Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ N6 O5 [" c, l$ a9 a  W! s' X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 d! }# B/ f9 ^+ a; t5 W2 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ W/ I* |% H1 e3 v& t: `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' _+ g2 G3 A& x- t$ N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 [- w. S/ o7 I8 ^1 c4 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) x3 z9 {; T, J. w# t' ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 T! j+ v/ x, F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; ~9 E! I) w& A+ j# r3 `0 D0 k
真的!!這不是反話' `3 p% w* D+ U5 u+ v- \
因為我是情感比理性強的人; }6 e+ |( Z8 s3 U" U5 T$ g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 N0 @5 P2 ^5 b' I& u' S  a& o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, d. B9 ]: C4 o, d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. D5 q$ e! D2 \: h: `# Y! C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" s8 H$ z% i9 Y# NWhat a statement we have here?, T3 k0 }2 j- ?/ P

( K1 c5 Z: q# XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 r, C1 x  S  I# |+ h; y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' x8 g+ W) Z' uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 V/ H, `* F6 B; h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 s- ~9 v$ A1 \( f4 M6 x3 A"不信也沒損失"
8 z$ {: h6 |3 X  B0 V3 ?$ _0 b3 t- xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 f2 z9 u; p& Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ \5 W1 b" c% N- V; j. e
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 t4 l4 F0 c4 w' C0 a  M; r. c( C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 I8 i2 v# v' @7 v, P; K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! y$ J) n( l4 p( z& R2 t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; D0 h+ L5 q: [% `( N. X1 X! D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 a' s0 ?4 R/ j1 v$ d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* Y: N* _+ l' m) Z) _/ z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 z; ^# g- Y& I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 [  s2 V2 k; F7 i

) D( o3 R. r! y5 b" W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% }; |' R1 L1 U# K& c4 h
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ U+ g& p  X& g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, h- {* ]: A* e4 R宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 l8 T/ o0 n( `' P8 m$ F
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 S# T/ ~6 M8 q/ A3 H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 p! w2 X1 g) f, ]6 o+ s) m' P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 }9 c" x  s( r7 O! {* K. U
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 ?7 ^) D& e" Z, @5 D$ A, S

/ d+ i5 H0 j6 R/ o) l; P& a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* a/ z! u% ?+ A; Q' b0 b2 ~! w: V1 d
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 f( X! R! `8 I4 K) E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 t( y! m2 b9 d& K3 d, q. p.............信耶穌... ...

" X! f6 k" E# s. x- E2 yRegarding the resurrection....
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% m' {5 E1 q# v  d, }$ Y- }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* \1 x+ A( e& X* _

; Y  ]! Y. @7 [8 eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.