Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& a  c5 Z* S3 V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. D7 M: i' g( U( c, s
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; N. Y, G% z" X0 W" d; t& \道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* K1 U. h$ w5 t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 u2 R1 A, H5 n  ~- K5 t4 z/ h

& z! X. W* {8 ?) T9 kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ _! R6 \3 p. |& F% w9 h
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... f3 H" i/ S; y# l# z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- \+ b7 u9 _; b' y, z& n' K4 J8 A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 ?5 A: d9 u9 Y1 [+ X- }& D我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 s' n) b- Z7 h* L) }4 k
真的!!這不是反話
: o1 ]9 E! T& d0 g! {# H. w因為我是情感比理性強的人, v# G4 G0 ~2 U" f  y4 Y4 K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% d! g3 E- X- c9 Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: a- L' _4 R8 @; R, W; w1 ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- M5 Q% t, h% w4 [5 U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' N; V  B  M$ t3 K' x3 @% X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 t' D8 _, {2 Q8 ^# V- ?, e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) N& L' H9 O! e3 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 U/ j( _, Z' n/ x8 v# s  n& E* F- Q"不信也沒損失"$ [1 T: j: O0 @5 \' M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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7 t0 K* [# g, Y, B4 nit's starting because we have sins......
% R9 d% \5 c7 Fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 K* z% D! l$ x3 ]4 y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, w- P6 d# o: C" e5 S9 n/ e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 ]3 z$ I4 o5 u; a5 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ X  I3 A1 T' u% R3 z8 c8 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 d! \* a- v$ X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 Q, i& W4 t3 }* F1 {) r( s2 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 s, o3 h5 I  I1 {! f% ~: o# k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 q+ E  {: J) P4 e2 L9 `& d: j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! g# i7 p' U/ a2 T! B7 Y4 J

! \- m; P8 a4 A. k4 @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  ]# g- S$ g) }( B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ b+ \( W4 }' T; ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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2 g0 |; a' o/ }/ Q4 Q3 @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ q6 c6 v% W/ |6 P, O2 i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 I, n1 {1 X) K5 t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 T1 b/ y) T# T' S3 [4 T. T不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# k* y0 _* `- [( w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& F* |. `0 ~- `; Z; ^
.............信耶穌... ...

8 j1 P7 N% A: e; D( M$ y& k3 m9 QRegarding the resurrection....1 Q2 R/ v0 N8 ~4 m

  A9 o. F. D% M0 }+ O: \* X0 i3 cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." y8 X- V, d& h" E
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.