Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( G" h, `. S$ N9 q- D0 c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 e% L0 i& c! p$ g7 y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; ?5 ~$ E: d/ X5 l: A2 U, J6 ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 [' L7 E8 p( N9 H: q" V" lNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( n. l  F& F2 `6 v

/ D' K6 x/ y4 q7 |5 ]: f5 p. z- ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! g. y" A& b  B  N8 J/ Z) x( hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 }- G) P9 M; T我只不過微小的基督徒...................% d$ l' C0 }6 `2 U( F
真的!!這不是反話8 |8 Y" ~8 }8 @0 R' X
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 e7 ]1 f8 n/ P0 t: c5 a0 d. Q4 ^/ L/ _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 x* q2 I- w+ |, j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 U0 Q9 M3 ?  o" O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& Y5 n7 X0 Q% s' z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. }5 n. y) E( o; Q+ f. EWhat a statement we have here?/ b! E: F4 A/ S" p" Z* |

- A8 n/ M3 o8 a! uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % a: |$ k* z( t5 z

- V6 }6 p) _5 G3 H6 uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' P7 X8 s) k& `* W6 l  ?4 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, [4 v7 B1 a9 c5 h* N# P( v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  |/ X" `$ O* ^# L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ l' d4 U9 F' Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; e( c/ @1 C) Y) ?& Zit's starting because we have sins......* z2 z% L3 @' b% {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + i+ X) v, z7 x% C/ u6 _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 H9 T  V4 U9 {6 N只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," i9 j! W# I. S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. \  ]# _: ^( D! z6 j$ B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 b" |  w! W* I7 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 X$ [) r2 Z: I+ a% Y% Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 w* y  J7 ~" I' P) Q. D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 ?9 G5 i/ k* H8 ?4 L. X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 E% g6 T- l1 {& C" A% d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  ^6 k7 V! p! b+ A& x2 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: r3 \/ K# ?1 q. k  ~9 v

9 F! H9 e7 E& [) [2 v9 U) L, t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 y1 z, Z; N# w/ B' g8 i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ A* V/ d9 X( Z1 }; a- Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) \) `4 K2 ]. L3 P6 p$ p2 W  B! x$ l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& O! _! ~. a+ e% {
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 K  X: }( B7 N% _# v
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 T; y6 a+ d7 O" S
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- U* \, s* z9 B/ @' F
.............信耶穌... ...

' a& G# J1 k8 LRegarding the resurrection..../ H4 r# r" N/ S3 f, r1 C) _

" Y" n0 E9 z2 l7 fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# C' U# `9 t; {1 w9 D  nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.