Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. ]/ q3 k, B; G6 u1 @& Y- B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到. Y( v' C1 Y* k8 N/ M4 b  c. S+ t' x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ c5 v! e! L$ d5 W

; D0 j- n' B9 {# k+ lNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 Z- x2 {  n; H3 n6 z' `# _9 b

  e: F' e' T& r+ O9 s7 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." s& m0 L1 o7 y) _4 l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 I5 }* p' {1 F4 K! D# i* R我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ P  h+ j- X* E: S7 J
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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; A9 h) t7 O) h  I/ G2 m( B. a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' J) y2 i7 P! p; X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. y5 x* O; L/ P$ g. @

; G2 n" f6 g& l! AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: q$ e! G2 S8 LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 P, o" K$ w9 L"不信也沒損失"
8 i) T# o. f. a2 zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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* O) {% e( ^5 y, @; `8 c5 X4 Lit's starting because we have sins......
% B& C) a$ e, o9 Osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ \: ]3 c% t2 I3 z2 X' ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ ?1 P/ C5 }$ O4 W% m( M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; {6 b1 U: ]4 Z& ]! }" r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 O# u. M! u. j0 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* o; c( `0 ?( D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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4 a3 Z( u' Y' v# r, k; E, s6 U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: ?$ [1 |, _% F! R7 w- q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' J' ?! s0 W6 }  ^8 g; Q6 J2 K

, b& C, X& x/ d# W0 d, g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  x( [  |5 v6 D8 w# l$ m7 r! ^4 u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection..... V6 z5 Z) s% V3 ]& D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.