Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& ~  n* A: D& t" @我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 S% Y" N, @2 B- Q( X  Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' m! p6 }' g7 ?" f道理我知道好多只係做吳到* A+ e, V0 M, m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 q) n9 |7 \+ y/ ?! ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ r- O  Y: B; |2 N/ B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# h  I, t2 V. M$ C# K9 M3 \
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' @. E1 R! v6 I3 e  b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( s6 _1 h1 B' c9 v3 q3 N
真的!!這不是反話
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/ a+ a2 u3 T3 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& h7 o' ^6 v/ M' V9 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; `  v8 q; c+ L4 Z( ?' ]+ H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# _% G2 p" A) f: M+ J; d$ w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' |1 J: O; |/ a, c9 |/ y0 q) hWhat a statement we have here?; f' ^9 V/ J/ b+ g& R# Q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ Q) y8 C' D" M# u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; `/ f+ K4 k" D4 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! B0 @- [9 i5 B& C; v8 a& P1 ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 q1 O0 K8 w* V# H6 t5 z/ r' V6 F: q
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it's starting because we have sins......4 U$ b" k, w; N8 ?9 \/ o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# O" H5 [# J2 [3 v5 Q/ \. y) dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 Z/ Q  F( T2 D$ @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 g/ K! `5 i% F( R& J4 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( g7 u1 ~- n0 J& X+ ]: \* x, {. p& u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; e( W6 w9 y& X" w4 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 D0 h% E! Q( `( v2 I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 D) F- O3 |( |! t
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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, k# R9 t3 L1 u" x( n* @9 e7 f5 u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 D* ?7 b6 Q8 p/ t4 z4 G+ k7 p改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! K2 R& O8 Z8 u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& ^5 H2 g% C2 v7 W, X; D

* \( G4 ]5 P( I# K4 l9 S( y8 ]% \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 x& }6 m! C2 _( S# ?  J) ?. t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& V+ g) e3 e/ o; Y4 E, a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% s. Y) `7 w1 G; G
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* ]4 n6 _/ B8 _; }

; ]! H5 _5 @) J" f% Q1 ]) j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 Z9 X" [+ |; T4 v7 q( \& c$ G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 M; ?% k2 g; e7 T) @& ~3 X.............信耶穌... ...

4 g$ e9 g) G8 p, XRegarding the resurrection....* F! j/ S" Q( m4 G/ Y- S% x
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# T& C) S) Z( B, ~3 v. \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.