Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ Q! L7 p  x" W: Z& S! Y1 q  d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) ?' U! L1 t6 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 [* k  e7 a# s1 L) {( N

. y1 v' E' ~' H/ w! [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 t  l, u+ X# w3 `* Z3 Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 z/ d) U% m# e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 E: |# p/ a/ w4 U% ?2 ?$ b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' D8 H. B; K/ o& g4 i" |% `
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( T, }: t) Q! f2 c" U8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 n" S; {+ h0 e" fWhat a statement we have here?+ n0 O' T7 m  k# q+ I) g' B
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % o! v, b! ], f  ^4 F$ p/ [
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) R6 N0 ^6 h( @* K' x' u) L8 s- w, g1 ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: t- [, o2 a+ f2 i$ [. j4 V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 k. w. j" k" r+ p, b5 A- F"不信也沒損失"( }% U9 y- W) z3 K& y! e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 i& H+ u$ Y( t9 F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......" a% W5 L- ?2 M/ l" r) ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . @* d, L3 V) S( e5 e2 _! K2 U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ A/ D6 Z( V% J" F( s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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! _3 V, ]+ s# G3 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ I8 ], ?4 J9 d- X, I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' d! O6 R! I' H& L8 l3 W; ]) {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* {; [1 l0 \# d9 j2 [0 P; D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( W9 @9 N$ p. A* f$ H% b6 V" z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 @5 _* g0 R9 S) T! K/ T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 @$ ?: F" ~8 }% k1 x4 L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 P1 n$ Y" n' y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" Q4 e; I4 |! R4 F( }$ C# v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 l2 S" {8 V) S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., U  U3 _; `' b# M

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5 t: S8 S$ H3 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.