Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! p" U$ V5 c: _4 M9 w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 s  t; f: k, d* }) |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. H9 \& \2 Z3 j* v0 q道理我知道好多只係做吳到) J7 e' p( s) g# f- v% ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% [9 p& X3 h0 t8 i; _8 s; ^

5 ]& [# M9 y5 q$ A" a$ ]" xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: z3 Z% S2 K" y! i7 ~! l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' W2 `' w* ~( A6 F5 x

# w4 H( R& h9 j* w  G$ l  vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 [/ o0 j, o4 S% z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  @2 B  r4 d0 F+ a" ^% k! ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( ?3 J; `! {( ^+ C0 A" N
真的!!這不是反話) y0 L' O1 \$ F
因為我是情感比理性強的人" u1 n1 O( m. v6 A# ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' c, x; |9 q9 ^/ o! ]; r5 s, \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! o1 E6 m- ~. {# G- Q( L4 p8 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 R' m6 z( g% d+ c+ b+ N  jWhat a statement we have here?7 U' U9 j3 c/ ~4 V  b2 k1 C
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# j9 v. G7 g4 F0 G4 \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. H8 g! k% r" Q0 q" I/ Q$ v" [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 J9 K  ^) t4 D5 a- }# m. b"不信也沒損失"
1 H5 M6 \3 O9 n* m* x0 G0 qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 q; b% M$ d- K! Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* z$ g7 S& U2 c- c- X6 M' O! a" }! Y

! x$ G2 W7 B% M" L5 ]8 Pit's starting because we have sins......
% _8 G/ `) }: N+ u6 S4 Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 C, F5 V7 m' x3 N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) @  j8 U% B9 m& }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( x- j6 a( r2 H6 G2 e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 Z$ B- R( M5 n1 M' q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 W) e$ k0 B# `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 L3 b9 ?; R; W# Y

+ T2 Y8 U* Z. m% D/ `9 T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 p# ]6 A7 z; r6 L* S! o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 M, ]- ~' b, C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% W/ b: G8 X( o' O' Z" @
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 ]: g& X: ], y' |7 A) G8 {  g

6 J+ Q  X( K( I) `9 [1 ]: g0 A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 J+ j# b) J8 q3 D2 q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 J- o, c/ A0 Q! Z8 \

; T% {" G; Y/ k: E7 n. \以下是其他人的見解,
6 T: w5 S; K% Y; r: X. G/ f5 ?看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: e/ R2 q5 B4 i3 Z' |7 I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( L! u5 W; |8 {

3 N* y# `; t4 i: w4 A! t: o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 d$ _; V; D  U  z$ x0 l

3 y- m* E* W  t4 v5 X0 }# C同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. I; @7 R- l; v" k0 h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., K/ j0 Y' L" _6 D8 l0 y# y$ s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.