Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' m# Q; V3 I: ~/ H; z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 q# L) F* M4 ^9 D7 J- Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ V& A* I2 m1 @8 D! P$ E道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: \% k' C  \, E3 {呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# e/ q" B0 m8 qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 U$ v! `6 k- _  u- M. Y+ L' a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 T+ x3 M3 \7 ^* G3 w+ T0 j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 J' }3 B) A) i, ~( p# E
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ C) X* H; o- B& D0 M9 n& b1 I
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& }: |% _0 g( F" L9 V) z- l+ Q8 c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 J* L8 t% D) w( `) T: V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 a; J1 u$ @! f" |What a statement we have here?3 {% ]' [9 ?7 L. P! z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; A& O$ _+ |! p! k! H% h

4 e) K, a3 c6 O; \0 J: iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; j% z7 |  d  `; w

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ @: }6 J( K$ O"不信也沒損失"
( N- i. j6 T5 M+ ^5 @. O5 FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 P2 _% [5 _& w- [% ~: ^' @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 x) Y& Q2 `6 k3 tit's starting because we have sins......
' [* p+ l$ |# t0 z9 x2 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 u, s: h$ Q5 m, s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 I4 I$ S7 v- f( p3 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! H  A& o) K. D$ j$ C/ B3 X

' ?7 @, u/ _+ A* B, M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ l" O* p% ^! P3 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 j8 H- n" R/ Z& c& m) C7 o# P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 d) {8 p" V  L" m& |1 v1 Z* \* ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 ^6 m3 m7 m  _9 ~8 I9 l8 u  ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 i2 j4 S0 s. E+ }; x5 N( N
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以下是其他人的見解,$ J! C! f/ y4 A. ?. }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) [6 D, F7 M3 h) N
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- C7 v+ o& a# U+ ?. E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( m4 {1 W3 m: F$ V! g1 v1 ~同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 f! V1 V4 I: ~: K& F2 ?/ R: w- k
.............信耶穌... ...

0 i# {# R$ l: o9 [0 d! t0 E1 k" {% S. HRegarding the resurrection....% ^6 Q: e5 ~( C* N$ ^

. ~/ Y0 p* E% d; @* b0 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.