Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 C0 m3 g0 ~3 _: J我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 t2 n7 W, H4 `5 g" w6 t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 d$ ~, m6 M3 e# p' _7 w: `道理我知道好多只係做吳到* I9 {$ h# \: j/ H5 F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ g/ E' K1 i8 u$ _+ Z  y7 ~" a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... f- ]' }. `; Y: a2 ~
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 @/ s7 f5 K* V$ ?) Y! K

( O2 }8 i: u: lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) Y# [, B' H  E$ I& y$ |% p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 R+ W( D/ {( d( V' k' L- V' Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................( n( H5 _- Z8 C) O7 A8 ?
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* w% m0 k7 Y$ ^; O1 g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- @/ C) B, n5 H+ ]3 ]4 l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 w, d' a6 N- N: F) W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- J  [' o3 [1 L0 F- k( I) u. S) S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# r$ Z2 P! t' I, j6 `; }5 q6 ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 u5 b3 K2 @2 _/ II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 v& Q- t3 h$ U6 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; r6 ]4 j/ M) m( A8 [: h8 R6 e. O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. x6 U  s/ g& Y+ d# I: K"不信也沒損失"
2 A3 Q6 _# F, jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ ]. ~% N, z8 {. ]but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# O* R  A' r: L5 C' fit's starting because we have sins......9 Q; q2 u- E! y+ I2 z8 N' ^/ z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % z0 S7 b8 ^6 F9 g9 J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 D- P! E, a2 b% X% g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) i- k+ f7 w8 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- N4 z% h4 i6 M$ ^! O2 v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' Y$ O- v8 s! A1 D1 z: l& [
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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' k8 t$ T" e3 x. {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' H* k9 t& e: B) H

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( {0 @* ^* }. L5 y7 K& ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ v2 r% _# f( e1 i+ k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( i2 y5 v* @" G5 X2 g0 z5 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ M2 O: A7 ^5 ?& I- o! n( v: O  B6 V.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 U6 b' i/ X5 H8 D# o; `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 ^7 G! w+ b3 V  X% o+ L$ Z/ cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.