Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 k8 a, d3 r+ Z0 {: L5 c6 X3 ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人  C, M& m* A: j) r6 P9 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; |! i! r& m  u$ N5 I道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; X9 p. G8 }/ o( j: mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 j4 L  K: c% |. U# W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) i/ h8 I! E2 z( f7 h- O) k

& j; C* e( W5 i& B7 I: Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ n, E2 O% Y& {" G$ m' n% n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話+ Y( p* Q* [4 \$ a
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 I! X' Z% g% A- j1 S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# M& S9 d( X: D' I2 U! C5 _$ t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: B3 s) [, g1 ?3 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! w, U5 l# w) N( f0 ?

8 v1 b6 I2 ?- |+ wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   i) x% q4 G. D: s

0 Y+ }2 Z$ ~4 f* M8 [% G5 BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% P# r5 T# e4 b& |; F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" ~- `1 H/ ]3 k0 B$ t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" P8 P( P# }2 p1 E. N* lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( C  o8 ]' j- v: M8 _  Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., X' K+ t6 I0 J$ l

- m( g% T! a- F& S0 l" t1 F! Oit's starting because we have sins......
1 D$ o. F/ C3 k4 S& d: p( `6 Y: U7 usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ]4 ]8 j% m2 e/ o7 Z9 ]# _& h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 C' V! N  q* @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 R4 h1 Z# |. x& [/ H- j5 h用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ _8 I/ s, R( b4 b# W- v% X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 i# P& \6 b. {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  g; @  t5 B" I# a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 }) [! e6 p8 ]  j) O7 f* O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" F6 a# a4 |9 N: K( F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- M/ x1 V* a. o7 E+ c$ c7 K, m5 p- N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 Y4 Q+ F$ M, B) W7 H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' @: }. C+ {+ S7 E/ h4 T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# m3 }; D- s4 e; k$ P3 d

' W! M) n4 ~% k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' E& E; D9 I5 N, O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 E1 V$ `" N" m8 }, s  H. h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' ~" N& {' }( b7 u# J" X

) f7 O5 i5 @. d以下是其他人的見解,1 D' j* [# k! H/ Y7 U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" U* \$ R7 ]2 ?- d2 [. I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' I, \7 u- K/ K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ o) {% q0 c: |9 X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) p/ }7 a2 f' r8 o0 Q

; I  \/ a6 V  G7 R' b6 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! w) r0 c7 U" f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 I- E! N5 M; t9 g' g* c8 z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 J$ H! a4 c' N! _  t, B

9 D: o' V  X7 M( @  a* q3 V" J- hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# A+ S& t8 i. V  x, a, g+ BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.