Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, A4 W8 e8 {. w3 ?1 P$ o0 _我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 I/ |7 B' N3 p# c, l" C0 k
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 G! ]1 C: M6 R; j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: L6 ], s: U3 P" t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, T% J  u( D$ L2 H6 l! U6 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% z7 g2 H  `1 H$ i0 k/ zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 I! |& b/ `  ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) M2 i7 I; p6 k; y% G/ G) r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# p8 U0 n, @, Q  t) I# b+ j' ^
真的!!這不是反話
* y, u3 s/ {& R1 `* e因為我是情感比理性強的人3 z6 ?, P( J) }7 F8 c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 Q9 l( Y6 s0 v8 P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: Y5 i: S3 _6 N7 a! R0 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- k! m( h( y8 U9 \) V/ _! ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* B0 R/ d1 N. q5 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ b1 h5 t* p' M0 ?: D0 \What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 A; P: c9 q# @  W# n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& Z! H; \: f0 E0 |- R  i6 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 o5 _% w& W( y+ m% c$ q- y"不信也沒損失"$ b  n! I- a# x3 B' m' ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) c  l! [6 F4 Q9 T4 A( W2 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 ?+ P$ ]4 j9 y

. V8 X5 o  q2 e; @9 Rit's starting because we have sins......  W4 z& l! R$ v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) ~- t8 F, R, A$ _+ D. Qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 S: w/ ]7 e/ I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' |/ a4 Y9 u  Y- K- I" h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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# C* @. v+ \9 q$ ?; c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ v: l* J* d* {& v, m' _7 d4 ]
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5 \& L  `4 \- B" E2 `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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, h+ u2 ]; O5 {2 _- ]以下是其他人的見解,
6 r% m! R! z, P; B( V) D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 z. D- P4 W4 H: @/ O6 Y$ e" B! u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 l3 E: r( w& X0 q# E4 E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% X, [; m6 k" X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. y0 j7 R3 [; f! l

2 f* Z; R8 ~" B& H! E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 g- d3 u3 `, x2 l' k.............信耶穌... ...

6 W$ O, v# s) F) n3 c5 i; oRegarding the resurrection....  J* f: ~" ]0 f& G, O3 Z& h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... u, }( ?8 ^4 P. g7 l; C! Z( S0 U

+ a) c7 j3 `. j' q* MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.