Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. E: W) m- _0 V0 t8 }* g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  e$ f! c& E/ F, Z0 ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% C) \  J: n+ @& _; l' L9 k道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* \, ?( a& K/ j  ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# x) h* [' U; TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& I3 u4 W' H! g% `

& b4 f+ C. |7 z/ Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' R  ?% i5 G6 y7 r- X3 W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* ]( g7 ]8 u' H$ H6 m! @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ d! o7 @& }+ {* W7 `  R- H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, v# ]5 j  V  F0 x2 r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : ~2 n/ t1 @0 t$ E4 X5 [# C

. y5 e" c% x! g$ m& i6 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- |1 i5 ^& K- j! d- \- e. e! c, gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* O$ R; s6 A$ d8 J/ c) q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 Z+ {: ]* W) e! A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! Y- ?, v5 _: w$ d3 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ s$ G" Q: g# i& c8 V/ ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, l! J; `. d. ]8 d8 _5 cit's starting because we have sins......6 d* T6 i8 o% f+ K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 b% t9 d6 L( R& ^4 _6 A$ I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 u  C- T+ ^6 B  ]' B" \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: O* l* U% r( d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 R6 m  c# R' H3 T% M2 w5 F! x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 Z+ |. p( q) S8 `: f2 Q' i" W* w7 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# y1 W1 L3 `4 @/ q* z) T  T7 j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: B4 B# P  s# I/ a- v2 U4 h: ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ e% n" S" F# i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 ]0 A: Q0 t  [" k9 w$ P- R

4 c6 G. H+ @7 F1 T9 @1 j3 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& O( i: p' ]. H9 D1 T! a改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; C% |! `+ ]* Z- O2 T& p- J7 g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 V6 k/ V7 ~& ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 T' s& l/ j# g& [+ Q4 Z7 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 t- `9 z$ Z3 R4 n) i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( n3 L8 ?4 n& C! V5 ~

) M) t( r, u# E4 X( o6 `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; a' x- U, z2 A% ]
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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! M7 u" {% y0 o! E* O0 B0 X7 A1 Y, ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.