Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( g* C5 Z$ x" b9 h! E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 i! t! z+ K0 S, m( e" q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" `9 j; `! K2 P! n5 i' X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; a; F  z; C" }5 R% g+ \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 k7 Z' T& Y8 m) ~0 Z  s

+ {. t* z6 w# C1 L# u% K% j  `6 U' Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  J4 `( O; Q0 o( Z8 h

6 d3 f5 {. S2 [/ Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 }. _# _0 C! O3 ~0 jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  t" R; n4 F( y3 {0 E, L* K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& w- b3 t& Z* G" o6 s! |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! V" s8 M$ e: C9 v6 DWhat a statement we have here?. v; [* a6 ^' e9 w6 n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 Y& E4 x& u  e' F' zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( f6 }' g: t. S6 L5 T* |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! B% I- C; V2 N5 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 o. ?  N) Z8 P  `: `& j( F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 Z$ Y% o. [  z% i' B1 Fit's starting because we have sins......- I: @/ S* D$ s' Z7 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " a3 T/ A/ U$ w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' C: a! v, l0 f2 m1 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  h/ Q  Q5 M/ W  I+ L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' @. e5 w, O# H: s0 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 V) H3 ?- V% Y* I: d: a3 L3 d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) I. z* w2 v5 V

! O0 t# V  c9 p4 W: x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! O$ v. L# m) A# i  r. L7 p( ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, {3 ^+ u, r8 D7 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 l& A3 H% s. C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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! g% F* l$ C8 ]1 [! }" n以下是其他人的見解,
4 G8 e& ~& I4 ]看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% {2 P( S+ i! w

, `7 g( d+ A: B2 [+ b! g* G9 B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 U$ a" p9 ]* ?  u8 `) m( p# C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% K% o4 X- G( y' a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! b! Q1 _, x+ }1 @( f: f  s

! ^8 s7 d# [4 P6 w1 Z1 l# ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# @, b5 ^3 u8 {+ h" @& D; F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., b! t# W" a% R  ?' v  o( X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.