Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 S, |/ G: t/ u0 w: E# C% T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* a+ _) x) f7 K( S# K9 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' c) A" V4 P! q# s2 g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' V) L. c; G( Y+ s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: G# _$ L# g8 C9 Q( p6 t
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& l8 i/ k$ f3 ]# n9 R! }& U5 i; C

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. z0 C  [3 S& D* v- Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: b: m9 _: t$ ?! \4 z9 echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: p6 \; F. x1 n4 E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( w( z' W. Y, L, x* u5 k4 p9 b
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ b3 [6 N1 B# i1 X( U6 B. b# n/ R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( J* e% h: {$ Y8 y  O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& j  r* v, c, m- h, C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" _  o3 l# C$ n3 u( _1 cWhat a statement we have here?/ b. i0 |' V9 W( o: ^9 E" U

8 k) i, J4 a. C. d8 r9 jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- B7 ]% \. z& k5 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." }3 n9 f6 z; \( o. ~# D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"5 n+ K1 V6 Y3 |! J% D9 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 w* t+ q( p4 T2 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......! A/ g3 m. a2 A1 J8 n; H* n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: S& h! @2 ]* E% O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% Q8 T8 Y! w0 V* U: ^& |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 e* G. h0 R  m
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 p* m  |8 `0 Q4 d- ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: M, n  v$ L- v" E# l& A5 }# a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# y+ l6 ~! `( ^" I7 L& _& T" U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 s9 P8 I2 ^5 l* q" Y" w6 ^/ V! k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  t; z/ G+ z. q2 a0 y9 F
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4 b' Y2 U$ _- S# t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, u1 F& a: d7 Z# e; [; {/ D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
& a) h7 C! U3 m! Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 s- y  _- m9 F% m% u
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% b" a) B; E& E) a: d8 J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) T; o; l5 W! B" E4 w7 p
.............信耶穌... ...

' o( C; o$ B' X( T% n- hRegarding the resurrection....* [# m0 @% d; K$ w

; O; ~" p3 C2 P5 kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.