Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; X3 a- w  e+ a& O3 {我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 @" A/ X5 ]! x1 |3 V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! e3 ]! h7 r+ j% P7 X, v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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) e! Y% S* z# tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  p: m4 V; g& V& x9 o% S, _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 K4 t! @4 r1 h; o( Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 Y5 `7 k5 }2 @7 M我只不過微小的基督徒...................  a/ u  f: I1 p7 k0 }% b
真的!!這不是反話1 o1 z: s* B3 ^& @, y7 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人; f7 K) R7 s+ |; ?% b+ m8 m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# q6 F: I6 L0 x) L, g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 [% q8 n; u# u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% R. Q/ D! l8 i  [  G4 n# ?9 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 `: a  F2 ^" e# e! h. S+ c, WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* S/ }2 P1 g5 H& B: j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! c/ R/ n* r* B' U, ?3 _4 h9 oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 ^, h7 }+ o) X9 K$ R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 a: R1 k' h" r3 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) g' ~4 n5 C8 q/ A- v5 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. I% w% |1 X( p) ]+ \! u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( \  _- J# T* k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: o+ W# v" S, K- O8 o) t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 Q0 Y# Z. K" |5 v* i5 s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ A" Z# W+ z7 n0 u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: R; z9 `1 t' L# z6 q4 b

% R( o" a1 j8 [8 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' N% e# O& u" f9 m( S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 G7 m; g+ H! m5 P/ @; S; v! @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 d0 W" Z% H8 M4 |3 y) f  G9 G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 O$ H2 G1 e! A: S: Q4 P) X2 O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ F/ p* |8 B9 J* }: B1 ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% s6 ^3 N, w- C: f" l" @# R6 o3 l以下是其他人的見解,/ K1 e: |* L0 I% x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* X; ^4 ?' _+ ~# w/ d
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 n: e8 @9 u# V; _0 T3 s
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' @6 t/ Y! J) Y; I% M' E* k7 \.............信耶穌... ...

0 d2 w( A) l( `8 \Regarding the resurrection....4 w( A4 K8 p% k2 f, L4 o* X8 f! y4 ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 Q  w, o+ E3 b% l
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.