Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 C% }* T' y7 M% l& d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( E* Q% L: o- R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" E# c, r" i) Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到) ^5 K+ A- S6 K7 ]( i$ Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* r7 G8 s# J, L, a+ k' e- ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ y6 B# M- X! ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; K6 ]7 U3 n  v8 B1 j7 Q. ?+ r- R0 R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, N4 E( g" E$ J5 zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ t8 ]  G$ [! p* ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; ?$ P6 z# l# ]' d5 o9 F真的!!這不是反話
" q" _, S4 R! m; ], W因為我是情感比理性強的人/ H9 Z! g+ U0 Q9 d. E$ S; f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 ]$ K3 M$ z* f0 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 P9 o; n" w% Y3 t; F" i- b, G* B! v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 _/ y6 y/ R$ \4 N' @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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( ?  j5 _$ m& W4 p3 G% K1 b" @What a statement we have here?  F0 [( X% h- {9 N
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 |9 I/ L6 {( I3 O& {' R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- [% p1 D1 x5 G1 H  E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- O6 O6 L9 m2 I

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, o" r/ @) m8 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ ^. I. w4 h0 t. j"不信也沒損失"3 l7 I1 P8 b: F2 t9 F1 g  L" ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 W  ]; G( S1 A* h8 [2 _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 K9 j$ Q, ]- }2 g% B$ r
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it's starting because we have sins......* \9 w$ \' l. b7 E8 F# N+ A4 V7 ?+ c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & t' j8 K3 B  c9 R) k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" p- w- v( L) C1 y3 c4 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: q! v1 x" Q, f' M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( E$ l7 b/ W9 C& F3 y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 g: O! V6 O1 _6 V" V, Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) a; U6 W( }' B: B5 E7 X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; ?# V. E3 z! J& D2 n8 }! k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 W- k% J  B7 C3 F" O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& R4 x1 F$ n4 [' N  E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 Z, C! s* _$ [3 e  v. U: |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& {. E7 N- |- m

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 V, x3 u$ S2 E" e) l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 X% ?- F2 ~+ \# T" w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 B) S6 R& ]# |( K* T" s- K
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. b& F- K) d; r7 s. G. H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 I$ d8 q  ~# b5 R% `: Q# w6 m

( \; P: t, C& U6 i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 \0 q) o% D, M4 t. [同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 r% g6 b  @# r# p
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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; U1 R. w, P% u( P  bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 e. g  W( V2 M, m: F+ m& t; g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.