Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; I4 e0 f; p+ }* ]/ f我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, p5 ^6 S: U6 f/ N$ k% N- d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 g5 L) k$ k. s& R3 SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  n( B* [2 U6 P4 P

4 |) {: b% m7 j+ t3 t6 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 r2 v/ ]% ^1 r6 [
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( I; u$ }6 k: F5 K. _9 }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' ^. V1 w) A* W/ }" Q$ c* Q0 G, Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 d3 X9 Y6 k, i6 `* r4 r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人) [0 @& O; }: s/ a) L# V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: w9 {6 e' s) q0 W* n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: x' t/ V% h2 G; \/ [8 G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ A) b' N9 J& p' P- s# c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 a2 J! L. n5 y# v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* W! u5 Y% L- f6 c5 x  l2 |2 mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : ^( c' S  B, `. _$ H# ?

1 ?6 `1 P' a0 z2 jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! f7 j/ h4 [6 [% k6 h! R

& l. P/ \7 p( ~( [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) d. e3 P* q8 o' u/ V  E. }7 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' H. f. E' `. ?  G6 Z+ N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* ^; B" ]* E9 _! N) Q. K$ s
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 i  G' ~4 V$ a, B% t3 tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) G9 m. W5 r  ?7 s0 {7 e6 u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 d+ l* e& o" c* o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 m' k9 X4 f) ~/ p8 E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. e& R- i( x3 R0 {& E4 M. _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 e3 L7 y# g* t, j

) `- ]' D' |$ G, H3 g, R# a4 l0 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. m! o* m6 G# w/ B" |( \" Q$ \* Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 q% O* y9 f) b6 u' A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) r6 K' x& k& |1 i, g
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 q- v0 c0 ?7 a2 R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 E' y' ^9 v; Z. n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: q' \0 a  Y# R7 f/ x- Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,* f% Y  ~: I+ n$ V7 a% g3 S. K9 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 R$ s' L0 \% l/ M& q: I0 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ }% }8 e9 P, [% {; y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; N, Z/ [0 L2 I( v/ x2 w.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ [% l. z) a# ]2 z( O4 M$ w. S

/ g6 _9 d1 u1 J  F/ aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.