Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* a& x. h5 A+ p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) Q5 ~9 [) e% B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 X! j$ I( z/ A7 v7 f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* q7 I( E3 e4 N* m! ^7 A) L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 V8 g4 P( Y& e* r0 i5 z

# p% W$ n/ _& g5 k: k+ RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  H* n4 i; L% ^# i  S

* P2 s5 P) U$ jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! G! M/ Y9 N: fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' ~# h8 a$ g/ \* F! p. _我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! W2 e/ O( {( L: J# Y& n' N真的!!這不是反話: ?3 R2 \$ f# D7 y9 C7 p/ ~# I
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," n9 S( `: |  B9 n6 K3 ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 ^# D5 `! F* a1 m9 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: N  }& _* V$ Z0 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ i& p6 W5 n) G% D4 l: Y( p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 B, |2 Z  f4 Y6 r: q( rWhat a statement we have here?
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! h! ~6 ^) A) H0 rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; J7 A3 f4 F' m

8 B$ P& N  e+ I" I0 ~" d9 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 ^3 h( {' g$ f0 h, {7 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" H* }9 a. ]' U5 m* j1 o
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 N" s9 q4 o4 y% b! w; G- v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" `. O" Y1 r1 O$ B, O  V+ V"不信也沒損失"
4 W% d. t* j# [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: ]& N4 B) L( U7 K9 ]2 |  Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......8 A$ ?. `, B/ v6 ~( a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* d& d# K+ I* [. W' O. }# Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ _2 k9 R- a) o" i. o) x只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) O% Q/ ]% g, H* }  g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 v$ q, l9 e/ K3 m' l/ X1 k) J: |- Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 ?5 h) x5 I9 K0 N" ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ e8 I( H8 Z/ c$ z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: [5 P' w( N; i7 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( e- M. m( X# C6 v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) A. F4 B6 d7 B7 u6 B% m% o: {: i
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' {4 ?8 C5 V; [- d7 t  ^% c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- G% N- o1 |6 ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 W$ V; W- t5 N; o/ z
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, j5 a, N6 |+ a1 B6 y# K: K" y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# A8 S$ C, a8 y$ S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ L0 X4 U$ [" X4 [! O2 Y. J

& ~3 a; Z6 u5 \+ V; P0 t  b以下是其他人的見解,
: o) M2 L$ v3 u  U7 N# P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 }- x2 u+ {9 p
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 A+ q) B' C2 I, J

( H8 k/ L) B9 ~, B$ t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 [7 V$ v# o) F6 p; g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 U( R7 g4 x5 K+ F.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! J" s1 l: }4 w. F+ w0 {

0 Q$ C$ a: N9 X- W0 xYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.