Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' @) T) k1 q$ y0 p' N4 J2 H我係一個連自己都吳信的人! O/ p6 m: u" T! D- i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ Y$ @- l0 K8 y" v) i% k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' I$ C. m7 `/ I5 K呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 D1 D! y# U8 F9 x. D4 Z2 }( W0 _

9 I- X  O1 x3 S/ q2 o7 tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., i/ L3 f9 x; P( E+ F0 k! Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 S! s; v3 Z% h& r' r8 r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 J" g4 j+ T; P# z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ N: @' u, Y$ e' v+ a, X* T因為我是情感比理性強的人2 U* h# T9 _0 H  T% L# i! p3 z: o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& b7 }: X/ R6 P: `- z- @, y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ m/ n5 q) A1 |( Z7 S! o( ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 X! K! D! G/ V* j! u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! _8 s3 o6 U+ G5 _- N/ p. h& z. m. Y- J

( H# E2 n( B1 Z0 R0 ?0 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) p5 G" }8 |, A5 _$ Q! P% `* EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: ^* R  s3 m% }, t6 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( W* d$ k  {6 i4 N3 R"不信也沒損失"4 `: r1 P, o. `, U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) n. Y  v% A' m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" `  L# C% s# }% jit's starting because we have sins......, J6 E; H$ B5 n1 X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   A( c! j7 {6 I* k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! {6 k. G! x2 a: X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: b  V! ^$ Q: A# V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- g3 _( l" f7 F; ]9 e% a
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" }( L  b: N" ^. y2 v% e5 Q0 W& r

/ G5 x! p- v- @, D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 [+ O) G8 d) Q0 q+ D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; g8 t; C/ \/ r7 r9 N) o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% u3 S: a) `! m& @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 Y2 m$ r- V6 p1 P, s& p" P
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 c6 Y' }0 T( ~/ E7 K! D& _宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# L( I4 T* u- C- M- L) L: O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 J* y- t, N- e5 x: b2 Z0 e* d' o信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" e/ W7 X0 E' u' `: W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 y3 m4 s4 p1 S: f) O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 z, ]1 x. u/ Z* {6 I* S: c  b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: B7 j7 T- j8 c/ K7 Y

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 {! z' k, K: v2 _3 T
.............信耶穌... ...

$ T. b$ t5 q& e1 O( u# sRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& T; R+ r% ?; Z% P; `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.