Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 ]4 F4 i9 I8 O+ p6 P7 V" n
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& ~+ G3 [6 ^& K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 m5 R: K( W2 h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" Z* T$ X  F1 x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; d0 H4 Q9 L4 j9 m1 K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- x# U5 ~# l) Z3 r* j- U6 d, Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( Z0 `0 A1 ^! B# o& ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話, E5 z* w& E3 Z) u! [4 @! ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 L1 F( T& j! C) G8 q6 Z8 m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 b% I* b# g7 {# J. B& \5 ~* n7 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& s1 I" w3 Y/ z7 w+ l1 E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ t; N1 a! \8 ?% D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 ~) J5 L7 U% l) G0 _+ z0 R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 F; O# m. I8 b

  A+ t) s, {" h/ R0 d' @8 f! fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." M7 x' v& Y3 d1 K* U# N7 S

( T5 ?2 Z2 r( y+ T  a4 YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. A* P2 s$ H" `2 Y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 c  `8 H: e4 V2 H"不信也沒損失"
0 e  L8 o; E9 H' o% h* T* ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 S+ W6 @9 c7 l: ?7 `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 P+ R$ C" @$ u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 o( `* {+ k% |; ~5 b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ u, r# B+ l, H: o0 Q  T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 H" h! M5 z) J# B& Y" T6 v# C& l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 b9 t4 g; F: d, H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ t! H; Q4 Z2 ?/ j3 _! N: W8 {3 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 o( ~- B6 z5 h: t! n# E. y6 e

$ y7 l! X7 N. l: ]; c) T: A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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+ O5 f* z3 c0 o5 E" ^& L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 m4 ?- ]! ?7 ~2 B  J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 t$ A3 r% o$ V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# o& k4 E# I: \. B. h

: [# z! ^; z+ U  u5 d8 Y0 s" p# s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: X1 Y0 e% T1 L- ~# g  ]以下是其他人的見解,; J; F) G1 ^7 w! h0 d6 f! T; H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 M" K* ^& Z) {: L  `) Z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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6 m0 b2 V8 x* P. l0 V! n& nRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 D* W5 o1 S5 w8 }* U. R, X$ X
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.