Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. ^# C* o) O; i" m4 v; A我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, h, l% F7 w$ o4 f& X# Z, _4 k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 O; b; K& e* {) P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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4 f( u8 u/ R8 G# NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ j6 L( q% R) @( M! O& RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 B0 Q2 _2 I  {2 a. K7 q

0 o( S. P) y! v+ r: E! I2 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, k/ |2 n: N, f- u, _) Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ E" \7 j3 \4 d" e2 W7 M( e2 [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% W  Y9 y- ^: F+ }6 o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' S3 v5 ]! f% h# L1 w5 T- j: t/ \
真的!!這不是反話! B9 [# m' O3 M3 h3 H3 X
因為我是情感比理性強的人! o1 F7 G1 H; s( x+ K5 `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ a2 P; L1 `9 i" c8 t( ?' x# J- a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. D+ G% ~. {7 _4 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; K7 k1 V3 v1 X8 m0 T& ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! \" z5 y" N& ~* R; ^# p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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# ~' D6 e' Q; o& \: F& S/ ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& _8 ^. Y! a& C& a- A! y  L2 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: [; X0 A/ u; g! M5 E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 \. v4 Z# r4 ^$ a3 Y; f. q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# I# Z7 z+ G8 W: J& cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 }3 _- G3 b9 Q  M8 V) \0 t" h+ Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  P- k* ~! ?3 J1 W/ wit's starting because we have sins......4 s8 N- d$ i2 x' [5 K7 u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  m7 o9 r; |2 `9 K, ~只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; z7 ]& w; P0 K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 ^& W& K+ d- J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* N2 E# k! y0 G! U( q' {8 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) ]& M% [3 [. {7 @6 G6 s& m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  J7 Y* o1 }# A5 R. @/ C- ?; d3 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 f& O$ W* t" ?! l! R1 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 X6 h) b+ f8 w4 Y4 j' I! @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ n  p# _! Q( G) i. @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ U( `. D$ M  [& X8 Z# p3 i: T' d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* V( G8 g. j; {5 h2 e- i

! }- }" s8 \+ ]- t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' a; x$ H  ?2 \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ s4 y; N; l* b4 ]# A+ y
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ L; v9 L6 F3 o. I- F+ v; X+ g; y

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' I4 M6 k( U/ o
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  ?1 K# L. `) z0 J! G1 E6 o' @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; F* B. d( W& a. ~

  p4 f7 s. ?# NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 G1 }3 g2 f7 S$ RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.