Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 c" K0 @# i1 R我係一個連自己都吳信的人% y- a; p1 B+ s0 j5 l/ x, r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# d! y! S! `4 z" J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- i2 x$ t, N3 o; d  o5 [# mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. h/ O6 W: T$ X. L. ], B
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 n; M+ t: E8 \3 N' a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ E/ c- Y  b! G. E* u1 w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 r" U1 Q, O' D, m. a2 i7 H; j
真的!!這不是反話; U- O  K9 S* g8 P! k  Z) z  P, f
因為我是情感比理性強的人! c; I& L* j  }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 B' l; }; a6 l, \( k& B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ ]' |' R. x1 e% P9 b, E6 H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( o- }' K3 y: P, S& k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) n* ~* I' x' d0 n$ l! H) x/ {

! V* L/ j- w2 L, J% |9 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 U3 N6 K7 O5 b

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! L% D# ~' [/ w. H* ]  A2 [/ V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- ?. _) w/ {* d9 }5 a# uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- K- W; Q. g! \% J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' Q( U* C) a: t

9 v8 h" m; i; b2 O+ l$ W5 @it's starting because we have sins......8 B0 X; g/ l" i: o% f' t$ j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 x, w7 y  e1 r5 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ?& S: o4 \  Z- R$ l% j& |3 O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! u7 _* C$ n: Z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# {7 i7 `# a+ i$ f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 s" l5 c/ x3 L8 Z  y9 Y: s4 {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) U; v3 G. _- N6 i( H$ z/ E9 p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 ~& Q8 j3 {$ Q1 d: O3 ]8 k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 u- Q0 R7 \5 v8 a% P( G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! {# A& h& C+ W, P' ?9 `/ A  d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 D; Q% y0 W  R( q% M# i5 Z0 J

2 H$ C* I5 `  k: k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; q, `1 K0 a& L' N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: C0 U! Y- V0 ^5 A5 e# e以下是其他人的見解,1 h% D) ]& j- a- b* f! ]& F# v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* _: J5 F( m5 b# }8 i4 ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm* |* H  L  c: g1 I& n

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& ?: x; Z# j* H% S信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 _& ~' |4 e6 y- }/ Z, @

/ ]7 A$ ]8 e. R8 n- Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  n* L6 W2 ^1 i9 I2 e; i/ O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- i% G$ E! _4 q3 t' R  X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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- `3 \! @/ P: X/ IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 x5 V  ]2 p2 H, i3 e. t$ `) ?

: P* z) e* a6 ^+ }1 i% s; Y" |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.