Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ u1 S! w, B: ]1 Z5 y' Y) c5 j我係一個連自己都吳信的人, h, Z( \: Z3 [/ f: y! V$ s5 j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, M2 a. p/ R% h  K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* ?- k& \' a, [, @呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* w  r1 y5 T* n0 t% o5 S; l/ fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., s+ e% a& H, y; q& |- J( O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( q' s4 T1 G+ r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人8 l: d6 g5 Y! V7 d* J9 ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( \2 C. I% x5 J: V3 l, n: r/ D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' L- r% |" }& y7 v# o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. _- }- m) L8 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) c4 K* A" K' m* r, e" C: dWhat a statement we have here?5 z  k6 I) u  k' Q6 L7 o. t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; W8 N" P4 I0 V

! ?: [8 {% ]+ c& `/ g+ JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, X! M$ O# R/ q. t$ @  t8 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 d* w5 ^. d3 R( Z& n  }"不信也沒損失"
" U, z* M  A4 D$ J( _$ Z! rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  B* w  O& y1 Y! C& `# Y* X0 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) Z0 B5 l( i5 ~
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it's starting because we have sins......- ~. J4 U$ B! v: R9 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 l# B; Q" N7 O. wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! v3 a' C, u& O3 Q# R" J+ V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 ]' i- z2 d6 P7 y- X3 o$ [* C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" O5 K* o" `  y7 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* p1 U! z4 C* R% A' M% D  s* ~" K+ z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% {% `- @6 I2 w8 \( z; R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 v8 L" u- P( f' x- D8 J' Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 i  A1 a# ]+ z2 ^8 \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- ?& `, i! }% L5 K9 n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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( m7 W  J+ z+ Y2 h* p. g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% g: @- e9 J, J& M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,5 s5 R* o- e' I, l" ]3 ^4 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 }0 a+ h: ^1 }% Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# p# M! R7 V2 H, M

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! n% e7 J: }) J* p" V: V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ P! ?$ F& U5 h6 l/ I! H

) {) J: F" e1 X5 ]" t' i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. T7 k# K1 g9 e3 O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! }2 M4 L# M) p$ i8 i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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; [, x; p! }3 F* R7 T3 M) r+ rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: o0 n2 l1 o9 S+ {1 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.