Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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. I/ u- j$ ?, W: n' s( C道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ B4 a6 K1 ]# [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. \/ Y; l8 S* ~( c

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 H% B) H8 C( v% L. u% o3 G( M7 J1 j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- a6 {7 p1 y; Q* _7 ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 J8 ]4 R( y# n
真的!!這不是反話
9 Z4 ]5 c( T  a0 U+ P因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 t5 {6 m6 _, p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  B! n9 Z5 O$ X" q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., X1 v' J4 Q" \$ P0 B3 D% F! x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) V! F: M; P, w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  Q/ ~6 `* c% ]% x% oWhat a statement we have here?
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7 c7 n2 }  m; @+ C" G' lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * @" f, Z; ]; b" C  u
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 t1 Y0 D; ?% z; HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! j+ B" S; U% j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 e( Q, g9 H/ N/ ~% T"不信也沒損失"
8 X# S6 q  V. u# u& d* C" W+ zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 D2 M6 F9 p! l& Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 t# L6 w8 u1 C
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it's starting because we have sins......+ t( N3 P) D# j% D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# K7 e& t! H- w9 H. S& I; Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! N/ v1 F; w4 r* r0 {6 W' k& {3 k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" u. {; Y# w6 Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, a/ i0 \1 \- e1 d# ^4 Z9 {( [/ h7 r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 T  t9 H& [) ^; }- K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* {" F  h# J3 L# s, I2 J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; O- p& o9 G3 S# f/ x8 y' s  y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ b& d- s1 _  X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 p; s8 [: m+ h6 J  t; Q

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  ?6 z& [/ _- W4 l) U9 J: q8 }
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以下是其他人的見解,1 x3 B7 C& i( P6 l9 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" J! V2 ~# n2 J6 f& e1 V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  u4 h# G- e& Z2 U6 |8 R9 ^

& h4 u' Z: k+ G* Y- H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 c& `5 h. y- t: ?

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 _" I% V/ N1 iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! W- n) T" ^& y. ~

7 A9 v$ f8 k' u: X5 R" {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.