Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' f+ v9 ^+ ]: l* Q1 l9 j, C& Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到! ]4 u5 @- F/ t: T7 ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" T, C0 W0 |% S: g/ s5 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 }9 P% I6 z5 A2 F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; z( R+ h3 z( [7 W4 q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ ?$ ~# r' ?, V+ s$ u' q' Scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 e- T  ~; I, G/ o5 }* w我只不過微小的基督徒...................* _9 s( l6 e1 x
真的!!這不是反話7 P0 r( B7 E5 D* ^; E* h7 G, W" Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; A" J( ^$ |' T4 E* ?: G$ h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 v! U0 p) a, c" B* K$ v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  {$ x. Y7 Y$ Q3 E( L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 y" Y3 r* I3 b" e9 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?' X0 }8 T% d) @6 K& n8 V

0 c8 t& b8 m3 k7 f6 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ @( S$ e$ j1 @4 C- T4 D

$ s# X% i+ @& T. P; w+ z! sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" j! X. V' w6 a7 O  \+ [9 A* _' D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) n4 d4 u& a" i" D/ ^5 L: T"不信也沒損失"
: t7 Y$ u6 a: y; y4 B# }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 l( J, O% U7 m8 y$ g4 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& J# N6 n) |( z" Q! z
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it's starting because we have sins......1 t7 W- ~$ m' }% l9 S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ f3 I3 O! h( c  `, a8 y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 K2 V/ x6 u$ S  T0 b( A' r- K  t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ D0 }$ j' ?4 b% M9 \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; q- ~1 W# T2 v! A$ A! c( e2 g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 Y2 Y) s4 Y% O; K1 i/ c. {. ?' P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) l- o/ `2 M( l% I& _. N' o0 m/ C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 ?7 v0 k/ }3 f' d# D8 M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; K! K8 ~6 K9 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* u) H' R2 v) J+ \

; H, x9 D9 S) o# y! P8 ^6 s4 p& H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 u  ~% h6 k/ H# W; G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! o: j* W8 r4 i$ e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, ]) `, }( m3 l/ w以下是其他人的見解,
0 ?; i7 \6 }/ N# U! d7 v; u& Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 U2 d- Q$ u( A
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; w' }& z! C% Y! J1 c$ K' \

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# c6 B; |1 p2 o0 x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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, {" h6 G3 g2 H. z8 p6 O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* F# r! P* h( m& k7 E; G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" ]* ?: k7 d) o7 I& e* M

8 T" O  h( C, B2 E% v同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, X+ ]) o6 E4 t% r% p
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* P) M, F% M( o, O0 r6 kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.