Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% C0 _, y9 v. R* ]6 V$ k% l我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" S7 J4 G0 I1 M6 S9 D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 x) n: ]- |7 X' U2 u# s  ?* J8 }道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 X% V& |: ?9 c; ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 r* j- j* \: N" sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." \6 X: G  A$ h

$ s! b% o3 f! d4 ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- w8 g- A" |5 Z$ R& t% Y

; a' n. z- u% S! Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 y. ~; H/ r1 U4 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ b0 _1 K' E8 U9 n2 N1 Q  a2 L3 }我只不過微小的基督徒...................! U" {) ?  N6 @
真的!!這不是反話
$ f( f$ P! ?6 S9 T因為我是情感比理性強的人
% E* l. A- ^! x$ J3 I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 k7 i2 w" ?' P' B& E, s$ H, u& u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  v; c! ?+ R6 p/ f  L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." ^& N$ ~2 ^6 F5 B/ V, [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  s, q$ T4 h; j; J; I$ N' ^; ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 f/ C3 \& v- T8 |  ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 \# q3 T# z5 p9 l3 a  HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 h5 A4 c. M3 x) h4 P

4 L; G+ S6 N* G8 a$ W& qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 p. x9 y& S" u6 z: C3 y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 ~; [( E8 f, D  u7 e2 A8 U$ D"不信也沒損失"
. c3 h3 l, y2 L, FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. }& u9 W/ J1 L2 }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 ~6 B; e% X* H! l- R: uit's starting because we have sins......
# s1 |0 t; v# I: dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . ?2 Y8 c3 i2 u4 E6 q) z- h) q2 L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; A/ M& {; V" Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 q# ?$ Z( }. k7 m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# t* T5 s9 u$ Y" m  X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' A: ]" J' y/ m- _' j) b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- e: _. x; j* x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 K0 K9 N3 u. f& j8 i+ Z. f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) z# Q5 z: V# C. j% [$ H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," \4 `3 ?+ t# z$ K* ]# R/ V- H" V
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ c5 d( T  f* b; \( R
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& A7 _, ~& p$ A( ~5 B: Z( B5 ~' l+ [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, g7 a4 W$ x- j9 E' s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. `' k& \, D: m4 C

' K9 _- a' a) u" z) U以下是其他人的見解,
9 A4 Z) F" _' S( V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( w  f' Y) {; z9 k4 r5 |, h$ K2 f
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 O. P+ z6 h; n$ \' g4 J5 |

; b7 z) ~8 x2 j) z* L4 R) s8 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. h/ N' U: X; @! n# Z/ M
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  _0 e# |$ @- y1 ]( o

7 [) g! ]- b% r0 j) Z8 ~' H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* |! e" m. n- C! \, t4 ?3 \2 _

; t( I( r1 X2 m' f4 g* t( j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 |& X1 c4 t8 B.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 y+ X! u( w4 p4 u

$ ]# I* E% f; \& O. k3 g0 u- |5 k! {9 `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  g8 `8 h$ N6 G: n  V6 l+ U1 F. y& X

! z9 i0 Y! M% p7 m- H6 EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.