Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ j  F8 m$ a& S我係一個連自己都吳信的人( |; Y3 i& z: B3 H- V% |2 o% X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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  O, y7 y+ U' t+ q1 _2 m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# Y# N* j: o+ ~* Z- \# u, V4 t" j% n) @

* Y# F+ [( y: n& ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) Y8 u9 y5 X: X% {6 x& \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- K& f' [7 w! Y2 b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" q$ C: _7 [0 a; ]0 [0 B1 u% f6 E, T
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 w  m& T9 x2 O4 a9 m7 X
真的!!這不是反話4 u2 ^* D! Q5 u' ^& y, R7 w) s+ }
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* C9 {0 f# h: a: t" ?$ b: F4 T$ M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) `! P" h- N! h$ T' _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& p1 e& Y% w8 v* w# |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# M5 o% b( O) ~0 n6 d% e2 FWhat a statement we have here?+ i. F/ q' [) B- K+ ~* X

5 L) i5 V& {3 R8 h# O2 f, z: p" [5 vJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 ?! \* {- N/ P

' ~- t4 W' h4 k1 I8 d7 [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 Z4 s) y  M! t% {, d; x

  x" Z' ^1 T! M/ s% {4 b/ F7 uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 K0 O- ^7 G; j

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 y" c0 a$ q+ K  w- |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 ~- @8 K/ t6 }& w! L1 `"不信也沒損失"' H, d; V& x& f" S/ r' X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: o9 p; Y7 ]! o( {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 }2 T# h; U8 O, hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! Z/ x# C4 K" u9 i0 J; N- mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! E! W# }6 i& b% M, v7 X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 ?+ [4 r3 f6 O. ]2 K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 i+ R$ l5 ], P) L$ a9 N1 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 x: n; B1 k" W5 r, J& Q( a+ @. \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 p9 M9 V; \8 v+ j' t, V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 o) q" B- f& e' D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ h& K- B3 |5 B! U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( i- Y2 B' m: Y: j. |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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, ^5 m2 A) z# u; g$ U- z- [以下是其他人的見解,
; c& q+ u3 F' O2 C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  _3 Y0 g; w9 m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 H* P% w+ A. q4 D

/ F. d' A7 M9 P) c/ z2 p; p0 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- a8 r- |3 q& Q& F' [; ?. K* S4 O
.............信耶穌... ...

1 w- e/ d9 i3 r9 Q- r; i' f7 [3 w& TRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.