Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 I6 _" N/ j2 Q2 h1 i8 C我係一個連自己都吳信的人* v9 x0 f+ d3 V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% T( d2 v2 d8 E4 j" y7 r道理我知道好多只係做吳到( v% L  h0 f4 x8 L( J" T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 X7 I  M4 ?5 c8 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' y' R& a. P5 A0 J$ Z5 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ a/ y5 V: W; t* z* z; j1 t8 P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ A% _" C, ?9 e+ h. u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 P8 E! n1 v0 U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 u6 j& ~; W2 S/ H: M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 [/ p: u1 X6 L4 P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 m- f$ t& `* C; N) J  ^* j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?4 B  G" c7 }* Q% _1 F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. ?3 z7 s2 P, q6 k( W& B" Y, BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  [7 N$ N* j9 L
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: l) i2 y) c. l7 K! ~
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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( S$ y6 S3 N3 F! ]/ S7 a"不信也沒損失"; a; y$ Z- \6 G: L8 _7 T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: Q! h* R  Y# j! R2 v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 X6 J0 P( _, m( s& w2 xit's starting because we have sins......
  X# X4 B" a! A. ~/ ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / P% p  ?  [; v) R# p2 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 V5 {4 e( b& `: h# T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 H- ]) C( y8 G0 f3 z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 @/ ~0 @' l( g4 ]0 \/ d7 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 _2 W# Q9 x2 P. {" u7 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 E9 Y8 m0 _5 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) \+ q: K  r6 a3 W' B, Z- M* h) C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# @: f/ N( g+ g8 h1 n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: T! p: L. A2 C" m; h! L: Q& V' U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 u2 I& V8 I' w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  F# N: X$ g( ~3 |6 x/ f( Y2 A/ y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! l2 F3 K: [3 D0 X2 N
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! |% u% b4 C0 X/ Z4 u3 E3 s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& I! v' F9 ~; D: g
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以下是其他人的見解,& K3 F5 k# g* M1 x$ ~- y( U9 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 e" v! |0 |8 k
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- L1 ?4 M; y* z. D; S  A3 j

, V& m) c: u# j# {. c+ y5 j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% p2 m% G) @# u# |! ]( G+ K7 {7 }, \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; J7 h: K/ L- P% Z) r

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% g- ~0 M( o1 r3 J: L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.