Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 ^+ ]6 ~( r$ Q( n1 q& O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. ^7 r7 _* {/ c' N" Y. v, _( G+ D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- h: w5 C0 _' z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  d5 ~( e; E" j0 V4 k呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( j3 Y7 M; c. ~2 ^) a. u3 ]# rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 s! }: Z( \. P5 W# K, r

; q* Y8 S# h5 c2 Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" _: q9 l( M$ r: K: q! k  Q' R* Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 M1 D. I( q2 r$ q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 p% S6 B9 ^) r6 ^, \: r, H真的!!這不是反話
, l: r( Q# f; T0 k因為我是情感比理性強的人2 d! H: ~+ Y& f! t' o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ l" @! N& O0 w9 n8 t5 z+ s) ~+ ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ V" B* q: `' ^0 S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 F: l6 ^% l9 E8 b9 YWhat a statement we have here?. \4 k) r; k# P. W

2 K  t- L6 _) @0 s3 }8 D, y9 GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 H/ I% R( a6 q+ p' Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% p- y: I+ I  Y" T2 d* yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- H( E, N' _- W1 B' I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, S8 k+ d1 `+ S/ P: \4 p, B# |! y3 q"不信也沒損失"/ E/ U; M2 G( M& z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% D2 p# A, b) S7 Y& E! I% Y- kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ @1 C$ `5 ]! Z& `) A7 t9 r

/ U6 m. U0 @  A( Dit's starting because we have sins......6 s8 g. x8 P# ]% x% u9 c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , w9 U4 l; ~# t* u3 y! w0 V3 ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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4 _* l- f4 b( y& F' N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: s7 c4 N; S) A$ J2 m3 `% L& t, H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 g  W% A0 C% S1 U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ C9 w  z/ q; L+ \- m! Z  ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( _% l6 {$ T  V2 Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& i8 t1 F1 i5 u+ C* f

/ t( E6 j3 n7 h+ U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: V5 I! Q9 E, B5 R& c& `' m
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, f5 q: W# I: Z! ^9 b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 B. s4 w4 g! J
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4 i. Q0 u2 M2 O+ @0 }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 f; d9 K5 b/ x1 X0 D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
! G" W% F- \/ h, k; w看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 W8 d# L$ A+ j: |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& I- k6 G' E6 T0 y7 C3 J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ E9 `! k+ o8 y  |. M

; q( l0 b  W2 S5 @) Z" ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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# Y5 ~; q( N6 b. @2 gRegarding the resurrection...." {% q/ Z6 A1 b2 a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.