Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 l' y) X% b+ t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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2 u& F( o4 \, z; A9 d% ~8 f2 JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 u; [6 |4 a8 D+ z8 @

2 @4 F) P. V+ ~! L1 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 y) W; s. C+ c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, K; x) J2 Q2 b0 I, w% S3 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 Y8 @) _1 v+ C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + Q' ]+ }; L* e& {6 T6 D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 O" b$ d9 `! G, z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失": c& y6 c# v/ [  r; q  o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! _1 x; e$ @2 P3 z+ M" [2 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' ~% g% t" K* U

0 D) p- T: x4 Q7 p2 U& _it's starting because we have sins......4 b" Y7 r0 u) [5 m2 W4 s  A7 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) V7 W. I/ e% b& A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 f% N3 e9 a. u5 G* p. r) [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 G; Z! P% z5 L3 G* _6 j9 t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  n. W3 w" h) Y6 u4 [5 s9 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- I) D4 F! P9 k9 o( \

, @6 w% s+ i$ |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! |1 A% p. J& s' n3 I( r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 E1 c2 a% [  N1 k2 ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... C3 D0 v+ v5 p* _

4 f' {' }) X7 B! _0 @: s, E( F宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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+ t5 k- ]; f6 p0 r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- _3 W) t3 F' P. u6 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 v$ N6 ^1 l6 F1 l+ F; i以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 _" K3 g5 Z, _5 f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 V" x* \2 a$ d4 o" V9 Z

) J/ s8 l2 G, E' g9 v- M6 k0 u. Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 |& K2 z$ A* O
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: R; R) b+ m9 K( E, p9 H

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.