Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 X% g+ k5 Y( H. G) X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到: ?4 k5 Q: i9 G3 l, ^! ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 {( S3 Z5 C& M9 K+ S* N4 xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& b) L7 J/ e6 E: c
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% {, G; ^& B& `/ Q; h* O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ o# r8 B+ i6 B- y; s* B# L
真的!!這不是反話
% C+ P: l3 c. c# E因為我是情感比理性強的人9 r: V- e( e" N! s4 j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) K+ K" d& P9 G, ~! ?2 |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 `: v+ ~8 X% g! h* x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 j6 Y& u' ]: @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; Y- L( Z* I- D1 W$ _What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 n) T4 D, W9 I- s* M( R

6 [$ d: u3 ]( N- \/ \0 A$ CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) K; F) T+ T# Z# xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 u8 J3 H) z  e' e2 R
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, L3 W; n" Y: n4 q* u, e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& ?( n3 J9 E: _"不信也沒損失"
' N5 H$ ^6 x& j) dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% f7 o* d& e1 P! Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 {. m' t& I1 p" Z' y
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ V. s, U! E% O! j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: i7 K, t; C5 G" u0 k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' X! U0 ^; }* n5 i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ e6 ^* @' P7 o  T7 y

! {8 m' P9 t; J/ q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& U- ?/ c1 S: a" G( l' w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! G. T( l( g0 J& D" x
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 p9 O. M9 `* \# i改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" }9 ^+ X- u# e  D" P* }: R
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 l6 w! F8 z4 l8 \* J+ b宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 u( m! ~) H$ e' I  H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* q0 x1 t' n4 |" L& k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& O( g3 `% r& m" \# x
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以下是其他人的見解,8 t$ U" O  @2 H/ D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" v! X4 q5 g  W( s+ Z3 h5 r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ G1 k( O; M/ k3 v& M2 y

& g1 V, [0 U) B6 ]- ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 O7 q0 o( w% M1 u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; u, ]: D! I3 r* z, a# a$ r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 z1 ?! |9 q+ {2 E# U. I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 G- @$ o# c, m9 p& z, b6 J8 w$ T
.............信耶穌... ...

2 @0 X) b! o: l/ n, U7 ^Regarding the resurrection....$ x$ G) G( C$ E' R" q& X. R  ?0 w
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.