Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' ?' @( J  `, @道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 r  L* E2 }$ b  K  D0 q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: L' U: l. C3 ]2 V2 z1 [+ P

. O5 k' I2 U+ T) QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 E: O+ r. Y5 D3 g
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: k- f$ {2 M! A1 U* }. ]
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& Q* e( g' o/ F! s5 b3 z
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... u; B/ Y# [0 c8 N/ L' |' g
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: q! k. E* R- L% B4 u* F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 z. \9 |# ]! ]: B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 G; a3 V# m4 H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?$ `+ a6 ^/ u( p5 n& b

# z- `, d& W6 R/ }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' H- t. A! Z( _1 x$ QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" q- D- M: ?9 I9 i- i0 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& p4 t) I7 T) s; d"不信也沒損失"
. e1 D3 J. V4 M6 A, o/ q9 f7 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) v% k. P! ?. y# v* q# G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
( |; }, B2 Q" H+ q* V1 Q  c6 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( w$ d( s/ ~% n- }) s" g4 rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" d7 A( _1 e  }' `只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! D4 s- V# L" i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' a$ g8 |( w( i% G  r這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) l" U1 A' b1 h, v( ~  k: d) \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 P# G/ w1 z5 p8 i1 k, ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 r3 f' ^& @2 [7 x4 N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* e$ _( A- x7 ?6 D1 j* e# F# |% C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ r4 p/ Q- x3 i4 c8 p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." h1 R& {0 X, j' {" `
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% P. X& P* c8 k' s  j8 T! E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ C% j- h$ u) m- ]9 k
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 v- Z- g% j' I- M; N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 |5 t/ f' J! D, l, N/ K.............信耶穌... ...

( h. Y. D6 F* o, j6 DRegarding the resurrection....# b5 r# I  p- m
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ R+ \7 {# r5 i3 u

6 K/ u; s* W  e/ M& iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.