Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 \% h( h3 |+ l3 ]! l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: E/ M: M5 d. \* l# a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  x7 g3 U- h; G6 u& m4 U: e# [. Q0 |道理我知道好多只係做吳到( j' O# K! d7 Y+ J7 |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 A% \  q7 H4 P6 ?" O+ jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- `! ], W/ u- Z3 D2 _

) P0 t' F% b$ W9 ~, E2 C+ @. Z: \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 U; [2 E6 _+ P( U& Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 |! Q. K5 g& Z* r% P1 Z* [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, K- N% @; I3 y/ t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 A# V6 ?/ {7 i3 n5 Z+ m! a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* Y( z  Q3 A  J. B) u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. g) @; b5 Q' Q  u+ C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- z! r6 \6 u5 Z

9 i. q% A! B) z! i. o7 CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, Z( j3 O- n) C  ~/ T$ a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 x% D6 e) Z  ]: V"不信也沒損失") c1 V- t8 T! o+ j' }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ c" t  T+ O, Y# u0 c4 Y8 m/ I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ a3 m3 E- H7 g* G

/ o: q! M; W1 d0 O9 Qit's starting because we have sins......0 E2 L! s! j6 d+ }) K0 \( N2 V0 ]  m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' x: H, O1 ^7 W( \* eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 ^: h, Z' J$ l. }4 R" |3 u" {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," V% k  B3 E9 O; l, E: }3 J. a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( F3 i) k* _# @# s+ g- v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: V. W* ?! W7 L+ ~7 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; U3 h7 X* H( P! w- o: H$ x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: j  \4 i2 a$ h" v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; B+ e' Q* Y" z, n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 K# W: o: R: p* t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) f+ g' b0 s2 z, L: j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* k9 A# @8 ~9 ?5 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  |% w) m) b& C  Y/ h0 S. `; ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 }. O1 w- c( f4 i7 R.............信耶穌... ...

0 B+ a: o/ e0 I" ~  _9 ^Regarding the resurrection....
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( K( {7 T4 S; n- jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" w1 v  R( ?0 ~2 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.