Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' S& e% {$ c% f9 p' P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 q* O# T8 |' A+ J+ B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- b4 }8 |  F+ L+ Y( k, b$ W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... S$ @- v, |. y/ k* d- d0 h6 s; B8 b$ M
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... r% O% I% c5 A; ?* i  X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 M$ O; T; }) q: M* K- b6 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 d0 o0 {0 E+ m3 t真的!!這不是反話$ b7 c' ]$ k2 |% d" a3 q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 v$ b) r6 j9 F: y' I* {* u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 A' c9 ]( H' o6 [* W) l8 I/ C5 V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) `  l& ]% n) {! ]8 ~5 g! I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 Y: U% p, {7 D' A3 }1 WWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & g9 r/ L: p. v! R6 V! W2 M$ {9 j) w

- {$ S; z" P( Z, _. K6 II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) u" H+ `$ ~: J# Q9 I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 e8 a. }' O# L1 Q
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' l( F9 G( T6 [3 m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 t2 \( b& |, J3 xit's starting because we have sins......2 @4 u; b( j% n5 m( {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . `6 I) t  f: C5 d1 j6 j: \% {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 R8 Q- q0 d! T4 ~# h6 l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 ~: [. B& n# C9 E( B5 ?5 H# @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# h  ?# F) x& @4 p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, V, M& t% `" H" D: c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 i- e( y  Z+ \9 F4 }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 y% {/ T; r/ v( |& l; }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: d" N- V& P( Y$ T* ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 d9 X  u1 @. j$ i! f6 w4 t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! _# ?, E7 @6 d" W9 D7 G% [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 c6 ?$ i2 w) I& t3 z( G

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) D( _  B1 J/ S2 A8 V# t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 t7 H2 a5 i# z. E7 K( w' s( a以下是其他人的見解,* ~) J* B) z. V# O" M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ o5 `% G3 ?: n% Y" q) @+ l- N9 q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 H5 O. a' }9 g5 Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- U# T+ M$ e! G0 I7 ^  f" u: c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  j7 {) O, u$ e( g$ z, m9 }.............信耶穌... ...

: U4 r% M" H0 b. _* ?- P) q& @! I; YRegarding the resurrection....& b( ]  q+ m" T3 p) ~$ f- I

8 C1 b& m2 F1 m9 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... ]; h  B. M  G# b& K1 E0 g; K

7 I% _- w6 }& kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.