Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 ~7 i: S8 r2 e* u1 f/ l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- q) c( P# @2 W9 i4 k6 z% N道理我知道好多只係做吳到% V  p: W2 N7 P% E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# B/ N2 @  P2 f7 k1 V; Q. |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- h; b: l8 l% F+ @3 ~$ z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  V7 K4 w, [# o# [2 n0 Y7 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 R' Y8 q: |  U7 Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  \7 O% s( [! Y; T/ d/ L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ |" c0 N  F! U% S4 ~5 L

. Y- U# H5 f. \2 X+ R( L9 c$ `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. l( u4 _7 |* p# r* Y* Y

$ s  {  [( }' u4 e! A. BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ {& }" F8 b# C' H# L" S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" b! @" S# i+ d% Z/ `$ ^7 m" i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ z% r- C' a2 Z# N+ R$ s- I"不信也沒損失"1 L; B. ~1 j8 J7 m* L9 h$ x( ~3 O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% f: x+ W) |0 }1 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% i+ f6 ]8 E# `  i% cit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 G+ I, G2 w1 L: y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 {6 @( ?$ V$ X1 A. ^  D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! L9 L+ H% h! ^2 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# O- X- g' N9 t1 y% x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 W6 L3 k  W& a( Y) h  y5 l* N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! B3 y' f& v6 c0 M0 I% q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 M1 s- [/ I8 T3 O+ d. g7 B' m( X* d以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 y9 R7 ^3 b: G* c. w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* X! f9 z# r- t  a; C" s
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 ^$ r0 Z* z$ ?
.............信耶穌... ...

4 O- v( i  o8 N& XRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.