Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  Y! ?  c% t  V+ t9 O: v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 C7 s( e) {9 t4 J% F, Z" i2 ^8 X: e5 r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# c' G' c1 i+ @2 h+ w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 x# W  X9 }# F4 Y$ b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& G- h5 M3 |+ O, x- u% ~' u* hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& f+ d' @7 l5 g4 J$ B8 X+ {4 uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 t6 a2 K/ \5 c6 ]" q3 d6 qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 @+ E5 ?- O4 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* l/ ?" U4 ^/ R/ Q; s
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 [, R; s7 Y7 F0 `* l/ _
真的!!這不是反話  V8 X3 S& q0 B
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 p8 K* S6 I$ R' o8 q% g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 P: j1 [& u! l" {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 m8 U0 j: {. o7 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) o" O& G1 z9 ?& U. L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 ^. w5 d& H, r3 Q( }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. Q+ @6 }3 T( ^8 V, r- OWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 y* i7 ]* Q* u/ ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ M" G' F; L3 A! I( Q% N. Z5 J"不信也沒損失"
0 i1 R7 A9 l) r1 FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 L- m# O, U& \( p7 a. y7 H$ O3 kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! w. q) q; t6 ]4 f1 C

. a, Z0 t. r' Jit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 t* v6 o. q+ m3 b5 Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 y* F* m/ K1 ?  Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 G* H+ I9 z$ d3 G4 m5 @- `4 U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" E% G. e) W4 Q- {# N3 |( e; ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 U( `* {9 r. l) r. E/ D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 ~. E+ e5 n6 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: r6 U8 @) _2 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& u( x2 N# N; @宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- i& V: o0 r/ i5 o' u4 a* r/ k
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# F/ @$ C5 [3 y6 e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 j8 j% R# d: Q$ D  Q2 Q
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以下是其他人的見解,8 w" S8 k4 n6 v! t% |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; Z$ c2 k9 p7 r* F
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm+ i: x% b5 Y- m) j, `4 F
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" h6 a3 o* D3 a1 |6 V+ Q" E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ F8 p- D- Y5 }1 ^+ ]

1 p  Q8 D6 J; E, F7 Y! |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ F5 T' n3 i$ C# k9 |- T) u$ \

! g# C3 W* P/ t# N) _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 P' s0 g9 h5 C7 R% D+ b- f
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' f+ |9 {0 F9 ?3 G

+ m7 T' g" u& A: ^: }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.