Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% [8 d8 g& C/ k% Z1 p8 u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% L  @) y- r% Q0 e6 H4 w: O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ Y( t: c" i0 _% z1 H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ r6 W; t" T9 Y5 D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) ~* e4 G  C& X% X
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) ]+ T  |" c2 S. e+ z' X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ o$ {8 [+ {9 M9 ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& G7 D8 [" t: U2 f4 ~# y
真的!!這不是反話0 A  ^+ g' Q( ^0 N7 n3 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( T) g/ K; p5 O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% r  I- T2 e  B( v5 M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 q- D' B% s: M  U. i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, o/ w/ {( ]$ u: W) J2 I( L, u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 W% V4 d2 A6 v. d7 [2 p

# t/ u( ?; c  e  `6 z; T$ IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ D1 y0 d  r4 k# \( UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; x: f* k1 C5 Z; T" b8 c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. [3 u! _* z. T5 M6 `3 ^# G* g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 K5 ?0 c3 D6 n) Q$ k$ V8 OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  P8 @) k9 G0 h" E& `8 ]/ B% E5 D5 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 z8 }4 T( P7 X" c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : B2 e- V: [7 T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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* [$ P3 w1 ^5 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) ^* J9 k! X- N8 e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ u9 F( S: }/ r" o- ]4 X5 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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: ]% p- V7 z" G美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( w4 s: \( d$ w4 m( F* K. g

" {; t% h3 ~5 b$ Q) H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 w9 G7 D% |  ?' _! H9 p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: [7 |' D& G, M( L以下是其他人的見解,& ?6 W9 k; z* }) C" E/ j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 ?6 u5 h4 K3 x9 @8 ?
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ z4 Y8 m. f- h# ~% E

5 P) u5 p  ], S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 ^/ C( _( h+ I+ {. Z7 Y# U
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% ^- i% I5 ?$ w" p1 U. d$ p; Y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 D7 ~% d7 V8 j5 ?! m
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.