Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 Z- @1 i! l0 x/ ]0 \8 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# `; y5 G% K+ @2 v/ E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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# G7 s+ U" U2 O9 m) r+ r呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. H/ G" x1 ~- Z( J% uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 G8 N! P& ?, d/ `6 d. h0 ?3 G
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* W, z- N2 E  i# ?0 ~' ~5 {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 [. a! }. B' v: u8 w4 q* W8 j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 p, a0 _5 c1 @我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 \3 _. t0 t, x' I
真的!!這不是反話
0 G1 p+ N( A2 k" X# s因為我是情感比理性強的人  x3 h: D" r( `$ y* i" _7 D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ V: |1 S. x; R& W; A& u; l1 t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- ]/ ^# d; k7 T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- o, c2 J' E6 ~/ m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% M. b& T1 I% g# w$ T+ l( O) r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# t0 F2 f* b1 V0 M* ~# x

* [3 w  G6 q" `5 O+ A8 ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- i8 l6 S- o7 y2 x3 c3 j
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# d( ~# U; g/ b' a8 Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 G3 i' A3 Z+ y# B( M4 J) l( I"不信也沒損失"
- n/ f1 r  \% Y3 Q6 v. k0 SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 ~+ N$ ^1 j2 @3 h7 [) R# l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( A* }$ P6 o8 [
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it's starting because we have sins......9 ~) C$ E7 ~0 M/ q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 ~& c1 E" J7 L" U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 m4 Y$ u% @* Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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; |  i6 i% n- S) `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 s7 e! d6 M& z% I9 J/ b4 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 Y% `* u9 @% a! O$ M' b

/ q0 B9 D4 ]7 H- S- l! q3 ~+ o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( P5 @& X8 P; ?9 N& X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# }7 d+ w1 ^0 j+ S! f$ Z9 `/ `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 i' w8 f. F( X; k; m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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) Y& X" o/ `2 Z  W3 w% r! u: K以下是其他人的見解,2 \7 {0 R4 K' F: Q4 r/ K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 l. U. Q5 Z$ I. g; n5 {) `+ V
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- U7 Q/ g* K/ Q/ E0 O4 z2 F$ M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& j/ F$ f2 {+ I- H  h; i
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# l1 y8 j" T/ Y; ?: d% l
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 M9 n2 s2 U, @/ m7 ^) c# o

+ {( B4 W5 D/ p! H- o* `' S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: Q8 r( V) h  [1 r' c" k.............信耶穌... ...

+ Y" o  w' h$ `  N4 B* lRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! v/ C/ L+ R* d  t% e/ PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.