Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" Y3 F& j* V# l* B我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ I2 x* `3 [+ ^" W& D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; P$ X4 D/ e$ t道理我知道好多只係做吳到- d3 r2 @9 m3 p7 }. c9 b! k. ^. Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ i# P* h4 J2 N( g/ J$ mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) ]! }# Y. c( R$ mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) _* {, i6 p: W* U/ X  e9 y( }9 Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! M  D. E) k; V/ Q* q# {% Z5 n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 E+ X: q3 n* f4 O, }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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* y' J) d9 p: E: H! J5 d/ {8 A# e因為我是情感比理性強的人! N5 w/ i5 F9 I. d9 w' f! Y& q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" n3 S8 e5 ~& l" \9 Z% h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: F% v- k' K  v3 V0 y1 L2 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ g0 \" V' |  \# _( x+ g3 N! v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 x6 Z% ~. ~7 G  Z$ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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" n  C4 N) n& EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # m1 h5 Q) f0 H4 D. E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; F7 R+ k/ E5 t1 @( J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! p* L" e& a: M1 H6 x% g) {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
; N8 ^8 L8 r' U2 Q# z, Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 p) S# p* \# z8 r3 g+ }0 m7 L( F3 Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", }7 u9 Z) C" I6 z/ A$ Q- `. t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) W1 _: b5 Q6 |0 y, ^* Z# \5 {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 s) z8 E. ?+ c8 t/ L+ V3 n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 B1 a- q; ~- W

; r# w% I! y. N0 L  j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 X/ D9 H% h, j! g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; b1 }9 W, w- K

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( M9 Z! b. g2 ~2 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' L% T1 Q; V$ X& A6 D3 ?) k- \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! U1 U! n. ?/ d' z
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以下是其他人的見解,
! X3 M$ l1 [% o) V; o2 y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% }- ^$ y- N% Z) ^$ M0 e
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 A! ~6 N( @' N& c* [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# t* e* i) T: M% z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: ?& F# c+ V1 D7 ^% `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 J+ V" n. Z/ `/ s5 SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 t) `( _% P: z3 ], M$ z# v

1 p+ d8 l$ p) _2 m" n3 a& UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.