Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 P  F8 ^* M$ m" X% ~3 V, v+ E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 u% V. \! M* P. b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 e5 T% M( L" d* e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 g3 e3 O$ ?! G# d2 gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: n, A' O/ i( c  p2 D! h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 \% H/ \& ]$ ^% h2 p( [

$ L# r! K8 g! J  @* emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 ^% D- P/ y, F; S1 y7 c
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( M& W, i( E# tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. s! G$ f+ J5 c! ^( e: N% f; X& Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................* n  C2 W% |3 @
真的!!這不是反話
$ o  S! }4 n6 e: V9 U因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 c" b" l( D4 G$ d" m# E+ n所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 {' q, d8 z) c5 W2 d; x* B" S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 @4 s" L% L* p8 M" K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* p# O/ g. `4 W8 Z) e6 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ A3 K6 ?% n4 @7 O# V. Y( y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% l, {4 z6 u, W" A/ N" G

0 @% `2 ?# X- I. |3 i' u% N9 uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " M5 a1 f1 T9 e9 x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( C4 h6 L. G# f9 u* Q

) |7 Q. G1 H9 Q1 D( o3 S; WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 N9 k; j; W: h) N* a
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# a: v& b" f% ]: E( ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; b& J. ^/ D! }' @. [. T1 V# _- i"不信也沒損失"
$ i& Y. ~! n% j& n6 v2 r( WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." Q  z0 C  s* x7 ~* y& A' d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......( v% W$ \9 U) T$ n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( o; h+ H( ?/ q9 v- D# t* N; C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 p' G  j/ Q! B( G+ w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# _6 \2 I: E) q3 V& h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ N3 M. F6 d" N; j. Z- X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ H4 @* r7 w1 E! _- u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" t- X9 n% T" @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& d2 A  ^# P' h5 c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 G" X7 K$ _1 D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! ^6 [$ E8 ^  @, n' `9 {% H

2 H8 l) k2 {- _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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1 G  \3 \9 c7 _/ i- n. H; Y) Q1 T以下是其他人的見解,
% z1 L% h4 i4 B3 s5 x  O- J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# Q2 m* C8 Q% k1 t# L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" @4 A/ j( [, O

" f& K* T5 {2 _; j$ }4 r5 r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# R0 H5 [) \* y& N- {) I: {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ y  A$ ~. p# M6 J9 m" T.............信耶穌... ...

2 V. Z; q, V3 r) t; cRegarding the resurrection....
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, H# l1 l& v0 OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.