Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ |* ~( w/ z+ k( w9 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* J" [& N5 \" v6 s又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! Q% G1 v3 c: n4 S4 N0 u0 M
道理我知道好多只係做吳到. P% n4 c/ E1 ]& e0 m5 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ U. z4 y0 u1 J: `# D7 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! h0 n: j8 U" r8 a. s: l

3 q% t4 I  Y  m# Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 e9 o& s8 i7 p# C1 A0 |4 K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) |3 w7 p8 p: c& |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ O6 D1 ]# F4 B5 V$ B/ {8 \4 \/ ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, x0 i5 s# X' L0 V2 T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 @! J0 }, I5 ~$ ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 f; g0 l# A& G: `$ _4 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. j1 w3 @4 r# P1 S  _What a statement we have here?+ q2 t/ T$ u3 W
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& h  t4 G, [1 R. d. CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., H' ?9 _  `; C3 X

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  [: g  M2 d: j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 z9 ?3 e* v. [: T4 L- c& wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) u# n, w5 L/ b, K6 O+ }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 p! T5 q. p8 ~* @( h
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ d7 z: }$ L- O4 p  n6 ^2 P9 m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# K( p" ]$ d& Z- k2 U$ Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' n% u% x; ^! S, Q1 C7 I, w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, j' E+ [6 G- `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, M1 \8 S1 P5 u( I2 K4 u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! q) T  l1 e1 y, v8 ]

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 F5 [; l- U8 f. U: D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 z8 f9 B: s* q  }' x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: U% N; Z2 R7 D. E) O1 m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  j) ^! p1 B# D( d3 A" ~' G

) M$ q2 T) _5 o; I& U+ j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ A! S8 A0 ^/ a. P

7 ?7 W1 E5 L! o* @) L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 s4 b' ]$ F) H; O# h) F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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) I- Q& _0 [7 q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 G) |* G; c2 _  `$ ~
.............信耶穌... ...

2 L9 g5 N0 `" B$ @" vRegarding the resurrection....
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; @: P- F9 J3 M4 Y5 a* M( SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 e' W! J+ R. z; \
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.