Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, t. `2 l" s. `4 a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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% g" g! C9 d6 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到, K+ q. n* K4 Q% ?1 Q# G% f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 ]7 M) X, S* o/ A' v2 g  w) zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 W& B/ W+ k% H6 O! `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- A9 G4 y& k1 R3 Q: W: dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 V1 y  x9 X3 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人$ O% t1 g0 z. V; U# ]5 {# N# p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* n9 X* v7 e* r3 d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?0 U. @# z+ p2 b; E! S, V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 G5 I: Z" a) O5 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 u* F& R# m6 `# {: I" S1 A

- A" x; m- K4 K, @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: k' V) `# F+ }* H- T3 }7 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") A6 f5 I1 C, M6 V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ `' {" }" ?8 L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 T1 R' o7 l  `# q" }" w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 z) K& ?: f* M+ a* x8 B6 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) B0 L  X2 v7 m: W- p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- r5 y' }, L4 M/ j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' D1 I: x6 q* h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ j( g- e" h) g4 u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- ?  c4 i8 E/ b  ~, [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 C$ f+ A7 e6 G8 [: Y4 [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: G( {: ]$ P3 L$ S: p) C# g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ y# E. F0 ]. o8 N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) e0 O, ?! [3 X& G6 H3 R+ D& o

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. U) M* b! Y% {( T1 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- V8 a, P5 F/ B0 C

# ^% u* N$ B; B, Y( r6 D* O4 z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 t$ ~* [- F  [: u' A9 L; ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" {, F* o) U( f* i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 f: x( H; L  v9 X.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) O7 T  X. W8 W. K3 dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& h' V0 ~1 \5 L( q" R- D$ D2 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.