Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! o: X! c- a. o; B2 C6 S1 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人, H7 R. E! P2 \; R4 S: h" `& V' j+ @; s( H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  ^4 V  B6 E, }道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 _$ j0 X/ Y& k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; G; s0 l; u% y+ K0 Q, QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# O% N( M7 F* y0 b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! @9 W1 k+ q) gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ _& i- ?5 u5 |6 l/ }; b5 |! n

) H. z$ M  ?5 K- }) L6 j6 s5 h$ Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 A5 e; h: C) H" [" _- echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ t7 V. N- J7 q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( }7 [( @: u% h" p真的!!這不是反話
/ q" U9 Y8 ~$ ]6 g7 ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
) J- P3 {  s3 G所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ A! g8 Z( L0 o; n. c  B9 F# Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  `$ @5 q( k& v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
2 d0 m/ }# q. `  ~0 h正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 v/ o8 ^! @5 V" F" E$ M! G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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3 J  A- @# T5 i' a7 K" @. L8 iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 t, r  X$ r% ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: h) F) Z. F6 Y* v, R/ H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 J! J; G  `5 S
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% p7 D3 F$ Z, Z9 A$ m& ~9 v/ [; n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 O2 e" f: T, N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 C9 e; x3 \, S* S: W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 y7 O4 C- D8 k+ R0 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 a/ G+ |; @- g4 b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 J$ p; h) z" x$ Z( K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 |/ A. x$ b. b3 i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 W  i' ~9 y# u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 G  y( f1 c* K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 W; A7 [. m5 x% }: i" l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 f( R1 C7 ~( V2 L( j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ S1 b/ P, c6 Q  K
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  ]7 V) \) j$ ]; F2 q/ W

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( N" U3 q4 _2 a吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ Y7 Z; ~0 A  Y  B5 ?, k4 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  \* `3 |# r( l, P% V

9 f9 N5 k9 t7 ?3 V1 }0 g6 N以下是其他人的見解,
$ p' y7 K4 U" e2 A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 }- e; Y& K0 n$ I! Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: C, @  W$ G7 _% l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 C* o" D7 i, |( Q2 ]% r1 q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 C" ]# v6 m8 O; ?$ {2 L9 j5 E.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 m8 g' \8 w- R1 e+ @& yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& U4 e0 }3 a9 E) [+ m( q* y

$ l6 e9 O6 x) u0 m3 g1 |; wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.