Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) I4 E& h* V3 o$ g6 S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 v6 R6 C9 `/ N: j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 c8 V" O# H4 T4 M1 A

  m5 t8 a1 X# n% \/ Q: ?7 @+ N1 NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! P3 Q$ ^- q) t

$ \1 y  Z; c9 ?/ P7 |' M) wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ u" Y; n; Y- _# tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! V+ K* c) }7 m+ a. }  Q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 J! j& u0 H% d" n9 J我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人* c3 t  m1 i, F7 s* l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' H3 T, D4 f( l: b1 u; D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" X! s3 u# j7 J1 `7 v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ G2 J( s4 |6 c  Y  d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 ?$ n4 S( @+ l; t6 B7 KWhat a statement we have here?- Z2 x7 l3 j4 ~4 ]5 `# ~7 H# A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # _3 R; K7 r$ j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 A8 Y2 Y  I$ f3 h, y8 O
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 I# d- \* t* b, _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ Y% e% S) E; P1 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 o6 Z6 H* q% D1 @3 @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
* @% X" H+ D4 i" Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; S- @% S: [# aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( p: n9 d( x. j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. z5 {8 I0 Q' _' O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- ^, t7 i+ h9 B; \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 y/ `) m4 F4 `3 l/ j9 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. k, J. N4 m* J/ x, ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; E' Y+ Q* `* m- \

/ C' j% s8 b- D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! G4 i  [+ l7 ~5 C/ m3 I; t, R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! Z* }: D; U6 q  g- c

& `: }: y3 s$ k2 n, F4 m: n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 |' y( f3 j$ j  M" }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 G; M+ t, p* f% }- n% U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 j  q+ u& @4 _以下是其他人的見解,
; L- g6 V* I% ~3 ?6 R2 ~+ w看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 g2 ?9 g( ^) Y6 A) b- v8 X6 [

9 Q: e% O! g5 B, D2 B! L+ ~0 [! b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) B/ A, E: y" W' W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% ^2 e- I9 V2 ?) k% a, q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; A$ H+ Z% p7 H1 l, T! O5 n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: k4 j  s+ k, \7 j

' P# P* I6 n: b5 ~3 p2 jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." o+ ~1 A: |( j' r. H) G5 Y

% H, A* m% ^4 m+ GYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.