Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 ?& D8 w! d1 c' F我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; E3 q7 ^* @# }) C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  p9 X1 |: |! Y/ Y2 Y0 w: ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到& _; s8 h' e2 e# I& B$ q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# Z5 j7 _+ q4 g6 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 s+ A* A6 L+ b1 Q( q" ~9 |) @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 _% U# @2 u5 S% ~1 n0 [我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 \; ]2 t' J4 ?# u
真的!!這不是反話2 f' o6 q/ {8 w; t: v0 T  A4 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 ]# A' v6 l1 N) D0 B- @' i
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% H: y* g5 r* a7 F* j" E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ m, g7 X5 I, a7 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- s4 O2 S6 d0 G3 V* N5 H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  x* ?6 E% Y2 u6 h. S* R% g' W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ O5 E, e6 Z9 I& \  c( z1 yWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. \7 {; @# N5 k0 [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) g$ C7 T) l. }9 X0 W
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: h2 s- H. v$ g: p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 M4 k2 `. Q) t9 _4 O$ e4 Q1 D"不信也沒損失"
* J7 O, z" I  q3 R- @/ {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 ^. s) O7 N6 W4 G% U( Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 H) I. J# |9 Z- u

$ h5 ]) d( G3 f! X6 G% C5 @it's starting because we have sins......; _: K. a3 R( ]3 ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / z+ K% @& {  {& z5 ]! g3 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 Q  ^0 e7 t' {0 r1 N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 i# Q0 c1 }: @; u7 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ f6 c9 o2 M1 A0 @. H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- f. J* k; l( J0 v7 n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: Q) d* G2 p: T$ c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, ?  U* x, U! M; d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  y! B# H/ |) E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 w  O+ j: t  c) b

; T0 j/ j+ n) y% g2 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) o  p) n! {& P1 x0 r' |, k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 N3 m( i' }/ `! `7 y8 I1 h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 U. y" W7 G2 N) F& M3 y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* G" b+ s# p6 Q" X; K/ D# |) y

& L$ n' X- i+ q! {1 Q& X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% k# V; g( X/ R9 ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: s* ~9 f/ o. e4 D" V& F

; ^% k$ y3 N2 P# C  U+ @5 ~以下是其他人的見解," A! a4 S" n/ Y2 n5 w5 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ t% W, G, H7 S% e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm1 F) M1 s8 u! [
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 u, w3 ]5 r& z: ]8 `% @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 ]  l! h/ q) O. t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" O( t7 |; H8 \6 f9 o% i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 k+ k6 H* L7 j& b.............信耶穌... ...

; z, a+ x' `0 Q( I- v4 r* N5 {Regarding the resurrection....: ]4 h1 |# w* u

% A2 Z# Q) H1 u: s$ ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, k+ K: x8 f, }' \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.