Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 S* F) t' j3 r. f7 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* ]0 j2 Z8 V& l' L/ z0 b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% p5 E8 n# i5 Y  g道理我知道好多只係做吳到: C( {2 ]9 ]/ E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 |  |% |2 D7 pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& b9 k1 X7 O' ]$ n% sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% O* h. T$ a/ s" B

# i9 Z/ c0 m: }. `/ _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 N: W( D8 `1 j" I$ r; s

; S9 R6 C3 h7 ~/ ]$ W7 J$ g! G5 @1 vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 e& `+ t8 {% q) J2 Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: z6 `  ]9 s; l( t! c; N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* \6 X9 W* ]& U' I' ^6 R6 M/ \
真的!!這不是反話9 [, b+ m- ^8 j$ i
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 g6 r; L* F! X: R4 U- G/ K5 n/ ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. m- C  K0 \( @+ G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; p5 ]3 g" X1 d7 ^' w  N. z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 c5 d4 e* u) z; Z2 \What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 ^9 K1 {2 S5 I4 F. A6 SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 j1 d! f7 U, S" f1 s# w" v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 ^+ T- e7 B+ U: e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  T5 J3 y% b7 v( ~/ kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ ~$ T! I- k* Z" r: x, h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- q- x( s, C; k) l7 n2 Z

$ \9 x! b7 {4 ?7 ?0 |# zit's starting because we have sins....../ e  n4 u, F. @7 A/ t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! m5 D  r6 t  b4 B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 g  r1 V. ]2 l* D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ P7 l( X. l* Y* [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& E. Q# }$ X* B$ d7 f0 s7 l9 @& W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( n# u3 @. A6 J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 O1 Y- k  V$ T% t& m# j' q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' |5 l2 Q3 B/ ?/ x8 R* h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 C: N) T. H8 K# r1 b) _, s- f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 `8 r$ N% k1 k/ O$ B8 p+ O# k
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; G: ^5 w/ g& B8 S* f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 z* X9 \5 X4 V- A" _6 c5 w
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% g6 [' m9 D7 N" V0 @) Q; C* y

* ?3 }, u; Q/ _3 N8 J) u$ j8 i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! E6 ~4 f4 }2 D. D% `; b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& H7 L# n/ B* s8 b/ O7 ~$ b以下是其他人的見解,6 O4 _- T+ J4 Z2 S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ c# C( s$ U4 ^
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 M. J# ^1 U5 d; N4 d2 X8 f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; O- n2 L* e5 e" C9 F, F2 I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ k, N8 L5 q# |0 w0 N6 V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 c0 o" Z0 j5 J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: e. A: y- I  h, `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ t$ }5 q; K2 ~: y: y6 DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.