Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- _4 B8 H# T5 m6 F+ F我係一個連自己都吳信的人) z% g  f9 Q5 U* U/ o# B% Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 b3 v7 K4 S' B7 W/ q. @, y7 f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 t# A( _% |/ z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- D3 f4 s  ]* L5 M! e7 x9 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# T+ Y) c- G" e  [7 T3 N4 j: |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% C) s7 Q, j$ X3 D; v8 K& ]
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 P0 K: c* Q" M# T! e0 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 Z3 C) u* R) A3 H! F0 l* a3 |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 G: Z+ |& ^  M
真的!!這不是反話
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9 e/ O% Q0 [; _4 r/ b4 [; C/ x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 `" e0 t. G: f+ u% Q. V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& E# |! _/ h) e$ c& l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 K7 F1 m2 G6 m$ D2 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 j. Y# J, q) T& I# A; X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   f6 ^' v2 z3 ^, V# J- ?" q+ Z- c5 ~' _
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' _& z3 X- R+ o' e1 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 i) D2 t  [9 S, ?6 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( C" f) Q* g2 @" H* w5 Q6 J"不信也沒損失"3 ]; t$ C0 e6 i5 S3 Z0 y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 T* z# H  x/ ?2 \8 tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# e4 u8 U3 S5 V

5 s! K6 l5 H: k7 E" l2 Zit's starting because we have sins......
, e1 u8 c" j" e6 ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! |1 t' l" b8 m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 }% w- ?6 {, G: s$ O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: f$ c  N/ H6 R0 K$ @: c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 Y, C, I  O" _2 e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! Z; a0 f' _& d  K2 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# Q6 o0 r5 K' r* `* l- _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 T. F) p0 l8 f% K0 t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 t+ F6 g" d% z0 k6 g8 E7 I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* W/ M. s9 n; E+ ]* \( `8 E

- a! w6 o1 z! ~7 Z8 ]/ ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* K# O; d5 b. M3 v( o. u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% x0 l( I/ \6 G2 B- e6 W4 O" X9 H4 Q1 d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' ]7 H3 M+ A# \- l宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 T9 k/ G" V$ L9 a. Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 f3 c7 R0 p$ s以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 g! t: |" D# _7 B& e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; A: j% F# b* t+ {2 x* h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ `" I% L' G; i0 V# O8 x0 I1 }
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- F- L4 X( E0 G& _& f: B.............信耶穌... ...

! p* g2 P4 a1 L0 s; s1 lRegarding the resurrection....
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8 F: n/ c4 m+ Z9 q$ ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, @, t- [' k3 x  l5 UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.