Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) s' h6 x) g. `  q; j+ G# }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; ^, h0 x' q  O# f8 S$ h- M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( M7 w2 D% {6 M( V, P- f( L* {3 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 a2 `; P# E& S$ l' W% O# j# t  ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% G# C. u1 ?+ q9 v+ Y% J( K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 [) v0 I# C2 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  k" W  }/ U, R9 c1 X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 }3 T! b; A0 W4 ]% A! q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! w8 |) C& U+ x& e$ h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 A6 ?; O2 t1 A) s9 I- q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' g) v. b: b$ b4 L1 ], Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 i# I- O4 p% K( L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ ~* x: }% G: ?9 Z7 K! _2 \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! A& p4 \: d% n9 H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" Q. N! T* o; T4 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! s- N5 v' N. F( y) w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 g5 t; E% Y5 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' d. I: h- s3 o- j# V
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  x8 N  W' E( Q( {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; [& L1 v0 |$ R# |3 H% g. n, H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; [7 ]3 S- r+ x0 ~: T& N. D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! D& y: F( W: A# B) x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: J' N8 ]4 y; v* r( c* c7 f0 u( m8 Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," G9 X: t8 g& A6 k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 ^2 M8 p% H- P7 M
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以下是其他人的見解,% w$ ~* k; r) }. n! `+ R/ m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, U1 Q7 ]( @3 @& m$ \) q2 H% I: |
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ v7 I: B0 i: H* S) s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# O6 C6 ^5 V4 z% O# |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.