Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 ]# T7 O5 A) ]* R我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 e+ H9 T% g- }! W  J9 g: R2 y* R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: E% \: @0 H- U: ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: d5 l  q! a& F. U呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% q, o) [/ M5 p) K2 ?' ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- S3 m( g5 d% R/ p" ?! f

: d0 ]9 Q2 O& @+ J- fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 t0 F' s, M: R: A# \+ m0 u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ Z' s/ V0 X8 `3 Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. Z7 ^3 J% O- i: A% Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 A9 R. L+ [: s3 u5 {" E4 `' P2 l4 Q
真的!!這不是反話) U5 D" U" A- x1 H3 x2 G* O4 J
因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 d# F# F' Z3 {7 V6 O9 p所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 y# E" e. q& ~5 k# j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% A2 `# M3 h( |  {2 N3 y8 @9 p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( {7 E' e% W3 T3 N9 }) b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, m' X9 W* Z) U# }2 g, d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 |0 S  S& s% P5 S3 N: Y1 T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 I+ A; p7 S% S# ~
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 d* R3 Q  l0 m/ z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 f( |, A- W6 ?0 S  l+ t' S"不信也沒損失"2 N0 B8 m0 s6 R5 F$ A$ l& p% N1 m3 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% B# W* W6 f( A/ {1 gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: c8 @* G) U. O. `8 K: I& [it's starting because we have sins......
8 l  H1 b; r& d3 hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 B8 Z6 D$ E: N  qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 S8 d+ Y  S! Q# y1 D$ c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 h7 q# m1 L$ b" _4 V" F) A7 S0 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! @% ]( Z$ q1 h* O$ b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! A! G, v. O! O0 i  N1 z/ ?如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 H% U" I; {: S( Q  X. ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, ^3 A) [% E# t& l$ ~

1 J$ S- L7 m0 N0 p* s/ n% K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% g$ A+ R1 K+ d0 R" n. y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 Q$ i3 X+ H! F4 Y2 j, F% p2 d改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 X" ], W2 Z/ f" \# Z; X6 J
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 v. _- J" W# M! u* x5 p9 }' K吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 p- H* a$ N- K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: z6 q$ s& {2 k7 K* `9 a6 P

, j( H/ H' p  @1 G以下是其他人的見解,6 x" ^' i6 [/ x  J& u( r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. B1 z7 o0 I0 r% L" S
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! y9 j# N# e2 e9 i0 }

# i: b- ]) Y2 E' K7 c信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 `0 i/ V# P5 z) ?+ |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 b0 Q. p3 [+ ^) e. a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" W* q; l. c) L5 x$ c

$ s4 \/ [& H8 G/ ~+ W+ z  ?; `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ A# t1 |' n% E! T# s1 V+ T. G" g.............信耶穌... ...

" W/ v; p4 |, l  }/ H1 X1 ARegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.