Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ C$ Y( T% ?$ S+ ]0 S3 r# m我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 E/ H; A. _8 J' ~  ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 d/ L6 `$ o* D1 W道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ f/ ^% N/ ~0 m  s) T1 v呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ N: Q" L$ k, j! J, A! Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ h. c" u. p$ R, ^9 ]; s
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 i- C! o8 k  C. G7 t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話) D, E  E' u1 {" ^0 N/ p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; D: _+ l4 C2 b+ o) s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% J: Z; w7 q; [# f2 w: K9 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  Q4 L  R" M1 s: j4 v

7 k1 i. W  t3 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* P7 G3 _5 m+ I/ f+ k, A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 z8 R, j5 i6 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ F4 y! y4 K3 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ W" i, b  _( B, w3 B
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it's starting because we have sins......
" l7 r! f6 S5 I( K; esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# O8 A% }" x% U$ Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 G" ^' Q0 F7 w! c0 j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 p$ b* ~6 {# U  a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 G% R. l+ }8 B4 p4 w, W- p* n9 D) ~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, R% b5 a* m; G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ v! @- q3 ^; S% V5 J8 X
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ W& F! O' X$ F+ ?' |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 B( ]# n* h% C, @" {0 y: ~, a5 O3 A' {
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* i/ h2 I) J. t7 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 H7 T# O/ W; U# q+ ~8 h2 P7 @+ r以下是其他人的見解,
5 e/ u2 |4 a4 K5 V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% I) k8 ]9 g7 s1 I6 g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ d1 M7 Y3 v# |2 @
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 u6 x7 p7 \0 s6 y* ^7 X2 n2 ]6 ?) {
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 N/ y' x' r. D8 D0 l- E) B+ w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ k' O. l; a9 E8 w: e5 u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 t3 \1 r- O3 F4 x( D+ i, M3 M.............信耶穌... ...

3 u+ {! f8 d" FRegarding the resurrection....
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' p0 F5 x( [" F* Y. q; BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.