Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 a5 `- R5 P) u2 ^6 v. P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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: {, D  |, [8 j' f0 m6 _  m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 o/ b$ p) L# G5 f  H, z  q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 Y: a3 L6 e. YNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ ~, t7 g( \8 O# k0 }

3 a4 m. B, k2 W5 L2 M5 G. Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 v1 H5 r% j& Q! X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ {% c( \& g" Z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 u2 ?& O4 }1 Y0 V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( q4 ~& U" t2 c  N' N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- r. Y& b0 X0 @4 ?, c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- J9 h( ?1 q5 fWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   w& X: U8 h( [

: ^; t/ z. S! I- G. kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 y1 h+ y' S! L; OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# `8 t% ~- J5 u[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 J: l1 H& X5 {9 P6 B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 T6 [2 p8 m* j6 W/ |7 z3 W0 |) H

9 H9 i) b5 J, ^' D. rit's starting because we have sins......) b* e3 X* p7 e+ q: C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 X( X3 |, M& Z5 V& F% `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; u. x3 K0 M9 J8 u3 Q+ ~1 S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 p5 z+ M, _) p1 v+ p! @2 @# F) K9 O5 B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: g! S6 W' O* C: K- _! N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 i8 U3 T6 l7 X  r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- E9 H# Z- e$ \( @5 {7 d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# G) t6 [. Y7 q9 R: J* M8 G9 @3 S

1 [* C+ Q! u6 ]! r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 h) W8 |- y- S% a0 |/ k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( E! E, @: t( q8 u$ r4 P

) D/ K; {4 O. d* d2 z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ r4 I7 N+ |. A+ {" c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 C# a1 X* c# G; h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 \, b: F. U' m1 l7 t宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* `3 L! I, `9 b* ]) _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 i" ], d; ?" _' l
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以下是其他人的見解,0 {- Z3 T6 L/ d" q7 i  c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 t3 S' A# m; s# a8 Y: j! T
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 ~2 }6 n3 y/ `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" L+ f' p; b) j3 l# Q* m% f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 u! S' _$ j# T0 N" n0 J& W! Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 n5 O9 P) h0 u- J4 V2 a3 x.............信耶穌... ...

# e$ g! K( j  b" t4 N* VRegarding the resurrection....( Y6 q3 \# v$ j' `1 C# D- C9 v

3 D' \& d0 a( ?4 _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.