Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 l% @: P6 H: Z$ l$ e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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2 C1 O, j; ^9 v+ C% V5 Z0 n" R- {$ ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& `0 A$ X& K1 U5 s/ y- `( k
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 R! E# v: q0 Q3 O) x2 B, a& Q# fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ J% n$ @" {9 ^1 @

2 N# k" U- L% q2 b9 c& z' j8 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  q& s( p; o/ _3 o5 T8 m0 Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 k: I* e+ h4 {: f; j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
) G" u) [8 t- a4 h5 X* {; R真的!!這不是反話
5 K6 j# U9 ^5 U! \1 O! x# k+ P因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' K! t2 K) q* L  ^1 X* q4 e以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 [$ v& T" L0 o& z2 ], z+ W9 o# u9 E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" S; r' m5 P( x) w5 T2 P9 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! ?& v: U/ S9 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ i. H& h6 j1 `  P  j3 a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! _9 v  @8 Z+ x* Q: r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 ?$ V' r8 @  Z"不信也沒損失") H7 o5 v* d4 M' `1 I+ C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 N7 m& ^) T+ Z/ _6 }0 u7 v9 Nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ `, g$ p; h8 s, P. nit's starting because we have sins......! c( Y3 p( S5 P* p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 B# K2 U9 Y! V* s- Y9 w1 e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 u4 l& F$ U% d% N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 t. g8 s3 A* j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# k; I7 ^; J4 d+ [* `- d7 A3 Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* Y+ c! f- ^- S7 e9 ^1 Y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 E1 K' f. |' ]% W: Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# J* M0 U/ ~: ^9 i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' {/ O) e9 \/ M; u# |0 t. X* e
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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7 ?; {1 N2 W: Y" g以下是其他人的見解,
4 C1 q7 W9 w* K# v看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- Y. P& ]# ]* |+ G% v% G

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0 V  I/ C7 X, c: T3 h+ @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 v6 r$ H3 D4 h  y$ J* u& L3 z- M
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 e2 _( U( m4 v5 ?, A# k: L* @
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* w# d# H1 ]) y+ {  k6 D7 ?' I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.