Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- M4 g  b7 v- q- ]% \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 u) H$ n- _$ ]; v0 m$ y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- j$ l; k* N! G8 \
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 `2 b% K# }9 u, A0 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 ~3 S- H1 @+ P. D1 w( f8 b8 q

2 {( N; G3 T5 I- L7 c9 P' ?$ ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 K( K  _+ Z# L/ s

( [9 l! y) H4 {0 H% t7 U3 {$ ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ _# M2 ]: k$ t+ v6 y6 p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: ]( ]# f6 s3 w% z: a
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 M2 c! j# l5 ?4 l  N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 ^3 v4 b, G1 Z* O$ X- P. \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ c6 d/ @7 S) }! }( z" ]$ G  S
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# Q  m$ c! t. [7 I& [2 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 ]# }. b% l, ~' q! q+ ~What a statement we have here?
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1 H2 _1 ?4 D4 B$ E2 ~8 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' J/ W- q8 Y, p

9 m, p% v: l( \1 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 L. X" z( l' A) u; i: {

4 l8 V+ `, g+ o# OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- x5 c# b/ s4 n9 w: y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 j- I1 _6 h' b3 Q9 I6 D. q' A
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 g+ |6 L! g! K  O& j; Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" R0 A1 f& }& G# ]% Q6 W& ~5 L5 X5 }# Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ G* l& K* ?: m( b% v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 t3 }5 o& w1 s# r" q/ |9 V8 @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 C8 k$ E# I: d* n2 t
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; r, Y1 f+ M7 k* _

4 h6 w; Z- N8 H; [- O: D5 A+ G* b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( r9 o: W& h0 T1 w! O9 P. e' ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" _0 T! N# r; x
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以下是其他人的見解,: f: y3 f* `% W' t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: y; ~3 _. L1 F9 L+ G  z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& A- F8 {8 w7 }( Y: |( x# R8 e& x

2 g( P8 J" B2 x3 q& N8 I& s# @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 ]. d. i, ?7 b5 e  S" {7 f& |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: R; b" G! A3 W0 S( _6 X! r3 ]
.............信耶穌... ...

. r7 q6 c) q0 K1 m. h  x) z$ _+ RRegarding the resurrection....9 j  S7 w& _: g2 |4 F( ?) B* R

& ^" l$ n# h5 K! a0 |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' X# M( i* Q; n

* G) o/ Z% ~$ d0 HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.