Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' v, v1 G" ~. F: W6 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 ^# Z1 J4 m1 g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ t& f* y, c3 Y; @/ O- T道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 ]/ p; c8 e) V4 o; e" V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ Q* |* F6 G% D1 ?9 S: |; V% Q) y" WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 N7 G6 ?5 ^. PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& u3 t* V9 \+ w1 {0 i* C* g2 jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 j# O% I9 [7 n5 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- h5 y2 M1 b" B
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# E) O: K" d: L4 B; g$ _$ J
真的!!這不是反話1 b# w# K' X8 `6 V+ [6 `
因為我是情感比理性強的人* W4 O% a3 G! M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( u3 s2 L& M% N) \6 p& S
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 K+ j8 J! H/ g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' g  ?3 h( R" m% `1 ^0 E9 M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ J2 }2 g2 |. q4 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) n& k5 N2 {3 Z% uWhat a statement we have here?' r* Z# ^1 t" `! U$ P1 b) ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% E# C* p2 E& c! H6 ~' Y7 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 ]9 Z& B4 Y$ T/ J1 k. r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% O  f8 c) K6 \- l3 V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 |+ r1 i( ^% W8 [( A, ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 W2 T' o- y9 Q1 `; z6 P: b

$ r: E( {; F3 A) x) _3 a: ^it's starting because we have sins......" Q9 D3 C9 D. }* K. X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; j: o+ d5 i, Z- g  c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 Y0 j# d) P5 B1 L* }6 e7 o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: \/ K4 h4 u9 Q2 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 N) [/ h/ s9 b% ^; s$ q% R6 k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( g* d8 {! C- P, ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 ]5 L& C8 A6 [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 O0 i  U: T% z& r2 ]5 j# t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 S/ x0 ?8 L( n! K) z9 M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ i- |% [+ T( e8 _2 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 R6 o$ V$ `4 H* q; c% r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 }$ c+ z$ e, U7 H  Q4 ~- u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 B5 i; [, r( o2 I: u( N, ^

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 a0 g) t4 n3 \# p3 |# j' k
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! K! f. A- ^7 w+ @- O- P; C

* ?7 _& G$ D4 W7 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' l: i2 n* I, Y1 ^1 j

; a4 F0 e, c9 N$ D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, b$ R) h4 y3 g  Z; Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 _/ N0 @6 B. x6 M.............信耶穌... ...

$ a3 A2 K0 }9 B3 b5 B2 K5 ]Regarding the resurrection....
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& w# P7 I0 I. v( F: E- y- FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# U# `2 m3 D5 _7 @% I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.