Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) B  ^. t3 m) y# L  f3 f. p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, j* Y$ M% X& [/ Y+ G% `; E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 z" O, P/ ~1 A' Y% |道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 L7 f* A) ?: q  y7 u% i0 K  U
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: ~: j) o, m+ f# S9 J& wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 \) j* n9 J3 Q3 Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 a3 U3 u5 d6 k7 T  jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ L* R; J1 l- D+ b/ ~% k, I: @5 u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人7 P4 b4 G* n  M5 J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 W* m* K1 N% @1 Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- ], H" S) e; R4 F" b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# e- T0 x: X/ K, {7 z2 J. L$ G% hWhat a statement we have here?, L( B. S) n- N4 s1 A9 ^+ |! E" U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., U" C5 r  G, v  F( J8 l6 N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
1 n: s1 T+ y6 G3 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 F2 e) f. e+ jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' @% G! t, j: a! W5 oit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, P2 L# G2 a6 V4 `/ y$ E只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 u& D1 ]' f. i! A8 k4 C2 t; d: ^. }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ @( @* a2 q4 i3 }) M& G. C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 |. O# o/ ]" K( o4 H! D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ E& A; t* ~$ Q. Z; w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 [" q9 t, X! [: z+ S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ j0 R. }3 V; z2 B. }  f6 G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; \% S$ ~% Z- ?. i! f; y$ u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 m) }! t) r6 k
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  m7 t& f# u% r7 z- f; g- ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,& A1 x7 b* P4 @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. R5 b# i' P* _7 X/ @
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# H) `3 [, n* G+ C! K" l/ s, Y( P4 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 q5 X% G4 ?, F. J, Y( f5 S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 o1 e/ m: Q- H7 U

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 G! j  U! r( \) B.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.