Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ S- E% ]0 p1 X9 J我係一個連自己都吳信的人* s" o2 j' B5 \( p, G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 O. }! u: V) {1 n' p9 J; {, k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  M, p& L: P, {( x" `$ H1 [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 P6 c- w, [1 g4 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 f8 `% E4 m; ~6 N6 X% M" Q: n$ l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' t3 T5 O% s$ ]( Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 B: i  [7 m  l" X$ ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 K" z2 c! }# J( F3 |, |+ \) F9 _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( D" u" `; n, @8 A8 e
真的!!這不是反話4 Y3 L( i5 h1 x5 d3 V* P3 J
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 g* ?: g" \+ Q# |* P! X! n" c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; J4 S1 x  @( O5 b/ [8 f# Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! I; ]) L/ R9 o& q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 s/ Q, o4 a* ^7 Y, h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' X; U: s0 A3 V& ?! c

4 V/ T( I0 f6 X3 JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 Z* |, W1 p: W/ R) C

* O, D" J- J! F2 c% }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! ^( T. _3 p4 g; q6 j+ [- b! D
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; {0 T( [+ s1 Z" v: Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 o% i! x) n$ m' U2 Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# v4 o: t% }3 T* }1 M. B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ Q% U: K5 k8 ?
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it's starting because we have sins......4 o# p. v! k6 X9 y7 q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". c0 ]( S! n- _. D- o" v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ ]% j+ i1 E) N$ s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 W; J9 q. i; _( {, w8 S8 [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  t, K4 M: b3 [7 V8 I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! ^5 c& v! L( _% {& S& b, w; P而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" D) U3 B, x* E6 k' H0 J

- R& h# k0 c7 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  J3 |, T" P& [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 |5 _1 Q% S' }) D5 R
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- d, r9 d' Q+ x9 q: w# n0 ?- K# E. O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( M/ h' V5 Q+ F9 n/ }1 [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! @, k; t! a1 D' N0 o

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. J" V3 h, x/ v" R- \. M$ m$ T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 a# o2 {- k- f7 V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ T  r7 N" b3 O' g" y- y

/ g* t/ f0 A8 s% j& [以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) I2 s+ p- l5 @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- C( t; x% O* |" \% X" B- S
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 C8 W7 K+ i% t& M* |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 s" }$ U3 B' f! v; `4 [  g! j  J.............信耶穌... ...

) j, f# Z- E# ?: cRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.