Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' A3 P/ O1 Q& k3 o/ T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, J. N' T: ?. y; Q1 a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) Q* z( x8 J3 i' Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, p' @$ K6 u9 R8 e3 K3 f呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* k0 |& n1 v/ I  J9 ], qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) z# m8 H9 d: @, F& h# s' t0 _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 P8 G, D6 q" C4 B' B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% B* X  ?2 n$ |8 S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  a) ~# {: n8 P. Q3 E( X因為我是情感比理性強的人8 P5 N' d3 ~3 ^; Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# ?6 _& e) r' I" B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 G- I/ V) A* x, q$ X( q; W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., ~; H, H! K" Q2 N- G7 \3 V2 m5 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 v0 C+ T+ y+ K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, O5 k5 }9 E1 E- j+ Q: M- k- M* ]

* G, N* b7 J" m- h( cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . u% ~3 J1 \) m# a, J( h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 w5 y% Q2 o$ ?8 ^3 o! R2 F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
$ D* w) v; i0 b/ g2 A( c- cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  k1 C7 L8 N- l0 \+ M
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  e" N* p2 C/ O- N9 ^  Zit's starting because we have sins......" E0 O$ m% j5 x7 b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 {2 ]) r) X4 t  G* V7 F( y7 W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( n, ]) g) k. L1 N( k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 m8 |: K1 i& [  x6 w3 @( N2 T6 x
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: u% R( V* b6 ]# ^5 Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 ], k9 B9 t% F6 O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- w6 O% n$ T: ^" J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' ~; ]- \' J, M! c; c

; L, ]- `/ O2 v% t/ e2 H7 m- f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 P# w3 s2 E& f' R7 Q8 a; E8 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- a6 ?: j. _/ P) \4 q8 d" v

% }' e7 _8 V9 u- |4 c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 c1 d( D3 v/ R0 ^* b/ I3 d4 O; \; D改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; t3 r$ M4 S( \+ {- d! U, W6 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 J4 X5 I5 V4 K! C2 \* E2 O" v

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6 @2 A' ]) R( p/ V  g6 Q, z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 t( W% ^6 `0 J2 B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( s  k1 `* o/ u0 g以下是其他人的見解,
. P  ^& w- u# ]. M看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 m$ g( z  `$ j+ f  F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 r" H" w6 Q' \- P4 s! z0 p

% e( u' I; N  o0 N& {. H6 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 B' n: U! u% Q9 B9 M* @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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2 }  r5 L+ E+ D1 X5 T1 D+ eRegarding the resurrection....# j1 _7 T% _) Z- H  C+ a8 N% N" r
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# G  h0 J* {# N, H5 D. f# g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.