Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# `" l2 n- {' Y; w+ r. O, ^1 o/ w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- u8 V. l% S. v8 _4 \  x0 X7 m& G道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ q3 N7 \' H8 p4 x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 ?! ?5 T& V8 H) w" G1 p' CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 L+ G3 Z2 g) y1 W# cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 F) V3 l$ o' A. b, m4 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 W$ d6 Z6 e* b1 u5 |

1 R8 n+ O6 V0 ~$ [) Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% {' c3 P+ R) ?, ^  p. d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 J9 \% v6 b# f& A  @我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 V9 n' A7 G& b  o真的!!這不是反話1 N* y  E( [1 ~: Z* y$ O* s
因為我是情感比理性強的人& T) v8 ]. g' C7 |  X% ^, @1 n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 @0 K) `1 S! G7 e: t$ z2 A$ v0 n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 T. y7 `# h6 Y1 X0 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 k' x( m* t7 d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, K+ U7 ]8 f4 H% ^6 d7 f$ n. m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ n: ?. E- P1 zWhat a statement we have here?
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4 m# k# [0 n4 F6 sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / z4 s" ?' Y; c* v9 Y" F
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' x1 @% f! C: g, h6 ]

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# j8 u2 W" D( ^- R2 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 D  n: Z  R) ^"不信也沒損失"
# W, Q+ {3 Z; g, k" r  pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 |0 J" X, ~4 X! h5 S5 U8 wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 g+ C" M$ H6 |4 e' j, Fit's starting because we have sins......
  p! M% V; F  B* Zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& u, s1 S- j; e6 C, Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  H* D- |3 |: o* a6 r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 b# A+ v0 M2 k! A9 w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* z, C% `; y& y7 D: X2 p+ P2 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 n( o% V  D% C: k4 w% U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ H: W  c3 [1 l. Z% o! m9 D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% z5 J7 h6 U3 b; h' Q; h, V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 X3 r$ _5 h' _% P
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 m* [5 {/ t/ X: g& }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" O, j1 o# h. K0 g; n8 R" w6 ?( w

6 T% ~: r) y8 J' e0 T- e以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ W- e2 y5 @  l5 Y6 \1 y6 b! ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ ~* R8 |* X/ ]) k: Q, L

3 y, O" {  [: |; g# [5 ?3 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 o! l9 ^2 ^0 }' E2 F

" g" Q9 j9 U1 ^, s  o3 ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 p% j% ?6 @8 [7 K9 p1 }+ m

5 i4 N2 {) U+ x5 W9 H$ P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- }8 v4 T+ [" ^5 y* @
.............信耶穌... ...

! x4 Q3 E! v5 o9 q  l/ wRegarding the resurrection....* d9 m( @5 Y1 ?5 H8 b& A" w& l0 H
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& C( O9 d" D# Z8 N3 UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.