Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' k# c3 f9 ~2 R' z" `9 a' t我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 q$ R/ r$ y" Y% f9 X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 h! I# \! K8 G. [0 H4 {* ?; B
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ A( O; A' x8 X  W/ b5 m, a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 q/ J8 E& {% X1 Y9 j0 J  cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: y8 N8 i5 R4 V/ UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" {: ~6 A2 j0 P3 Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; g  S) X" y8 R7 y! H6 }( n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* ^6 R  C* U9 w% p! W$ G7 k3 z, K" [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
- @: M$ V0 `- v真的!!這不是反話
( O2 G9 H/ K; A$ ]因為我是情感比理性強的人7 G6 j1 s% k3 D. |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 b2 ~$ e2 F; i) N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ [1 z$ m% s+ U' g3 m' G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ D0 C+ a0 A% q  L' v. q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 X) l# W2 I* a# K& cWhat a statement we have here?
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6 V  _  T& y8 m% i( |) J, f0 Z; sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% f' O$ D8 g1 g) o; a: B8 aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) R7 P0 \) H$ d, a: `+ ?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( a6 v. b" F$ p2 c3 o% o) A

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: x$ _, A* v  I: d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ l- ^" B( `* F4 C# ^"不信也沒損失"
2 @$ Z3 j9 H" `; X: r' I, G& qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 c/ _3 g: n7 Q1 j  u1 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ x- v' W" K8 Y1 S* p, @1 \5 h  x% d
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ _- i# _2 a# U+ h* nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& u% Z1 ^7 ^- R5 Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# Y# [8 D7 g4 z) h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& ^; q; F, e5 M  u- I2 C5 p, ?# ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 `& {8 z  {4 e7 o) }+ j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ u4 I/ N/ ]! L' V$ a2 c$ T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! _  p7 @5 B% z( y0 f; J: A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 h( Y. |- ?5 `5 i: n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& n- C; T! H2 ^8 U

& H/ x1 q3 O' _0 N0 ^& @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: y# y1 I; ^& a0 I/ k* e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ F9 j9 ?! `: N7 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 p, M, D! P2 b% R. Z9 N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, w6 @+ w; N! R4 x. }, }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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) R" g( R  }: K( @- t5 |* e! q以下是其他人的見解,2 \: A5 r. h' v) Q8 Y4 i- ^) Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 r6 m+ a8 O2 A; U
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 E' L9 Y& Y) A  c8 s+ p0 T

6 Y) f4 {/ j1 R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. U! L1 Y. u7 |, P" w% |* ]8 M& C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ M2 u' p3 v- k3 C9 V

- ~4 _9 O8 g& eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.