Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) D7 n8 P$ T7 C4 w, |( E; }我係一個連自己都吳信的人, x3 D) m0 [- P  j9 H) E' ?" Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& i* Z. S5 G/ I" X, l3 i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ C3 Z; C" d  ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 o, T& Q% ^1 n- I# |4 h# \, S+ e9 lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 c# ~3 U( R! Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  @6 v$ E/ l4 q# D/ \! \0 U  Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ y  o9 l% Z1 f$ ?; _; s+ b! d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 n& I- A9 d% \) Q1 S我只不過微小的基督徒..................., g2 j) y) r' {, ]/ i  F( M
真的!!這不是反話
" C7 L2 s7 m/ X因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, |$ b; z1 ^! j- S- Z$ |, T* S( A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 M4 S, U. V1 P9 D0 V2 R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
$ a3 q& w2 d0 Q- C) z8 J正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 B+ L; @0 N1 O! x: n: u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 s/ _/ c4 S. J. R. tWhat a statement we have here?. s  {4 {: s; B6 e& i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ R$ Z5 `. o) N1 `+ a5 @
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* U) r% |6 S- @% W4 {/ s) h3 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* }' V, t3 a/ T+ r$ O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 O5 Z( P! y+ ~3 r2 y$ O( ?) m. Y"不信也沒損失"! y1 a# x3 D  Y; l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 Y# ~4 _/ H# e9 j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ r! o7 n4 G5 X" `

: v5 ]. V5 X/ U2 Qit's starting because we have sins......7 p7 p! a' {* `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 ]' l- U* K7 y, i
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 @! h0 F: B5 c/ t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," @& M" [: }8 k/ f. r) k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 _6 |; O( J4 K* b7 b' T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# ^/ r& Y2 w8 ?( D% p3 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. I. V4 U9 u" h1 m9 d3 r! Z" I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 @8 x2 |) L: c6 f

  G* E0 x1 `! z* E/ N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 I  i9 u% k% ?" C2 v7 g* w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' F; ^- Y8 C8 R% c8 |, p+ X
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 x/ @8 r9 \/ k6 s

/ \: D- U% e( v( t7 \8 l% D* p0 l& J" {宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 E. q! |; Y# g2 \- }  D  i7 e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: C* i8 E9 j  u& W# ]; b9 {, D" Y* d

& ^8 k2 j+ Y0 ?0 I2 p以下是其他人的見解,) A& m2 j4 `5 t# k' a$ l# f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# W2 i3 ?- I$ F) I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm8 B9 l3 r  K: z6 `) H/ A6 K9 C

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 T8 ?  p; k/ K. L: l" M5 @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' I' I5 }" ?) w/ A0 v  M; }1 G7 _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 e$ P6 a- w3 q0 N) F0 V9 s同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. v9 Q* l8 A+ W  A, _) U.............信耶穌... ...

' `) s/ _) e+ a, D$ S. k7 ?8 u8 GRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! d' p  Z& B7 X" p- p3 @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.