Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- R4 O3 h. }* e2 o- @' B) u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 f  A, o# @6 Y1 ^3 A# _) y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ n2 H" E1 s" f$ V  l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 E# C3 w7 r$ s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! Z0 [* }7 m+ l* t) G7 C

) c8 P2 q) @/ V* h  B7 n$ x" [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* P5 [2 h0 g# g3 m3 Z

3 z" M1 l6 I6 O( J4 u1 {0 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' T0 D) U5 c& |! p! Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 h, S/ O/ k6 _  K: O- z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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+ X, B) h* @4 k因為我是情感比理性強的人
% R$ O9 m0 A  f% u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% s' s& w1 x+ T: d: z7 r7 k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. ^* W, U5 L9 b: C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ f2 k5 S' n" s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 j: \9 F. G: c" c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 o2 E! f8 i8 }" y  fWhat a statement we have here?& g( U' e3 v$ Z! f( {6 f, d
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - A+ B+ K  w! N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 w, d' E; I0 e8 }0 S

% [  L/ f7 u% A7 B' {! }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% w7 c( n- ]5 X% k

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* W# a) ?, C! Q  S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. X  _$ K) b/ G+ ^; H( _. g"不信也沒損失"
6 h) b$ U  `5 ?. n. uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) U6 a. O. v3 Z4 o7 cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; ~5 y. [1 ~. Git's starting because we have sins......
4 }5 T$ T' y! b& C+ usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 ?7 K" z+ [. u# _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ i2 y$ G- M5 V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ o! v3 h: ~5 K; o9 p( v$ T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 n' n9 Q/ Y4 p' l, ?$ u5 @
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' H& c$ I. Q" @" ]7 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  K+ `4 t7 S; G1 ]9 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% v) D. f1 E$ s+ ?4 Y) Z6 ]
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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2 H9 t; R+ S1 L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 t% A( R- J. u9 O! w4 ~) z" B

  }. C3 I9 f1 \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 O7 p: O9 X, a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ W5 G- l' n: q0 [# T

$ ]! Z" f/ q, F5 W. z以下是其他人的見解,* D$ _& h0 _7 m+ f- S% _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! o5 w0 m3 y2 e0 t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* L$ e) F1 f1 B2 \2 |

3 V; m( _9 E* f& j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 K' S" Z8 t* i( h5 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 Q0 `7 m5 U# B4 T4 J0 n) O
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 @$ r; e* j1 b$ E

! p. B4 |* J4 ^; \" f# |同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 z  A9 K4 X' k4 B.............信耶穌... ...

1 f/ M/ d/ X& W& ^: c: y2 ERegarding the resurrection....
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+ j, A& z# b. x" B/ JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 V. v* s! R5 e. K* }* c1 @

7 x: l. V& x$ h3 Y+ W) |( wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.