Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ u7 F+ b4 w/ q% E& v0 b. X8 p: A" B3 F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# O$ f9 E& l* U5 \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 y# X0 ~1 C4 j6 w2 I" P" t5 A3 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% h( C) X2 V+ H2 b9 z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 q* d6 }3 |& Z0 i6 I8 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 L/ r" d0 S: I1 `; g. \% L2 cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 E: W1 D! z$ z8 f8 O' m6 ^- B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 F" P, B) f: \' J% a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 D+ d. }) j4 f7 K4 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. @' ^+ H9 T5 C+ R+ D9 ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 K# O. ~6 U5 r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" C; I$ u1 P+ W. x- c0 `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 ?3 D, @+ U* r* f4 i# ~* ?6 |9 D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- ^: c% }- ]6 U$ L/ ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. S8 I( }0 `4 p" J, A

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 f  F& M  z% @1 x! M- A5 [" g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, Q1 }, C1 F* w# \. T"不信也沒損失"7 n2 y/ Z8 f1 @) s  j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 H) Y- E9 S; W4 }+ cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ h& m1 K9 a5 d5 s7 W( o4 oit's starting because we have sins......3 B- {( O9 x/ s( N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 w' f8 f# m' f5 d/ Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 n# X. \  S+ [; S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 |; }5 t7 s' _, L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  n9 c) K/ X2 ?) n# x$ N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ @/ S4 y$ H! q/ t- L# |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- V/ X' R6 \8 o

7 r$ ^; f# M3 y. M" u* l# \% G# O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' J) H6 u( q8 Y- v8 K1 I% o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* H: f& J) P1 z8 n3 E! e6 G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, B/ D8 w( {) R6 U' Q  G+ V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  l& R; X' `; R4 M% ^
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% N  C, [0 s, T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 p% P4 h, l6 l' Q( Z$ @6 Z
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# I- W* \, K5 _# o

9 W$ @: I. I# |5 {3 K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 `* k3 I4 G/ M8 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 s" \8 E" s, R  O9 B$ M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# j/ A- N' K% H9 u" z# s! q

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( k: c$ H+ p% w& L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., P$ K8 m  Q% r, X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) b. L4 D  T8 [3 |4 ]7 t

2 Z' z* c# l! @4 _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.