Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) P7 D* J; j) z4 i0 o* S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& O' w+ {% \# t" t4 e( s% n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" i% x2 ]  ~. z; }% M! f道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 G) u& `- O' T* t; l6 ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, Q2 \7 v) V$ \+ _* R$ d, L8 gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 e+ O5 k& i) h0 a# \- M7 N3 a; ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 c7 q( x, [0 \* y5 f
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 ~; x$ O( G$ m1 }, n+ o5 {9 |
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: A5 O$ D$ t9 S! Z2 i
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 T" m* G; P& W& R6 y
真的!!這不是反話
# Q" {& @, y8 W' N: G因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 {6 `5 Z9 |- a( T. C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) x. F: U3 r- ^. I! P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 r$ h0 p4 F" v6 x$ ]& p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; B4 _: ?* G0 H/ X/ @1 I% O) W" dWhat a statement we have here?1 T4 m& l  J. f  Q: D- ]5 ~

8 ^! {1 h% B" i' W( ]4 wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   A! B  K4 A+ k$ h1 {# u

8 }& ]4 d# `7 l" _+ J+ Z6 SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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9 u( u2 K3 ^5 c7 ][ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( ?( g: B& D) n6 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  z! d3 R' v$ B+ G0 X! r"不信也沒損失"* B2 {# B/ [' T/ M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 J4 k& w- L+ p' P) H5 q! ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ R, C: n) |, v) ?6 i1 t

2 v, b+ l9 P, D! W" W$ n+ Oit's starting because we have sins......! v: g. u, h+ z, d$ J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 }/ N: w0 z. u. U9 q只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 ]5 N# k- V" T- y1 \7 V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& r8 r/ {0 H% w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" r1 {0 b" |5 f" D+ X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  s# r9 ]" Z. v5 l) m1 J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# R* q+ _0 F; v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ L$ m0 ?) ?/ H- R0 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  i" f# K0 ^3 t. E6 d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 O- D, H6 F" `. Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 f. Q* L- J! f9 l7 l: z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# w( E4 m" w- t6 o8 E  z( q& |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ v. \) ^0 K% C. _
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以下是其他人的見解,
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& U7 J* L" s! H- g  U0 I6 @7 ?http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 a# x- Z: P1 J, i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. z$ G+ C3 ~- T/ S6 R$ q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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+ Z1 {; P7 {& C0 ^: Z+ y% L1 NRegarding the resurrection....5 p" J; x0 s: E5 C4 @9 @0 ]$ ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' |! Y* v3 `# X8 z  _: q

% J, r4 ?( ~# J+ }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.