Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. S, ^. Z7 Z. |- R& O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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& ^& d4 w' K' B1 I6 O, q/ S道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 r2 f2 o" o: s1 Q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! a) e) N8 W; `8 q$ B' }. \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 l' H% H% z( c' y& V

0 k9 @' U% J* ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 R0 \6 j5 I, v& O: umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; [1 s( Y# r* @: `) v" h9 H

! v1 `0 x6 i1 t8 C$ O* C/ t, _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., w: g7 H& K$ N! Z# k& \
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' v: e1 d* b0 ~/ ^8 \* M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 N; t9 {& ?) n) T0 U4 D
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ Y4 c  J, y3 l4 m. Y1 `4 {2 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) P* P, ~/ ^) h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 `3 n5 h* ^$ D- s5 y6 R) J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 z, s" ^  L/ \" vWhat a statement we have here?) @; K( z- O' I2 m7 p8 R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- o5 E1 N; \6 a! [, _8 x/ ]

& S, j( Z. m4 O+ q% g& LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( N" c% U/ ^, S, {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! M) a! L: V: K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) {5 ^+ W& K; e, k+ W: T! E: p"不信也沒損失"
" D1 U3 `. z' Z0 l: j. F3 Z# GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# \+ ?# M- a  C5 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* Z" d" t* W9 P: Q# \( u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( s7 _9 ]  X% H) F1 I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ c: D9 r' b- c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 o7 k( x* G( U! _' a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" w' X: L7 n9 L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  ~; y' o, ~9 m6 O4 p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' ?8 J- S& [- H; |3 y  l

9 n$ z9 D! W/ |: P$ S; M6 R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% }( [% J5 j$ T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" G, `$ L6 d4 J1 O+ n4 z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ U' v1 W: a4 }+ @4 G以下是其他人的見解,
/ N" o- \0 I8 s+ d7 c) J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& a! Z) L1 F+ h7 P. Y& j2 ^- N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 K1 f% q# g! c, [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 G1 A# d+ [+ h# m
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  @  F$ O$ x+ F$ R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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+ Q$ P' P% ]! DRegarding the resurrection....
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7 X9 L* P$ G  J1 fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 A3 @4 P( }! M  G3 j0 S: kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.