Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 ?/ f1 l  D9 Y  k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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& n& I: ~) k' O2 N道理我知道好多只係做吳到- U  _, k5 s6 o; |. F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ ~% C# B' l8 E$ }' }$ K! p) K

/ {, ]0 o$ F: wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* V1 o: s! V2 P; K9 E! ?* e6 b

+ A6 T. g% l4 g2 q6 y6 Omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 h: D; k1 p, K8 ^% u& K" l6 t

) W9 Y# v# @& r9 k7 y+ P  `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- G! e$ g# w. u" ~0 D! A  ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 C8 l' m# `" G) V( c& x2 d9 l& h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# i0 w7 a8 _/ ~. j  r  r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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  I! ]8 X$ ^& U6 F, P% T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% |5 ]/ ?* ~# ~/ ]2 r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 _: N) {+ I6 \! V! l) h; f9 F1 ?! o

8 W+ d1 W5 S/ C* h1 ?. n" ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 o! y" ]% c* V8 c# S/ i& p/ C

' d" N. X- N' D* V! v( ~% a% p- ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 {( s8 X* N2 w% H% }: Z/ w$ e! H9 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", n( v) ~* B" G# ]! E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... P: `$ A0 \1 a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 g  A0 T: ~6 }7 ]it's starting because we have sins......
7 B* b1 v# C4 x% ~9 {satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" }; g' `. i% }$ W; W0 Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 ?, `" k& d+ s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* q5 F! j5 L& X2 p4 ^- Q8 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 F& v+ L# m! ]  |* @3 G/ ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 L/ H, ^" ^& E4 i2 ~  M. B0 F' ]+ [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 |+ V, i0 x6 i. d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 G8 E( F. ^( K9 E1 D

/ Y; A# B& ^: R, X) C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. F3 z! w6 f) j% A3 O9 i( r* Q4 ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 A  f& X6 `6 o$ v, j. i3 r

, \) F& s0 G2 h+ q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. L- Q) G/ d% W, b, A' x. E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# }6 b, q7 e# ~4 ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  V9 O+ T1 c) X0 t  W$ f, d
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6 E7 e( p, N# \" L% o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! U+ g- u4 o2 u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( B; g! n/ }9 B) J
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 A3 v/ g, Q; K% A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 N- C7 Q$ q. X1 b3 F1 I

7 N/ a8 f1 Y1 |4 u! H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 o7 H! O5 w" w3 L0 }3 S.............信耶穌... ...

: k/ W- h3 e  p4 u( y: ?0 K' t8 TRegarding the resurrection....) N0 P: f4 W! _- B4 l

9 ]' i: Y) b/ n) @  e  Y7 AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  r; A( h1 f' E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.