Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 j& k: Y1 Z* `( \! \$ t0 J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 I, M2 [7 N! s9 I& U; Z9 r. y1 j) u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! l' ?. p  X$ I1 G  x- [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  M, P3 [8 R9 e8 z" j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; b7 _4 U- X2 ~9 g7 o' ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 g3 v, }/ H5 h4 l

, G% t, k# |" [2 G0 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 {) I) `6 a& s. p3 i3 H# Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 [% C% a& b$ e+ B8 A5 c1 h我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 e3 H/ Q0 x3 }0 ?因為我是情感比理性強的人- v/ N1 J+ y9 H, s1 E- i  s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," O5 a+ U: P) g; O6 I' i9 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. v0 `; \" n# f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 C& o6 K% p2 B0 _  _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ l, a: Q2 x1 \8 b2 K* |What a statement we have here?' y, I& o: W6 ?+ L3 [

+ ~: x. W' k) d( M) W/ |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( L% j+ o# S: _( V+ v

# a7 J3 {5 G- J0 r7 y1 [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 G6 s$ s( D0 D) W9 I/ t

. x( `/ n$ ~9 [2 ?3 N! y* G$ F' vLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 `8 A/ I7 X- z7 C8 J' v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 n, {$ n4 k3 O  G* f"不信也沒損失"
  D3 Z$ y9 y8 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; ^; r. Y! V  ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 T' h( \: |4 ^: _0 h' l

: ]; P+ t1 H9 m; }& x8 `: oit's starting because we have sins......' g2 t, x' d5 O6 s  d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- ~# c! {! i- h/ [" Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* X7 N  |* j! g( i2 h0 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* A) D. r, F. G, f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# q0 a9 H" ]$ u  m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 `& u  W% Q, n' W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 W- @4 ]  q  f  ?( |% o8 X: x  _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 e' n9 U! M/ D0 \

! p5 r7 Y) P9 k, |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 B. J) R5 w; C2 i/ |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) \2 \, I' [) _- `! }8 y
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以下是其他人的見解,
2 p9 k8 B0 T: L5 e看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. G5 d# ^1 M+ Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) Z% H' _! ~6 j1 V, `, I4 N0 D# W
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ u# x5 o. L- o1 a- q1 K( I4 K# P
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 L$ G# |! T2 D$ q9 P
.............信耶穌... ...

) P6 @( F8 D4 A4 ]6 Y. XRegarding the resurrection....- I8 a7 g7 l0 T; Y5 Y

) I' O# H: |; i0 V, qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 y8 N: z2 D% m. g" W! yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.