Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" P; S$ U9 K3 _# o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( {; V3 W/ s- g3 _) S) B道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ S6 j6 {# M6 x2 fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" W! G- ~+ p4 X* u/ Q( T2 d6 |7 u5 \
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ a6 u$ {" B9 u7 i) ~
真的!!這不是反話
8 v4 J+ L2 M0 [% d因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; R4 p5 u9 F2 g2 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 z  d/ E) H% z8 O! o! i% A1 XWhat a statement we have here?
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  n" C* g3 u+ QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 u( X; I9 u( L% g2 ~/ YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) T- R! `* d: i. {3 n$ Y

* M" c- a! w- q7 t9 G6 Q! N" {; m( CLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* J' }% \  O/ ^
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 R, U2 T' V" N8 U) _. {: A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) ~. @% p6 K9 M: S- j4 w4 y"不信也沒損失": E) @1 @  z' |* R- ~1 `7 B* Q" W6 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ H* r% D9 N0 j9 y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......' E. \& s$ c# Q6 w1 x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) A7 R: y  p9 f1 \' @. @; p& ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 ^4 L  Q$ Y8 x% h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  H( \7 R" B! ?  K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  I& w$ N+ W' p$ z% K5 a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: g: N  g" [2 U3 q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 u7 B* u. u/ |: X; E
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以下是其他人的見解,8 ^+ L! O/ k% Z$ s' @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: B3 A9 }5 X+ A" K& L3 g
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 `5 E/ v. p8 [' S% ~* |* U* C0 \$ ?; q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 E1 W# `# [( f% F.............信耶穌... ...

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9 D) Q! q6 |5 w9 n+ GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.