Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: R1 z/ Z1 j5 K9 i: J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ `) v8 [' F* ^" p又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: \1 S/ d6 i2 x6 J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! |6 H4 {: q1 g' i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" _" Z8 a6 s- D2 T; F1 hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% K5 A$ e9 o$ y/ P( b; ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 h! r" \3 |: o- O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' t$ h" y8 q2 z, J2 n: `3 E

7 {# I6 g$ Q2 B+ C& q! u, Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ _  w* `  g$ K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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+ ~5 M9 l( a* a因為我是情感比理性強的人3 p7 m) f, I* x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# q9 [! G& g/ C% m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 F: d3 a1 N' ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- P  ~6 e6 m* a- z; ~) v2 B; @' y3 `
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?+ L! S& c9 r0 k; V- c
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ z  D# g$ @; ?/ O  G2 m( J4 J5 `7 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 z$ h! C* a/ P2 B5 h% [+ }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 W1 M8 p; _& G6 s+ K8 w3 _# x
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; R0 c. m$ O# p9 w/ J, _; A' j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- x8 `& x8 @" j) x9 `: x"不信也沒損失"
7 I- Q: h9 @9 A. b/ |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. C  B) Y8 g% o" Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....... `& G+ z% v* M7 Q" @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % `) r( Q( E# ~" y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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; ~3 R+ A7 d  K7 ^' @& |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ H& M& @# F9 d; a  Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" G) N7 Z3 q  @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," b6 d% O7 H5 R( |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& P: E, t3 W3 Q, ]5 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" U1 t) I8 ]9 a$ K' @1 {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 H3 U  r0 Y( ^$ k/ w7 N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 ]/ h* r. j( Z1 X: d

; R6 c/ t' \7 q. n1 W- M, X6 V吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 s+ j( E+ Y( X$ G4 E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ E2 e1 r" _4 o4 V
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以下是其他人的見解,4 O5 r/ Y: n( h; c0 L8 y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 a* {$ |+ I5 [8 k# p% a- |5 t+ C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 Y  V+ e0 d4 [3 h$ D- ^' j
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# v( P' _8 R2 E8 f+ G. \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% h% S$ F) {( `. \8 t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* v* W! n8 j. p7 r4 O3 |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& |2 I8 ^2 O- j; V3 J5 }
.............信耶穌... ...

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1 ]) Y3 n: F& u- d: J' u- I! BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* R5 I4 D7 R( B: k4 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.