Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- O' Y( V( g6 `) l8 h) W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. t5 g1 h2 G, E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 z- u5 p0 ]  P* Y道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 l+ c! G9 u, i, q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% P7 Y, _" @. y2 ~/ @  ]. C( `0 S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ E/ |) P2 B" O& A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ \. O3 Q7 L/ Z$ @% i6 Q
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." }+ d! W& R5 Y* P- Z& s& ~! _2 H/ _
真的!!這不是反話0 e! \9 `( ^# }  ]( k
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ T' ?$ A' _! y: a' O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* j& D; b9 k: ~2 h: M: w  V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' V, O- m" ~6 v0 i9 xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! O/ y0 p4 q: c  r8 Y3 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: M" s" j! [/ j% v- j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) w2 j! U! v. U* A, R"不信也沒損失"
" Z& h0 H/ ?! m( V, UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 h7 w0 |# a. E2 S' p9 e% Q% |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  T; p8 Q2 e* F' U- C8 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 V4 u" `' G) z* ?1 C# {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; b; X& U  a4 B* \1 s4 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ |* r+ ?; K; B; j. c9 J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," ~3 G; |+ h3 l7 S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, M5 k$ s' f7 X- \: q

2 D8 O# j! k2 |2 D3 P  G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 p/ X0 M, t5 Y, ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." ^( \3 P$ I7 B2 Y0 f6 L& l( y
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 a8 Y2 D) u4 m8 _8 k, i+ G% u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! i4 l' H2 i; h3 _) \
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 p5 K) H6 ]) z+ j7 \+ `) u

: i1 K# {% Y0 _. x3 t. R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 H: [+ k' e- y0 N

! r7 u/ |6 e: B' N$ ?) e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 h+ d) t1 ~( j; W+ A6 e5 w

4 o3 u; w) ]" V* q* |9 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ l: F# I0 }  K- r
.............信耶穌... ...

! l: V$ T9 ~0 E2 iRegarding the resurrection....  j) M' o& o. J7 R2 Z

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.