Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! k. R, M1 I& u1 N我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; }- f9 g% @6 p) k0 M, X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# [. y  C) u! c/ b, O
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: l3 ~% O& k4 r( C* b) u/ J" Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# x$ [( \; ?3 N8 O# t  Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: x0 ?% n: K4 Y& g6 q0 `4 O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人9 ~: M$ V- C% z& e  l8 L; I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 |# Z5 t$ F* V0 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 _6 h$ p1 B( \2 t9 M! F) ~2 A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! Y/ z3 W- F! y" B; I/ L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ u) r6 X) M) \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 {6 g" H% W, I% @: H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ R7 K; H" F  oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% q  `- g1 ^4 H  r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 c$ Q* B3 D9 [- GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 Y# j8 g# Q) Z1 R+ W5 kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, H, w+ |" w. z: J6 O) T/ n# bit's starting because we have sins......
3 g8 m$ C$ o7 U# c% X/ Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 |1 g% }! ?$ j: ^5 K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% N+ ^  v8 E3 U3 K8 M2 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. U: o* ~  p9 g1 V( t1 t1 t5 O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( J- v( V2 m: b& G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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3 Z* R5 b7 E# r: l) |. W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 k( l( Q( J) U, Y7 Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- U3 L7 D0 p3 a2 \' v
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 q, j2 K/ Y2 S: a: C. n) d6 e宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* N( X5 h& j6 C3 ]
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 U! p' F3 z$ l1 @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,2 R  Z3 }9 _  M9 m/ w+ ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 O' ~. m' w- ~" [% M  n( C
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 N4 b$ \# ]5 A7 `

# `4 Q4 h7 O/ Y. r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: O: R0 D( b; Q' K

  |5 {- `/ Q* e. L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ U7 L  }4 u( H: P0 k- A7 t

2 Z) @1 T! ^! R# q3 w; X9 B& j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 x- |# W, K  }3 j7 g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 a5 Z' F4 w# i- ~$ O; m3 @
.............信耶穌... ...

+ A  Y, T) a9 W5 U: CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.