Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* O0 f* f. Q0 ?, N, q+ a' b- b我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 n1 i1 p3 B+ O' c) Z$ T- L8 r( V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 Z- S( _7 l0 l9 D& B# p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 r& u  g; j- q& c: y! [1 v6 o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 B/ \' n% s- q7 w3 t3 H( o

2 o4 {5 x! |. ^" i1 p. _/ ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 N: _2 p- Y8 z0 Z

  w  x! Z# D2 F' _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 O+ w: d  f% J0 l

% \0 ?6 V7 ]5 d7 I" F6 F7 K. nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 \; y( k9 a8 c& y2 A# o5 fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 j4 Q7 D6 B  [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- n8 {0 \. a7 J
真的!!這不是反話3 a8 s4 i% }- n  X! b
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 p( d' E5 n$ Y+ }/ n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* Y  p3 ~3 c5 h4 E! Y3 R, c4 V* P& t- K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 M6 v: f' y! N' G* X8 V" j- o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  O5 h' _& g) Z3 S+ i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" r& J2 a3 Y) kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( x# S5 b; b, b/ `! CLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
6 x" q1 O3 ~* ^& GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 v0 J4 k3 q* M+ z0 c* c; vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: T8 z2 i  _6 c

7 M; R7 X) j$ S& M3 `- kit's starting because we have sins......
+ W/ B$ J: {3 v9 s0 G' ?, hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - t: V: V4 C: M" u6 K$ I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 U2 e- U' ], c7 u- O, b3 _7 {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ p& F; Z7 [; I7 x/ S$ P0 G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ r2 Z+ C; S) @  v( s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: P6 K% h5 |; ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 q- _0 x9 e0 K) l. a! {: O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' h1 j4 ?% d4 t& b, |

$ h7 s( t+ A8 k# L( A8 W- K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; _! j8 G3 M; g& F& E, s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ e6 h- v) r- x* @& k, }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ R6 Z4 v( z: ]( e9 }, g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 C+ W" K( ]: \% h! n+ t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ ?! o7 A' A+ [" S! P

, S2 C/ Z" `/ E宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! C- u  n& L% j5 F. Y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- b3 B5 G+ N( l- I: l) ?) _以下是其他人的見解,
9 p2 t9 ~. M, Y& m看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: A4 k' z4 C8 `. Y8 u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 ]+ T: {# Z% ^; Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ w, b' K: h4 X, S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 [' d2 B5 j% g1 G4 s7 d/ [
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# W, D, T3 X% d; M/ W$ Z0 }' f

* G( I& [5 n- hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.