Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( p2 P# L: ~; M# V5 i" l5 Z; m我係一個連自己都吳信的人: t6 E+ G- h1 X: Q4 W) v" H/ s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 X( j$ a) g0 b* ?# }- z& s+ R
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" F6 H1 ]) B& ?9 n. N* _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- X. s- h. b" @4 q( i# r9 n  O+ ?

% u  X. f  Z3 J7 v" yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& Q6 c. n& [6 k5 c; ]; h% U( vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 `6 A3 G# Q  [
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& C* I6 T/ K8 f3 F6 P& r! pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  P  w# }. A( A$ G) r我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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- c' g/ r/ w. v9 U  z因為我是情感比理性強的人
" ]3 S: U3 t$ x- J所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  z% r1 _: a) N  Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. a6 L7 C7 O* R7 ^7 K) u# G3 a! G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 C9 q) W* l+ l* O" ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 |0 I7 p3 e4 [; W) k# F, f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! a' s8 D$ d/ [& u

! Q* `1 H/ g. d- A7 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   @/ B  q, T# R

* k0 r  l! p4 x3 g: gI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; p$ i+ ^) P3 E+ N4 q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; v" \& R: Y/ R: \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& n$ p4 C( E: k' L7 R; o, d/ _# {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 N8 R' m2 @5 w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# \2 ?; `3 L% R& s! j, Z! b
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it's starting because we have sins......
* G* ~" [% P! l' u3 E4 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ r7 ^0 Y# w; K7 G9 B8 ?. pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* Z6 d: V* C: z/ C4 X4 B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- `5 r( Z, p& g. \5 U" V/ h用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ \5 n% E, K+ j- U- R( |/ {* A# P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 b3 q+ d2 H8 R" \9 o* N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 n5 ]; z% l# N, L- ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& |- u! \% d1 ?6 m3 {: f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 E8 n+ V, ?  Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: T6 `1 t/ |* b1 I7 ^& ~3 t% R
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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/ v2 \9 X4 ^, T" c2 W& @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: j" f7 l) w) x6 t, O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 r8 o2 w& y; l# \% k, q以下是其他人的見解,
3 c( ~) w' C  z. r# T& c看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 j; R4 r) ?% p! C

& C4 h( A) C7 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 l9 Y4 N/ T1 k% k3 f( D

1 p7 a2 ^0 D5 m; ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 f. s& U$ g( I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 ^% J: J  p) L1 }

  F* T; h* g5 p/ h' `5 V" T2 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.