Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" l+ o6 d: |; A3 v6 d我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 h6 P( w4 D, ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' @; E- D% q4 p. r/ A8 U7 M道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 l) k/ C7 Z" U% ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 w6 j$ b; ^* H& ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! i' g) I* @7 y. M6 P0 m& p

1 \& R& J. N" ?& Q4 mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 {9 U" s+ B' P1 ~7 p0 }5 E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  V4 f! I8 F3 S5 k: Y- c4 K. C( b

% F; [6 p8 x# O  _- T# t. e+ Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ g# H; j3 F8 D+ _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 d; g% b4 m# k; B3 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ e* ~9 s: h" w1 G9 l( G6 G; P
真的!!這不是反話" X, f. m( b2 s, }
因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 }7 U: g; G1 U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 r3 h3 Q7 ^9 X6 m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 X: O, ]  u1 \, M- ?' W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: N( ?: N5 L4 }; @8 X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ `7 K3 e( G# h) z' ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 P) ^. \; Q& {; J3 P/ u' @What a statement we have here?
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1 r! f, R1 B. V' e  S- ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! S8 n- _  W# l7 ~* H/ Y7 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% g. |, e7 @% A$ Y. M' \- t, h# N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 e& o3 Q9 h, H7 S7 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" g* P' d) q4 a/ d: W" r. C"不信也沒損失"8 m( r: O8 ]; u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: O  W& ]' G8 }. u9 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# ?2 e  j- A4 L( Iit's starting because we have sins......% M4 W8 S5 _! P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% |# t; |! G! Y) four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ \4 n, N5 |" O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 f8 }/ f, S1 ~  c1 W5 y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 ]8 ^  I: n/ b% Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  v" h7 d! J+ i, F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ v% ~$ h/ E8 ^4 _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 d. S2 e, f/ F0 s' C0 Z# x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, O- `. `3 f: \7 M; Q- f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 u4 s) s1 ]1 r2 _8 C+ c+ v0 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' }5 R; w; G5 Q9 }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 Z; T7 a% }0 r8 {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 \. }1 ~  U5 z7 o% }宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 d- [2 ^7 p, i; K6 G2 @# Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( k7 P1 F$ V% E0 B- x8 G( ]9 t* m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. m! u' ?. H! t4 {( O8 s2 U" S
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 F  m  _& L  d# W0 u4 e; M

# y! V# Y# c3 k! A' F8 h0 e. e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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' {- d) Q7 l2 d& Y6 [: o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ b* v+ U! i! W5 j6 O

. O( x% R( P$ l9 g8 e" c: q3 I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: ^; v6 A, I6 ~' @; E+ D0 C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 ~2 E: N  b( z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.