Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* d. d+ Q: _  o; v$ N! j( P, u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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9 x# k- i" t7 V1 S, T' z' h  T道理我知道好多只係做吳到; S1 l( O) V6 F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ a: |3 S1 @6 D4 K) s* @

- j! ^9 m9 H5 R$ @* f( gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; p0 p  _9 j, r: B# w* r5 E3 ?3 U5 L
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  U) e' [$ H' w- E

" P. H1 N8 a( q% P4 x- l8 n; Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 ?$ {& [& w7 {: V3 a. Q9 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* x6 _- d2 g9 Z  B. f% S7 ]% d" x( g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 m; T1 N4 V6 w* i
真的!!這不是反話
# g; w4 Q1 P  J2 V因為我是情感比理性強的人8 u9 {: t" l' W9 _# A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 m# X7 U3 T$ l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 ]8 a8 A7 l: ^, ?' s' T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 s5 W2 A' b3 s$ {4 P  j% O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: W/ h! M  M% y( C8 A7 F

9 x8 X/ ^; _" z9 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! V) P3 F. z- m, L. ^: \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- K' M3 r6 v& o3 q
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  L9 F: ~# H4 c( v8 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, u4 K2 [) ~. o2 a"不信也沒損失"  r* A' b% C$ r7 i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& I4 t0 U. {$ z. Z3 f" d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, ~0 o/ c3 ?0 l4 {$ m7 h, `5 P' _9 U; _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, D) I7 t6 Q0 ?, H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. ^. J7 ]6 Q) y( `7 X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& T; P) @5 ]) P, k9 s. [9 C6 s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 N" p$ ~! Z" Z# A1 m4 N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' q6 m2 u& m0 Z! |( T0 ^7 d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- k9 {8 F+ h& K5 Y9 C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( w0 R8 }5 p' A( W# {, W& ]: p& G" Q9 k" R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: u0 u) h& {* v7 x: a- W; F以下是其他人的見解,- r  y" V, D) k, r3 d% Q0 D* T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# F( X+ O: P: K
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 w( Q' I* I9 X) \0 Z

" i* I* A! U1 b$ G8 a9 H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 E; L+ T) y2 V) ]+ E/ I
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: g3 E5 p) z6 c7 z6 P$ E0 L9 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; k( m4 e* @0 J: q# n$ _% u1 c
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ d& U! {, y6 F+ Q6 w* n& G.............信耶穌... ...

5 x# ?) l( K, C% RRegarding the resurrection....
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) X7 Y9 q8 b) F  Q6 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.