Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 h( d* L3 P6 h0 }道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, \$ ]& U7 Q+ P# Q. ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; q; l  e* x, a$ O& f2 F2 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 R: x' C# I+ S: i: Z. Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 _) ~  L# p1 J: b7 ?0 kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) y" M) x2 R0 W$ ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................* I% m! _0 g' p. P4 v5 S  u1 D: @
真的!!這不是反話2 a0 ?7 ~8 b) n# [
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 e+ M$ a4 ^. i  Q9 x4 s; n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* f1 P+ ?2 ^7 s9 ^
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; E" G% `: I# h/ H$ WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: x% G4 n) M: [9 QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 {1 B* }8 R, M% N3 _
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失", X5 ?5 R! j: @6 z+ V: m" Y9 j. n, Q( C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
; m8 D; _$ D; I1 osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 _8 D; S& H1 {, z# G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- d6 K; d; k" Z. k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 `0 S4 L) k, I/ C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" x9 Y8 U3 [( }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 L8 S4 I! q- n4 h4 h1 f7 c' G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# }& h( n! g; a* f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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& r2 _9 Y8 l( ]5 m+ }/ T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* L! Y+ d9 h6 o5 e, {: j# l  c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 C5 `% }- Y; K+ Y4 d( w$ ?: Z
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. X8 t8 w9 `( D, I# N9 l& V5 O! G- w
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% s5 ]0 ^6 E4 K1 A2 _7 q, T$ w5 N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; t* x, P# G3 U/ o- f5 K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ u/ i, X- l  [
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ w3 U& B9 q& a  \( Y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# r3 Q  Q/ N4 N, f4 _4 g: XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.