Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! J% M* _7 N4 ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 t- T. d# y; w: J6 Z' ?) [道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 Q3 w+ P, e  v! m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 y, b( ]2 C1 @( N; {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  a7 S5 y- ?5 A  x) h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 s* u/ C+ A$ R% j% ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 y1 S8 u$ j# Q& B/ ?! f; k我只不過微小的基督徒...................% K* q, D' H( g
真的!!這不是反話
' M) k3 L. V) J% w8 A因為我是情感比理性強的人) d& Y" a) B( w) N3 ^3 p2 G% ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 h4 w% l7 \& |" r, {- H: I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  O+ x4 T9 `$ Y; g+ m1 s  D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 |9 o; A6 H" l3 X8 Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' c. |3 w1 ]) l: l9 r8 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 \0 Z* P  ]$ G! d4 F* n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 D- c* P+ B  t$ v5 u% NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ T/ f3 G( C4 \

# G) N1 n! f( o$ b1 \) ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; z# n; b5 I7 }7 k( [* i
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* E- ^; i5 N5 r1 U9 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) q$ }! r, c3 Q: Y"不信也沒損失"
+ [) H( O2 y9 h9 `5 [. }/ P' GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 [+ q/ x& W* n( t# ]  C7 n6 ]7 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: X* U  S& D* @# }" X3 ]/ `# u

1 Y& m! \. N& l4 L+ b" o" s2 A( x5 u$ Wit's starting because we have sins......& q& y/ @7 {- r: n' m  {+ V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   M, G1 U* N# _, D% c- x! U7 Z5 L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' ^- e6 _4 Y+ I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. ~; f0 q+ \/ E4 q4 ?3 \1 H0 o+ I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ G; v% ]' D0 c
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& P- c$ S  g" ^/ {0 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 a; d" t, J' p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, n; S- [  p& g# k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 O# |& Z( g. Y1 ^* h7 p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( T" \" S  u7 J1 L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 s/ C5 y) O# N' `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 s6 l# I% W1 J" n& E4 y; ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# D( M7 p/ o* t& `2 G9 D) {

* O& n4 I3 [8 z1 w) R宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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/ C! F) |1 u  w6 T, S7 Z/ B% Q# Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  l2 P: |/ `! a$ _4 @9 o信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 x2 ^+ R* R, r5 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& ]2 T0 B, E# H  o

2 D0 z) V2 r; I" R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! E% Q& D0 k/ j$ s% F; d

4 ^8 f# M7 I- a0 ?3 c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 c' o8 s7 s3 O

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' }8 z2 D: g2 i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* }: M. S# M/ l# Y0 r5 Z, ~

3 ?) Q) e* v3 [" L5 BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ z1 C% N7 v, x+ @  o! v+ F/ ^You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.