Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 Y  s4 K( j4 _4 g% C# p, l, y5 w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' i/ K7 D- ?4 ]# o6 L% j, M, zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  Z! i0 k2 R: X6 W7 Z% V8 F1 y

" L& }' u8 e  TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' c1 X& a- J1 \3 `2 fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 O9 t: B, B2 L9 V) Scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 X$ ^" O! k9 m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 H. T+ n3 w" K2 E' w真的!!這不是反話
! Q3 W9 [  z$ A, v- I0 e因為我是情感比理性強的人; _0 }1 \3 V9 d, f+ A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 C' X, [7 I- ?9 ?* i2 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( A( P  v- j$ m7 ^% Y; C* M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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& Y# ^, q% X0 }- r3 }What a statement we have here?
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3 I. R8 z* t  K, _( C7 ~" AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 B1 i) `1 ]- @2 ?8 Y, k+ j8 l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 f( V7 V" l8 N0 B/ b1 c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  \: D. A" g( }7 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") U# U5 k+ p' j' @+ i3 ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 P. u/ P* t' B( J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  @* M/ p: `( g( D" ?' q" T

1 X# |* z! p- Oit's starting because we have sins......6 w, p7 k/ j7 Q( ?( e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) c: s# W$ x# Y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& Q1 D$ S, ^) A' _- t  v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" d+ d1 @: v) y! Y1 t8 n% E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) t$ ~$ ^  r7 J  \4 R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 v: F: k; I1 ~3 }, _# _

7 Q" L" E3 H3 X5 M  g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! L. X; z. {9 R! x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 R. b1 y- N4 C4 v3 O5 k1 e美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,# r5 H) k2 c* s9 G! w. v4 r6 G/ @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- B2 _3 ^; Y: O! Y2 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  y# B8 f9 v; P0 `+ S+ s/ j. e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, W) y  }0 x( Y! g7 [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( i/ [$ Z9 x, C7 U& Z8 J. X.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: a* m/ e6 H3 Z5 ], ~- NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.