Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% q! T) _& q& u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' ]3 c: P7 m8 C1 d; r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ |! i2 y; j5 a- D7 N, X' k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, [1 O/ n1 Q8 P7 [1 B6 ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 V1 k0 g+ z5 q6 u9 y5 U

& \9 G& j3 E6 b* Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 h; Q( Z( B  E; Z8 ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  b" r9 k' {4 A: W6 W8 Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 X2 E. |+ d9 D$ {0 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% ]+ R2 F6 O/ M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# U$ K* W2 ?" t4 W8 q  U& u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 T$ F  B) x) l! v* @0 Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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9 O% B2 O2 p% x& [4 i, IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * f+ u4 C5 D8 d$ |' U* W
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  U1 U3 v9 f- ^" @, a7 B1 X% m

( W7 r- A4 B; }# fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' a# x& F4 u9 ^' V7 K/ B5 v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 i9 C4 }  n& x8 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 W% \5 L8 S$ E, Y4 I"不信也沒損失"( s, l2 ]9 ]) M0 C3 X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 e0 D1 C) ]+ U0 wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 }# [# W& g- `
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( ^2 F* M$ w; Y* Q5 l$ Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: I5 V0 o1 @, X. {, ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 I5 p5 Z8 D- z6 p, N! f6 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 V3 i4 E4 n8 p9 f: ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," ~5 _( ^* p- k5 p) W+ q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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* [2 Q! l, N7 a/ G( e: c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( a6 X/ Y, g5 |. L' Y% H/ p6 i0 ^  c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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9 v5 @, k* a+ k& n) ^1 k7 O; Y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, m1 N4 r4 ?& U4 }0 Q" T5 Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ I' \, k! W- }/ {  x以下是其他人的見解,: E4 y$ T: L  R' x1 q4 U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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  R- z) l4 ]% h  A- U# Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 I2 p  D) d2 N, [# [4 _

3 [0 X- r7 W- ^9 c) h% |  Y. W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 h% |! C+ ]% q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: w! K) _% [9 W( O
.............信耶穌... ...

5 G1 L3 a) ~" R, E3 t+ F6 k; ?Regarding the resurrection....
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; q0 y5 U0 M1 v. `9 }2 V) TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% X5 a' n: V- ]+ E/ j# @$ i

$ n5 a+ t1 o4 z- x' _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.