Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% g# g' o! V8 E- K# _& a. ?# r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 ~% f# H& H5 y1 g. V" B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& Q: z! v5 i# ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' S9 Z  h$ K( d6 A0 s4 p. j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 Y+ G; ^2 d0 L* JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 f3 J, i7 b! ^1 A

& C- P; U7 Z# `+ L" UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 v/ u/ f; m" u; \- K4 E. P/ I, W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 M  k9 |3 F8 D* X* jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" N7 j! n+ {* {0 ]1 ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 u# Z; [  H5 H% ~9 w; z& v我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 L% q+ q# Y0 R2 }0 N/ N  o2 Y) b真的!!這不是反話
# M( h) }% I1 I+ J0 j2 c6 \8 u6 p因為我是情感比理性強的人
, E" o8 D5 w; X, b8 g) i3 H8 Z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, D, x) ~% J$ Z6 k0 `$ u& m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* k! t/ F" Y) v; n9 g" k2 p- T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 ~& E) `9 v. J# C9 o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) ]: x! N" o5 l" T1 b

& O" F7 E( B/ m7 j& KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   H5 ^' ^- H3 [0 ?% D4 e! Y: i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" I+ q0 n8 |: O# \1 g' c6 y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 {3 V2 v, p" m* w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 X- b! Y) M) x# F4 p- |4 S7 [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# p3 O! a, p, U9 P. p9 @8 g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- C% t% G" V/ `- y) M8 y4 x

/ Y% X* ]; f3 _) q0 j4 R- nit's starting because we have sins......
4 y" z7 @3 V5 d  M5 @satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- C- l5 i4 f1 |* J. \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". K! j. j, }5 a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 ?( y5 s3 v- [- A3 }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 T' [) ~) ~8 }: a) \( d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 H& m& c; ]3 p* R9 W) P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 U) A4 v$ I6 j( \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 Q* K: ^6 H+ O1 E9 P# y) E* j

. q( n( n( x% T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ [/ ^& q, ~. N# Q, {( @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# w# I( ^, f% Q! @3 U0 c6 o* {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- h% O9 d; Z& Y% ?0 x4 t- U% ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 Z  @: G% k: ?, g) J9 p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 M  w( v0 W+ j  T6 R4 T
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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% M: ?3 h- ~: o+ l以下是其他人的見解,
, @" I) t2 a9 a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
- @" b6 p8 S6 o' q' jhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 E6 A+ f5 d. F: s$ d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! ?( G+ D6 f- w6 \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 E5 m/ a) ~1 a* w2 B* A. D6 O
.............信耶穌... ...

  z6 _7 p- [( d9 eRegarding the resurrection....
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; P+ r, |. @5 w( S/ QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! o9 V  u& s' s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.