Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) e1 L3 `1 S& C4 P; V+ @. y我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 H+ R4 y5 o( h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ ~  {( Z) t# L0 Y! {* U3 t" r7 m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  V$ _; y) V1 }7 C& m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

* R. f8 O' a" }0 j6 `8 F

9 w6 c3 @. s+ G5 z' J0 ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
; K' a% F; |5 V( x7 ^) ^. K) \0 n. r% D: E+ w- S$ d5 D# L, B7 d1 B
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
, [; T  z1 @, a: ]6 C( Q6 t/ r, H* j
$ m" L+ _0 U$ `1 G+ Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
5 x. ?& X5 E- L" F+ z, [6 o6 o. q$ i& ], O4 X. {, p; T
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 J8 d3 P0 Y; U7 acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ b$ F" c- G& [/ i我只不過微小的基督徒...................! e3 i/ i! N$ p) w
真的!!這不是反話' T* o; Z& f& g0 C8 L
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ y8 q- f0 p) L所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) l0 C/ ]* s/ F$ b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 R* y$ `4 I  ]' U- p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
: `2 Q; K7 d' b6 p4 }) d正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ S$ O. X, V9 L! K* }/ Y( ?6 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

0 i/ f) q, O5 U" @3 Y# ]9 ~$ M1 o
# H$ C7 p8 S* d  E- k9 k; c9 D- X
What a statement we have here?
! M7 v; f  u1 }' P/ C5 e& s  ?3 y
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + b! R4 T$ B% A! m  d7 G% F
9 M8 L4 \! b  E" |
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
5 R5 N% u# @! C# y4 N$ E$ c" q5 a; p7 r' |8 D! X
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
% V8 B" x8 j6 K5 i; E3 h' O
! B- |( q  [$ v7 n:cool:
6 C# ~9 m1 Q" X" t2 D& h( \
" z) c9 {$ a& y0 U[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ j0 F, }: T; s7 B0 U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

, g2 Z+ i4 k+ A* `/ u  ^2 U2 O. B8 S# `$ d, n) ~# @9 T& U
"不信也沒損失"
6 w' M3 w$ Y8 a9 q+ ^9 k  S) pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 }2 W, v! y' H& T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 @! |7 D; \4 o

; H/ {2 E% r) dit's starting because we have sins......# s* Z: i# _7 D' D1 N# J+ r) d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 N1 g9 b' P$ {9 b8 ^5 T9 ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 q5 D$ d6 Q6 I3 V& @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; f  t. J3 E% W2 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. _  p6 [* m1 r: `) f/ Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ {# H# N% Q( K" l0 ~3 s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* L& }! I; p' e+ G  F- ?0 B% o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% j2 Q; _1 ~7 U! {8 |' U

( M5 N- w$ |, V' t& [3 Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 C! O& `" f* H5 @' a5 w! A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
; [7 W- W, y- r8 F, V
$ o9 d+ |* h) P  z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# p4 J! H/ W6 z4 {7 j; ]' e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 M0 q/ I( [0 d: _! e6 l" k2 p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) z9 H0 [7 m4 ^- c1 X6 J% e

/ d6 {' s5 b; r/ ^8 r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
, F+ \" k1 {; j) F( E) W
) }) l' [7 c- l( U1 [7 F. O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- F/ c  J6 b1 k. T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* i7 y, B, e9 T0 F4 c8 Z

! k3 @& x& a) b5 A/ `5 e  ^以下是其他人的見解,
% A# l9 y4 I* u9 @1 B# Y& L看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
0 Y' y4 o. a  q4 y6 n: I' U9 ]http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  l. E/ M  b" B2 n% v4 t- S) M" N
# C  L  c9 R* g" N' U
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- E6 j6 B6 y6 Y1 o2 a+ i6 q) G

( B% _/ l+ f; Z, b: i8 F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: a2 Q, y" m  Y' s7 v8 x$ Q
9 Q) [# [; t! I0 I9 W: i& a" u! P
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
$ a+ |6 {# l- F) C. T8 W8 f1 h3 w# x) v& F
我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
6 w/ p4 R2 o9 o, v3 ~0 w" b; O
& t# x) c( r3 j8 k, i5 z% j' u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. L' X' p4 u& D6 S5 \
.............信耶穌... ...

7 W" C4 T) L  X7 L
Regarding the resurrection....
& Q7 H7 [" {9 r8 p* R; N5 u( r2 I
Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
4 j$ q' i/ o: t2 {$ Z/ K
! t- d5 K0 B1 y3 pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.