Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' Q( k/ F0 g2 l# s+ \' s! c# T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 C8 e( H" C9 i! Y9 @# ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. U: u* k/ n, o道理我知道好多只係做吳到* {4 w3 z3 y" K) x" q# o* k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ F' s; [- z7 @6 {3 Q3 ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." W* u" _& X$ N8 s

1 X; @4 v1 C0 w" ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; t& ?% d5 Y/ q. ~: r. [: m& ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( R; S- {, I0 p$ Q) b0 }  K1 w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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1 p- |8 w6 F% X1 r# F因為我是情感比理性強的人; p( a0 s# m' m/ C0 C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ v0 n# F! o6 w/ Z4 k- v4 x4 b8 g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 p: a  l6 V2 A1 b! f& {5 p' w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 G; a. f0 |9 h9 E" I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# u6 i. J* r+ ^. ~. zWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * o1 p6 i* @; h- Z3 W& W1 b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 y0 b4 T0 f, {8 SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! m0 e. Q# H1 o' ~/ V
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ F4 t8 l5 Y/ f( f/ l$ m  B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 M. r% M- ^- c/ S' k: l4 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 B/ n) I7 F  I6 @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 U$ ~' b" v7 I6 R$ E" W! m: V

  L1 t- W' F0 |8 h  O8 nit's starting because we have sins......; C; o2 Y( N/ S" K4 }( L; x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. s& Q6 C! y) \5 R只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 a! u6 R  ^+ F- o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 ~0 x; P* o6 D" l  m, ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, H' `% V/ ?( k. v0 ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. h+ F) `+ L6 n6 v" P- D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! P- g$ }# B6 ]- i" x4 H! a% N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 b( X. R  k0 ?; E. K/ N
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 c  g# G1 e/ n7 y2 x# x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( Q: I6 H1 e9 t* s2 y) B以下是其他人的見解,- ^) `9 D; P% W; g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' v# V% ~7 m6 T) x/ R/ m

* M& O* R' ~3 n4 p3 ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, n# r% L# |; t  @' B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* ?+ l0 F$ m4 U9 v* Y6 ]
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 c( Y/ G' P# _" \6 W  p
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 ?' O' a0 {' x5 w( {.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.