Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 H7 @2 u' y0 `4 V/ j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  N2 e2 T' g+ q8 A( W7 n又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! \/ n0 M9 i0 m- B$ r1 I" K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 g4 `6 C2 j5 \8 ?, z# r) B2 Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! c1 |+ e. x8 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" m- V1 w7 Q, I% y& d+ Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: g( j# v& D1 |1 n: Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" G4 ^* ^& S6 C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 ^1 U8 M% M5 v真的!!這不是反話  y3 m$ A! ~5 f3 o4 l* h, g# E
因為我是情感比理性強的人
, X* _: m8 n0 i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 x4 F7 y8 Z6 Q. K* ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ E) A8 S8 K2 k+ ^6 t5 N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 Q$ V, T5 S( i7 |9 n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 U: y/ L: b  D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ [: s4 j5 J1 A7 PWhat a statement we have here?
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) H1 c7 C, Q9 J; V; N% jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . q( [. O6 s7 r1 v2 X0 D0 }

. c8 |' f- C  e0 K, o4 X3 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 M8 [& Y! k; j! d+ I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; f; y# x  b7 s; D! ]3 a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* a7 T. w- |2 M$ W# R, V2 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 x) d$ z& A2 z7 N9 s9 N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ t5 [. U% {- [4 D" U! `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' K0 j# y, E. o5 D- J

0 a7 z/ c. N4 n& X4 L+ {it's starting because we have sins......* d* N# n+ g3 |- u% `( ?3 {5 q% n5 [% y& g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 v, o6 [' N0 S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 j/ L7 t. F% |0 A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* G2 _$ I& b" D# `& w9 h  _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: M, |4 O  v2 O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 H8 E% N0 c* O6 [2 l7 B

9 f$ C9 T9 I2 ~5 c( i! E, X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 S" c. M0 x! q1 E2 t- z$ M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 S# t: d6 ]1 L0 R. q# o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ z3 ^9 Q: K: S1 X: @& M改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' I# |: r( V2 p4 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 j4 e" z) ~" h* P( v0 P$ s
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以下是其他人的見解,7 {, r) F9 {" N  g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# Z. [! A/ I- e" P$ [# r2 p' X" j
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ f5 k* n6 t0 I0 a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!9 ~1 l) E- F2 G8 ?" H$ u( `  n5 m
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 |. `5 b. o7 `  q" W) d同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 ?9 g5 \) M; l& T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 w& B' ~3 H1 F  KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' }: B$ A( Q+ c" G- O$ SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.