Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ ?6 d6 c& L3 \+ V5 D% i我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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. ^* U8 j# ]7 v4 V, l道理我知道好多只係做吳到- ~* h3 }* D7 O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' v1 v1 f( a2 g/ S3 I- ~- ^

+ [& n+ m: K& z: }* Y8 u6 hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 m; |! r3 R8 G- e- g, R8 D

0 I* F) e2 j5 }2 a; Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 y; y( J' T0 C: i) c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- F& Z+ `* u! u/ m) P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 _/ O0 f  o- k  g8 H6 z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& h# C* I! n% e7 [6 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% T# K6 j, D5 W: fWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; J& s: c! t3 u# Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, d( }9 z. A2 L+ H. @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 s7 m$ K7 g& L" h' pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 q  {; ~4 M: |; M$ v* k" m! Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 ?; [! ?0 j% U" K- J. j1 hit's starting because we have sins......  b6 J  l, b/ c  r: q  x. X: j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 s& Z4 c5 z: `+ b5 @; f+ `8 k9 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 O* v2 R! e5 ^) i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 F/ c& c4 H- Q2 W/ M# i+ }  s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# V  L$ O  C9 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," Z, h+ S3 C* Q0 Y) b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 y  _7 _  e0 T% _1 |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) \0 e2 x% }$ S. Z" u

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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% L/ I4 i6 l) b4 q! }以下是其他人的見解,
1 l+ l3 w9 Y- w/ ]2 f) t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ L. S5 J6 `& S3 C
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ \9 y) [) O- J7 E4 W" N
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# b. l1 C  F+ r3 z4 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; B, i8 Z- a$ S" _4 V) n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  K* u+ y2 U8 Q8 z- L.............信耶穌... ...

1 r8 a* l" A7 w0 k: zRegarding the resurrection....1 K* X, F7 @) I/ T+ w, k

1 V& K2 o; }! f8 FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.