Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ \+ t. V# o7 F* t, ?/ q* i/ W我係一個連自己都吳信的人" J0 m" V$ Z' e7 ?7 c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 P$ q: j! H$ B
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  t8 p5 l$ L6 k6 Q0 Z3 s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% R: i' `4 F# G% T) b- A1 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ ~1 q& W# `/ l% g! ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) W+ i* o1 r4 `- y/ w* [3 n; a1 }
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 Z5 Q* Q1 f+ S- K1 S/ x$ C

0 k5 M6 ?$ O9 \% C8 `9 ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 q* }! r, G. \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) g* s1 A- R" [2 J" \1 D* c  X
真的!!這不是反話+ y5 r- g1 c) |% }. G: t4 M7 B
因為我是情感比理性強的人, J% m  a5 F1 P+ w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 i+ m0 b- F* Z) P9 Z9 _8 p6 j
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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  ?' _6 A/ c  Q. F9 G( EWhat a statement we have here?: W$ c: Q" p% b( j" y/ u$ v; D/ I/ A! W

7 k0 K8 M7 K! Q# a4 G6 Q* W0 J+ MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ v( V) V8 M5 _. \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; X" j" l- O+ `# ]5 W% X1 [8 N  W+ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* K' d5 {3 p6 {: W' B# t' F6 LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. l2 E1 r! ^/ f7 C# dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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& R. Q- b" W) p4 i0 U8 s& mit's starting because we have sins......" R  h9 G9 o/ \- |3 O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 W0 P/ h: O0 P" N& w7 ^7 v. C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 Y! O/ |8 w3 R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! T0 ]" I/ W8 }  c
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ k6 o  Q- ]9 P) A  U' G$ b- o4 b! q) }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# ?% ~( Y: n$ K  u* L6 r8 F2 v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 k" T. R5 r( o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; B2 Z2 U% c( z8 {  r: Y0 G

% y8 d# p; Y* q2 }5 w( m3 Q) [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) n0 w) q) O/ e+ P$ u2 }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ k! j8 M  F0 y3 B4 a: u9 V8 T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; Z% X( d2 F! a0 X  u6 l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 Y; D& \" t9 F/ t0 F- ^+ L吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( C$ s8 |' j" Q4 F+ }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 X, w9 g: F, U0 C  F0 j

. Q* ]; g6 G* e2 o: C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. M4 ^9 t* M4 W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 F' f! p( q: T# A3 L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 a& u. l4 b2 C( ~! j, X  s3 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 M4 F% `4 Y0 u' I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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4 p9 }+ U1 F- yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. H0 i$ y6 R! j& c' R) vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.