Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 [% E% {7 [8 L& j+ _! }; [1 g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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: v' _9 s4 h! E6 \7 [( N道理我知道好多只係做吳到# }+ K( Q" p+ \9 g+ D1 F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, _& H: U4 d: U, T+ V- iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 n) C, d+ v6 G; u* l3 ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 F3 Q: {4 O& g, ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% i- x( [* k1 C1 Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* ^4 i( O& d" G# ~5 n, x0 w5 ~9 y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 y2 }0 T* y/ s! M0 d所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- d* {" [; H+ y# V1 A! ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 F' \% V' ]; j& B+ C: r3 e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 R% F+ O4 ~( Q* l7 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?7 r/ K: s# I  u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" }4 E9 G8 p, E  I
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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0 k+ @' W/ b5 f: x4 y"不信也沒損失"
9 M! x) v$ y# P6 i- e$ \7 X& HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 R# w' h3 {/ x# o" V, P! m$ z* M0 \/ _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 g! N7 ^# h4 {. ]$ |4 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: b9 O, g# y+ G2 b" Y/ lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") I% g9 H3 F: C# k' L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- g3 l$ [, `2 ^3 e% z' a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 T( q- c4 B- H8 u( t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ M) f2 J0 [' a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# Z6 p6 d; S9 j' R- k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* @1 u9 M, h& M% V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 K  m2 C, p9 K0 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# m/ S& ^$ F+ t; q$ i( k5 }/ j6 j' N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" Z' G; r) c) ?3 m$ M' T- ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: J9 i& _* W% W: n  ~( ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' E3 u% {1 _2 w# }$ K0 r& _
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ s. Z2 p0 d3 g8 f# H! J- j' T% y- d

, _, T8 F$ k* I& d* {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 ]! f8 o6 L0 h$ Y5 {* F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 {- b( W; I& q+ S1 K+ X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 q# R* W& E8 w. t3 ^
.............信耶穌... ...

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.