Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 U# {! V; Z" E) Z; o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' ]6 z/ s! |! y$ i$ z  w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: o. |) b  L  j2 _9 |8 e道理我知道好多只係做吳到# B# {1 a" y6 k% b" K; o1 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ x& z& ^( M  q# Y7 x4 L( E- A  N( k

, o$ t$ M! e' q, G1 Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; R( A3 K2 J( {+ @2 b$ Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 L0 J8 C6 E" Q* K% g) W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 \( g6 D& j' z" Z& l4 h, q因為我是情感比理性強的人+ q7 [7 O' i7 ?1 i9 E7 T& t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- M* r) y9 S; C1 `* E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' a* }' Z4 j# A+ q: h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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2 a2 f/ k4 w% W4 RWhat a statement we have here?& E3 {( N0 p9 h0 l9 @9 E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 s, y5 z/ B" EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, K9 E+ P3 g) N" i/ x! V( j! l' ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
/ `! E) w2 v4 Q( wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins....../ T9 L6 I. f& a8 S5 O" L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ A% G$ ?5 W0 R) X) S7 v4 d
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 H  L' b9 u* z3 V0 |% h5 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! ]5 I- u" g3 H) \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 [% ?. `+ ]2 H: j8 W% M0 H6 k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% Y. V# P9 k4 n0 U7 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ f9 d' R& I" B# v+ ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* _( D% Z0 i7 `( h: @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 M: m9 T( K( z& ]$ s% `* s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! Z% n0 |5 g+ K! _& P8 i# \

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8 S$ N- C7 r3 n" \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 Z% q* T- n1 G  i4 A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
' y! [4 x# d( X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% G. r8 |8 O/ f! h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 v. _+ v! F! W/ F" u  |3 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( g+ b) C0 `' ?0 F, l. I

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ T' f* K+ |3 e, H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 V$ ?, x* d1 \+ \5 B0 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.