Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* W+ T& i' b& b; z2 A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) E* @- i2 {  ~* Y! R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, N6 q' U1 ~  x, K/ s3 F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: J0 ]7 n5 Y+ ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. y% r1 o8 v) T+ r2 o: f! y0 W$ E7 SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" A5 x! g# ?3 Z1 x; @1 R) ]! V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& n- ~. y& W0 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& V) f( f2 J) _) @( L' }# n1 t我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 H1 Q! w) \9 f" a% S
真的!!這不是反話7 ?# G9 o  F0 _/ C8 L
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) Q! X$ B1 r5 l9 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. |" M/ Y3 @5 I7 _! f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- W7 F. C) q9 v4 i0 F9 WWhat a statement we have here?. \0 T+ s( V) p( l1 |$ Z

% n! ]; W1 o* Y4 ]! _+ E: EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ {* N& ^6 A5 @5 n- ]- [0 Y6 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; C) i2 o3 F$ g$ @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( t+ }+ S$ p- f: g# g; k2 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 }& _6 B9 M1 u. u8 Q9 p4 P" P"不信也沒損失"* W, |6 _4 u! O/ G& v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......' p4 @0 ]& X; L( a6 P! c$ H4 `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 v) q" s! Q6 {& C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ u  ]+ V- t- e! r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' f9 o) \) M9 \# n. j3 I2 }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* e9 i8 v* G' Q$ `2 H$ m6 F4 g8 e& K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ U3 c( P2 W6 [& _# K3 F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: ~2 }" o/ u! ^8 V. w& Q$ K3 x/ ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 ?0 U8 w& |. F* l1 j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( j% e) }+ J1 h& M0 R6 h0 ]
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 a* r+ Q/ n* ^+ @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! |. g- {4 H( ?: c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- a. K. t, ?5 X# G
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1 n( W; e) ]0 y3 B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! b# @( B7 u, r1 }5 G" F6 p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 q0 ?& j7 D& S3 z% U

/ a- c6 ~& R  H8 s' S7 u3 y以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 |5 o3 x  C* E$ O% L9 k
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 o4 r& H7 U# |7 b$ R3 j5 B

/ d0 W) L7 l0 E' ~  Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ J9 j2 o6 v$ f; n( w& H同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 f; u$ X9 ?; d5 r$ A1 K! S.............信耶穌... ...

! i/ ^# _7 e$ q6 M, B% z; H2 XRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! L( X* f9 Z* I( e- D0 h; m- {
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.