Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 r' }4 E7 a4 v& s& ~5 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 {( ~1 B% ~$ h+ u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 `: n( B$ h. `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; d' w' ~0 d! w. N8 L# O, F5 \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# Q  P( k8 z. N- u7 D9 Y; o! Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( }& j1 j8 B4 b# g# @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, G; c0 n% B7 U) {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 ~( Z3 u+ ^# \, T4 D8 R
真的!!這不是反話* z' f! Q2 g4 u5 E5 z! b
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 D* s# P2 _! t5 w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 f- Y/ D7 F8 h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?6 k! p; g" p% C) A; X

* t; q: \' ]5 [; yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 a$ l# J) b/ A4 j$ A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& `  ~% j: d* nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  F- @1 o" R4 n' O* f5 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  R' ?, S' Z" d/ n  b, oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- }% f9 ?5 J. j5 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 C% D3 }/ R$ @3 x+ A2 K

& k6 d' V9 h1 L5 r1 zit's starting because we have sins......( [- U) z0 \& J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ r( `+ e6 }1 e; ^' A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" L3 a7 X5 O5 Q5 _# H8 Z/ Y3 a8 @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ _3 c2 s/ h9 m; A: K7 D( h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 {3 L* Y' v' W9 U5 u

' a. z) f' L" e# w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 m8 X; r- w9 t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ l4 X9 U9 o8 t  o. C$ D) X) _( {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- |- p" n! T8 k- [# X& z6 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" D$ \  {; W) C/ q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* ^7 r" r0 ~! `( y: T+ t& E) a% H, }

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7 _# a8 \; U- M7 g3 Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- C, O) {6 _8 ?8 w8 w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 V' P- g4 M  B3 \( S# I
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以下是其他人的見解,- k$ r  b5 q& j- i2 t9 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. r" c% V6 _& A: O
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! v% f7 J% o, }( m0 a/ D$ _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" V: Y, [4 q  w% d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 z0 G* I5 Z4 T% h/ t* i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  H2 d2 d) t+ {+ L$ V$ b8 Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." j, G  o4 i/ d" M- w9 ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.