Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 O- X. m8 @4 k9 r8 C5 N3 q6 q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 b5 A  j: K/ A' d: c9 T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ |* |: V9 e; C7 X0 ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% Y4 \, t2 z2 q, @8 A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 k* q  Z- ?* N& ?% p/ c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- j, Y9 v+ L' Y9 I4 O. O6 [& X5 g6 [  Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( A4 Q& F) b+ o- r; kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% j* B8 f3 D. e  k4 \3 ~$ M
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." ~5 l2 U& g4 B$ _
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ b# T0 A: l" U' t! A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ W6 N4 p4 I* H6 W) A5 w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 p5 q* v  z! G, q: F6 }7 F+ B  U- d  pWhat a statement we have here?% D! A* b! |& L
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: @$ B4 b2 \# _$ w- i
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ `8 K5 g/ V0 W7 b/ j' l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. S4 O3 i9 E. o"不信也沒損失"% B6 o) a4 ~) _& `1 \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' X3 y. E% D9 A  e/ l3 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  u$ r9 k2 M7 n( o' [

6 F3 F+ E! k3 s2 k* H% ]it's starting because we have sins......  T& Z  Z4 O; c* ~5 I9 s4 V4 {/ ~9 H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 s5 i% C2 f& A3 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 t) y) C9 Q( {% b# D/ A" I, N: }: }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ Q/ x0 X( z4 l1 X' l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: N9 D, u# @8 u- `; H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( Z- i' D, J& ^  i5 M/ M  w$ f
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: i  _/ q* g) g# `' h8 L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" P7 Q0 E( h% h8 X7 P* ?

4 U: v4 x7 s- Z* j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" P3 i% z  _8 C# P' o- _  K

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ A; V5 B  e. m/ x

3 z/ {2 M- V, u; G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 g) _3 U; z- v" F7 |* g% J9 ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* S6 [3 i4 i4 }. ]' Z: P

: l: T9 l& N7 n7 Z! xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* t( d* [2 f8 @+ o7 p  v* TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.