Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% ~2 f7 o9 u. j3 V我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# Y# ~+ F1 i# z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# t& A9 Q! d, Z; K1 c5 UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 v, E; C# \* X* ~; E* p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ [3 I" N6 J" g% j4 G* j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 M' \6 M7 ?4 U; I" a' \
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  b/ Y4 m) K) E8 X& H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; F4 d6 t4 |. q7 Z% Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 f* Y) y8 p/ U2 k
真的!!這不是反話
0 }0 `/ k0 \0 T% w1 g因為我是情感比理性強的人; z) G  i( t& J1 |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# A# j7 ^( g* I1 [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  l, z& z3 t- s5 d1 {  b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 f, S' X( Z4 m+ n; e% z. mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " R' u% }& q; H7 Y

" @* Z: j; \+ I9 e9 H5 [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ v4 L: K. g$ U. s! m4 V

! n7 A3 A! c* L* m) A7 R7 RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 ]0 f/ P6 [. W& l2 t/ N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 _  u% O6 c/ o2 x- \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& p6 A$ B5 {; I: x: U7 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ _( K1 g- _$ h, S; O3 jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, i" H; B8 s9 r+ d* l: ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* G  g( x( |4 A- L- ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- a+ c0 z* J2 |8 C: A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ `# \3 M* D/ q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 e- H8 x+ P. \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ ^* P6 D) I) V9 v2 a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 V4 [6 l6 O( W& G- k! f

+ T3 c6 C4 f4 L3 G! J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 b, j, B* X. r3 G8 p! b& D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 p% a  E: Q6 n' B+ h+ G
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. ~7 J# d9 P7 g; H7 T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ N; X: o& u! ]8 J
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  T; t: v/ f3 p% |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' }6 L, I% W8 R; M( t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: j/ S. Z4 c+ H8 X, C. ?5 Z
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以下是其他人的見解,! `7 L3 L: T$ ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 V+ ]& w" ^& L* s
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 P4 E$ ^  K7 F7 r
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 g1 h( b3 L2 Z$ @  z) t

: s8 Q" g7 j/ ^, W! `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ o) u! X8 B4 `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.