Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) K5 `+ \& Y3 ?6 S  E" G7 ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% l" c6 d9 ?! R8 G3 j又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 n, y' ~3 R7 |道理我知道好多只係做吳到& @0 O  l" w6 z/ n4 m7 |8 X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( j' N. [$ V3 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) G, i5 K& ~! }" ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 t* x9 e5 z1 g9 E6 C* J' ~( l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! O8 l* V; K" z: n1 Y- vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 u" M" n- Q( \$ m0 I4 z* }6 D- Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 W) Q' {2 Y$ A: [' U' L7 [
真的!!這不是反話. g) P- R$ B; X- i7 O% A
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 ]" {/ H# l2 Z( ^# J# B) l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# l: U0 D# [: e) s* Q6 S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 z# \/ W9 Y- s2 U0 e' C0 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 e% l9 @' g, h' v

' R4 Z% C; L- b9 b7 b3 l+ h* mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. M( `6 g, @% W

) a. E* x7 k" B) cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 ]! ]2 Q* f5 C$ j
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) q  X  h( T: }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  t$ b* o+ `$ z. t( ^"不信也沒損失"2 n( u% `; ^1 ^  D) D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 G( ?6 ]0 Q" r+ X6 bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- J. n; A( G; ~2 c1 \

, M: H1 {8 C- I3 d) U& {it's starting because we have sins......
2 N% K9 M, y2 v( }8 T4 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& M2 }# Q9 S/ T9 u9 w7 ~3 Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# d) _+ Z6 y/ F" N# u$ S" \+ ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" Z* f; z  V; o( J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 @' A  J* n& m& q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  [% J% X0 z; @& Z0 U0 Z5 x4 D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- b6 L2 ], s5 A# g5 Q: I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: j9 r4 s6 L8 {4 Z, \. G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 ~% n  H  V0 D$ k( Q3 ?5 `

/ f6 D0 P& j4 B8 k8 }$ _; d; b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# w. A& W6 u6 M" b改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' m5 l4 v$ L# K) K; X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 m; v" @1 Q) W5 }/ N
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  f  u$ S* x4 e1 ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 `, X2 T  u! [4 M9 {

3 I( o/ g0 C9 M3 Y3 r! b, h以下是其他人的見解,, _! x/ {; E; f' n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ l( a9 t/ E, w$ x1 w5 v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' {7 \0 y5 _" K- v* K. P! s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 }2 r0 k$ r2 R4 N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( u0 e" x7 y; \. u6 q" L+ x7 W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 {% q* M* W% Q2 n) w: a* _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 f0 p6 H% w1 _6 K. l

: j/ l0 x3 ?1 W* ^1 R( X' mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  D  F! g2 c, I" }+ t! cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.