Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ q& ^+ v) y! Y  d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ ^6 u0 ~- o! ?6 r' T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 n( h% M& }* Z$ D9 p

( a- I* t7 B  Q) GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 H8 i' \- @' i' ^( r& L

1 T: @( Q4 o" F! B' h. Z- pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% N$ {% I" m5 I4 k; l: M  J' K

% v  d8 V) F" W- T9 x7 zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' [# d; ^; b9 ^7 V! I( E' @; Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( `$ S! z) O( _+ \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 @. S$ U/ E  Z9 O6 T9 d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& y1 z7 \" w9 U: {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 q% J* B5 A/ J* }8 B

; X' t! |) o' HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 w+ {6 w# m) F% ~0 j9 ?( w

! A* n2 i% y' y" j! O2 |) SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' Z7 V6 J% G8 d1 F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# V) L' H1 Y" W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: x) Y5 _! a$ o/ J"不信也沒損失"% g9 m9 B+ |3 b/ F- N0 b) T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 x" f" i  M' u1 N+ o- T9 R$ T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......$ T/ j. `$ l% C- d+ V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 z8 z& O) e% w# T" |6 y1 I$ ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, x: y; s$ P) H8 }$ A. Y0 H只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# d% C+ y+ V5 F; e: O1 m& y" S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; c" Q0 A: H* E" e5 _* `6 _* g$ g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ G0 I1 f+ M) e7 e

3 M; B) i# e& V! R+ T1 f2 \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 @9 l. v/ m# ?. d. }( `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 e8 Y9 I6 k/ m1 m% g* u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  @0 g/ z: [$ c' }+ F4 W4 ^

- k' `! c' Z  @& K7 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) E8 b, r9 R: }# H* a  x9 N1 k5 L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 q4 s+ n( c. o. u) h$ {8 u$ f! ~

& R; P" f. S; ^3 h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# _/ _  G( y8 g5 @0 ~8 z.............信耶穌... ...

9 c/ c/ g% M, E8 rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 u: s% G5 h; I9 R

+ _7 ^' ^9 y7 r: Y6 d7 q2 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.