Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. U; b* i. j- o: l# W6 v$ I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; N5 h: c+ ?; Q, ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% Q- m( b7 E' C3 l: ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 m  d. Z0 b0 m$ c1 Y2 W5 n1 B9 y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 e: y3 P/ y3 n2 z; p$ i9 MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ U2 y5 q; w& K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- m0 \. ?% `8 h% q+ Z( u

9 |. |8 {$ n1 E! E( {4 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 A+ y5 f4 \  Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ e& H3 @/ [( L5 o  C- R0 S0 T我只不過微小的基督徒...................* e% V# u8 y& [
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 ?" u% b2 G  }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 i1 R  G# _" ~) T9 `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 j; a- z; s) E& R1 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- r. X. R$ T2 z% ^( DWhat a statement we have here?3 _; S* }& |6 ?$ J3 H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 r6 E) P' |( j& J. `
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! H7 r8 A; A& \( X, `5 X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% r4 R0 W2 g* P1 X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- O& ]' j0 k$ T! w3 n0 e( a; r- H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., V: m; t* d5 j" [1 ?
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it's starting because we have sins......; |8 K$ j: Q2 ?+ C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 D$ T0 T' y, D2 n8 v! O- D( S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  {2 ]5 O$ B' B/ [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 k1 ~; D+ ~) k3 ~$ a6 O8 J2 x4 `/ F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' |3 p+ ~6 Q) B8 U$ q  v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  o/ T! O) a* v, y% _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 {' P1 q0 Q" |/ Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 A' L& T. b+ e9 N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ X; [7 Y7 W/ e$ R改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' O1 V5 X$ _. q4 G! N
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." g5 u7 o" ]: ^. P1 j- P& p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 ]0 s* |- K- y3 V: I8 Q- o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: C! s! o4 s6 Z( T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, \8 Y! z% w' A2 ]; K# {' ]2 ]

1 M% w8 Q8 H4 \. ^以下是其他人的見解,& j; j9 t' B6 Y6 V! O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- U! A/ ~# A: e! Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm5 p* |: ^/ S( @+ q" w" p7 S

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: q- ~2 q4 }  k% o" R

- Q4 u' z& _' f, ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ S$ r6 x+ M- S% u2 M" b8 N/ r2 k
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" H" T  U: p7 r# p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 Z6 y6 e: z; f0 s* }
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( i2 a7 J8 J+ r6 X- V1 W6 T5 a.............信耶穌... ...

3 p, a" ~; J, ]Regarding the resurrection....% d1 g/ S0 ~4 A% D4 r: M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.