Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, o6 |9 i! X3 K8 F6 t# q+ J我係一個連自己都吳信的人( T5 p- n0 f7 T4 Z5 e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 [( ~7 `( o2 s) z0 _# h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ B  ~9 Y$ f6 Q- ?7 h# W- A3 \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* I/ O5 @$ e8 K1 {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% G6 d( A7 j" R3 Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., e% n& S3 @0 y' h: W6 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- [( |& i& q# J5 F我只不過微小的基督徒...................; K3 c8 v, y& d7 K+ w
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, i  r- n  |$ ^4 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ ]+ e7 Z: j. V$ z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% h# f0 [5 P1 Q9 C6 ^" T

& A) K$ \9 i' J6 K3 v- SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ H# z* ]: \5 q, f  v4 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- j8 N" d, d. j: B"不信也沒損失"# |+ S0 C1 L; D. m! j1 k- P7 I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# {) v9 _5 H0 B4 _/ v0 C4 [' E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  r9 G: Q# r1 P* d. ?8 T9 ^  F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: J- w) D" D8 M+ L! A8 ]% W+ k9 \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& E% H- Q+ r) _1 M5 h6 u0 y& a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: T" {7 _. v0 f3 H, e% r1 m2 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' A9 Q0 R2 E& X1 y% |* U' F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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6 |* a: r4 }% c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 s9 R1 W1 M& N7 a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ V! S1 B7 d$ D, M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" d' \$ m3 [: a* C! W* v  G

. f# j0 j3 b5 S( m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 M: h+ {6 s  k" f7 w) k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# I: w$ p7 N% r4 ^$ D7 K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 h* J) S4 D0 r  y! ^$ ^, p
.............信耶穌... ...

7 J: W" c/ I3 `; i, M! jRegarding the resurrection....6 p% `- B6 X8 O! Y4 N$ s2 B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 P. o# E  F/ WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.