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Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 {6 F) T3 k( @( J( c3 _  ^% i1 w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* D% O$ ]7 {. k4 V: O' z3 A  I3 j3 m+ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* j( d0 ]' W/ z" g2 W  \道理我知道好多只係做吳到- g- b7 J; F* w* \
呢D就係做人的悲哀
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% [  u6 p" [5 C$ v# d, S! \5 @2 f! {

& R' j6 l& k* B7 a9 @* uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 N7 B( H9 \$ _% G

. a! p2 F5 |" }  kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.
yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." u7 W$ L& e3 e/ J3 m  D) ?2 l0 `+ V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM
We are blessed that we can watch sports, to do many things...
so be happy!
估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~
我哲學就唔掂啦!: |3 @% M% p2 c) H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 ]& _0 `2 g$ j( X
真的!!這不是反話
# B) z. M7 ~* S7 E' ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 _( [( m3 n7 c5 H( x& e/ E. p所以哲學是不成的
We are blessed that we can watch sports, to do many things...
so be happy!
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* g5 m3 n. q- `% X" w+ ?, X! E& \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* |" B( B, _  m  v2 `  b! V8 ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* L4 o+ r+ `; f. p2 K1 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...
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* ^! i2 P. R" d" Z1 J/ G3 |* D! ^4 |1 sWhat a statement we have here?
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5 N2 C0 _0 ~# a, J; aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 o/ T# ~0 }; ~: }9 F8 d0 fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 s7 k+ E2 D% u1 h

( o: N$ F5 i8 D2 _6 s7 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 N" P8 I) P( O2 P8 w& f7 t

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]
Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: B' {! G* T7 B2 C5 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...
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6 @0 T. y3 R+ R: ["不信也沒損失"
6 C. m2 p; Y+ R/ W' B7 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 b) u/ ?4 U* P5 G" q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 p3 J/ b& P9 e9 qit's starting because we have sins......
6 @+ N5 j) f+ H$ Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 u. A7 |8 ^4 d" j) P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD
We are blessed that we can watch sports, to do many things...
so be happy!
"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變,就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 Z5 A) E# d' P3 B( G/ v+ d5 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( w" T! b0 t& O) u# p4 B' c4 O* _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ P% J( w  a; W2 Z/ R1 d% H& _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& A8 M* y4 d/ \$ `$ f. m6 M7 L# z) |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 G7 I  P! T. G0 ]  o, ^

! }! R7 V$ c& N; h) Z8 |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- v) R/ ^& G9 T  t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& D/ R' P# n$ q8 v1 h. W/ {/ P; _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 ]% Q# Q& l- r) {* ?
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 `6 n7 @7 A& D4 S2 D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 J- W: s% g% @, w6 |0 t( R
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以下是其他人的見解,! G" G, ~( }. ^. }) H9 L% ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# g4 ?  T1 g* L, N- v$ F+ q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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  h3 X! C9 I: {' d  t% T  i[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]
.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 H! i. ~; i) v+ i1 N% J6 c( q

! T8 D" M1 ]- m; T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: @; v) c! ?8 n8 P4 C. U2 m

1 T6 m4 V  H9 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, Q6 e- h0 T% P) F

# p# V6 E7 W. ]" q& t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ z) N. s2 p0 M4 c; {  g+ Z- S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!
Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ b2 H/ V* }  I8 i.............信耶穌... ...
! f& R2 R& v1 \' T' g% h7 Q3 m9 vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ o6 a/ `/ j3 F# H# n6 f

! _# D# X# A% S, ]7 r" \# u$ iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.
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