Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 ~# n) Y- Q. r. _3 Q: Y8 P* j" v7 |我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' o; x3 m' [& F2 F" k' z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ s: U# ?& ~+ k! c, j0 S6 \* }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 x' o1 c5 n4 o4 Q  H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 z& f- t; G( z. l9 I, F# BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 P; u+ ?# s. U! I0 a/ g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% ]( e8 }8 K5 j% H

. K" E+ s, a: Y' Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- m$ i* E/ w. ^0 b+ {cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% ]4 d7 K5 }# O5 s1 {5 c* f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 F4 A9 U' `4 {真的!!這不是反話
! l0 V9 o5 p/ R5 Q因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ V) c' L2 o/ d  v$ {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( Q2 a4 v# }( {1 L/ W$ ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ I( ?8 n2 q0 z" Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ `+ a3 g7 @% V  s6 U6 y/ Y2 d, B$ J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; a* d- A$ v5 D; f& S+ GWhat a statement we have here?, t% b% C% k; M& H2 b

, n9 x8 C8 ?: a/ s; PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 M6 d9 @6 P$ E6 n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% m9 E) H- v: d" y5 X

$ s$ `9 q& t$ U7 }% ?) zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ D5 \! w9 M, r( `2 N0 x3 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# L6 z$ W7 ^$ P; CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 Z$ J' H; P. j' S8 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 D; B$ c" {8 X  b$ zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % k$ k; b$ c! R) X5 E  ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; Y! r" ~$ f* r% l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ R) k) i+ i& s9 Q0 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 k$ S" g) {: u" e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; k9 O, x& M3 d' A$ o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 d( l' a5 V' X/ D4 O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: k) s7 Z+ @4 e8 \+ a" H, z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 j/ E9 m# |2 D- c/ W- }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, \* y4 \+ V7 c7 C

& K) Y) r$ g( g' h; i, N) J4 K' {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. e8 X9 \% Z# Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; t7 |/ s3 A9 R& f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) b0 C. S; Q6 s9 C3 B$ E$ K4 G6 Y
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1 y: q: V" D, m0 l$ n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- P; Z5 R. m- E' A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ S! K# G/ _( {& _) k: I) b

: l: |8 ?+ c, |. X- p$ u以下是其他人的見解,* U. O/ [! c& N0 D. {2 {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% R6 g# q8 c9 W2 o
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! N+ C7 X/ r5 K( L

0 d" f9 _0 M6 n9 V" K" l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! k" V$ k0 a9 g4 |# [

. \- Y: B0 {. i  I( n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: a% n; z' U( C% q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ~/ P- n6 _2 V' q3 ~* {3 V5 W0 w

) n6 M. J9 P0 D) }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 F: O/ g) Q; R1 P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ J# V/ g8 w4 r. r

3 _. W* N+ l- W; E3 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.