Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 Z8 M# x# O1 T" _. M4 d# R* D) k5 j8 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- t& Y# m  m* b% X$ e/ b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ Y. ~# p4 Z+ l6 |9 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* Q2 Y0 G4 [- |" ^. \. Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! \0 P$ L2 h# i+ @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 k: ~" ^0 m* f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' o, M; h1 p" {2 I2 ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 z& ~/ X3 p; h* D% [5 l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ O& f1 `/ q# g- V4 e3 a$ c6 m3 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) R' P5 ?; x/ ^6 R; P# A8 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 G2 ?% ?/ L/ z  k' H4 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失") h; B7 g% T& k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- j4 M' M9 ^1 D: J! R9 Y! c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- f! x) ^  ^0 ]9 e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# V- r8 x- w% M6 e- O7 P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ b) H: k+ ]6 {2 D$ R9 S$ o7 e' c
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- O, M7 C6 }: @3 r( T2 N1 ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, D( M, _1 q& ], A  U' p5 L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& p4 M6 W  T. e. k/ w- G- F: c9 I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, a! F" K9 i, A) t1 d

- b7 U' n% |; I, f8 D* L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 D! d, J: F; E

7 u" f# k6 `. s  w7 E3 e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 D$ A0 E8 g* w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 Y3 i( l* P: I4 F7 f* [

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.