Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 ], e$ G( P& u9 k  B. n. N/ n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% D5 m9 G, g8 \. g4 G又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! ]) a3 w9 g+ L& _7 s, a道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ I' Y7 |: P1 [' @/ _( y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 I- R! E" e- s4 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 S7 {9 S6 i% J& {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& g8 ~8 H  _/ i% v! E6 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) }( l* f/ M+ T3 j* f( N  Z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# t$ i4 s- i. L' ^& s" E9 Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 E3 j( d, }  M' Y- M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; D$ f. n# N2 A: @( j真的!!這不是反話* K" g7 M  F. f2 t! [9 i4 E( V# o
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 U7 f& }8 n  V) ~0 |3 v( B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' o$ _. Z0 t9 ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 c6 q  f, @4 P5 p+ ?, W# g0 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 }9 X, T- T& x/ L! N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; g" r2 F  `$ A! S) j# mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 Y+ ^& |/ s/ q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 T) Z8 m. ?' NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 Y4 Q( u9 ]% u$ c, K) F3 S) \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% P4 t# h- {+ e3 @6 h8 y. i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 K+ P0 s2 [% v( ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 G* ^: c$ P1 ?+ p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ X- o& G  h3 C1 f0 C, H) q/ v$ Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 }, \6 n( O& b. {. t0 g3 O/ @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; E) Q3 V; a  a) Z) g只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 q' n$ ], `, [( y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ P7 m3 {4 N; ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  B0 S9 \" Y5 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: G% @! C! d, j/ ?: i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 T5 P3 _* L! y: K  }/ Q8 ~) g0 z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" l( Z: a. ]$ Z+ C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! ]% G% w1 b2 o) O

0 w$ _& l) {  A( A, h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' d6 P! y. `) |0 E. M4 u1 s7 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 j  J+ p, {7 ]& w: o  U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 Z9 g/ n) {$ z" u7 ]5 |" O3 T* R5 G
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 p; q7 [8 k" x$ F信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 w* S( v' i9 X- f/ b& u8 o
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以下是其他人的見解,
: f1 p0 ~1 f7 a; l# i# y& a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 G1 I  {$ v: e% j, @5 o3 Y/ [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, Z  N. W, V$ K. L$ g) S" V4 Q$ v

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. I4 r7 C+ D( ?, |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. ~( N) C% R# i! n# ^5 w$ l

5 T# v. i4 B( o& d, }: S4 w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 L- F5 X3 C) N+ c5 ]" \5 ^$ ?7 C
.............信耶穌... ...

5 {6 K. a( ]/ Q  n; J9 T* y( LRegarding the resurrection....* n3 ~5 V% g# f+ ?6 f2 B' \

/ u- P9 b4 j! d, N( C! bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 r: a# M' D% i5 v7 P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.