Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% l; q& g6 [* k, F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ S" l4 U- R1 {5 [4 j( `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& ^& z4 ]! s. l, ]0 ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  [+ ~$ }/ A6 l9 k9 z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( x- f7 t" \, CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* _4 k3 ^3 N3 r* eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" u$ ~% e" {5 F1 ^; n$ H$ Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- K6 P0 w0 f# D2 Z3 ^$ h4 b" D4 m' q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' `6 e# s- V6 L3 L8 A  G0 ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, p1 m: }* P! t) o6 @2 f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* W& H" B6 w" X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' {- w# f& L! I4 o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 y* s$ o0 m0 Q3 O7 y% Y& L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ y0 B" B. ?7 e& G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 q% @: J' j# S2 g9 n* \& hWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 T$ d( j! t0 O5 _
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; k. {. A1 Y' I1 w: V. q

  O1 U3 O* x( H' k' H( O* ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' m& l9 b6 p/ I. B4 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' |) }2 x3 `, j  m+ u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# a" c- B- M8 t4 {- z( T! U9 C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# o) o$ I- j' L% @- [+ O6 P
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it's starting because we have sins......: e& P' Y7 G  d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 w/ r; k0 w# |( I% T  D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ q: u6 S  Z" G4 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: n/ C( j1 B) o7 R- l0 N# o* o+ A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ Q0 e# ~8 Q+ Z+ _" L  {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 U; }$ M9 Q9 ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," i9 L# ~, X5 T- }# \$ N8 t$ @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- N( q* C& {; p& e1 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  p2 a1 J9 l2 k& [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 y1 j+ Q8 |( V- H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; ?- J4 Y& c4 y1 Q' e. {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 t; N$ a! j1 I6 F1 f- i( i以下是其他人的見解,7 P  }+ D  V9 {9 Q1 S8 d3 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- y- {1 N- q1 k: ~2 O6 s! [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% s! Y7 W, J, z% I

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% Y  ^& K  W) Y# z( G

( E1 L) G( W' s( y0 R) w3 K" V1 L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. w1 O" m4 }' a7 h* X7 E

/ k  `3 |. H2 g/ _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 l0 [9 Y2 D! l+ z9 \2 L1 q.............信耶穌... ...

2 p8 l  K/ H, v: qRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# E9 Y! x7 J- k- e

; p8 ?- t) O. v' @# W8 V: HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.