Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ T+ ?. I) r- T$ r+ P2 M8 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到& U( h. u3 E/ }! c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* p$ o, b' e- I  NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." G+ b# N; T8 y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, i1 f3 v2 e5 ?/ G6 M3 R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 x! j) k$ @2 m0 o' r1 |
真的!!這不是反話" p- x" V3 G0 w4 h7 M" _8 N% K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 a3 O8 [! |3 J; y$ b  f/ u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! ]5 U0 O  c$ }/ h1 y- c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' h; U  O8 u* N. U9 _+ M! u- n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- y& }4 u8 e/ i/ [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, Y9 C) n8 w" B3 p. m3 `" {8 HWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 W7 v' n3 V) W: d( u

0 g) V: `# n: |0 K9 z  S6 }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 v: i! H% u: A8 t

# y2 o% t/ W9 w& R+ xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- Z/ b( u1 Y& |) H# E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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4 n9 L: P2 x) h, z4 R3 {"不信也沒損失"  s4 i1 f8 _3 [( `: M. r' S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ u% o; m% L% c* l4 I! K8 y# w: Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 f" V7 E# J4 q: {* J& P* c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ h. Z0 u' x2 r7 c! m2 ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 x/ W0 q" ]4 T+ W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, J7 D2 ~$ [! p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" R7 v$ B9 V; a3 e- W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. s9 C9 F3 e- _0 S; F& L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 U  Y" ?3 U( o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: P; n% @1 u% n8 ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" t- p; d, t1 O; t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; i4 c9 I3 d' [1 ], s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& p$ O/ T0 j6 v$ O$ k) ]% g% H) h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 i4 h& r5 ^4 R5 t9 G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& H. v' n( i; r$ m1 O1 ]) U( ?" |

5 B4 i4 \1 u2 Y( J# j7 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ L) Q  v9 _8 C; i' @( c3 F6 s4 F( a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 A6 x5 r% I3 o; ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 B* E& O3 S. n; r
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ J  l5 T; B& B) [1 Y8 j

* P5 I9 @& k# J6 w& q! E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 }! ?7 R1 q9 N9 ^7 Q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 w' s0 m" m! T1 W' K8 F- v
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) j' n" y1 \- {8 s2 F0 y. g6 c$ b

4 J0 @3 H6 v! b; O0 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.