Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 d/ N2 V  b% t- |' `
我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 _, M% ]' G8 H! j3 \+ X& q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 W$ n, O; ]1 Q9 m3 H道理我知道好多只係做吳到) p/ N# S- c, S+ r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' F2 I5 b- N) SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 _  T$ l/ N# W* G$ F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 _  I5 G2 Z. H) ?0 ?: t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. }2 j2 S% D( e- y8 p& O9 X2 ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 j* N5 D3 z' u) g% m. P& _
真的!!這不是反話& W! P" T+ P1 S' \
因為我是情感比理性強的人8 e  ~& d" W) Y6 @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, Z; s7 f; e% t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, M2 T, R' G3 h4 L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& T" V: F8 K, b! [( o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 U0 W( t( P% m& t% w, UWhat a statement we have here?
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  P7 |' D5 O  L- iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 C5 r( b0 p% R: C$ H0 A7 \
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' j- f/ j9 l4 d! k* B
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  o' T/ I, g3 V7 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"3 O0 f  e. q1 n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; y! u4 H- b9 b- H: Y' C: Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 S9 f) Y. u) E$ H: F1 A. c

1 w8 k% ?5 @) [( R* m  qit's starting because we have sins......3 S9 [3 q1 Y- a; }; X5 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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- h4 p. {2 Q5 K2 F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# d5 [9 d" J* ~9 E3 r4 z6 i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 _" Z' l4 y4 ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 N: a- g" {8 Y; y! f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) m% G6 y9 P2 _" E4 x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: K/ L5 O2 h# F; m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& S. F; g* y; u& k

- d( a0 K. C5 v9 K) E; _4 w7 F( d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 T: w! K" m5 H5 {4 I# F9 @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 j$ _% n# C1 Z3 a6 j8 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 [0 }5 t" n; J& I, g$ @

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. s* E* N) ]# F3 R& a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 d% r* Q! b5 Q3 w9 B+ W以下是其他人的見解,
$ y  A% N/ I, z% e7 U看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; q( b1 I8 b+ K7 U/ V! r4 [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) c, t- f$ p3 a2 e8 {9 ~8 \

5 x# }9 n& I  `. b. [1 z' u7 P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 y" x6 K+ l) T1 r9 r; p) i
.............信耶穌... ...

5 D7 X/ a$ @0 ^  Y: G" B+ V! sRegarding the resurrection....
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0 q& Q5 E2 w+ |, M1 oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ L8 m$ e7 ~6 zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.