Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 ?: J6 d$ O# A: G! i% o9 }) p道理我知道好多只係做吳到: I$ f, ~* B* p. ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 i3 @" K8 R" D" p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! o" ~8 {8 ?7 F% z' h$ v3 Z0 I
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 f$ C- @9 d7 ]5 k2 S* \5 |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 X, N6 j( W1 P" U9 `. E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 k1 [, u; l1 N/ Y0 V: G0 O真的!!這不是反話
6 \0 z5 _' y0 Q% Y& }2 O因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 H8 H# c, |1 h" a' f5 O9 W7 K* `所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 D0 N/ [/ S* [, x0 g$ ?/ d. G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 c. w* J% P6 w: p$ @- o: n- J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 b+ W% q5 g4 FWhat a statement we have here?
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& W. z/ U5 Z( U) T" |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * R3 ^% N# q, `. ?$ M# g2 J# ~. ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- I( X( p9 a( W& i$ z, x3 }5 |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ \+ Q, _& D+ M2 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  v, t' ]3 x1 c3 l) P"不信也沒損失"
3 k8 F7 J/ J. Z% b; PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 v/ J  s2 n( R4 t" u# {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......2 ]% Z- v' l/ _& q7 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 F$ U* [% g$ H6 s% Pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* |: n7 L0 @  {( j+ s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 n0 t- m' Z0 F0 B. n5 U如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 s& W' ]+ H7 t+ G
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- B4 B( b, g0 e! z1 n3 B; `

* Y, S2 t$ }  O4 j9 C+ ]/ ]. g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, m+ L7 N6 b) k: b2 x- T- X4 p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ w1 T5 F5 E/ \3 F" d2 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* R* Y, r+ i& j) ^# o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 j) G% v8 _% v/ E. W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 }5 X6 C% i5 C. f8 ?  v
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: y) L# T8 P9 V/ C0 j5 D

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 v  ?; u4 {0 I7 y
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以下是其他人的見解,) r7 ]: @  m6 k0 M% {- t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) ^6 X0 j( g' ^9 K' }, _
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: G( i9 v( j, k. V/ g$ P! h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 [' U9 G+ ?( `- m, Z7 n0 ~' H# Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 G4 }% n, `) _! K.............信耶穌... ...

- V( f4 J: e" d/ NRegarding the resurrection....
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+ P+ R# E% t' `2 d$ W$ _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., j* J- p7 X7 b! n
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.