Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( p# X  c; X6 c" U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& P/ Y! \4 d2 m/ X3 a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ K' P( T3 z& |/ D) z( F) S3 {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 u2 q  ?0 R! r8 A! Z" p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ r4 _) s8 {" M5 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 ~4 j5 k1 c4 n2 l

9 X; Z% c; R0 y. @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  {& z1 @9 }; f2 k! y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ \+ ]7 _) M$ Z! X我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ X$ u& i  R* M" L
真的!!這不是反話
7 i7 k5 L5 Y+ n6 x1 V因為我是情感比理性強的人( F" u" q! a% q' I. ]7 ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 w  e9 X: r' a. \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 q" g  t, {0 T$ K  ]. x2 O- R  S. }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 ?0 q* P# Y* g9 g8 @' z  Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" B5 \5 |" k4 Z. l% [' n" E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 F. H. ^8 h# J" M. w* F4 w
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. F  `4 v# H6 c8 k; [  y( R

; j, k7 ?+ Y' {! x6 e$ ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& H5 X: \8 P0 I' r

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 p/ Q6 I" A0 j8 m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! e5 G6 R3 H- j" O% J* z9 |" o"不信也沒損失"/ B9 p) {% s2 |# d- h: q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- X# A6 Q, @. _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; d7 ^! V4 o& P1 ?; n  J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 C% l/ k7 l3 T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ ]& q3 p  }6 b  {! o7 n! R6 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( g1 e5 D7 V2 ^8 t, B: G& y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 P3 k: r8 W% V: Y5 p0 P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 U; N% \" r8 N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; i6 e( d8 ^6 E3 Z% E/ w% y. B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' b4 {7 n% V) K. g/ {3 `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% q5 G" |* Z" j: e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& p3 m5 i( Y. F; H9 E

# V" M' [  f: v: _3 Q& d# l& g2 @以下是其他人的見解,
/ b, s. F, V, [! X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- a3 l; d  ~, P) M* _) y+ P
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" Q+ p$ p$ N7 O

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. O1 f& h+ `+ ~, y" L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% j7 V( S  A: N; C# ?, ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ _! ]1 [' r; i& y2 b1 g: E. A.............信耶穌... ...

: U3 R, U3 M  r7 P  ~Regarding the resurrection....
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( E1 Z" R% l$ O& p3 |( mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 {" V) K+ n' C& @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.