Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" m8 M$ d& q3 g; S6 `我係一個連自己都吳信的人# ^. `/ k& m2 c  c5 ^' s# ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 a; F! U6 Y9 |4 \- K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- C2 s) G* x# @$ q/ L/ h3 B& U呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 t' @4 f: I: Q+ ?: XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  m+ K1 j+ K; y# q

/ I6 C; O- b& t9 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 b- I' H6 D* c5 ?( smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 l3 M8 ~& F' S1 X! a$ zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 f: f- Z# {" t: x$ g) F/ j7 w我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ t- n! A1 J" a& T) h$ h: m
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ Z) o# h2 U* [% {2 y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 l% f; s# v0 l8 h! o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. c$ S. @; I; r2 _: Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 c8 \" K5 v: p' g# m  F* E1 ]

& h% K+ T6 L" GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 }- G6 b+ J7 G1 p. h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 ~' l: U( P/ r. h

% h$ B+ d- f; A/ I7 R, B& N" _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 H! y- {. s: t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) B% m; A4 s5 y9 \8 k" ~5 _7 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ P6 l1 r3 X# ?- r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......" _& K1 A: J4 g' |. D$ q, E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ {2 A5 F# a: z9 D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 J: d7 Z. L7 ^5 R/ u- z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. r& A7 d3 C5 y; u9 e& H6 L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ E; I2 J4 U- U/ r5 m8 K

3 M( O3 g( G) k6 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 C4 p1 {! A/ P' W" ?" }. u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 R1 o! N4 Y+ u+ o) A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 A4 X0 {' \: a# |9 v9 N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' X1 l! @( M6 r( H( c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' z6 k9 k0 y" p

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. |% i9 R$ ^! S$ \5 _0 A  \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# B9 p. D- O; r' [: Y7 G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 |8 H0 {$ R+ e
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以下是其他人的見解,& ?9 X$ {' G" N9 {2 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ \1 i/ z: w' T3 g1 m9 x; F8 W
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( T" V: t6 t: \7 g0 X# B+ d7 t

2 O0 T+ U6 D& A" c0 v; O. a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( O# @" o- L, q' [% r4 J/ \4 ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" O0 A  ?$ f( S
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. Z, B9 |" ?9 K! y7 R# r% C.............信耶穌... ...

+ T# U& l! ~+ c* |Regarding the resurrection...., l4 ?8 ^/ X# ~: S, m0 B

* n6 R* Q' Z: k& e: F! w* hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 r5 M6 J: m( O$ @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.