Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" K" s6 X  f' m9 S8 a& ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, [% U& C# Q$ I& ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 X1 r0 O% q' d2 w- H道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 H2 _( n& z7 z$ g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 b& X; Q& g. _$ F3 b3 i- U
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... [6 e4 j0 o  D' e) Z3 o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& W5 C& C6 i+ l' O7 \: Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 m. k8 s8 O# i$ `2 p我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 c3 q) _$ p, d0 j真的!!這不是反話8 E: ?! Z1 [6 w7 @1 E+ U; u
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# L6 S& Y5 O0 d7 j2 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ u6 \2 I5 K) C4 ?- g& ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' }8 Y* N% G$ j! N; e- w1 |# P6 B

. r' a( {% |% K  L; aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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" ]* [' d  a# C' H% H& v"不信也沒損失"1 A; h, I. b' Y2 I: H7 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 Z: M1 T2 t) i0 j5 O/ b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  t# [6 o" Z" e5 Q

, O4 L, {7 |% Git's starting because we have sins......  }) G0 w$ [- p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' g5 w( Q! s' e  U  F2 rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  g1 C; v2 @( `- [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: X( v% O5 N. m# t, P6 H: V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) ^4 ]8 d6 _/ e, z% r, n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# I9 v2 C' K$ z/ B6 O3 E  \6 w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* |3 e6 `$ x3 q5 X好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 B, A2 k% _* K+ q3 D$ q' }, _

, K8 u3 K8 H- q4 _9 n2 m; {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) x8 Z" V7 y/ N# _3 U& C! ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& l0 f8 Z- ?4 T& |1 U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 k" Y4 ~; Z+ v
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ m% |5 c, H( l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ H4 h# z; r) v% D' Q
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& l4 D& o# g& i  l7 m8 ~/ a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) c. T9 N- }1 o7 `" v1 `

" ]4 Q5 ^0 f9 e0 Y9 a( N" k3 z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  K0 B! ~: I2 C( p  s* @

  [+ e5 Z; s1 B7 @' r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; m0 G7 X, D' C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% C3 Q9 k, S- H+ p& i/ E7 [4 k.............信耶穌... ...

* D3 u+ Q3 y( yRegarding the resurrection....
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7 P/ Q# z# [; E7 `2 v  j& IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.