Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ A, q3 N$ c8 o' Q0 |$ {0 q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ e# `9 \) {# S. P: @2 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! s: Y- F+ a) X9 A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 B/ h: m. p; s* e0 I; C2 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 S& K' Y/ J& s! m

4 `% \7 B% R- RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% n1 W% x: N2 i3 l5 B! rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 J( D7 M- O9 Q' i1 D

. c1 n& S9 S. K+ T$ M* rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& l6 A9 A7 P( U: j! S" b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 n, y  W# q# _5 A6 @) H7 c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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, J  ?6 L# ?" H, L因為我是情感比理性強的人: l& t, n1 t+ ]  _* {) n1 c5 G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, k7 T+ y- A7 N1 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," L, D1 @( L8 O( K! T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." N% \% U. U0 h7 `( m. k+ ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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  G- U- }) y9 `What a statement we have here?
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8 C( r( L' L/ H7 w7 G  g) x; pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! R* t# b* ~, R0 Q! ^! V, J( P0 v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  }4 q2 c2 g  S8 X& ?6 @) m4 N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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5 u4 M7 P+ c8 }7 y. A" m6 P4 T[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; a  B2 U7 N6 P$ A( m% y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") q9 l2 P. z* k% D3 N5 ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... T0 U/ B' x  |2 I0 X* Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 |# u, w: F: S& ]

# N' R2 z5 r) K( C& b) Y$ Q, ~3 P! Hit's starting because we have sins......
( Y4 k* ^3 j& k7 u# R& {+ l& Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; U( U) w  S8 J( y& _' s# H' ~' `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 q- y9 B  z; R0 T2 \! _! e1 t2 T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; B- U+ \7 j- T& n! C8 |4 C' ]5 ^' }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" p& s/ c0 h" ?' m' d" p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; y, _/ @! H/ f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, _& u1 j0 _: Z& @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! A& p2 V$ h( B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( {/ }' ~6 P: |& e2 X8 D5 h3 Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ r# _( P" w3 B% W& [' i

- B2 x9 b! ]9 t: Y6 C以下是其他人的見解,: N6 ^0 }+ l2 D5 `' \. R% A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 Q; U9 L* l# d1 ~% r5 y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; i  P8 n3 d6 S* |% Y5 u: S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 q3 R) L( ?+ ]- x$ o8 f$ Z; d# h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 A7 s0 X8 z/ ]* D$ L, d8 {( C) c0 f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  a6 a' m. v8 N: B+ V+ B- b.............信耶穌... ...

+ L; ^9 U) I! F3 v6 wRegarding the resurrection....
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* `) ?3 x# g3 N0 h0 _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& z/ S$ w. g) O) c; G* z' iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.