Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 J' [; d7 ^5 O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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5 ]' v2 d$ J/ k9 B道理我知道好多只係做吳到- |" L8 y& Y; J7 y; l& \; W: w& R/ E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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4 `% j0 J: K8 m4 ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 {) X2 H0 R$ W" Q, N$ b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ [2 N  N8 Y3 j. g- O# T/ F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  S" l- _. u) T
真的!!這不是反話9 L' W; l& L& J+ X# t( [+ Q7 t1 C
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- I; }) Y* i# O" j, O) K( L7 @( I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ |; G/ u6 c! h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  d- X0 [' E/ m( n! ~"不信也沒損失"
4 F, ?8 ?. [/ j; b+ Z- D# M$ oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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; ]8 U" X3 u+ ~) ?4 y0 Y# x% s% Dit's starting because we have sins......- [: Y) N+ q: @% |7 @/ _5 n) a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! {# t2 m, N+ j; w# S2 nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 d5 l  x: ?) f; T& \7 |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: S: q1 x5 z: {8 ]8 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 C( a8 c; w$ t7 G5 C) u) O3 x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 D) H- j/ h5 M& r' a# E9 ]% N
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ J. p4 N6 z" t- @9 T" Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 m( f& {$ P7 a0 v! w( G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# J% `0 q) q3 y3 a# A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% r# i; B7 _& l. d( K3 G8 U
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* t9 K% d* ~5 C2 j3 g# T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! P7 N" ]& F  f  |- F. q
.............信耶穌... ...

- l7 t1 p; E1 T0 GRegarding the resurrection....: s' w2 J% w8 {, U
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