Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 \3 G9 s6 J2 m0 H$ E) [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 Y2 @0 |7 u# ]! l/ S又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 K, ^3 }( i# P$ g/ _- C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- {3 S" p8 ~+ [6 W# x5 J. F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 F" O) I/ x6 P3 h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. V' ?8 ~3 Z0 X/ o- D( ]; p5 k" tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 [6 n, m8 a: J6 @7 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 @5 d' Z. A0 D3 h3 \& Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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! _2 D8 @( G8 s+ C) y因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) O9 h6 G( w# G+ }( e! ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# @: O9 ~1 t1 B" y" H+ f* |% `' B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?, t) C8 f' i0 K% {
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." n( m9 I: ~6 w7 x, ]* `
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  @" i' P' \& F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") G* n! b  ^6 @1 s- l% t1 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, ^, x- u+ m# E) Y; x# b. P. Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 z/ P2 Y& i  h7 j

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * v# A$ L7 F3 b5 U: f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 |- \* q( e7 x& D* |. n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 O2 F5 _# G0 w
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; I; j! i% z# g, R' ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& o6 y. U- \5 B' }& t( y" R

: y/ y0 q+ X  c0 n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, Q3 V0 {' P( B2 S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 Y4 h$ A/ R+ P1 x6 [/ `! ]+ e: J9 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ P% \! f7 s7 N* e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 L) m# I* w) A. u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 ^; z7 c7 p/ a

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7 \( s& a) h% e! e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 p7 |0 W) U0 e# J: @1 A' g( `

2 ^- ~% {, a( G% z7 v) U* U6 T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. K$ I9 j0 X3 h) D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.