Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ H0 ~) V* o0 W, s9 o  ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* c1 L2 Q' A: ~$ M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 n2 W. G( T' d( \# O- D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ E( x7 ?7 N' k+ r! m' ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ q+ n+ ]9 A0 ?# M7 y! ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; y3 H! |% ~. m5 S
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 H; g0 A: B; h; t) e) Z" j
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ R; k5 P/ W2 d0 Q# t; p1 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 J; u8 p2 d, T6 j. B我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  q+ I8 g) s, h9 \7 t8 \& e4 o真的!!這不是反話
( T" O6 c( @& y5 `" m* z* P因為我是情感比理性強的人, R; D' h: O% D% ?4 v
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# d; p# O; i5 O; F( U  }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  F1 b2 w$ v! M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 \6 p9 \+ Y8 v4 B) \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) l8 A1 a: s( DWhat a statement we have here?% g' b0 w; l2 m# F& p5 ^

# Q7 G0 ]+ p. e* F+ n5 k; b" BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : d) X. w' d" }0 h# h/ J

3 O$ Q& V, c% r& c1 m- aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 {  b7 b8 _: H/ J

, h( `' A; `, B; P# OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# a% z+ u% J  ~$ l8 u; q; v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 V6 A4 Q+ o: Q( \5 R" L"不信也沒損失"
" u( }# g3 S" S% GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' ~6 B; _' b( o+ n" \$ f; {3 N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 }$ U9 ^5 x2 x) c- H, qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : l8 C! Z; Q6 F6 D5 M4 r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 \( ^( S, D$ ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 C, k$ g: Y/ s8 c( g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 D2 d. s9 J) E+ X  j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( t2 Q: h6 Y9 _2 d6 r, W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," z" N. A3 R$ O$ c9 x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( m: b$ A% g! v$ A

, Z, A) {, H2 p+ R. x) Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ a/ ~1 D3 i9 g. W$ q( m7 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# I: k/ R& x2 ^+ q2 `5 p  [6 i
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% U. K. q9 @7 t% U; U# k5 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  `5 y$ m$ n+ j- A/ ]  Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ a) d8 w6 x) C

3 r" E7 T: j# {; G* J宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' m0 M  {) u* g; K4 e8 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# E' @& j5 V7 I+ p( A  R+ _/ F/ D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) P/ t9 q, o0 `4 e4 L' T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' ~5 Q( v0 G+ D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& G* T& a0 j1 p

: A  W7 g! a8 e- z% D2 k$ P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" W& l6 c" b& ?) ?! Z6 n同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 X! E5 f8 K0 x& G0 s! t4 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

2 Q1 Y9 S( Z" o# i- d1 n" eRegarding the resurrection....  P+ y' ?$ w1 ~% u- H$ ^6 T
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 {8 \! ?9 P3 B: O8 vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.