Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! Y& [: L" n' w8 c( g: a8 ?9 @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 s, ^, s5 h# y: {9 L2 C0 C+ @4 S" V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) |5 l% q8 T/ l- d7 X7 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 k. F  C1 o+ e/ i+ }( i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 q* O) s9 ~* a/ v* V

3 A: \. n7 H) {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ z% f  P/ U+ ]) b6 w' p

7 `  J9 X2 M8 A$ R+ E+ kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, u+ I0 u* x2 {+ W: w& r8 W" ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& o' E( E4 F( Z6 {2 z& `! h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 w6 H* \: }- d2 C+ f
真的!!這不是反話* f4 p$ t( ^: J9 z2 @% a
因為我是情感比理性強的人: t' s) ~$ Y0 X# V# Z9 t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' m1 ^" j. S* j- O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 Q9 a  F: ~! W7 j% h2 t% N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: B5 @) {% V# t  u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) B' @* S% \7 I7 @% E& G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 r- q) v+ }0 p: O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 d. P7 [# p  _3 A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( V9 |- [6 h/ n

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- [: Q! `7 @( [& c% E6 {4 x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: M' y: ^3 p0 o"不信也沒損失"
; a' L2 ^) J1 [4 MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* A+ q, @8 W" Z0 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! G+ F$ ^1 d0 g) f; u. A( Tit's starting because we have sins......9 f5 p1 n% j' C8 O; k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   D3 w% J  K! \& u* Z' e+ D: a8 U" h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 j% |0 d0 E+ [6 {' }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& j( M$ u+ O3 o7 f7 L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ _- f0 t3 D+ u9 T  O! z* `: d
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, K5 j2 G3 l, y7 T0 `% @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: J! v; E( e( B0 r. V9 Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ y( x3 \3 c4 }  @5 k, {" z4 C
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 F: a5 B2 N" H9 h. ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# u  V( A- ?! o$ D* E6 n5 j
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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3 G& h' C1 Q/ k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. q( i: b0 }  }; L7 ^) u

9 p+ {# v  l3 U& {5 B! \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% G( ]; n5 I7 o4 {

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 V$ A$ f6 g1 t! a
.............信耶穌... ...

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) K# |7 O7 ^7 z$ x; _- |3 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 H6 d3 f0 `0 {  s; L9 d8 v
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.