Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% w& T3 t& W! s$ X* b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- p. F: [8 b6 v2 f* i$ |道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: t# o, C5 S7 y, O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 `8 ^* O, ]4 U* F, U+ e4 NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 O8 m% W3 s9 l3 w. E6 fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 x# k* E+ x0 [1 o! N/ ^, `6 J; \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% o2 S0 t; [4 X5 `. v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  _: y! k2 r5 {  N* S6 c  I0 ?" o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ P& }" i: L; w7 k8 j, z% o, W
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, h8 N* T" _& a6 V: L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?7 ]! }" V4 Y! O: g5 \8 K& {, Y

& E! t( r! F$ _& Z. J0 YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - I( u) z) Z* S" g: g1 w4 [& g9 n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% C" z0 D2 H4 K; m: M7 Y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 t0 p' F9 q6 I. J! l' L; o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 T) z! ?# A1 P; vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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  U, Y# |5 l, v) Pit's starting because we have sins......* V2 W; K$ Z; g& _; ^7 p6 ]6 [4 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 @5 ^# D3 T6 Y5 V' l* P1 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ W3 i. G- \; G: ?/ Y. m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ {7 V0 q4 J+ s; P: p, O$ _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 P& m. d  p' I8 B0 d- K# L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 H& i1 v0 z9 L/ x; I9 I' b' e$ _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, P2 Y7 D  H0 K/ p

1 u* L9 Q7 O! c' w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 i6 z5 o* @0 v2 y" N7 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) h6 `' w9 I0 Y6 ?  F  `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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9 Z6 h0 w" j4 P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 Y+ ]5 z$ y0 Y' x: L: r8 Q# j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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) u% \  J$ C# X4 r+ }- k+ v1 v以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" z2 h, t5 l! k1 Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 L9 ~+ m8 r8 U% a7 G) \4 [+ U1 u7 W
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: @  o7 U; G& C$ z- J: u3 C+ d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....! Q3 ]1 H; C4 b# f( L
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; M% e# R1 k2 G
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.