Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" b3 k0 A% D' q4 F" g" @6 U- R0 p- Q- w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" A8 o% u" i1 A8 S8 Q5 B2 |又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 @4 Y! N( ^6 \道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 j, P! F" B9 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& f- ~/ J, p: n  f3 [7 u! y

7 i* Q; M% ~& q3 G: pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& g6 G1 H, u( f
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ y2 I9 W0 Y6 m4 p$ [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! q0 G1 k; l$ ?2 o/ }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ M9 `. O& ~4 J  H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! b" g0 x$ w* H9 c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ @) g9 M0 `. K: y0 v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& y2 |, {  b) B/ j( o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! N$ C1 t$ @4 h; DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ T* q! N# B# F9 L

% ?( y/ C! C, E2 O# B% UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) u' T+ [( b9 m$ {9 `6 Q

" o' L5 w* S1 V+ mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 P1 p, r/ r; H. p. B; A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% y* {: Y& K4 w$ A* [3 ?"不信也沒損失"
' T4 ]+ {8 W8 j. UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 P6 i# ]4 u  Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 d5 `/ B, d$ }. _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- k2 h7 A% Y6 Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") ^0 ~( c* O) ^3 P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, j/ F+ R8 T+ ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; M0 {: z8 W/ H# `# O6 o' _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% D" Q. b( a4 d$ n  i9 T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' m! A$ {+ L. a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 }9 ~( P- {7 Z# }  c" M. ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ U3 [7 e8 A/ S( N2 ], a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 u- G! R9 ]2 l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* T$ K0 _; \/ Z- w$ `' E

$ Q) l& r/ _& G0 I' P0 i以下是其他人的見解,
! f. M, X( Q& ~$ V2 G# H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ k; `: c. Y2 w# D  }* i
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 @" Z* j9 ]- g; _: D

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 c+ W  W' R0 Y/ A

  e, ^  K9 K  M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ |) {) G! C& n" Q4 }: C

) G: F' A2 y- \; O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( S; G3 }* L) x, P  u# w/ Y0 l
.............信耶穌... ...

/ _3 J3 H1 f* q  rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.