Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. l+ S1 q6 L; V9 J1 J我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 g5 l. i( X, `+ U" C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% Q' k, k, ]+ D1 c1 i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: i4 k( e2 C, p% k6 d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 W' X! r* U5 gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  H. `& ?/ `2 }7 F! D

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 |. w. r# h; `( ^% E# E* _! y3 h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ z; U$ x) i2 b! Q% s6 V9 @( i2 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) E$ V/ c3 o: L. q2 _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 D- z8 G: a" A  U8 ~
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ T$ w& l, I5 |' w. Z& N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ n% {" y* R( o. ~7 S' v: m; I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- z. I6 P5 u1 @. V1 o8 z* e4 c1 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) _+ i; Q; j, W7 q* e' d- T- d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# x9 i1 U* g! r5 x) {$ n( i$ E' |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# Y) g/ c. @; K- [/ R  C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! _* }: v3 k5 q& a6 ~4 |; I

9 r, y" D  ]6 i6 Y0 G% |/ ?it's starting because we have sins......* S3 K" o  F4 S$ a# |$ J# ^  P& N1 }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 ^) D5 y6 }7 g* j1 w( k2 V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- {# f" c- B' R; H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  k& n' Q. _4 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# ]# s0 n1 X* `! U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 M9 T- ]6 w1 A/ [+ z2 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 \6 Q- T1 a& d, K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ x9 p3 e- o1 @
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ L% b, T& _9 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; u" U& z4 Q, p8 j5 R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ I; o/ F4 T$ @: x  z; i- A4 B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, R2 o3 Q$ [  Q& U, C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 R( L6 ~$ G2 y) }! I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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7 ^2 X. ^3 s( D以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm0 K9 X. l, ?2 _

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& B( a0 K/ l, x; Y4 v8 a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, B% a% z) N3 Z$ v( s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: r( P& B7 H8 K  A1 S
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# O" S' \7 v8 u* W.............信耶穌... ...

1 }  l5 r) N. a* {; i. DRegarding the resurrection....5 r. Z" j3 J. r8 I1 ~

: U+ h  P) {& v0 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 [2 L" z1 y0 N- e

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