Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, \9 R% x% z. _1 W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 u7 x: ?8 v/ W! z+ P3 G' I& u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- I. w! Q5 m4 u% P/ [" h* O, [% Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 U0 y( c( w/ J( b) _" f( T% S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- }$ e4 W3 s6 a- u( ~8 gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 D; H6 y& }8 z- [0 {% gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., ]/ l4 K: z9 ?! V: |$ G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' a, C* D  `$ l! V8 y# |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" o$ T; w; e% |2 `9 D( R& @/ H我只不過微小的基督徒...................* v/ q! c- s/ \* L" s% E' y
真的!!這不是反話( p" a8 P! p6 o! r  A4 Z: L( S9 d2 `
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ B- v1 T6 _9 L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, }! s5 r" a  n+ n4 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ q% a* e4 y$ u% o& L; iWhat a statement we have here?* D& e9 \/ ~2 r5 A/ _
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) T" g, m0 c9 y! c' }
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 r. b- ?( i$ F4 m0 Q: w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' q1 P0 n1 T2 H0 Q

$ O3 j/ U9 j1 Y' J/ k5 Iit's starting because we have sins......
1 b9 Z: O1 D! j; \satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " K: w$ {7 g$ b. p. B! y0 A' m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 U4 c& q2 g* q9 m$ [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& O3 z  s3 U" A6 |$ J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 r2 J' u! Y) G5 ?* J; _/ N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 F; |+ z* P/ a1 j+ C0 e) }% o5 \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! F! m9 F/ P. r  s: Q+ y0 `* {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 K, Z+ ]! c6 U8 W/ c
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 e0 M' X1 B+ i* p. ?: A! t2 m, ~) |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ P& b9 I# V8 ~) e+ g# F
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 L3 F2 Y. V  y  e% u" n( }% q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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8 s$ S5 D9 ?. e" p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( r% C' s  N% Y1 L2 K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! N9 X! I1 H2 B- b8 D  e$ {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; w& a  k5 o! j/ v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. a8 }: b7 p# ~# V  [! F: d  N

( y9 p% B1 a+ t6 z8 y3 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 ^' A2 [5 K" l. ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% z( X3 |/ p. Y1 e1 c  q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  L3 K& ~$ J  H# c
.............信耶穌... ...

  r: T4 U2 `6 U7 hRegarding the resurrection....
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5 q1 w+ i- _" A1 |7 e* Z- |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* m( K$ c& y/ {$ ^* u# \

- O) _# \  g6 Q. v) P, HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.