Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ K9 q2 y4 S8 `% S5 j3 q我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 L+ g9 h8 N* C, C6 E4 d$ A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' D" K. w8 |7 _: D) R
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* a- J% S  o4 s: s8 j4 @7 b  z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 Z* x- V, ~2 X, ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 [5 ^& W. I/ l4 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ g; C/ N+ p: L' P4 y% \6 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ _% C  O$ B2 c

0 C2 P$ Z) B& x+ Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- P; z7 w/ ~" {$ W) P% n# l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 A& n* }' J8 P! T; C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 g+ O7 z, b0 c
真的!!這不是反話
7 z1 E; M; Y  p$ q因為我是情感比理性強的人
# |1 {$ {( `  p. p$ g% C6 G所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  F  n6 h$ R5 I9 Z; D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ i3 x* h$ l+ f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 M5 O8 {' E3 |- R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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1 l3 o1 O# Y( |% H5 Z, Z& N( h. d" sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / ?+ w. l( x9 |
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ m8 d% L7 u) z; x0 s; T9 M) j3 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 J, M9 H2 F( \$ H" `
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 t9 q; b: A  I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 K) u6 J' k% M6 E"不信也沒損失"
# w9 d! O8 ~, PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# y. P9 g: Y2 Q+ B) r! l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 _3 t8 n8 w) o7 @7 X

: U9 }5 R* G9 B2 X. `2 zit's starting because we have sins......
9 W9 X3 H5 J$ _! P: vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 h# J) r, z: X( Q- c" O0 J, r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; y+ ~; P% h* {: G: [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 u$ k# y' d0 c0 R0 |- D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 e4 m5 [0 C+ B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. v0 T* a' E7 N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  i! q/ p; p' r- h6 j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 U# D+ U0 m6 t! @, n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ Y! A; z# u+ I# c, |, m# O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 X( ?0 J1 A) n& q/ n% O# s# y9 n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 O9 t  g% G4 ?0 `$ L+ y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 V# f- j# O; P# D, R+ x& F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
5 b! O2 C! A; }+ x% |4 K看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& u9 b1 v8 N4 `! g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm/ W/ H" ^7 \4 t
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 Z% C( U3 `. F7 @! v5 ]# _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ ~9 Y8 m2 {' W; }1 l
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: a* j2 b3 z/ Q

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) a6 V$ B; z# ?% a.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 d+ H' M1 E$ `9 w, g, E# n7 d
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.