Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! g( w# `( h3 m8 S我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# Z+ H6 W! P8 `9 \5 x( B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 [& `/ R. ?" Z/ s0 n, Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% T6 r7 k) A4 I% [+ |" b. A呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# x  X* S" @3 Y

9 A7 N0 c, G6 R3 r$ a2 `2 |/ JNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 J* n. T: W. p9 |( D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# d$ E3 Q$ M: z% q% s" J+ G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 \" \9 r% r) G" j4 X: ], U我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ A* o+ c+ E) |  D: H: M; J真的!!這不是反話
; b8 }9 ]3 W! x$ Z  I* H因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 w% b) {8 Y5 ?8 Y' }& q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 z# p$ W+ k% ~( y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% L9 l3 E: y6 U# c# T* c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! u, @% j. [# N( d! J1 \, ]. DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 V1 @& c9 `$ Y% k3 d2 r# z2 P

# f/ g" m/ X3 E5 ^1 ]8 W) hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 P9 l3 s: f0 c: H! @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! q  j/ ?. ~/ ~
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; g# ^! h0 M9 T7 I- w9 S+ l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( F  x& b! l, ]* W/ W8 M"不信也沒損失"6 A- y3 Y% N! x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. ^6 g# ?' K7 r! ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& f! X. ]* A/ O) ~

" ?4 h' V3 B8 q5 Q& c8 O5 ]it's starting because we have sins......
% z: K# S: ?  d3 }! I5 O& n# ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( s' u2 B2 [  s4 O: h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( O  ~+ C( L7 J9 ]: T3 M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; W' |4 k$ q2 Z, w( `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! N! Z" ]% f% d4 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ u2 O5 a- D( J- w$ N8 _2 N' A( t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( w! A0 f1 p4 }; U3 R$ u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 G7 n( q2 t0 P4 g! t) Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ B9 S$ Z2 y  b9 Y5 X2 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 p# {2 g: T) {3 L& L9 W, ?4 Z+ q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' ?% w5 B0 s9 k/ x( n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 ?$ r0 G- t1 G% }' p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 w  \1 H0 p. B7 ~0 h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 l& Q: y$ \' ^, |! X& R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
+ h' [4 w+ G- |http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ ^2 e- H6 f+ b5 S- `
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! G0 d0 W+ D" D7 {+ k9 O. n
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, z. G9 l1 [6 d) [1 r
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 G, ~( C+ |4 A/ ]0 I/ m" G

" Z& h6 \" J7 o2 |) t6 u# d, O8 n/ ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.