Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 D6 `2 V8 x# @& ?6 p4 R' M我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 d' n0 |8 w9 ?. j: n* L: W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" f/ M, m0 I  [$ h$ ]* `9 L. v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, ^7 N" G% y, e: x' W' V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ Y* y" Q' b; F. Z" X8 n9 ~

. N, X& d; P& w: J  l! Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) n- M4 \- e( b8 @4 N; i1 u7 ^5 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 H6 G, d3 S9 ~0 R# j/ ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 W9 o  p2 B8 v, v. v" l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& a7 F1 e7 D- }7 v; q6 Y- n
真的!!這不是反話
5 `  z6 I+ d5 h( W6 w3 Y因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# }& i7 U/ q( A) C# f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  ~$ Q' o) Z; n2 I" V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* `- t2 x9 [5 D' s) U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 {$ n  h/ u1 t* C6 k' T# UWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) X. z  Z9 I& {' V5 C7 [+ pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  M& l# Z' I& a/ vLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) M4 h1 W+ u$ l* ?8 q
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( F9 D) t% \( N0 l  B3 ~' e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& j+ N% E& A% K, _0 j; WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ ]. l1 p* S. ~$ G* _4 ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% I  h2 Y9 C& r0 git's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: f3 K. [6 H$ i  b( Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 v+ ?& N, _# F5 O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 @4 y- \6 C* d0 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% ~( Y# f7 n, e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 ?! n) p4 Z2 ?$ i: S( \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 b0 ]4 d% V2 ?( t; n2 I' l

/ D$ G6 l  I/ @1 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  y- ?- u! j" U, @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 t9 j/ _9 z/ ?' H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 `- P4 Z$ r/ U7 G* ^

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& s$ \, |$ s: P3 D" H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ b4 ?- m/ `8 N8 E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& _( Z5 K  y; g- i9 G% I4 `' X! r以下是其他人的見解,
+ l1 U4 K2 a; Z! H; i9 ^* i8 T- a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" R8 w# C7 k1 T* I5 w+ x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: c; C7 U6 k( F- Z3 c5 y

/ B5 m0 X$ H7 I' I0 u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 p- p3 b5 E# [& A- t* W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ g$ @0 x4 y; r/ M# ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# f8 e  G* `7 c4 {

! [4 {/ T! F% r' X2 [( y) ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# W$ G) e6 N( g  y. Z( kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.