Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 J: y& J9 R7 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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8 X( I0 J. ^8 H道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 r& x: P$ E, Y$ ]  s5 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% c0 t  W8 _. L; X( \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  j) `3 m" n3 Y, j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ ]& S' N- M9 j7 V% T我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# w$ i9 U  b' o- W因為我是情感比理性強的人" H6 W' p4 `4 L! s8 }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 F' e) }- E: T# h: g3 ~9 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- l% x- B/ g) V+ |4 X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 `; K/ S4 A$ ]! _4 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 m+ ]0 I4 y: X3 ]$ l

* y. _! R" Q& m+ E: hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 x$ R! i, H0 p, a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: `5 ?( [- a. |; W- z% F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* ^5 W/ t9 f: d: Y8 U5 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ |4 [! f5 ~& T& }+ W$ R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 `; M# J' y: v6 Z% }; y" r8 hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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4 w# Q9 ~3 C' M) Z0 wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 |, E; j9 y) W8 t0 v1 [3 f7 \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 W5 f) Q  X; O- ]6 O/ V$ E4 j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 j  ~3 m1 I2 M1 e  n+ R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& B7 O2 H% _, I- b; d6 m' Q% q" N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, i7 I2 M; f: }1 [/ O+ I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- Q- q( h' m: w7 W7 F9 k5 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 G- \9 R) P& X) t! i! D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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8 B9 u) X. [* Y9 l- ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 ?# k5 D1 [, t9 w0 J. Y$ @% }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 F3 v% o8 U9 t( `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" s  a+ A' O4 d/ x, o" Y
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以下是其他人的見解,0 h4 o5 N# K0 p# G: D/ Y2 Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 Q  w' y" J6 U
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 J1 R4 x( u" w+ G5 u$ R.............信耶穌... ...

$ I6 V  t$ G- [' n2 ^* Q9 p7 jRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' S% `  S7 ~+ [* u0 b$ NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.