Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 M- M  v7 ?. M我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ W2 q# g: y& M/ c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. ?7 [9 [: D- p& ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到: p3 {; R! z' L, D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' P2 t. Q' a# K7 w2 eNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' q$ E' N$ {4 D9 G$ T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ t% }6 y1 Q/ A5 _9 a6 o. e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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2 c0 T. P5 l) _7 {* _& j) O$ D因為我是情感比理性強的人. Z7 j& L8 i* {% r: W0 B6 \! ~1 T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; T; V. x; s4 y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 ]$ E- O" J' w% f4 C2 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." v6 V/ O+ s- e: H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 y# I2 n1 V% k; P7 I' [! ]& w% j, O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  \& n: w+ H9 D8 L& M
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , `  }+ p4 L. O6 O/ A5 k
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% Z) |, p- T3 `' i& P( P5 X0 @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ ~8 R# V: G9 Y$ G# m1 ^, u- _
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' H% ?. Q9 m+ h: d$ J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: n1 i4 [& @3 E' K( [6 U! B2 Q"不信也沒損失"
4 G3 T( |! K# x2 c9 `8 QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ E" L9 x9 |0 d* g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 E, F( [2 j0 \& L5 I# q$ y, K) M
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 a; }  M# [; A+ V: d5 B& K3 Z+ u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. U. z. I6 c6 W1 y) ]5 u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 s- _$ ?2 e$ g( W! X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 e- X+ B2 N6 ^, b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 C6 _- m; G% F. E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ ]4 G! {2 C' j2 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  `2 _( i5 k# g, k# h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' t, V) J) g3 V/ R' ]
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' K* }1 s# v& ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  c& I8 I( f/ r& ^% r( }6 [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 E, J. |9 Y3 S0 j5 Y' v! ~. K
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 @4 Y! d/ [# J" o  _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) t6 |2 D$ h$ O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# |$ \) L) T6 ?8 [

3 y0 p- Q, s/ F( ~7 {以下是其他人的見解,
! D9 y1 w$ z/ [$ o3 ]2 b看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ }, f* K# d9 J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 A! w" [, M7 |1 s& v8 H! C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; w( T4 ^& x+ }
.............信耶穌... ...

# S( g3 }, x) V; r" sRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.