Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ v- h8 F7 Z7 J' P0 M. c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人' o! W& n6 i4 ?% o/ K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! u! X$ M6 Q& `) x/ q* l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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+ W0 u/ P# v; B3 u: RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 h5 A8 j- B, s! O3 s" N* u
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- F1 t5 M' `+ q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ x$ ^, p  {- L- L" T+ g1 X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ U6 W9 N1 Z, A4 u  P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ e: @: Q* h, \' ^3 l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 D& W; z* {, m6 U# Y7 h: L+ y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 @7 m; \, `9 b

: ^  \; U5 \* B- h, E& O7 D" B0 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ ]; S2 b; y% v

: |3 l6 c1 a# J9 |3 j1 OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: O) ~" x8 d3 a3 x( }& {

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& r. \+ j. E* K% P* P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& {/ N5 c  ^7 Q. _8 y"不信也沒損失"
- G2 ^& W$ u6 y& s4 SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 B0 [* K+ Z7 C: j' Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  V* j3 A% P& C0 b# \: G1 f$ k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , u5 F& u. t2 Y. l$ h0 S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* `7 L* @/ y& R* _- b
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. A5 l$ H" \0 t9 a# ?! @. ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% U$ s0 G9 ~! }3 R  J' b5 s2 D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ D1 @  C2 k& Y. Z: a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# l0 t8 K, Q. k. ~; Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# E0 K0 x* r3 K  \; \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, ~4 C9 T: {& C% @% p2 l: S1 b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ C9 b. Z6 z9 A4 i/ a9 t; H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 v) ~4 u7 i3 F! D* E* y* ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* _7 I& ?' c! W! z0 _+ d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) `7 A, o" R4 d- O4 `3 x* F1 ^8 `0 V$ A# J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: \+ M2 ]+ i0 h- [# W3 l
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 t! T: T7 g9 n% a

2 {* p3 R' K2 Y2 J) OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.