Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 p4 e1 Q7 m% {8 D8 @/ g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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4 p, W5 S7 j( r2 `3 `& yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; i- M2 P  t: {" i. p( N3 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; w$ d* }: v2 r, f

3 U1 Y. @  k( M3 i4 U0 _& `+ nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 \8 s: p$ F' }0 \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 g' E/ B0 |8 y7 m. g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& h7 H$ K- D1 w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: \4 K7 g+ F/ [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* C% i/ i* z8 j" r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 S5 K1 L- A; e; ~" t4 s# z" \4 i' C

1 g% j0 s9 b: w# v  W! L0 G) EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- d: C" d. S9 ~4 n6 q: ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 w. A: w0 M; Y% [# t+ L" G6 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 \0 o& c1 o% t! D) E' w/ }+ o9 u( ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 n+ b( u  W" o4 y2 h8 U8 N. yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 W  P" {8 e5 D6 E' W6 ]but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 x& u. @# w& q# z

% Q, p/ \3 U( C5 ~6 Zit's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 W$ d' s% a& t) r8 Y+ n, v6 P: P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% e( N: |' }0 S. E" n& J, A; Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 Q. V  a1 u1 K; E) s& K% f5 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 _6 x5 [. C  Y, m/ s

/ i+ @9 n3 e$ g4 g6 U: W# _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 ]5 e# Z7 V% F  d1 |1 w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 `; H$ Y8 m9 N7 U  C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: J& r' p2 n& N9 Z& s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  a2 [  t) I' j8 d" N) z# m7 r美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ S- V3 J2 J& R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ x% ?$ S4 c7 K+ T- Q4 H/ p7 @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& C& f6 o( f6 U3 f$ c# Q% `以下是其他人的見解,
- u- [, m, o! Y4 X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ F: R7 R. U- C: |

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! n( L5 b7 t+ R2 k& G9 K. U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. z' e% ~0 A, ?- X+ t) s7 L5 b
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: I- {/ |0 E1 W! u+ V5 {" M% }

2 [4 V8 y) g" G) b$ oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 E9 A+ j$ U+ T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.