Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* P3 b/ g; R6 z1 D+ @( R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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: ]  J3 U8 p, S/ s8 T  }% A& CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; A6 g4 d" K$ y2 V* ?7 B! H$ B

# ^5 i7 Z# X/ sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 ^8 t) @3 m$ q. ?4 }# K$ Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 ~2 |. i5 r1 Z! h: j# W  B% z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; \. h, m2 @1 F9 r  w$ B$ l0 O) n4 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( y, z* d1 z; I  P
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." L. W8 q- F8 O# E1 O7 z# y+ _. z
真的!!這不是反話
$ _7 O5 _; b+ {因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ P" M/ G" S2 _, s/ v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ _7 J, i, m: Z9 a9 l. a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 L* ~, A' x: F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 B9 k! R( J2 _! H; w0 W" `3 wWhat a statement we have here?
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5 Q. h2 e+ M1 G4 T# z/ q% N- ?3 VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ X, {6 @# o/ T% ~+ r/ Q: Q

7 A. \& k# c9 QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ {: m) @+ i4 O0 j: A
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 K6 e2 R& J0 i8 }# p"不信也沒損失"
$ ^  z  g0 h9 V* i# nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 \: [( n  Y% P$ z' w4 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! H9 ^4 S1 B5 z$ v* [6 V0 G

: a" W" u; H  ~& X, Q5 f3 G9 Git's starting because we have sins......: }* F7 b; h+ N( S  X+ d
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- d" h5 ^! d: B' |1 u; N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 n! Z; i% K! H1 Y* P+ M6 W$ X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! z4 ^* o7 g" x9 [1 B! `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 h' L1 S; p. x0 P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 |- Z% N7 N- b- ]- J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- o3 c8 Z( o3 k( J( o! y6 ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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' G0 M' E1 }, K/ |. E宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 N9 c' i" d  |7 _* i/ Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' f0 Q% G5 o7 X$ p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 G  F9 |+ r* k8 L: Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 T, w- n5 x. `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 d* W0 V6 X  p' _% W# ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% t' C3 J) e  J$ w0 k" j1 F

; B* q, e: a: l1 I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' Z0 M5 p3 O! Q: S9 G- r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 I/ e9 F# S: h% D: ?! R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ ^8 j0 H% l$ q1 V1 t

, w9 f/ J: c3 G2 _8 U; KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.