Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' }3 A) C& g& Q8 ]; f) j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 R. _: S& C- ~: O6 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 e$ ?7 t) {+ ]& {& zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 [9 G0 d1 H- m. O0 z3 B

5 B! c7 o+ E4 j2 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# H% }: K8 \/ C( P$ v% c2 {) l" m$ ~
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... Z9 L4 L: G+ @: U" M

4 Q5 C0 R1 ^2 N8 H3 v$ sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 o* c, `6 _* L) V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! ^- T0 \- n/ L3 ]5 n5 ~
真的!!這不是反話$ V" ~& a# M- w2 V! _
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 \+ k9 A9 x, S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. C% }0 N9 E' p: T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 i5 i8 j. [- P$ `: y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 J& T: B( f2 K# N- W  j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. k* @, H9 X' k6 p0 BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 m8 z: k9 @, E0 ~/ K
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 r% D3 Q& c0 ~, s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# f  J" n7 M( w6 l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- w9 g: E9 Y  p7 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 T: ]* x0 i3 O. |; P& _! @
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it's starting because we have sins....... Z3 J8 U% o9 W& o0 C; G3 z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 H2 x: [2 ^7 K+ k6 ~$ l/ z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( A$ ^% e* ~1 i% c2 \- D* l" h" T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 `* c7 b( ]: M. r6 o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% j: _& Z) O* |% f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# }  z0 h* T" P1 T( O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% D# U  F+ R& M! t% {* P" G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" ^: p- F8 w' x- _, a+ I# a9 p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ u/ h! y* o" G$ I" }好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) n  _6 E/ a& J) f

% V" R! o( k- F3 Y5 _+ s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' L1 f1 E. I' o. L  g* w/ ]! c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 F3 c2 Y. ?+ Z9 L# R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 F# q' d: _0 }$ o" _1 k
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! D! |6 w  U5 X# d" t/ n) Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; Q6 q  \' o7 R以下是其他人的見解,. s! j8 j0 J/ Y4 F( c7 k* D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 c/ J! g' n& l1 M9 h6 h
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ ]! F* B6 e5 |3 F; H# T$ k

2 F$ y1 H8 P' W9 m4 B, V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 }% E. U$ e* x. r( u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% q" r! ?& I# y/ h3 x/ n+ I8 o- R" v+ h
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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' H6 W/ P1 u2 S& P0 kRegarding the resurrection...." t; r$ }) ~/ O/ j. k! h) r% @

% S5 o* V7 U! Y* m' eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# f  j) W, \; v( ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.