Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 }: \1 I& v6 [: w  a% a3 N/ z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" e, p2 ^9 V0 B, |- [$ {9 `$ K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ a& t7 m& T: g* z道理我知道好多只係做吳到- ?$ ]" E7 x9 _. N
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ U& N" A0 ]' G4 h! [
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" a8 L, q: K0 r& Q& [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 G% p* f% l; K/ C7 ]
真的!!這不是反話
0 c! ^( q7 x0 x' Q4 t4 i4 e因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 i' I7 g0 @- N  z2 t; p5 F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 h) `* `- E) F  ~. C; `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 h  Q) t0 l0 v) P9 F' I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ `) O: e, q) I) \3 j; g2 Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 H( m4 d- a% @  ]+ E2 r; P2 E

9 l1 ]+ h- _$ d3 hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 H/ ?% ?1 |) _% P" A" M/ JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 S7 j8 i" p# M2 q/ z* X6 S/ D$ o% U
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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! \# R; G- z- Y: Z( G"不信也沒損失"5 H# y9 `: ~' y, b/ F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( h1 W! a# V* L  @8 J4 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% I" Q) ?) y; w+ P" f) V
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it's starting because we have sins......$ m; D6 K$ p6 c2 G* N( V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  T& M8 T& l( c/ S' s0 y7 ^6 Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 v* n( L, O$ ?+ `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 L& I6 K& B- @4 x5 x& o1 ^+ d/ O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 I% {, y* i! d5 l
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 Y' X. q3 x" A8 m好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 b; \3 o0 j; Q+ s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! h' K; X# Q+ M2 l2 X, \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# |1 B" {1 |" X2 n  F/ U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! {# V% R: v3 V7 x2 Y" C以下是其他人的見解,! X/ t) `% Q# P" A4 E" H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" o: x* Y3 i5 f$ K4 ]( a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% N+ ?9 Q$ M2 u3 k* m2 D6 D

5 B& [# U% x0 O: R我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 S' \2 d6 D' m$ N' Z

8 }9 K% B% b- h3 e% ^" _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 Q, B" M( i% b7 z- ]+ ]* P6 P.............信耶穌... ...

* i! Q8 E+ T0 S  x. _* [5 iRegarding the resurrection....3 u( H% c% g1 k* c8 e
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 q# }! S( a# r0 Y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.