Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. C6 T, u( s$ m2 x6 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( D! E% s7 J( H& O+ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! f/ V" y1 M& s. k7 Q7 W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 {/ l5 I% C  {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( i8 F* B2 l: T4 VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 K# x, ~( O* l* i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ M* Q( A7 n8 m" c+ \9 @# ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. {; Q: L# P( B6 Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話% y6 u1 D" W# ^. b2 F
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ P  v2 G7 O; n( t% [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* o  v: r+ j0 ^5 h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," J$ {- R- h: t* \2 `1 [1 I0 V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
4 h4 f$ X$ B; B0 y正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, h7 _3 \5 J1 n( D7 |8 `" }5 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 W% y9 r3 C# C4 ]4 w: r! A9 JWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: ]2 \/ u* _: {! p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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! Q  m7 Y$ m, b2 k  z+ q( ^, \"不信也沒損失"
. X6 X& k* W8 n8 [% i1 HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( z; n4 Z$ i# z7 O$ e; i3 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 h4 I: s8 v. _

2 y% h  f* g: k) ]it's starting because we have sins......9 U2 j8 X( P& y! R: r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% M- q0 _7 v1 aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# x4 w7 y! ^; x+ x) {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* e, {( \5 ^, Z. F# i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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- u# U# A" |5 {1 \1 P" O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# t# ^+ ~" |! J$ Y3 C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," W# ]8 j$ A  B$ S+ ]6 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  l% ~8 A' x% n( T1 b) ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, o% S6 B! ?3 t; n% A% ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 E. _' ^4 i2 J, h4 ?  E* m4 C  ~
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ R! P4 E1 C6 q# T2 a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* o% ]" Q5 m# `4 H- M5 D以下是其他人的見解,2 J6 H% H5 U8 F0 r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 _+ a+ ?5 D% A* T
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' }" b6 \5 y) y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 f, E0 j' E( j1 @3 W  O: g1 g' y2 h
.............信耶穌... ...

0 T; h6 J* R! t  _' }Regarding the resurrection....! i9 w% q  x( Q+ l/ N! [, j; h3 ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 ?* i! ~5 Q% ?3 G) O

0 G: g/ m: I! G; I6 ^- BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.