Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) a+ d$ c2 K( s9 A# S  x. O1 n0 @4 c我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 d4 D6 @- |+ a9 _  K8 r* `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. C  o) C4 C% V/ f" b: K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  g2 _2 o4 @& G呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# ]' r" j% I0 K& K, h3 O/ S" X* t" d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" g2 B5 F& L% amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ e+ D  B" ~: F) Y8 b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  Y7 G. g/ }3 K% _* O: t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 e: q. K. l2 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 G8 D/ M" r7 ^8 T3 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ C$ V8 S0 T  U1 K# }5 wWhat a statement we have here?" c; `) @/ ^: _& x0 u( [) ]# S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 A( l# S% B) ^

; H3 \! x; Z! SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 }- G) O$ I+ }: m# g( oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 A  ?& d% m  W* x4 p

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: q8 F& T) [* r' I4 m* v7 p5 }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 U. S4 z3 ]  l4 m: R+ h"不信也沒損失"
( \: A* d2 B" t4 J' m$ [+ ?& v  _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& Y7 z1 L3 e0 l' `- {; E$ L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; F2 r$ D8 N3 h- {2 ?3 ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: y- F  I5 P- \% Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( b8 l& Y' a5 v) x9 }0 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ t- E" `; P  e( {" ]. y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' U1 j/ z4 m4 ?( ]: f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Z- p" w; \8 E# }  Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: v+ V; F- L1 |( s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) g3 J2 \4 i3 |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- T2 C4 I# Z) S+ S- F. A) u2 M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 ~* H! q& Y1 f% j' o& z

% ~0 r. ]! C# k' o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 H0 y2 Q3 ]% _8 k.............信耶穌... ...

4 n0 _* F! n4 C& q: ]7 |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  ^! D3 A; i8 C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.