Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* C/ Q7 n& S" @0 D; v: R& G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 \' Q/ |$ N% c  N# O; G7 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) W& [. @- @1 L, {7 p& fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; O" H% {9 q) b$ ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, V1 v- I2 B& P5 m' N0 F$ k! W4 d; pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* E1 Y7 U; p8 ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  n3 O3 o9 E6 i3 \& ~% z# k我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 Z; o! C  l9 C7 j  {% U/ _3 X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 n  C1 o5 E8 T3 W9 h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: d/ G/ H0 `/ `0 Z  s! ^+ R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: T1 S. j9 T' _, y# k0 V7 ^What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   K. x6 t+ `: l. v4 e- g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* J% K+ i1 q* z6 x
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 ~% S+ m  Z2 P0 j5 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: F" O  A9 F' x7 B1 Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  s, J3 h7 X, f+ \4 a7 O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& s+ Q4 w. N0 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 z8 X8 g, J, H( Y$ ]* o! a8 a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  z6 z$ z" F) F1 F1 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- n( ?1 B+ I9 ]- a. a9 Q+ }9 O2 _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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7 l+ x5 G1 u! Y5 I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- M% }1 s3 W: ?: m/ |6 k! M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 j; n/ y% L$ `* z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 y7 _( k  X  \; Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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8 M( N- R- l: G8 m- `- d+ K以下是其他人的見解,
6 K; ~4 Y: f( e: U, E& F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: c% [0 D/ H+ }( F1 q% a7 `
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 a. K- A/ C& L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# T( x( T0 k; E) ~4 o4 `

1 w4 Y" Z; D7 P( m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) e# D' q2 I, n4 [0 {/ M- c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& Y6 g& P' O" v, o* O. xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: Z, y+ k( q( D) AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.