Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 Z, ]- a4 u! I- X8 c1 H4 L5 H2 [6 H我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 t; Y3 j% @, A* a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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+ B& g* r$ s  BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 N! U4 i5 \, K8 Z' P/ L4 d1 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ y5 |$ l* F4 g# I

- l7 S. X9 |" d$ u- }: gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 D2 x3 Q6 e+ u1 Z7 L( N, ~. ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 U* _  H2 ]1 B( s$ y. N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ m. @! u" T( ~, V; m  ?9 s真的!!這不是反話
! O7 H: d& X5 r2 q  w. s因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 T) {' P* V2 _* I  S所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 u7 B4 H' h! T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ y; q% a" J4 m! y3 X' A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: s7 h9 b0 v' S) g" `# C
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% G1 s% H3 U' u: m5 }; b: S$ U

2 p. h6 _3 s+ c8 e, xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. Z3 C0 c7 z) M7 E/ E3 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( v! A& o8 Z* M0 j# ]' Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 A& S* I9 q  J3 z' j' L: ~* u! g' ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% X. m; L4 ^3 S0 I0 {( n0 {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 ~, `/ g7 Y2 [4 ?# cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") i) s: s' b! W0 b8 ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 @) Z( [- j/ r  R# a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 ~0 g6 X/ e& P- k  M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* i6 n, T6 D: l. w6 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 V' A/ e6 \0 l5 o+ e& C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ W7 D; y& m2 v. N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, D$ }6 X/ b) R4 S+ l% T2 ^  m& B* I

3 W$ @" T) Y0 h' r/ j9 T( P7 ?% s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% T* d5 F7 n/ ~+ Z2 f& `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ L  ?! f; c3 q' D  ~, y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 e+ u+ |/ R2 C7 q6 S+ M, }

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1 U! O8 m# _* k( @2 \& u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& ?/ V7 ?0 N4 o; U: e2 Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- [- G1 D) X% G0 ?) C# a
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ x# f# b2 k! b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# G: [  v' q. O% {+ F* o8 i  o/ l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ E) p. F) A) \% e1 y6 u9 t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 h. N; U# F% {7 B& k; m7 t! @
.............信耶穌... ...

2 l/ [* c/ m: Z+ KRegarding the resurrection....8 z. g4 j% A* D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* j# [/ x/ N) W  |; DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.