Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 a, N" P; O0 l. y; [9 V" e+ M( w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, S+ u& ]- b0 p5 w( x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 ~. n0 u/ X! l" p* y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 i$ p5 F$ _$ d- T$ q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. k$ I& Z: s: H3 `* ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 l/ [9 P2 B0 r3 z
真的!!這不是反話1 ?% [4 f4 x8 E: P: F* `2 \
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 S2 E0 o$ }% F
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 g! `# ~, {3 u7 w+ w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ @1 Z8 S) f- Z. t% ]. K, J( H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?+ ~% }4 c- u( B: X& d9 S& i  k& W

8 Q0 N2 K+ d6 \4 vJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - `4 ~: D1 K; X' H

, E) T& \) J' t- o5 kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 c  P( p- C7 f0 }& e0 `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) a! G- l$ R; j8 G+ Y9 \4 |
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it's starting because we have sins......, v* E9 x& J# d% G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". U5 P5 l& J- [/ d: m2 i' }& v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 v1 F2 {4 C8 C5 s6 ]1 a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 M4 g; N. {6 n/ }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 z5 V. S6 L( h' s: L2 c0 ~$ T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# R# ]/ t% y; m' G5 O) v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," |- u. f' T" @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 Y4 C$ y: q# Q; A% L, r0 j5 X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 k) l9 ]3 c" T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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7 Y! a# x+ F: Y4 k+ }2 z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% o3 e6 @* L$ J% P/ D/ I, v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 Q) t' z* s: s4 `- Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 |. D& C, o1 D以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& M' F& B  g7 {) H, ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' G1 z# H( u4 p% d) b; ?' I( U" g

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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6 D4 _5 N* J3 p4 ~1 P$ V+ aRegarding the resurrection....0 `6 {) j, ?; g9 A, b, _

; y3 r  g9 ], ^% W3 ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! z& W* N) E* w3 V2 I1 l: }  l# ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.