Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( H& u1 |/ V( u8 D1 A/ o8 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 F4 [: V+ D& v$ m4 ]! ]. [7 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; N3 Z  `& Y! ?% j/ h! xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ P' U' D& s. W& ^- }: s

9 r; {* m+ B3 r/ fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 I- ~$ w: K. A6 {$ W/ ]2 a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 L0 n1 M3 y1 v! L5 U& J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人$ d/ P0 P, M/ o9 N% H9 A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: z( l. `0 f5 C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) S; d/ ~) d$ I% _( q, ]2 Q7 L在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" H0 o# p/ F- ^$ \6 X4 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 _; d$ _6 o7 [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : o( N  o3 W( W; e4 l$ W

7 g: C+ N6 o' PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) Q' Z5 w1 r1 k2 Y+ `" y' k3 yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( A6 K9 q* {9 M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( v* f, M3 i! o6 R, r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  J) O( R, u& s$ b# n/ w. Y. E  zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) ?& k2 n  c- u. w; A* B% R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' K0 D6 b* x5 ?7 I% ?

/ X! t' ]# b0 C- _it's starting because we have sins......9 E. e: c+ C2 b% c, _/ h! v& o6 j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  ], H) {) T9 J: F+ Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( U+ o$ _) ^8 V7 D% I" h! ~% v/ E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 K4 g; N* R! J9 a  j& w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 `3 O" M' |, O/ g4 h! z+ t0 U" t% {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* n! g+ ?: q9 w3 `$ d: R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 R3 D; t" {1 _  w. X2 r. K

3 D; [1 G! u4 O8 f, g/ c/ c2 o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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8 z0 m9 \! s6 K9 X7 H  a/ k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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( C' y8 g  t& p0 {- E8 f' s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ B' |! q9 @) M- G' a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' t& h$ e- w1 B8 z( {

5 U& x$ I) }  y; p以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* _* C& f& T/ M) R/ s

6 C# h/ h! a1 _( Q6 k( k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% L4 |$ d/ t+ u$ V6 s% g

2 |" y0 U7 _" n% s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 I( C# v2 H+ \  f
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! C( U& w/ t  u( C* r) F% Y.............信耶穌... ...

0 q7 {- ~; n' g# q" \" W. {Regarding the resurrection....; ]6 z" D$ }% G) V0 T

5 E$ P$ u  `: U! {8 YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., }( \+ o1 X# k

! k0 ?4 P: z, e8 {8 ]/ B8 }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.