Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 T. }. k. \2 l6 V我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: R* e' ?7 J: m/ z4 ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 w/ R* d+ n' G! h: i: H道理我知道好多只係做吳到. Z. B4 ?, H. p1 n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 j' t& z$ }6 @7 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 M- l9 J! T8 [2 h! T7 }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 Z' v9 }* G6 e  Q+ s8 x7 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, p. v' n1 S, v) f% w% [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 d5 A# W: d- c& O
真的!!這不是反話& T0 }& @, \. A" o& I
因為我是情感比理性強的人% }9 S3 K3 s, G" ]) L# z! }; `; W( H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# z/ O- p3 f0 F$ ]- j/ O8 M: S* s/ J, R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 s1 d( [) V" R- N6 \- J( n+ x8 ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ M% R" D, K& b- n7 |, W3 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 ^9 K" k$ `6 i/ xWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ ^6 i: `! k5 G; V+ P# C5 r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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9 K- `8 Q6 Q7 B3 I3 h% k# P- G4 u[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ X+ K2 _! Q4 X& g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, H- a, e8 u  k" m8 e"不信也沒損失"
% ]; W# G) o! L# F$ b' |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ q0 Z$ e' K  l/ V0 a; I" Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......1 E) p  Y( L- k+ ~$ e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & N3 |5 c* ^* W4 L% T, J6 v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 j! M9 `& ~' S3 S  |- O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" ~, {* E3 f$ j5 \; ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 Q7 ~0 o5 C9 M# |0 E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ K# s: ~0 w4 e5 g7 c) [  I( |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 J' Z4 K1 g" ?2 j1 t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% X2 z* f# O9 }5 t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% B1 _4 r$ g: d( |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ U7 _& L1 z5 M$ ?, f& q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 {) u% E' z, a- p" U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 e/ {$ v9 ]: k6 L

4 x& j+ Y& g- `1 T5 ~/ b以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 d1 w" L. {! G

; j1 P2 U7 N% ?4 R5 {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& z* g4 n' n, ~2 L, o2 A" a
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& I/ E4 j, O+ W! I# x" B! y  v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ _8 b% k* l3 @; H% T8 ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.