Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 Z9 {9 O+ h3 S/ M' k我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 s4 ^" _: d1 N3 ?! {3 b7 g# E+ l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 U% x" y, R0 `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ F; V5 S0 F% v7 A2 q# ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 Q7 N' E! H; [* \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& A; @+ \' I# \8 ]3 U$ h3 d2 u! Q4 A

: K; K3 W0 x6 ?9 bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' j' g' L# i. q

$ s8 d: j: O  T2 }  n, K3 B7 A* Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 w: J# U, A9 Y+ D. w7 N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! w: L7 B$ E: g" L: ~$ g我只不過微小的基督徒...................; @* a" H, p/ V4 T
真的!!這不是反話2 @% A! n5 |$ O: k, `; E
因為我是情感比理性強的人* n) \( k9 s. V+ p' y2 y% \8 i
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 Q  n  m- q  T) `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 k/ [2 V& @* Y: G) @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# Y0 E' \: y4 X* o$ M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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8 j, X9 L% `; n9 b0 z1 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 a& t$ p4 K# R  D3 n5 P- y& X7 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" {8 X! D! V/ m3 B3 V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 ^. Z& Z0 o* V3 T1 r7 C% m"不信也沒損失"
" o3 U$ B4 k8 AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. U7 f9 |7 E* sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....../ |) [2 T, j, ^* X) s- V+ z. K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 m4 }! S# j- a+ h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 r2 h( B4 l4 l3 s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ j4 Q0 k3 f; R% n* ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ K) a# A* p) `3 q, Y& p- h" \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* u, {$ U& I/ S$ v$ r* r- h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& |: u" q& R: e* S- b* e* k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! d4 p7 P$ N: _, M

$ a0 u; ^6 O- j  r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# i, c. V' R, f& h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ D# b& h8 q: G) W8 o% m' R. K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( @: ]# s0 X1 _" D  i$ N3 h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 c0 ]% H, |7 A. N/ K& Q4 ~# N
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! O- \& Z7 O2 j* r! Z! [& P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; Y6 y5 B  k6 }5 e/ o: a1 H
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以下是其他人的見解,! h8 l( i: e, {* P- ]1 Q% Z/ Q7 V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# W9 M: r. ?' x2 P8 Z  P) }  m' y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 n* j' @' b) \8 X1 \/ I1 Q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ S, v3 c- x0 L" D. j7 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 j! i: L) [# a& O0 q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.