Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. H( S5 N4 b% W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ ], A- I/ P! d  j- E! m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ P! I. b9 O3 e7 v  D道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 B, x' V/ d# f+ u) M3 v呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; k- Q5 d8 J# T2 A: V$ J  `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% D/ j- W2 @6 X4 O

( u- j& s& _4 Q: ]  Q1 N8 SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 r! j# x4 D6 e% l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: }5 o" j3 k# O. M' \cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 T, B/ D* |' D0 ^6 n0 H我只不過微小的基督徒...................; t( q) {! G/ y. }" q
真的!!這不是反話
( _7 I) w6 ?; G/ M* Z% ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 m% L( Q3 s1 J, l' w! o& S# H2 @( H所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 e8 c7 Y2 i* M* m) G+ M: g/ V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( u+ z! H5 f/ d2 X: Y- {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; d- y( `4 m2 U# x- L% E' |* N/ T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & X$ x3 U+ S- V) ~+ m+ e

5 v# x! H6 A9 a: UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 J3 ]+ w% f/ L+ v3 B" S
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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3 e9 K8 ?$ ^- {7 i"不信也沒損失"* J! F( s2 R9 B, ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) J* m2 L/ }! B; }; A3 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 Y; l( m* t2 @* [7 v; a* ?
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it's starting because we have sins......  c7 W8 \" ?% T/ `- U$ N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 X. y1 A$ I; nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! M. O  c- {$ z3 o3 v( b3 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 R" @2 H: a; P* N# Q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 F- m6 U/ s$ Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  v) x: h# F; X: O5 {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 j2 y7 S; h4 R9 T1 D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& s! v7 T6 I3 y3 Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% R3 m4 I0 V  m& l% b3 {2 u- j6 q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  w# i$ l. m) D- W* ^  Z* I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 w. S* e4 p" c信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& s" c9 \; d" z6 J* o

8 @( ~( W* m1 [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% g% t% }7 H8 j: a. u; C( G: y1 P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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' A. a9 ~! A: N8 J! O, B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  m9 C+ ?: n% w6 F' ^9 m
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 I- ]: j2 o# {( S% G* O! c" a.............信耶穌... ...

, V. ~+ `# [! ]# }' nRegarding the resurrection....
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/ Q+ X. h+ v' z) C0 T2 C" Z, x/ WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  V6 ^+ K: m% }0 n* ~8 {9 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.