Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 G8 _# h9 v; r# `6 h0 J0 e  X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 |5 a: t' `& C! S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) ?, h' _2 r" z3 V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 E3 f6 [4 ^# {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 n# u* @0 T+ p  KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 ]6 d5 A+ w/ M* R7 j; a: t- G9 fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% J! |  i# x1 N5 x2 r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 g0 I' c' w6 ?- ]% E
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ o! u, m  b0 E
真的!!這不是反話, F# |# Z+ b' h
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' s* x3 x( h- D7 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% j: n8 T9 }  c! T' \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 u! s/ E* {: @5 p# g9 {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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7 i0 Z* s9 T. g, rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" [6 n# K- N3 V, d8 d2 N- Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& z8 I8 F9 }& j' `1 z  j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, U9 e' N/ W# D6 P4 q9 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ q+ a; S9 Y" C/ B+ M: ^% I& t

$ A& a# L, T- h' Uit's starting because we have sins......
1 h( e, r- L% {satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% Y: ]! [7 x1 U9 K+ d0 y# @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! v* b$ L+ k  f' C5 D" }, R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ W7 F( ?/ ~2 Q5 k& W6 u9 t- o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 j0 |4 ]5 o; x/ v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, A+ |5 Y1 B, w6 P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- y6 o, T3 h* K7 w- k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 k2 E7 }% @/ J) ?1 g" k2 S

, G" W9 {! N) L( @5 H' p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' F" \6 u1 Z5 m& m  S3 z5 Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' F; N: R4 O: K) ^& p+ q4 f5 D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' X6 }* p* n4 t$ N: D! ]- O6 N

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 n) t2 `) b2 ]" b信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 B! V6 V: z) S3 A. o3 g" t" P

) r$ y: h$ {0 p8 B# t以下是其他人的見解,0 @8 i8 t& n# @9 w! F$ m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 O* i( h* `$ ~9 l! h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 k# z' A# F6 o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% ~2 z- t3 v/ T) i2 m( {8 m: k/ z4 }

/ X8 p5 S7 i2 i1 n& c" B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ N( U: {& L, Y, f! o( y% i" _$ M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 w8 ]3 |' g$ O! f. C7 \0 d3 n8 F/ W
.............信耶穌... ...

5 ~& s  _- A6 V/ i! oRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 h) d% N. ]* ~4 x* W4 |

7 W) s3 Q  r6 w, eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.