Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# K) d( M: m7 x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* ^, e; }* t+ d6 O" S又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 `  w% V5 w* _4 K道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 l& t3 K! c. n9 v4 h+ n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ w3 r3 E$ Y6 {
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- b4 ^. V8 U2 Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 |* o1 u9 h" d; g2 y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, }* W5 |( Q* {1 ]0 T: V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; O& e- p( b2 P! Z4 R; Q
真的!!這不是反話2 e7 ?. ]/ E; {  M, @- I9 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 R7 d& b3 V8 @: M+ b( }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 s" R0 K% `2 E( ]6 F6 ^( Z- M2 c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
5 N! x5 ~+ d+ j$ k正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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5 d( ^' f# z. \# cWhat a statement we have here?
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4 k, F& J! C8 ~4 Z- PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : I( C* d9 N6 P* U) S: o

4 u5 z7 f/ C3 p1 t9 K! mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 {$ H, K  N5 R( q2 {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 I" |) _/ s- U+ F) m/ N"不信也沒損失"9 M' V, J6 q0 w  Z' E1 B& ^! b; ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& H& i& n5 x9 s8 ^9 ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., ~' I+ @+ N+ y- z* g4 q
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it's starting because we have sins......$ U9 ]; v! v* l8 V: v8 h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# ?# E# l; u) z: U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 ~* k5 A* O+ H+ q+ u3 K9 ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 v# l0 M% y, d" y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" a& z! h2 K& e1 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" z" y# c4 v* J8 j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* E; P  F2 L8 M9 [

) \5 ^; C+ Q7 j2 H5 b. z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) r2 n, y8 b7 _0 \3 t* x好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," z( k; ^2 S) f6 A$ _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( U4 j. s9 @( I

8 P; i4 e  [7 V  O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. {" D4 i; z1 E( R, A( m; J; U* l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, i2 f. E% |! d信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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8 |: g! B: P# g0 n( P2 Y以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm$ j1 n' `1 i, K/ `5 T5 a

6 q7 F- z' O$ ~& o/ d[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# N( J# V3 k& v$ m" |$ @& C4 N

  R+ G5 v0 d8 k0 r不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: u5 z2 b& n0 V* j. _& D

; P9 o& P8 ~9 k" @! t& O2 F# I( f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  o) r0 p3 E% U. I3 |- J' o& ~( i

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 |/ i* t5 l- ]- N7 H, m.............信耶穌... ...

6 o0 t+ J; o7 Y/ Z9 N5 JRegarding the resurrection....
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+ y" Q6 ^- n* |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! _  V2 u4 J7 k, c4 U3 i: A# y* V

, Z8 r( F0 T! K% S4 y% iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.