Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* D2 h) Y7 H" w$ R8 O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 n. q. Z  w' [+ R; W( c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: A4 V& S. A1 v7 m+ l" E7 n2 S; i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 E3 G% m) B/ K9 C0 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: {# z/ v. W5 _; l. n9 Y' y1 KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 b. J& N5 k+ z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; P3 e' H7 ?/ }0 }8 j. l0 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 g( K) \6 k5 E; Q6 Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話6 o% E. g, q% \8 B. ?  Y8 A8 x& g) n
因為我是情感比理性強的人; V9 o+ w5 z5 |/ }3 L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. j1 H- a/ B/ G5 [! p4 J$ b/ f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, M# f" s& L; N& x4 i1 n$ H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! D7 p2 Q* k! `% I! B. f8 ~: ^6 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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) I& `, k6 K8 \3 dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  q3 l/ C) Y1 o! xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 u1 H* b9 R- L- \) ~5 F% z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 ]8 o7 y: L5 }6 l
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 D3 b9 }5 H3 m# V$ f2 O$ l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% r  v2 s! m! _; {0 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." X0 A# L3 ]! [, L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." H# v' f$ q4 L/ J
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it's starting because we have sins......
& V3 t0 |$ H( N" C4 x) e# R. |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* q" u7 ?- w( eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& q0 k1 `$ S7 K6 z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 W4 A; b8 H# Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' J/ @1 b/ _' D/ e' s& _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# @' _; \. [* e9 }: q0 t& _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& N+ V. {, y$ p. k9 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 X% r* [0 H7 V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" Z: k! k$ y/ S$ Z( G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! L0 m& \1 o) D( q- `: H- e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% t) g; f" C3 a1 v/ d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 B7 o  |' |) z
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," T9 Q0 @8 a5 n: Y; z; _/ I2 ]; l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, t; T% h5 L0 D3 r3 }, p3 k2 h

: |6 O  k9 a3 V2 l7 Z4 p# `, n  M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 H) z; p: O8 g- e9 A0 C2 y. K4 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 V& d+ Q0 K  b9 q( O( c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 \- w) e- B' w4 F% U
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! O5 E# o% o+ a) \; r1 M7 D.............信耶穌... ...

5 [5 d9 J1 g$ a4 p; \Regarding the resurrection....% n, ]3 q7 p9 Z5 D; r* r( g
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8 s7 O: O( `4 S( PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.