Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- o1 y& c) p0 \; t+ U6 g* g. l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 ^. R; @) d) C9 E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: o0 A" w. W* l: B- z1 w( z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 e0 l# w' Q7 t! o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 R3 y  d/ r( _/ B  Z, D% B  I! m; INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., e: t1 z' x! `. ~5 W8 h

. H( ^: R; Y( }7 V( S6 D* bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; h/ f: n- m2 j* G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 w9 u/ ~+ m$ r3 Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( j6 S' [0 g+ i5 X2 t我只不過微小的基督徒..................." j# }. l0 A3 Y9 O, K! o1 M
真的!!這不是反話$ V! F% J6 ^/ w& j- q
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 \8 L7 L: o9 i1 d- {. w2 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 s- b7 A" m7 p3 ]# G) \/ T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 s; @$ y3 W; n6 O2 L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. i5 r8 q' c3 S- C& f, @, @0 t4 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( @) g0 k" X% y2 J' k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 k" B8 H" q4 [% W3 D% ~

3 r! y. R* r' |2 L! oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- A9 h8 D" f- G; l2 ~* Q

& q! ^# h7 k; B$ Y) {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ g! ^  l' \, K& L5 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ X/ r; R, X; z  v6 x! W* M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 l% v4 w, A6 h1 ~  m( A& F( s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 b7 t' F$ E9 [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 O, B) l' {' X. H9 a) a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; a: J: c3 f+ W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ F$ c5 x  e( S$ _0 O1 a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* d4 p4 n1 A0 f7 D& n% w9 z& }. m' M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" R  i8 j& Y5 R) K; W2 Y/ N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& ]9 I# B& k2 b  c) q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. y! u' R  a5 j8 b/ `
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  m+ l4 B  w. w& t, I" i8 u# C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( ~: v+ O5 V4 N2 y3 X) v) w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ |! b3 g3 y& ^8 R9 v. ?! z1 H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) u4 F" W% M! u9 e; n" a8 u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: m1 v" x* f0 z# X; d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 c2 g! G8 Z# u# \9 I8 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! \' Z% S: s0 k1 O2 l! t. k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
  b* f8 w3 F: L看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- v* M% ^- o5 t" S) ^" y9 p8 M
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" f( L# w' o* E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, M3 S! k3 O6 T  J! G7 p
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 L% H4 Z) }; M1 [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ x5 A( E7 L/ t.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... i$ P9 x- h) }. x0 p6 k3 I

' w) `  L& k  a, L) ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.