Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% D. {. Q' a, D2 |* g4 z: |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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4 Y. i1 |" p& r! \& I0 g$ p4 L道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ s0 L6 Z  t" L1 Z1 J呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ D& Q* `1 X( K/ g# i! c- KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* z5 m& _$ i7 Q$ Z$ K) {

$ x: c' L1 k- I$ w3 g& a2 [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  J1 w* p2 t3 m. m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 j. s' G$ c2 \3 O" }4 w- _
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# F* o; Y9 r; wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, X# H" m: {- u) j( Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 K3 b4 G' D, Z; N% a6 o* e
真的!!這不是反話* H4 \& E6 C' \  c9 {$ q
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 a4 r: T& c/ b; s4 ]& ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ N! @% X/ ?- @3 h% p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 _) @; H! I4 A4 v' d0 k' L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 K3 Z, m+ L( b( Z$ {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- C0 S5 B( Q* l1 T  j1 WWhat a statement we have here?
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, y7 n3 B8 R+ \7 U; KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 _( I- C) F! p" o
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, W" }( Z7 p2 t$ r* p
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ L1 Q; R! |4 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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1 i$ ]9 n& k- Wit's starting because we have sins......
% d5 e! B: e4 }5 |$ G8 J. tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. w% d4 F+ U. D9 Y$ Pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ j! @/ q8 N6 z# |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 c. M+ e  x& B( a/ f# f$ u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 g$ y! g  i3 \7 q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) g- ~+ S+ ?1 l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 M9 k% D3 }6 ?* x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% ^6 @2 M6 R: M0 \- e

' f+ U4 A" p# e+ ~7 K, k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 V& E8 O# p0 G5 g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 i& P% F# m8 U0 K- w% ]& `  H$ u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( i1 o0 T' C5 `7 b2 o* U# U8 [1 R/ N6 ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% \! W. z0 J5 V) `; K9 Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
  Y' Q5 k- j( I! ]* F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" `8 t/ ?/ U1 s; H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ o! V9 c1 y# P4 p8 o( }8 V, |) E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 F8 y! a1 _7 I+ F; ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 j7 [9 Q3 M9 |6 D  A8 c- f
.............信耶穌... ...

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& q) h+ _0 L* L* e9 C* SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, J) d% S: M5 d; HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.