Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# d, _$ H" o% P$ V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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  |( X. O% H! V2 j2 y5 _) f& ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到. |- e0 ?4 D1 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, X2 K. j% }/ c$ x, iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ W" v! H! k1 ~0 `2 c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) t7 a4 v  H/ v; a& D  L9 y" qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 ~! G- R0 C& o6 e9 m' z, U* ^& \
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 x6 ]' Q4 h  _5 ~: ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% z3 |* ?+ W. _4 D" v
真的!!這不是反話! r5 R. `2 M3 t6 m
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 I1 P" D( R  R* t$ w, F" R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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7 z6 B! x# g9 X2 A- l. K) aWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  W% i4 _2 M* s2 O, b" ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 |# ^* m& _& U8 ?4 [
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 ?* `: v' E; @1 r1 j0 b1 D! c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ I" Q+ \) I  d' G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": b# u/ I8 x2 c/ b/ W' B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 n+ [% L* w8 P# n; a  `  I8 G( j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) S) b1 l" w9 h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ G/ v5 H5 e* W' Q% [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& m4 y" z3 c: X+ l% U; k$ ~3 v: E- n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ Y' }% t$ c' f8 x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, k, C+ j( r# B/ ~6 Y( i) g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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/ C$ D* V$ @4 w7 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 H5 p' p6 O# [. Y* S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) [4 K, J" c6 {/ u! Y

1 {: `( h7 _! z) }: R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: \! `2 N% O. c& @3 m- M

1 o1 m3 {- u7 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 q+ f" ^( R5 V+ v3 L  T. `/ K.............信耶穌... ...

3 W8 q9 K) L1 S) u. DRegarding the resurrection....: B9 m" X5 b7 e3 y4 v

" i8 |! v" q" `" u7 }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., B* f: `! J. J; S, K. S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.