Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 u% E# N$ W) N, M; {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! H$ @8 I! a  o' M; V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* q+ g0 I8 w2 {) t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* p, |; A7 @  J7 A3 n, i/ @

% h; T% m' i" r* {# ^- |. F0 TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: H2 d  S& U) Y; W: P  r$ A8 h& I

6 }! P" b: K/ n) ^1 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 B3 S9 O9 n0 E, L! a, S

) u& A- i. J' E! S) Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: a+ X( k' \' m' {8 |6 J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 }3 ]* T6 A1 L  b) Y' u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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7 m$ z( i4 i" s9 Q因為我是情感比理性強的人9 K; a3 E5 A  d
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 F! i( t* I6 S! x( E" _- ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ y' x* K) y, F% H. b1 v. X' x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  `) A# ?6 @/ g% i8 y" i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?; o8 z! h$ f  X  m3 t+ Z* F

" j9 E% o+ {: L" k. V) k/ f0 E" O9 OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ B+ ?3 M0 `- z& k7 z& fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( E6 h4 A- i8 O' Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: Y9 x/ o* e5 S8 n* V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 P; x' f, E6 L* x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' ]2 r: k7 ]1 ^1 t. m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! x. G+ x/ p3 a! L8 u- L
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it's starting because we have sins....... `" {, q, g' _# ?% d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 z6 b  D2 Z) I& }0 C: C. Q9 [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. C3 I- v, y3 t+ h$ M8 }9 V  R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 t0 S3 c6 q! x1 T( I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# \4 y' h; c: F4 g5 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* m4 u' ~8 N9 P3 r+ X7 K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 l, g4 I9 T3 [4 A4 W3 e

  ~, S2 p9 i( Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 l! F! |$ S0 E# r6 L8 }1 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# A3 _  N8 p% J5 h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 A& b' I1 ?& V6 ?- Q7 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) ?' P! `8 n$ s& {4 j. O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 v& ?  \/ P% {1 p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 W- R. x" I: d6 b# C/ Y* w, Z8 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, i. K2 [8 L# b! g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 e# W: y1 }' o5 v2 b

7 l% |6 Y, r, m6 t# b  R以下是其他人的見解,$ o  u% X0 u" {; s2 c& {3 \4 F% O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 h! P+ ~/ d0 g

+ M! x* w1 L- ~" E; U8 |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 J; L) f0 N% z9 @  U" J, Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  @4 H' s7 ?# C9 f, ]8 X( A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ J7 v# Y) U3 v& D: w
.............信耶穌... ...

+ \: N( A& R8 {7 pRegarding the resurrection....& T9 a  t* {  I

$ J7 b( e4 v5 @4 _5 PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.