Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; W/ K. e0 a" g+ l- ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- U* H. p% h2 p. `- a0 }8 L. INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( }7 I$ r4 n8 m1 J# @2 v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 L$ R  Q' d5 t, m

: t7 P! R9 l+ c+ ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ P, g/ W- e8 F# r  ]# q, l! }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% m4 U8 q. N% T8 E  g( B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 s6 n) f% E& d8 v; v3 D( a因為我是情感比理性強的人( ^: [5 F2 }# }" [# i( o$ n$ m8 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 G* E) }- G; I6 Y7 _5 |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 v$ i  @1 a" v) j' J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., n1 @6 ]! `- o: b2 i; K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* ~' r) N% T: K2 T2 ^3 x1 B: ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 O; z  `) u# E9 ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 z2 I- n6 ~( EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 @  y- k. s6 L! Y: d- K+ k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 M5 E& w8 e/ H* u5 r5 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& q! U9 e: j6 G- b; u"不信也沒損失"! ~* O9 v% F; p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. m/ [) o8 [0 N0 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" f- j4 L% G/ u9 p1 L( B8 yit's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 j; N+ k6 e" y  D- g) m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 c! y0 p, z. j6 l  L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 f& u; j- C: T) D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% |9 W) l6 V; f8 w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: ]1 a; l8 H& w$ B& ^, _) k.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 Z! q* R* z: h' m9 i) H" i( dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.