Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- O# F; m. z1 O0 G+ A6 Q3 x我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 c% J5 P6 v3 q) p& }1 l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- i6 g; p/ A& D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 G1 \9 R1 p, H$ s- ]" V% `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 }* y6 Q2 @& Q: A% i/ X) h

+ V7 `; V  I7 lNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ `( @: J+ l* E& j

! I6 F* L5 G) R2 ?8 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ ~& x2 v2 Y: r1 ]

/ Y/ F* N% [6 v6 B% D7 y, pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! _3 Q5 A0 O* n% k* ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# A. ?4 _* m# h* v  [1 ~/ n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* W* q& w- s  [' S. e0 n
真的!!這不是反話
! |, ~4 F; K2 A6 j5 ^  q1 U因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ S+ F8 Q8 r# u+ P. I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 p: r1 c" {$ j2 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 c! ]1 _3 E$ k* k* {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: R( {. ]3 t0 ?0 j, N9 Z$ Z' w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 }1 P* J4 `, X' i4 T+ x* ?" VWhat a statement we have here?' B' l: p9 W% X- T

* ~9 M0 i: c/ O" @/ \7 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - l6 J: O- V- D

! }& l' f0 n- y# [$ [6 iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 q. Y, a$ k& Y, y) ~- J# @. y9 bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ ^6 N- ~4 k5 o) Y( W# W2 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' f" V% g, I8 H& X- Z8 o"不信也沒損失"
2 v+ G8 n. @3 R/ c# @! b0 D# H! Y2 I, X( QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# M* Y* J5 ~) ?* }% U3 H' M; B' obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' z) A8 N# \) x) i; ^$ f5 S4 G( A
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it's starting because we have sins......9 Z' g* Z- y1 v# @5 u- \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 f# F- W9 @4 H% u. J5 w7 o& {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& `0 b# Y7 c5 N* P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: v* m* f$ c; j3 E用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: e: j! i$ J4 y: X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, u6 R/ B- D5 `* U0 Y3 Y4 J9 p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% f' p* ]) B; I1 `9 |( H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( [: m; u+ C/ P4 _9 f7 c8 }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& {& @# ?) t5 M2 ?' K/ y5 d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# N# s( t) F( A$ l改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ c0 E. E/ N0 x) S+ q" D2 A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., p( ]$ l1 C1 W. D$ c- [# Q4 O2 t7 K( G0 m

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 p0 @) q8 `8 ^: `8 w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 Z! g8 ^* l: A: _7 W. \
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以下是其他人的見解,* F9 a( R  k- A8 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) u% Z6 S6 o- R: d
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 B3 J" V3 a* Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' R- F( k: \+ e- e3 q+ G) `

( I+ y8 n0 a8 q8 q0 P. F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) B# g+ I$ P& T$ ~# E  G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 s8 {8 U4 ?! B

( _3 D% f) x- H: o6 C同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( F$ T' Q& w! t- F, I# z% g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 T6 V6 V& R( K( g4 R

7 e1 G  |# f! X% X. nActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.