Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# k# q' v) c4 O7 D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 a- Z& V! e9 X' }% q) Y# V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 A* X! v- s/ b5 \$ D& i) }: S道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 i' C8 e. @4 K8 L4 r: o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 s) j+ o; J+ d* _7 D7 C, |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* x, F& X/ _. C& O) Y* U  H8 b' s  r

0 _8 n: ?5 m( D: w  K. s+ P) q3 E' R+ R7 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; O/ q7 A# f4 f, ?* Q: t3 e# Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# k6 C% ^' g8 x5 J$ e# X6 K7 a  M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( o% C% j/ i1 x( B+ Z0 x3 O+ \. Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; O- [1 L* f0 j; r# S. \& N* t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 L$ p1 M& |- E$ Z& S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 z. ~, ]5 J% |, W& j% \- j: S" X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% d" E- R3 Z3 \5 Y4 ^5 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" s, z' `/ F# g& M4 A0 ^" TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ n; |1 H& ^8 ]: x# b+ t* C" yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 ?' E5 n+ x' }0 X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 e+ y3 \) A$ _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 I" P+ x5 A% t; F- ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 h! o- l6 y1 {5 i  D
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it's starting because we have sins......  Q3 M$ b! I% Q2 m. n' o# |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& U  k/ R7 d8 r1 q+ ~  o) [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 U" n9 B4 ~# ^$ V3 W3 d" b3 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, x6 M5 X2 H" l8 k* b" C5 n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 }& ^7 H, B. _# u. v4 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* a8 G- o# k" U3 K" b. z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' G/ h! \+ Q# v0 Z  i- j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( }: C" _$ g* f" O& h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 P& L- v2 `. D) f3 N1 H5 W$ k
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 W) F; ^9 Q! d5 ^8 X宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 A% e$ [# {, Z/ p6 ]; a, v吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, D6 N1 U% z: j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ ]8 u8 \- s. O
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以下是其他人的見解,  d  _* ?( @6 a2 i% u, K% r3 U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; W+ D( O5 K2 w" M5 w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 D5 M5 e& N4 a1 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 L) J3 l" N9 X) J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 c- ]! K) i1 M7 o$ \' P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.