Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* n' A# ^  Y+ R6 C- v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: D' J) F4 P* r; sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... Z$ i; ^2 l# A6 }9 m

5 b! e" N; h: a+ x* G+ jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 ~5 ~# _+ K( d9 j- |8 G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 C& n+ D3 l; A) Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( C+ B3 m" v- _% e我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 p4 ]0 t$ f& I! p' L7 b7 }# j真的!!這不是反話
1 r- K/ S9 r3 s2 @- ?# p因為我是情感比理性強的人3 L# q* v- n- I( D8 e- J) ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" s& t$ S, Q% E  A1 U3 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 ?+ I% y* i- |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- ~- h6 Z/ v0 h3 S% U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 {; }+ ^3 y) \
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ s* t9 \( `# t; l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. V, y( r- p3 [6 `" n9 L5 ?/ u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 r  |, [3 L4 I  Z0 L6 E+ ~" M" ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' G6 P2 y' V( i; b( \/ R4 U: n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* W4 k' e. |$ D4 B$ ~1 R* Q! b) N

9 ?: R. B/ T) M5 {3 wit's starting because we have sins......5 t& Y5 z1 X7 ]6 B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! b! ]" o. N1 y& s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# D! y  J& w9 j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 I+ i: E, l) v$ ~
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 ]3 Q" {* A6 J* |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 N; M. \  e7 c( u, o/ k& S) w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 O7 G1 ?1 q: t8 K1 n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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  V6 [, o9 B" i3 [2 c  W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 u2 R: _8 B  `4 v& Q$ e# @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# ?+ p& i8 l* Q; U% ]: f) i8 L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: i8 W. z9 W; o
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ K9 D0 e8 q$ P: c4 d$ N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 E, `1 N: h( E7 r1 R+ T" y# p$ V6 |
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以下是其他人的見解,) B' T  K6 T) j. \; `6 E$ L8 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) B) B+ H8 M1 k( Z  o
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- ^3 m$ }5 s) N1 z+ O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. J9 s/ }( @* b; ]' b# M- R7 o% v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 r. m9 S3 B5 B  ^2 O$ @" W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ T8 C2 Z, r# S" x' \2 B$ l! ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 v  s# H9 y- @.............信耶穌... ...

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. D8 }. s" M4 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: W* ^1 z& B2 `, R% ?

1 P: Z: N" w$ U, wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.