Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ Y& N# _1 M: {: T
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: O' Z! I) T7 C. Z: Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" c! h  a& x" w* J$ e. q$ q: |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# ~$ N7 O* M3 G. n$ A1 Y2 n
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 |" a6 Y! f! J1 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( O9 T: d5 W  F; o1 r* R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( o% r" t1 [: m. u1 F! `* {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* T# f+ r6 B; E, L; m# o) ]" w. k0 i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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# f6 Q. W7 Z8 j4 q* O+ T) i4 YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % i' R/ [0 Q( \) H( j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 \% B$ j% c/ k/ j8 w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( P  ~. w0 i3 s
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ S$ U! C$ A0 e: W' ~" J% [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  i! ^0 Q* c; Y; a% s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) p0 A$ c: [0 d8 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: `6 ?& |: d. Cit's starting because we have sins......8 M- c  g: e- P. @  h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, t& ]/ r& n/ d7 z9 T3 wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: a) T5 _) i) L9 {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 r, g5 B" |4 [+ s5 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: M' ^# v9 i; Z  Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  M$ S7 T* X" @0 S' \& \. R+ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. M; Y9 H, t% q4 w8 E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. L& L2 H+ B3 h" }) B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ n1 M3 B5 @; t, _# l" V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- u/ H( m. h& s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; I; E( N7 e: J- C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; V  G6 o+ ?/ G5 }2 w7 P
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 [' z$ ^; D8 t4 Z3 ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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; N# K! W% @- L- _# i$ bRegarding the resurrection...." x, C1 A5 a% z9 E2 E5 Q# Q
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: q# ]5 {7 E. _/ u1 x6 g4 d9 c
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.