Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 n! [- C5 \- F* h; Y0 P) `/ J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ U0 f* m) \2 ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 S, D" d& s9 b5 Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: t/ n; [) a( _$ P, t  K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 }4 V1 j, g7 X6 F) \- kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- }/ u( u1 ]( z6 a9 f7 t) @- j1 Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% E6 t! x9 G6 Z/ p7 ^, v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 B2 l/ q5 ], Z' @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ h# {2 {7 v8 R( V7 G0 k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( N& t; h1 P2 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ f5 `- q( ?# w, l) h" z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 E8 V: t6 Y+ e. B+ K( z; pWhat a statement we have here?5 ^2 U6 @: C: _  O3 I4 t% ~
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , F/ G; w7 ]* i* Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 W( W" _+ P( |2 G' J6 K- t# uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 t* J/ ]4 R" F7 C& X2 a6 B

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2 [7 L; [3 B& T% r[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 {& I4 w- V/ M5 F3 \; q6 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 P+ U' O/ k5 U. U+ s7 g"不信也沒損失"$ Y8 h( B9 S1 w- h2 Q; b6 l( N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 {/ P4 b! ?4 p7 M5 V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% z% i2 H8 H7 D( i  q* U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! F+ S, B. p# Z3 R( N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) ~$ O0 L0 o, F! ]6 t( q, K5 _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ w0 k7 r* c9 m2 V2 S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' \# g6 G$ P# y+ S! d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& X( P& D1 _! i" w0 R3 `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 h. g4 Y$ d% T' i# {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, k: D5 z% |/ s: T1 F  f3 ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  y" I7 b1 L1 Y4 J% P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 c' q: l/ N" a! }' A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 L/ F2 M3 P% ]$ C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 A( S  t4 Q9 Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 i( W# y2 y: k# u( W) S8 T8 `# Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 o" C: C3 O1 p
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以下是其他人的見解,$ \, l% R# T$ d! M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ b  H* Y+ `4 g1 Q
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. f" s, l, [( O, [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 U$ G% D$ x+ W8 M. y

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5 {" @' L  [# m5 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 o' |: ?( k4 V9 V, J/ M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 W# n5 }9 c  G; E
.............信耶穌... ...

* }( X- V# f; @, ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 G% ]% t6 H% w3 ?( j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.