Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, I% X! n: ~4 O& T, n! z9 E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 r' V9 [7 Q& s. [& u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# h7 N+ i6 h, }道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 M% C1 d, C* a* p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ W- \3 ?" Y+ S/ wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 b( ?8 ?3 }6 d3 m6 j+ B/ ^

7 n$ S1 G# }% fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 d9 q3 \; i& z

5 B$ P- {6 a1 f- h5 m" Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 s6 Q2 T/ V$ i# ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; h* [6 K1 ?1 p/ X! s. r我只不過微小的基督徒...................
: n# j$ o7 D: D# t真的!!這不是反話
; d1 X- r0 d( F: p, U, f因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 t. Y- w- p- Z3 S0 j- y, u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 J; m/ r9 H+ {/ H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 y$ @. s6 e7 f' j! l- _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ @4 s( l% C$ Y% _3 D" s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 q2 U0 N9 x1 H' U! J1 Y7 u! Z9 {9 z( D

; D0 Y( N3 B1 G5 K3 Y4 l  ?# BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ i+ Y" U. i9 w, B; NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 L2 U* ?2 Q8 l& M! n/ q" {/ B

& G' s- D: {8 ]# YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& l! ^$ n* b  `; B! X/ I0 Y
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 J2 x& ^0 J" Z( V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) e  \( F2 Q3 p" z! O7 }4 h: N& bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ f3 ~, x& J. C% u. N8 w: bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* E8 [* d- y; @, F  K$ S. G. B

- i* Z  ^" u2 u9 Bit's starting because we have sins......
3 v% R: R$ p0 n2 `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; J1 N' _7 A3 g1 pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": J1 ?6 H% [( o, i1 _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& F! X/ S2 Q" i  H1 t4 I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. I1 a/ z) L; ], t: O+ l; p6 w0 R, Z$ I
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% b1 P2 {) C3 u- P8 t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. _+ Z8 E6 Y1 U$ S# m; b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 m) h0 C* Q% h1 J+ F+ N* {8 k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: S( o: G2 i3 l' b; q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. j% N5 g# |/ e' A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- J3 w' G1 S6 }0 r4 O* S3 M0 U1 n8 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! R: Q. c& C4 ]$ g
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% F. r- n) T1 T; _% q5 L! @; m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( [1 T6 P1 Z# o$ g* M( n
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以下是其他人的見解,* u+ g* ^7 [! Y* }# r4 Q) f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) s+ e5 m) R) |3 z0 v# v- o6 X/ m5 j
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 D3 {, K4 s  v* l% P
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ j/ d0 f$ d4 l) z% T) U1 i: p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ H- R9 O2 A6 P- ~: ^5 _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- h1 M" `% S- o) _

& a2 J3 ~  g: l4 x0 K/ l' X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 r* y- h) i: b  i( k.............信耶穌... ...

  ~# u4 [4 e) K# o7 H7 N2 FRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 y1 w/ y" s9 T! j- _: d& F: E9 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.