Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 h- A8 @3 y7 n* S: t: f  R* @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 Y, z* c1 g* }6 D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 u. M  l( R$ {/ \' d% z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% B! ~; a' K" V# o1 A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! q) u# r3 s: K, n4 L/ g1 p3 A# ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 f6 y4 F% c$ g' Z+ a
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 Z* K9 p2 h; l9 i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, p: F# t8 `+ c. j& K我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 R  D' n! t& E, o
真的!!這不是反話
5 w3 k8 g3 `2 Q) |- B3 U; Q: S因為我是情感比理性強的人8 C% j& |! |' q5 D2 b. H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 r  I* ]) ?1 n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# \) ]( X- I/ m( `; s( }% |& k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 c: R( v9 V, a  r  ?2 V9 U" K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 x5 [* M, K4 d3 p8 O# n9 mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 J2 e; k; V; o% }" @. g  ~' v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 \5 n. H+ e- a- C6 O
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 |' V! b9 t% q' ^2 e' _& ~) d; _) M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 a" _9 \, Z3 W9 G  MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 ]; a. d; _: y3 `& q6 w2 l+ s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ S4 R/ j. X- U7 i

# @, C: O& y0 ^it's starting because we have sins......( \. G: F- z$ h  G' T- I) f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 W- {- Q# }, r- h: b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": o% }2 C# N& D3 V) }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 v$ H* \. Y: _! o4 G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 V. h% D! _8 R: c! u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& t' }+ z7 Y/ W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; g) z( s& a2 h! A# w) C9 _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: l+ Z" l; G  d+ k: j# B! l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' _9 V% \. K3 A( K* N& Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' Y' g, e: S4 T$ |1 y* Z% L

: E1 a% ?  D# ?4 |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 w: E$ C2 G" _4 [改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* T4 E* z. L/ K' U3 S" |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: m5 j4 ?, w( R  W吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- R  P- Y* C: F& p% S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; d1 h6 E2 L: S9 N, f' p( H  T以下是其他人的見解,
  C1 B) }6 I1 [5 w1 ~0 j: ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. {( m  i% q9 V
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) e3 B/ V& J+ |% _: R$ G0 m: [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 @( P7 s# ~. y# A/ X9 m

( `' x! X' c2 U7 j/ p* Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 u1 `- t/ \, e! _) q$ ]3 _9 ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* L, D' V# h& O! M" t! g' n8 m+ \* }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 }) ~' ~' x$ v4 r7 J; o+ m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  p1 h( S- Z$ r1 [# o9 D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! D$ i! X5 p" i, I/ VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.