Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' S5 C0 x, S- h/ Q5 D, h% q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! x9 t- w2 v: x  j% f6 w
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 n( X8 s' A& W3 g1 I, ?3 {  _1 L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 Z& W6 X7 i% H4 F% U5 {( ?+ d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* ]& n- `% ?2 v$ r  g- ?  R( A1 P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 P: s1 O. @0 J/ {

- _5 m2 C9 C+ _$ I! a6 m. sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# U# b% y' N& p6 X2 `
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( u, g8 e* n8 _5 ]% [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! @0 o8 G- ^; i7 c, g! g真的!!這不是反話! B7 Q+ G& C( m3 x: ^/ e
因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 l8 ^) s" N- O! W$ }* ]* J" Q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  q% |' |! F8 Y. J- K- `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. j4 U, j( C4 l2 |3 H4 O1 F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! A2 i" i$ G0 X# S; i4 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 m) }# f( h. u9 }/ FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 M" e% m% |' x) yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. T! n6 I5 j; U. `3 P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
' i  o; D4 f) MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# U! `- Z1 I+ I( s* H: I+ d9 l8 Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% `0 N* E3 W: ~it's starting because we have sins......$ I2 U7 V7 f0 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 n. y4 d  A) }  J% Z6 s( Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& T' ]+ P/ J7 x% j5 C$ y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( K$ w$ c, F4 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 J4 }" L4 Y8 X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% U, K8 v2 P5 G! Y! o

5 t$ S, c& y; Y1 _4 ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 F& A) l" j7 X9 b8 w$ z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 T0 A: b0 [' s+ V: X1 \

* z0 e2 ~. G$ A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' j; K6 X. Y+ [- Y% r+ M  ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ m3 O7 m- `- i' h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 j+ B( [2 @0 _1 q( P
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# O' ~( D( u7 e. `1 a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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9 U% T1 |1 [( |3 j" V以下是其他人的見解,
% k% x6 r# [2 D& ?8 y. `看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ y3 T7 F' y6 @7 b5 J: |( n2 ~6 m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- y6 Z7 Q; z: [2 ~: k9 W

8 `/ V1 b! R; v& ?. G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) t3 P1 Q/ |& n4 o1 U7 e

9 K$ t, t3 \# A8 b0 S( a6 Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 F; c4 p, M5 n! Q: f8 q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 ]/ C' H* b5 [1 E.............信耶穌... ...

$ K' r: z) u! Z& L8 rRegarding the resurrection....
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$ q/ T1 K) g6 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 \0 c1 h- n% A% y0 l2 w- O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.