Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 o( Y& E$ L. Q% ]! L  C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- }) K7 b  R- A& ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. m4 Z0 M$ }8 @) O) e4 N: m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ `' |( ]- d4 x- M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ f# T( ?( H4 ^. C5 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." K6 }! c! C/ N, Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  K! D" N9 V: [) b( ~/ E& E- Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ O, }) W2 v3 l; R5 f( ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' v+ T& x" @8 ~1 L2 H5 e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- C0 l0 Q/ P  R2 W. P
真的!!這不是反話. z; O. {* K$ c4 ~. ~$ A
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 S8 [/ h0 y& h% s6 K3 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 ~2 X; ~  d& o: AWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + B3 k0 z. K( ^  C' S! \

) y- X" B# n) Q' XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 j4 H; _5 ~( ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 N  C; b" S7 U+ s; v; \/ w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 D4 v% }! E: l, z3 d: L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, g0 a& |8 X7 h% M" w+ i"不信也沒損失"
. @! d4 B( U0 ^5 ~: OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* a, M* n" i; H) @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
  ?$ |* f- A) T6 hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . X2 z6 f7 {+ q; s! b( z2 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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! ?% H2 P& O# Z$ O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% d/ [$ I, ^; C8 X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( N1 Q" @8 v" }2 g) B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ B1 a! Z; n0 y+ E+ l8 q3 r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 m. [" {1 s8 U& I  C: ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 J4 a7 \' C  f9 O/ C) ~6 ~9 l" ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 e6 B- p3 W/ y' x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,3 {, ^3 g- `) @8 E- F- W4 |! [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' V$ W* \2 ~( _# X9 j9 r0 z: [
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0 y6 d$ Y) b$ w' W& S! i# ?' N[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 q6 ~9 y; {4 R: ]4 E0 R* Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 J6 Z3 |' N+ ?+ E. g

' m$ x0 s$ D; }6 g% ^0 h0 S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 `. U* G; q, ^5 f1 t! I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. }- d/ ~  s) A0 L0 Q' z
.............信耶穌... ...

0 X3 V+ b* k% c8 w  ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 H1 d) [8 \" ~5 S+ c
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.