Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# t  ?2 f! W; |: Z- `  X# I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* J* V8 S& F/ }+ c' _0 E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( P3 m- ~; F7 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; @8 |& }3 d4 r: p; C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- s! E' R' Z% r+ [4 ^# ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ p/ h8 |4 }' W% @5 Q" ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' }, w4 \0 ]( zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 X% y$ J# a$ k# q9 s" @/ gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 _, c/ ]' C- N" P, r% p* c( b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 U+ |: d9 F4 n" d; H% c) _0 b
真的!!這不是反話: S5 X. T1 m3 S. }4 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 H/ ^# I* a7 b* v4 s& ?& c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 N+ j+ s0 H5 Q% Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 t$ E+ Y$ x, K1 z, I- m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, V% t& b# D3 ~8 M8 D: I& B; [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 n- {/ v" f( u+ h4 DWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 d9 D4 ~  G. `( m, ~% V4 p* z  {% Z

  R: V# ~9 N( x5 _. g/ KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 K8 M. m* R/ ^. z* K! N! Y, {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 f7 r- H: ~& a2 W) d# }7 P
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' ?$ d! j/ \. p9 e* M  G- K& A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 Z0 @5 [( d; R* V# `3 x: `"不信也沒損失"4 P- z$ z1 f. \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......& T( i8 z2 W5 O" N: m, S* i/ f3 c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 @1 h: B0 X% J% P9 z; q9 q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( y, u) q/ G- V8 r* I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' b- f- [4 L% P5 z$ V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; P6 z- E3 e& T% |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 k7 u" K" D9 l  j" S/ ~3 v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 D( i, E8 g8 C' e0 i
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, E0 e) Q5 r, Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; ~- L+ s* v3 n5 |以下是其他人的見解,
4 {9 H9 d" T5 v$ S看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 `4 t- u) W/ p8 J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  ?2 N: O: D0 _" V, W' L9 V

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; l& L6 u3 z$ P+ U( V$ |$ u
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 u7 k% D* f1 @  Y' D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ D0 {- m2 h# T* Y5 q0 x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 v" i: Q: X! R" l& [( a3 s8 y

  {2 T0 b: q5 s( Q- J5 r/ `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 `8 R) a2 Y8 O! J1 I- o
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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4 @" y0 g9 r5 b$ U1 j' VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 o6 ~1 E$ i7 L0 f
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.