Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ X- f9 f* c9 y; i, g
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 Z: ?; ?* Q1 Q5 q+ ~% k" ]6 R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 Y# _" d6 ~8 y' l5 a4 ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) o" z1 N, q) z* kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- K. v  c) ]6 k5 t% L

# X2 K# t7 R- Y& v, gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 t# L1 {9 c* d. p1 |5 Y- z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 b$ V) w" m' k' ~! ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- V# s2 n) X& F2 o
真的!!這不是反話* u6 o& l9 y) Y. {5 e' \
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ i  Z5 x# `, W' f( e
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( t1 z( P; M. @0 E, Y+ G! T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: J5 g$ X5 M6 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: I  a: q( O# N" s, c+ c/ _8 tWhat a statement we have here?: g. n+ l0 Q! G8 V1 c' X! e: b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # l" W. U7 ]+ i5 K  X  u

& J2 D( a2 t6 P- V% iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; h. U! m4 G$ ]. `0 h
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  ~* T7 C: _; x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' |  S$ H* b! L"不信也沒損失"
  `/ o5 b7 }* O0 y% @8 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 `  h' U/ s/ E$ j* y+ P- j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, n5 B' y& j: M) x% ~8 xit's starting because we have sins......
4 g* |3 J3 k9 d( I- ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 k+ x' N5 c+ S" X4 B) |. a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 m- y, O7 h1 i+ N; a1 P. H$ H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% A5 Q& [4 k' Y7 E- E0 `# A- X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 o+ g  q$ T$ O9 f! N! i8 t1 J; l0 v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 g& j. M- f  {+ k- |, e0 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% j7 D- b, J1 ]2 u$ Z: v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( g  T: d" ^& ?- `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 t5 G6 T! v. a" m6 ?  x1 j, c& ^
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; g% H1 X3 \- v5 ^信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' J* T5 R8 j4 b" J以下是其他人的見解,9 I/ H5 b! p( n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. K0 b, w5 _3 r, u5 E3 }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ i2 w; N# q3 Z0 D5 H
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ _) |& f- a1 B: U- q
.............信耶穌... ...

2 g7 M# l2 a, ?Regarding the resurrection....
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6 R8 Z  _; Q2 A# s8 ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: Z0 p! o" o$ W& ^% V/ ^2 D9 LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.