Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 d. d6 m) G' b! I1 R9 E. I5 x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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2 P4 h7 f- B+ ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. o6 ]  m6 c+ i; f( F: sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 D' w; j3 W$ S" f1 d* L: xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  S: `1 S3 S1 M9 H* F5 m; ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" l/ k& F2 w. M4 y& ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," W; `: c5 a0 f# C9 \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 @. M" G5 R& `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 r$ W. `: k; \1 t* {/ g4 _( s* bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 ?+ i8 O* ]+ \' [( |0 W. d+ ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 h9 d- [& v! q* q- W6 `% p" l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ k2 S) X5 X& p2 h/ g8 H"不信也沒損失"
) X3 _4 D7 B$ s9 h1 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 v3 @1 E. Y0 L9 V5 Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  W- W2 Z, L! F  W$ }: R- F+ U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 n; c+ r, r1 [- w  [' [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: w, y. h: q' `( [# [, W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 ^) H1 Z, m+ q  E; B3 q3 H
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 q- L- \  z1 @

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+ `6 Y8 c7 H: j0 N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) W+ p% u5 m: P6 N: ]+ R

; w+ X% g2 w4 @6 `& e  `. y* d以下是其他人的見解,
0 `5 S3 m: R3 M7 N5 s$ r# A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 ^9 Z8 K5 `+ }  g1 J# H- K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* w2 k! E6 Q4 o' k' i' G  e! @7 X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 i; R4 U8 E# J- u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ m# V# Y  Y* q' U$ @
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ w( }7 J8 I" d$ b+ TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.