Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; T* S6 R% K$ ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ z: n4 L7 y' ?; @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 q( F7 y) A# u( q" k/ MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, T5 _* |. t2 n$ W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., Y, f' D7 ^1 X  u$ R: M% P9 b. W

# r! p( g: ~+ ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) h" K, I9 ~* `; q6 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% t6 C! ~6 R  ]$ D/ m( L$ p) v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 k2 W/ P0 ~- Z. J; N2 U
真的!!這不是反話, r5 x  U1 i2 `0 B
因為我是情感比理性強的人- Q1 q8 \; I, q# R( J; x6 j0 E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 H, y. c7 B5 k8 _) P; m; N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( X* A0 h, L6 ?0 s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 d9 t0 ^6 w/ P/ {, I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; M! \2 y# A: Z. u

! @( X: i* c6 F/ G. yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  S$ F% u( ^& B; X9 KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ y4 ]" _  n) S! R# w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ m3 N0 e8 x6 j% Z8 x+ ?% [
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- K9 H2 _8 {" r& ?% v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' E4 S7 L; Z5 e; M+ kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ P% c1 o+ D  u/ W- f9 S
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it's starting because we have sins......
% a# I- C; ~% `# X% Zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 U9 V& Y( s( E7 o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& a* t- V) c" Q# A5 z( C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: R0 l& ?% R% g) a$ M- H% @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ t, f0 n2 a/ b9 W$ H
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 V+ U4 z/ b( v1 G/ z, L' z1 r$ n+ z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ j5 w1 i" Y, g" x5 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 w, }) U% l/ {; ]" Q/ i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( X& p; N5 c: n# P( F" X6 k! j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 m6 M5 s) ~& e9 c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# H7 G- }0 o: o9 P, n, `
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% k* i4 v$ ]( ~

- K6 b4 {, w$ H5 \: p- i  e, _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* t/ Y  {! f7 p4 ~4 X, w' g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. q0 W4 D; F6 u( a; N
.............信耶穌... ...

2 g" t9 W! a4 u- r3 VRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' d& q; o" b6 O, {1 ^2 |- M
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.