Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 T) @3 \$ I( Y+ R+ H7 t' t- Z8 N3 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ F- ?6 R8 S! `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ u. B4 H& q# k  d2 x  o
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, {! h# R4 u) q# v; Y8 H* |# `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ g# s, P) N6 \, F9 f! ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 i/ b6 }3 ]  h3 a5 r7 l" iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 `1 i. b2 W; \9 B$ b8 `" D* o; Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- M* I/ i2 l- r+ f: kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 A; |# k6 ]4 ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( o/ {* E7 T9 ?6 l  n+ c! M# R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
* U, y  Q$ d# s% b- k1 d真的!!這不是反話
6 B! x9 L5 Y; R6 H. P; }因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 k. b4 C+ D% k( X2 m9 O; A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( f1 r6 M) k8 F. ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ ~! p- B1 z- R7 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 g* @) S0 r8 p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: q5 c1 Q  V8 E& z" _4 _: k7 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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( x0 ?3 l" J& g; gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - z& ]" `$ h- G" E7 _! @0 Y1 z" a

/ V- b8 t. M: v9 b: L' vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% \; Q% `5 k' k% eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& U) s$ g2 N; n: s5 S0 x. W3 F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& h  v# y: A) y7 i; P, C. Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 }9 I3 g( k& d- ?# v' fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# y6 |7 O/ `% A. ?: j% W

7 s# q4 i3 {: u/ N5 w9 Eit's starting because we have sins......
. c7 D5 Q7 |+ tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- a. ]" c6 E4 g4 n7 M& f! Y% D7 Jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" Q0 e7 u8 m0 \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! g" T6 c& r/ v5 @0 C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" a. C& ~. G! ~1 P/ |0 m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: i2 h: X- w/ i. R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' m- T: [9 _( Y) R$ r- k
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) `  `( ~. b; c" W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% W' w$ v& @/ t, K, h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* ?* [( ?" _* [& [, L( v' Q% I
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 [" T2 i3 w9 ?0 p( y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 y. E6 @- r0 O* q3 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! X4 s; A- j. `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: ~; i0 Y2 u& X4 B. q" P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& B- `% k/ w6 f- g3 q) R  l' c以下是其他人的見解,
9 Y5 i( L& Y9 s* u% L' z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ N( l: x& {  V" O, \5 e0 X" w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 Y* e& }" v# [' A: p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% `2 p* o0 S. k, {

4 e, E( r  Z7 u$ D2 k7 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 A+ ?8 B; A/ ?6 ^" ~! A2 H

7 n5 N% t0 k; u8 U5 w% O3 W5 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 K0 t4 s  m* w5 h6 u.............信耶穌... ...

3 v7 Z7 G, Y; H+ @* `Regarding the resurrection....
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" O0 k; E  j9 C8 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" I8 O3 s: U* u: u; UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.