Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ m9 V* O, ~* |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) X' |6 u$ Y7 |2 ~1 k7 |+ |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* K1 r2 Y( T6 k7 s( S0 W' Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: H3 _% M7 J; e$ n4 B1 Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( n& _5 l. x! e! H  S& T3 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, |+ @7 l* b0 w8 r; }3 A& A+ u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( `. a( V/ @$ _
真的!!這不是反話: ?. B; H* C4 @; N
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# p8 C0 |  l2 o! Q, z( u4 }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, X! w+ e+ g3 L$ p3 F/ y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 w" ~/ |) j: h. y8 S0 FWhat a statement we have here?
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# a9 n8 t3 P* q( v( Y) |9 ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% v8 b) J5 d2 v( I: r- D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ l) B8 s- m- C& m9 h"不信也沒損失"4 o3 @% A+ y; {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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0 Q4 f$ T: T- x) l, Hit's starting because we have sins......) O/ u0 {/ W5 l$ ~8 f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 n, }2 Z: K2 g8 Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' y1 C" y* G  p( ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, @* B/ n& D. Q2 _$ g5 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 p: _9 t# D0 D8 ~" q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ H; s) y6 B$ I# Y' Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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2 }1 d/ }8 m; S. ]4 `- P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 L" Z4 Q9 _! `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# a6 v# R- W: L( Y7 V1 ?, O0 |+ t; j+ G
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' ]( Y$ S2 T  L# l, G: z, \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' m5 O( A: O1 D2 f( c3 V/ G6 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: j$ }. ~; T1 F2 F
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 n8 ]8 ]# I" }* }# Z& H2 d! M3 I" B.............信耶穌... ...

% g" R4 k  }9 Q. Y; }Regarding the resurrection....* s1 S1 u! J/ E# J9 [6 ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 {8 @0 Z0 i  F/ w4 X: Z6 r7 B

6 ]! Q% B+ s! \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.