Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" w; W0 S3 `' O, G. V0 `
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ r& t. N. k; U: j9 o5 R  @. n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( ]  M* {9 ~& v  k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: M% A; m/ h& I% D( ~& q3 s9 r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' _) T. L. G3 N% s& T4 W7 MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 }% m. @1 s% l& D* k6 Z7 v: C

' l, O4 C0 n% H6 bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. U7 e3 B" o8 \- u$ bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' n( S6 [- B9 n4 F7 }# T  ?" o5 H2 vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 c9 j1 N' y- _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 e. K; d) D, ~7 i7 A& d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 Q; S$ Y3 b( G+ C
真的!!這不是反話& P+ l3 r/ S( ?- ?* q( S6 T! s
因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 _) K7 t9 E6 X* ^  M所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 s. V$ X) n# j" T* R$ i; v. H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 ~0 j2 b% Q9 R- m# ^/ C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 I# ?! q% D8 o6 j7 V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 l+ B9 ^- w, V. B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; V9 [& v3 A6 ^$ b. wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 s0 Q5 U4 L: i2 @* q* r
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 H+ g4 d' l5 t* K" z0 ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"$ n+ m$ z0 R, x. O$ _% d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; j/ k' G% l, z" s+ c9 p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# }* b0 M. t1 r1 n% `

2 N4 e# a! x6 }0 E; P; yit's starting because we have sins......
; K6 u6 `& R1 f, {; G- G& R$ osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , B1 x: X- m" v4 b% n- s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( W5 C" ?5 v. n) b8 A5 Y% u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! x* o: L9 t+ W- N# ~' v+ x' Y- [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 \5 q+ e- i! C; S: e% L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' {2 {) P  u9 g7 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 S( H8 ^4 V+ h* V0 M* Z' h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' C3 e; m& Y, M7 y: a* Z5 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ u# ^( T( l5 N# X. S+ s

  {/ t6 i3 ~, I4 E' A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 Z$ L# l$ b- r4 P9 a5 V# p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 F& c8 s# n5 ^3 p% F/ \3 j
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* {+ s/ M$ i, R& E! e) F3 P

, o( z1 c. g1 }# s  E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! y" i( B" X$ }  Q8 ~; C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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: k' T2 U# Z& O$ l3 z2 C, _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  f8 V( C+ ^# i1 G.............信耶穌... ...

, x) a7 W2 M2 F  oRegarding the resurrection....
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/ \9 ?- k9 I* z9 h3 |; PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.