Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! S2 g, f, {2 X2 s" L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ O9 |( e( `% a* M) U" o9 L; E" w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ {+ |; j. w$ a+ `3 ?2 W道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 U3 R9 h- z; [$ T# \5 ?' Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& M+ q" T( @5 C* _5 Q9 G# k
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# N1 g+ |2 ]9 i" j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ A- [6 ~$ T8 C( K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& ~. G  W! S) j2 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* a  }" K% c' \) X: T3 x
真的!!這不是反話0 Y) S6 n* S9 {6 _5 h
因為我是情感比理性強的人, O( q& v( |3 t& S9 p* x2 F/ p# H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 [' h! v7 E4 i/ N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ w$ J1 R. [+ O* S* `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ v  S# t' G: j# f  l- |
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?$ }3 I  J6 G( k5 K- E& J& Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ N; b& t7 k( R$ g1 L/ b
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 B3 a" z1 X$ L; N9 B% p$ D' V5 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( b* s8 ^! N- m# S* ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- G% R9 P7 @9 W% \* Iit's starting because we have sins......  y) M, p. S0 S# j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! L8 Q8 P# J7 n) J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ B' U  e* W" V( G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& A: U7 i1 ?! _, m* H" B* z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 K$ I. I- t" b/ U3 X- g! u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' ~; d: L# y6 Q: j6 N$ L" n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% U8 t2 [& x6 @0 d/ ~' K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; \! r( z2 S2 Y( ?$ F6 d5 U. h

( P& Y& r9 d: I6 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 V2 R+ ^9 l. j& T, b: G5 j8 P6 T! f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 y( L: Q4 ]6 p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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( `6 @3 L3 v4 z/ t6 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" t+ F0 l+ N# L2 W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 a2 w+ @5 A7 T% ^

0 M2 A0 u+ Y! @9 @0 H7 S以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  B, ~1 u/ j+ K, Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% z3 c2 R, o6 e* i% j

( y+ i/ L9 r/ }( H- B! p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 e, N1 m  G& s% [5 E: N, t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ b+ a5 D) p( r! o: D4 l4 I) [: t

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 v/ {+ p! a& F
.............信耶穌... ...

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, j6 r' ~% e' z* [% m: p( i6 \' iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 l  F3 |- G8 @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.