Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. g) j8 g( O; h, d. ?8 v: P* N2 [/ E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ Q; a1 v) B: w* t, m4 NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! d0 {  ^. N7 Z4 V; v0 b! C) f
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# o+ I* F+ E) `$ K- B5 h: G; O
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; m# A; }( b6 u! H2 p. D2 o) U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; E3 R7 Y& ]9 ^' Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; u+ p( ?7 C: U$ {7 \, ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 y1 l; F1 r1 s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ ^. I; T# X- Z' Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ z& s2 F, r' W* {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 E$ M" k1 s9 r/ ~1 D/ E% h

' y9 i$ p+ |0 H; o6 n8 Z/ UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ Y* L' R5 }. V! V* C% {
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 y" j' M3 G# ]# O$ i+ g& y! O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 _% S, N# {) \6 _# i
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( d: O3 S' H/ n1 F2 ~+ o
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it's starting because we have sins......
' |$ r1 c# j' g$ K+ q. Y1 Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * l- E6 b" Y4 m0 l/ z1 ]6 k* X1 W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 O/ u2 s; c3 ~2 q/ G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' a' j1 M, a1 i$ c# w  q( M9 |8 N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ H0 l/ ?0 _' l6 R; @- R0 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 G  J2 u5 ~, q7 ?

  I( b1 {: x( ], y- f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, F: N: m" ~8 m: v! l- m% q3 y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, E  C4 C) V, ~, ?, ~& e7 e2 ?6 ?
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, I* C% `# \/ \% v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,. M1 |/ t: T2 a7 L7 F2 t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 P& `0 r7 G: S  c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 {3 K4 x" [5 d$ _# Q4 J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 P+ j; C$ x. e, m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  M; L6 S& G& e
.............信耶穌... ...

' v/ `. @* W; x. b9 |1 kRegarding the resurrection....
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$ y% Z- F' S/ r+ ^$ YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.