Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! y/ u2 k; C+ G. I/ x& a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 w. e( b- I' V; A( O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* C* v  {4 O0 Y/ d1 Y! Q% E) _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# s6 }+ G+ O5 D/ t

% s1 s( l5 E1 G  s) }. q0 P# {2 T* WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( I/ Q2 [# m) @0 \8 h$ Q

. ^% S5 e: h7 x: M- Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ T3 o% q0 @3 ]& \/ M, R8 T7 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( N2 P& ]* R/ g' S' O2 t" Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 ?# |) R- q  N% v1 ^9 [- Y. ?" G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 }, I# ^( W* u, q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 f% h# w& Y3 s2 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 t# g- y' ?" XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ L% z6 M5 F. o, {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( N. ^, a$ Y+ w+ a& Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& [2 q! ~+ Y% D# H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 \7 v$ a& g+ [5 t/ e& V"不信也沒損失"" t7 }- S  \4 ~' |9 L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, F' ]: ^; |8 c1 sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 m! x# d% G$ R6 E! f7 H' Qit's starting because we have sins......8 Y$ f) l1 V' {' ^, z# u- |! V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. p$ g/ l9 J$ ]+ e6 q& D, R; @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* @* [7 x3 o: m1 H8 F4 Y/ J7 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 ~  v. I8 k* h3 D5 y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 k. X% P% K  ?, F3 X/ l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% ~. [3 k) @( d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 o3 c9 ~7 E8 m0 N  i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: e4 \, v; i% \% X
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 G# {  V- y! p" u1 A/ y0 u1 U$ g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: U- ]; ~9 H3 i2 s
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- Y, D& ]) b& |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 D/ C' E3 x7 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# a, D  D& r/ k$ P: O  K: |
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 |8 |! `/ v) _+ t  o- H- X  t& `+ f% G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& Y. z* e+ I& a, y0 |& [以下是其他人的見解,
# c  p+ e9 S9 i! m. n. Z6 z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( X$ j% p7 `/ N' y  m/ m
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 r5 e7 s! ]- v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 H- v( Y7 S' \8 Y) g
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- o6 E+ ?% n( v$ _' d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 @  ~7 M; G# Q/ P( K; k, T" Y5 Q" C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( p9 p# _: f# K/ r8 F$ ]2 |$ EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.