Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* ~8 V" x: \% a/ V3 z1 E5 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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; ~3 z" {2 V% _2 Y" I道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 a& l/ q: e) [5 M+ q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; c+ A+ B, z) R6 ]- RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ a- r) d4 J& Y) j% e) P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 m, j* t5 l8 S' w7 ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 i( p' e5 J6 Q) S

1 L& Y/ r' T: L1 U. @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- K6 U0 X! S  k2 C7 S- |
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 Q& T* S  P' F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 u3 [2 [$ t6 z2 X/ z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' R/ c' F6 F1 S0 l* ~' B& ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' a+ @4 T( s: W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  B: Z* t" f: D* b- ~2 p0 H7 mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ S+ s! p# y4 i0 I) X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* M5 E- z  }# J* _
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 ~  C: S5 ?( B. N"不信也沒損失"! h6 @, y3 M" e+ ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......+ A& }& |9 X8 x; N: `* E1 y/ C# y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & e( d' ?2 ~6 s0 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' y; {5 M5 d. i) }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 m& W: T; u4 H! p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# \2 C* ^: S& f3 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% x% _! A3 M( K5 H6 S7 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! G! Z- R9 Z9 p  m1 v, c7 q: F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 |! \8 `7 r' d# I/ x' N# t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 K% i! e6 Y, o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) g1 f/ X; z. A: \; s' k. K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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" u; B' ?; M( O! r* A# [, D2 ~# i/ s以下是其他人的見解,
2 C" _6 h3 r/ M' M4 A4 p! n. q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; P* R) K  h7 k# ]# g* Z7 w3 u

  s' V/ h7 [7 R% ?* G2 h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. y" i8 I+ _% K' }0 p% X, w$ \

- ]8 \% @6 ~, W) F5 z$ K& j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" w* T$ {) w1 S5 D$ s

2 x* ]5 F& }" S  N, F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* p) Y& s' r) q9 g8 C.............信耶穌... ...

+ L0 v, j: B3 L  a' L' M& f$ vRegarding the resurrection....
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& g- Z- O! q& _( ?( GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* H; ~% B: _3 b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.