Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- X6 o" J0 b2 m& G$ ^  Y( x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 a1 `: u. @; M& P, y6 L& t8 A
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ S/ U! ~9 T$ {  W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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) }0 P9 r3 r! ~2 E) M" q因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 Z$ g- F1 l  S# h0 ~3 ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. a+ R7 {  l, G7 Z% t: s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ q  l8 s8 F! V0 Q5 H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 i) P% J# b4 e! g. AWhat a statement we have here?
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) }! u3 ]% m* O& X' DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . s- P! G7 {. d4 u( r3 b; G- A
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 B2 P9 _# m: W( v7 q: b4 |6 k- eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! N) d7 ~+ c  `& B7 \% y5 I
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, j0 D- e1 B5 K: m& {( [; O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 F6 n# D/ E9 h( D+ y"不信也沒損失"
, a; O$ Z$ F9 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......2 T, F, X# Z( g  j% ~$ E* `$ K7 K( F0 ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) l; L8 s2 u' A; a& e$ p1 p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ j) i! R& K( z: H8 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; M0 F. g, T7 a% e( k( G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ m1 m. p* w( q3 J# I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' i2 v$ x4 B% p( m0 i7 S# z

2 W9 ]/ {  ~6 H2 z& o3 r2 ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- `( q' ~# v+ r8 e+ [5 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 t& B' u( b! f9 X9 _' u1 j& j

5 D) P* ?" Y: q! Z7 k6 B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' C1 m& T% _: T, ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- L2 t! m$ p# E% {+ i. D* M8 m1 z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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' J1 i) k1 D5 K! g以下是其他人的見解,1 o( u) i* d; P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' P; N$ t/ R6 q# ^2 K: B" y' r
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  F& y: j. @, v: P' F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. Y$ d8 Y0 r2 i1 H+ |
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 r$ @- \$ Q2 F  Q8 |, Y7 p
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* v$ e; |% q/ F( L- _( D9 M/ |

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.