Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- P* j' a+ y# V2 V* |! N9 E) M4 J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ u, f$ I6 B3 ]! j5 ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ p+ O* x- W9 T3 n/ ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 G: a2 y  _# l" K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 Z% K4 {: Q6 [6 j

/ a1 M9 I, S6 a7 S/ G2 y/ YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, J1 E4 u8 l1 k0 L- D7 W. `- }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 m/ {5 r+ U. v/ }我只不過微小的基督徒.................... z5 ^0 \6 x" \
真的!!這不是反話) q" g/ o: g+ w3 v0 ~5 e
因為我是情感比理性強的人* i8 ?& H7 h( ~9 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 M  n" j+ L4 w, Y/ N! ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! g* `/ o; a! q- D, o* T% o0 C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# c1 q! y8 Z( U3 t! J8 ?  o! B1 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ A* q, u( W! m9 O9 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( i8 L& o2 H" F) [7 N

/ x0 R: O3 M) B8 w3 h2 g" J) t' |) O. t! iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 k; K% F. j' J+ b4 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ |" x/ h) A* f+ L"不信也沒損失"
# w1 ?! n% p# T# Q8 V/ m; }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" T$ t9 R) T2 fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( B! t/ B! K( O% s( uit's starting because we have sins......* H7 |" _: a4 V/ P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # e6 x7 y2 A# H7 t$ O% ]) y+ Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* q+ L9 y$ s7 Q( m, v1 W/ {- n只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- y4 i( X. Z; r. l0 W! K. H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 O1 ~9 k- ]# k" t6 Q5 Y4 W9 \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 G' I# I2 [6 }: V7 I# d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 \; J; Z; k  \: a' w$ b3 |3 h2 _9 m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  k& Q; W4 C8 ?% c" I2 j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 `  U0 R/ n* s/ o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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' q1 M" {+ m6 p0 Z  a1 {  Z) V以下是其他人的見解,! k6 O- W0 S' d+ A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! N" M7 v# G: Y. p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 v7 b' z# ]* \3 B  b

! S8 A) a$ K) e" m5 {7 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ q* D$ b  Y# ?( ^6 b8 U) V

7 u' R/ b2 l$ Z9 N+ ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ J$ ?# t8 T8 F$ N( E.............信耶穌... ...

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3 P; G0 }; |' p! z; k& h' P8 X6 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ P) g! M3 w, Q2 |3 I- v& f) ^You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.