Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ E1 |+ D. f* D7 y: |/ R6 J我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 O, [( M1 A, {' T  b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' f4 ^' e, M# H' p/ S道理我知道好多只係做吳到) J/ d% y8 N4 z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' |/ N% t6 L: E9 y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 j0 G' f8 @# ~+ M4 x, F' a+ A

" P3 S( z+ A% y; imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... u6 f# V2 a4 C' V( {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! @, i: n$ M8 }+ ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" O, B3 {& V% T- R7 m* d7 W3 G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 [8 a* r9 Z% l0 \, m  H' K
真的!!這不是反話2 A0 b4 M6 M" E  F
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 N  J" `1 A1 D, `% H2 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& c' n: Q( r. d8 F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' \0 H2 L4 H$ x9 n5 G

' z% r: F) `! h2 S6 H- u! TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 h7 W  E* r+ A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 x+ B; }/ u' r4 ^" S5 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"3 e& h" e! `6 _! S3 z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 U: l$ Z2 M, S: f" h1 I! q9 T/ a+ A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; s5 U" V0 q' l8 K1 ?, V) W  z

: g: |* |3 L  h+ [  I2 v6 Lit's starting because we have sins......; k- \; X3 q& g' Y. U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; [" I/ M9 k& c8 a* w% ~. q. {8 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 {! d5 l8 ^! p# w* _& t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, ?4 h6 S  Z% v' P6 {6 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 U* }" y4 O. J6 i7 J4 O. m9 }
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 g, u! ~+ S: K6 Z, ^3 v" r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! H) S3 ~( Y9 n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, Q2 {: U% u( c/ w" L3 s# p

) M) Y# n& {5 B4 ^/ f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: i5 Z7 G: o( U6 u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ \0 h* M- Z9 v- }+ x- w2 z- B- R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ X! `* n4 Y. C: ]" g
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. ~5 @; t5 j* X% Z( ?! k; _  Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,1 p- f: X+ `9 F4 Z+ s7 i4 K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! a* D; V2 E& O/ D$ J7 Y3 a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm! g2 e1 M- N. _! V& {
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' e. @& U- g& B. p9 ~1 u

; a5 @5 H0 b" C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 x9 k! T' y2 T( n: f$ {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ L# E4 o0 q! L: Q

2 q% R  w5 P/ s( b# P& k8 p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& A+ i: y$ K# E- o( r! R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 c$ V4 x$ _% g- }# J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.