Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* M: i9 N  a5 q8 I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; F5 v5 R$ T9 _6 |0 H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ h# i( f, a# b( [: M" n道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 V3 a/ C* j1 r6 u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- a' W" E# {/ Q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 R7 P8 x5 }' `/ q2 Z; X1 c+ E4 L0 u: ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: n" q& r- n1 K& i
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 p% H9 R& c- u2 X. n' g! S$ i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 J8 ^/ \$ ]5 n) F: M0 e9 g真的!!這不是反話
1 B8 ~# f/ ~; X* L' V# A8 s因為我是情感比理性強的人
% q$ Y. G5 j! \. u& C+ g: W2 X% j所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: ^# |) ]2 l5 u4 m: O. ^! Y: F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; E" ?) ~3 b4 L$ U7 Q- ?) G+ Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- N" h* g4 S2 m$ L, u5 A2 s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: S+ j9 g4 l) n$ |# X- T  X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ b0 u4 A# w& j* \6 X" D5 z8 S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # ?8 P- O6 O' Z, F& h

' t, z$ H  D, t; L& H+ iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 s' C/ ~! d& N7 r5 p# @

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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0 H; {, o; u$ |1 v0 U"不信也沒損失"" D" x. [5 R& ^8 n0 R: M# S* m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' z  _0 b+ {+ G8 O4 w, w, H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; U' K' A* C; l) n! `  C

/ v1 s- ]4 ^3 I; S7 iit's starting because we have sins......: O* y" Z2 D8 u7 ^: y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 s5 z- O# x( _! _& h/ z( W( P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 V4 J! A% p0 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: e7 D0 y* ~& ~) N  a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. I& {: Q, A3 U/ J* W: z- F0 q0 q* `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* B" e! k; P: F( C& s# k! f6 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. A' s+ }5 ?9 x' @- w, }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 q- w# V& e! D/ o) _+ \6 k1 C6 Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ F1 ~5 M! _$ r7 V, @) D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 C, `1 o  n5 }; b8 {+ y- ]& ^

" H2 [+ s* o8 P9 R" A4 I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. h9 M% @. v0 s+ b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, ]1 v& ]7 \- L6 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  r' |2 w- \* f% g5 f0 k! l/ v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解," ^+ T! Z9 @0 e% r- g6 u; a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 A% `  X. |: ^. R% p4 J. r5 @" q; d3 J
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! e- n* ?' q9 N/ O. I: M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 e8 d- C4 S7 n4 V6 \$ D/ M* U# K

0 O# v% m0 j* e7 s& V; w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 R" Q1 u3 K- @6 Q: w
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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: z1 s% e( L0 A0 u- x/ u" yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.