Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; S/ x3 s6 E+ `我係一個連自己都吳信的人. `8 A1 r( X( X9 z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ ^% g9 K* L! o# F道理我知道好多只係做吳到' @; {& a' A" m- `8 D& ^8 D' K( I5 [0 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 G& y5 w  r: b5 r' {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: |6 f! b; r  t! {+ j, Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& B) r! G  _" t: w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 t! @, n, w, i
真的!!這不是反話; r1 q! R$ V  t6 L/ l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 _+ R) a# X* W0 n% ^! C5 @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 u& \- r& k0 E/ U3 C1 L7 ?- m8 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; O+ C4 }' x. `% [2 U9 ^% D# r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - t( q+ i7 E8 M/ d; E: d1 g

2 h6 ^/ m6 o; w* eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ s! z; y) L8 N" x1 N0 z, q. RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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* g1 N! l2 q& `7 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; c; E$ O, I$ p5 [5 D" Z* L, x

- Y- [! l. h$ d$ n- \% Zit's starting because we have sins......
+ s0 l0 z6 }) b* U* ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! r( J- x( c9 @. V& O6 B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ W/ F( l" c0 |$ P, t: Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' N! x7 G' N+ k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; }# b( |) h8 Q* n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* \3 {4 H# s, G8 `# Q9 |% F; x( W0 T, t( j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# L4 e1 q" m! f" _, q, R9 m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,' W7 H( {+ A! C% D$ C  H0 E8 s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 C# c$ B1 w# E6 e* ^/ b0 ]. ]5 W

; k$ E) h. ]8 f0 q0 P/ i1 i, O- T& c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 v7 ]# z% ?" w0 q" C/ B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! F* m, {9 O* Q; R9 \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  a2 Q" q" P  J9 ]7 L

& H1 Q! q$ `. D( D8 y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 k% g! Q6 w+ n9 M3 {
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, L6 g* }' M" f. c: m) tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' v( u4 y; J8 B5 f1 h+ z

3 Q+ Z, [- G( y7 ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.