Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 a, s( J5 `+ K; w& e/ G我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 k8 ^' M0 w/ o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" O! K! h3 _3 k, n0 ~$ [道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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% ?' o- P5 s3 X( _" P; iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 R+ q+ z) N3 Y( f  J" i我只不過微小的基督徒...................( y! U2 d3 K0 Q5 l7 [9 p/ b
真的!!這不是反話- v: A3 r( N2 \; B) m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  R! I7 E2 [5 w6 f0 G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 }0 y- Z- i7 v: y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' X3 a) [" e: J/ r, M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  ~6 O. d+ ^0 w4 XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( _% O6 k& }2 U# d7 l. f' d) c+ w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) z8 x; M, L4 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  A- {5 a5 l' A# u5 i4 j, N0 A"不信也沒損失"
- _  S/ }9 \7 g: Z6 e8 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 q$ Y4 W2 }: {1 g1 q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ Z5 X) ?, Y2 V8 M- Y! Cit's starting because we have sins......
6 g8 Z6 Q& a, C4 h( P( xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( M( A+ T+ D( _% X4 g  i4 f* Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- j( p3 o; z/ {: e( C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 m" a- `/ @' e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* O1 w  _  D2 j) o& [3 G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- _  Y) |$ P2 ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( U! |' `" u; b/ \; x/ ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ ~9 F0 {( U; M" R2 g% m

. Z) X4 j+ j4 _' L# o2 ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; z: L& O6 h/ q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 P  N1 |9 }) C# L& F! Q$ Y

) N  Q# Y: |% z6 x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 A1 x/ v8 y7 A& _; o+ {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 h# Q5 J5 M5 _( r+ Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ T" {1 F$ ]. `7 Q$ a. G! m
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 _5 _8 y# H9 N# f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 M& Z( b! X5 y6 B- Q+ B& ~6 ^

  [( M6 c! F2 D  \2 Z" s8 e5 t" [以下是其他人的見解,
4 n1 }. Q$ Q: F* t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( u+ B! s  q" u, f
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: L: @# x6 [+ {

6 B2 W0 t) \; Q8 {6 R; [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& b0 V- H6 j3 L

! i' e! Y- E/ g+ N6 U/ \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ }, x8 B" _1 v7 E1 q7 S6 [% S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 \" |" {( i5 b9 J1 {

0 i6 o1 e* k2 Z) {Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  h+ ~" }/ f- A6 W  r

# |  @( Q) Z$ ?9 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.