Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; G* n( g8 p5 P2 s( M3 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* c  j5 t8 Z; X! p4 D5 ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 J7 y9 c. I. p; p道理我知道好多只係做吳到: s0 T7 w. x$ y+ s7 `8 Y$ l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 L0 @' ^$ C2 m* i' v" j$ j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! H0 ]) `! G8 h3 X- X0 o

) y0 a6 F9 c# V0 L  `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' W- u! d+ a0 ^" `3 ?+ z8 K/ {% R( G' \cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 l, C7 x+ n  r  a1 C. h" j& `! E0 |我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 E. v7 i2 G6 o+ `6 f! A6 @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 f" o! w7 k7 k2 t; ~: f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( k( f: g) M. \, o& _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 |3 S, R- n  Z& j* I

( T3 e6 a% L0 JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 ^( f3 u, g" B0 `

- A( d; A6 d4 T3 k0 k8 M6 oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 u5 L1 o$ m* O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 c0 ?2 i" a) ^* i& t( C- }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......8 h$ }) U; F0 O3 i0 j- Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; U$ I) ~6 t# r+ Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 j# [- a; [  r+ D0 |% i0 x% q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ j6 ?8 `: w7 a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 y. f9 |$ H4 O  H0 y7 y6 C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! a. y/ ^' g' [7 K  p) e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 G+ d( {: ]2 M* f! U6 J) g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ d6 K  J% _* r4 \$ b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 t; Y/ _) V8 m  S

% x- v' F  W9 Z! N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ ?' K8 {7 t0 i# y1 F7 @- E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: R* r9 C3 A4 x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ R; f2 K: k9 K3 n宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- r# S& y  M. ]2 D! {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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0 i; I8 G2 F0 l$ Y; Y6 I- Q5 X6 uhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- Z/ ^3 ?, m" K/ t  j8 R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 b. ^- O. X7 R" t, G: Q( M9 |& }- w/ E
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ D: i0 B0 y7 o2 K
.............信耶穌... ...

$ f. N; o, }9 G6 a4 ^, PRegarding the resurrection....3 m. N' p' Q# a7 Y7 M

; y8 Z; y( \9 V+ U; ]8 j5 ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  m4 [6 j2 C, B, P# aYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.