Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* \" i. G9 N2 O0 I9 ~0 O3 z3 [& s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- k0 |, a1 X8 I) u. L) X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) n1 r7 d1 `% x) {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 ~1 y& m6 C4 y6 c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 P0 t( J) M- ?4 K2 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( Y7 [1 n8 B. \0 X( {0 J2 a3 Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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7 L% Y( o9 a* W( j2 G( g因為我是情感比理性強的人
' R, w* o( f8 Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  G1 @8 m/ A& e5 v, j' {( j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ G. n" C/ {6 |8 h" t, V# y& x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! v- t9 f* M6 u- [7 e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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* h& s$ a! f2 {0 s& ]/ TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ f9 n; ^% n$ V! M" r9 \
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' q% }3 s$ ^0 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 M! ]) @" n. O% z) y3 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... w/ |) e, z% c- u% {( P& j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* D* p( H8 B" d( W" h
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 N7 z* v) ]5 o% l% Y  ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 ^& M* X' ?7 d$ d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 O2 Y0 e; \1 B) k7 f/ J$ q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* i9 q! \# V9 K9 H! s& o* q

3 p" G' Z. k, R' p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: W! w' H0 T7 t- R: c1 k3 j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; M2 K) R0 g# x1 F1 S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# C* `0 T+ M' C& W/ T
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# f5 p1 c, ?9 u; c1 I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 S' f$ G7 O3 M& d* ]; W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  I% H: x' e* x1 o

' N4 k' }+ y, b5 g' X& I' e, O  T0 G以下是其他人的見解,  l; k  X7 x& D' c$ c9 X$ b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 p: |5 Y5 s7 }- c) @% q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& W* \; ], Z- r  b3 O4 [1 j. C2 Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 `7 V1 \  x- V. b* c  D% n

" @0 W4 U3 \/ f. \; h2 b0 g5 E) k) j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( K7 C  X( y- s
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 G& {) h* m' B# k- z; @. U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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1 ~7 j7 f+ j9 PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! _9 W; ?( W. C- _  i' \+ v- V

. Q  S* P2 p; W/ G1 @8 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.