Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ I) M6 [) U  B# u- U5 E9 M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* N5 k1 x8 B) j( L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 ~! L1 k+ d" f( h& d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. g( e; P9 W% @呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( a) {. A; H! u+ c3 j$ }1 r0 f1 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- {( M2 m! H8 _0 F/ C6 c* Z7 W: h

) n" w! T* |/ K/ K) P' kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ d! ]0 ?( M* E+ S* k; Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! V) T/ M% I) Z& l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 P7 D' c# H- }; ?! o: v: v3 Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話* {; h) l3 J0 z7 q' `
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 G' p5 \" ^: r; c  j) I, x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 p: S' C# @8 o: b% I3 j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ ~% D" T" ?6 Q. F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- t/ m' E: s8 F, O9 p# G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 N; w, {1 e' P5 x+ \: vWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 I8 `4 Z$ {& k0 ~, l- T

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( o( ^" D; J! \& M' _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* }0 Y* @% T& H0 X) wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) C( K2 F6 B! u% [3 Q+ H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ R' b- N( K5 t3 \

7 l5 b6 ^, G8 [  f+ ^) v4 t, u$ hit's starting because we have sins......
5 L# q3 }( ~8 [3 I* Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 @1 u& m& t2 {, Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 O: T/ o" h. o0 w. X. T5 W& Q% ?1 b
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& D  O# a1 Q# o' v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% T  V- }. A! P1 _: S4 _' E) s) j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 n+ g0 Q$ R  W3 {- C& r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 \  p/ g7 t% ~' Q+ l; X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& c: G# z  a; C: L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 L. q5 u+ r9 D* }" F% Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( Q2 s$ C3 e# s1 n. I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( R+ F2 R8 N$ T3 J; s! x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 P: m% K% Q$ T- r美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 F9 p4 d4 h$ w% E, t# G! A
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# A4 e# \5 Z6 N! j& V9 p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) ^. q1 P* [+ n# B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 T) ~9 T* `1 L& O6 Y: {

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# h3 e7 |, s  _4 Y* s" Z& D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  f! Q  M+ t6 p& |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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: _7 f: O9 o- L& t4 W) M( J) aRegarding the resurrection....( H" G$ Q' p" c
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 G: x6 ^2 G+ y. o. jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.