Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- t* v  {9 ~+ I. z# O$ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到  m1 t9 b- s/ c+ ?( y) K7 N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! f/ q9 g5 z6 ?  ]& j4 U" [

1 b5 u3 Q, I* YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ m) V3 V; r( J) d6 |, O* {0 n$ L5 }- ~

0 }& ?0 }" R% z) Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( V4 n# a1 n  k2 @

3 _2 x; U' W  x' \5 o* zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' X# _2 w% e; \" Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 @+ k- V6 v# e- t3 _/ U: i, @, R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 i: e" M0 T; S6 v) T) |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, D. U8 X0 a$ r# `+ ?- X% }0 n! E# aWhat a statement we have here?
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; J1 r) Z8 v0 R+ s/ o. hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# |+ l) j9 R% U- i& @& RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 l* x' ]9 s- M  H8 C/ F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ e6 n3 s: |2 A2 Z2 D; ]2 ?
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 h' |. A$ m' f! U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 u$ ]  U; r& Q" l* s- |. y"不信也沒損失"$ E+ J0 a9 G; u- h3 v, \9 h) s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( w. Y6 s8 _7 T% [9 L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 ^/ [3 b1 J; e  V! t6 i. D; Cit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", Q5 L  f% g, k3 d7 f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ _5 K0 A0 ]4 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) ?" g1 X; r  W) H* f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& y1 v! }# u2 _% Q  G* a9 T" B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ w2 L; i8 h# i, w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 q0 q7 l: ?' }7 ?; z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 z* G' \4 m5 {' z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 ~; Y; q% S& D' l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' p$ d$ w) X7 Y. _* N/ A& Z% j, i/ O

2 k( q5 M/ Q7 y' [吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& x) N, y; }/ D" d9 Q* h: f) q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. d& D: z& N8 z+ d2 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# G8 q1 F; s9 l0 q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; q. T3 Q6 P8 Q

7 |  b) }  V, h# i; Y5 b; |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 N$ X. Q* f# ?8 X$ b! K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ z! T' O7 f( T
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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, e8 {. R( S2 d+ d. I) P& |Regarding the resurrection....
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$ e; n% G! @* Z8 U! L% vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* Y& h( ^+ R4 G$ n% O% _- ^; B- pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.