Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 N" {2 Q- g  f我係一個連自己都吳信的人
- F. P8 `  v2 ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 P: w- P( [. p8 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ e$ h/ ~& C* R+ @/ a) l* {+ ]! c) Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ m+ {& Z3 L& J: d: Y

% h( c; Z: A/ i! ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 w7 x6 o/ O0 z- q  C- Z4 j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& }4 P7 C' q: f3 e6 E% `) s. q& f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# t' X8 u4 S- s, I9 C1 z; F, w我只不過微小的基督徒...................& S7 s& _/ g7 K. u( a2 W" @
真的!!這不是反話* C9 x, b( \& F& i' p% H* r
因為我是情感比理性強的人
- i" j# c& @, m7 t4 I1 F+ f所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ t8 k( X) y( k8 v9 ~' w9 {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# y- L) {( A0 Y$ o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, Y; |4 F) o' v4 x  F5 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, E# e1 d; C6 s6 H. K
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , _$ M9 m; V* v. R' P( _
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* G( h" r4 Z* @  ~) d! K. h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 P1 R; U3 |( ?7 _; b"不信也沒損失"
; |/ @, e' U+ ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 y2 r: }- |2 W- U+ M$ c5 J: B2 b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 x! |- }' v4 I/ a6 c) h
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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0 j! a: Y6 `4 M4 f* w0 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. C" T, W: O, R+ A2 j* r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 o0 u/ w: Y; Z; Q' G. D/ t; x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 H! R) I' c# C, O" y/ i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! o- m- I2 G$ Z+ C( Q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* p7 ^; R4 j5 s& s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 s% X4 j% c3 c, `0 D9 U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 [! T+ a# @8 m: _- ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- }1 t9 [9 {- F+ |8 d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 K) J$ E% m. p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 K8 f& H: \; b' s7 e2 T2 m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 ^+ @7 R# V! [$ R, j: [

: V* E; ?; r! r以下是其他人的見解,3 _& f; E* m; S# [4 H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; b# v( B+ o7 J  k" i0 C/ L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 J: C5 m# c, l$ v( |/ P% g7 {
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, q) o- I- {; t' @% o+ l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 O  A1 _0 D2 V% w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 U6 Z6 K# e: V6 \
.............信耶穌... ...

+ k5 r" N9 L) @% iRegarding the resurrection....' D  k* }* s( E! h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ i; O; @4 T! `) o5 j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.