Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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: e* x/ X# ~  a4 E# G' d道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 [) o* P+ e; N% M$ j3 G2 [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! a2 D; J/ L9 `+ `( R9 s

$ H0 b5 r. i. ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# P. e, A3 {0 R5 _- Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 J% W: C. x7 |  G3 R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* U7 a0 Q( M, @% ?- U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# e1 R$ Y! U9 H, |1 g

5 C! S3 [6 D7 d, x2 b' EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  f' d. N0 h2 Z3 i" b: g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( i3 G3 u8 W1 X. j"不信也沒損失"" }0 f' |  V, e( K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# p* z1 `0 D9 m4 {  T' H* m$ ^* C/ b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 ], Y3 M5 g8 J# M0 [it's starting because we have sins......
' ?! M6 D. ]' p& h9 u4 d6 V* Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 S9 T" i7 G5 x% x/ r" ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 m' U# @  f; Z/ Q# y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- l) e9 k5 S2 i' o3 `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! m) D% m- p0 z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" z4 `1 F. M. r6 i1 \' n如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( ~! q& ]$ Q+ O$ ~0 z& T# r' _" f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: x: v0 l3 K+ a. U- e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& ~& G: M5 _5 p2 e% K5 k) _0 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 Q4 t$ S: T( Y' v; s  a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," A9 k6 f& ^+ X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' `7 D6 B( `6 W1 _. ~" j2 W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  {$ v! z) Q1 a$ L, i/ d# w% w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& \1 b# s. T4 Z6 J  G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ h2 n5 I/ o; C, L3 b( @
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& N0 h) m# [8 z0 Q& z, M( R

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 b% J  A! s  n) |
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 u( m0 S4 G  g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 e9 ]$ f2 M" L! m5 u
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. E0 R7 s4 y, G" ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% M' w1 Q) S1 W* f5 l.............信耶穌... ...

" O! p4 V2 \: w3 V5 IRegarding the resurrection....1 @0 r$ {& |/ L' a

; L$ t) ?$ ?; XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.