Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" O0 o  E5 M# O3 `1 C; s2 B& ~' C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 E% V) n9 f/ M* F0 M8 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 ?# B" c4 ]; K! m( S5 ?1 B" X
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 C- b% q% \) j1 w8 B2 tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) t" I3 ~3 J1 ^  m( a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
* r; _6 I2 g: G2 ~真的!!這不是反話
* Q, e8 O" W& E6 m% ?因為我是情感比理性強的人
" \6 @0 Q* b4 Z' R/ D. P( r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 G0 v- P, u, U. m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% O3 }  Q0 _" \% V  p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 r: i9 {7 k1 t7 x- w6 n5 g: j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  K( _8 k) L9 z( ?$ n2 e$ a! z! |  ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 w1 s. x+ _6 G7 {7 jWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , C, Z% G6 ^; t0 n! B

, T( j  ]/ M; G# T6 [5 `- OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, e  q3 D/ w/ g, Z' lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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# u: k" c5 d" I( L0 z% N" j; J+ T"不信也沒損失"
3 g( }0 V+ v% u# A* dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( q! L; X: ^8 H" @4 h  j: `( u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......! c2 y* q9 t' V  d2 r2 L# H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' W+ |$ J9 Q. N/ Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 s8 i# U6 x/ |* E* V! y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% P0 G( Z. e9 X% ?/ _+ _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, k( @7 e0 p; o+ G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, Y- Y- E: h2 T% z  x0 s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 n$ G- o* ~9 n& Z0 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( h$ Y. d  |! s7 Y% y7 t: ~) r- J5 G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& x8 I0 u" `/ [0 e+ b" ?

- W6 X! d+ Z2 \, |, ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 A3 ]  H5 |5 k  M改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ [7 @# M$ |4 J9 |4 [' Y8 ~  i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- `) w9 H! Z% z( T, Z9 V5 Q

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9 z: n( H7 C# R: F6 x* ?/ {/ W8 C; N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. ^0 _0 `& l5 X9 o" M1 X3 R* M/ E

8 I- l+ W0 [& P9 b4 t  k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# X  b9 G& j/ d! j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* q1 J! B4 y' r- U' ], o  n.............信耶穌... ...

. }5 q2 ~1 ~! \: ZRegarding the resurrection...., G0 t; [% c6 u, C+ N, W- |% p1 w
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 Y2 H& _1 Z2 }0 C' {0 C  z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.