Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; K0 y7 i+ k. _% |* I# X( Q3 q, k我係一個連自己都吳信的人; K! f4 ]4 y& b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% U( r9 T  J3 v* I道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- z  }! i  y/ m& n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! e( J9 T2 g4 q" ~2 MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ Y; ?. a; H5 }9 C* V

# n8 @+ J* F1 v" g/ l" j9 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ]* o5 E/ T( o" ]& j& G

$ H5 \& }! ?1 e: U3 T: z) Z" zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 q+ p8 M7 O$ P

7 W; \& G: i8 m! y3 _6 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 G% Q4 Z$ J# _* o9 @1 D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) x0 t* e4 k6 E2 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( ]- ~/ M& l( t0 z# B0 m
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 g, g; e2 ^; a1 j0 G  m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 a. y' F7 \" \, t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ ~' i. v' q" W- O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 R. f3 s4 C0 V4 dWhat a statement we have here?1 D1 ]. r/ J1 M: B/ M. v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % h/ p, V: Z5 t& p& X8 {' E9 K6 ~- z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." d1 x/ ~) H+ v& M1 G4 e

* d: j! g, ?: D- K7 A. LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" K# f# f8 x1 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( \0 Z/ n# Y+ Q! L% ~& k. t"不信也沒損失"4 h, g4 F7 _7 w3 b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 b4 v( c% N' f2 u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# P. j6 s3 ]% q0 w: f* F& ^

( q6 h6 D6 L9 Y0 ait's starting because we have sins......1 F0 y1 l) ?4 W: _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( O! t* M; D4 H5 R& M7 F. \& r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 ]! k; d' i: ]4 m9 I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* W9 z) g/ [$ V" W* x: q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 B. T/ Q' X  x+ |+ d3 h3 Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. d" ~  V: y( Q, F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 A7 ^, S+ @, c) j; H0 D" {9 M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" S6 J8 W8 P  t: l8 P1 S& ]

' J( {' s+ y; f6 q/ O/ j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 |3 b" w4 _5 C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. L6 l* j- A5 c6 j0 F) b6 q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! m) B% _4 ~) n! d4 B, c1 p, d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 \* k+ L  Y8 S+ Y- [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 E8 w+ w8 N* u/ _" f/ h

/ Y5 y1 q! I" `9 D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 M  L7 m, r6 Q& E* y9 o1 ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' w- f0 |& Q& I; P$ N9 ^) V' q& \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 ?7 o# p7 H  |
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 G1 p9 k4 L6 h7 C  |
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ A7 c/ q7 F. V- `, {0 f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 q+ S4 c/ y% g# @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& o1 U. `/ V' |& G$ _7 m* B
.............信耶穌... ...

  ?: J2 ~" I+ W# S+ I: d1 [Regarding the resurrection....
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) X9 Z, |* G1 q6 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 U  ^2 @6 g9 E3 y  y- L( r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.