Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 X7 j! l1 G: g. H! w  b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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$ ]  s) Z, k# ?, p2 B8 K9 b道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 Z: r/ l$ T3 n& G$ S1 y* z5 _. l" r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 a7 Z" G/ Z# N# ^4 P
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) X/ a& O% c* d

9 |/ g/ D, B8 L2 F' vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: r$ @7 h9 `9 H$ B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& ?( p( p; W: _4 N1 L/ ?2 N6 `1 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- G6 e6 O5 d& ?, W$ C/ i0 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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/ E9 P0 G5 S6 Y" FWhat a statement we have here?5 Q4 g7 I; ?+ S- a0 w
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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; N/ Z6 V- L# \- n+ b"不信也沒損失"! G* k3 G8 M" ^) `& Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......! w+ j& M# M0 I. C  C7 J% k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( r$ D6 \' _+ @1 Y+ _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& R# b( d  t+ ?# K0 ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 y* A- g% ~/ t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 E  z3 m& ~: j  j$ h4 w; Z  o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 ?7 u" Q' [/ M) m- ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 ^- Q9 H& w# B6 T  I' B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' A7 T  l5 |0 w. A

7 p. k: u2 h4 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 C$ t0 `4 Z+ w% q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 |# ~( `$ d- V! o! o4 }! a4 ?( F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! ?5 g2 X& g6 c  o0 h2 M. M' o
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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- T) X/ Z- ?* p8 I( p以下是其他人的見解,
- J9 G& H0 b; P( V. ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 y8 ~9 L9 e/ U2 V# W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 N: m; N6 [8 J" w/ F. h2 H

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$ q7 F  {4 ~0 K; N6 @( Z3 u% _/ `( Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 s1 b/ A7 q0 `8 w7 g- G' x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 z( N- X, @8 A
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: x: C5 G7 i1 ~) BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ E+ q2 U; Q! y# m. N
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.