Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 N& v0 G9 p  S' W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 W( `9 R7 }* O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 x. |( h  }2 C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 n/ M: o, [* y: k! {% K呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 n/ v7 X. d, c9 o& |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- L0 ^" E) K  ]8 }4 w5 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' o& u; ~( A/ n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; i  _1 v7 D+ J真的!!這不是反話2 u# M/ T( o* ]' `8 Q  q
因為我是情感比理性強的人+ `' @2 b, o: r0 W$ Q9 U6 Q& S3 h7 |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ L0 L6 b; l0 f$ I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 b: N  r/ h5 I- H; w# L2 M( m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' [2 `$ ?% l5 Y% y+ r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 z8 x3 H' [( \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 p) C& V2 R# l1 {

2 e  e- z' [+ h- JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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# S: v: L3 d9 L1 E9 f9 S6 M/ Bit's starting because we have sins......, r- j" \% i3 p, m) \) @0 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % y* L* C) Q4 X9 _0 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) @$ _: P7 c" Y: l7 @/ F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 q- w0 A0 r8 P; I0 O: L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& x2 Z. m+ f* I% p3 M8 g" M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* |0 p0 [2 e- C1 F6 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 H6 t2 q8 j0 @0 o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 a. X: O2 X$ x% }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 c' _* \! |  O. [  v2 ^4 q1 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ W% W8 ?5 m* W# W6 F6 r$ I

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 ^4 K  n. r  w4 i6 i* K! a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- D) b4 L3 J  P; o" P" Q; {以下是其他人的見解,6 Q. B! h+ A* _1 v" w% t. E+ m5 z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 t' b' B6 ^! O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" t! m2 X' O# J- F2 D

  H4 @! b0 m7 B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 `0 L: B, X7 g- x
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( A9 V) n# A: s7 \3 i& F

; B% h8 ~2 ^/ A' [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 E9 S& h3 w, u8 |
.............信耶穌... ...

" e+ h6 [7 j( I6 g5 m3 w2 U) bRegarding the resurrection....
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/ J  X2 M; Q2 rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 L0 u% T8 u, _( ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.