Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  S2 w" }# ]% ~$ A' {0 |  u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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: r7 h! I0 Q( f: y  }) e2 i道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; B: i. b" z4 M1 x7 d/ N' KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 ^- \) M5 ^+ f

5 F( B8 l3 w# ]0 t9 GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 N* B: m# B! Y; e5 B8 p8 R8 ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 a& b4 R- K; S$ Q9 e: U$ N2 Q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 s' C# t" w2 G% X7 o- P, I
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! n7 E7 _1 t$ w  ~2 P: _
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 d/ ^0 R6 }( Q) X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 I  N* h" s) E& W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( f$ H. G+ ?" Y8 F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# m. ~2 x( E8 Q- w% _9 ]! D) Z. AWhat a statement we have here?
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- Z/ q8 A+ Q4 a0 RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  N! z% }/ ]* N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- E( R  \/ ?6 L1 g9 ^! |% o- u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! P3 \+ n1 U- ~6 lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; S6 n. D, O& c9 |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   r6 b# ^* K. u; K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 Q+ n8 @( e8 U9 y) F5 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 o4 S9 @$ T5 _/ K! b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  B& p& T# r, t; P, }( M: N, V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, u1 H" l& H. r$ ~( \' e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' K6 W- j; ?, l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  }; v, K! ?+ z3 S3 S8 [' I
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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" [* T4 o, W+ m$ ^: s6 Y: d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( T3 x+ |( e! l0 U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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  ?% m0 d4 ~* H- I7 ?6 _0 c' R5 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 f. D+ e3 Z& l+ R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 D  _- ?% D! Z; N0 v: |
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* X! Y  S6 Y& G' C9 u
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 c1 Q" I& q7 V$ ~

% z9 ~, o' {7 t4 i* G$ y8 e- G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 x" d' w  Q! ?: x9 E8 o! f0 t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. J0 m) e# M+ v) Y8 i1 O( q1 R
.............信耶穌... ...

: L8 y! h* s* p  s% C, I; A+ sRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ H' f! p- {: h1 p  nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.