Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 q& n4 j3 J, ?2 H) b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  X8 I$ `5 O1 u! J/ _又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) t' q" N! l/ o. o5 ]! ^) D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% m; S, d% g: w% a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' ?+ v8 ^, ~2 l  ~0 C8 K! k! `

) y# E! L# e( ?  U/ ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* I+ o- m8 z3 _" r0 l* V

% ?9 O3 E# W2 I, a) A  jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 B6 q# v) l/ q0 k4 E4 gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( y: L' i4 y; Z% @  u- I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" S' p. e$ z# F% ~2 r1 B* e真的!!這不是反話
. ^9 d( y- J' e/ B# [) O' o因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 S4 i1 ~: X0 Y# |! w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ E: H' C( K7 |9 f: x0 Y- ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." m9 m5 T6 l$ o+ O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?7 S; H# w  ~/ o

3 X' t8 J: Z& k) ^5 AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( ^5 ~2 S( f- p) c& N
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 O* }8 d* d1 `$ G- H4 aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ L* _5 j8 s3 G) u' ]. z7 e

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; h/ q6 ^, U" D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# r! p4 O$ \1 u+ Y4 k. k, a"不信也沒損失"
7 A" H1 Q/ }1 u/ Y- J; }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 y5 R* _2 S1 g  ^. ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": n4 j' C0 l. C/ D' Z" S! A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ u) R+ P  K5 f6 I: |/ X用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* `; C0 S6 n+ x3 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' {) K6 B6 v9 B, x) V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: u# A* }/ X- w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 }  s: J9 b' Y1 T5 T8 g2 D3 m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 F4 E, `9 w# K( |: d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ h, `& Y/ N) ]! q$ W, A
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: D/ I+ W: G- f/ x0 s: K宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% X- `" d0 d; r* O2 @, h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,5 h' Y/ f# O6 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 ~. C! h  C6 v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% k5 A, u: ?* I% m( [1 K8 ]" {
.............信耶穌... ...

) ^* V7 |- O/ Q3 VRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, R6 f- @( ^8 y( M7 B" NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.