Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, P6 _  Q" W, d3 Y- {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! O  C( f; C6 A7 f2 a& J3 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; ?7 j3 o* K) v: b* k  X: o  E道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 F; F- c- \# j1 m1 `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) N6 g/ Z" ~, e. W3 B# UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 ]# P' ~1 I% w' w8 `/ G. E
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- p1 `$ L# d' ^7 I2 n

4 M" D) l: I8 w) B% k0 B5 m9 f% O8 Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) [$ K/ P; h; e  \) p! C5 _# Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" s/ ?+ H" l3 C! Z. r) D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 ~& J, M2 i7 J因為我是情感比理性強的人
" {6 o$ Q& z" [$ Y( L6 y1 ~3 y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- K8 b( Q3 `( I6 ]7 f8 F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- P& l, z/ e7 V# ]: t! Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: m3 D* I" z( i- I3 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  f6 ?, I% p1 c8 p) q7 }: f) nWhat a statement we have here?7 i$ e% z( \! n, Z) J5 m
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 A1 k% m" P' o' g( [( g
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. i  b+ P! J- C& s' P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 X6 [' r# F' P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; q7 ~0 x. g) ["不信也沒損失"8 V) P1 o  A, K' r% S2 _8 e: p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& f) h0 I3 `$ N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., o7 _: o& W3 e0 ^' M

% e- J% X- z% e, rit's starting because we have sins......
/ L: F$ [- k- G7 g0 H: _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " \/ |% n5 h* |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ a% I) z2 P/ \& A/ i3 F  f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 }/ r  M+ }1 {, {# [5 P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% b: {! X1 f" ?7 }5 W( e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  C/ q1 G' n6 S/ }' W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( v1 x0 J3 H1 r/ s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. b: p4 [) V; u! V" o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( s$ g+ S2 c; Z4 V

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1 Y5 r0 r' }. k) `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* Y9 F/ y7 |$ [# q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 y* p$ r0 ~( i( p' s  g) M5 m1 @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" x7 f0 w4 I. c; k

! V: x  t& O3 b7 r4 B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" W9 A4 [1 i- d3 L6 Z3 s
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 ~4 \5 M- _& M' C; X

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* O2 S# [2 o6 w+ q; |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' E' T& d1 L# o) }8 L& ~& R! M

1 g) o  O% A4 w- dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.