Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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1 Z5 n% C3 W: x. v5 g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' F+ l, o1 L/ i5 v/ M  X1 u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到& v* }: J/ h7 M, s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 j" A! i3 r, ]8 L% XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 F) y3 l( E' `" o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- T3 \1 Y5 p! i2 J; I7 T0 ]2 o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 w- F- I0 g$ K3 I2 r# d% X5 S我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 }4 s5 }1 X/ A% y真的!!這不是反話
) J$ f( G$ p. ^' k2 n因為我是情感比理性強的人3 A" F, v: ?- o" j$ u3 b
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 ~, @2 b6 L# U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! o! `& B4 X# m  i& g" f* U( @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( a7 ^8 d3 J9 ]* Y% |- r; s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; @7 `# N) R9 I* v9 b8 R( r( y- C) k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 N: A+ q( }& ~+ YWhat a statement we have here?
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% ~% c3 \$ T* X9 L' U5 b% v" |5 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) B, A$ k6 U, X1 g' I; X$ e

. J0 I" @' _6 ^) M7 MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" s. D8 b8 J9 k$ ^5 W% VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" [. P. @! H, t# Q" c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. S# Y% I5 j9 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 }$ Q9 k4 \/ i% x. L% h5 Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 W- D* F$ k- X) dit's starting because we have sins......! C4 z! Z4 t, P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# |& a. a! r4 M! g; v: p# Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 q9 E4 q) b+ |5 t* E7 I7 j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% r* N! G: G& B3 o! C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ ?7 R8 R* ^" j' y' y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 W8 E1 U# h0 ^  E  K( a9 K. }$ @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 g8 z+ S2 w* d4 S7 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 o/ a/ e4 H7 V) m4 [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; i2 }: f8 L# a3 o6 o  Z& L7 d' M( G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 J4 @- @8 Z& O# _5 T* w: e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 L  |/ r- N3 M1 M+ K! w- n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 |0 q% z; `' J- P3 s0 Y
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# p4 @: J+ ~+ c1 K+ X$ r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ ^8 `) s) U$ E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 \" s1 I% k- y4 s6 \0 N

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 [1 {3 o+ `& I. Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: H; L$ L# e# O6 K8 J5 v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; p6 R8 X. P) |$ K5 H# k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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1 w# B$ z- w! o* B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 N! v7 ~& D! }/ y: L% M! m.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, [5 r- y5 e- XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 h+ C) }- U8 K2 w1 Y$ j
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.