Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 b& ^. k) b6 Q) J8 B我係一個連自己都吳信的人: X3 ?( W6 v" I; D( h) }/ o1 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ l) e! x2 V$ {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* Q' c7 ]/ }9 B
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- }! R. c% |# K- `/ PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: X8 @2 g1 f+ z9 h7 L, v9 H% R

- a" l6 L# J; e  S* n% kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 j& e% N, v& `- U( p$ D% `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 g; X1 `' r9 {: c/ x  Lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ s, Q9 v/ e! j+ {& k9 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# O! `* L* u( v) v0 ]4 J! |因為我是情感比理性強的人8 |- s' v/ [9 R9 k) k. B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. |: R9 K1 q- K; \0 k4 [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 b: G8 s8 z$ @! I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# `2 H2 x5 l3 D9 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' p0 F* A- L( v0 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 V* B5 `8 E$ C' qWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  f, r, g0 p) p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 z$ i0 V( b" \7 h$ ~8 ]
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 v/ Q! l6 Y, F5 i( H: `# v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 L  z8 J* f  Y1 o5 L  s6 OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- X' Y8 `; a, B- |) H! m# s2 f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ _6 Q7 _$ Z$ j. {it's starting because we have sins......& h4 B6 A  ]9 M. M; q# C7 a% s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ D9 t0 _# d( D3 Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% f  i5 O: s5 R0 z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 W5 A( x$ z- _+ X6 Q1 a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. B' P  j( L% y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 b7 Q: {! E8 d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 G. f3 v& n1 }) A; Q, A. a1 P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 f& P4 b+ j7 Y6 c9 Y% P( l1 B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 P9 r3 p  U7 j- w) W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 e! J- g% K# s& i

7 n, w  H* [$ W7 ]: {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
. a' j: C9 g, m+ h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( i: o" E9 C2 L  u. D& ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 O( l7 l' Q6 p

6 S- H% F; T* Y2 e& }宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 R6 m) a1 \: w0 r* O7 S$ B

0 V3 v' ~  y7 \# f$ I' H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& L! v% w/ v* z% P$ \" v- j9 a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, e! {# l0 K' C以下是其他人的見解,
4 ~! x& g( m' t4 s7 F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& f1 T/ I: p$ ?7 [7 Y* e1 u8 O$ [6 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 d" Z$ `9 @2 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 N% g8 y; C' V.............信耶穌... ...

( `# ^% @( B  ?$ U" Z  n0 j+ g  }Regarding the resurrection....  X8 F9 x% F% r# a

) u7 u# z* N# M1 FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.