Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 A5 Q' g3 N9 A9 [# s3 T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ V0 n6 r- p! k1 h8 c% \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* u: y1 W2 O- ~  Y; }) C) F+ N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 C. q/ d- v- H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& F; G2 O0 G  {! x3 c1 U( ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: Y% L  H0 D" o4 U/ p" S2 u

/ F4 h* e. @* [3 N$ E6 A/ @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 ]$ Z# t2 t5 ]% i* xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* i! O/ e) p" f" P/ q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 q1 e8 h6 _7 h* x- Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" S5 N2 b, n9 d8 b, X4 h7 p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( Y; [" j; }( |2 @4 v
真的!!這不是反話' T6 H) C* l& J, M4 l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
  I* ]4 \' u% S) e4 U$ F6 a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 s7 Y" R  I! i1 @% C3 k9 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 K: a: J5 u7 L+ E& K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* M$ w- Y9 n% k/ l& v# {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. w, {: e3 G; x2 c9 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: t2 C% g0 c/ t0 z5 d" A7 J' {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 U6 P  K0 o) ?1 t9 m: T9 e$ @$ CLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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, `2 Q$ o$ z8 X/ B[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* i$ B# O3 T1 o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: i: o  `7 s. d, r. f5 O0 S1 V9 W1 oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 I% H0 ?8 r* E. |8 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, s7 j4 G) H$ Kit's starting because we have sins......
" H. y/ r8 T, [8 f" m) Gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 z; n7 u' c1 h/ [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") Y1 x$ I7 o, c0 b2 Q  _, ]- M9 H  p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# j+ M% |0 @0 K; m- I7 f! K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 w# u( ?* K  a% L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' _+ f1 y8 ~$ P. w" S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 V5 Z3 S; `! L. V  r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, [( g9 ^! s8 W% B3 r0 }: [
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& C+ G0 w+ l- V: P1 i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 K. m, _& v& d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 g) V3 b0 N9 B1 l7 o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% `! l" h5 n  u7 \- g$ {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; Z4 R8 C+ {+ n$ T& j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 X8 N$ B# V8 ~
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以下是其他人的見解,! ~/ D9 r. N3 f; }& ^- h, P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- W) d( Y6 W: h/ `& r/ n* _" f
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( l6 ^8 d& w& e) d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 ?" X3 N% Z; P4 N9 t; d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  `, ~1 r" x1 R9 @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 m5 q, S. l! v; W" @7 r1 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 r( x$ S  n& \5 ]; @! x) y

, x; {: V# G- u1 G, j# O7 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.