Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" i) l1 x1 \9 Z! i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  ?1 O. x+ b7 a" i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ S- h( v6 E8 L) ~; p" Y6 f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 A( Z$ y+ [2 V" P& s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 R# r- Y/ w4 o. E7 v9 ]( Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  ?+ f% j; m0 q: T9 Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 K" y; `: f+ @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ G. d) W2 M" E' K我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ I; g) w( p+ N' V8 A! \
真的!!這不是反話
; f- \% g9 ?# q  K2 f: X因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 }6 u6 q3 J/ ?7 Z' {) d所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 ~5 [9 ~1 S* z6 }& {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. Y1 g) k# V$ O! I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% F2 p% {' K7 s+ A! _) B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, P( f+ \2 m9 i; ], gWhat a statement we have here?+ g" ]0 S4 d& L$ i1 a

# _+ A# Y  v* t" L  g2 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  z2 k( W8 s8 R( d% \  EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* _: r+ U; U0 m
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% E: }. q, ^% N* O  N

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; t& _9 f# {9 L; R+ S, w7 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  h4 Q1 K, m: I, j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" m/ t! G0 [- D- x+ Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 P7 \# _1 u! N

2 {5 K) p; |, Z& X2 u: ^) |it's starting because we have sins......! w8 ?( M% B/ E/ @! h6 D- s
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 c" ~1 N2 X5 Y# _) p* U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 V0 t( q+ K( z, R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' T7 k; V: X+ @: Y4 G9 X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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' x6 M$ f9 e: g; M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! s; R1 ^9 r. _. v7 I5 w# h$ P

1 {7 J' F; U" L/ Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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2 e* J- t9 w! K  |5 u8 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ \- j+ C% R" V4 P. ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# E( S. @; b# m& c9 A% C

! O3 }; Y6 U2 E8 p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% ^' N. i+ D8 l7 l1 }% W; \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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# _5 ^4 z: _& n) E$ Y[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) I* \$ x, o0 i2 n0 S. ?+ |5 Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ A% [$ V" H, P" ^3 i; h
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; Z; j3 B. S" ^$ u

) F; @: f$ U" L" t, l% G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 d9 _0 o' a( j% r  y9 W) q3 |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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7 ?% n+ K7 k! P3 v% e: c4 ~* z; IRegarding the resurrection....7 B6 k" @9 i8 o8 z- r% F; g6 x3 Z

2 k/ D' p: Y$ r2 @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.