Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% i6 v8 m9 p. A% r2 a& H' J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ j( {+ H  h* |, F: K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 k& n1 _( v1 F7 {) ^, `4 Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, H1 e1 P$ n  n3 y% [! a$ R" m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# u5 d( V7 J# I: h

/ P) d1 q; [4 }+ @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 k7 b6 w9 B2 P; H; ~
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 V% D  b$ f7 P" N! N& x! m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 B( q3 D$ ?5 B/ j0 E( E# W我只不過微小的基督徒...................  v  Q  z  w9 ^5 s7 G) C
真的!!這不是反話
8 T9 X* Y/ @/ J6 g8 j" |+ ]* U因為我是情感比理性強的人7 H8 \8 D% t* ^) M5 Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- Z  R: w5 H! N( C. R2 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 L* w5 u* G" ^/ a) U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 K: \- x& r+ u2 b9 n( B5 _, K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- @9 W8 S2 L6 B4 x' Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* p& d! ^9 t  R1 W9 L7 z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., o4 ]$ E( J! t; X
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& f  r, L+ w* X5 Z* g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 V/ X% D( T" r" I& q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 E3 X: h( ^0 E, Z' DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 v" a4 E" a' ^( s/ v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ |& g0 r3 G9 W; f& _. ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( m! \) a6 a2 m/ {- P, m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 g$ e; G' y% Y+ O1 Y5 h6 r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% S/ w8 i0 G# [. Z& G# B. H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 ]/ R1 P( @# f: K7 z7 V$ z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% w; Q) k0 `5 e$ K" ~4 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* C) k% _% ]1 a8 M6 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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  I0 o# S( W4 q* h' n- }8 n4 \+ G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( G- i$ Z6 Q- n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% M; M* Y- h2 R  p  G7 i

4 a/ U. A9 _: M. o$ Y6 u6 ^以下是其他人的見解,# W  O4 B" s6 e( J+ S" d+ C7 A  }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 b) ^2 Q5 }+ x1 R7 P
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ ]$ c  d& `, [$ \$ O

3 I: k6 q( [, k9 ~7 b" K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% f; y8 a, r5 B6 u4 X5 `' G

- M  ~' }# p# W: N9 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 @! Z0 J) D" i# @. H
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 x3 Z1 f- m( I2 [& n
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% c) j% P/ V# P4 z, M, X

$ W( h: R; ~2 h& R+ H( d1 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.