Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ @4 @, w2 p( ?5 l我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 M) x! K7 b& d# e  @& l7 l$ a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) ]4 X9 p) I8 s7 s4 X: E, O4 `道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! e! ]2 K, X; i+ R1 D9 r/ x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 k; l9 g3 {+ I+ O7 L( `+ \+ LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 a6 L: Y% q! i' Z- {2 Z: O

4 f/ ?/ T7 ~2 r9 v" W. n$ Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( {1 S# {8 w: |2 Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 r: a* O/ \6 T" W( O6 x/ j' v5 echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  W5 {9 A$ d$ |8 ^* J我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  X5 k$ w7 k& n- O6 D. ~0 h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 c2 }$ |" r1 B$ L5 Y, G8 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 v* F+ c2 o# x3 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 E+ {* b/ N$ M1 ~6 K# k
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; B! _0 D& o. m# @

. }: a5 v. l! JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" e& R7 ^: }3 c/ r: O5 A* q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' s" H" H6 W4 w% k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 S3 k4 Y9 s; @3 W3 R3 y* _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! N3 \0 O# v0 p, ^

2 ^. ?+ L5 W& V0 H% k  l6 S8 Pit's starting because we have sins......
  f. J0 s: b* X) w9 psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! T* t, B* z4 D2 Q- r5 K) {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. @# B  G- g% [* z0 {" Z- t  Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' w) {( h! d' e3 G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ i' J8 C2 _5 [+ B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* R' I' G) A. [  t2 k$ ]- ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( B; S5 Z1 Q  H' }$ o5 \1 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! \& }1 f" r7 F8 n! G& D. e+ N
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. d' {( G$ B# u% p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 ], N. w( z8 T* g

' g2 m3 F. N( [6 Z. P0 q  O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 N9 z; H/ p9 N5 j2 i! ]  h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" x$ X  b+ H) a: f% V( x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  U( g8 y1 Z+ F4 L, N

: n& S' d  V" f  b2 A! R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 S. {) a# n8 c5 y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( a; Q2 N  J6 T# O; h" [

5 ]1 A* [* h. D( d# h* P2 U* ?以下是其他人的見解,
- @+ k" G6 ^  s3 K" e9 E, g$ G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# x, q- l4 L% H

6 o  n) A% P2 z- O# z  `! E6 n: A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' M5 n9 L2 d, E  R! E  I.............信耶穌... ...

4 k$ r1 Q* H' U5 F0 J1 hRegarding the resurrection....) L7 G" Z7 Y6 h3 v- X. m
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.