Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; ~' |' {  i0 s8 c4 U6 }2 P; K8 m我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% @! a) T# N. |# u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, P# L/ g' A8 ^* V# q& P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ ?2 j" Z6 ~; p9 d5 d呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 }3 d- H  [5 H6 R$ _* w5 \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 E, T! e; B9 |8 C3 G
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% K* t9 w* K$ Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ D. q' f* `/ u& |; d  }1 O! c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ o. V, X4 l9 [; ]0 b4 `" c( f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 Y% w* v7 p- [2 ]
真的!!這不是反話
% l' K6 N3 t9 Z! I# A因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 J1 P: k# w" s2 M; ~& f7 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; q9 ]- @& @- i3 [" B4 Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 o  M3 |8 N- C8 s, |" f9 i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: t+ G. l7 W) g% H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( S( L2 j4 I* F  \+ y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 ^, k7 Q; F. L4 K9 h# X! o) W; T
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- ?) Y8 Z$ u; U0 r0 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 L$ J. U5 V: s8 ?9 e6 b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 C9 f6 r& X/ C: w  @. Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' A' {, H2 e5 ^7 X+ n

  ]  ~5 E' i* u( ^( hit's starting because we have sins......7 N9 @- v$ ^* R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! `3 K  ?9 }! k, i% B+ w. Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! F6 [+ Y* {- t+ Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 n7 L9 @. @" I* q4 o7 G1 g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ Y* y) ^) q1 P6 u1 t! k
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! J6 g/ N( W+ j  c& N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 n9 T4 G, b( p/ i1 F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: j" `# k$ K- V) i# \% U

  ?' P- p* c" |- w/ e  Y% w" e: d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# N; R- L. d/ [* O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# L& R: [; j! q8 d# ~: v$ Q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! A/ T9 J' e; x  v2 E宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* O! m/ b, U1 b, G' I& L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. f" {9 C0 u( c- n: Z2 F

9 A* u2 U  G; [3 n! g以下是其他人的見解,
4 O* h+ N- c/ Z; ^看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 u/ D: E6 ~  ~+ `( @% T8 s

/ `* ~5 s9 I3 w  Z: W不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ j! m' L, r8 i" t: b& B% k6 ?

! [$ W5 Q# i4 ]1 ~% t6 f( E我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 g5 U* D. d% W/ v6 P1 T) I4 G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 L5 l; a. q$ z( `# R* z.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 c: l% ]1 J& d2 A& F0 a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." q2 V2 [' Z( ^
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.