Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- T5 B& M' S0 F3 t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 M+ z, q8 D' M6 h又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 L9 c9 G! M* L* M6 q; ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到' P2 z) e9 l0 X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ \+ c  O' X1 k% q3 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- `( ?% Q( J+ n' u6 ]: h7 e, R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( i5 f4 @5 u4 d) N1 V3 `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 q# x7 d4 f# X+ Z* \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. {9 U9 A) o" I: U- Y9 J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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5 X: l8 W  y, C5 F9 J+ n因為我是情感比理性強的人
+ L# m, E* {$ n4 O, b2 r# g所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 q8 W  ^; q1 A7 n* `5 W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 ?6 T9 W6 F' {7 q: j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 N3 s; P, c* ^: V, ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 \2 O7 R/ {, P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' j  `, G+ |- w$ AWhat a statement we have here?8 b+ ~+ b/ o3 S; k

, c* q; @) V* wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, h2 W) c4 R( z  uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 o8 `- w. F/ V/ P- x
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 V/ z2 @$ I) l/ N  g$ y! \

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 e6 z- _- R8 K9 J" Y  b1 y7 E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# {% m7 F6 |  `  p# |+ qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: Y) L8 h+ S, \' X/ pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% e6 K" o% I/ B
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it's starting because we have sins......' O5 b* X) L! H5 F& k* W: M5 o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' l4 F$ x( Z# X6 J2 M7 R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' N' B* E; }% `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," \4 x# R9 a, O  l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% L5 u" o( j) Y% w- ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# Q* m$ h$ }( J5 I' R" _2 _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( u1 R& [; V- u! n. y" \8 d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! z. i# g% `2 _' V

7 h. a3 I& x- J, W- E& F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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& ^- y7 h. \1 I5 T4 j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 ^: g5 P# Q6 d% M3 [3 c- {* v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 e" E3 x9 [5 V2 \% P
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ o, @8 W% ^2 C0 `0 W$ W# B
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# K6 C9 a, v( y; k$ O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 w7 M& f4 J" y3 s- c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! X$ _/ Q6 K7 O' A

& A" w5 g( X7 J+ g0 t8 H' n2 Q以下是其他人的見解,  j$ G. _1 K; s: n5 a/ h" Y5 U; L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 Q* l, e: o; ^: ^; C% r

, s+ ?4 l& E$ c- i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 r/ |1 z4 G1 p+ v4 T  A: ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  H3 i# H, i3 d) [' ~$ c我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 E* T/ h; S' j, _.............信耶穌... ...

' C, E, E: J# q% ARegarding the resurrection....6 h% s. t9 Q# i" U8 C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.