Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ V  C; H' G+ |0 [" `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* L8 ^7 F& U: `, ^: x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& s& L" l' R/ e9 x$ A( [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 @9 z# w9 c( @2 o2 y! GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ U8 }  c' r' w  n% H6 c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 ~- @8 R6 ?0 E' ^2 fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 k& t$ T, a' @4 \% Z6 H; v# }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 X" z" b: I$ ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 L/ ?- Y, m- c我只不過微小的基督徒...................! P- S# b) Y3 S* }
真的!!這不是反話2 m7 V, D. f/ X$ L3 a/ [, i7 C
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; G: L; o8 R% w9 ]. \" h8 ]# T# R3 m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; Y, P5 z! F6 D1 n, g  ]7 p; z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& Q0 q" p0 t' {; A) G) B, l% _5 k1 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 A: v# d2 t! F+ F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- z: \  l. G4 d4 K
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- }( C- f+ v1 N2 O( F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ W: p% R7 R! T, P! Q, p- M; B8 b, sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ P& r2 G* f# x4 q( b8 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' @# g% r( v2 C! u% Q0 l& Jit's starting because we have sins......+ ]5 X: |" L; i$ T1 ]  k" x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' ?; K4 V0 G; `: T% m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( P; h$ J$ o# g+ j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 P8 |' w& c. X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& Z, t' D2 D  Y! `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 j9 a3 t( a; I: w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) G. x0 {4 I/ E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- H4 c' t3 F* @% O& W! Q

) ]$ T: e0 e' Y* D/ |2 z, ^6 I* x! h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 |2 n2 U. m  e5 h& c- `- E
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: Z  j! K+ P# A2 H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 n, h9 d! F4 x% T: d信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& m0 h4 [% G" m8 ^9 \. u+ h以下是其他人的見解,
: z+ A' u) u$ A7 j4 ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  P9 e" x. B. A  }4 a. N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) r4 b% c# ?3 ]; z" o$ }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% S: j9 g8 o7 V1 R$ E# h. f; F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ J* U% e2 R/ R/ x8 d

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 \& d( R8 N) |; z- W+ [4 o.............信耶穌... ...

& e! b- b4 t' L& J' oRegarding the resurrection....7 q8 A1 _. D( c0 g' G# v6 }

7 C, m  H$ |1 ], ^( dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." b" j" w+ X6 f# k8 E

7 A9 a* v' o# X9 m" J7 j9 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.