Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; p8 T: R% I+ s- w$ q) V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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6 k$ h. C& `& G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* T! C) J5 E* |9 W) ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: o* v# e' ^/ ?, \% l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" a4 w$ t$ E1 i5 d& r8 H$ d+ }4 b' A9 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 w; c0 E6 B( ~. y/ I- B# y; |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' i2 e* d8 @6 k+ d
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." V& W9 B8 E9 C
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 B. z4 Y( Z- \$ E! T6 L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ h# L6 T0 X; i0 M  n) [. k& r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& ~7 H) W3 |& GWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* ?7 R* S' _: g$ N; B9 D

1 s; P5 B* n% j) v; zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 f% u6 u+ z0 ]3 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 p' m& P$ }" g8 `1 B4 ?"不信也沒損失"
4 f" D5 M7 `/ ~4 k! d' \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 b5 f/ j! {7 R8 A# g* ~8 l- n4 B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......! p9 H& u5 V; f' Y( a% T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' ~, q* F+ z. H2 U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% S; D  P6 b9 r# X9 b+ J' k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ r# |0 P. C' _8 N4 i* a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 `7 }" V( x- w! t- @- h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 i0 k6 x, h/ E
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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) p8 s! W2 y! y, L1 \- s- y; S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 l' X1 ?5 A, r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& P% W; ?: O; y7 P) P' h3 c5 l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ m+ ]: R) V* D& N宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, L" l/ D! b3 e4 T6 y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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7 N3 I: L9 _7 v) X8 H% ^; r以下是其他人的見解,; ^5 }4 S# T7 {; [! q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ b$ d7 u; S3 X5 ~6 n) J; G; ?
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 `* y& C+ S$ ?- _8 L8 {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ N4 h4 a- }5 I+ u7 J.............信耶穌... ...

0 e8 f5 p/ |. z- SRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* n* y! K* y* V2 ?* \0 {3 Z: ^

! V3 U. V8 U6 _5 x" u  X5 eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.