Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ U; j5 Q  \; B. D2 G( v& m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. D! u. e! {) Q# W又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 J) J& r5 \1 h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. s' W' ?: A5 f6 H3 r5 g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 a8 i4 K9 Q% cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... Y1 @, d9 a8 i7 W4 |+ U3 W! E' b' k! k

% I  i: B  R( hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- x4 P! v  p7 z4 x: S) Z

7 k2 Z9 i4 v! {& Z) Y# Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# V3 _% X; V# M6 Y" m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 i' @, E  Z, E6 v$ ]  u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 J! N4 {, T; ^. H) a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, |; B, D) k4 N# S, _5 c! L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& j8 o, q9 s! b3 PWhat a statement we have here?
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6 M. ?/ P6 C5 L$ {( ~# r& l# aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: C2 z: X" L- F; q) ]

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5 x2 _+ F8 y" X[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 O! a0 o  z2 E6 D: e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" ?3 o' `# q: u: I2 `"不信也沒損失"
4 U' ~# i$ i' g5 Y8 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  G9 y6 n6 y7 sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# B8 Y9 l* q8 Sit's starting because we have sins......7 ^  }  c5 D6 {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 ]2 k/ \% o  i! [# B8 pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 l( f$ X# `+ ^9 Q1 p8 C% l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% g0 g' F! n$ m! |7 h& ?6 H" }( V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ J/ I% l- N/ y- v% j! I- F* M5 \: `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: b6 g9 u7 `$ W$ g4 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 ^) f) u3 V% j# [2 B) G
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, U: K' Z" m6 z5 E7 d) _& y

$ a  @- d1 k# j2 u- o9 b; Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& Y( p* R8 L2 Q0 U0 k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( y2 O$ H! S* V+ e  U# d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 b5 a  t; b) w) P" {

; |+ Y! C4 q; H0 r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 ^2 d/ _/ h" W: P. `' |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  |/ C( K* n; _" I$ g4 \7 u! X
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. R1 B: H8 H8 g/ T' ?
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# g5 Q$ T/ C8 b" M  c; ~& d

' ^5 O; U1 p5 w, u- D8 d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. `/ z7 [& |7 Z8 E( K( S% l同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* y# G! c- i6 A3 j9 |: c/ a4 U
.............信耶穌... ...

. i9 c( T& ]5 a. j1 _3 C0 u& V. ]Regarding the resurrection....9 ^* C& B; G9 h$ B8 v7 p$ g& I

" ]5 T9 F/ d$ W" u7 f8 h3 J. J2 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 W- g* ~) h: D" H) U5 w& {

0 f8 x' p( _% z3 T1 OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.