Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ d( S( Z2 A: n4 N6 U* `4 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ b) }: _9 {+ K: S$ f3 S$ |% I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ a# d6 ~& h9 ^3 y4 a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# F4 z+ o  t9 `2 f2 @" K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- ^! ]" s4 R6 h
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' d- z- E& ^, G5 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! F# j/ I4 ?, l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- S( n& `# L! q  h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% H/ s% P6 w. B4 Q6 U' f4 K0 R  I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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$ r* ]1 F8 _5 Q2 }What a statement we have here?! t) _" [8 h- Y0 D9 g
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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# T1 o( G2 o1 b+ Y) }: V"不信也沒損失"
( J& r$ J0 V; q! p# q  PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 ]& |% Y9 J9 d" {) v& t0 S* u# X6 W+ m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- d8 e' c- v4 |  u9 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ m8 _$ ^3 I& e6 ~3 S: ]8 ]0 l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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- r6 H1 k- P# q! L5 q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* p  W8 H# u1 d* Y) }' [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 C# W1 H; F( U1 a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& t, W/ k: p. y  J
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  o  h% k) A. Q! ~

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ M: ?$ O4 c" m: s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# j1 M8 E# a2 ?6 c  u* m& `3 ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  v# x: U! i% U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 V; Z+ v- B6 `7 O6 f9 d7 ?+ v+ h

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. N6 Z* k" m8 m* f* y1 @. mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.