Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; N$ t" ~# l/ ]2 K( q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' P, Y4 f; B! P4 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 |7 a# R) ]+ E: b* c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ L9 P2 T' _% j6 Y: {' M& T( c8 B呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( `* M+ s4 X5 d5 Q/ sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 N6 g" y* y8 h6 \( j4 ?+ T# tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 u4 K+ t4 |+ M: v

2 t3 v5 z# x. s+ i( c2 R/ x5 lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- B. U+ n/ P/ o7 m" b( n( \% e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: I9 z) s" ^; j& \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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" L2 G  N" A* Y, o& _因為我是情感比理性強的人
# \* i" B3 f2 S( r1 _9 I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; R0 q/ i7 Q$ b3 Z# o% D4 N" r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 p0 A0 |# C$ x1 \- a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. Z' T$ C' E6 c; w* l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 p$ U% c: d9 ]1 }2 a5 bWhat a statement we have here?# F$ |/ ~& k& ^$ i& ^: ]3 t

" L- [! ]' `* k8 ~: PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * q" `7 W, H) |7 c, E2 p. j$ B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 Z; O' I8 Y) P: x! l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* E5 L1 W1 v, B8 O( _0 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 U& m4 @( @( R! h* A, c  N5 S: Z"不信也沒損失"
3 N% W7 f' M0 }* Q3 `1 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 \1 [" x; y: i7 a( n, f+ V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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; w. l0 l) R- j( K" M/ u; _9 B* [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ e" G# \0 ~3 D# f0 u7 x. n" g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* |% w; k* t% I4 }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 H  G* I) z- @6 l& }1 ~/ I# ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* r3 i: v7 a+ s# F4 D+ g

- \& y+ y9 ~8 A+ l$ W0 [1 ]6 ^8 G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ J' y( O- j$ E: g" q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 `4 S; D2 n4 o  f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* p; _: Z% p/ M4 j美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 h/ ?& a5 q, v' J# I$ X# V

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) J. b' t! X2 z" n) ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ V" t0 S+ |3 c1 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' r7 d) p; \7 F* e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ P- q2 k0 x$ |( K7 C3 `5 [

$ F3 M; I' I; L& F" B9 x, K/ `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' y) @- C+ W9 ~* K. I4 ]8 k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 a  W$ w1 f) ~" f- _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.