Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ H3 g. N- W5 @3 Z, O+ M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 r6 u6 n! }5 `; d又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 E" b" {+ G, C) a" x3 F道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ C2 j: I* j& K9 g3 E& ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ N0 j" s; z2 j" p  h$ ?9 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' P/ O% ^( {9 k/ N8 v9 p% \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' E$ Y, h0 J5 I  K) p

& q9 G. U/ ]# ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- N1 p7 |' [# ~4 j

- V+ N2 d6 E. Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 b) ]/ n5 e: O7 r/ P7 a  q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 z0 ?9 Z4 m; w% d8 |' ?4 G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 I7 ]  Z* [. s2 A+ @$ ?" ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ _4 V  s" r( n0 O; \; F; j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- d6 }- q- j* e- |( l$ g5 r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  a. F) a) g* G! g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' N. ]+ c# g9 ?; ^( E% WWhat a statement we have here?  {3 U8 I: r8 v7 t/ q+ S4 n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 x1 S6 n; E$ e1 S% i

$ _& F# _9 y* Z1 z) XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& a! e# q0 W+ i& F* Z$ V/ F9 M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* x8 k. m* b: w2 R0 w- t"不信也沒損失"
! R9 T8 z) Q& J" G- A: bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& N( p' n; f. k. G" \7 [9 R2 ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* B* i) E; q$ s; l0 Y* F- `
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ q% t+ h) h" l& c. u( d, l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* @  `, T) v- ~$ U* f( ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  p/ A1 M* T, G: L) x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 D* [% y2 i7 q9 t2 V$ t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% W$ r' b* T# @! @. W0 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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5 x/ ^/ S) ]# g$ H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 V* j, P: A# B! l  Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 S' V# y# g3 k3 n( T
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 t7 J) Q. L' N# z  V  Z

3 w8 P$ D- h" i9 H宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 l2 v( r% w5 ^( r( m9 H

2 f0 d6 P% u) Y: }' o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* z( @  G. X2 l* ?: `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 s6 u% Q; e7 v. L& x* Y" P

9 ~# }. y% c2 ?以下是其他人的見解,1 k) q; r7 p$ \3 ^# ^- v' z( y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% |  d+ Q5 \& ?8 V& m8 ?' f% o1 w

3 g7 h. x$ `8 M, Z& h3 C  y( ]+ W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. K9 [1 i$ c& z. K6 P8 n  Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 [$ U5 j( k/ a4 Q2 G  t

, l0 g# E) j# d; N/ W, c6 Z# H% z, j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* D/ \$ D9 C) h/ @4 v7 d1 m8 w0 x3 E
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: n4 g* D/ W3 e* E9 r+ ]9 o
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  l+ a3 T, M  G( G% X( j

5 L- Z: D; c4 a- DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& P1 _  l0 u+ ^" i2 g7 I. X3 N3 L

, X$ L1 [) M8 q' a! F6 YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.