Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 J+ G, m6 o5 L9 X: }3 q我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 I7 B$ B  F) a2 W7 \6 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: L! u. e7 S# Q- j% mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) I- |$ x/ s1 u4 S  ~) L; ~* i) ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& A* t7 x. G2 q4 }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ G- l/ V/ l5 N2 i3 |7 b' Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 L* `, ^" z; c  g5 K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# V1 m7 i9 X& ]" y' P; f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( c' x$ d7 F3 }, u+ s  z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
- O8 {. l" m" l- Z  q& T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 u! _% K( L: w. z( B& A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' k' o8 }) J, p  E4 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  n4 @( N! G  p3 _8 T, l4 ]1 S5 [8 u  E8 k
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( _& v7 S1 ?$ G2 H9 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ }3 P% Z! A9 w5 t* P"不信也沒損失"7 ]$ }# I" y* ~* A" _8 B, h& R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 n1 T# t; w. {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' y: Y0 l( e2 L: v" x" D/ h; I
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it's starting because we have sins......( l, S! H1 b6 ?  z: f0 A3 O9 M2 [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" X& J5 b  z: L  M8 V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 y' }* [$ d6 R: i8 S% T
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( a9 x; M6 V+ W& T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* U( [4 t6 c; _

$ l; m3 }  x. v4 w( Z6 ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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0 |5 y" b5 N1 l' U/ Z! y2 |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( i% d; m- i& W* E; ]/ g
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. r, z/ a" `2 I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; l% G4 o, ]0 j( W2 E
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以下是其他人的見解,
  s7 D9 w4 {/ c# q+ a看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; Z' k$ \) \) Z+ e" S. m% s1 D
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; h4 v6 }) ?# S7 X/ [' {
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& Y" H# o) W6 x3 s& z2 S/ c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 A% Y/ P( u; }' l0 E.............信耶穌... ...

4 R' j( g; R# K/ B! y, [2 TRegarding the resurrection....0 L: r$ l" _  a; f) g( B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.