Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; K2 v/ M( Q- k0 F8 m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. i+ g6 p, I7 U5 W8 I又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, q  q$ a, A9 q4 |道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 c1 ~9 \* \9 G) h6 m; p0 r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% X, ?( P4 b  E! c5 \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 i8 P  r% l5 V/ `2 G  g2 r8 v

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: a& g  M" V+ l/ gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& ^* a" c% s, U# z7 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 P/ t) c, g; u; E. H8 Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 }2 q( G! @6 ]7 D* Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& a; y  ]$ p1 q) V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 U! S0 f3 s% p9 fWhat a statement we have here?
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% G! X: l3 i. L7 v0 [/ vJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, H9 z0 w" Z( Z# G' GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' n) i. y& B2 l( N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- \& o* V* U% v# z9 V
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. [0 O& u: l1 s, q" ~( p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") s/ t0 I2 {& Q; m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  L' X1 a' s% y3 @7 a) N0 s" S) t% @, Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 A; A# q- ]6 q5 @$ x# D9 \

2 A2 p* s6 {  Zit's starting because we have sins......: O7 d1 K  R" W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & Z8 R; X5 W- b( E; ]. W# i/ H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 \' g5 e! R, [. ?/ o2 l% f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ q, Q' w. |% j1 ^; @$ b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' L' E8 V+ d# m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 t6 ~" D' H1 L# a+ |

/ e4 n9 o/ T& s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. Q) b/ v% o; |1 i( D. ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 n- c  z' H' h! a! L8 b8 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& [7 h% X' _+ e1 u) ]  R* L( ]! ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- P* `) F1 J: W" D6 b% c: g1 Q! r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& h/ d2 m3 a% }1 g+ Q% ]
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& ^# D) n# e" b+ D& ~( q6 J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" M2 p& \' V8 G7 L& L' x( ?

; {% u1 D; d! ^+ Y4 x+ f& u2 Z以下是其他人的見解,1 K/ a$ c/ f' v6 M' j- K* q- A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  ?2 w6 K* n* _0 N6 Z4 v" ^: @/ ]

, y* z8 W! L5 c4 X# h) L5 \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 {7 k8 c6 j9 N2 V, t$ O* y; P

4 M4 W, P. `1 e# ^  ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 i3 S$ i7 v  P0 e, Y$ F9 o
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 c! V# x& j" n# `8 K4 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....# u$ M. K& H* j, a0 R2 S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 \2 t% @- c3 n4 e
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.