Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, C; D( K# D# l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 H% ], d1 n2 Q/ ]0 ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! ^/ D5 Y6 L/ A+ A9 Z$ r6 n5 i# m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 z, G* k8 Q. u, g  Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 E3 F- m) V" q: J  g- ?/ A2 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 R+ q/ a# P/ K6 y% G真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 {4 w$ n2 X: y8 {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 q$ x- v2 e7 D2 `  a4 ^- {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) M0 A! Z) A9 }) p0 C4 M& @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ A. H! {/ [$ sWhat a statement we have here?
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1 V$ ?) E# v6 F: b7 @; ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ |  `' Z$ I* V0 b6 m+ ~* H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ N" X" u5 C2 U+ w" u; M6 [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 p; g, i6 R- c' K8 f- o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, T/ @* C6 k9 q  \5 o1 v"不信也沒損失"
% \1 \, Y2 Q, a" J  ]1 f# zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ W* P- ]) H( \* l: e1 b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 S6 H* p# K' k4 B) S; y; |7 a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 _+ T5 c, n/ _0 F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# x. s% K# p0 m9 q* R) }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% W8 p% q) U1 V+ [  k. b1 e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 h* Q; U8 f" [: l' U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 }  w- c" t% {" h9 d: c  \
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; W! e# V& T8 }1 }$ l# K( k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 Q3 m4 F& `" n. M. p1 D3 e# D8 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 G* D, ]/ R$ P1 H. y4 x  U( r. x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* S: L4 K. J) C! M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: c1 v" R' g5 G
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 y% b3 w% Q/ v% h. Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 o, g* r0 {4 h' }

! L1 |1 V6 ~2 f- S以下是其他人的見解,
& o5 }* S. q4 @2 G7 w+ c' _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 C3 `7 l/ N6 E5 _7 H2 Q/ r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( y. L$ [. D, F, }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 D8 `- P- S' w% P, @# E2 l

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 G0 \2 d4 w$ P; L% b# I
.............信耶穌... ...

+ p& B- X# H6 v! KRegarding the resurrection....
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4 g; r- z6 h: D0 k/ T) p0 l) XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ J3 p- L4 x: V7 lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.