Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  ^! Q0 {" M" c我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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' Q8 P2 h8 h% B# ^+ b: I道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, a) ]$ F& d9 s. A# ^0 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 N& d9 L9 M! N( R6 k

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 {. }8 }4 W& K6 R9 B1 E8 s( w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. Y) ]7 ~4 S! @8 O5 v* T: [* U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. B2 w6 N- }# l. z$ r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 k# S! u, \" M8 R9 W7 }$ W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) `6 @* O3 o- l5 }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 ?6 c1 ~, t3 n: h, N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: _: w- B) {: c1 w

" n) \" B8 N% E0 \* `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 s4 c/ Q2 ]! J+ B$ B1 R+ v, ~* f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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3 `9 C2 [9 V: P1 n. m; P"不信也沒損失", e' I/ n2 |! G
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: F$ F, j" E8 b) g0 J* ^# J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( K' p2 `6 V( u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# V# R; e0 A' j6 c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 ?$ i) T& @% g5 H1 Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 C4 v. n4 o3 `# x* o6 S: t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; [) ]( ~' K2 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 }, C4 i- |! O% [- Y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ s2 S: ~' [+ V3 H5 U5 G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 _; s4 x) R! e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) x/ w, M; d; U0 Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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# n& w8 H+ s" }* H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 i0 D- }  B0 @; s' W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% |/ L* I2 m% d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 ?, a6 E% o/ n. b" ?

, _9 _! G5 i" P6 p% I6 U以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! `: c- j4 s$ o7 N6 }
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; k* u* s4 _9 q- T! s# Q6 A8 b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- n- v5 f8 F1 X" o0 m. L5 q  c
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 ^: `  @# f' C6 |' w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 i! v2 K, r5 EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.