Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' t. F3 x0 q1 ^) F4 Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) t5 s4 d, \3 r& n又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# b7 J) Z4 o' Y2 @6 M
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ H! d! `& E# O9 p4 S7 ?: j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 k2 ]7 x' K+ W

% a& |4 l6 h* uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... h# w" P! u. T1 i7 {1 }: S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; U* ]5 M. _) t; Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 f5 }9 b% v6 M7 @0 q我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 x- m, i4 n* q8 ^7 y* h5 X
真的!!這不是反話
) Q3 k# \7 E9 [; z2 q因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," M; S; r: c5 p1 m9 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; a* E, m* o/ B' f- e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  I$ Q/ J6 ^3 E# P' e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) [7 z- b( w2 B' Y& o$ C+ BWhat a statement we have here?5 g4 }/ |* k  d3 j7 v" a% Y; O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- w1 U  z: |. j' j( E# iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ [5 G6 {5 h4 A, N

0 @: G& W5 v: ^: D2 q" }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& z' l! {& h5 m: I$ I/ M  j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ }4 w" \# Y( w" a: T"不信也沒損失"
* {4 r' H4 F$ t4 H7 E4 m5 zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." R# Q1 v1 ]& D% z5 o1 }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" G# M7 e7 e9 w- g2 |- t( git's starting because we have sins......2 }1 M. ]! T' [, w, M4 O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( e! M% c  @* t0 N. p: H7 _: R# }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 E/ K* E5 M! r1 Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  H1 h: r1 {. K5 a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" H$ j( L; j3 \, J+ ~, r, @6 _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) O9 |, h9 U; S9 B: \( n6 V) y9 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 H+ I1 s* ~6 s. [5 i# S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ \4 z, P0 F+ M5 S

2 O/ g1 x* k) ^  V, |. x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 j4 {- f9 x1 V. V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% `! N; j: X' i7 E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 b! }$ H/ ~. b! G2 m% X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ K/ r7 e; o$ ?' ]8 l$ n7 E% P8 R# z% v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ o/ [' V. Z! L! {' C
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, T3 g1 S3 l  c$ ^% [

" w# R# g" A) ?# Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! s2 H' Q4 q, T9 Q. X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 h# n" g/ j" w) E5 ^3 C3 T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. p# l# I% {  U7 l3 E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 t7 V: C. r" g3 f.............信耶穌... ...

4 G% h! ]3 D2 ^& F) G* C# ^5 dRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 d: h+ [6 {. u8 ]& w" J
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.