Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) z; z( A7 ?; J我係一個連自己都吳信的人; d. l& p, [1 f) [1 g* S% x5 }% z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! b$ o+ _" g2 ~+ l! _5 U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ Z; M( Z! C. A2 r& B8 \8 }$ w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ y0 l* ?. i: z2 Q1 y  YNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 s4 e- M+ l  K) o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) {( I8 a: {  bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ `6 v6 Y' o$ X- M  F6 V" Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 i9 u$ K2 o$ X0 r7 J" D6 fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& e7 g9 ?; ]! Z# v; D' E我只不過微小的基督徒...................# p) e1 g  `8 |6 x8 ?* @
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ K+ U9 `! i0 _4 }/ X5 K$ [" f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 x! t8 c9 X/ f+ S! F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 x7 J) `4 |3 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& v7 \6 s' @+ h% u5 m6 d3 H, b/ M0 a; ~What a statement we have here?. T5 L; ^4 ?4 m/ x, b5 A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ ^) M; ?  m: z9 ]5 l# W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ [- j' A! L* Y4 m- u8 q1 e9 W

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 o& \  b, f$ n# V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 h# p3 m" s. ]6 _: L: G: c, J"不信也沒損失"
2 ~. D. B" d3 Z5 h' x: h6 qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& p0 B( Z+ L( z. C* Qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! c" h5 K* s: S6 F4 Z

, ?% t; w( [3 z2 c  {it's starting because we have sins......9 x0 \, ]4 @0 h1 V0 E. l4 ]/ J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 z8 W$ l/ ?* S5 ~7 d2 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 o" m8 t; m8 H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; U" ]( v1 [# S) L" O! t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 c9 O6 |; M* h8 a0 X3 ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' n1 E& ^; z4 u  f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 @# T) \, W" K; U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ H! V8 J" d+ G8 ?% X  P0 {

' q# @. B; T! J% z( O3 w# ~  K4 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 N1 R3 I1 z% p5 k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  ^  E, _4 W* Q2 [1 b! V5 G

, R2 n: e, j. Q9 E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! q5 E+ W# t. [& l6 {# h" V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% J/ `* V. h& I# a! n8 m美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; ~' n# w2 ?" T% e
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 R: {1 b! V3 t3 d" I) ^4 `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 n' _0 i% e3 R) Q, L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% X+ T3 ?+ B2 G) s2 d) d
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以下是其他人的見解,
  s5 t! x( t9 s9 D$ n看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" A7 i- J- B( B' ^0 h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% i# W4 U9 l' Q' Z& J# S+ u) d# k5 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ R* m- ?# c5 v! {  j% U! U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: ^  O/ `8 j, F& ~1 n9 E

7 Z  Z$ k, l' ^- Z% E5 W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: ^$ s* q+ c" n! W; h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....' b% R) x. R& s* n& D0 I
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- k8 `. b; n5 k( ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.