Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* Q& W5 n* {* S- F- A  q我係一個連自己都吳信的人! e- m; s3 n6 h9 P3 O5 M: y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ o+ V+ l' j; X' P9 R
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ t9 F" U6 l) Y* T: m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' A. k5 g# K+ F. g3 u9 `

' z+ p  F$ Y3 u, C8 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* ^* k; N- i, |

* F- r. x! [+ t8 B) w) T& cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% j9 H. ~) [9 U* i' ]
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 u6 W5 N9 A! D, a; Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 p5 i2 [8 ~9 W) Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 ?+ w( }# z9 E  x) F" N
真的!!這不是反話* F! V$ L# B2 q1 y7 ]2 W/ W1 z
因為我是情感比理性強的人+ D3 S7 S! F% B2 L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 _& ^& c5 Y$ o, f" B. Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: `: M1 t- ?' P. B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- O0 ]: |5 M( r2 }2 f( X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 g7 z9 z) \' }% j  [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * L+ J7 {% Y* S0 {

7 S- x, b1 V1 b+ J. @( [0 ]- MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 m8 I0 c; T( T% w1 g

0 Y- h! l$ @9 \5 p: dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! y0 G' F# c7 ^- e3 T+ [, o1 n: s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, \8 M. z! T" M+ K! m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 Z3 i% B" K( b  i. F; f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( o; X7 R7 `! N; b" I" O' v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 X5 |7 u8 D9 D, ]
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it's starting because we have sins......( Q! J: k! C0 ^% \: n. F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 n( y0 g6 ]8 U- B: _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& ?0 [3 {4 r8 B  {" w+ |% w8 }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; f3 S+ f( O( U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. I6 @, q& ?5 O$ }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# c% V. H) ], k2 R2 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# D& q2 s+ x2 I! _2 m' _7 b  X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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( T- r. u+ v1 q* w1 X9 h7 b; G8 R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," Y! X- Q; i9 K5 {2 F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ E3 D* M, v. I+ j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" m: ^- U8 q* t* q! i, \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) n1 n- L' `- `2 a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# l* @8 Q4 V8 J* l% u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ Y& l: r' f/ h9 I# |* X
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- h6 Y: ]# {: M" m8 X7 f- m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 p7 B/ i/ l6 Z/ R
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: t5 F! ^2 l  L1 u6 p

7 y) |) l( C7 S, G. W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( X# g2 O1 k! }3 B7 P' B* |9 V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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- e" q; k2 @% QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.