Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 [: d0 ]& p+ D# D$ U4 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, Y( Z( w" |% ?9 a3 Q$ y4 Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! h- D6 x8 f6 z$ k2 b. [道理我知道好多只係做吳到% n* J, L3 R/ a1 K0 A/ V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 y5 m+ H/ R( _9 \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) i# A% ]% X% \1 V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ r+ z7 O7 O1 Z& P. O

) w0 ^1 @% m1 Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 R( r/ E5 J2 ^7 c

! w& Q$ D7 s! `( R0 pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 M/ s( o+ V2 Q* B! N3 W" q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- z$ U" o3 d2 [+ f9 l) L: e% ]0 G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# k9 J5 d1 g& C. D
真的!!這不是反話3 U) Z! m; b2 B  Q5 l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ e3 N5 F4 L* s* ]& Z( T6 u/ ^  e所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( T- b% C3 r2 w3 J9 S* D- b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 ?0 G+ W; m9 J0 |6 \: a) `7 O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; s" D7 r/ v; P# b: C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( N1 X8 J5 K% B4 t5 l/ [- V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 G* L  N2 b9 sWhat a statement we have here?8 v& Y' O) j* |7 V' X# U) f# r  u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + j( \% H9 g/ ?: t$ f

+ Z. j' g4 J! q( i9 Q" rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 Z2 Q9 f* w* @5 P) j1 R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 _" |1 g$ _6 b: x0 N6 p) c

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* t- w6 m4 K. t3 V6 U1 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 b: A. @/ g+ G! U( [: P9 p"不信也沒損失"6 x$ k8 p! m( [  \) y/ g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# _- ]; ~  ]1 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) H8 r- q6 i( U" q/ q% G4 w0 hit's starting because we have sins......
; m1 h1 K9 _7 G" ?0 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 e8 R' x- E3 i0 r/ D% wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 @" P( }: t4 V0 R; D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& v" x# v) H6 {, p; N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# |! v7 ?2 p3 |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ R) c  T1 N4 {4 F1 H; h* ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 V7 e3 w( |. {  l& _4 E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: J  x. Q- h& M% {8 I# d, E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 ?) l- I9 S" m( R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ B" |& Z9 s" g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% `/ y/ A  s9 `; g6 L8 ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; u: [3 K  |6 f" j7 m
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% _) F) W( k& w1 F- w, V# j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 |- @- {# h$ y( r  }* [

% u% c. c- }2 Q& q以下是其他人的見解,& E/ J3 G6 i3 D" f. e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) R- z: z% Q- G2 O/ t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 F7 G* ^$ b) Q. ~
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' c4 S$ F3 J0 ]4 U0 c" B3 e7 ^

8 a! E4 S. C. R2 B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& U% N9 N% _- B7 R; g: N

. M1 q' _/ }' ]+ j3 V7 T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 l. p+ X1 }2 r6 `' M1 T  H同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 X- K- r8 f2 K9 O8 ]7 f
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* W3 h! O; x' d! E+ l, r/ p9 Q8 d

% K" A* O" B) S2 a) zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.