Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% b: n( k% u; Z7 X我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 X7 D0 t. T- _6 M# W& I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! X9 ]& ?+ T- R5 x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 b, x; V+ X, T' e. A8 t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 d  d, t+ i% K, }0 k

6 t2 m: M, _, aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% T4 G3 g. s& p( ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, V' U6 Y7 g. x" c7 M. w" u我只不過微小的基督徒...................# i$ o% i) g* K7 y) I1 a3 f
真的!!這不是反話' J  ?3 F  B% j
因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 P0 a$ f& H6 c$ r& K3 ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ g1 Q! N, o8 j' m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% a' N7 |9 y0 H+ `9 _+ x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% h* X9 V* V- z6 ~! E" e# m7 \7 N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: {, h8 a$ v; g4 J& C( r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' x/ I2 e+ o* C7 g& SWhat a statement we have here?, d7 p( I3 R; z  A

( _6 n) L% h" J5 B2 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% O- T0 D; C" {3 J' u( F/ C' dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 r' d, J9 S+ [8 i, F; V. i9 K

8 Y: ?- `! S& qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: ^3 _, x1 f2 x  F2 e& C& W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 U: G! s' q8 r4 e( ~"不信也沒損失"3 s# v  ]/ a0 w7 l9 \5 m  A
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ }$ G. j# i# n& v8 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 d/ W% C" d" ^, \- S0 [$ e3 U) msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & N0 v" e  F/ w. Q  e: N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- m" o) Y) F4 q5 V5 z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 w: q- U7 F- h+ g; k6 d$ C+ [: H) U7 j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 m0 c, Y* h. M% j. b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' Q% a* W7 ~" s$ H5 t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," |3 ^7 K# d* E: Q  U2 Y% b" T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 a9 S1 T7 |+ i' J' [! P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 D/ K* z, B/ G( t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* L+ _& z7 k3 m7 b+ Z

) Q( ]) d3 u3 p' w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: g6 o2 S: E# E) |. X8 E- j2 m改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' F) U& m9 q" d! Z/ C: J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' w# q, C2 ], C: D宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 h7 A1 V/ o. A% y, K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% B. b7 \8 j1 i# n5 N3 F% F
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以下是其他人的見解,5 n0 G+ }  W0 P# b( q. \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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) Y) `6 _0 d; g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% `& R: c; R+ ?. w2 p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ S# z, J, h# u, C+ J

* s) F$ c0 E6 e  a9 l+ Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* n8 Z7 z& Q7 J% X, Z- R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 Y& c/ i8 _1 b3 s$ wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 n( ?  a& i; T) r" @% f

2 b; a7 s0 v5 g; t( d4 I# b4 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.