Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 p  ?, H7 Z) M- ?  `. o# I/ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* i2 E7 o4 b4 _- c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: e7 T& k- Q% y: @道理我知道好多只係做吳到) |: `  S) B: F+ ?6 {! W7 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; A: |: V; W$ ?8 _1 A5 Z$ \/ kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 j0 [# a1 ^  S# @$ j; ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ g2 ?2 d' ~" e

9 D$ }: Y% G, L2 p! X2 C( p9 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ |: i% p7 e8 t: Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: H& y, q2 n  ~  B/ V: ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& q1 j% l8 n, r( M6 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 ?) G  j+ Y* ]: S& g真的!!這不是反話
2 R  o4 T! E1 @0 x. H6 i. k因為我是情感比理性強的人! z' T9 l; \9 W* g3 S7 Z! F- f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ W- f) `5 l: J& C. z' k0 f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  a+ |8 d9 P$ E& d7 W* b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) t& B7 p. O; P& ?

3 p9 g4 O: d; L' Y4 B1 ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   X) ]% K: Z- ~6 L% s7 u  j

4 e) H. f! E4 l' ?. e8 @$ pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 f" `9 e! L4 n* E

9 J1 W" z" b, B! m: U3 `1 _- LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& l* \/ e/ @& f5 S' V) Y  Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- h, i% ?- p* x$ w3 y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' [: C" @/ C- x' ^& `  F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) F8 d/ J( @# B# V" P# Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: a, A! k' j9 F( K" H

  z! j* L4 _5 \2 L3 n+ W0 y3 l" ait's starting because we have sins......
. r/ I1 N( _+ h. o/ u# N- R2 nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, ]' X$ c- O$ {7 {) H* your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 ^. m; B& a* h: W8 G" @9 f4 A. H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* G1 S3 g2 O% Z1 ?  a. B3 K- D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; [  o9 m1 b. t5 M1 h! h/ L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 w4 f0 ~# }7 b8 b" b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% w: F4 A; u, Y8 z( I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ {% H/ Q$ z& k4 q' `' y- U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 v2 I* O3 x- A$ l% a( F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 W* Q0 N) _' X% t' ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ H4 B5 {6 s2 F9 d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' j& p& l$ x9 N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, R/ @  {2 @( J) F  D/ }5 G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' `! h3 R8 E" c  n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 G' I7 z& r' t4 p
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 a, \; S4 m, _8 ?8 k

: t( C1 v: E; @- O1 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 n" S, P" }: ]

4 G3 e7 w0 r0 R* D! n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" v  y  i1 N/ B/ Q; w+ L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 {8 F+ r; f- I/ N- c. L
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.