Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* s4 r- n! ~  y* |+ C/ j& Q我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ d) N5 B3 a$ A! s# S2 R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' y2 Y6 V- P& n: L! A道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 D9 m% \# H- x# W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! n8 l9 z2 `6 Q& s( n6 ~5 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; F0 f& K5 @, r$ ]

6 e$ w. D; o2 Y5 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, i: i% k- f/ Y) w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 G% y" z. T. Y4 `+ `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 j& E/ }. @: Q9 ^9 u& `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( i" e2 Z7 _4 b! |: R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% o6 B' y" n' N% o3 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 o% m- P# M- j/ Y, `# F: n. hWhat a statement we have here?
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3 |2 T! |5 [7 x4 ^$ wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( b2 M; Z2 L( |& n8 x. L

1 `& x* G- \$ o# |4 T0 N: ~/ w* II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" a  G) s% E6 `: o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' N* f; T! x! ]" D* W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 O  ]9 A2 s5 {2 S0 I. Z"不信也沒損失"
+ W, [7 x% j% j$ h" bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  a0 q& }) c: c0 R# \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: W4 q2 \/ b# dit's starting because we have sins......
# V. H' U& ~9 ]* ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 U& y! c  E  r7 @0 j: [- L& h" p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* S# w2 P# J; z) R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ F$ W3 }9 `- W2 J1 m0 P; v
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 o2 R  Y: Y8 h4 |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 k8 e7 ^& x4 _9 E7 f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& [# E: j+ V  G4 j" l2 s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 ]6 I1 ]" q- N2 |4 J- |: g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. z- f  V9 T0 g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., a2 L* n1 P/ b! _# _' Z+ \
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' G) p+ v- L* ~0 i9 \; S  {$ ]/ U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 }* ]) p* |! M+ X* I2 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 G( U: x" V& b- w4 ~
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ o0 t+ n- L, v( j, S# G

4 k& j. b& m" L8 F8 r, a( O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 ~+ f+ f9 m# D8 |% B0 U
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ q/ T' p9 X/ b

, z. e( D: ^8 G+ V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ ]) E9 u' \. ^' j' ~8 m/ ?.............信耶穌... ...

: ?( s+ e1 m/ _# xRegarding the resurrection....0 R, l4 a* F& O+ s' q" [1 @/ E
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% ~, Y8 V: |3 kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.