Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 p( }# z! N- C! B2 {" o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. n  K2 ^5 U" g& Y: u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 g- U: G8 \% g道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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5 E; k9 h; P5 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  V- R* ^/ c/ X+ _0 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 a, o7 Y+ G& Z& q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 _1 B8 c5 O  ?# ?) {9 ~  c$ \) ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# E& F, L8 H: }/ ?9 `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 @5 {. s* z, A9 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! [  {. g' }# P- j- m' O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ x8 H' Z, \& B0 T% U# a1 X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 v. D% Z% c0 v+ h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- X  ]7 B& ]- N7 R4 {- J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! H: ^( c2 m* w

9 Z# c1 o2 C1 A) e% J3 e4 F; X8 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ w2 V/ ]4 P) |; I2 n- L

0 W6 c7 I( M& v& p8 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- e9 K; e; Y! M; e7 x  [- lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ q) W5 w7 u$ b0 o- V' r% u7 m( K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", a9 t6 `% e) H" X* w/ s0 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  x- I9 ]. E8 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 |# [) V! X  @5 q% O5 J* Tit's starting because we have sins......; |( d8 V  x7 I  D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& `0 h5 ~# o- wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 X$ v1 ]! ?7 T* ?% c' E# M! N只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: S5 G, }( Y! h3 k, a# |& `
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' p' _3 Q0 e0 z( I  A. [3 |4 Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 ?% ]2 `  l% @7 ]; U* D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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# c& L8 v" o- f) ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) x# ?" ^# A$ Z( p- m' _# t* I
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6 X9 V- S& h, M! V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! s( ?2 |- s. _/ z# o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# S: r: ~. U( \1 ~. C8 @) F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 i4 ?7 E, \( H* n1 w

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 ?: F) l6 x6 t$ z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: y% c. E2 a- Q$ H+ c5 s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  e1 X7 m+ h0 Z/ E+ s7 ?6 x% E

  C* t; M/ u7 [) N- M. E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' R& Y  E4 X$ ?* Y5 {8 V
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 y- G* l- h7 s" J, |

1 j0 V* c5 o" E+ l2 H* n同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 D& l; e0 a) S3 E
.............信耶穌... ...

0 C% N1 `+ I& i' o/ l/ uRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." Y9 x! V  y' [/ ^$ r+ Z; t( g

) t1 @1 Z; l  |; UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.