Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" }- h  s, e( w2 }" E$ {2 n* a我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 v) c- v1 T9 B; M2 w" H6 \5 D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) V' m3 H* x" Q/ \% K# }, s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- U+ R9 t$ i& `9 k% D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# ~8 D: T2 M5 [. o* PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" N: {! V6 y; D& h- ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* _- w7 I( Y, x' R; J! _

6 O; `6 o$ `! _' D. `* Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 E! d1 i/ {7 H6 B

. X% o  ^  |4 K$ Q" ]1 q/ |3 R/ @! Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; I8 C5 w7 N! p- L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 R& U0 K2 J0 o- @9 Z; X2 w0 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 n& H0 W! w( U' g* L  p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* A1 y$ v$ ~  {- m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ W1 B& b1 i4 _9 r; `( ^9 [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?6 [. `" U+ L& N: x% C0 d+ X
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
0 p4 V" T* ], B; c/ g9 ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 \% ^! V7 {0 L5 U" [7 c$ h  ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  P# G! B# L' f2 y6 [( A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 u( f- P+ l* S4 @9 x( [( R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( R9 o( \# C4 @( ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, L2 {* Q8 `: g1 `" g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) Q) ^& b) {- B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ P$ W+ W) g! M7 H4 C7 g
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 u8 W5 t6 G* O( ^  H. |6 w, V

, }  n! [: p: B5 W吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% v' Y6 M1 m$ @+ ^8 c6 Y+ n' [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' X' ^% J# d* x6 e* O5 m  {以下是其他人的見解,
* z7 t& S: T5 Z) J8 M5 T8 y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% m2 g* y3 I$ H& _5 r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# X! b5 D, |2 R) `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) \' h0 O  n1 ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 Z4 r( _4 E8 [: i
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 n9 M, t. z) `/ Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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" Z6 ?+ J0 G6 ?3 L6 M8 eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.