Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 i- `2 f* Q. T* x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 t. x3 b* n/ _' O$ O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& P7 m, P/ g* f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 Q( L9 D! J! m, [0 E& S( W呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- I$ `- P6 c6 t$ qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 x1 W" O# b: U0 X6 X: C* r8 _

% L' f/ [) R1 l2 {2 c5 d" QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 s* W5 X. D: v# g8 P; ~# b
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 {3 }$ b* E4 M& q1 G$ R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 o+ _5 |; g+ T5 d5 t2 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話+ i3 i- o& |3 A
因為我是情感比理性強的人
! ^( W' _/ i9 F- M8 i, F  H所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 l- G& U; g1 l8 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 s5 H- [/ ]' Q' s# L; M, |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... Z  R* e3 D8 C' M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ @- p) X6 z8 C$ X/ L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  B* b: B4 a& O6 T" gWhat a statement we have here?
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- l+ G2 e4 O: X1 M! U( Y, |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 M( k) r  r8 v6 v! w: ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 B3 f. V2 k" l+ Z' Z

( F# y; D! M* c  ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) u* U8 `3 p! L! l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, v( l- A/ v# ]5 n  SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 [. E6 ?" _% _% hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 o, k' ?7 V5 i/ o
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it's starting because we have sins......
! e* c' R- n  j% U& msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 x2 k' f. b6 n# _3 b: O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ Q9 ~/ E. o' C- V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 c) q' {/ D* z% v- ^4 W3 l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 W5 F  x3 @# P4 K" A# @7 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 ?) P5 ^8 M, Q0 y: f- M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 L  w+ r8 n' r( G! D: V! [3 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ r' Y) D9 f+ T9 H  g' b7 `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 U2 B. v0 y! |# U- M  C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 K  Q+ [, U, u+ n
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. }% n# D5 A9 E4 H* i9 e# w( S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) I: {% \6 N& b( A' K6 h3 m
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& e; e, R0 g: f$ m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& b- q$ b& m8 _8 n3 I
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm5 ~% V- ~% V& M

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' s' G# Y% v4 D" e# Z$ |
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, h! a0 l0 C' ~  h* _9 G

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- z% e! [6 }$ n' _8 C' i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% o  W- \+ L0 t: q' `2 |* _. W: J.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 x) X9 u0 B* ~0 E, l

0 q/ s5 m' f) s' S. ?4 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.