Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- `0 P: U! @/ a9 x) j3 O* q3 S我係一個連自己都吳信的人- F+ ?' Z- k/ T( j% C2 p8 y5 ~1 U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 w) l+ |& v# M1 {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( i* v8 M& _- N
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& i: g# V* T1 B4 `. K8 y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 B; N) W" e8 x7 J) \) C7 Q
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 C+ R  r. G* y; w1 x% N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' J: f+ g& ^2 |9 ]- IWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  b2 N( ^" Y+ I: L- G! bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 H! _9 n* c( \. H& }* A! O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ ?" U" N) A3 x# O$ `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 `8 v' n4 b# S" _4 q"不信也沒損失"/ B9 O$ X+ l, r2 k# @8 M/ U6 a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......! J! G( M. [( p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # k9 l  @) }9 {+ {; p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 H$ i3 ~3 f% v( i5 J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  B3 ?7 r& b8 j7 s" U! w9 i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 ~( f8 [. v5 N( x7 _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 O; h% y+ X" X+ R# p. z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 S; @- [* t: l4 Z2 |# b- u$ j

9 t8 e% n& Z) Z6 d8 V6 m/ i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ K. _+ A3 r) s# y! I/ s% ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 S" d) Z+ p+ X% [& I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ K# b9 T/ j+ o# Z6 C% X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! ~) }/ {# K7 A& p
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以下是其他人的見解,/ j& @' g3 }3 G( D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ h5 Y/ {. i' a3 w6 |, @$ w- a6 h
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 C% r9 h2 s6 r7 i" J' ?: \- g

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& U! D% a8 T- |3 G9 p
.............信耶穌... ...

) {1 i$ ~. [5 E" {8 h. k; E. @- uRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... F  l: Q# E/ Y8 S0 y  C

, c2 x3 k+ a: V; p7 qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.