Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, F& Q2 Q$ t8 a- w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 F" u/ k1 c' j5 w. b又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* ]# s6 H. n" B( p3 r0 ^3 l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( {' h0 O4 e2 p9 _+ h. |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# @+ F( s! s' M& j. I7 D+ \& ^$ \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) q. T8 H* C+ U5 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: f% s8 H  ?/ f4 E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ R# v8 o+ h& q* ?" w6 u& h  q; j" A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& Q1 j4 E* }( ~7 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ r$ v3 D  T6 A3 e1 r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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" I& J, M3 D' `" L6 GWhat a statement we have here?7 D) Q( q9 |- P* ^

- C  I3 L/ L0 V( @% a* Z3 pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# T+ s2 p# C9 e

- v" M" [$ ?$ R. s2 YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 v) A. U& a: l1 d! _/ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) L  N: ^* q8 i" T2 d7 R"不信也沒損失") V) a8 |7 b: [9 K) U  X( I( T: W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 W! M  M% o: {8 M% C( t( M% j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 U( e( x, M8 A2 [3 h( D' F! q8 ^# n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, ?% z1 Z  N! i9 A) d  m9 ~6 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( l2 M1 `4 {2 \6 F: M8 f  V7 D8 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 n9 Q$ s) R0 r0 J- F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 h/ N( D, M# u& q, M- W5 P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- u: Q* C2 k* w& q" Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ n; j* _/ |, P4 o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 W9 l) u1 k+ E4 e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- g; h( L. g  c5 i

4 m) i3 f$ Y4 W! x: y0 z6 V以下是其他人的見解,
& h3 a* V: K( `, G4 t  X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. Q1 @. Z7 P2 f5 m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ C) N4 `& @" ~$ `3 x1 ^
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 K5 \; G+ ^( a% B# ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.