Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 G  {2 L, l5 i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 h. H1 y% c$ n2 t9 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 h6 Q9 V0 v; r7 b9 `$ f' L1 Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ [+ @. t3 C1 Y" ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' \# Y5 r# x4 a' I, T' w* S; v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 E" [  `( |5 \, I0 k9 r7 m# X

$ A6 r9 i+ x6 c4 ?0 p" vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 B5 A- N+ u$ pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ N4 m9 x& T& Q, k5 c0 r9 |# r7 h& ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ O/ e$ U; K9 a7 p& _% D* j2 d
真的!!這不是反話
6 _5 D& \! ^& I3 x2 W因為我是情感比理性強的人
( @3 @, _3 A9 J所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 W3 q% _/ t; H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) n: q/ X, |# \: G3 t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ R& \& |. j% \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  F% U) k; @# t6 P

8 D- O- y' @  }3 XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  j. K9 L+ p2 B
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% m3 k3 ~7 f# T
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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& R& E4 V, N) U& J  c( P7 K4 ]6 ]"不信也沒損失"
- I, C3 N3 E/ P' @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ E* z+ K$ i! A. gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 b6 L% s5 L: v8 T
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ _& v0 M$ M" I% t5 psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% u& I: J0 U$ p8 K( Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' c. t7 T) y: L0 H& ~/ U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, G5 J+ S2 Z, k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ S. L" \) m: @# x5 n. k" w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  I' B7 S+ A; n: {5 Z+ |1 T. b3 B
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ {6 X- ?: \6 ]6 [% W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ F6 b& n- f' V, ~( B0 L4 ]8 U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ q' C9 `# Q) J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- h. X0 B& R1 j$ L7 {$ Z以下是其他人的見解,& L' T/ V3 E! Y  Z. j& b$ W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- }. ]! e. b' i, w+ @
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 ^9 M5 x$ r2 X& u# w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 Z. r$ h( w: b/ K8 x4 v) V# V
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" R7 E, F( V' j0 b8 n5 N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 ]7 E, k5 @8 f& ^" X$ e$ P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 @, {" j* v$ e; Z4 NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.