Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: |+ F& X: V* h, M3 B5 z' e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; i" d" z8 a1 |, I" q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ ?1 U" {8 R" v* F* H) K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, x. ^: w: N! ^( y, oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 ]" K. O3 R7 p" JNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." j* f4 ]6 h6 p! b: q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 O3 E- J4 M6 X( l: p8 Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 V* i+ c4 C4 D9 I9 E3 @' `* R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ h6 C; f( q# F2 l4 c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 N6 j% K2 p7 F9 u! P5 {真的!!這不是反話
* T# y3 o$ m! [3 o4 ?! s# ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
& i; D/ [. M" B& v% m. y1 R( l- T所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 G; k# G3 y2 w: [$ i# V* S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ T5 l6 y/ w6 R$ h. k5 B7 s4 U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 l7 w( W& h4 d/ y2 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?8 Z( \# i$ f" K8 a2 P& N
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 \5 N% ?6 A& S& V5 P9 e. |8 C* |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( @5 [# t7 w$ T6 iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
7 w+ _7 N3 k+ x+ I2 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 r8 M7 M. N3 E, ]3 X1 h! t* L$ S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 Y9 U# f6 t" t3 {

. p2 E6 Y, H! u) e# Vit's starting because we have sins......
9 k6 R. k% M# @5 a% R0 w: U5 Q! _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , C" ?& C9 X' d! K# ]% J7 y4 `$ Q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& `% ^: h8 w& L5 u- I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 B2 q) N. l4 O$ ]  g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 u, x1 a' H4 Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 l% C6 U, z% t& o6 ?# A/ q2 h* w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; f4 T& [; E( S$ t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' M, ?, t2 R9 P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ k; l1 X! L; w  Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ _3 O- f3 s. W9 E
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 L1 I5 Y- @( F' m0 K2 Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) F% N) k$ M: R( ]7 j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* Q2 v: d6 O8 T  B4 w

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 \# z1 b7 {  p0 o* n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( t; {8 Z: H0 Y: P
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以下是其他人的見解,  ]3 M9 q  i/ r& {, a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 W& W. v3 Q' W6 b
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" w% q  G  R, h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 X, D5 @% g" V" x& E. I; X+ c

; j. t! t9 _, K" J9 j* B6 f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 _2 E2 O: T0 S! z0 x' n: J% e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* Y7 N7 B" R  ]$ d0 X7 W3 s& T4 h$ K% {

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 L' l' _1 r7 Y: y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 |6 X6 k$ e% E0 _+ ^8 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! {9 K; o4 Q" A8 Y

* ?- \9 n2 {8 n# _: e- eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.