Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& ]8 O# o/ l8 Q) X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
& e3 ?, d9 p* J; r9 E4 c  y: K% \又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ L$ M+ V: o# Z9 W' ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 O* a* J$ A/ L) O  W" s& R呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 F' j, l' C- m6 C" _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. s% P, R6 A- d$ G% K! sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 c1 }4 M' k0 s. S2 u, Q9 v* I& P6 a1 Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 B4 r* |5 j+ p! l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! l4 J( }5 S6 ~) M( X+ u7 B+ k9 W) X
真的!!這不是反話/ U4 J& I" W% e
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 f- w$ J2 B: l) N! G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 R3 l/ X: b( G. e2 H  P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& A# v% M$ K) V4 Z/ i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 @  m& ^/ L2 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 s% M. d% j/ B4 l: |What a statement we have here?# D; V) y! b$ u# ]9 U$ ~& w
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   L* n  @  ]0 u
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* z  b  {7 B1 A/ D; S) s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 z( G5 w: X# s, ^$ p4 l: A% |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# @* g" e# f7 E$ D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! u# C. ]0 i0 v4 j# dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 G, g  K; O& O) M

  v7 c! f2 @( I- n: t; Git's starting because we have sins......9 y0 Y2 @& f+ Y" f; t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 i/ S5 o/ d. T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ ?- D+ B6 \# ~% Y( X+ H; A! F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' G; B) [% w! M; N$ Z9 d" ]7 a, H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 N# D' q8 `* I+ _( ?7 y  g1 h* ?8 a( ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* ?' m  T& @6 R% n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# Y" T$ Q5 v- P/ w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, A9 `" d" q* ~2 [9 ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 x9 ?) }# h+ D' g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# ^4 ]8 {! b: Q# H6 A- h% e

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; d9 h. D( G# F5 h, a  P" W! ^* ]- W吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 Y$ I/ v, k! w& U1 y% X' X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; C3 x! o+ r; I& g

3 |  Y" }' B, ~; m0 r以下是其他人的見解,6 \: f7 p" q5 s* [1 J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( j9 o; s* N% k3 V
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 Z& o. O9 U# y& h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  k* E& J$ ^  ]: @( j! v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 I& A  j% _7 b1 l$ W/ q2 V3 K
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! |% z: \9 I; RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.