Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 p% z) a  c- w' J8 w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: Q+ R1 X' z  |2 P又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( ^, S8 I" {- _/ U" X1 W道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 B$ A( S. X$ n( L- E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: G1 W5 h, z4 T" p/ D

1 r, U( o6 C$ R2 l5 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& U, W4 A5 \: y+ G9 R( Z9 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ j! v$ Y8 [0 o( Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ X9 E- d0 J4 W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 i8 `( Y2 }( f3 K2 m4 G, ^4 K2 w真的!!這不是反話5 f" b6 U* e0 C* B/ n' a/ v
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 |$ C0 @- [8 f( X# x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 R, r2 }* i: q+ B* a7 o* v1 d5 b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 [# [% H, O) `0 w8 s/ N1 \7 a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' q: k" E  p9 F; ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 t2 R6 w" h. B' G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% B" f0 F, C, N2 mWhat a statement we have here?  |$ X( m( Y+ O8 e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 o  X2 Q8 E+ o1 y8 I) z

( {; ~6 H+ }6 C6 d# v! gI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 F9 ]- X2 _) e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 y; B+ G$ D5 l+ V" u; q1 g
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 b  d1 R6 m# h8 V- X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. v7 A4 Z; D% O' u( E! N; X1 @  ^5 g"不信也沒損失"
2 e: v- Y, U! P5 K' vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 a$ y5 b) O8 T* e5 mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 }. k  ~/ k# l: N( e
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 _; s. @" B8 H+ t+ Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 C# a4 A* r; `) [4 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 z1 Z  s3 |. O( X# R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# V& v* [" D7 U( B# G
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 d. _% K) K: d) P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 e* V, y; m, R5 q$ g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! t, ~6 e4 N; S1 M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 Y* A2 w' w8 E: @7 `/ b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; T# R, d5 W6 J! ^! Z: q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  G  a* w/ w2 W, \* @4 l3 L

, Q& t- p( O% Z$ u" i* t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 h6 |" H$ ^% t- Q" Z5 S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 |; m1 E; c# Z" w$ M4 g+ z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 \5 H$ E8 i) y4 r

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 P# D8 A% B, |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* O6 m: U* g7 g) ?. ^, k3 O- V  W0 }

1 }+ c. l: Z3 p6 y  P8 h- ~: a以下是其他人的見解,2 f8 s+ G. c' s8 S) T( Q5 }2 Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, }+ w, O) o0 |9 R2 X3 V, m

4 k* D. a1 X. V' J, L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- _/ j8 l' {/ V  t% B7 t! Y( @( b/ E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ t3 K5 ~3 S! O3 n5 B/ y

* t3 s5 u4 C/ _( G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) z5 G/ M# C* v9 f

/ K2 a% G8 B1 s+ _" c' A$ y2 H同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* s$ H5 i7 Z+ c4 u! g.............信耶穌... ...

  l8 W* q+ ]( CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ ?) C' x( a& K/ O) _

/ |: V- M4 L/ l+ j+ IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.