Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* }" n  Q# w/ t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 ^8 X0 U! L# |5 f" l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 \! D; b9 c# L7 V

( b# u( r, K+ o1 g0 {! ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- J7 a9 z& E  e4 Z( O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 W" b  T9 a' `) p# [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 l  o9 q& x. _! g  U/ ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 O  C# g; |: E. W8 c# I) E) x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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7 U& s* j! r" W$ P( m6 W1 r. FWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" }% Q9 R5 i% ?' BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 l: w, B0 ]% X' I" D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 H3 k% {4 N* A8 o- l3 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 Y2 @* ~8 B) R6 b6 NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- x2 N: i/ t( y3 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& p5 C( Z, Q3 j7 j0 m5 S8 c3 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 t- a* g9 J/ ^+ o! G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, O% p; o6 T( c/ t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! ^8 q& N+ @3 \9 ]8 K

" v- Z9 M/ O! }, y, g' W( ~2 n9 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. Y1 Y/ g8 U# i: _3 s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 ]) v: r: o$ \( Y5 C

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& Z1 z* ]7 n* ~- {# Y0 r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- ^$ y  G6 W8 e  ?, j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 X/ t- I% n4 Z! ^6 }$ {' s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! }! \+ v8 b1 C: W, P.............信耶穌... ...

5 h% p5 A) m$ h' u0 V9 ~- C* jRegarding the resurrection..... R- ~* ^6 n- X. L6 R
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.