Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; w3 Q  G; n( ^. a7 g5 C: _; B我係一個連自己都吳信的人, f( K) v3 ~3 A: T; p: w2 a" l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 Z/ U8 U* b2 q9 m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# b1 u- c% n( [+ N; h' _2 a; {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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. N* T- Z- U& F5 A8 Y8 gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; ]' l5 D! T0 }0 n& k" C: h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 d4 ]  a0 O4 K; @2 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ s& C* z( {$ i& E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# T# O6 M0 ~! E7 p8 ~
真的!!這不是反話
; @% ]) M4 B: ~( v# k) k9 S因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) S' X9 G* R, F& y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# D9 ]. p% H! L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 t* R$ w/ E- ^- G* X4 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( N$ b0 F5 D2 |% {: Z. x& t" NWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * z- R% q; P7 Q+ i# Q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 |  d) |) W4 G
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, ]/ n; ], E7 O# `& @

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; w" Y8 `0 W3 w  f# t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  F4 o  I$ b& D' W" q% b+ D"不信也沒損失"
+ q' f/ L4 ~# ~5 MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' x, Q& H; e2 H" w. ]3 X. Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 k0 D) c5 A% Z1 c2 D* c+ hit's starting because we have sins......9 C% I0 t4 E7 v& X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   c6 b* e/ a3 Y/ e- k2 q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% [5 d, |- `2 L8 O只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* j! T) K' X! N( I+ p( \' ]' p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 U7 r0 H# p% D4 U) v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* w& `! }9 k- o% p! T8 f4 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 j9 F1 h8 n) s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 k1 \& k- B+ M# t1 |8 q' o

4 X' s0 S7 A' s) A8 A0 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 y, L( C" W4 R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  ~7 Q2 u; j1 W7 i& F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( V' t% u% B/ m; w4 M. _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 M5 X( ~. I7 W! A! B$ m5 ]! g. C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 j- ?4 l  _8 b/ \5 j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* T5 b4 V& j- o  z% d

" l5 y8 H- w! Q/ |% J; ^吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# R6 _  R, q  b# H9 j  A. L/ ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,0 w1 y( ?. {4 S) P0 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# Q% `' _7 e8 s5 ^
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 P3 L( C) U  U1 d$ J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ o  ?& o, K" _% z8 ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. \4 S% b  x7 J4 L$ x0 e' I
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: Y$ ~9 }4 Z% Y+ F+ I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ F# ?9 V% [8 F; `# P
.............信耶穌... ...

' h6 A" s$ o5 M* v: ORegarding the resurrection....
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, ?7 E; C' e; n. F% B; i8 T/ Y( r* aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.