Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, }( i' P9 A4 n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 O$ x3 u5 \$ r+ u) O% @; T& U7 i& J) L; G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ w3 }, y! g* _; j道理我知道好多只係做吳到" }) |4 W. c( v6 e" E$ R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 N. H6 g' t* b- }# fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 D0 }8 F1 }8 p& I* Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ c; k& @9 Y6 I  N3 s0 c/ r# {2 h/ g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# z" Y4 k, x& h我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# H0 d; N8 H2 I: j真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ Y" x. p  v  f# `2 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 ?. [" s/ ?( ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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& {% K8 F7 r$ _' \# x1 s5 a  vWhat a statement we have here?  h* a' z/ ?  Q7 i$ A/ X8 B

3 R* b" N* t! j! \5 PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 M# _# I% p% [) Z) aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 l% |) d# d8 v* x  m: Z/ MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"4 W. N+ F9 z, Q' K1 j" {; ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......: d. K. f& }: L! @, v. r8 @  S6 X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! X" |; J8 R2 ?; Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! o/ f/ G6 O8 r9 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* o+ Q! P$ e1 t# `4 D; d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ }: X+ d2 ?) v$ H2 I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 {4 v# J# D2 t  P, g2 P9 I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 Z1 n; j$ X/ h/ Z  F# s  \* i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 }2 B+ r7 Z1 ?  s1 ?5 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ `/ D$ B8 {: a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: X, ^, A8 O1 m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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6 w' N7 I: w2 a: ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# l# r2 P' r& I$ G& Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% P2 l  s5 ]; \) `+ z
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以下是其他人的見解,0 c  |# i3 o' @3 [* _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ f0 S! f6 h  f# o: b
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, I! Z, Q/ x: L+ a* }1 E& _& Q- X; H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* |6 L: B1 p: D* s, Z0 O
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: ]9 l% ^  F& A& _.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 i% c/ y. q$ B, y/ Z- h" QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 \" r& Y. J' t5 ~& D: KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.