Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 {- E+ Q0 u5 k4 @5 M, S: r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ j; L1 }. ~/ g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 r( j, J) y; E" G( W, q! [7 l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ P4 o3 G7 I1 k. p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  V' F: M7 ~& L8 X! iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 @( m7 z% E1 B& Q' O; O6 W; X
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 r  k' Z3 t) L* i( i2 u8 a7 `1 e
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 q( N$ S6 {( T! Q& U7 g" @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 i# J- M. I. {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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" [( W: j/ [2 X3 h0 P* M1 G所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 _9 ?5 E  Y  G) l/ i8 i$ T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L$ Z! J3 X& e: g0 A( z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ Z; q1 ]+ O0 k- U, o8 P& Y0 ]; [' r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  Q6 y' o  M0 ]* l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ i3 u) Q3 |3 Z0 k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & }- X) r) _6 Y! b! e# S5 g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# V' K. r1 {" c5 H  P3 o

, g. p! M( O' C1 iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 d% z" y0 m. l) ~) M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ I' l! K6 s/ Z* d; s  eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* g2 M2 A' p# h: Q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 ^% ~, G- v4 n2 w/ b

7 w6 t8 p# G* ^- |* ^; Qit's starting because we have sins......
2 Y- E. P9 R' Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( S2 b" }6 q. B' B: F: @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 j' p# [# m- c( `3 |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) i& V# t) M7 l- c' |# g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, ~0 n' F* m# a0 ]3 q

0 p. y6 L; Q$ ]* A4 V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, z% g& p5 u3 s& h7 s! l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 k- T. j) E& T& D

3 L* _* h+ W6 d/ C% \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 {. ~5 X; i! }7 I) D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, V9 D2 v! d! w( O' Y0 D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." n2 n1 h8 V' P0 q8 g

, w9 Y% [' H! A3 ~" Z# X宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, T2 s" j. ^7 v/ e+ Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& \) g: v3 s0 [* h. F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 t& y5 [& N+ b4 L. b/ [3 o

' r+ z; e) b5 {, P$ ?5 J2 E以下是其他人的見解,
5 D6 o' V% d8 g" h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ O' ^# h3 }! M0 F% Z3 ?
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 ^2 [, B% S" ?1 Y6 J# @. q/ |
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 S. O! s8 q2 f5 M& s7 V- I7 U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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' x6 J! C+ E& [3 \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., j0 Z5 h9 U# D) d5 P+ Q. j

( z, s3 k5 t) R$ p3 x2 N/ k4 mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.