Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 n2 c! F1 y% ^$ l2 j+ {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ @! A6 a2 w: V0 F7 `% b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& K7 y; ]- e1 p& N, @7 m. f+ o' g道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ }6 O* C7 N( C% Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ n( D& i9 B, e$ G- `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) C( H6 A3 C: e, ]7 ~, N% Y& Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 B  k& z! Q5 r, f  Q" s

* ^- ^5 O$ h5 {& O" s0 c9 ?- kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: Y  f5 n( {( i9 R" Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& b+ ?! c, l6 @# M) C1 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! d/ A$ W/ ^% `( P7 I# C9 p7 @真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ H, S% U3 S1 }8 @/ p% P以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  E  F2 L0 s: l) A; m# t, a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: ?5 r8 }) ]5 O& P: r* i) [' A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, G! ?2 @- I' o- L6 w8 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' L0 q. O' B" S, Y; E) LWhat a statement we have here?8 \, p  n. m( K  n' M9 ^

: W( d# E7 [/ t9 l3 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 O! h5 u  }8 I* k! x

' O8 F. G; M: v" h* |- {/ FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ P* H6 O$ v2 y

4 Y0 U* J  d7 p# B2 e- eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
2 [: j! v5 Q" g: w+ F! p5 s5 iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% B# [4 n) K& d9 h5 i- N: ^5 c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( e7 t7 J. C* |+ U5 W
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it's starting because we have sins......3 a; c4 Z8 j& v8 I7 \+ d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& i! l1 g# h) e) I# I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) }1 [) A1 h# c9 N$ f- m6 u7 N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 K! C: R6 M3 s5 L- s$ @這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- o6 V3 |7 M: V6 L6 X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ n: U4 ^3 @3 R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 Q) W" L+ s4 b1 e* c$ ]) b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 T6 L- R' y7 U1 U% S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ v1 k% W  Y+ _$ |5 I3 \- f
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以下是其他人的見解,
3 x, @, m# l0 N4 G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& [- Y6 L, x, @9 G9 `+ E& Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 r9 h# L  T, b3 ^* R% a! v

  g6 y: H6 f$ x* N1 u8 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 _3 K) Q4 Y; N) a, G1 G
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& K2 y9 u# `& C4 w
.............信耶穌... ...

* n% `5 j  a: R8 g: t# d5 fRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, N0 m, w% l" {2 y9 Z) pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.