Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( U, \/ A) W( U* E4 B6 S: v9 G我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ d# F6 E0 n: B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* `* ~5 l6 P5 ^% Y6 @" `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 e* G1 R: M" j( m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& g+ E& t2 A, zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% v, y' r& {8 R0 g. H  y* D5 G
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., C9 p+ z# j; P5 Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% E5 W1 k  B- o: w; v3 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  _5 s. D' a, j* {5 ?1 ?4 Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; P3 E; p9 _2 Q$ Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 Y7 N$ U) _8 \8 _  ~! R
真的!!這不是反話8 C: ?  P6 H& e! q+ M$ e0 {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 c! O! {' x- |; c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 G8 O5 _" ^, ]8 i5 Q8 H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* d7 h! i4 a: T* W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 G7 l" E. T6 V8 R6 q; M: \What a statement we have here?
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" y) R0 U8 |9 y! b: L- qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * O! T) r6 F( D" d! T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ N: d: ^4 k  `! C0 L

- b2 m" n* `  JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 [! p, e' f/ ]

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 ~9 a+ A4 ^% I- l! N/ w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) R' C' [# G- ^2 d4 {& q* }& R"不信也沒損失"; q1 a, D9 K5 H: N7 ^, L; m+ o3 N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., k8 B" H( }" [3 s9 m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! d) }% c# ~, K% Z% a/ iit's starting because we have sins......0 _+ k; z: O% k( l' C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 g$ W. `) |! j/ s+ ^" D0 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* Y' G, k" R* ^( l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 U5 Y) w' K0 h9 c. [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* R! L5 A- V! L3 X& H0 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* J9 D6 }# k1 h" C& _2 @* W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 t$ o( p4 |7 N! K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 ^4 }, R1 r1 }, V3 T, `1 r! k

& C! R8 X" _  N/ `% y: V7 L: Y$ |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- g2 _$ A$ m) ?8 n& {. A. T7 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 l% g2 G6 T* N4 Z& Q. V! I

0 m; ?) |; [# o( {1 \$ O% K8 m  h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 N+ {! E$ T5 n+ N- [) B* j$ V" z8 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# c0 ]9 F8 E& d% z& |) g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# U3 d8 r& f9 l$ A4 h, Z* Z+ V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 c0 }5 K& }5 ~0 E2 E
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. W& J* _, j9 a' y- Z! R) v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% i, Y& y0 ?' \4 W+ R. w, @8 I以下是其他人的見解,
" B: I" j9 Q* g6 R$ g: F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, R! v3 F) X4 i% a
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& h1 o2 `  L$ u! B( u3 e7 I4 ?

* g0 b! y. V! C6 F4 s" B$ U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 H) c0 \' K/ P* n
.............信耶穌... ...

( _( T- s! X, v  l& iRegarding the resurrection....
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4 a- S, ?- R  s$ rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( a' v& o1 @$ ?0 o6 dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.