Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. v: d" @* L* z" z2 |- `我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) g7 f2 z2 n; m7 C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! O& k, D/ F0 u/ [1 D, s4 S, s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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  Y5 s6 D- Y' G; d/ x, {0 _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 O% [4 a9 K7 v: w( T# _+ y6 F

7 }6 Y+ o# L8 B( F$ d3 w2 U. fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ W/ K; v2 G5 k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ x: t6 P. R1 d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 Q6 r) l: n' ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................* u7 o- X7 \) ^( N. O+ G7 h
真的!!這不是反話
% N7 G1 t3 R9 F) v  D( N# y因為我是情感比理性強的人4 {, R+ y; A9 \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 u  l' v) B; r1 v; {$ m( e, P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 v  c6 D% t& i9 l. T9 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ P! i" \2 r+ _6 v) B6 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. ]' ?( e5 W$ M# }What a statement we have here?
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( {, y7 ~+ P2 iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) o6 P. o* p& v) d) H# R6 g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 I. S) I5 j( w) U* g- d0 @- [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ o/ l8 o- D; ~# V4 S, T+ a, O# A2 O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, X) \  Z" v& A# z9 K) AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... B9 z( f/ o: E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 l9 P/ q5 i; W4 ^: a# Xit's starting because we have sins......$ O2 T& p3 {2 J4 e% q0 w" O$ J' V+ x# [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . V. A' Q. e" a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", p% S3 f; f# b( e7 V) {4 w0 ?& R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& E" |8 {$ P+ _0 U* V: A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- o' `3 q5 l+ s. m. ?5 C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; G4 I% I; b! W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! `$ N: V/ }2 `1 j% _2 o8 W% Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  c4 C! s: }$ V, O, y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* p$ n9 M2 C, |+ C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( C6 H/ R5 a$ q( u! |/ Y" ~# y& {9 y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 k- a3 h3 b$ G% Y7 K2 R$ ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ R2 Z- K5 R5 s- R" U, y# w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' x& n- c6 X: o. z; ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. @# u# K' e2 F4 v以下是其他人的見解,3 I# G. f6 |6 o1 t9 t* T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, f/ G5 J+ |  s  T
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 k+ s- F. e1 J4 l
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; g+ Z% E! x7 H* G/ b- g8 J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 n$ ?: K0 ~, Q" v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 X# h6 n8 I" N" }- d! C; l.............信耶穌... ...

  D* ~7 D  \! f' k& I5 h) `$ I8 {Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., `! T* H' G  `

( ?( _, q8 d) hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.