Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- ^3 P/ `! f" T" B$ o$ U/ }  g" @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 m. P( W( U5 a; ]* T9 ?0 R' C. H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" d! q3 X9 ~. E0 D9 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 }! o2 P0 |( O* A8 \. [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ z! y2 d0 s5 u9 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# h0 X2 x3 h6 k" s# @9 _+ r9 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; G, ]' H# w: p4 r3 K- Y# u% b/ Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) `+ J! ?3 r2 p- P3 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 I; m  X8 K0 `! W+ \" o
真的!!這不是反話* \# B5 T$ W3 w6 ~( a" g
因為我是情感比理性強的人" V8 _4 w' u9 [; j" }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 n( n- A6 T/ y6 u  [8 g; X( d$ J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 ?9 w# m5 B. C- r% K/ k& c4 P. v3 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" g% K& W# [1 Z0 I' V2 J! e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 p8 d' ]0 l: Q8 O9 O& `- RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& W6 {" E' ~: x" W, g: l0 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. g0 h0 i" U* ?$ `" h/ G

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 i  a6 h( G- _+ j3 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". y( u  L0 ~+ S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 ?3 n5 u4 ?; b1 I2 c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......2 Q' I) T( r, i: c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 B; b, P) ]! @, dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 F: u  F& [1 Y" @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 u0 e7 |$ i  g9 ~3 }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: K5 }! y: J1 \0 t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 d$ f; x% s- `7 e$ ~/ u5 _; a6 l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( b3 E" r0 I0 d# j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, X7 F  N8 u+ j) L/ B9 k) V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 I7 _4 p# M0 z; C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 p" f+ ]! d: ]5 i: R$ B

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0 n: y* t/ h2 u8 G6 |; m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 J8 r! B! M/ d9 `5 B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ H% i4 f! Z+ l" j- ^7 U

" s, A+ d: |) T# K, a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& g0 f1 m7 J7 T0 S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 n$ P* `5 S& X0 s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 w: l, }1 ^, w' q

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* W  y  R0 a3 _$ t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) Q  S0 _$ \& D3 i& Z! I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ C& F* Y. Z, m& o9 L6 o" U& W5 k

( P, s9 H' W/ p  wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.