Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到& ~; e5 i' e2 t; G' B
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( d; m: o5 X. K4 Q( z; @

8 I6 a2 o- ]+ mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( H* c5 _, @9 k6 Z  g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話6 ?. B' G4 g( g$ f/ t# M+ K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 O& t  R  Q$ ^( @- U- G2 a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 ^9 v% ]% e& P! X! n7 L5 [: W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( t; f" p" u9 B2 ^) b2 i) o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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" W2 a) {' v6 |: Q' QWhat a statement we have here?8 j  T) C' [3 b9 S# S- g
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 q  ]9 E. x  g& K# L
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. I' C' n1 v. e, ?( N% o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 e* d6 W, }' X7 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", {. N9 @$ G% J) q8 V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ |8 l" x5 g! m; h+ j2 X, \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# I1 w; a  G; a* d/ Z# r, {) ~it's starting because we have sins......6 r7 R+ T* a8 N* c/ }/ A1 S, J# L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 x/ \6 E; A3 L4 {0 K- a$ `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 w' c  W. a8 R' m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 ^4 p9 d+ w: s' M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 P0 c' `7 _* M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" }) [8 T! z. {. K( Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. e0 b/ `1 y! E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 T. U& m2 W" t0 ]9 F& f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 W! b( h  q/ v: D- p( M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," x: w" P: y+ c3 Z0 R$ H; F
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," a$ T8 M5 q. Z0 F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 [: I% V! [+ p( ?  _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ ~! L& q1 D# ]4 V. o& p/ g宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 X4 c% @  m. D# l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& l1 X# H! _+ [2 Z9 X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 t- @0 d2 s4 P3 x
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以下是其他人的見解,/ K. P  G3 h, \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 K. N. _. z; E$ _0 }: ~5 L

- Q2 \; L9 g) n7 B$ J- V. y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* F$ m% W3 u: {2 B! {; M$ W
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 D$ y9 \5 _' K7 d2 e
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 B7 e# D6 x8 G6 z( ^; I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( Y% v# {4 Z- b( t3 {6 fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) ?( Q( ?! y) w  I+ G/ J- sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.