Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& V1 L3 q- K5 i1 l+ w- ~3 D我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 L( O( X9 L3 j$ y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, D. v( Y3 n9 Y. C+ H7 F* x道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- |% C$ E- k5 a呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 c$ u; _5 H8 x. |8 Q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., {3 @3 J* y( r4 G; f9 i5 z

7 u8 e- R8 k. ]0 b6 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 B9 N: a  W0 Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) h8 C. d8 }% K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 o1 o* M1 ]+ ]" C* s3 M' e真的!!這不是反話
) E% q' r, u! ?# O6 U因為我是情感比理性強的人
* f6 C7 ^- Y- N8 I' ^0 ]所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" ], K9 J( I4 D; h1 ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ E: J( A' N( J  g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 Q4 W# P1 _: Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# q, f- a$ G9 w5 P: P7 Q& E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# W( t5 ]) E7 xWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) g7 g. D( f6 b/ R, Y

% t- A0 Q) z8 J' ~6 c/ g% RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( F; }+ u4 T, E# _) B3 A
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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& g6 n$ _/ _+ P# J0 s[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 J+ N  h/ a; z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* S2 @  j( X9 q5 K"不信也沒損失"
0 z- _6 N7 Z) SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 L  U2 O( h( Z; l/ ^! ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ U7 D7 I) U! ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% u; _9 C  M2 I& L! gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! }1 k9 @. G9 T' L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  g* j' |) h/ W1 y, O0 ]- S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: v& }$ |" L- E( u7 K/ p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) S4 s! Q- _4 g0 _$ C+ H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 R5 l9 F# O0 |9 n7 n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ o8 N. q! `% F9 l6 ]' Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) s8 v7 v0 F. ^. a) k

( j* Q; w6 [! W2 P1 f! {* t3 w$ `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! c8 W. H+ e8 f2 u/ O7 V1 _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! {/ P: h! S" R5 [' H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ `9 I5 d( p$ P6 \( c( d7 I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具# D. s! t$ `* m( K/ ]: Z

  S" L: r! x2 h, V- R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 ?3 b' T) D; R: A% N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 h# M* j: _5 `

6 z; `9 a& M  E7 M( s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ U& L: Z1 ^+ e- I) u1 r1 E8 L1 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; x/ g5 @/ _" A4 H+ C& P5 j* s

/ m7 b; H, y2 O+ }5 \: t) s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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' M* ~: X9 ~. Z5 q) y0 v* x8 p. O同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 L) o1 z4 y- c7 x
.............信耶穌... ...

# O- n. j% G! H' Z4 ^% N9 xRegarding the resurrection....
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  h7 A4 G  U, v- ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.