Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 n( T% {$ h+ i; Q& B我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 G4 E! L( t; V& A$ _( x6 u8 \1 O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" L; x& M6 K2 W& F道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 A0 A5 A# U* A" s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' z$ L$ z4 K$ [! w" a3 GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  K8 X* N% n/ U& S% D1 `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... B2 P5 V/ Q6 y" l% S4 t  ^: N# K

. r% \! r, y( z7 ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 Z" N' g1 f$ u! Z  O5 F* u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 A, u) P) \' ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 b. h7 z) o+ c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
' {4 W+ x3 v" V  S4 V: h+ Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% [3 K8 j, q( ?: ^' \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  ^% a4 j0 C8 c% C3 Y. o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- `  Q  e; M/ T4 D! H; O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) I; R2 T& c# m8 t% ?9 }$ m$ K. z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! T( X% b1 B( ^# V: T

2 F2 h6 e2 d( uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., e, i: I/ f/ d+ t

8 F0 G8 ~8 x/ C( D+ A% i" d( gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: c* A. ]1 ~' n8 J! G$ W
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 i/ v, m: D' P" T' G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, K) [. ]  V1 f+ `" J0 `"不信也沒損失"
6 \0 O# v& r. ~3 BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 \2 q* \( Q0 `' [. ~" h& Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* D' z1 m. _& ~( `; G4 J

4 T; e7 [  j. @6 Qit's starting because we have sins......
, j9 N3 F4 H1 r& r: D5 v- H* ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % Y8 X( ~3 I3 F7 M* C8 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" z- Q( g5 Q7 q5 W& x3 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% n1 V0 p5 F% Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; G2 V0 D7 T1 O1 M8 v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ m: }. t# P' J1 u

! }7 a0 h5 t" V$ L2 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, J7 ?& U9 j# ^: T2 m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: O, k# N6 U* T3 H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 P1 r0 f& x0 y/ W* e! J
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 y0 ^$ T$ ]7 I9 e+ c
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6 e5 k3 ~" y: W) y, m9 H% R2 y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& `0 J. P. O; _- @1 ~; h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. P: H0 ]4 t3 Y/ `
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! M% ^' L& Y1 s2 ?6 [2 D
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' ?* z' X; P. u6 f; `5 ^4 R6 v/ q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, R9 K+ \( p$ r" v; Z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% X! i/ s6 }- g9 v+ X% \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- |# b7 U) o; t# M) f6 J

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ f" ^5 [, y# X. {" `.............信耶穌... ...

. e4 x  O4 Z8 A9 Z* R1 aRegarding the resurrection....
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, l% C4 b+ b, ^: N' }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 c' e6 X; E5 Y" L4 E- z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.