Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, F9 E# r- u2 M( q7 a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' a# R$ m% r% A, F* u7 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 o' ]5 P: e: r道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 `! J! l3 ]4 m" g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" v$ p' n, A$ B: i1 l2 n  l4 s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! V, ?0 ~5 h" D7 i  S4 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' @8 I/ N/ x! z4 {* n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 {* V. s2 u" s# Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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' d5 }2 B; t  h因為我是情感比理性強的人7 w) F( H# @2 Z: V* P4 g% a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; e2 s4 n% ]9 N* X) L) r6 }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% l1 q+ x6 E% `" A+ f$ D$ Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: W" L" i# f9 e& H' b/ q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 |0 f3 I# r8 O4 g: AWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 S1 M( j( n( `' d1 O- j9 k" }3 GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, i7 z9 V7 G; b3 i+ `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 v, o3 P* a5 j' f  j"不信也沒損失"
0 ~7 c7 ~2 j' n& y$ s- p. QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ |5 ^" J* Y/ q  m% l) s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", @' `# R+ [2 e2 a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, v9 `( j. h, S, [( u+ s. W' `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 L2 }# u, ^: j9 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- ]- [5 y" @% d  L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 z$ h+ ^5 ~( w- q+ \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 L) `, |1 B6 f& K

7 L& w! Q+ ]5 O( v* g$ W6 _5 C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 \6 h* Q5 H: e$ _9 t2 ~) w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ k+ P1 T, w  x( g8 y9 e) h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ j; X6 x0 s. V# V4 y, Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 A' ~% G# s9 s, o/ u6 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! \  J, z1 w  _$ w6 H# q

5 M1 a# r) h3 |) d. C" @8 B8 E1 X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 w. [; A' `% K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 E: m3 `3 U9 D
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 I2 O+ I& w' c. u% j, J1 {' o9 o

0 A5 b7 x0 R( w; s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) z- J$ k2 O- s9 Z: f  ]& H; `
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" l* V* P% ~" b7 a) b/ H. ]! OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.