Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 j) ~' x* s( L+ Q/ B6 Q, E) W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 D. ~! R& a: e, E又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 B' o2 P+ P$ b, @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! ^" X5 q0 R* v8 n- c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 D3 M# x; ?/ T

  H, R  [  K4 A) h8 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 H( G9 V; j, X& M5 U, U' Q9 }# J

8 x- y" n  _% G, gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! q& A% O+ o4 _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 p5 M# f  q4 U  K# ]" D! ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  N  d; S6 e9 ]4 |6 R* _8 z真的!!這不是反話
* l' r4 {7 t' q因為我是情感比理性強的人% \2 [- H" l' A, D+ {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 B+ ^' @" J) j, }( k1 E1 O, X* g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 g$ e5 k( V# L0 T. E, J  E; C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 L& k) R$ c& ^( j. S' [" e2 [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ z2 P. _6 L! N1 ?1 @* T3 z8 jWhat a statement we have here?
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) w4 S) K' q8 G% gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% I* F1 E5 L9 n/ p) `( RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& {. r8 s1 [  A: r# b$ I
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 N! k& p% A( i9 c% x/ @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( U5 g+ |) h: w) D2 ^"不信也沒損失"
8 U- P3 d" p% E7 v( B3 n( VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! ^/ Y6 A8 n* x9 P! Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 Q* N* x4 c! e% z) X; X4 I3 [/ \satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" T0 o  @# _. T/ r3 b5 wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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! D, K1 g' e+ j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 b  g# O1 |" q, x- O% j' Y8 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: J3 H7 M! L1 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 \/ l& ]2 m3 t$ g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( p9 x( ^! ?& n( ^5 y

2 S" Y3 z4 g" m4 h. Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' a1 t! ^1 F2 Q4 N; k6 l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 t: l5 p9 e' k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# O2 B+ t+ O( d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 b* `" }! V6 e
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 `/ t2 u" y- m. X, q( p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,! v; j/ B; Y) G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 C- i. ]( l7 B5 v- s* i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' c; q4 [) E$ f& T( ?5 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' ~6 l; C* o3 P# T; u2 a( b# x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 [" K# I) L9 s

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ k( _& F, f& i) N/ _7 |% `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- M( a1 A/ ?+ s0 Y9 x( B+ G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 p0 J% s# T* Y& {9 `: k

, G# V- G) d2 R8 N& s5 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.