Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 u, P) D3 S; d9 W% C( d" n: _我係一個連自己都吳信的人% G8 E% o. M9 ^; M5 B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: p2 ~% C1 p/ b" J0 ]8 u# `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 j% L/ O$ P; }) Y5 D& \( ]: \
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' G/ R( ^# I* Z# [* h/ w2 Z7 x4 K

. \4 l* P. c* L* R0 pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# x5 R* Q# b* E+ z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& B0 y( z0 t& y/ S* _$ o! X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" j2 O8 a& R2 }0 P! e2 @! O' S6 Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ y7 u% P+ T' Q1 ]真的!!這不是反話
9 Q& p: K6 L; t+ y# h# ]/ A因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ ^( v, G5 g4 b! Q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% f4 e( @( p6 }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* a. j4 k- f$ p& `/ G7 `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& ?1 ]# U! q% B* R8 D7 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' i) y! t! x4 K3 j9 G

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; ?0 u) }# ]. a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 a( s0 E  Z+ R" x2 h9 z# @"不信也沒損失"
  @9 D1 z- }" p, ^# G* F% `$ QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 ~4 W8 y- v: u  K7 T: @8 @8 g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: ^# d' g" ]3 U8 j' zit's starting because we have sins......5 R9 C' ?- S- a6 S5 y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 y4 z  O! G" o; W8 L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" V" t1 ^9 A5 p) i* U& ^5 }7 N. ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 a( q1 T. _; l/ H% t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 b5 Y# I" |0 i) W: ]# k1 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ C( `4 W) u% {3 E: L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 W5 f8 i  x# c( m4 R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. A0 ~4 d7 @" e( |
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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* r# @5 y8 r. t, l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 F: \, V* s  J, \$ D" ]1 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 p% z  J' ]. b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( U7 e/ R5 C* I5 b/ K, q
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& s' {1 S$ ~3 }6 C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% t( W1 l% A1 f$ Q- m# P  m" u2 {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
2 o" R- K# p) `5 |: X  P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* O3 E9 R+ K: L" [6 d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 {4 _# l, I: m7 O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 p7 v* W2 l/ j/ i% P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 `) w# W5 T9 A, a. e
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& |. l6 I/ r; d1 b6 K7 {. \: n% K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.