Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 j! O( B) Q  X1 D3 [我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 A" I( p" \' \* x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ x; u$ j; `% Z6 A$ g2 B道理我知道好多只係做吳到- j) K5 h# @# T8 l' V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  k! ?0 k* }, Q+ }* M0 a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 H+ u1 P# \( x3 ^, K" L( A

5 [5 n- v7 p2 N2 Q! S# [0 {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 S  Z- a8 ?2 Z& [& s$ ]4 b

+ h+ H4 j  F5 N" @" l  Vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 Y# P7 @  A; I+ [. t8 w6 i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
  d9 z; l4 |$ R8 Q' F6 E3 P1 N! f; N因為我是情感比理性強的人* {2 ]9 F7 _$ r% B2 `9 R' f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: M9 t3 t& l' j9 y; h; e以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) _, S% E/ [, H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- |% z4 C2 v3 c* D7 w4 E1 r! U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, T" `$ J7 y; d; ~+ d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. V7 N& w! H; Z! S$ [+ g5 q% @What a statement we have here?# i/ O" G  k  F- A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 S! D8 o0 ]2 P- X- k

7 l( |4 g( ~' u, i( O$ e& q, dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) C% f4 I# W% ~- H( D' s: K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# m- i% ]2 m2 ^. Z2 m, u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 Y9 g7 T8 g5 {4 A0 d3 j"不信也沒損失"* Y( r4 f6 t/ d5 Z) |& j8 ^- f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 |/ J3 M3 z( v% I& e  G9 s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ h. e1 [& S. J  i/ t- psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 x, A9 Y0 }6 `2 y6 _3 Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 h" s; u' e) d" e% |$ p9 z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& d0 S9 n4 }5 s% o9 w% G9 n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  R8 J; i. R# X6 \0 C7 R7 b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& F1 }( j4 Z# }& j  |. S4 t2 D3 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( W- q; o+ @; s* W/ t& t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 c: P; B( t* b3 w7 c& H# L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 B+ \* }8 f0 U# E. u( }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 t6 l! I! q7 ]! L% E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  m: {4 o- P+ W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 h5 c& R. G1 Z# F0 _7 [) p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 b+ x2 E' _5 K" u  v9 d! a, s

" }: w9 \, v" @' U/ _宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) q% W$ p* }. G2 i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. [7 _$ O; X5 r5 l. T) x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% o8 c' z6 p) }1 O以下是其他人的見解," G9 R6 z: t, L+ s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ R6 `  Z8 Q1 k/ e4 A% @! \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- C' |! N. ?* m9 P
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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$ e3 w, c! R: ^& t5 r! B! w3 v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! t1 A, U4 A' l* b! {% \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 d$ B7 z  V& t8 _+ j, [! Y) O
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." u* n4 k* N2 x

$ x+ Y. \7 `9 X; `$ n! Z4 bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.