Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 Q7 E- U( b# w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! [; X7 ~" `, m5 c; i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 y+ L/ k/ @# k/ c# P9 J8 `道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 m" f, B8 K/ ~4 r& Q, Q  a5 i3 D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) h7 x3 k8 s$ b* ^- qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ C( F+ u; l5 ?8 ~0 H; p) k

, y, ~, W6 J2 o6 rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 s& i6 J; }$ Z) x) ^4 ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. o2 B8 U0 Y% \9 v: Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; N3 |2 j  _9 }# b" [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 H8 l5 M4 K. d# ?8 B3 `0 l; U) }* @' i: D所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 d2 ]& P$ W  C$ s7 G! J+ y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ h4 z/ X1 d7 I* p+ Z' N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ w5 n# @0 S3 R- [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 h# j: }& Q) K* A, Y; _2 k6 F- E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; J$ d6 F) V6 O  o

% O$ k- _0 k* z! A; Q( FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! D6 I. ?% G! J" V, v+ {; _+ E

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& v% H1 u) o: G% [+ q$ ^
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 }& j$ P0 V. R! G  l) h5 t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% e# h) r* u1 u# _" L"不信也沒損失"& S; b8 E7 p! d& ]  V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% C! e& s. C/ M, v$ p& m3 \+ mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& n# B2 N. I9 c3 j
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 t# C  J7 h4 t6 ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " O2 c5 [7 t6 k2 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& L4 h$ S; I& D7 u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," Y1 w1 X7 Q' L& Q8 e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 N: k! U3 u+ A& z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& o% u9 a7 o/ E$ A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* |2 `1 `$ ]: e( p, F; k- c) k: w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. U$ r' z( V3 C

4 p$ l0 P) _" ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; N/ @8 [7 d( R. S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' |3 V" \2 c3 W, S  b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  c+ e2 l- I% J/ k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) @1 q1 o3 y: O9 t; r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 t* ^5 A; b$ P) ~, I; s( P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' W* P4 |) e7 E& ^+ I# b. ?2 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* U9 ^9 L# @! H3 b2 g. W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 ]* a$ v% `6 Y8 f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% B! T* r% t  G- D2 v' Y0 L# |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 \6 X& e8 A" K. C/ s6 l  q5 Z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 l( P$ U) Z, e) L) i5 {% r2 D
.............信耶穌... ...

+ g0 o' J# G8 }" M# VRegarding the resurrection..../ B5 R& ^& h. C- ~& u  M

: R  W$ b& i5 Y$ {% v3 TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# x0 X, J3 K7 H( q1 y

/ g! E5 K1 X) X. e* M0 H, z- H. z' YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.