Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 I2 y. z7 t" A& j道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 s- {4 m- d9 q3 x% r/ a- m8 [  z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 m  v/ i$ D7 ^- |/ NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 W9 L& g  x3 V, b; S

  b5 S/ |8 }1 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: N. \& {, N, U) d0 n) j. b

% [! l' B- ^, X: l0 S  R; [" d- cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 k1 L  e# i; j/ b7 W7 pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* y' f) A. V9 b8 |9 n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
/ ?8 U- f# V* _& d" X) y# }0 r真的!!這不是反話5 j! Z3 y- n( o7 M
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 T% h6 W' P% ?1 X& F" h; o+ o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& l7 V3 \! O3 i' [# C. i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* X( E7 H/ D  ~& z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  A& T6 F2 r3 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ C2 v! n) \( L, T1 Y: c7 \9 i8 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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( L( q. s  m* BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' b& Y1 m3 Z  x* l: O% O

2 @8 i' i9 V% a' |2 y9 Y# b6 G$ OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 D' G5 S( P1 }# z6 \" U

  s# A: F% m* k" m. ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) F6 {. ]  m- ]) n( `- L
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 ]7 g. w" i3 x; |7 @% j+ p  P0 H4 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: v4 T8 P0 i5 ?% n- n: X$ F/ f9 R"不信也沒損失"6 F: \. Z  V+ f( _. _- Z8 ?1 u- K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......! m7 a4 h' e5 s2 y9 O) e1 Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 a# e& o2 S1 k9 J, K% G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' t7 f, H8 n5 M* o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, r# C2 w) _. }( A2 `$ P. g, f, _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. d. T' G* G; P5 p0 i8 P3 @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 @" e, I+ r: a7 r+ F+ \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 }9 e. \6 L/ @& h9 |0 Q6 r4 A( L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. D3 F: d: A  V# j/ C! v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* E3 A1 w2 \( ?好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, }6 [1 _6 v4 ~0 N9 _

' F% U: T  [4 S; e, k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 l" J6 {/ L  ]) V. ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 b- s0 F2 B3 `美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 u# G3 w% X5 E
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" V- F1 o1 E" a7 L5 m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  R' o% B& S4 Y2 F* D

! U7 H" g) Y7 |- ]1 {+ j以下是其他人的見解,
( o- i/ v! L3 o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 r6 }$ O4 o- ~) s0 ]( u8 `
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! |  [1 t7 m) s9 _2 a2 U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 D% w. b, q8 p- U, b, o: ]0 R$ J

/ F% {8 n" _8 ~- v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% D" g3 x; a1 h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 ?$ o' `; J8 P# b.............信耶穌... ...

1 d! K% O4 o) _Regarding the resurrection....
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: y: }! c; t) ^% A) }: tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.