Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, Z7 C1 D' I/ K- C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 X1 \/ M5 L, o  B% j" o& D- t. s. y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 w0 U' }4 s' p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 q( }3 l, E- V# l% |, C# d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% b- X' B% {8 `3 D8 h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 l: @0 o% e& D8 z+ o: j; |& @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ @. C/ q7 n2 f/ R我只不過微小的基督徒...................' u, U+ H  i/ f+ |. d
真的!!這不是反話* |; s# B) x" \! _% ]; N" C: d
因為我是情感比理性強的人% Z8 V$ C7 _! G1 q8 K/ U- T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 x3 L3 {+ n; h; H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ b' `& F; l0 T# X; ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) a  \/ p- z' F0 ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 E% O1 M% ]: I' [* [; d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  H4 K- ^1 j8 TWhat a statement we have here?
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; U( @2 p- g0 z( L% UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : }* _) O8 H" {" w

- s* H2 \; W' D+ `$ E% R! jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ j  V1 s/ d8 _  J& c5 C) q

# b- ]- ?& z# T& G6 f4 E( SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 q' A$ @2 g8 Q+ I% h4 D8 _
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( s# a! k; F1 t8 Y) I  d8 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ i' l* w! z! w, m5 U4 @: ~"不信也沒損失"
+ W% k% X7 N( h3 g6 i3 ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." e0 |7 p8 q" r/ F: A- n6 E5 U" ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 _: Z. e1 A: sit's starting because we have sins....... G0 d& N; U4 T: U4 B- P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 @! T2 b) @6 F, [' e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& X( V  b- M, o1 D$ ?  j$ H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 _2 X9 r5 Z6 u5 q9 }  `+ x
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 {2 z. L5 l; ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( S! y, l' @) y5 _0 i' V' d$ p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 \. `3 o% ?8 V$ G3 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," v1 B) [# C7 _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" K  b4 w1 C& d" k. i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# a( O3 C* B: b% ^" i

+ n( Q( h! J" ?+ ~, a0 ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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( j! N4 H" V- ]" {' D$ j0 v1 d6 V% Y以下是其他人的見解,( K* q) z6 h/ V2 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ t- W4 T7 R: q" {* c

! ?8 t) A8 c) N( \  \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 ]$ X3 h2 H1 {1 M. q4 Q& B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, i, L2 ^" n, P

  k  a, y9 P9 u, f: M; Y- t5 n同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 q! D; A* b4 B
.............信耶穌... ...

$ r6 M( d+ e. t& O+ A7 eRegarding the resurrection....* j4 }+ ~& v; q, U

5 H- C, y. d0 R( I$ q/ YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 ]2 x( o! W- d, U1 a+ A6 I" W

3 L1 C; ^5 H' DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.