Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 \, x5 V* j/ C3 e; y- j3 @我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ ]' J9 a) j6 P# L% g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ _' H( I, |- C, w4 P+ H道理我知道好多只係做吳到  R* A# v8 W" u0 N" I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 J4 ?$ A  c4 H
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& t5 d  H; A9 o% c
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 e7 I" D% ?) T! e- U$ Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% |2 {3 _( P& ^2 N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 b: C5 q; e# v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 s5 x' ]3 P; |/ P$ a( T4 ~
真的!!這不是反話$ k& U; L7 z+ m) Q  w3 x# Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 L/ R1 w5 {/ }; x& ]- ~3 ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% |: |+ P4 A1 ^2 I( a3 m& i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ R- T$ f) j7 Q% O) b/ [6 z% j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( D$ V: a" E; z# Z' ]& q. B' ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. m5 b3 X- H: k. N6 A9 e; P1 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 N: j! C1 t( h+ ^. k# k9 ~, mWhat a statement we have here?. E, _1 d$ I% E

, n/ l- P1 j. I+ ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) @/ K( O; U# E8 ]+ c/ cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: \: L  k2 z  |2 b. P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& t+ {3 F) {$ p$ k+ W"不信也沒損失"
& t5 b1 S! I; H# tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# H& W" H/ O- a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., }* K7 C4 K( J: ^& s  m" d7 T
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it's starting because we have sins......
, t" r2 [, H4 l  Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 m5 G" @0 w! s$ _7 K9 Z/ ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 a6 P# `+ ^" F) K# q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 x+ N1 s1 W; p+ ~4 Y+ W/ q# y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 W; g0 x" ?4 v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 t& k1 N1 v+ Q2 G4 o% \8 ]9 u- J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 m0 p! E# k: }! F) j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 X) n) `. b4 L6 C

6 {! b6 Z$ Y+ c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ r. c! J4 l. t/ B4 c) y9 H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' P# t8 T$ r1 k

* O. |& a* z; L! ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& b0 m  \/ X$ ^& z# B3 ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 R: V9 C* N& s0 ^6 ?! |& k" F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 x# B+ h8 r- D: L

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  x8 P0 c( Y+ T0 Y. k: ~0 B6 R5 A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. n/ ^2 a/ U! X& u5 r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* |( L, a& W2 a# I6 n3 n
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以下是其他人的見解,
2 U2 O! R; y" A8 E  h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 ]& l" H# `, s% O% _

- d. o& t7 @! _/ R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' q0 F& x; K! G" j8 z6 s9 _6 d$ C, d
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  a8 b6 G1 K( X4 u& e: i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 g3 v. Q5 p( e1 d, mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.