Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  g/ K2 ]: m5 [8 N  Q/ q7 @, j" E7 @2 P* U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 h* b# {$ o* j' S. ~- G6 v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 T& c, G2 Y6 `3 H, |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 G0 {' }, B2 n5 f* ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 Z1 A3 f2 H- k( V3 KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 J* o( `- c! t8 g) R7 u

" w) a* O4 A  T" W( eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 }" `: D* v6 n; N3 b5 _; u

! o7 u+ J" U5 G# H0 A$ Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ c* _. N% b+ c7 L; Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 J3 D) E- p) Q- Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& g, H5 ^  i$ E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ m, r+ a+ M( _& _真的!!這不是反話
& G5 p4 R/ }* M$ E因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 m' }& q+ n1 n+ `5 N2 \: l9 q# {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. o1 m/ E" c/ `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; K" }( k4 p/ V/ Z- r" D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; j/ Q. i, M% g- w/ J- ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' ~3 o5 R1 H* d7 CWhat a statement we have here?
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* R9 {5 y6 N" ]+ X+ s3 lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 k+ J+ @/ ^1 \' sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 {' |* b7 \% w- C. ^

8 G* m4 L% K  E4 m1 N  aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 y; \$ V2 n, o( @

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( o  j' R' F+ R, d- }2 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 O2 g- I. D: I0 Y! t: B"不信也沒損失"
! \6 R6 k1 y) M/ D7 n) i5 O- ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. O% h! R! m, [& J6 C$ mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 O$ D* |% Q. g2 [6 p

# @' y( a- a9 j* l. Y" @7 N* \2 ^# lit's starting because we have sins......
3 F' N) G9 \) M  r3 V: ^$ Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 d' P# z# d$ r% kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 c8 W3 J4 D! l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 i2 B8 W9 C5 ?1 N8 f0 ?' }( e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 U* D9 p/ g4 Q$ l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) X" T" d: X" K: i8 i+ W7 y7 M+ \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  ]9 C! ?; q4 w2 U7 D# y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: C- S& S/ W; R- c

8 L* @4 E$ _8 f, v+ l7 F8 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% {! q( A: v+ F/ p! z5 J. a# }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 a- ]" C4 L, i$ K9 d& z0 {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; _) U! l8 a1 M. M改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) n; V+ e3 s; A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 Q$ k6 A; {8 r
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, a& t0 z. a$ ~  u6 W- M: f5 j, ]

# B$ p1 O$ e' e' N0 z9 u! h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; V* ^( ]! `) D. b. q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( h+ v3 \# y6 A3 A以下是其他人的見解,
5 ]+ g  `6 I! V, p" z; p3 ]& v看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
; i" Y- u) w! W3 ^" K) chttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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+ `' }0 t* D: \6 f8 Q  c8 }7 ]$ p& w[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" O% G: a; U) j0 B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* ?* ~$ S. |: v' ]2 v/ P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ M% `. X. N# M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ q, ?$ A& \! {6 W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' }' r: t# T0 i  M2 q/ O% t1 k.............信耶穌... ...

! w  a9 f  c5 c- r" ?Regarding the resurrection....5 v$ `9 l) d; V. F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.