Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& v3 ~) Y- F! _# _2 Z/ N我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# f9 F# [* l: U1 V% z# T, J( ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 r7 v" `2 f. r4 Q6 l5 g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  E2 O( B6 L5 i" A呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, V) n4 [# m  y1 l2 ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% h5 K1 V  _* H/ C; c0 }: ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 ^. v/ P% @) S' l$ [

9 c5 d8 k' J: N) [6 N8 r( Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 K% s3 K3 M* Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! s. l  p9 `1 ^$ j  y5 ~我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ _7 `* O9 b. ~8 i  h4 u/ ~真的!!這不是反話
8 {/ k/ b+ k6 w  ?- h8 m因為我是情感比理性強的人9 W' f) A( f9 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ M' ]8 c  u  i/ K' }8 C" }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% |- t% H( i0 e! H! M5 k/ a' w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
! }# J0 i: Q6 H正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 c8 p1 k3 a) `" O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& ~% N: e( u& b& M. nWhat a statement we have here?, W( m3 v: U3 s' b& Z' r' H

5 A/ g7 p; U: Z/ RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) X8 D) p9 l! G  N2 Z& j# Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 s% N# l6 @+ Z. t" yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ L3 f% S: _, @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. a9 r4 A9 @" t/ i  v/ T: e/ D; ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 f9 o; E% A- X! x' \) F8 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% b, M1 l* K  ^
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 H/ r1 P8 S/ K$ O% ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 y$ p( Z, y* u5 o7 \+ x2 ]0 E/ aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ J9 i; V! `' N5 z7 V! i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 E; q9 Q# l) \) I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; J, n% R' G6 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 S  N2 y% n' S& p% c& O

( H8 [/ ^& T4 R# T- p) u1 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  _6 |, \& B/ R- v3 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 z: S, p7 j- S! Q, u2 N

% ?! `* W1 L! M" k# D4 ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  P$ n5 l! |+ P8 H: Y0 K改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 T. R' J/ ^2 |1 F4 A2 q( G9 k* X. i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ j( `: l4 Y4 ?/ s+ s

, q% r4 v% E; B( h宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; p7 }% l. ?& E- a, D" W+ |1 A* Z

  x4 _) h: ]& s" L$ [! Q  ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, w2 g' U% v6 W" Y# E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( T0 V  F- [8 A( F% \7 J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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& d8 C5 B0 R0 N% T1 m+ a$ y9 B[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 o2 b( E0 Q$ @* v' z$ l

2 d/ r% D& @' Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. a  o. d+ v2 d( _: H. `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! i0 h8 N) a2 a2 f  v* L! q4 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! N/ e* D7 w* x& \; E! \
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 }" g  {8 v* j

3 R2 N2 `+ n( h0 G& l. g5 zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.