Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ }8 B4 r. ]0 R4 O$ f% L- I* x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, ^, q/ c- N- b6 q. W9 L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  C4 X2 C; d5 x  m, ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; t; w$ P* r8 C9 l4 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% J; [9 r$ M# U# ?: G

4 y: Z6 x8 }; H9 tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  U( P. T5 q; P' T: k我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 j* S/ Y/ @- O+ y. t0 m! n, L
真的!!這不是反話! U6 y% l( q( c. P7 e6 ~* [
因為我是情感比理性強的人% v% Z" t( Y& f: Y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- g5 f2 u9 m' N- {5 b8 K+ v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 u1 A# }6 M, D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 V* S. L. g, F& \  I1 U0 i9 y" eWhat a statement we have here?9 y, j; ?: }- D/ W% c- J3 l

! X$ Z. i* [6 j& B' R9 C: yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ ~. D; a& Y6 q2 {  c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; H- Q1 L- r  `3 ?$ j7 s4 J
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 Z' ^! ]5 ?- d+ m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 m; a% U$ P4 W* ~2 I) P5 w"不信也沒損失"
2 A: b  t4 \9 w1 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 W- j: H% {. ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ P" E* u1 ~* b, Z9 W+ Y
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 a/ y- N5 [1 X7 Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 l6 t9 S0 q, J- Q  b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 [% {0 }4 [4 x2 O  z. v' [4 }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 D$ i- l/ @% j6 C5 b4 E) l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" N5 j2 A( }: k( s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 r" Q" L5 s9 e. \" t. k. W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 z4 E6 ?- e. c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; f8 d$ \4 L4 A
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* z+ |2 x: z' v1 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 G0 i7 h: O0 ~6 E$ C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ c: o# i& r! H3 t" e  M/ ]$ K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' B* N6 o- K# _- i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  O2 J! n: h9 ^/ V2 W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 K: [/ A+ b$ v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 s$ V* j, Y) w+ I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 P! S6 {! \' W# S. B8 L

5 l1 w) h1 _) _: c" J7 [& z3 i. D# F以下是其他人的見解,0 L4 F1 j8 ?2 z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 O/ _) a; u# t/ i4 u* z4 @1 x1 L

* p' K7 H. l% L2 a1 r& X7 v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 ~, r4 M' g: B& J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ l6 o7 T2 h2 H/ y- Z6 Y.............信耶穌... ...

* B1 @  U7 G. Q$ c' WRegarding the resurrection....
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& g9 j# c( a! p1 p/ rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.