Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( G0 K: K: y: s我係一個連自己都吳信的人& H0 ?7 F3 }5 G$ J: A' b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 U. V! V' R4 T" x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  I3 r/ v( h2 y0 {呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 O! w3 h' o  L% xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ f! s( V, l# w5 @' K
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 E2 F' l( f, j, O* F6 k+ l" M5 D

8 o. |( o$ Y! K) Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 O1 @- o' F* X0 \' L  m7 m$ w6 sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ z; |% h+ t" E8 G$ k% k& Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; I4 M; v) M; w  y) j0 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  P( g: j7 M8 \- k& o. [
真的!!這不是反話' ]* n( W! k- F6 B7 D/ B
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* t' }7 c  b6 A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( G, l9 j! C- E) {5 G9 A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., ?# N% L% z; N9 Y- N% A6 k8 Z. L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 w) z+ w! W& i3 I0 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" `$ ^7 k/ g* f& t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 [& C  t& `4 w( s' ~I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  A8 e( `7 N7 t: u' n4 l, a

' f2 G/ |9 `6 [, j& ?' hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 ]& X" ^$ P4 x: v5 O* b: {* {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% B- {- W2 Z" l9 g" \6 e* IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" I9 ^9 k1 m- B! T: \$ Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ Z. g2 U3 P7 \2 b# E* k

0 E1 K1 b- @; N1 jit's starting because we have sins......3 F2 i+ |; x' B4 p, b  M8 h3 {$ v$ m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% V6 X! h- d0 N* O, ]0 h& o( K, ~9 }5 Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! S) K4 R7 t+ \; ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 K0 v/ E# P3 q3 @7 M. X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  k! v4 T' K- {( r+ r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 w0 }# \6 d( H

3 s% R% \5 m* E& f* t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 o$ ]% z5 m) g1 ^2 G" c, F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 C2 e7 B4 F1 B: W7 w  j% r, F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 U; E2 @0 M9 v" v8 ?- N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ ]( @8 I0 w: z3 K* ~1 O. m

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2 y, d/ i" c* m9 Y/ L9 C0 C. q# o以下是其他人的見解,$ {9 }' R& V5 M: f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- |4 U3 p* R8 Y9 W" T4 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ I' F' K3 G7 j
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* N# e, i# F0 m7 D( a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.