Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 a4 e/ a" M$ C, c" z# B( D我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 r4 v5 x$ r5 s$ a) \, a. g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' R/ ~7 M" Q8 Q7 H. F* J道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 U% Q* t# Z5 s' t- ~7 m! n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ v9 r+ T, K- u/ k/ s) BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 U- [, ?5 d) a% v* k( I  p

3 `; M0 }+ I5 `2 lNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, w/ D! J! ^7 G1 Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) R5 i# i8 H: Y/ y* I: F+ r% V! m

2 n5 B# l  o2 h& {) y) o% Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 G, Q5 C$ o8 H, W/ W/ J; O: }( v, T8 @( Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 o6 M) k; R4 \* w; W/ b我只不過微小的基督徒..................." G' a: a7 s! [
真的!!這不是反話0 {% e( z& ?( [4 ]9 n
因為我是情感比理性強的人! A9 t+ Z5 h! Q1 o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 \$ [, d9 P* U7 o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" i" _1 v2 `1 m/ d. Q* I- R7 l  N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: ]$ B3 E* o" G- K5 g5 A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 Z# ]. j5 O$ y! @" X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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1 Z' g* {1 R5 _% S6 ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& {- c! D  O3 a3 J! f! r! J9 CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ s5 S) \8 d4 D9 F) f8 n$ U% t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# g7 S9 M8 ^; i1 P! UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; q, v4 W( s) X0 _# }$ ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ n  J; B% Q% n4 R! A0 `
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it's starting because we have sins......
3 ?2 A3 k2 |* r) ?9 e+ B/ C( U/ Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; q3 c. U1 Y& k* B; {' Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") Z$ g9 R; j/ }; t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, Q; G. @3 |* v6 S- A- w( b6 j如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# c3 J" C, j; O* Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( o1 k: r, F% b; S* _6 a  r2 ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: k- ]; H; ^. [" s- P' N' c
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) a7 {' R* z" U& U7 ^9 G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., x2 T; C7 T& t5 f* w

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' v- T  g7 h- h( |5 E  F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 g+ |( i5 T. ~; @2 ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 s; }$ [2 O# V0 T
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 F; J+ t% F' ?4 Z

$ @$ p1 y! z& L" c: }# M! _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 T' G6 ]' K2 W! |% {# M2 B
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 n9 d' B( @/ i$ p1 ]# V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 F/ |: D! W, S+ V5 E9 }8 r

* E4 Q' a5 G1 e0 O: eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.