Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 U  Q& ^( E# o3 E/ v- p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ Q2 j/ p7 v: M5 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 l: u# o8 \" _  E; qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 b0 Z; [) a; B; }

) m) a6 g3 U' c* e7 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( l; ?# `' T* V9 W" Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% T' {$ Z. [% ^' i* k3 Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ @  j1 X- j8 D7 m. e' G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 d0 v( x; T4 w2 q/ }# U' n5 G我只不過微小的基督徒...................& c. S7 X; n1 r. e) |7 g# _
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 G/ a4 A- x$ P5 U8 O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; Y  B2 M% t- |+ e) E8 G" `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ w+ E. O  l% p8 a2 T* f6 ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 ?: y% U" G4 F+ V8 c' BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 s9 N0 y8 U, d$ [3 v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 D" L9 e8 b$ F& Z"不信也沒損失"7 v3 L8 Y# I+ W* Z1 K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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2 k4 R; v8 @3 q% i6 \6 w+ Tit's starting because we have sins......
" C! X5 [5 I- i4 O8 {8 Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ x6 ^+ Z7 U! V: Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- F3 w1 c6 }4 W! z( Q, k9 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: N' V0 `" T% N% u# g/ r8 N, L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ Q* _8 }% W* m! k& p# b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 s& ?0 k' G4 Z1 z0 Z7 Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 P8 ?$ E. `1 i+ {  e1 [3 w+ ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ |$ o+ B- _3 U: Z. d6 j

( ?2 O; C" j2 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; w2 x, K0 V# B! R/ V# j& D; \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 H6 A4 o- r- _( B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 m6 R( B5 o( {% |3 L  L宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) h9 k, }" \. o* |/ T3 `* q" g
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 Y. r( H0 N, q( t! ?0 G5 T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% o- l0 s  R0 _: S2 d4 H  B
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ M; s7 Z, q' d, A7 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" X" A' E- B" z5 B% f: X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 ~* N0 y' t/ H2 o( ]* {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& d* y) p0 r0 Q6 L; X5 J1 p9 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 M) }5 X6 [/ U% J1 r8 e
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ I' S  P) V4 V1 O, p9 c

& ~  V) v- m: B6 [# f- @8 hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.