Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ @$ `/ i, V/ k7 |1 H( k& R我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ u/ U$ j: ^) W( C  I又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! A. {8 W" o/ Z$ D( `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% q, i9 M( G/ O6 ?7 @- _& H

. |) C4 X; M  K* ?. ?. gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 `  O8 k2 Y" X* x% `$ L

/ C, E  [; }" J5 B$ Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 j5 B6 ?' _, q0 m5 ]9 O0 W- u

' n( a1 a& k! l, c( A. [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. M, [- [6 z( T* b我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ k) c6 L7 R' W5 V; l. C
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( s0 E3 A+ d- F7 r! a) E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 G1 B  m) O1 r9 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! D5 ?# }- s( N& b1 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) `0 }; t  `% {, A* [

+ [% y6 t+ b* l5 PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " Y) z. H( q* n$ h/ g3 G

& _. E/ x* W% }) h' T5 r+ `% j- K8 HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! m% L+ G* `( v' s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) R! B( h1 `4 b' j+ B- q3 d# o4 J: a( ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 R9 m+ V' b: [3 I, d. Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* h6 O! g' k5 ?+ W* t9 Q, g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 c1 z; P  l* L! }+ p! T1 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ J7 M  ^- W& R8 d/ Z5 N0 C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 F" A6 m0 x' B6 _# z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" P" U& t8 {4 ~6 w5 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; ^3 a0 e! z  h  p7 b3 E1 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, ]0 }5 H& v; G' ]5 Y$ W* R

# T! z& {; ]0 U( g; i& t6 Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% _8 d' Y- I, O' Z$ r/ h( N5 A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% _8 _7 B& X* N, r! O4 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: N( y5 F6 Y" n+ ^
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- C% v7 q# c0 K7 F/ J! J& k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ }1 Z# a% N2 }1 \7 d9 d

/ l* O  ?5 p3 X0 i; `以下是其他人的見解,
  r5 v% S7 i8 _$ c7 [5 @) d& B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) d! b/ f. g- j; o3 L9 a

6 s: Q) D3 ]& G( P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" l& _' `" V1 n. O* y

& f9 I/ y1 }/ n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, @5 M- J, a8 p1 g同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ }8 O0 h7 j( ?  n$ j/ O! r  A' K
.............信耶穌... ...

$ O" m( Q7 v4 N$ o3 R4 w2 N& Y0 gRegarding the resurrection....
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$ N  ~* H: D8 J7 h  B3 o6 {/ b8 n5 eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% ~; i6 w3 H: lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.