Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. K: I5 h8 ?6 |2 v# D0 S  t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# h. b6 o* H- M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; Z6 y, j8 q; h% A1 j4 |

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 X/ `9 F$ N# S: h0 G- H
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- I  U1 i9 {; {! c+ s3 J. O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, [" Q0 D0 \2 I6 ]: h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& D: z. l: L0 h& r' j8 G; f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 S; W7 v4 R) d) H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; S. P; `6 S# g! `: P: p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , m6 M2 B. \' i8 J, G0 G( y! q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& h7 d6 r/ @. |% ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 O4 T; B- I' h" \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& F' ]( h: f. p* l' {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
7 e1 N8 |: V# k! DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* T+ n7 s' n+ M0 P4 M; kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ M0 \* o# E- R

  A. ^* H% ~6 A  y* L/ [it's starting because we have sins......! d/ `7 V3 }' r& N9 z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 Z$ J& u% Q$ `) k% H/ I9 q& X% y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 l5 r9 D! I' S1 B) ~# b
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 J% j0 U5 Q' l* ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ y5 l$ ]8 _" R7 y& {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 c& X5 ?0 Z! D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 G: B% N7 I) e+ E( q1 a- {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 D! e8 r, S& U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* I' v9 F& _& ]- \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, O9 P+ |2 }5 F+ Q2 r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) \- m9 i% S: f! W1 B$ s6 m+ l6 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 _' V5 y' U3 B* J% T2 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; p9 R" }) I3 X6 q) p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& a" y* w# A1 r( I* L7 r: X

% H% }& x( j5 Q  ^' D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( I+ t% v6 C3 u4 |6 P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% z2 m" X0 t. e, t2 t- @4 n: h

( N+ V$ U- z; ~" U6 t, _$ B+ ?4 I, n2 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  h4 J4 o! W+ [& z  B2 {4 [2 P' p
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 ~. N" T# T9 m.............信耶穌... ...

* Q3 u  ~( f' T- @, A9 m- eRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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8 N& ~& V. [3 p$ a1 k% CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.