Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 c- r1 W: _# w: p9 p( Z/ W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 m. Q: ]. M/ G( X+ Y4 B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ T+ }8 k0 h+ m- p道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 ^" M. |, y+ ^  ]. e: R呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 Y& x) W, z" ~. h: |) R$ hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 E; W1 V5 l0 W0 I

1 m! p) K6 J9 O- D  w7 ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ R& t) I: c% W6 K; r* P2 jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  f, N  g. w5 T我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 t$ r8 @7 `' ?) p真的!!這不是反話/ k# U& h7 P; K: v, [
因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 W% z) w# J. `. T% `, Q9 x  B所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. ]( ^0 b7 `* T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ P! D) C/ ?" ~/ h* u3 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 N3 ^7 W/ X( _+ H+ U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?' ?% ~: \& S! x* `, A" t; B
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 E0 L$ e2 Z& U7 L' q- Q/ e

0 o) G1 Q) v+ c6 x% W4 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) D+ [) a- V% l6 c6 ^/ t8 C& v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( b+ }  l6 j' C+ _- L* z- |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- W/ g- D# v; o/ I* u' B7 @"不信也沒損失"
; t4 v1 w. d, J! a% u2 Q, UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. }# U6 s/ J  e6 J0 s8 j: Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ c2 J8 M+ M9 Z$ G7 v; n& Z9 |it's starting because we have sins......2 I( E; [+ c' r3 A  v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 E" ^" N/ b0 q: s% C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ^# B$ J; J  S, w5 e# G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- j% H% l/ l6 d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 y- t! `5 x$ K, d  g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. Y  l7 I8 z: U6 `7 Q2 m) \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ [6 a+ \" f1 @% u- }. P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ i4 \1 Y, M3 W3 l7 [9 r! `, U. K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' K1 A; R4 p" K7 v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& u, k: z! n6 V6 `8 u% t. P, _3 k3 a+ e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 ^! {- n$ l9 A5 y0 k4 J" z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 P" I! k: R' I2 L  q; h宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; _: A+ O& w# l- Y0 |: r
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, O% K) h6 Y) X) A4 Z/ h3 ?. ~, |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 V2 P' z. t$ J5 E1 h, h, c1 P
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以下是其他人的見解,7 m; L% z' M8 L- v& d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 u3 B7 P) o$ |% F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ P4 n5 |0 B% }+ {5 Q6 S* Q0 u不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* f9 x# c, h% r2 A- K  U  i

4 Q2 l* [2 A+ W% {9 o8 j4 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 H$ h2 u- c& F! z0 t
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% @, b3 L1 f1 Q.............信耶穌... ...

6 C* E+ j; n& u4 Q- A$ c- _+ N6 RRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. g/ U2 D& w: c/ ~: d7 SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.