Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ b0 Y2 r% W' _9 r0 R) z我係一個連自己都吳信的人" m' Y2 R: r' q: V. z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) j0 L* s4 B/ H8 Y% ~) b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到) L1 C# ]" C0 q( b: m. i1 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 b3 i* D8 e) x3 N

4 d3 O; M3 B) @( QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ }2 y. N* K- U% G+ _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  P  i/ N9 s- f& y" Y" \4 O

( {. A6 N4 z2 d8 c- s( jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& c9 w7 t* g( q3 u8 ^# O2 Z9 Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. j2 y$ v. B$ ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' C2 t( a: A$ _- w* J1 b, B真的!!這不是反話
8 n& X2 _) Q/ t: d5 i$ o: T因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 a! p4 M1 O- f所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) e' B1 B9 B6 g$ Y( J- L  k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& y# I' ?$ D5 |# `/ A; Z/ B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" x9 a6 k( e* {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 e: x  x3 F5 {5 k. pWhat a statement we have here?& w$ L& w& }! I! {  q8 p) X/ i

3 i: E* I0 }: [" O7 `3 Z9 q7 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 w7 ]4 ?% K  Y6 d$ c+ l  N6 tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 R+ N# z4 O9 X- G& Z2 s9 C6 h8 y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 i) E* j9 R3 e$ b$ W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 C% o9 [' j2 Q( X9 s( h"不信也沒損失"
5 C3 r; p8 h5 h3 i' HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ d7 Y4 B! I( l7 a7 j. N: pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......2 u6 w# u# W  J  a1 K+ |0 U0 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* J1 [5 S$ H6 W& ?+ O2 L6 U7 [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 D: }7 i' O3 H6 Q+ a" u3 b% V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 N6 |: Y. Q- |3 o, T4 H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& B9 l9 V6 M* i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 \0 }  |( e" d: Q5 T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 }- P6 X% g* |: p0 u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  W! [2 z* a% J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. |' u6 s, }  g# ^7 G

  L  k9 |% e( Q) y9 n' y" z, a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 Q& n; ?( V; Q+ q: B8 C3 V改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ H5 j* G9 d/ a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! S3 ~, p* ~" t* t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! E/ ~0 d. l5 ]0 t. Y3 ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- P' W' g1 o% l. i: t

* K" ]' B1 b: w; M) M* T以下是其他人的見解,$ \4 N, \/ q/ K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 F/ v) p9 V) v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm) G& \% _* {% p( A$ v; N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& i$ b6 H6 v# c0 V  D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 ]) Z" N" {! s; }8 n5 I

9 h0 }& U) E" S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& L* X& X+ }5 X3 |6 @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& s; m% T) Y3 h: ~5 e: F/ B0 g' i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ h0 [5 `, R! P& i
.............信耶穌... ...

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8 K. i7 a; V+ B/ bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' {2 [2 _, o; T- ~; Z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.