Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 q/ R+ c' [* u/ E* v. i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
& C& i7 ?2 C8 V+ v/ V+ Z5 i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 d9 d1 p$ s  M5 U3 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到! C* D- k3 t& f4 \6 [# o# ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 k3 u3 W. w8 b$ W% f5 ?4 yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 Z5 f0 k+ G' s2 a# [6 o& e

% c2 P3 t! P: R: Q5 Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' Y; n4 o$ S. r. L. E3 A

% b9 C' `. a+ k! {1 E2 j: \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# x3 y. x, }( i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! ^* K8 Q; m1 F% B' K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 j4 G- `- y+ w& @8 h8 d$ h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& k5 a1 h  _# b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ l1 ]( w! V- C. k2 l5 g& @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! E, Q0 }2 Y4 d  _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& \  f, ]6 R/ s% j* J# |8 I2 z& P

# `0 O+ @% L1 z. F: hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 @3 q' C0 G7 ^* C* f; k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ G+ n+ t0 h, n8 l; Q

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4 u' U  v- p+ g* D[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' _# t: k9 K5 L' g2 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 y9 l5 h6 ]# j$ a) H4 V7 T8 g6 F6 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 @6 i& G1 E( B1 k% E9 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 x/ E& c" O* m: I+ Fit's starting because we have sins....... s$ p" r: n' T6 E  o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" y4 x& P, b1 Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; ^! v1 d# }" Z/ m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( c0 E! D* p9 i1 X3 g$ D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 @/ O1 f4 U% C" E3 w8 k$ Q4 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, L( u0 R4 p, m+ `, g% \5 j; F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 P- G) z9 i0 H4 k& h5 I* \' m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 s$ \- h& `* o- `" @# i* M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* s) I" h3 w" f" D) x' P1 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 o# j% e1 U2 m5 e/ R" x4 k
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: U' K" y3 U$ P* a* A& z- Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: ]* g. Y6 }0 B1 M) D, m! q以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# @# w' S" Y$ n! |

9 R/ z0 r1 E  R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( Q) D- O4 W8 J) c/ [6 m  j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) V& b. s8 b- q# w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 p* j9 F8 v" H5 T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 N+ p' i. ^5 l, c; R, i

. x3 T9 ~! z# a/ `* X  X& BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... t! ~4 H4 S4 D1 D5 Y2 |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.