Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 @0 _% l! v* I7 i0 B) S( S" O- R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 v+ R( D9 o& }$ ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" u) }0 u7 t. q4 B, B' z# D. f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( T% G2 A6 X1 V7 O& K+ q/ e
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 f# s: r* R) ]& C' m3 R* k/ }% d3 ~
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., n5 m6 O, K7 T# r, E2 u# R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 f& x3 Y+ r% q: J& ~/ O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 a" a: [, I1 B, ^1 s我只不過微小的基督徒...................! H5 ?' B* F: z, Y, }; s2 R) ]  E
真的!!這不是反話" f" _+ v4 S+ f' _* |  U
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 e9 l8 W' d: T: @, r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ G; k- y: q. K& H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 a& Q/ X2 s( \, _" Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 b+ {  _, }- y5 Q2 UWhat a statement we have here?
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! |: ?9 Q- E: p9 O' dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 f/ Y" X4 ]/ a

9 M! y0 `  \& c0 _- zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 _" j$ }3 v/ y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 G; v* ^& F2 P& p9 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' |8 N$ k: g3 |. e* S( z% f# b7 d"不信也沒損失"
- K/ G6 j7 H! B! X5 r# i: v) kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ ]& G, `: Q7 ^5 Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
# u  `( \1 s9 S% p9 a) nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 A  k# |* R4 G. |5 i; l" ]: @4 Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 `+ Z# L( F$ i8 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; D2 W" b. V% w+ O" y# a# ^8 w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ e5 n' L5 q( A7 i+ ~1 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# V1 {6 g& Z5 m/ T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 _6 M5 u; O) Q5 |6 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: ]! `* \) |- G" T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," [- B. k" h+ e5 S7 y! x! I9 e9 @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 O; K" Z$ O$ L5 J3 u6 I
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," F3 K0 t& |. {2 S' j# {) P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: M  \& B4 g/ k, G& A. {' ]3 z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; r7 ~* ^" A* v% R+ c0 H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 A( S8 u9 m/ @4 _" M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: N6 A' I8 L2 P! V, W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, F4 S/ y4 K3 j# S0 g1 N

7 l% r" c1 L- ^, J9 d/ {1 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! c% {. t% t5 Z: {7 Z

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. k: k1 I- T1 t  V; S5 {3 i/ ?8 z: e
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' W0 y* ?2 A5 U

' O. W( E8 R; T/ m' ]/ ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.