Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  g; x6 o( F5 o" |6 ]9 X' V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% |! L6 h; a6 _3 H2 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. b& G& ^& h, }+ O
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  [8 _) Z, S% `# q  h' |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: F& h: X" x$ W- z9 s, yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 N: o' _' @( D
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! w  `# ]- U9 F# O* n3 H* R3 mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ {4 [$ S+ k# R; E' x. \' j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) J/ g+ k* N5 H2 a6 I) c( E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人2 E' y0 M% C+ n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 h, a5 m8 X# F& |1 ]+ M/ D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 T) ^! H7 g* G& q: w- S& F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 \5 G5 O% `# l* D" [& \) c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 x- Q% {5 h1 C. J, d( W$ A1 q0 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( o5 Y9 @  H2 \2 B5 ^0 ?3 SWhat a statement we have here?! n5 s( _3 d# Y8 H$ w5 v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 d9 ?0 G, H$ V

" Q8 A; b9 I0 K" ?; `+ f2 qI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' o0 m6 i" l/ QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; T: [  R* ~7 P; E7 X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  @1 X& B7 n/ x( a$ s5 c& o) Z" T"不信也沒損失"
# g) z$ g0 C( X' r# WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' u/ Z6 h  b- t+ Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ^2 N) Q% t" \; M) Q
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% l8 ^9 O6 m1 @/ p; J2 @7 y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ D% @' }5 T4 t# g# M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, k  C- e& K& j/ h/ O) j0 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% f' z1 ]* I8 L% |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 R! s. k; a! u2 T' V: L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, c' n: _; l9 I: _

; I$ b9 {9 V7 R% A# P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* ?1 Y" V; S* @& l( u3 Q  [# ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& R; A  Y1 \" i* i# }# ?
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 `/ `0 O& z' k+ Y8 G" r1 U
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( s2 B8 G2 m- [$ N0 d5 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 A  r$ N' Y- x7 D3 ?1 x" P! k以下是其他人的見解,4 Y) X- k6 o; n( ~. e, _+ C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) x* Y$ `( T% b" j& m

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  S! u; k$ A6 Y8 d- P% _3 q7 Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: R" E. i  \9 C: x# n! i.............信耶穌... ...

& h/ |1 D$ r$ c. {  ?2 K: ^5 hRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.