Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 o+ L% O7 a" k1 P* z9 B我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 V- ?$ K& |* t/ q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 v# `& D  u$ S2 o
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 o; K. b$ f2 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 p' v6 i: [0 a2 M5 o" j1 T6 DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 f1 s2 k. j! ^

# h9 V7 ^; d6 \! O1 Q7 E$ w! e  N6 xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, _8 I+ W/ Q. l4 X9 k5 }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 R' N3 O5 E, Q6 V( D' {! z

& [3 J" C2 E& zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... |" {4 P0 ~, t9 X( K+ G4 w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" m4 H# P% |6 r, r8 g; ?4 B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 X/ Z! `. Y) m7 D4 r3 W! p真的!!這不是反話. N# o! r/ [5 s) W  o' _' p
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 M- ?& U- B$ ^- I* Q6 R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% [- u0 T. i- O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* W% F* k4 G% a; p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& O) @# Y- y" c- H3 n5 k7 c9 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! V" ~' }0 [' {; h$ w- Q; Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" f& K; i) g1 E! Z& C# R: P& ZWhat a statement we have here?2 L- j9 G& i4 V; L8 M
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' [$ J* j9 R5 W0 I, G
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 l/ O1 Y3 _+ ?1 R' j! A! c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ B/ [) P* T# h' s$ t9 ?+ d+ Q# B/ P"不信也沒損失"0 _! O& N# y3 A3 F% Y8 S( W0 m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" p- c9 |6 d8 |- A7 Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- [- @0 p0 D7 n- t% n$ Yit's starting because we have sins......
2 B2 a  i) q6 g( H. O3 w4 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , O$ q9 w: O" e: b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" d; I' ^' _. r# c- Q3 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 N3 s+ @0 V- {2 }! }4 w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, k% k: k" A; W% [0 }2 A5 D* C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ t& y' ?7 T# e* D- P. x  r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! y( K9 P; a2 X  t+ G% H  L5 s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ I1 W) Z" _0 v% ]

9 i' ^/ ]7 N/ D3 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 m, s. E' }; r0 J( A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ u; ?# Y; R7 I) y4 T

. I. e5 l" \* z  m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ F) j+ o4 W+ F( q# E( R# D7 }: T- m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 g* R% ~  ^; g5 ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 n- o  x; `. a* x

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 n! d: F) J2 E5 ]) D. v, j! R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 s7 I6 Y6 }6 F' ^4 G4 r# C+ U
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以下是其他人的見解,
; K* A; I5 O/ _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. L' ]: _( p3 E1 p( J/ v; [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ w1 N6 ^% b0 K. O8 e& [+ Y; c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! F( I- l0 d, N3 {
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.