Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 c) [3 R3 N7 C' N+ c' ]+ X6 G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 t% @/ J- Q& p0 b, q: D( G& Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# ]  o/ I+ w" [+ T& Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 F% i0 S, Y# m9 t* x
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# |$ T1 s/ k+ l, ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 v+ }1 ^% a7 h1 t* ?! b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ L, \$ Y! ]2 x$ Y( N& O7 Z

6 ^; Z/ x. N1 ?5 l6 Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& r' c1 b$ y  }2 b: q

! {5 a) R- M, o! E' A9 I0 C0 bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- E4 \' \. B; d: [9 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 R" |0 o+ _. X, u9 r9 W, t' Y$ w% k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ D8 n1 C& L  H& A& X
真的!!這不是反話
2 B& b3 N8 ]7 u3 [因為我是情感比理性強的人9 B& w8 T$ L4 C, v& u" y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& N' o, }) k  ?6 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 [( _$ `8 @! g1 ]1 D8 G' X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 b" Y" M5 @  E. G. B9 cWhat a statement we have here?- F1 }# z. W$ A  q+ h" s

4 R" s# \9 [* O& ~. d1 m# DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 r8 c. D% W5 V' L/ i$ `

- l, t6 |6 [8 x/ `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' b4 c: P- D( L6 D7 z8 RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( ?& D) D7 G9 l/ _# {/ U8 u$ {

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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" Y6 D! H* F: D) C+ w"不信也沒損失"* A% d" M3 d# }, e4 S4 B4 x8 S% o$ |* e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 c6 c% p& c: C: p) W' @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
. a, _7 X6 C5 rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# E# O9 l* z. w9 Lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 @4 ^# s' [' Q5 [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: @8 w+ P! q) V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' d: ^. ]& w  N4 B* z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# h, o% b0 ]6 t; l! W7 f* a3 y! V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 Z. z1 o3 N  N# ?: j9 C% G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  `. v3 f# B) @2 k2 F; e$ B! W) f- ^

. M+ {, `, t! d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 X# K2 X: ?5 s8 A+ B, Z% o4 n7 P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ a0 a/ u  V7 y, a1 I% P2 C

* c8 h# E2 f: a5 e7 A* D. r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 i; I% X# h5 J& ^' f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& f' _. u" Y9 l1 V, }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 r, T" @* Q$ y4 l8 B) r( D0 @

: k% G3 c  s/ Z7 C宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, r3 [; [! u1 A5 R$ j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* g: t. J4 e5 J( M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( P$ _" a2 W4 J( S! G5 m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' K+ }: a* z# Q( [% y. M! g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm8 K" z4 K% N! X9 ]6 n* Q4 i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: p9 A- c% Z+ y4 `2 k

' T9 W+ h5 f& L4 ~# F- j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" X- i( @+ Q4 `* X9 V.............信耶穌... ...

9 V; d- j  s4 Z1 T7 J! ?/ uRegarding the resurrection....; p6 M  N# s! P

- ?& N9 @1 C6 |$ _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... O2 N# A/ V7 v7 n- a  g7 }0 C# M

$ S1 Z7 x6 J, t. s- o0 c  B4 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.