Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. i3 e7 P' X. i% S8 P& f我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 _; }) l# \- ?  j( L, T9 Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% g% T( N7 U4 w' t% Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ I3 `* l7 R# `3 r2 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( X7 }" B% X* U8 |9 O1 Y! mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! X6 M& y8 T7 ?$ }6 s( b8 U& s' ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& C. Z0 ~7 v6 H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 H+ ?6 Z8 h0 }& Y3 g我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 b  u. [; R5 @3 H' i% I+ }1 i
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 b+ y( H( I% ^/ B3 q% y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 H* y, B0 P3 ?# b9 D
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( N2 R' d6 ^( [6 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" ^6 t8 r) `: Y( X" W0 pWhat a statement we have here?, y* v6 n# ]' Q$ t- s* h" A

1 v, ]$ B3 c# ^4 |( j1 v, c1 a8 @4 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " q$ r& s8 s3 O( {& Z) k- c
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 d. P( t- y- ?  C  D8 W

8 H4 c: R0 ]5 c" @' q1 ~" D) r3 GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% ~! Y% D+ S+ L8 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 D, G. m1 E) @! n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: u) C* v. R8 Z8 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ y+ b4 h/ d* s) wit's starting because we have sins......' s" x8 {) [  Z1 w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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* O6 v, }( L% H3 `/ Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# [% K3 y2 ?/ h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 c6 w" `3 G* P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! k, a( d" w7 i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- X( \% y" |7 L- h# M6 R$ R) M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, R* T1 E" u3 L; E, }2 l! p! ^1 k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" C4 J2 V  e$ b8 m4 P0 s4 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, H5 M2 y/ ^# Z4 J6 U3 O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" g/ Q3 q5 g/ O6 Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 S" k3 x0 l$ W: u
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ C2 F' S, A) n1 w5 \  p0 l; r

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( F3 b! \' y3 }以下是其他人的見解,& K/ p. a0 d! D4 v/ D8 P/ g3 m  e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
$ d' O, l+ \2 p0 M' lhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& W9 X2 Q6 h: ]. c# C5 l+ Z/ v) ^
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ W1 ^/ F4 L# R( H6 v3 I7 i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ R. n; W2 w) H  L& B7 U
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 q% A+ O  \$ {0 `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% T7 l  U) _5 `, d% |0 ~9 {+ y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 I% C1 t3 ?" d& y2 ]9 qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ w3 L1 `" t$ f  ?( L7 z

9 B& z( F) M. O/ l2 n: g! n9 hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.