Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& H2 @( r2 z) ^  H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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: B: c+ F6 b+ ^/ K  ~+ X/ ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! x+ V+ ]( E- K4 g' t& |" i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 Y+ G  P+ E- w- TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 e. Y5 k8 `* o2 V

% M$ H' }' G* j& I) v! i% xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" x- _" }* {* p6 Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話# z) k. B  c$ e0 B& l3 M5 V4 W( m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ [$ S, p) @: W0 ?( K7 d  [7 [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 a+ n, t: V. z* N/ q/ x4 r7 T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& y/ c& d. X0 W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( X5 Y* I! g8 X5 W- h# T0 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 f: o: |! O4 ?6 `What a statement we have here?
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  b  Y; g4 m2 a4 D) ]# I% bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. |4 V/ j' R" p% HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# ?) i$ T+ ^* M8 {( q+ `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, a" k+ z/ }/ b9 m/ O; f  ^
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- L4 p% P9 m$ N% i; o) |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! a7 u# `3 \# ]5 p7 ?$ R5 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 ~' N( E" G# G) L2 Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 b4 q1 ~6 @* X9 Y# B

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 }4 h" k; Z; `. F2 n% b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 v; p% v+ e: ]  R# A7 q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! V9 d" O/ k# Z7 ~7 t" `  y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ B& g$ P/ I) [- }2 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' _. d6 f$ s9 w( f0 Q) b, m, E" \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- K1 z7 m$ g# R8 ~
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ f5 x& K+ @  k以下是其他人的見解,
3 W) J5 u2 u9 ^) l6 m1 g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* |. o; n" l% p: X/ j

0 t" I7 w5 `( o( Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 }& ]. B/ [8 p0 G# h5 ?

- m6 ?, j- b8 f0 M2 M) s; j4 T3 J) t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( C! p: {6 Y0 D- x, J
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 m, b2 |/ v, x6 g3 N* w$ J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: @4 W' L$ ~0 @3 }5 z( x" v
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.