Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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0 i* A/ }# `0 h' Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( O" i9 T( Q) i3 C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% [/ u  Z6 y. b1 s; D( O& Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 ~  T* X0 q4 x* G5 _! m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 D: |2 _( y7 p% d" l( q3 X

+ ]' Z+ p! U4 M( Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... z; `$ B! x9 \+ u# T8 ^# {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  `2 @+ s0 c& |' L) ?9 B; S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* |5 V3 S/ A8 B$ V$ X
真的!!這不是反話6 Y4 R: d$ V8 U
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% e/ H& l8 H# O$ k' ^5 Y) j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# r) k: N7 J) k3 u$ h8 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 o) K% ]- i1 C  _! z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 Q2 A' q6 B( {/ \; D; T9 xWhat a statement we have here?- ^& L$ x7 G9 u, d8 Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * _2 P! F$ ~6 ^4 ?4 `- g: H

5 m: l8 P' }+ f* CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) G: N5 t! H! H8 r! u$ u+ DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) J5 H' f: m* ?5 u8 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 N7 I! G: m3 n/ j, [* @0 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" o) k) [$ @7 k4 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 N1 @4 s& C: K( b5 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & f: ^2 J& N% j- ~- O' p) b5 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 ~# p8 h& v5 w; C: Q! G% _只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 Q* a- a$ L/ b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: x  V& p! I$ A0 c+ M" J1 D4 R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 s. q( n. H& _' k3 p$ j! A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ c+ z' o- {9 W/ E. @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 g3 \+ K5 ?8 s. W4 M9 j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 Q/ K! G2 o, K% w, Z4 Y4 F1 b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* ^" V9 x+ l8 N4 [
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 p) q7 f; Y* k4 Q! z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: Q! J. E1 L0 t5 A9 \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 `6 t" [. {6 }9 \2 r
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 d4 N' C6 x3 G# Z

6 S' r0 J" U. F# w5 u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! V3 l7 u* D3 ]6 O9 k" T) X& ?) Y+ \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ Z+ y9 h# i9 W, h0 M+ G3 m/ T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ }0 U: G0 p; k% b0 e2 l

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....2 k* Z; e" G/ h  b+ q

0 m- y4 r' W& C/ K3 m6 w$ u) YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." n. X8 D% o7 z/ T/ T
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.