Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. l, F0 V. t7 [' J% F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" u# F/ x, a" q: L' n0 H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 l. |: A% [- V2 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ ^5 [6 b& ^3 W) d# Q1 N% T9 Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. j& D& Z: M  ?& e2 i* W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' K2 Q5 Q# C: z7 \+ Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ ~3 O$ j. H3 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. z3 T  g1 z+ N% }我只不過微小的基督徒...................( V2 g5 w) {6 Q8 r- {2 N
真的!!這不是反話
9 y3 B) x+ p/ O: [3 U因為我是情感比理性強的人; R3 F0 F6 M4 W* S. o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 W6 \/ }3 p$ P0 I( J. X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 I5 z& o5 @  ?/ [/ s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# \' X2 ~9 C( v7 W* ^3 c( `% l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 f8 Y* Q$ Y9 v/ rWhat a statement we have here?
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% u# X% x  m, W# q2 N1 E/ HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' w+ i% t" A/ I/ W% L; X/ m- F; _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 Z: V; k( e  J: S- s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 ~& v. `& h+ O5 O0 w8 @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& j8 @$ N) E* y% I- m6 M' Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 }. v7 S) b* p' h/ N2 V
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it's starting because we have sins....... v# I) X) r+ ^7 S- R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - P4 t5 m8 m& b7 D& g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 \' M; X9 o2 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* l0 h/ x$ n! e' s. ~
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 z% X2 l  b1 y3 }7 x9 H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 |- |  r8 S+ n! I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) h. |! j3 ~& _; `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: c3 l8 r) [& _. s

4 y) I# a+ e5 U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 i+ o: l$ w/ z4 X7 U9 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ z* u& l$ a" M+ f' T4 C" M/ o
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 M5 X' w% {* z3 S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; e" f6 Y! u& U. \0 M7 m美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 I, u" V' P7 j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 v- O- D! @8 r/ a+ e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 ?: _5 F1 m& b! j* c/ n' v以下是其他人的見解,2 q* \; n* i( f2 l4 z) n# G; w. ~4 Z- }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" e, H# f, {1 j3 g2 W. U% p5 D# f+ }5 I
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ ^! W% b2 J: d" F1 m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( `+ G5 }& F; {- B
.............信耶穌... ...

0 D/ r( M! V6 k7 \3 SRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* Y' C3 g+ D; N' U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.