Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% G( F8 I- p+ I3 _' k+ l1 g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ K5 ], S* A: B2 t2 {5 ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ g: w/ @  |7 A道理我知道好多只係做吳到, c- I$ ?( b; N2 q- q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  n5 U' ~' U  q+ QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; G/ c1 \* x6 ~4 M) }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ g8 d& u; i5 S0 Q9 w5 `% j) X: N& T' T

- G! v$ Y9 \7 ]! ?3 M2 J8 C( Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& i! @6 \1 ^$ c( m) H; @+ \

6 Q, B: Z9 a) x' s+ Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 a0 y. c* D. x5 H( Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* j. N: K7 m0 R( b  K! F) o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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# w; X& _3 q, A# w" ~. w因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  i3 b% Z1 V6 W5 T1 o# ?& t% q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* k! ?9 x$ G2 r1 J5 S) s& b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( b, F( g. b& ^' K' a, _, a% I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* E% i% k0 {- n

- i: \7 D5 d7 n6 N8 q; NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 u1 w& i" ~$ P0 M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' T( G( V5 q6 S7 N0 S0 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 r* \) K/ t9 d"不信也沒損失"
% V4 t% C4 U( h3 gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ t) e- c& S& \- N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: `6 Q% p8 E/ x7 Q3 S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 _4 }/ T5 F5 i3 E7 f3 a" iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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. r0 G7 t5 m& x用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 S$ f3 N; |3 ~8 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# O" h% ^- a: R% g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 b1 x$ z+ M( Z$ x: v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 X( K  g/ @1 d5 _$ s* Z& F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: k1 q' ?/ n  z; @  w. _! a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: P, }5 U, E2 M8 n
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- ^2 a! I4 X* ^+ p! S
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) h. W3 M8 q; |% a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 Q. Q4 g) _0 X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# ~. T' ~# m' P1 X' ?2 [
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; `4 e1 ~1 S. }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' s( X: g' g6 ^" d! g- L8 l$ x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) y- ~' L$ c8 q. o7 O: r+ w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." x2 f$ Z# f$ N, u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 g! |, U& A7 f9 m, Q! u" i
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.