Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 X+ H$ n. C$ T- F我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 C; k- L; _6 hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ U; X! z* g2 {6 c0 _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... o4 e! h8 L+ E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 a8 U" n# s! \$ `

  D% l3 v& \( _5 S  i5 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; a. \5 B, ^: _0 I& s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話( q2 A3 y4 M1 ~6 _' t' t1 i) D
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' G7 J  r/ N2 p" Y6 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" i+ \+ M. _, q( G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  k3 I5 d% M! W7 J; }What a statement we have here?! S9 b: @% B1 K, J& {; G; F7 i

) Q; M( r# c9 x+ u# EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 Y+ C7 w3 F* ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"( m; q0 l+ B& s$ z9 p$ O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 X  u* ?+ i0 N$ k- n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ O! y6 E9 M; F. g- H, S5 eit's starting because we have sins......
3 |5 S, f# R" w/ L$ `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' C4 z$ q1 c5 Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": z& _+ ?1 {# c/ j' O  |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 N& I! ^# K* h0 M" i) @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  c7 N6 }3 m6 V1 j: M* o. u# L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. s0 W& Q1 L7 _6 Z' @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 l8 g: l, G+ a6 f6 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; q$ s% g* @+ T# s8 t( K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# d9 {0 {" I# Z5 o5 u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 L" e- e3 c/ Q. k3 r. T
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 ?6 n/ `$ E) Z' ], m* |1 ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) t( x) S9 l$ w% \  \, r. F8 |8 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) {& n( B  @1 }, m/ H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ Q6 z! @  G* K8 Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# i' H; p1 ^$ `6 R( r0 n. ~/ xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.