Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ F8 e/ q" ~% L+ K$ H3 C我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) P6 Y9 ~6 ]$ x4 K6 q! v& M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' q. Q) H+ g' M
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. S2 W8 y/ o# x0 g' |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 B& m" t' p7 V3 v2 K. `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, f! I6 D  n- R9 x: Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ j: v4 ~  S# x9 q# A! `. S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( @. L9 I6 a: ?
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," ^: n  V* x- d& E( N+ W* x2 }& H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: P) X  X: \  k4 t" P7 }7 b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 X1 Z6 c3 Q! y, O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) \4 B; r0 X: r6 S* C% @

- e! U7 R7 x# M) d4 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" ?4 }- q+ `8 U/ h' H& a3 [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; ?% h& o. J& v! ]& ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ w6 c" E; a" K$ EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., T, l: O) S& @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 B  k+ g' p! q2 Y' y% \! H
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it's starting because we have sins......# i! `; U( H$ b' D. r5 U% A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * P$ d& A$ g2 g: F7 k+ A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", {( x3 z' ~6 N) {# N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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; o9 R0 E+ |" X3 _2 g$ g" l4 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: K/ c5 N! B; }: Q7 ], a8 z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: S, {/ l1 H2 x* X. ^. y5 ~* E: L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( H6 Z5 V2 Z/ P0 O) C( w; X6 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 K# T1 _8 w* u3 f. D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 C1 C1 _+ _; x: r6 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ g' i7 D, U2 l. P9 N' f以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: @/ n, I* j1 ?* F

/ e0 ]5 G6 y# L6 ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 K  r% R, X: ~2 U* i6 u% R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 I6 q! r6 G) D/ H4 C4 Q# j
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 @( j$ |3 n+ w) l6 k! _( b: ~5 i9 d
.............信耶穌... ...

  F) @+ }9 t# V" u8 g0 B; [* wRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" g) D0 \# n1 N" n# OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.