Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 }7 M9 J2 R# H% K2 Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 K/ b8 a$ W4 L' H" y$ N9 K) I  k
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ D! u* _) e  J, m  f' v道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% p( C2 j" `, d3 f呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 b2 q* r5 ?3 ^% q

9 s8 I* W6 c" s) o, C( Q! mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 R  Y& X/ u# X- _" c

- B8 v# {0 s1 E2 _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 \  [. A& o9 t9 j- [9 Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ n" s7 q# C& p6 k* [5 N0 h' ?. t' q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ C& y# k* X9 d
真的!!這不是反話+ J7 n6 f8 o4 X
因為我是情感比理性強的人; z# `% m6 y2 @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 S: }3 Y0 \( E% F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- l, j) |3 i% y! }' `& B. S, E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." c7 R" r! G" J2 }8 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ V7 K% L( r1 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) c' }: u+ q" ^7 r- eWhat a statement we have here?
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2 \6 `5 Z% L/ d! p- ?' \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  a$ F6 V. U! p7 {- r. p2 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 S. q- C0 a) B0 E; v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") a8 O3 ]1 g9 V: |$ R% P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( T4 C: Y; K- i" I; c5 Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  u. _) G0 w3 p2 o  L

4 _( h# s6 r$ n& k) A! fit's starting because we have sins......$ O. d/ C( c" z# u0 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( X, S3 r. }- f% D6 ~+ q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 \( R7 l+ ~" d6 j8 L, U% G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# W, e, ^: y1 n( s' M5 v
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 ^0 Z* X' W8 N0 z0 b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: ^% K. x& c' z8 `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( |8 R/ _, n# Z- B: t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 k& H0 ?$ E# Z" H5 n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Z$ p/ w( [- ^" L+ r8 h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- U1 b" U/ T) S- u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; P' s4 r( }5 e& u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ v( G. X' S& `. P2 \, l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& y* s; g) E3 `' E+ i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& B- V2 O& t/ y

6 y; H' A4 [& u& D; |/ g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" F/ F' x0 J6 _: B3 {) s" I信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; S5 h- k: b' H3 H, S7 ?6 w

7 ^' ^5 I; E4 e/ m& {! m以下是其他人的見解,1 K7 ^5 E& N' H' ?! A9 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, v9 r4 z8 ?, C& O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ e  _+ c( L) S3 K0 `7 Q( e  h& M

5 R. D# `' i6 E7 B& m' g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# z0 S! w& b6 r' b
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 _: X- J# y$ u* E. X% L3 T7 ^
.............信耶穌... ...

7 A$ D! b$ C/ Y) p9 u/ ^Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; S4 e$ ?- ^! t( k$ A

$ F$ H! |0 G) @9 s( Z# `; a2 K9 h  {2 ~7 y% LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.