Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# U1 k- w7 N& h' L3 q  k5 L4 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 S" P: q- a0 z$ Z7 O0 f, `) z; C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 ^1 k" O) V' E( F/ |. D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" w! n! e3 y8 XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; p) c. ]3 G  S. C( c$ W. Z0 B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  n5 g& b2 i- e9 ?% ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: A- I1 i& Z. q/ z+ m4 c9 l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ t% _' w9 ]0 v* _) g  r我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' m- f' O8 z+ m& X/ g- u8 W- u真的!!這不是反話8 Z$ T1 q7 F% y, ~5 W! U6 {
因為我是情感比理性強的人, z" u4 Z' p  ]) M5 v3 K7 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 A2 z1 J8 F% D. q; I, v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 _8 N' j+ p" [, g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 E/ s  L0 n' S- K# Q' p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  |- g' A$ y  j6 h5 ~0 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% ~0 j) v: U9 P# H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 z( B9 ]0 h7 F) ^0 }

3 |7 W' V& X9 _; X% [1 oI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: m+ \4 l3 Y3 U$ S0 O

6 \& _' e5 p$ ?8 C' s. w, N- H4 qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 w' ]& Q- h) R: e2 {% h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( M5 l- i! u* G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 L' _* V) X' L" Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 L; U, P0 I- k
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it's starting because we have sins......$ ~3 `/ L/ b8 C; Z, c" ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / v* o% v+ x# }. Q+ a* l/ N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. p- @5 D# j* C2 W; c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" f6 ?6 j( y6 A$ Q) T# p  |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- e* \6 v6 U$ p' W$ `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 k+ l) ]5 D- ~0 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& y5 [) ], \, w- K, B& [4 ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 Q4 `  y( l3 n3 F7 o" T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 s" T4 C+ N( [: G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, @9 P; x: L2 b, o
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  D3 W) m9 f2 Y: T5 w: r% ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 |! G5 k2 t+ h: F: W0 D8 a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 `, e) Y8 j" h( W/ w( ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' W# B( O/ u) c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 _; ~( N' Y6 P: c% P# C3 I  C8 a& ]以下是其他人的見解,* N, n* P5 ^, G" n$ a+ O$ W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' M& `9 `7 Q; f! v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' f6 s/ N0 M5 |0 t: f

8 z; Y  ?. {6 M9 a/ N9 D5 M* b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) r6 p9 d% ~/ r* I) Z.............信耶穌... ...

- d  j( e! T1 Q; o0 \3 a* wRegarding the resurrection....: H; B; K5 B6 @) n( L7 z

6 `$ v8 G3 V( \, r* }# q8 s: fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., l- W9 n3 v% D

$ v9 C2 y) [; d4 X! T0 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.