Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: n, O# k" l" X1 j# ~& V' ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  g9 v3 F1 [5 }. u; r, P& ]又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* B* @6 `) F6 ~  C道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ b1 e+ ]4 O6 f& Y9 }' ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 E( I% F8 H1 Z2 i* J+ C* J1 gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ X( F  n3 T0 d$ f' ~9 S8 O( N( sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% E+ v4 ]$ v  r" q6 W% ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... U, i# G; z8 Y8 w/ F  C! [- F2 l

& `1 A0 d9 @  V. D8 \0 y5 rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% c6 ^* I2 D! c3 Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" c, ?& {7 b% }1 N* V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
4 i" _6 l# @3 e* ]! T8 ~, G: r) T真的!!這不是反話
- Z, s, e1 C8 @因為我是情感比理性強的人
% F( P' R/ {" v! d5 j0 T, f所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 O& P: {& h0 @& g3 F6 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: {# p- J; u. H) Y) F! i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& G' E$ a( W6 Y% P  E# i! w3 ?/ c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 l  m+ w: i4 r8 n) R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' k; n' ]) m8 m% [. t7 AWhat a statement we have here?( X; `, H7 k0 i3 n

% d: k5 p- I; J. {7 MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , N* k8 Y+ b' ^, V; m1 k

7 P) @" t, S* T/ Z( G: t$ r' X" R) sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ j9 `8 Q* ~4 V. g6 a6 u
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ N) ]) O& e0 K' ~- ^0 ]+ l1 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# y( V2 x+ d2 J$ T; ~"不信也沒損失") c, R8 s( _- y! \; i& t2 e1 A
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! r- u6 s  @9 |3 \) S& Jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 w/ A/ o9 x  R* ^

! [" e- x0 o) w7 D; xit's starting because we have sins......- ]- x5 y0 s* i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 a% H* J; `% Y4 W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! m, m( T6 y1 i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 [' ^* w6 H5 c' W9 s; T0 g+ I: \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 E1 ~( h' r) ^- ^8 t! m% a" X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 _5 ^9 G6 c5 t5 P1 r) \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' i7 K1 o: H$ b% T: d4 x4 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, B% Q# W! Z; ~1 W4 i4 Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- ?) U; U- h9 \/ z% _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 Z' `- v+ j+ ?1 `& Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) ^4 c; C5 }3 m+ ?+ n( \/ O

0 T5 S! U1 ?$ a9 C# |宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ X  `' M5 w5 k9 O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 ~; a! _# m1 g( i" ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* r0 ^( X) X; M6 I

$ ]; v8 x& w% ]' R+ ~2 b, O+ ?1 ^以下是其他人的見解,$ a( i$ L7 m1 A/ V- O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) `" y* l& h: M+ z% H) h2 c
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm0 R! U8 z0 @4 p- x
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ Y: e2 E1 o. R, s! |+ ]

! U9 G$ O$ Y8 U+ Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ ^: r) ~; [3 b* j$ T" h7 u2 ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' I; x) m( E0 F6 k$ {* k5 S( r9 b/ e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  \. T( g! _  M" ?* h4 c
.............信耶穌... ...

9 S: J) T" \/ yRegarding the resurrection....+ \0 l/ m5 V- _0 F

* T- x! D, d, u3 a* m# H6 {8 o( a, VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& }' {; K8 l6 ]  Q2 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.