Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 A. X, A! k' b, n9 ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人- H+ r/ |, a/ H' K4 l% H& P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) v1 w2 _& P  |6 i) X1 b  ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 p$ i$ E& B! E5 `

5 B1 W* N) \% f0 e# ]1 ]/ F1 QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! L# T7 S! l, }* z0 Q8 omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ Y! E2 n' t" x% L

) i& d7 r4 m0 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ y0 D; R+ [0 E2 o; ?0 L0 Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  k  z- m6 ~! S, m0 {( W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 W+ w6 T! U4 A6 R' ^+ \
真的!!這不是反話4 ]$ y( t4 k! @
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, P" `  z$ S7 Z! {; b3 K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( r6 j3 y  i8 I" V& [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 U! J' l! O' ]( j7 U! i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: V, [6 F' s& o9 U3 z8 c

. r, D( v( N! p* oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 `1 \* F3 c0 h8 z) qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' k( H) y9 f' ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 s% w* c0 I3 Y4 v0 b1 l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ u" z1 ^/ J+ V: j7 lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 o7 m( i+ W, P0 N' Nit's starting because we have sins......
- l* D7 K: A5 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & w, B6 \& W; R) G& J7 ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  t7 i6 q2 u  V" G/ x: y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: k, I% g! f% ^6 n) l# b! R+ c" L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% h3 k# u* U% u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# `) Q) x. e! C  r5 O/ u# a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! Z. F) p9 s5 d, w, Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. L+ E% i) f4 _3 B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' l  F9 h& Z0 ]9 b) j: y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 G- C& ?9 t1 M: a) s+ c

6 I, e1 P( z* p: E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' u$ ~5 [6 u/ r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 {' W- z" T- x3 k$ g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; v" Y6 Z" F3 U( K6 P宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( j. A4 N8 k0 Q) T

, ^: c2 z- x- g* ^- ^- s8 c( t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: u% ^6 i, o! Z3 b( {3 W* j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( C7 U+ G* y5 Z+ U( G

& h; h  a! n, m以下是其他人的見解,
& e" y' x% l$ W, L, d看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 e1 r% ?# `! t
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 A9 W1 {' s; t" b. E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. R8 f# {& J8 `' J. @

! w+ w0 h0 j+ x9 T% R* m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* p0 s& y6 r( Y. j1 R$ n! }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.