Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; j1 y) X# b4 J" E3 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ K5 I( B1 y- {- E. e7 q8 q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* N! i/ M9 k% a, E( h. o6 n+ }* f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( f8 ~# z8 @# X7 ]% Q% RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ {2 ], {6 @0 X) f% v

# R4 W/ q: b1 H8 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) v* _/ [) M. F' \/ @

+ o' K/ T( f0 j4 {( Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# l4 {$ v# h7 k5 ^% L/ echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 w4 [, w0 x; d) E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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: X* r- a* }# i: g+ i# F9 \因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( O+ r9 y9 ^3 Y  {3 E: d; Z/ Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& O, g- Z* V5 Q2 B2 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* ~3 q# [1 L1 H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 M1 }1 U2 D* u6 ]  g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% r8 q; K: l  X6 X$ E
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 I0 F4 y7 X1 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( o: a+ J! F- }5 p* ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; c- Z  @. U9 n! G( @, e2 W+ t* I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, l4 d9 z6 W& P/ c: g9 \! Y) Fit's starting because we have sins......
2 A# v) G5 S7 Z2 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / n' z# K1 G7 \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 I% U# C7 ?/ t1 I3 l5 I/ N% j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ l- I5 `- j' o) Q7 ]% F" m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* G' v8 b/ w( p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ X7 a- a( D- c! G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 H$ Q. o. n0 K, A# \5 \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( h. c1 k2 g3 o9 Q# Z) H

% L- o) M+ p8 X6 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: K0 f5 C/ X2 E* L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. U* W4 I$ Y) p, }8 R! o8 E$ T) {, M
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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" D4 B5 N( N0 ~. Z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( V2 R: ]' k. L- d

, G% N2 a1 O9 [5 ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! q5 F# }' U, U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: U* _" z+ h9 s  t

# f6 E; U5 k9 O5 z; }以下是其他人的見解,+ v) V" [! W) t: x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  j8 ~* M9 w3 D( _$ o2 o1 L; u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# @# I$ K+ r0 P2 W0 A& ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, ]9 R/ `. |4 A3 i7 N. K" C

+ X- v3 D3 W! E# \, z* p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 \, z; V% z1 L6 k$ n0 L.............信耶穌... ...

+ E+ z7 C4 k; J1 ]Regarding the resurrection....2 O/ P6 N8 E! ]. R4 L1 I. y6 }, K

$ T$ p! A% n+ c# {; c# E, }& WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.