Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, k. {) j7 T2 W: E$ T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 ]2 S! `; d: g6 S9 `* d6 a1 z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& q5 i# n" h7 `% P9 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! X, S2 X$ T2 y! N" c$ w8 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

. W1 N9 V- B6 ^1 b6 d& m, n6 {' L- k. v
Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ X- I/ i% l5 \: O. e* D, Z
$ M, s0 w- p" U9 }$ {9 W
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 l/ Q! M# b6 l! N7 h) V
) ?- S, D; t9 k% P- H- U3 E( j" |
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ \1 o! f& c( p2 F* n9 d' i
4 l. k0 r. j  t* o  K9 h
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& e2 d* G) t/ U2 }8 V+ O5 H& mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 K" E8 w+ K3 q( f& G! n: J! S
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., U1 s; {; I; E6 \  m* j/ Z
真的!!這不是反話
( p6 g9 k  K* P% _+ _因為我是情感比理性強的人
, X- u/ X9 }. d/ B; }1 u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& \+ l7 S' i# \& h/ b! q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& M9 a  G0 s- U5 n* o+ w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
( f% b+ y' L" i. c- [- ~3 Q8 I/ i正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 k& X3 Y( O4 `8 q0 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

. O2 o! y$ t6 ^8 E

5 v" X7 @- Z* i' gWhat a statement we have here?
6 u* m- v) U9 G# V) c
8 A4 a, G* j' s: NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
# ^9 U% E* ~6 G
* b$ q( x( P& s: [# a7 v9 nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 N) R" u2 N, k
; k6 K8 D( S9 T' }
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* p' `9 l; n- v$ [/ r

: }: n0 L& a8 P1 m; w" x:cool:) W* R1 D# h9 q% z
4 C8 T4 P$ l. Y3 W$ \: G
[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- ?: A7 M; F' O1 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

% \5 d3 r. T( \- R

2 e1 z( Q8 e  R/ u$ Z" K# e"不信也沒損失"5 G5 y4 J+ ]1 ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% K: d, }$ G! H4 W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
( ~; y4 S9 M1 u1 I* W5 {& D% b* f
/ r. p, i& e/ o" e; q9 vit's starting because we have sins......: K# R) U' S; {) F. c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / V, V* Q" n' d- F/ N" i
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; v% z% o" }! J& @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 e: {0 s  _  T# W; H3 x用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: A) L7 }) r; U5 f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. [. e2 P/ C5 ?) ~( `8 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, Z- w2 E3 w0 `# \  ?, C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ [) V: R' Y) [% u, i' e

6 w  i. q- ]6 k+ L# I$ J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ a! B% {; x4 e  U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& n' T6 a6 u) b

( J0 I; c* D. R7 r! ]7 L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: e1 R+ z' v" y2 ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) R; Y' k+ E/ Y- @; l& k2 Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
) P9 M8 b4 r. J5 V8 u5 A" q+ o; i% O* ]! f
宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ A% A% b* G: }
6 F" s9 o; e4 I
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* F, O* _( j+ ]( Q& _" _, y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; x8 B: o+ A8 F8 b0 I

# v. U) r( X( y: d以下是其他人的見解,3 n& t( g: y& N- {. j& D5 c, u( t4 X8 W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
$ V7 m$ c; O  B# Uhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
% T! {2 @6 Y: `- t! P0 `
  N1 _5 ~' b+ A" R% o9 j7 u[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" ~* H7 U5 r- C5 E/ n9 j8 U) X1 @: X
$ z7 |! A7 D2 v! T! D% j3 M
信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
0 ^( O5 l! j4 _/ w( V
1 w4 K+ ?8 o. c" j8 Y4 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* V# l$ v) J3 l  t7 w3 J

/ a" ]  p- v: F/ ^% a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
, L, @4 \6 Z* j% L
2 R7 B4 B3 [0 M1 Q! P6 o0 |  U0 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" m! l5 \; `1 r+ B% V4 A$ {! G.............信耶穌... ...

, u7 r3 {( c9 G7 f
Regarding the resurrection....
/ V3 x! ?: A. E" j5 D+ G
9 O6 X4 z0 }. n3 SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- }; J5 B0 [( }3 w6 r  h

8 |0 G7 H/ i0 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.