Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' D4 ^" l$ A- _1 C% \- ]% P我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 c1 Z$ O; ?  S  J0 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% X( l7 F% W1 H/ x* g道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ n  t1 w. E+ e) Q- b7 q) R, [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ A  n7 {. W* y( |: oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 n: T; z, b( W9 e* Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' ^9 i$ n) N- A1 ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人% e( {7 ]/ |, ?1 }) T6 U. J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ O" ^( c' f- [$ _; x2 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," w( a4 _1 _  x) @+ G( _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 C# ^* M$ A+ [* Q& Y0 b+ f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# [$ A4 x4 {; M! c1 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " H3 t' C1 B5 h1 V8 R3 [
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& r4 Z. [- g' T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" h/ q8 e6 w' Z0 n2 U"不信也沒損失"2 K- q$ s  V% b4 y/ K, z' R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 z5 Q% @! w0 w. q) E9 z; i7 @- |8 _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- ~( Y6 j0 l2 r- v9 \" L) T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 A; d( Z% O9 c* `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ K; z6 z# V) h/ H6 d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; \0 O2 [+ G5 R9 c" w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 ?' Q3 L8 T$ m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' Y' ]8 H0 E) `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- O& l1 W8 i- E3 W1 f% L+ [! I0 X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 }. K; h6 _; Z! g* _0 Z, c6 Q% d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 n+ g9 P% |8 d& `6 x9 R8 S好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* `1 N" N2 j  l6 v' ^

2 e+ g, Y2 v" {0 _$ P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ X: f5 A1 H6 r9 A* }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ N- j; ]! @; u" j" C. w

/ X' \  o6 z" ~8 y$ }# n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: F4 Z* D& Z8 A% {$ l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 c" `( t% q& J6 y* @8 s" e

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4 i' T# y+ Z* T. g, c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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2 x+ x2 y" z% y6 x8 Z; T( r( Y, V[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 X- Q0 D& p4 s5 B

; }2 n3 q5 {" H  D4 u3 @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& d& a$ v( ]& k  e& \+ s3 `.............信耶穌... ...

2 T: q( C) F' u2 mRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 @1 A  M# I. ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.