Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 N( s6 v: A" ~2 R# q  i" P4 I我係一個連自己都吳信的人) b2 _* }9 l! r, O5 ?! F) N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* i* m7 K3 C) f$ P6 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到! G9 v$ [) }% g1 E7 _3 L+ }/ g2 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 o/ O. b6 s9 H9 o4 U8 z( }. U7 V

/ g9 }; h4 e% Y" A$ WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 R7 `; J. y8 v+ ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." o1 z4 P/ f- Z9 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% E- B# M  _& u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人" ^! J. d/ H2 v7 m' |8 u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. ~' E8 P8 p% Z/ F% Q6 {9 f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 ]. V9 Z0 p9 w6 j2 G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 }+ {' A* ^. L7 X" B1 F, u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- o. ?, J$ l" \( h) S" L& \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% z0 B3 j* O5 `) ^. D& ?2 n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: B4 {9 S  d* d) W8 R( PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; A# _, n* h  K8 D$ J7 w4 \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. H' d( R2 x) i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 P4 H/ b6 @# @2 \3 e5 H+ i: v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." K/ C- s% A4 h  j4 Y+ R8 R. q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 z. X% X9 X; H* p! v: B$ psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% ?& d9 u- L: U1 K5 u1 c3 o! ]) dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ Q' ~' X3 l, F: ?4 B只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 g, d& t/ V4 x/ h; a, @' h$ Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ m9 I; l/ Z& }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) y0 w3 W: D( X0 [1 [0 [2 |. D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 h1 B$ d; ]) l: ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  x: ?1 O6 M1 y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 H" g) `4 p) c2 b+ p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 c- |$ b: g' t' p8 L. j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, ^1 A, P9 i- ^6 S, r+ f# m$ B6 d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" y# ^. X! z. x7 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ D6 v$ b2 i( t( I3 q8 {宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 l3 ]8 z9 S. F6 B. ~

5 g, d6 o3 |/ s& H7 K6 m; x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; F$ q+ j2 Y6 s5 E) H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 s1 t- ^! x6 p- h/ \) D' q9 }
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以下是其他人的見解,9 @$ R1 b. @2 L1 ^7 S# w- ], O/ a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( q0 p8 h' q$ @& X
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: G4 M0 V" S& J, `0 ~; @

3 ]) @+ [4 @: f% c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- Q( f' q$ n1 d

# i) `- S1 V$ B( |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  Q3 B" G7 P5 l  c3 l1 l8 @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* U% {& G, J0 y1 \& Y# {9 K

$ ^5 a! E* Y; I" L0 T) U  c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( x( C" `) B" C7 p.............信耶穌... ...

/ d/ \% I8 H# h+ q- _# S$ t0 o0 jRegarding the resurrection....
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. [# w- b! {9 e$ x/ |6 SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  I+ C6 w" V& l. a: w* [: q7 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.