Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ l) I+ [4 x" i$ W3 w我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 e: P8 A: q( [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 a. Z  _  Z% ^0 {3 U+ X% l道理我知道好多只係做吳到  H+ A! `7 U7 t4 w" u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 f6 `9 d: C" g' HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" P8 X3 ?1 q2 C, E9 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... K$ C3 @9 u4 v
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: _7 W* P& x& x# R

- J/ X: H' g' ^  q2 W/ `$ Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) w- D0 t) M! v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) \! b4 w2 q  \8 ], c3 \% N  J! q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) {  v; {, Y' j" r+ }- d# d  n
真的!!這不是反話4 l% @6 [9 C$ e) t% @
因為我是情感比理性強的人
& Q( O. D+ j; X3 e; E1 V0 O$ P所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( a8 A4 d* x% @' }; z9 n2 G" f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ t# Y, q" z8 K" |% I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. |8 J* j- l/ V0 v( I+ k# o2 t$ z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  V7 _, |7 W0 P1 N1 [1 N- PWhat a statement we have here?
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/ o. P: I5 |$ A8 F- A3 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: T: `: I) y+ m: O+ e

6 C( @+ O) c) S5 B2 A% R8 SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 ~$ q( X. V+ z" z"不信也沒損失"3 Y2 U7 H# [" S! T; N4 D: J/ a  J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' v' y7 I& k+ @% W$ C: G' Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ q/ c9 D/ Q. I$ ~
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it's starting because we have sins......9 @1 `+ J  W6 x9 c- u( L& T& o6 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 C0 }3 I; _" C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  K; U# ^0 t6 h6 ^# {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# d& v( U. u; \! \- O, Y3 [. Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," Y6 ]4 b9 j/ F7 z) K- a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 T2 Z, U1 p: L: y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! y  m; R" n7 r4 @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' r( x) [: P/ y4 x* x: X

/ F. g" i7 J. m; U/ Y7 {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 U$ g, B: P) w+ ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 C) I0 S6 \$ I$ p( B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 @. Z, S' J! i

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- e" d, a+ h% O: n! P7 F8 {- J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 p7 C8 P2 K1 Y$ B. y! G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ E; K8 t; {( _0 q以下是其他人的見解,
8 e" n- z7 o0 W# Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 Y5 f4 l7 t/ w( o
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% t  Z. M& ~& h8 h& V  r7 T" V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 v" A' ~% u( `: y2 ^! h8 s  Z! f

4 o3 s& ?& A# x: S0 p$ D+ v同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% r+ q: C0 z, X6 f.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 E; s$ n6 G2 N5 b" v; zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ J- T6 }7 u! O/ t' E0 i

: f5 F" e4 s4 U- R" k/ v' OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.