Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; L5 j! ?  B4 }- K1 m7 i道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 X, I& J7 U2 o& N: DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 n) ~; `5 q- Z7 U: T7 ]: smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... I% E- O8 T) O
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% B' b7 b0 J% v" [( z( f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 ?6 x9 u& E; k2 {8 J0 [
真的!!這不是反話) c6 E6 }! `, k. S( ^( J0 A" T
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 Q/ G  v7 ~- }& a/ Q# L# \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 N/ E) z! c7 I8 [5 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& c! a7 ~, s: g( |* y* K' E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 C/ u# H2 D1 e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . Z6 g$ K" @4 a6 r

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 P8 ?, K: d" X- J
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 k' L8 z, Z/ e( x1 r5 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 }1 c( U0 D& r( J# w; m"不信也沒損失"8 l$ L0 W# Z& }$ P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 ]& ~2 J5 J4 m: b+ Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 g6 O* I3 ^- F6 a) G4 Kit's starting because we have sins......+ ]# n% j3 K  g; h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" S: X  L5 B* t6 b! [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! q* d5 [6 d! p6 @! l  {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 M; H+ F" y) {* }% O  [/ s( M1 ~# ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: g5 p9 m2 o8 @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! Y1 ~# g! H% ^

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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9 @$ X/ L' B/ ~/ }* ?以下是其他人的見解,
6 x, F1 ~# A! C- X5 l看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" ^0 }7 X. E( r- O1 E
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 e+ ~; n, [0 F4 v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ y0 S1 q6 [$ U! ]. [( }
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% i9 M7 y# ^1 a
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 H& _* c# Q+ E6 g2 P& n* b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, h! P7 a2 F0 z& nActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.