Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- a# I* r* B* Q2 p( b& C( K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 M) ]8 I/ Z% v又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& [' Y* a" C7 o8 d% P3 w# h. {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ n" X0 y( g; x7 u! u呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, L: I! G$ M& c9 @! NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ b4 R1 P' ^4 d7 c0 z; x4 VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& N5 X9 \' G5 N6 e  d$ q0 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ _' o/ m; A  r2 r% k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 I8 H0 Q3 U) B# y$ Q- J$ c, Q% ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................  x1 L0 S* q) y* d
真的!!這不是反話
" x  t! x0 I; G- D0 |因為我是情感比理性強的人
( c' E0 s5 \: p  Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, {$ I  h; e1 _6 j6 W7 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 o& |$ q! H* l1 ~* o& y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 {, X- ^+ @- s, v7 i8 p' U9 j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ b5 K# L6 M& d, |0 U0 \: @6 p" L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ O9 j/ y+ ~; X% N+ \What a statement we have here?% P' P8 R0 _8 `. T+ j% ^6 S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : j; l4 q; F' [0 G$ T$ }2 S

% q; W& ]  r9 U6 @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 B& `6 Y) }( w2 F; R' S
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 W2 \, g5 |; r. h& F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. Y6 s) T; U5 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# h( j+ q) I! H8 u2 G0 Q' \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) y' v$ e. B' K: l9 Q+ \+ H
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it's starting because we have sins......5 @9 M% R* u0 d/ K. X& }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 {! ~( n' N# _9 \  j( Y7 P8 {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  @; P$ p5 B/ b+ b( A0 A5 N: a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; K/ v6 [) R. }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: i3 ?1 G9 }& h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- O5 O5 ?2 t  L( I6 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ g9 {) n4 a. J- ~/ m2 }9 R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ \- g7 e0 K) Z

# I( i5 R4 K* O# C& _4 Z) T- b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) ]1 }2 R/ c; H" w$ I* e0 D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" n, O' G$ P4 v- M. P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" o5 W' m% k: x9 R$ l5 J+ D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' [% ^! C$ W* h7 q5 D) E+ ~6 i0 ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  C: Y2 }* J" L2 G

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ f7 E9 u( o5 L- I
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% k( S5 B$ z! u) [

6 h# b% |2 u1 y( A: |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ r( y  d0 c" z: A0 b9 n) F/ J$ f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! R$ y, n9 W0 T1 r6 W# Z

: U; x2 y! f* M$ S/ r8 t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& `" y* |* F; _6 \( W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 q( T' c, W* z/ b
.............信耶穌... ...

8 P4 C/ x6 B% Q* }& }, p* z4 yRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' J# F: `# f0 F+ jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.