Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 _  ^) n. \% }我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 [" V  r- W* U6 @) O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ K/ q% m% _# }4 O道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 Z/ W; q0 I! m& \( u3 Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ t  K# x7 t3 \

4 Z8 u% f2 t4 C6 Z+ HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! y) }6 N2 l) X& N; M

- U' d7 h+ x% W: P( |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: K0 q  f, T, n7 J: w6 E

. ~7 \% }2 P) L4 `/ v8 qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 Z1 s# l# K% `$ Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( M9 N+ T3 Z+ {3 Z2 n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 W9 F* K1 \4 N0 A4 J/ X; ^
真的!!這不是反話
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5 o+ L. i2 T+ ]" x8 g所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 {# n# D1 R' ?+ t' [7 d+ ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ O/ b( ~$ k+ y. u! Z8 |( _# t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: f: D/ k6 v9 t4 @9 C" x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' o1 K& j, K, I4 T# A8 ~7 F* A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 m0 n1 O  I# v/ _" }What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 j* _, y" u( i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 x" F* ?# c3 v- O& }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: ?. T6 b( `2 Z0 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! @$ ?) N6 a, C5 `. @"不信也沒損失"
/ z) \3 B$ |+ S7 P$ S; D1 q8 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ ?0 I0 g7 Y) c4 g+ V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 y+ L# K, W( Z. |9 J8 S4 pit's starting because we have sins......
* R  V# H+ I" d2 m' Z  Zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! C2 w# V3 D0 F& w) n0 F% p7 c8 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# e9 O0 }6 b. q6 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 ?% C. s% w% h7 d2 I$ P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 d: H  [: n; _7 @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& f( v' j  ~- ^/ f1 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 m5 V/ K% D3 K% t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 ?9 r% ?) L& V  N3 v/ ~+ }5 A+ u

. d) n, ^5 u6 I" o  L# x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, p2 p) g0 ^1 i4 G9 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& U1 C) S( J: K! ^$ Y- E

) @3 b' ?5 c2 L3 }) b. D; ~- g, ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! G2 B9 K+ E5 F, F/ Q1 I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& F" z# n2 ^' Q) ^! B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* J" h/ O0 T) d. w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ F% d- ~8 f' C& {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* t' F& C4 f+ O- O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  {3 ]- }1 \/ @* J: o2 a4 u以下是其他人的見解,# r+ |- B) A7 P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, Z, o; s* y$ ?0 Y7 n4 p6 {3 F; F
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 T" a+ Z" a- g5 Y9 [) V

" `8 U. |6 L6 Q2 i% P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  L2 {/ ]) ?4 N9 ~

" S: ^2 G6 Q& ~9 |  m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. v8 Q1 y  y2 E/ t8 c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, X$ T/ n; J; @4 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.