Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 v+ m( u% `7 d& ]3 C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 i# H' C, X4 s; B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) I/ w! _9 S& y5 g道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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1 n. E* K3 d) M/ L1 r) BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, v; |' s. Y+ {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! u( v% M6 I% e2 S# f* C* H1 Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( j* d6 Q5 Z1 g1 V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 w) M7 o# ~% T. Z6 o+ L
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., H9 S5 J: T3 N1 `
真的!!這不是反話
; d* y5 X2 o' h( ~. w因為我是情感比理性強的人8 j* O+ e( i. [3 ?1 D* Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, X. Y* J( @3 l0 e" D+ K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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: e7 ^! ?1 s7 q0 k" e- fWhat a statement we have here?
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* A1 A# q6 |/ O$ L9 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : q- _0 T" [4 n; O( P+ K) T. C4 N2 w

1 u7 }: b+ W/ ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 g* d, r# p+ v, r% J: kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 i- s/ F$ V/ I- H& g* R/ V% ?
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; h9 T% e% Q4 [4 @2 _  q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' b) o3 ?& u  M" K"不信也沒損失"
/ F$ Q. A) F0 g6 A* iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ a) O5 ~& d+ x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 u- v, ^/ r) O! g  \2 y/ y
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it's starting because we have sins....... U" `. P: r0 R: ~' }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  _8 n& g. a% }) e4 ~+ z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  C# {' H  G- r6 z- J  \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 X0 M% _$ }/ T$ I
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" @3 Y. }3 D& y9 C6 t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ l& l2 ]. Z/ z0 e  C+ ~* Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  A2 n6 b4 ^5 ]! }' M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! a! `, v7 Q  @  |+ V( ?/ W1 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 g$ r" Y" I  f) c& u
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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  [: ~. F7 a: F( }美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 B6 w7 l3 _& |. u& b' ~) l6 M+ s
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: N1 w+ Z8 q$ N+ d3 q9 n/ H* x! N7 o/ @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 l: |6 `$ x, m0 T* Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. f9 S( M) H$ `$ R
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以下是其他人的見解,0 |6 c( G) |, O" M* ^% c6 H: u( w6 x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 |$ M) Y0 B/ w: E

0 j3 b4 |8 e1 H* u+ ~0 k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  B7 T2 F- r  k* g2 R: x+ c# [

, Z& ~& G7 W) C不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' i& n; \8 P- d1 C

0 b' @, A0 p" [9 ^2 m' X. H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' s1 F( M( V1 f2 r- c6 ]6 r
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 Z8 s8 q. s2 Y1 V& K1 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.