Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 a- {8 m- N, h" L# F, q2 n$ B. s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- J, j- Z8 c/ l8 d: c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 h0 \6 i$ y; |7 p4 v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- f6 b, F% d% c$ {7 g
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ X" t# V1 ]* P5 ?6 O! ^& @$ w3 h+ A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  _% n  v' b. _* t. n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 S4 \; H- n, d# N4 |( L" z, p9 l) A真的!!這不是反話
) E. Z6 W* e, j  ~0 g( k因為我是情感比理性強的人8 h2 c& ~; g$ ^! R; c, Z4 X" U2 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 |) `! A: L! C. m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% {) c& L' P( F+ R, e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# X9 M3 i6 t* P2 _& b3 p# F! P. c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 }6 d( p$ E1 c4 X  GWhat a statement we have here?! J$ z" d. K; ~6 y( R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ h+ o, ^* V' v" `' I& mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"" ~+ f; L3 A& l. z- m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% ^% }& _. s# H  M( o6 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) q& I) W5 ]. n7 z8 P

' G1 c2 }* d# d3 r) Wit's starting because we have sins......2 c& Z3 G8 e1 s* a  V' w# J$ X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: p+ L/ e$ \8 F0 u/ \. q( F; C- iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# A7 j2 \2 N& q' D; [) E只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; m7 o" j8 F$ L, Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. h- L1 i$ G) ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, i. B! r/ k- X$ M3 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: M. U) r% t6 u: y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( l' ?0 u" X8 j$ A9 {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 {% b3 {( `) v  J7 D, ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! e% S1 |  M* ^9 v/ {: S

$ H- e) H2 Z2 E6 k: {6 E' x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. R( P$ N! N- m+ z% Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 T2 t3 v& z5 ?  l5 S以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( Q) u) @6 L' h5 J# \- s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) u0 b4 j7 p% A+ z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% Y2 m% ^; M2 A! w.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) ^" G8 Q- B; a* i0 c; F) eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.