Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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  a% \2 w( W1 U3 H9 F+ a; i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ b* q  Y1 K5 s$ \; v) A道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 i. F9 o$ h" I* O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ E' n+ f: A) ^- Z. ^) p

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* j5 i& m/ z: }3 j7 U* M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 |0 D3 o& s% v  |
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- o# L* X7 s, G- F我只不過微小的基督徒..................., w; e$ K' {+ X" n+ T
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 y, `2 N2 u+ K' u# U% ]% S3 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: r2 T1 a" z0 h  B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?; `& M, h8 ?* Q( _/ D/ i

+ J* d- I8 R* P& `. xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- u' o6 i* L$ X( }( K; O( T  PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 K( W' c- V8 `* |8 ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 |" b. X, l  y, |8 X"不信也沒損失"6 B$ c4 J) l+ p8 I1 s6 {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* v9 w* S2 k& S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- f$ f+ P2 Y- F
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it's starting because we have sins......; l0 v# H  `1 v  Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 V* n. J0 [! A- f0 d& T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: P$ r/ Y# ^( R5 C* m0 z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 _2 a! {( `  W% P) r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( r# H6 Y$ A0 K. e- ]9 D9 @* b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) m4 @2 I3 t2 `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ n7 u! J2 y+ c# D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 t. n/ m+ N3 S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 U0 `6 J! f* t6 N. {7 P5 k3 }* K- Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- n+ B7 W2 \/ @( _- ?4 B4 R! _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 ?/ g2 N- l- [4 A4 o  M: |# Q8 P, p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 v, \& I. e) ?

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# ]  {* }  O" ]9 Q( a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- H9 q2 q5 S: P" k7 Y. b* ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) A, U3 }: T2 X4 K9 F- }
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 ~- E: _! w9 f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- s" _1 ~& _) L+ k2 P6 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 p/ p: g3 [( G- v& z* \3 @.............信耶穌... ...

* Y8 i. u( C/ @5 ?6 {3 P1 M; nRegarding the resurrection....
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9 @% t3 ]: J$ @3 T5 N8 p: c( AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  k3 a7 S8 d+ a* N$ Y. Y" `( C

4 E: d; z6 s5 ?, E/ \3 v) lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.