Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 ^5 d: B, y, Q9 |# x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. D0 K$ \# L- I. T* J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 u) f3 ?  z/ f) D道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 Y0 l2 d' ~3 `# @$ r) ^/ j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' J. |1 ^# _+ d$ s9 ~6 kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: I% e  p. A2 e+ Q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 y- L- n2 R5 [! t9 i; X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 I- A' e. q0 H7 U
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 v- a& e& W4 d8 J$ H% t- ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 I6 E8 y5 K4 L# e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , g: w! t# g4 ]" P- U

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 K, ^7 f0 o7 r8 B2 w. L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 N6 h. x( u- k( k. d"不信也沒損失"
1 p& g1 A4 R3 f5 s1 Q8 X  Z; GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% p4 D+ |* Z/ m0 J2 n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 Z7 X; H' L) I  q& M
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 V. p! o/ X- V) s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% j7 o4 Z3 H5 a0 h; W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- O, O8 ?: ?7 k% d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 r6 r4 v" H+ }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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& X0 {: p3 g" _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," ]* }! \0 ~5 ~3 H' S. J# ~* D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) r! S; P3 B% d9 }$ s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 w' _0 [7 t& w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. B$ `$ c6 X+ X1 w

! _6 B' P6 l' @! n+ h! F  C( q4 |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ `0 M; k  e4 g& ^' c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% r. Y* ^. L0 E; v" B% [* [5 r( R* C7 ?

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* _# u9 }0 O4 B8 A.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 R) |: F  `' C9 _, I+ r/ G( ^9 h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 q% Y0 j; {" h$ E7 i6 NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.