Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* i* m1 E/ \* J; {* g- z( p道理我知道好多只係做吳到: O/ m  {: ~/ L; Z: y- W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# R0 M- [" F) n! a- ?* R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 @* x. C4 U9 ]  C
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 Y; ~2 w) B' o# t) V

& U* R4 q# |5 L0 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# p  J% C, S9 |$ |) T0 a/ C3 y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 g* ~! ?1 r# v/ D: i真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 @" j5 J* D- y! d/ `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 z# t) O2 q7 U9 ^/ [' i9 Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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* {' e4 a4 ^( S9 E0 ]What a statement we have here?2 w# }8 i$ |6 h; H. P/ q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , h2 u* n6 i' C2 W
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 |' S5 t" [- _% l+ J$ V# `! M( m) xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% y1 {$ Z: P* R9 T7 L# \
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# ]2 F, ]# }: b8 @1 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# b. F% k( X$ C( Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 z( I7 F0 S+ i7 ^
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it's starting because we have sins......
% t( l. f5 E! a" usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 `; D) ^6 b! C/ I# `. I7 v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 v' _; x5 B, x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. J/ O6 A  {4 f# I4 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: u- |( T- K* F1 L- z; P0 v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 Y! n1 t9 Z/ F0 t9 H- B  I0 q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 N. @8 H) N" f6 Y. o7 i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* u5 i2 a: Q5 Q" O$ r6 y, h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 W- e( {9 `) D% ^6 S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  o6 ^) H5 r! J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* s4 ~# h: t+ N7 }* q. x+ o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, a6 i/ g7 g$ Z# p; M# H

# p+ Q4 Y' _, ]7 N$ s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, {% V: |4 @. M" V) h8 h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 q$ D0 w$ a: }, ]9 ]5 z# A. p

0 E, ]- R1 e4 s4 n4 ]3 ~: v8 Y以下是其他人的見解,
( ~& e4 H1 z8 |% P9 }看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 h1 C: ~$ I7 U2 \
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ F- |; Z; H* K6 l# i+ o

& \7 Y1 `% ?& B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 f+ \, _2 t+ a  X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, i8 N+ C( E: v5 E8 z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& o( W4 A5 d# I3 ?. O3 S4 N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 D4 P) S% E  _. `( X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ v' D0 h; r4 ?% k; P+ `& F

* \+ @! j; G* Y( W: J" w% R7 tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.