Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- [+ @6 H& J& o. F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: J8 B: ?6 p( `  H- q0 E  z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ _$ ?  _' C, z7 N; u$ R$ ~# Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到- Q8 o1 D* o( {$ T# \6 |3 Z9 I! L( T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" W2 o/ K5 @3 L( u* u6 r- A/ t3 mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& \7 w$ O, w. M8 i8 x7 b. O) d2 X' d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... X8 |* d/ D* H" j( U6 x

5 F# Z) n- ?& f: o: hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 g  x. Z2 Y* x+ F. q! X7 sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' h; N/ B* e/ @7 [8 [0 l" L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 P3 ^/ I$ T1 N) n- f0 m' ?8 }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  ?" a6 A  l$ F$ Y7 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! U4 R' n# Z8 Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 E: V3 b) h0 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" w$ P1 }5 E+ g& F) P, V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ d8 T/ T! z6 Y, ~
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( z. L4 o& Y1 J# n
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ V- |8 w; y/ J7 q1 XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' e! \8 x# n  F* ^' X  c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 q, M, _5 h. `: j! W

1 Y7 U( {7 I. Pit's starting because we have sins......3 A9 r! o8 P: R; {1 L3 \! g" J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   H/ o0 ?: E6 Z2 [, v, P+ b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- E; e! m( p+ b5 S# f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 V1 k' t; ?. R4 M% P& ^$ ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 t2 ~( L3 U# Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 \  p' T/ p# u3 c! s4 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% X2 b1 q3 k3 [% y1 E$ n& x2 h9 |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% t7 P8 Z) D" U9 C6 i3 C! D/ X
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' N$ J5 F' |* l

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- k% V5 s: l' V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 \' O: d" @% `. s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* h7 Z8 t6 d5 ?以下是其他人的見解,
/ B  g4 y0 R# R' j- N! T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 b9 P9 _' B$ b0 O

7 q7 o* n9 y6 _: e' ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. \2 N9 N1 n4 k; E" {0 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 N( r$ s: U9 l$ v9 t2 T) }

4 Q3 M  o7 m! Y. b4 V6 D# ]$ O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! Y# m: N8 Y+ D$ \' D; E.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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4 z  c0 I$ m" r9 s0 j* GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ B4 k( B* I- V$ @# B
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.