Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ S* T8 c$ p9 k- L我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 H( _7 Q" e% Z# `/ ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ x8 O, d+ k3 X) f道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 ]9 d  y7 ?; B4 [% ~# c/ Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ u) h% s0 H5 K5 rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 d$ ?0 t: |! r4 p1 r/ O& C. zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 @' p" \$ s+ P# F- w

+ T/ Q0 @5 I4 p+ wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 j* ~6 l  K- f6 J0 z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 R* [  c) a0 @$ f. |$ _# m7 r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 s& L4 ]/ @% I% h! X& s
真的!!這不是反話- i1 G. g4 Y# O2 w7 V- V9 V
因為我是情感比理性強的人! v  P8 h: ~: T$ E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 p# {3 `5 e) p  k9 j1 i  e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( m" q9 p* m& D4 z- P% d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) a+ S  x3 g0 O, C8 r0 L- w5 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: l( B" v7 C' j6 N+ |/ fWhat a statement we have here?
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  h) h. |  w* ^; ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 M1 }8 b2 l2 X3 E' @5 z

" V: z* m& I7 h: zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( h& @0 v5 S; K# n5 [( {3 a  _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 n7 X9 N5 }  E+ ~  i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 T8 {0 e" c; s7 I/ y' m, `8 C4 @$ d, R* YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( ]; I+ U. N5 Q5 J5 S3 r6 o: gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
; T  E* k8 ]/ u; Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" f/ S! t( }0 j4 B5 Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 l( Y; C' p3 ]% @! k& o( L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' s+ Y$ P. F) p7 V1 P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 f" w- M+ b  a: e+ @% z0 y9 @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& A0 o/ D( c; \6 U" t4 O( w" {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 k5 X7 B& \" d' y5 j# r9 F5 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 S) {! D2 w1 _/ B* F) y! ]* D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 k  @9 _& l) X. M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) u  t% Q1 J( I: F
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. ^# w5 V% x! o7 _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& `! e: j0 w; I3 c$ F. R- j美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! H9 a$ m0 V0 |1 f6 b' g# I
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. H2 w3 f2 E# d5 A/ f/ {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% |  h/ [: ]- m& Z2 y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; Z7 D3 O: I0 U$ W( h8 Y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 B3 W& I2 M, i' A4 \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! \6 `" e0 Q4 I7 S1 O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" r% I" ?7 }) j4 D

5 t4 e) o2 d/ r& h1 @2 ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# [7 J' [( W- f$ Q2 \! |: t.............信耶穌... ...

2 [1 }$ }) V. u: X6 B6 MRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) y7 k, s* [6 l" F6 k/ K- K1 s- S

9 e& y4 S( [0 G9 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.