Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 v: B2 _  U2 r: `( I( z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' u7 F7 H! Y" P, q6 u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. ?4 r$ s2 P; G/ R/ b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 \0 g& I' E6 A9 Q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 ~5 L7 ^4 ?+ ]/ K. v! ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 B% H/ p: j7 Z6 v6 i+ pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: @. C: r( Q, T  ?* w

$ h/ t* I" @3 B) H3 V- xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! W0 Z9 H! Y% D! b, N; i2 b
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. K* o" m  x: D+ ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ A. e# ?9 O  Q0 Q  q& _% p我只不過微小的基督徒...................
% o- Q8 Z/ R8 [- D/ I) x+ X0 x真的!!這不是反話
* W8 B( j7 F  M因為我是情感比理性強的人
( `) @" R% u; t7 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) ?' C1 x) N/ }- D, f2 Y5 G, m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ b& Q- o1 T2 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 g! Q; d8 \. _% s! t3 D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, l/ \" Y$ U2 R* T  k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 L4 K9 y. y3 P2 g/ D- h; R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( R+ x# A, Y( E& e. B. K
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ ^: l4 w' W  M0 q- w2 f  a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 m) g. _9 E9 L0 q- L, m' i% k; K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
/ O+ Q1 K, M" {$ xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# o$ Q0 B5 b" Z3 t7 W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% }% Z- G) ]2 p
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it's starting because we have sins......
% J: O) D# X( Y3 q! K! R  Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, P' X! N5 v4 W) M5 Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 W* e7 Y' V( \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ V5 ?- G* I- d7 z4 V% n/ l3 r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 d# {# Q0 ], R8 M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# w% C7 ]% p. p3 M- @' Z. d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 v  @$ t9 _" F; }( _$ ^! K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ F' ^* f& H( n4 D* e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% B% h6 Y" n/ l+ A: m: c$ ]: J4 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 \0 K2 s& y5 }7 ]7 X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ b# v% ]1 }8 d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ }& G: L5 d' R  E
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' Z3 ]3 S! r- F1 Y* r: v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  u7 {6 a. Y( Y& A! H' U7 x  k+ E

; U% e: X: g  |! n  Y, D. m3 w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: V. q$ o! {6 Y; Y0 \
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 o( b* U' B6 ]( n, Q3 B

/ D' e' g4 k4 n! r0 `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 R% \0 c4 o+ P2 ], |/ u6 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.