Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ t% M( l) Q! y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 ^0 ~1 t) m# s$ Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" K3 S- Q0 m6 a; }; J# g* [道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ @0 u0 N; A* M$ |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ {6 c1 v+ w9 LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 P3 P" I- K9 f8 T% p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ u5 ]4 D% q+ E

$ @" K6 c2 G: Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 r7 U. `. t4 p1 Y" M3 {; `2 lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 I, J9 j0 w$ |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; {0 `1 `+ g& @( ~6 I% `' z$ c我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ N8 L6 ]& ^! \& G, s; _) l
真的!!這不是反話3 G( I. t/ `8 Y* H( _* @7 l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
" ?& m6 s# h, ~* E7 k9 R2 {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' v; y4 Y' a% z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& k8 Z- }& C6 T# q& H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 S1 v+ A* X+ o4 p& @+ W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ {7 j. Y8 l% E+ e! Y" ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- }9 _0 i6 m3 Y4 W+ XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : u  }1 E  h' b( p$ P" x+ U

2 `& g) q6 I% l) X* F" |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 V; j& X9 S, ^  l% V

: B3 p4 T. Y5 nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 H9 `( E* w: m) c: U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- @' u. X% [5 }! v+ W"不信也沒損失"
* M4 T- J/ R% jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ H" d0 P- P1 H; X2 c7 sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
( ?: O' B; ~* G" fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 d7 k: A5 h) Z# g3 {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 f7 [& P/ M% q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) i$ R  w! N/ I- ^$ S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! u& F7 ?3 c9 a4 q) A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& T, v+ Z" s& Y1 r" W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 X% u$ I, j9 g0 N' E* r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 W/ ~/ ?1 Y+ m' K2 J  z9 v, p
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 t! [9 S6 H! @9 x7 v/ |& u% v# c6 O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 E0 o( w  g% o2 K  T' Q) J& e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: j. n  _) l% D4 K& B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& K3 e# R* B( r+ _% J) z( h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! f- u2 n/ w2 a* B/ U8 k0 C& x2 `

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 _& h: w8 p, @' @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' O" U: G5 H5 Q3 _以下是其他人的見解,
& q. u1 w, w3 x看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% a3 a8 z' s0 z' ?7 Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, ~7 [& E5 n3 D" u% M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& n+ j- }" S" j4 T
.............信耶穌... ...

9 W; J' v3 J$ Z0 u% D# V3 N& SRegarding the resurrection....
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; V' D( h+ |  rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* O3 A- }& P( S; k9 V

! w3 Z9 i: J; _9 U' X6 \! FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.