Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& C6 v- p% Y& h5 {+ J0 H% C  m我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 h) Y0 x7 Q5 [' w( q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 L# {& W1 _# f1 t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 G. z2 n3 O% a. V6 G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 Y8 [$ s( f9 v  x
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; \: a$ d6 _- N* p

+ J* M- t& ~) q) |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 x9 k' t- o0 Z/ zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 g! ~" d) n' e我只不過微小的基督徒.................... o3 w  `/ l4 v: p* |; a% v! r+ @
真的!!這不是反話
3 g6 Q8 o- E  z- t* M3 I因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ |4 E1 a+ L( e& a0 y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 ]# E$ R1 i2 x# R# a7 D6 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# ~. z. G6 h3 e5 Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# q$ k( F" {& R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ X7 ~, x- S7 e2 f# `- [, Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% o+ F, c9 }; z0 \) N. u7 A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 ?5 d: ?2 a  z- J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 F& k/ O  v; \% A"不信也沒損失"
/ C! J2 @2 k9 N2 }( W; |- UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( @/ [( K- b$ i+ n$ a8 lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 i, l; D& b+ Z/ ]3 N# t. Y( v, Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , A* z0 z! v. c6 X7 ^! m3 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 q9 x: @3 v" q6 I3 L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 ]2 I9 A/ R: i9 }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# G1 g, Q* m$ o* X7 O5 ], V* a, Z- [% c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! m( F+ ?( P, f  s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! w% a7 b  w9 S$ J( r: t, f

- n0 L5 J. H( u: k4 e5 G2 L8 F+ v3 _' j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 ?$ B. t& O6 a# {! q. [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 o' o* R% O& H( E/ u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; j# o. z/ m+ a# S: U$ V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 d) W: ^5 c% E" O3 `; @$ n

' v5 u. A# a9 B# U- g& d& v7 ?# c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  w" F; p: J. W# e( j, h9 r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- x: l5 W! ~( J9 j' _8 p9 W
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以下是其他人的見解,' s6 J3 o& }2 ]" O# ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: E2 L7 J1 v0 K  R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' U4 R2 x1 }, b
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 M/ P% W" L% M1 i, M

6 I9 s4 d4 s" K: q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 S6 b: N9 b* w( v4 l, Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- |" v- j' v- h# @& L% {
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ G- }8 h/ C. p7 l; L( g

$ Y8 c8 x' p, s1 v% w. z$ p. AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.