Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* T) [$ v6 e. }) I' S4 [! n: J我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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. I' m$ C- ]% z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  T4 b5 N4 N/ e' ?5 g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 t' I& l/ j# @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# I, ]9 S1 V( i" t5 r8 J
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; e0 H0 s. w0 D0 @( W; R5 Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 q1 z0 x; @! i4 A% {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 j! k7 o9 ~2 O5 h
真的!!這不是反話
6 U5 Q7 d# o: a, z5 q7 H4 l* S: e因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 i2 ~0 T. |+ \所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 F! A9 o+ u8 O: g! i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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$ \" d" `& g! a- e' Y, r6 \正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' [% L" E! G' }3 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) A1 F7 ]5 e1 g; a8 j/ k- bWhat a statement we have here?
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7 k$ W9 g& K9 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 N% }7 S3 i2 d* q( C9 b+ x. F

. l8 V+ h/ _2 F+ U( QI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., T0 R0 i0 D% `8 A. _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' u$ g5 x6 o1 Y: d

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 a4 Z0 ]! |2 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" c6 j+ h0 v+ Y  Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 Z1 E7 y, Q- s8 q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., c) R) u! S, x% o( x" A: u2 X+ D

% R$ l( e: E$ `6 r0 M  qit's starting because we have sins......
; c6 e. `6 I# ^( W9 ]& Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 o, f8 q/ y+ o5 O. t- Z/ Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 f+ {0 z- L8 d& T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 A! t9 {1 z7 r/ ]+ s( ?* J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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, v1 l2 c2 ^0 \$ `如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 z7 }" D/ w& V# Z5 V' u+ O. z9 g$ M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% o/ F9 y+ t" V3 D

) |" k, C  B7 }: l6 C; [1 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, V6 [* T- n- ?. \3 n" P3 i* q4 e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' s. ^3 G$ T* C' U/ J# n
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 ~0 Q5 m* {1 p, M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# F  I: m0 G) B4 t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ s* F* e+ n! U- u: Q% i4 ~+ E
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- N! [7 \; V+ G4 O+ y  }% A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# W2 |) }! G6 g- w- r  h- n以下是其他人的見解,7 Y& T* F# X: a" @  k7 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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" D* E( n' M% W8 K2 g+ K; F* K[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 y- J& k" P/ u. u: A( y, R! W

2 |% h+ k. T/ p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 V9 b4 _7 c1 e7 [! u. `
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 a, n; B$ O9 c, G+ W1 x
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, h+ ?7 _: x- e" L8 t- c; N
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., g- D$ X9 r* b

4 R* `, a0 J* D* DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& d1 a% E+ t: z) _* O; Y% L4 t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.