Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 g& D' K  `3 d+ E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 j8 p9 _. y9 v$ ]6 s1 Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  V# P% p+ q' ~$ g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" M! T5 R, y$ {7 Q5 I) D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; l5 g9 Z6 g6 {/ ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- U& Z0 Z+ N1 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; ~5 N& f  {, N! m6 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% G" T  S6 u$ \8 h& o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 z% z4 n1 h( m, a! v) e, C0 W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話5 {8 v7 I9 a0 G) I; J' W- H
因為我是情感比理性強的人. Y/ c1 q6 e& f3 L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 L1 z. Z3 s8 Z3 [8 R) F& v$ M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& k# v/ n3 Z8 R: P0 h  q% e4 K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ s: y& G  K  k1 a1 s7 T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 ]& e6 q& ^# P$ b6 e, }

+ S4 a% l3 o$ P/ i; B: q  O, hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: c1 t! d) ?. w  p

6 U8 C. k( r0 qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 [! X" ~1 V2 |/ @  o- N
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ w. \  i! e) i  P6 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" g% Y! Y' I: ^( rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& V5 x/ s. |+ \8 ^4 nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! u4 h( Y1 K% s2 |7 lit's starting because we have sins......( t/ u/ b, T7 S$ l! \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % x, _6 P% A' g6 k' a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* F- V9 ^2 C4 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# M- t& U9 X2 C8 K. I4 d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ _' ^% H, w5 b6 c  J* u% z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" c) g5 P7 B+ l' S' ?9 T+ K$ ]
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," Z: i- @1 k  r, R7 k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- R- ~$ F8 W, Y+ c
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 T+ Y$ B. X! P

; i1 z- B$ F1 s! I/ A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% ~( H! A9 W8 k6 Z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,# I, |9 H# g2 f/ j% k# {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 P, a& F2 ^2 V! p! m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, h9 v- J1 v2 F0 }% h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ ]6 o8 I- T: g( n. V- J; y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. h3 p* h& Y; W: ^1 E
.............信耶穌... ...

: M9 K8 d5 z. i4 y0 R' JRegarding the resurrection....3 e2 }3 @$ R9 y" W% F, _
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; r& m* r( }, d) ~) c3 g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.