Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; }' \9 M6 S! a6 o6 I8 E% G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! ^/ G* d, N! a+ ?, {1 A' Y

+ F* P5 T/ J* X( Z; D: Z6 bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ R7 `. o  ?+ u: s- D5 y2 g9 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 ]( K* t5 X9 b, @, e: c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 W+ e$ }8 E5 x" C+ S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 z' u% j# s8 Y6 y2 i: t" D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  ]+ Z: [) n5 P& i) j2 EWhat a statement we have here?
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; u# {& D" t  r/ O! `4 uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( Y5 L9 R+ n: _3 l/ d1 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) s+ G% u" R4 I! L' b

" K( z1 K& b# Y+ O2 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 V/ Q5 {. m8 ^  k6 ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& d" f4 B$ \* Y/ A6 F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 b0 U. a, G3 L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  H. m8 d" w) @- m6 O/ J
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! M* f! F7 Y" G- E, H* s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) c; v% U% A$ f$ e% z6 ^* t3 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; U7 q% S8 J4 \6 T' @1 Z! z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 f( \- y1 G% K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& n% Q! s7 r9 g6 I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ]& a& c: D7 ]7 B# A3 Y8 X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 `6 g1 Z! n# N( {  L9 G  ~3 m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* Z; o) m2 I% Y" _0 J
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 E; Q  @7 \! I- {+ J- Z
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4 H: S8 Z: M; \( W& u& ^/ G0 l7 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& r& E+ b2 o5 Y; \' p* K2 X! s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* V* J) g6 R" }* {" {
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以下是其他人的見解,/ Z0 L2 A# C' l3 Z! @& L4 i, i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# Y+ ^( D; }+ I% N. [9 t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 n, g/ M9 i2 U3 t3 }

5 y: F8 x" f1 z. U6 b# \* v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: |9 D2 n& R. z  I# C
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& ]2 e& Y4 \$ _0 ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# k! L1 m0 V3 O$ |4 k.............信耶穌... ...

1 X6 B1 i/ V: f/ URegarding the resurrection....$ M% C0 z9 D4 K3 H  O
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 Q! k4 g0 g5 `. a  I0 T: VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.