Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 W! w  i2 E) |6 U, D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ b# V* K" j4 V( @3 {6 K5 _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ i$ t: I; l, Q7 w4 z$ F- i' A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 {4 n. t" I8 @0 e6 W7 E
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( {) f5 Z$ e/ M& W/ L3 |/ y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 z/ q4 }5 a% ]% ~8 t3 D: p* u8 l& V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, \) O7 r# I! m' F. B% B! B) V/ L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* I2 a8 C* ^) z1 x8 ?" m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ S: @6 ]  i2 g! r/ k5 F. U9 BWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 A. H2 Z: J, M' c4 GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: I& \, k5 y5 W3 Y  Z0 Q

2 u' Y" p2 d& H5 dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# M) n+ {4 I& S' M) }# V- u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ a3 D. i' C6 S) z5 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", r; r! G. M9 i: a! r6 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# ~! c7 _$ H+ W! Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ ?4 X3 L2 Q. j8 _; T

; B% K% L1 d0 l8 _it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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0 b) Q& f9 |8 j, |1 G7 B* t: M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 h+ q% D: ]# n1 F4 D/ x' n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# ]' g7 a3 k6 J6 o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 v: ?% X1 {% T! H, y* V! W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ d" r; A( c6 }; z5 w! c7 {

& N- u  }: a5 w. f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 c" }5 ^8 r5 A2 C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 e) I3 Z) s6 K# E8 r
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ C4 q) A+ g# @3 x1 v6 V

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: b- b; t, }6 j# ?' F.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: E9 G+ {7 i% l- E7 @

! C4 a  z1 k% C+ \5 j$ ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.