Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 M9 B5 t) ]! z8 @0 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. f, l- t# T" U! O& c+ {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 o$ P1 t0 g! E7 n0 ^- u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ m3 C2 V  U, u. M# u7 \! v' F) c* o

; c7 o$ b8 b- H  tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ U& N- u$ t# X2 m, w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話$ }5 W& E: z- l& r' J" P1 }; o5 b( q
因為我是情感比理性強的人" }( P( j+ O, H, M6 z# s5 ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% S- |8 j6 Q' w1 b- x5 l+ n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( c8 Q! S" E1 y, ^, V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; F7 Y# @* M" z9 _+ o8 W, o& C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; f+ `! X( W- l! N5 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  {) e8 U4 E7 z! t% r  zWhat a statement we have here?& g9 X8 _% d6 g* r% u3 z

5 k9 J- s2 v8 v5 lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! m( w6 ?& c$ a( B% }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& s2 F/ F0 g  c' a. n

/ K7 y5 a' {& c$ |: S7 ^* a( bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 w! i- c# Z% r% H& k% I8 P7 h' R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 B# i: i% T% T& Y; z' D; t% @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# z/ d" c0 O/ \0 X. }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ j# a# c  G$ Z' ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 w0 A. V8 ^6 [4 ]" Z! Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. j5 y. X& g+ ^7 x0 Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 E; O( k* k  R  T% d. ^2 C+ n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& K4 O# M+ n* b8 M+ O% s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, Y( x3 P, @1 q' v0 w- s& L5 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 A" X/ b" @* \4 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" a3 S+ z8 `2 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# N* o- n/ ~9 Y7 t; H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% Z: x9 D# F& g( {( x, Y  h- x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) \5 o( E$ r, o% P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  C& w: _. T5 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- a/ P6 @4 r& b4 P7 K  f
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% E8 [% U5 L5 S1 v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" b; s0 L7 i, h7 `9 ^信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; _3 l$ r6 o! e3 Q& c. j) z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* Q* g2 }! T( j( }4 _" |3 [9 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  d, l7 u5 h+ k; T
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 t, P! B: K# y. [% T.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 f& M5 g9 X% \/ c. E' [8 O% ]

# i7 Y7 {5 a6 I8 N7 o: yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.