Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 @! B$ }# I, ^# j& F9 i! q我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 V1 q% I0 D& j2 b7 I" ]! ^( U( f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 E$ m3 q5 t' J& ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 }$ V9 h4 p! B( a9 J, j) T7 b) t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% U$ Y  B9 Z) o8 s9 [( }" yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* e, ^% Y: W6 m5 k% X2 C0 B/ I" m

  }' j. Y. p. a+ E5 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! D4 D* T& R2 h* \% d  A

- D1 v3 |( J+ V4 Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- A. |7 Z1 c: q' g, Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; A+ O' n" ^. H! J$ J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: {% L, n# y& K6 x% h
真的!!這不是反話/ e8 R/ ^( I6 p. a. I# o
因為我是情感比理性強的人- C+ Z' v( f. {  w3 E3 m% C1 e7 T# `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) d" w7 V% J( J以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- l  t; A" z  o0 f- O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' T7 t0 j% K" `# m6 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?# ]! Z/ M9 H& D5 p$ G- Y

) [5 ^* {" T" }8 ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 d  B( Q0 A4 N0 ?  p6 L. _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ E+ E* x# q$ P2 D: u4 n
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  r! h) c  v, z' j: F1 H4 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# F' g, r+ r4 {! r; R"不信也沒損失"
# `& N5 _% ~% N1 T$ W! A6 ?1 G) l/ MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& U% P0 t- h' Y/ [/ e! J" }0 s( @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
; a3 X6 J6 ?- D5 g+ isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* h$ E/ @: C5 X* a5 your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 `- f! v, U: K% F/ X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 |# D9 r7 ?8 T" G; G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, ~* _' y  c2 B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ x8 C8 F. f3 z- K5 q% O( K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( `3 r% e( c0 y- o! ]3 C; t* g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  k3 _/ E' h' @: w$ ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% c1 s( o5 F: }4 z  u2 O0 v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% F1 G  b/ N+ I  t7 w" b& E, L( K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# p  y; Q( d& |% k+ x& v/ @3 J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  c0 k! _! y' z, s. [

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 L1 w) j. C3 f0 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 @4 M/ v/ y8 @5 P% P3 ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  [& x: O& s- J0 R

: \" ^2 h4 {2 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 T$ l5 W; e9 f& |" Q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ _; m1 \; e% G

/ g, U3 r% O# v, Y2 t: y- @& q' n8 SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.