Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  g! n' q) Y, M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ _' Y; ~) C5 U7 a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 `6 \! s+ n8 T. F1 C; B" w) N/ k9 z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 O" [2 s0 Q4 |/ S% u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" Y# Q5 H, V( ]: k" R

  _" w$ O4 C/ z7 }6 uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." ?7 c( h6 f& q( q' ~

" ^3 j4 ]3 o4 ^8 k- r' Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 U  r& A( g" y3 A; Y% n$ t1 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' K/ f) s5 K) Y" q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 ?) v. G6 d) w; y! k) ]2 D6 @& J
真的!!這不是反話0 D; K# Q* ^' u! U1 D1 S! A2 d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 T9 v' ^7 P: Z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" T9 ?$ A6 n4 C8 K3 g  @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 z# B9 D: B1 Z# i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; ~. P+ L& T+ ^/ m9 ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 m3 T' f' `0 o" P+ X
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. h- U6 `9 H! M" ?/ Q- i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ v6 O+ u, F! w- b0 ]( j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 ]* Q/ [- a' W% s+ c" @"不信也沒損失"
7 {; {% x; a1 V* w9 J- R8 tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., m6 \6 C% n( g7 Y4 s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." s7 M; {% I* N1 a' |8 U
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ C+ K, m3 g% s* v% k( b, w9 Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% A* R& W# b5 P) q/ l7 R2 _) Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 y9 h2 L( \; i: Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 S* @) |( ]- _1 v- d) f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  w% F: Q; H, c* B! k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 b% o: t/ T  u8 R7 ?) V
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) Y2 |, Y$ T9 L+ Q5 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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( t6 _1 O) ]. V6 s* ]$ [: V以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" o5 a6 Z$ X- D/ D% Y9 ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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$ A7 _+ e# z* m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 G1 [: k# ]& l3 R- h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....' U( ~1 R$ ~" Q" i; B2 R
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: U# c( Z( m# E6 q4 |5 K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.