Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' N% K' \: r4 m- M4 n) ]( R; A* `0 g/ k我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 \: l( _7 @; V) m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- A* Z; s5 F) x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ F' ~$ t$ C: r2 ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 G7 g7 t: y- X& tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 T2 _3 ~: o# k/ v9 l& ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- Z% A: W2 p9 w8 n0 S2 O3 s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, \  f! @+ B: p  u# V+ p: h, g: T* K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 d8 o1 }. C. j% E- z因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, e8 I! w! H& P/ @. K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 B. c0 T# e( `8 p& r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., ]' U0 t2 U/ ^. }; v! w' w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# G6 Z6 L0 k7 t4 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, B* V# O' r( r- W( e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  R% o& ?& u3 }& S3 n; M* Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 J: V5 @3 u; a7 m  x2 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- l3 v; f0 }) ?: n3 s3 m# a/ A
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 t- D8 O& K5 r2 C! x1 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 B0 z, x) e4 t$ K5 l+ ~% ^it's starting because we have sins......
2 l: _; N: K# B: M+ wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : ]! q! ?% i4 k8 O+ Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 K, x: z- G! f) w( b
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, b6 I  k8 C+ G( ?9 ?) j8 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 Y# m9 J; M4 d4 j8 O- v9 [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 c6 q  \, S0 s) C3 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 {9 o: p6 N( x# N1 X; f7 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ a; ?) b7 S( \( q. _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* e7 r" z+ l+ v( F5 S. S1 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- s) l. }8 \6 q8 i/ A/ g! M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 t* g1 M% p7 b# k0 j

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 z! F% q7 ?" C2 b5 y( M! a$ j6 U
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 x" r/ I7 v- ~; D+ f& M* `; Y3 w2 \

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 e( C- W5 x5 r) H# Z2 I# N, I) T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 W7 Z2 M; J" G$ E* a! J

" c1 w- l& P# r! zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ u( Q0 f3 b1 f' A. O" d- ~5 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.