Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) ~2 {! p4 h  R: M: f' n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, q* q) E7 {, D' u# G5 Z* l* _  E  Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- ]+ [; m  T% R: N' P4 m2 x" L呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! J! T) H/ O1 U9 v0 O4 H# DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. }. {8 ]' `6 U5 X7 wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' O) K8 E: n6 ?/ s6 P* a- K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* u5 s; ~7 v' b8 w

: B0 \1 |! b! E8 I! P3 Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: Z  G" E: V6 J. t* i7 g( `% m. T9 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# @5 f# V9 e/ W4 ]4 [4 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- R7 d! X8 R+ u; P+ K" M
真的!!這不是反話/ K: U; V& V& R7 d" d; E
因為我是情感比理性強的人# K8 Q: v$ ?# T4 d7 I5 y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: Q" z3 y& G+ P" y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. ?9 ]. Y5 D+ Z: M2 Y( ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: Z& j$ h0 h/ M* X# U& ?- }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) l) O$ b* k' |( d7 \4 t5 c

' k6 v0 E( U" y, t+ w# jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 ~! ~9 \; P# S6 {% D- R% Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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& P6 L9 s  J/ r: ]; e! ^it's starting because we have sins......: Z  S" N/ p& x& m0 U% X3 x' L$ k  L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' T" l. `/ H% j* P9 [. A5 X6 q# O4 w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 j5 V& g: v# e' |% B* m% }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 d) ]: |% v+ w  Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" H2 `- R: m2 _+ Q( y; X2 {& n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 P0 G; w: V3 V5 g+ i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! v( c. {& |) l9 e* a8 {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- g5 ]+ K3 i5 y9 N6 w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ Q+ G6 P1 x2 b- ^# U+ t/ T, \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ ~6 X% l9 B- ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 w/ r( Y2 U" P0 i+ Q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ O* u+ ^; H1 o. w5 n6 w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 F. j! L& w* d7 P! N* F) F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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1 q0 p$ s4 b- z9 Y5 K8 y  {6 M% q$ }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( M4 S1 ^5 H2 \, B2 J  ^! B3 h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.