Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 b0 M3 G8 A- q% b! R我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ Z- O0 H( C( H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: i6 Z; f6 a! M+ o/ D" l- d$ m3 [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 d  h. v, ?7 e' f/ G呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  W7 x4 E$ a2 _8 U5 F8 v+ l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 B1 i- l/ f2 G
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ P8 F% e7 k- `, ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' ?9 c2 B6 c2 M! o) o) R* @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 B( [1 x% h3 [( _5 p$ K( ]8 k6 i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 H$ P+ t/ G" U: i2 e$ W1 J4 ~真的!!這不是反話
+ V. i& n- {/ Z3 t( j" i因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ V3 [# E+ d9 Q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 U8 @0 V8 E5 B5 {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ l3 E/ u/ R/ t( h8 _& V( c0 y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 o6 G9 Q% S0 P$ L3 a: \  O/ S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' c7 j" _0 o+ s5 J+ hWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . e" n! X( L6 U3 P% W* d4 ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ G4 j* ^; s: l, j' i9 D8 e

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  }5 w* n- K) A; U2 p- Z# U, Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 y! i1 z8 D0 y4 {- u# U0 j! X"不信也沒損失"
' }. p+ A* T8 H$ D( }, wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; L) l5 R" [: v3 I7 c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: U; n% t% @( j: D8 I9 ]

% `8 w5 o  ]1 h' Sit's starting because we have sins......
  E. z3 ~' h# s. r1 E. G3 C* ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % c" M) c  n- A/ S0 e  \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 k) T" E9 f3 q; k8 H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 b, @/ f# z. i/ j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 v4 ^0 [: b1 U: g  m+ D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' x7 m3 p4 f8 G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  ~) q1 {/ }! ]" [1 G! Y) ]. R* a& c6 W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 b6 H' w+ i- E) r+ R1 Q+ z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ F6 o2 \9 G( m4 _( `0 t3 Z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 P9 s5 I/ A# }6 R+ T& i

) G0 M9 I0 h& @5 [' |  t2 d) j2 C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' u3 Y$ _9 A4 P6 }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ T3 p1 n) G! R, x7 f. Y4 h3 x; S; w以下是其他人的見解,% n* w: ?2 o/ |$ D" a; T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( c7 z4 ?  W  C4 W8 r8 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ j7 C4 }5 |; h! Z( ?% l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! r5 N! u1 T6 V/ _" S6 I* ~+ l6 o.............信耶穌... ...

0 Z2 @' @* d: v# l7 ERegarding the resurrection....3 ]3 L9 y+ r  Y6 G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! w8 q0 e# ]# @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.