Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ [& z! n* T' E1 t8 m6 L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 j; G1 p6 Y  V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! {5 i" {6 o8 L- R- G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: N: W+ V: T; Q) }* wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 \# w& |: ~4 Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 ?+ K- i- b5 acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 D6 x1 H! M% C! _1 @我只不過微小的基督徒...................! {$ v) [: Y; ]
真的!!這不是反話& ^& [6 K+ v, t- r$ w$ A
因為我是情感比理性強的人% f  y4 e4 P! j3 s. b: y3 s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ X$ o# q; m% i; ]. _$ j9 p( O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 d: V3 G0 x5 @' }; r; b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ N2 L  n; P( _: Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: Y  g5 ?" ~+ [6 q! {  F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 D. _" Y1 g2 d4 C2 d% QWhat a statement we have here?  X: H( B9 L3 y1 \* V- O& z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' ^' h# d2 \9 e. xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., A6 E7 G: Y; S' h

. Y  W  I" g+ Q( Y4 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% Z4 ?5 q& @2 k2 D
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; l9 w" a/ I, F5 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, V  D( c' a2 ^8 r  R3 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- X; y! v& o$ P0 l  }# dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* v* K7 V* C( o* Z, {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 \* h$ k3 h0 Y4 j+ W* z4 }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% S5 {! @" c( {' N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 ^: y2 h; q9 A/ @! C

) n, z7 E! N. S* q5 q& i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( l: d1 _' @2 t7 C+ g! H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, Y8 g; p1 O" b
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 ^0 `2 ^0 B' M0 z4 ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; @8 B! F# W  q* `* E
.............信耶穌... ...

, V5 ?% O& j* G; Z$ IRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 u; e0 Z: J: g, r  KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.