Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 [* X7 ~0 {8 z3 d6 e& |* l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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  l3 y* ~6 A2 o" G) X; t6 ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到& A9 K; `( x* [8 B1 ?3 Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 Z( N0 y& \3 _0 w! k/ ?' kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" v3 b' S9 @- f4 l2 g+ i# a

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) }7 p+ B! R. }& T0 y3 S0 }- `/ J9 u, Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. `4 |$ }/ x  Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, N6 E! ^0 x0 |3 y  C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; p) x* ~. }4 d' I4 l- D
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ ?% z3 g+ X1 ~9 K( x+ H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ J* O/ k8 V1 }* B, w4 |3 X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." X+ [- b/ Y5 z! R8 ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 R2 F3 O( I! @2 @' @# i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; c# ]8 p5 ?) ]7 m0 o4 _What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" [% V  P0 w. S5 M' t+ |* X# i" w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 p! B0 Y5 x% z4 z; y# }, O( a"不信也沒損失"& B) P- G' X& U1 b+ D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ A% D) l( w( J  c0 d9 }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 Q" `- Q" z, ~6 G: a1 s; kit's starting because we have sins......( Q  Z3 J8 w4 D: g9 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; x" ^" H- [6 u9 C' K# \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 L! R, [9 S# B' Z+ r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' D: x7 Z# S9 ^7 ^+ ?' N5 D
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ ]3 X/ J# a- `* G) o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' Z8 ^5 u" x* [, @3 g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 r9 Y1 K% }1 j3 Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- n- p1 I. r3 q6 z

) n5 A8 p9 e% n7 C: [; G8 J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 r( X/ l! u  D1 s; [) y# F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- r" f% I" {  R2 d; h( C7 c/ n: a
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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. f9 T7 M) [- G以下是其他人的見解,
" h: V3 {; Y; u: F% {+ B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 t0 U* j& m# F! v2 r$ F# [
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: {3 ~9 ^- w) |, C0 v. v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 B& s- |5 V3 i+ q( q& F

5 n$ P2 t" q# x" B9 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 c4 g4 L+ k5 I; d4 K0 M2 h  x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 v! L4 R" H; J( r+ H

) ]# ]8 F" o7 d; y2 |! X8 R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 |3 _, K5 u' @/ X# |% S3 f9 ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 J+ W5 a. C/ m$ h& k( t, s5 Z0 S: B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 c& t6 `' y4 u7 D6 \: R" s3 {( x

( r5 z7 p( @. cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.