Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 o8 |0 [- O. g5 a% @" n/ q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: T$ G5 O. y. _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 ?/ i- Y0 e- @* |5 Z1 l( p* INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ v# q6 b/ l& P3 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 i+ T- p. K2 @9 y% Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... |% _8 P6 U! Z8 j( p2 R& I

# e: J- b9 |7 }; _  ?  X" Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 Y/ n' K; g5 `* E5 m  Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ U4 p* D$ K' H- X8 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 o- h. I! T) ~' y+ F; V
真的!!這不是反話" u8 \7 E- [; d
因為我是情感比理性強的人) \% W* a+ E1 i( {! F+ ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ ~7 U# o. \* i, w  C- o" Q2 S3 l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 E, D* m3 A5 Y' c" J4 ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 f  i( I9 M5 l  Z0 K2 ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 e: J1 E! `0 Q& @4 k0 \8 V. c3 e( g2 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! K8 N, P; M  q! R+ {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 K0 ^1 W" o3 g7 J% w- M5 {$ tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 i8 m# w( \& E+ b& x" K  }7 f: n

, G1 y# f) f" t* P6 ]4 N' m2 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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& h5 N/ J0 x2 w' c, g- Y5 \"不信也沒損失"
( L! n0 f2 f9 w, `8 uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 C/ O0 f8 x  x! q: v" k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% e2 R' m; T" }$ kit's starting because we have sins......
4 u) m3 l. T# F7 C3 [# S* tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - D6 e  U8 g4 ^" [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 Q; J* Y9 a* G/ P# i$ {; O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 f$ |  H3 g' R( b+ A0 d# O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 g4 F; K5 y. H+ }9 `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 y6 y& }) v. _8 @9 E3 L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 {/ p3 p( m) s% S1 S8 h6 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 \7 O2 b) g. g7 |7 B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; m+ ^. g! u& C5 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," v" b; Z5 X; m9 v- z& }: Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 N. y1 Y: d& r; t% \8 t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,: w9 g, Q1 u1 [. v8 d: r8 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& P3 \7 Y1 j3 M  p7 ?

- J- C. P* w9 x4 S/ I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 z, G0 c( R4 i( W8 M$ \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! L2 g, G& y! S5 t8 n+ j# G

/ i. o+ i* C* l" o5 M9 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.