Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ ]$ s6 k  T+ x+ K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ M9 {+ K9 p+ R$ X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 u/ t# W6 i3 a0 Q4 u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; m/ e. ^) i2 g: M5 B5 u# d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 f0 l1 U! n3 [& x' V) X2 r8 l- zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 N4 M. D- }1 A! V2 c; x
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; C- X2 u+ y3 Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( p; H" G. m6 G0 b* ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 j4 `; E+ [1 q- L3 ?4 K- i# u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ d2 A( I: x' @3 [: J( c' {
真的!!這不是反話+ m$ p( ]* A6 m3 N7 Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人, H2 d* c2 u( s1 u" S& C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 O, f: L# Q/ F$ S& p- r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% p2 v" x, z# c0 I7 t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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# P9 j9 z* Y6 i+ v# Z: YWhat a statement we have here?
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6 Q; `" [2 s4 G1 E8 v& z7 rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ S2 Q1 p- C$ k. p& g8 V* I% [3 SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 L$ R4 h% K9 K( }0 F1 H1 e& ^( b1 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- Q3 w9 [  f  w4 Q) `; q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( e  l: x; d+ y  D3 c8 u1 U$ g+ B"不信也沒損失"7 G, s) h7 L0 K9 h$ r! X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 b) g, |* w3 |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ d2 z  [* S* {2 O( U
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 c& O- \+ h% j4 h4 R% hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ ^' E4 R( ~  Z' m$ X  dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# u$ i5 N4 ~2 `& t2 x6 D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 k% k/ W) `+ B% Q1 {) e( z) Y5 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 h2 I! v: W6 H% `" f( v$ h' M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& \9 u! w8 K, y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ G0 P4 {6 E4 |: z3 @  E, T) k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 D6 W& b% ?* P, j# A( x& v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 g& p$ I* k2 O7 C( t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. L# B" Y' _) Y$ l0 ^! o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( V- B3 O  j+ F; n1 U, K8 |

) i7 W' `0 W3 Q, {以下是其他人的見解,
# |) e7 ]# u4 W5 H8 x0 S# y; I看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" H( ^3 E+ J/ e1 Z2 M
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 g( D; `! v' m, c; V9 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 g! {6 ]0 [+ b* m' ]2 [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. ?$ L* D1 j( N2 ?: c1 ]% I8 S8 d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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. D; A- |( q4 G! h8 D1 C, eRegarding the resurrection..../ E5 v4 ~9 V$ U( o# H  U/ Y8 R/ Z5 K

1 I. L& ]( _$ G2 t6 T8 mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* r8 T3 d3 y. @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.