Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) @$ z* j9 |. ^6 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& n) F& L) I* H  x& T4 N& [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 M" [/ T* m9 x: x* @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 a5 }1 G4 ^* F9 e$ u) b6 ^5 M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% P& x  i: L1 g2 p  H0 Y+ N2 XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 W& b0 Y& `6 O& i* J
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; g" b) ~  [& O! u

7 g/ }7 \# `5 x7 t" S% W% umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) A$ n7 a6 g1 ~% H

. U8 ~4 {) ^0 W7 n. M" Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ o& q9 f) z, Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; L" b, C8 S7 N/ @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 X) f" p9 ^- W; G因為我是情感比理性強的人8 b: p: Y) o1 D. x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 r; N% C4 f  W7 c! c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 ?5 X' i6 g1 @) G; o* H" X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! d. e1 k8 H* P; _$ j0 N1 d3 x. K$ T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) O5 W5 X* S7 C9 \( t, ?9 `What a statement we have here?
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' |: e( u/ h9 m3 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 j# e: T0 ^* ^4 i
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; T4 C: D- \1 d: `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- R2 O1 J9 b# Q6 g& Q8 _8 `5 TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& d; t2 b8 Z4 u, Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# x, P0 G$ x, k. j, [
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# \7 @5 L" s1 c. R- t  ?- v8 \. ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! U' ]; P- X+ E& u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ D, X2 f; v7 K" o" T% g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ p. Z" m. ~# c" _( u4 V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ F: ?! \/ B; ~/ P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; p; _; o/ P5 R5 W* j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," F0 r. z. O# X) g, P% L9 F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  B+ H* G1 K+ q4 l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) G5 X/ q- N/ [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 J2 _& x6 f# X: {/ ^, A
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 i1 Z# T1 Q/ |0 V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' z' A' e" o. g' n

- i+ m6 |! E& C0 e0 ]& f9 R以下是其他人的見解,% c% y# x, K) T! w# _( Q8 S; B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 |7 O: d5 u9 L. M' M4 _8 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% \; Y1 F$ `# ~+ t" [  ~6 ~9 Z+ Q9 U
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) Q* P2 m4 ~$ V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( a( f" `5 t, U2 g.............信耶穌... ...

* `3 g1 I( V6 A' m0 r3 J& w) XRegarding the resurrection....# E( k- S  }8 E6 K# |) k! t0 V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# ~$ R. c+ A' a, x; i9 W- xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.