Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( [( ^) Y/ e: D' i4 Q; t4 s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ s! J' z7 E% X5 ?' `3 v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 Q, Y2 _2 _9 v8 U2 @) ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# R2 I% ^& R' M2 G& K# x! s
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 w# z) ~: @6 u( T- w; r) k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, x) O  X2 g" ^$ W' M/ k& V1 b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 [. A, Z; V: ]+ x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! q5 l& i( |& |% |; l$ I5 j6 o. \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 I2 D: t  f/ f# \3 L1 M2 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 o3 z' J/ }4 J, dWhat a statement we have here?
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! W. e* ?* [# JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ `* ^/ Q+ A% n- a1 R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' L8 L8 B4 `5 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 N! G) _0 Z2 c8 @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 L, K8 c0 V* s* V+ d# T
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 A- P" Q! T4 r( @+ s3 bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( t- `$ g; }- [. P- Z2 I7 m' W3 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ d% [, @1 v* P& [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& I* J) s8 h: p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. t# y* x8 F. @; y# `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ F8 @9 R& F. ]8 j% e% v8 Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  ~1 i% l( C" [# R6 s  k& X; o8 [  i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% L. V# E" I; A9 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# m/ W0 T) e2 z* k' M, u) P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* q# e5 Y5 p7 l( {& ~, M* Z9 S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 Q* [+ p% m8 F8 s2 r
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) _* c1 Z/ ]& d% ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- }! H' G# r, J( G, t以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 k- x9 N$ U+ o' O6 Y9 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( N% ^. ?) N7 s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 I% o# F( _' @9 C) k* I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 T7 W; _" C5 y" v, z! `/ |" z7 y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  V, D' R2 |6 k& h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.