Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 Q3 _( W3 \* R) @+ x$ T! z( D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% V3 Z/ b1 m. z2 ?1 X6 J1 R* D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 w, b& o8 N; H* }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( K2 `& k, T6 s9 X% e( X  [2 B9 Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  |3 w( e  H5 t! j# C  a

: B# N4 d# ~8 Q% a7 y! smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* E3 u2 _1 v/ D& l* _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; r1 K& P$ F: ]- L5 c6 K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 q9 D$ Z1 |% F. D, D7 W" s% ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 m! V8 L2 J+ j- F' C
真的!!這不是反話
; c4 Z5 K2 D( U因為我是情感比理性強的人+ o. Z# x1 A9 r1 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 G3 I% U9 o9 j2 J! C: N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ r; n2 x1 ]: G+ ]; R3 Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ Z: b( [5 ?: J8 X2 `& S7 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- i) O2 e# w$ h# {; f9 s0 SWhat a statement we have here?
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2 L  ]( K4 p0 {0 h, @7 Q; s/ HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
' H' L# T; r" c( AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
* k8 Q9 q8 E# ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & H+ t. v6 c' q% t' J! j+ @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( I1 [7 Z3 Z9 n4 r7 e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* ^1 a* E7 z) X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ Z; q+ ]2 I8 u2 ~: b% j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# t) k  g( @3 x: |% H& \7 T4 V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: `5 Q# Q5 K, w3 b4 w3 T6 S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; |0 a* [/ i1 }: ?
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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; m/ z: S: [* W& _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! ^# Q2 B6 h9 ^; z# M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& x0 ?! n3 N# P* s" E9 k以下是其他人的見解,5 `: k0 s5 ~- t/ p. S5 H5 ^0 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# \/ y- F6 T' L! a2 q+ F
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, ~4 T- a9 R# O- w+ k
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# _8 ?/ j2 D7 b/ Q, Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% K3 n1 }: e& a# P2 Z. N) I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) P; m# Z7 A7 \8 |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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2 M: o* l# M4 @9 l4 l. qRegarding the resurrection....
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7 {6 c. I% e$ R. |2 }- d' zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" M) k+ S" B, F) C3 A) {% N6 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.