Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ x! Y( G$ h; E3 S% R$ F4 A) l/ \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; I0 C/ u. W1 ?+ A. G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 T6 K2 ?; A: d0 P3 F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" u9 q4 |% _. t* Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' ]$ i1 J8 W. [  U9 K- w

/ E: Y) O' C! n# V0 T: emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 [6 f. ^5 g/ i# c我只不過微小的基督徒...................! f& l1 R7 G" ~/ J4 i9 {
真的!!這不是反話4 d, @" @" ]* ?- x
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( Y: \5 G" X3 @. Z+ X2 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," M! Z  B5 g* C+ w) _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! O0 V+ p; s0 a' s3 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ p$ `5 M4 {7 i# ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! k- l* P8 F# c5 D" W0 ]0 N( g

* @$ F* }8 }! \4 gI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) r4 S9 k5 r8 L" g, w/ b; m: o
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 n' z' N% U% S1 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ k4 u2 q  }- w4 K" s" [1 {  {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) S0 N' \/ V  V# C* b4 M9 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." s. R% Q: u. Y$ h! o5 Q! V
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it's starting because we have sins......2 V% R. |. [% o" v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : o2 y+ Q1 z% n- x3 Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 Y6 B# A9 ^8 F; v: a2 j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ @4 J  _" V9 S" u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 U4 h1 B( U1 b$ c* B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% L' p1 u1 E6 T4 T2 {! H& u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" y2 V0 D: u0 s/ \2 J$ _* T# l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; E  g: M( s7 W0 H0 g/ }

* A7 K( V) v  s, F; N4 f! d  \0 ]7 e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; ^5 v/ S) t8 T- w6 u( m5 k+ p4 z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 D* O- r6 ^! X! W' r3 s: h6 O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; w4 q4 k, k  s9 ^$ x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 C: ?# b+ P/ E4 C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 y8 b5 N! x& {  \; S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! g' S5 p$ Q' E. S/ Z+ z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 b. j3 C% D1 m1 f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: j' h3 q$ f& w, @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( V( K+ J. [1 |' m: t  K

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- P4 f4 |% m% L3 W1 S+ {同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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- n; M9 k- [& H) @3 KRegarding the resurrection....! V# ?% G! P  j# ^9 C  O, p7 u/ J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 ~2 A! i7 g4 c3 S, r$ C4 t$ [
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.