Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! s) v+ {/ t  y8 V4 ~7 s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) I/ B4 N9 ~' i' v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 O$ ~4 `- G& C% P道理我知道好多只係做吳到) M4 l' d! S- W: Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; o' i* E# X" z+ T  \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  @9 ]# C1 @- I$ Q" t* I4 N+ E

: r  J3 M' N! l! E; \" X. d/ Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: p' q! M  T3 e  @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ e5 P3 c+ L4 m% O  h$ u1 R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 \. U6 t2 ?0 P: g* r) t我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 V- v. i9 a' J# U) F5 K5 I真的!!這不是反話' E0 J+ s0 f) _% }3 w3 I% h" D
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ i' l; J  F: v# y3 v4 e' U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' W* U  F# y% m" a: l! B7 i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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2 ~* y4 j# I: N5 r# M$ GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , n3 p- s( m/ q5 X% X

& `% d9 k, j# I, WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: B. S8 O( j- o( o( q% w5 _

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  O7 L1 j/ O! \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ h8 }+ r# [& ~, L- [9 O* A. F5 s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 m- U8 J  q/ v  _% ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 z# e5 ^' e* F5 L- J) l0 Bit's starting because we have sins......7 f, d8 ^( w! W0 L( k5 P6 v' l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# S# v2 G4 z5 o) aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 `. @. P# u% p只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 V# `+ _% |- V' N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, k* h3 L* r+ s! l9 x1 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 J( l. q, I0 m: p+ f, j
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 A  P+ x0 q+ y: W. E+ h, P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 G7 j* c+ k1 S! B

0 p% h% P3 M5 ?4 l# h; z# D; e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 v* H: A9 K5 r; F9 i; g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 Z$ W0 M8 z0 w# n4 r信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,5 s  B- ^# ^( ~& B4 s0 m* L2 y" b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 F9 U& Q5 g# {, P
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 g- |: L4 ^+ u; }! k1 L( ].............信耶穌... ...

$ f& T0 d5 w" G& x3 ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 ^7 b5 [- H4 L: I2 k
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.