Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 E4 b; [8 w2 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人( L& X; J" t& |  F& {, y- J8 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% v; h* W/ w8 M' ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. j3 O( B9 D$ P9 q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! a; O) v7 j8 }5 Q6 yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" X: ~5 U7 V3 a  t3 ?! S2 e& u6 r
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% `, h1 u, Y  g+ {% y* Y: t

8 c7 _8 {+ p; r- X7 V% cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., p+ u- X- P7 T. f1 N7 b  n
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 r: @4 ?# Y( M8 l7 `+ c; M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# q  k5 [0 ]/ j& }9 w6 R3 `3 |2 U我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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, ]3 c! I/ X) L1 T因為我是情感比理性強的人- `6 N6 v$ K% h+ z$ s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( k% Y. F% n6 H. m6 C$ j$ |$ O) U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' \+ k- w+ a# v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 Q( d) m: x# ?: F% E# f9 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( x) B+ E9 F/ b+ @, o7 |What a statement we have here?: A3 r- t. J# Q$ @' l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( e. A, `" G% \4 X* S/ Q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 ]' }# L) b# p* A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! T' [# _  G. w/ T' ~0 i* G2 |# mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 m! i) w' c, t# Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) m3 N( y' k5 P+ N  j  i" W- j* Z) ?$ H; b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 ?9 R" u! v3 W  ^' D* U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": b9 G  D* x7 Z4 D8 _! S! O) i% T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 z- ]* {: d- E  J; G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% _  M1 V/ k2 c9 D8 J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 w/ N4 E  s8 }2 P8 _: E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 z7 {% ^" O6 \) ~: Q/ M( q; E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 L- {$ l9 ~% ?- q! n6 l9 a- N( M: v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 z* Y5 g, v! a( K  v! l4 J* W好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" V& s9 L3 o5 k$ {7 i' i1 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ G: H/ U' c0 y& `* @. Z5 L# Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 P% U. N3 T4 K0 e  C. j美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 S: g' c5 d8 R' ?  ]( V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 z/ C' M" ]! z. i. i+ D1 M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  [% _+ m* u$ |) I+ A0 M, }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, B/ m1 t- ^+ {) u) ]3 Z6 |
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ B( R( K. Y+ K6 D6 L
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 y- t+ S! K  \# a+ _
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 O0 ^- e! m8 i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.