Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 C: j; g5 k* S  m% ]6 U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& W" x4 G$ j; Z3 f1 W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- {( R9 E9 i/ F4 Y. K" ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- x2 ]0 w# b$ O6 u1 l# T) J  c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 J, S" t8 K9 ~* e+ SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 j6 z" X& q7 d5 e  `8 ^8 _1 ^; L
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 z3 n! X2 V( bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 I) r9 T0 W* R" w
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... O/ L0 P: p! {, u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' {# G. I! u' w我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" J: p) w* r; S$ c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; r+ C0 }4 x) i# T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' n4 v  V5 P. P( {% g8 i* M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 s2 K/ }6 d$ o# Y( S! {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( d6 e) o1 }8 s7 e& |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% g. j( Y- G8 x" G5 z

7 P( M  {% E1 R4 s! e) B; x! |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* D2 r7 N  T5 m1 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", l) D+ o; O- ]9 F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
# O& B1 w' S) a4 X% L' Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 k+ n- e7 W* j1 ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ x+ n3 c( F. ~0 j6 P" W" j% f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 t7 G& i- S) i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 z" M0 {/ N8 j  |/ }  q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 i' C& K1 b0 k. V9 ^& I7 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! [" m9 K* ^& E9 u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 m0 x/ h+ C# a+ a( Z, d& F

) D- c! J4 g1 n4 f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ \9 u6 J' x9 M' u, _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  O/ j4 _+ [; r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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: @; E1 _/ T; g5 A6 K) a& Z' N以下是其他人的見解,% C. y5 d4 I6 U  Y+ I" F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 Z& {2 a$ z+ R2 e# N* N! N; E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ w. G7 a6 V5 w! J& I
.............信耶穌... ...

( l% l" x1 @' |* a5 ^Regarding the resurrection....) w1 p" T# l3 p* l: F

; G; v; X3 Y* [% uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.