Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( p/ N9 ~% d$ p" N  l( X/ V我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 Q4 p& c0 l+ B& G3 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: r: r& n8 `1 g# V. b

4 q, Z1 f: q1 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* _' |$ O  x/ h# W1 G

2 u( e3 z6 ^8 p) lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* F( T- I) W+ i; S+ `. o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% Y0 Y0 J2 |2 f3 s2 x5 U2 p& E% }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 }5 V) c% ^# B4 f! L7 F
真的!!這不是反話
( D3 V$ K: J' o5 g* `# e因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* y1 H6 F8 E9 y9 V1 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 e4 z9 b/ T7 _9 D( ^, N: U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& Z' ?* C' P0 Q# m6 V# n( g" ]# N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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( ^* M, Q% n% w# t/ }+ I/ wWhat a statement we have here?& c1 T+ b& a# {( t$ t2 w! y! Y

" z& b1 e0 w6 I4 M: k) OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ F# n, A% V. H5 Y. q) t3 dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* G% g# E! `  y+ o' o& P2 Q0 N

; M5 L% T7 G9 p( N4 b3 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( J; J% o) \7 ], h: V

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 x- y; l$ C% Y2 d1 R* s7 Z. ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 Q9 U  w) U) IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." o1 C0 M5 D. ^" ~7 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: o2 m, e6 v. h' o0 h+ cit's starting because we have sins......9 w, @* n" A8 Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : `9 D/ M! b5 R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") ]: z, ?! y4 `5 I$ D3 J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* [$ a9 ^' }  E' B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 c5 [( [  Q$ Z5 O1 R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' j4 Q  c2 [4 X! X" I+ V- t( ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! {5 O1 Q( H* G3 |4 w9 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 q) o1 f/ H2 W! t2 }

$ `( K" Q5 L2 ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 A9 I! T' h: C( ?4 p! ~  h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 m7 L  H* `+ M# U% l6 o$ o) z( t
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; Q% F6 [, z( a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) a) @$ B1 X3 z! W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,, }+ J2 O3 a4 K! f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( K$ E* H9 w7 z5 n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- l0 y" j& |" k& d4 M

1 l) c4 D7 i: g+ _0 _8 e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 I% {$ Q( k3 }7 C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& u6 n+ w2 M9 m5 F; |; x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& `, b5 c7 g/ v8 q( j$ g" S

! s1 K  t, O2 O同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" O2 z1 ?+ _) y# D! P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 ~9 L4 J$ C' E5 x' I( x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.