Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 S/ _# Z8 w( b% B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 R  ]- G. Q/ ^0 U5 T  y  i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ b$ _3 R- s' DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 C7 u  m6 m6 O3 F2 b% ^3 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. y! y/ b5 D6 p* d7 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% L" A: X0 W' ?8 G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, W" M; M4 S4 Z6 D1 V$ Y  ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 K$ k2 t8 C' |. w- I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 W, j5 V2 {9 g5 X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; |2 g6 I6 k. z8 x. |; }9 Q+ o8 F* ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 D! ~8 G0 P; x" k2 ^9 JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 V% O/ w# A  O  C8 c( w) X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( Y! z5 m* }* S3 x0 {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 o, Z8 ?3 e" U% l& L

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. I+ {9 y( m" e[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 B% \9 ]; u, X* x. x' O! M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 X( R1 p1 ~! X) B$ q5 d( G/ g- ^"不信也沒損失"
% p2 Z5 s: ^" o6 A0 g: a' RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ e5 z. T% e. ^( u5 I) K8 r3 c% zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( h, M3 c1 E8 F' z

% d  H. M" @" |' Bit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 a( i' {$ p1 I( l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" {. H" }+ S$ j9 {; t7 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% V. S/ c+ `% x8 g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" z; j( o/ _! e( ?) n5 E/ @1 M5 A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: W+ ?$ x5 y: c8 F& q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 L& n4 d7 B4 I
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ H8 g/ P+ ^" \6 F8 v; R5 O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ t; Q8 t3 J, |# I1 m4 @8 }2 |! I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# O8 S2 i/ Q1 ^' }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 ]: A: Q  d- z, @: L5 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, @2 }* M, x- ~# o3 q$ p8 b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) K& B1 W: u; }4 h- G# I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, A1 }" C+ Y9 V# m
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( m2 ]* c/ w) s2 U3 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& e9 }) K2 o. |) t% d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 Z4 Z6 D3 \" _* {( d
.............信耶穌... ...

0 H$ m) h- w/ X% X, `Regarding the resurrection....
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! q# {% t% |# t4 q; H1 k/ aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ R) Q0 g3 ]/ ?1 Z: O% w7 Z% y$ ~

  T0 h1 A# N/ t7 GYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.