Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 u, W- h+ s: _; D9 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 l+ P3 e- B6 D. U9 R1 r8 g- O6 g, S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 o2 q: Q5 ?$ N6 q) e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 Z% n2 c* p  @/ T# I9 l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ a' R4 H9 _$ \' g9 f  @
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 ]0 ]6 q, l9 v4 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 d, c- B8 ]! U& B; T" f% e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) E  D2 A$ `) ~2 R
真的!!這不是反話
3 O6 ?. o' R7 ^2 W, h因為我是情感比理性強的人" b; z: B+ s. y9 B# k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 x3 [, a0 `- V, Q8 B- I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 I1 F9 K1 n  E/ A8 }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 w1 P. o: S* G0 y; z" Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" v6 ]7 k/ Z6 t4 `( f& h3 @7 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! c! {1 m4 f+ E: W4 b( D. y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & ?5 h, p4 [! ^# K: D: y

4 q" ]  H- u# aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 Q. Z" o3 |+ X9 j; m- |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& O4 C& k2 R" |% `2 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% s3 c6 s3 [( e3 x1 DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 ^2 p, p9 o: R5 H- ~9 j4 V2 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: @& d' n( j3 N8 _: ]2 v; b4 w. ~it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& J  E( M7 x) f2 P5 x% ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 A- T$ A# u' D* w8 M# V! T6 I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ [2 X( Y& u$ @2 G' i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 [7 o* @" L8 Z3 Z6 j2 m# a5 ?如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& l& g0 K! r% c0 r) N( c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 E3 C5 l9 F8 n# W/ v5 b* b5 `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, \7 i) k2 j; M; R$ F
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# B2 `  H  |! H+ w4 R$ s4 a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 Y9 ?' u( U3 {4 i" B& Z2 _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 P7 e" y  q/ |  b  y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) y: p3 H, d" l* X

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ o1 |" t( k; {5 ?2 n
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" ]; ^, _9 H: u5 p/ \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 [8 A! C( H. U, t# D' R我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 i2 H4 ^% h! k8 y2 P. R.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.