Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% r0 i% J6 m0 _我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 c! X9 V7 r9 {& c4 n7 K' Z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# ~% w: j3 s( ?7 @- N: ?) u% }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! R4 R0 T% b, Q# D1 L+ T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( F% P! U$ C* w/ K& q

. h! n! R( M2 {9 u& {- \5 n; oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." a  w# @6 H1 N% _( R* V

% l. `* W0 w) C; O' S! l! zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& V7 [( b+ C$ s8 v& P3 W, p

1 U7 L& @% D3 ]/ s, E+ b% Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., e# d3 E" S4 L% M0 K& o6 J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 [1 B" r8 ?7 H' E  @我只不過微小的基督徒...................& R0 A8 F6 j# S" L* t
真的!!這不是反話
0 L7 Q. P- d; F7 H因為我是情感比理性強的人% T9 Q1 d9 I2 g+ }4 x4 w6 [7 n. w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 k8 Y4 ^: I6 S3 b  v: ^4 }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ _$ y* m+ M* ]1 l8 t5 }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 x" S! w" }0 X; D. i. f  S
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 |0 C* N6 F  |# x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 l0 V, @( \% f6 nWhat a statement we have here?8 M$ e. j' C- O

- N7 O! j' X2 N8 rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & ^& t8 C4 z+ D! I; [; H# {* X

2 E+ |  T) f, n! W; `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 U2 m8 q2 k. i4 r3 ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* x) a6 p( e; b

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) h- y+ D! O7 l. |4 Q6 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* {  _; o) ~1 \' k9 V# |0 s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' s/ Z" e5 a4 r1 O  N& u( ]3 O

% |2 u5 v1 I! Sit's starting because we have sins......
& T9 C% s$ O" E4 y0 gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, g1 z8 `3 \# C3 K$ X* dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 |7 `0 Z8 ?" k: d0 E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. k" _! ]$ W; a5 h; d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 U$ u: Q3 g4 {/ s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* a$ e% E: P, F6 n" _5 K4 w! J4 ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 ?3 ^$ l4 u) \* \# v* d5 l% C
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 S" I( Q9 |! p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: g; t) [  I7 v
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' A# `! p9 P8 Z% @7 R

' O: |& o" f( i$ r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) L4 Z: K# Z3 ]. C6 k0 `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. {% k0 S& K* v, C: n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 ]. P/ u  p1 n9 q2 n* D' a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 C4 W0 e3 q8 M% y$ m& P
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm/ T9 u; Z! L" ]( I: ]: P

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) y4 I/ t  ^6 `- _! ?- `! z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* G! q+ ~* z+ s& [4 \& Y. }

2 {& w/ w; J/ d/ p3 s' X6 N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. r+ C8 C4 g/ Q# I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( L( P# S2 e1 K2 T  W; ?' G- m
.............信耶穌... ...

2 X  L5 k- x4 f% J9 |Regarding the resurrection....) Z1 F: Z# |. o3 E6 |0 b% s

" p4 F4 \1 K  k5 s  Y6 [: sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- G7 v) j, Y. l6 t. C9 B; f

4 M* R$ L. }4 m2 B2 S" jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.