Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 K" S+ k; K2 y0 f) d" O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& [8 x/ p4 F! m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* Y! ]6 q: F1 P/ u9 v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% T! O; @) V2 X1 h* ?% }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: {  I* v3 ?+ Y  fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ ]( e* f) U8 Z: y7 i# O9 _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: _4 i% X" }7 R6 v

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% Z/ p+ N* i0 {; S! [$ s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 a) h: b; |( _( `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人- e" v4 j1 E" G1 d1 K# Y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! \2 h3 Z, Q6 b* p, ~( }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) }  Q5 {# {! q3 ?' r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... l5 V6 }+ Z# K% O' a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 [) t$ y& o( D. t) D

  [; N! w' g8 u( I6 Z* Q, ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 ^8 t, ^+ @7 k* FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& O1 p4 F/ q4 l5 @2 V, b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; u5 V9 B  \, W6 u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ J+ k+ k3 i7 e( P: s! T9 lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", ?) [: p) T6 O4 K0 ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ W4 |$ d- Q" \: e7 E/ A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 H# a2 r/ t: Y: [4 U4 A/ A  [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% O: U7 l' S$ T) {# U  M: D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 \/ ^8 j3 w# p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," t7 |9 ^" p& H( e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 g; e% E# J. |

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  c+ D6 V+ N  S; w( v: M6 A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: J+ ~7 L% d+ \& J; v0 t. P以下是其他人的見解,
: W! E! S- ]& m+ i$ f看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) g( k/ l3 D3 J" l
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  y) E5 k$ e' a

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% W/ x! j' g- w/ ^1 G: S; K" I

/ ^6 E& x7 L+ ?/ X& V- I9 S0 N$ xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.