Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 O+ }1 P7 `6 D% O' _& D我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ ^* V! f9 f0 P  w& F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! S: W- q( A* ?, G" r- P' L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 v, g6 X! n! E  J; {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: K8 F5 T& \9 n3 Y% l5 y4 C) _% d7 u1 ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; c6 _( a3 M( \8 \  }/ g, f. g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& O! ^2 z( k  C# a" r

) S3 b3 Z8 a: G1 H1 _8 d9 t$ Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( ^2 A: R& F) y/ r" O2 V3 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 |9 p$ z4 [* S& ^& M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 M* G; H+ j/ K+ I  O
真的!!這不是反話
+ |' M5 z  q6 I; M因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" j4 g9 P- h# U8 O. x# g5 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ ^  q5 ]6 q: }( `" n4 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ {. T, ^# {; z7 S
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 X& s; _* N& X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 t: A, e- v) T& b. C, [* {6 p% B1 MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 c+ L* ?/ v+ R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" S" @: e) x- L  R" F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 _( ^! y+ Z9 @6 a$ G9 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ z" @! p, u8 Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% F6 J0 M$ M+ y0 p$ _6 s% n; U

4 ]) d0 }$ c* r/ B8 E7 Qit's starting because we have sins......
' z1 o! `$ O: `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- I. I5 P2 J# p8 z! b& Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; r3 t( @+ ?- S. d$ T# W; i) c' B只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( W$ O/ S3 k4 D% I/ V( A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# p5 @. P/ C" q- ?# ?5 @& k, K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 C& x( y2 i! Q9 A' k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 z. R# o* I) m1 I4 t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# E  v# J% d4 G# o) h/ J$ _7 M
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 Z0 n7 k- u+ N6 m$ b5 X$ B/ {" G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ Z3 S1 ?9 A% p/ r/ ^, P% i以下是其他人的見解,
8 k0 L- B6 `1 n3 Z  @4 B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 {5 q% W' ^: R: H( M' F$ b
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 M) c% T; c/ U2 J% _9 g9 m1 {: X& L

6 T, v% C6 T: T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 C) u2 W0 t3 P6 q- b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" ^. d- ?6 K: F% a+ t+ J) `+ k5 w) Y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% j! j& M7 V" G3 p1 J8 m; q9 V7 ^4 v8 u) x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 j( i" H: |$ t& V$ D# L/ E! x0 K9 Q7 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- H2 Q) E/ j$ T  Z+ t2 {# C6 c
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.