Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: t+ D# j7 \! }5 X3 P; U我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 B' i* y0 ^7 F/ }% k3 m- G; @' S又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ w" d! Y6 W8 O道理我知道好多只係做吳到* n% |( Y9 ~) d0 |0 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) P- K/ v" F' z" p: UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 U1 {% R* Z1 Y0 q

0 T* x3 G7 ]+ A' o4 O5 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* {( x* i4 l% nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 l6 j9 L3 f) d

0 \' R8 r5 I0 k) R; B4 I$ Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 D# a9 a9 T( y% [6 k9 o* d- j: R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; z- e2 k2 C5 h# M, \我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  g% t3 K# o. l7 b9 W1 a; [6 U7 N真的!!這不是反話
! y, H. I" w$ m& s% t因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 U5 O, N9 a2 p3 h9 e4 W! b所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" y) T1 y3 w7 s+ ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 N4 e/ k# I  G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 s- {4 V+ _) E6 c1 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ s  _+ G8 g* t9 z/ K
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; |0 [0 ~$ T, WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" w5 Z0 l8 x6 q$ i. }- G' ]1 }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* t3 H) T0 w7 N0 B7 X- ?+ x, g
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  I5 D9 i9 d) f! G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 c, `. |! K4 E9 F; e"不信也沒損失"# s1 T( S& p$ |; U3 S8 \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% v: Q/ o8 J( s6 D+ H. J* f3 e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; w% O0 [. Y' l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 U, ~0 d$ v. `4 y: I6 Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", W4 ], u0 s2 s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. u7 T, x. g; p( f) z9 g+ V) \6 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ T0 v+ G$ _4 N# G- N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 r" ^0 Y6 V8 S4 V( E

, t* A0 k8 ?1 j7 Z" g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 @3 h9 x/ W1 J: T  f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# c( n, {# t, e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ s" a8 d( b0 U. }  R改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; z. I+ V8 V8 i. g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- e' f- V5 P+ N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ n# I3 _5 O( E! Y以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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5 d" ~% W8 L; {6 O% I, _* M2 I[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. S3 w# q& K0 E% ^/ R3 m" h/ Z

$ P" F0 u* Z+ e. G. Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! E2 K$ R" `: H1 K

4 x& q6 y" n& t+ n( z' L6 g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ \' W5 V& O% \/ J& {- E.............信耶穌... ...

/ M4 S) e* y" d; s2 q2 L( QRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: ]) b2 e* B% [. n; [. eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.