Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 w" d/ f* f2 r2 B% A- l! _) C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( w7 A' T3 O: P. l; B; Q4 l5 ~. B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 X9 L( F/ U; C5 s. O道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; x2 ^0 D! y2 ]' _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' r( b" B9 q  O8 `* g  Q) KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) {5 b1 [( y+ W9 ^4 P9 ]; h4 w

0 e' F+ s" d! g) ~  N5 w7 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( y; s% @5 l$ Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' G, j1 l& a! m/ o0 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人& ^  D' C0 x) z2 m8 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 \6 Z5 f# d/ y. m: S/ M$ }* S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! ?. U/ ?& P$ }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ V' w* I6 a8 w, L: d% l( e! _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& \2 _& A: E% V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 l+ B7 [7 y2 R5 J8 X9 b( VWhat a statement we have here?0 A5 \; ^9 ]8 ?; P
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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2 d3 t& o6 p& o) h; q$ z% RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 n; [; l6 {# s7 k* ^  v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( Z/ k' K) }) x  S9 M4 D% g"不信也沒損失"
( x6 O4 ~! G- H# B2 OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 M; v+ A3 \, b1 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( L6 x2 G- M& V# m) r' Z
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it's starting because we have sins......8 V( @4 {# o. A! g. p$ x: |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 o. N- b$ \  d: }9 \1 @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; O4 w- z; {* E! e. d; d: W  X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 {6 q8 B) j1 v8 `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# T5 a  _6 e  h7 s4 g' E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ @5 @; U3 `+ b( i: L& }" T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% @! o* l# `  G  ^! j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 [: O4 O- }1 i& q# [. \2 p. l
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, u& a! T* T8 F. w3 [4 x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 B- c0 M4 b6 l; s9 ]+ k( s7 T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 V5 R6 E8 d- r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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) V1 w4 P0 K+ ^" d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& I8 y/ ~( [+ T! N2 a) ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" w1 ^- I; u9 G  Q3 ^1 o

6 F5 h. \* Y. Y% x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* h7 F. a- t' [) P1 D1 @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ |4 [  m, H- L5 d- k
.............信耶穌... ...

) @: f# c3 b6 S8 u1 }Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ z8 M  \3 B5 ^You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.