Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) c9 X/ o. m$ S3 S, R我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# d+ _/ F) ]! x1 ]3 ?/ U( HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 c* S+ @. c8 y9 D- f' qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& A/ x0 d% V- D/ {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... d9 I: e7 C1 {& Q8 R. r/ z

- ~9 a/ D$ |: g8 y9 j! pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% G' @' i& I8 M+ e, ?3 pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 c$ X( G( J9 E& [我只不過微小的基督徒..................." ]3 w' o- X( A7 A4 @3 \
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( [% k/ h# `( w( Q1 w& e# u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 w% u8 ^, m/ B9 k; u! t4 L5 S1 |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 G: |5 l; V5 ?. A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. f7 G6 _6 S9 k1 r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( p$ O$ B; D' X) P5 n! U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + X% @- g' t. ^9 D: H

: C' E+ M6 I. sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; G. S8 A9 z! `4 R9 d4 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  x% L* a! f! j- q" H3 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' L' v0 j# C% M
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it's starting because we have sins......9 T; B' [, U- t" I' V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# f/ Q% u* K5 b
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 }# f, v9 E( T# c& r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. E4 r- \/ s- F& ]5 Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 t) V, e+ Q$ F5 n2 p5 V8 K# o. P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% R9 `# K+ B! a4 b: Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% d$ B9 \" z3 l7 U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 Q2 P: P. V" d3 G! ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 M% ]' H( a0 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, Z/ p* B! u0 A! w1 i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 j3 n  R: U* b1 u8 R

& Y3 K( Q1 Z, L3 l宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 ?# X3 D* s9 |2 X* V6 J) n% `% @' g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& X8 Y' s: w+ f# p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, E+ I, q  [; J) _! K  k

) B" t" j/ G6 n0 c6 |以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, r" _2 }' w0 ~8 ]0 t+ {" [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 N) T: c5 a' q+ j- q

. g9 k: B& X, f6 W0 r5 u$ P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 p' r2 ~, S& _4 ]7 Y

8 _# {  i& P4 a$ X2 O* Q# g% ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& z1 ?# h) P2 l2 ^) |, b同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, A' }! k: b. G
.............信耶穌... ...

: \6 A5 Q! p( MRegarding the resurrection....  N/ e& a; F) `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.