Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, @: A1 t# }3 ~4 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 b  E( K9 t9 @- O- W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, @2 l; z" {" s( V2 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 U: Q) b! D: q- E! S5 smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* Y" H, }* ]0 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 X+ o. j7 ^$ L+ `7 z2 C# U4 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  t% I  ?, A$ U6 ^. v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 k6 G: G% {- [" u/ O3 q
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; \. g) W  i( r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ L8 F& P" B& C/ V6 y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 y. U8 q6 o$ c, _+ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) j/ K$ _  T6 Z: S

0 e$ l& V' a( w3 h9 j8 BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% X4 h( b' Q  XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ O% i: @+ C5 _9 }1 C) T5 ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 q$ X% Z5 S" w

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" f1 x+ s' D9 p* x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 e" ?/ b* v( {1 h8 \5 z. {4 u$ H"不信也沒損失"
: O# X9 T% r* }2 J- x# GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# Q+ g, e- ?. N' c/ c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ]6 Y; d* z# n1 m7 b$ {! A1 n

0 w$ y$ S' [7 P/ C; ^it's starting because we have sins......
3 s2 G, g5 ?' n0 f$ K3 R/ ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 l( t; y# I; K- [( S6 ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! l3 G. r: W4 u% s0 |  Z" V7 \2 @9 s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) H* n( l0 a* ~/ D1 L6 x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 e; `9 \2 B( {; `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 B* j0 n8 d6 r9 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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/ V: @& {0 T4 h' m+ T( @5 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ q) U9 L' F; c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 h) |& c$ W% U0 ~7 H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 C( n5 R8 i# ]. p9 ^) j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 e/ l+ P0 ~2 Y. r- U, P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' z* U0 D2 s* G- Z) k/ x6 |

( B# @, J$ a+ A! Q0 f& ?8 |以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 _/ r( O/ T$ z$ M' r" ]

1 X. X; r7 [  H# ^, h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ Q5 E' Z; T, w3 m3 j/ Q# Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. J5 r3 P* D6 o$ M( I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- W% D4 h$ l/ |) x/ z% ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.