Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* l# b) n, Q! ~% ~9 k' c$ J5 A% h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" k1 O: ^# g) i* n( F! ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 @: [, z. g5 `- x; Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 B9 Y1 D$ E9 p& I, J* g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 T! d# c( `. F2 Q3 w

1 x) c2 j: ~6 F! E, \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: b9 N* g" r7 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ y4 o$ I$ s, }9 y% v, h+ m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ u% {' Y; d& p, @( l2 y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 x7 a# a3 t6 B. Q真的!!這不是反話
; t6 {8 |7 {) Q9 F! J6 x. w因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 R$ [1 i' j  _' s+ O# A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 b4 \  d5 d4 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! D" }1 O4 {5 d8 |# d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) t* R5 E' N! X

$ S, I' d3 d* {- C  eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 P5 c* G( [; j, v( I/ L

9 N3 e; _' T; h* }, ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- b0 m1 I. o7 e- d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ x5 l9 g  F: l* C$ ["不信也沒損失"+ s) P; S6 u2 \! H5 F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' x4 o2 |, i3 H, G" t7 B1 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
& b1 v& ]: a4 h$ z6 b+ ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 s/ ]5 a) I# {, L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; Q. _) p; _2 M( y1 k只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  l) @/ m/ q' `  {5 H- H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) ]; i& m6 C. b. M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 N1 B4 R, C" B/ V, t* E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 h; H0 P1 G" U0 V1 S* @" c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# u) K+ a+ J% X

3 |" N7 m$ K* s( p2 a1 Q, T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; r/ f: t& M/ ]3 d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 s) N# _2 `# h" y" C! ]
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 ^' \& c! p1 M3 S$ F2 P  q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ i1 b1 \. p1 [% l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* x# J2 \& T# Y0 o  \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ G' _" C& c, U6 m( R( C) g& A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 I: `' X( K% T# O9 `) A以下是其他人的見解,
4 P3 n: S3 z, `9 y) _( H. a0 ~5 r' a% m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 P8 b7 y5 ]8 M% R- e; l
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! K& l# H% j: z0 I

# F% N4 s: t& I. r  C+ }. h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) m( g: e' G2 U# o8 W9 Y- t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ W% v6 |5 x. N$ R2 F8 z- h0 x
.............信耶穌... ...

: F2 J( F% L2 YRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ U% h: I+ q0 j- _) ^
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.