Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 v& j; D" P0 G& H) d0 h4 Q3 M5 U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 I! I! U: s0 ^9 }; D  T" u8 s& l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. m, T  J( q2 L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." u& W% Z% C) g; O) f, g

8 L8 @# u6 s% m; amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." y* H6 D4 F. g% Y% S

, `5 ?  @! X1 Y2 w$ v3 j, \$ @, mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- x$ }" Z0 a, |1 x
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 V( M# @8 A  X! W: K8 v- h7 m/ l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' T9 J7 i# b- l8 d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& `- C2 \* U5 a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) h: j4 K% c8 f- @" @
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ ~, {: d( I" C; l8 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 e' k% s! ?! g* B  i- e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& i% j+ y7 F3 B& k1 G* p. }

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 i4 l8 g: j% z3 i/ z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ j8 A7 z* o, F3 _! QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: e8 V& g! G: |  U4 @: f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 m/ q' K3 \( k" d

# Y$ F5 Y; e% O( Y3 {1 B* cit's starting because we have sins......3 }2 v2 ?: `, `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' Q4 X7 V) c" V4 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 p/ d. t' b2 |9 @4 t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( a4 p( I' y) f0 @* u( W* R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# u0 r" D3 @8 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 }0 R4 c* ~; r/ s, b. d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 d( Q6 N* n! L' a
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: w. D) z1 F% I( x  r4 `' {( \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 n' H" j  H  B; f! O% u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 r+ Z, R" d: _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 z: I' P1 m- J1 S5 B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- p: l6 Y& D, y) n4 U

- e" Z. X! v: x  X以下是其他人的見解,8 X# @' b- J. k6 t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: Y' M% V7 ]6 ]+ x- S
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- H! U* q  P  E: f% W* ~2 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# |3 u$ D) s% g, Y9 b+ j
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....1 h7 r# D; X' s5 w

" ?. Q4 j& v! Q# M# PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.