Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ s  q+ [" _3 [, R6 [. D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, n+ i4 \# e3 Y1 L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# M2 O1 ^' p' j' q2 ]- n% u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  \. e% \  T& c$ s  C

" \+ \+ w2 B& k+ P& j8 gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 n2 w6 p/ n$ a9 [9 c3 R
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 e+ @3 Z) i$ S0 I, Y- |

3 F, J1 Q: G- z" M3 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 ]" l8 l7 H/ C8 `- _$ ^& _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% M0 C/ L8 L5 i4 n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人! l0 f5 U3 p8 ]9 T, Y* a5 I9 Y! @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 ], Q# g& H0 L* W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 k' [  V+ s" o* h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?5 X0 X' Q3 ?' T( M  B

  F$ L2 ?" P2 U( E2 N% BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! @- a* q4 \+ M2 E5 j$ b5 w6 i

% h7 ^$ g( _* U: ]) S0 j$ A& HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ k+ c- v2 F) _% z% j" m"不信也沒損失"& {2 A) i! u6 l5 `* {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 Z% e- i: @2 o; G6 D+ [, g5 C4 ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) `9 e! |* ^' @8 I# H/ _- h9 `

3 x4 _) E- \& n; n& Ait's starting because we have sins......
( @" R" J/ T! Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 q) ~" O. C  s% w8 Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 i5 b6 \6 U3 @$ h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  }  _5 s8 w9 O  z: m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 ~7 d  ~) O, V) L) I, \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' s" R7 @/ S: F. t6 N2 X/ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 ~7 Z' J& _0 N; ^+ e- }1 S; R6 e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 {9 ~- B( S4 A6 G1 x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," W& a( u: H. [& s/ S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* u3 `2 X5 ?( S4 s1 P6 a( G& o

- i7 r7 y8 A8 E: I+ v& L2 c# t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ b3 v% o% q0 K% K$ D9 N  [8 {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) k2 C5 P3 p- S: A8 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 Q3 _) J) Z" K! K9 u, u! L
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
: E2 P% n& }3 U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' O: j6 n0 w6 p$ }
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ K5 [# Z9 U: V

1 c! F! G1 S! e& K6 r& u5 h# }3 J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ D4 T. J5 T% M# f' @5 Y; }1 f$ g

% C( B9 `# {  `- O0 {- E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# K# q2 I5 f) y! Q% R& o

% H. L7 T& W+ ~% y; m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& _( ]6 t- j) g+ m% X0 y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ B% f4 q) m/ _6 i6 v+ o

4 g& U+ B& O% J! L; GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& h7 E) f/ A; V) i$ W
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.