Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% ~0 ^9 n% G5 l+ K- a6 E0 c我係一個連自己都吳信的人# r# p, |/ A+ \: o) T8 D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ `' R* y3 A+ y8 J* C& o6 [道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ h2 u! {* U/ w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 n, |% T, v# W, g+ F/ B# wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 J' E/ s0 d$ ?) j" }% [4 Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  D4 ~4 U4 D$ M

3 S) n% `' }2 [& O! o* Y8 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& l3 ?% y+ J; N4 C% j1 O9 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! z; d: u; j; ]4 z( z9 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 A9 t; ^  I" g. a9 P# P+ X5 @) |2 h
真的!!這不是反話
# a5 k+ }, \( O0 a0 q因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 C! P* j3 S5 o4 W) l$ C- b5 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  P+ m5 ~- {, U" r( ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 {$ r: ~+ O' B( c7 @7 G1 E7 u/ \" b$ T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& o" e+ w$ o) WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 Z; B7 m$ X( h% b3 a0 N- ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, _" \8 h( z1 i7 c
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:cool:
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$ S) b7 L4 A: X0 X2 S" m6 X6 d[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 Q& h& ^) F* f4 C) f4 k4 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# A8 i& s  r) C+ }: I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" a( T9 D6 k' _/ fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& S: W+ P2 f) ^1 P8 d! A

% ^( w0 W: D$ \* y6 f3 nit's starting because we have sins......
( ~, h9 y$ `- C. {& T/ n* v- Y1 y6 Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- ^! C2 t3 }/ T  z- o: I. J" Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 R+ Z. D8 V/ r( g" \7 S/ L* Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# g! A0 U* j# G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& A" L, N4 g% W* b6 c) z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ |* @% x/ j( {: G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' I' j' {4 E. l. e' O4 t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- }0 A# X3 Y- _& S) O& @  d' ~3 P2 n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 [! e* D0 T2 K% z2 P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ l% H/ n  n% }( H* m5 O, M: b
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  U8 h8 Y) y7 f" e9 p

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* a% n& _% D$ k1 a; ^$ q& c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% Q% a% J) z0 i' y, y; q) D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 y/ ?% I9 p1 Z3 D* m5 ?

$ X- U1 r5 e9 c6 w以下是其他人的見解,
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9 C6 h" Z3 U2 \* H9 U( b8 h[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( g+ q$ m2 L/ z( A6 G$ |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 |* w& E. d* a% S9 U6 {% Z# j

( s0 M, |# O7 A5 D# V不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" J8 c& P5 d* V/ S

, h8 u4 W5 A0 [& P: [9 w9 P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 J1 D0 ]. m7 M  k3 g- d8 k

) ^0 t% n$ Q/ G1 @, E% H同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 R" a, R0 z5 G* x1 m- j' l.............信耶穌... ...

+ n- N! o+ `% b! @) [4 pRegarding the resurrection....# P: L. P2 W6 |: }" ^" m/ |

% t/ l9 _' N6 A1 `  O/ J' E1 KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: P, C* {. i, ]; T9 X

5 K6 R% r8 @3 K1 DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.