Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* D- x: J) c3 J  E! Y. n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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1 C5 n: L8 s6 c* z- I2 f0 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 \6 u4 Z( ]9 d, O: Z7 p: E" w8 @呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 c7 E7 P, v9 {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: k7 t. O* H$ E

2 p$ M  R: [; V& ?0 x! R8 s# A: ^3 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 }1 S4 U5 s/ x, o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 V+ A6 R1 H+ u* V0 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" `& A8 \( _0 G1 g我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 j5 W# g( n7 r- |5 x6 r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& e9 x: K- K% V1 U9 M$ e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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3 I8 K- L: I0 k5 M. j( OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ P7 S& B6 l# u9 B
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 A, N2 V( c) V9 \0 O; h; O
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ c. q+ |7 `! s' N4 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- V2 j6 g8 L8 ]1 R: w) T! j7 B"不信也沒損失"
% k% V+ l$ }, X) P6 G- LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... }" s# f: |4 h7 G  H7 J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 |0 L# \6 }5 S1 A( M! q8 g
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it's starting because we have sins......
% y+ @* ~: h$ T& r: isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 @) V, M2 t2 y+ e3 Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  i; }4 z# T/ u  D6 |; f' A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 d. x8 ^3 `, p; A
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- X2 [1 o$ }3 l3 w. R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 j8 T4 K3 `+ L* N' w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" R; D5 v' R% ^- |( l; g+ B" Q8 i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: Z' E: |: F: }* S( E. W+ C/ E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 q- y* L) [' e% u% W8 w& u  P, i7 c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& ]1 K8 x2 H9 z5 ~6 m& N

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- N4 g* {6 b& B* Y5 I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 Z7 E' S) E' H0 e/ u: PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; _, j. B6 R. M: f/ V7 t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.