Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 z5 h6 X5 ?. D+ b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 G+ P* _% _3 H/ r" G/ d7 y, i' ~5 q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  c, F6 O# `% |5 f6 RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 B# _  _: F$ b/ K

( ~* A, @) R+ hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( r% d6 \9 v& T- U5 d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: b4 b: e2 Z; R& a0 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  R4 u7 K& F( t  s! J4 N0 @( M- B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 ^1 R. B& g; Z! v+ [' o$ C7 W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; V( e0 j; T/ t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ C4 ]% P" R% L1 d6 i( y, n9 G: T% c1 _/ rWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 _& C, L9 R; @2 v" W: ]; }
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 N5 O' h  m% a) B, z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 f5 h- d9 H, N- e$ U"不信也沒損失"
: P1 G: Z- _9 H8 m7 n- ?) MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 C# C+ M/ q  H; P1 L7 n/ ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ F2 }- o9 ]& Z' X+ iit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% y: M* k; ?9 i% D/ z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ N$ x, w) f" Q9 s8 X用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 Z6 `' w6 x1 q, E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. U; T7 x* }7 o" S; s: y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! H2 K% M0 v" _0 C% p& Z8 q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, R5 g% g( B; r/ i+ X! |5 b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 }! x1 u& k0 Y% `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( k* Y; H0 u  Y1 @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ k8 o: l3 h1 Y4 s, ~4 n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 J$ L1 `, h0 Q, x# k/ \$ x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' z* j8 s: h# ~* {! B8 I信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! F9 _* p8 b) D" p+ Z

7 Q6 b& \3 [3 y- K0 T3 t以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 ~3 Q5 q9 S4 J" C/ w# N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 V! {9 w# U3 l: L. l: _& b

  S8 j2 a0 E- I$ h( V" T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. f5 B) k( |# i: R
.............信耶穌... ...

0 z9 H) ]# @2 H; Q& ORegarding the resurrection....8 P# h/ ?  a' R2 E4 G" E; g

7 o+ y1 y% {4 e7 gActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* F* \: D9 Q4 }) x' y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.