Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 ^4 l& o. j/ m# X. B! b+ Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人( t- p) f) f1 w1 Y: c; K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 ?0 u. U2 ~2 }2 t& P4 W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ y: d) t7 M* d% V4 F- d, ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: @5 z5 [" m5 Q  D

. A4 e' \/ o. ^2 P3 INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 O' }- Z! Q& z8 G: s& M
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' [: y+ G1 F0 b( U  W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 |& v4 ?) t9 y  r! @4 \  i; T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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2 r5 J+ c+ X2 Y真的!!這不是反話5 y( g: ^$ g6 s1 T0 B
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- y' h7 r# n) ~6 Z; z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' D& M. D0 J# Z8 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 c! b8 p' N' ^# k5 B) P/ o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* F. }3 o) C: ?. n/ S9 j+ O$ I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 w1 N  N4 m; [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 c3 w. _7 R7 [* qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# u/ V: h- ]3 Q4 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* p. A) G& j& n( q* x$ z1 y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! h0 y4 z  L/ T) c8 P! W; H, Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% @, j, {/ F/ C1 m9 @: w! q
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it's starting because we have sins......8 ^# H2 C6 P/ L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' K4 t, d6 o) l0 e: h( l# F+ _( Q1 i
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": y/ B6 N4 S6 W. [$ f6 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. F" E. H. b& Q" `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 p* J. m4 T9 }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 v* Z4 l+ G- x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ b% R* s3 u. ]7 o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 j7 n8 M2 R, ~) I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: d! I  S, _7 P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: l( M: o( Q0 o, [2 J6 F

6 u% B/ G1 \! V. x- o; d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# w- m4 I0 s/ C0 H0 d& O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: e  b" n) p2 d) f9 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  Z5 H4 P# f5 }& i  I. M  u! X

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2 w/ U! T$ |& `* G% U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 t% t! f0 g; h8 |$ t6 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' d- C; }4 w3 w; E* T
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以下是其他人的見解,
/ A, m' y5 g& K! l. k* M) `% c8 `- m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 j- q, a5 j' T+ ]5 r- t* r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm0 \9 q9 x2 k9 a2 l) C" V$ Y# X

9 Z7 ^( ?* x. A3 Q[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, |& j+ |( o. t1 b( d2 `4 w" @' m; V5 j

: v* C3 }  l$ C' l0 X) L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( m- L  c4 d$ C/ E4 q! s; g+ I

( X* H& o( f' i5 k# g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 H6 @$ U$ q* {2 @: K% S: A

' D! `5 ~( s* _6 R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; n1 v, [. T, `, k) i# k* s0 Q
.............信耶穌... ...

( x6 S6 R, a# x  a* BRegarding the resurrection....8 W6 a1 O1 T7 t$ Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 h: R, K: Q) ^! M* n4 K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.