Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. d0 Y( {5 `. B2 F  w' L0 ?9 A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 W) g7 A, F0 ?7 g7 D9 z* \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( d+ E3 w1 m+ ^, [5 }& J+ v4 d$ _' mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 b& R; J: `' u

" H: j0 D6 b; ~7 C- r4 _8 Q) INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 G8 j$ G& ^' r9 R6 n

8 h1 N& ]6 }, C; G! s5 \+ `6 Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- c& K" [; t/ N9 G5 A
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 a9 G+ ^$ b, T% U+ t8 a' T0 ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 f& e7 i7 j  R/ I, t; V我只不過微小的基督徒...................& i- A2 s( k' ^
真的!!這不是反話) F6 C3 z: S/ d) i
因為我是情感比理性強的人% U' q) q* b$ A6 l$ s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) G5 R9 P  K8 D2 O2 n7 @' M  r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: b/ R2 T5 Z3 X

" r# d6 X' Z) U9 s8 dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  M$ ?; V5 B: M+ h6 qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# U/ f; P+ E- Y/ T3 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 a# l* M. n! ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ @" p8 Y9 A, |- kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ F# X6 p2 T' R( j8 G; b, A0 D
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it's starting because we have sins......
% c! K6 R1 B# f+ B! y6 Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 Y" f! V! F3 M, f* h/ q" t
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ?/ W: k4 r/ J1 i3 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: T4 B, [$ l  n0 q( V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! \/ |% _3 `! n1 h# u6 ~: u+ {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* P8 ]: n  F3 H) X) Q3 O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 }  q1 {+ p7 t/ Y+ O' V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 P& L7 K- a$ m; l3 V8 `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  x2 F  e; I3 ]$ p- m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# ~' q# g6 ^4 n' Z* Q9 e' B0 v! u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, }7 J, i# Q  \6 j5 K* ]# o$ ]2 K改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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) ?2 a7 q/ D7 x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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& G) M! z$ g) F以下是其他人的見解,
1 W% c. F& `4 X4 Z- z1 N看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: f% h: R1 \% p) l" V8 B

) K# _% G4 o1 X1 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! X/ Q  r/ S) T# Z) D, O

' f1 X% S! m( e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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; W$ i/ X5 c. n4 V$ C, |9 j3 m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 t* I* }$ R; b8 O5 ?: J* m9 K& W! }8 `

( }5 g3 B4 O- p" NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.