Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 b/ d8 J) f7 j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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2 D$ u4 P* v5 g# J3 K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 d9 n0 o9 R4 N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, R7 I  \9 c- U, [4 S
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- X" d1 {1 {* w8 m/ O+ |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 H  S: I! Y$ k2 d1 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, e" L" Q; G9 E9 }! v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  T4 `# h+ g. D$ r; U+ S3 Q
真的!!這不是反話# M2 {, l8 S' V/ s# F' M5 X  L
因為我是情感比理性強的人; q+ t- S$ U% N" X# u- ?5 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 g8 `+ y+ s: r1 i7 r' ]' [8 K: k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 j+ L7 A2 a2 J+ _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& g( \6 ]( I/ j) u# A) ?! F6 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ ~; ~% T: K2 V% ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., o- p: X2 a2 l7 M$ c% ?4 e1 ?3 S
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& c, X" U9 d) l/ i8 j- q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 g5 Q- [* F# u) F  h4 b$ XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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1 Q9 \* h6 y6 K- \: eit's starting because we have sins......  g. \# E+ G) w' u* G+ J7 ~! F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" O1 A; U& |( C4 m" n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) [7 J1 x. {  r6 `7 P  l4 F8 c! D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 ~+ H0 _: t# r: {0 k+ _7 L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* X4 W% b* h% W- A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 r) y# }0 @' [( p/ f* j- ?

+ z4 g! I$ t- p/ h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 U. \7 w& [. T. T+ i1 l1 y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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8 I: ]+ }3 j5 a, ~: h8 _7 q以下是其他人的見解,
9 |' Y  C/ ^8 v' V看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  |3 I+ y+ e1 n) `' Y% @& A+ G# r' Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, @: A' X: D. g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 E0 f+ F# D6 g: x% |9 r
.............信耶穌... ...

- T. y" {8 t' Z& u% L) W  F+ JRegarding the resurrection....1 g3 n) I$ p- c

; U6 H( s# v5 C# C' c2 J3 M' ]: P" fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.