Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; O0 J4 ]* L4 h* d我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 K" B7 J; N- m. H6 n又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 F" w: X5 q1 y# G) T$ w: h, u' O道理我知道好多只係做吳到, D5 w: I2 d; q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: ]% O+ _# d& B* M. fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ C" S( I+ c7 V1 A* D4 p1 J1 G

! [+ w( @# G: x$ Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* a9 k; j) l7 ?: \. wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( [4 O7 ]- C0 O7 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: {, d2 Z6 S; D% g/ V+ v6 @- }8 T9 B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, G. }) v  j0 G- K/ y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  h& C5 f& e0 }  W- ?+ {( a' e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: R  a1 `! X* q# h% r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?, @" }+ o% y* Y. ~1 F, K2 U6 N
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 f4 p$ i& T2 y# _, V6 _" N7 x9 V/ M3 c
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 m) e& `+ U/ [+ J3 YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& ^+ c3 {2 n2 t$ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( i6 [0 \$ {- I7 T! J7 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 {  M" U$ `, s9 r+ O: c0 @9 K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( v- ~$ j' n, cit's starting because we have sins......8 T- M  N4 F& H( h) N4 N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ _5 H* z9 j6 _; K3 P6 m7 @3 J$ Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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+ E* @  E0 @9 O. s/ j( S* U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" P5 O1 D2 F) R/ ?9 H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 c# z4 ?$ f2 l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: s# R% c# V$ {" `$ g- }. m; Y, Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 l6 a; k' H+ j  }/ M5 H
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 A& O" p7 c# k' k4 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 D2 a# l6 x1 |/ q$ P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% u( ~5 Y& j  ]. s& ^6 P  @1 N; r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% M6 H0 H% V- k% Q: f6 O  x% D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& Q' ]% h/ B3 H4 o" S0 ?# }
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* X) m) H, [- y5 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! J. e- j* ^2 a

. V  C4 y! R5 R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 M5 I$ z) |2 @( I- Y# y; K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) ~! w' b' ~/ C# @

$ K0 \3 M, z/ [! S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 i5 H4 c% z- W* G0 \6 q
.............信耶穌... ...

: h& X9 E9 m% n, C. JRegarding the resurrection....
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! x: s+ g4 I- \5 K9 m' JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 l! U8 `% S. H- O2 w6 J/ u
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.