Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; |* o6 R) @7 c: _+ t2 p4 `* p1 I1 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) L! d* B8 W* P% r# _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- k6 \, {& R& s3 T
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ Z& L3 H/ Q6 p) f! @& f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! W- D9 q! H1 M  @4 O: m5 N) X' i/ _  ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 U9 {9 }3 J8 l. b) L* ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 K( P! u1 A9 g% E

) t  r' ^+ o5 B' ]% m- Y9 Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ U, n% x0 v7 c! }9 j& Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: ^  ]! f+ E- A) U. q& i8 A& _( S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ V( B' i2 t) s/ g9 v4 Y6 J3 J我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 N: }* r1 C$ `$ j真的!!這不是反話
# R  g: I8 f6 j' e' g& \因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) N' Z! t' J6 @) B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& f  C- }0 {( }: F. T3 h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' H9 R& r/ L# AWhat a statement we have here?
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  t# f$ @, A$ p0 e; v# a2 iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , r; E8 R% _! J' N( f
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- J& J% _* E; |. f1 |

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"% L  X6 L' G& l( b' N8 q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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+ x/ |; W, M0 Tit's starting because we have sins......( g& [1 e( l% H( W! }( L/ I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 F% Q1 g& }- b2 `. ~' \) D9 _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 x  o0 X2 e. y0 l( n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 f6 R7 H6 K. S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 S! n6 C0 N* e0 F& s8 I/ l  `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 W' t6 W8 C8 M; `3 H. V$ Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 K$ l& h# f+ R) Q# t' V) _4 J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 @+ V# J7 G+ t( `9 H* y- A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 }# ^) a2 \+ g7 V" m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& [3 W) j# M; Q$ l# q, l, w' T
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 d) B/ L" O$ Q, i2 g# X0 c5 r0 F宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: L3 i3 c  k1 N2 k* D- V# n/ B" W6 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( m: R* R4 |$ q% H1 m  W) k9 m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 f7 c9 ]' y6 f  M& [6 X7 H; d

5 r4 ?  l# _. S3 l5 h' s. f/ c' G以下是其他人的見解,
) F9 P8 y- Z* Y9 ?: U( |& R( m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 x  z  ~" R0 N9 w% Q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  A4 F- f$ h( J. Q' b
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 h2 K$ Z& Z: o/ y$ L, G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) w" M. k2 ~' r. g+ r& A) g  D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 W  I6 @  X. m9 M$ |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.