Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, B/ p' e. C: D# h  q6 J. h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" h1 a* u6 e$ a) ?& G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& f+ W, c, l- I" ~" Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到# b1 g9 u/ ]  F2 j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% z5 W5 l8 ?( v4 L/ Z  wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& [/ R0 P+ N2 ]; \6 zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. u+ v5 ~" C, j. S9 q& z* X5 E9 k) @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  ~! N* f' A5 Q. s. ]4 u9 M  i我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 Z$ @! g8 r! E& t  g! Y真的!!這不是反話
) j- t- H& G# T4 i4 @/ _因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 B9 {5 [7 d' |5 w所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' \7 j+ D7 n$ e( r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! ?( S, ^4 j* p+ z7 r% O8 l7 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! L  m# g% s7 b5 G* c- w5 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 W  A2 H- J: `) _/ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 f5 `8 n! t* {- }! w7 g$ P- H; X6 lWhat a statement we have here?, M# z7 d# A; Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ G- ~+ a: t1 L3 f, I/ D7 G8 m: H

* ~- g$ }' [" d; T! Y# |" K+ E- MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., j4 g5 ~: Z6 @' ]" ~  d) n

2 G' F' Z5 T0 Z* C" o3 b1 I9 J' hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 a7 X; Q" {) L  q7 ]6 Q4 l
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' U& R6 a1 t# B3 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  y! ]: S' O+ _( J( _! `"不信也沒損失"* L1 [& Q( o0 i! w7 C1 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* u) i7 T5 V. K# i
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' D( u8 ?) ?- i! b; ]" g0 s
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 i' b' g! p/ Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 D" q& {1 r- A& W( R) k! p) dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( d/ f- S/ A% W% N+ ~5 L. K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 M8 I9 V* M8 Y# M$ M( C* G. e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ o0 I: p1 p: O: b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" ?8 ^4 W( k# ?" `  K2 B, q$ b1 s
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! L6 `9 y5 ~/ w" p2 Z- S& ~: Q, C2 d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& W) k) T6 _: k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 c5 S* T. j2 E& c4 v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, m7 V$ S/ r  \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; d' f3 p1 ~4 W1 q

/ _, }) V( I% x1 g' v% D) w. O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- {6 {$ K* U4 M7 f  h. Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- D" I8 q6 w8 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  G# e+ F) ?  G* [2 \2 s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. m/ D5 a0 }, Z  _6 [# y; c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 c; ?# D" M& T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 W1 z5 Q1 d  P( }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., ]1 O1 ~* ]- V' W7 z( T
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 o6 V2 ], q. a0 T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.