Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 @8 u4 y" @2 r1 `我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 d" A/ _8 t, t$ v6 [. F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 |. S% G- |( i! k) v% f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  N0 w6 [& U4 v8 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 l' }5 h5 w( q+ m2 }$ }, k# TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 k/ K; c9 ]% k# J/ ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; a& V; M, _9 \. V/ zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 {0 [( k# ?# \7 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, U% Q. L2 X+ ]- d* Q7 H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人- g! N9 n7 f2 A  ~) W' i
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ Z! h: \* u6 c" Q# M3 j$ P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 ?( G+ t8 S" M6 U9 z/ z* T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., r/ G1 C6 H2 h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& G# Z+ N& B0 t) S2 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 E) Z- M( T7 o+ G% _7 r

7 s0 f( i4 H! jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., |; t' |5 u* S+ }7 P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 h5 i: o! Q- a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 K" b' ~5 \0 ]) H) z) a6 c! Q"不信也沒損失"9 \. Q( I, M; ]! j5 K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 H8 W" B# l: C4 d) B* xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 g/ i: {( L3 l( h- `& v: K/ A0 qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; k4 S5 o9 T2 `' _( h; b2 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* C; o$ s9 ~+ d0 c1 D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- Y: s' [( m' J# q3 o& @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 u: Z7 A% y; k( p! h7 p+ n1 z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! G% P% ?: _( K/ b  V% n; d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- i- W/ x8 `/ e' B' m# c" u" h$ Q! [, D3 n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( \) s: W& I! b  ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 Z9 a4 R, z$ C9 E2 `* `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 b, g5 t; y% s6 |! c
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 l; \' L4 j6 F1 B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ o1 p8 z. h* R7 e7 O6 i$ a- Y8 K4 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 ^& Y8 L, o4 S

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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* d* i. O- |5 a* \7 M! a. O* P( H以下是其他人的見解,
# d9 y6 P6 D) t  q. @3 N  [7 h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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+ Y/ a& Y4 @8 [; |7 [* ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 g) Z, i3 S. c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ F3 Z) ~: h, Y: U& z+ ^- z2 ?' R6 ]
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" z* |6 j0 v$ }8 d: ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& n% S; E; n1 ~  ^& p8 i8 u.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." \, \1 I7 ]- R4 t+ \
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; }1 B" v+ I% Y: e

  U" y$ j$ F  X$ BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.