Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! u3 z) y+ `/ Q* `& v3 D; Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 m3 Y: c( R  r" r又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 n2 ~3 |8 v7 a9 O0 s. [% ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 V+ ?7 j/ r: d1 Z0 p& m7 f! [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) B1 s2 g% S% k2 n$ yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ j) M: Q% y2 y0 U' W4 b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 q6 s9 c" |' b% S6 ]2 w' R

% f$ A7 ^: M, C% lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 z0 ?; p& ?; V/ O2 u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 p) \" M0 m  U2 Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 `5 X( N6 t2 {8 @0 f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ K0 ?: b0 ]- V6 Q真的!!這不是反話
5 \1 [8 y1 l+ o* T( M* j" l因為我是情感比理性強的人
! `, Y+ u; l) j5 `  E  P0 f& A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 e  \2 B% m8 B- e; l8 Z3 t- `
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 t+ Q6 H6 i9 C  @" ]2 j6 S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 ~8 E5 W0 y; z# F. z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 T( N0 Y. Y' j! e/ }* x8 k

+ `8 K+ T3 x5 }/ N8 UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* B6 S7 h: l; v/ [2 d# _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: ?9 V! ^4 z  @5 ?9 d+ \8 l& X
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5 G+ g; g: w" f[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. o3 O) X( B0 L1 R/ m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ I+ r4 [2 a+ W( _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. P3 |  K* r5 W4 t) b3 }but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 d* \/ r; @% w' u2 i  A# n, q* usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * {: w3 g/ c; p5 N5 [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' N2 M- O* A. n, t( x0 v* G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 {7 P( C, a5 W) E; ?6 c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, E* b8 J- |# d0 q/ y7 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 Z, f* _  G; j; @0 Y1 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: C& F+ P% j9 h' e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 K2 @" S  v+ u* {/ @: H
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ l: d& y  a: y4 Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 b1 y  B/ s2 H
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 Z1 h1 o4 D- l$ F' S0 ], g# E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: m* r3 m  F/ E5 I  R$ R1 Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 U; }( [( E- c2 m0 t1 x4 R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ k! P. J7 i2 D. {( n  o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; T0 E* Q* _9 e, P以下是其他人的見解,- r% W4 u5 |3 r% E4 i, i* N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) v1 h7 Z2 O' a9 e0 J( U' ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 d( k2 t: J. r$ f& Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ Y- {# C3 b: Y) C  e0 K) q% q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 m/ S6 h4 B5 H9 q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) I" Y# E2 ]- I) a& @* ~5 W.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 Q3 t4 a# S/ A; M1 e% `+ J+ ]: b

; s4 w  m6 s" m) T  CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 P3 [5 _0 d. ]
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.