Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 y6 r9 s& A& E  b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 h% i. F" o3 }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 |, l# n! L3 R( x道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 `8 o) ]" C: t7 u3 _6 H5 I% P呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% t3 B1 D) O( o8 [) B% a" GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ X7 D  p  N! S6 j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ ~" r9 P& v/ Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 N. f0 P# A2 @) Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 d# C) x- N0 g. v: Z6 I
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 E/ i! d% v7 n  I, u0 O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 P& H9 d; i+ ]) X2 ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' P4 U2 r  d) J- o& _, a) e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ b) w9 A& V. N, A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; Z5 e6 x8 K2 Q+ y

. p" k; @7 P8 ?: u* pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- Q) j0 v1 @/ e7 n8 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: C; A1 ~7 a. e9 S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"/ K9 ~' h) r4 ~" \4 {! S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ \, Z' n+ L- M6 z4 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
! B! E' g: C' @satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ R7 ~$ d' {4 q$ s" X. your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& T6 b6 o4 o" v, a7 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ n/ _( c: H/ R5 `  [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 f9 ]9 L. ]; U6 O. Z- J% H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" s; L0 H) Y2 T- \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, s1 Z. a5 }1 Q9 L6 e) c$ b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' t2 z  c1 M# [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( s9 {! F" z! `/ K- m6 n3 r" P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& H! S& Q. C9 I$ y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, i9 X6 I3 l1 v* }/ B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 g( g8 @/ m1 I' P2 j/ r& y- v+ ~4 h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 i* r5 B7 h/ H) S! z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ r4 U) v5 |8 |; d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  T0 f" s" z2 u  ^$ w# V

6 o  w0 `( ~0 [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.