Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. z% r  X  i3 q6 B6 z5 B道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 o8 g! p, z; O1 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% [! J/ S- ~$ C& [+ Z, K8 kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; r  c5 {- r% y' r9 J3 d9 ^& }) J

) t5 B1 W0 y! _$ J+ r3 g( Q1 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ C5 ?2 G% C4 G) m6 r; y1 h7 V0 E7 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 ~  c( z; r# A4 f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 V& t8 A! l- a0 `* k( y1 u
真的!!這不是反話/ f: R& J( g. P0 T9 D% G- p4 F
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 ?. _% c# R( ?/ U& q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- Y1 L9 u5 u' k. b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 |4 F& k* F8 C7 c7 x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 ^$ w8 D0 z" J# S0 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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7 u* A3 v9 \; a1 eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) k  V/ K6 Y6 M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." i8 Y) X0 O3 t4 x& m6 S: H

: r8 @* t9 o  R2 gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% m$ W% W, B3 w8 Y+ m+ m

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 ?0 E, V" m4 N4 Y4 N" p) x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* M" J! v* L: E  W. H"不信也沒損失"
7 c5 }, e/ E8 C8 I& Q8 E% tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: ]1 U/ q$ }( f) N4 y: @, Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ [+ s* e+ D- [: E: x

8 R: c2 A9 v1 L7 K2 Bit's starting because we have sins......
$ _8 F- E: @) M, l! qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 F; i- ~/ o  q! S1 M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 U* t8 U( L) k! S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 X4 ?4 B# q; y5 {) V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) j4 z  m8 N. Y/ Q$ b4 T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ V8 E" T" \% ~0 S6 _8 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, G2 J2 C) I3 l7 s( i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 d9 V: y/ _2 v
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ i" G& J& V7 |, f$ w8 G! O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 r6 d1 Z9 a9 ]" N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" A( a6 `$ F4 `' F7 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ P6 n& N" E' S+ N: ]. g/ D
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. S6 ^1 a% D: I. I) V' \5 \5 B
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. K# E. p7 B  H- `: o$ |3 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 ]$ B5 e/ ^$ w; k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" u" {4 W; I& G$ T- w4 g1 C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ J4 M! h& b+ ~2 L+ E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ v1 v0 I" k- L' ]. n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( V+ j4 N% @$ k4 t! g" I" d5 V. |
.............信耶穌... ...

' p' T) q% A1 w- gRegarding the resurrection....  B2 S9 @1 Z  r. I) A

8 D# j' t( w0 |" x$ X9 |/ AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 o3 v8 i+ ~( C2 i  W! p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.