Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ G, x0 _; a9 R6 e* s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到" s/ a. K) q) z" B7 C; U( o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 L5 n4 R- T* ?7 k- U) ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ L' W$ h" G5 b3 B4 x

2 {1 o2 [/ ^+ A, K' s( j/ v( R% gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: J4 `5 H! s7 z& Q9 A/ s3 d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 \; l' |& Y6 ~( M- N# q1 N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 i4 o. W$ O; S2 c9 U; {! b# R% L4 O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 E9 R1 J1 X9 s3 ]3 i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- N* o, p- T+ Z2 x' n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ ~+ s, f; W2 C5 b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?- V5 x; Y. b& J9 T( B# y$ W

9 s7 A( T; G$ `0 j& `3 l: \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 F% `4 G0 b7 _+ z2 u* ]

( R" K* x; s$ ^+ Y" [& zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 P$ A* E3 s8 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- \$ |$ B( {/ q, T1 c8 hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( N0 `1 O  b: f1 I6 X; [& mit's starting because we have sins......: J" n' q7 K/ D9 ~7 w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * t8 n. e9 w% k! a. I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", d: W5 f. M0 }) E8 h4 `8 P2 f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 p0 ]# ]4 }/ y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, a& }$ L2 J! I- m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" S7 x! ^% g3 S$ q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 b- l5 {( s6 Z" x) w4 [* z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 c+ i4 [- R' x- w& v! W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 e/ t* K* j) R% _! }# i5 ]8 N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- i% t' Y2 M  a9 j: s. i  _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# _; O" L, T, d% Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! [( ?! x, q5 M; C3 E' }  \& B* q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 n/ |9 S! e! E4 L% \$ l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 {* }3 s- V8 f1 ]; V5 p2 s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; g0 o5 `# n% Z) L) g3 P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ }: A: N  x& E& D" ^; C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ X! \) l7 J! X4 R3 I

! }8 |* X2 p" M! k3 l$ ?- v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' `; j/ t' E( w3 L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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: [" n/ R# P' h, K& F0 u0 l9 G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( @. o7 P1 e% A' h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 K  U; N+ H+ t' N# o* ^9 j9 rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., C9 _/ j! u: v6 T8 n# }

+ l, n4 i4 C( q. AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.