Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 Y  v& M8 \: |0 ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ J3 \2 z7 @0 A- z+ c

6 u0 U7 E, {0 O6 v4 g2 wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., p% t3 V1 K, B* \

) t8 ^1 ^+ k& k' ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  k0 t9 K9 K8 ]2 U% K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; o( T# U6 B& W1 \8 w6 w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# V  }. v5 T  ^8 S, P  f3 N- A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 x5 k7 q, q6 @0 @3 k真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) l- J! \; h  B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: X0 t& t6 ^2 c$ |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., X4 A3 w, C5 z, m  j' p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 I' i9 Y' M& P1 J/ m) N( b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 w+ v: U' B1 X! o6 h3 BWhat a statement we have here?
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8 J7 z( z* l$ b0 p2 Y5 b5 C% iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' y5 O7 f& e- \0 {$ K% r* M' ]
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"' H) z5 P! h9 g/ k7 N, C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... W, U( ]4 Q# a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ K7 \. K7 E" {- d% z
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it's starting because we have sins......8 C6 b1 d3 ^0 S4 Q3 D4 l) Z- N6 w9 C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' X3 j5 n( f8 ~* I0 v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 M6 u: L1 D# s" J5 ^. Y$ |7 T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) ~& l% d. n% Y1 {; J8 `- D& X+ Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ m* P1 B' H* W6 J& V" l: B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% ^2 K+ Q: R8 r  T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 M" O' |3 g/ x) t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( M6 T- U, T; ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ @! P/ f7 V+ ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& x  _1 D2 R: E+ L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 V/ m& N* I) V" w* z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& w5 f$ F, M3 Y7 n! n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, }. w# w/ W* U7 j6 D3 K2 R
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  J% t" p+ Z) V/ {( ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 m* g# Y' y- i看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 h5 x# a3 m) C* R6 p5 |) x$ U
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 D1 c6 x* T* d6 R% g' j/ [

) t! x) O' {# S& t- r/ a! z4 X* @9 @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; Y# D1 i& g( g9 g
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& D, o* F5 ]$ `3 Y' L
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 D+ i0 [! `: I4 t& O2 U& ]5 L" l.............信耶穌... ...

9 Q* P. [8 |/ u8 xRegarding the resurrection....! g* V+ R. u' G) G. j2 n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. w% S/ n3 o( lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.