Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" X0 P+ m6 A4 z+ A; E, x  U& `. n# R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: |; `( N& T1 T! V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 ~& E8 g9 A* A道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 u+ a( m) E  v4 r1 }; C$ T. i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: F1 ], g% l8 ?- j& y8 ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ }; s% ^. e: b2 @1 rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ y' ~4 s6 T" S! E& v8 k' Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ K+ ~' K0 r( C5 }3 Z/ X+ c! E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( O2 O3 q8 M5 m) N7 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 `! G+ _1 M2 u0 Y7 S3 _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 Z! ^' ^* I1 }( h( o" \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?8 A5 w( o) G3 g/ e0 X5 i( s( ]# M

3 v# f+ V6 T$ o" \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # }4 g* Y* Z* _6 ~) B& _# l

/ }7 F6 O; ?9 R7 h- vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ Z2 {& X: i5 W2 z( H8 [4 L& @

0 [1 }1 b9 ?! j1 u2 Y* K9 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
" _2 S  J3 M1 IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: J2 W: N# g/ C$ M( c5 V0 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( Q& b* W3 z0 rit's starting because we have sins......
2 X" X' y% s/ `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* U% k4 X0 \, ^2 Your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ J2 ^+ j' }3 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 o: O4 T8 ]5 O) T$ C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( K2 P7 T3 R+ E9 b2 Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 V: m' u; a" E" P$ N7 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! R+ Y2 R, ~. z" R: }
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! e! l" V: O* ?+ K% j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% }5 y" F) S' _" R2 z5 {0 e% M8 K
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, O. R8 f! c" W# a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" w- P. C9 l9 I7 V2 I$ H以下是其他人的見解,' x- L( W9 V7 ]2 T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 ~" j# T) C/ L- X  U! U( _# @

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9 F) X# A, \/ w" y, J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. S% o6 P. O7 ]  \; P  _9 M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' n6 R+ ]7 `4 a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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' M  x! Y# B0 F4 ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# l9 L& P, K* b( }

- k# r  H9 m7 t6 E/ }% yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.