Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 g$ C! p+ Q. u$ q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% V3 c1 d0 m9 F% c$ I又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. @  ?$ X4 Q6 I  i0 j: y道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ S6 w/ P- c2 e! _+ G! }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 y5 u7 c1 ?0 ?  k. \: r+ A
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- X( n7 y. o  ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  D: r+ f5 v+ N) Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% R. v1 \7 u# C. Y3 M# Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 d" k; p  D! I, ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 t" I4 Z  D! ^# i+ h: T4 E
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ p: O6 h4 R5 W3 _% V3 ?! o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, ~% Y/ z7 V3 b: a" ?3 _0 f5 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; f( z, q" _9 D! S

  X: y. j. h1 x/ l8 P4 _Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; i  \2 e; U9 Z4 ^. Y/ VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% W9 ^9 y' {& @8 t# e
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# A; G9 h  Q8 p% G/ W9 R% @9 f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' N5 \6 I7 G; h6 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......% v$ ]3 o( H+ m1 I! |, o( e3 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ J; _5 j+ O' t7 w3 Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ u+ |, G- R0 q9 T/ s, u7 \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* ?* P7 Q, F% h, G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# Y% V$ ?+ b% m# H: \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# l2 Y" n0 S2 ?/ M' p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, {/ N8 U+ v# u2 Q' i# b- C* |6 s* f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ Y3 L+ `* L: i, e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 B6 w/ t+ c- Y2 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& D! ^, P8 n3 Z% C7 Q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 m+ q# q; |3 O
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! B) t. n! k7 n. Z. w$ e+ M

0 q/ U% y6 O& h: g3 e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' |  y% c, A0 w8 ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, x( z  j2 ^1 Q0 k$ S# u! H* Y& H) _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 W2 [4 c) ?( B% V0 x1 W
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" z. _9 D" C& M

3 ?. U3 }2 _+ z. b$ Y+ o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% j0 U. t& K% t) s+ x/ o4 k- o5 ^: y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 E* H3 N' k' S: Q1 r# M7 Q
.............信耶穌... ...

+ ]0 k8 G& p! fRegarding the resurrection....
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7 d* H" u* Y1 n( I# q1 H8 GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) K9 ?# j2 [2 ^0 ]! x7 W/ F6 ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.