Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: L' u/ @5 P0 o0 d$ U! x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  E6 U1 |4 M! b0 y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 U7 n/ \+ ~+ ?6 y' Q  c/ M

! {! S* y9 T2 ^* O) m$ P" xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... e3 n. f& w; `; i; s8 V

5 W/ g6 _  D8 y7 |$ Y/ T, x5 Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... X4 G2 [% K$ H. U/ q

$ Y# C; O& K+ B9 W8 |+ xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  [5 n  r, @1 @6 u  Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! H- [4 ~: e( m0 o( n% J7 K- d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- G: M# Q1 [+ T7 c6 a9 F+ b! ?; j
真的!!這不是反話
( E. ~) [# m; y因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 ?0 b! Y$ _! N6 ]* Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ p; b* O! ^) F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ C( ]$ w! ^  K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; ~" T( B) E1 V/ g- xWhat a statement we have here?
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8 _; w3 n6 ~( T% ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 k, `6 y! K& ~3 J

+ r. }5 d# P# Z. ?4 D$ Q9 g6 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* i  D7 X7 N$ C# v$ N' C! E' k9 {

" |4 z& ~7 l. \- FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 q  m3 H# t$ [$ ]$ X; q5 d3 P
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 ?5 i) d! P% |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, q1 c. [; r; M- b# v/ M5 Z7 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 c3 Z: M$ Y9 [. z& [+ P% B3 B. _, ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 U( G) P2 T2 I/ O- x* P

. C( F& s! N6 v/ P; F9 r: Jit's starting because we have sins......
4 h" p8 @5 k* R5 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 e4 W$ w# k' n* @8 K! X" m0 L! d
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 D8 Q* U0 C+ u6 F- V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( M4 [' A3 v# }. G* g( k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 `- L. U1 g- u+ l. f( i  @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 Y1 @6 A/ {0 m, e/ N, \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) S8 G1 q$ H2 u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: E$ y8 ?6 F! T3 x% Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! N% P7 ?5 W4 K4 ~7 J4 [# F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* Q9 ]/ S# s2 m  J6 p9 V' r0 \* S

% W4 i' k0 _$ C8 ~- A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: H* ~4 K  F5 l7 ^0 n9 r

7 q' R( j6 x) k  k3 _5 a( o( Z7 A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 }* Q  }; i9 ?& g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,& W' R/ D! |; c$ B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" u! G4 c" b. o5 K2 Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 |% Z2 e! s/ I2 h& U.............信耶穌... ...

& w6 B  X, I8 U9 @+ i6 vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 \- }  n) Q/ w( H% i1 m0 I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.