Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ E% e1 [/ T1 u- w! a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 _, v2 F6 ^8 e& D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 S$ k$ Z5 l- H) G7 n  c# TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 q# y. D% k- s1 R; t: cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 x! j) @9 R7 y8 A! P
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 q; x: I4 u$ ]2 z. W1 u6 n; \
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 r% M# N. D, L; R) D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% |2 ]0 T, y  Y3 T( P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 D% F: B& S4 e/ l: N0 A2 C. M; D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' c0 c7 _& m4 U1 o/ f$ n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 F7 w4 b- H/ L1 I% h9 L

6 x0 E0 p; Q5 s' VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# _# f8 \, P) R. U8 H

" T. j7 N# U# w; i- G8 [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- p) I4 C4 t. p+ i* z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 b: g+ r" w4 C8 k9 _( O& }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% f/ r# _/ p6 c- I4 k"不信也沒損失"
1 u3 ^6 d& c2 Q. LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# p4 g9 R* r- _/ C0 E( k( |' a8 `5 Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ A% f( \4 i' x
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it's starting because we have sins......' Q& n0 L  f. N; c2 o: l9 N/ y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 z, X7 B/ s7 ?& M2 ~6 ~/ q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  p$ ]1 V) A0 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" I/ T6 U+ l% K2 h7 b4 b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ k2 c/ ~, m$ ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 R. j0 h+ P  c/ M
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Z% r& g1 M3 ]( n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# W7 A0 K" O. F

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# d1 \" }+ q+ D: e- X0 n2 ~4 o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... U. N$ @. d; @

) L5 t; h3 @1 u! P4 u宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 U  i+ v: `1 ]

( p7 M' w1 s7 ^- @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  D7 a# S  m; Q+ B3 V/ R' \( a% G4 ?信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; Q6 p! }. N9 C* ^

& I7 a1 J# D3 J1 D  \, L以下是其他人的見解,* ~" h2 a* a3 d: a  H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 J( Z+ p; s) {& w

' V6 P' N0 \* c6 Y& [. L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. v  }& C: S: d2 v) @5 `

3 @5 s2 ?* ^3 e# x5 w% a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- L, p; ^/ b( O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% ?" H% \2 t; D& G! V  ].............信耶穌... ...

+ L1 M, z% Z9 F2 T* g- J- `, q- p0 jRegarding the resurrection....% K6 d! X; H' v' \# V2 G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; n' c4 {8 ~5 X* c& DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.