Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) H' F4 x  a' Y/ l我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 _0 z" M6 A; Q; Q" C, n0 @又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 w& D# h& G# V& f) U& I道理我知道好多只係做吳到; {6 p- E. l- z$ H5 `( c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 A. c! O: G& I3 p  R

7 {, t" z0 h+ X# ?& W- Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: g$ G. w0 W, F1 v2 W+ g4 Y4 _$ h, u

4 @/ R9 R. Y4 a: o  w9 @- T0 ^7 Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ v% t7 G+ \' j( v3 a+ X! G( Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% S3 @- v, c0 y我只不過微小的基督徒...................' q- }/ D3 a  x9 s- M
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# K6 n3 @/ L' e9 A  a1 V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( E$ L. X" j3 B  G) F# x$ {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& z+ t! f% T: q9 ?% K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 ]0 h( k# s# w0 o' a" S- g, Z9 [What a statement we have here?
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/ U& {! l/ _& N; G: i2 SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 M% P; a) W% S, m8 UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* R- H5 J% ]* x

2 E0 v) P3 d7 ~) d; _: ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 X3 |6 n) B5 y. @# v9 e
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. ^4 ^. k8 l7 x! O: Y+ [6 [! B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* z0 B" V# @, r0 MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 k5 l+ h. o3 u1 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, X/ ~: r4 m. x9 c( Lit's starting because we have sins......+ R" n2 G, ~3 c7 ]! l$ `% n2 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- A2 }: X$ p, u& U; G1 kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 Q3 W* ?# f% R1 o5 ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ t" ]* ^1 s' z7 a( k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 [) k: ^% m  f+ J+ K) E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  |* m3 R7 k6 Y% m6 `$ ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- r: T' C% d3 k4 O$ Z7 m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& L7 b- i+ c3 m0 S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ W/ B# B0 l2 S8 o) k! B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( D! X6 t: S. ?  r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ O' f9 X+ z6 d9 b" D7 [8 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: S7 Z: y0 M5 b0 X, K* H7 G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( ]  A; `2 K6 `" i6 n/ S' G1 M以下是其他人的見解,
% t; G* x% I$ v% P, z) z( a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 f  ^& V# K2 a' T
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 ?  S3 I( u+ x# U! Z

4 a0 }0 |2 p0 j. U; d, V! B% w7 z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! b. n% M5 g( H* m& u; ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 ~2 v' q: t: k
.............信耶穌... ...

2 n* M" Z" e- X' l' n$ Q8 U* D+ sRegarding the resurrection...." i9 ?7 B* F1 L+ B

; k0 I" ]% M& L3 R) Z# R* uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., [, y( h9 s, Q$ \0 R$ W

7 ~2 g$ S+ s. p2 i/ U) ]( dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.