Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* U  x- l" t) }- b+ z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 Q3 p8 J6 ^; L0 T- I, _8 e4 W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 r) R8 H4 x- d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' P* c, X0 J- h9 Z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; H( a( S  f/ m5 j3 ]* XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ @+ n! ^. N8 u5 k" e

$ L6 \0 r# T8 _$ N& m0 [$ Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 B: `6 l; t' C, S/ M

* ^* N5 [4 ^* k7 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 p; Y) s+ V1 C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! x  o& F4 X1 l- U6 \- B- o9 M7 T- z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  j* w  ]' t3 y
真的!!這不是反話+ A% k/ V( U  [# K" g1 u# d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 |" P* Y. v% B" _7 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 F" M9 A  B% ^8 C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& i0 _; Q5 A+ j: b0 y$ H* t- y" ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 I7 h1 M( N4 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." w, [  g% D- }1 Y- V9 p9 v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' f2 g+ ?9 g1 o: r9 L8 _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- \; A7 s- d  N! J, J0 [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 k( d0 q$ F% {7 b/ w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 O2 _! H& l9 R6 Eit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, y/ c2 h7 `5 X% t6 L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ B. I: `, k5 x& L( J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ x9 }& }9 b0 P: E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ {( _, F* U2 v, p+ C5 j! X4 [! ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 F" I/ d* S7 N% P

' p' y6 W4 a# {3 l6 q1 V$ |8 u; y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 ], c* s* x7 F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, C$ Y! w8 a- y) D8 s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 Y! t6 @5 _+ e# }4 e3 ~6 R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  j* H/ z/ _) |& Y
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 R6 L  n: |( a) S2 p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; R- b, I( H! H. j

8 f4 p: Y! C9 c$ J$ l$ B6 g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ H# M% E) E& Q; I) ~+ U+ m.............信耶穌... ...

6 Q7 o5 c+ }/ E8 oRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.