Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  S- D7 E$ m' c0 y( m9 c3 Y% k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# t: k+ ^5 X$ M. z5 H7 l/ x- j, l1 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  V$ ]* ]' q' ]' a% z  Y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: _2 w8 e1 M$ Q* M3 C4 ?( u' x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' O" a, e. a' J! [  c  Z! T" {$ UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 O1 \1 |' X4 ~/ h& v, a

: E6 p5 C% o0 O5 _- }( p1 Zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  ?4 L  j1 K; P; }7 a: o) U5 e
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: S$ Q" ?) a7 o; Y, C# y0 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ U$ a3 @9 N. x我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! u3 t7 G( m5 b# R2 ]真的!!這不是反話
7 j3 F2 b3 J- P) U0 U; |, S因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 H, p4 F4 A" A! G所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 v: Y- h' E7 B: k5 z2 P' J/ [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L- ?& S5 Z! e; ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ ~8 l+ k0 y% Q/ U6 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * c, I6 o; O2 m' m9 r4 t2 F

1 p; a5 i6 G5 q: G0 a* _/ FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; ]2 w- ^* v8 Z6 X- Z% G1 kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% ?( p% d- I! b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 k# C. t! ]1 ?3 s- H; f' H: d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 F+ `" n' Y/ s
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it's starting because we have sins....... _) J" g; ~# A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. f$ S6 @/ s1 a# \  Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 Q! O. `8 `$ m8 x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. p- `- i7 D5 |! @! I8 n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  A& q6 P9 D& i: O" v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 I* r3 `4 U- l# f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ A5 i# @4 z6 \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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) M$ N( O* S" E3 {" `% c以下是其他人的見解,
* ?( L( K# V% r+ C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, `8 _; ?7 l3 b, x# u

, `( |. b, `6 ~5 h: [! B7 R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. o0 [# Q9 ]! b7 `

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 O: }  u) H  k% C* N$ h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.