Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 [) T) W; D3 _5 h/ X' H* ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ H" S5 W9 F1 q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% ?& F( F* W& l  p6 \1 l. y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ ]1 M6 E5 }: E, G# ~- d; H呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. ]$ B7 o8 z9 G. @2 z) _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  V% H3 o$ d7 F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% F. Z, P7 a  O6 k! F* ]8 Z9 ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 ]0 `7 ^, O2 d1 F. c9 Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, `6 h4 ?# l1 r/ J7 j' `- l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( G$ r0 Z. A% d$ U/ ?7 B/ |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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8 D0 h/ n( w* i7 q  G) }6 t$ W) ]% t4 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : E  Q2 u2 [3 l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ k7 o0 ?2 s( X2 J* p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ o0 A' w4 H0 H; c$ l"不信也沒損失"
  S  U# j* z9 J9 X4 U" {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 g9 k/ O- |3 L5 G% m6 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 W1 i8 h: U/ _+ @( c2 k6 ~# X
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it's starting because we have sins......( L+ x" w0 a; B" R$ J% p9 w& F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 b$ \/ i# p# R7 P% M
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( Y' |. ]7 t9 C. C1 p) x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 l) T, x# C  A9 }- P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 u* K6 `! W  P* a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' ^& V9 G1 k3 j, g4 H( M) E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, U5 {& [1 v- t/ K' U3 b. Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! n5 R2 R& B4 H, _2 Q) U0 q, E/ T4 k$ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% }; z. V, j; e; y

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% R1 T. x* ]" P- g7 _" D8 _9 ]/ C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& L" g0 P/ r4 k3 y6 Y$ B
.............信耶穌... ...

* ~. w( L% d' W& K! W* RRegarding the resurrection....
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& j" b% |+ |& NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.