Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. l+ T* |" A' |9 n/ W& H我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, T( E# H3 l0 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到( [) N& G, Q$ s" j9 G- N* p+ B. L/ D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( Z& v3 D4 M2 _4 ?. p( \/ M  ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! C2 b- ]7 I: w$ K6 r

8 c3 @, j- V1 ?6 lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! a0 r, r/ o/ x; V2 F8 E0 zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) R$ N% B9 z6 I% ~, ~) ~+ }( \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人' Q. Q+ \1 e  ^
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: O  e' q5 I/ j" b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  Y( x+ Z; L; }. M% V8 x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 x, }+ m* |& V, n/ B; m7 f, ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" s# n( i( z+ h3 z& r6 W. lWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% Q9 v3 u4 h4 W& W$ s' G, zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! g4 T, g1 t# `$ z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ R4 U: u* h  p2 R6 s5 [
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 z6 R! H/ y) b2 R$ k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# p9 ^8 o7 f( U+ b, L' ~. P: @) @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% O0 E0 e! Q: I5 F# |# i' M" E4 R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
' A8 b$ G. }1 q( Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 m$ F# m# T' g& H+ Q( S+ ?9 F' ^/ W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ F. e) V3 q- G' r. P用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 p- |" C2 z  u" G2 U. n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 d- W6 r- M8 R5 K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# ]/ A1 B7 |3 _- @7 q/ g( K7 x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% i2 `! v8 O* Z5 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 p1 t( d) ^/ e, O7 ]+ h2 C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! Y* X. A1 T7 H6 n* P" S

! e9 r6 c3 G7 S% Q* f/ N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* u0 C' Z9 _  `% r5 o' ?0 C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' Q- Y9 W1 n+ O2 T# N3 q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- _/ _9 e% N$ N" N  }, X" i# J  P4 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 B  d4 N9 u$ [& J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm0 x4 C, q! t% n8 H/ |9 J. I' z

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 p0 Z9 D/ {! P1 M$ E1 Y3 t" K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! Z) }  D5 s! d' g- K

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  i* n0 B# U6 J9 O. i7 {% W9 N
.............信耶穌... ...

% m; g. S6 P/ x, w' BRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 Z, M6 x+ ~3 g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.