Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ B: r! o# H4 C8 }' H我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 X1 l, @% r) _) f3 O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( I: L- K, F4 q' ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* j8 m; `6 H3 F! C

5 j8 A' u  y6 y$ E5 bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 X4 }- t3 f! D& h$ jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 W, Y1 I4 D; Q& T
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# I* J5 m% }4 T" v0 C/ s% ^" Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 ^8 }# c# \% r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 {4 ~; J3 r3 p7 s4 I4 h3 x3 M4 U
真的!!這不是反話& ^4 k& o, i2 G9 b. g
因為我是情感比理性強的人( x  X; j* q/ l8 ]4 p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ _1 j7 U; s0 K$ t- K; D- m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) E! M0 {, _, C, G% y' `% J7 _: V: |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 ]" B4 U, j  |. C) t7 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, \4 u) N' B) L( `

3 O5 v& M- E2 P9 b8 y' F1 cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# {( z8 K  j1 n- U[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ Z$ `4 |! j- Z6 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. I; m% f0 }- J6 }; m"不信也沒損失"
( j( z: N4 D+ w/ K9 jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 M8 g6 H9 _3 q  b7 Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% \( |1 t, X# g3 z; b4 b
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it's starting because we have sins......$ G1 N/ I3 a, F; k: h9 A/ a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * @# G! b; P  X+ y$ h, b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' p9 J: Z1 J0 s6 g只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% c8 i0 @; Z' N* @' V, P( o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ k# k% D1 d$ ?$ E- t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 X9 M& w9 ?9 ?. M7 f, C- d' k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" U! ^4 Y& E/ z1 `0 k- {* ^0 c0 b- }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: o; ^$ P' V1 j, V) \. H

& {* u/ ~) O2 i$ e/ M* A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- }& o- E+ c) W7 b, p) f2 E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 v8 o; |' R' y& f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" ^' I4 e: K0 D/ i4 z5 N9 h+ b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 ~5 A. Q2 c1 D  O* @+ C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' Q: q4 d* c- w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 F! b8 K8 i" x! B+ g# g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 o4 I# o( q) ^
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: Y4 p# U* ]) S+ U" G. X9 D
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% T- T- r* }3 L" M) a1 ?) X

" ?# W9 L9 [; _+ A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ D9 a  Q5 s! d, Q/ e% |

+ u& G: |- z2 ^5 A1 g% z3 G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 \& t  K5 M* [6 F% V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 {0 c# |1 f9 B! }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 u- y: L+ w; r

, q# e  {  f; d, U3 MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.