Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 J2 X3 T0 m3 [+ x5 _" x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: i9 l% ^( q/ dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* T" s- _3 D5 H" i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. T) q: d/ M0 P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ s6 }3 ?' X% s6 e9 d1 c
真的!!這不是反話1 M& ?7 B& A1 h/ C9 Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ?# J2 a+ J0 K2 k) k2 I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  E$ B/ d$ L& z% ^2 P& U+ C: j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 T! {3 H, j4 G# G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 Q, B9 a/ |0 @What a statement we have here?/ h& x& h2 R* L4 h

* x# _' I7 Q" mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# Y: w; [. s7 B% I! C- h/ q7 y8 w/ ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 ^; ]. B0 E8 IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; V1 {7 K; `+ e: ]! Y  H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....../ T% Q  W/ ?' s; ?+ ^6 r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( v9 i( n4 m. q: w& o, ~" r/ F; g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 B9 h* O& c" P- L$ M: s! E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 l9 f! f8 z' y0 o0 K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 x$ G/ g3 Y" n6 V" ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ }0 a2 k2 g. }4 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 _; r7 S8 [. }' p) J. s  ]- H) o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ A  V$ L1 K4 @) e9 a8 K
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; |6 p" S) ~8 v5 D4 e- K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 v! v# D1 j3 d! w9 u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 G& t. Y+ d/ s, n4 }" _8 Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 ~8 b4 c0 r* j

/ i4 ]1 z, e" F$ o: l, v# x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 c5 {+ ^+ g( z" V% S3 O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) |& C0 o8 D$ j
.............信耶穌... ...

+ N2 \* ?" t  U, pRegarding the resurrection....
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4 [6 r$ U, h7 o# sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.