Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 u+ I4 P  s- g6 a7 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人& N4 b  J: P# {. C- M$ p5 ^! ?2 h' [
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: u5 z) L, m1 D5 m: O1 \6 J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ E' k6 ]8 }; }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 {/ @! ?& V, X3 h; iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 A/ h9 T' L3 t: j6 }
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  s; a: [/ |7 A7 f) G

9 T2 N+ V% @- O9 ]" d2 H# Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 F; Q' L# L! I% |/ n8 n9 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) e. {3 _: J+ V, N0 L我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 Q' o& K2 d5 ^! x! R! t& f/ T, T- j
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- g5 C3 _# I$ O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: ^2 {) o+ v4 s. t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ ~5 x1 V: \* ^) m0 z7 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ s/ D% x# W$ s; j/ TWhat a statement we have here?1 U4 b2 |0 j# X

( ^0 \! I9 g% C7 F( Q* o! ?; gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' t2 f2 D( w* Z9 @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 p; l" `4 J% i6 W0 F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, ~' j+ a. [6 |7 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 H$ x7 F1 \' Z/ o: n5 O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! D$ P! A) T5 c. T! r, P9 N8 i( Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......1 h+ \) X% R9 Z) u' i" r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 k$ K' s- \3 _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 y3 z; J0 ?# m  S9 x% ?只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* p6 o0 Y5 f0 h6 W用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 W8 N0 Y, K1 z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 ^& ^! R9 K  D' ]1 r1 `8 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: p1 u- ?8 z: [0 R( k; v) X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( }" D$ ]5 B( e$ g& f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 b$ |( @, Z& [3 v" }- g+ v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 \6 [! U7 d0 `0 A' z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 c3 ?" R1 y5 U. t$ |/ S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 |; W2 j$ J1 S- F8 E3 h3 `' F0 [
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 @0 s; k- H' ]7 B

: z% u5 @2 J+ O/ J! D, S0 _9 |) e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 z8 G7 H% M% G' \/ T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% w% z3 @, B+ @* o

- ^3 J7 U' n( a) t' B( `+ D4 C以下是其他人的見解,6 P( `1 g3 @7 X3 Y9 G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  q, {6 l. o# C6 V
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; ^! F% W3 \. x  K7 F

+ x8 W5 v! i1 T  u6 \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" ~9 t2 C3 T  U" \/ j* o7 V9 z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- D" _. C  P1 Z3 L) D

* h# T) ?) ?- f* ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. I' E8 i9 p1 P4 I+ ~) ^. k
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 u* J8 V+ O7 ?9 X

. S  Y/ J  \0 m- A& Y4 SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! ~# j$ f* R' c& g

3 c, j4 B, Y' Y9 pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.