Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. ]; o1 i5 H4 ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 g1 i0 `# k) N- w. c- t/ {

2 P1 ~+ ^2 u$ h& xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 U, Y7 X. O; }4 K, A  Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話, o: ]  C. i! D! G
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 d6 s, ?9 L* \: I9 C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* d, ]6 z7 n) z: z# Y7 m! a$ [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% R" W# m8 Q+ s; Y+ v7 S! |
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 {$ c7 g' p7 B$ W5 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. X" O( E7 X4 b/ Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ q  B: D% k" ^- w$ ~/ j2 Z: GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  ~3 Y! F/ {% d$ R8 c! L. Q5 DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ }' q; P! ?0 |$ Z' q- E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 X6 }; u# |  V3 Z; _7 l5 D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 ?/ l8 q! q) G; G1 n- M% J6 ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; i  z  D. X# b0 n+ k  m* e+ j! Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 D: z, ^3 |# O5 P; x6 s9 T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 J5 l: `3 F6 f' W$ m9 f7 g0 f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ i( y7 H# n* G+ `; W% e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 D2 z' G: U; |' ^, A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( `& [3 j, o- P- z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: G# [- Y2 B; {* t8 U0 Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 y; E( B* ~  O  f9 ]& o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 A5 d) T9 o# ]- H$ J  S" f! U! H7 s! L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 A( u( A( q) c! c/ k+ c( W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... o. @. d: n* F" Z; F/ {) `+ z, t
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 z$ R" `6 s8 ?
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ T1 `, q( U$ J1 _9 |, V& x* N以下是其他人的見解,5 T- u4 S+ ?2 H/ o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# e. Q  V: w7 M/ u' L/ o2 n

( g( `( k4 S  D  I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' c+ a7 k' [4 v  y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 P$ M0 O; u) v. v2 T) j& T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ r) @, f" h* w1 o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 [, G0 m3 @- d9 U7 q7 l  o8 u1 S
.............信耶穌... ...

/ r9 i" y. }8 c' u/ c3 fRegarding the resurrection....% {6 C) I, b7 V, t

# a- Z& _0 y0 D3 ?( J% XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! J! q: y; B) x" s3 W; z6 I  [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.