Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. T) y% t, h3 d! C4 T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 o1 U, h9 {1 z' E% {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 k8 d8 P3 n) z2 e1 W% KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 |! i* u2 |" s4 \: N1 }2 F
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; c: p# b. C7 P8 A2 P/ @( i' d' mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 l1 ^9 u2 H5 D5 ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 X2 L0 S, v1 w% x. Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  r) ?0 x2 \5 G4 @
真的!!這不是反話" q( F1 Q; m" f5 }0 y% J
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ l. E3 }6 U& [' A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% q- B/ S' J% j' L6 L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 L) ?5 n5 v7 K) i5 n5 N, i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 [! i! Z) ^- k
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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! X* k& |: N# a. Y. @7 M! m) XWhat a statement we have here?4 [. D8 [" |" c1 s+ o! e% h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) b" j% P4 ]! Z+ ?- ~7 G$ o6 W! x; P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( i1 F  l& @6 k; U; a! C& Z
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- q/ h, X$ Y$ f: d$ D0 w

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( b% C  X/ U: o; R8 J3 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& s% a+ t! I& ?4 m1 ~5 I) D' T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; {: I+ w' f. e2 ^! m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 S+ ?1 {/ `5 _" p5 L以下是其他人的見解,7 ]8 E: ]; _8 w  a* G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 D- V3 J& c& |. d% ^6 J# Q

3 b. ^& W$ P1 `0 N- ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% {9 U' |0 x' i% l; x

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3 X1 m" B0 j) z0 W/ d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- i  K* f4 b" J" U# M! H

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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* C& G- g8 }) [, M4 w% ]Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% p8 n) a9 j$ {/ G+ p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.