Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ `+ b% H9 K; X9 \: m( a/ C我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 J) C0 P8 @. h. l- i$ Y; w. R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ \1 D2 Q4 E: c% R% o道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, F, U& d" j) w% B( J5 v呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! A' `* w6 V/ |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 O  K( |1 m. ^+ v* M5 m0 Y
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., y- T7 U1 [0 y9 R; M  \! {8 C
真的!!這不是反話
( m, y# |! n+ T! e因為我是情感比理性強的人* ?- _# I+ r6 `" {: A+ m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ [2 u1 [) z( A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 m" J- p+ O! `) b7 T$ s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: J3 Q6 l, S. D  C- x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 \  g  ^$ x& Y

- O* o2 n1 U/ ?2 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % F, e* J0 S* s: j7 I( l

* }; l" d9 z: M1 u% P$ T/ K) B" nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# m& U) d) a8 Z  O5 j9 ~
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( m3 Z' C" i7 P! O* Q' G, S: F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 F3 ?# f( f* [- Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! N' I; D- T4 K$ u6 A% V

  E' g5 @3 u% ]* N: L; L( }it's starting because we have sins......
  S% A3 d" U' z( V4 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 v( f7 m: W+ v* |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 z- F+ I; u7 a$ m6 `6 y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# ?/ \5 T- ^" l+ S9 o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 I# T( a( r( d, J4 j0 b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- m3 ]% }3 o5 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; z- o- E- u" P! r; p0 k( q5 s/ D

9 _& E& W$ D' u: U9 @) F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% ?" x% S; m, P  N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  h8 R; q( Z& P: \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ _  r( n/ s! K1 t

# X. f+ D, c" S, w, v宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 H, ]  c, t8 s% w* g

+ |' @7 |" a9 b' A. i* O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! }3 {- `' y( s1 v8 Z1 L信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! W- S% j8 F) i  o$ }% z- [+ t
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以下是其他人的見解,6 Q8 i* g4 f9 D0 N3 w( c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( D0 O0 a% `) n5 o- O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 i8 `4 J# a' F  F: W* U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 w  `+ J; a; d9 x) N
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 ?2 J0 s* {  p7 }. z

  [$ \# [, a  W5 KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 K  u* H1 H# {. E

% e( u5 F2 B; kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.