Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# l4 I  I$ v, P6 V" T& p  z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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  o: |' L1 n! Y4 f) P& s道理我知道好多只係做吳到# A# z; E$ X; u, c. A3 X+ Y% v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 R- g5 H" ~9 CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- b0 a0 p3 O$ m9 K( X+ s# HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: @3 Q! T+ Y6 O6 _0 A8 b" C7 V1 d# r

9 Q+ W+ j4 B6 F% J5 J1 A$ mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 R% I( s" \5 E( Z( Z3 {4 r4 Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 U( x6 D/ x+ `+ W5 R' E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ T; e! }3 v9 E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 ^% G5 L8 B7 n7 A* m5 [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ e1 L4 y6 X% W  q$ v: o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 b) E3 W9 i! Q, E; U' n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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! J! n! T1 G# oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! t6 Q! \+ K1 ~% V: C6 k3 _, N5 N5 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# q% q; A  \8 w" n9 n: V$ P; {

( m9 g0 E8 n4 \% J2 a8 L( NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 v9 a0 [4 G1 p3 f; V4 B! Z/ L. H4 L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 t" a, \1 n' ^( M% m5 s1 b  ]7 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# f+ A8 ~* ]; ?6 O. ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 |5 y8 J; Z* p1 m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! I1 E  W* a3 Y" Nit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 _3 T8 }1 O, X; c1 x) K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 c7 Y! E/ G* p8 _' F( b* Y2 \: ]1 E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 c, }9 R* p! M7 Y. M# ?6 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 q) d. n! Q- [4 n; z6 w: o' ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& A3 @: W9 l+ D+ a) i$ u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* c6 V$ [  U5 B* d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ C/ I6 B3 a3 J' X7 n* z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# C" B7 f. V. r- T- C8 V
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 x4 z9 K+ l2 o
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 o* h8 v# H1 x2 ^3 q$ T. b
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% X4 k  }6 S; `/ J& ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 q, K5 r# R0 T, x5 X( O; Q

5 E! {) b9 G! n以下是其他人的見解,$ O3 h( A  h# o2 O% R6 a& ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 |& i8 r% B6 c% E/ S
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* y' [7 E  Z* X  H. Q

5 A* l7 I5 N' `, ^4 }- h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* ~9 R* X" Q: j3 A7 z

+ @/ O% y$ j6 s9 B- }1 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 C, q# r; \7 E% N9 U( b
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( N+ ]) m6 `/ l; h
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( `* U( j( U. B) `8 Q, _; U* b; v
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.