Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 b& \$ M& K7 ?) H, v! e( T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' Y+ j( h' N7 k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  H. E% K* A4 `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ O3 o* C& k; e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: V( |" J% r! T8 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* Z0 F+ m# e; h" F* e" G0 s

1 E& e1 y/ [# O# O( UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... Y4 ~- f' O/ F( E5 ^5 P& K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' q+ O( e# ^) ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: s: S# Z7 h& p* g' k( c: Z5 r
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 }- z: a2 F  @2 b我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 T) L$ n4 ]% i1 v4 z真的!!這不是反話7 ~# d1 {& C* i4 s  ^+ {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ I- h% h: H6 i8 h3 U5 S: l所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& A. x  k. V% l' b9 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* H6 R2 F/ j. h7 |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 s% K6 U0 a% L; d4 z5 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 b5 Q' H0 x$ f2 N+ J9 |What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 \- p$ z7 V. D4 I# v( o: N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: ^9 w* U: D" ]1 `2 h

$ Z" F6 q" x6 Z* HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, q6 P: v7 @! T; }. Z4 v0 t"不信也沒損失"
8 S& @& F( c3 m5 SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; S  m4 p% t, U" h+ u& M8 ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......, H" c) C) W9 D* J$ j, W4 N2 ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 D2 U8 V9 b& Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ Y5 x: L/ Z% f" ]4 l. i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- Q7 K/ o# p) w9 _; x1 _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 o" `1 {  g7 R  \  B' J% S) R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. I6 o/ ]! M% Z/ M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  J& d9 E) O9 T, Z2 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ O' O# x7 O4 T

. B- w7 ?3 Q3 M$ z2 v  P3 ?! j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& [  x! a6 |+ h, c( M# v/ I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% [& l/ g. Q0 f5 m& t' W7 W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# p$ X: |8 J/ N9 P- P$ k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 B' U9 C8 p" Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., n5 E7 f8 J* D1 p: x: U
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 _4 \1 f/ _& V" l- V! P7 V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 K1 g' a! [: N, Y/ F; Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 b; L5 E, e+ \) i以下是其他人的見解,! M4 w. U( W( l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* e- B/ s6 y" p) J9 x
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 p+ C8 w5 S( g8 ~7 [

) a6 U$ {' K, C6 ?9 e7 r  s9 ~( \4 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( R  ^, c" t5 o+ q8 g4 {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% q# U; z6 J; a' Y

3 h% b% _  _# X2 E; S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 y0 m0 d) _  p6 V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 @* D# }7 i* C% r. B
.............信耶穌... ...

4 O) Y% S+ L) i/ W; CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# h' A; Q0 ^5 g; O3 m+ n" nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.