Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! U" D& d& D6 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
- k& d/ z/ Z, I' ^4 q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 R, @+ r, o- [& K; t道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; s7 k# O* ?; f  }呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 T$ g# i5 m7 u+ ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& N# `& E0 o5 \8 L
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; H3 }% S# |/ S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* i6 T- B' Y: X# }9 p7 |9 W$ Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 [! s: n" N: z我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ y- o  j0 P* K. b/ y
真的!!這不是反話
# D: I1 x& j8 ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 t3 J3 p  l( `% g8 z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( ]" v  a9 {" `# [+ B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) ?/ p% C+ ^0 G, o: w( ?! o! Y1 d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 u$ y$ v# l( i9 D, @& Y$ T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# S- N* K$ ]' }9 _) L: y/ ?$ KWhat a statement we have here?) X& s* l& O- T1 C; J$ V4 \

: `+ T. a0 q% F( C9 dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 n, ?% c& F. @% c4 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( M& x  w" d% ~; sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 ^5 A' Y) i( x* d& h; z! n% `1 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! w" W* s& H* u2 y1 V$ M7 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  ]: r7 y5 f3 h) T. q! t2 k: p6 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., \) \) j: g7 _

1 k! |8 R2 b6 \7 o' s8 Fit's starting because we have sins......, o- |( m% p6 U/ u9 w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ I" [: m" G2 |; P" p2 mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: l2 C: H; ^. Q/ P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 S1 }  q- q! Y# ?好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: A9 F8 U5 {, @( v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' C  d  P1 B4 b" N- _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! {0 E, E1 `' A6 c6 T. N- [吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," K( `+ X3 j& j, P6 k: K" O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 S( V/ h9 G3 G7 L0 t6 `% v5 C. D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! q' ^, r) B1 h
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 ?) Q* \5 S- u.............信耶穌... ...

- r$ H  y. ^5 Y; r* t0 B  q5 M* kRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: [( ^8 @- S4 ], {
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.