Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 m6 @5 [  U3 @: M7 F9 t# d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  @7 z% r. D8 P$ Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* M: l! O' p6 L2 \4 C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( }2 ^' `! l* K% s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  l7 e) U& n0 A* q- L

* S) f) ^( F. z. Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% F6 p( E3 w& e: |0 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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  \& H! P) u* l# m; j所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  r! R  n2 {3 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! G2 @7 Z1 F, A" v/ x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, _  G5 i/ g; Q7 b0 @& zWhat a statement we have here?5 c! q  [3 o9 A0 V, M

% ^: z- I6 u; `+ \+ l1 @' c+ ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , [1 U2 N, b: E, r8 ?( a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 K- P( L! @) }9 r; i" r7 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, E, I2 z& o( J; L"不信也沒損失"! e9 g6 u& [2 F7 t* W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 q8 M" p3 z+ T$ ~/ g0 ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 `; k9 ]/ ?& _5 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; U6 {+ I( h+ e8 D2 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) ?* J  r% A. I# w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 h! P1 h! f$ k

0 \' D2 d( Z5 w$ b+ {" `2 u( D- h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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' j, C6 z4 c0 g9 r! T+ f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  e! Q4 `1 ~* `+ h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- ?3 ], J  D3 ~, ?信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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% K7 h& \0 l1 E1 J, m8 g) [, N& e以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! ~1 j$ }$ ~) R6 ~$ x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 S3 d! ~1 i2 a% f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. f4 ~" K# m! S4 u/ E# x3 L. m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 P. }0 W1 V2 z- E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.