Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: [; H( I) l" K- f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, L3 j+ q* @/ [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 t9 P; a! }: l+ B7 t3 H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. d* V6 y2 q1 H# {. E& m- N

) w  }. p* s# k! p/ c/ fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( r, k$ ~* Z: ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# D( A* v  A9 C. }, _# o& S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: u" N" \: l; L( B5 g: H& S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 N* ?; r" Y; {6 n; D8 E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  l# h# w( C5 y7 j真的!!這不是反話$ U+ @: j) C; M3 c, C9 g, E3 h
因為我是情感比理性強的人- D- ]* x8 p8 }& R  t0 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 f: _* J( q9 O5 A- Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: K% ^* l3 t+ o, O: @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
4 g0 V" F3 U/ z9 x正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& P2 `* v- l7 ]4 m8 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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7 l* L) S2 ]1 z: M- _8 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 f& k- P# R3 ^7 X3 [
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- h( K: |  E9 n- u0 mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ ?7 e# c/ h+ A; Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; a1 z' N# [/ N9 j% [8 ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 O$ \: M* B& Q* l; H3 q" k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! Y$ u' [" N' Iit's starting because we have sins......! c0 y* |; B/ o  i7 U, e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 X  a& ^' u( m4 O! x6 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. Z& a: @0 q- b& R; o8 p5 w+ R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  c3 v1 Q$ W) J$ e# h. H" N2 o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 f: g  _8 b; ?, s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 ^" Y$ K7 }2 {' z* t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: P/ c8 x$ e5 N1 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, B7 q  V1 Z/ W1 r/ A$ [* l8 V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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" k" x6 d, n. \; d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," d% m( R7 v: @9 s9 T0 ^* u- y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) h5 F3 ]8 D% y" Q& _" p
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以下是其他人的見解," F. `- `3 @5 L) C% y  T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 H+ R# m, |/ N: |) J$ \* S( ~9 L% O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  Z) ]7 C* j) r3 Y7 F

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 L# j* b6 ^$ _% Q) ^% ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* ~7 z: K- F0 D1 ?
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 F* y7 x# r( g- @1 Y3 {  B

$ {1 J. i5 c2 j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....* Z+ S% Q. k8 S9 q% d& k% T' w

; g! ?+ X5 ~( b5 W- L- UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 g& C- c( |# ^' x7 O& N4 C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.