Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ f- s/ ^" T1 ?$ A+ {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ d1 ?+ ?4 s) z  i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* \/ g5 Y; E4 D0 w! MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  x/ W" F( h4 T3 NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: I, T' O. D( T1 q# R

, E. v2 n) B$ U, i8 l+ Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! ~5 @( W$ w/ v& D  {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( i1 W2 X0 a3 e  i1 n我只不過微小的基督徒...................* N+ \  X8 i9 l! L
真的!!這不是反話( c2 a7 t7 E0 V- H- m2 r  b
因為我是情感比理性強的人- L' P8 L" W" L+ Q1 F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ v  j: m8 j3 C- y* N3 R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 v& d3 }, R$ ~+ K* _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 }- P: W) J9 ^/ |/ ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, G. p( L+ Q8 y2 t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  e0 r' l( e: ~- w4 IWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 l  @2 ]- ]$ B

: G  B& I! ]& @6 cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( q0 I! {7 c: v' p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 I( z9 H, N  f9 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  ^9 H$ \+ \7 Z' SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 ?7 w' u4 P* V' _1 N1 Ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; C% n' D" Z6 c/ i, }2 W* F
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it's starting because we have sins......
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0 A+ y% l; K- S' f) \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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- ]3 x& J& d1 Q: Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) w0 @" f0 r' t) _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 @5 _& n( r: v4 C) _+ @3 x% i% j7 D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 [% a2 w6 _# X$ i# k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 U" O3 t3 }# S3 e6 u; }

2 ]  y/ q1 |' @1 [2 Y6 d; P8 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 X6 [2 [2 K% r. L4 G% {* w; o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," W. ]* [2 {# q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 |/ J0 b6 a- q3 C0 l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ d8 B0 j/ J% x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* H' \0 i5 Z7 C+ j" z

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0 Q" \% g: P$ S3 z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ S; n' Y$ e& ^9 I! F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) t: ^/ `8 h0 T# n5 ]' Y, |4 U

# g9 b; F7 P% b) y以下是其他人的見解,
; ~; J" Z0 u7 m7 ~: E( J. g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( |5 |6 d9 ~- B2 {8 q6 ]8 ~5 W
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' h7 q' Y9 ^8 A- U# Q; |( d+ N- z6 v

" ^9 G) ~4 j& V$ B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ l8 q# I& A7 d* Y0 t/ o- Q

0 R* @' B& s* j/ d1 y# |1 N, m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 n3 U3 {4 D3 I$ ]) i

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! T/ O5 b' @4 g! {* i1 T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( h# G0 W* p; Z3 J/ T( H.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." {8 ^8 B. a) F  X7 b+ l( W$ \0 m& |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.