Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 ~" j% T) Z& _9 G% ^' o* ^* @我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: j% {! t/ q* Q2 s& F8 S1 y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" X" A. X" q2 W; m# f/ ^( H道理我知道好多只係做吳到* o# S+ @! m# A1 @! T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 a9 C6 A2 X7 X6 n, T( u1 u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 B. V. a/ N2 |* S

6 |' ?7 h; O, ~1 Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# U5 S1 I$ o: ^4 b* [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! S1 e% `) v3 Y* S/ z; D% ?/ X5 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 ^/ v( P% {5 W6 F) N7 N9 T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) i) O' O7 t7 ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... O- z5 ]9 Q8 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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% G8 M9 [0 j" J' j0 d( E2 A; G* SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " N" ?, z+ B$ a

% B/ r. S" m& D! n/ W. h. PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. _1 w! B, K2 l) M: z
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
  n' x6 I' j$ |/ _7 E- GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& B* E9 j+ R# j! ]' z( L3 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) s  @, N" R7 Z* P  o, u  D

& ~, }# c6 \2 R- Oit's starting because we have sins......
+ n) H7 ~8 I, x8 X1 msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( S  p" O; _  A. R9 m: w7 H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; w9 J' {! r' x; r8 |6 C! D# K, \: {1 N只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 l+ a+ C( f3 _3 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% X6 S0 J) q9 _6 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& E+ r% m: d3 ^9 l# g8 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 D. S  e1 k8 X$ Y; {! u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* w- R, ^8 r% ]8 ~* [+ ?' h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# v+ g7 j2 ]+ ~7 [6 t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, w) b% a7 i+ X6 S; _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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1 b# a# l# L- y4 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! Q; _  m) K/ l' X; e3 L. T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% A! r% f, W$ c" Y# m/ k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 ]4 W- {( p  `! o/ I( X6 Y; u0 R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 r! _2 ?9 I8 E3 Q: j6 W6 B7 V以下是其他人的見解,
# _8 W/ l. V* p7 g7 V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 o# n( a- a0 ~) `; W: F  V
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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7 h* e' H9 |% D. D( i- Y, V. F[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( Q$ D' }8 w, H7 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 s- j7 ^: d/ b; R2 n8 S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; y8 q. c5 t3 a! p% h
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( W, i: l( R/ J4 |$ y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 L9 K6 G5 P9 T$ B! l. P  ^6 D.............信耶穌... ...

, {* L5 r+ A7 A1 m* WRegarding the resurrection....: i2 k/ y3 z- M" a

. N" E6 Y0 y6 ?  YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 I" P6 X1 ^) l2 M; J5 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.