Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# S+ A3 {! \' V3 T0 j  P! P; }& s我係一個連自己都吳信的人- H' S( a$ R/ d5 v1 U5 d# \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 q5 T: i5 S  L5 b" `道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! r) r$ _! ]* F; f. O$ u呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ ?6 G  c7 H" kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 }6 [; M7 n# z" p+ S1 Z# O# [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 x, x5 s# a* H; t6 l; f
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 \8 C2 B9 |+ R9 X) ^2 _4 g

5 |! f; \3 B) x4 x: M0 bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. G1 M# {0 F' H% p3 Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 G  N0 p5 _+ ^% j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
. W* W# T* |( n; H/ B7 A. a- N4 A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 Q# V; \6 R, \6 s* C4 W( Z: Y5 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 j: b3 t% Z$ |% ~, x" O7 J8 {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 r9 a  X& N" ^. ?8 ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) C7 x' c, e2 s/ p; q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& Q1 @/ T" T7 ?# s' cWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 N$ R+ A+ _) U

% O( m" u: \. w- vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- H1 f% b$ p+ }- aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  ^% T' T& ^1 ~* c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  h1 S1 w3 X9 w"不信也沒損失"$ p1 ]8 V- }9 C% C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ p3 v! w, h& Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  g& ?* X! d4 {& j2 U8 M
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it's starting because we have sins......
  t# n3 r& s2 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 ~$ i2 i0 U; Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 ~9 N# D6 t1 `# ^) W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# y" q$ \! l9 ]* G. p2 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. [) @- r* `! N* `  j# y7 n& `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' q1 I  D& X5 b. I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  e) P8 a- ~5 a5 V+ H! k2 `5 G" L# A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" m! r4 E- U3 ?6 a+ \" C) t$ E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* v) D, X, o7 e1 C7 u/ V0 p$ ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- N! Q5 H8 O  @  ]

2 p& |1 v7 ]7 [9 T! x0 {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 }6 ?. F( Y3 g5 p' `- U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 C) d" j: K, z3 c, z# `' A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 v1 M6 Z9 C  V, _! V" O' T2 U. K宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- @$ g3 q- @% r4 b: u
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 E3 j; D" u, h: q; L& ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 L, S% a! K/ ?* Q

& ~7 C7 {9 X2 n* D  H以下是其他人的見解,0 g3 \( V2 m9 q, |- ^1 }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 Y6 O$ w1 G; ]5 e- p
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 K9 C  l3 n+ h5 u. d2 m* I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 A7 h, Z3 U( X) K% ~/ C/ x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  m6 l8 V5 F! Y, j! M) P1 ~6 ]! X

- f) {+ F' m: p4 ^$ |# [3 [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( y) ~3 O$ m: I8 @4 A6 T8 M, r' C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# q. h; b4 ?1 J; Q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- i+ |1 O7 _, _: q7 g' M

* J1 O: `" b! l  OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) @+ q4 r/ Z3 C- Q5 `

; h) G+ I& L; {0 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.