Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! S  s' s; S: o: J3 }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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$ K7 ?1 @+ f, \0 Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' y( A: q; f5 M+ F! `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 v* B: {: E; g2 L$ `% \! ^8 F0 b. q$ O; b

: O0 m  D+ d7 ~! V+ I$ q  ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ F) ]7 B- O, x: f/ r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" s3 y8 }9 Z4 u: M  {- Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* N4 t! B/ v& o+ D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 S6 i0 P/ S) `0 Z2 C7 J; b3 {3 f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! A! C  t6 |# `; I3 O6 o$ y- i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% f& ^1 `0 w5 u4 f% h! X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 M: L$ K6 d1 E( L1 z( v# Z7 M3 H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 x! q1 ~# O8 m: v# U1 W. w  dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 p" [* }# c, ~- x1 o( uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"+ ~% U4 u! S7 J" W" `5 P1 \0 S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... ]. v* _! |5 U% c2 y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 E6 L0 B; C* }2 ]: r3 i# E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," x! o: m/ S: {3 p  V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 n/ F1 `( J# ^8 f9 b4 D' W! R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; E% n- V1 D; V' |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( A1 [$ ?( _  S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 B  r) b( w* m  c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 s. i5 [" C$ L- H1 d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 I0 |' z4 d- l: }( k7 W
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. r1 k+ `3 W4 W0 S% ?) ?& O3 U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 F8 D' W$ u0 G0 s: U! w
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 V' l+ V' E0 t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& K# S* P. F* W" y. f6 Z! F
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以下是其他人的見解,7 b9 o3 Y9 c4 R' b. d. B: Y0 q, Q" I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: `7 Y' d8 V/ R$ g0 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 d/ `8 r* K9 C. h# a! K  k4 I

, A! w" I' C' u* E% D% l! f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" T: D; m6 _3 Y) q6 X+ z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! @- S" H. P# E) L.............信耶穌... ...

: m* ?9 ]2 q7 KRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." s$ t( {' `' m! P+ N

0 T' }$ Y6 l( Z2 nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.