z' ^  h( j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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/ f: M8 Z' t/ s& a8 r7 W道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ r9 T* ?0 H/ g! U( ^# r7 F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- ^# y% R0 r% l% C

0 z9 ^- j6 f. ?/ F9 bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; o" g' h8 e" s, U

9 r6 w7 k% s) ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... K- z' \+ ?0 ^: d5 _/ e- u# G9 p

9 m1 Z3 Z, B- p; s) p0 V  {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( x% `7 S8 W- T, p* |" H5 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 B, q4 x" m) y, [' W* l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# u3 z2 |6 f2 k- r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 F* }% m1 q6 ~% ]5 E1 H% Q- @- U6 n6 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 H: Z; y+ O  j" l5 p, T8 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* C* P9 B& }/ j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 ~% W4 w. e3 ]9 X3 X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ R5 v; H$ ], J! L$ ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, {0 F. ^& K9 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& A1 Q# }( O& J$ f, e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ f8 F6 ^+ t  f& h* Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# R) u3 X% m/ x) I/ w- G; nit's starting because we have sins......- i7 v8 s) f. }$ D( g9 M) H! M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : K. ~0 ^( K* h( ]+ k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" c: S* c" L% R, ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ v) t5 W! o; O% v9 s7 N* t+ R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. |* ?+ m: E# S3 \- i. ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- H  f" d/ y9 [, E# V+ V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# G# M0 b1 U, G! [+ q7 Y5 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; @: U% ^0 m3 Q, L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# X& `( {5 M: v5 x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: V2 q4 N9 Q& _8 A! e: Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 n( e, x. C4 A7 |. `2 n# V

2 C* G: ?' V6 g" p7 d1 w' K! r( k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% K* o0 f5 l9 ]; A% G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 F# [! D# M: n* W( Q) E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 ~) s* k8 f2 L. ^" T' AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.