Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% Z4 \; ~3 f/ M; m% `' j我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 Q. ^+ K6 w) J  y- G0 A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ c  }" C  _. v& p6 ~# z0 Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, ^% @1 @4 _6 x0 p/ e4 p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! x* U; U* j6 g; VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) B) ]$ M& [9 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* O: K- G) ]' J: C* D' |

( c' ^1 m# K  x; z& e) E* Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% I8 o) g# h* G: G1 B; e- Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. f% N3 H" m( ^" f, e我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 G% z$ s( O5 {: j( `/ T
真的!!這不是反話7 q' n: L8 h. w# K7 L0 W6 v: {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 Q/ n- ~5 Z# s( V所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 F- k& g2 ]( ?; p( [2 B  b3 a6 [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# i5 w7 x! R: M! k8 Z# `- H; o" i8 u
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 L) \8 t1 ^3 X4 m/ ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; x! x! m& A6 Z" Y+ L6 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ \  n% j, |& V0 D7 Q# |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; E, \7 P6 ^+ `, m8 d2 Y! ~8 MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 _: i, b, V* c. s4 V7 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" }5 d, t3 S+ k- S2 R3 Z"不信也沒損失"
" D, B  Y7 a2 Q- u1 i( c. dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 h2 @1 M7 \- d9 I: w0 e  J2 P! @but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! I9 g8 U$ `. s! Bit's starting because we have sins......2 M3 f( q- u5 E3 K8 o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & F5 p. [& p7 C) k7 a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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4 e  e  u1 d* |6 k1 [' M2 D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( |* R/ e5 E, s5 J& A- v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# `" ~) _' ?. e- s: {, g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% g1 [2 i  S) ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 z: E& S0 B3 i+ e0 ^/ }' ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' ]( m0 r: K0 D3 k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( f7 n" N' L3 B- s$ N% U( O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, Q* _' p9 K# z4 F  L' W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% x5 E9 F6 A! f* S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 k9 H! A" m- B' Z/ e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ {7 h- g& _# [* Z1 W
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以下是其他人的見解,; |% M1 q3 f& A7 i8 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 \5 q3 k4 d7 w6 Z: C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 b+ x, }$ b* H, T

# n, O( J* x7 A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: Q, N) d& f) A3 s0 W  n2 I

8 n8 X" W( Q8 n# x, V' g/ H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" b, K3 @& X6 Z* b+ C! k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 Q6 s2 ~3 N' t2 Q.............信耶穌... ...

1 H# [- t  N# a( [, L0 B  U4 `Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* f& O$ c" X. f2 Y3 x4 i& _# v5 FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.