Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& \. h* F$ `) F( B1 |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( K/ n, O: v! v, S; T! x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ h/ e& _' \9 Z! B
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 e0 W0 n- w. ?1 x, U

9 T% T& g7 \) U: o1 J9 Z6 g. v' Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." l% o' h8 y) Z& s" N) S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ ^# C) ^6 \+ [. u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- x) i$ H$ ^: ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ E1 H8 }2 R1 y& i+ \' n) j1 f
真的!!這不是反話
* F% ]2 A/ G8 Q6 k* }( V; U因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* U9 A2 i8 a# ]8 ?. Y& c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 \3 S& a& ]: T1 \6 x1 |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 u9 x8 J+ a$ H$ L% F. A) ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# d, O$ R0 Z" b* v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 U& O/ o# Q+ n3 N$ m2 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ d% z0 H2 M8 B/ D

* y! n: u# f( k0 T9 A2 B1 a0 mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* p0 d  J+ `* D* y. H
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. i+ [/ J2 x) D+ Z6 V/ d- [$ z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 X, Y" w; ?7 q) N$ E"不信也沒損失"! k) r6 S: M( v& ]. C" S: ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: Q$ Z5 w/ O+ X0 J7 ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 w; m9 k5 C& B4 t  t) H/ t, Vit's starting because we have sins......
5 m" n- z5 B* j! g& g: F/ zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 w6 F5 T9 d# e/ K( H8 q1 o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") r0 R4 V0 B  ^. ?( E+ N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 f( I- @9 ~* e' m5 Q& `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 I' W5 L. k8 \: B6 I) x
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 ?2 Y* v$ D- e4 T' I4 A: m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& G0 m. U) [( ^: D# m" k

0 B8 E1 [) a' r5 |. Z) N  L3 y以下是其他人的見解,% \; s* V8 f% M; F. S. F: x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' ^3 @" Y+ ?% I: y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- Z6 u  a7 d3 Z' G2 J- l6 S/ B) M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' |( i- p- _) P9 g, k
.............信耶穌... ...

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1 o8 l# i- X& U  c' D" ?3 c! MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.