Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 u2 @% c1 K% ~( _" d+ O2 o+ v3 o5 A道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 q  a) u6 d( K2 U1 q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' f& b6 U8 q7 w7 f$ V+ f7 `2 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 U3 ~; w, f; j6 ?1 {/ o3 j

  l5 M7 a) B% cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- w5 X( i0 S" |+ T7 W. {$ E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& Q! \$ D: F. {& P

4 {! y/ i  x3 w% ^& |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# s+ i0 V& e) hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, `0 n1 p* _0 F7 ]+ E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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4 M* Q. C& e3 v1 s因為我是情感比理性強的人- {* H( }! y6 |) ~- @" M3 G0 \& h
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. u" e1 s4 q. M5 ?1 j0 }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ Y2 B& j. D) A/ e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ `9 u; }! a  V" O1 ?$ S" n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 @, N* k7 S7 }/ Q/ \What a statement we have here?! |7 @& W: V' E; i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' U' K' B; A3 U! ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 E  r2 E8 K- o6 e1 \# u& h1 J1 U

9 J8 ]( ?% M! H1 p7 l; T  kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"  T- g! @$ z. P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." y1 p6 o0 @8 T# K7 o8 l% ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; `+ ]  K- G: F" I+ t; pit's starting because we have sins......* ^! r* L8 y  a9 M+ _4 E7 K0 X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; e- w+ S7 }. h  i" @( D! y  aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, }$ Y$ Q7 ~- v, t+ f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 K% ^; \" f1 A  d. K9 m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 {. S" _+ Z( O- Z2 a& |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( V( t9 Q8 m1 J0 @/ n- b; {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 r# g& U8 V; c8 b  e6 i4 X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ j) L; _1 J$ L7 U7 I& O& U6 G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 |4 S- e: c4 _; [: f9 i" w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 ~" n( u" p% C. n) s! k, T

1 f( s4 w2 k8 X. g( n; G+ Z& U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ L( T: Z% X' ~+ T* q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; W4 f" [' {) O0 ^# O( f- G( o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! q' d! s6 ]2 t# Z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 e# j. p6 I, z1 E( s3 M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 ]0 c/ i6 h: t# E7 O  S& O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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# p: x  c8 H/ G* s! |- |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." g! D6 O% o6 w

0 Z+ q/ c. i+ z" k( ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.