Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 [+ e  J$ j* i; |6 w" Z+ f我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 _* V1 _4 G% {3 o' n3 ?* g: l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 @9 K0 m6 a: x' S+ J! C  {道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 T" O9 j8 Y3 R+ b, T4 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ S. Z; \% A7 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- k/ I$ }4 c7 f0 Y" U7 QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ U, C4 X1 y; Y# V- jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# n: [( W; S/ L, d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% S9 K  y( o' T" U4 K* @8 p我只不過微小的基督徒...................# m& U% [, O$ O. P: q/ @
真的!!這不是反話  G/ h1 V7 h. [0 X
因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 H& n# g/ s" _% T1 L. W( P! i* F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' B; }, z" L1 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ }! P0 k' ^! H5 c0 J  Q8 D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) R# {4 A, c5 c+ q8 L) W2 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- }+ [2 K" Y! T1 U9 ?

6 A/ x0 G! J3 q! m, G2 pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # T0 \# O# U- e$ P* t+ ]* i) k
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; \4 ?" E. T' Z5 i. MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 v! q) u. O% i0 F5 \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! M3 H; H1 D6 k) e- P2 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" E+ q" Z( W, ?& f8 |  L) Q, U"不信也沒損失"
' v+ a5 K, W' C, H9 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., q3 H: G. Y# {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., f$ q4 m: {- U

2 c9 z  O. |  c! d/ Kit's starting because we have sins......$ G/ |0 w$ o* c' B4 F( X5 Z* t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 r0 L( `9 _: {  @& j/ N. Y' C8 Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ w% z5 a7 x! y+ ^/ f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 V3 [# n5 L6 A  O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 t2 q$ [1 N' m6 A6 {! J, U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' c  v# B. o) g6 }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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- {# |- ]& F, J1 w  ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 `/ T! Q3 g7 ?5 k& E/ ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ T/ x" r: s' \  P8 ~( M: Q/ N. {% f, E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 n: P% f, A/ a- @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ s+ _1 u# `2 v% P" s+ u: c0 S; t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- I! Z! z" t; c

& U, G3 Q7 Q# E; f# J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! e- e1 X% y: B0 |4 d* V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, g1 S; U" w# |+ [8 Y  u
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( J( C7 I2 o1 Z* u; D2 Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! d2 {: s6 L' M1 [- T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ Q* }* o2 P5 j  J$ s
.............信耶穌... ...

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8 X  o9 B2 x4 ]- j! s7 m7 mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 G6 R* S" [! T5 X0 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.