Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& F2 ?3 _4 U( s6 ~" l4 |$ w1 Q( V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: h' g4 u, ], D- U: L# C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, O) j( \3 X# V6 `! t道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; N9 b# U7 k, \* @/ q% w' UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 A& z3 u6 ^( `$ ^) X+ ?& |

) R+ {0 x/ y$ Z7 Z' _1 vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: @+ X; q7 d& ]1 t: e, W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ _2 [; S8 ]- l* e- N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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% N2 |7 P; S3 E' l因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' ]" o2 R% U* ~, V* ^4 a5 s0 {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) Q9 f' P5 I* G- x; A+ c6 V8 Z3 E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 O, ]0 s8 o. s. Y( Z' E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 N$ \8 O- v" J. u9 Y7 Z/ S* ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : M8 a. q# @* N' g6 R1 a  ~, x) O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% x# r% G+ _# G! B/ ]

; g0 h; i1 a" B' h. OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 {" Z* D8 u2 e. X# u: U, a; n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* z4 S! f2 R: O) Y"不信也沒損失"' W  U3 W* L" |  z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 X5 u! g3 Z3 h/ Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" a; o/ w! H9 M8 n/ j/ n9 dit's starting because we have sins......4 l# s% i% t7 e. u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' M) g1 F" P( Y) \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 L# G4 E' t3 N8 e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 j5 F* z( ^) l7 c" F: }5 g9 i! i0 L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- U7 a* \" R# U" m& U9 @% L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* A# F" L6 q6 Z! P  m

2 o) W3 |8 n0 f( `* e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 Z/ m4 b4 v- }& a  x& e! s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," I# b% T- H' q; \/ A
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ U4 x& v1 X0 D5 J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" ?/ ~9 E( R. r6 w8 x' W0 W& C) @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 W* A/ b) t4 |
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0 y! e$ Y, N) h5 `) A# o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: ]' e0 O. P) K5 y/ ~% S7 f$ _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' A8 f9 p" L; a1 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 t' y$ H/ x: L0 r" C, m
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% _: x$ }1 m2 x2 w4 t

: L+ d& y4 C5 N  X: q5 OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.