Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ t, t" ^* }2 c/ q9 \# B! [
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" k. |9 a+ e6 [. v0 Y5 C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 K! G$ G1 M; m' X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... b7 j3 f4 [) a2 ]$ U7 x( K) t- k

7 D; G6 T, S. m0 Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 m! ~2 }6 a- n. M2 v& u% j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ M, H7 W0 c" K4 M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 x5 y# S4 o# `% A* v) K我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 }3 o! G$ D6 v9 Z
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( z% f0 b  [7 {& I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% _$ F4 o, y, i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ \3 ?5 s% _. V1 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 a1 V: ]( L! N  @" n$ h$ r) m5 \, OWhat a statement we have here?" ^% M* N  c$ F$ k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; n# h/ B" u/ V3 U
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; \- @# t* e. [% e0 A
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ E8 A/ E( W) @1 a+ B/ M: C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' G& s. V6 O, V- c" B  m"不信也沒損失"
' b/ d8 A8 v: w5 u3 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: ~( m7 o8 w! d0 [( F" T7 S8 fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% @/ J! `6 Q! Rit's starting because we have sins......
& v* i- \! _7 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 e; C  A: F( C/ l) m% M9 u  iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 W: l( S8 ~3 r, l7 Q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' J+ s3 N% N: R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 P! Z' ?3 F* i3 ]7 L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) E! E/ h, Y+ ]# v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- K0 e' K. @8 c0 b% E# ~3 [9 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- G' i2 s9 f' G: `0 j1 T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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3 M( F5 D3 I! M' N2 d3 V改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 D1 z1 U5 o& K) U
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: I# A0 u- @7 T

. w+ |) L, k7 f8 y. ~0 Y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 J  o9 b/ O& u" o
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- j. r7 Y- v& E# s1 F* B/ \8 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- u8 _* S: ?+ W4 Z- y以下是其他人的見解,! N" K0 l0 C( g! y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 O( K; r( H" v( X
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 Y# V6 A( ~0 G( r) m信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 S. L/ _  ?5 D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 T  a. {: Q# x. r% N( g. @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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8 Y4 {' \0 P" n7 {# x+ VRegarding the resurrection....' S9 ^0 `5 W5 r% `5 |! X% a% E
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 O- I( ^5 |" G/ [% ^5 a
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.