Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, F1 C) r  i+ e% O我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' o# F) e' w- y: d, p! M3 Z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" z% X4 h/ X" c+ d- H0 s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- F( S0 v/ V5 V" A$ L9 K/ a$ n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ p$ H1 v, g8 k: z; p6 g9 T: h4 ^
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! H; d0 L  P: v
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 i7 Y3 z( v' Y; V1 `# t: Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% ~  ]2 @; A$ t8 x/ p7 i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人! B# g9 W/ A+ v: c2 B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 p7 V9 g' q' O: u9 K, S0 w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," i' e2 b, N9 N) W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& [/ |$ s. j2 e( F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ F5 l, S, ~# O6 F6 x- t

+ J; L. l- H7 R7 }& ]  fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 v  ^3 N- _& n% s6 k

9 c" Q/ K! y. KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 {6 V0 Y9 L2 o3 h% V( N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! U" C( O6 b/ S! mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 U( q& J% d6 U# Q8 R8 x! h
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it's starting because we have sins......0 Y1 Q) V" Z7 y$ x2 l; h- K" U" h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) _/ x6 n9 p) w( o% N4 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* `/ M% J% E8 z* ]1 W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 q, L* U& B( k9 L3 G4 U8 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 ~. N  U! x# ?: Q- o5 O5 `; W7 u* G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! @8 a. A: ?- D* I2 Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 C* x1 \, w, F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) d# o! B2 ]; Q/ R8 W4 g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; N5 q: z- g$ Q1 k( X' b) V
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! G/ d5 `  T. J; X4 D6 \8 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 _. |4 K7 _+ V5 G! I; @以下是其他人的見解,
2 D* ^+ O$ R3 y/ ?5 T) s& P0 m# D' g3 x看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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+ \) P" t' q' v* w( X" `* w) U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ h8 z7 L2 Q+ u( ~

/ b$ ?+ f( F7 }  t0 z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; c' s/ s+ o/ E/ W3 K8 g  D.............信耶穌... ...

) z, r; @# P' U% w9 wRegarding the resurrection....; P' k- f' O5 F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.