Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& z# t4 o4 M( S) i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, t; h/ L& q  \0 H6 Q3 ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 M: S6 i6 ]0 F+ J- ~# b) C

. ?* T" Y5 H, G9 ~7 Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; y" @$ A) k( c- i3 F, _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 z2 Z8 {2 k' }我只不過微小的基督徒...................* [# X1 V5 u8 ]. ^+ ~3 S" Q& Q. a
真的!!這不是反話
" }2 O( D3 }& ^$ h因為我是情感比理性強的人/ g- F4 z7 M. Y& Y; |, G4 V9 J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 t3 Y2 X% u/ @' t6 E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) x% N1 g6 k/ N7 o0 r- A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 E1 c! B3 t4 a, B3 T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 f# n+ M& U( L9 p1 PWhat a statement we have here?% t; N" F2 R) v+ }, y

, g! e5 Q9 ]8 \* F( `) w1 p7 zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 o0 ^3 V$ t6 l- Q2 U

, Y0 Z; X5 O3 n: k* ~0 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' [0 D$ \/ `7 w1 L& DLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* E# l8 i5 P& u! m& x& G# Q. Q1 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" P. W7 j- |4 h* n9 _* Y9 x"不信也沒損失"
; w' ?: O3 a6 J9 Z7 h; HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% D' [8 v2 _. H2 j) Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ ?% j6 U+ q5 `" e% u; Pit's starting because we have sins......; d/ D3 C7 L. }' d+ C8 a; V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; {+ C; n6 E" F) m  @5 X: y" k9 v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 S$ l6 Z6 v0 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 j/ e7 E6 U) b- V4 H5 g這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 o4 T, B  y& E0 }: W! t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% ?- m/ J3 K& X0 |; {! V2 }# m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ {5 G5 n; u, v0 @  y5 K

- \  }% @5 w0 B7 T3 p- S) K% G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 o' k0 |, n- o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. [5 @9 L, `3 ~8 B0 u5 `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ k* f7 D  O0 X/ }& i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( s( G4 p9 p2 h" j" M9 x- @, g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... I% F3 B% |3 W

6 B0 J& T# G3 c  ?" z: h1 m# }宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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- X( Q4 z5 ]* h$ b% f0 }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 ?5 I- F% j; O2 b信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. G/ \; R& `6 M以下是其他人的見解,
9 Z& {  d. W& M8 ?1 I看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- m$ P( k8 h5 |
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 i: U- r7 m7 M7 J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' N1 m' N3 p, C, R4 p
.............信耶穌... ...

9 @5 p, A& y$ zRegarding the resurrection....9 _' ?/ r) X7 Y  F% i7 n, c6 e
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.