Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 S; t5 P' L( c6 }! }( t. r, A我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 ^1 b+ K; r. b  m& Z1 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 D. t- o) N$ W8 Y8 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到& p8 P0 D1 ^  s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# N. b6 T! C: ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 g# w2 u) F6 _9 C% E: u5 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# F- e" w2 o- I) Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 c4 w8 p$ [* T9 k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  |5 W( w1 r* r$ ^0 a# [! Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: o5 y9 K3 L* H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ n' x" [' j. J3 N/ j; p, Y
真的!!這不是反話+ J* `+ C! I2 @, s
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' `/ i" D8 B4 c/ a( m' ~, ^8 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ H' B3 ^. b# `' H3 S8 j6 t4 W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 ]5 \6 [0 b# m9 ]7 S4 e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 {* {% M3 |6 _+ M6 ?' |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  n0 M  ~6 G) V/ H" p+ bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. K5 F0 g, ~" p! z9 s  E8 u
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 y5 }$ h& w/ \7 A: O. p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 f, ~0 D/ o  J8 O( GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, b" W/ L9 F: [: [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; X$ j2 ^4 `% v- r  A, @9 S- H+ `
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it's starting because we have sins......2 |+ P' B+ K/ D5 l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 `  i0 A, G. |/ h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( r8 D( r$ b0 H3 ~9 e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ [/ L- b$ ~/ A- d% O: O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* t; M" x! t+ S0 F1 \" S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# Y3 A  a* l: @1 l7 ]4 y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% S; i! a9 H" N! A' ^: Q8 s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( ~1 C. K' a: c+ I  d- C6 ?
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# u3 m' z9 w; |' |2 ]( y1 {) x, e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- J1 U2 x* K! L* T
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- x' K0 E% @, X( ]' e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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! n6 F* w8 a( s+ F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  ?' j; @  u) o0 ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 w* @2 p' V/ C5 L2 d0 e

6 Q3 z: b* }6 }8 d0 V- s( q以下是其他人的見解,
! c: g6 r* B$ L$ Q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  o- i6 V; f0 U' V5 V
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 A+ Y! e2 [* |5 h

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) C8 P3 q; F* i2 Z) L8 A) V

8 G$ y: E' B! R' d/ V# f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 W, @0 J8 ~8 W

: T9 w3 ~0 u. {, A6 _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, W( y7 A8 R% |" g0 Q( H+ w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 x6 ]* R7 z9 }' Y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 A( Y6 o4 ?) W; e7 O
.............信耶穌... ...

3 y" O9 Q+ k8 Y, |0 oRegarding the resurrection....0 a- D/ n9 {2 Q4 P1 V

1 S9 s( H' \8 D. U' y: A1 B; `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 H, Q+ F1 e# m$ }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.