Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ ?. \4 h% I' J/ \; }- r- {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( d9 z7 Y! ~2 H  h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; {$ d3 |1 I# [6 D5 ~4 S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 w+ m7 m5 `" {: g( D3 i4 B1 M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! R9 g. A. d0 s) R  XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# x9 \+ r! W- c0 v7 i+ c

; t+ b( v& M, D0 ]6 }6 u& ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& S; n* Q! f! A' G7 q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( U" U  P' z& r% H7 ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 W! [& c9 _$ D2 J我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ J5 `/ V6 z) ]% x0 w
真的!!這不是反話3 |$ R' f2 z/ O4 h7 F0 c8 K; l5 u8 R
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 w  _( f: [6 i% _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& D  V3 U& a6 J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 O  c- b6 N& C! n2 b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 A9 L% W/ z* ^( B; W* q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( Y( w. I2 \5 e8 H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" c4 F) z$ c3 ~

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ l- h+ d) A: d) h0 u9 z' }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 [& X( A; y# I6 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 _' H3 P" \& j) H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. i. x) e. Y0 x* A% q3 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% ?3 G* ~. Y1 q' x) n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" U/ `) R; Y! l3 C* x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 b0 |! k: t, k* B( o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 z- }2 W( _& Z/ `8 Q2 k- x% N9 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ x3 h1 n1 J4 f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 Y* ~. N" E( {# [0 e5 J) T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, `. ?% `3 W. h% |) T* I1 x

; L% @0 q4 m- M( W* l% r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 L" o: U" v' d+ R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" Y% v; o: R# X+ y. M2 r( a" l
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- u1 B- o' h( ^9 k' o9 B9 f# E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! W) m! _  Y8 Z- e# U

+ F4 T1 j% P( S8 J7 L2 _. X% i( SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 y$ Y4 `* d6 z' a1 g0 K# x  N- f$ h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.