Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% r9 Y. h+ ?" `  d+ N. V2 ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到! s1 r6 X- w9 _* z. Y7 L8 Q0 L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, M9 g2 H3 D; ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 Q  ?: y. R% G. L: _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& L$ H  Z& Z* H; W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 t6 Z9 S- x( ]$ m7 p! y4 V: L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 [9 p: I+ M/ Q2 ?* k
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* z7 e+ ?6 N- |' h1 R0 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" Z* s4 Q7 s/ W5 L7 v+ m: n# a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ K9 b5 O3 Z4 z) E+ s

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 R. C: u: f7 ?! ~$ `+ @

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+ V" V; B5 e& W! W5 F0 M7 S9 Y[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" k2 x4 Z( z* [2 F5 y3 E: H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  s) @! A, c# o9 A' w% I/ ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 }) S' s* |; a! Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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5 @6 G* B% o7 W, R' o4 }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. c3 g1 `( m* Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 \4 w  A$ S: H0 i) O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( y% _9 g4 |! Y2 x; T1 d  L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 `7 V/ U5 F  A1 B! a
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: u- n7 ]" z' ^
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,9 s3 p$ Z% c& _: G  L+ R% \: K1 v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) i2 n" H0 j8 K; V4 d0 n* a8 _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  U# g7 t0 p) @5 M/ `0 P4 c4 G  V: x2 T' x
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" ]# d! T) c1 H+ \- x# Q- g7 P" ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) m# d# G. l8 V

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 B* u4 m( w) c1 u  G, P.............信耶穌... ...

7 K2 U. y* d+ |" mRegarding the resurrection....4 |* x$ c/ d. H2 n5 e% w7 T, r
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' c- E# ?8 K, T  m$ x" H
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.