Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* f$ ~2 B9 V7 J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" O! B8 x% G4 {3 }" Q! X! }/ Y$ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 A/ v7 `# ~1 j% K. |( }# y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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1 O3 S: g- u7 ]& LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# M; y5 g: }( t+ r5 H0 R; e) i/ BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% O6 a9 x4 G2 f8 t

+ _- T% D  w; i4 \. s9 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: W1 a/ G9 V  S; p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* W$ S2 n; N. X; Z5 {" j( J4 t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 {2 U$ ]( S: B: r" }( c2 ~4 N. b7 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: O- k7 c9 S5 Z
真的!!這不是反話5 t2 \3 f; v+ |+ ^, G5 ~/ p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
! \+ t, o. E! f0 V  ~" {- M/ B/ ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ e& ?% l' t9 T5 [2 s9 A' u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 W; i+ B3 P/ }! E( }8 |9 p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! X4 {1 G1 O# D, q; v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 ?$ o2 l: X0 z5 M, z6 V* E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ X+ `* p9 z9 r" M9 C% MWhat a statement we have here?
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, W1 ?# r( a' H4 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - U) S0 y3 d$ m- t9 j- S) e

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! X1 b7 C: Z# }! m& ^2 `7 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: ^5 X- k7 \- I/ R( L' u4 p
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ n! r4 X; F' |: _. u, _% @"不信也沒損失"
- s! h2 l0 r% {1 t; JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 I5 m6 }5 p- n  ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 w% N2 q, L  \" K2 C1 X0 fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( m0 ~" ^: f1 W# ?# B: T/ wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" k; M$ C& F& y( Y  {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# ^; [& e- m5 N/ Z; s) x7 Q* g1 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 q; E7 z. q- B3 |- [' E, @/ B2 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 [5 ?; E$ u* D7 j, e5 j& g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; t- X# p* `5 g: Y  Y9 }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- p: H; N0 ~7 Y& `
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" Z2 X) u( W; o+ x! e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& g5 t4 C4 }) ^% F
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 K! t/ W* Y4 q5 N

! n! @2 n: s* N2 E宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: @6 c9 k* i# j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 |4 A/ w$ e2 j) z  _- A7 Q2 s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: }' J, L* p0 a$ M0 Y( I5 \以下是其他人的見解,3 b3 J  `0 A- B6 x! L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤$ W- b/ l+ A6 [. d/ ?' p
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 c- T& p9 I0 z& x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' k3 P* R0 n' p  K# u6 `' E% b

3 }' N; [; M) i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; ?  G& @  i  D1 y* g, f' a0 n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ N$ I* [4 M& T% p4 G  S7 u' B

7 b6 l! Z, C6 ^2 J  _" _6 FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 n4 K- \' q4 b, ]. O5 x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.