Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 O2 y$ n' P1 p0 A7 m4 j( ~+ A我係一個連自己都吳信的人* P7 d  ~. Y* ^' N+ g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 K6 W. d8 [3 g, c/ e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" A5 n9 _9 {7 E1 \7 a4 u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, w% Z8 }( p. g- o, Y9 x6 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& q: q% r2 H6 `( f6 ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 P& w8 X$ P5 [! d$ n' `( N

4 h* S* O9 R1 J' _3 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, E( m6 E1 B3 i# _6 Z; U6 Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 x! h/ t8 M( o) Y4 i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 ^6 x: `* M2 [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) S  `' x$ X( x" \7 |  g$ ^9 Y- V' E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 T$ n) @4 `) k: t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 V3 x' ?! \' n- IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ F* X" @2 C) @  c- OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! f  p& R% E5 w9 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% B* W' i3 L+ ^9 O! Q' @1 U; N# |"不信也沒損失"
" j8 k1 B+ [8 `- G& @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% G8 T  d( H9 U9 n2 A. n5 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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* O6 U: H, y" l; q5 c& W- jit's starting because we have sins......3 `; b6 B) e# O& n% I, q3 w& Y5 O5 ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, A0 I$ y9 [5 _( C! Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& V; ?3 ]% z  C  G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 O6 s# ^4 V7 w# `6 f8 {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% B( y! r6 @8 v# V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ a( p" y) g5 e8 W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# v& P- b% y% X6 P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- `) j% p% a5 K2 d3 D: C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 G- W. N2 h% H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( W/ k# A) y, N) \, ~5 f3 p6 R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% W! e' W6 S, [9 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 U& W5 b5 z3 ~: a  B0 s( R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# K( N) F* q; y7 O: F) h7 V! E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 ^0 W6 J% T# ~% s; q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  X  f9 g, M5 |8 j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 `5 ~3 \0 E0 n0 D: \. X( X5 F0 E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.