Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) @+ q" q: B! h: M4 O- R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 f' m, [/ e% q, ~- w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, h3 P! C, W7 O, u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 T; v. L% l7 u) U, Q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 F" ~1 U+ W% i" O- v* Q& V- H2 w% M

" n; r; b) t& m$ fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; L, S* V4 F0 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; r  H5 k( t4 q: H3 o! D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人2 Q3 C1 q' F' X% d- w0 m4 ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 }6 G2 G& f! u2 Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; x; r- [$ {8 M, d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( Z+ {0 s8 r* L$ p* f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?8 t3 Z$ h7 h$ D# F6 ]. }

5 J# l# \1 A: X$ G/ o: }4 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; r" u* P; s$ g  o8 W, H* H3 o% y- j

: J) r* ~$ a# x+ bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 D( `7 o. i; r. W9 O
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, ^% [5 y! F: [1 f1 x: `; V# P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& j  Y1 ]* N9 ~* I. eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  L+ s  S" i4 H. Y' o* k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: j- ^4 b  A1 Y  P
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it's starting because we have sins......
( I* d1 h3 j6 Q7 c' m0 Rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( R5 A; [2 m0 j% N3 qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; A# A7 j) a+ \8 k4 ]8 r, ^8 Q" I. U: [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ Z+ v9 w* s- L2 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 l, |, l, j2 P# W; g5 c- {8 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, `: C7 l  }! W" e' E" u2 f7 \$ m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& {- d; A' `+ q& L+ ?+ N+ w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ [. _/ b7 J0 ~" P+ w- {2 v4 M
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 B( w) T& r% G6 s! H& K- s: I( E) j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ ]: N6 o6 S# b5 w/ D/ C; t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: p  R6 Q1 w& z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 i# L" ^" y- f) H- Q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 i, ^$ E1 Z. e6 x! n1 t& p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% d7 a. ?. ^, Q7 O/ L. A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 W: f* }/ i8 P+ ^" M3 f$ i.............信耶穌... ...

, i9 N- Z- w+ M. ~$ x( }' ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 i) b% J  x, f: L* W6 \4 q  fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.