Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 L' f0 U( K" @. Y  J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到- _/ m, q' @' q* |8 E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 B( b+ \) O1 {* l2 @) ?7 vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 ?. r8 K+ _! w& L: D8 x
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; V: r" F9 m. i$ z% ^* W7 ^, C* s

( y" @! R2 {- n  _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; W3 a* e6 ?! U2 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( t+ J, q3 v7 x8 Y& ^' E  Y3 [; p" z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 J9 \: l; q/ W: f, l8 g
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: l1 z1 M6 R! m& }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& E; g# Y6 a- Q3 E* @6 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 `# A# C8 H3 a* }& C5 q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- A4 ~8 r3 p+ X) x0 Q" b0 U) K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 c3 M2 o; F1 M( Q0 V4 b$ H( qI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! L8 d: O- }* ^, b& l8 vLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( X$ u% b4 R5 r3 D; }
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  G$ L3 D# B. f7 [7 Q' Q( X/ C1 N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* `# b' U7 U, b! u"不信也沒損失"
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7 D" K9 r: F/ Wit's starting because we have sins......5 k- q1 t6 n% X/ `1 h2 Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ P/ z- I8 m7 w3 p, w5 \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, \5 {( b& J5 P8 _8 _. c. Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' J6 t; c9 h3 {4 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, v$ @0 ]! }0 A& A9 {7 _0 _( ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 {6 X& m/ g. ]4 S. A; s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, ~4 J, `% j- S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 b1 w( O9 Z. j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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: k$ x+ C6 B% [7 b* I$ J一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- j/ m* z5 ~. U' ~, T# E3 @$ V' i改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# Y/ f: P7 h8 w4 o" V4 j3 f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 I- Y0 G# f) S- _% K9 I以下是其他人的見解,) ^/ W, U7 A+ Q" m5 s: t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ H' q. h& O% `. C! W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 C! X4 `$ e2 x3 ^% |( c: R
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( ~5 d1 s7 V/ m7 F) @$ F& t# ~0 lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.