Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& ^% ?& D1 u' ]6 I5 S' z我係一個連自己都吳信的人( z. o9 y* a, L& O, v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# c- q: l! ~( e. ]: E: J3 ~( q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 W  Y- p: B& R7 G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# t/ x; F1 H$ H, aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 W5 O: u1 q7 y( z" {) l* J

6 c: {" v* s( {- yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 ^4 {# J8 l4 x

$ p: y' G; M6 o9 e: ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; t8 |- B; r5 D9 [* n7 dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, \+ [8 j- K' e, k# |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# K1 o  N0 q8 i( [: h
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" k  f4 g% l9 y9 x: _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 j' P5 Q& F. _- [( M% K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ y& v4 W; d/ _# v3 s3 L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 b; @' X4 x: b$ N% r% E% n. M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  b1 \  \5 a2 W4 K! sWhat a statement we have here?
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1 d- i  x! y4 J4 b2 dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* [! D( _$ g6 K9 {4 O8 n

2 l% W2 s. p) rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 \5 h* @, k0 ^# ]
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 O: P/ ^3 \4 l% [2 z" V' h- w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ a7 e$ J! c) z4 i) A/ l"不信也沒損失"
& @9 l! a8 }0 V0 u; UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; {/ Q1 d! t' [1 u# P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
* u- x" W) J: g0 F2 h' V/ y- _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# s- c+ w8 X/ n& Z4 x& \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 `7 _5 t& o) ?' x3 g! R& ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, }0 }# C0 ^( a- K" L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 L( B$ B8 h4 t# y6 f* B/ j) f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 c* Z8 f2 p- C: [0 f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 W1 u: J7 n  e0 r! I1 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' p. Q, T! p' P" N  D& F, s& ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ q# M1 {0 c# E) o1 n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. X; f3 ~# K1 t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  C) f& L2 M) _9 r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 j5 _9 [, D- E+ j% ~
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# e- ~+ S& N( {( Y1 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: H( s, V+ z1 Z5 F8 \( u  s$ e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, U7 \3 I/ n! {; J# X5 S6 v! g
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) _5 K& K( f2 K+ \! {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* ~- W. |" O( V' n# ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 u, k3 W* J7 {4 k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 L1 `! m$ `3 v7 x) V* v7 ?; l

# K! ~, d6 ?% `3 x# l9 P9 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  Q3 v! w+ r+ [+ C( g.............信耶穌... ...

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. Z8 j/ I3 D8 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& T( i& |1 A6 P. T

) d; B4 b  h- R' A1 t$ ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.