Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 ]6 V- k: W& S8 e; [; S我係一個連自己都吳信的人; M8 P9 V7 f; `. n7 t) N0 x* M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) p" j* t- e5 J/ V+ y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* T8 ?- ^' k# V: `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% }6 E9 [  U  q# c4 }2 }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ D( k. Y% X! ^$ ]/ i/ n" b

/ L* u8 U2 P8 A7 g" CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... V6 e: j5 r+ {0 I7 c* J

8 X$ P* g! k- ^% N: Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% D1 l7 r/ {" U( jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: n& W' s# }6 Y" s* B& h8 X我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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4 x8 \) h( {* u因為我是情感比理性強的人& Y) d$ h- {6 s: u# H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ k% b& C9 f* N4 t, Q8 h# k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' \0 d1 D+ a- }8 y4 R
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% ?9 E  M% \+ q. M& k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- N  w7 f( l' P, Z. rWhat a statement we have here?
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. C$ l$ {3 t% g, b  BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 T2 R, G+ o9 [2 u

" J/ s% h( b0 h# ]1 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 O, L1 M1 p' Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 D; g6 e; L9 b4 uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 L: z1 A  X2 ~: i' q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% @, K4 h; l# c0 M8 a: }* b* U. m
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it's starting because we have sins......& M# |, c: X# b0 ?& n0 N, t/ h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ `" e5 {, O1 h; w' L) e3 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 ~* D$ U+ g+ j. l6 R( h/ I$ |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: [3 C4 y: n% C/ J  Z4 F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ n+ s) I, D1 u( r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' u' j. F) Y# B5 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: _: o# g8 A% \* M4 S! }5 R

2 K8 n' i- F0 \3 q6 u- d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 r) M6 X& I# |9 v" v8 D: ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( Q, P& s7 v; l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 i6 P3 x7 m( a2 w( ^
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ r! G" \, e$ \/ p1 W, H9 v/ W, U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; k2 Y3 ^8 N# c9 E4 k( i  u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 H: K) x0 [1 E! B) U! I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( m' r+ t. m$ v

' }; _6 R2 U1 V5 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ k1 w+ V" O8 O( ^  R  E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% q& S, L( C7 F1 O# @& x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. {/ Q4 X. R. \% Y# E- {
.............信耶穌... ...

5 }+ h( [6 e' u% u3 P( U! c1 X4 DRegarding the resurrection....
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% p& m1 x' ^7 i' L: E" eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.