Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ k8 H: W2 E7 w1 v" ?7 j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 o+ V8 Q: n1 ]' H) p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 B$ g* D+ m, i4 @( P5 n! E( W3 J( ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# Z8 V; m7 S$ B! W1 t8 ^' r; q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  B5 J) Y/ M) ]+ w2 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ k( x1 K6 m1 N

. d, V- L* i( }' Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: i( o. |: x2 t) k( E- ~3 `) d+ ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  V/ S6 C, L& j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 A* `. S& P: l! B7 a, [因為我是情感比理性強的人- R/ {4 Z1 M4 |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: l: j& Q8 O, y. R: N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 x1 v: q/ z2 ^- j* j" W1 E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) q+ D$ K- q3 }1 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; l3 ?  {- y3 w+ I' Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 [' f+ ]) {4 ^" ~$ v3 h% \1 O2 Q

" y4 W) i+ B$ k; LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- a$ X- v+ Z' m) gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ R1 M/ m8 ?3 x$ ?, p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" X0 M: ~7 C& gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' G5 Z3 w, Y6 g) W& |6 {4 G' S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# N2 ]- }7 G# Q0 \# {1 ~) F
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it's starting because we have sins......; T1 y8 S& G" }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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8 m, t+ w: C4 }" a$ g6 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ \( B4 M0 o* Z# F: W0 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) `5 ^  k* U0 S7 p, d! J- s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ G* e3 K- \* |" q' C2 Q% g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 @+ p8 J5 i' f5 _2 {. ?
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 q* Q1 ^5 |! o* v% o/ G  V$ E
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 N: L% b* g, Q7 Z+ d" S0 A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ D1 z4 j( j1 W6 ?: m: U* p0 o以下是其他人的見解,% g0 y' h# N+ L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% @; h- N! E, J" X* _) e. c

! j, ]9 r! [, B3 f% l, ~9 z, U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ W9 a9 c: q  H% i0 k3 N* H$ O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 D) Y. ?' a1 ?( {; R我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& T# N, M7 N. k
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! V0 ]7 N8 a8 I7 u# V.............信耶穌... ...

2 v7 e( p( j7 l' lRegarding the resurrection....1 Q. ?: q% `2 C& v. q$ \4 L2 ^+ B

2 U9 ^9 l+ c6 Y2 w+ tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.