Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 p7 m1 H" d0 F. ?7 ~; m我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 Q' P& d! H# Z* J5 B8 T& w
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; O6 \& ~) S, d# ~$ `道理我知道好多只係做吳到; Z7 m& N7 t( v& G) G8 W; `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. i2 R5 M# l8 J' B% j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ v5 _3 d( P! R; ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 _2 U! Z* k* _, J1 v  ?2 m

& g: B' v. |+ W; y5 Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% {& \0 q7 D- |: ]$ B' a2 ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' }2 J( N$ l8 E! A
真的!!這不是反話. ?1 ?6 e' |( U, a2 N# e
因為我是情感比理性強的人
# w1 X! B3 n+ M1 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ o% e  k* L; x( `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, ~2 S  f0 ^8 |! [; z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( Z& L/ G$ r$ s, j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ D$ w8 e, X# Q5 q5 k1 k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' \. b3 f- h4 T% X

& H8 m7 ^3 a. M) J3 kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 f2 R. H" u/ N  t- p5 \) ]' N$ v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" M$ c, U/ M# E# @  }4 |1 o) j"不信也沒損失"
! ^+ h, o) P, y& O( DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 h- Y/ l4 J# m8 ?6 T7 }: |% Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 H$ T/ J' {+ K: U
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it's starting because we have sins......
% n# v. b+ g9 g5 g1 X* osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - r9 d. \# [+ _) R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 O/ B4 e( U% L$ k- x- A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 g1 n/ Z% d; w( d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& r+ F* Y: O, k8 E  j. \& S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% n9 M8 H! T+ R5 Q" Q& c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! _: r* a% F- o) _' ?( D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, z6 F8 F2 w( F+ o) X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% V! }! @7 d6 c2 O5 m6 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, b2 [+ F+ p6 I+ c0 u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) n9 b' d" V4 [! K5 C6 A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: g4 g  M3 }( G$ B- o. l1 r美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: n' ?8 k: A9 {0 q5 m宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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& _( Y* p. {. i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  Y9 Z4 M; x& x/ {. u# ~9 L6 w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! K; \% D$ I; t9 P: _2 i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ s7 [* z+ o" O% W
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 ?  p% U: x/ b$ N. a5 n
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 Y* a" I3 }5 P- `

% J8 `" x" y/ T, G+ t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; k# W& U" Z: @1 R, f0 L7 ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  ~- {* ~' F$ A! V1 m$ U9 b9 Q  a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# A5 D$ `& b2 w, Z7 e) P$ ~.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 U6 h. C) m' n+ Y! Y  z/ L% F+ ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 ]" F# S7 m- A2 n8 b; mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.