Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% ~' E% x7 w1 g) E( F9 d道理我知道好多只係做吳到# _2 N2 l$ D# f) b- q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% `/ Q+ M  E8 D8 q. z8 `5 B# g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) E2 \2 `+ O1 w1 s9 p2 d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ L6 ]; O8 y+ z. M  Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ R" U1 K3 a! k' ]& D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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% Y9 m& k! R- H" t/ X2 u3 L因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' Q8 l$ x' \1 y8 o5 M) u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) ^* g2 Z$ ?$ Z) t. N/ z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& Z* p+ t( i* p, z! b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ l% m2 C/ u4 q! h) c! M) B% U1 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" u) Q" x3 x) p* BWhat a statement we have here?/ l% k9 p0 N! Y3 T; U7 }6 m

. z. f9 m8 s- f  [$ bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- q# L$ _8 M9 q% Z; D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% q' \6 z6 R8 H: g/ ?" H5 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( e3 H" H# O9 B+ ]4 Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 s. [1 @; _  ^1 `" a% M" K# h, Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ ?/ y+ @! W: w2 Q" Z& Fit's starting because we have sins......
0 Y1 G; L  c( b$ E$ ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ |' A# A- B% G0 b9 |& b2 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# b. G1 {% N/ V6 g6 G" }8 e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- x2 I; h( [% N1 c5 s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, P4 n3 p2 b- u4 p4 I9 D, x9 R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 j1 g" K2 Z% V& @+ t% z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( z% {  _0 o) `7 l' ]" |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 }* v, Z5 v* n/ W

: A: a8 E* U& c; }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 [+ v0 s& i3 o2 F* m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: `* n; q* L5 Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. ^0 A) ]# l; C+ h9 u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- k( @' i- G, b5 E8 g4 s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' x" }4 F( }- i( _9 w+ Q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ T, C1 {* w6 {- o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 g, l8 g1 \' a& m0 n/ V$ V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- g7 T5 W3 C% [: h. C* M* w

; C8 E+ y* u/ e$ E  @1 Z5 L以下是其他人的見解,2 u6 d$ P4 o! s( W) b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 t0 Q  V* h) u* k4 [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  a8 _, ]. p. I1 u9 ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: b+ i$ B, E! e" X

6 X0 q8 m6 V2 ~! XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.