Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 T6 |7 a/ }; s& E6 k; d4 M/ _我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" [, m, l! ^/ _又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 }' @9 g; M- r7 |0 @% J0 A2 |6 u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& Y7 {: n8 g4 R' I) A+ A呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 b; C* o! `" c8 K6 Y% |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 O7 \4 s  h5 m8 H3 G7 N
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 o! N: T$ m4 W" P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ C/ n$ d+ {/ L, F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, C5 q; g7 n* T
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ Y- N: A# }# J* w8 p
真的!!這不是反話
+ ?5 y/ V) F6 W7 \, }8 J+ x因為我是情感比理性強的人; P) u8 s- n: I& Z2 x# c& r1 J; h
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# e8 m: a* c$ F+ o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 F0 K4 R; i! m8 B- ]* V1 A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 v7 w1 R" S4 ?) C% n& H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- }" }% n# s6 @! @3 o; _9 m0 f) w( bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! p3 g4 u5 L2 S  c6 }) n9 q) a* M

6 o; L- t$ T6 m- [% o* UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 C) W& i5 M: c" j4 H5 f

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 g: `' K! p/ j+ C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, U) f- O5 E8 H9 \1 dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 Y! w9 S$ R, t2 P) p5 c! Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' t- n, T) G( L; C+ ]2 U# V

: H6 X: Q- K0 M/ zit's starting because we have sins......5 Q6 X4 V: h9 ?5 |1 ~0 @2 t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / F9 b  y' ~3 n* P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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/ b8 G  I: D& o0 a, x, C% W5 m1 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  S, F3 I8 Y: w4 i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- j$ f# L) ?% ]. _( b8 z, z4 K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 r, q; _2 M0 q& d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, G& z! m" z8 L6 g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& {, f) j' ~3 B1 x- J, M% r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# \  i4 C. |/ w8 u8 ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) U: s! z8 [) s" j# h+ j0 s/ i) }- D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ C! s3 l' r( @: j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( }3 t, Q! J8 ~) M. `% O
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以下是其他人的見解," }" U- m. w4 v' A4 M' P0 S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* |5 b7 {! v. g, N- }/ I8 }5 Y& C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ V  r5 l9 I+ w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  n' {1 O2 K" k5 G

# v, m& a7 u7 @8 M, [( y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! }7 k* v7 ]1 O1 q6 L1 u# k, i( G  p.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.