Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 G6 v+ t% S! j! K8 ?. ]: Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 z. F$ q) O1 L8 g; J! J8 Q! I5 h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ w- V0 H( a$ K# y  D$ |) M+ N- dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 q; _/ i# B6 k6 ~. LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, j. G+ v9 L, y- wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* ~' f$ t( W9 o! b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ v( Y; E3 C: ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 t* T# o- B. W3 r3 r所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# h; B5 o1 D9 \0 W* v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, R, h! ^8 o" a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ J: j0 y5 _. {! h; t; m/ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 M- L) u; g# H& D9 t4 sWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : k% Y. U3 G3 E5 r/ U
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 Q% g1 F1 U) D6 ]1 y

! J+ x" h/ t" E9 d( L. J9 c2 ]8 XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 Z+ F/ w( i$ U" W, P: z
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 R7 u& ~: |0 P0 c" I) W3 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ Q7 I" |' K6 x" x+ c! S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 X/ E( O  l2 h* E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 f* W" |( q5 K, K% Q6 l' {# x

8 u; B' a2 S/ rit's starting because we have sins......3 |' Y# {! G0 g0 T. p1 u1 m, A0 b
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , A/ t1 N( J6 B2 s6 w
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 E$ A* |; x+ N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( _0 B, P' W" p9 b7 N4 o, V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ |% a9 \8 ^) t6 L& p, h( K: {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ T- V" F! v% u8 i0 F- T

2 ]( ]. m' {. x' R$ N( o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 c. j6 S$ J+ c, b" L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 b2 V9 w1 }# t6 C) U6 n- L* i) g
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# M  ]; [: ^; z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 q& S2 I- v+ R2 v  P* b0 d

7 E3 u% h* I  z$ Q7 t, C, D6 k以下是其他人的見解,9 ]/ I( Z- A( o# L$ ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: J* y& p4 u3 l6 j& W: d6 y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 C9 u! V6 P0 O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# @# c% a# i: U. b5 r; z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 o8 x8 u; B- G  P/ d
.............信耶穌... ...

* R5 P0 q2 o6 ^6 RRegarding the resurrection..../ ?8 S, {0 J+ r

2 e/ l! P( m8 f1 |6 ?# QActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.