Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; o: S* D- t( j. H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 Q% S+ M8 l* U' [7 Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ }% X6 t) d8 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 \* k1 a6 m# H3 @' J呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 S/ v9 e! p3 b: j% ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ q! U8 ?5 M3 d- b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& H+ r- i! `5 U, j) ]* ?2 N! Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: |# e, ^0 u# Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ l8 A; z1 U0 V- K' e" d/ Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 n- {% x& H/ @( c. F+ N' `- K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' x+ |' D% u6 A; w( y# G
真的!!這不是反話2 W0 Z" a) w+ b  a0 S8 @
因為我是情感比理性強的人) l6 @0 C* p! f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: c! x3 F1 p  H  @9 Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% d5 @5 I# e, x% o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( u9 o* c* z5 t; J8 l( M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 e% y3 x( S7 D* {* {4 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# o# I; I. q! `+ R; Z" ^8 ?What a statement we have here?. }$ H! b" ^) x& w$ N( }- q, I4 p
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ J& _6 {( s- Q3 p0 ?7 T: u
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 c1 ?* J5 o/ a  B1 @) V6 ?3 R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 k* D- z0 }. f, p; {9 Q- {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- s# X4 ^6 ~$ r  x8 V2 A" c# e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 X5 V5 e! g' }. v4 M# o0 D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......# g* }6 R8 w8 N; H/ [1 _4 n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% M( L7 V; D6 J! h# a/ S; Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ x2 x) l) ]; A+ N# U$ r* I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ Y0 {% b) D/ j! o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' \4 K, p& U$ P6 Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. j0 U5 C/ X7 C; b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 b8 u0 U2 R: {; S$ z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. K4 F% |% l. ^& N

  t2 E* I# F! N1 o. @% U  P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' K$ ]; b( r8 t2 ]: i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ [! A; H5 K+ C* K% C6 T8 C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% o1 O) O) w! f  o- z1 s改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: w% B* U5 Y- v( T$ J; \+ J- l) H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ X4 W$ I0 `) v9 r! g宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% |* x& Z& z4 v2 s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 z9 h) k8 p6 P) V

$ d& d5 |. A& h6 K以下是其他人的見解,. i" o; }9 _7 e; a# Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# C& i$ U0 u; i; ?
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; k- a1 `6 @5 W

& `3 h# R+ W5 M7 r, K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, B! G3 S, ?8 X& R& t

# q( ]! x" e9 C4 }! N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! f7 y1 X" O, i$ W5 P) V0 G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, i7 J: {$ f" z/ ?8 Z, V& P

$ Z: [+ p1 O4 C8 u( V( i0 e3 m1 A2 H同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! U: }$ R/ a7 S& D6 L
.............信耶穌... ...

& R4 D" X) L7 C7 L+ |Regarding the resurrection....+ A* }& H7 P. J1 y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.