Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 ~. {/ Q6 n8 F, r" |( I) B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 T, x% Y  d7 J4 {1 D- e# M

, _3 }3 u: G5 U1 |# i8 MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) M7 `  E4 {4 j. y7 K5 [

3 ^( u+ @3 [- P9 A9 l$ nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ J; c# G5 w9 `7 |- vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, T  Y/ M- u$ vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, ^- X  i, {8 }: ]% ]& k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: b. c4 V) W. t8 K
真的!!這不是反話7 V2 U7 ~0 G  k5 J. S: B! O& d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; d0 r9 p0 W1 r3 `$ q* P1 f$ q5 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 p) ]7 ~, X, I- h" g, o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  B3 {8 O6 m1 R) L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% n4 J4 i7 c/ o! U2 rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., |! ]6 y: l7 p. Z5 c3 m1 U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 x2 V4 |5 w: S5 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; b" w8 I6 _) ]0 W" B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; L* a  i; p- f( y$ \5 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& R9 u, e, L9 c. c) n) `2 I

0 |& N- D+ J& y2 Y% q  J) ~it's starting because we have sins......, Q' e9 r, E+ ?, B. V5 P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 s% J- l# @2 a/ L7 |% J* four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 K' ^% n; j$ E: c3 I3 z% Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% ^" G& U$ Z# h5 X, l, E4 ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' H) n% l8 j# s  {$ v2 P: ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' o8 z5 R8 D; j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 |$ o$ X/ E6 I% Z6 H# t
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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! ?& x# |+ U: n# l6 H& A# s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% |: D3 n0 s6 i' o6 o; I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 C- z) |0 k0 a# ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- \6 Y# o4 b  @- @

8 \$ O" \0 j0 ]! R+ S( G以下是其他人的見解,
" g% Y. w; J2 {5 R' P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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4 t5 Y; ?0 J, M* B[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( j. S5 B6 c9 y9 Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....0 @7 u8 Y( [% K0 g
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. {- F* O$ @; C. I1 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.