Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 a* i' E4 f0 F1 E# t: @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  i: J# |7 R- A" `* F5 o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; b  k! E' r8 H! ^" Z  A9 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ f# K+ m' s- w  x) C6 j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 e0 y% Q3 v# w+ u
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 g! ?1 ~# e+ m# l! Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& U, W6 [% T, _: F6 N% V+ N1 p6 y/ ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, q& U7 U1 w' v/ `我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# b( n3 y+ n5 G5 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 Y! x) O: t! u4 e8 s! B6 N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* I6 {" q9 d, o, |9 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 ^- u$ C4 w3 B+ e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 z7 q/ z! V# k" E# A3 ~! I

3 i4 W( }# \, E2 b# M" zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 a4 [1 J: d1 X( J* t  A# LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 X! l9 }4 t* Q: A3 _; x: p& u
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 ~8 N& r7 e4 [( B, z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 i% P+ l) V3 p3 l9 ?1 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& e3 F* Q  [6 P" O# V9 d"不信也沒損失"
) F$ H0 O& Y/ `! z: vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* R0 }6 G1 D* ?2 q& Y3 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 T* u& N8 z: K' L  Q+ u3 F0 Kit's starting because we have sins......: [: @* {7 U8 q+ b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. ], {7 u, d  E2 x0 f) Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  j7 t9 E+ |* D6 U, Z& w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ U+ \$ Y# a2 Z$ ]8 @8 c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' u: C" v+ F1 ]5 o& t# M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ l) N2 r" Q$ W4 N, l9 U$ O, q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 f& f* `# O$ E# J# q. C+ P$ O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( B9 q8 @' L4 t: U7 x/ U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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3 f! L/ W9 C+ I% C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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. |5 `1 \) I- r; Q. H! h1 k; \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% k. {- P+ c0 d  ~; X8 Z! z& x0 W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 l, L, H2 m+ c% C4 V5 ?

' f. D2 w, E/ l  p' E2 B  M以下是其他人的見解,
1 W4 v8 Z7 {6 k5 B; r2 k看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 v$ ^) r& X6 ?0 N1 E  {
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 Z% @& w! L" I
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) v" K" v+ M% O8 p6 o
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ W7 o0 |, L; Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 o$ j( Y0 e( B! KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.