Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 f% y2 X& v+ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. T! e5 s, u4 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% X9 n6 p3 ~: |* q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 q4 b: m6 q/ H) b6 e% \1 q3 _2 V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, m6 `  b9 Y' w0 r4 KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% t$ g5 P# v& H, I# X, t
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... E% f, D- k' n. z

3 u& Q$ Z2 Y. j9 zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 |0 A7 r9 d% c  R* C) J) r/ M

) d2 w" y  Z( W, V* A3 c! p: |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- W( r% p% d2 e! Q+ gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 Q, B8 @( d1 q9 L0 s我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 O; w  ?, t( Y
真的!!這不是反話$ d7 S2 s# S3 {% m* g( o1 c# b  Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
& Z  T8 h4 g( J/ _; ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- z0 h. V1 z: b7 y- v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 N$ p* J) n' D& j; R
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 V) R% S0 _  T. |( q$ ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: q: S4 o4 O+ F4 u% `
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' I3 W. d; s9 c  N7 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 q) _& _% B$ n5 T, P4 @* V% A) N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 Y6 \& k" P+ N$ b/ C$ o# P- T) G8 B

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- I/ I$ ~$ f+ ?5 O8 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- n$ w# [" {% w3 W1 R' r( X"不信也沒損失"
2 x4 S( Z  _  P! N4 T0 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 @2 y( T; f/ p! S$ _+ [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 v0 e# n: O& H! O0 G  X

8 h( h! W! A6 z8 q7 zit's starting because we have sins......! C. @/ }8 c7 g1 N5 ~  z  N4 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; F0 e$ a! ~; J  w( O1 K  bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 s7 `  ]% J" q6 L! D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 n; r4 k; ^0 W用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" k4 T6 V; m4 k+ w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& ^6 S! m1 J! u1 `- Q- k0 l9 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( Q( S/ c3 [! p- z' l( H3 n: R0 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 `, o2 E/ o4 Y* G. P7 p* C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 T0 k6 p. k" ~& l2 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 c+ v! V! h8 m: o: f( X2 x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 R# u. L1 o7 \8 r8 j+ g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ {6 e3 s* X6 s4 o2 }  H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; f2 d( r1 V+ K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" ^* ?9 U+ Q& R  k) `' ?; c( O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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; i: ]. S6 F* r+ R% }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' B, S8 Z) d# k6 e: F& q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 D+ p. k* }, z6 ]8 ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( Y. H) n& Q: j* c1 E. R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.