Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" ?0 Z7 p3 J( X( Z- j* a; L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! G0 i. E2 L3 j' h: T- v; ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- w4 z/ p. ]4 t5 R0 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 Q! f+ O7 G4 t% {! w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 m6 T7 ^0 B; M8 E5 h# i4 b% yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ _% U* l3 }3 s' l5 W$ j

. I6 A- [1 g! Z: V+ Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, U, Z6 S" A7 t0 Q5 B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  W" y9 [* T! b5 {1 D真的!!這不是反話4 r# R2 ]5 U0 c' U$ F5 x$ Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 }, k/ Y" _5 S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; K; B! i% o) z7 H/ l* I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" y% O5 @5 K" R& I$ F; M9 |! O3 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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* i0 u& w: `3 \5 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 v1 U* q1 a- L6 l0 s9 t5 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ N. q5 k( w' o* ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& |, X9 p; K1 R, DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ H/ {* C4 H7 h3 z1 D/ P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., D+ s% ~+ B; [- b
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it's starting because we have sins....... ?: J2 P" t: d$ ~0 `2 [# Z7 k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : L# Q2 O: Q2 S8 X9 f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! `6 k0 |! ]  R/ e7 v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& K& c9 |  a8 v. U/ ~4 z, e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ @3 K) E8 F+ Z6 {! V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ ?9 u5 f) _! k  |) c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ F; f/ A  r+ d. H3 f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 T- p/ o( ^8 W% O2 x4 Z8 v& j6 W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  [  X1 A3 D7 c8 Q9 t& x& ^/ _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 z! h& \; W4 Y: I! ]1 A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 @- d5 l+ D# }
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8 j- A0 E  P" c5 d0 W  F4 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: v# ^9 m, W# `' X0 Q) L$ j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 R# Y2 X6 \! \* u. `
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以下是其他人的見解,( b2 z/ Q: t8 T. @) x
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" h; w7 t6 s: ]% d  a. n# U4 C- [. y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: x$ |; P# q! ~' t/ L8 K

! ^0 P- \. K' ^6 L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 K: D+ O; p) B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 B/ l4 s8 `, l' H

- G( f' Q9 Q& Y5 y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' N9 ~: v4 c( h8 m.............信耶穌... ...

$ I: P& [  X0 PRegarding the resurrection....
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; F8 i$ Q& F- e. \" h: t% j! zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.