Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 `' a4 D2 p: B/ t' l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 z$ [, f" \) q) \9 E呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; S0 r# a) a! X% [* ^5 wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., B9 h- W  T2 J' o" `, g* c; `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 C. Q3 Q* u2 j9 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 \- w0 \* ?- x. Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 f/ I: M3 c8 }4 U7 I5 Q, m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( w8 k4 X: }/ t  J# ^  W因為我是情感比理性強的人3 W, d# D) i, \5 ~+ M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," T  {2 j2 {; l* B( I3 k0 \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 Y: Z5 M& L8 T; \2 N& S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
4 y; _7 N$ d1 i0 x; w% _正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?4 F. j+ E% Z" w
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 D/ B. p" p& Z% |  u4 j

% @! W/ Q7 t. t$ F( m& }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ e% o. i# P+ D/ _: y! t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* Q: n6 D6 \! ]  o% a: [2 G

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
: d6 Z% j3 a! @" v% N# f+ i$ n# XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 O$ w* C, E/ ]7 ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ o: [+ |; J$ ^

. \. N; z3 C5 z6 `9 o, B7 l' D; Ait's starting because we have sins......8 r% e6 r# n( N: ]2 o4 s, i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 l& _9 o4 m( x3 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; k6 _& [9 Y7 }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# [: p+ ]2 ^. c, k8 [3 h+ F2 R, ?+ d1 X% Q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 t8 G- `  g6 u/ `" H' r: {2 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- `5 O8 O; }& {' J. i" Q! T; A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* E* ~& y, ^- l) `# n) \8 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 p) s. d( X& D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! }0 a$ }- X& `; k, N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. _3 I) Q+ H# J7 X" K. U) I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 K. L) G/ s7 N; a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ ^' l4 N+ a" ~- ^: @; c1 @" Y! I

3 z7 u, h& Z! ?) P( m宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# {$ j7 u/ x& z! x& s! |& ~

+ {! y+ v1 o+ u  o6 B, f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  F  `8 T! {5 `1 \) \; E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' z* w. f; v' t; N) i5 y3 U; {9 k
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm% B3 F9 \! O5 Y  j# S

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 J: m  l$ K7 R7 g+ a# z

5 u- U8 p, \3 w+ k8 O7 s# p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% I; O! z5 z  H8 ^9 k3 {
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! p1 v; Y' Z5 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 v$ k5 ?/ _) w$ Z.............信耶穌... ...

1 N# {3 M) {/ S+ d! LRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 D' X5 ^4 n8 ?* w- b1 A- F- \; `

5 L1 I7 ]% w2 R& B+ p: zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.