Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- F6 X- [. T: Z3 c3 U" w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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" K$ Q/ m3 v% D1 j& C道理我知道好多只係做吳到- M% [/ N& b4 O, ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) W: a0 C* l6 l# q" [- [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; M- O, _$ |: X& H
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% ]/ h# G3 D( q* ?: l* wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. {1 ]$ n0 v# X4 S" H; B6 }( i* d' M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 }5 W) I: v/ y- o9 q, z: |
真的!!這不是反話
. v6 p7 c, M  E( M) W因為我是情感比理性強的人. B$ q* p* N' {6 B8 y* a3 }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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: e/ ?: Z) c! t( w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( O+ @! }+ L' p: }8 X5 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 p( ?$ I0 s% J( D# f& }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ |0 X( x; w! y) }; s2 }What a statement we have here?
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3 @2 M8 X* l; B% nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . X5 b4 B9 z# V' w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% h. |( S" S+ C4 {

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 I4 ?1 t4 p* b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ t2 W$ U/ W) z"不信也沒損失"7 ~, m1 }" c9 e- \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... w' L, |, Y% g2 K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  q* F+ B- M$ V* Qit's starting because we have sins......
; n: C- m" f1 m7 ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. L! p- N9 u. O" X7 p8 h. eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 M4 O1 q/ a" z: ^6 `- v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," t" i! b6 e! \3 M- m( }: V$ B( r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, Y: S- I% ]$ @2 X# J+ c: V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# w' l# }. X# `( a5 ]5 `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: J3 t  j3 v0 ~( ]$ z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 I# |/ Y5 \" I* x2 `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 g- a# V* y4 d$ h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 c! A- J! E, O9 X6 C! Q$ F

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  }2 L9 k5 L, G9 V: p' N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* W) W' e- b, q/ p, d9 s( V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# p+ X4 ~* k4 R# ^0 `4 ~2 M: F

- I7 V- ]4 b; F7 P以下是其他人的見解,1 v- R1 t0 ]. \5 @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 d3 X9 \- G. b8 S+ @1 U
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 a/ R9 |& n3 f2 b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! J$ W& d9 b/ x7 f& f+ n  i.............信耶穌... ...

& g# e/ p: }) C3 p8 I, nRegarding the resurrection....+ a8 ^6 S" x& L* w3 ]8 y+ v. B* x
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( A( u& S3 g7 {# X: R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.