Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! z7 U2 c  H9 Q& x% ]. V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 m: D$ u* x7 }& m8 }* q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- F1 s; J* c/ ~, L( h道理我知道好多只係做吳到! i9 P  f8 c$ @3 E1 M- G7 S3 _  R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  ^/ t; x) f9 e; S; G8 R, J) zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ z- e: m% a9 N1 O3 {7 z) zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  [( n* r* M# L& d( }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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2 u% d6 V' j4 s因為我是情感比理性強的人8 Y( l/ W/ D4 V/ L! I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 @% Y7 ^5 y! Y# B9 T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 ~  v; M4 w0 `9 J2 Z( g( K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 B% \" m2 r+ c1 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 a) ^, h- u7 N* j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 V6 r  B! Y& X' ~# m4 g9 R

& ?+ m1 a6 j$ r# eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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! {9 L4 N. u" Q3 z2 `0 Y"不信也沒損失"0 I& _4 f& ~* l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* ]- d! Z4 _! V  f* p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
) U- p$ R* D8 g5 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! b$ @) V5 M% z% mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 e: l. _! H+ N% k( r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( o& r% D  B1 u/ D" h( r* B% u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ {/ [$ {4 T- W' s
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 l0 B- B9 v  R, a( u* U- |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 X) A) ~, I3 ~4 M! r, `

2 B9 U+ [9 F! c" ~& V, y8 B0 x. W# ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 b" _/ S' z# |" U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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7 m% K  l# J8 M$ s# Y4 w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; r) q% A$ K6 s4 d信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," e: H/ K& C) g; s* v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ p* F. G1 @- c0 X
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" G+ e8 t. A) p* y% D
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 K5 |. M+ T( R.............信耶穌... ...

+ G, m- }6 f. ^$ R! [; URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- P# T' q6 C' y& }3 i, l! ]; F7 }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.