Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& L) D  {6 Y" o( @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 K5 T; T/ y& d3 M9 N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 t. b# Q8 a! `- {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 Q1 A, y4 J  c. w4 f, X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ i' m7 u, h( `: P/ I" O* h! c6 d2 zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" _5 q7 h6 v1 j# h: F% oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# |1 M* M3 b1 c' X6 D( |

( }/ a! H8 x6 U4 p  G; |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 Q/ M6 o7 E. g) W# Q

: g& A( _5 O0 z" k+ A" hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* _5 ]6 l6 N+ k4 X3 H$ ?4 Y3 gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ k6 b4 i' U% {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% J4 R2 C% }0 ^0 G
真的!!這不是反話8 n3 _  b1 C! g* |
因為我是情感比理性強的人" [8 q/ U) r2 V6 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* h! F, a7 }" }1 n" w+ s9 J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' X  Z) f" W/ v/ M( E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, N3 Y1 b/ l( T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% y/ J  ]5 I; `$ `* k+ d& OWhat a statement we have here?; f! G5 F( ~# @

, \7 _+ E9 H7 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: u' k7 e: ~  ?2 mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" S+ ^! J3 a: I: kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ ]- D$ @5 |/ B

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ G8 ]6 M1 I- \' Y: J; z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& T& g2 b+ T% E' A+ ?& XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* f8 Z/ L  y! j& a5 }" ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......# g: _; [3 q/ [7 `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ v6 L  ?3 G* ]+ p$ X; oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  B2 U# V) }1 S( q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, c4 Y& O0 U  p/ a3 t$ R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 g* |  g# O' g  @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# ?7 b' G* J) _/ N  U! w& O+ y( Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" I$ M, y: [+ K6 u1 `6 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' U! z; o# M. I" t3 a0 x( ^  @
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  C0 I3 F, j; r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 x* {* L8 r$ W8 ?: d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ P  f, z% j* B. N6 [8 l" m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" J( l0 K1 f0 ~7 z- ~1 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- ?5 F7 {3 U. [$ W( \. O# o& h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# C3 X6 Y( t8 e3 w0 D& P信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' g0 {7 U4 X2 W9 n& r以下是其他人的見解,
9 A; W- U8 Q3 {: ^8 s7 r2 t  m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' |( _- G9 N3 [6 _
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 r! \+ D1 N3 Z- {, f# @) G! Q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 V/ h0 e- T1 m( \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* G& g2 r3 c( z; M7 C7 O

, _5 u% e% o3 n8 @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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- ^/ |* X8 p7 `; m8 yRegarding the resurrection....
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" }# i. U' V3 C( U' e8 n5 L: ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.