Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 u6 F& K2 T& ?5 H8 s; d+ @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) B. p% c' j+ B6 d$ r8 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" V) N/ E$ K5 q& r; N6 @8 c0 LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 _+ L% S+ ~% J9 z

  C/ D/ N, c# _/ hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 o2 B3 h( p9 }& _

% P3 I7 \2 U4 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& o7 D. O! m8 U" t2 @

0 N( Z0 @1 }: O$ A- z8 |$ T$ y7 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 d; X' V- g, P) [& Y; g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人% B0 x" F  D5 _1 i) W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( p/ I. ?: L4 V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, h# c3 E+ G, |, r7 O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% q0 z5 n* x7 [- C  C* y8 w4 i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 e3 F( o2 r  k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 i/ `! v: S; i; cWhat a statement we have here?9 i! c$ @7 E5 O4 g

- B; n8 u0 _6 F+ R. d2 o0 b% J4 mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& Q2 `" H/ i# u5 \& L3 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"8 U! O. H7 }# s7 ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." c, i6 t# U7 ]3 f3 Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 B1 E% k: p& h: O. |
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 s& |6 W1 f6 Q7 isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & D" L5 e/ k9 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 \2 r. q1 U( `, G/ h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# G* n4 @0 S8 z+ H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 P! W; @6 ^1 o% I! X7 V6 A7 k$ \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 p$ p% h& A8 B7 W7 y- H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 K1 ^: L# g0 Q5 L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 h( Y9 z2 ^  g9 d5 t% l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) Z) Z% E8 I8 U4 \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; N' b: \- A. V  r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. `8 L  _" m% n. Y" V+ A4 P* @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! f' S$ }* L- R* i: ^4 a7 I) {
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- |( k+ x' Y9 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 n' Y) T1 y. T: j  D3 w) H9 l

& x4 t1 a9 l3 Q; C以下是其他人的見解,
. p" _3 F7 u; Z+ @' K/ J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ I( p0 G' H) ]0 A# u; o
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 T2 M5 \  S; U& q4 `+ f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ }# B( a  l% j) t+ G6 k6 J

3 Z' C, L* x5 Y& S2 ?, K1 |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ g4 H7 i% X+ o! i" U' i
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 o) u9 v8 [, L2 Y8 W; o: h* W.............信耶穌... ...

. }8 V9 I# Q8 YRegarding the resurrection....
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; ]: R( m4 h0 c/ }9 gActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.