Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 B  h" i( Y( Q4 Y+ c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到( v- l; g% `# S- s0 H8 q9 v6 o7 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* L6 `, N, s# x. d2 o0 C: Y  ^3 KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ e- U/ z* D. X( z9 A) t' v/ a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 D9 t! q" R+ y) \$ A; a6 V4 G' [

  L1 }/ T& J5 Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 _: ?1 c4 S0 {3 ?+ R: t7 Q: mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) `5 o" J+ A0 Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; o& R9 J$ ~  m, \8 `/ B! ?+ a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 f  b) ?% D0 K( Q& c0 m因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( E( j! F" ^4 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ h$ h% b' \" h  N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 B& B; T) X9 ?" Z. L/ ]. Q3 EWhat a statement we have here?
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0 J$ T: J8 s8 N; L8 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 U9 m+ D# C; Y- s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 ^- k1 F! }/ m" S: w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& l! ~7 m; B2 h. q"不信也沒損失"
1 X7 {+ a0 l/ ^: NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) R, E. U' u0 W2 V& _( v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......" }5 q4 {. ?( l$ q% s) I# C" N, M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, g: B& J/ \# ^: Y3 T9 v0 J, S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' t9 O, f$ |+ }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 S7 S( V5 d% Z9 n6 f7 Y  R& ]1 J5 g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 I3 p2 ^9 X) V. o' J5 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. c; ~( j" P1 Q% E, [, K& Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 y3 L( t8 D  M7 c
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* h) p$ L: {$ ], p. i8 x6 P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 L1 B- y% ]) u# L8 l! F6 N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( D% F" R6 W& ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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6 e' o; U3 H  c' g/ d1 ?6 C* I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 L5 D, `9 A- S, `: e+ K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 i5 @7 e7 D1 y

  W* x" N7 T7 ~! L以下是其他人的見解,
# H7 E2 Q0 ]- u3 B. n看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; |  {8 P2 W, N% Y% c4 B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ Y- I' B( V5 c* d4 ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  N  D# A+ Z! z( L" a: y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) v2 m5 V, J2 X, y

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% M! A1 n% Z; d5 t  u/ I8 kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.