Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 w/ |( n1 _$ A1 K  `3 S+ w我係一個連自己都吳信的人( L8 q( R6 n. j  m% b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" Q. w8 \2 \, N5 _2 Y% E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' ^# |  q( J' g% {5 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& Q" ^  ~- E( G0 P% D8 J* W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! V; W) ]$ f, L

. _; {/ c3 Z% C& N( m6 Vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 [: o) Y1 F- _; c2 a+ W
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! b0 z9 E6 P; N5 v5 Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" Q6 S1 a% L1 J% ?* @& i我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 B* s1 u3 U) @# a: b所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 e1 j5 D8 ]! D* F# N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 W( H2 w2 s% R. l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 P! X" l# j7 Y$ z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 y: A% ?% R' V: E# u, L! ]8 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ _2 {+ P6 T- @- oWhat a statement we have here?6 v: h( V4 r* S) I4 @

* ~/ F) j8 ^% Q' z5 u6 w. LJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 f8 s- n9 d, `8 [3 N0 t

' t; h$ S0 c- y; u! CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ c6 N6 C2 Y2 s: w

) ^+ I8 s4 C+ F% O% ^% NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' m0 f/ V8 _! q2 n  P: @
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 D6 @4 {% a7 j: K7 ]( S建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* p$ B, ~" O9 I' k/ }1 u2 T4 }* rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) p; n+ i/ F! B% p; |: b3 i" w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ Z$ U2 _4 i& s$ d6 B, l

; K8 X; m: J" q3 dit's starting because we have sins......
% Q6 t  D- N6 F; `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * _; \) ?2 h5 e  T" G4 {* E- j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 |! O. G3 \" W) n1 R' _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 M. s, L4 b2 ^) h
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, C# \/ t4 v; L+ G# E6 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 P, ]3 Z' i  z2 s( O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' Y0 g, n/ I& S- u- @5 e# k+ I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 y0 ?5 V9 E* Q" F6 [' \% a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; a. Z6 U7 [% M# v( E3 l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 r7 o) q- w$ p# a' j
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  ~* ^) v% Y& Y6 N' M

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 V( @9 S+ Z$ Y/ u# |4 d; {3 }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' V! z4 t* F0 S0 I2 A! z以下是其他人的見解,  f2 V) _' X: h2 a( \7 y3 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 }/ ~9 e  G2 |& d) ~" Y  Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: G7 k, i3 R. Q5 \$ w: m$ S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 ]4 M8 x5 X1 l& D$ ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ V- b; s8 v) V9 s4 a1 M.............信耶穌... ...

0 j6 \3 n; {; @5 I; GRegarding the resurrection...." I; i& p9 r! x. K3 ]3 _8 M) g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* [; o, ^  e. c9 E& `$ U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.