Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 ^; H, ^( p# n" k  z9 c/ c5 V我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 {  i) R: F* H+ @" {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. W* i) M  V: F  q% q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" k. B0 P1 D$ K( Y% BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 b5 r& {3 L9 \% L3 F6 E- A
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; C: {- b: M4 z8 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( f) L5 n, \$ g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  ~% k; x" D* _
真的!!這不是反話
0 d2 v# s+ f% q5 M因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. w7 s( r4 o2 w4 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ T. R/ c8 R9 m" X- W8 m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?5 q( @1 D$ H1 o3 ?9 u3 t( l' K

' J6 X; ]1 y* w) D; `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - I% A# C7 z, V7 O, l8 c3 O1 x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# G1 K1 M$ v$ |+ \; c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  M* i+ Q7 }8 n8 N5 n6 z8 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: f# }, ]# T" @7 J* J9 {+ V4 E( AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) H; b3 _' n4 z, N3 M9 d, C3 |$ L4 Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 D, u5 p& @: Rit's starting because we have sins......
; ~5 [5 `( f4 G1 ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ K! |9 m  p" h4 P1 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 ~' m# s. Q; c. j# [$ `! E$ q3 R( f7 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 @3 [. `7 O. N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 K' B9 A# A% c! j- i; Q% |# z* Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 G' N$ A9 l  j8 ?3 k# V
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! I9 Z+ N( g7 |% V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 T5 I" ?% ?; }# u; C* H$ X2 I5 ^' `

8 P4 R% c0 s; x8 p8 s' ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" ?7 I5 ]# _& H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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) c7 }2 e7 S' A- o! o7 \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& P. U8 M( N) C2 j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ G& J/ g# ?, |以下是其他人的見解,
/ Y6 Z: ~* l: E" h5 l; E& W& ]* q1 R* Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 F* e6 |0 ^  q1 u! V9 c2 N: T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% q6 r- G3 g. X# z3 Q( }0 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" x9 a/ d8 [6 W, o! l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% V3 q/ ~' N* W' l; U# s

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 Z# i; q) f$ }
.............信耶穌... ...

5 T: Y8 x  N/ V* @9 ARegarding the resurrection....
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/ q+ R/ s! W6 l# pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' m+ h7 U5 H9 c" A! R3 XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.