Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. _7 L3 ~, y, P  E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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4 i' q$ L6 I( H1 L1 ^5 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 C) W% h. k& m" U/ [6 J; Q2 y- k呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 b2 o/ G# L5 v( v: x
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 X* W3 w; w  C6 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 O: b- d, T0 D1 k" ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人* Q0 U3 w" E5 p9 `" u1 _$ `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 G$ |# m: Q9 u% P! z0 W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 X) ~$ Q% m$ R9 p. x) e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ Y" E, `  \/ }5 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % e6 Y7 q: Y& _$ M

6 N- X  G% A: L+ {6 P9 R! z& x* VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 B9 D4 |- b6 w* L% S

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' ]$ }( V( G, i, K- ], h"不信也沒損失"
" H  I6 r1 ]! h; Z: k1 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( J: Z2 o7 q" j' b) a( ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ Z" w. H6 }" I8 ~
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it's starting because we have sins......9 m$ S* Y( h) L) P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 P) N' B1 F' [" m5 P% t! t
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 C; A: j5 U. W. v, |$ R9 _( }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 L- K9 T: j& Y0 p6 \/ i. |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," C9 |* j" u# [: l  [9 e6 U+ X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' @6 m4 }5 y8 u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 Z; O  V  r3 C# V' ]1 Y& g5 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 A3 e+ t; ~1 K8 Q( Q) U) W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, k+ y! o( K0 [9 ^

8 G& y7 s+ w$ t以下是其他人的見解,
; @. r" Q4 W& |8 u6 d$ q. }看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; U' a, |- m( E$ Q* f: f' t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 W1 ?4 P  y' @: m, a6 \1 j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, ~4 i8 P9 w) W" g# A! n6 D
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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5 R/ K- t7 ]# k9 V& KRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: |' v% V7 i5 k/ P" c8 @+ m' J

. m9 K: F6 L1 l  o% T! PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.