Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 d* F9 r# t" X6 |3 G& C+ ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  M: \1 W4 e. y: t2 q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 I. w8 S5 \( B* A% x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 n/ [' |$ S; f0 |6 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% p( b- n8 l6 J4 j2 Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." p; \* g" ~0 [+ ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  m: Y& d! K8 ]+ }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) l3 ]6 k5 t4 ^9 I4 o1 a
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" C+ I" k) n7 {+ E2 Q' c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) n3 g! ^1 Z/ ^4 O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( _" F9 ~4 v  V' W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: }' D1 f" C/ c1 S8 t# a4 f& c

/ k7 v7 X- ^: X1 J* D/ o- MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % @+ ?  V/ t2 f  [# C

% F6 P. c# d! v  PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, X& c: x; k# l7 m' y* ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  _! Z) ~: \0 s3 Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  f% M5 F! {7 Q: w8 `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, {1 z' U) W- P0 Q! a; V: a' u4 lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 p. l4 O3 h8 M# y2 p. O

9 C" G3 G# D  Oit's starting because we have sins......8 b3 q+ @0 s* e- C/ @. I6 h7 _$ A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # r, G; w" k. u4 @2 {/ D* j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 j7 v5 N  y- P8 s4 P( \0 @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 f+ W: R; f2 o7 I% g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 ?# U* G3 h8 ?  u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) S5 q: Z. ]5 G9 `/ @. [& F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 n% N- D/ d! O: i# i+ w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 H$ Z- a4 H% l) o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- r. S# }0 B- p, W% n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 l' w' _1 b* r/ O  N" P* E! [

: I; @3 ?; c0 H$ D" g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; o! Z# Z3 R# A2 [7 I8 g, D0 p+ I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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" n, J' d) G1 f5 f2 ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 p2 N8 P8 V: x+ e  ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' ~; A( l3 j1 @

2 @6 q! F7 K& a6 s: c以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& C" v7 S% j0 }6 J/ E7 h: Y6 X我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# v3 f2 L4 D& d8 }: a
.............信耶穌... ...

) s- e- t$ b' CRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.