Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. h7 p- q, `* `. Y4 Z! _" r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 w( e* t8 O/ M( Y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; P9 M; L  c' P& b3 _. y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 h9 f; v3 I. L$ H2 r+ P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 A+ e- o+ @- D# \4 c, d4 _8 fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' p) _6 S( K2 I

, {! O. ]3 f+ T1 o" g5 m) C6 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ z! S5 p3 Y# @- |% n# S# D2 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  t* {9 ]9 q3 k5 d& K

; o0 Y) w3 _. n% k" j/ u7 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% g! J" m+ ]! m# ?- J我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# S# H! P+ S; D5 l因為我是情感比理性強的人+ x& t# r1 P2 U2 {9 U+ B4 y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 j4 o  ~( A. f) h% L# q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 {) u* z8 S7 d8 z" |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?1 \/ |( _2 \5 U: f5 B2 `
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& S  _: t5 W. q, C0 m" ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  _/ r$ Z9 ~$ e9 X* C

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; G) s- M1 L. i2 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) ~# N  n3 E1 C3 z* }, s# i"不信也沒損失"
6 ^  K, z2 A  k, \7 k8 ?& F8 l  X3 ^, xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: e4 ^8 p+ V  l5 E- R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# w8 O& b2 M5 \: y. ?5 u
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it's starting because we have sins......- U5 y8 x6 T' l3 F  R1 m0 m- ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  k) e! V  G2 S0 E, kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ a5 J* Z3 _0 M8 |只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- L1 `+ j3 V3 Q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! p! ^2 u! g. p+ |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 U7 t$ h& C0 Z$ S2 M" f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 c5 Q" T/ G. S& Z5 b+ w, t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! U. j  m0 w8 y' A% N2 m  y

8 U6 @* E" e% I9 {/ ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) l* F9 o5 ~4 i" `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 ]- G) t2 |) ~! z# C5 x1 D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- Y* }) {3 ^7 Q& D$ z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* n4 k( @3 F& p: l% B0 d

; J/ `6 f9 E* u6 |# v8 n! V) W以下是其他人的見解,8 b% y- ~: n2 v/ m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. ]' U" k. x& R" ^3 M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" H6 v' F3 ?5 w4 \8 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# o4 P) V; T: j2 M; C
.............信耶穌... ...

; H: l) W/ v9 B: rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... ~% t/ W& {- [: F

% h9 U$ V# _) [% {8 yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.