Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& a; u7 W+ g# {* H' v( D我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! Z- v, ?, ^8 g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. W" Z9 [  A% @4 _# C$ {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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! f+ V' D3 v3 `! u' p! @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- Z6 ?7 Y8 m& y; d- \# w/ DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 D% z0 t+ a$ [, q" P$ L+ ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 J- b4 H+ s$ @$ [" k. N4 U& i

5 R$ c& h# P+ C" V; Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 S9 ]) ?) [; @) {1 [# U我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 W: [- b9 `0 g1 W7 F真的!!這不是反話# ?& A; P! u# B* E! e
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- F, y3 }# q$ Y; \4 _" w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 W0 l  p9 |# o# L2 Q- h  X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& _5 U: Y8 j/ Q- f% }3 e7 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% C% D( S: j: [2 hWhat a statement we have here?1 K  q; B  M0 E3 g; [$ [0 M/ F

6 k! j: y# U; S. g( t- x( MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# ?0 u' X0 n9 n+ I1 D* {. `
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 b7 @/ a; x$ Q9 D. u: @! d4 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* t2 E/ Y  H- @- K$ m% L0 X. \2 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 k; `5 B% X* q' |. G) X. {# Hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 l. |# C8 W  T  p
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it's starting because we have sins......3 ~5 q- u0 J1 K: K) p- P6 U, F. x( r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : }, J' H0 R) S5 B/ G0 J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 F# N, q3 I$ _- ~+ s, }- I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 p' w+ C5 g3 r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" H* s/ j  [9 y3 v0 g( e1 N+ S. a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" f  s. Y1 J9 U7 N7 i

' q3 o" ^. d- b* g0 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 O- U! t6 q' C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 M) U$ z5 i% A7 }
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. B$ s8 h' z* h* ^# W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, }/ |9 O1 b5 Z; A3 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 E5 N0 H3 {% V0 {/ M8 u宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- y4 T. z; J6 s5 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ @, T: Y; x7 i0 f" h/ g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ L3 b* |# I/ Y4 X1 m) ~1 }. Y6 M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 e9 I  `; Z% }7 w; L. C/ H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 V( E! @, F  Z# L) Z

1 d5 {6 V( ^" ^0 U# d* i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# y# r9 x* u( P) ^5 D5 ~% ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 a0 {+ K! h, TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.