Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 y2 q$ K+ x" N) N1 e: k道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ d' W& g: W2 \# ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 i! x! K! A7 t0 ]: h  UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 J" B5 t) N3 J+ t! G6 b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& _+ a' R* @* l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 |' o* z8 A! ]- t) ]0 I3 Q% X6 S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, F4 w1 t) M6 l' e3 a, t8 A% P) h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' R5 e) T4 m$ C; W4 h3 ?
真的!!這不是反話
! X) j# }: n# j5 r, V; p因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 b; ~/ D" H' t2 J# ^7 V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 R8 G% E3 T* U9 U2 |+ o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 f) i5 ^: E4 g3 p8 k/ T9 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* o3 o6 i; z& i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, K" y  j# ^# b" \4 ~; u( @
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! @! K7 ?0 \" s( o! \* u' ]# NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 W& c/ G: E7 U  ?4 u

$ c) X' C; v% v# n9 Z  ]4 JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  P" v0 D) E5 d6 Y" ]

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 X6 y2 j6 M4 t& H& i1 a, U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- j( {! Z/ P2 Z$ B; Q( m* o, n6 |"不信也沒損失"
% a, H' @$ Q5 v) n& LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, W) ?( p! J( Y9 G. }6 D' @' \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......7 q5 R8 w6 S4 p8 a( ~8 n; J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - P: L5 R0 Y" y8 J4 r2 H* Z1 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! ?1 A, J9 e- f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 S) G# y- u% b5 u  F2 ?" |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: D$ s; c3 e; A  c6 p- n' s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 |& \, Y5 e. X: D, i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 l5 v8 X: R# \0 _) |4 L3 R5 t! R/ b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. @+ n- D, G) v4 o0 M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* }5 O4 g1 z0 z2 {& Q% c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; d- c' H* @: b0 R/ d2 g0 _# ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: E8 m2 E- c/ @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) @. ^) g" v4 B2 s/ S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  m- J3 {! o1 h以下是其他人的見解,5 y  S$ e/ A! i: }. Q. W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 W  i1 E1 E  E6 i8 M
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: z, V' W, l( g% A1 }

: F& {& q4 y0 L, y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  n% {/ j/ H1 R, [  A" z. h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" \$ k+ n# S% c) p: T9 K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 c# z% i) m5 J4 i; D% K.............信耶穌... ...

6 Q. s$ r4 k" F& G2 IRegarding the resurrection....3 U9 }5 F' @, P; J

% g+ v, k: i6 m1 ~9 j  eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- P' f8 x3 A! [& }( i8 T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.