Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, ?5 C( C4 V+ ^# n5 B" l6 F5 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 n  Z. \! r) ^" r5 Y' ?; P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& K/ U: u( ]( ~, P' V; S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% n: i4 t- W9 D; L* F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 A4 b1 n* i+ M7 N
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* n$ A6 K! i, b( i$ o6 Q

/ K; n& i4 K% Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) c$ f  S/ n' P( R9 c; f# o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 t4 y/ B$ w  jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 f! b: N5 i* z3 S& Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 ~+ k! H4 x! r5 K7 e真的!!這不是反話1 q% p7 u0 f. j8 k$ s0 r! [
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 o( A/ l9 l3 D9 ^: W& g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) k9 o9 [$ d& b/ t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! Z# g8 q% p/ ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 G2 |; q  b0 J7 o" R- s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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3 r: o+ S$ L0 u; S, ^4 Y  d/ z' EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # [; X; Z- l. j4 @/ ^+ l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# M5 T* J8 L) }! d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 F  ^& G( F, k& Y9 U: M- A' J4 b/ C

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# M8 I; Q* J" D[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ q7 A9 z: c$ B"不信也沒損失"
* @) C$ v2 I) U$ DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  S- g" q4 g' }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) R* n+ D; S% P8 u  E2 f3 G

' Y5 e  s6 p8 F- uit's starting because we have sins......  ^2 M  m( u  W) R0 M* L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' u$ s1 l: `2 \$ j3 Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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! B' w# D7 L- {. u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ B2 r6 J+ T( n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: u6 ~/ {  C0 n, ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 y: R4 z7 S, U. }+ r4 G. I8 V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 C' F! ~! L- F2 U  F; u/ t
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- W2 ]* d/ ~! p$ E" _; q& D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, R( d+ C& t1 x& a" T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& [$ s9 f$ x  k1 j7 t1 a" A' Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 e" z9 `. V+ }. A  x: P+ S5 E3 y( t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* ~3 j& [  b. l( }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ ~6 P; H+ O9 w- ~+ \' M9 J
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) H& E6 t0 ?! r. z3 Y# Z7 A- o+ X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,1 K, w/ `9 A) n9 O( l  I2 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, s2 h# k1 V' `9 v5 K' k
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 x8 U% ]* |9 n  m) T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 E; n' B+ r; F( G
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 t& x4 d  o! [, d! u; b7 {
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& W$ W: ?2 d( B% H2 P* {, b

& ~3 q/ H" c4 H9 N' N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 f2 p, \( g( e
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 s8 c4 M; h1 d# [2 J

* p# f' V: [$ E$ C* ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! e: U5 w+ D' b7 C- U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.