Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 Q. p; b# ?5 T0 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 h' i7 q; A3 [  M  A- [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ S# @" S' X7 o" j4 G4 m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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  w+ D3 d( K1 Z! P9 T$ H( RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 `) b- T" t5 n' umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( F! {& j8 g1 D9 d$ r

  `* b7 g2 X+ c0 u1 V3 Y% Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  B  l* ?" W& k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- p1 Z+ s( L& _; Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) _. H' P- f- C! K
真的!!這不是反話, o6 M; M9 L4 D9 i( X! K2 U7 h$ x
因為我是情感比理性強的人" l. x1 g/ f" N' G# K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; |% ]% }$ f( V/ h, o% |! [- }* m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! l/ [; U* K  J+ N( [' F* f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( ~' ]3 s- U4 p  Q* `; r1 A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! o; {. a3 Q( y7 J! a3 |+ O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ]+ x1 T/ O( i% \: M0 Z$ ?What a statement we have here?
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% r3 k" E+ t& c* T1 S  OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' ]' k" {; w# v/ YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 \6 j9 X1 J% i/ u: ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 S5 L2 v; n  X+ G: O& d( \- ]"不信也沒損失"
4 H$ g" X; f- N% eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 x% a6 Y" F+ S. ]4 w! |& {3 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ t) \( _! e1 \  [& w: I# G2 d

- l  R, n7 Q+ B" s3 X1 {it's starting because we have sins......7 p! f* I$ L' t: J. k; ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; s4 c1 l7 U$ {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% \7 Y6 g! i9 {* z# ~0 E! y, y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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2 l* A( D+ a- R2 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& n& r- M, \5 s5 o/ j8 M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* K% c. k( M+ F+ `: ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 U2 T( a1 w9 L3 t# B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- y. t6 o- s: r# z" D# ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( M* e5 C) Y, u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ u) o& ]5 \8 q: j
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以下是其他人的見解,) R2 Q' l8 s" n- M9 O' S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* \- V1 C% F+ r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 J8 H* N- ~; t" D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 H1 Y5 [  }1 E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 K( R; V# C7 ?$ k

7 \" M$ |) @% Q! E- i  l+ R; c' e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ {6 y# v/ Y- f.............信耶穌... ...

6 @! m3 v. {) g; zRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 P& y/ \6 ?* p# j& z+ |/ d
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.