Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 O( @- o* K; n1 E. G; m. W4 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' C; n8 k6 k3 F5 C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 |8 _& G8 f0 J: y1 v1 m0 U' y7 E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 T: w; q+ H: {% O. jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ u7 u8 d  T# x4 R( p5 p! a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  G+ ~' T- s) S$ _真的!!這不是反話8 L8 e4 k1 x' T: r
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 h$ T- A0 A$ ^4 Y" h$ z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( o6 E" Y: o/ V0 d- p0 k5 b) t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ J3 p8 M3 {/ C4 j( [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 B2 H; I# q( d; j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  O$ o$ J6 T* s& C6 N1 s: `) y# w5 cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 h. f& Y) o( s- H( W) V4 k- X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! m/ K0 d: v: c; y. N5 H; b0 b
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: c/ K, y4 }7 B8 G
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ t; f2 |3 m6 f: j5 ?1 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 b- x2 F' F! f. d; z4 R! g4 V$ b"不信也沒損失"
: H4 T* h$ I/ i/ G7 e3 z* X, FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- j" a& G- Q  M- ]' sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....... R' f' G3 I: g2 S: y8 w% i- X. X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . d% ^+ Z2 o0 \$ q7 n/ C8 x$ M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ m) O* V  L" a# M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# S( \& U; ~$ {( N' n2 @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 h. L4 @2 T. g9 L" F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 N% \& J0 k8 i$ q- X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( }& ?$ l& f, l9 Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, @. v8 L; Y6 z

, H3 f* `5 L+ Q: b4 A1 q0 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 f; q' z/ t/ N2 p0 Z# @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ v- `6 ^/ N% r/ c+ q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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) [$ h8 p& b5 s3 W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 N2 G5 `7 p  j* X. ^+ r: P宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% c4 t% e& V; e/ i/ d0 o1 Y) p* B7 T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; ~8 g! a$ N5 I& ^" @) W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ s( B+ r2 w) X5 Y

8 D$ d+ |% C7 T+ p  U以下是其他人的見解,( V! i0 Y7 O5 G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& l2 t8 w' @/ s% i& K
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: O& K5 E+ m/ S

+ p0 t% h# _' @+ c1 {  O5 [- [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: I* Y1 t' c4 o# H. v.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# I  i+ e6 A7 |& A1 C+ g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ e( e% M5 p' O, V( z3 Z8 D/ C, \

  ^$ B) T: e- x2 F) t* {/ ~$ tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.