Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, A1 ?# v, W: @- b. k# s4 V我係一個連自己都吳信的人  E) e! K# M' T# r5 z  ]; u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ X. y; ]% H1 ^# s0 N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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1 @; d2 b, ~; _! dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& x( t$ Q' t, n/ w

  A5 a% S8 [7 [% r1 Z; wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 D$ |9 u/ `# F0 fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; {+ O& }7 [" ^* o* b' e2 [) H* D! u

6 t+ S3 s& z3 l" k- h! i. t) M; ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( D+ z( u# Q$ E2 A& {% J. ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' d5 t2 B. n1 @9 ?. k我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 U. Y4 ~' D, v8 Y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," v1 q3 G* l! j4 D: t9 [2 y2 g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 w- i+ u' I9 g8 [. @
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; d5 }1 x/ P9 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 t. G$ B2 i1 {! ~: ^! W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, e. }2 Z' S6 o: o
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 t! e9 F; {3 u1 B9 g/ v+ SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 R( c0 f$ A; C9 Q0 l8 I; Z* _

# m# P* A- I7 T0 d$ JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 r, u, K( L: B) H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# T& V# ?# B1 v) g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! u& O- @6 A9 e+ P/ T- x4 \: z, MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ J+ W4 `: K0 H$ [' B. L: Q2 @7 [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* Z0 Z: H1 r( y' K
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 a, K% G, e: D+ k2 [. a, esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# s  Q; v5 _# {! H0 y# qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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) p1 b- L* K$ S( k4 P" f. S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 j. n5 q! ^7 k1 p; x2 i) F' K# V! L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ t4 d0 N4 f/ G# y7 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 k% ]* a4 P. j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- {+ S: D, o3 Q: Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 q( \  X. H6 @4 N, }$ A+ a

* s0 G& W) i( p$ s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 W6 j- X$ D" v. r$ y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ d5 w1 i6 J+ P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., o1 \9 g1 }; @  O$ `

* B0 z* A( B' P8 }( Y, q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,# T: y" \7 h7 H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 N% f9 P' G& ^0 F" u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: A8 s9 \3 e: h' S+ N) ~4 y* U" g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 l; V7 k8 P5 O+ v# D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" ^, I& x% ?$ k# C0 K% l0 s/ E* y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  S0 H# |9 g3 v( m  s$ X
.............信耶穌... ...

& {) k4 s2 S# W9 c+ MRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.