Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 N% @1 ^8 r' @' v$ d* T$ d6 A- ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 ~4 x! d/ _" k$ b. Q2 {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) w% p9 K8 `2 y: _道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, X  r, ^% z0 ?9 `; v3 N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 d' A5 y$ a/ l7 N0 P* ^4 S/ U+ ]% g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 T, v+ x, p+ W, O8 ~4 d6 E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ s; P! x- ^% E" s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* c/ W" |# b5 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 o, _/ |( Z, ?% n因為我是情感比理性強的人" E- ?) O4 J1 @7 {6 x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& K6 x6 W& P! ]+ U" u& [/ I* N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, u0 Z2 p% G1 ~; f% H" n- u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... b! g* _) @7 ^0 Y6 D/ r$ E+ H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 F* i8 `; P; @9 b* B" e

& N3 g: t  I6 q/ ]  Z/ P& lI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& Y/ X( l" y. L5 B5 s" [) ~! x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. W( _% E+ G/ u; RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# w/ I) c4 o3 @1 Z: F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 L) p( |, K, t

: H" G7 {5 g0 U* e6 ^4 ?( Iit's starting because we have sins......
9 C: w4 S. E( _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 d# i! X$ D2 O& g# rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 {! }, E+ a. r+ S$ q% b  y0 ]8 ]2 k1 l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- D. S; ~$ C. v4 n5 h5 A5 D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( E2 P6 O3 C" S1 U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" `2 d6 e8 k* K* ~1 o4 d0 K" n6 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! K/ o: Z# b9 ^: i1 a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 f+ I$ I+ M% z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* M7 z6 M0 N5 ]4 v! A  [: z$ s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# D8 Z- w  G1 d- ^" Q& g2 g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 i# v  b6 Y1 n$ g/ o$ M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." G1 D  n$ k; T8 f

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" f0 z. X- r& U3 B" }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! {5 f$ {% d! w) L: q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- P8 m) H( E; H5 e% E以下是其他人的見解,
6 m5 f  U4 S# c* q# a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 S. M: A! }# [2 M9 u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' E- c" X8 G) v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. s3 d: y( J2 t- v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ m6 s: _' t) [( X! k6 C
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( G) C% X  Y: H. Y- {0 D$ a4 x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 _# z( l: }4 h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 g/ `7 F3 P+ |

3 _0 I$ U* S/ p' v( jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 \& B' `7 e+ \* ], pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.