Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! A$ P2 F- {0 [* L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, ]3 i1 L% h$ d, f: Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 C/ ~" O, a& e3 c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 D7 h8 {3 O( T% DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) d$ P0 \1 f; g! C

/ I% S+ p5 y: P" B. D! W$ jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' b: I: W$ h) K9 ?) S; o) k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; T. s3 r1 t1 V+ q# f/ w我只不過微小的基督徒...................' I# N* P; z) T$ q( h
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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' r8 b, j( `$ r* a/ @1 y  s1 t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 p& X& ?) p( ^+ m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% G! K3 Z( D1 Z+ @6 B2 L3 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 Q% r$ L' A/ _8 v

# N( }. c& ~4 O4 ^/ x2 G- D8 i" i+ UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 B$ K5 t0 j1 Y! Z2 f7 Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, p4 l2 m( z( A2 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ ^& e. ~* A0 J1 _% G# ~0 S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- J, A. |$ d; [9 m1 ?. ]3 b0 r; F

' I" |; K: @) b1 Yit's starting because we have sins......2 F+ N, V4 b+ p. }1 l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, }! K& e. k( w; Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 V# Q0 Q) M" S+ w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; O* ~5 k& M* {0 m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ [% g3 y7 J' p! s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 V. l0 V' W7 u6 l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 t+ h+ n3 }3 k. _: [3 T7 ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 \. R, C1 P1 f, X

3 E1 l" f, z2 F6 t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ J+ [: T: ?, ^, [: a2 r) C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ u# s4 r# ?, e9 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 w  r9 v& M4 F4 @) S0 U" j3 k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; S4 ~: F9 O! k: L, e1 g0 S% Z; i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 q8 q2 J! k6 G) A& y# t* `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. `! \# K8 }( r5 X# T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: H7 g* [3 L, d, m0 L2 Q' B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ u1 o1 f8 H$ |5 |! c8 q0 m! X
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以下是其他人的見解,5 C# }2 l! d* B0 Y% x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 u1 d/ G, f0 W, A  M: n  B5 _2 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 |$ `8 Q+ L) V

, Y; Y/ x2 G0 p! p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, L9 J" M$ [6 i' E: E2 u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# G6 x0 A, Y! m9 q/ P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 o6 ]) O( j) P7 [

& {/ X2 Y# c. Z& w% x/ @. G9 O6 |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.