Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: N+ B7 V) m2 o% h4 k$ K$ t我係一個連自己都吳信的人* z1 c' G+ \9 ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ p* B/ A) Y# F8 `+ Q  ]3 w6 v& }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 `2 x2 [0 N- P; D2 l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 z7 I: l* d4 a3 P. K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) R* M4 p) }" y2 \) P1 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( J9 n! Z9 e9 o1 [' Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ U$ ]* O  D- e* \
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 B; n3 Q; i6 T3 k+ i- M0 Y* e+ L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 q. E3 ]1 g- a0 O5 q5 A% U8 E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, A8 [/ J, K( b/ G. E! m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 a* w1 W! n% X2 |8 }4 b, q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 K, L# _; A; d/ G8 J

% x$ ]! M2 c5 D& }7 m2 |! \& ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 r5 e( W% H) @( g& T; w0 l+ C
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- i  V, P, [% `2 k

8 Y7 p# a% b1 M4 F) j' DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ h8 S4 @" _! w4 X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 s4 o  a7 B2 k6 \, z3 i" D' ^$ j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 P( b' a, G4 b% ?: D"不信也沒損失"
% ~& l1 Y7 S0 s$ mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 O' T7 f- f6 x' l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......7 J& z2 [; E! Z' P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ U, ]. L6 h. {- r4 c2 d3 ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 {( ?0 G! D* m% K/ L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 U$ c1 E* b$ Y5 M- l& T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; g% b' p7 o3 E1 \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ C( H/ K: [' @8 z% E: y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 r6 J7 E( C) V$ ^. A" z+ [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) r" ?2 {+ m: c7 q3 ?, x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: k: v+ X2 c# F/ B! T$ y4 d0 f% _好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 a6 S( M/ f; G3 e2 R8 E% y; K5 z0 f: R

6 |' M) l  e7 `" i. j+ Z4 \6 B4 n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, _; z/ S1 g# x# t7 [# u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 b/ q/ n+ z( b: I0 i. J" _
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! v' \8 ^& c4 Y- p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 I; ?1 P0 v% I& g0 W1 A2 A以下是其他人的見解,! {  M# t; A# L& P6 O' P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% n8 |2 `( S* t4 F, K

7 X- Y/ U% w" [/ g+ V7 H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 X- t7 ?7 f' m( r* |9 G) B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- {+ a! T; b  [1 b3 f

9 a) v$ C1 J/ M, I: ?' Q% {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& i! e0 `  T! t. `3 k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 \5 j9 _$ n, c4 p6 _
.............信耶穌... ...

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4 k2 `9 R0 M) z# |- s5 h0 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.