Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* F% L9 A+ G. E0 ?7 E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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' \4 N2 J2 \! A道理我知道好多只係做吳到' g& r* p  F1 z! J; D2 \, k' _5 D; K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 S" z* }. v. X5 u* c) _" Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ o, `# O, e3 J+ w; E8 l) `

; X0 R' r/ k5 a8 k" Z/ T' fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& ^9 o2 u! }5 c( u0 q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 x8 D. B! M5 I3 M* N: o2 s我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  [7 T/ O8 i1 U# S6 b8 h0 q. X真的!!這不是反話( s% p, ^2 W# s% T5 F) X; f7 ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人" Q" q. z% v$ v+ j2 R  Y% s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# \# z) I/ i1 j2 `4 P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ h. {6 w1 _8 m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; ]( c* i0 b, @& H  f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% L; Y8 J5 f" p' J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* ^# [2 |: h0 K8 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ a; P# @6 u7 t7 J9 G) {, z"不信也沒損失"
) F- j7 K. C$ ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ O2 M6 x: T2 r( ]( h6 r' Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 w+ |- a4 M) R9 U4 m7 ]
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it's starting because we have sins......8 D" U0 ^% S% G  D5 c! t; n! s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) J0 s* x8 K% x. aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 z. f' n. p) G" s# ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 k% G, x1 g+ U3 V% S) e7 j; @% ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 n' \+ }. N3 c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- b! o4 V0 m, A+ w& Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ a, W' _/ O% `2 S) e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ F1 k( Y6 [+ E: ?- \. d2 W1 x! l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 ~" ?4 R. j. F# ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! V6 x( C1 d4 S& I* q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  H- s8 j, [) b0 F6 C% [$ M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% c- D0 E3 _5 Z- j9 X. y( u

, O, h/ O, _3 n% m以下是其他人的見解,& P0 N3 A/ G) P( x8 T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- B5 @8 |4 Z# x- v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# P" F! @- e6 B/ P' ]# K& U5 w! P4 u

8 d# ]& W# l9 g+ B. M, p$ |' C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 P; ]6 ^  f1 m) p# n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% Q( F2 C! f6 @8 D6 [8 v5 @# ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# \" X  ?! G2 P/ o% j3 R$ J6 u' z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.