Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 D8 m! q/ E; `+ ~) q" H我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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# z. \  R' r! B3 i) e- K8 K道理我知道好多只係做吳到% Y& I( ^% h  B# ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. ^2 {3 X8 O6 C+ I4 C( Y* DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 I% T+ L9 ?' \  h( g

+ w: O5 C& o$ z$ n/ B- t% N* Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 J& D; n; F( w( e: B1 _
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: I1 x$ x5 N8 ^: y' s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話3 W3 ^, C& F# d# f
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 i1 J; `" [! I  r. F3 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- i1 Q+ S1 w: F% z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 ~2 h0 b+ J1 g. {% I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) J! A* W, H. Z5 ]* S$ N2 L: ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ k% m# B0 {$ [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ Z8 f- F% _) e. M2 l$ o. WWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! q6 X/ ]5 d2 k  A) _! I) z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ B  E8 i- W: b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' g* k' p+ z( [  a) x' d"不信也沒損失"$ E& f5 V$ h" p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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! |/ ~. v6 F4 V1 H; T& eit's starting because we have sins....... [4 q  _2 T1 Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 Y0 M5 V7 n1 H" r, S. B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 U# s% Y9 r  P+ V+ y' E* `& ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 @" W- P; d  Z$ F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 i  i4 x/ T/ N- m5 D) z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. x; Q- ^! u$ |# v% D" `! d" m( H

: ?( X/ \& R" R; U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ ^) B3 O1 m6 O/ v4 F+ M& K! j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 S* W2 _" Q: V! e4 z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. U0 Q+ t' o) O2 I6 H5 ^+ @; a# b; j

+ l9 p0 H5 v$ O9 T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: O4 ?. T0 F  P3 t1 t+ {! a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  l3 ^' z7 ^8 M' \1 u以下是其他人的見解," m. x( w, B8 J2 c, E7 [3 N- @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* s7 _9 R0 t- }) c" c+ Z3 x4 M
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# x2 w. v! g  ~& G  E2 m- R2 G

1 N3 n/ `! z/ H6 G8 n1 \& }5 H[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% D0 }" k6 P! g: `

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  v# f( L# A! P7 F8 @* R. a! ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.