Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 E$ ]: i- K( x" w  z8 }我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 w/ g3 M( U/ l8 U# I6 F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: P- v# `1 r) D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- I8 h, K$ e* Y8 p3 h) UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ m- |( ^' R. gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) b2 V3 i9 C/ U+ g' H7 R

5 j9 f% L% `2 i2 Z, r' ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 l5 _9 B" e" u我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 k$ d7 ]2 `! U0 X: _/ ]# O  t$ B
真的!!這不是反話0 Z5 J0 e# W; G
因為我是情感比理性強的人+ }0 c& H+ a; K# I! n4 n  e9 f3 O, e
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, ?3 b8 Z1 K+ W' t# t7 x0 \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' q: M% k* m9 Q, \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 ^' v& j5 R% N. D9 R# Q+ }* |) wWhat a statement we have here?' K! S- {5 H  X( t$ I

' U) k# G* B& t( h! `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 q, Y: V* ?% q& l: k( c- LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% f/ f2 Q: A4 i2 A: Z, I# C
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# U' z! T, |/ j* ?- g& n: j) \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 j7 f) |8 [3 o; `  o! t"不信也沒損失"- \$ A" S! [$ {8 ~  R6 L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' u6 F* H* d( `7 i4 [. v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
# P) u+ c$ Y0 e/ v$ E+ v* h% p2 }4 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 f. k, d. Z7 v# y/ j- `& Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 k. s8 s. n* a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% G$ @7 P2 P1 e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' R. t# M* Q# |" x( R) ^( G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 Q3 Z8 R9 ^/ }! ?! `4 `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, n6 e! ]) M& Z7 f, b7 u8 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 Z; i* o7 K1 I4 T8 d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# A( M5 Y4 `& a8 o7 @7 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," ~# n  v! D4 T" V8 Z( ~* c
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& h" b* D* j! ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! J  K; t' h$ p! O; a  |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ u. `8 k6 k- R, E' Y8 K8 \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 v" t# O) G2 `1 l2 q7 Z9 A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! q, [! I% @  {; _  k. K: m6 G1 ]2 G8 }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: `" s1 C  ^+ e9 y# o6 I8 g# w8 r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: z0 x) t7 U2 Q& j4 S4 i

& U9 g& a  J0 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 _# ?% d+ U) j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) f. n$ p0 C3 W- l) c/ z

: a( E& e. u' ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( R4 E' x4 t; h: S  ~同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 e+ x1 T: L/ E3 d# V0 R
.............信耶穌... ...

$ K. q- `8 e6 jRegarding the resurrection....! o. t4 A3 L' N

  t8 o* b, l: v5 IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' m. e8 P& X/ r6 b  K

8 R1 i% [7 ~7 D4 V6 y, E* v1 wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.