Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  B' S3 H. m7 ]: Z* c2 M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% {7 y% [+ W2 Y! u) @3 c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 E* F* Z; Q; A$ U# a7 q2 b道理我知道好多只係做吳到; z* x- j9 f# g' f# V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, i7 h. P$ |0 |* e  nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 |/ v% h- l* C2 A" ^# m/ A: h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& Y  q7 s/ ~# T) _! Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; f% g6 ]2 G/ q8 _/ `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 v" ]  Z+ P. u- b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. C, i9 l6 T  o; R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 E" @. a  H' `0 L1 Q9 uWhat a statement we have here?5 e( t- X/ z' ]4 f, j  p% l9 y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 X, b" L% `+ C

% M( Y- m0 w, @, uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 y$ t1 d/ g7 L: T6 K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"% X, ^# h  }% Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 T9 ]) ?2 r" O8 o1 L" H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. V* ~7 Y( R" y  g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 \; Y* f7 e# u. d- @4 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ p9 C7 W$ |2 t: b# k; D( J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( @# o" N9 g% T6 D7 ^+ a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 t. S( r6 J6 I+ a& D# I- r$ k* \. F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) J' s8 \* b; O2 v/ J

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' ]! G1 _* e+ F; ^  V) k1 h  N+ S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 ?! y" r; n; J% N' u7 S+ U# }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 _  _: Y# x6 }4 V1 Y/ T! Y7 r以下是其他人的見解,9 F% D! l2 L# L$ x5 K/ J8 ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, T& `# m2 v! C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 B$ ~; X0 m. Y) c+ T& Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ W7 D" o& E2 [) a8 [
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) u; T" u! Z6 `/ \  o

9 A% J& I- g. C  U& O  j1 P$ }4 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.