Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ A$ [! ^: K3 D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ j0 P8 {! i/ B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 j! K* y' A( O0 j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 V+ K' F, E  t9 ^* p* F+ W呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 p. c9 }5 Z& v$ o& N! P# S

9 q' m2 R: p0 p  L% v% f+ hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% X+ O0 P% ^. T; Y+ j

4 u) u& {. Z* t' i. F% Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 G0 Y$ P3 ~0 }/ [' f$ p8 v

5 V: X% i% ?3 ~/ \( i1 k: wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" Z, G" T6 c" ~& S$ Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& x: P( q3 i; z) K9 C# ^7 U* G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 U: v: t/ E; S& E# K" c真的!!這不是反話
% F+ h# t" a' C3 V. g) Y$ \因為我是情感比理性強的人* q1 J$ b, Q' s" ?& A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; H  W( @) B* [7 T9 N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 T  \, A" z* s9 |% x+ R% r7 Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 N: U1 G1 F) A) i: [7 [! h+ V# \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  Q' ~. E$ b4 j! e! k1 f' U. [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 {. n* F3 G* Y. A. s6 G# m: c2 }2 XWhat a statement we have here?2 y, {0 L2 |9 S7 W: }$ }. _7 M7 `

1 x; ?7 B3 {, o  MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 _' D! _' |! |4 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* f  |; @/ o  P9 p"不信也沒損失"
4 |' y1 |+ Z% n" ]: kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! P$ Y3 f' @6 J4 i2 w0 S. ~& m- jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& |: {$ d; B) \  S
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it's starting because we have sins......; |" M+ F5 m$ d' o5 J+ ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 l' W1 J6 W. h& z6 N" q. Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 O3 _( `4 z# x9 u  A( F3 L4 y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' l! f% p+ @! q9 C1 {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# i/ a" o" C' v- t1 X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: t6 O+ Y2 ?" a- o7 B- I% o4 j& X$ M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: W6 y7 E& u: G+ C, D3 p3 u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, q5 S7 M5 t8 F, B7 S+ i8 {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 b. {8 J8 u2 e8 _6 P8 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) }: h! L0 C( f7 m- T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 ]3 f$ @; |4 g6 I! t' e5 u" E以下是其他人的見解," {! a. g* O- _: Q# ^; t3 V) X% I7 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 T( v1 u# q  s7 ]) k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 P1 `9 u% E$ ]1 g9 u$ }0 n0 J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 D7 R* j5 C/ o! O9 ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% _) m: d( f9 V+ Z: v  W.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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+ ^4 b/ s2 t" U# W/ KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& W6 ]+ ]- `- F7 C9 h! W
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.