Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 n( j* c0 `3 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 ^& `6 ?: n% F4 q$ j6 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; [% [, Z+ R# c- W( P3 P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- I% I8 ^/ u* D) e呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; s7 Y; a! \4 f* W  Y  T
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 v6 E1 {0 F& x) T1 j

, Q9 O. `) n) @6 r) K& Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  O- y. c5 k2 z" \

! a; v0 D7 D3 [. K" \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 R( e3 h" k3 Q4 c: C7 Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ h: `! Q; G% N  C5 i& w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  m& @: x9 ?* l& D真的!!這不是反話
8 J9 b0 \. {$ p( f$ o+ |+ W因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 E% X8 j* \9 L0 E. Z7 k& F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 b/ m4 L7 \. e+ Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- y# M7 Z4 ^+ n7 z+ r3 z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! U& k% g2 f0 [1 E9 e2 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 r9 z8 ~) G" H: \What a statement we have here?( M& b3 _7 w- N0 D

. C: y, X$ c/ R4 _: H# yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! W% ]; |7 t- |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 N5 t4 m4 x9 {6 bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 [6 B+ G) A; T# A2 h/ n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 ~# O, A, f* H6 O; z  q% h% Z"不信也沒損失"
' h; |) R6 s, wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) e' I7 m: k9 a6 S: e% [8 z; Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 d+ F+ b# [  F2 m

* y0 [# e; ^2 g! sit's starting because we have sins......2 g/ m7 l, b1 c% l; i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - q7 R; J7 S; K6 V* E- o+ k7 I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 F. C$ Q# m: [2 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ Y; Z7 f* E) _% E3 e% T# P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( n, Q4 b3 n$ v$ y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 Y" m. q" Q: t. y% W

( j' S# x/ F" K! i( s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; r) C4 Q  M! j  N  @7 ~- X1 U  v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 c/ B3 F4 {6 o  ?& Q% m- q0 D
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 E- u. b4 Y. U5 Z& @; |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
; k5 E3 p& w) l; {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ [, L( e0 @. e3 a# `
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 t$ W! ]- n. q  ^* H- b5 e9 z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ }4 z* `( z2 z$ V, B  s.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# y4 \7 ]2 i4 Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! L9 U$ E" {8 ?; z

  q8 {* j+ q1 C1 k- SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.