Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 x% M8 `( }' N5 X; @我係一個連自己都吳信的人; F8 q, g7 x2 R) m" W4 O3 f# S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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6 y. {0 Z2 g. u& A" H$ p/ q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' D% S! v; U5 g% I9 Q! {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 K4 L8 ]4 J- w  ]& }! _+ }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 g; X3 V/ C9 v; G2 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 A, l( L6 I- C/ F% ]9 ^* c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, R4 J+ j$ {6 u- E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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* j0 \; o, u& G: ~  \" KWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ [) H# X" v1 d6 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( i; t! A/ i* V/ q4 J2 G& w. ~5 ~
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* }2 A4 k+ N, B% K% u1 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": }& i1 |7 @1 b: P- J8 E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......  J0 p7 U, L  x  @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 l1 W6 z% m: P/ A$ ~2 J$ ^$ o- b6 K' z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% T5 P4 X  f5 V! _/ M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ R7 U$ ]1 `+ Z/ j6 d9 w6 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 N$ g0 W& \) Y2 ]; Y' W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 {) l0 _5 p/ Y7 B* V( V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- g7 m6 m2 @# ?  I' C# p9 d3 J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 \$ l$ ?6 ^! o" p- Z) H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! `# A! H) {! U  u( t$ ?/ S5 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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. H- m! M  W0 K8 C以下是其他人的見解,7 ~2 H, c7 p$ q: b. |1 Z! [6 I3 {" w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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4 N/ R$ I( \. A3 A[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% [0 F- O# C' u, l' G8 ?* _) p
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 H" w/ p) N! Q- d.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ R) p" r. ?& N: E
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 d2 {) x1 R2 k1 g  @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.