Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- j) b% U! S$ }% i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到- h6 D! o& j. B0 S+ T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 W% [5 ?9 X1 [4 `  @' U" |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% A6 y( }& P% T; Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: G, ~; z8 ~% O1 O

+ ~2 [4 C; r) ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 z$ M5 A/ A& o  D$ icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 ]$ t& Q1 U+ K5 W# e) ]# D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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2 U: ^: |3 D' [4 Y# L3 e因為我是情感比理性強的人4 q2 q" U# P1 A! Y- d7 u! s. g( ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& ?* u5 c* W9 }( \3 Y5 v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 a- F# n7 f+ S* \6 o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. R6 y, m' R9 E9 s( x! ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - q& p. j( [+ w0 ~; X5 t1 ]

. u" C! u* b, r" A& {# t( JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- H& U* c2 H  q/ r$ LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% e) ^0 H& {/ W
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 u7 ~4 P6 y8 r2 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% J$ z* D- l  E( r# l' S9 Q

2 S% X# [2 v4 ?) @3 G* xit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 ~7 K9 g/ u, X/ `& D/ s$ N  \4 @. ?# i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 K* D. J  ^8 F1 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- Q- p; n" {; x, y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 H& W$ l) E. c
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  m# d  e" E9 C9 D( d3 X5 \, d& ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% c% s0 x. H2 h8 B; `

% w4 `8 l, p/ M8 l9 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, ?, M& [. P! H* ^2 l改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: K7 `: L: a8 b! _9 L% k- F1 k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 x- ?4 q% p7 }0 N: z以下是其他人的見解,
3 S3 |' n: |/ ^8 u8 [+ o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& j. |9 Y  N- H! @, P3 o3 X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' @+ ^% s; A+ F! C0 Q3 L/ g

/ e5 ^) {% z/ H$ T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: |7 Z5 C0 m" c% }1 R$ L: b7 D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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+ i' s: I7 Y; k, m* [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# B" r: m, u1 [- B& P* n) v
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.