Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- s6 }! k5 o  w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' Q, }+ o' k* g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 f" z. ^" r; g: K4 v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: n; g: F$ O$ L1 {( u, [' n  @: a' T6 a

6 y) D$ d9 p& g/ P3 estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ [+ \% e3 s% T5 Q$ lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 Z2 E6 q% |* g6 }( q/ k2 o$ I我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 X# Z6 t9 A9 Z  s. Y- \
真的!!這不是反話$ C% u. I+ `) g$ l* C
因為我是情感比理性強的人! \) ~# ]8 n/ Y5 A* U' z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# N) }' O2 F9 X7 T5 o) t+ P. s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. R3 |, g6 Z2 X6 O9 i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ F! c& _8 n+ |# X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 `2 F/ a) \7 B0 v5 @* [  \% D* q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 J* p. Y3 Q0 C2 ?What a statement we have here?
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  R) {9 e: L6 ]8 x' AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + v, Z' g, a& C8 |

) F# F" G5 v& P- K: bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 ~6 a! I) X; g, X# S. k% k" w" c

* ~. w# S2 i; x- ?1 q! s8 E! p' MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: e4 _3 q/ W+ g1 M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* L' T1 W: o% H3 i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 r- H5 E! ]/ t/ ^3 r+ W/ H' V"不信也沒損失") Z: Y5 }" z1 O1 K9 e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' V& |1 b$ ^8 ?% @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......( O; g9 c# h$ V: `7 u* ?& `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" j+ M9 q8 ?4 ?) H. E$ Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 ^. }( [: [( S# p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% N3 X: y5 `" z" Z8 s& ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 c: J$ W( h1 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: V! q. g9 g" Y$ O# }如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: v9 K. ~+ V# ]7 E5 |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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) G7 P0 a% V+ X$ B( D2 V# p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( U1 d, r+ ^0 Q5 q9 y& J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- Y8 |' `4 T. a4 p) ]& S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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( y% z# l( A( w以下是其他人的見解,
$ f3 E2 H/ ~& T4 [% O2 L看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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+ E% ]$ f: H% x/ X* ?[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 t# m! k6 x8 z8 a' O

2 x$ z/ \; h4 d; V4 D( l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 ]" k( V/ y9 _% n$ w8 n" X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  ~! W& R( i: d9 c) f.............信耶穌... ...

- m# Y; N. R$ ]: V/ oRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) p# p* K8 k- U8 s" C, p, Y  h

% a8 A  d' _8 \% U( R. bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.