Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# a  H# w. y; q; L/ n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 b; n" R) Z/ `% T1 J  h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 R: P* F$ c& p( c# a9 k$ U  x道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 c7 g! p% k, f5 q# Y# j" w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 }% U6 I2 E+ x9 H- t5 yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) e) c/ ]2 W4 _5 s, f- KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% r, x4 e9 l& q6 j8 w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 W% Y: [3 Y3 ^" N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 j0 T% c2 }* m8 e" z* F) ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% l9 U. A  V: `) L- Q$ O: ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. \7 j5 r( [3 p5 x/ H# b& s4 i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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& U3 w' {' S. z& e8 ^+ L5 ]! X3 yWhat a statement we have here?( p  C/ Z  }( H/ I# J
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 Z# D9 Y: ], \, I5 H3 x6 B

! a* W$ ?3 @3 N: s) Q& c1 |3 v: fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 k* D" x& i1 q7 z9 Z; r

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, \% h/ _, M6 ^" J( `7 p$ P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 O. O& C7 R/ c"不信也沒損失"7 i9 r7 s, b/ F; Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( X. D( j9 ~; F* A8 x+ Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ]  ?; n) ^$ X6 Z8 }/ b8 E5 h
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it's starting because we have sins......8 E* ^) {6 C# [3 k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; h( B5 G& \+ V/ ?4 N1 K" K. E/ q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* o4 T9 J+ c& Y% L; n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% v, b. L% `: h  I# K, B/ K1 }- }( x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 b; ~& g6 Y( f, v/ P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, O3 q/ p/ X: h. k: ]2 N3 d8 a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! L! ~9 X3 f1 P2 \9 A, i( C' h

" ?+ }8 W7 `& K6 |- s# a: t# e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! m2 ?+ X+ r; {) J" s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  A7 b2 d2 _0 V1 K! ?2 o4 o

* X* G$ p9 c3 Z9 F5 b( g0 t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) q% x$ C, f. w! ?& G5 f6 _6 [改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% ~% p& s4 s3 f" ~3 f
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# D. ]1 t, A5 u. x" Y. I: @1 C: |
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 z( [3 |- x. `. ^: N) m" n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ m6 W; w; Q  w* C& ^! Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ A1 p3 c  e$ n/ R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  C# ?& S( F5 A- c8 x

& E7 x- v5 P  I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: A8 {. M8 ^2 o2 E5 R) C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 h! ^! ^$ e7 S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.