Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ U' v6 E7 x4 H, K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  j( d# E. ~+ I( Q# D* z' x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# \1 c( x: i( N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% ^. |7 L5 m8 |  a( l  F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! [8 k7 R9 ~$ J; V# dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 L( E* V% Q6 Q5 ~

/ T, ]/ Q3 I( q2 u# Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% T- M+ R3 e9 L$ ^! S4 S1 bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 D: B3 Q- T7 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 J+ B. j# E3 e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ k& z9 J) b, W2 p! z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 E' R/ a! _; C# F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 I: D9 j) d- G' X) {What a statement we have here?
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# j* j/ y+ t9 Q' pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : V! d6 r7 Q# ?$ }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# O- J, r+ E+ Z* n" v: _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 e3 N0 \. e; i$ X1 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ |, C- X4 U* m5 V0 j"不信也沒損失". Z3 o  u5 h! A& x- M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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* ?# a. J! ]* R+ D) R% Qit's starting because we have sins....../ K- c% J: B* n! W+ {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 A% E0 v2 B* p. Y/ }, o% _; u3 V$ g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 ^) O/ M8 V  ^% t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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3 O1 G2 Q) m$ j3 p7 w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- n! v8 F0 p4 @* I3 `* x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: C6 e2 J) A% M; J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! P) R1 [$ D8 k" j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 L& b- W+ O; A( T7 p6 L5 r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  V. ?8 V* k. h& p7 g! [吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. d2 b8 ^6 r: Z. c1 Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 ~  b  ^. J* g( r& [0 H, C* Y& u
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 w( Q- }" U' k6 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; K% L2 ?8 x7 Q4 x

  c, Z, z# @- g2 M1 V; o2 w# p( p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ d6 i' ?& P6 w' C' [+ a6 R! r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. M; F5 L! [0 m6 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) l: M+ I7 J+ M. ^.............信耶穌... ...

' }. N3 g% k1 ^$ \( O! iRegarding the resurrection....! H0 R6 ]% v" V8 J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 w; |5 a! _6 m" }6 f4 C. d* P
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.