Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到! n0 V2 F0 N) ?4 R$ F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ G7 n1 v! x4 t9 f% XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 X  E: Y" J- A* H- [( ?% K' K; g. nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 n2 g1 x4 h8 C0 e' ^3 cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 k# N# n. \2 S7 J- T% Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! k; p# V1 V4 P' q8 W# G5 \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; \% W. Y- c3 j3 l在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% x& ^- F' |( s* F0 g2 U( |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?' m  ?. ~+ h* g$ B- }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 ]3 j8 ]# e  W7 x1 @' ]5 N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* H, t, O( ~! H4 ?2 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ }5 M. o1 p$ K" D% ^; o0 f7 A"不信也沒損失"
# d& q+ @) a9 O! aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; D: B7 L- A5 l! W* k" ]+ N& Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 U4 o# e5 ?4 Z4 u3 a5 G( I$ |

0 T( g# n- O3 P8 pit's starting because we have sins......7 Z- p" I: G  W/ d: z- c* u3 L1 B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + h+ q1 p1 I" l% @' t! c6 N) x: u9 w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 P- ^0 v4 o3 D! c: z/ S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 x( C* V  o- c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, j# @# y1 }$ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. T7 o. f0 \- Z9 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 P8 x6 o% I% ?% b- S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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* o$ s2 e1 i8 r9 h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ ?2 {$ p) O! j' a$ i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ k. v( ~# H0 @& U* |# ?7 G
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( J. c  Y* a& c( U( l
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) z/ q+ _/ Y5 K) d0 B
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" e3 I' ~$ T' a" N* T
.............信耶穌... ...

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2 Z7 T1 y8 u+ j4 [, \+ ]4 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 _0 s$ E* }. o9 N- }6 f* }5 N9 c2 ?- `# t# [
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.