Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 P( R& _: C/ ~# `# X我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 W. {; u7 U; W6 x* t又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  }; C, @3 k2 [/ M( c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- }- ~5 W1 W% K  B0 w/ w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, f5 W7 N5 X+ ^* m; {

' e+ _+ h( s0 V  B' z6 V% ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# x. J9 E. C& Q2 K* s2 ^+ ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 Y+ V+ |" N6 D/ ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ a( j% W4 ?" W% E8 X# Y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 H; g" a" ?+ t/ U6 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 U6 i4 \3 n/ \6 m
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, y" I& D7 J% ]3 y# l5 J: [. @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- g1 C! U! v) D& e' v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- V( S$ t& [, n7 ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% E, W7 j, N* J* x, X* L+ Q) t& x+ U2 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 i. a! H( X% O. t: E9 VWhat a statement we have here?
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- q' w5 \8 j8 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : K% ^. G7 `6 A8 }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ y6 d2 I9 Y0 X9 U, p- `
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 U  }3 T+ C, ~5 C' B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" E% d% _. X9 X* Q; I"不信也沒損失"
3 N. s0 o5 j# z) |5 H: ^5 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 W* W! p2 q" j5 Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& M) ~- y% N; I2 y
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 `) N" p5 R3 `# i+ ~" Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & p1 j4 o; m" }) b# F  Q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; W1 m9 Y  ?2 h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ l# z+ J: l$ m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 t/ S% Q$ i- ?* q& A, v" b. w$ l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ k0 b3 ~/ a* B- R2 f* A8 E( Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, c& ]" o) {( V& [$ i7 o

' U+ D' {. R( u- _' W" D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! ?9 q; ~( ^9 j改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, M: Q7 p- T4 V2 I3 l8 B7 N9 g" _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' l3 ?: q4 c% p) v; O/ Q4 t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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! E% g/ G6 T) c" a以下是其他人的見解,
! `. T' s! A" O2 j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ V' d  d( ^5 L" M' l
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* A, ~1 g- v. M0 s4 [

9 x: r8 p8 s/ A0 L2 x% e+ T+ O# Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. Y, m! h3 f8 F: L6 @) x7 B7 L+ _

- u/ ^' Q- U0 B. @1 [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 O; q7 Y7 Q% B/ b; {7 \

# ^0 v9 Q* X8 D7 l/ o, ]' R( G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 r! B$ `% j0 h! B2 u0 u' @+ Q
.............信耶穌... ...

; X( K$ w/ \; ^; c5 MRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.