Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* r3 G' k, k8 K8 x. E' ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( G4 ~, Z* t  L* t6 lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 _: ^: B9 _( E) a& L
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 [! S2 G4 q& G" k) b! rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' M9 _; Y1 l. s' D/ e# P7 d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# a6 P. f* x1 d- qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 u7 D2 h% p: {  c4 u我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 V0 ~4 P0 g: ~" J& B; P
真的!!這不是反話
( g. A, E; I, V4 D' a因為我是情感比理性強的人# y4 H1 D9 v+ ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; h% Q% _  Q3 s5 {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% O* `7 C# [% M* N4 M- o* y. a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* c/ B- ]6 W; G. N2 g. q0 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  j- K) X5 u. I5 C* l6 JWhat a statement we have here?; `9 r4 \/ ?2 F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# L% I1 x2 R/ a( Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ f$ z8 T9 H) A, i) y"不信也沒損失"/ N  H6 F+ S+ r# }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 t6 T4 u; _# \  o! `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....... K! _  N1 c9 M* y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 ]2 G& ?3 L3 Q+ F
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 d6 q# N2 g; I2 r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ Q$ w3 E7 Y  W4 ^: ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) J( i/ v: ^; T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 B0 {) x; l9 a0 l$ M* _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( a  r: j2 U7 E$ `5 V" M8 F) j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 `7 V5 R" K" ]* a/ p6 A  ?

4 L& b- i- s/ Y) j7 }/ v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 q* }" f7 n- S4 L3 c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 w0 l& h8 Z  I5 F5 z+ j0 ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  b+ i* B4 M4 f; E
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,$ r4 ~- l! l4 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: c2 X. ?2 r' |4 K7 l9 X/ i% `

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! H' t3 Z- o7 H2 {

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ I1 |( E/ w% t1 X5 w9 }1 y! P" O
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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; F" X" y3 e/ b4 O  TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.