Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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+ \& Y% z+ L8 ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 c* x8 F. K3 V0 k( h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) Y9 |: r) |8 G/ {& X; KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& K: i( v' B6 {' u' SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 o# l/ J* I# [2 f8 j# D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  X5 G. M( e5 U/ B

+ u9 H# C5 b3 c, t: c+ Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 v/ k; z' [9 ^! x1 A3 t1 _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. M( ^5 Z9 I( X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; U# Z# e0 I& S% C: D$ x
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 E2 Y) \/ d' a1 P/ k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 Z0 L7 E9 V( @" g) c9 \# H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& A5 w: o' U  L9 z: o4 e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ k8 G( m+ G: `1 @+ L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) E9 S% \- `# @! w* ]) _5 R$ \  v. v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# C8 W6 i" ^' ?; ^% z9 F% e: ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
; M6 A) w; A8 t3 D( p* m, r& N. v4 a& F6 iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) X; C0 ~: p& qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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  O: q* `5 {) w! j- kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% Q0 U$ |4 O$ Q4 O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& d% v" w* T7 u/ u0 Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 a4 U7 }) k, ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% f9 L* }. _( ?- `4 H( w% y/ }9 ^# c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 I( ]) V. j5 S  _( y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 {$ x: ~) J: I( J7 j! f: }4 |: f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 O" ]5 p( m* |8 ^8 d+ a
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& r: M& ?5 }% ^7 J9 _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* @  F& y6 b* w: a1 U
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( ^) H% Q9 f) Q( V! a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 ?% ]9 J! ?0 W# m. r8 F/ i1 V
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ F1 Q/ i8 `! b/ ^# k5 i. @& t
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ @9 _# x. H) u; R% U7 Z* m1 L

& F5 ^$ |' i! _- J, M% q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' O# i: ~  @: L& t

2 x; r$ j+ C; ]% t3 C* b& y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  P& B; n* e8 t, T. R: v  S$ m9 n
.............信耶穌... ...

: J" S+ ?$ A# c! m7 h) x1 NRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ |1 z0 |" g+ W& z9 }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.