Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 W* q; m" K: S# ]/ `  j+ @. I( U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 Q; l' j+ T! F- F  D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* ]3 O9 g5 c; B: C+ FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 m$ o' j- n9 J$ y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." D1 j% e( G& ^( U& s: M1 A% B

+ p7 c% m! P, G# B9 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 q- ?3 M! S( K3 L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." D  u4 ]  I1 |: {" I5 a$ _* T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) G& U( C& h" ?! l# O我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# A- h0 d' e% f( z3 C# N8 K$ d+ f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* t6 l) ]; B1 d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" G+ l7 n) j. y2 v# W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ n7 j. U' i5 i2 D/ o6 t) ]' ^
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: o* n  w, T- T; kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( I+ p0 ]- {4 E* S$ J  v0 m: _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 F. R5 ~4 h1 {! r; ~% m* _# u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! Q2 Q" C9 K: F4 x% P# ~9 X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., e* J1 [" @8 C9 D  t  ]' ?
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ C. c' ^! n0 l" ~  P; D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 e2 c6 g6 m  D) b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) ^% h+ L5 Z' O% H2 S6 D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" L. K/ ]0 x* C% t$ k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! y( P7 M6 M1 N- l9 B% U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  U) E1 f1 k0 q. @# ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ y' D. W1 Y/ o2 o0 {& P9 L. Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) \  g2 }0 M" @
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: U3 Q$ k2 `( V* U6 r/ {
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, k$ ^" k0 o* N5 y( X3 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- R8 b7 G- P; `5 o$ B

+ N7 \& Z+ X4 [) j+ C以下是其他人的見解,& K( W) b0 x" b1 u+ r3 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 c' Q: v, M7 O% Q  Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 G# k; a* i1 `/ J" p2 L; y# u

6 `0 R" ^+ B- I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- o8 v. C: t: {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 M$ x' h& C( `
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 @8 [* B, `: c4 {同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- ?, w6 Z+ O% z4 J6 ]+ U0 i" ^9 l
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 Y2 z+ B4 ^; ^$ C, G. a! M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.