Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 w% r# j  V9 S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) t3 P6 e1 q: q! L0 \. H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% d' D; X! U( p+ x" L0 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ C+ G/ \5 h; F' y' U" R9 Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 @# `1 @2 A2 y* {* I' `

. \6 z, M  W6 ]+ C; pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ j, r: T+ J" b9 q! ~% Q" Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 J. f# T, o! V# C1 y( {2 F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 M/ T5 f9 ^7 r4 Z2 F因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 i% z: k! K; p# Y6 ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 a% v) |; P- C# y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  }6 i! i0 @& T/ E: X- {/ F  R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( S, F0 P6 B; b2 t0 \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, ^  @4 v9 L1 o" D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ _$ j! ^) l$ f( xWhat a statement we have here?3 ]7 \, `3 {$ J4 O" u: ~* e; e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 ]; n! J9 Z7 @9 N$ `2 o

9 f0 V! S) J# M# a5 ]2 K$ II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- }- k3 Q7 x! J4 D' @5 o3 M

3 `9 p, Y  C2 I$ w" o; u) J, N# OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" _5 f6 V* ~9 W% k; P+ R9 T: F& [
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 w/ m+ z0 `; ?6 b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 N. M4 \( W7 j# \# u# z% lYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; [% a; k1 S3 X  z* ^' vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: ^$ s) `. k- e# i' r- j
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 q# p& Z2 [& f: R7 K3 z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( N) G7 `* e6 t- U  }8 X$ q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 y# f0 j  ]& ?# z. Q4 g" s! x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ H  F2 A9 z8 {$ Q6 B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 B' _& k# k9 F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* ?4 N7 \6 n7 N8 f: q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# U: A" c2 b. M& o" ^

: B7 [- H& l7 [- q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 r; D5 X$ }. J. x, ]
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# l- \/ b- n/ |) Q# l3 a5 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 \1 C" |/ [. N6 |) n7 ^6 [5 m7 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- @- E4 i5 b- @# E: s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 e+ |% _0 }4 I5 y, {8 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( D% }. `! j- C3 A+ P

! @; S# k& l, l; L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 n1 B$ u6 ]3 S" |' u( n# D5 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. y% p) D  x9 [& i
.............信耶穌... ...

3 w  H3 _  r$ T( t8 Q: dRegarding the resurrection....& g8 @3 @( z+ ^" F2 f9 x5 O
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.