Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' M' ]% M  T9 D5 A* h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
& V) B8 q9 D2 \& \- d" r8 ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: u) I3 e# T; x% v$ C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' i  b6 }: O  D3 i. J0 w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' [$ m5 H2 z. k& J* N! Y* o# Y( lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! k) `8 ^- v( r5 x+ L" sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." E- s  x) }- |' w* d9 n# u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' {& B% y. [4 A% e0 dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' ^+ r- X8 L5 }: L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- p9 L6 Z* ^, M5 y0 @+ t
真的!!這不是反話
4 I" |. q9 g; e* C6 ]/ ]/ G因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 {! j) t$ J0 o, r* a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 b/ i3 ~# \! n7 p) d  W" }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 s! L2 |. g) B( s; K9 \- U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) J& ~1 s3 J/ l: r& z; {1 \$ \& o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% n( `" A6 V- h1 G! k0 h; u2 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 N4 p5 ^* `# z0 x+ GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / H. q1 g5 t% v4 K

) I( z  C6 k* u7 P& ]- vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 h$ T) Y) r; b& J/ D" {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ {) ?! L: b% ^  i
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( R- O& b$ v$ z0 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- Y! V  t: d' R, l' X- |4 m. a, UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! t4 @' n7 V* R! H$ C( c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ e% ~2 [9 c9 _& \& j8 m: ?1 I8 y+ Rit's starting because we have sins......
" q1 r4 w  F0 _) k9 _9 w$ Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 |4 g* y4 S  c6 V& z& Z( L3 _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 e. I9 M' {! H$ h( O( y8 I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 g) [. {9 V! g, C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; {9 _. u3 R- K: u- f5 x# D4 G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ K& L* v/ W8 X! g# r" _5 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& D3 B) t" u1 C6 c' `) A! n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' G* K+ M2 Q5 b9 b5 c+ i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* L" N5 J8 D) T, V1 D; y4 s2 @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 M- p6 R4 t5 S7 s  c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) N  c. ^6 u6 a5 V9 t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ O3 w; d- p4 \# H. D- n4 Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 z9 f7 g) B; }" @- M/ _2 R; v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' Z/ o; i$ z+ g; d& k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 Y7 s# V$ a4 d( ]

" Q* Q: S2 x) g, b& P) O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& _+ r6 o. `; p& o+ i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 G1 X6 o* I! o/ ^6 b! g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 H+ G5 I4 K8 ?' y. x. @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& N9 M5 H' u! Y/ Q  @! eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 q& a6 f0 X+ T; Y6 WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.