Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& v  }& o$ A# v' N' s; I- x+ c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# `: ?8 o# |6 V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 I8 A1 S( s$ o* \4 ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% }8 N% F+ @" }8 f( P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! j! l. H( i( J4 Q. P; ]; wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ Q  I4 ~, C2 \0 {$ b/ T/ j0 M

0 t' f9 ]; ]" t$ f  |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." t7 ^# l$ M: W: t4 @
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) d7 L+ ~' |$ w9 W2 E9 U

5 K6 w1 s* }8 T3 d; `) l. u, Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  Q: o  F/ P/ T6 p5 K" acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& z1 c0 e; S3 f8 H; m: _1 q) Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: g0 W8 j( G0 V% L
真的!!這不是反話
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2 [! I+ W9 F7 p/ d' S$ t- m$ B所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 R0 b# i! c7 G$ Z) m/ D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 r, {. }1 ]- X+ Z% `* I; J. ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: N- C' i5 y7 ?% i' e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- Q" H* U2 j% S4 c& X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- g+ ^( R! P* o. J) u5 u8 h1 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ T) s2 T4 W6 I% T+ Y$ N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. Y1 v7 l9 Y: q1 f8 ^* @. Y" c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 m4 k4 N/ A/ ^; ]' S1 D9 n4 y"不信也沒損失"
, T9 L) i/ M+ S& W  q! s9 {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( y1 q, c- d- G7 n8 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  ^+ y- m9 @8 R2 n5 q1 S# o

4 P( n9 w  |1 `" C1 t  b4 U4 r! Tit's starting because we have sins......
/ W7 w* R/ h0 [8 hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - D& a- r! X4 ?8 t" {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  Q! X0 @2 e( H# @0 Y; o5 e* p* r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," o0 I! j8 P- U/ a# A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 d" D" u# q$ \: q0 G- X3 R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% Q: x8 Y9 K; T# t2 p( E0 n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- _) _4 n/ A2 x9 `9 h5 O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ w- i! x$ O6 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 ~2 J& [, F; K, n# f% S$ t6 ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 w: D0 @# K1 e

8 ~5 V+ ~. t4 W5 J6 j. t1 v: A0 ^( H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( L$ I% \4 _3 z1 m- o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ j* K$ w; W! ]! X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 q3 k$ x; \& C9 K6 V" x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ W9 A. k$ q, d; u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ V6 G3 _6 ~/ F3 V# m. c  E

( X+ g8 o0 m% m$ d7 G, L2 V以下是其他人的見解,
4 x$ w# O; i  i! z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, G8 G9 `1 l9 [1 U

, w1 M0 Z& M+ L. }2 @9 i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: H. A2 |7 f7 y. P" Z0 S# }
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 f- ?, P. r# x4 G- k0 B. z( Y4 ~  G5 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! P0 t) R. @$ L7 p! p( e7 t+ @.............信耶穌... ...

3 P( g/ z5 q- ]& w3 iRegarding the resurrection....
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6 ]6 X0 a3 F) c. x& @3 YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 e, d! P- }' f$ }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.