Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& A6 T% \  J; {( l3 y( U% l+ @  M9 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) @( f9 ?) w  D" v3 h% D" ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. @# \3 L$ P' r3 @" V* A. vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 {" ~0 n1 |8 L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., ~: K4 `& W( n7 D! ^1 n2 v. a/ S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 A" ~# e( _+ S. s7 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% d6 i# |! V9 F- g, }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% D0 ]: e0 v! P8 m4 s; K4 H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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2 z+ v4 t: u( s- ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. M; M# J6 o; S4 r/ Q' b! m+ i8 s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( H8 {4 {, t8 G+ d8 G$ [8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* n' J& h0 S, h* _+ h3 Q& ^"不信也沒損失": H( f* {, f  ]+ M# ]) Q1 x# X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ R, t) [# Y  Y3 x+ I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ J+ u: n6 t% Z: b, G

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 `# |" v2 l* h% F/ N1 B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& p% ~2 m- R& c4 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# k( b1 y$ ?, X  X2 s: o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) `' E- _* p+ I8 V4 u9 _) e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 b3 I  g6 F& I! K( c
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: u1 ]# O- r6 S2 M0 e2 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ }2 q) X: O; J4 p  p% x2 c3 h

! W3 w+ K8 J) }9 M  y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 X; N; \5 J5 c  ^' B% _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 Z. |3 W9 M/ e* V8 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 V3 {9 ^- n0 K& E" N' E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 D" W! g8 d- K7 b6 I6 t+ a! u
.............信耶穌... ...

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' v; h2 ^  F, l# z& f3 YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 X1 ]8 G. _& K! UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.