Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! e' H4 J1 S" {& P) u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  l8 Z3 F& f/ n; y) N4 }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: C) u1 A  j4 L6 C+ e道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 u# Z  @3 x  D, T+ E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: i% \" r% ~. S0 pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 s" [2 ?2 K$ C

$ e# r& e# \) E3 N/ N8 L) ]: Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' k: W; @2 k6 [* Q+ N3 ]7 T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 j- U3 z# q  U3 f9 O4 }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* G, L' R% m( o0 I; E$ J2 X. _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 Y0 g9 r- `% [% }" S9 F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! j0 z5 {( G* }# a3 K& p# D! ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 K' z1 y7 U7 m( E5 a0 _3 l1 WWhat a statement we have here?
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' k! B- v" r  b. A6 yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 u- {) r& T$ N- B" EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, H5 h% T; w3 }% b' I
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ X3 O3 y) A# `9 k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 ^# i5 ^- }  d8 Y6 m7 S$ F% A* n5 A  O, }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 g2 D( K0 Y3 G$ `8 D3 Y' E' V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* z6 x2 o) A/ _" n$ I+ m- O

- V2 Q. B4 F; W# \+ X' ~it's starting because we have sins......! l% }( Z$ {' c# a* _: u, S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : {: r- Z; F4 e( s1 n7 o3 }, ~2 Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", {/ y8 {' m# q! H4 r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 j, s0 l$ y& R" ]+ L4 n$ w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; }3 P1 W% R( L1 U! @& T! G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 j% m- ^7 p1 N4 J; u- I  r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' P) k' h& r+ ]; `- N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. P- o. i/ m. j* }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; b/ T( K6 T1 A* u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% t& P' y4 B  F7 _6 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ E$ T3 l% W" l& X" `4 h- \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ j, ]$ x* r+ Y7 b8 w0 K0 G以下是其他人的見解,
" C/ w5 K. r$ l) q* s" }: i看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, ~# `. w* B/ V

* c% w2 o" B5 Y1 S2 {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 l  a; @+ R; u' l) }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* j- H2 P8 N" D( ]  a) W5 I
.............信耶穌... ...

9 }( `. M2 J2 `1 F( yRegarding the resurrection...., K, s/ z! [& e; e

7 P7 L, {/ Q" m9 R  HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 G8 ^( K6 p; d. x- G' h9 g  O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.