Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ U+ K3 j! P4 {  X2 a) K' x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 _: S' R# u9 Q* A' S又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* F0 F" q( g. h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 e% i4 O5 @3 I4 f呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 R. S1 [% v" p4 ?+ ~6 g: C" P0 t3 i

) w" Z$ x$ X! G( X: t% TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 l7 m4 B  n3 A) l  x8 o4 Y

/ r! y' y5 \/ V) M* Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& Z; H; R; t0 Y

, ^' S# h" X) s) r$ K2 O) [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# w5 p8 L) w9 a6 Q# n+ C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! p( _6 O& Q6 h1 |4 A/ Z: S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% s4 D; \9 p# q5 O8 ~7 Z9 r
真的!!這不是反話
) a, [/ T9 I6 w. b因為我是情感比理性強的人& Q: z+ S  g" h( |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 A" A( M, ^  P( n) k* S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 {' ]. c  y. K% c5 Z( T4 }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* A9 w( N. e8 c" P$ U- Y* [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* C4 T/ b: K) p( q) _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 n4 c' x$ @) g4 e, D% M4 k3 eWhat a statement we have here?
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4 ^" z0 g7 L. n7 cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: L% J3 w. c. T' h

' M3 G0 E  v, I9 GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ u$ X8 q: _  A; }, @$ ]
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& c. b5 `# J7 K& {0 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 y( t6 L) ?' f- L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 E! s' K: R! U" B8 \! ], }9 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., r& C! f, E( M6 P8 S
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it's starting because we have sins....... }5 U- l$ Z+ M, Y  O( d- Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 `3 s! `  e! j; M9 Y6 y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 x) ^2 M' r: F0 w& m1 z( z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% g0 Z1 q/ q- k9 Q* z! O: M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 V$ j% p3 u. s6 Y' ~- c$ ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: P( l3 J0 n2 H' a$ ?% I" e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- K: h8 C1 q5 u2 i, W& q: e  I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* R1 Q0 [0 |; ?8 w# a6 L  `1 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! g& e- V  x. a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) n; [  h: `7 _4 w2 d0 A; Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. W8 h% D1 F+ m) X* A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- v. ]2 K, h" ~8 G

- B4 \3 T- q! w! e; I/ y' {宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ X8 b, N3 T' d# b" c) [
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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  B1 k) A: w) j1 {1 O以下是其他人的見解,
3 M7 U' _" o* \( u5 D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 G# P' P0 U6 X% F5 {
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ U, K/ R$ {- r( e

$ f# ]5 y; \- S+ Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, D1 B( g7 l% w! q3 d/ |- Y

1 U- ~, I& f. f3 U' Y) y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, y7 W5 P' v1 W8 e% T. i) W

3 i7 V6 S" v: d# g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ }+ i* q4 `. y, h" d% e& H0 m.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; b+ X9 {  i9 W# Q  ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.