Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 }) g3 O" K( R0 D6 ?9 z+ A我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 S" t5 P  ?* X9 q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ u3 d- @0 T/ x. P  ]- Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, X( m' J- Q/ N$ s9 X2 `: A8 @
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 u+ x) e6 K/ [! \7 Z( J1 B3 n3 Y

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 x7 t9 c. S1 f9 `, B
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
  B+ o7 E" i5 e. Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ w6 u. n1 u* K7 M: U4 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# E* ]$ e! u0 b7 L  Y/ v; O3 o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  [* ]2 u! P( `/ B5 e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; R( K" [- J% ^What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ z9 l( ~. i6 z( wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( m/ h1 A. O, Q  y- I' V8 G! t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' Q( ]9 b: i3 o- n2 M% q7 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 z  D2 ?( w. u* i2 K' M"不信也沒損失"1 y% [0 g6 q: ~1 D4 H0 @- o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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/ a. u& {1 P4 nit's starting because we have sins......
6 b) E, w6 v$ l8 csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% ~, b3 E% D, H- f8 }. Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* J, y& x/ b7 [7 ?& D2 M' j) Z% @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 O; c7 M) Y$ I; Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 w! A/ p7 p! e% ~; J- X, m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ L  Y) y; M' E; X7 I7 @5 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 p7 B0 ?( O# B1 _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! V5 G8 h1 b2 Y. N2 a3 `' i# Q: J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* Q* ?- F2 n% V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 y& o+ Z0 @" R4 u; ]9 Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 J$ x& y. ], A) p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ G! R8 }' X1 z7 }% k7 I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 O( f* o, s" H$ I2 \: a. q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  R. G( p- G# b/ Y5 s7 K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: Z9 r: l/ v! j# E% w

* I& U$ R( N7 v1 _2 F; Z以下是其他人的見解,
9 y' H; ?' J* p! N+ t( y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: L& ]8 d2 [% `! z5 V5 q0 t
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* S+ I& Q; c, u
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# c. X# R3 d" l2 ?: F

$ w( {1 m/ j" S: Z0 C; v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 o; Z- b- l' j/ b/ ~. H- i
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' @$ M( s7 R1 Q& }.............信耶穌... ...

! }- I9 H; c) }$ `% yRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 y0 _* t1 E0 i5 z' x; o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.