Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' ]! F2 u% ?. x3 F3 _! v$ t4 n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 B- `5 H5 H+ c' M& k  T, NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' C- z, }- J. J

( m+ D( }2 @3 P' }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 R/ j2 Z4 |$ ^& }2 I
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" i  t) j  X, Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' ?6 x+ V- p/ v5 l+ r我只不過微小的基督徒...................- a" i5 N' W# m( x+ W$ o! B
真的!!這不是反話+ C" |& U/ V6 \+ @
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 s- X6 x) U" \, M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- }; E+ {  N4 e8 r6 _4 e' T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; l/ F' n( f4 W0 l, M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 X! `: T7 l1 |4 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ r2 {: ]. a$ x" o3 K0 _What a statement we have here?+ o  `( p3 j% |+ v

# U. n0 N3 c2 n5 Y* P: W) u# rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 `2 ]4 b$ f  i- L1 W# k' N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) P) P# W! L" s# ~7 O+ V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; y! X. M, M9 o5 l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' S" L8 A, X( u* n7 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ S; B3 s8 S* U9 z. Rit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ b  d' s. g; g% r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 u, f' a1 X' Y& f0 K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," y. m/ L  s+ w( V; ^: x" X& A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& j+ @4 j) N4 s: M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ @. g7 F5 R3 f: o; q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! `5 N9 R0 Z3 F% C3 h) Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ h' b" N: I  T9 E# n9 ]' U( ^; e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 u3 g4 _8 l" J( R2 p- q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ P" Z4 a8 r" e) q7 y1 w信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! {* J; {7 r  j( i3 K
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以下是其他人的見解,
1 i# ?& f5 T1 I' H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( o7 d0 A* a+ D7 K# _5 n% ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ o9 @* C" _. p9 n* u- v6 m  o- U& X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 j( [* |5 K, O  z0 N: `, x9 K- J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% e7 p: J& x7 l/ |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- ~" i3 r7 s5 u" b  u- X! c/ |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 I) J+ [- F+ T; ]9 \

. ^0 N. n& [& T; d, N5 O+ xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 m* Y1 S& f1 {& Q6 n# ?7 m" N1 F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.