Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" K, F7 w5 x. x& ^9 x3 v. E我係一個連自己都吳信的人! H' F! u1 }. j7 j6 _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: C5 Y* f# n5 D' r道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 J# b" K9 p5 ^  L. k! c& l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) U0 F3 V5 G. ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 w8 `; r% |5 Q% W

* z: f3 K9 P* o3 n; G/ o* n, ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ R6 f8 c& \7 H1 ^$ t, ^1 c; o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 Z! j) J% ^; I3 u& d0 V我只不過微小的基督徒...................* ]1 z. A: N! @+ V& Q" P' @
真的!!這不是反話( y" @* F+ e' Q7 g* j
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 k3 \" n3 @: k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 @# L# q6 k2 z2 I: `4 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) z- Z, t4 ]5 T0 U9 ?* g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" w' R1 c! v. m7 D6 P' ]5 j! N- v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 W5 D; `0 a# c2 r. ]" p" p8 B" _( eWhat a statement we have here?# C, H, W1 u, C9 r- [4 n1 ]

  t4 r+ v- b7 p- V7 t. w  tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 I) S7 R, j) L4 @5 g

1 E# F* E3 f; BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! R/ I! H) `# n' X2 r- e. z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 J4 W6 ^1 W4 \  e"不信也沒損失"2 ?: U/ k0 ]  r# d  e/ q7 |# P; k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 I1 \' j  O7 V0 ~7 o* T5 e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( o. C$ C7 C0 j! _, |2 |it's starting because we have sins......' n7 s6 b( [- i& r$ G* r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 V. ]1 \" ~9 J6 B4 l  `
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 \0 ]* p( e/ x. @: h& G5 {- A4 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  F( p( J1 [( u, i+ v2 _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," j# _! F& }+ u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 c: X& a5 Z5 V1 a% b+ P8 p6 W" T" ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' |5 n+ E" H0 D; U+ |5 |4 M7 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  O; X$ D( m6 F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' m6 ]: H0 V4 A7 f3 f: t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  E4 e% e! S7 E# g

2 ^+ h' j5 c8 L. m& X5 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 t1 u4 o9 `+ O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  O  ~7 ?$ G! n. C* [- `# M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." f1 T1 b% b' A4 w0 V, L1 R6 @
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 N; a( t8 o9 m吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  X" [+ h: {( v/ n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ ]& w0 p' j, J% U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" R6 _/ l2 K5 n2 a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% E* J( P" A$ ?+ v, q: Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ~. d$ x+ Z* v6 f7 s4 i

$ ^' g7 Y' l, e/ G  S+ q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" }2 `* }6 O1 f
.............信耶穌... ...

  S% `; Y9 g5 ?1 k! O' cRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 u4 ~, C7 F* ~" d7 @6 z3 U

$ J- D( v+ Q6 c! f  l7 @( KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.