Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- ^% r4 N/ l% }5 R. ^
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 I$ ?4 ]9 y+ o; Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 {+ n! h; m9 p6 t8 f3 i8 Q0 ]; i- z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 f1 |$ F, F& n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% A+ v" z$ ~& j/ \1 p$ T0 kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, {$ S! z. s5 ^+ H( y( y

/ l0 g+ x( Q0 j3 G! o6 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 q3 b1 ^( K- Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 G) ?4 c$ x8 W' i/ o3 z

) H$ N5 F8 p/ Y; P, Y& b8 Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! I7 A7 ~' {7 C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 M! v" g7 T4 ~, B
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 P) d+ u( j2 n- K) n% Q  J2 w/ Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ A9 B, s( f3 L& j4 e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; V5 B8 n" Y  p$ s  V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 c% {4 [4 ^7 ^! i; W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  B1 G4 `! h% {2 bWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 l5 S! Y+ w" |: C3 e, X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
/ R/ d! t3 Q5 i" j0 RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ C( P+ U' R" P8 q" Y; B' s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 V. |( N- I7 {/ i5 F2 X

5 [# Y) w, p- A+ Git's starting because we have sins......
0 H/ o" G( {. x% Q6 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 B. g/ P5 @" m3 J* N# {/ v5 k) Q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' y: b. [  M/ G+ S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 ]4 B) ^0 q: T; p8 z/ _" H" x用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 m% ^* i, _* n+ j( D+ }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 D1 l* S" V! F( Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 Z( O" O$ p/ b" k  i8 E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," S; @9 v% e- |1 ~8 j

! M3 x! s; B* e. a1 {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& i: z" [; g! Y; q- R
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- n3 v" \1 Z' e! p# E$ f- L

8 _, d1 O7 w! Q8 r# c) L以下是其他人的見解,9 y8 T0 z4 H0 I; i4 q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 p1 Z7 [" e$ {6 b9 n, m- `  @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* T2 L0 }2 c: ?9 @* D! J+ W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 N0 g1 Y. M! b3 f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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) K7 H5 h7 M# N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" S0 i* [5 |4 {# b  N. x& L  G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) _8 x) D) a7 j1 `3 K

7 F3 j" S2 M; p/ S  V4 @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.