Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ b9 }7 [6 ]# t+ z8 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, Z' Z% T. Z# x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- Q# w% K, z2 o1 p% g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; A& Y1 c9 X9 ~9 X  U* @, QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 O2 O" N: j* N& x
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- r; P" k( k4 L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 C2 D- c& P# @+ ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 x/ H) E- y2 C' X8 X4 }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人. k1 f) w* ]& L5 Z$ E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) t2 k/ ~* F, E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) l) K* ]2 M5 x, J  C# A* f3 `0 H7 C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# l7 G" ^$ O! f4 L* _# X+ D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ Z8 {) ]" {' O" CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 }$ v# }' x2 U; J  j: z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 `; P0 T2 t4 [& A+ w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' @& P; T8 }# Y! |: j2 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ _9 q) _! f/ L# fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 x9 O2 G5 g, w+ A/ `- r( r

! R( Z3 O- J' e7 ^# h6 d& @it's starting because we have sins......
8 F3 e# I5 T) B5 |" P8 q5 Nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 ~0 O5 U7 E; q. w5 F
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ V! V$ {- ]1 l

! _: p2 t, U3 l& }* L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. H  a3 d( R$ X% X; |1 M8 B4 V- i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 M5 m" N- P, }; c: D' D

; K% i  b1 C! v! A9 S7 ]/ d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 n+ d& d' x' F! a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  {3 l) @7 j/ K4 w2 M6 d. L! Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* K! d% t  V' y- P8 [1 f6 d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ h1 C1 F) {9 {6 C# ]. i0 a& k& w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: j! O, l1 z& B# k, p& B
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% a) R6 y/ m0 a) }) k: M

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.