Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* }' s2 u/ l1 }: j& r; P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  d) p# ^# a6 c" c7 S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ Y' S) k. p- B7 s) }道理我知道好多只係做吳到# f* R% n- Z+ c- f( @. R2 q5 G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' @  a; F9 ]( qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. c/ e. {: h, g) j0 R. v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  `$ E1 z& Y  i) g

4 o0 L) ?+ c, w6 y. Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% Y$ Y- A/ B/ Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& g8 z. P( o# F; B3 w6 Y# s9 k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) F2 \( j$ e9 ~3 R9 M* A! u& z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; f" M! ?  i( g% X2 S& a3 W1 C
真的!!這不是反話
. c. c7 U( C4 _& R6 ~因為我是情感比理性強的人
/ |$ G9 ^" F, v# U/ i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 E: l/ I! I- |) P+ l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) ~( d# N2 x5 }0 p' h, x" ~; M3 u2 m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 r1 ?9 r& {5 W- C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 v. a% u4 V% X2 y+ I$ X* E4 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. O4 I  h8 T9 V  K* O3 a$ u# FWhat a statement we have here?
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2 c$ H" K. a! \  NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 \( N3 S( ^* U4 a4 C3 J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- K' p: d! ]2 x. `6 e* a% }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* Z; {, v; i/ s% {6 G% k' Y) \
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 P* F2 j# {# G; |9 q+ @! b' V4 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ o4 b( P8 Q  ^2 I  r7 S' |"不信也沒損失"3 y& N" F7 [7 T  ~/ ^' [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......' ?7 H, D4 |/ t/ D. m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 z& h5 s& y/ `1 b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ L5 b( ~6 P. v
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 J: k& T0 U) l' p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  f+ R6 {/ W# Q& K0 W: o5 b5 ?' ], u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; \+ i" v  p  E; p( b. \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ |% z% _+ z$ f* `. i4 _7 {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 G9 `2 P, v% O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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7 d) o2 C; u! x! Q. l9 {% U宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ q/ I; X, d! v; t7 @2 G
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* V$ f' `# a& E  r信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 t! Z- G( m% i
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以下是其他人的見解,, j  }3 @( Q( r  t/ I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 B' x* }2 C/ ~0 M* M& R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) H& m( i0 o" j  \. j% d! A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ D+ j* ?* o. o; h

) G2 v' g% Q6 e- }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: k3 {2 v/ W$ Q) l

0 ?/ K* Z& @8 D% n  s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ z" F7 J& l! }0 \" }. D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 p: f( V+ u( |7 Q6 r) Q( Z

" ?2 J0 G4 n$ a+ L' bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.