Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 ^. g% H6 v5 k9 I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! O$ l4 h) e6 K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 F$ r4 R) G( q8 q) x! K2 a道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! T6 |& O8 ^" Z7 y! U1 A, P8 L+ i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ r! c- R: N. j7 t* I% ^3 ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% t% K+ N$ F7 @( \- ^: U
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 I: ~% L- _3 j4 X7 M4 v7 R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 j5 t9 E$ F5 S" a" Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& u5 V% F6 y% H' f( Y% L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# X2 B9 V+ I/ u
真的!!這不是反話" v5 _% y1 y* f) C( Y+ M
因為我是情感比理性強的人
# \( _, k$ T1 P所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 o& s& W$ W3 j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) U% O: {. @7 ?% F( |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' ~( v5 V' j, `- V' C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- p: z/ y/ V3 o  B7 y0 N% K

# z3 @! [4 x2 W6 e8 CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  W, c* j9 v/ ?0 A: C  B9 c- i& H$ HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# F; ~8 K- @( q* u5 s[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 w. b1 J6 O& i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 O# \1 L/ k. U4 v6 D/ J1 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 v6 {& b# L, h( p2 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ K# k  C% v, E, v" Qit's starting because we have sins......
$ j( |" b6 w. o& Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : s$ a9 b9 d, q) W& i( j; ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 F' e* Z: M: D% O7 `; _$ Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' i& ^/ s, T. ~% a% l. _* L& u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* h3 B; O5 a0 s- y$ x# x+ N: ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ W0 D) G0 Z% y5 ~$ c1 R: W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, ]8 p0 p9 e& e* |% Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 w+ E& L% h  f* Z  Z  A% ]4 R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ ?7 a' G" I8 J* J5 q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% Q) S5 t% [+ W6 i% r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& _$ O* t$ J5 G2 z2 h宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 m; L# e# c" x( b6 y: D7 h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) o  R# I8 U1 k4 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ X3 f5 Y0 J% R' g% L" a% p
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* g4 J$ r# f% D; Q1 Z& \.............信耶穌... ...

) x# y  {$ x* M" C( aRegarding the resurrection....7 e- k' r$ Z/ P+ m& e

* H, A: o/ p: |0 D8 eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 Z- x: L& i# S$ {) f3 g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.