Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; Z  K( u  f3 h, L: N2 }1 M; B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: E7 [* D& s  E  r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 d. c3 z" h0 Z; l5 l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 b8 ]5 T0 U# Q" G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" j% h; u$ Z. R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 F( S& r" N; X5 U
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% W. Q2 I& x  w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 X" S1 x+ r3 F- x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 ^5 u  o& P* p- g因為我是情感比理性強的人" p  c# ^' J: v
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- }) R/ t* u) H0 z: f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 P4 w. Z7 N0 X% G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; C6 U/ t; Z: e1 J$ \4 j! I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 g+ W* G+ c) ^7 X' QWhat a statement we have here?+ C- I. P/ l& E" e% r# t5 x
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 u2 I2 v7 U4 [8 X3 ~+ G+ X

  v7 i! @5 `; I4 A7 M/ a+ H/ YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ c, ^& m5 F" ?! \5 ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 h! W9 d% w, n, `, b

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) y8 }8 n- m; N0 b5 B" D0 L4 s"不信也沒損失"2 B& J* B/ N! O: Q$ ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& N6 H1 [7 _+ t; u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% ^9 W- i+ j! |/ m7 P
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ u, Q# p! b; B" K& I+ k: W7 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 J# P" R4 R# b8 ?1 z. E- wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". s$ A. H  e2 m; {, w: v9 ?6 S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# J7 H, r( O7 v+ Z! l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 l& p3 Z" ~* O: C1 [( c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% w4 M- B7 Y( x  p+ V9 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 C) t5 W! u3 c/ N/ }+ V, L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& R) I( k6 t7 G" Q4 u8 H- s

, g7 e& R1 Y% N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," O/ r) U7 D0 r4 ?% Q1 Q/ o  P6 J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 q! v+ g6 g+ ~. H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ U, u! x# ~4 q$ Q1 g- Q! Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" R$ P" n; [0 }, C$ s! d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 c9 s! s3 i+ c/ x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& g% A: ]- e1 S9 O5 u2 m
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,* M. s" |& j2 t- y6 ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 h5 w4 L2 O# W, l$ J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm) D7 n$ E! Y) `- I. \& M

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( H) l1 N+ ~3 M- w* S8 i* a/ t

- Y' r) d0 O; z( @; J! G+ J1 O/ N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 `6 s7 V0 k: A0 V4 @

" x# i- I- O! p: N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( m$ U) z8 w( ~# m  h$ B

* h7 ?+ k& \0 m) ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ D1 V5 h0 C; r3 X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! k$ k+ X# R: ^3 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.