Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 [, v! D$ @2 \& z7 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ [3 |* `: Q9 U: P( z( Y" O/ ?. Z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ `4 g/ u6 D8 \3 J8 d% ^* W# s

! J7 _+ {  b9 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 V7 Y* t: F  A  n
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- N; |* K% L4 s4 b1 |" W2 ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: P5 R$ r( S! `2 g- Y, s我只不過微小的基督徒...................; i* w5 u9 b9 f2 t. e, f; c: @9 q
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& A3 p- o1 ~9 ]" k7 Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. v, ?/ k8 J6 g* h* y6 q& r$ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 W2 P- M+ ^1 ~  ^( Y- o2 J. FWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; M1 Q7 \: X9 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 K. E- u; Y- N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 @5 O% l8 M! g  X5 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& J% u7 c" P% W+ P, A% \' kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ O5 ~" I6 i- z8 Y/ k- N$ e# E
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! d' a+ o+ K5 r. l! R: t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 t( Q7 I/ I* S+ j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ Z1 {4 H$ r7 [0 K6 h  G  P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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6 K, M' D1 c# L0 Q5 g& l7 k! Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( K3 ^* Q# ^% Z- U2 h, W7 V, R以下是其他人的見解,
+ n6 J7 p: N( j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 Y- B1 j: e% D9 p' O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 |% A& h) L: m) N+ [% ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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& R' m+ Z+ m! jRegarding the resurrection....6 T1 ?& v: u/ F. n1 ^- }
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.