Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: N: A7 @3 D8 I& X# l$ V0 M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( V4 t! E# n& K% ^* z" l% [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. M4 i2 u! L/ c3 {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到. ^9 G4 \- w, w1 G$ I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* M3 u# V6 g; O/ d$ |
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# f  {! {" O+ a4 ^& u2 Y* echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 B' J4 b/ b, x7 S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; L; z: {$ x0 N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ R: K2 i& s2 J4 m' }" z) i( v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ ~) a- g: ~: y" c+ P( ?) Z: K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 ^1 ]7 n" Y6 ^* r# c5 I0 EWhat a statement we have here?& A6 v* U8 F6 d3 G5 ]# {

/ h+ Y5 a% g2 z# w3 t8 I0 K, UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 ?; {; }( R9 F; h% f' T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  k% k% z+ s3 I4 f/ x

# B) _8 _1 x% T( I3 ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) j$ p$ p5 b' j( N: Z* T"不信也沒損失"
" f- D8 |% w1 q. y4 W3 K/ JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! A3 @+ C' j" r! ?( k; Q% z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& t' {) m3 W* c

# T- l+ w# H7 g& b  @2 |  kit's starting because we have sins......
2 a' Q9 h. ^7 asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 _* {( l/ q2 w5 p. ]: i% h8 q& @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 L* ~6 k* ~- c6 g2 m8 }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 E' e: h$ y6 K5 y6 R) m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& _& G/ u4 U7 m  e% F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 n  }7 X4 d! Y+ `, @, o# R8 \: R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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$ o5 p& A+ t" a1 N, y* e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& M/ {/ n# v" R7 h+ g6 }% U1 n4 }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 S) J/ r: p) }" J$ G& |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 [- R/ w8 K3 A3 j. z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 e8 Q0 e' e0 l9 e% I以下是其他人的見解," ~6 `- `7 E+ t7 v* Q  o1 ~( W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 z) e( L( {! Y% z, v/ O
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ V& K- B9 A2 {" [% w& P4 z! J, ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 b2 N% I. z* X" c

9 l: B7 d9 @3 R6 ^7 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 b- z& Q4 M  g" a/ M5 K
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 y# P, p+ V# M2 A7 d. eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.