Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' [4 T, Q! a# \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  |+ \$ g! f+ P( F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 Y$ j+ S; N1 {. H# @# k$ J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 |) p$ O, K3 r呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" l; L& K: Z! }4 o( ]+ E% S4 ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# A# h4 N' P" F# I/ U0 H0 {! u3 F

: g  R/ H4 ^& H# M. n2 G' ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." ]) c6 Z$ p% U9 i

) ^% W: D  }0 P9 f) w$ @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ x% X+ X; e5 c4 C% m( X& d

" X( L( t" B: N' x- Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' {( F* @) _" J: j* c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% Z2 E; k! r% T% A. f4 o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 z# ^7 l* ?* E真的!!這不是反話
' J3 j0 [- o: r/ G因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ b0 L# o+ z' K+ M7 v所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* L3 n3 O) y% |4 ^; e) f9 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) P+ K, `  G* _( T2 q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: M  U- \7 S/ g. X2 d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ |" s2 x% `+ D) Y/ g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 R/ P. M5 b1 w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 a: N4 ^$ u3 Z% c- t, Q% E( y- L

# E' I: y. e0 [$ u/ w: b9 ^) lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ X/ h  P' K# P8 \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  X( |5 W. c2 v2 C( l( R* g"不信也沒損失"$ T! [: J) h/ Y# R6 x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 |8 E! P' |/ b9 O' C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 N7 V; [6 P8 {+ c. k* ]

9 \$ h# t% N5 E$ ]4 O" iit's starting because we have sins......4 R. q) E& R5 o5 i$ `) e4 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ O* }; [1 o7 K* f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! w5 K- q) v8 O3 |, o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ ^; a2 h+ I& C" f! q% D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 F! S$ b9 z8 b* q/ h, p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 A. S) R/ [$ Q. m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 r9 m& I7 g( @; J0 x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 X; Y0 ~# H7 {! _( ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ P* V& Q: `. ^1 T' a& V' _* [* m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 e0 G# @# l0 S

, K+ f0 t3 F& B7 L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: B, G$ q. o3 K( c# J/ V- ]& U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 k' k. {/ `( Q% b7 Q/ [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 r1 v, M+ A# r5 Z( J( E( p( R

: D9 Y2 E1 x$ E1 y7 _& ~/ C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," e: q# G# p, z* u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
( W9 R  V% |6 g4 i% h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
5 p$ `; D0 P3 k! |: thttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! S) A( Z) o# j6 ]* t9 d  d1 ]1 T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' p( x% Q* q+ ?( d
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 ~! s0 P# v# y

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 Y7 r- U0 ^4 [3 J# _
.............信耶穌... ...

3 A+ S& ^( B- }3 P8 S3 H3 MRegarding the resurrection....
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' X. o7 s8 |( P- ~& D2 k1 a; bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( E, C+ X7 V) D6 p( MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.