Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 j( ]) L  s8 V6 D6 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 h* z' X) N$ F, c8 z  h- ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& {% N+ V8 z) O6 e. A3 k道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 d+ W- d0 H$ V0 D% u5 e- v/ H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& C( o8 C2 {7 ]0 q5 [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ K6 c9 a+ a, s$ @- \9 [- |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' a9 |) E# r* d" e9 ?2 d  ?7 s+ j! \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 f2 [: S1 e1 {( U$ X
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! t4 q* H' l7 O! g4 @: s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 T3 R8 F3 m4 r/ E7 w& l0 ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ w3 U! b/ a( e5 i' M* K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  J! U4 A! T6 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! y" M8 N2 z" G4 d% G( o! }) A

' g8 E7 |) {; fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 n% [- C; }8 P- a& }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" H4 y0 j  L) c) k2 NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 M% n  h- i0 X! V' y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 N/ q4 q) J  t8 B0 i5 C4 J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( n. |2 Z2 ]% s* b6 n4 r, Y7 O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 N7 |2 b! z# G( x: d
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it's starting because we have sins......
- u! {* f0 \2 q5 {; j% A- R2 Y& fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / t& l, e: @# O" h0 \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 a" A2 C. y* [( f6 N6 z7 v8 S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ s/ Q0 E/ c4 }- c7 k. p' O/ t. Z) i/ j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, V0 _% G9 C( I% K$ J) [( B% p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 v9 H! r6 n& P, Y& D6 f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 J2 ~0 c6 i" {- S) ^5 D4 K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 X3 X, D! \7 E* }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 F! L7 e+ c& Y1 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# ]' _4 U8 ~- [6 K0 r3 Q

* T* U& A" p1 J* ?  A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 ^9 p/ `, J7 P, f$ T7 t3 T7 M9 @" \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ F& Y, |; ^( y* ^: U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; n* `1 {* b+ W/ P* A% B- |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; M9 F1 k) E; t# Z8 ]# a' ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: A2 b8 l" z0 B, O8 j以下是其他人的見解,
# O( p6 @) ~5 p% w3 A; D$ t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 q. Q7 K" \/ x
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 o/ Y) b; m: M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. `/ D; u' P# [% b. m* ]1 Z

/ [! r! L  r. H% p9 w2 q$ @6 @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& I1 H8 {8 X* X$ i5 Y& i3 t4 C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 O  o. C5 Y4 Q- p6 C9 `
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( j" q6 a6 I+ h7 p# m4 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.