Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 a7 K! H# w: P% M: ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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" L; u* w; p6 Z& \; Q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 ~. d' F' z2 B呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* M4 A( Q2 Q/ d4 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ I1 r- m) v- n2 _4 Q, @; }
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 W/ ]9 F( u. e, M! g

) W/ Z0 d1 d3 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; e, j+ ~1 l3 f( q2 S: z2 G0 O

9 `: p0 Y/ ^' lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. d& s1 B. a+ v7 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* l7 M% |1 Y9 A8 h5 E5 j  f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* ~0 ?, y! s9 w% U& G- m
真的!!這不是反話2 y9 j# y1 a1 G1 w4 w
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% @! A" x  I, v9 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 _) u. W% b6 V( k( Z: B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* r/ V  h$ t" Z3 \# R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: s& I" g6 p8 o8 t; y) d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ W& f: g# }' jWhat a statement we have here?" |9 `8 N* [5 J& J/ P
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ B1 M$ L$ P1 N4 v. T1 C. ]

$ z7 @! M3 ^: D+ gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ b; ?; g0 O6 k
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* Q+ h2 d1 l* P5 f7 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ y: W& z* o. x0 P- A- o# ~! D4 I- r" G) S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 ^) ]* m2 ?4 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....../ y% a% F3 l* E6 P, T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 E: J+ s; S7 J- ?( \+ O) {2 Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". q2 t/ D5 J1 s- ]9 O, Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 {6 _: K0 H+ k* k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ E+ B( r# Z# M. o2 x% U6 w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 [7 X$ \1 a: A4 _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 j( W$ L  r/ j0 P, g, `; N$ B+ t7 z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, x0 I% U* t' |: M$ z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; U* V. h5 k: t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 _8 T7 X# U1 `; l& X
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 t; C% ]2 k* R) w& f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& \& `+ x% E. L$ f/ p: L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! M3 D9 P- H8 U, L+ F5 g, b
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 Y3 h; S* l6 Q" D9 i; ~
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 u  X8 o  ]" H4 j/ C5 G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' }0 z: ~/ G' g' U% E$ Q
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以下是其他人的見解,0 q7 O" t/ X2 c7 q) ~0 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 S/ l" K8 X. ]8 E

8 ]4 X4 b4 C8 Q( K0 F, t6 U% b* i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 ^1 _7 M7 H- ~8 t! v4 y% w5 c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- w; s% P. k+ z* z  l7 W1 h

. n3 b6 U: z$ B6 W: b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, K( p3 b1 M6 J  ?! X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 L- w, D5 P  F* q6 k: `" q) Z! S
.............信耶穌... ...

/ h/ A) X1 x- ?+ N! Z  bRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- u6 a. n9 I* x- b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.