Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 ?& `( ?9 g4 V' ~) Q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* ]5 ]# Q) x! E2 ]5 F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 J4 Q+ @& B. }, a% r9 I4 N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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+ F* a+ E% D0 |0 b$ |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  p: J, N$ L4 y, e2 M
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; x4 Z2 b0 S; Z. p/ \. X4 `# r% x5 B; z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話. Q8 W- L" Y4 V% k0 Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 j. P- p& V6 c" |3 p% p" U8 g- ?3 s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ i7 i- p6 D1 i: X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 F6 C! G& X! Z2 {/ n+ E2 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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: N2 v0 W% s& FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 i" u' X( H, q3 A7 J. nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! x8 D9 U" O& G, x6 S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 d9 V/ M8 u$ Z9 O2 x9 t7 Y. S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) U4 G, A5 I+ i& ^6 Z# H

. @0 W2 U0 x1 w$ B6 f! xit's starting because we have sins......8 l! K: H: q0 C0 O. C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' a5 b2 ^4 G# x. z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 {2 z' C& t' }2 q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 F6 }. y3 k7 U  y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 S- h5 j# ^- [# H# \9 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ m7 \6 H( C  I8 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- t9 E6 A% Y1 V, D+ z

6 R; ^  V/ D9 ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 ]# O8 b8 @- ^9 s/ D3 R8 D9 x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  r( c. u' x. {4 d: D  ?
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; a4 S' l* I4 l6 P以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 r- w3 y5 @+ ]0 a6 P6 D5 x; _9 K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- N7 R0 ^$ _& D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: s, n+ v: k) F8 T7 D

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% t5 \! l% r2 E* M8 N  a
.............信耶穌... ...

  o2 d' X( S9 M  F5 B4 y$ N" ZRegarding the resurrection....7 W$ H& V! \8 w# g, p) {

: U" a/ Q* C) Q1 s  lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* V/ i( p: ^$ ?; [8 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.