Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- q8 \4 I% q+ C- V! n' E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! E) ^! I5 S8 n  c2 ]4 y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& d, R7 v* s3 l% J( C; Y/ K4 i; Z% x& B道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: o' O, h* x4 z: m5 B2 p" [呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 [/ _) ?8 e9 \0 Z+ @! O

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." B- A6 b$ x0 C7 j( M

8 ?9 o7 K7 i$ ^) F: l+ h" ]2 Nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! u) R/ _3 q# y( F# Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( P' N0 R# {. _2 j% h( P) S( G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 O; Z& G( ?; a# l8 u' F因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 j$ q1 T3 y9 m* N5 Z0 f: h1 a0 `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. |. h. a9 g9 v) T* M9 f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- _* D4 P! {' k# B4 C2 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 r. g3 Y9 r* w# s, M) P2 D- lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 `% M$ Z* E2 |1 C" F! J2 H. W/ n& zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' z; K# O& \/ |$ J* ]5 w1 q  P& T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 {' Z. T4 e- Z0 ^# V- R5 S7 ^0 F5 K"不信也沒損失"
/ R9 B6 R$ L6 F# |$ m1 \6 u8 N5 KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' m7 ?! V1 I' ^% j" }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# h$ Y0 o. f- b3 R4 P: L8 s

1 j7 I* F4 b  K4 e) l, ?) X( kit's starting because we have sins......: z( ?& C/ t" j' \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ i1 |+ H& b- {- J( u" y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! E: O, i6 X' \% s; ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% l7 R( u$ n% k! Z0 n1 Y) d* K0 N8 T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( s- K% n; H$ S. V9 w9 o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 G6 k4 h+ ^$ z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# q- a- Z" {' @6 Z. V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 M1 \! x! \/ a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. Q. ?) t6 p% t$ B" O) T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ t. B' j% G4 V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! M  {4 `3 y  I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  [! B8 g- A% A

' [9 ~& m3 \* z/ i/ `2 }2 t: X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( P9 S4 }5 v" ~6 v  Y! z+ E0 y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) z8 q, Z( C) G* G2 f8 D9 [$ L

. g" i- v9 o$ G! ^) f7 D% k. G以下是其他人的見解,
5 h, _( ~6 k* Q9 L9 I& ]看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! g& E4 G* W0 ]( X4 G# w  `) o$ _* ^$ t
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ Y" o& ~; T5 p+ M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ f1 d' l& v9 \, X4 i. ?5 c$ S0 _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 A3 @. u* e  s: r$ @& V$ ^3 B. i! ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 l! M) L7 ~% ^6 c

0 u& g: e% H3 ~- x# vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.