Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, B: O3 t5 ^6 \* \# X* y我係一個連自己都吳信的人% Z$ k5 V6 T- e4 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# _6 n; d6 M2 ]5 H& w
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 U& o: j  X9 _5 q" N$ z+ a% T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# `/ c+ l, l( a  mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% |2 X( c( O$ T/ pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 V+ R) ?1 Z4 l1 S. Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ x- `+ U3 k6 [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 ~1 E, D# r; N1 d1 o; r, u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ t  p# e/ C5 T# y% p3 Y真的!!這不是反話- n: Z6 I  s! {" p$ v7 E: h
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 g; ~" b( u  c5 W. a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' |. n, ]& J. P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) x# U! Y) u$ c' G- L! d3 I% W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 p2 a3 a# n" O4 M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 j7 S% {0 C# I. F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ M3 n" H$ f+ R" pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: k/ n+ M$ M6 c  \+ j; T# p* m9 ?' Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- r% S$ z% e0 }/ \9 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: |( M# F4 }/ r- o) ]; A0 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 w9 y: l* t$ ]6 e& T& E  Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 @8 A2 x# z2 `7 a! tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 q/ s$ }. q6 f  J, L" ~+ i; xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& S$ c8 B2 D* D* L+ U9 [. Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; H% m) k. O& Y* i5 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ j& J  A! O5 B/ q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: m0 I  {, l6 D8 z6 S( Y- _& ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; F( O7 u  q+ Z" }  _9 ~" v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' z9 c& z0 Y3 E* U0 r: p! s3 w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; B$ f: x# D; ~+ [5 h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 W9 _6 q# S" U7 j+ z4 k, R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. R" X0 X2 \5 W* ^
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. g8 y! h" a' ~; d0 _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, P0 C* |( `; o1 A2 X

: b  y9 }" ~, L) M8 \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 i  Q! W1 c" [8 U: a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( T% I" N+ Q, s9 M# T- i8 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ W7 w) ?% ]8 t( g  B% o  ?/ h' @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 A  {1 P- C# T

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7 N. Y. i9 f3 r0 B7 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.