Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# Q3 f/ @, u9 c6 F: m+ b; J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 v( g# r0 Y+ Q; d1 m7 H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 p  \/ Q* V& Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 X- S; w* q8 C- G, y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 V! H3 h/ Z/ |1 v0 f) q) s! C% _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 W$ a8 W2 @5 H1 Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; S; {4 G5 @; k2 i- \

" v+ d9 A- C' ^0 o/ B$ O. J9 c3 rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 G/ `2 ~: j, S9 b: I$ D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, o* I9 R/ e$ M) x5 X9 R0 M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 D4 b$ ~5 g; T( ~1 Z( m真的!!這不是反話
5 u+ s9 M' x5 T3 [2 Q" X2 {因為我是情感比理性強的人  c3 g6 B0 `1 C4 A: o. l1 R8 C. P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," N( x! C3 I( j2 |4 W* k' Z' y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 Z# s! u( w" N' [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 ]; H% P6 T0 y. ~; |6 X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, b  X7 O! N6 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 c1 q, g* N5 _* @  ?. ]* l3 Q) _: [What a statement we have here?
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" H% o/ M6 C# N$ N) MJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 l+ v* H% l8 `8 ?! A8 m& d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! W6 y3 R* G* h: R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 b6 `7 O$ u6 O: \+ Q; M3 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* y4 c+ s8 \3 c2 m1 N"不信也沒損失"
2 z3 m4 s- e- ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., |/ U5 Q* `' C- S  w6 q( @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 d4 j+ l, Y. ~0 `' E/ m
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it's starting because we have sins......" G8 T) T& ~: p$ e& Q; f- R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 C4 A. h7 }) t; r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ T( T1 w& R: x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  e! l$ z9 P$ w6 P  x+ f- m6 D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. b# n* ?6 U. e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( H& Y+ S, ~3 q5 ~5 ^8 u$ Q

" c4 |! r4 q; Z' |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ f% M% w8 T" s# [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 c+ b' S  `- U! W) O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 U7 @9 F6 y! Y  e. x- i& W( O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ y9 E, J; S& R5 M; C* [4 c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 K* [7 u' ~1 u; J- [0 ?5 Y/ D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& v7 S# R: ]6 d, K7 y  m以下是其他人的見解,9 A" x9 t" c; N  i' _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& E; |' n! R) W3 H& J8 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. s" U+ i! a! V0 }  O9 A( b2 z

! q( O" _" N9 H8 u1 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 x: k, s7 ^/ t/ K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# {) N  [8 q# |( L/ h. K( Q: r
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 {0 V8 G5 C; b: A# `' j7 MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ l4 b; O  `% d* z, G3 ?

' g/ S4 ^: j- C& BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.