Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* z7 |8 _7 W. j. R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& N2 j' L% r: {; L8 i$ X) j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* a8 y; h* l! I% N5 b9 _
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; E9 b# U/ S4 p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! X/ F3 g* x8 D* \/ K" Q: I3 nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 `4 x& @8 q) x
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  t8 M* q0 W8 N/ Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ c5 T& f5 {; D- n" }9 x0 ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ I( y- K! n7 T+ J我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ]8 `/ D) K* Q6 \+ h- C
真的!!這不是反話1 E5 R( S: o8 ^9 U
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 ~5 g, ^. S. c9 o% `. I( c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  p" K! V6 O; b: N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ S: \7 r/ w$ L' t: i7 C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 V* N! }' s: t* k, d' H- \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% b: P. c/ U0 S# u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( E/ L0 _9 F# x1 ~% l  cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 }: Y% Y2 V+ w0 ~* _# H* S; h

" U7 y* S5 t4 K* o* H. |+ QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: I8 b, ~& N! g( K
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 E( T) n- D! n5 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 [9 [2 D! t! zit's starting because we have sins......0 O6 N; d; I+ y1 Q* q% K, v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  M6 P( l& n5 g8 H8 L; Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& ?" J3 j6 K# F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 L# ?' F. c; O* m1 E/ O4 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 b8 Q. y# ]/ I- H* M1 h9 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  ], o+ {( E4 h; O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 I5 k' f& {- R; K4 I$ Y( a5 p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& T4 V( p' R7 N; }2 P: r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 X6 ~4 v7 V& u, h, D7 P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ @8 P& Z' O" V! N( L信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 b- l. ~4 G! @# I9 _' I$ j' G

; r9 q( H# @" b, O# Q以下是其他人的見解,
/ P' i% r; o& y, W1 c: S1 {7 h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 q+ L5 t9 W% ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" o! ~/ V9 s2 X" p- f8 a4 {

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ n* Z% g2 m. X' d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 ]1 J4 b7 l8 X& U
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ ?! G/ d5 j6 a# M1 ]

8 a! A$ M+ f# f& b  X5 bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.