Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ w- u2 r0 r$ B+ T$ n2 t1 |  t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 j2 q  }% u" E: n3 u% b' k# p4 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ c. T& ^& {  F( }
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 v/ X# c6 B1 Y$ O1 vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ I- A. u8 Y. F% M1 W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 G" F( `. R  }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話# S9 ^" d1 t: b9 _
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ U! }  ~' o# I5 A6 o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- M! y% }( Z7 B) ?3 A/ T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 x9 S8 r# X, q2 Y6 l' p# Z" D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# Q% Q- ?  l' j5 L8 {

" I( K0 U, y; g% K; E, {2 I+ r! ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , s2 W9 i3 o! `- ~1 o* Z: m5 J% T7 d

  [* s! o* b) D/ u% m3 |- f  II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  E9 h* W) b- m. ~. I/ S1 z8 t) |: i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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: i6 I0 l+ s/ [& U6 p1 G"不信也沒損失"* [. s1 C. n) z3 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......# V8 x1 [6 g" h9 Z9 \) \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ m8 K; v$ y& s! ]( d0 Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ E# A+ y, @: M! W, ^9 ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ b9 q4 I% g+ a5 u2 L0 [- q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 c/ ^: o* A- @% `, S( E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& I( C( r& x3 y& w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: o1 S& s) X$ O3 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* Z% J- D' S% C- ^+ m! q8 u3 P$ ^" E2 R
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 u4 v9 M  E2 Z* B" @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* E( z$ U; U/ z  {$ A

6 l4 d- Y- g( {7 Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& A$ A3 K9 }$ V) r/ G7 h' M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  \& d, ^: {  W. m# O/ {" F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 G7 C6 c3 d0 M+ n1 M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 Q3 u+ a# `' r0 `" V
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 _7 ?9 M6 {% S" l$ l) D# ^; Q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 z3 f# C+ T6 {' n0 ^$ I  A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ T* o( Q* r% \$ ?0 z* a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 z% p) T8 `7 O

% ?  B2 `1 q8 B$ x. I; \$ K: l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* R4 |3 O& ?; \0 s.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: d2 D3 T: k/ v. v

! a$ P* [/ ?! U7 f- uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.