Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, m0 [( P8 |& t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 Z% E9 r5 l* E9 @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, o# f5 I' k* m: z. c7 {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 q/ r- S* r/ _& Z) C4 x2 q

% \; t- D1 U5 o/ p4 E) @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ `) n& X* ?+ b. dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., D3 c5 ~3 e2 ^
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ a& _  u* |+ z; f2 X5 Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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# s+ T! ?8 F8 P) [( U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," Q, T1 A0 `% N8 O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- a4 ^2 `) ?; H3 x2 \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... g, l% K/ ~& M# I6 o  [" Q# D! m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 g5 k  b$ T: i4 \4 _  @, U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. w; ~2 w  M4 {' ]  TWhat a statement we have here?
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" s1 N1 \0 i" DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 R2 W# C+ w/ @4 N' D: XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' X2 M8 j1 L* }7 A

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ T0 |4 r% @$ [2 l. W"不信也沒損失"
: c+ i% F& c: N2 E% QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. h2 f+ [0 D2 X8 wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  h  Q8 r( l3 W% m) m7 g6 kit's starting because we have sins......( }8 L9 q9 \! h0 `% `7 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ H, y' n7 h+ |8 j7 |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": c2 u# Z$ x. E) w9 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- o! I9 @  v% V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ d; E" z$ V/ {$ j* R, K: `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 {/ c! Q; l5 J0 r8 ?- p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 k) q% }1 x( E6 k# A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ J' {2 C& v4 X8 a0 p

4 q+ ]( \: U: \) [2 V  Q2 M9 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 S% R1 L) H; b/ ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 S% u+ c& Q( A* r6 P! x" X  \5 g2 L

& m- z/ z2 {9 a% r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 u/ k* D: x0 W1 p0 }* k, I* U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( V% m) f, n- e" [% d7 Z, N1 ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... ~& z0 T4 {; M

% y+ U: {9 D5 v# c# R7 ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 K+ h( e2 B. d3 V7 k; l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,, p/ ]3 m! |9 c3 P+ K5 T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 d! U! i  s2 n8 x& b! R5 ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 P. v. O0 u' r/ c4 x% n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  g6 ?' o0 X5 m5 h+ ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# g) r' B' b# d3 @: P! \
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.