Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& R8 J& A" i) g我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 y3 E' \0 u  g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ v1 p+ }( u) q道理我知道好多只係做吳到: _2 B4 q/ X4 J* n8 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 |/ u1 e2 K9 P4 pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 X* L3 \/ D; J# x1 X: A9 y# s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% o) I4 d3 D- _4 {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  H/ U+ M  T4 M9 o4 W3 K5 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ ~. v# N- i* [2 E# L, P9 m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 X1 q7 t4 I7 h( G) N# E$ H真的!!這不是反話
+ e* g) `0 c) E2 R) k. t3 M因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 c$ g# J, R2 A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ Q8 H) {, q, x5 y; h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 r8 q+ `* |" |1 i7 V( q$ k/ d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 t# m  E. `3 U% w* w) r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 P$ c1 g4 \1 [' I+ z# p2 i$ ?$ v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 b, c4 P9 U2 E' S7 X. V" M2 a7 ?What a statement we have here?) W2 F0 r+ A& M' n# d6 X
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& B' H9 b7 e5 K& o, V  zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* B! a' y4 v* O& R"不信也沒損失". ?6 F$ K" E2 c9 O+ ?& B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( |. y6 z) ~. S7 B! w) abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: a4 c: Y: K- ?7 [8 ]8 u, jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   X  Y  {2 I1 ^" z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ e: F7 o2 z' F( j/ w4 y) S- t0 m8 b% {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& c9 ]& K* r. f8 l2 ~! T4 w
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" Y  y5 C* t) d# j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 X3 O+ \& e# s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* `- V$ b" P  D9 M6 @" o1 f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: \! C1 S5 J+ H9 k$ {
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ?: }7 g6 p  c5 }1 z9 A$ C! _# f# i" }' G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. h# l8 T- N0 d" _- E" o- e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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( @# g& b; f5 ^. z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. i, c& I; M0 V% h! z! h' U2 j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 ~' r: D; c; K$ K2 {5 a' D, G看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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' }* x* H$ \/ _' j" O5 K' E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: Z. q' P6 I2 q) j5 p' v

. Y. R0 R' B- _$ ]% o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 i: s$ h/ `$ ]# o- ]) L. ?: B: Y
.............信耶穌... ...

9 ~8 q) V) u2 HRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.