Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 w% r- e( Q. o5 H9 y* n我係一個連自己都吳信的人* d/ S! @$ a" p' l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 ?! D% r0 N2 j5 I8 ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( s( M- ?, h: {; Z# }! o6 V" I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 Y! |# e+ b- R/ X) t+ v6 Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& k* i+ W/ ]  e& E  x. Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ E5 z* l5 K1 ]1 q, B( `2 f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* i6 j7 E$ C0 f1 s* x
真的!!這不是反話% x+ N; N% k/ _! N7 }. S& X
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 _+ b2 s, z, t; l% ?4 t5 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 B6 \2 X# h4 M
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 {# U! e9 E, Z# Y  I. R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" Z% L  z/ g9 z/ j( J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 G9 H6 |3 q0 e0 \2 iWhat a statement we have here?
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! A  h) E6 d, \8 pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% y8 ^# s6 R1 L& \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; x5 X+ l6 |9 ?* V0 i: V, D

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 l2 a$ r$ m# X: O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 r5 U* b8 @  b& L  E" S# h+ kYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 P7 W8 G' \$ ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 F% ~6 j. h6 q  a7 d# g: {3 r

! C$ d4 p: O6 y  H% Wit's starting because we have sins......
7 u0 S$ i4 c# f7 |) p6 |) ]; tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 j( F& I, d4 B4 @8 J& ~2 }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- E( z9 y6 ^+ v4 e- _( H( n8 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 g0 Y3 V9 u; U9 y. n; W2 c. f- A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- F- A% ~! T4 ~# ~# Z1 e( o' N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; Y8 F% }" S5 t* H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ H+ Y2 ~7 E, y: j& Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( r" k: M* F. s9 F, L* n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 f  T% w- x9 D/ O  n! I

+ O6 j" Z; N) t, O2 H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: a. ]: l' w1 F& z. `5 i7 Q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! z! P$ O  }3 K- g以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 w; ]3 l' ?2 T6 f) c( t4 [; I

" Q5 k. K  [; V+ y. \4 H" r' _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: h: m7 f# d& E/ N, z

; T5 o- u- e  C! Y6 f  K: ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( F' O  S  h7 s1 k9 `- x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ t) \: T# Y0 X) V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, ?1 R- U4 Z7 X0 I2 u3 h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.