Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% Q( x; y& r: N, \6 G* @# m7 Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 f. p- R" z) E- Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 N8 X' @( M8 l- m2 \; }7 m' u& ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 O3 U, r& F2 N9 q7 ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- L" {; j/ ~, M4 ?: {/ v( c* LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, J) ~3 y/ M5 M) V! pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 j) N" I- ~) N
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- [1 g; E7 i7 Z; N1 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! U0 m, K/ z+ O8 q7 r; Q( o  X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ o  K3 I6 a/ T7 G3 r& I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' d6 V0 r! V/ Q* F/ a8 ]" h5 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 q6 S; x! ^2 h1 o( {2 y$ S+ J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
$ E* e  {- |0 S% ^正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, E0 L# t& F2 I) ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- V8 \. j9 J5 v  xWhat a statement we have here?
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: U& o, Y! B3 y0 s! kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 x$ q) N: H& ^$ k# X  ~% HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 M( G5 P! S! m) A9 G) `0 l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# _+ _7 i. Z: M) [5 C, M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 B" b& Y- ]+ y# t+ O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 O# t/ E+ w9 I5 Y9 V"不信也沒損失"
4 K* j. F; d, z% a  A* I' z5 g, N, yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ c1 h9 H# Z1 Y# }9 G; rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& n- o; w7 _6 w/ X5 \1 q: `8 Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 Q0 s/ D' V! G/ h; ~" i+ u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 e3 T# P) @& ^; C2 p/ l" h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; J! M! j" m: C5 A# l: F
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  s; H/ F) [& K' J  b1 S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 O& m. K, [  |' b' X" w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- ~5 u3 {0 X8 [9 X# w2 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. B% n5 Q* s. I! U! o3 E9 k+ P5 {
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# X. P& Z& D1 ~$ k% T* J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 N3 N9 X$ L  i, G  ]1 s8 r4 O6 c6 {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 {5 q) \2 `3 q6 L8 ]+ e$ J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ X2 f  s" j0 J7 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, a9 g+ `7 o# b. C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' I3 l3 F7 ~+ K1 V* M  e& T
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以下是其他人的見解,2 w+ [' K% m$ s2 ~+ a: R8 s! u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' d$ ?, j8 \! U( V  K$ z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* l, q% S. P9 T3 r: q0 k

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 \9 _1 v' Z& U. N6 n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( ?1 `9 d/ B0 U) c+ [  ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ w, [, l6 m/ ?

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