Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  N4 g% |& F- Y7 X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 C3 h8 D% b, e2 A: o! D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( v  F- b) P5 J0 a: ?% _- {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ m: w* q" }. k3 {6 g1 x( M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. M1 f% d/ e% \6 [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ a+ a) A  V5 Q' f' s( S" [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! o$ T9 @3 K3 d6 m

7 s) P" g$ a5 a* P7 P% \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 u; n/ z3 D% F. d' j% x9 }4 [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# e: z% J" V1 j, }. s+ _* Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 p% O) N& J5 e8 p/ M4 p8 K' R( l
真的!!這不是反話; D) f2 Y* y; R$ d+ I6 c
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ B2 _8 q! F! n; r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! ?* N: b. s! \, f4 B& q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! V" m' `4 @5 V$ [5 h+ E) t5 @+ U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  o- p+ U* r! p: r' I7 n9 h. M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, E6 d0 x4 I9 {0 N# U# CWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 G$ P, U- T' S2 f" CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 S9 u& o# L2 t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: Q3 j/ X3 v7 @; E5 S! S; j$ D% L* F2 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; i% F- @. Y9 t2 h0 z) r
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% ]/ k! J$ k& O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) O' C1 u! E" s

  B4 w) ]  e3 a* iit's starting because we have sins....../ @# P  K, O4 ]# Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ r' P* q5 p% xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% K* F! M, ~7 ^6 {- E* z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ w- W9 t5 |$ o/ ?6 }) f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 P, A  V$ W; X; d* z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; o& ]  N8 y/ d. v" n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ N6 p' ?! R* u' @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, w4 U/ g+ P4 F4 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' R6 R7 y+ k! L6 |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* a& y# s6 ]3 S) e& y, b改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; U, q9 ^( ]- @& H& K- V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." m# v# H/ ]2 V
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: S* k, D* @4 |

5 O) y# L4 A  v/ w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" f, x6 d0 v( U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: A' y: w) w- z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. S) {& M  M6 {+ h6 ^  z

0 A0 ?3 F% x0 `* A% ^( q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- w& a! l2 h( n1 J$ T' t1 R
.............信耶穌... ...

; J# f6 H+ S$ ~6 WRegarding the resurrection....4 M: q' h% A2 K; ?: q

# q4 d# J$ R0 y1 S6 s$ a+ n7 A$ f6 TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 L! K. [; J( |2 _  K( K

' i, d& N" f& ~' C  DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.