Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% f# h0 O: H6 a' ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 P2 |9 G3 |: }& u. o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% b; L9 Z( ~9 a& ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 F1 ]$ e2 i8 d7 U, i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. X0 T! I1 r7 a$ c9 _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& ~6 h7 A7 H- K3 U% [, j3 O
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 I3 m$ D: @  @' Q* `

1 U7 i4 \8 Q! i9 Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ i" U6 M/ i0 ?$ I; ^5 jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: x7 J: @5 ^8 F, o9 zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- N4 d) N& ?  r. w6 J* {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: U+ l. |  U. C2 J' l: x0 b: E
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 W* D4 q4 _& `  s( P4 R% R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ J8 T' V- V% t; g' o+ W7 `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& {& e, W+ S- Q, q  u, CWhat a statement we have here?# e; C0 m3 I$ P0 k. L  L

& A9 w5 K  V. l- |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) H3 x1 o( a7 |% z* FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! ~3 D7 f) u9 C
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' u: G; y0 Y. L- `# T
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 F. s1 [8 V& U8 j+ B- h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  O6 [% M. u) N$ E: A! ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! }) M/ @4 {6 [
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 U& d/ F( m" N  ?  A, jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 U! E, {, a: M0 {" j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 |' b6 _# ^; Z9 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 d; E$ p( Q6 {3 ^+ X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 y/ H# c1 a! w% e! t! e% `9 ~9 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 |4 U; }. Z5 h2 N/ @4 O1 l% l
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% Q( M; z7 M* S好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 C: o' }& x( u- n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 }6 I2 {! _6 \* B5 b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., ?$ j% C7 c: ?- A: I

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# k- a! {8 J: ]" `5 }( Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 J0 I8 w; ~& }0 y* k' U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ q0 Y' b3 `7 v, s6 b  y; }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) U' I: E/ k" f+ p4 ^( O9 l
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: o4 [. g- t, e, ]9 g' o3 ~( f

$ u' Y1 }3 s& q: o. A( _* ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 M6 e* \& A! H' U1 y0 y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% n, J8 B/ s' [  Y% _0 Q3 S  f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 ]/ }* s/ c8 k.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 T% Z' I8 _0 e: B/ Y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.