Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 F- I0 V5 G' F/ w' X. g& D( \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ ~) p  m2 U0 l* f' G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* ^& G, m5 Q% q- u6 E1 E( P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 `% u2 p' R" y& c9 N/ j% ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: E' V/ ?" x1 l9 N/ `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# d% k2 |: L: H3 y( c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 \! b1 l2 D  g9 p; Y  q9 Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; o9 W% l7 r1 \  C) n# r
真的!!這不是反話" x" v4 O0 g7 ^- K8 A
因為我是情感比理性強的人
# j% G( ^  e+ o& B$ y3 [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  W& A& B# I. E& N( N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 T1 D) e/ s4 i7 f+ E; \* S. E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- c7 ~; a, O0 |4 ?+ L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 D; r$ O* b" r, r" n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 e" q; D) {) S# ^
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) a0 T6 e. {4 p2 K

  n9 s( ]& W9 M8 s2 x0 tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; c0 W1 |1 |3 Q+ a$ C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 b' g8 j6 a  A2 _"不信也沒損失"
1 U2 o4 F9 P  U" p. r* ?6 JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 t& H+ P8 P6 c" M2 T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ C! _, ]5 ?' }0 M( C) i2 m  s

" R% M. l6 Q% J. R& Xit's starting because we have sins......
+ j: I# q) L* a4 X& Y! `# u8 csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! N( p" v( B0 O) a+ d
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ K% R- L' {! A) o" ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( u8 T; {$ d6 U2 \  ^5 Y& }3 ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," }6 y# p* I' T2 |) |. b. w* n. L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% z7 i/ ]  Q; L* f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 L& o* ]9 u  `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 h" D" H! u' I1 Q6 }/ J# R
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% A- F: ^) T7 D+ T2 t+ ]
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' M6 B# _; h6 ]3 {( b4 d$ ?信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 A- o2 }  {( V  K: ~6 Z+ r1 U以下是其他人的見解,
: T* W) X; u% S3 a: b( ~看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 ]# p  J/ v& A2 t2 d6 x
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 h2 W' g+ }# {8 y8 P
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 S' l4 G4 e4 s7 Q# f% ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  V- d. ^2 I5 K! y1 }2 y

# z; e; p4 |* m/ j  a$ x, w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 y- t- ~9 o/ u8 o" y8 |同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 Q; B% `2 _  Q/ z- |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% G' m* y2 a  B. X; T& _
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) A' M" s' u, S1 wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.