Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 z: F7 g3 \; b: t我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 _+ u' g. D* H5 N& m/ b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( E/ T% p) y: D0 g! X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( X9 r+ w" V* M( C  B, X  vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, N; C" j2 y, J3 Z2 M, N: x7 ^

+ x5 X8 `0 z4 |9 \' M4 ^5 _6 rNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* o/ j. T' L4 A$ R1 l6 b

8 \4 c  u' i6 Q8 L3 N/ A( wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( w# w) X( a4 x& Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# P/ o. k6 V3 P0 P- W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: F9 A$ d9 E" F: G0 j
真的!!這不是反話
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6 p) j1 B/ H, E所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' a* Y7 s8 U' N* O3 y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ o+ E6 S/ r+ w. w' }0 E6 A) C: G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& b; Y# [; z' q2 V6 W+ F- B$ z# X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 y( L% N8 A+ A3 h4 kWhat a statement we have here?
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1 [/ R( F0 Z8 m; R8 D$ G2 nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " g) `: E' y8 z# `8 Z' j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ e# u# r% o( X8 u4 F( b. Y( a+ E' A
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% \, D5 Z/ v" q8 Q) d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 ?5 b& s- X6 m3 t. V: ~2 X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! Y( G6 d1 W$ M. G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; _( s3 W3 p- u8 x8 o

# D) k1 M' I. Lit's starting because we have sins......$ S: J- Q- C: a& D: k$ f5 x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: k$ W, x: ]+ J( Y# Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" \! X# H7 k, R  J/ @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 m; Q( E5 [* f: z, A/ q% L* ]( M' ~
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," g5 \2 X1 c6 g& q% A1 A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; F% g$ n5 p6 Z$ p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& C4 `! z7 e, J: X( O  |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 I  N5 S; K" n9 c9 v
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, b2 }2 b* Z1 S$ o) m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 a" d/ y. V$ K: E$ Q- X4 L

( D# D$ z: E5 b$ ]& A1 l' T' F" \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- y, s/ @2 |9 f, a5 k' O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 h: ^$ o/ S" N+ _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 |* r( E1 ^" |2 m. O- e# ~宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 j2 X6 |. |, ^- N1 j# w9 ]2 L+ K+ y% B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," f& m5 ^' d! W3 O- W4 t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 z8 t& q3 F3 b; j; N* L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( P3 f5 Q* _( h5 d8 P

5 s' ~1 o+ ~6 ?) E$ Q[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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5 p$ L) S) F) V9 y4 R3 [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( a& V: [% m' c5 W, g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ L; Y+ C5 @# U! ~4 h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: r  A. U0 g$ N6 b( Z( l* o
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( |7 @2 n( y$ MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.