Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! B  Z9 m5 w1 Z$ N我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." {; @6 O; B. Z) X( Q7 M5 P/ h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* G0 k. P, ?2 |# [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' i* L; S+ m# h0 ~1 lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- p. i6 C' g' ]" [) Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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2 L1 o1 O. l/ ~' l$ X1 A2 U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  e% x/ s" F3 \# L3 o: L4 H) ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 V1 T* y, j7 Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* ^! g; n! t2 r7 c7 l3 D; C# x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?! _/ C( }) H; T" C. q% Y

6 ]+ V# {9 I! V4 e. HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; s1 {+ b8 W* a0 KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  d+ o$ F5 g" t7 U9 {* r! R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 R: W" \) R8 d) q* E

1 d/ f; j+ e$ v' w& r' Eit's starting because we have sins......( {5 t% ~  m2 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 U9 ?; }; [9 X. D) v2 \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 n5 P9 @3 R( I6 V+ B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ f% q; \! R0 ?' ]% p! X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 b  M" w& |5 B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 d: L/ e3 o/ o" I5 U0 F2 e# p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 o, }! Q8 \8 p( q( D9 R. Z/ C9 `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( G$ h3 k9 x) V7 r3 j" e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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; `+ ?3 @6 K5 P1 F- ^( M0 Z/ q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,2 F. g4 |( b; A' r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. T) F) P! r8 y  I2 J- e% s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: A6 O' P# I4 s6 R5 a/ b# q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....! |$ U# A; a! j4 Y6 e8 T& f
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 @2 V) ?) g; J& m4 D+ F/ kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.