Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ w) |* w  }+ z+ ~% P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. t9 V, ]$ Z) p6 w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) m5 j5 D3 w; E) t9 u6 ]

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' w, I( c1 I: k, Y5 O7 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ U, r$ k! n# s: ~0 X5 M' K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ b" `& }5 t# p* ]; fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; `0 \( |9 T0 \- L7 r+ p  ]: B: N4 M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# h8 T& [& n& B# d- m
真的!!這不是反話
9 b7 |5 E/ o/ l8 I8 ^+ f* L3 y. u因為我是情感比理性強的人% k( t) i6 T* e0 I! h1 `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 }9 p' N# v1 l, o7 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- t0 i! Z- t5 x& C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# X2 P. B4 {: W/ h9 _% ^# Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. m/ x( U1 w4 A& pWhat a statement we have here?
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% m" c0 p* n' h, O8 b; b; pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 i# ~* I4 }2 F9 Q  z5 F

  c4 X& v  `, M6 ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 W" F, [" j; Y/ G
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 y: Q' S4 q' Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 O! ]+ x, x* A2 c, h& B  j; XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- V* k2 i1 l& k1 o! s
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 R( ~, J8 j  Z. `

* ~3 t( g' \, E9 Y3 O! qit's starting because we have sins....... J  I5 j% y3 Z" k. M4 Z( a- i3 C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 @7 s7 L$ J5 P8 a' W3 p, dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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# S# I+ c0 L" I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ ~# x4 ]$ F( Y7 \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 j& d7 e9 ]6 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# h) |% \' _8 f8 h4 ?) z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) K8 [4 i5 \- a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 A+ m6 U. [- M5 H7 D# F- Z% ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, _+ G3 t- Z' a0 U  m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% J3 O9 |. T: {% r* g# x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. k* M1 M% \  c3 l  F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! o( U: R  J1 w: s# `3 P, ~* W宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 j' m; |% e0 D) @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, \3 t  X& I0 J5 {  b& m) e以下是其他人的見解,) e$ W6 V* U$ H2 T9 C$ f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 V! O- H) I" ]: }8 {4 `6 K+ h2 z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 t1 s! c( t/ R) R

& a' B, ?* m0 s7 G: X' {3 g信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, h3 l& ~4 s4 n* L# b6 C. X* W! z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( ?2 `/ ?0 Z0 k7 U. r" z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' B2 Q1 o7 [/ w; x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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- }1 R9 a7 w* ~2 mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 m( }- X0 o$ C. |- G% `$ I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.