Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) b' _$ s- A* O$ r1 Z9 y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 T( L& u$ ^/ w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. Z1 S+ x4 f4 e& p/ R
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 F- a+ z+ a9 j4 I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) ^3 A# y. S1 q7 H* oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, _& A) h3 _& V9 X

9 n. g9 B$ q  b* k3 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., x" `- O2 U5 ~9 ^0 `; k' E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 k# `- a1 L; \+ H' X& h& Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% c( F0 h8 h( }* ^7 Q/ ~6 i9 m7 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( C1 n: Z# V" ?0 Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................% H5 B9 N6 j# m! W
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 ^3 F% ^5 L4 I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ B5 y) S4 h# G* i5 R$ O/ ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?' J# f" I2 E7 E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - `) V7 ]- l0 K# U" b1 r

& y# {6 o+ o/ F1 m( D) P3 c- ~- mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 D& F& l& y6 \" U& U: r

5 b% a& B. r- S* A' A; TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 I5 y7 |4 R9 U0 e. f0 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  \8 h) R; a2 X* S2 s. M, qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ v; e( ~0 O" |1 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." \' l9 v/ y. O

/ I: o* b4 u& C/ ~) mit's starting because we have sins......* m. z( j9 {; g  s- G# v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 K* n: ^( Z1 V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 c& e7 L3 V. {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ A( X5 s7 f5 n+ B
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* u! R3 [% ^5 K5 K) k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( U1 h) u& t3 d7 S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 P0 X1 i4 Q! H) S

( _# s. g- O( q  v/ i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 W$ h9 c3 p) ~2 c9 R5 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 ?. c1 x$ L3 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# v( V2 u, y7 O6 e) Y: ~  K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  {% e6 r1 p: z  L/ s/ T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- e2 P5 _% F" f8 |% j以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 X! o+ l9 v8 j" ]1 S" X$ R9 Q, P
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) Y7 N) {; a, V0 P2 ]3 M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 e9 @) s5 L2 |! C1 i0 U# x; u
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 Y% S0 A1 ~5 I  h3 u: k* j) `- z

5 g: S* k; i) @: t# FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.