Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) w& j- G. B1 a我係一個連自己都吳信的人& |7 _9 `! Q* k: d% O* P1 d* x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ s* Q: X! r# U  A" Q( w+ `道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! Y! ]+ e- [' L& O8 C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' h1 o* t) J7 T- a! G+ i6 N3 |0 ]# ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 G/ k3 @' V! o# ~) HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% ~% X4 l- k  ^

3 N/ w" g" \( M8 f& r3 a  M! Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ q) m3 }4 T5 l: j$ I" v

0 g# g6 `: ^2 \& ~% `! ]8 [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 H- l. M( Q' |2 S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 D4 ^9 ~' I  C% U5 o, c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. C9 \( m6 P$ R4 _真的!!這不是反話
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% B0 A: A/ k( J* y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% j! A2 A  w  E7 t2 g( t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ v. q+ M+ U* m: r6 c) J  o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 D3 X- Z+ Z# a) _* \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 m% s6 h5 {* m' i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 F7 d5 z' V4 g. Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' }8 v4 e* K, u  N

+ Q, |6 k/ ]) {2 k( G* T% aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 O  `' h7 O" n' k

3 J/ C; _' c9 i# k" VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 J& N, Q' E) |" D0 S' n! z- n
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  T4 x& J2 m! r% O6 ^5 B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# ^- Z: R3 y" B; ^# z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... Y! T  i3 ^. G+ V% d- Y6 F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 @& T: l: @8 D3 B, Z9 u

; |& W" n  n! q( `it's starting because we have sins......$ G2 w0 a! x! s) P: l# L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : H7 B# K& B3 Q7 ^: ?- c. g- X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 _; e" O/ m. `5 I4 @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% k" R$ g4 S- W7 ?; T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: z( w$ j% e5 {: P: U% L" d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 @' n$ E2 {% K2 o' p6 a+ x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* p  J* e7 `* V7 w+ t; _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; J/ o- m% C2 \* F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ ~, J6 x, F. ~, w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% Y! ?; k2 w$ M" M
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& T4 ?6 ]( V1 L' o  g, X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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' ^- @0 E: R* X( m! \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# q- ~! {3 s& r# C4 S! c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" F  I5 d7 \% T1 c. x' j9 x

* d! U8 c+ X$ k以下是其他人的見解,
( H2 ~2 K2 n/ x4 {4 w看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 I6 V* ]/ H0 [: J, h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. [& S/ T! w4 E# B3 E' v

$ k8 H- |! q$ ?; K  D7 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! H) u4 o5 X9 H; k, N; F

  q) |+ j9 B  r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& T: R  D) T9 F1 T

6 Y* Y. [4 Y" S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" |7 m3 D0 h& E! z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% D- W, X; L* D5 u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) j/ u& |  ?7 ?" Q. Y

! R2 r6 G" N2 R& e6 BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.