Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ t7 _3 r: i* ~& s2 f% t. j4 R3 x我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 P4 K1 H/ b% m7 `( U# ?/ h+ S( {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  t, Z" f/ {8 F* @. `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( N. K6 d1 d  q7 ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) M" y. E% ^  l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# K3 ]( v! F) A% g* H. F. ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* Z) |$ k" X' b- c: H0 Y! T; T

& ]# ]! Z. ]! A6 ^6 [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# e/ i. P* g. t+ O- xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( G. y0 b1 z0 D) q' z4 |我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 M: |* O  Y, n, k2 k真的!!這不是反話
) ]" Y+ B- T2 h) a: D6 t因為我是情感比理性強的人' f6 N5 T. b1 C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ \" B( y6 A% ?: @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 H/ O& ?4 D, t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: y4 r! `% k/ q# @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * O! b0 M$ K7 C" G: c7 X8 `
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# k9 s4 ]  @/ @+ Y" X4 gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 y8 ]0 i0 W, {- ~  K
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  v% S$ ^% D7 W( ?[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 j; z7 S. [% j& ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 H4 m4 |2 k$ ~' H2 U"不信也沒損失"2 A9 f3 E* }; M' X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" t7 U4 V7 R5 l( p' v8 J  kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 S7 c2 _( K5 k, s/ L9 C& p  E7 Iit's starting because we have sins......
% v8 j* u; b1 @) j3 vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* G+ ]& }. c: i+ }( Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* C  U6 a: H  w! [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( S& i) i; h9 o$ ]5 C* g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; E) x* o3 K7 _& Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 N/ r# L) q- ?6 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( ~( e9 M' ]0 K, i3 ?  o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 L' @# |3 i" M- y7 a# [) ?* S

. S8 F9 X6 l1 ^8 @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) O5 o$ T5 e! r' e4 q" h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% f6 O# v  j+ D1 D& U6 A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 m+ s; y% @  \3 W: t: R$ }+ m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 D' V$ N. q' T2 @7 F$ K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% E: ~) q+ U) {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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# N/ F8 W0 i: A4 ?# f- R" H[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 b& n4 I' [0 y- }8 X+ ^5 r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! t3 i7 |$ U0 x1 k6 N/ V. `; W
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ m8 z$ j( P# U& G& L; E
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 M: O3 W& y9 N
.............信耶穌... ...

$ u1 h/ Y  _, ]Regarding the resurrection....
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7 C  Z7 M0 x" x' ~1 oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 W/ z& X0 ~  FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.