Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 ^) B5 V3 G& p6 _' q. e: y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ j# k* d: @, I6 |+ s" b1 Q1 @
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 I1 ]- j2 L; g# U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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" |% b: o5 t; a' ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% V) r* o" D8 j* S: f! c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 w/ H, ]+ J/ x+ z

; W- @" I9 z$ L$ O) nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 K  ~4 l( H3 r! L; h- g
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) m% ]( w% _6 vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 f2 R  f4 r+ d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 m( j9 o7 |( ]! {; |- z
真的!!這不是反話7 t7 z1 I0 u# v) t7 k7 z# n
因為我是情感比理性強的人" N3 f" D  I0 C+ {4 i: F2 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) l! Y1 S  W0 C8 B1 C3 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ |8 s# z, t* ?6 U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( F, {7 z: J8 B7 d, d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ U" N" W! a/ d6 X* pWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ y; v2 ~& ?6 p3 E: J  ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 D) \' p8 w; f- Y
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 q9 w+ {+ g0 G: ~: ~7 O, x2 Q! H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 @& O+ R8 c" A1 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ D2 w2 Q% b2 a: ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....... p$ {/ J& Q6 S  C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 p6 {. W' G4 w" R2 ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 p/ n5 r! V. G; P' F6 G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- w" F" J9 J1 @5 W# C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! A( @; [; B( B( E$ x; L) r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. m1 A: G& n, f+ Y  U+ Z1 T

$ }' L$ G6 E0 l4 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 b: w/ ~, V) {) w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- N3 C! o: v; a4 _/ B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- h, C  Y6 U; N- b; m% _7 {7 z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! `3 l$ Y& Q' M/ }- C9 p' g宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ A7 o3 {. C6 Q; A2 S2 E2 x! o0 C6 S
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 M; i9 Y( k$ w& \3 C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ {5 J! q7 L9 E! `; J; i" a  s以下是其他人的見解,
' u# z1 }; v, x+ P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 |. C8 a$ A5 B" x, S& l* L( \
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 K! `: [; n5 s0 N5 j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ s4 Z+ O# q* ]2 _( ~$ A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.