Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) `/ @  F9 f/ f, t% ~2 H! ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人, o: N  J0 J. Y" D) Y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" G; @( t* N6 n: D( ]6 G  D5 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到) I4 m$ j" h% O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* L3 M3 e/ u* C1 B
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 M  r' n4 `3 E/ Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" u/ W2 I9 B5 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# h' d4 x/ M2 K/ x
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) R! ^- ?5 S* c) J' M" K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 }3 b5 i5 V  a真的!!這不是反話* J5 |  l" i! O6 A8 y
因為我是情感比理性強的人/ j$ e( I) G/ Q, m! U9 g3 J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 s6 Q0 B4 h3 f$ F. E, Z- C. ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 A: D4 _& ^/ }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 Y6 x3 S2 t# p; a# }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 ^9 D+ R9 y* l4 o, {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' H9 Q9 q% [3 u* tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 L/ g2 W7 `1 s& a$ C. bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% S$ {* r+ t- _) R! Y6 g& C! o/ k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& x+ k7 o! w; y3 V2 Y5 ~

, p  W6 b* a* \4 xit's starting because we have sins......
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3 D7 u6 V1 N# P7 zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ F# w4 x/ t) {; j, O/ x1 v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% v8 S. \. Q, g$ l5 y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! Z/ i9 Y7 c1 [( S+ t% p# S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 k! G1 d! y. D" K; o* Q. j- f) ?1 Z

! o' r# p- L6 `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ w/ F: a$ i+ e7 L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ G! n( x/ C, h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' e$ i& N, D& y3 x8 U" T3 N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# n" z4 F- c, ^6 @+ t3 r* G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 J/ H6 t; z; b- x3 I
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以下是其他人的見解," Z" X# k; e  \" Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" Z3 b, E0 q! C& n, Y' d+ O

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 C( a2 T! X8 n( G' ?/ y/ C& F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 j/ C- M' U+ q5 Y: T4 W.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.