Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. P9 z5 c: m( Y7 G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ C7 \" w9 K% d8 y# @9 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ T) J: J" X: Q+ U0 B( S: ]1 E
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 m! L; }  _6 ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; [. L$ k9 J/ Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( e, X' y; r$ \& v我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: A! O9 [6 \. C5 a# T0 }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- S9 L, T% {! Z! n  M6 j1 t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ I: M% Z. b7 V) `* |# g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; o9 P+ z; {2 B4 x& B1 }# C8 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" S, |! J7 ^" _4 @: w/ ?, s1 D8 u: r( `What a statement we have here?+ Q! E% _5 E& N, p

6 z" A/ ~9 g4 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( A+ H* H8 K. x. S) w* C; Z" H8 Y# K: iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! H5 |) t/ u; q! L* d) I' C8 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ @9 W' a0 L- l, f"不信也沒損失"
, N- P2 g5 Y9 ~2 R, p/ u0 P( RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; u3 A! K; ^8 u9 j6 |; j9 v, g$ abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." j: D) O+ v* A" Q% n

: A5 y7 Y/ ^5 n' dit's starting because we have sins......% {7 i. I' u# a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ~8 R) }& l/ ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% k$ k9 g  _! `6 u+ j8 Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; D# ~9 N! F0 U/ X: [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! u8 _. i6 j* v( C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 F6 i9 n8 ?$ A. b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, f% `/ }3 p, }. ]5 l+ W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* E/ s' f0 T6 u7 C. q$ l9 @6 u/ C
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" }4 d( J9 U1 m% [$ q) z/ _+ O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. |. @) N4 F( R# D+ Q  K. o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# N6 |9 c8 a# [" ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: e' o/ }6 o6 I  J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# T1 R$ T% B* N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 H0 W" u- Q. p$ |# n) M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 ~# D4 _/ Z5 T
.............信耶穌... ...

+ ~2 w" v# Q( r$ L: p& q/ hRegarding the resurrection...." y( A0 B9 k' o: C3 C5 X' {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 h+ b5 P4 R3 m
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.