Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. W. A5 C. |+ w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 g2 I: y0 j5 o0 x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 a& c" b. }; J8 _) M  q3 f/ ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* |4 ^7 E0 Y, C4 k0 E  f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# X  Z& C- r4 J$ C* s# ^* Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 g! E) |% d. I9 U+ ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& ]4 v# E/ x1 l4 s
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* p, C1 G8 s$ c0 o+ L& P5 {; S
真的!!這不是反話
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* {0 }; Q  r* [& @; Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 @( b8 V, m2 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! `' g' R7 d; {! n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 S7 L2 `( j+ L# ^! P' y" B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, u9 }, ^9 L& f" X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  d+ ]7 {+ d! f, dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' ]6 b2 I0 T+ y) l% F7 J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ R4 X% N- Q3 F! ?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' M: [* M! O( w: ^3 E( D
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* j5 h3 T' f. S$ p7 C3 h$ Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& R, `# Y, X9 a3 t6 m6 x4 s"不信也沒損失"
6 V2 ^$ Q2 w4 T. J5 Q. @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 A+ |( Z" e3 k$ l% I; Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# P+ i! [3 r+ n: B$ `
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it's starting because we have sins......! Y: r* q! x5 g4 _7 ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ~, G0 r1 k8 X8 r. q7 X  E" C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. ^8 T+ h" ^3 O8 k; ~+ X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ S8 p' [2 w4 V8 ?% b4 u1 D  \5 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 S; J9 _$ E* K. m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' h7 h5 S9 j1 F3 D, m- y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 t" T' U- A, @9 h+ }% A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 L% I& w, b3 d3 J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" o3 C- M. n- E4 Q2 d! W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 b0 K8 H; I+ S& J- [. B

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+ s; M( L1 v& P) E+ C1 o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! h2 [/ R/ l3 O6 {  l8 _! D" c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 z& n. W( ]* o( W3 w* @
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以下是其他人的見解,# F! ^2 S' X# m. E6 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  O' f3 b/ S, w. ^' ]0 t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! Y3 K6 g& t! b# s: N' ~& u. h0 ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 b# |1 H6 C! x0 V. Y$ ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 j  w. P, n% L3 }, h) U
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.