Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) |6 ^9 x) _' R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- q/ Y0 S1 M3 u$ x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. K( B0 X1 _$ C: _, `; b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 p0 t$ V7 z* j" C6 A8 Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( Q8 B+ R0 a" a- r
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: U9 [! x3 }2 B
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., `, f2 m- d4 x' B! ]1 `+ m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# k, p' _/ [; |  ]4 Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 v- O3 P3 _9 }5 L8 |! C因為我是情感比理性強的人) v. F! c0 f% a  j" D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. N" R9 k. B; O7 R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 d; y$ |  p$ A& \  V5 V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 \  R  p/ s$ z) `" V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; F' x& X+ H9 H( z  N# yWhat a statement we have here?7 Z) e% U1 d# H. |, ~% p0 D. V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * M/ Y. b; Y7 w# X. ~1 ^3 U' S
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# t" |$ R3 \; t, A5 \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 T  |$ l; c4 |4 D
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% K! `3 M; V$ W$ j& w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* N( K; k/ u' P* `Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* ?- q0 y  A6 zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 W: ]) m# \0 M0 E: `9 F* E/ |) ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 g/ g4 a6 A! J& B, `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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* u- Z* k5 n* l$ g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% Z1 Q- R2 M0 {$ E! y( t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 T9 x( S8 d) u1 ?6 I3 [; P' f5 z

# W  L  w3 L/ h9 O% M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; v9 x0 v7 o+ {9 I0 j! _好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! @4 ?' y8 a- ^* P1 T4 J
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 H7 M" w( D2 J/ ^& @& t4 E: |9 n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' T  N- M8 N* s3 P3 @) Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! o4 G! R  O# \

2 ?1 Y( C+ W1 [$ c* ^! w: G4 I) ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 e, I  s3 D( y  b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! t, o; A: Y" T. B: I, k) H以下是其他人的見解,
5 ^3 {( o- Z  j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
7 K. k4 j5 e+ _& q' z; ^http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 r0 {" U, N7 e, u' H8 J& }4 H0 ~

6 o4 \: {. i/ J% b( ~) V& s' Z; X( p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* O. M6 v3 k8 I& W, c) A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 n$ N. v% p8 ]# D6 n
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  Z3 x2 Y: c4 [; z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 v  Z0 y' }3 A) p' }6 b. R

9 z) Y. y# H) O/ y+ e: F: ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.