Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; [3 \. S( B& v% e* X- j, J# ^# P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ c1 a0 _4 p* m, S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 u" H/ w, E3 L

4 t2 F$ ], S- F0 F7 ], TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' @" X0 Y1 w# I' @  Q5 i

+ C% h; u) C" O2 `8 Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 C2 E' L% [& \& ?/ K8 Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 m% x; L1 g8 J- m我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 P0 Y2 ~9 m+ w6 H- K' `# X" b" y3 g
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( z, D/ Z5 O. r/ _/ W, U% s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# H7 t5 H9 V0 H  i0 x% I  m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 }  [8 n) V5 |! n) j5 `0 }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 ~0 b7 T& q2 `* _6 }What a statement we have here?8 S. I; D# j2 z! [' Z$ z) D% U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) E" U( M* V$ f( X! S2 @

5 _1 j  i- S# c/ V! {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 u) v; _2 [1 T& U! R4 s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( i/ j& M: r# ^1 x7 O
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' R0 x. L- B# j) {. @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! ^+ t0 t* E! ~# S; y5 C' F"不信也沒損失"
5 V8 U: S1 w5 L/ p. [+ lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 _; P  [) c$ c( T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) ]( |. [2 x( H8 E

- q; i; _4 F' x$ Lit's starting because we have sins....... I) o+ w- Q$ u$ d8 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 d, l+ ~% A0 y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 C% {1 ?+ C5 @; [! Y* s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 a3 ?1 ^' w6 ~8 K8 f( E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& H+ C* w9 M) q# m4 _/ t/ \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 ^8 n+ V* Q" \' b# P/ p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# I4 ]* n8 {" `2 o* d0 @' t  m8 _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 S& x6 n4 S5 U$ P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 L8 a/ t2 t  \: d. T9 X& t( N; z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 q- O* X7 w1 Q5 L5 x- ~% A

; N! k* b8 O: n% N7 h宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ C/ V. F+ ^8 h% x$ O# Y- u* K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" k2 X$ a. a+ P, i' l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 s; A& O1 _9 G' L2 D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 v, P4 t% Y6 Y% t$ A
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 M7 O( P; q# _; i! M0 a4 M( Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 u  R( Z5 q  b) j& a# Z; v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 d9 k) }- h3 `" d& u+ H( s; _) }1 j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* Z# P" w8 A% b1 y6 R5 Z$ W0 l% w

+ ?4 ?$ Z: {9 ], SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.