Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; y1 [2 p) Q' t" C* D我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 n; ~% [! {# a1 Z! H' e. a- _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 a/ Q# |3 _+ r/ H' w6 Y7 a4 ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, N" E) O* f5 W) `) q4 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! v6 q/ q- |4 x# z9 S* x% e

( [! r! I* G& a0 N/ fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 u; q, @/ e7 astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  _) o& e1 b! i( u% X4 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# {8 e7 i# G; y8 E3 b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 R( N. ?& I3 z- c* v  m
真的!!這不是反話
5 d, ]& |4 a: ]- X6 I因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 m) \) H0 N- H' G3 h% U/ B+ a- m; t: N所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ H' n; w+ M2 t' O8 _+ o4 `2 A% ~6 o/ n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( o$ X0 d% W: e( r+ }2 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: J  n  T+ e. W1 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' b' ^9 f" L8 I" W9 o, {& zWhat a statement we have here?
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7 V9 [  e, @3 K8 [+ o( H+ DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   E9 @9 B, K: U; T

4 Y' W. {* V: Q0 tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( k) ]- B  T. o7 w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 Q2 R" ?  E8 i3 I' C1 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 h+ A: i+ ~* WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ @0 }9 f! F! w5 s( u) W% k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: t( _% p% I1 i4 P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) G0 K) ~7 M! [3 Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 g) S  s+ l9 ~) ~& C' W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ B. P2 ?; Q3 l' a. E; i8 C& i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" w* R* Y' }6 ^5 D4 V7 t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ f8 t# U) @% f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 {% O/ H: e( E$ R5 @) H0 K. Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' K) P) |0 K: |2 ~! ^* `1 M  c

9 T# a# `8 H+ ~6 N/ e5 K6 M$ [' L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 X+ a  ~5 s3 B2 f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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' u1 d1 ~) h% O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( |1 j, L0 W, }: z# R" z+ \" S

, R4 t! c+ z( I4 R3 s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- l2 z" q0 F9 P; }: K1 [; E: N. F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 T+ `- S2 a. C) M" X* r  S! A& v以下是其他人的見解,
' U8 I  s# N6 I) H- h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 ^0 G( Y; i' G$ o6 T9 F+ R2 l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm% W* m$ _/ a6 Q) b& Z
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 D1 B* S" y0 @% u5 N信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; o9 C" ^6 X  }& [& H2 C" t0 h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) _: p, V  s) V! [0 ~/ v: J6 \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 x6 |" C7 L3 z' L" c5 v
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* a( r2 ^+ m$ j' e/ n, d3 s1 R
.............信耶穌... ...

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" ~7 d0 w# _- E* B! F/ _7 rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* Z2 @' Q7 T% e6 `

# E) ?6 M" U# d2 G% FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.