Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 m& d% m- A0 c; M6 Y0 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, Z. A+ I  r, v& J, [. w$ Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ a. [6 B, P' m+ M. k4 z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 b- I4 q# Y$ k& T  P
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% f, i2 g* v5 f7 Q! W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ P/ \% T- U# f% ]9 Q$ D
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# u7 x3 L, c+ ]4 J( T! [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 W7 g7 S7 E4 _  T% M  D+ {. l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( ^7 H- T; j) n6 }真的!!這不是反話
) }& F- F3 P9 X* W: K* N因為我是情感比理性強的人0 `9 `/ G) p; _' e
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 r  X0 r+ s/ a) x+ o& y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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: t, f; B- ^# V7 x, p$ ?4 e1 |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! \6 H( s. ^+ _6 L1 z, H- h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 }3 T2 V2 a- g+ R4 Z* a' Y( s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 i1 E) ]. E( [  q3 H

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' E2 W( }8 ?: ^( k* k0 g. ~"不信也沒損失"
. u8 g7 g5 f: j7 \1 g1 kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 v6 z1 i. r" q3 }8 ~2 b# H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) n3 L6 V; A6 z' O  H" \: S: d2 P/ zit's starting because we have sins......: f1 q4 p0 |, p/ F! w2 J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 n) n% T1 U: V0 `8 I& J: D* N+ `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ v2 \' B+ z! x" E: B2 P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% O  I, T" r" h/ a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ ^. h- a/ W* C# e; z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 Z+ K6 x8 Z1 N. f* j3 G/ @4 r' M# W5 T" [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 Z( u+ j0 [- E% U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 _* R3 S# s$ c2 C- [1 g好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ T  j2 H. q6 Z$ I  b3 h4 u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 o' V( m/ f: T' `- E6 b0 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 j) v0 K. x0 u5 l' M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 X3 c+ F  M' @
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& b: Z7 L! g6 J9 {* |6 |  ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
1 S/ A3 ?+ S- v; ]: m$ A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 ^' p5 c: o, F  d1 t/ w% S
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, ^0 _" n* w+ T) W7 v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' h+ @2 q3 O1 U/ D, E8 o, m
.............信耶穌... ...

5 a/ ?7 T9 h4 V8 I5 SRegarding the resurrection....
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% V" L  H5 K+ Z. AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., w- {9 |. ~. `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.