Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 r& l( Q8 F: `. m4 p" D3 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% P8 u6 [6 h+ M1 K2 R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 }) z8 k( e/ C% T道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 L2 \# g$ z8 I% s: d' s6 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% a/ P% \2 W( g: @
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., C% p0 K- N; C# \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- p( m+ e9 g2 Y* @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 Z" n9 l" e4 k: j4 M- Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# Z- n9 a& @! h- ^8 \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  Z& `1 J3 C& t- |
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, g  v. c  e8 Q* `! {6 M2 z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 T# [# Q( d( s6 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# I/ ], t) V# N" [8 ]1 Z& E# i3 }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" |+ |2 l% L! H' `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: R7 i/ O$ E9 g; f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 X( C0 o$ o, _  f5 ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% S( u  d1 C* q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* a0 j! {; z, ]4 o+ N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 a2 b" H0 C9 x* t1 u1 Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. K2 j6 P- u8 a- |0 @+ a  m9 M  Fit's starting because we have sins......- p$ r' U6 W( w+ P1 o$ Z0 x3 y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us # p$ _* m2 V; P3 A5 c  p: o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 k2 \1 r  t9 i* f  o" q9 n# _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 g7 O; E, M* }) ^; S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  L! X( ^5 m# y9 j: r
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Q$ E* J" Z- Q9 Q( w7 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 Q5 j2 L* N0 T1 F, E8 _/ E  ?( {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ j. {3 M. n% e+ V4 ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 `6 R  B$ E6 `) A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 M% Z" d  F7 f0 n
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ {8 t) q& O" l4 B8 L! g- [- F以下是其他人的見解," q  R" `/ V# r$ J. c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* V# ^1 z  R1 L( o9 ^! v3 H' b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# L* R! M6 }: ^' w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  z7 l4 [: x3 Y0 W' ^0 ]

( S$ k% V6 J5 Z  r' |3 D' Z6 D! N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; P( j% T0 k& {
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, L5 d+ q. @2 ^. G.............信耶穌... ...

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7 m$ a7 q2 b. _' NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% N/ A5 `4 @' w

; f. B, a& }# H; I0 |2 ?- oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.