Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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8 X8 ^" k3 H) Y3 r! S2 P$ h  z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 L0 u4 f5 [6 T7 L" ~6 O3 R6 D' U

: K, ]( H6 L  P8 [3 b! ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- J' S' i7 I; `  b, }  ~+ r

# `0 ^3 j' K0 t3 U8 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  `& `& _5 m# U$ l) z; q

( `% C' X# {: ~+ ?& ^- ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 p, Q* l% g% Z7 P6 {; `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# K8 h  `+ Y! z( ]1 A我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 X/ `8 U5 [9 L' ]% j& Q
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 E% u9 b) v5 G& @) `- R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( s( [' E! i  g% L1 q; P8 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# R: t; e$ L0 e6 g( C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ g: E2 g% @1 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" B8 H1 c( O& `4 a  L) H8 G' TWhat a statement we have here?
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+ g) C: G# ^: ~# G9 |! XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ V- d5 G& f/ K: R6 D3 A; @% [4 c# E

* a, z$ [( t7 q9 S# p" I" @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( @+ N5 p8 ]$ l2 t- D1 D! @. A
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! V# e1 c0 P+ ]) X6 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( J$ i8 ^6 n, J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# w4 o3 ?0 a$ \. Q# k) jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 g4 h: |; w- K, H3 T# p0 K0 j

" e3 r. R- ~5 f' n$ m* Git's starting because we have sins......
$ K; S- V! f8 f% Z, O* }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( Y0 A' k( V8 U) e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". n3 L8 h  D. c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 V6 q: |" w, N. N' y0 A4 W! P+ m) {6 Z$ M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, M2 s* N3 @7 P+ e/ r這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) z9 M3 z0 C, R) A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) t" }  m. O; y6 S: h) y5 k/ [( i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- c# P" j5 J0 C% e- Y5 i
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; ^1 z: m7 T( r7 A' ]2 C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, m+ n* ?) c' u+ j4 G- B& }/ a2 D& P$ B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: Z2 e9 J: g; z% Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 k1 l6 Z9 S( e. y* i
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,7 ~: J7 M/ D3 K6 W) C- G/ }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* k5 B) R) M* Y0 y- P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 l, K1 A$ h4 a9 E; P

' b% M* J& S8 W6 R& o; ?" v/ q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( }0 G/ p, W+ C6 E- }

0 V" w% l+ L# A) J8 L7 J8 b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% q1 g# H7 T% g" m.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.