Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" J3 o* c% k4 ?4 S. @) l9 H7 }; v. _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; \+ b' Z8 [4 k. J* W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 E3 l2 D" d. ]+ V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  ^* v. E! F+ F4 [3 j; i: f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 @# m/ y# R/ bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." O! G) m3 {* G

! l/ F) C- I. a7 i+ @* `6 G+ M" [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! K0 ?5 }9 l2 U( Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) ^' O5 Y4 U- ?' @4 z* m7 A- f1 z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 m7 q' E$ M. g真的!!這不是反話
+ W9 `! t- U2 g; c5 u& r因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 _+ f0 b/ \, N# g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 E- o( g2 e1 G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 q; g; @2 N2 S5 j) `1 ~/ @  S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: i9 M' l) R, w; P4 w. ]What a statement we have here?' {* o  A4 a0 n
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % P- h% g, w* e9 z: k: t- H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ U, _* `* r7 [! b, s( B5 j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; K; G( L7 r& u2 t# v' y5 r2 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( t+ Y  i. E2 e; E6 L. R% ^, X6 J2 tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." `! S7 X( r. D6 E
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it's starting because we have sins......
( b4 a# b% k: c  l& {  y8 [0 i3 dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 a: _1 z$ Q4 e# r4 Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% o, N6 C, g4 c+ o. s
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, D4 f6 ]7 R, x9 D. X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* e& g# F" Z- `0 ^+ k" Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% k: @! T2 k' H5 \. t* i& z8 D  [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( b8 v3 y2 g7 C6 K, |' b; S' w0 K" @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 F" z) W9 q3 i$ z9 A

) u5 X' d. d1 k; g: x7 A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& L( H. Z9 C/ P4 ~) l# J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 }) b5 d+ |3 _2 H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. D! H2 N! X  m1 T6 p! r; f/ F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  O( {6 T: B' v. ?+ }美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,8 }( \* N" B& b; n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( x  B) p+ X2 [8 g# a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 z+ |. g! v7 p- A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 r2 {, ^& @' `. l  L' Z9 t! _同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% b2 \# `+ H" @. Z.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- Z' C& z* f# Q: U8 H: v
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: _! \" m2 \. [% u; ~/ \- y, XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.