Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, b; T( ^3 m" N) E7 i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 o$ {: \( l  k8 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- V. h) A# |+ m道理我知道好多只係做吳到, `" M8 x" Z0 G9 _) F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' v1 W* {- x7 P9 z$ ?4 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& N# o6 G# C; uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( P; y. V" P5 ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 I# D' F* W8 h7 r4 \" P, U, x我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 A7 ^) k! d1 C% t真的!!這不是反話
5 z7 `" e; @% U. Z) L+ O. L& ^3 M因為我是情感比理性強的人: c  `, }/ M* s8 l% f3 Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 Y5 ?" [$ _1 P8 S# \4 k3 v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( m& G6 j1 v' n+ B' m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ C# G" L* E8 }5 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. E/ e  k- H5 m% U. H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & D  e$ c+ U; o0 j( n- W- ~) s: k

0 \- `. ]; ^5 [/ OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 h0 M' b4 `3 W0 V7 h) u% L# r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 P% v- O% i5 c! l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* [- z. Z8 r' u: M1 u# B3 {"不信也沒損失": ^5 N" G4 _4 p" X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* w. a# `: w. M/ Z6 R% fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." I! M+ J$ |# {2 F# }

, G; c$ g2 o4 n- @# e. v3 eit's starting because we have sins......: G. U- V  n( {! x/ k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" y2 }+ a  Z' u& ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 @) h8 ?9 ?( K* k, H& V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 e6 Y+ _5 U) |6 r8 B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; R, C; [5 M( b% e" [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! [4 F+ v( {; H+ N3 K/ R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) c0 S# ^+ \- F/ ?$ A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# u: K1 R  l  q, a' P5 a- v# b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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+ f) v" M% y& e5 J一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" B* s5 K6 s( g3 f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 x6 q. a  l$ S0 m6 [( T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& l4 P6 H1 p0 k0 B3 P2 j. X& n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# m) d# Y) c$ K! m' n) W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 E8 a' r2 G, i  T/ t以下是其他人的見解,
- L& q$ i# Q( h6 o) _# p看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ x  o% D  v  T- t. l) L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ w( i+ y7 j  E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 ]' A' s: D1 o9 x' V' A

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 m/ q$ _) X) y$ c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.