Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 ~, I0 p& y% I: u% X我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ k( I: a. h! |% N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ c2 X  q! c' K) D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% V& x+ D( v- {  b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 Z* f* c  b) I: m+ ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 Q, ]1 {* v9 |& `1 C

. }) x( i' e! S& i  W7 ]" XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ v9 I, j1 Z0 ?, n( Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- t# \& W. z3 F: m  B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' B$ Y2 j0 _/ j0 h/ e; T9 a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ E1 B4 X! D$ w4 B# u5 X! H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# Q# C! x$ a! u, J/ Z2 `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 i8 |5 H2 T5 d& Q. k, S: Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 U$ [( ^2 p) P# Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 p9 n9 P7 P# q2 N/ e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 O% ]- N7 g! [3 \" v' Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( @2 J8 k. R1 Y/ O+ W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 y/ j. u+ R/ x  Q, y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......; _" l  M6 m' c3 V6 M; G8 H+ w- @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 f2 z" M; @, s  M) K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# |# y7 A$ K6 U, u3 w3 G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 r' m, @& ]" H- W# u: g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 V. @6 w$ p' V6 l  Y" Q$ L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' B/ N5 o* g" Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: o+ @4 ?& j1 O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 n& `0 V0 n$ @' Y% \( t3 _" x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 E9 ?# M  v  z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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' d, {; E/ x: a" E- Z9 g- H) _* S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# }: U5 }8 u7 M" O$ }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 d3 r- C3 m* v3 _* g
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以下是其他人的見解,/ o9 @1 c- s7 Q6 N: u9 W' V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( c5 x6 |0 I* }& o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 r; Q) v, f$ w' a

4 l* y9 [; a: g5 r' f* [1 Q- J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" {5 E% F. r" D0 ?3 `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 P  |4 f1 L! P8 U! w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ i1 d  s* y* `2 j& K# a.............信耶穌... ...

  W# C; V) {% J3 N8 T; DRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% Y$ O% U" y! b6 Q+ \
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.