Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- b# {3 K1 q5 ^7 L& X3 H4 l我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 Z" o1 S0 L& A( h9 b- w) V3 I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) k# t* A0 ~  t- \道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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5 @9 p( ]. p3 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 s; M0 L# h" D( ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% m+ ?' k9 s* B; ?. E/ X$ u

' S1 e1 V( E5 w  R# fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 b! ~5 j/ ?* m! m9 t7 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- {4 U4 s' U6 W: Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( u5 H! P9 b5 ^& l6 {: v! a7 _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 D4 i% D5 `) c: ?0 ^# f
真的!!這不是反話0 f# I7 i9 ^8 v! x$ Q# e; }, h, U
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 M1 x9 }/ V; Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 p2 M9 t; i9 }) {/ Y7 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 m8 C7 `4 V( c7 h7 f# d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. E5 N: L' o/ F2 \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 P* Y; r  O$ u/ F4 m& G

. v- Z2 g4 b$ c; s+ O; ^9 zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 s' c2 R. Z, r1 r& m% U/ o, K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& D) g% |, |7 l  J/ e' B2 y# }"不信也沒損失"
) x+ \2 c* N, Z# }; IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ L% D4 p1 N+ x2 Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& E- t: q5 B" g; o2 E; }: M. A' _" Y; S4 ^

" D  B! I% w& [$ `$ ?$ j6 \it's starting because we have sins......
9 ^) ]9 m1 o" z% H; R0 wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  `+ Y* m# `  G1 n1 e4 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" \9 A6 S, D8 _3 B3 F8 P, h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 @1 U1 V% U+ p. i/ T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 l+ u6 v! A7 T4 W9 k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! ?3 C& w/ V9 y* y3 a  a. W, e' U, B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" N! [- Y/ h# j& J& t) U$ q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 \/ Q0 @. x5 E3 I1 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# c6 r$ j: K: U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& s/ H1 x7 r3 H7 c0 I) ]6 C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 Y  a$ u+ e+ @' Z$ P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; T" c; R  j6 G  m
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: w/ h" t) U* F8 C) y7 z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( X0 Y7 m- N# N: F信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 ~; P; f  O. ]% a
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以下是其他人的見解,
+ k6 c3 ~) i( O看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 r- p; o$ p( I7 w7 y- Z. M

! ?2 T* U5 y- E9 _$ o( e" j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 T  l7 B+ G# J/ ^6 G6 w6 W% w' H

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  c$ i9 |$ O& l; X6 l9 c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  c, B: i8 h6 t" v4 d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 J4 F. o2 L$ y2 gActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' s  Z9 h& l( C% iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.