Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ e, T6 q, n- Z* o5 j2 R- w7 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; Q7 H! l) f) y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 b0 K; h. n7 |  |! u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ z7 {9 p' v$ J2 r/ d/ G呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; z  g: k. y* Z! x' @2 a
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 H9 l- c- n+ m; B) S3 r* g% Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! z# a# v3 c! h: Q7 bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 B: ~. h2 T& T8 e( M我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 {! G# G7 u+ A& \
真的!!這不是反話0 Y2 C2 m% P8 C
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 V+ T+ s, I! y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. O1 i; ?. q( B% V* M4 H4 `# U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 r7 E" n; h. j2 z* s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 @& a0 I( _1 m- A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. F" w& q& N' a, y8 h* ]& v

5 F/ B% k/ D% G5 I4 ~! C5 j: SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 r( O. J9 H9 J# X+ l( M/ kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! H- V# i: h# U; h0 B( |2 SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" G8 Z4 n+ B* S0 W$ }! }

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# u& }4 N1 p8 Y9 k- i' F$ o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 a$ p2 y+ O  q- r"不信也沒損失"
! `- E, }1 W# ]6 i* v' aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 T, L  c4 n9 u% e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ [" n4 C5 {; g  Z( Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 k, N9 |# {0 S: W3 _3 b6 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 J: y1 J8 E! A/ a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ X1 i; S9 ]. Z" ~5 A0 [) T% J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) N+ f6 c8 A4 ^  e* M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* ^7 f0 u5 {/ ~8 E, v' d0 V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 ?# H- I% k7 e1 m" g8 d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- V& U4 R+ J; q! u$ v6 x4 f/ |
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ E$ \; [. W8 N5 `' e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 K2 O* K" o% g, T- O# ?/ J- {6 D

& }$ K7 @: \$ p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 p( z/ ^, X6 S  _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( C% w- |9 `& m& K7 a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 M6 x4 i: f& a2 W) Z+ m
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' e+ j, R) \4 f/ d- c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) [. T9 f& K) H. R+ F
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以下是其他人的見解,$ A" }# H* I0 V  b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) Z5 M/ Q% r2 W
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 e( j* b) Z0 s5 I

( S' ^0 ]/ _& F7 p: |. q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 U' }# H, K( q! q8 V6 q

+ `- R  }2 c0 R& Z* a2 I+ H- i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ y+ J$ s! K% t1 g" h- t+ z$ _' o. `2 I! ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, @/ H1 h, l' i: v

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 \5 L, s( @( b. C# Q% z
.............信耶穌... ...

$ h4 v# }; I& rRegarding the resurrection..../ u9 Y" Y( J5 u8 f5 z

2 C4 r( p9 p# ~* V1 bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 t% f8 j& n6 w7 {4 A! H& T9 Y: t/ A6 ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.