Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 G/ v" I" \9 r' ^- F我係一個連自己都吳信的人! C+ S2 W+ Z$ a* \  Q4 k* T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ J# A3 d8 ]# B  L道理我知道好多只係做吳到  _2 F" \. d- t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ Q5 d& X7 p  ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* G% i8 a; Z3 E

; S5 Q' K$ S$ b- A; Y3 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 C- ?8 Y! M7 K6 C+ i1 Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ r$ ^+ V) [* `: H7 K3 Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& I" M. G5 K: T( L; V: `9 N! H" o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- c* B) q1 b3 ^) a! s: c6 T" g8 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  y9 C1 I7 k3 t% Z, ?
真的!!這不是反話
8 \, P6 {4 U' [4 {$ \- J因為我是情感比理性強的人& L/ k5 @: i5 e- z( R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' O6 r) \0 Z# @( }  [3 G2 h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% Y- I/ ?& b* @* I8 c, l7 n3 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 C0 n  Z2 j% g& L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- T0 o/ l5 ^$ ?What a statement we have here?' K% [; \$ @6 b7 l% p

6 J; B" y; d: [1 BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 G1 `+ c8 N( n+ }4 ^; iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 v: j. w" X" p/ W) Q5 @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' b1 A' g! l# t" K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ [% }" M6 D5 g) D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. }$ D  P& g3 I6 m"不信也沒損失"
* o; K% ?$ g# N% R. aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' m- h- F- F# z5 Z" \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 @; H7 k( n9 J# U' d4 T, x

3 P0 s9 Z$ p$ I" w, Uit's starting because we have sins......9 K7 b# A+ e( A1 j5 H( y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * E/ r9 E* z4 q9 e7 e1 Z$ }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 }- T- P% R6 F) ]8 {4 s: P3 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 \) @7 ~- e- o& V0 y6 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 Q4 k7 M9 R8 K" `6 @; h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 L/ {2 v7 l! P8 U0 B3 Z! A) P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 u# V$ i8 Z. S  n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 B# n( w" h+ \% X7 }8 U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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! J# R8 }1 [8 ~  f& |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 J* G, L4 V% J4 l* H  I% m( S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 X- c; d0 G+ j2 Y  D9 O7 c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' A2 L& F$ R8 O% B) B
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 ?8 b5 ^% n; c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* D" C" _5 ?& K7 k1 ~; p

+ B' ]' q0 V: p5 F以下是其他人的見解,
3 E5 B8 I" M, K& J/ k1 Q4 E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
4 p, S: U7 l( X5 _4 W& N- ehttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm9 \0 W# ~) H" p% g9 N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 |2 h* W3 ~; I% y: n6 [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 m5 d. i' k+ q$ I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. q% S/ v" C) V) k/ c* n
.............信耶穌... ...

) {) Z& S- Z9 A, p) H. hRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# R1 l/ O; G. N4 P+ C6 q0 C

$ n; x/ m( t  p$ Z; oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.