Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ Z( _9 I. ^, b% D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& n) e5 \4 K2 b. L' \9 I+ X  t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 O1 F8 u* C5 }1 m1 S6 `! {; \7 O
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ c, z, \) e% t9 r8 ?6 k" P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- h$ H. I. O( _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& _( h( T% `' ~$ Z9 V6 s% A5 _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% v( V& R' m/ ]/ q% U$ sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 v& h2 F8 p1 C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ {6 U7 ?5 j; S0 v7 b7 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; X, \- ~. b  u+ T1 I真的!!這不是反話
* |: A& }) w0 V. R* V6 w. e* v因為我是情感比理性強的人$ o' K2 a% V5 T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 [% U0 N& `1 f6 N. I' V3 X( d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 {% `2 i$ N8 U. k/ k" w2 f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 |! @  A. n3 U1 F3 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" `9 K5 ^0 ^3 Z/ Z% a) m4 GWhat a statement we have here?) }4 f( S( R' ~9 i4 k/ t$ ]
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / J% `) b) H/ J6 J# x

& V5 V5 E! c& a! I# y" ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 n" p$ D: @' s2 k8 |% pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 y. S! m, w! y+ o6 b0 j"不信也沒損失"5 g1 T0 `) `; x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 T- B2 e3 c+ I+ ^& C3 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) y! r" I" d- O0 v0 `9 q
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ j4 W# z4 g5 y- ], g/ Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # f: c6 N6 J7 r5 Y( V/ r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 |/ D* q5 j) f& Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 t+ J! t7 M4 t0 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 Z; ^. B* B' Y2 U8 a( ]& B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" |- _7 k" K6 T4 d3 |( q; k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 W; R7 Q- U# e: D7 W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 i  N4 @2 H" g- Z- [4 `3 |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ f5 W+ I% [: @' x, S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' E$ T& Y* l2 {. a: W  F; t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" {6 z1 p0 D' i! p, Y) o# n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: Z' J# k0 S2 J5 J) C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; P  P7 w. G' @! w信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& }/ l( }7 o$ B7 V% r; U7 D/ ^
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以下是其他人的見解,; I, V0 b5 M  ]8 Q7 X2 ?1 ~* |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. A; O1 Z: w3 ^) E$ K  f, V4 N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  P/ {7 M" q8 c) Z( W7 h

! _( _7 h4 X7 D) }/ O) z4 f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' E( E% K( T3 R1 h) T& O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 U% D' X% m; n# t6 [; z- [.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 x; m! l; n$ `# C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.