Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 W9 z# l) Q+ x+ z) K, P0 ^* R# e我係一個連自己都吳信的人) Y- P- [5 j! m* [* E0 U2 g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. O: k% h4 {3 O& l* C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, ~) [  t! H3 ^; {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' V/ u# Z# {* INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, u2 D( T1 z- L0 q, ~, |; H* L" ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 M, W! H& h+ ]6 ?# w" R/ Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ f3 c: X& J* H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 G6 O0 u/ J  s) |/ |8 N7 I" ^
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& {& A5 B6 B/ w
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 W& O8 j6 U# w; B* Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 t; G2 y% O7 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" P6 f( v; z) Q9 ~6 i% A% F; r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ d, w3 ?4 ^' o9 D+ C6 j) `7 g, c+ L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ o. h8 _' m7 n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......9 ^# B3 z6 E) j7 V7 l9 }! I) z8 j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 T! c9 P" T+ y3 O  S4 G) n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 M6 r' _3 v8 Z3 G9 Y3 G  Y+ _' J只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; X  H& {7 x& k7 @+ X7 a" d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% {2 a# L" n, }3 N! j2 U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( J) x( ^7 K5 U8 S1 H4 H0 m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ K/ c3 ?. R. S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. U( K) h( o. Y3 ^+ g
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" f( \. m0 R( Q9 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! Y- c3 o5 ]! J& i2 ?1 _' \
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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3 R* O9 k- ^- e( d' J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 b0 {# E- z0 y! N' a) ~' \

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ N. J0 C- z  w4 K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- x% W$ z5 H+ _$ x# w
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' h- w9 O7 U( J: _6 Z$ S7 E$ h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ V! s1 K( R/ X; l: u
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. u; j# }+ _4 M

5 y: @7 b7 F+ T& t- ]# O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- F6 ~3 \. w8 @  Q! {0 l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 H, E, z' \7 Z$ e
.............信耶穌... ...

0 h. ^, f% P: [" G) W0 P$ cRegarding the resurrection..... h2 X+ Y0 W  s1 p4 s( d+ V. i
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- G8 p, Y$ E; b5 r* L6 |; G- `- M0 O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.