Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! c2 J0 p8 h, q$ w; w) q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ k2 c# U# i- ~8 x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ w" q3 z" s( g; b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  v" m/ ]( C: ^  o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ w  N+ `: O- N8 f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 K( O% s# r8 }8 K$ N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 D+ Q. s% q  C0 h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 L- A7 @% @! w  K+ c5 x' S' _; z! P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 N" G! m2 M7 j# w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: Y2 I/ R8 S) q4 R; m( _, J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# y" \3 e: |5 r0 c! n1 E. ?9 \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 ~; K: X/ k; m$ g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, R* ?8 l' [. `5 Q4 O& e0 u9 [5 T3 v
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& `7 s& L, Z- m: {1 ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  v! {3 Q+ {3 B

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ B! l# ]! R7 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# y  I- V1 i3 \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( U0 R( c* y& b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 D7 f- b4 C7 h7 u* d

( j& h) I& t% r, S8 f7 X4 d- E6 Fit's starting because we have sins......
3 H7 a3 A1 h% E$ M( Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# b6 `; ~/ f% ]4 Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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! d0 z: Q: G% B; h3 @. o% w, b$ k  [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 T7 E3 N& c3 |+ Q/ E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 N+ R( u& ~! I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- X# |! {# s4 B3 n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! a: d6 e, X3 ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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+ ]9 |0 ~* \4 C; F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 H" W4 r! B/ h& a. s  t% n6 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- z* N3 W! l- ~( t" k6 I
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) R9 x0 w: C' u; Q, k
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, ]2 y5 m5 T0 x7 m0 H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 j: M6 n" \8 |7 O8 n以下是其他人的見解,
* K. R/ D+ Q+ @) t: q! ~6 E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 W" f+ V% s3 t: P6 P) V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ E+ T, k  |: O# l8 S8 x8 L
.............信耶穌... ...

; _& \* s/ O8 |; o9 d/ |Regarding the resurrection....( I5 g5 k9 H; w' U
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# Q' E. J" e2 P5 f, M5 ~  T1 e* N

2 u8 ]% t/ z# r- N, q0 [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.