Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 E) t5 J& d/ `我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 Z0 T9 X1 S1 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 ^1 ?  U2 e. G4 R$ r
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% J- z; i: I/ _: y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 E  z. b; o" C# j7 d" ^, B0 y  omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 ]7 m) N  Q$ b7 T3 n6 u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ a8 m. J0 k8 F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ I9 D' f% M% D1 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( z' N) P# K/ S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 w* u9 a& m7 o; C& X3 K2 \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . t0 y4 J6 Q2 _& l7 \7 d
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( X( n. W' K3 b+ V# S8 g6 X0 S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ p; f' @& s5 t5 B- r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 b# g0 j% N, A0 v: i/ l; l/ B, b6 Q% BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' u3 q" i7 N4 h4 U$ S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 Y% s4 l' T% o0 M! Git's starting because we have sins......9 ?% `8 u0 Z7 z5 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", X* t5 I- Q* x' V0 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ q+ h7 _" N* p. \/ |& m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  ^2 J+ Q) x; L1 u4 @, G" b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: q% d) r' W8 ?. h; l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: B3 B: f; q5 L) h; M+ d! u1 l
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& {& M  O/ X: y6 \+ x' k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- A4 u3 g$ B: n7 w- `* m2 b9 {+ a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) q% ?7 K5 ^1 g4 t9 h# C+ x' ?
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' x; [3 h7 J- l6 f

  ^2 p2 u, J/ |9 H! b8 b* l: A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 j# I5 l0 n- J6 ~) B! f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 m3 H! y! X4 f3 v6 j+ M( f

, t  M# h* A- `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; |+ Y5 ^- @5 M, `# D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) h! a5 V  X9 M! k( N$ J  M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& P* Y* f/ P7 n" P2 c9 V: L0 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.