Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" x9 N5 `$ H& Y4 {/ z$ Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 @; \3 Q) R% ^' \  B8 s" ]% N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 `8 W* `: R# H6 q9 K$ M; _; P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
) e3 ~7 n3 {* q; j  y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 W1 [5 S# d8 zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 K( J" H7 `: J: {2 U% oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 M; M# @0 ?4 B; {; ]7 s- r

5 H* y, r- D' J  \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 r# b  {) r7 ~3 }- e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' L9 t" C" }) Y0 L8 I" S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* k6 R# w1 h9 Y( U$ M, m1 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( O6 x/ L& J) g' c. z* _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& A& f/ g( V/ X* u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' h) B. W* M$ b# Y, ^- x! |( V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 g, m+ _9 @: e* fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . R0 ?9 {; s( L& R! E4 n7 f

6 j( x7 c8 u' }; p; W0 T0 `% V: {9 GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 S/ @2 y* n1 h

% c8 @) }/ B5 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 n! Q7 g* H4 Q- {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  J0 S  K9 Q: F6 I2 r. R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' K* q! [* O" D"不信也沒損失"5 F8 y9 m  L' v5 L6 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- H; q+ G# ^8 C' N2 ^& F- S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......' U8 Z- d4 m! Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 X6 ?- i7 d/ M; your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ E$ E' l8 C7 P; k) |1 t% D* c+ _' s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. N3 N( s& O" {* B1 |" N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) ]. I0 o6 ~9 v( y- }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& o  Q: u6 s: n) v9 b' B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" t: A# ^  ^+ S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. D2 A- L' E% o% `; P! t% }. f% W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; o# L, Q. W! {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: b* Q2 e- Y" M! Y

! {1 z9 ^/ K1 }  N8 P; g4 x0 b+ T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 G) O" ~; u) F. y. |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 f+ D, n6 M5 C: ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 Q3 U4 U$ J1 i" D$ G1 }) u0 Z
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# g) u0 A  s' o. r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 t. H6 ]0 D/ M# Q2 C9 c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ `" |7 l, B0 l8 K以下是其他人的見解,
. o& ]: D1 j- t/ ~5 s看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, e" P1 U8 ^* V6 p$ }1 A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ `$ d; {; y# ^( \5 O$ y; m* R/ y: c+ t.............信耶穌... ...

1 p; W8 y' C( K/ mRegarding the resurrection....! s4 T7 K! J5 H4 E9 r

" }5 _/ C9 Q' k! g, }, i8 @4 |2 i  [: t! pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ s5 M* d/ h8 s/ o+ [" p# I

" c5 ]3 N- g4 z! \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.