Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% h) Y9 y; z$ Z' ^. h0 I3 R我係一個連自己都吳信的人. g, h4 ~# i6 G* K" R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 }" a( g* ~. A. rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ X) ^9 J2 v2 J
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( E& e7 H, S9 w  _+ q+ ]* q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ f- A  p; N6 W7 q" o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 X3 r7 ^9 n- ~0 o/ Q- C. m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 x6 C" N" q, S% B" k真的!!這不是反話- G2 g( N" P3 o2 Z: K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 J4 m. s" y% d/ ?1 J3 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 E1 |7 U  W8 k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 X& [* P4 Y( h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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0 u5 ?4 r' G0 C% r/ w  LWhat a statement we have here?
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. S# ]. G* i0 B0 O' z* a& [; `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( n5 a2 |, I6 t4 I' l

7 `% f5 J! s/ a0 t7 f7 {2 a# LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ X7 G! v& Q& v. O) e( n& _% _3 s

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 Q2 g" a  Y) l+ ?* H' J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 P& ~: }  ]* u* L8 X/ k& y"不信也沒損失"
7 Q# K1 W/ P7 N. S) i5 B- e0 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., k6 H& e2 B: f% [3 M" W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 @! e6 E% W: j) B- A% r1 Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 l/ D7 {2 i# _' f$ ^$ ]1 ]: l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ z" M+ u/ ^; d8 \# z& V' W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 z' }9 H& |" t' t' G0 A, u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* c+ w. F" T, n( Z: x% f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 [, \2 [5 i3 w+ x9 ]6 i8 q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: n- u/ s& I: T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: H6 f' @  ^' L$ `8 W& Q" X2 I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 E; d3 a+ V' _$ E( r; V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 @+ J; j+ G; E, h  D9 L  v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& E, M0 n  Z5 D7 }; D* h5 C, @& {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 b: b/ u2 t& {# W$ t0 s5 Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& ]3 q# Q( k! ~宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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! O+ A: V. i& o/ R, R: ^2 s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 f$ [# ~) e0 G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, `7 _. I" Z* ?0 ]) f# v以下是其他人的見解,
5 c0 M9 R1 e& H" O5 \# b& E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" K) k' l9 B4 N! T4 f; A" h. M6 R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  I9 ]+ t: _# ~3 Y( a
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 v; l+ x% d2 t" a0 J) q

$ E" b) e# |3 v: ~2 l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. l* `! A7 F% p4 O+ ~8 S+ q! x$ @0 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) E% Z+ S8 F$ \; H2 s6 M  v# g7 a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' G) @: T& d3 L1 F6 y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.