Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* q- l9 ]+ l: j: w9 g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! _: g$ a8 }' U- ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* v: y' |" K, t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ P6 c! K& K& w) ]呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. b9 @" A  {. H  Y0 ^5 {

* B& m0 k  j0 a; m) W: `7 X( `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) }. _/ q3 ~+ I$ ?( p  Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& t5 q/ K" E! J3 K$ m
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" n1 ]; D- h% h6 r, s8 jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# @# O9 w# G! y9 d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 N# ^$ S; D0 q8 G. L! a
真的!!這不是反話/ m' P8 {' ]. m# c% o! d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ o; |1 p) D) \/ G' c  x6 e: L0 ~# v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( L0 _6 D9 u* d; V5 @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) D, v" b4 P2 @6 j# q( E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 K9 @& k# q- \0 T  T: R  |2 vWhat a statement we have here?
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3 F( S: y0 e2 \" }( l( P2 MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + O1 H6 @( r0 ~( t& t# k2 L

; I' ?! Y. K$ H  RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  Q5 u' ~2 Z# x" K: l" ]/ l

( f- n/ q7 [" l. X  `) c+ WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 p2 j, q! T& V$ \* G
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" C' m1 A- n; u' m) m0 W4 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* q6 f8 g/ i( \1 v"不信也沒損失"! k; W+ K$ R1 s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 \2 q( {* y2 C  U# S: g4 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 I% F# s* V; Z  J, C, q
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  {: l( d9 e8 z) N" o! X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 v9 C) m* W4 `+ i; b/ e4 @& F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* ?) E; O, Q  y2 F; m, o( R) s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! P! r' r* ^6 l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: C' o) n: l' c$ L3 Q& f8 W6 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 J, s6 D$ A. p2 X& e0 c+ K; B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 `* K. k% l) \# g9 G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! |1 L: Q3 ^0 M" \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 e5 ^3 d3 w$ ], }4 D9 R3 _7 t5 K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) w, W$ Y( v+ C2 s& ^

& V, y+ k4 v  ~1 c; a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 H3 N/ k; l7 V0 z- c0 w# Q
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ D3 h2 e8 I# U5 f0 j) v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! @& L% i8 S# Y' J8 [/ ^

- ]" C) H9 s( L以下是其他人的見解,
5 B  p( {) B8 s% `( _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. ?& M0 e- B+ n# l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 T5 u. {. V; Q

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' O+ Z8 d, ]% z* B9 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! ~( O+ m! @! v, o, e% Z

  E: B3 F( G. r8 d$ V" L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  F: ~+ s" k7 S8 \1 Q3 N

" L+ U8 }9 O3 r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% R8 ^" u; E; t$ b
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.