Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- J' o! e7 |. t  }我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 d0 Q) J  M+ U, F6 i; i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ r9 H- o. \1 _2 }4 f' k- Z! m- ~) I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ \' D* o8 D2 \- D5 u, `2 v% xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 E4 g% }8 ~" k- B6 T. e2 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 r+ o8 D+ z# e; w/ ~, B1 m7 F

/ U1 ]2 k0 L2 d7 Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" ?4 O" M. E" Z3 n4 @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, a/ ^3 V2 E! M8 g0 ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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1 L- o; {# U' I3 x% {7 y6 ?# M5 ^: h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; ?  _- g- I8 g- R1 H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ q$ o3 C( f2 x& D
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 v1 u7 K7 d2 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 e6 e1 Y# Y+ MWhat a statement we have here?' J. H4 N( B8 A$ I; ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / P! A, J  M9 x+ |8 P/ R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ P( N+ X3 f) o- g5 o
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: i% S0 O, J% ^; I2 p) D( g3 o6 b% C

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ s/ M) Q( [1 e, Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 u# V. g0 q) Y4 r$ l4 e! T: V- j"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' i+ Z; H! l5 [3 d! p

, r) b9 X$ c1 b8 z2 kit's starting because we have sins......- S, k" o/ J* Y  W& E, W. ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( r/ j# S0 L* Q, R/ Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") w4 q8 v, ]4 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# h* {  R' K! Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 i( q- O9 P. K# _, M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 H# d' W' j0 ^. y% k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 W( b7 l# K$ i8 _4 v/ m4 O2 p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: q( E& @# B2 `* r5 r# e, T6 W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 z/ Y3 n5 \3 F6 \. R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 P3 J9 [3 b- G% [3 u; K
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% ]( `4 ~3 ~* H6 i

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% c0 _+ ]- @$ e# W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% ]# L3 {; ?: J& m. P. h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! `$ e+ L, o0 T2 ^

& e0 M! l$ O2 }. n% i1 b& W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( K; J4 v# N+ y: \.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: G& x  w$ H$ @+ V( H

5 H, [6 }3 Y6 G/ W* z2 A& D0 tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 ~$ o7 O4 y2 {1 P6 g9 |7 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.