Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 x. w' v% I  D0 A, l/ w8 o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 v6 `( ^; q# j: B5 a% v! N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ e! L" ^9 z- y7 S! P5 E# U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, Z# n) G4 @, o3 V1 B8 O5 K- z2 f  i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& Z& \+ D1 q# t) @& G& G

1 _& @  t$ k, P) q' u  M* GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* F5 _' Z) E% @9 j4 Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( l! o; A* G1 G. A$ |7 r. |' j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; |/ r; _4 y5 w
真的!!這不是反話9 M) q8 O- g6 V4 }) f
因為我是情感比理性強的人* d6 r# d! {$ k6 _  N0 x0 g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& i) y5 C( D; k% _4 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, ~  t$ ]0 R: ]- {" e; J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% X- G. R! a0 K) S3 o1 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% C" Y) M. G* w* fWhat a statement we have here?
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8 ^5 x. Y* P; V* z+ M; kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 g* n. q( |; d) o+ `( Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 W- F! b1 Z2 F# M+ m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 A3 z) h2 x: u' C' E5 @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ T5 ]: I5 G1 h7 kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; x4 \& \4 X. F  _
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it's starting because we have sins......8 X3 X' T6 ~& U; i5 S% m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' P8 G( k- @! O- B, r5 o3 H8 m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". p! S9 n3 s) c3 y! p  ?5 G& j; X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, N& S" t: K1 M3 O" P3 M, g: N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ l: R' t( D! ?& \5 O' o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 L$ V& q" t4 T5 L( o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- _4 u) w/ @' U8 q: |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: k9 V2 D; V7 n: i# _( P/ f

8 Z5 A8 I7 D2 ~1 |6 m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 v9 ~) _- |5 C4 Z/ |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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* z! C; o/ Q* Y! ?/ B% w- J9 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& A/ E, V  U  P9 y' M+ Y4 B5 |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" \" W' a6 v/ P& o% ^9 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, {+ Y  K6 M; N0 ]7 [8 y
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; ^: a% I) ?+ A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, t" [1 v1 e  f6 v同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 F4 h+ F& l' @9 R3 e- u- o' e
.............信耶穌... ...

: m! ~; z, ~$ L% r/ q$ oRegarding the resurrection....
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# N7 w0 \- \  Y/ xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 C: k9 ]8 ?8 A* V. Q; `7 z# M

: l% M* X# n' Z1 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.