Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* R% H" a5 |2 m# E$ e2 X: z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# p. T: [) g4 u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 ^& s4 E+ h5 ^# R/ L1 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 B% M9 Y& Q" r* g( X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ x. T; q* f+ \  A0 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 d5 X6 A% X. b- i1 G

7 z% X. t5 F" Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% X( X2 i# i4 u: qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 ^# {+ u( i; y) y0 o. l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 X  T2 N' y$ A  n- b" o我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: j3 {' W5 y3 `2 q  ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' [) c/ a5 }& r( [- |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * _. ~( H) z4 D/ J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 [+ a: e4 T* m# R/ B6 @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ Q# W7 f; Q% _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 x4 L1 l6 q" \  N"不信也沒損失"7 C4 G, l5 e' ]4 O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 _) p; y3 L3 P. z! @- qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. W& X9 \* |, Q3 ?: v/ o9 Y1 i& bit's starting because we have sins......$ \" N/ Y8 a# r. W7 P) @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 |6 h0 O% u5 \8 Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 q+ }" x' Z# L5 a% i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) ]0 |1 T, ?/ E; c: m' s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 q9 K5 |$ e& q  M8 J) M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ A6 l, G. p2 }& d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# A/ _. S& p$ x& s6 K6 f, e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  d0 M6 b7 I1 B) ~2 E& a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 U1 {, v& w' \5 |" R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( D6 K! E* F* e- m$ S
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ [5 J* z6 N1 d. I5 ~7 C/ F

. o7 y3 K" [2 V" k8 n5 x: ^3 s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. L1 o+ R7 j- f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& n4 |! H, X$ {: F: T! d.............信耶穌... ...

5 k- U2 ]# E  g$ ]: N+ i) v( LRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  [+ {  g/ C1 j6 J& m* l& P: H
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.