Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% k) e9 h4 ^( s, g" }: l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 c4 Y+ e$ e& J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* z- \. g7 x+ S& Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 C1 k7 h" j8 m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& s+ R3 h/ b5 f! x* S3 e7 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ Z5 |7 S! B& P- `

& s8 R  q# W0 x( o' @' Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 x( L2 q2 V% [9 M& j0 p8 F( H" Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. W0 K  G7 m' n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' S9 n5 ]. |3 ?
真的!!這不是反話/ y& P3 m* o) k6 f
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 V" W( M3 D% F% G7 g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" W9 S" K' Y" E3 u2 b, z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... ]3 k8 j) Y4 G1 h% R$ W6 T3 m7 ^0 D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?* |7 ], A; q$ I/ @

6 W3 H4 r" j/ FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / `8 c8 l9 T+ o4 X+ i0 P

# f  s) O& b8 W0 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) h8 M1 K1 D! W# k4 H' [
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ p+ ]- B( a4 Q6 U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 |" }! Y. x. U( K* C( v* s% U; ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ ~$ Y8 z( [/ w6 w0 i  n% h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ @- @: ~0 _6 e7 c4 F* \5 m3 `+ t+ {
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it's starting because we have sins......- ?' q% J4 Q- z* A4 F8 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 g3 ^+ g! a' c: u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 G  p# O$ z6 b6 A) o8 O4 _( N* ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) r7 H5 ?5 e" {; @3 R! O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 o5 x6 z& l4 P& ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ n, \2 l1 w* d- N# t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 \+ |4 w$ x6 l7 S, o* t而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* ~& X% m+ f$ Q8 Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& }2 Y! g. Q3 r5 g  b3 P' K+ W+ u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; m  e! A1 m& h2 `* X  k
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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9 [: r* r+ v2 L# ~以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 o+ K% _9 ~+ |6 t/ p- U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- U& K& l' E' \8 t: Y& F+ J/ U" t

- X7 Z+ k2 i$ o" x8 C; v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' l# z5 J% \+ |3 G6 a$ r5 {9 u

( _* j7 s5 M, n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ ]) A8 x% L3 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& P8 N" F. `6 M, |( [( Q4 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  _  r6 J6 o8 G% b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% R0 ^3 g' s2 I% n' p# r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.