Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* k) r+ ?; n, B8 ^: [0 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* {8 ^  V' k; D  O0 p1 K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) T$ h! w1 J( d4 l道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: n/ v/ I& V9 v" E3 v, m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 ?8 {& p: G( ^6 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 X0 y" {1 O% b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ J/ i1 X: D# P8 r% u  Z9 _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 ~0 }6 M+ R; n# a0 V6 e+ f. Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 i2 k; {6 c% j2 K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
, s" N7 k9 F) h5 Z! T真的!!這不是反話
2 i3 s) K8 ]% c& g* F因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 |: t) e: U9 f  N所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ C" s' e& f' C" b3 t# f2 _! Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. u0 F7 M( K* F8 B7 o; ^& L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! A4 X) d+ G" k8 s0 O$ b% j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 t0 ?/ \0 L$ Q6 G. n9 `" ~8 v5 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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/ ~* d4 l" @, q% ?5 mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 X2 \) _% `3 [. M" U

* ]* ]; K5 e2 U1 y" II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  Z' E$ t% S" y/ v+ y6 {" X( ~$ H

6 x4 c4 K$ l9 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& _' U. m* j- y% `+ ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 A0 R# a" ]& E1 QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* m- Y: t0 B4 R9 u: y6 B  e; l! g( g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 Q1 ^; h4 j! Y2 Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 Y6 F% p+ M7 v. ~2 b  e# l0 X3 @+ r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; {2 e; G5 V) E$ X+ }/ s5 W6 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- M7 C& `) v3 a7 o& B2 `8 Z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 d1 X- |" p2 ?; r, V3 g+ |+ L$ E/ b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ T2 b6 W) l! S. u. }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. G5 E& l" W- y& @, K& y2 j- W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% s' q! d7 I6 F/ y. w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( W: d) g( s0 w7 l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 p# W- J2 ^- W

2 U$ g1 I# H+ c" w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( W# s5 g3 S, c. M6 z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ \6 L* ?) ^# j7 x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  s. L5 c5 `3 k: ?3 ]) Y9 i
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. U! B# h1 t5 e+ i4 R, O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, C5 l; B- g% m! @+ q. D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 P- l' w$ \' L# {7 x! ~7 ?' G
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以下是其他人的見解,
% i% b6 o: @0 w: s$ t. u) G3 ]看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& i6 W9 ?3 @4 u5 @: x# t

+ z8 d4 u8 T$ F( ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. H; T/ P1 |% J7 F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; O0 |, E" i& Q5 [' D& d

$ A/ `% O6 ?1 H" ~# Y$ o" o/ D7 M: j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  A- w0 y, [, G" D.............信耶穌... ...

: q5 M4 p7 u% k2 i: V. VRegarding the resurrection....# P5 Q; E, G3 G- {# o) A0 s

. g: n, D4 r! d( c5 o1 _! {4 M: wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.