Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 X! h4 U7 g# w, @% S0 M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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6 Z! M  ?2 \, s+ ?' U道理我知道好多只係做吳到) c: l- k7 b% l3 T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 D. S$ S2 E3 \7 B1 GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 t; ]' W' r2 [" z  _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( K6 Y: j0 o# x2 @1 f. {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話) g2 k* M+ c6 C" L& o$ a
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 V' a& r' z  ~$ ~# m$ o- T( C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 I# O6 j& E1 K' p/ y# A) [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ {, z; z: {. |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' g; S# [0 s! Z) L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 H6 G% M4 X' l. C/ U; r, z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 u5 V& A/ R( d% z* S9 bWhat a statement we have here?" F' v" `% {! n7 |& k$ i

6 C( }+ e2 ?0 U+ ?6 qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 ^% ~, e0 r8 w5 t' ^, ~0 f+ l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' b+ j( }3 q0 Xit's starting because we have sins......  m6 H  B2 D; r1 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 |) M+ C2 V; Z! D. Q# U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- m$ A: X, B; ~9 ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& h) E9 ]: Q% P$ z7 Q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  s" h$ a3 `- _0 e' @9 d3 B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 f6 C' i* t* K) ~! f1 m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( j) ]& a- v; t+ w: v$ y0 R

& y& V/ A1 I/ s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 m0 K: X# Q% r; c; F4 J# b3 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 ^8 I; j+ V" m: q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 _3 j* [  l; z2 a1 u* t, D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 a0 L/ D+ l& H7 F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ q! [9 Z( y2 h: C& I/ y) r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 D. e" _+ w2 x5 u8 R: N

$ {3 p1 _  u3 B1 h, F. Q" f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ i3 w( T8 P/ {
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! F. \3 d: `) [4 f" @8 q
.............信耶穌... ...

- o( d4 v. k2 a' rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 _( ]2 [. k- @) r+ x2 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.