Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* @* `% f% H) x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 z; h$ v. ~% S1 P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 ]9 x9 y3 Z& `1 P, d+ `, D4 w6 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 f5 a! o: J4 h呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 l% i/ z! {0 {3 S  Y. G

. g, _9 l8 m6 J; \- k! i( S7 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 {7 ^% G7 I- r9 umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( L0 t& \. T9 V( @8 d, H

. o- e! [2 o) M! Z; e. Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! ]+ H8 [2 w3 ^7 z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ n  y3 m7 J, b  V2 f3 u8 H; i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* }( i' F1 d  Y& a
真的!!這不是反話! ~, Z1 k5 @  a. z6 }' x
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 w2 {0 P7 \: `( u2 T0 L7 N; Y9 K0 k
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- N4 q3 h2 j' Y  M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! h7 m6 U$ ~+ H% @# Y0 F$ R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# v( K) K; {- G8 ]What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! s  Y; \5 h  S+ h9 dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- E. ~. m' ?: ]2 M2 S$ Y1 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; k5 O( j4 }  R9 {8 h"不信也沒損失"
" i: u) q# M. U* YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) G( F; m1 n! v6 D9 U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ X. m) h, A0 I& |

4 \. z& }4 P# @8 |9 r: @* Vit's starting because we have sins......
6 L$ l  _# w2 n9 ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - H& c6 r+ O+ U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 B' a' W. @: C" f( s1 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 V+ g3 b) M( m1 a  g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& x& K+ P  t. E) Y  W& T( o! M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) y8 X+ c6 `1 k1 H

/ y" N6 S& O* J0 r& W6 c1 q7 a2 N1 l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& G) j: f* J8 d. b5 T; d# b! \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 N% C4 i- z. r' _$ u; ]+ k/ Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. G( b- _' V( Z& D  [/ \5 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" Z6 y! f6 E" S  j& R
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/ b) u( J) p! y, E. f# K& X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ ]4 S0 b( u$ A* s  `  G: o

0 a/ f- R& L8 `以下是其他人的見解,
5 ]+ v* g8 g! B8 k看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 ^! t' s7 n6 J* d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* a8 ^  j. F. w/ G6 E
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 H8 U5 h4 w/ t; Y# K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: C8 O. G+ _- _8 d! d% X+ s# r. C) V
.............信耶穌... ...

9 e# Y) W% T6 T- ~- A& URegarding the resurrection....5 ^# L, j& s4 n3 C' |% r

- j5 l  G& w9 b8 BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 ]0 U/ U" l. M" Y" g  O3 c- V6 Y

. ]& p- K( S( b; }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.