Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  {$ U* C, M  ^8 m3 N  D5 N
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
- |2 X* _- S' h! d& @9 N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 L2 d! \. t* A6 @* k9 [6 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; Q' N4 n: O; c5 w) T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" U" F$ Q7 o" ]! wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* v* }/ o) t8 W. K* @+ M

" ~( p0 N) z9 J+ A. L$ k( ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; b/ o& j9 w/ `! ?& \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 X, U9 f3 D0 ~. S( f' ]
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 N$ ~* _4 m6 @& `6 B$ k, X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- |3 O9 P% F! O( i5 v( n! t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人& x( w$ B( {* q6 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& I2 Q$ r* [/ K  j. Z1 U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! J. m9 F- |1 W* V8 J8 b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& a: Z& z% ~# S* p% _# D4 l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' l) ^( L+ h' u! _* n. I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& p: ~! a/ e2 }, h: kWhat a statement we have here?# b5 |6 h( U, j9 g3 x. V

  d" x2 e+ c3 b0 h9 d3 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . L5 E  m9 z8 Z' Q" d5 E% O

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; E4 S( X5 J6 s; T4 k; i
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" X# h3 e8 e2 s6 J2 y8 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- d2 l1 [3 N& B% T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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0 d9 B5 ~1 n2 D" N% Jit's starting because we have sins......' K2 G7 V& J8 i5 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: F  P$ E% v8 O' h9 [. C3 L8 Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ g8 v3 x" |4 w% F3 `- g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# ?: W* N9 D8 w; a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% g: S* q" W" Y2 @. C& M  i8 `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( y; S: P9 g* B7 x# a: }4 y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' ?( X( _: h6 T( L- P/ D' F/ R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; e5 W6 h0 p7 Q8 J/ W9 o* R# d/ n9 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 @( A1 a+ o3 B4 s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  f" d! z* x/ _: T9 e2 y% {) A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  o( |. q3 }7 P: ]8 m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) X5 x* @2 ^* n2 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 Z! j! w* i4 g, d9 N0 F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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5 f3 b0 @0 v" `1 a2 e. F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 k% x- I8 h8 u) c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! Q2 D9 H6 Q& k- K$ f, k7 v.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 c2 {, D/ R! n) {/ c+ v# A+ p5 O

, m5 ]2 \2 T. yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 B' g# \, H6 a5 F+ u# d- X

) h, L- N! K7 e# _' {% _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.