Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' y0 ~/ }( e9 S0 t8 H3 V我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 w! Z+ ^( K$ T) d; b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! j: X/ y5 Z1 f/ X5 ]( F道理我知道好多只係做吳到. [6 @; A* i; ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ E: [/ v  X$ j2 Z

$ u* q2 Z% W4 j6 |' B5 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; S0 L5 V9 p* h" q% R, C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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# |3 S9 X. f" Z因為我是情感比理性強的人- [6 L# x9 w. D5 Y- `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; V' v: @) i) t9 Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 m; t4 L$ e# s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 A3 k" o4 K7 D" w2 a2 u# v5 P6 W, G7 ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* ^7 Q+ `& V- Y* O! V7 f- k- j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' n# v) g* ]' y. g7 aWhat a statement we have here?
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1 ~  M' C/ [, I+ ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' J% x4 Q, S7 ?1 J; a3 }1 l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- \: C; w! z' `% i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' f: i/ b0 ?5 U$ x5 j4 [" g) c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ p- {% B7 T( O/ c7 g0 e
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it's starting because we have sins......
& N8 }) A; F3 U1 I- usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 e- S9 V" b1 w. A0 @% Y6 Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& t+ `8 W7 }$ c8 ]2 T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 k% [3 ~+ Y* m6 ~+ W9 o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 P, |6 Z& b3 f+ @; l+ N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 W& o, {4 x2 h# v+ ^) {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! L& ?; k7 I2 ?- ]9 C- z+ H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 w& f/ i# w6 I2 ?好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% \1 c. _3 |4 Y2 e$ p
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 F# Q, z1 b: k/ ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  t0 D+ b9 P! x; F; J9 a* b9 t# t. O! E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* d# s; W2 ?% u3 t" l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 D) a' x9 h9 V3 t: |4 _4 v以下是其他人的見解,
' X  G9 ]  v; H* @7 `看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ x) y0 b+ |$ k
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' f& _& a+ R+ Y! J) y6 e" Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! e! I4 M9 L: E' E9 h5 t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% i. p9 j: y2 v, v

1 e& n* Y1 g* `; b4 `2 F% I/ ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 ?  @1 E- i- J# @$ H.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 d# U, ~1 {- R6 j
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ D4 f' }+ D+ Q3 ^  [, \& [! @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.