Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 H. Y! s) u5 |2 L/ ?* F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) t' M: b& r( e1 U0 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. L4 r. [- F+ [# G# o) N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# X3 U: W4 r( j, n& l7 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* g7 b& Z4 Q# f- R& ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; c+ a2 [; p* _) h. J' xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' v; S5 a0 B) O# z我只不過微小的基督徒..................., V# f5 c; ^3 G$ Q8 w  c9 d+ K
真的!!這不是反話2 W8 x% K  @, p2 t- p7 S
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 x( c; q8 E# @) W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( [5 l+ H) a% V" O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 a( N) G, V* H* X建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 O$ U. n! c- f0 H0 q/ }% y1 OWhat a statement we have here?
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0 O5 _& G  k( s% V/ KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 E( N; Y  C( R: Y+ S+ ^4 B. p- c$ U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* u% q/ C% E2 U7 f% T5 w; l"不信也沒損失"! |1 ^7 `/ }) Z, r! d+ s" s6 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& S) u' p% x( m0 \4 vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* m) D: l* q- A" |8 L+ M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 i% a- |5 y* K+ \, f* `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ P$ A, o$ r5 A, I- i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' B$ W; U: U0 J/ `: V6 y! X; u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 G& v: r" m/ C; @- O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 q! W( F6 n* v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; \& P1 d% x+ i  B' u6 A  m  _宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# O3 V5 l6 ?8 C/ [! ?2 h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," J( y; `+ _" g& A: B; a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 K# q5 v2 y6 G8 n4 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 q1 s8 K. v, z: J% Y) c
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 t1 v9 n5 `; s8 U/ `: U6 B

$ L/ |- g9 {' j4 j* x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! D. {1 u* m9 d4 x# G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 m7 i" J5 p' Y7 W# R0 g& D5 C

! d7 ~' I0 M0 i0 [- T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  E* r# f7 e- _* x# ?
.............信耶穌... ...

- t; Q! f% F& `5 j$ p% I1 d" ZRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.