Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 a4 u- l' a7 T我係一個連自己都吳信的人  J" w" ]- e6 r+ P1 f0 B, \% A" E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! J* J2 x" k2 ~1 `9 C4 q1 b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 [# H& ?& r! H  f, |3 |, j6 ]; x1 S$ A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 W& @9 S0 h( r4 B/ [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* o* ?2 ~- Q7 I3 Y2 E1 Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ a; c! v- g. D+ R5 e/ ^, \+ acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) p1 X# {4 g1 Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 o$ F7 v' m7 d" w真的!!這不是反話
8 a' {1 q) S! X7 @) |因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 I7 q0 o: _3 `- r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 \# D; T/ {! |. ?# X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ b: P! M/ d/ X; w" t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 E2 Y& T+ `) F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* b$ {  w$ z. V, I1 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: H7 F& I6 Y4 l3 }+ M) a6 d0 V& K9 d( M* U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 \1 g7 n7 [/ W# m7 |) R# o+ ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; C& Q/ p, C3 K
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) N/ }) T: r& x2 {& S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* D, P, m/ d! Q5 m& ?4 C& O- _3 ["不信也沒損失"% x' ]8 H. x7 E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 `+ D+ F$ u5 @$ _9 t$ p0 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....... k# R  k+ i9 m" `5 X6 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 ]7 m, u1 f3 S+ M7 w3 `+ n' e- Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", @! d7 ~) v/ ]! [7 S$ w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," w8 U8 e* u* u* n5 v! [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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- `: B, N1 H$ m" {9 d- l0 N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: F' [: \2 U; N, }$ r' e% j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 K- p. L5 b2 u1 `+ J1 g. a' B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; H2 v- p1 ^* c# a  [9 Y* u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, n' L5 r! _% y  T" C8 @

- Z" k+ C* |0 f: C. f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( S' L1 Q  ^: U' ~# N2 W1 T: Y& k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* [$ v, t& J2 l- y' Q: M* o( L1 g* e美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# i. A( |; ?  X7 k2 G$ ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 d' a. d+ c4 y: a# @% l
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. H7 n/ }1 l: |0 G0 X
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ X1 D; P0 Q9 U- {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& W# {" U4 i* r# ]3 \

: n- l# _( U8 ^4 _4 z8 b& X. Y$ I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ m' w1 K0 Q! W2 ^7 a.............信耶穌... ...

' Q# K' Q, E( ^; g; JRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 f9 Q  `5 y, ^$ _; H

9 o2 X" O% w; j; CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.