Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% C0 V# `- [# ?2 O. L% |0 X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 U6 f- j4 @' _  ?' ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 K' c( L' k/ P* }8 m% d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; t6 \) p! f/ t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# b9 F8 X* Q1 O. T0 g* d9 b! XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 Z: a% g, s5 n; M* l

. N: f9 _7 e6 y4 j( vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 z) d% b4 ]2 j( a7 E; N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% W/ \% m$ v# {, U/ j% E% ]: C: S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( {* \6 X2 D1 f3 B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 q+ B, _  w. b$ \9 ~& Q# ]! _真的!!這不是反話
: Q+ u: P. y4 c6 l( e因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 \& W5 F( R9 z2 s" ^# y: m% h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! z, R8 G+ g+ K/ j0 P+ z8 `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# S! q' P, @0 A* {3 z+ i% d4 U9 ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?+ _- V# d' U( u6 p. v" A

& u# }( @1 b9 N  B+ TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 u0 o0 c0 a* }" k$ I+ x6 O1 \
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) Z, R. F: \* p" Z, k

+ x7 a1 q. \7 I; E1 ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  r7 X8 C( d. i. p- n* Z2 J5 B8 ~: j

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- i+ C" ^; o$ c3 B9 y+ P; j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  y2 V: H. i4 K- Y& m2 U"不信也沒損失"
% x/ a! s9 A" C8 gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# I4 ?1 }$ u8 t( g& @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ p3 ]" B. ?9 _3 G- [+ T/ N4 P: }it's starting because we have sins......4 l& A8 q: U! ^3 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 Z# Y/ r; b1 u. ^# ~$ wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# r8 j/ J. \( ^: I( N2 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% K3 i5 I3 o' t, r! ^9 Z# ?4 m4 p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: g9 G- z% M; \: S3 [* \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; _+ N) y$ g3 o$ U3 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& W+ F" ^! W1 q* {$ R- w) j) m  i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& [9 L& E" R, I; F4 T" L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- e7 Y, a$ g: l8 d/ L+ J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% p+ S2 G: {" v8 L) p/ h& V

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9 i$ E9 Q2 Q. ~  Q( v; J7 y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 a, ]  t8 E; i" k& z0 }美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 V; ]  c0 l4 \9 D% m# D: X1 M% o: {以下是其他人的見解,
- _; ~9 |3 R0 q; E) N4 u看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 c! K. h1 M& J' H
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' q9 o0 y1 _: C* \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( d- I2 O5 t" ?) n+ z$ J" `

9 _* c+ f6 S: ^1 p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 K9 X  Z/ i: S& b( ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% r8 e1 q" A- r3 Z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 p& z- T2 |. K6 m
.............信耶穌... ...

# r: H$ }3 C2 J# l6 r' ^6 WRegarding the resurrection....
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& R' ?6 a9 a+ CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 {. ?5 y, X, I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.