Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 q9 a: F. Q2 y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 z3 ?: @; J2 h" N5 C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 ~4 ^) x$ A4 J& O道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 _7 O$ c/ Y/ k# C- b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& c4 D1 `1 d5 bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% d" k) x; z. Y9 q1 c. d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; O* t4 v% E; D# F/ ^1 q

% X7 F) O% L+ B- i# k/ x" \+ fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ S, t  m7 @+ s

$ y0 \8 ]4 q/ u" E- rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- z/ N& t) _' w- K" Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 C2 `) A- A2 k/ D3 L4 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 i9 e: _3 B$ }; _真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, Y. N1 o) C: J+ o$ L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, R8 W& _* v% p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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7 m: h# v$ k$ ]; V7 uWhat a statement we have here?- L0 M' O  ~9 A% {( r; J
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 Q$ `5 {  `$ U+ q. _

+ ^6 u1 U. O, j6 i: H- i9 |9 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 I; E* N3 l$ n( _' `
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"6 m: h2 m. |7 |; u8 J, V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' r: P2 ~1 U1 K3 ^) d8 o/ R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 J: ~3 W4 i- l1 o& @, ~* F  i" Ait's starting because we have sins......
# i; x- g& p4 o7 o% r1 |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( y. m2 @9 {7 B9 q+ x) O! ?4 tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 w: e' M" G+ r7 r  h1 I  \) z5 R% G' u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# Q7 v& n( k; U+ y& k/ t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 t9 H, P* U, p- P& \* J: y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 s6 @2 y  a+ T: T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( v7 k' W& t" U" w  T3 p1 E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ V- _2 }% p, K% v6 o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ n! t; N0 e! [" E$ B- R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ R1 {. Z* b5 m% L0 c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; x, r: U, c1 d. x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. a3 t9 S* P9 Z% u/ b* ~宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 O5 ?& z' C( T  p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 ^4 [4 d( x: ]6 x  g9 r% y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ d& E$ B# @9 X

( E3 H1 z5 f2 z以下是其他人的見解,( Z6 v/ A' ^3 m) K+ N$ ^8 K1 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
7 ^, t) P* |1 Q; Z* Shttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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9 m8 ?$ X5 p1 L1 ]2 r[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, w# V% A# ^* t, X; N  z6 `2 V! S

$ ~1 X6 }* N6 i- F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  Q5 g! m4 F& x( _! \" P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 M$ v! Z) m$ V$ S! l
.............信耶穌... ...

8 U- a/ Q+ I! v, e. FRegarding the resurrection....
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3 b( G/ U; ?. K) C9 J2 s; y4 cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... h0 f& ]: Y- K# B- }

+ l7 l) _0 a8 M4 C( O. @3 yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.