Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 v# ~7 T+ H: V8 R) D" J6 y$ g' T$ A& Q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 t- F% r0 s/ u  {$ R呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 x' K( q4 n* v7 O. tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# u# u  G( y% ~. {1 O/ u2 A
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' ~' u2 E! c" j

$ z" p/ u) F; C# ]% r& M+ Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 ?$ _! z+ r" C$ ^5 V
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- G7 v* o% l3 ]' S$ o6 Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 y* p/ K3 i7 S% f& d我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 D  F9 D( I* D0 ^8 e# H
真的!!這不是反話
; c4 G5 }6 h: ]8 [" n% H; \6 o因為我是情感比理性強的人, m1 y/ A9 c& m! \5 d8 a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 |7 F1 y: K1 @7 i) \! A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 i* Z( [6 X# v' f2 G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 D- e7 r# w  W. k+ @" S0 A/ I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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/ |& n" R% V7 {4 {5 }0 b/ x# O0 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' j- N7 m9 O4 {: k9 N+ DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& D" A: `' }; a8 S  q: T" C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( G! j' U6 d, X+ X"不信也沒損失"
1 s; U3 x. V0 z6 lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 Y& G$ c% F8 c% f3 |but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......+ x% a" ^; C, ?! @! u2 b3 ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 @. ]4 b  I2 a4 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 G9 S2 Y, \& J, f# O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 p9 m" p6 \/ c$ i6 f4 i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- O% ^+ b5 d7 h& r- Y9 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! F' a6 H: A) D4 Z) V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 D4 e) S* w) U2 b! S. i& e% X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 d7 U4 W/ R5 r7 E+ v& K9 x

1 {' ]' x/ n. \7 I2 S" ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 C$ t& g+ H% W8 g! J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ }+ h" b7 S0 ~; ~

: a+ Z, a) ~  N" y8 C7 |% y! _% y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ _! ]/ l  e: m- Y4 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) F, ^' K3 S2 z, {; X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: s, S" b1 |+ {8 T$ ^, B宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) p6 Q- C0 u2 V1 ^' a9 i' {) r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 W! z( L! H" J, a: T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 ?/ a6 [& a# g- i: W& B7 V0 [

+ j9 n3 l! H0 |2 G以下是其他人的見解,* B, D" w. ?9 I# S& @/ ]) F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. u- p, ^1 W3 t+ F
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" K4 c' D; C) o* R6 _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" o1 u7 M4 b5 P' w" g

& h, y9 Q* t8 a( G7 T4 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  M! p4 n' s+ Z7 W4 h

6 F' B  s% u. E. R, r' S6 o8 e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; L! U# Y" c5 |4 V3 ]. {
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 f# e' l( d% B
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 d% c: B# L1 a. K) F- ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.