Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* r$ |6 {, `0 V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到( y3 B: D/ C8 t; i$ N$ O  \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- N" p/ i) g$ @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  [5 O' f0 T$ v0 ?# S8 W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 t8 ?* e( t; m$ Y0 ~$ w+ d2 f4 Y5 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 M3 U! f' R0 W4 C0 |7 bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* v$ k6 t5 ?& a- F; f& K1 P! V8 J& R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ T) F8 J6 I* `8 ^4 u
真的!!這不是反話
" n( l& }1 [7 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 l4 \/ ?9 t) \1 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. G5 [/ j6 g$ {% i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) @7 W7 I9 A+ N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 g# o8 @* y7 G2 w% d. F6 TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) Y3 o: u3 l7 [) T" C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 }( o6 a( Q/ t" m"不信也沒損失"% L% b$ }! F& r( i$ W: F; C1 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. R2 ]  h4 ^' W- nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 C4 H! }7 `. z3 V

* q, `1 C+ [: w5 C9 j% R/ m5 pit's starting because we have sins......
' ~, _) Q1 o8 K) z. d" y7 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 ~8 t0 v8 U6 B! Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# D) l* p0 @; Q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ {! s8 n& G$ e3 y! B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ A7 ~: P! W% D& q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 E0 g" f6 P* M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' q* s: F9 {3 ?) P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% c0 t0 w! I/ V" R; }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& D8 @1 F- W7 W  J- @$ z+ P3 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 i3 I7 _+ Z1 k. w6 @7 P. S2 r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ F0 R  d1 h7 c- H/ w) }8 K7 ]; R
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 Q/ s! X( z9 x9 j" Z; s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 P# D8 D4 q1 a8 Y$ B宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 w3 Y$ R2 M1 _" `" p6 q, ~  z" t, w

: u. g( I. Y. Z8 U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 T5 R; C: R8 f) d; v; q+ z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 u0 i9 t/ Z$ h4 I, i; k! I/ k以下是其他人的見解,, d6 T7 m: l9 o* Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( {- E" L: X% v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& [, L% d7 V9 g9 i% D* E  E3 h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* i) F8 x3 [" a3 O& K9 P
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* ]: @/ K/ r' ~' K* Q. l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, `1 q9 X! [$ v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 j1 F  @) ^$ ?

# M. l. f! S  Q0 TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.