Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 Z4 b& ]& y( r9 ^- d5 K! s我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' N5 [8 v5 [3 Q% {9 `0 B& A: s又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, L+ w& F3 D+ Q% ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 r& Y3 z" f6 `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 p. y& v' i* z! R. d7 s

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& L& C- d* i8 b/ V3 H0 T4 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 O1 L: ~- h+ |( _我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 c6 I6 h4 S  P7 N  h
真的!!這不是反話, @6 ?  A3 K, a- X2 {( O5 E8 M- Y
因為我是情感比理性強的人" r% n( |; g8 U3 f5 J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 s+ N) h$ q2 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" G4 k' G& z! H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! ~. n/ l0 v% r1 v( r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 i& }6 u0 s' ~/ y2 N+ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 o* Q( b$ Z$ G1 P5 [

, I+ k& }. x" W9 B2 e9 }7 NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % I" o0 C( C/ d) {0 f5 _/ b

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, r. T" [) d3 x% }- m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. Q+ K; b- j" K* x: J"不信也沒損失"7 ?$ J% o* N6 P5 P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) T, |0 [+ }8 D. ^8 _$ i7 L" {3 m# z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." G+ h# X  ?9 `4 z
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it's starting because we have sins......4 E' f, P( N% Y. n7 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ k( V1 s" I2 W* s. z3 i2 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ ~6 A! d7 H7 Z# _* t6 h
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ q0 s' v) Y( q) q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- ^: _$ ~" L9 P" x8 q4 N0 R3 X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 T4 U6 [7 E3 \; q$ q! ?9 Q; }4 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% x4 I" m# F$ x7 t- I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 K. _$ p# C5 S" v5 f8 e' o2 e. E以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 {" P2 V7 t' u: t" k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) L+ P4 S; R  Q$ _

, L! [0 e4 E; a) f" O- E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 G8 K4 ~) ?: G9 C- d

5 b( o2 k/ Z  M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* p  I" D1 Z1 h) Y" J  N
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( T2 ?% y8 k& D. ?# ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 _" O8 u! I- c9 A# V' I0 v% EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.