Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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# ?/ G. n" y; p+ Y3 g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ g; V! R0 |; L# `# B  T7 a  s道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 \; }6 |$ ~8 |- t4 i3 C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ |( z9 t0 p( n8 N$ P4 U) {8 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: L( \5 W; F* B( cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 p2 E. f3 S* n5 y6 V+ w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 t, J" c8 ?+ \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% c1 g. Z- ?2 \* B- P

$ E; |9 W& a0 p9 f1 C9 ~( q9 ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% U0 Q! e8 H7 R- S3 x4 D& wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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+ ~8 Z1 G0 ^8 t0 V- N$ g[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: F& }( O; h& _* L& a3 d, |( W; W  m" y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& e+ ]8 M8 V) iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 N: }# {, Y; Q) m/ sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. H6 m- p$ w: `! @7 ]2 [* H" xit's starting because we have sins......  V7 ?% ~2 `1 p2 i9 N) e; p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , W2 n, }; t" \" y  k% t* [" D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 H# [$ W" d8 ~4 ^' I) ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  g1 u" F  l1 h
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 h  u* {, b4 x+ s  [; P% ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: i" H' {0 N, u: L7 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 s0 l$ j  X0 i+ r9 Y- g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; ]9 m, M! S# W  q1 |; o; y7 {

' K+ G3 q1 p$ P/ k8 V( b6 j0 J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' m: _& e* x; E. G% s7 D& f# p, r6 @8 i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 w# ]9 P( ?, L$ L% ~: V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 p3 d/ r  s3 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 k9 P' z% \& F: ?  I5 `4 g% [! T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' G3 R! X+ @9 P1 l! _. n& t0 _  q7 z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 v; L9 d% ]( e' [; q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 ?  [6 e, W3 N' ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 }/ w. @1 a' Y2 Z+ N
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' P7 Y) H# @+ G  E) X7 U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 y9 a0 M) |& c: g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) [/ T2 j" @. l5 Y

. E/ H, v! X& G& z; g. h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....3 f6 @: h3 k7 |8 T/ Z" P
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 s8 E# `+ g  i4 [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.