Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 v' }; Q' x; c$ \我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 _4 I6 {" k$ |: h- U3 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 C: f: ?6 R! u0 k6 m  }道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( |; O! r5 J, K! ^- {呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ Y  R: q2 Y; e( ?' s6 ?4 G1 y

# F( Y: i; Z  y4 V5 X0 v5 A) ^4 nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... x+ [$ U. r8 p4 G) F' t1 z7 `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' m$ r& m! n9 p# e- t* J/ Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" S% w! E1 y% |3 M- ~9 a6 }  X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 D' B# @) Z! \真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 P2 S. A6 y( ^* T% H9 V' i, }$ k4 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 X7 h- H7 d" C4 i% L0 E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?# B' L# d' t  t0 j( x6 v' t

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# V% X  B$ y4 M) i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 O; _) r4 \3 r* L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ K& J* ?: k# V& P. M"不信也沒損失"
2 j, C' }* V* B6 x9 C( q1 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% a7 \- H# E+ g% W4 O/ e6 |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ n: C" }: B5 m* `/ {" D4 q

3 @8 K  m% ]% l, @it's starting because we have sins......! {# Y. x% e0 ~) M! \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ]$ \) K) g) Z# y9 v1 p0 }6 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& |6 L3 ]- [+ B; H3 V9 J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. z6 l- _/ v: u' j  ^( I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 _- C( s- h4 x+ j, b/ F6 G3 U6 L改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& ^: X. |5 m9 k; [8 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 N4 q0 j0 C# f; _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 _( i: j- b8 J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 E  }, ~) }/ i6 p

& A! t  b1 L. O) m, o; o" r以下是其他人的見解,
: E* P- m9 M' @看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, f+ S) x: S9 s& n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 M* e, R2 C  i' W0 ~5 C, F$ ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 r+ u$ m/ v7 H: I.............信耶穌... ...

3 d  H+ o; V, z/ zRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.