Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; ]8 {5 a, D& W2 w, v/ P4 t- V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, y- i3 o( O/ M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- I3 s3 @3 M- i) imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 a0 A, j$ F1 u& ^6 estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  |6 r* z. X& jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 g7 U9 O' v! P- X7 ~* n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# f* q" j. l7 k! E# _1 o; C
真的!!這不是反話7 ~7 n: @& Q- z8 {( Z5 m0 B
因為我是情感比理性強的人* h% \0 r6 o3 \- Z) Y+ {5 b0 x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% ?& e) ~, z" ^! Y; t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 [! h+ z) \  y6 A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% `9 r* L  K* a# k9 Q. V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  E  m: b! c9 {1 d# N& A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) }) I7 U+ D3 k5 H5 f$ n) e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 a0 @2 \% j# t; [6 d

- p9 @* K+ a, b$ QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' }) U( ~! }. D' X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, \; p7 ]8 p  G; x3 u5 t0 N7 V$ x) e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- |) C* u) c8 g8 J) {/ J5 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; S' J1 O  J3 D: M! A; m9 T) g9 I" n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ |4 i4 S% q5 J- t( Hit's starting because we have sins......
, G* j4 v6 L4 {" x; e4 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 D0 A, L2 H& C3 i  L* {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 v5 Y) R* g# m1 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. i' q2 O7 @* O! b' _* V1 _) C: q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 }9 |' R6 ]  `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! ~4 L* i; C- f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 |2 B: m  Q* [9 g. ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ X3 X' M& p) h3 H. S. R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," T/ F/ b" R' f/ B5 R! U: }. A

! U$ m9 H2 L* J9 i6 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% J9 [( n' ?1 \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ b: Q5 `' H6 H, }& H1 ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 Y2 V" c; Q, X: ~2 E3 Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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' i. h' E; {, ^: U4 u/ |, L: Q以下是其他人的見解,: u; X( E8 y. L0 t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 ?' D  `5 @$ |
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! I' M4 I) e4 K. z3 z  L3 t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 R% ~# o5 T: G8 ~

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 z! n" j+ n5 v2 |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 C, v; I* T7 s+ R9 J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.