Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 ~% `/ p# S  J4 m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( J0 ~. {% c3 |( y9 o- u道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 k  O+ t1 ]+ V; G, @
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 i7 S! ^7 c$ ^7 ]6 ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 l+ c+ _  H! _  k# M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: q; W# R$ ?/ m% Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., |( Z* A; H5 G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 F& C( A$ q) D! L8 n: H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: t1 `) ~' O7 Z( T, d7 {5 p我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人  \# L% [5 k6 ?3 M/ g3 a  i, s$ j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 Q2 H% L  K: c/ }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' K7 W. v; z2 g& I9 ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ b4 _3 x  H3 v; E* C. C) q& L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " ^% i5 Y0 W+ a! z8 l/ o

; V; I% |3 q$ B+ ^( }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( K$ W6 E# L, K4 l8 E* c% n7 ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ P7 D: g2 B" ~! n+ y! U$ L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 Q0 a; R% r8 _$ N: g  |) I& g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! ~6 S: d# ?0 l" h) C: c' H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! ~# g9 ~/ I5 H6 }5 t8 p) `  X3 U

. k9 x4 y: D+ G: \it's starting because we have sins......0 g! @  x9 ~) f* _/ N: C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ B: I- h0 X# o0 L1 {0 O. f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 B( W3 Y2 E0 k! L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! U; [; z. d7 ^3 J; A. B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 H  z# ]/ a0 P8 r2 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 o5 p8 F/ l# K+ N4 ]+ q) [! c3 q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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% s( ~7 L( Z0 b7 Z  J4 B  q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 Y$ A- H, Z, R8 Q# }- T$ H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, k( l& U, H2 I5 T- W# a以下是其他人的見解,& K$ g1 l* O) ]5 ^3 R; R0 R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' f0 k& }+ q! V; @8 I1 `, U. d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( h6 _5 O: J0 D/ x6 p; Y.............信耶穌... ...

3 }. P4 h6 z8 z# x5 g9 o/ CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' I0 T* }2 @+ F* y. a

, R/ k* E  w- X3 V2 j1 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.