Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 O8 ?' V5 [3 S' Q( ?+ }2 `! Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 J& u7 m8 ~/ {; t0 u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& \/ z& ?" d1 W$ P% b2 I1 Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! a, w/ B! ]9 D% G) Q" M5 E  O0 O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( Y2 T# _6 U1 U5 v) O: sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- `4 K4 V' m0 Z" U* d' |8 z  p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." i' k' A7 v9 B5 N- ]8 B6 O- a2 X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 x9 k8 z. z8 ~. D. k$ ~
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... N; z& s  M+ ?; q' I# n1 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" U" x; _* I7 g/ M  n- C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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* K, |) w" A5 s因為我是情感比理性強的人& h8 A3 j. I& v8 u3 q6 i2 \5 X  R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' i% O. [' v# V# p% C5 X' d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# h, F" a" R( b5 L3 r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 W- ]$ b# b: S7 e! U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& L) k3 ?5 d! F- l& e& p/ Q

+ F- {# }1 e+ J0 y  w- @  a" sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 o" J, L) W! ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# L* E& {( ^- Z% O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# w& E( K! l( ?) o+ d. o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ N* ~% j  }- r( K  ~7 d7 {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- N  D% |# ^" s! q  @' K( r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." d2 A$ ]% O5 [
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it's starting because we have sins......  W- ?: s# G! A4 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. Y8 J& r( `! I9 C8 pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# ]4 l/ E6 \! A只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) s0 L9 _! \" s7 Y0 P) r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) J% n' k. q0 N4 ?" D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 @( x8 O7 S+ X+ e/ [) n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ c7 o1 Z8 A9 j0 z9 b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 ~; p1 T1 n5 V. R' ]4 {. M2 r6 ~

% I7 Q6 M* c0 Q, {  O' U, ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ W" B1 u, X) Z( {2 s! e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 y2 N( N& O# Y4 F. G

* ~* _, q, p6 f" L9 z9 q7 h# K$ m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' R+ w: K  [$ F) Y& J5 a( z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 U6 N' P2 ?9 z; w5 _) g9 S! A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 [9 k6 _: @" M6 |, I* S
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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2 N' l& _6 J7 {- h: G以下是其他人的見解,
# i1 w4 `5 c. x: s* v看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! _. g  n6 m. Z- X  B
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' W0 c8 f$ C# y; [: G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: M) d$ d" K& j

: _- I% E6 p1 A: I$ N1 ?# z" M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& n% }5 b+ Q. `+ M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  i) O/ j  F" A1 o! Q.............信耶穌... ...

( S2 s3 X5 j, B. B2 XRegarding the resurrection....9 r; R6 ]1 H. s/ N" G. F

; ?7 W0 @7 S1 Z; xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) t" h# K3 X/ Y" jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.