Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 S7 n& ^, i5 r- ]* Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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7 M! `- Q4 p/ Q( G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 e/ S: r. t9 W+ X# A9 M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." H% V+ V- ^8 R$ A5 E- i- j! N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  l6 H: N. r3 Q( J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 g5 N8 f7 q" ]# D0 \3 j
真的!!這不是反話. T' {! P8 k) T! p
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 a, x8 R+ {! C/ v5 X) A, Q& d- |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 t2 E  R7 H! l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' U* C  g. V- N7 m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' I5 y; |6 R. ^4 E" m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ l4 s( K7 `! l- p! m. g

5 P+ Q8 i2 h( nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. [8 n0 |5 O3 h: ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' w! k# V$ ]1 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 |, l4 f' V5 v; }4 A. U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" M* u. c+ }' V' \4 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; |' k; l1 P3 M+ w$ T) N3 B# mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 `1 A" U/ v$ ^' V1 g" c2 Q8 ~" R
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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1 p0 s! ~; w7 ~2 V" N2 j' ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 V9 D. x8 j4 p6 j; a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' A- B* D0 R+ u3 T- D# I3 O/ k6 b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# P9 B6 y  o1 m! @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( y1 T) V7 l+ }4 t8 k& u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# f7 ?6 U! d$ |0 z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 f, }9 ?4 R/ \  Z$ i+ R! W4 ?0 v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 j; N. q8 o% i7 y! {' ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 R% c' o" Q8 }9 U2 [; C  I7 ^6 b
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* F% Z/ J; e- ]+ S# Z' |
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 P1 e, v) V9 Q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 K/ g1 d8 u# b2 r1 l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- u. D, Z# g) ^
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' B, ?% T3 u3 g% Q5 n
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.