Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 X6 J: X; S7 n) v1 x- K* N; p6 o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. w; P/ G7 H! J# S) H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) L% `* W  x6 J9 P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ q* b5 ?9 G% i1 d8 ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; m, m6 n; E8 j3 }, f) |2 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人! W4 p! [. n3 ]1 L9 V7 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 p' J4 }. w! P8 i5 d) W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?' _4 j. N# b9 f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* U$ W0 r4 D$ p" C( V
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! F/ A" y8 _/ H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 O( c! u* ?) j: [5 r8 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( V9 j0 u8 M7 n5 I8 R6 h) P2 c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 x  q9 L( B# y7 v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& e  H: h* G1 Z4 F- F, n

3 Q- _* ?% F/ p( Z% u0 K) T* c+ W5 [/ [it's starting because we have sins......
# E/ h  }0 t: n. psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& H. S8 G+ D% i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 U( h6 g* G$ u6 M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 a6 C  D) B. E3 Z! c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# v' h, G  D3 `, E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' |% Y& @8 V6 V4 h6 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 q2 z# ?4 }$ A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 f' v* y: _6 ?& y9 P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 m" h3 L- M, k* x! K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 d# X  K0 ~: _8 }' X! S

9 a+ j# T$ M4 @4 `1 j- {: U, v以下是其他人的見解,
8 D( T2 ~% M6 u3 E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 `2 C* V5 _% o9 h5 }$ o  Q% Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ p) w9 g! o9 p. E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 n! C0 H2 t7 T1 i5 z& z: j
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% X) F" O5 N3 L1 u2 ^
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: S, [# f  X/ c; k9 b! [' h# U

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