Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* T' b' C( a* s" Y1 T/ E我係一個連自己都吳信的人# Q1 I" B1 ]9 t! d/ T, p. }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- ~* }2 w- ~. @- r# b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" j$ G7 ?  l3 Y, @7 H! @8 u呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 a7 a$ B  w+ q- f1 E8 g, T

4 A) H! X, q% P: e/ ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! A6 u- C$ ]) ?  I  x1 p' i) l我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ n9 k/ m  U' y) x: }( A& L! J
真的!!這不是反話/ R- ?3 W5 L" f+ l2 B0 Y$ k. d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ q8 }1 q7 _5 [1 ]# ?0 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  h0 I$ n& G$ H. s$ h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! ], F1 L7 f" }$ w) r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' ?+ @' x$ B; b: b( K5 N8 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ u) D! D7 h7 b! s; r
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 G6 Z- Z: Z7 r  l, u3 g# ?& G+ t8 d% |

) i; l7 H$ @" _0 [- w/ \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# ?2 ~! {% z* Q: L8 V4 E! \

; A# l# V% E' LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ g5 @$ S) \+ {% \"不信也沒損失"
' E( g. O3 H9 V: L+ sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: n* Q1 _) i' Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& R5 l: H* Y5 g* e
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it's starting because we have sins......( R; k) Y& {+ X% i' |! d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 a& j( ~3 j! c9 o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' Q- i0 _6 ]/ s5 \0 t! ^# G% H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 j; V/ S0 _3 r/ c2 d8 @  ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ f3 A' g- n( t) P7 {3 B, k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 w7 z% }7 N9 ?- b% i7 i1 _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 \; m7 o3 d! n. M' ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, i  F/ _! |; h9 ~) V& f7 p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 s3 A7 U: W/ G) r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- P4 B& n  u& R6 ^% i5 y# c/ d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. U5 I" {0 u) Q4 K: x& g# k4 a/ \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* k5 V+ d. @% ~% d" M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,4 u- r7 {; a% g$ e- E3 b$ b) m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ F9 ]. U! A: }
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ E% {# r8 F: w5 b- l& I( U9 A" w

' {( w( \$ Y9 z3 t: a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 p! a+ P, ]& E+ k/ N' c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 |+ v- @9 @* t- Z. B/ e) x

, j# s& D6 E' c# Z% z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& g' Q$ K( \3 F* k3 m
.............信耶穌... ...

  P9 d: w; ?  FRegarding the resurrection....6 N6 `4 g. j; E) j, p. p+ Y6 X

. W! K8 F! B; o8 B; c% z5 i) F$ {Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.