Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* B3 ^2 u4 z; V: e: M* a/ z) ^% B我係一個連自己都吳信的人; }$ ~( {* l- k- O5 ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ T  h! E  _. k0 d2 w* b1 r! z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# L! l) }" y: D$ X/ A; E6 c. S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 K& a  A" l* y: Q7 l+ L! gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 C) @" P- x2 x0 j1 B$ [% Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 }+ ?6 U% x) d, Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 X& `  Y0 J% f: r' O5 a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# c  g% d5 z8 ]5 n" Y/ t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# B$ n$ m+ d: n% `. b9 u. M: g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 `; b' v8 p, _7 T: O" }" h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- _+ J' n: q+ h: O. ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. V; H. G% K' C& A2 o) b

- }: o7 o. T# j6 t6 }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 c9 [$ T- r; a% A: ^  `, v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, N0 e; h* R3 U* q+ @7 _"不信也沒損失"
! ~1 C( m) J9 e6 iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 y2 B. f6 u  r7 w" ^8 T' W6 u2 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: X0 J* T9 I* ?6 j, p" O9 y) \
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it's starting because we have sins......' W) v( h+ M8 `" ]0 c: r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* O! [) D$ e6 m( s" o3 Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ t8 J% G, d  B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ y2 @2 n7 c& j3 u: ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 `3 L% P4 f# |6 t6 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ o, O3 a- {3 e- u4 S3 T! I: Z6 ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! a' d3 s3 S* t" C* X  Q9 V- A! C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 h4 v; j# p( c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," x* s/ [9 s: x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- |  s& E7 }3 [  ~/ H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: d# ]: d3 \1 I( l" [6 A0 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- q9 S) Y. e0 I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 w! ?5 d: y, O: X- V2 h* a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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9 J- y5 O( I2 ?9 A3 _# U; C- u以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, R8 w- ~; q! z# Q9 p2 }! i

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 }" I: X) _" e2 \- r, a6 V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 E. [$ U. F& `  K" A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ b4 L; A6 F0 a& g' R) `.............信耶穌... ...

1 Y$ ?5 f% j& y( ]2 CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- _( N+ U$ i( {( ]% B3 v7 p0 v

1 _  N/ i* N- V3 @: I8 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.