Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ g+ B8 e# b$ q+ x+ l* @2 O我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 o; k5 T$ b6 }0 x- R5 v又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( h2 W6 s) O! y! K+ F& v; m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 Z: L5 p  I3 `. y$ m) B5 A! T2 s呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) I7 ^6 [) F* [* @2 i! d

* F4 x9 f/ A. KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ F0 H6 [- y( ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 ^0 ~5 H4 T. q. `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: R7 d" k' n/ v: S+ e  b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! A8 g+ d( \" e. Z4 H( v  C  W我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 ]. V1 W$ r4 F% h" d" l- u; X
真的!!這不是反話
6 }, ?# O! ]  n因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 I5 Y5 q5 x5 n4 s- b5 E+ ^$ i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* }. K# z/ ^8 p. F
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ ]  h8 H0 U+ Z$ A1 i" q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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/ o5 q% e4 r  W1 k8 T& O6 I9 QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 q' }8 f; @( ^4 U0 ~

! r. o- g0 n: L. XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 ^& q6 f9 j" b! e9 H"不信也沒損失") x  l" c3 u  ^* ?6 r+ T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) |+ t7 o$ E# W- X  P! t/ l% W4 m/ Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ \9 `7 H# p7 [
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it's starting because we have sins......
( ^) }: `' x) p9 Z' f$ Rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . f2 x3 f8 c0 x) @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 D6 u; q" ?. k" l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, n6 g) I2 z* J2 ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) z$ w: d4 ?1 `$ D5 Z5 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  z$ U( e' Q) X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 M$ Z6 _" ]- e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& N1 o$ U) Q2 o6 ^. R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 s5 n" C# o: n" a% L9 S% n5 t
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 T7 P. p" I( f. h4 j# d! f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' ^, l" I  w1 t: q' [" P$ j* `5 }3 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 J: h( a1 o  d4 f* `8 }6 L4 T& ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 j$ ?2 }/ }1 i: e2 t% g0 l  d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" A1 s, g# q" L  P  R& N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ I0 J2 H4 ~2 }& ~% x以下是其他人的見解,0 c  n% e! B3 {6 p! f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( S, X3 {: [2 P' q2 [
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( y  {) s8 U! }* P/ d- R! r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- |) {: z* `& L1 O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! E1 B. J$ I% W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 m5 _4 T6 ], D) s3 }" P
.............信耶穌... ...

" ~& b4 M( q$ QRegarding the resurrection....5 a) g9 g, W( W9 F! Z3 J% h( f/ F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 r) B6 A5 k/ B5 a% P4 O  N

* R( x- A, Z* sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.