Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 A3 _( w+ q' B0 y/ P6 S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: E: G1 v3 w& b9 t! p9 S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* q4 O$ Q  o7 @6 u0 q7 p3 d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 n/ ^, p0 Y8 V呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 _- D3 N" k1 {; i- g8 `' ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' R0 `) I0 a  T8 A% d6 C

2 }  s% X( e) w* ]5 j( m! xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% b' d) F0 {) C/ t- jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ r8 J( G& X/ X* f2 Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 }. T# z* T$ j& Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
/ b6 X1 n" ^7 Z6 H& Y/ E2 ~真的!!這不是反話
9 |9 S& v9 i' I- M. o因為我是情感比理性強的人9 U, W/ t( M4 E& g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ [! y$ y" b( w+ L- |1 U+ V$ |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 P5 A3 X# E, Y- {2 ]+ {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 {) p; g5 @9 ?) Q" D+ |$ E& M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, p& e2 f$ h1 M+ QWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 T( A) ~' d  W! J- R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% d' B  o6 }9 p

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 Y, O+ r2 Y4 d7 a# a+ y* G7 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* @8 i7 d5 c% w+ ?4 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 w- h% y. _9 z) a4 s- Y$ }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* [% h- ]# a* J  G8 H+ I7 {

! Y  S! ^! @) N9 w0 F$ w- `it's starting because we have sins......
. a9 }) K2 e: d+ t9 ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 X8 R) ^0 t8 Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% H9 G, V5 g2 w% j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 }" u# z$ n- q+ b: N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 k0 W' v1 p/ w' A4 S  U5 o3 d) j% L3 q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 M& u. ^" B6 z* Q9 c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, R( d6 D* m- u- l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; U8 `4 C: f& o+ @

, {7 m! |0 S9 ?4 {& O* N/ I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 Z% l; q5 Y3 V0 |: r4 `+ Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% {* y. n0 ]8 I' T$ {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* l) m4 q' i# b' l; F# Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! g/ q' s# @9 o, d: Y2 I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 o, }. Y; }: u4 |5 U" t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, j4 x* V; v# `: h- ?8 m( |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 D; q3 b% E0 v1 a" R; v! R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& N2 P' g8 C$ H6 E0 e' z8 ^

; D5 W' ]7 R  q/ p以下是其他人的見解,* A. D3 u: K* m  M3 W. L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 h3 @1 @& }' ]2 m) L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) j) Y8 _3 G- n7 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: G1 F# C( i/ {6 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ d  ?; Q) U% J; O: l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! U3 q7 g! x) s+ O% c6 X2 b9 [. }) L
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- s- g- G, h/ t4 f) Z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 O+ T0 N9 t6 W5 n, b  S2 YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 w2 z1 e$ p) q4 b7 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.