Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 [4 Z4 L8 T8 ^0 U9 V+ m' Q" a0 m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% e9 ?( s0 c& w  d+ ?2 i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' X6 I; c$ x; w3 V3 v道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 B$ Q6 j( n( ?0 I% X" L; Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 L8 y- l* @* M8 e! Q

2 B4 l7 g( @3 v6 {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., ^, J! i; P' q: a2 n7 D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) ?+ j- }0 J& m' J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 }0 C' w; h( o" @
真的!!這不是反話6 i0 a2 b0 x/ b; B  U* s( {: ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人; B, A3 r- j: j/ A3 S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- {, T( f2 V' J1 Z/ X; A  F
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 H7 F$ K5 ^/ m$ W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 d4 L2 i1 H2 N) g- ?

) O6 M: F" N/ Z4 }% K- R4 ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 I: ^. D7 [$ X7 ~4 O: UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 H9 W: E  }" l- [) f3 D

; [! w0 U( C# _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 I- n  c( d. F7 d6 j* G

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 k2 ^# N) r" U* x! X% L+ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; e2 y2 [% H9 b4 N1 F$ g"不信也沒損失", S0 j+ ~6 G) d7 f5 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 Q+ e) U  Y8 M* Y, ]  `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 w' h% U- K7 g4 R* R
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it's starting because we have sins......! c* L( S9 a! L9 K& Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 y. ?1 w7 k9 @% ~1 i+ ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 Y- ]5 X% b  ?$ z5 B' ]) Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. o' X  h; l, e0 ^" H2 T

, |7 n* Y, L. @" F! o% R# x3 t7 q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 |# Z. H6 l* \5 l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  O; `0 e7 @5 I

9 e4 U# R  W& v* q$ m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 K% d; ^' W+ p' U* W& \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* h! G8 ~9 n* N7 Y( b4 _$ N美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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( h' m9 v5 m2 b0 _; \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- y3 a- W- P' I8 f7 Y' Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# T( ]/ N  \/ B
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# X9 T' v/ R+ O( d: V3 o7 Z$ C  r

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 w. X* D- s' W4 y: l# `9 D

* D6 V) c  n! h% `. ^! i; S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ ]1 Q& k0 v  t' s' `+ r/ w同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 K( F" \& I& s; x0 U& f
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 X3 G; Y9 d" _1 z5 @# ?: ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, y8 b* [5 M' R, F( z& Y, a  BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.