Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# R8 q$ f: ~6 o% w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 I# p% R) z: \7 [呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 W) f3 b# A7 c& |# N. Y5 @+ D$ XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& U& Q  J* w* v8 u# m8 @3 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; T7 r; L+ G1 o8 W; E

) C4 W9 u" Q7 ]* C: Y4 imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% @) E# C* A( z- B- J" Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 ~) y9 |& ]4 F. y4 echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ \6 m$ A3 L! K# I5 S  n3 c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 M0 K3 y; ~- R4 H$ R+ k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* P3 V) s7 M! v- ]; n% [" K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# _4 d2 \  ?; y4 C: L, }( {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 ^! o- ]5 e, o1 c; A# AWhat a statement we have here?
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2 W# l  m+ U- z0 P# N! ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 {9 U! T# K) R1 ]  f6 f' J

" a5 |6 i" h4 |6 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' Z; J% Y5 i- a, v* \, A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., T2 X* R% D" W5 `& X( E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& v# r- ~0 L  Z2 k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' v! A8 z% M! L% S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 V0 e, w/ Q) K1 n  F' a; }6 _只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 n+ o# }: ?/ b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) A( e# D! B0 y8 W' W* Y1 x5 ~* I
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) K. U6 `. z+ t7 D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ h0 i+ o; c+ A6 {9 c# z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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" p% K9 j, @7 b& Z: N* ?' ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ P, }1 E7 d3 Y+ d, Q# T. r, B) ]
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) ]) ^/ V! b& \5 g( t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  M  u( \$ q( K5 {, z) c5 j: I, F! n& l以下是其他人的見解,
3 j9 S( t6 W+ A& \6 ^看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ p5 }5 p4 z, F3 M' }1 v( A0 ?) |: m5 W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' R. M3 b3 g; C" h

! o5 c, f/ W+ [1 M% ^6 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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6 ]  K1 ~$ w/ G/ |. ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! l% V$ ^" i. q% w2 G.............信耶穌... ...

* V9 A! E% I& }1 w0 HRegarding the resurrection....4 H, t8 q) O; L) k
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.