Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 ^) }( d6 T9 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. g9 [# j( s. n5 [3 _1 a9 g9 N+ aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 [& s- P% i- z7 s; I, @8 f' ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; g* D! r3 n- s8 O% h9 N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 _/ j) t, ]8 S, u! E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 {! c1 G7 k0 z: R0 x我只不過微小的基督徒...................- E$ M7 \: j0 A  P/ J% E: g! m( I
真的!!這不是反話* Z8 g, l; Q3 N3 I" \
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 x4 _# W' p) y. v! g# ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ u. _+ v) ?3 p2 S8 B7 `9 D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& Q8 f' [2 O! S# t3 ^9 Z: S- ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" }% ]* T1 x* @2 B# D/ T* l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 M7 Y1 |8 \# N" k

9 o" y( j) ?0 B% [3 K) W& ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : M( T; `+ U1 P( l7 c, {+ b8 x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 F# f5 |$ _+ N' |8 K0 E5 {

+ D! O' F( s0 f! e# i! GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& ]* l4 V. I( x2 C1 `" Q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( R# f9 x1 W9 J& N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 T3 v2 z# Q8 U  ?1 U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 _) g$ N% Y* }7 Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......9 h1 n. u$ a! l& G+ ~9 K2 _' V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) f3 j! ~( }# `; j5 I+ ?4 m3 r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 _6 X- u4 g* U6 `# G! o$ x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" A, @9 s$ K; P& P+ J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; H! l3 c/ `% G# y0 E" V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 x( e) t7 a9 H- s: l
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 L: K% ]% b' |- q- J, E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
  M3 |& p, V/ V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
' W8 F4 A7 K' thttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( S4 d* x! `1 u, |: t. A$ H3 Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 J+ ~/ _+ h  \( j, d# P( _

; X4 j2 f- i7 L) ?9 k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  R  s: x) d. |+ \: W
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ v$ k. {1 G) b& ~7 V" W" E

8 S2 `, z  N, ~3 {* T2 A3 \( {) y- ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.