Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: T7 E5 E0 E- I$ H0 @, p" T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* G- q) C" y% H; J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" M% i7 t; N5 {4 D! d道理我知道好多只係做吳到  u. ^8 y& E; {+ D$ }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( Q3 b" {  H! W+ J0 p

7 B4 F: ]/ M; b: ~, MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# m& J$ {2 l$ r6 K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話& @) l: e) I# G9 F) R" x+ Y
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 M) y1 W; I+ B' s* P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  o) V4 `8 F9 {: `% W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ a/ d! B- t) e5 VWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + D) }% m3 @2 z: `$ p5 i9 e- B4 g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 ^0 ]6 j3 c0 E9 H. M7 s9 o3 |

& H' b7 \, O3 zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! `+ Y) W+ t5 g; K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 c8 Q9 R+ f* H3 G- S1 \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
; }, }& m  E5 C5 f0 psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : N$ h' R8 l& a! c) C* P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 N7 a; ]$ j% U6 V, j( }) f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( |/ b3 N8 R0 G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; \3 r, d$ D% T4 V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 O  m( g8 \9 v7 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 _6 D) l0 H7 a* _! G0 T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( ]( ~- {3 n" H1 J1 k1 C7 I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 ]' v: g# l% ]& b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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! J8 H; Z5 w2 O# [/ n. |- k" I4 u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( _5 D9 \! R9 F) t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 l8 j8 X  {0 R7 l8 Y! X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* o0 i$ k- \" Z& T; k; G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 a1 |1 m9 ~6 X9 a8 T4 b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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) G% W& A0 u1 N- y! R以下是其他人的見解,  Z" s0 _+ V9 d/ _6 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& H& D- F5 j6 F3 q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 p1 g. S* G. H8 W8 X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, N4 f" b  a9 J7 ^/ X! ?: F- t

, ]6 h8 ^7 n0 J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 s# M! J9 m& w7 s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 I' b' ?, O# i. o% U2 |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 v1 S+ Z, g0 z. S* G% JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.