Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& \2 q- d& E( p7 G  J我係一個連自己都吳信的人" N; a" G; N, M6 C* C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- }0 g% h2 \. J# X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' C% a; T5 t3 x9 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 W2 s8 l$ ~0 t. `- I! M& oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 c% Z# k. A! ?8 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 a3 X* h6 h. O* z7 w9 G3 M
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 X2 ?7 l7 T: ~% B+ t7 a5 p' j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 A: J1 n' X9 R5 f8 B# ?$ ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( }2 t  e% C3 k7 e, h$ F" ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, {+ g3 F" K2 R+ w7 d6 i3 X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 }4 \3 K: m3 O9 X* D( z3 w! d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: C$ Q  W; h' b; k+ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 H5 u' K. ]+ W6 t$ D, Q

, z) H8 _  {* I1 c- fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 Q2 }6 T# p, a

7 s- v' o# F8 tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 U2 t! e3 G% f) p7 u, M# `+ R2 ^9 a3 B( i

6 L7 g: n5 q. x( ~/ L# |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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2 c4 {, A1 B  G$ n7 M% m; Y& Z) b"不信也沒損失"- @/ \5 x7 p3 @* z+ a$ z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) Z! J4 T. P1 `/ ?, F8 q6 U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." C; C1 }$ y' D/ P0 {- r
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it's starting because we have sins......- k* z1 ^) Q' R9 U# B9 f* {7 y  M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: w' R- s6 z% e5 B9 m$ Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ b  K, W$ T/ u9 j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* w" b3 f6 W: T* `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  b; ~; }; Q( b8 ]9 ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 i5 h8 j7 _, z" z: t3 `7 T, `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( _$ r$ [  k4 x* W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 k+ U1 ]4 q0 d1 s. m& p+ I, a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& K! V6 d. \3 f' K1 D+ [6 Q$ e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 @" a- y! D8 B# Q9 n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 D# W: l* c9 |% @$ P* |' A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& b, v1 k4 G; Y) s+ W7 a2 Z1 O

1 ]& ?7 @$ d- M5 Q" p$ V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! Y0 J) X! t6 S# C) _2 N/ [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) R; I. x  R0 K( f8 D  d9 L
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以下是其他人的見解,) T* a* S9 |8 w  J: L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% Z) S$ O1 v; N9 n9 |7 l; V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) B3 y! B, x. m1 @7 H6 j7 A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 ?  p! b4 [0 V! f# E.............信耶穌... ...

# Z! \! Q- s6 \( Z' L+ O  E: [7 v( |Regarding the resurrection....: \; }  Q6 k- L/ ~

7 E5 h" }" N" V5 Q1 P3 UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ {7 |2 I8 k; l& l" M; q. f

2 G; \$ n$ L0 t! \" jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.