Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. ^* y% u  w/ m8 C我係一個連自己都吳信的人  h% d* G6 y& Z3 F5 q8 M# t! t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 ~% Z, D! c9 {, y" E4 H$ M6 F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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9 B) f- k; K7 @% P( E7 E. k2 xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' X; F" e" k7 Z$ c# c4 w8 A+ Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; @3 O8 y; o8 f6 a$ \& J7 _+ `# i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 n2 h8 ^- @6 Z  N; ]+ P8 G9 w4 q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 p$ {0 C) N3 @3 m$ x! W' q& i4 U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! |0 a; B: E; m5 G. O$ B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  p4 A' i7 F3 t; s9 K( q, n6 {! d9 S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- P/ B) I, w. N/ Z! D1 w) C* E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 o5 v* y" ~* I  a4 W# x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: W9 t/ ?1 X/ \

0 ^7 B+ F5 C/ y; c( @+ [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 `+ T$ x5 t9 R8 Y2 ~5 nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 J' ?/ B: F3 j, c6 U4 Z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, l$ c) G/ I% e) d$ W; E"不信也沒損失"' V7 v) T$ B5 J+ D8 C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 K# w* P1 A2 ^( Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' k& G/ P% D' w

+ v$ a" z* I- G3 Z) n$ jit's starting because we have sins......: E# s& a4 |0 Y; T7 E- p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - p5 Q  G- |8 m; h4 `, z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" o1 \3 X3 `+ ^/ c+ b. h8 {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% S) c; ]: y% y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& |7 J( G- _- ~  n( c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- _+ j% k& ^( Z: e. g2 s$ K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 C, ?0 V5 ?# j  V3 q/ v7 S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 Z# u& `( o9 ~* V2 i
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. o8 `; @6 T$ U" ?2 k' ?

" P# r$ V0 r. Z) V; {/ g4 k1 |. F以下是其他人的見解,4 E2 J, R: S  R& c' H: _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 n& i  l2 O0 `+ ?( o6 J* h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" }" j3 x& e& v; m) y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 ?7 e0 E7 S- J+ V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( s8 T$ Q; R  D& W3 A9 u+ F
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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5 U$ `0 [8 A) FRegarding the resurrection....+ T$ n1 Y' z3 p+ T9 O" d& B

1 ^! p2 m( U* i: O  YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 d9 P7 F* ]) l. Z

" i$ h4 @  Q+ C! _% SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.