Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) l  s& ~) ~4 b! F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( S( S8 B/ j: @' s* z. g. n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ W+ g: k" U9 U6 y/ U: M道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 n+ r3 ]2 \1 l+ A, Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, U& C7 _, @  n, g1 N2 i

' w2 O- J6 l5 k. s3 z; mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: s+ _/ o1 ?$ `: ^8 I3 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( R1 _4 z. M" n: H8 ^( }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' U( P3 ?( @# \/ e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  D& X  Y, }) {+ U+ ^3 H真的!!這不是反話
# x+ |  o8 k2 G9 |! [- \4 U5 s# C  B因為我是情感比理性強的人3 K6 M5 ?3 ~5 @, z  D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 f! T0 p/ L) r( R+ O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# v. B9 S  j7 R$ u9 G' h+ [: j% D8 }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 T' J% i0 N* X7 v' a, H6 P$ z- |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% y* C7 x9 i9 z. w8 S

8 m/ G. D: O$ Z! |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( S5 r+ M5 E* E& Q' b2 _; z

" ~; b5 z+ K5 KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: |% x8 O1 l1 ^# ~$ i' ~' b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- o, t) f4 k. E2 a"不信也沒損失"1 ?* M9 q3 Q" v% W) _& Q8 p; G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# v3 Q0 H4 ]: ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; _! t) k1 o3 X1 i  P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  {6 \* ]! F; }- gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 \2 P4 ~8 ]' m& E" k6 M& ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 ~: V  V4 Z' w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: h% w5 ^) D: g7 [) ^2 p. I9 w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 ^2 e& }* K. G. v8 c+ ^' C; ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  {' {! m4 g. Y8 O5 v: K# g' H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 u, E3 c4 c% X& j

/ _& _# W( _$ P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ ~  Z/ ]4 E0 T# A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# b/ N, i; ~) j3 N4 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: n1 l6 S( o" q  K! N: u' Z5 Q- c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 t. P) [& @: P+ ?+ @) m- e2 q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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) Y) |8 |% c1 W) j5 U6 u以下是其他人的見解,# a# Q# w9 t1 x) w) O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. y( z8 B& I7 T
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" ~6 f" n5 M; q8 y, }

$ w0 a# y. N4 N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' j  F8 l. e( g: `. p
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 v/ [, x3 Z! X, NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) X* f3 A" b* a2 U7 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.