Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# E2 i; T! l0 Z* t9 V7 y/ h! \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 L  \+ F' L, r2 N2 P  m, ]+ U. a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 w/ `( @0 G! b- b! L1 A道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% ]9 ~- t, ~* ]7 P* {+ C5 Y5 C3 V呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 g, X) B) e( w/ p; U, LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... m! u7 n, v2 @8 E+ G) i" X) ?
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  r; F# W- h+ Y% X( b/ Z% X

8 [" a) ]( O6 Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& h1 j7 l7 S9 X/ O% D. R5 Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 J$ H- z3 m. K* d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人; Z0 F- }% {, n5 h) }% v  P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... W. D# w  }4 O/ G5 p0 e+ f5 U1 p8 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 @) s2 K6 S; a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# K" M- Z9 p% t: L' e
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + m6 {" T) o' j5 w% N* p- B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 c, _; H1 R: ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( B' l$ }4 Y" `  y( K5 n

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 @1 S7 G& K. a+ T/ E; L; q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- }' A: m7 Q# w# m0 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 ], u9 `( `0 J% ]$ o+ V9 _5 @+ _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! S+ P. M# i  Y$ N8 ]+ p. j, hit's starting because we have sins......1 C$ m5 R) {6 j( J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 [/ E3 @7 P7 b7 `) f% mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; T. x# E0 v4 z+ x0 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 P6 n/ g% K# D% H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 d5 e+ W) J/ V; I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' |% ]! {* {! o( i7 E- I! u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 n) L# x9 ]2 |$ \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ j7 B1 Z2 g# j$ y8 ^( [

) J( ~' ^& P$ c# k# G0 B( ?& p" f$ H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( I" F$ R: J! U$ V4 f3 `, I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 e, i8 }8 |$ K, x( D  N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- M( I5 B2 l' z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ s- P; ~' A* |. O7 G: m" v% U5 l
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以下是其他人的見解,
  D* o, Y, p9 s看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& ^9 L& z4 n/ a1 P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ f" Z3 r6 @( [7 P

8 }0 S6 m& ^) ?! x7 X+ b" M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ s9 u; y( f0 }2 N  L& [+ M.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 m) v( ]8 W4 ?6 D; B. l# VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 k: |8 r) F  N$ q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.