Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 K" ]% y+ U  U, D3 i/ [/ h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到" _9 |" m0 x- c" b; p0 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 w7 P$ x; P* c% _( E6 ^

( Q9 y( i$ }# Q: dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: U9 p% A9 J# y8 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 O4 t# r# X% w0 U

. ?, Z9 |3 o/ Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: X$ o" Y+ Q- p. k$ A, @7 d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 s5 a1 ^% f& N7 J5 o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 r% b* S8 H. _& k8 S5 B' X8 D- B
真的!!這不是反話
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: d2 n6 P! X/ o1 N2 `% Y& h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 x  P2 I3 J$ b" A0 A0 Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 M6 @( ^* h) q, }: q) Q! k, J6 k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 ^3 |$ k. }* i8 D. L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! A' m- r! A9 n7 _, N) `* u* F% TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # U% ]& F3 Z9 W% _6 L7 j$ x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& b# ~9 p* f6 d, Q  P$ Q# f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! C9 V( L& d  P+ x! B"不信也沒損失"
6 T! d/ `6 Q( OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......, s: j3 A5 t5 ]  V# [# \* {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / {: Q9 I& [8 n0 Q) P8 ]* R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 F8 o* ]+ W+ H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. [' O+ `/ T$ B7 q' T4 S+ S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; b6 b  }5 \+ k, t% v5 I  r/ \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% ^) B/ w7 Y" H' O7 `: h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ c  k0 f/ ^7 ?& B0 w& N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" s; d* i0 X& K  o7 {& w4 U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 X- A* M" R) p, {8 l3 c
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) G" L4 j" T) L2 J2 c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ P% B3 _6 E* j1 v' I/ X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, @) @- Y' e5 D  n5 t& N1 C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ c& h9 l4 ^" o2 E1 D. s2 t/ H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 E5 v# P( J; T/ R9 d

. `$ l+ I, m: Y5 n8 Y) d以下是其他人的見解,) m1 s- k' P" a8 q4 |% m1 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 n+ ~7 J5 c, l( a: T
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm! j) g0 O* l# j; P% M+ L( X

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 S) M( y3 g& Z! _  d
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. x. Y4 b5 s- Y, \; y- I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 ~/ t+ d3 ~* d# b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 Z) {: _4 j( K( w0 n+ A- Z.............信耶穌... ...

* }2 K0 C- g! D8 w9 E# [Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' t/ \/ f8 d- A  j" oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.