Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 i8 e% b# L  [/ X& m$ s我係一個連自己都吳信的人. S/ A  h- ^* B" V2 d3 P: E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* T0 i$ g, V" F* w7 c道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 U: G( F. G1 _/ V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 n, ]% C( e$ T6 r  f( [+ F/ o/ NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 o1 ^9 N) J, D: M( q6 z

6 H" t% j* \9 C. eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 T# [( U- k9 o1 ^; F: n' [2 \' Z

" \  v+ ?* o; K- Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% j3 h  |0 d" a

4 a- q8 f7 ?) _3 J2 Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; b- d. f" }. s- }" b* B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 h+ K3 n1 ]4 ^& G& }- e2 p2 w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( k5 l, _" g% n& b( d7 t9 K- \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" ]; ]2 t2 i$ H  B; f5 [: v# ^$ v. R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) c7 T* G: W2 G; x, p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 e' u# V/ {/ t% T) ]- Z6 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 h% d& W9 [& J! O3 }- {What a statement we have here?
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6 x) t+ j( L% X2 k6 CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' E9 ]1 B4 o% d+ B1 G$ yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: R8 x/ ^% H. Q8 j* Q0 e: [7 I% m$ kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 l, M% a' G% l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 d1 a; k8 i3 o( L$ W3 i"不信也沒損失"+ R+ D+ _! Y/ `" x) n( u$ H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." p. ?$ d4 o  r: A4 f& ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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5 _- `# }5 D5 v8 _& A3 G2 J3 A( Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% Z1 B9 K& h7 \! b: B% i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! j5 g% S% `4 \( e" c4 {3 k( X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 w/ L# [* w' X  I! I. Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ Z( x! b  o: I5 R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 \8 q: U% w. n1 T; T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 j2 H8 n' e) M1 ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& [1 v) B9 U7 D) y1 Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 \5 q; h0 u, b7 w& j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ T6 T' C. M# P9 v! C, W- V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* {1 n. g8 z) X+ K5 }. G
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 A3 a1 m/ e% \8 N! v# n: _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
0 p2 E" U: ~) B* v9 X7 \3 n- o6 c1 s& m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 ?0 W* C' k- o) V/ T7 r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 `5 n, R- u. ]- B' y9 d; t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# Z: c. R" {1 x% m! |( |: a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" @! P. g1 Q* ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  m( @' S) J! X& B9 W8 |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.