Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* d& H7 H6 X( ~7 ?7 E我係一個連自己都吳信的人& P' z' s5 d) w, v% y0 p* V+ U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% j8 P; H; M) Z( W道理我知道好多只係做吳到; m- B0 ^$ A8 C' q2 \) a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# t( a9 A/ \# g( i6 ?3 V2 a, CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ u4 H5 _1 Z. y* `' \

% |) T9 A/ d4 Z! e/ |; jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( X1 B# D# e' [' @  S( m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ d* ?  W# X7 ~, e" l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# p. r8 n! t  a, M% f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 G& z0 |/ z* ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 R3 k8 y6 N$ o真的!!這不是反話
) v! l" V( p  I$ j  ?5 R7 ?因為我是情感比理性強的人
  m; ]* w5 T$ S$ L6 ]5 x# q' U' d8 [2 ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 h3 z) n5 ]  r$ w7 s" u2 y0 X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% f: ?8 H9 x( |8 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." w8 N, h1 p4 k' B( p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ I  U+ J( W& _- ~/ J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! H" Z' Y$ S0 z' B, _# g9 ]What a statement we have here?- \% {; I1 s2 U  k" c* ^. n

3 `1 s: e. a" [' D0 fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 C/ C! @/ ~" Y) E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 M# b: N8 c$ A4 [+ v

- t) m$ Y9 p/ i) w' ^! HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 j! U3 I5 x( {5 q. l* v

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 \- T0 u, d) D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* b5 ?5 G: G2 o"不信也沒損失"
0 z* @: P9 u  rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 ^0 \  K9 j- O- I* Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ ~8 _. u" U# ~3 K7 k

" G: O6 E4 R5 d7 d+ Iit's starting because we have sins......
- k& @+ t' N& q) g+ M6 K, Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ ~; }" b: ]8 ], \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' }( o* p7 W3 W* d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," j4 g% W" b, g3 q% ~2 J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 b# p- k! ]* `% b+ w8 X3 a5 J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 e  Z1 M/ X/ R) z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* }* e! Z+ D# y4 L! u  T7 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 P: I" b; x1 g/ E4 f8 I3 Z2 I" S' g
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; {$ ]2 n# M5 ^" g/ x/ K! p7 J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 N0 C2 x  W1 S- q8 j- N; w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 Z+ D5 i& x! u0 v" {$ Q- p6 p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 ]  T  `- Q8 ^8 x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 Q4 B7 q' F# x, Z" b
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# s, J& F3 P* y" S& M% w" N

$ S- l* a4 a& X* h2 T/ |1 M0 g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 f7 e( H: I5 m- w! w信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 g# Z3 r5 u1 c- p4 i7 X8 v" v

4 ~3 N1 c5 R6 V. S以下是其他人的見解,* ~9 e2 V% F+ ]5 \3 e6 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 J/ z/ v+ R0 l! z, P6 L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, U" E' u  V# R  A  K8 ]3 J

5 X7 R+ A. C! X9 x7 J" X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; H3 |+ ~3 F- }- s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ w8 n, a( [7 a2 X& r* p) g! r.............信耶穌... ...

5 X8 _' D- N, W+ ~) L4 vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( t+ z9 o& U7 ~* z0 }, u

" x0 b$ s1 ~0 H% k+ ]1 D0 y8 e8 O2 c+ dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.