Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; k& ^9 k9 u5 {) v7 \7 g! \: ~; P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- D5 o( E- s( P4 `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 [% b$ g: A4 y7 @; l9 t) U) c道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ {6 M; T, ?/ ]. b$ n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 _' f0 A6 ]  q: y# W0 ]! _7 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  }. L! V( w) @1 g: n1 {5 I
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! s, S( S/ l, @8 Y9 k- }9 S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 w8 R; h! ^: m2 b% Y% r! I9 `; Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: M/ f; y- }3 i) Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' I, p% ^6 r- z3 `" @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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& ^& B5 |5 M1 Y; j  b7 v9 F; t* s; SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - _  x2 w5 ?$ F  R( N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* K) _+ k6 G6 J/ D5 g* d* t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: E8 j: t8 i# U5 @% x' V6 R
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: m: s! v& C' j5 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 ~4 i. `9 i2 P"不信也沒損失". j0 {6 a+ X. z8 Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......- \% I+ w% J4 G; m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 T" Q( G* U/ Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 P& t: m4 c" g% i( E% d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ Y1 s. ]/ g$ G  ~; E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: z& n/ _" s# g: M. X8 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, S$ E& i# P. @" a6 S+ r7 |- B% n

! m* M( ]+ C" g0 d; H1 r! _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' ^$ R( Z. _4 T: s) @- G6 M( B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 V6 k" f5 m1 x* C

: V: [( R$ E1 D8 K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  p+ e1 x+ i: r0 z; l* r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" i3 Z9 K% @7 [) i/ n! z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ J, z( [; Y! B6 ?0 D; L1 M4 ]2 g$ h0 Q$ A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 J+ e8 X& f; q8 ]; c3 C

/ }; v) X7 S  h以下是其他人的見解,$ `1 s2 W$ P0 s0 @; ~8 ]4 a$ s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! o3 `8 Q, Q! u; J' u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, `# K2 R# d* b0 b
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 h6 q* q: m- H3 C; P# i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- ~+ ?/ W0 ?7 O# B4 ^9 B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) [6 Q  p& |  E( j; Q4 B: e$ A

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 D( O& d, n$ s5 @2 h7 }. o! }' k9 y.............信耶穌... ...

5 p" c% F8 T; w* KRegarding the resurrection....
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2 U1 Q5 n2 C2 oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.