Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 G3 {5 z$ A/ d, X我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 Q6 E3 D9 F4 M* f4 r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- q1 W* {+ _" l: b) p3 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# Y& Q# T, ^8 G# Z+ R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: g3 q8 ~$ {0 }+ ~6 t( P" L

2 B+ j7 h8 n# `! eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: h9 E) v+ O# R0 n. V% e5 M  t

# L  B$ {. Y+ d6 F' Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# g6 a( J8 E7 o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 [0 w' {# c5 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 B) d% Y$ H7 l, u4 L. Y! x我只不過微小的基督徒...................! D, r5 @& I2 [+ T3 H
真的!!這不是反話
$ w" D- Y/ R3 j& ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 v0 |; g) Y( x4 H' B2 S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 j5 J- k1 e* S+ U$ G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?% x% l/ X( R/ J' q% C2 L) M7 c; Y( J2 V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 }% [5 [; g& l; n5 l8 `! m6 N/ {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* ^% u) x  U" D) @9 P* W1 g

5 f1 m/ t; r, `* o" W& u$ BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& D0 g0 u3 R8 o2 K3 Y  p

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( m1 ]6 M( A1 X; p( J5 x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) {! l, L  k% w- z$ C: f/ n+ F

/ P2 t; m- C  vit's starting because we have sins......
. x5 H& q2 T' e8 w9 ]: ~5 k/ Gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : e0 J8 _, _  D$ t) R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". t! f9 J; G* \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 z: F: [; x. c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' D1 e1 o% _2 g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( e" s" a$ d4 _8 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, s3 R& J. |5 r7 o9 r; |) z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" v' @  a& I+ i+ K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 S* Y6 c( l, j% N" Y4 a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 k3 t$ y# j5 L) s6 c2 S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, i- m, B& z0 g- h1 P3 o- a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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5 c' F3 }2 C0 p3 l" Z, L1 p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 g$ t, d7 x. g! m0 u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 M4 I$ `, S$ G( p. j* f
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 N  C( [. N" g9 V

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  B, z1 {' T. a$ |6 Q3 s同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  j7 q# ?% L$ X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.