Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 F) M0 E. N$ q, @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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3 ~) ]7 T5 S' |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 U( H3 j) U% L- J% ?; P

! _5 h0 s* O/ l4 \* ^3 [$ ~3 t' zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! h, n9 P/ L5 G2 _8 {  @/ S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 s- z( R$ B2 g8 s2 o3 H

7 P& p# i" X  n+ I5 N6 H, [& ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* X# A# q  Y, w. O8 m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- E4 A  X! N  ~7 z) M  M8 p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! V) f( W1 ~! i; D& R
真的!!這不是反話
/ b. y/ J* q; h9 r2 f; k因為我是情感比理性強的人+ |+ H- g9 e8 ]0 S  S! R$ l7 o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# b4 v) R. n% T6 [2 P1 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* |# w' @2 v* ]# u  t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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  `, k+ q! H( O! N3 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' S# U/ g6 J' S$ L1 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ F, X( ~0 B( ^+ H- p4 E9 [. }

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; X3 P2 _! E2 _: I5 Q7 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" c+ d6 d5 O, C2 Y# J( A"不信也沒損失"
8 e2 g$ U5 Y. H- w0 G, yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 M/ F( z/ U$ v& x4 ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% O' `0 |6 \. \, ~2 C- m( j
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it's starting because we have sins......3 G: R( `2 Z  C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 V$ K* S. n, y/ k& M$ z! Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; S' Z. S5 p; A" [" f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# A3 ^) C0 R1 X3 Z! S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ f/ D& @7 S' u4 d) K1 s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* }' p, _+ s& T5 o0 K6 O9 L) }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 i( D  Q! M) E/ [  A+ k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 q) b- J0 G6 k6 [$ v

! h4 [4 C: V% ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) X3 H0 g- |- U3 ]2 u" n5 d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 @5 r( I0 t, s" n: R# e
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ u8 s* V$ b# j6 k2 x7 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: T, x9 I* s6 o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." {1 q% r* V6 R9 L+ W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* `$ G" r9 v2 W& _7 F, {- l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% x$ d5 i- q+ B: e& \
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以下是其他人的見解,  y, K+ F) l3 r- p/ _8 _, O+ Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ O: n; z  A, s: U
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 {2 ~0 C( R1 V& q( }, `
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- ]8 \! V! U7 N1 }$ Y1 b6 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 z3 h6 Z6 W$ h1 a5 d/ e% ?
.............信耶穌... ...

* y7 T5 v$ H5 @Regarding the resurrection....  x/ \. Q9 Y9 l
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.