Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 B9 q4 D4 B  \5 Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; R  h1 f" s, F# t9 w1 `- w

2 T0 u& E7 r4 I, F4 t& emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 r3 d* D" a- g/ w$ `" V9 i

' X) O* q2 _/ v. I( Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% F& w& F9 V& l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ v' N5 y+ u8 n9 _- R& X4 Q
真的!!這不是反話7 \9 n# j# I# c  Y% M/ h# b% h
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! ]1 Y- ?1 e$ B! y1 P9 M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. y. }7 ^9 w( D+ c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- ~& |* H9 O# O/ ~; o# v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, B0 Y6 Q* C/ x, v( S# w4 [

$ |4 d# M5 D; E5 |% I3 N- XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! ?+ L! R! |6 TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  U3 W* b; v) s, z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") B# t8 i- A7 w2 k6 T- |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 u9 t4 W4 I7 X+ f) y6 z& {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( x) Z' X. o! j6 e, ?it's starting because we have sins......  Q& P0 p# k6 f4 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ a$ I  C  _* I/ F$ r+ f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 q2 ~7 B; u3 T4 N9 \. V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( F8 l) S* X& f: ~; v* U: x! \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 ~3 o4 F( D6 y' \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# o6 u' P5 `% o6 Y9 s+ \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; a4 r+ u4 N3 N9 v6 K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 i7 R0 B( M) c) A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 b+ i" J; l7 P6 t1 W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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& d# `4 m0 _  v1 ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ A& V5 `1 }+ E8 \6 z$ E, |1 @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, h% I# W) Q5 j! a! q: _3 ^
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以下是其他人的見解,2 n$ t$ j. ^+ R5 i- a1 A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& h4 p8 o6 z+ l: M; ^$ z5 g6 W

6 q8 Y0 G, [3 m( }信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' O) V5 {: S( U. E! f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, g) h- R# _0 A: ]& N( j  a# @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....0 P1 `. N. [0 V. X3 S& k' c# O( `  P

2 z1 B1 D2 v4 X: F8 b* S! lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# R( K4 t, P0 {: L. Q: z+ B; y0 b" j: R* F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.