Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 ?; B0 y: `2 I( n( u8 {. ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 V9 ]7 M# ~5 ~3 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. n9 c3 l8 T' `; f4 z) y道理我知道好多只係做吳到  Q0 h+ j0 ^: _0 g5 _# r9 s8 a$ }. r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 n. o9 {% K; c3 h; q: tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 G8 l2 q3 R. q! e8 _% p: U
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& d8 r, M% ?3 ^) g6 P1 g- a/ X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" H  E8 c0 T6 M+ N0 C$ V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' J8 [& S8 h2 P真的!!這不是反話
. b* I6 q' ~- i" c因為我是情感比理性強的人9 r7 N" K0 M) S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 H5 r+ J8 N$ ]" Z. L2 ~9 @4 J4 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 A. O3 t/ H/ h+ O9 j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 D. c$ d5 A* O& `* n) R, N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, V1 n( t0 x/ ]; Z3 W. J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- L3 X, B+ Z; `9 KWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ b& Q" X; X2 M! G2 z8 ]- \

$ G' d/ n) e" {4 [% o; eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 e2 O- {- S; O& d* o0 A% v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' q. ]9 K+ w' z8 v* n: c' J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' m5 L# x8 Y6 h( u3 E"不信也沒損失": r; L% i" A7 \1 K0 I' h. u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' O3 s8 p; Y$ E; @" B4 w, `: @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: q, j3 E2 y9 ~+ Y: ~, \. q% Y

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  E) z# b, l- T) c2 Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / n2 {$ |3 j6 }/ d/ V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% e2 w- w. I( h/ r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 @$ k; _# M5 H% S- s. M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. T9 D9 K5 k! P- M- y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ I4 I1 c5 }' }, ?' }如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ ?. x+ r6 ]& q6 [: Q2 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 h/ t( ^9 i/ H) D* ~6 m1 I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 U$ _* m2 s6 @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 v) a1 V6 Z6 L9 J0 d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. Z, G$ i3 P; O) i$ ?
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 ~- N. ]4 j: ~5 t+ t" s; P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- p' ~6 J1 E+ |, g. O9 L信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 I* i& N# z4 u- Q* S
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以下是其他人的見解,- ]4 c+ X% P# E) H1 Z9 |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ b: Z9 V: q4 N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& Z8 i7 J( M  u- }4 `# s. A5 c

" S. v1 u) X: E* F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ C2 |* H% i1 Z& `, X' _! `5 a* w

2 |! ?4 e0 i: M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ O, H0 G4 `4 f1 @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 u! h' X0 _  v7 H. J, i2 f.............信耶穌... ...

! ~( w  x3 m: H5 |4 \7 E# G$ yRegarding the resurrection....
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9 l6 Z8 y8 x* ~" k" [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ F' }9 p( U, Y! _0 x: jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.