Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# k" a& P: b, R# S1 j! G/ b# E0 ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, r0 [/ z4 n' ]& p$ y5 @6 r- w' G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" q; K( e' j1 H1 b' n
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ g& d7 Q0 v! |, ]8 v& t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 q" }; ?  S# w& V" ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; i) Z& m; m; X; d$ _/ j0 I

0 X! c% \! k6 s  r5 G  B* ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) x9 B5 g) N" J; G% `) G
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 [# m9 m& W5 ~9 d5 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 @! i( }: \: E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  S# g4 K/ `/ I% R# @7 w" Y* m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 S, T- j  U4 s8 G+ K2 M  R, D9 d因為我是情感比理性強的人$ {) _8 v7 ?2 M% b: t% R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; X' y; ~/ j/ h1 V5 d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 e8 C, G: Y2 }3 H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 g% r# F1 R' Y+ w1 C9 t8 L

  f$ M) Q2 P" x7 S! Q+ B  q) hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + ]3 w4 a/ O2 }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, w8 g2 e% k# L7 D% e) P0 |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ |" x$ s- Z$ k1 F) w" A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* x. e( @/ M& u% {6 p# H/ H6 C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 r% k7 B. I; C* y* m  zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 E5 e# b9 C/ K' P& H; l: d

" j9 W$ U: u1 {: p7 ~6 |; \# K, [it's starting because we have sins......
1 x, T: A. ^/ K& x6 Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 f: r. w0 ~- D/ m) W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 X7 [, n, U* |8 N: d
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 Z4 F: R1 f, i$ w/ i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' n+ o! [; M. w7 C! b% i, W% D+ X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ [) h; }2 s7 s1 r# H1 `# t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; p* _1 d& ]2 e5 N' u9 J5 p+ F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 L5 ^# S% Q6 z2 ^9 U5 p1 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 p/ `/ L: u" p. o2 b改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& |( P' m. l- K+ d4 \- U( b6 B, ^  p" l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,% l6 y; P, a% c, P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ R( ^4 A7 |5 r# R+ _

3 M& Z, c3 L# ]3 h0 V% s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) r& p, x6 B$ r6 k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. j3 e& p, b7 p" L.............信耶穌... ...

9 q7 B9 S* V! @! j" \Regarding the resurrection....& K1 {6 w9 E- e

; n# |  `1 [6 a1 OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& w2 M$ }* e. X6 Q

4 T$ y' d% y) r  g0 n  |$ mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.