Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  G3 d* N  T) X; e9 T1 z# Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 x- M( {5 [$ f7 S& ?8 s) Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& d+ B2 U7 w% V# u) m7 P% D/ [2 O道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ q( N5 C; L% |4 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 w, p) F6 z. I

& p2 n! z% `' c& M# ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% n+ V3 U7 g4 p. o' Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ T0 \  _# b6 Q/ b
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 w+ g* u) L9 Z, q, ?; I3 I
真的!!這不是反話
  Z. p1 ^9 a( m+ m因為我是情感比理性強的人$ t8 T# n$ i* i5 @3 F7 J, Z# U/ G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) [* k. a: X) i; V+ }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 A+ N4 ?( ~. w; D  W/ j) d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& l0 P5 ?+ ]- ~) H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 A6 D0 J0 y% G  o  s6 O7 dWhat a statement we have here?
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8 M0 s/ D( ]) ]/ \/ ^: c& }, aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! F/ a: @6 T* s8 \

4 z2 O1 R, g1 j) EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- C1 L0 F/ `5 m. P+ s1 k+ U9 A7 ?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 C8 Y% ?: S! K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ~! ]3 ?0 e. C"不信也沒損失"
$ c$ f$ d/ Y1 C& C1 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) L1 b. q7 k6 e- Q' {* u0 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 ?! q+ f* L$ \
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it's starting because we have sins......
, Z$ u! Q8 d9 U% R, W+ @" F- k% Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, T9 K9 ^* a- ?# W0 ^- }our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". a* B/ `) u9 U% d! O* ^# g% I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 v7 l2 M1 |6 M/ Z0 r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# q6 D" R6 w, i1 ~8 j1 n! u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( K" U1 _0 z- H( I- U2 J# ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ h, R: O5 J0 \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 [9 W4 ~2 K3 ?9 z% ?- C

+ k1 E2 }% b/ F5 |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* f5 N, o  W" q" T1 }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 w8 ?9 E3 w! ^2 P! S0 e% ?
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 e  B* ^# S7 N3 c9 U; a/ ?7 q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 B/ M* p/ p4 D- t3 }) R: O0 G美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 J. |/ J$ z. G' D* z9 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) `8 Y$ m1 X9 G! v& q6 v

- Q# U# V- y+ e以下是其他人的見解,; S& x/ X! I! ~- F( O$ w) N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: G( R) j8 I! x& y, C: R3 I# n

7 V' ^  x* |" l$ N- E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 [  |4 t3 ^* p7 Q0 x! t

  ?& r; z/ `$ S+ Z4 v) j  R5 t* y5 m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 {3 d  Q: R8 n' w; J2 v, q

/ c$ {1 O0 X8 g3 a6 X' q( y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 }" r/ s- ?7 V.............信耶穌... ...

7 |6 S. B1 H" W( b  O+ L  D7 gRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., M+ x8 ^8 s, h1 q; N, S  s
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.