Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 {6 F) T3 k( @( J( c3 _  ^% i1 w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* D% O$ ]7 {. k4 V: O' z3 A  I3 j3 m+ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* j( d0 ]' W/ z" g2 W  \道理我知道好多只係做吳到- g- b7 J; F* w* \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% [  u6 p" [5 C$ v# d, S! \5 @2 f! {

& R' j6 l& k* B7 a9 @* uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 N7 B( H9 \$ _% G

. a! p2 F5 |" }  kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." u7 W$ L& e3 e/ J3 m  D) ?2 l0 `+ V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: |3 @% M% p2 c) H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 ]& _0 `2 g$ j( X
真的!!這不是反話
# B) z. M7 ~* S7 E' ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 _( [( m3 n7 c5 H( x& e/ E. p所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* g5 m3 n. q- `% X" w+ ?, X! E& \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* |" B( B, _  m  v2 `  b! V8 ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* L4 o+ r+ `; f. p2 K1 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* ^! i2 P. R" d" Z1 J/ G3 |* D! ^4 |1 sWhat a statement we have here?
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5 N2 C0 _0 ~# a, J; aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 o/ T# ~0 }; ~: }9 F8 d0 fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 s7 k+ E2 D% u1 h

( o: N$ F5 i8 D2 _6 s7 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 N" P8 I) P( O2 P8 w& f7 t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: B' {! G* T7 B2 C5 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 @0 T. y3 R+ R: ["不信也沒損失"
6 C. m2 p; Y+ R/ W' B7 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 b) u/ ?4 U* P5 G" q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 p3 J/ b& P9 e9 qit's starting because we have sins......
6 @+ N5 j) f+ H$ Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 u. A7 |8 ^4 d" j) P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 Z5 A) E# d' P3 B( G/ v+ d5 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( w" T! b0 t& O) u# p4 B' c4 O* _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ P% J( w  a; W2 Z/ R1 d% H& _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& A8 M* y4 d/ \$ `$ f. m6 M7 L# z) |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 G7 I  P! T. G0 ]  o, ^

! }! R7 V$ c& N; h) Z8 |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- v) R/ ^& G9 T  t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& D/ R' P# n$ q8 v1 h. W/ {/ P; _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 ]% Q# Q& l- r) {* ?
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 `6 n7 @7 A& D4 S2 D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 J- W: s% g% @, w6 |0 t( R
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以下是其他人的見解,! G" G, ~( }. ^. }) H9 L% ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# g4 ?  T1 g* L, N- v$ F+ q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 H! i. ~; i) v+ i1 N% J6 c( q

! T8 D" M1 ]- m; T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: @; v) c! ?8 n8 P4 C. U2 m

1 T6 m4 V  H9 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, Q6 e- h0 T% P) F

# p# V6 E7 W. ]" q& t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ z) N. s2 p0 M4 c; {  g+ Z- S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ b2 H/ V* }  I8 i.............信耶穌... ...

! f& R2 R& v1 \' T' g% h7 Q3 m9 vRegarding the resurrection....
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! _# D# X# A% S, ]7 r" \# u$ iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.