Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' M  T/ V3 _$ w8 Z" C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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4 s9 m: H* Q3 }; L道理我知道好多只係做吳到& h0 m  M6 q; S. j( s. n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 c- q0 D- s: s9 G1 O/ i1 y  G5 {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 t. Q4 c+ P5 L

$ v( J5 b+ ^& R; H5 a. Q+ Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 h8 T$ u! s# R

" B- o$ ]; V6 g( R* u$ L8 P% hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; V) ~; g: {' w  I' S# {& z( k) @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 r4 w* N( q- F, U# b" Z. ^9 }: m我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 Q. J; n8 I: {8 w) g. o9 S0 [
真的!!這不是反話) O1 ~6 H0 i# a8 P$ H" N$ e
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 `+ j4 S' \) u$ O# o( m1 o2 r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 O+ F$ {/ u- ]7 _, K4 ^: o/ X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) W7 |, [: I. ^8 N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 F0 z; K/ b' H4 \, @6 `' W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' e8 _) g/ Z) k& ^

+ {! o% f1 a9 E$ g  J6 Z: fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( p" `. U" W2 o$ z2 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# T; Y4 r  p9 f2 R$ g: X"不信也沒損失"' `0 W- b9 {1 p! a- c- _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& c0 E) A% ~9 O/ Q' C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 R4 \$ [$ @# v

4 k4 L5 N4 j' H1 f( o* {it's starting because we have sins......+ W0 y$ k: J7 B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ D/ ?4 y  I. l% n) R$ Q9 H% l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  t  |" c" K$ M8 x2 \( `$ ?, M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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3 e+ ^# @3 C' U% U+ f這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% _: C3 b6 ?- ~: l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) {7 G0 Y( c! a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 T  ]) C$ \9 Y7 [1 a. Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 O& a, S- Q8 }' i6 K" t( u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 O$ R$ T0 O3 o6 C9 g

& p" j7 y' `. M  r6 C2 ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% b6 ?+ i! w& t' i0 O, q% V5 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 z$ X( J# H1 `7 ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ G& t* ]; J' e+ H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% j, U  W( U: G8 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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+ m, I5 |, _: F/ v2 g7 c+ h% q+ \0 x[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( `0 y9 l3 F2 M9 V7 y2 ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* G  Q1 P1 ]" G9 p( k% J, \) z/ J. X我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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' O, G% m( u9 n1 f: m# S8 mRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 a6 Y/ @7 @, Z8 ^. L0 a% w
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.