Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' X5 ]- L. Q$ T) @+ n& x, _" l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 w" K2 A3 {% Y4 F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* Z& B; V$ _) N: ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到- |2 a/ r0 D5 H9 M+ [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) K. I! Z& l! q: sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) h% f! C% o8 q% ~+ b/ H
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 _4 ~4 F7 M/ v2 O- I

" m' Y" w. w, Q) x% \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* s; r0 n/ F3 I" `
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 `* A( i5 B/ t' O我只不過微小的基督徒...................: r0 ~/ d6 r8 S$ J/ K% s
真的!!這不是反話
  i2 E: E# G) w因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- ^! B" F" q# u5 ^4 z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 ?9 Y$ B' m- ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 t7 F% V. G9 o- B1 Y" o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ N4 ^8 X. y( d8 s# P+ W

0 ?8 J9 G5 X3 X- ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' F. }" ]8 [- }0 I+ Y  B3 d: _& G7 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 j. G' j0 R) s$ R0 a0 H4 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) K" a3 U3 T& Y) f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: X! r( O9 J* n3 k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; U3 y( ?; S: D9 t) a. W+ k6 o5 lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( `6 L( Z0 g/ B2 |1 {1 p+ L" j! ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 A  I+ m, Z' H( g# O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( Q- W  k/ e' ^' `1 A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 v6 S# e+ v# B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& F; P' V% `0 b. |/ p9 u. S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& N9 a# Q7 z* Y. r7 d: u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 i+ N% p5 ]! ^/ u2 R# b# J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 r9 n5 u0 K9 Z- Q+ D3 g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ _$ h- K2 z9 s+ ~% ?1 v) S2 ?/ ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 M7 s- d3 l0 W# S9 J8 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  _# @+ H6 i, M
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以下是其他人的見解,! N& l6 P& D8 a9 K0 S" M& {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 K' |4 u2 K- \) j, o9 v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm' |, P  Z- r' |2 U) W

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. @) i# d8 }& }- |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- Y4 v3 A2 D8 X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 f) @! Z( ]+ Y) g% l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ \; a  @# }7 ^) W( [9 k) e
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 _+ r# z0 X" {& j4 ^) ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! v( l5 {$ z, |: Q  }" {

& y1 J$ u$ [! T/ ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) F. C, C" m0 ~5 W$ FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.