Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 R; Z9 J. Q9 I7 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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5 t* N/ c6 k, A5 C$ D2 qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 @, _5 G. T) ~0 x; ]  E+ F

+ O) t' H% S; R* WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 x7 p# Q+ s5 L# K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ B4 }# W% m9 j2 [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 a2 K; P" B. F5 O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) e, h2 K: I( F1 U/ l: B
真的!!這不是反話4 B) y, [8 H. K/ D
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& f- w7 j% @' K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," v& s% U1 B' d7 f6 E& [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 l7 ~$ I' v; Q, m* g* O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! P. N: p1 X7 ]. }( J

" \9 C' i* r. {4 X) {7 @% |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : N) J7 L0 K. v6 ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& b  ]2 a% v7 [8 E' J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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4 k, s) f! [1 S7 K6 F[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' t5 E  F; u' S9 c, @7 s/ c5 n"不信也沒損失"& {: j* b% \) s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ p" D+ P; o& E7 f4 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 l8 _4 G" Q9 `( u0 v

( f/ G. u) N. }: q1 l! Y; M- vit's starting because we have sins......
/ s) R) V- E3 B5 s$ B, t; V6 T* Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ ?0 p% C# Y( A0 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" {7 S- ]- n3 u7 W1 L9 b, X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* M2 v. g) C# l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 ^1 z3 E# a! J; L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; f* m6 H2 N! i3 x$ \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 D4 G* J* j4 i8 l- W% p7 O2 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! m& S) F2 i& l& g7 e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ d. `1 r- h# W  F, S$ ], p0 J% h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% o) L: @0 \3 f3 a# [* c* F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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; _6 j5 w( J" N/ H  N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) g& U* j) m3 I  k) ]. \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 K/ B  |# V. a' m1 T, r" {以下是其他人的見解,
$ q0 `* e5 G" H& T8 [4 `看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( I7 z& x1 p3 H, k) E5 @
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 @- s" {% s$ S7 }$ ^" M0 {. ]

. o8 m3 J4 ^: O% c7 [- E  ]. q  W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" M$ b! \% i4 R.............信耶穌... ...

) H5 o/ Y0 C# {; w: h  F- ]Regarding the resurrection....
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& I- a* G: L4 m% qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... w$ g( L6 K2 L* w! C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.