Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 X* x& \# k3 N1 h" F# h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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7 \! G& {2 T1 n- i- T% s# I: X6 w! }道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 Q4 p  U! z1 [- [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 i7 m) E/ z* m/ a& ^1 ^/ RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; n* |& j( q% m5 s. f+ C) rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 s% b: |+ [& x# e/ \4 Y" {6 x

5 h1 o0 @+ i  x& F( J8 M  \2 umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% Z% S9 _; @& D3 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ U1 S, ^# q8 s& y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  ?" ?8 N* Q. f+ }4 W1 P
真的!!這不是反話* f3 l1 E- F) F8 i) W
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 L5 f" J% N$ e& P. x: w  \
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- }( [+ c1 \' O! [. E! _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& \% J+ T. _8 ?" k/ ?2 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  D' W! B! [1 b5 a% ^2 H& z* H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 d. Y4 c" {9 F# a; A) n0 Y! w

: q5 M5 u, s9 l! R  ]8 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' T: B. r3 G6 N# U# F

/ M( R# [0 _7 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
2 I3 e( n8 s9 D/ q! HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......7 t$ h' b; x: x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 S- W& D$ E7 o5 y) j, p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", @4 X8 F9 {- D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 Q7 z# N8 s% j. Z# \  u! g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 J+ C8 ], R  ]9 I" N# B  L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ L' Z; R- b* a' F, z6 b( Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: t. N3 d$ R1 s2 C* V, Q" g  R* k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 e0 r- |! s4 P  N1 N; c3 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: k( b& q6 k( t" c: p2 }8 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: t$ J( K" S; d" E; U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 d6 U: m4 V& t( V/ W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( Q; ?+ f0 {5 j: }) p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 t2 r+ a) C# e' ~

% R* w0 M  K' w  l, z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," B/ s9 ]2 \2 D1 H7 E9 m( }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ l# A9 S# _; v- A% L6 }, C
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 n, {6 ?6 ], z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) I& z+ R0 ?" J" P" P# X/ S2 k
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm9 j2 `* `4 y7 c) L+ k

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 j9 M, f( k. _; r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 l" C1 Y" U+ c/ O; W2 j) D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 |% G- G5 Q* W1 A% ^' ?% c6 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) @$ D8 @  G* o) z6 \, Q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! W& {, K. ~" k, [

! H" k+ U" ^8 j+ X: J0 {Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.