Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 r+ `6 J7 ?  P我係一個連自己都吳信的人, N0 J9 m/ `' T3 w, x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  ^# k5 P- Q$ `6 A! w) k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 b+ b; w! u% C+ K5 v+ ]7 N3 K呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ X. S" y/ F5 l. w& c3 ~9 ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 i1 j  f. x+ S" Z! u" V. m1 j. p5 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% r2 d$ ]/ s  T; ~: D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. I& S0 a5 W1 z+ `* B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 E/ N( @$ }& }5 r5 ]真的!!這不是反話
$ ?8 w! F& g/ I5 S; b因為我是情感比理性強的人2 s4 A6 `  N; H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& I# p6 h+ V7 h4 U0 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 B) _9 R& \4 z! `- m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 w0 L) o' o- l% O, Z4 V5 N# J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( d8 g- q" ~* q0 u" f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  m/ O; r+ h1 u& x
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 O" k, B" q0 q1 {0 V! p& D  PLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 u. A. i7 x* O% z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 r$ g* R2 ?- P2 B* R; p) k$ N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 n# J* l  G1 u- ?"不信也沒損失"
% N9 e* n3 \  h8 p/ mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ i& X1 N  s3 ^6 U' kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 P% [6 }9 n- o4 F) z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 D4 N2 T; {: _& S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* w/ }6 h/ }; ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% e- I* ^1 _$ o2 u4 I* a  R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 I/ }4 n/ b! s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 U# D# T, z+ ~4 W' V- w* Y8 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( V- H; x" |) j4 w% G$ r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- g% [# |8 ?6 _# ^; q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# y9 O; ]% e: `' p9 j) k6 h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' b' G) C' S( s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 _7 B5 K9 [# }' y+ h& R. h

" l+ u# y7 X6 T1 {; v& N! I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" a, ~; r7 Q* L" R' ]1 ]3 n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ g$ d2 G3 I$ p! I! h8 u0 \以下是其他人的見解,/ t( c' I$ O- z% P$ Z& P: ?, F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 [4 c" ?- p6 d
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ }; B$ N. R( O3 k2 O% [2 p! e) v* w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. j, ^1 _! ]# x# A; S2 M
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* @) ^* a- P7 S; t& _. K/ V
.............信耶穌... ...

/ K" w, B6 k# j" @, k$ D1 m: xRegarding the resurrection....
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7 J2 z7 ^7 J2 sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.