Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 a5 B, V! v. j- ]/ [) I4 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 ?- Y8 p& ^+ q  v' U' t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ @' F3 T( [8 Q0 y* R

* T- m' c8 q6 J$ I3 pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ h! D8 O9 C& ]+ O/ u1 C- j, j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! _* i3 w8 P4 U6 ^1 d' x
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# z& ]! C( v! `: ?. d: q2 D* j& L  ?. l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# q+ r9 x( `* i" F9 H1 a4 u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 }" G" p" M( F4 R+ t; }' V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! n6 i! S1 [& [" |( n( A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 {9 e) X7 z8 w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  X* e! g4 V  C" n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 B6 M( F! y6 q0 v: y& q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* m8 E4 _5 l: Z7 Z9 \/ d
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ Y  p: C$ I/ y7 C: c

6 [3 \+ N7 z  x/ |/ [, j9 ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 ]; x  B# B/ o2 j, v, G4 N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 S5 r: r) c7 j* z0 l4 U, k: Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 j& M/ C0 \; G( L: h, X"不信也沒損失"
0 Y# v3 W4 A# B7 M& t0 c5 E  U5 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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# w4 Y3 G- t4 q5 C* vit's starting because we have sins......# a4 G$ J; ]; X6 U  ?8 K& v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 \; t! g) B) h; u$ zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- F% R  S( L- B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ o8 S: [$ b: f# w! l9 ~; c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 y& Z1 r/ \1 H2 T; r( W; z  w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# y/ O, G* k6 _5 d# \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- B  j9 i# w/ K  O! N4 @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 t" {/ p) N( _/ k  e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 J' [* K5 ]) s+ J& {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 X$ g+ b% Y* ^8 C5 t

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! I; q# U, N( f0 p; e( i( A- Q  \& d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. s/ Q$ j* G9 X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  O+ q1 M" Z8 m& _; I0 v& L+ {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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' G9 B. X( [  a& ~6 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, i3 F  d& H* ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 g0 N5 N& z6 WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.