Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, f) J" J) b4 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; G3 H% O8 k2 i' K& Y+ P( ?5 N7 O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 O( c& Z8 W! |6 v1 |) W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 Y1 @; ]* m# S  r+ k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: ?# x9 B/ ^5 n2 ^. ~9 l& ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, {" C% y$ x3 s* K, @: ~" m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- C9 |' V2 ]& g" r/ N$ Q# y. {0 \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ B) f7 m, K% Z8 Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 H5 c+ C, G$ \9 \* k' X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 x1 v3 m. O% c6 t
真的!!這不是反話7 @1 o1 i' @8 |
因為我是情感比理性強的人& v5 [6 k9 o5 @' ~( V/ C6 Z4 ~3 v
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* s2 W! t* O7 |2 a2 P9 Y, K& ~- t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! w& G4 ?# z& N0 }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 c. Z2 m- S" K, T0 ]. P/ B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 ^* c7 u% n; s1 D$ ]! x  w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: U, X( X: z& y1 P" tWhat a statement we have here?3 @- `3 V0 O8 ]9 _' k0 R4 S4 X
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " p: q' P( i$ y7 d, B) I/ N- L+ ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 i9 n9 V0 ]- y, F* }. ~
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% |0 J! w- P; T# n- r% E, G1 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 D& q# K  n( k* E( E"不信也沒損失"
4 }, _$ G( _0 Z; C0 T+ y% ~2 xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 f& Z1 T6 p2 s, l( l. u6 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 j. ~7 i# K) T8 _1 \. F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ s. y4 l6 O$ u: p0 i& L- f5 n% j8 }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* d3 q2 G0 O1 k& t% j3 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" y5 \& w) Q% v8 |$ Q. X" g: T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 K: N* L3 \: T* l5 h2 w# A" C1 U0 ~

. r# P! R$ G4 ^7 U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 J* G6 E& C( L7 x" g  t1 n" x) j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( V" H$ U9 s, j( ?4 k+ |# ]  @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' t7 [" C+ `: P" y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 [' H# b0 L0 _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: x5 F' Z, C6 R. G9 R7 z# x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  v$ {! B# O" d' j$ ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ w2 j8 E8 [! h: D+ [7 ^
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, A% N+ s6 X4 F; C& u( J' @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 A  y, f8 s1 Z5 S) N0 `6 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) V  s/ Q! o& L4 Y2 K4 r; m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& s3 h1 w2 y7 y- d1 X  {& q, e
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.