Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% X1 f. L5 n4 a7 z+ n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 I/ d& x$ I+ T$ c又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# q$ b4 o& Y+ l# V7 d$ S道理我知道好多只係做吳到" D0 A: Z" D$ |0 r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# q( W1 z6 t1 Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 B! w: C. A0 f$ C% a* j! h8 ~' xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ c0 |" ~& ]9 N& a0 y' F6 ?

5 z+ l! `3 ~8 ~0 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- [$ O" }/ A1 O3 H5 Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# v" D) o1 t  `. i% v5 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 v* \0 v! B; X, W) [0 t$ D
真的!!這不是反話
# Q- m, e- z" L  d( _因為我是情感比理性強的人
# H, P: y. i- p: Z7 ]所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% m" K  n$ w* _' G3 t% u$ H# c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. T) D% W) G, ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, R. q* J- D" L: `What a statement we have here?" j& w1 s. s# W) E2 P) R  s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + H/ T0 G7 B+ n( j" O6 _" C: h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 ?( [1 x) i: J4 h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
9 L6 w$ _7 o7 yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 I3 U; B3 {1 o) V1 K. S8 X+ {, J5 c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" P+ x3 ~1 F: f& Qit's starting because we have sins......6 s: _  g. M# v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ m; w# b' \1 z4 L4 k3 K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 _/ j. J9 X0 O6 j& N  h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ N% J9 o* r* q# R; k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 `) w* {% l) I$ l5 I# \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* ]: H8 J$ A2 `; q+ O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 K0 q$ M7 Y& V7 Z: G1 i: d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. o+ V, p9 k3 r3 `5 y  V. R* c
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  X2 h; i  E. r% L* C  s5 n

# l3 U. j3 d* H' [: v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ z& y! b  F% i4 T6 k( {$ j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: ~; ~1 @5 d8 M3 J  u# P( G
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" v6 _9 I) q- [. D9 `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ Z$ `& {& V. e  e9 Z2 @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, T5 z. j- s; L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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$ _% M' I* \  |2 B" y- }& D8 L[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 W2 F' C1 V% l9 Q9 x* ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' Y" m$ M& j3 O3 k4 m8 V' q# ?: v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# W; }9 t4 a8 j4 ]2 i8 k: t( ]

5 p* t! Z2 |0 C$ n0 A6 E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, {8 t& k; S' f" Z
.............信耶穌... ...

% @' }2 O  g) sRegarding the resurrection....# n7 {+ `! W2 ^# @
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ V0 ]* b5 q8 y8 j8 K

8 V; X; }* F8 d9 Q0 P& f  D. u8 [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.