Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 p# K% Q5 l/ j$ `$ V4 a2 M: n! Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 Y" h8 m. [+ D/ p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 Q+ b- O7 n4 K/ g% _9 w& X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 F7 X" X9 x+ V2 x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. A% m9 C4 Z6 |: ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* d3 \( c$ @: M7 ]8 I( M% \
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  t  E8 x7 Y9 h% g7 a  v8 o& Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ P$ i6 w# F) \1 @: X

- y  Y9 g2 \# M- Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." d* l4 u1 i) r- d6 O, X0 G6 ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 v3 Q+ K) @) H4 X我只不過微小的基督徒...................  p3 P6 D, R, [% V/ B2 k7 G
真的!!這不是反話2 {/ ]: f* _: Y' s* {
因為我是情感比理性強的人, M* }2 Z: D) n) m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# R5 u2 F. Y" y4 @0 r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; T' c3 K$ P' g1 }1 d* ]6 C! |4 g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 Y; Y* e% K% |! m  }8 W7 T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  S% y# e5 A: f, C8 d( t# K: v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 }* r# e' m* W2 IWhat a statement we have here?
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( {1 R6 u3 M4 K9 |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 K* n& A! z/ M) Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 X9 u4 g7 u0 C' O. }( w. ]
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' r7 }2 z  ]3 j% S5 a
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 Y- d% N8 _9 F  n+ M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 Y3 j; F) A1 [- \"不信也沒損失"
, n+ V8 F, \2 U3 LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% w! d. w0 j+ S( h; z: ]7 Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
) r5 Z8 V& P( u5 {" Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( @/ l$ _7 ~7 @: V7 ]$ H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# M* v+ G0 E! l6 m6 r4 m5 s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; N; n9 S1 O% L( _3 v# z: |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) Q& V/ A' B' {6 [0 I5 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 w, t' ^2 n+ P0 P' I" ?& @+ c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 f5 c- S8 }, H3 o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 f; q9 [9 `3 h$ H. Q: ~7 Z

! ^& O9 q4 H# u# k6 k' [8 t6 `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 B5 z4 {2 Q3 f  P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( b$ c7 D; n( Y0 Z$ \

+ x& _: A. n4 n* u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' Y0 K9 g* [+ R: w. o( V7 C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ B  C4 j' {, ^9 }% _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  R: g3 t) R, m5 C
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( |# R6 ]2 R& b4 r7 `) K# C/ o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ y2 o- f% b. z& T( J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% T% }: F. M: i6 V
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以下是其他人的見解,4 @2 i( b/ E- j/ i. w, A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& [1 Y4 o" C) M: m( Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm9 {# r- F$ k" h( ]* Y# k

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 I2 ]. B/ s6 Z/ j4 u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! ^1 D: O1 D: J* n( x

. |1 A# W1 [- c8 x: G4 G7 p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" ^4 L0 e4 v+ K9 X, J.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( r8 D/ A1 G1 M2 L' e# t$ r
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& i/ T. s+ K0 l0 q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.