Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 |: y8 ]3 H7 J# z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% }0 ~, L0 }9 z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& a) x0 r! E* m2 E  o1 |

: r; P# z2 m6 k4 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 j* i0 U8 v/ [1 X* omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( z  N4 u' ]6 W) K+ Y5 v7 d2 O: ]7 X8 J% }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 I" o5 w& D) |( Z: c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
% X. `% w3 D! g1 G3 |真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 b7 Q; S; q8 i" `5 U2 y6 A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: C$ C( `/ C  g( W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 Q; ^9 `, G2 o" C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& t% i. j7 z( T" m' y3 [( p2 eWhat a statement we have here?! N4 F) i7 b' w% V: A, R

5 J  H, {+ L; m0 N5 y$ O) @: pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # R. f9 t7 K1 s; b6 ~
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 X, R& E' P; Z7 |* _, L, s; Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 u0 v" \! w1 @( C2 l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! ~* ?3 m$ m. M# x9 h0 W8 g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 B% X" f6 d2 b: ]it's starting because we have sins......
6 G2 U6 c3 z: P- q4 x8 Q9 ^2 R7 osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' @3 i. @* T) y1 \4 G% n% b' e+ Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ `* J: A  w  w2 C" G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% h! [" ~1 P6 `# z# y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" O3 [6 [6 o, p, N. x9 R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 B* @( n, [/ F4 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ l5 n. X" u$ t5 q- Z& @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& K4 A7 B1 ~/ @$ |7 e1 @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) g' |' @- a7 V5 n  r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ Z2 {1 V( S. l
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 j% H0 A7 }  v! r0 d: j$ u宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 h) [3 K) i& Z/ H. d) A' n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& F0 n9 n/ l. v/ S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 x5 ?. T0 z- U# G  u
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以下是其他人的見解,
$ Z" o) X; P  q4 X- W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
& a! J$ m$ Y0 k0 O! u4 h2 Ihttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# I; l3 O( |# o' F.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 \9 h! d2 L; v& ]

& ^$ I' r/ ?0 U/ {9 o5 _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.