Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% Y0 [0 V- H  [* w7 w我係一個連自己都吳信的人! W3 f8 `2 \2 `2 M% |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: R, a+ _% q1 t道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 v, E- D) C' {; N9 D$ i1 q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" x9 _0 r& ]* @# xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 a7 N6 u( z4 u% N3 @+ P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... ]! s5 A5 u. |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 L2 H% E$ K  b, sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, }) ?0 ^0 [2 P9 w1 O, e- p( ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" f7 A) m5 S5 Q# G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人* C9 z, S9 v  ?+ {3 I# F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, P  F7 ~. R0 A3 ?% z9 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 y9 I) X& ?3 N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ r! X2 X( d% ]; p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' }3 K' A' \9 Z8 c: E6 F  pWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; z4 M+ O$ a: D3 R' _
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 G  k4 _' ~# K: U

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& f" H& n4 c2 f  u: i! K5 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 W" u& S8 r2 }) v8 `"不信也沒損失"
" Y- D! z6 r8 t  IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* G( i9 l. ~4 v! r( Z  abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ @  G5 ?- ^* _6 v" Y6 Z
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it's starting because we have sins......6 W) {3 J) `% q5 Y3 P) b- A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( n' Y- |) U* i' \; D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" }8 v1 |$ l/ S" S( `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( V; N$ v+ R" V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' j: j% M6 u; K5 l9 U! T3 w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ Z$ ~" R% ]& q5 n2 s0 c1 I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 X$ a# f) @8 X$ i/ V) s; U

+ a6 D: J: x* [8 b4 L0 y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ M4 r, }( B( }8 o& _' G  t' L4 }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* q. V6 p6 Q) a; J' _% B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 Y  J* e1 Q3 |) m3 c& m
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) J$ G* E8 l+ c; L% Q& Z9 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% ~0 O$ E' t( B: Y1 T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. l' \1 _& ]) k7 l+ V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. H2 a6 W/ ?) z* W% d& m

& d3 F) S0 U2 z+ \$ z7 K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' z3 ^! ]) O. g' G' v/ A

" P9 `) y0 W& _! H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- v' L* A! B' z, C& `
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! h+ M* e& q- _- V& P! |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.