Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  e8 c4 K$ [8 z0 ~3 j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. {$ z' a/ D& e8 U. }0 m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; O; w; y. s1 i& o: f; ~! Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' k2 Z1 T1 ^; `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 L1 [3 c: d  pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) L- f1 j8 Q5 ?+ Z! ^; S

$ \; R( ?- b2 u  \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* u" }4 r4 D% f. g: [5 f, }- l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' I0 y: e$ A% H: p2 {  [( q2 Y" _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 J3 g* [% g" s* J/ O1 x% q6 [真的!!這不是反話3 o' f4 P7 p6 K- H  C) l3 h6 O6 ~% n
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 @2 v- i6 K6 K2 _) F$ J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ g( y% |4 Q4 b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) F# d1 N; g$ i2 ^8 o/ t! ]' C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 ?" Y- @2 e8 p5 d( h: `# A. Y

5 [  \3 l# V# S! F3 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 T6 U& }  e/ p$ T3 h* v1 _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 O$ Q6 O' o% }& L
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) ~, ?% p$ i" [( ^; O5 m/ N# q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ Y/ F5 ]/ ]: k2 J8 D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 Y1 p8 G: |2 _8 Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 p& M9 P1 B! r9 Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; n% o- s. A/ z4 W. V# n" p  [2 T7 w! v. hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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( @& r$ d; _2 e$ ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' F3 Z) n' Q5 O" o) P$ s- `) o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( W& U" l& e% k# w0 m" V  H' h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  w: k* v% [/ S- b* M7 O7 b4 V% e$ ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 f& _- @- n1 h! C9 n+ e5 z

& @. G% @2 U9 u; U# d$ |- h$ d: e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; a( ~' l/ E7 w: r8 C9 v2 y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' w5 y5 l5 `; i" D& n; g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; K6 @* n% M; k2 n: a, w( ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' C% R" c& N: W: ]5 I1 j$ H

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- w& [. q! _& S7 f' q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% Y4 C/ X5 I& c! o& J# Z  q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: N  y# S# o# M: Q7 o, c6 K

$ ?2 K& j0 T& u4 p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& U+ u. c% N! K; W7 E, H
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& f+ f: z9 E9 N+ B5 t- ^) T1 C
.............信耶穌... ...

/ l. u2 A2 i0 X/ fRegarding the resurrection....$ y, Q( o4 j8 p5 z: q; @- W8 X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  }8 s' m/ h, l" |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.