Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ S- V) R) k. E8 j/ [4 H/ Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人# g, n3 N. q) S, W% {; h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 A4 j4 Q) M4 N  Z) d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 B2 j# ~7 ]1 F! H呢D就係做人的悲哀

! a2 s6 S5 |" r) t7 O

% [$ y" @  G3 ^# l2 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
6 I5 ^+ `; G) i
+ y& L" l3 N, d' B: y- VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
: k3 g: N. P- |7 p
! z( ]0 c4 I7 W+ H. Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
5 |- G" d7 O8 p* Q: b, P, m3 L& T  }% z" L) q
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ \8 L8 O& t- Y2 }; Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ f; K6 W8 f$ r' L) o7 n  R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! I$ s0 U: m' \  i真的!!這不是反話
$ Z. d) |* u4 L, Y' O因為我是情感比理性強的人
' V% p7 I. l& {! t0 o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- A: N3 @/ t  R" r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 t) y, L: \7 C' I4 N- v% @
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
+ Y' v2 q5 Z" I- S7 m. C3 i正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 h( f6 q; Z* w3 S/ Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

+ F. {% G1 G  y- C0 g& s% K
9 [8 |: ]! ]  f: f, d& S
What a statement we have here?
0 q+ ^6 M9 C6 G; L, V# ^5 }4 s7 C: B' Q! p* V  W
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
& I3 k( ?* B7 w/ M; t# n/ L) R7 U5 U5 h
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 l+ b- v; A2 q

* D9 @& v& Z. R3 ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
- J/ o7 Q$ R$ s  V/ Z
8 ~' D' J' ?  }. c9 K; g:cool:/ a! P0 Q! w# s' [5 T
# p6 b6 W' r4 A  O( S
[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 f) U5 i# N: d. l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

+ q5 f" E3 _% c: Y
9 @( v* m9 N6 M* n
"不信也沒損失"
# m+ m$ ^2 o7 V. Q$ VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 B" x; k2 n! N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
  \" ~5 C* {3 z& z, o0 k
3 J4 Y2 k2 G5 b! M3 [4 t* l/ s/ [+ ~it's starting because we have sins......
, P6 ~: x7 A! ]4 y1 I1 D: ^- osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! P8 L! [# n; E: gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" O$ w) q+ Z: [9 X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 @# F! N- b* {3 O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 `. U+ }3 N# I* j# P# f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ |6 `+ o) x# x! I  A4 \/ h8 G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' f4 ]1 p8 G! U) l/ G' c- ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  T6 i) g. i+ A% a

/ ?  p3 }, @2 K0 c& F; j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( @# B3 ?4 L6 y9 O4 R. \/ L& \$ \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
* F$ j' V- C3 y; }; G& [/ \* F/ g' A4 d1 B5 G+ h
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 Q. |5 W" x1 p7 N4 ^0 J. W7 X% S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ X4 r$ v4 i) ^, ^6 P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
1 E& x5 n. }# S0 V7 w
" @5 v- ?: o; q& X) G0 n6 o7 i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 p( b6 Y8 j* j' H4 e' r) m
/ A5 x, d0 P( N6 p: p9 p
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: M% n$ c; {" K+ Z$ l. \' J/ P8 g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
% ]4 J, I$ Z8 N$ S! t) w4 h1 v4 z
. C* m" R$ m' X9 \以下是其他人的見解,
: w" p: L3 v# E" B& S) A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 d8 D! x" x( r8 b/ g& N
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
9 Q5 ?9 O* M2 {; r* B# ]8 I5 R- c1 _+ l) d% |1 ~' Z" @
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
( O( |1 T: s( Y" }% ]
3 A2 V, R! Y# r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 X4 f5 H1 M5 @# w
9 a+ I0 Q# ^0 J' i, R. `/ V
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. g" }4 L5 X( k

0 T" U$ L5 Z- i) u4 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
# J& f/ E0 r( n' M' b  T; G' h4 B! u% @- F. u
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' U2 f1 V! W& _  S* @' F
.............信耶穌... ...

7 o# [9 H3 k6 M( }& {
Regarding the resurrection....1 J( b. G4 o& F6 F/ I4 d

2 u& ^  g0 v8 y- b7 r9 u- }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) Z  F- [1 y8 [, Q& Z: r
' [8 [, f/ r' \0 U$ o9 d
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.