Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ W% P! f; O8 k4 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: b' b7 Z3 Y* u0 v/ G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' D6 w, O" l6 p# u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& o% d; {/ T+ _$ X. Y! `) e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% c0 P7 I& h* L4 s- ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ a( D  a$ C  J/ b8 R5 @
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 Q$ s" @* m& W' B; a2 g

5 X; c! B$ I- W7 Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 j/ l! X& s2 J/ K. ]: Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ h% r8 B& {7 j. X+ H: y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ Y+ ^5 d" |2 S6 [% b4 g9 E我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ V* y3 g! f3 B3 Z1 S" O/ {. V
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; j; j9 c( ^  [- }) F& d- e8 R7 [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: U, v$ o$ A. N. I, f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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% P2 g& t9 R. E, P" hWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! ^7 C5 m2 g6 R5 _; t

/ `, m: L* }& K! k% eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% R% U8 w" k1 {* N+ {) O0 R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' |1 T9 Z4 o  _) `$ {: i0 q9 X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ^5 `, T" l4 ?. w* d* ^4 ^"不信也沒損失"$ U& X1 G6 a7 E' x5 U! u% Y' G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# v7 G6 ]5 R4 q$ l) J* F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 k; m( G% m$ A8 D8 ]9 P1 N  d8 t/ M3 D: \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 X7 Y2 X" r1 R' u# x0 [* mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; g# ~0 B5 P2 {  e( l% n/ Z$ m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# V) Z' o1 t# ]9 s- C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% ^3 H. `) ~2 L( Y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 s7 a' \% y- V; r% X+ B  b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 w( S' N4 U( L2 S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 p& H  B! d0 _, b: |! o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ E2 X4 e, H+ \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( G. h1 ?2 {  m  Q& W( I. x

& S. f  r: w' ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 d9 u2 l- ~( w( o" o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* u0 W. Z9 X, ~4 r2 f! R, |* V5 F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 w# e$ A9 j( p% C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 o, h' D& u5 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 o! K! j, w* s' @7 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 ]" L4 F2 }1 S  J, E9 j  s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 v4 T& j; t8 L" |7 b, g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! d9 x* d/ F7 y$ @: t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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* G3 \0 j! s$ d& C同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ X" ]3 C3 w% X6 ~; a% ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& a4 I6 w: O( {: nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.