Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 E0 {$ K. @) l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- p6 c+ I# a8 z& Y( V道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 v4 x- @5 z! V2 |3 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- l2 H: s, n$ l3 M, h  s: LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; P' R  n$ u4 x  g' Y* p; q9 jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# l: j. L" Y& Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# q- E1 q  a1 o# pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話( }: A+ }0 |* v* u; [% {2 K
因為我是情感比理性強的人; z! o1 X4 |+ h2 F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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: o) i# r6 j# A5 g  `3 X6 cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 S+ H( N. U7 ^, R2 |% J' TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  u& {0 |/ T  U2 h/ OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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2 [/ R0 D. a; [8 N"不信也沒損失"
5 _+ [; q1 k2 N: l# ~4 ?) uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' o1 N! M6 Q: ?2 l' l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& p. ?9 g4 l6 Y( H$ d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 {1 N* m7 I! F' R! i' h- lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  n3 c; F+ n3 N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' ~8 B2 q4 p- _5 S4 a
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, m, S# S& `* E* k" B宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 Y0 R7 O' }) n+ u3 Y/ a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 `9 z! g! Z! s7 y" F8 I! a- K' K7 ]# I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: a7 P9 y2 o  V5 Y) o6 h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( F! G$ e/ @  a. ], O' A4 L( E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 e% [6 G3 F! g; b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ C: p8 E- u7 r9 Y

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