Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# N0 f0 A$ L" S) u我係一個連自己都吳信的人% j* u7 [* R) b7 l- D, J; X' P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ ?. d6 f7 y3 D0 j

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' `# ~* y- ]& p: v" imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 y& t& N1 L5 E$ q0 D3 tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話, O3 g  L# L  A7 |) ?/ j5 P
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 L  u& W& P0 T2 |) k3 q! k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- J  {' O5 H. ]+ Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 n& m$ z1 m9 f" S$ ^- t) S* @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 b, i9 o  K. _7 @9 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ \7 G- u+ U% j) b3 |- `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& ^' H  Z' o  }! p' J8 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  ]) e7 j5 ~+ j, C"不信也沒損失": j8 f6 \6 D/ ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- C' R5 r. j( B+ mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% }; Q$ E# h: `; d5 u/ l* Ait's starting because we have sins......
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$ Z& I+ G2 K) c, H' X; V/ O1 Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 F1 L& `: \3 Y, O1 O4 ?. u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ c0 X; _. t1 o( N8 m9 N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 F5 S1 X" L* `1 g5 x1 w9 c* x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: d- v2 u8 L4 }' O+ J0 C% o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 `5 x: _- ?- |9 |+ E1 F6 m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 q$ c1 A! N5 T3 F+ [" [3 B0 v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 S; S  w( t: ~, l9 l$ v

  }, J; Z5 Z; n/ R/ B- q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 [# G% @) `; d* x* j1 n3 B* ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% G( g" E& d' I! Z- j% a
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以下是其他人的見解,7 v& H/ l  v- N1 \3 I" P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 H. d4 `4 ^+ T" T! C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 n4 E7 ?) h  B; hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.