Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, |4 H* G2 E4 c# r) A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到" E0 B2 H: A) N/ H7 f& g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 j3 W! ~. U+ S0 s. BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; K6 j  e" O6 o" Q/ ^0 m1 C

, p8 e9 U1 c- v9 [' bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! f& e, z  D, i( y) K' f
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% ]9 l& T+ I, \0 K# Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 Z6 s) n+ w: T& y$ b
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., k# q/ ^& C' X5 w" o* k
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ f, {0 l& ]0 I) r+ G, }8 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( T4 w4 H. D- g% Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( l7 s1 K7 ~, a# U' d0 [/ l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# J! @3 Z0 A+ y; F! @& a: A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) y! P% h( A- J+ R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. e1 q- U4 {6 M. i7 w; j4 fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  f) m7 \( w1 l* p$ v% S- Y

$ o- q8 X4 F* A8 K  `0 kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ z/ G; [4 P% W% {" w& m
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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# d0 D& o" L$ h6 \0 t- H"不信也沒損失"
1 `8 s5 ?8 K- X2 [, I# m" f1 c1 O% ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! C6 i' B' I/ n# }; `, o& b( S3 _/ _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ x1 c7 Z4 u. O& `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' _9 Y* y0 |7 w! M) B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ a; }- {( H% p( E; i( t# y$ n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# R( V9 x3 z( d- v7 d# n. Q6 X  I

9 V; ~" Q& c! g5 n, K+ e# X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# c* O) R% v$ j  z# Z7 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( b& e( d4 {3 U" p' X
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以下是其他人的見解,7 m4 Q$ }  `) f6 W; z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; ~! v/ K' _2 F0 E. f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 s7 D4 `8 C. N& u9 N

5 t  B( ?- l$ Q4 A& k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 Q$ @: T6 B$ @6 J5 w/ H
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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" o6 V3 R  Y) W! U. P  l4 s# qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( d- L0 |' `  R  g- }( SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.