Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  V; d- q, \' X我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ G. U! U" E; `8 x# N8 U% j% W又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# C! z# P1 f% `5 G0 K" A. x7 z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 m" e) `! S6 I/ H/ f, o8 p呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 I! X. s- i3 V2 s3 uNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) q4 M% ^5 T' O& O4 g3 B

; d3 Q2 a% F0 W/ n& E5 j. pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 A4 x9 n- R# g

  J$ J9 c2 _9 o  h8 A" U8 Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! y7 X  @4 ?5 m/ v; B! _1 K& P0 M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 O; ?- Y8 E& z& ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 n& R! ]/ X& \: G7 [7 z* p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' F; i& c  l% A4 c) E7 @
真的!!這不是反話0 \4 x: `$ {2 z# @$ V" `  ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& }6 r; F4 X2 b  Y& j/ }: E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( m: L1 \5 ~: [% {# u9 M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# J6 }- P+ ?# R* \/ D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" m' e; m0 j2 `1 d. X5 `7 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ W" i" K" M9 o; R4 N  z2 SWhat a statement we have here?" n9 y- A5 t, f5 f, o+ l$ e* A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. H, Y1 j5 F8 x% {/ \- BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 `/ u$ C' c. _7 a- f
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 Y1 o% c" t/ X8 S, o  U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" w9 `; m' Z& M' b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) {) o0 ]1 \$ K; J5 l  u) Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." P+ ^& \( f! c' ?4 ~- S

2 @% q3 ?" X  p' R5 e5 hit's starting because we have sins......9 Y8 ?+ @! J( l, C; N9 l* B0 V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + @9 _4 l2 J" b, s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; h1 I4 q' e) y2 Y1 L6 U( Y, Q$ m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  R: A9 t. d8 W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ u! r: x: w, ~+ o/ B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 h5 U$ `6 G6 M2 O% c% _0 b! D1 B
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: L5 ^2 c) s1 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  g0 _8 {) ^$ h

" y8 N4 Z2 M& S# u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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) r& y( G5 _; R; Z/ W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) q4 ]' h9 \% B2 N& O; L& s: @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ m% [0 v) b8 O5 a5 B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 s: p. `4 E7 B5 r+ b: X. Z, G吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  W: E( [' u. \/ R2 _' `% J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 R/ y0 J6 |$ M9 n, P" W/ o- I" X2 T

) |7 V6 A- v. F  g9 g) [以下是其他人的見解,- h  H) r* k; k: D. C- Y/ }( a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% _1 `) f  X9 R- K3 f
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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9 i/ [- v' O! s- Z' H[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 R8 i4 F& ]9 E! T) s" V9 Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* Y& z9 N' |7 s

' G% X4 j" l$ K& Y3 ]$ M1 Q' }8 b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ T7 J7 @% W4 z. G
.............信耶穌... ...

4 Q+ o3 h& ?5 N" y8 Q( b9 ~% T7 bRegarding the resurrection....: N! }& N+ d' e) A# g' ~4 m* k$ n' m

! F" o  h9 s/ O; @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- V2 R7 O1 ]. l" w5 B, d( Q

" B1 C, T2 C6 r1 I0 i$ l. fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.