Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 ~/ c9 z' Q7 s! _; m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) i6 {# B6 j: r6 h7 T) T# H( N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 I) j7 H  I9 P: ~5 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" k. \; ?0 Z5 |7 `* Q0 q/ G

, L/ Q& Q" F1 g- S" ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., I5 z+ c# M: t& P  u

& r# p9 g: e4 J0 {& omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 \4 v- ]  c0 O. u( W+ B7 A9 ~2 |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( k) w8 C2 h% i4 e) @6 w+ f" s/ Y& @因為我是情感比理性強的人3 `6 k4 ^9 _; s4 Z; p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ ~& H: F' N- L4 M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 j/ h: K& W- C" O9 f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ T% O2 [7 x! H: y( Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ S( w) e) a6 z+ ~
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( \  F8 m8 ^5 c1 W6 h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 P2 @+ Q4 t3 f! }# ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 ~8 D. J6 y9 o1 h, Z+ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* b3 \$ Y! M' A( ]3 F"不信也沒損失"
* [% Z2 [& P, p; v1 XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ A+ Y0 O8 O4 d% J3 G; l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......# u) T  l) `2 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 I! Z# b% R7 O- Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ ~  r9 a) U* H4 L. s& D. R) e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 A% }8 \  b5 G4 E7 ^* t  u. `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' I( S2 d  H, @% i2 W2 T6 J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 {( v3 A; F# c3 t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, W- \. r( E: Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 O6 J8 A: L8 Z5 x) h

5 i3 y# x9 o! y3 g/ ?) j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. E' a; y: c' y1 v- {. w) @' X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 y) F- j8 K, ]" M9 z7 t

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" _: i8 O& Q9 Q) j# ~% V. ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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1 ]: b9 N- ^$ h9 o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- h6 \" x% s. b8 F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, G& N, q+ n0 Q+ }8 ?0 L

/ }5 V3 @! R2 U( Z% j$ [以下是其他人的見解,; W5 S( L+ Y6 s! D5 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! H$ H' p; l$ Y, p7 ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 s, d5 W7 r' Z7 ?6 A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! {- [/ @* z+ R, G0 P) ?! N3 T  w
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ l3 l$ Q0 K; n" Z3 D) ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( r, v5 {+ d! O! l/ qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.