Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 J/ g; t  @/ U* U% Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, ^$ o" V" \) u7 D( K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 V8 i0 C1 s* c" ?# R* X9 ^( d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# |- [4 g" V% \. j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! ?7 @0 s4 e$ g' n/ mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ M) s% ]; O  L& f
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 @1 F3 [+ Y7 N" G) z9 x5 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; i" J+ T3 S' g# \我只不過微小的基督徒...................
) k1 L: N6 S0 U+ `真的!!這不是反話
5 w% o+ s! i3 X, _$ n# `因為我是情感比理性強的人$ q! z  h0 ^% s$ h% \; B9 [3 T" ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 ?! {; [6 F' s# [7 M$ ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 ~4 e1 ]# j8 l' l! m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: O0 y0 W3 o* U& z1 Q4 X  m/ F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, j7 i! V& N" x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # g+ v: t6 {/ b/ O: B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ P  N9 N: \* t- c( l

8 C" T, @7 D# b) `$ `% N9 r$ c% G. ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( ^7 I. f- G6 |% v$ }4 p- v1 [3 U
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# t2 a* L: Q/ v+ |; H; N+ W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; K( |' f1 J: [" q# `3 }( q0 i"不信也沒損失"8 d! `" G* B7 ^- h, d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. B9 z, h( G$ N% _, xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- ?. P* G7 ^7 y$ l7 z! \1 Mit's starting because we have sins......
2 c* d" C+ [5 G. Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 `, r. K/ ^# m" r' d9 c* Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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% j' Y3 J3 x9 v/ `4 F8 n! j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ ~5 ?) H% q( _" z4 |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 W+ O& @1 @6 M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 N' @* A. J3 P' P& q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& \) ~( _, D0 ^  {, G* f# D

1 {" w7 G. r0 j3 d5 X& Y6 Q. Z+ @/ @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," n: @# f) x9 X5 g8 \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 w: E  B8 W$ T5 J  L7 {

& h7 B' F1 B" ?' W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 h7 z, H1 b7 O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- [- K0 _' j2 h/ x. D7 Z" Q: J  ~7 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( N4 ?* \- `1 q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; r- ^: E4 X1 F. D9 j- T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; C# r5 o# g" o, ?# U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; r1 w: d& |8 R6 I5 e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ E- t0 c7 g. [/ c# ?& J

/ j' g& v5 }# M' l+ }$ R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 N- k$ ^1 s5 N  G$ M, Z# g% E. q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 a. }0 ~  y2 P9 ~* |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.