Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. Z1 I9 d4 {1 C  N$ W我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 S9 ~- }' f6 D& S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" _* ^) p5 g1 {. }2 o  f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  W6 z4 Z, f8 t$ w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( c9 s- E) U( i

3 [% W' b+ C2 @2 MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 J3 v3 [6 `2 S5 s

* `- A- u) h6 L' S+ }mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 N! G' t3 O) b% g& ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* Z' |( O: b7 }) u' `- C, n
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... R6 p/ a, [) l( A$ D# L% }; e
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 Q7 B: X) j& H$ X' W* g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 m4 e) y1 T8 K: G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 ^8 O" E& e: `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- M) ]* r3 D. Q8 w( M' a4 yWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' ]7 B/ z( k! Z# }3 H4 y

/ W, H- x- H) m# H# A! ~& DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 Q! W2 {" N2 B9 b( H% f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 C. J: L; k" i) obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 C# ~9 P" i$ o0 c+ P8 {$ }
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 S7 k  g0 a7 J. Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- r4 X; M/ Z2 r* K/ F. P- h* f
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! }7 w. ?# M/ z; P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ |4 n7 K1 P$ z- {: Z* Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# M8 }+ `6 S$ I. c' E5 F. H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; w( x! z3 r! B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 }( _" S. a! q) u" n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 V- `% }  W: P! x: l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& q% p/ q- M) J
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- }6 C4 x% n# k5 a' l: s
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 L6 e7 U1 K+ [% F* a( A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- Q+ `% g5 A% A1 k

+ j: z4 R; ^$ L7 w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 U: q/ T8 v0 V  M' i

" H& w# R# p9 I& w0 ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 A" X! d# |( F! f1 M# m. }

! `% `' V9 i! y7 {0 v0 Y7 h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  w. w4 T. r4 o- Q. h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; I: T6 X9 S& q

0 O& w) D" K% z9 M- w, \; @5 IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.