Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 Y, V: l' R5 k5 r  X7 r: p' G. b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' b, F& U* n7 \+ W; q* o又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. H( W+ }, X; e% j' d: z+ v道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 T* O( d( I$ y8 K! S% _3 C: y9 ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% Z. z8 P9 x  C/ M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 @1 }; u0 K" y8 e3 ~

) b5 n3 i- O" h! j1 S( umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 i2 z/ e$ p5 f/ \3 }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% s! R" N  Q& w0 L: Y5 [' K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# k4 F! S, ]# m' c+ C/ \
真的!!這不是反話1 w; I2 g4 ^9 y5 \, |  R! w
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 l$ E  B0 _" |! F( z# E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 B6 k" {# \" g* Q, P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" b$ {6 p9 M5 L8 i- b; `* w1 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   e6 d/ o2 `, M; V9 h5 @' @
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- q$ K& T: U! ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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3 @% }  ?& `. f/ \& _: p1 n9 m"不信也沒損失"
" x  M7 |  L+ a8 v2 D, I! jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 L* `& N5 G6 x8 N& j4 Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# @2 y* t, Z7 ?8 X# D

- C; Y7 C. ?% q& a& \& z' sit's starting because we have sins......
. o% y( w& d" L7 h, K6 @! V, esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: q0 z/ H$ A' K. J% cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ s( M( l0 m, v/ E8 C# B) \2 c, V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- _! K8 H+ t% c+ R8 M, J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ H- F! P, g8 K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' G! y/ T) S7 r( b  ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; l* @% E) a' k" f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. L2 {" v: ^. u: K6 B: ?# r2 h( U

5 L+ M4 \6 s$ Z9 T! U, a+ r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 C3 E/ {* e+ T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. j9 Y0 P9 y& c7 L% ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 J7 I  N1 G' `. R4 y, d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 x% Z% h2 t* e; b5 e/ O8 E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& w3 L* J6 F1 G/ H/ k
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 s+ k/ J9 \7 ]( V$ r0 K: g

9 |6 f5 ]" l! V: Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# f0 V  d( l3 |# m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" f2 S. N3 s+ ]: W

8 m( ~  }7 U! g5 E" {5 _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* \3 s0 e. q& U" v/ ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., k: ~4 d7 ^8 O/ p% Q/ t+ t

2 b/ x( f$ A/ ~  e5 AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 a5 T& b+ Q; l1 C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.