Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. {- {% a, d+ u* z* f  x  m7 t$ Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' S9 L( t! x1 g2 p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! ?1 m! Z0 p0 W9 G+ r
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, g& E! S: s% O1 M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 X& z. t6 b7 a/ f! y

+ p2 B9 j! y: P; l! [" PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 \/ j6 ~+ `1 O& H$ |( Q3 L7 mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 q- h& [( |& v3 p  R" e$ K! t7 T! i
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ T- X$ V$ c6 ^8 r- t4 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% B* M6 e* H' j2 [$ J( c, K7 }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% ~9 g+ x1 t0 S1 Y3 w
真的!!這不是反話
/ Y( R1 d* R- N/ }3 T因為我是情感比理性強的人+ a) L) W) _" z# l4 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# I2 ^$ Q) u6 u, H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 i: E3 C: N1 N  R" }$ X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( b* K0 g# P" x; \" P0 `& O, R. U4 M1 Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 ^" K) l' B/ m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- |/ Y9 r1 r! D7 G3 e5 R# _& n- e2 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % `5 K) t( ?% L, F8 L& Y

+ T: Q1 a( D) cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 P) e# G# S! ~7 Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ ?  X- l0 J0 |0 n
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 I3 v% L: |( l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 X& x; ^$ S- K- n' z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 y7 Q+ Q% Y1 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- C/ \# P+ s7 C9 ?7 R7 |) o3 E
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it's starting because we have sins......
, R$ I6 V5 m8 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + r+ R" _% N, A6 _/ {9 L( o' ]# e4 G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  P, q5 l/ ]4 A5 R- z) g1 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  p9 j. ?  y  [) g. j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 n/ d- F+ R+ `& M. d, _5 h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ {8 f" t/ o9 U% T( Z6 W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 I/ m+ T& q, d9 s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 z# d% X8 l/ ^/ f* [* \" x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' c0 N( O0 v7 X$ ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 k  {4 L' _1 C% X$ a8 ~9 @# c: P% ^9 A+ z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. e* @# h5 l/ o+ j( ~- u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- V. Z& m; P8 k6 B8 l& t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, _5 g* V, \' u- k! C/ _1 B2 Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 Y5 j$ W% R+ i8 ]
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以下是其他人的見解,* [1 u+ S! i9 j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 w. X4 D2 l6 d: S( `

- A5 d5 A! A0 E# e/ @) L( y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 u& {6 m% L* @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) a) ~) S# J- K) j$ x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 R* g( E& m! Q# r3 O/ r.............信耶穌... ...

5 K" B& n& c$ g6 c; E# lRegarding the resurrection...." _# a4 A/ L9 ]# s) ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! |" R* n" r7 A: u

0 K% H5 P( @1 M0 M# bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.