Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! a$ U0 R( G' t, W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ o( W& W# ~. x. I" Z3 |又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 {) r/ r3 t; [: H5 r  \道理我知道好多只係做吳到; y9 u8 ]/ R2 g" R, Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 t4 w$ _4 j& U; ^( s  D6 DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 d% V! Q( z' v' _3 f# y

' W- X1 A# L0 R% pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 M! a8 C1 @) r) |+ e7 m

" x# o, |$ @" [* @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* o# c2 ^: o. f: X- U% V/ ?; K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* o. ~# L- m$ f* [; S. e我只不過微小的基督徒...................) C7 v& V/ L1 E  }1 S7 @
真的!!這不是反話6 ~2 O, N- l( H  S) p9 n- ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人" x" M' E! c. f2 x6 o0 t/ H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! ~( ^: g! Y* G+ _+ s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ s" ^3 g. M0 k5 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  U6 i7 R7 @! e5 I  \! W2 A8 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 O6 P3 l) |6 E; ]8 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% }0 Q$ m6 T, `/ S% M: s. l7 s

9 e& M) ?. n- O- j; aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . d0 N, s& d7 \- k5 n

' ]8 D5 Z( w* I( v$ f" VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., l/ C6 H- ]* P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# Q/ b5 `  k& l% `, h7 s+ A' ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' ~- S! y  `! d! BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! T; x* O6 q/ @0 U6 n( Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ S. L7 \) ?  p7 |it's starting because we have sins......4 `. a& b* w+ L( O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) {+ J4 V3 _4 r: q8 d4 q4 Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* k2 Q* c( }! e$ a  G只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 |) r0 B  w9 F3 W% y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ o# `, O9 f) @3 V- m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 ^  U# ]1 d; Z7 S2 D' y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& Y: D) _" I, }; v! ^7 P% f" i( P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ ?$ H9 I2 V$ L7 n- q3 N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 y8 K8 O5 \: Z: z

3 ~( x3 E6 R& g5 _. x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 i7 F3 i7 s; ~  _) z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 g; O. Y* @8 A/ v4 Y/ }0 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 M( s/ e. i3 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  H; @; B1 W0 M: |8 W/ \% K( }5 X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- a* i7 x6 ?$ O- U3 _" N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 N6 R; ~+ c* K/ V6 w0 U: @/ Y/ d
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以下是其他人的見解,
8 O# C) Z# c* R0 Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 ~5 R. S7 ^+ p6 S; h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 u" u1 s  c6 g7 r% ~6 r* M

' a. s$ ^  z8 E" d& o: T  D! R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 w8 M; s, z1 V) l6 e

+ ~3 e% P3 b; }* L$ E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 a, Z1 q' Q( h! T" e

; i- _8 U' Y6 |: [$ f1 g. \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, k- w: G- m1 P! m! x.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  z, D& K* ?+ O
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 Y; J# D  X' ?0 W7 W
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.