Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 k& r0 J. K. S& w0 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! v) d! [( a& g( B* A又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 i( l# e" e9 k7 v, a+ }, ^8 H道理我知道好多只係做吳到: k6 U6 l- q2 M3 G! E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 L6 \" ^0 A+ `+ imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. K) y( N) F4 r; ^, d' v* E* X2 Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, c" b% E7 L$ o+ tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 z# W! b) @: I. y# q' K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人; X& M1 B8 K% x$ Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ Q) q! Z  U8 \0 \! ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 g; D+ W" M  P0 y. r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 ]: ]. A1 g7 u+ K0 v" E7 ?7 R1 g- j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' u1 h0 h+ M1 B- o- V& z. F; UWhat a statement we have here?' N: o+ M4 j6 ~& k2 q3 U

4 l( o  _! a6 f+ t9 S/ |7 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  b7 ?: i& g' I2 y

8 l) }0 F7 f- O( Z0 u* {: t7 uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 C5 C: \8 u3 d$ l2 K' u8 q
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 B2 {* v# G% _+ H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ V, H; W2 x! t" I"不信也沒損失"5 z# U4 ]* G$ x. K% ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- i# p( s7 r8 s; t2 j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) Z) a) Z' C* A# F" y

1 A' ^8 {2 L' V  `% G# m8 N- \it's starting because we have sins......
1 |4 S9 z) Q/ F: W5 Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & P; d8 M: f8 v% ]- t( F& z7 `$ Y# y- H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" e  U+ B. w( a4 R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 U# T; {+ J* G2 q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 E- ], h: c# J" k  \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# f: h7 s* l" F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. {2 S0 c1 F. G; d# u8 n: o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 a" ~( E9 w8 j3 ~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ j$ S0 n1 Q& P* H  l- j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 j0 _$ ?4 @; C+ y3 Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' Z4 E' z+ c" x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 Z% a, q! J1 U7 `0 _2 e
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& G1 p/ {) R9 e% h" M' O. \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 {# f* ~1 y" g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; ~: Z) V; L8 ]' u

, B, e1 t" h% y5 I. q以下是其他人的見解,6 O. Y+ D" N4 ?1 n  Y% q% j1 i6 h
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! X0 B- V* r- S4 |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 ]; D1 F5 l. V: y- l7 B5 s

1 Z. F+ M# C0 l- h4 |1 E/ j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ Z- ~3 o6 O5 i: R2 H5 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 l: u1 a- x+ J1 _' `7 s
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, I  i: B7 Z9 s% O! @; [+ V/ aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 t' p! T* [7 h* e7 j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.