Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! c! y, A0 r0 x8 H) A我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 ~- t8 J5 r  U8 I$ }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 y3 A9 s. Q  U/ C6 d" j  X) O2 H/ q- ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 d7 G& u$ }3 [. G2 A$ E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: J9 ?0 g) s; }5 N/ {$ wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' R5 ~) d% H8 g' \) [
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, ?: P% m/ o5 J2 G& b- cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ a6 `/ J  X% k. \5 {! r

# l7 x( ]& W  y% Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 g, Q+ O$ A( h) D+ A* t- {. tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# A3 n! A% \9 X$ A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 [+ j1 q8 p# [" D
真的!!這不是反話: v% |, L4 E4 F, B
因為我是情感比理性強的人/ a! N/ R4 A  s/ A! n) g* a! t& p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 Z+ w! g# W8 o4 I. B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 X4 q% T5 K5 I. q7 e, U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( e6 W9 O: W- z6 T4 X; |6 I

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* W  J% x1 B# B3 ?. k' C8 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ t' A: l% Q- ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 Y+ R! C, K' T0 F8 m2 f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 M. I) M7 H, C' j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 S! R, b: ^$ T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ Q( W+ s5 @4 c6 E) d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# A! I& f+ t$ u" V6 `( i8 N% I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. }1 ]$ x. O& w' l. E+ k% A3 v7 d& z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 X. e! J9 R% L8 x0 u' u; J5 f

4 D& P/ I) x+ H  T" b$ |8 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& F( D5 _( a% ?1 U2 {) w* E9 g
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; {5 W' e- z+ ~; m

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( W9 d6 d! s" f7 R$ e1 B) }, E以下是其他人的見解,
: z2 P' r. G" t" @) {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; S5 d. s5 u% ^5 T; a- ~; |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ @; a* `3 T% ~/ D4 e7 d3 T% e' z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: B5 h/ f* c3 l9 ~- B0 D
.............信耶穌... ...

3 r5 d1 c/ u' ~! `Regarding the resurrection....
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4 x/ n0 T8 G! C6 O3 H) t$ w* e  YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, z2 h. o0 h6 t7 }) {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.