Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; }% m  G2 ^# T) G* d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 V6 D8 J$ s: ^- P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 l* d4 k0 \" I! z+ \0 @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- u" V$ w! F0 \" y: W) g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ I! o& r/ ~- A( e6 GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 e& {( q+ U, R+ M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" `, [* A: p$ l+ [5 ^5 g* Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. L! o; g# Q7 Y7 ~' P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' G/ C# g( d9 `, C' K8 ^
真的!!這不是反話
2 ?% h( i  N4 K) s8 v; @因為我是情感比理性強的人0 u2 s& S9 u( ^$ o; U# @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* E: m! _) Y& e5 J* R, W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* s9 m. O. F) |3 ~# J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 f6 s  j  h- G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 a6 Q% b0 N1 w5 i: ]% h2 I2 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ V$ J: u7 q+ u

: @1 _5 n; F5 z: v1 @* G9 F2 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ o" h# K" I  P! p- D" ~: WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 M3 V2 t: U" E- |, d: YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 j: F) _3 a- a" X, y' O4 W0 U# ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 s# C9 ]( x- m# @5 E0 e"不信也沒損失"
' G. @- ]& |9 t) t, z7 f* ?8 ^- yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. S% Z) X9 t- K0 q( Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" F$ N- H0 a1 I" `5 h# cit's starting because we have sins......
8 |& N! V, D* ~; l9 f* A. ]! Q1 [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 T3 I% h+ W+ }our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 Y/ b* [) O7 U- P+ B! c$ a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. T3 l& D( x4 j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ P/ u" F! a# j+ h' z3 D) s6 O
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, Q0 o; e/ S% J0 X% b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" s0 M* W/ ^" J5 h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 b6 V; z5 W# h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 f! o# c4 Y$ [# l& N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 \- r: s, G0 r

6 y; b+ A$ c. g7 L/ ~. k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 h5 o$ E2 ]' N1 E% V2 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 j: h5 Z4 Q% o& U* j8 e美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ k) H! a# E) e5 Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  l$ u, F: G# Q4 Q1 f' k! `" J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- {7 j4 C/ w3 O: p- L

  C% S/ B) T) z$ _- o) U以下是其他人的見解,# n; B) a1 g& w7 [# F8 x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 T4 L" B- Z" V" M" ?7 M0 _( y

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$ V, M2 h) O$ a' `$ i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! Q0 Y# V) ^. D$ B- T6 ?$ T+ s
.............信耶穌... ...

+ {) k# y/ G" }& @* ^" F9 W+ \Regarding the resurrection..... Z* F% z$ o& w" K( t* u

' \2 u( _+ y2 a3 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 g1 }9 Y5 n) Z7 @9 w' S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.