Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* _+ f' O* `# w我係一個連自己都吳信的人# U* [6 r0 E% U, K# z+ S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ l+ Y/ ^9 ^& n! d; l' v* Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( ]6 J% k8 V9 A  h3 r! u) Z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  @  M8 P% ^- _( A, ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ _& |* {' O; i8 h5 R. V

6 A4 c; [/ Z5 K- J3 j( MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 Q6 }+ O4 E1 {) g
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' ~$ v6 t; _7 t% L1 y# \  Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ Z; c7 a4 T6 b0 P% j) q0 J4 Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. j1 s) R/ ^5 Z. X) H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 E! T3 b! V$ A/ x. q因為我是情感比理性強的人
; u, F8 f) X( G4 U. R7 A! D) o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 R0 `" T$ Z; r7 ^( E" W0 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 h- E+ J4 T! a% P2 T2 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 G5 y6 {$ R- h+ OWhat a statement we have here?, q5 @0 j- A& u! `  c5 e- {# X8 Q

# R8 U& L  L2 @) rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ y; C1 t' [6 _+ o* P. N

2 f. p& _( H5 y$ g+ @7 `/ l3 `& MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* W# ]% R0 B7 c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 l8 ]& n' Q3 z/ u3 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 u' X/ `7 |7 \$ [# V8 d% `3 D"不信也沒損失"
# k! k1 t* P- V) @, v  FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# L* P& y! S1 z9 O  S; C* m: K( wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 Z/ A4 D3 p% ^/ x6 }- j) Bit's starting because we have sins....../ j( `6 i) }7 H- g& p' V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 e+ B' g& F7 ?  L9 a5 ]2 S6 I. T# _9 r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 \5 U5 ]* g- a; x' F% V4 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' \. p' _4 o) _0 `+ l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( Q( w7 R8 h1 Y! f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! ~) P+ ]6 z7 `: _4 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; J- v) J0 g; g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- S7 a; {# F& ~4 _* k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 k2 a: x- J: ?4 @: h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ u# |8 z' u6 C8 y; K& _' g. G

/ Z+ b8 d" L" w$ f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; Z' l' d% K5 I1 S. B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 y, K& ^+ s7 y3 @* A7 u* V( F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ F! g+ H, t  W$ P2 Y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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- s3 Y. a: M- B% m* V4 }" h7 A7 F以下是其他人的見解,
2 g3 _  U/ m9 t$ j5 s6 [. M. D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: r  Q1 O/ N1 L  Y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 e  @& }/ V+ A. ]( S
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ G+ _4 N5 L6 _  H) b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- ^/ z, W7 {4 U0 Y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! c% [9 E$ T" W# z6 z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.