Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, Z: b( C' ^( Z* `) P: V我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* G" l* ^8 ^3 }# z$ d( l  q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ t" i- P% h. d* a: {: P2 Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到% J- S7 D; w; V# ?5 W$ d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; t# c, `5 \/ Y$ S0 tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! q$ j3 A4 v9 @2 T! |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 O6 ^* C' m$ G* D* y' g! X

+ ]' H; [; y4 l2 g) X( B- C/ qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 H% Z$ b4 r$ `2 p) x' f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, f6 N0 y) I3 L% ]( f. F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 {5 @! {5 L3 g8 X真的!!這不是反話
( {1 p' e. v3 U8 r# |' `% X因為我是情感比理性強的人
) E# x! h3 h! K: X( S  R' {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& r) e$ K* A, ?; a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! z2 l0 o4 l9 v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 c# z. n/ _! K( e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. ^- `/ X: d! l0 ~6 L+ r. w$ P5 B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 E  l! `. X+ m# B3 K
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. Q7 N5 w$ _0 e$ L4 o; c8 ^

) _* A5 y" Y2 S8 D; ^+ d6 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' y+ o/ `, J. T
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) Y6 N: X4 f: c* `7 G9 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* A% o+ E3 B: r& u"不信也沒損失". k/ T6 f5 u# h# A! E; I0 V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( z/ [1 s, L- vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* r4 e: o0 M0 U0 d' k0 N

. L1 l1 y& z: E: m# g: D# Y  s) u( iit's starting because we have sins......
' a* Q' L, O; Q! t9 o$ h/ y- jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! A- S# Z& M, e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 u* K" L  U2 B8 P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- i6 p4 u% B( h% N. J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% J$ O" d* n1 Q6 z$ ^7 t1 I: D  W' v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 m& o- |, w7 G- s, v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 A. ^. J6 b$ l' V3 o& Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ H- d( e6 H! o$ d4 y' d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& Y$ C. T5 K6 V5 C# v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 v) v# V. I9 a/ {) t6 Q5 B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 I$ C, c+ Y; s1 Q2 {) [1 P$ {
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 K8 k* z, v. n& {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 g7 f0 w9 g6 t) z# Y, @以下是其他人的見解,
: m# M. R* ]7 D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" i9 s0 r3 |- k9 {# l" G8 G
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! u  k* G- Z5 w+ i: j& r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 S- h/ V9 ~8 z" U  ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 j  M' B, u5 h, V5 @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 l' S+ i! k+ W( G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' g; P8 G9 h- I* ]/ {
.............信耶穌... ...

  ]% s+ h( D, {, U4 u4 X; k# SRegarding the resurrection..../ e5 {0 I: |; S# A( @6 |% L# V

" T; B. B5 ]2 }! c9 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.