Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 G& x4 s0 o7 _7 U! X1 z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到% g* `3 E6 ?2 ]5 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  l3 h6 D8 D. c* J. ?$ i- q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 T$ F0 }- w% K" i- ~5 F5 C$ vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ _- D3 w9 N* e8 O: b

: b0 m; z/ h5 N. {' \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& o$ e( p* [5 Y4 D! s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 h9 t) T8 i) e9 l6 `1 l  u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; E/ Y/ y& @$ r) s4 K) [" g' C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( M+ ^) O  H8 m! m. A# c/ P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 ]" z  }/ w# d6 y) @: o! z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 e) {1 D% j! _0 w3 W6 ~: C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 ]8 h3 J" ~0 \7 B9 S4 [* Q# jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& y9 d# B  Q6 B$ F; |

" K& ?# f2 C+ YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 L6 F: I" W# x* \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 }4 i9 V' O3 P; r1 Q) [0 S"不信也沒損失"
; J# I  q9 D; Q* z9 q( NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ `' Q, \+ W# o, C  ?6 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# Z- X  Q* ?2 l! b% c: c, r# ~$ lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 @1 I! m5 c- |- u- [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. Z% i( y' y& O) H' F0 U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  [" e4 U; W  M; N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: c, S% F( k% U2 Q+ a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 n. y1 I" z# _# H: F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ J: N7 |2 u: ^9 R) f
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& M) C9 @5 M/ J# \; @4 R2 c9 A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," z# b" }; o; @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" N+ _0 P& q$ S
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 ~* S6 {6 X  U, ?9 K9 }/ p

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- G- p! G5 \7 K4 @% _6 ^3 c+ ~3 @, M: o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" T. {# L$ J8 ?- d4 \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, P/ D1 U0 ^- N3 [2 L. L# ^, a( d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 F9 y3 Q' O& N' [5 P, e' z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 c3 A3 o0 n* b.............信耶穌... ...

6 R9 d9 ]( v9 h0 ?  jRegarding the resurrection....
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7 {: Z; F$ v+ B- WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.