Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( [- Y9 p1 Y+ |+ ^% d. W; a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& g5 _9 a8 R/ ]  V7 O' }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 {4 r- [8 R& y% v道理我知道好多只係做吳到* X; ~  O: s; C, P9 _  K3 I3 _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

: q% b' J3 X( d; e5 k: v  i( z! o  y6 a0 K( x/ I! q
Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' d7 o& l4 n# q5 n0 |
) G) s3 j. @( [
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
5 \5 R* }+ m* t$ Z3 g! J2 J1 E& g5 E5 r- S* j4 i% _' E
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 I" z( a4 |( c7 x
5 o7 J2 g* d% C$ f
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 ^% u( g0 A9 f9 B* F. g5 M+ w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 d# P( r$ M: g8 B我只不過微小的基督徒.................... m+ G" |2 o. ^  G9 N; ]. |) c
真的!!這不是反話
" C( Z# s' s2 p( V8 u因為我是情感比理性強的人
) Q; c& P) U# Y* Y- x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 y4 y. r& f+ s' q/ a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 M% I6 ?& g- x; |+ S+ D
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; q5 G  {- u  p% n5 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* e( ]7 Z* X5 V4 l3 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

9 @% d; J2 q0 b1 x% N: K+ o

" I) f5 t& f0 i9 HWhat a statement we have here?9 m/ L4 j* g0 C/ p

- `/ |4 |0 ?* X4 B) h( G- nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
: m1 l! Y( f" @  M
1 a, [; M& ?0 }7 u0 n2 mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 I2 V! @* U+ L! f, I
& k! ~# S1 P/ k& z, R$ K
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 n8 _" l2 l+ k* I  t3 S" m
3 V! c. ~* \' J: F
:cool:- c$ e, X$ R3 J- d: s0 I# J

6 v1 M/ M8 _/ p5 Q% W[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 H# [: F- R# I1 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

" Z9 I( Y( _# c, ]7 q1 z; O; G
" @1 g/ O8 M9 v" M6 K1 ]/ a"不信也沒損失"
' `9 e/ t& H! e5 RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 Y8 K+ V! v9 D" V. v2 B& q- Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ w; l: O* ^7 i' |: z0 K% n& @2 w

4 a2 C5 l* k, G, w% L7 vit's starting because we have sins......4 t9 ~6 K& L& y' g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* R8 A$ g, b( l1 G0 rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 P6 B; Q2 ]# k7 ?" }6 y& M$ {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ W) Y' }6 M, h: @: V, m& O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: h, q, C1 h+ Q1 S4 o! `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 X4 Q6 d3 E7 D) x8 P/ I# }如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ d( R  j! {: B* ~6 T0 J& V$ Q, f  |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& Z5 f2 O7 S5 I: d

: T: E  P( k5 D  }% y  G& Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ F6 q; [6 i6 |! t' W; Y# `! c5 S+ G; m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
& h+ F9 j) D5 X! s% u7 l) `: v4 _9 u3 G* {* ]4 Q
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 B( R0 x$ k7 y( {- K改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 U  v) ]" u+ m& L8 S$ X6 b0 V! Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# H  `1 W7 F! c: S4 j" n

6 i  y6 U: d3 x' G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) a; ^( h6 \7 D( J/ d. l: b  \* A% F
# N' p+ B7 B0 N$ }% x2 A
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( a3 L, R4 `$ m# n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
+ c6 ?! f) U. F, @; h2 `/ b& f" d8 I6 h. k% q6 v
以下是其他人的見解,
8 t" p: z/ e- ~/ k2 t, R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 m6 g7 v" A1 |5 N* ^
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
# a0 \) r$ M* |
& R; P& t: {5 Y[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
: H  S& x9 J( e6 g
3 ?- D! n9 u" q: I; O, N" p8 P! G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
% ~4 `+ z; Y/ ]( F, i5 d
9 a( W" |3 B# R% X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 V" v) R% H; F7 \6 }1 p: r7 Y5 d

+ z1 u# ~, C0 N0 p) g6 z2 T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
' ^4 R6 |, R8 c0 ]9 C0 C1 n# b7 K. u9 |8 S0 t+ k
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 M0 [: g1 ?+ E
.............信耶穌... ...

  h) C4 ^2 v. R' Q9 P$ }6 @- t$ ?" g
Regarding the resurrection....
3 d5 H: h, O, D7 _
( `6 R+ W! B' a' hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 V6 P; m2 a0 V$ C' p
# [; n, ]) Z5 m$ T6 _6 F
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.