Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) w6 W4 v. K* L0 P, u- u6 u9 [, ]- k; x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ |/ w+ }; f" T' D! B4 T6 W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 |3 G, F. x( v( Q  t  @2 E& P% a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ n+ a9 }) _9 z" Z! |3 v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. Z& h8 _, n" zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ D* F  u, J' A, V( o

, U6 I1 Z' d) Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; s  `/ P9 `: m3 S9 `: y* j, r

4 K; o2 @; P+ h4 C! O& o( ]/ Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* }  q0 I2 O) }. l# _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 Y( O/ r: w; n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) M* A1 A) \( ?# _# V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 `% C* Z) D; h. d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." A% Q& f6 H2 }8 g. i$ y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' B( @9 |6 p1 L% W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 h0 u4 t7 g/ E- d! QI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 P8 z* L( A8 k' M# tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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6 t' v9 M% v+ ^& Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ z5 q- d& r( @8 y$ X
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it's starting because we have sins......; \, N8 V. C6 a# ^  _0 O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. i2 d# l, a7 Q4 d* gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": _3 u) x% r0 R- P7 w8 G2 {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 s6 ~- b9 W5 T5 B# e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ Z+ Z6 [4 h' ]5 m, E  L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 q9 l- j; P7 {6 a, f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( }% ?4 x( H. n+ i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 o  u* G5 H+ Z) v/ y6 P/ k4 v0 z7 _

5 a+ d* r3 l7 Y* f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% ^4 u( @& [" U2 C+ k6 {
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" P7 `+ O! A5 f; C! f, K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: G, w1 z" H4 X" x2 ]

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7 \# U0 \8 S! j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 f7 G' `0 O8 z/ y1 k; k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ [. u% t3 _. C7 s  d以下是其他人的見解,, f8 F  ?  }& Y' \) l; p* t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 p9 @8 [& Z! [7 _' E) p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) b3 e0 o0 G8 o& B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 y8 p2 f+ |2 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 P0 r2 t" @' h- X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. e; P" S6 T3 S. K- B) z) s9 j
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 U2 @" L! k+ z  |

4 v* t4 u+ C5 M' M0 a  G3 NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.