Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! i) g1 ~. A5 n$ L4 v- e: u/ K+ Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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2 q/ ?# R8 o. M7 L# RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: H, t3 D: q* c# z8 M; h; [7 iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 y% h! i8 B- u- ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% x9 m8 S7 Z/ h8 w7 x4 u

; a4 A( t$ i/ r) T3 m* F( rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" @' ?- j. _8 I1 }5 R9 _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 Z! K( D5 I( B: b/ V9 {4 R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 t) E2 f9 t; J; Y
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' O% L  |: V" ~; t; v4 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 r; Z+ t7 }) ^5 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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, L0 E9 ^6 p- L/ QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . q% e% k( w) @8 b- ~
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 [* [  L( v$ c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ A" D' V3 |% `& X. o"不信也沒損失"# L- o7 U  Q4 y1 [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 Y6 c0 n8 A6 t% ~: j. L2 L/ r; s2 y0 }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% f# R# Y7 B0 p! p# J& r4 N! {
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 L' y. ]6 ?: N% Q- C1 w1 k8 o! h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; J2 P3 _" C$ A( |5 |0 D) _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- x( u! v1 z7 y. c2 J" v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 v( M3 p" w2 Y6 Y' P2 n" D! n9 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! G! r7 T% \' ~$ L2 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& g+ u1 l& h7 m+ v& C' o2 Q9 _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ u: h  s' f# i6 |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 q' m7 x; A7 m" @' g& B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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1 \- L+ Y9 R$ A6 ^3 E美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 C7 v; N% d' }6 n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 j  ?( W* u4 O& X  f- q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ Q' ~) P1 \% m0 f& q' g& i. r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" C" k) q9 j  l1 w

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. l6 M: W2 H2 K  w3 W/ I4 H# a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. s* l* ~9 u% }* _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. w8 m; s' W* f* p) A. ~3 r3 u4 N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ `  z; T& I/ f1 q" @
.............信耶穌... ...

8 j- E4 m2 M# y. yRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.