Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, \) c. q3 T' S0 S我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 z/ k6 B' e; }2 z2 z2 }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 f' |! c1 b% v, B4 w& v& Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 @5 v( a2 ^2 k: c& A- X9 w7 cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ m6 j6 A. r, M# [" n- E

6 V8 z8 s3 o" \8 l) E7 z5 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# O, b' g$ a; E& X) `  C' U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話. E3 A8 M/ L: _- i+ S
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 W' H2 f1 |; q) G. B: A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 S, G. z  N7 G6 k, n, \1 S% ]: F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' b( s0 \4 ^5 ]% `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! l- o% u% S$ ?- a( C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?- R; p  Y& c/ ?0 i+ L4 s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 |0 N: Z& R$ V. ^. sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 L' D1 ~& g/ v' h5 `& oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" ^; v, o# u9 x' l8 B

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 i3 C4 `$ M% o4 s

) J! O/ W4 v  W2 {. zit's starting because we have sins......6 p: r9 R- |! v" v* M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 j5 ?! S: @3 ?. P1 dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 s7 t$ o# ^. C; D4 ]: g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* M+ r5 Z9 {# q1 C0 B; r6 v- J+ z4 r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- Q4 ?, _! R* a$ a, T1 E9 B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  S7 b' N0 p) g- v8 p% b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! A; u+ }# K  k( V# }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# c4 r* h- j- O  V, Q. s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 Y. h+ D3 h3 v" o. W4 C
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) z8 c9 J" W. j; y. U0 S) Q
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! O) w- U  x) m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( v: _5 w$ s1 X6 d
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以下是其他人的見解,% F1 H! I2 f, h7 x7 U& K7 v" r. C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 P3 A3 V, {% p( J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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$ Z. Z6 [6 M4 f' F' i5 r% j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ [3 _& l% l3 ^; n7 Q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* p  G2 K2 l( \) y1 b! e; J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 R3 \; w4 P- L

. c8 q' C6 P0 w) {6 }  _) RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.