Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: U& o/ W; ]$ o$ U0 {5 Y3 A" |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ C' f5 V5 P, ?) j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. [- y, J8 @( a8 A4 J* m, t" g5 M+ Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" p. B+ d/ t% dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 m2 O' q9 Y% Z5 m1 o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- y  ]1 H1 u+ ^, U' {, ~! F
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( W% ~: R9 A. G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; V. L$ C/ W  [; k. D' e  Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 c' _/ J6 q" y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* e2 J4 _$ s! w) o3 LWhat a statement we have here?! X1 ?: P  W/ F$ s1 d$ r( H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 E9 C0 M( D" r% v8 e" A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 l0 Q- [* g- p6 Q' q2 P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 t7 i$ j+ f' y+ d5 F. s4 \, q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 z; B! t: `, C1 g0 Y"不信也沒損失"
9 l6 k* a6 b/ i( S$ E0 L/ xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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/ S  E1 Z: e- ?1 g3 a9 c1 ?it's starting because we have sins....../ O$ g, I6 i: N" r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* x* `  N2 O  O$ h0 C5 _* Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( I; m+ ]5 J* q+ `7 S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# |* m# M$ Y8 C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 q# z0 Z7 L0 `1 g; d  r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 q  \7 b3 J. H5 S( B* J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 U: J" D* j  O/ ~0 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 ]0 h7 |" Z4 U; t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ z! F( G, E8 O/ ?- u8 u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ l! ~# f4 ?& o% g

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1 u* q. b3 E. }3 O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# ?+ j3 ]- J- A; N8 ~( Z) W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! b5 i% H$ l" S9 {" [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& b+ b* e' \4 i

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% _0 t/ v- X& Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 k* B3 A" a* J; k! j; h

4 o2 v! m! e/ o% a- r7 c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  E% O7 W4 c) W. c.............信耶穌... ...

1 M+ q4 _: V/ @Regarding the resurrection....  ^/ V! ~/ b3 ?5 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 a; U! s( s! C# y( tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.