Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 r# g( s2 P2 C# R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. \: g  w# A. z) u$ |: H, G2 d, o2 N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" e( h9 z$ {6 `2 t) ]9 i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ U# z3 Y; P  G9 x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& c8 r9 g0 @) Y- h/ Q! @$ C

' J( g/ z( J9 D8 k* N4 _+ ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; E, L% z8 ?$ F) kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  J4 d# S% n1 z1 L; a2 A, tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 X8 I8 S3 `3 P8 Scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* {: A/ y  a; R4 B
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# y2 d2 [# o/ e) @! n- i) w
真的!!這不是反話
% \8 ]% ]. V. |: R" b% x0 q因為我是情感比理性強的人/ ~+ G* x% `+ Z) \0 _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 K5 T4 R/ A7 S0 \( ^/ v2 h, Y4 |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# G% F, {, |& D  Q8 F8 l' W) i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 F6 e+ m2 V2 S) n( m; x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 ?4 u0 A; Z2 R% N! `What a statement we have here?
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/ {% u0 m5 z7 e- e6 MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - U8 n7 u7 }* t/ {. ?9 r. L

4 Q. V, I" q' ]# J6 [# o( ]4 M5 N. |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- b" x; U2 L' {

6 N  n. t& X3 u( kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 y9 P6 O; ~/ [9 B$ C

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, x  G& J$ c+ i4 ^# o' V9 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# W" A# L, S3 Q  o! T$ \"不信也沒損失"9 M0 P) m7 {/ L+ p, F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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* Q- ?4 U9 ?% h- F- uit's starting because we have sins......
6 x: ?  r% y0 R; i7 M% jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( d9 O9 F5 o1 B! vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ x( q2 L1 |4 E) Y7 Q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 S8 E$ B8 y5 ]. x3 J0 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! H/ A, i) c2 N3 E; C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; u9 ~1 a: w2 s1 d1 m4 @2 R% \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," f8 [+ r/ m# n! }" b( [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: l; P  B0 p# S" S2 ~% C% t! y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- v3 |3 I4 t: _" M/ `9 f3 l  r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ z# S- C, W3 e0 R8 U, u5 B

0 J7 k2 N1 Y  M; E. T0 h6 u+ g9 T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: N6 i2 v* l" a# ?& u4 C+ [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, x" x! H) F4 b# q/ p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( M  R' t* J( R8 s  s: r; s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 ?/ H4 T7 `& G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& q1 D) [# z4 d" B' E# t7 m& Y以下是其他人的見解,
  i0 r+ g9 L. v9 n5 E# {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) d3 |# }. l& r5 Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' b/ x! u8 l- o# u# z# \

$ ]# n, C( C! D# d) `7 e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, ?' v* z9 P4 s
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 O; i9 ^6 P. R5 A7 y. N4 r" N, y% r! e1 ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% k+ W4 z% _7 A" @: _0 E) B# F
.............信耶穌... ...

( X  Z) n; F2 PRegarding the resurrection....( Q1 ]) o% d! r& v3 u

6 V$ m5 A+ ]7 J& ]- B+ T$ p) CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 n: r, @0 G9 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.