Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# j- L3 p6 z" P6 c$ @我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 @$ R' s9 O4 b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 o4 ~# V% l6 p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* h6 I* C6 y' y, a

" D6 {1 U8 ^" k) z$ A% q4 z4 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ R& a" o2 K' x. a# \5 G1 J

% u$ ]& @  z9 \" X5 k  J6 C* P- e' zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# S' |" G6 r/ p. ]

: y) b8 l9 p# H4 h( r; C5 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ M9 R- d; y+ p- v/ S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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' P; v8 t6 S5 \3 D; Z/ W因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 G: W9 F( ?* Q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! L$ |( g  x6 f2 ]  C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
  a# b: p4 z- e正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# i5 y. ?: Z5 K- C- T$ `8 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& c; x0 F; e* [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# ~4 D1 ?1 W7 y7 p8 e5 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 `6 ]8 [( |3 B5 i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; F! }3 ^, G. m4 _( Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 a) H3 U, a: f# `4 G% ]it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 J/ @) e, H/ O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( v% Z) a4 W4 U' g# J8 q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' f2 u. x0 t' T7 ]: Z! L6 e/ R3 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  K. u3 F5 T0 J/ E( f/ e( q1 C  y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 s: S2 j5 d8 z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, F# G3 P! j  O2 ^7 G/ s
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' n4 s. ^( t+ @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 P) |: O$ b9 _; W& @
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( s" _/ O- O) V+ T! M" ?

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 Y& R2 Y2 ~0 ]+ @+ D以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, S: K2 \& _2 z) V2 ^- T

" h$ }  G. O) D" P" q3 K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.