Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ M/ f" U2 C4 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" k* o& ?) y; ^  Y) s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. |. W! f' Z- r) U道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ ~* O" D, ]* \/ _! q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 L4 ^  z% `0 V" @4 l+ i9 |* P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! A/ }) Q$ w% o9 Z: a0 C4 j# Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. b! q5 b$ g: M1 ~# n8 ?) q; v% t我只不過微小的基督徒...................) ]0 u! k! A" R# p, ?9 K
真的!!這不是反話
: D5 v8 {: c% b' f( x9 d因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  ^2 q' j7 _* H) A: v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: H1 E, _( y' p4 N: @* W" s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 d) g- h( v1 W3 z  W, V% Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; B0 m6 i/ ]0 Y% I6 {! x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' {' }# e$ \: B# GWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 q) h. j+ g. O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ c; y  ]* I( }6 F; [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 ^, C* q; {; v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 H; j# t4 Q7 }, {. f: f. l6 M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 z; v0 [% X$ o"不信也沒損失"
5 a6 W; ^$ M7 t( z5 B# |' u9 AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: K, z+ S# n0 Y( o) @- I- n+ |# Y  f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' B( m* t# V4 `2 _* f% b" C9 r

- ~% c. g" N& E" Iit's starting because we have sins......
' r- b- S* |' A, lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , ?5 [' W& I- @8 r. [+ ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ V( E8 c0 F# {2 W4 r5 W* n* R$ j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# _+ B2 O3 ?& V6 b5 B0 X. o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 p) }- h' v( q. L9 x' @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 c+ H  ~% n% q' E2 c0 Y

( P, l* l) v* M! U3 o; c7 N9 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# n$ b: X9 X  u( m* m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: k+ F$ I# p+ d

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  w# t: g$ C1 L$ g) g% \% n/ m9 ?0 l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 O$ @0 C4 ?9 l" P

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2 \7 ^$ c* y, Z9 ]/ ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 E5 e. n8 }2 _, @/ y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 `$ M1 u( G9 |9 Q

! n7 |6 C4 t' K: U! P& M$ l- T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 M& r& ^$ U3 ?9 \& g5 ^! ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 e& g7 z& A% w1 w$ v

7 I; Y8 m# m* w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) w! C8 Z. u9 s; h+ R' }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  X/ y+ A3 S# ^' L+ U! x
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 _! K' n5 s' i% c4 o& bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.