Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 h- l, t3 |. G: }- ]5 r我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, n9 x3 M" U# V% A$ }6 w7 S2 N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 B0 O; |2 I" K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, y: ]2 X) `/ g5 e3 ^6 D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* p6 H9 h% B; X% B7 c( m6 KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 \$ \& Q+ C; W. ~

. Z) o- I$ U9 ~0 Z* B. f, ^! `% ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 F# f- o3 t, q9 e; w7 N

- O  z& {2 W; \4 c6 F4 P* ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 ?# a* x7 p% j  o+ Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 A1 U3 C% B- P) K, g. {7 F, R+ `
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... T3 D* Z) f4 |( v
真的!!這不是反話! H. M  j$ r9 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人+ u& m$ j& R0 F& Q1 W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 {5 t# u$ |# F" {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 G9 d! [) ^9 Z, ^6 {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 P" W" p5 @. v7 Q6 ~! N/ O$ U2 J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; k: m$ \2 d6 Z. eWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 S. H3 M- T! _/ T9 [  |$ ^

0 O3 y3 X$ s' [/ K$ @+ O: }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% P. x: A) V5 `7 p; {+ XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 ]8 L8 }  o: Z- O$ s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 O  A' L5 i! E"不信也沒損失". f0 y+ a4 L# H2 H# t% d7 l8 m& I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ `, k4 D  P' j- t6 b* V% d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 a0 e$ Z  L3 [6 C5 P" ~0 k2 o
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it's starting because we have sins......: r5 f. \7 d7 {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 }3 {. W# I* _3 n. _" A" o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 a, T* v" y* L+ u8 Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 f" m  K  w; P$ [7 Y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# j/ C4 J5 j- l. B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ m* P& c/ l( Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ Q, m6 w( b( x7 u) R  O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% ~5 j) V5 w3 `% K, h2 q$ s  _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% m: ]% T+ ]( V) Q: @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* x% e4 p( B7 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 T& d2 M7 l1 I3 c

2 \. O7 c9 l  l8 [9 |5 x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ R1 X$ ?5 W4 v5 M- B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ `+ a( h* I& ]  {9 B

6 Y& f# V% {. M& B1 ]3 F! k以下是其他人的見解,1 S2 `5 @2 o' U$ E  M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 Y1 P# P- p" {, j# X* z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! [' c' Q6 C8 q2 s# t5 f% ^6 A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# w7 x+ M& Z; E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 `: A4 x3 k0 F% |5 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....* I! ]/ r5 N$ V0 N
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* _+ _; T  x* |5 L7 S& ]9 w
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.