Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* W. R/ J+ m; `5 D: v, P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 G# K( l$ g6 Z) y3 |' I1 o) s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  m' `* Q, N, e# E7 O9 I8 X' PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 m1 C+ x& x% [' f7 zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  d6 X- s5 D  @0 i- ^( U6 S) Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 @4 X+ v, Y  L- T' R8 cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ k/ m9 s% `0 D( h" I* mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# |% v. L1 u5 F* x, Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( O' g2 d, A6 m& Y3 |
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& W# g/ `/ n, {: S4 B" c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& z6 B) z# q# ^2 ^  E, ^/ M% W; v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: j, g) e* U: o3 g# e4 C! c3 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 a! X) p( ]# I4 G" j+ n; T

0 c& K0 O: x5 g) |- |; S7 z$ hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   ?% q* ~; s+ u

: ]+ O, v8 m/ N5 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* I& ]: x5 a7 ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' {# V, r# n2 q, K( [$ M" @% H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. x4 p9 ?- j5 ]5 U/ @2 P"不信也沒損失"8 D9 c4 }- d8 I1 ^1 O' c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 k0 S2 D8 T8 a8 A" h: B' ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 T9 v: W2 I1 C. gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; L- w3 k" f  e% t! p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 o# R4 n! f* B' z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, @" m6 u& o, ?2 E6 f* u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& M& m$ b' P; A+ o, I8 X7 s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 H) V9 G5 W5 F: k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 j: T2 m7 s& R# J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 z& l/ c, z% B  G3 {
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 v6 i7 u+ L) K6 A1 i+ G! p$ I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 @9 d, B7 H+ w) B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ d4 f  ^2 L, q  ?8 R( I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% z) c8 A" i$ c* m6 F! H( t7 |以下是其他人的見解,
1 a2 o9 l# x" `: A; \9 w% G& P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ h, B* _3 T9 ?; g% s8 b% C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 C' h1 K7 e) Q; G. R/ p' [( p; D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; e6 C2 A" r7 ?

, ?( m# R7 c! I: B' Z6 v' `2 d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. i  u& z" T& V( {5 X) `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.