Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 u& p7 a8 R& n  d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& g* T# N( k5 a' g; i6 l8 q+ {# r. FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 ~% g" c, u& O' V2 X, S$ V

$ E. `9 f# [4 o% ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... k% j6 ^7 Z  L3 b/ k6 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; g) K1 E8 v3 s* U5 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' Q: N9 N  d6 e- M- r# R
真的!!這不是反話' P0 y$ u3 o( c; H& I' \  T
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 S- T. F4 f/ G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; D! ?0 G  D8 v& D& P& {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: |- u( U+ M! U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) |) I" ]% m; E. Y$ S  L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 O/ ?3 |3 ]  }" X' R  s$ mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"# W7 ~0 p. y8 }) U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 Y; q! w# e$ \9 q: l% [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% g( E8 ?% k8 g1 e' `$ h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# P; H3 E0 p* d" C0 I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# X3 t; \5 B0 |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# G' H; ~$ K: F& E( h( R

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( I  m* e5 l6 V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 R! U& j" s% s8 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: g6 A5 S6 ~/ U- N3 u- v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.