Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( ]4 m. i! s" P1 m3 s6 _+ ?3 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人" M0 }$ x# b( m- S" X( R7 t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ x0 T+ k6 h2 p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% X: X: t: \! Q6 t( @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  @: V, [1 a- A$ |; o8 ~( P! V$ ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: ?! N4 M7 Q6 b4 h: kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& W; o# A  h7 E) h0 b8 e
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 G: o2 A7 I; @1 ?! F& `. w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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& j* Q6 {% E( G% h因為我是情感比理性強的人6 Y% o6 A% w& J. C/ a) \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  v2 z# `0 c% b! H5 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- m+ z! G' S2 y+ ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  |3 Z1 h) z1 i$ b! Q- p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) F7 y" S% F: L+ c4 R1 W1 V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 d9 }! G$ Y, w- uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* {' H1 {5 B1 J  S: eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ s: I! o9 D+ _0 j" E& A" D+ |0 S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ `" J0 I1 y7 W6 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% B/ M* E4 l8 r  N. q"不信也沒損失"
2 @& S- @% _" ~- |0 v. CYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# Q& M, K/ b4 Z1 _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ M7 k4 d7 t% H" s& M- q" w* fit's starting because we have sins......  @( j9 T: f. F- x# ]+ v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! o! l& A9 R# c* X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ o! {: o9 Q1 V3 f" b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: Y6 t- c9 U9 A  M2 B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 d3 u* m/ T1 e5 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' i) t4 w+ k( x9 M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 }: T% D" D  w7 a
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," T  X9 L! Y5 y" b) d$ a" V" s$ _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% j- [8 }: Y. v0 W& a
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," i9 ^! b2 r0 X) Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! T  G( O+ k2 P) x8 x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! V9 e" B" O, o  J9 W

- L7 d, m. q5 y- Q5 b+ r$ q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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; I9 o6 }2 }8 j" w, f2 [以下是其他人的見解,1 S" t; N7 u4 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% v8 b: d2 S- j0 k7 i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; L; R* h$ k( Y- c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 _, K3 Q) m' V) C5 d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- e2 Y3 b& `, Q1 m$ P4 [9 N' c

8 d7 B6 P3 o* A4 ^# N3 t/ a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# I2 e8 l4 L. I- a% V; u
.............信耶穌... ...

* I0 h1 O3 f* o: _Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% W. j$ p- x9 y+ U' {1 n

. K* U/ I  H2 KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.