Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 H3 N5 ?0 [( ]" I0 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! a4 n' U7 H, D! Y6 Q9 D! B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 n9 F3 y# U# @/ S- p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; i) F8 k2 y/ e3 s& y" I7 [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, P2 b% A1 Z" h/ XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 T9 {# |/ [7 B: H" n! z

; f' [& R3 e( M5 eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ a6 ~* W8 {) |. {, `0 Z* Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 b; X2 T0 J& v4 Z' B5 t+ S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 b. c$ H+ J) Q+ T
真的!!這不是反話
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0 d2 K5 R! l8 ]  E8 h+ W所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& H2 g: _- o% z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 }9 M2 I0 E- |& L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- B% |" ^% r5 \" f8 w4 g) D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. ]# q4 }; t% e% o7 u, b+ B2 G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( r. u1 p6 r4 d9 [What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : M) q1 Q/ o' o/ y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 R; d2 d# g5 q2 [7 w# q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": n" f* x, Z$ I# e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 F7 U6 v* K) a2 m* i$ fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ ]4 }9 R. U7 k0 O; v- ]/ _it's starting because we have sins......% f+ @) m2 O$ I5 @1 o1 t- I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   D2 [% q% g( E0 M* X0 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ Z& |3 e8 W& a6 i" i* j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 `/ c1 g& L# F7 F4 d9 B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( c9 |6 r1 B* n0 Y  @" U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# j2 r+ L" _6 W' A7 r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* z# c, _$ y  T; s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' k5 u4 Y* X) E; i

' }, P2 A  H3 ~+ Y  r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- ?4 g! t9 g0 e1 Y/ K, c, u4 s
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ d. O/ S4 V3 h# e; j; U: `5 x+ O

: w) r" k; B: K7 t6 M: A5 L4 D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 H1 Q$ R6 F( z- P. F1 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* D( z& j4 o* F) P3 c; s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( X; e5 w/ c6 N% o+ r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# h2 l2 J6 [6 h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: |) I, N. r; E, m- V/ s8 _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ L4 X. J9 D) v1 A9 j

' z9 z/ @' v7 C( G8 N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 E, d! q% [# _* t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. G, ^4 M/ t% E. X$ o6 |$ R2 N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 k; P7 w( l/ _$ K! J  A8 ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.