Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 s1 o) t7 S4 P7 Q  G# h& }+ o我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ t0 ~7 V7 f- d* \3 G% D7 f3 Z' ?8 r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 R) g7 J: A9 s  v" r8 T
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 D8 H$ K$ b! U$ _1 B
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 y( q, J5 E8 F9 e; U
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# }- A3 H) ]- i. F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ o% w! [6 s* {% I( x/ Z2 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& B; G% [$ k1 `2 j6 \; S: g3 T" ~$ N
真的!!這不是反話" P6 R7 h) \: f, ]7 N/ P* t
因為我是情感比理性強的人* _& K% j1 F8 B" H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ R2 d5 w" @3 p8 O2 m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- y- H8 O# `, ?( W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 S$ o* O1 P2 l( u* e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 Q  M/ N2 @- K! N' t& a; r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ v- q6 d; T0 L: l

; c3 _, z* k5 B9 p; d2 _3 ^9 AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . w- i; O: z5 o- Y

% \- ?& M& g2 [2 w* ?/ q$ pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! y/ f' a. W6 Y: f

, u/ J3 \. Z* hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 D5 B0 e# p. \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" J$ c/ i/ Q; X9 T) _7 c! q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" i7 H, A! P! \' m+ F1 o"不信也沒損失"! {* U9 }# j/ I2 B8 b3 t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... X  N) h2 z; J! B+ C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., o3 d8 \* ?& }7 e0 f

3 e, l/ L# `8 {/ Q7 C2 @it's starting because we have sins......
- O* {1 N% o' s/ esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* E5 W9 M- ?' ?3 q# I7 `2 f& qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ Y  D/ c& Q' D, H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% n* p* }8 ^) o* [! }, m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ I2 l( C+ {' K' z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* H% r7 K& k* E: A+ U$ `8 [5 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# u" N' S, j: f; b7 x0 E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: b' s( i* g/ \; Q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! t+ i" H9 J7 h+ O$ M7 O- c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; t2 I6 w: d$ @) a5 D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- y$ m6 a. z, `改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: c- Q& L* Z$ {' s+ n2 f4 N3 t( v* T1 Z2 m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# o- O" t  `& }  \( o: A
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- K) A0 ]) \9 x+ L3 \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' a+ ~8 L. z2 |- _6 H以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 b3 B/ D  c! K) i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 ~3 B" t2 o$ h' t; @0 x; B) j

7 O+ U" z( |; [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 B7 @' H2 E; `! O1 ~; u( s/ Z.............信耶穌... ...

7 M( c# r, r& I$ @2 Z% R. _# BRegarding the resurrection....& q# A  I; F' Q0 X, `7 z9 I  s
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# `$ p, H, C1 {4 U; ^  X

. U0 _% @2 [) M; H3 G- A' N& J; dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.