Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ S) S/ p  `+ J4 P我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 I& |2 ?7 o4 P  o& F3 }2 d% \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 K# l& h- S3 g8 ~( ]! }; [: x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! [7 c! u' o) C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ d; P: i; w: b: h9 a8 RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! m4 Q' u+ i( l2 C7 e) k/ \. v: ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* H6 _4 _# q+ W) |  Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 M2 Y2 r; L# d0 o

% X* n% r' |/ ]+ h5 }; x- dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; T; D! |# X+ l/ j) w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 \4 z- Z$ N3 W* C% y* C我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 m/ w" c8 _  |5 _/ E. E7 |
真的!!這不是反話$ u( Z6 F3 R5 X. q, S3 A( ?% L. F4 ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 z0 i4 `$ \" M! v5 n* @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 @4 z; {3 _! @& E& Y) I' }8 G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 b' [, C" ^* {  X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& f+ n' O; e. k# uWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * f( p+ l1 X6 n( a, h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ u8 E6 s1 |! W: A8 b$ x4 }"不信也沒損失"
) y1 C( `, a, Y% M5 kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 d+ K( C4 R$ t# I& l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 H" ]# p, b9 s5 q' l
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . R* G/ R- q! F& A* T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ e& f( l3 {# x4 L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 L$ b: D, H' Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) |* Y. J8 q" H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ U5 w) \6 `3 _2 I3 Z- s4 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. c6 D* I( u; c% s9 c+ }/ O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, Q" d, i9 E' F

* X$ q; p' [3 x! w! Z. b) e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; O# [) o; I$ n2 C% o$ S  H9 {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ m. n; H3 ^* g8 N# P. _

. ]+ ^/ W+ H9 F- s/ c7 V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! U* C; m2 C1 L4 N4 n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* `7 g" I6 ]. A; |+ E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  _3 k$ s7 {/ u9 F$ v9 K4 \$ }

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1 v$ u0 z8 C1 y) s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# a; A% O2 d9 i/ Q' S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 s$ w1 j+ j- R9 t7 c( |

4 o3 v: a8 [# S9 _以下是其他人的見解,, |$ i& B. q) ?8 \5 t! K9 L0 _5 r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. H4 f( m6 Z% ~3 w4 R
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) s* W% u2 h; o, e2 Q# H
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 m4 a" f" e7 v/ x& L  k9 i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 U# U; P' O& [4 D2 |

7 |( y, O- u0 p* Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( g; D6 D$ A! u7 n.............信耶穌... ...

8 a. e8 R" O2 ?+ V; E8 G( Y- mRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ B; E$ l1 X! t/ B. e& D# P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.