Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 ^5 A+ P. i( F, P; g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: ]/ B; \, z* \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 l. T3 ^5 T0 c1 S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 X& F% ?* p8 r1 L+ Y# ~, @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% x  Q, F5 C: b, c4 j) XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 {# o' [9 i8 f+ G5 X1 p3 K0 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 P% u; e3 b. j3 \8 S4 C我只不過微小的基督徒...................' ]; X; S. Z  L( r8 K
真的!!這不是反話
5 o- z4 P8 }5 x' s6 V# N因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 Y, Q+ g0 j2 {/ d0 H2 o" B0 Q* s1 ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 ~# ]5 y* m- ~- k( i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: }5 {# m! e+ w4 c- d/ |: k7 k( y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% T$ S7 r3 H, G7 j  G* g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, q5 u  L8 l) r' x( i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ ]  R/ t5 N" O/ m9 d7 u$ V

( p6 f0 ?- d* Y# ?, TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 O% e3 N6 J/ D+ e# @, b2 N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, F( g# D  l3 @3 W4 j/ a"不信也沒損失"
: z' R' b# [2 K0 pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 H0 K8 i8 i0 e  e& Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ [: a/ z& k. t9 Q9 n! q/ Z; kit's starting because we have sins......& E, z1 D- z! E/ A% ]6 b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & j, g# }4 _5 S9 G/ y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; t, p3 W* Z2 v" X- ?) P8 P" }4 V5 o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 q; E/ v0 q1 C. N% i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 c9 M8 p# L1 n# V! u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) O5 }/ a" w- M+ |% k3 s9 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 E' u7 ^( v4 @" ^. H6 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, a6 {3 [# k8 j+ `$ h9 ~, a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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; h4 E3 H7 k) [. O以下是其他人的見解,, P+ s4 ]* c! }5 d9 @% {. O: @& g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ Z7 Q/ W( l2 u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ l% u! O6 D5 y0 T( Z* R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 s6 L& W% d8 _! D" H3 A! H* }* r% F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.