Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 N6 n2 r; e  p3 z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) {( U6 t, }/ |# T$ A( b* J4 h' n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: [- R/ d' b  [  W道理我知道好多只係做吳到( J! }5 ^, g/ M, q3 q$ M& F1 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 d4 X" n  C9 O; W/ {* F2 SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 d% J- g, U& V" Z

; ]+ H! b: d5 n% }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! |: E9 x- m0 L2 g4 I& scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: ]* F1 R# [; f1 e( P" F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ O# H# L; |/ `3 M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. v# Z# e! _7 Z1 d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." w" z  I' d9 [- A; ?0 t
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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6 J+ i: T0 w% vJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & d# y, a) J% P

4 W& Y& l4 _  |$ MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ j; x! x( K( h$ r; M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 G$ j! a7 {, H3 ]* Q* S7 yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; D) S1 Q0 T1 E  T. W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......' t2 C) n& O: @& ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( P. G; s" N4 b4 e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". U7 z" o! c( ]& S/ P: x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 J7 i4 o2 w0 x! F/ o  P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 u! ~* X4 p- g# {3 r$ ^7 N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  F. U5 p+ t$ j4 s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% C6 s& m# r% x, g2 c5 a1 S8 n, Y0 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 X; m5 c  a3 g0 k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! k; `. N5 N. z% g
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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/ `4 {2 g* L+ P" ]3 x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( Y& j' D4 D) D9 `. }4 c

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; J( H9 r6 u3 n! x2 M% Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 Y+ J/ p! m6 \/ k( n9 C* e; J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 c; S/ Y$ N/ m1 p' y: j' @$ c: q* V

( ?' ^- Y5 L: U3 }以下是其他人的見解,
# W: g# {' L8 ]1 j) G- c& Z# o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 b$ D- A4 _5 _7 w. H- `5 C* a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ D( V. a8 ^6 B% p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 J& F. v; s- U" l

7 G8 l" h' M& u  |8 S4 ~同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 c. v$ U# s+ r0 o$ R2 P  M9 D.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 x; M) T. ~; t6 {4 Z' E# P
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# O7 s1 z; h% U" T/ E5 M- E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.