Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: h) Y* t; S& z4 F, v' Y) S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; a$ N; O4 x+ x/ [" X; {1 N% F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 B# E0 c7 t; H% `; R3 [4 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ l; t" H: e& ?$ v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: {( `0 T" x0 [& VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# T, M! P6 O! C9 E7 m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* K, v. l4 d$ G" p. p* m- hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 T5 Y3 E+ h1 b8 P% ]# l4 ]1 vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ M. K7 q& n3 j' u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: z6 F" t) V; l
真的!!這不是反話5 s5 ~, E& [; C8 U/ ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 v+ @5 h/ y! [4 b; K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, ^' h4 S1 C. ^" e% e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  j6 @) I5 {, e3 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 p8 q' b& R/ N5 v6 l, n; fWhat a statement we have here?! U* w3 d5 |9 `3 S4 T- q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* ^+ i+ U' V+ BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 l. y' L" Y2 l' @3 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, j2 ^) }9 w. H1 ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 i3 @' v' r& T. {# N* Fit's starting because we have sins......7 n4 J) h( S9 V: I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 b& H/ i4 N% Y# [7 E3 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 w4 E/ S  ^3 W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) y4 a8 e0 }" W/ X4 s) P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ k& l# D! _) I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: i1 d4 A9 G: n: k- d9 H; y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& ?5 |! A: Q6 |0 Q. @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' D# e+ y- l" r3 j. a
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  {2 m" M& ~+ _8 K* d* Z6 l  |& T9 L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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. c5 ~+ E; C! T0 ?" U7 Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& w' q1 W) {. H6 E+ z8 @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 ~( S, r; h6 f! w: p, b1 A- F

0 i8 s6 g: S* f" S. ^以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! R4 b# j: A  N# _" i

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( z3 I$ y: x1 j0 i. \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 M5 F+ ?$ O9 ]) t: P) z+ m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( L1 J' h6 W$ ^- b
.............信耶穌... ...

/ k# w2 ~: K+ r6 e; K6 |  pRegarding the resurrection....0 Q- N& P* [7 \) K
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* A7 b& p; d) Y5 dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.