Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 {8 {) [( U& W' G/ d$ J  P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 Q/ }: p, n; T9 N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" a9 \8 e! m$ C" o" c" b0 X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 n( Y$ M+ F# p; S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 ?8 M) A$ W7 c7 l( k& C- x; @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, {  t: n9 j& A" F3 xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 S  ?% U" {% E( l/ t: m* d1 f9 A

$ @; V. f6 x2 T! b- lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 D( R4 @% s; [& D4 s  f8 S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, A; ^6 e) {* ?- ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 V( t! p7 [5 o! \6 b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% {3 d9 S) A4 |0 b0 T; u1 y, U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 l& u9 ]3 L5 Q5 \0 r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
7 K) {! V) \( q4 C# z3 Z正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ N2 q2 l* t* E7 l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. ^1 @* Z' l( Z! hWhat a statement we have here?
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, [; ^* t, O# BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 r' A. v3 Q4 f% x: t( `+ [

: v$ I3 O- x) Q4 ]7 A) o& U' PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ C8 E3 Z* `; N) b2 [) ]0 e8 I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  R' W3 Y1 D* q8 V" N+ |; u
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ _2 _) g5 m7 d, [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 u* v: o0 A! k. Q! B2 P" p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 e6 M/ H  n) j+ ^  ~* K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ L& V! _- E9 a# ~1 s* @7 _
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 D4 j3 u1 ^6 [3 Z9 ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: a2 U7 \3 u, F: G- Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: b) @5 |* l- q7 O, j$ ~- {6 S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," F3 a/ F8 r$ ^( q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 w# k9 B' f9 \- U7 d' T/ b+ v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) K% f  m7 G+ O9 _7 A. D. ?) ~$ b# q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! k0 p8 o% Z% d; v& v; M" P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 A3 |* c7 V7 f9 m, P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 ?6 ?+ ?& z( S9 G; W, R# ?好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( n0 o1 S9 r3 G9 l0 F. |$ s- _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 i3 {$ S$ I" v" m" u3 `6 H5 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. |; `. _% `4 Q; s$ t& w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ }. b" q. }, e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ E" D* e& Y/ J" }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! X: w( O9 s9 ~% q, n以下是其他人的見解,
) B7 k# s$ n% N! t+ ]3 O. F4 J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
" l. I' m" j7 u: _, jhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; d, G8 v/ D' x* d: M% O
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 i" p# A, O1 u( h& @' E1 B, e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, O# E, T( s+ J$ G4 ~2 b
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 G+ I7 s) W5 ~' H9 d

, b9 b: J7 A7 G9 U; `" G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 q3 `8 e+ C" M. ?$ ]( D: h( k; f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% n% n/ h- f2 k" R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 I4 r7 S1 B: V4 Y! SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( R+ z; t" E3 \9 u* m1 G1 t1 N+ h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.