Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! M) f* X3 D4 x! d  y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) u3 D' c/ e- w& D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 V9 W, h* O+ a) l; P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ Q) l9 ^* ^% g" {& m/ q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 p3 M+ C7 r2 lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% J' b/ |1 E4 d+ l; N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( n! p" c. T) M9 x3 e1 K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( ~% T& a" t/ Y2 U因為我是情感比理性強的人! T1 w/ S5 h$ Y# c# V+ F5 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& S+ X- [" C5 R$ H0 T! z+ u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 c; a, [4 m! w; _+ v: s" s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- j5 [2 j% [; m% d$ `* @' _7 m# i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# |! j8 }. Q4 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; C0 R. s0 D. ]6 \$ L1 ^, lWhat a statement we have here?( O8 ^# g+ V" J8 W) Q  t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; s/ J2 }% U8 P0 B$ b2 [: n

& ]) W; G+ [  I' z! R+ [! |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 S4 S* Q+ t( y: w& l' T
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ X7 X0 v2 S7 z3 u3 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" M8 D# G' E7 q- S2 x& p  q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 |- X7 w. Y6 b4 _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" H" p* s3 ]( e3 \; c9 r: Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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5 S( `5 |. K( ?& W5 P% T: O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& U9 Q+ U8 X6 d' V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 v( C/ U  X5 w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 p5 w) m, r" E0 n2 j% V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 a: \& u; c3 O" U( c( a) o
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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$ D( \6 X" W. }3 v5 Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 D! |1 n! @4 C# E3 B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# d1 E3 _6 _2 y: `

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/ s! S1 H* b) M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 F7 w1 e# W8 x& {" Q+ T: b1 f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, g7 U( d6 D. D3 c/ a% J3 u
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 h1 ^; S" Q: T* J7 E7 A% g
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  a& k$ X8 l4 `  p
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 L  D  B, ]8 t4 Z; F. N7 M9 D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 e7 A/ w+ c+ t8 |! k$ {! P. `
.............信耶穌... ...

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3 i2 `9 f$ c4 p  @& jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 F3 {. a% F* {! w

/ x! j6 i9 P- k( NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.