Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 G3 E1 c7 u% A/ z) z: z. _  k5 E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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# e7 s. U; O  _& ~道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  |0 K& p% @* w8 K1 q& Q  Y7 |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 M. `7 A$ f, Q2 fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 @+ r  a% a# W; U# Y" V! W; r

& L% Q; h7 U! J: y6 k4 mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 o) M7 S2 d" Q* v  jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ r9 o6 G; Y) V' o/ T- R3 Z! v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: _0 g: V: n! l$ p: o# v( \
真的!!這不是反話5 T( w  E' C( \% z; l$ i) `
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ I# }( C5 G, l! i' r5 a9 X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; g6 C5 N0 |) Q! c# h, R
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ I7 Q' E1 f' R; }6 E5 B6 S0 x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 \( D6 d2 w/ r1 PWhat a statement we have here?" L$ m5 |2 D' Y( h% ^6 M! C
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 I. J2 v- Z1 x1 ^7 zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 l6 i( u7 S  C* e# g) [3 H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 `' b. h: M7 m( ?

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& a* b% a9 Y9 p/ ~" q) g+ R, i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 \6 r2 |! U. U- O7 V/ JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......! C  E/ H' ^5 F9 e8 K. ?; Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", b, N% ]; \' P+ @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& d3 B9 k( j) `: g% p% ]# r0 R4 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 i. ]7 C8 E5 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 t; Q, w6 c( t' s5 i; o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% K* u9 |9 _- e8 d6 j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, s7 S8 t  e" z5 N' \+ ]: D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 }) d* Q& r$ z, P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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! ~& s4 d) ?% X& {  M. y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( B$ W0 g; |6 u, E) ?/ u3 g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( y+ Q( m2 z! z2 G3 P' z+ U7 E8 _

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% y% J3 j% T# D2 |以下是其他人的見解,6 b% f6 w1 E/ S1 i% [0 q* n: s0 m$ l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! ?8 j) s0 f3 a: h/ `" }; ?- C
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' w& z1 c2 l/ J8 V# ^" \- A1 i

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! O1 k1 u' {( y8 T
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 O! `; w+ T* E6 R.............信耶穌... ...

+ c) q0 O! F. J" x  e8 ?' E2 pRegarding the resurrection....5 K: I* n' n2 J' }5 u" u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( `$ F5 Y4 t: P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.