Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 B. d! L1 L: d# @我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' P1 z8 H0 A  ~- x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' J  Q1 Y7 j6 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 {+ D& l) d0 E) H- V( b- v

* [  f0 r5 v# s" n( \8 m6 {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- \: I3 G; c$ ^$ J3 m1 R

6 x# ~' D# |1 z# `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 z) {0 q2 f5 \  H' W* a- ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% x. D6 O* T+ n$ b* j2 r6 f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 I- B" n# T4 i. h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ Z# \6 z# t+ z' X: W1 h5 n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  N2 @0 w- C4 ]# \What a statement we have here?0 Y3 {8 l! i5 y2 ~1 Y" n/ f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; n. s2 V. {- }4 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 L8 X  i( @  _" g& fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ I9 |8 U2 O7 ~( B! M
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; X( U, [/ j" B# p. @! [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  U# k5 ?( G3 O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 ~3 L* E( L! Z7 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, B0 i1 t, X# r: p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 ]# X. ^/ D. U5 G7 ]

+ j/ N) H8 z' p- I1 Q1 C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 i& l0 |' w) f. m/ ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 ?. \. O" W0 }3 d. H) S

2 t' T: @$ G) S4 K2 ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' r4 S$ T  R' B7 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 ]7 Y3 W" t0 N- O. j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ h' ?4 \7 F+ N: q" {8 r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# j8 _# H9 \$ T( _6 U$ r% _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) D6 s/ w4 @" u- i' ]$ c2 X  v+ t.............信耶穌... ...

1 K" D: D& L; e! @! R; V  VRegarding the resurrection....# G+ `) P1 K$ X3 ~6 P# A$ }
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 @1 [2 w2 `6 T2 a2 Q. yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.