Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 i  g. U5 ^1 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到( H, ~5 r8 h7 s3 H4 X2 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ }- @3 l) f7 l+ L7 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- P% u$ f5 U5 a  N7 t* t3 X( @

7 |! F0 L! T+ g" kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  J9 B3 f) y/ P$ @  q4 Q

' @# m( G$ y0 g1 P# d2 K3 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; R: d6 L1 U( }" H4 ]0 i4 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" y( h/ L8 _) _. ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. @' W3 e+ W6 W5 @; \" U我只不過微小的基督徒...................: c( F  k8 z2 z% W5 w  h
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 n0 U% N" D  A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 p! Z! @1 e: i# V
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 ~: N3 E# T: s0 F( t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 H( A4 g* U+ h: o# VWhat a statement we have here?
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( W3 I1 P/ x4 B! e+ }' l, UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) t* I  |; g/ l' D# i4 RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' H! V* @+ v2 ~  w- @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# N( G1 v- t0 w9 e6 l0 W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; L2 @" i7 k) ^2 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; `" N# D: _, A! j( h' v6 [4 h

, e" x* Z/ M8 o6 {/ wit's starting because we have sins......) U9 r" d6 d- T+ F6 ]; |# D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 h/ u' x1 y6 r+ _& A9 s3 e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; w% A9 _3 l, @* }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  X6 ^7 S9 A$ q  i* f0 c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' S) C/ b+ x8 l# Z! l1 P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! g& t! m" s2 f$ G; j
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ R* X  p! k) U4 a- \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& H# B, E: K& \- ~7 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 s3 p8 q$ Q5 P6 j7 W9 h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 z' u$ @$ G! Z0 u; y' B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 D& }6 `! ]3 R2 f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 k# y2 o, D0 ^; F

$ J5 o0 x4 t* D" [" l: Z: U3 j- n) K宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) c- k. _. Z7 R: b' P' M4 R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* L7 s+ s* a8 H5 R2 l& w; w

, @" @# G$ o' H5 c! _$ ?5 Y以下是其他人的見解,
! y4 M. e9 C1 a( g  d/ o6 r7 N9 c! F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; X8 Y/ n$ {1 N4 h( j5 @
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm4 h5 S3 s; P, D

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 F1 U! N4 r3 l6 A: S& s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* f! [% h1 e, k' O' l: {" m; K9 a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" K4 C4 B$ g, i& q. `5 x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 Q- m9 W3 R' M.............信耶穌... ...

" n" o8 e9 T* H5 c" cRegarding the resurrection....# C9 I0 N7 P' S$ r% F! l' Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ d" c# y- x4 e! }; O# g$ s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.