Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 b" [( C1 X. @: L' A' D! K. k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( x3 W/ D3 I4 p7 D2 O7 B' r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; k' z5 ]: ]# A; J/ q道理我知道好多只係做吳到; F* j6 X" Y3 H6 p2 {/ B& [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 S7 [1 p5 T4 Z5 n# t% m2 G
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... d) ]; U/ s0 B* ^5 l2 j/ Q7 ]" G

' o# J  K0 R- X- Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., {. j9 L! d4 s! t+ f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
- b: w% }4 W5 s" W6 d因為我是情感比理性強的人7 y) g: @1 m9 J* [0 _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 l& J" q) Y  R4 w; c4 W- c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ m' f( `# F" f( F0 i+ c' P, d/ R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 ~" `/ |# W6 I: o) h1 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( H# Q* p9 z. a; N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 M8 L- h7 j8 s3 iWhat a statement we have here?
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! p7 K5 G: N* G$ y. j$ P5 H3 RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , I: a  N/ X3 G# ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 V. }' _  A: k# n2 D9 m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) p1 e8 }' q4 ^$ R, q) ]; ^6 U" mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 e5 E$ A, u# M, _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* P% T- ?3 ^( T3 p
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it's starting because we have sins....... e& U% @+ g" i$ X1 M9 K- o* k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 r: ^5 [5 m  h  ?, b  Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- S# v! ?- v) N( z0 D! M: C5 \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 C! J( b* e) |* ~" t. m. |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 n* Q6 u  c3 `7 {' t! Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! N2 ^* R4 z8 x" `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. e. Q" C2 ^) S' G2 w# Z: d4 w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& a6 \+ z/ h- u4 N5 b5 K

# W3 _' S$ ^) H' L4 A" W: }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! H1 R( h6 C& \* k; ~% Y& ^) C3 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 v$ r) [) ^/ w& \

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 E' ?/ H7 B4 K; A- e# s; G; G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# {! k; [  G! q以下是其他人的見解,  ~! B* ~: s! N* g3 }3 o9 @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( x* f6 e0 b& ^" v, n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm6 W3 m, g/ g3 q- c  W
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 R5 u; ^: k+ G7 p

3 \0 V6 Q3 x7 ^0 r* p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 N+ i' A0 b$ K, O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! Q6 F$ \& Z( ~2 k9 {, ^; ~3 l同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" S, s; C/ w( ]! u  @. l; t7 G.............信耶穌... ...

+ a2 l2 R( T" |* q% WRegarding the resurrection....! V  p/ [% I& q' \

2 a; ~6 T7 a/ g9 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 T( d8 w4 @3 w1 u* e; l% v# r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.