Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 j4 |1 j% c2 T, I5 Y" Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 f3 u' Y# j% Q1 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 b/ [7 e0 @8 m7 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( Z# |1 g7 r- W: ]5 N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ A) V& ~$ p! i( rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! m6 Q; G8 U/ g+ B2 S7 b' D
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) X% o  z9 h' _) \我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% L7 A4 A: T; i, h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ z5 F# R( H* d. g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 S; U# N# S) z. L" V, @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 b4 W) c1 H2 p/ T, E1 hWhat a statement we have here?" ~% |; X6 j7 E( t3 p( o- z0 ^6 T

) B7 ^! b# a# ~9 e7 LJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ y* ~/ ?# H8 Z( [1 @/ I% h) v* e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 Z& S2 r1 e- Y( ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% `% D: f2 c; `6 B7 w4 z+ e"不信也沒損失"2 w0 d* P% I; J% H- m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 p( H. Z  u6 D  V! N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  H+ F; P: w& t1 P- ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; L- }9 R3 K. K% P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 B/ L! ]2 [2 T, D7 B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 o8 V5 z1 H& {9 C4 P+ M5 e+ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! F" V% L( \* I9 y$ c! B1 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ f8 P) l: D6 s# p; E  u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 j% E9 B# j, F8 h. R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" @' m7 [* m! x( z/ Q4 n5 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 A. o3 o" @, b- j5 e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* K  \7 p3 m  k" y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具" Y0 Q, R* t: ]% G1 j- {% h) P
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 ~8 a4 [3 M. O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. K+ n5 a- z2 Y$ M; A; f; R

. H0 `- K' A+ R# ?- P6 }以下是其他人的見解," \8 J; I  R# j/ I. a$ I: p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 _/ |7 c- i5 S, R+ l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, {# W1 A! M; c' P7 I

' Y2 n7 S4 u4 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 }2 v% n' n: w' Y" T$ ~: E8 s. x9 X.............信耶穌... ...

% g9 F7 j2 _+ m" Z* R/ URegarding the resurrection....( M# |' ]" E4 \9 O* C) V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 v' F  |  f; L. P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.