Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& E% [, ~, a+ E9 }我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 A; q6 V- Y/ E0 o- U7 U6 a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" `( ^6 {/ o& S+ Y1 ]. n道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( G: d; [  |  r呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  l1 n$ h' s5 U

& Z$ d" Q; \0 r& z. ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* s* H& D) S  O7 p2 ^; J
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: X0 N0 k7 n1 U+ X; O

  ]9 K/ w6 B% W" z' {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; H8 a* T7 z3 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 y! `! Q6 h( `8 w% L1 ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: M$ T* {1 Y. ]! m6 M
真的!!這不是反話) l/ G4 l' z( l% D! k2 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
; a9 }6 {3 k/ z; D所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 L% _2 z! p1 S" @# S9 Y4 N: M! t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 o/ D  z# i% h* T& s4 ~3 c2 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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1 Y8 l* j& }% e  x" R$ G$ gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ j; n$ A& i" w7 a. V

, w. {3 n( Y5 H8 m; j9 a7 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 l% s* Y: C2 pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; d3 e. A; L  {: ]3 k  e2 Q& D
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
! I& u; Q5 h' ?/ t7 S  lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 Z) F# R3 a4 D5 H" w- n3 Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" F% x5 Z; e7 Y+ N: T+ z: dit's starting because we have sins......& W& I7 n+ z: C% y: K) S! P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " l5 s- I8 h7 e( l4 N4 a& s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 ^6 u! z- H2 S2 t8 `# d" C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 l* `6 d% r/ e* a% G0 a6 G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% y* B. E0 z  K0 w9 S  ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) M& |  L, N( I+ j5 _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 s8 L; B5 M. d* _. C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 O) h( G  L, W+ w9 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# g. O' [. ?* \1 D$ {. w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" ]$ U+ T  r: s/ @. @# p改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& b9 [: p0 @3 z. e$ K美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 N% O4 P$ N0 {9 p) Z* Q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# l! D% j) r* e1 Z# H1 \! `4 y! a+ o信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" A' @# }2 [% Q# p& a以下是其他人的見解,
" T8 L- D+ O/ Y) P- Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ ~: e; W' m$ p& ^: I! e. ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 N4 F5 \! t, Z7 }# k$ c! t

2 ~- w- i0 o1 `" W4 ~, [$ X5 _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. t0 ^2 n$ |; B! Y" w
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 C0 \0 d  }/ A2 E! A' W2 u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 I/ G5 p2 p9 A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- ~) ^4 A6 ]7 {1 L.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 P$ M5 n9 O2 D; S5 y3 A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.