Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 k; j& D9 r. j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到& {6 x( R! o5 m  L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* \  g* J2 T& e0 F0 d; ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! z. |4 d% A3 s% d! e
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 t, G% l1 ^' E1 V4 `& U: R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 I6 H$ L7 }. Q) F

; z6 b8 o9 O& G+ Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." o+ w4 V4 `0 T1 G. ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 E$ k- [5 M( M- X. j" Z$ ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 {( d) Y, ?, H- {. D, j
真的!!這不是反話+ K* t) h6 p4 h) D
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 y3 W' r* H- n; c# ^* J+ s) g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 @* C) G# t4 Y5 x5 A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 g( e3 k( ?; i) X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; w1 h" Z3 P& O) T8 {8 L6 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) l* c3 E, }9 X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  A. q9 G7 s8 d( UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 K6 C8 ^+ d5 ?8 ]1 T6 b) i0 v

8 z& u' |; N8 z9 [& H# n" YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 w0 G" ^8 |( g. j+ _" h8 Q, v
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! b* V6 }& U+ o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( o7 y5 ]' o. ^/ }3 E$ }"不信也沒損失"
9 h! b# q$ m! ?/ `$ D& U6 L, T. zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' S5 A0 d. I( T- A+ o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......( K+ [2 _; ]' u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' U7 K! g1 U  p) mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& o; d8 [7 U# A8 E4 g2 {/ [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 J7 _/ r. q- Z1 f! X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- p, \* f, i" G9 R- ]( `) o4 ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ ~) e$ y$ Z* J2 R, N2 c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 K' |) X# a/ s! U" q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 X* h" R: i9 z2 a' c) g' E

3 M: u9 ]% z0 U8 S% t. u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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8 q$ s, o. i& n8 U8 \  t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, ]' E! X8 P/ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: o! u0 N5 ^( k$ h' g6 B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& j9 |* N9 f  _' p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  f5 K) s& \2 o: l8 {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 k/ S: D" E/ T, M$ V! m. x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( s) y) U. W; i4 N5 ?; N
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' ]" s9 h+ r4 \% h( S2 p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, D; m% Z0 E; j0 c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. t! U0 g4 a4 N2 \9 ]# o7 |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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' z  y/ T. Y0 h# x4 X3 nActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.