Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 q" b+ k7 M- F& ^  Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  _& g& ]: Z6 |7 C" W9 r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 `& v/ o% z) U6 |0 t( M! q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 v9 }% X9 F! M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 s% a# w0 e5 \8 e' q

, W  G: s; t: ]% ~- x: J' ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., y1 J" r8 a) ?9 G0 ]) Z% }8 S1 U$ s4 F2 H
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 B' |# ?( F& N; b+ ^9 }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 p! V8 E4 ?# c/ u; F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( \! l/ U1 o* `! x  e1 a) c; h真的!!這不是反話% w0 h  J+ _  `+ d3 Z* t
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  ~9 e/ F' Q  v$ ~2 ^0 \( T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 Q0 l# O* {0 Z9 G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  J1 S3 ^7 c; m$ J7 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ U1 l8 O" |; [3 @; j8 xWhat a statement we have here?
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5 ~! T$ x" U; A$ [( s5 a: R7 pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & C  k8 l% e3 A/ D2 Q7 M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. d  H5 D6 F1 W$ J5 f& _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. N! e0 I8 o7 Y3 \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' X& q) v8 k7 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ W  S1 x" B5 ]& q' t0 c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 ^. y* p3 Q2 y; l! kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ g& p- @' Z0 a7 cit's starting because we have sins......4 J9 ?, i" X1 b" K* Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 [3 V; G* o% ]* [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ B$ M9 t! u% d# A: W  E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. ?! _" X( R2 k+ |- c2 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& N( I# N) y" a! q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ k% E2 I" O: h/ `) C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: O+ p0 r8 m  p& W7 _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ P3 c$ h1 J  W* o! x% L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 E1 e5 ~0 E2 a. P& M8 o& T  d& V

- W9 Y4 w: V' a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* ]6 i- d6 h  h8 ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, F0 R4 B% N& ?& L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
6 X) h( z4 u1 h2 A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 z: ?  O, ^$ g  N0 T- l2 i# m

3 K! l, Y  @- C* S: \! @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; w/ @4 ^8 }7 g, I+ B( b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ F4 {, K0 q. e8 C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.