Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 @6 Q3 }6 [: z4 b# i& q+ g) g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) n3 w1 O, k4 L4 I3 @又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 x- [. O2 n2 K+ a- M. _7 |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; l5 e& m0 m' R5 u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 H% Z% F9 v+ d# K) u& x' [8 u1 ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 s" A2 [# y& Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 N+ J# P- K9 B: [$ [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& ~% U7 {* g( l! [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& P/ N1 h. D. B& O$ p7 P7 g% ]真的!!這不是反話- t/ P+ G$ k3 b- R
因為我是情感比理性強的人& b: g& s5 C* M* p1 `: J! ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 e$ E. p% G: W, }8 p9 h% U5 ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 c7 A1 V# |. \0 k0 r: \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ A: Q. q7 n! m- K0 S7 B! O0 Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 P  [$ e/ L) R' HWhat a statement we have here?  g6 T; m: V0 w) M/ j# S* @

+ L# w0 v+ T% B1 Q# [! PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # g+ S' l! t+ {7 V6 F3 H

# T% C' X# i1 \9 G  r( |" ^4 CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." C; l9 i: i! ^6 I' o. t7 d  c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! l0 _& W! k2 N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. q6 y. n9 K7 l+ i/ i& j"不信也沒損失"9 d8 ]7 k6 c- T* g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! O9 H; |) a4 w, p* k9 M: v3 p% Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 W# X' E* M& Y7 }9 b

) w! g+ e6 y0 r% ~2 `% ]0 L- hit's starting because we have sins......
* K5 J6 z' @9 c# y4 esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / E, V( f( y0 ]  L' r& X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 P0 l/ d0 r+ O: e! R% }6 t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! a1 E. _, t4 s+ F2 t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ ]8 N4 c4 `) i) e/ \3 r7 F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* l2 ^2 B; L: W9 J# L  h; c; r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 q+ L" K* n( N4 v* X9 c; u3 Y/ \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ j4 o* b9 g! q4 q7 i! O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( }6 _3 j" v) v3 E9 q7 v( B
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8 a% [4 ]7 v' O" ]# x% i+ R0 y1 G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 R7 J7 Z3 s! w' ~; x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* {# c+ B( C0 L5 W8 }' n* ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ x3 f  W2 I- O) \1 t+ K; ^

' ^6 Q9 D, w9 X宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ [- K7 D  ]& ^) l; e4 p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& z8 C7 o4 `, W5 Y8 t

# C" E) d1 ^2 K, `6 i% q以下是其他人的見解,9 j6 M1 g, C0 t% `1 J6 n& A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 z. g6 W0 y& m) v4 y6 v. v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: K0 |0 ]/ B$ t4 Q: z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  j1 K! ]' o# I

3 K- _  K" |  `3 c( J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; `# E. u- j4 Z4 r7 K% x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 k. ~" Y2 l  }. I4 h
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, x% x1 l+ u9 {
.............信耶穌... ...

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3 X) T" G! [7 j3 XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.