Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 B, s! K' u9 ^9 P5 l我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 V: v! {0 @' o1 M+ n# T$ a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 {1 o0 F2 I, Z& \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: K3 h! c; J  P$ S/ m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& I* ^& w0 _1 Q1 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 q! E1 k9 n2 A$ V- jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 I$ H6 m! X5 Y5 y5 B0 L- Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 Z# Y& U. @& R$ e2 C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' Z0 N+ S6 ]4 O真的!!這不是反話
3 C; ]1 {' R  R; q因為我是情感比理性強的人) Z% G) s8 G6 Z, O  C0 z. L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 ]4 G; g; }3 D9 I' G5 m) z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( b6 G$ v, z) F# x$ \0 w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( \$ G% D/ l1 V* u8 j( y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( f3 T4 P1 R$ W% [/ r: S! l

0 X& Z; w$ ^" q$ Y4 UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 N1 E0 N4 {' R( nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! S  ~) a9 R) N
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 y- {- K2 D8 K, |8 ], ^; u) E% C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) w+ s3 N+ i. C, tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; w7 o& h. t% E/ @0 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ _1 r' V+ {% P8 R; c9 f4 U, F
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' ~) [$ U3 Z" t& z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 p. Z- T/ Z5 x1 U9 q8 x. w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; p4 `# e! q- r; J0 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! f5 ^, b5 m9 ?  P* c7 X9 V, L5 Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 X/ ^% x# i7 E5 {' d/ P" P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; P+ |* @" b  k2 M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 b4 J' f7 i7 O6 f( u/ z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) I( }8 [) i. Z& ^" ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* A% C: f1 Z: V( }8 ?1 S; w) z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 w; D6 E! U  \3 \
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( l) j7 M& I6 N+ t信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  n. y/ E' Q4 o$ S% R$ T5 |' r以下是其他人的見解,9 w2 F& _, F4 d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* X  {& J7 G( w5 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 v: g* ?4 ]- m( B# x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' x( Z8 G& W7 X: j  c# N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: u+ G$ v# Q# T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, B; ^; d$ y3 P' G5 V7 y.............信耶穌... ...

, m0 f% B' a. ]2 }. NRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.