Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' b$ y7 s5 E6 e9 @, C5 w: T4 L我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 u+ P& n7 g  V. ]7 ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! U4 R  I, }7 f6 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' f+ C# M7 N$ E& s& Y  H0 j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 H, ]; y2 U: d2 @6 M; _# e' r" U/ Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& O0 U7 c  s( H( O+ g; i: M$ A5 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! i( K% E- s+ E" F1 }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 B) \  s9 b# k& T! f3 k因為我是情感比理性強的人
( d0 k) f' Y2 h9 {3 h2 f所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 `9 A7 I0 P) M/ q, M4 o8 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- ]9 {  Y9 G! Y1 J/ C3 p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 o5 L7 w6 _5 \" g4 L: y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) m: V& @' K! r9 _# S7 h3 I+ G* B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& w( Z. E9 I! x( x0 b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + |! ~6 K& p: |+ L

8 [+ _  x2 G5 b" m8 }8 QI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." T/ o8 a  M! N& k" p

+ P2 Y  _0 r9 h3 T7 r# J1 f& s( m- |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) x) j$ y# q; {5 r$ ]: J
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# g% u1 |" o  {% o0 S, Q/ r- V6 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 G8 \! K* I! L1 Y" [2 i& r0 s/ wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 G6 X2 F" P/ x' b6 V  [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 O" ]# S' s: _" F" ^
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 v0 _% e7 S- g# ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ M: z- G8 S  U, r8 z5 C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," {& H4 ]  d& ~3 x0 K( S% @
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& B- i1 u; i# b0 a" E4 A' z: m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; t4 n! p: m' t& V1 p- Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 J1 j/ N3 t/ X! \# u  V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ l, e' [) o* J$ G, F( @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' n2 a/ Q* m! q4 \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 M5 I' \: j& b) C! ^- U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 }' L# O+ g" }, q! l/ _0 T

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/ \- O! f- ~9 v/ ~! \+ T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ j' y) t1 t& m6 `. F信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* Z& t7 S, s, ^' _1 g6 u8 g; m4 K
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以下是其他人的見解,: F: w2 l5 O# @2 _% v. Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 @' P5 X6 g" o, S0 z. p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm! m: f4 |1 F+ _( U9 ^
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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  b/ m$ n7 g2 h* ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 K' g% s, p/ l& R* t

) u9 U: f8 K3 r不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 Y* u# \3 n) d- W# R
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 y; z- M( q5 x: u. X2 `
.............信耶穌... ...

2 z$ C( y& Y; \8 {8 g9 x; I$ rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 h, X0 i& g- c# S( y) w
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.