Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( C3 Z4 Q; u9 s& w" o2 ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 x1 _' J; y1 q' V' Q0 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 k3 S* n; [6 g8 N. _道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 \, y, ~; d7 T! O4 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! Y3 t: e+ R: f8 iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 |, Z) @1 j$ H1 U( ]5 o% n% _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  r* W: U9 k: R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." @; j8 ?: O' T. g2 [1 D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ V( r% _3 Z. @( T( V& D( F' e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 I' }0 w% |5 u. j6 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ C4 Y- w1 f  |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 _& p- M. {9 U. e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... z: ]5 {$ u5 J, y7 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 I3 `: B3 T, K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ s- R! r9 h1 j3 X9 w

4 V) ?. o5 t) h) E' y( dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , _) B5 {  G# W7 N! r* k6 o+ O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% f+ p$ Y0 z- d# tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 F0 U: g) W& M/ L: J5 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, ~! V1 `6 j+ }- M/ X2 y"不信也沒損失"
! J; J- h& m& w1 NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." g  m% e, z& ~# Y7 p# K8 B* k& k* J3 a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 }) T& V1 b! G0 O: R& H" ^0 n

) I9 w# p1 U, o9 O' S5 P; `4 o- F- sit's starting because we have sins......" F4 `) n0 w0 J/ Z: s2 @9 P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % w( P' S: ?- d2 s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 y1 b0 a4 u& _) z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 Q) r/ f( M+ }. C7 J+ w% Y: _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ x, N, s9 l! C' _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- U1 b7 f6 m- j( U, K' n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- z, S# a0 d0 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: `* {0 d- M, ?4 C/ X

) T: L  t& _' J0 H* |2 D+ p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 P4 t+ V5 O1 g- J1 p7 J4 g; O/ J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 Q! Q* K( @& r. K* u

2 v# a  F$ Q, Z8 r7 x9 z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 Y$ v6 L9 F- o, D$ M$ ]" S: ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 N$ e: a! U, a6 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 P! t* o9 C/ _: S7 t3 H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) z) `0 y" n# M, k/ b0 F
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以下是其他人的見解,9 i/ D& n0 b* |" v& H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 Y0 Z" }- w! g6 z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 v/ n* p) e' u/ Y& F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: {/ p4 W, P) f3 d" m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; R. E: D0 V2 G, G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 h  s, _6 w" J$ C1 `  N. v  y* K
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 \1 b% r0 b" s' y" d* |. X* }9 M

% ?3 l1 d9 ]3 H$ \" f, Z5 J8 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) q9 ]1 B" r* |. \+ ?2 K/ SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.