Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; g( |+ |. ~* W, s: W( b我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 x) y/ s5 t3 {8 @" K) j) o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  n6 X( Q; G" L4 O3 a1 L$ u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到& d& m7 ~! y$ d" Q/ \" f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 d- s9 s/ k8 Q1 h. R) u& H8 o% HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 W% x# |- u: J7 T+ g( C4 c1 C' ~

$ v, l$ D8 ~$ p/ B1 Z! mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ I7 n$ D2 b: P6 L$ ^8 }1 c6 `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 V( J4 G) x$ [

! r, ^$ E3 _6 |; w4 W! ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! ]2 B2 T  y" Q1 h/ _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ ~7 i" z3 I. E& K
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ r& e/ l) Z5 b1 v
真的!!這不是反話
4 c* N' L1 _3 n1 r因為我是情感比理性強的人
% |5 z4 ^6 R# e7 z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* E5 a9 L! z6 L  c: M# ]' e* M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; q  W) I4 L+ M& K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
5 K0 @9 m" E3 K; h( D* v" E+ b正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 K  W4 q8 S; D: h  n7 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 `* B  ^; w2 v9 S

$ G' ]9 [) f& U3 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 }; \) r3 i6 E4 c8 H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 }6 B9 E% n  x: p" U+ M. N# N, L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* j7 _# T8 D! ~- S6 l- b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. C& B' r: g( d  q0 p& aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 E- o/ ~, u+ X. N9 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# M4 K, f9 |5 w/ W1 Q* X
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it's starting because we have sins......& k2 D8 d4 M% Z  d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & e: A( T' v5 H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; a( K- ^9 d' G; _' I' O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 H5 I, x. Q" a" }- p# }$ x6 r0 T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 }. Q( V: S- I0 Q8 ]' o- Y3 r) c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 I* b8 x8 W# o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 z8 @2 q$ f# E: S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" J; g0 c. J: _& r2 i: h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 T: y" w7 d; X7 D+ Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 w0 O5 u/ H/ A0 x. Y4 W
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- B: }' y" Y& x3 d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 [  |& m$ W5 ~& R0 _3 {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& X" i- B2 ^) R3 k6 s: d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ |5 b8 I' R4 w3 e+ s9 Y$ b4 I5 O" {

/ l- D% \9 V! F$ p; P( F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! a( h: Z- Z4 `4 t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* S4 g- U9 p5 @: k$ A( J' t" h# l

5 D" O: T4 s. {" h2 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 R3 L7 u- u, V) d/ K6 y! Z

( C- O, I+ I/ L7 M4 i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 o/ P; D/ O  j6 k3 a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 B9 c% J2 q. Q' Q/ T5 o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, U/ q. S0 @0 M, O9 T.............信耶穌... ...

! g7 }- T5 R7 d8 d+ O8 k6 uRegarding the resurrection....: E5 M/ J, ]- J) T, j
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% n! h* A9 q) i3 u8 d

( i0 E5 |- N4 ~; `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.