Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- r2 n) O) C! D4 H  i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 [0 F& z7 U; q# A: z* g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 S; w' x% v( E# H5 v8 r道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 f, o5 K4 @+ G: g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" A( c1 ]! c+ {, ?8 O! CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" F7 \6 v8 \7 e4 [! g% L( s  HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! z' d1 k4 Z% s1 O9 B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 c8 d  }/ S* y) s0 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% W5 v5 d: d7 N: B5 Z1 J  k+ h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' J6 Y4 @+ m+ u  R4 I0 m我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 y7 a, ~# E9 Z2 e: T- M
真的!!這不是反話
% g! P( n, V! I% z- b. s+ u: Y因為我是情感比理性強的人5 C( B( H9 i( z& V( ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- D" m+ Z- J" r1 Z3 V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; h. K3 g6 `: r, q8 I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( _& T% L" ~7 M* U" u$ U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% T; X  ]. I1 ^6 a  ]5 S4 ^What a statement we have here?
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1 f# r* T0 \7 ~% m. xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . Z; U  H, y" a: o# a. ^2 g

9 u8 {5 X3 @3 rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"; U2 V: K* S. ]. _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 _3 {* P+ E! n4 D1 y# O4 e9 f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( @+ A' b; E& v1 A* p+ iit's starting because we have sins......
. i) R7 l3 I! @0 g9 dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % w, {* M$ t0 ~4 \3 h8 d0 m' W" J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" B2 Y, d' T& w+ M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 ~+ O" \: n% K8 g/ ^! O/ o- o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: w1 B) \$ b4 I$ O+ I" I5 Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 L! L8 B4 x% e' s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% o6 [, m& v9 K$ Z) \" U( ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 G. ^* H' f' g1 ~

3 R+ V( {. U: y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- f& b" x* _6 o. q/ H, ~5 o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 k8 i; H% u$ G5 q# `

* J9 N% c2 P5 u; g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 F5 F; A- Q# G& p2 O% B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, x: z2 O& o7 Z2 m# C8 p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# P/ h) P" \& k) K" O1 U% W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 {0 C0 r# K& n8 ]4 x- z! e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) {) `: J: v! b; C1 F/ j4 l# `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ z! x. n' j0 C! T
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以下是其他人的見解,& e  f# c- h' z% u, W1 C4 s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 G5 d( z% x6 ]$ K- v& o
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. W4 q$ [6 r* R; V9 ?$ i) C+ _
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ q1 _& v9 x2 [3 p# M" D+ m5 j
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 y6 [( k3 y! x0 d# C& w0 `

0 X6 |, f$ ]& ^) P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& X0 ], @4 f5 M8 n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.