Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ K) n$ A- K1 x& y- ]' c  R, h) F9 G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 f$ w7 v1 Z6 W+ k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ S/ u4 y) ]! W

9 ^$ ~( n$ J! N3 d6 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# n, y) Y2 l  X

5 R  E8 t$ O3 c: i7 y2 \% Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* S9 M# j! K6 D) |+ V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 t' N# p5 `( P* ]3 H) k, A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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8 {) c8 r. J* B3 O! dWhat a statement we have here?5 C: n7 q$ n+ p2 B3 v+ f% g) v

( D6 z, c; q5 t# {7 i7 m1 WJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( d/ S% w, C& f$ v! y$ v* f
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- q" {) Y* D3 m7 m! Y4 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' C' C$ D* {/ `4 a) [0 y. k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") G( |8 `. G3 o2 B0 U' \2 k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 l2 v6 S  N4 h" \- U5 e" o# n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
# g/ C+ \2 s2 V- q6 N8 esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% \* M6 w( h% U% K" |) vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  F) S: p& _, z) `& j) w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* q5 E; \7 x4 Q9 Z: t9 _
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' I( y: A& B5 L8 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ w8 X5 ~; V. N& l$ k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( x6 h, V6 [: `) S/ a9 ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  L0 I; I( \' P& {8 |$ s8 |% j: G
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; D% X! n1 A0 G0 C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 @5 n8 o/ a& |* A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 p# G; v7 [8 S7 u( p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ K$ z6 R8 U4 h! R; E7 T2 w
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 T) `, N- k" q. ^0 ~. l, Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  ^! d2 X9 V7 p' u7 M4 H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ A+ \6 h$ o7 @& m6 Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 Z4 ~1 R0 b$ _& b/ p. c

- Q" B, }; G+ p" H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% U( ?* m+ X3 n& E0 s2 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! s' F" }* n$ J: ].............信耶穌... ...

- x3 M) L! u; P/ W' PRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.