Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 x4 Q; h3 ~/ ^& v$ ]4 y7 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人. p5 ]5 I6 z$ n7 c) y3 d8 e3 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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1 a3 p% ^; s, }# `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 e. Y4 [" Z$ P( f1 V

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; e) d5 f/ z( A. I$ q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  }# h' k8 T4 z& }& Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 W$ H$ `, x# B8 V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
/ S& Z7 o3 i2 E3 H  Z真的!!這不是反話
! ]; j% ^3 B. k7 H) G) n因為我是情感比理性強的人3 S# u4 v7 N) n; c, O- o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 B4 O" i1 }' w7 `$ {  C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 @( _4 s7 d6 g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& C0 q. }" G" j6 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* b- u; b4 O/ ~4 g. x+ W7 UWhat a statement we have here?) K; y. \9 W2 L0 _9 P& c

: O1 e- f2 f$ x; K  A) V( GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : U" J3 M- B! o* Y& s
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, j! U! U. L0 d  t" o' K
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" q" u) J+ `8 Q  }9 M; c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 ^/ y6 p3 N+ a" Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& P( `( z/ P' A, }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 w) n2 P: c* ^8 _: o  cit's starting because we have sins......' Z  x  P& h: p% x& _- y. R5 I- L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' u8 l( L% c" f, M" ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* b) x3 e* {: {! ~( ?7 Z3 {+ K) P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 v" U6 C, h1 `3 Y9 i4 ~$ w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: E6 E( G2 s' d( M& E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  G% N" w" |5 Y" Y1 L% w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, _$ Z8 R1 f$ t3 r/ d3 G- v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, `; X# |  ~: Q' A+ d, T3 s7 p% T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 w, c0 L% Z: `7 q7 R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 d* B, r  f! V( t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  I% N  u  R" Q% D+ X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# r7 T& |0 B3 X- B3 |$ t
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 j7 w2 ]8 T5 D; y8 v& Z/ c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* r9 d8 ]/ h6 U! h1 D

1 [' {# [( A% A以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. x( m% G, V/ V8 P1 e: c

$ J6 ^- h* [0 G# V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 N+ r8 F9 V+ v( k2 Q  a* G0 e
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! {' g, x: Y+ O6 S- C: F6 Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 N8 y  F% h4 y( h2 f.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ W5 o" }% ?, b; M3 O9 O9 ?9 u: oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.