Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# }" p& Y. L/ H. L我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ |; y: x0 C4 r, h: m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# i; }1 g3 [, i: g0 l/ N; v4 L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 v1 n2 U% j5 p: s& B$ yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 u8 z) X0 K1 G) a* i& T3 a! SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' I& z0 S1 p" t9 R3 l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 z9 c2 U$ \' Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ J( e  \' S+ S: H+ V; L我只不過微小的基督徒...................! v) e8 j- W  b" x
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ O0 |" b/ z# I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 g+ p; q* T# T0 @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 M4 [7 g: x8 i' n' U3 kWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 P: q% O/ Z- a( `7 ^% P
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: y1 r5 z9 ~: C* `
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, w0 m) n. U/ c3 }- E9 S"不信也沒損失"7 ?, \* r' R' v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% t* \0 E2 W4 Z, n! Q& O7 p+ Y  q  Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
' j! Y8 k" k& z. Y' [8 Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / |0 b" H- m0 ]3 c! s. P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": |" z2 b/ m' y( \6 J. ^4 c: z$ A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; j  O* d7 E. n( b1 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# g4 |0 ?4 u  q. j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ |' {" m* M% r( u3 s$ y! ~+ m& F& v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 q2 O2 q* E( c& E6 b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," i( n* h) a4 |

0 b' n& o0 ?! h2 |$ D6 G1 \  J一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) y; x) l1 T. P6 s
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ E) I2 ^, p. ^, p8 t* O1 i4 \; C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ j$ B2 i- N5 [
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 r& H' Q8 P' b0 g8 X& S" h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 H% s5 N' U2 W) h' a" M以下是其他人的見解,# a! |! }. T+ t* H3 s! w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ _5 \1 V6 L0 G5 ~

1 w3 Y4 U; O4 t: t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ U# n" G# i) o" D9 O# a8 i' c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. r: y- D. _" z1 b, C7 f# h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 J6 j; l( C/ i; d' ]8 ?) W2 q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( O9 {9 A. y% w; a, E5 |' b9 g

: H$ V1 a/ Z" i- E- Q  SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.