Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 {2 Y2 a! W6 M, R+ E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! l" d+ i2 K# p5 m; T# l. O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 k9 ^7 A$ L0 s4 K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# _: Z5 d3 M9 [" \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% T* g2 _' H# M# o0 kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 ?- `; V) b$ H# n
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& k2 o0 m- P8 N, z4 }( p2 U$ Q

; C  ]6 w5 B/ m: }1 t  Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; O2 u+ S8 u: p3 K8 D8 d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 q! J2 {! l- f5 u+ O我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ h& }/ B/ `5 @. R; ^
真的!!這不是反話
7 ?/ f% N1 P8 {. ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
/ i1 o9 l& Z; `1 ~; \, |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ a$ L8 E1 `$ ^& L$ A( x$ k% m  {
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. d: P7 q4 a0 [3 N# n3 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  Y! d5 ~4 f; H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 k/ H( u5 G5 w. F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; J" N- q7 p. \2 ^# T$ x8 `1 QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & V6 o7 D/ J% q# R

  B9 E7 z7 _+ y5 @5 P2 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ M+ W' r8 T5 R) A- p3 [
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 O$ _! c) A+ n: T( N
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  M8 w& x: h3 q$ H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ?5 p& N8 h0 [- e: A  D2 ]"不信也沒損失"
+ }! D+ P9 S0 z2 \, I6 ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 o8 Q. G1 h# T, ?+ D1 }5 T# |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 R# x: f2 P- j9 c: J( T! [! l

1 W' |* _6 p# s2 G. w& tit's starting because we have sins......' n1 x8 F8 X9 u" L5 G% U" i" B" M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": G/ v" }* a; m5 T% j7 {$ e9 P' }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 R9 r3 v& A) C: u1 L8 @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. N3 r# k# `7 U: _4 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ F" {7 q- p* y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 A6 u$ {- O0 Q! g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  ]7 e. g, m! a. f# G+ G2 z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 J4 C. I9 Y: C/ t  K! w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ ?, L% S1 a, \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& U% z8 Q/ p5 ~) Y* [  ^# p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; ^" \4 H- G0 @( a* T/ i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 x  o1 m& ^/ v0 w9 p& I
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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" u( h5 u6 U$ \; q8 Q以下是其他人的見解,
' I: U# C7 W1 b. y# Y$ }" h! q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! X8 h7 G9 T# L3 P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- ]. b6 U) y: g* v/ D! ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: J: J* Z. d2 E1 L. g- S4 w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) C. z# `1 X) d) r# l% u$ i5 l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 D% L! O( Y( S  B9 d$ v/ `* j
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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1 \& F! l* Q- B& v1 C( {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.