Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. }9 F9 Q; R* s3 a1 h  u+ x) u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, [0 T; t: l, F" j又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 G0 d  F8 E9 {+ o0 `. ^% m1 D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( e# b/ p4 `0 p% l7 t% X7 T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 R; F/ w, ?8 S; o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' Z2 K  N. L6 h. v' Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 e& s8 a$ K! b: h: h+ l# i9 I

2 t% I1 Z7 \9 S/ u" N7 f, n* K- C5 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 R" ~& p$ N8 g  Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 i+ @8 N- r! ]9 f5 _) W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 d9 R- e* O0 d" c2 d* B$ {3 `9 @
真的!!這不是反話
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5 ?% D' P. b3 v; `0 F- B& k- I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# {2 r0 K* X: S2 A4 b9 X: T# L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% N1 \; `$ A+ x/ k; A* o, k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
  {6 H' u# e  F2 n正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" A* }/ d, M$ P7 |& q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' r& U& A* {& t& \) MWhat a statement we have here?
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, S5 C* Y$ z7 }$ N' Z" y- h" [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 J$ r' }$ [8 m- N5 D* ]6 P

/ k1 H/ _  ?8 p0 t7 pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 j, W$ U) c8 P. v9 M

! {. ~( R- L: qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% M. k0 i' }6 b7 e/ J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 u( Q$ L8 y  c4 H, Y8 G  c* X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- h  X4 C' d. w3 o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ Y! Y+ N% Q! S1 D8 Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* N9 [- {; c! ]# h

  h. O" {2 [$ @* Sit's starting because we have sins......
5 \2 `3 A/ ^5 f& Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 a# b* @5 w" D' q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& j5 Y4 _5 [2 w$ O, J( R- \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. R3 m" Q: a" @# E  K4 x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ @3 p, {: z9 B9 g# g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," t1 V9 X& A" t) o3 \" v& `! s, t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 @6 j  j2 h* {& q8 z4 I

. w: {8 r. y2 @! q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ s0 t0 n/ F" }7 f' A, V/ m5 S% A9 t' b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, M& J0 d2 h' H: q- i* I8 A- w

7 C* i1 A& U$ x# _4 R0 P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 p, G( V- f/ R7 _. A" |; i& \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: B) j5 X: y$ b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# W3 ^8 x7 K+ r+ R" Y' t
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- j% i9 P1 F* i0 p

7 ~- g, `9 n; q. q8 T0 g1 d以下是其他人的見解,, C7 Y$ s  ~/ J  q$ e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 H: c$ f  T8 ?# O, @" o. T: ]' w1 A; H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" H, n# U' q; Z, @/ G
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 {% T+ n4 ^1 D; \$ v! R; ?& `
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- v& f* R( K2 d) z6 M.............信耶穌... ...

- ?' [  z' @1 P# d- L: C) \" pRegarding the resurrection....8 Z) x- }; r* u3 M3 I/ I, k) j
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: ~7 ]7 f1 x) _1 m2 [/ s5 B

, [/ J: E. s6 C- X- S* ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.