Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( B9 P8 P6 H1 A, v  O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" m" C  ^% F% r% l0 s/ J, e' ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, _4 w1 P" J" U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 c' o0 V+ ~2 q6 @5 F$ }* w6 q1 i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& d% T6 H, y' `: R4 d6 G1 \- ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' A4 n. V( S# F2 V1 p5 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( A* ^: e* i, f% C2 H

; p. S* O# O% e2 t% S' o2 Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 e& E7 }3 u& |# j2 d  @: v% m" |( Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! i* s  }# x0 g: o9 \& Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" `' G1 T  L. F  D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 g- p0 w6 X4 @6 }5 J3 X, u
真的!!這不是反話
  }% j( X! M" U3 W& @6 x因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! C3 Z5 U& C1 J$ Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 }9 T' _$ Y. h" e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- ?( l  ?1 \. }1 i- C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 N/ N* W5 C, q* H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# e, Z1 w3 @5 k0 [# ^* iWhat a statement we have here?
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" M2 t5 }/ @& Q) n% C! `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' O# N  W. L; `) p" Y# B, p" Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* {( B: M0 T2 i
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; A5 K, j# g, ]
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% ^( {4 O# b! s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 ]- c/ X1 [/ v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 @- l4 m  y" @7 h' Y1 g
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it's starting because we have sins......) _( `  Q* U; Q2 a0 @) C9 Y  _& q1 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / @  M) c. U: v5 |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 j. ?7 w& B$ K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ l; A$ u" v  P6 ?9 U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  K& T+ h! V" P7 X* t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ U4 [* U* F! ]- e* _" V# N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," |9 k% V2 D4 Y3 Z7 ?, H8 B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( ^9 i9 ]% l" ]" b6 I

4 N) `" T) Y6 S% P9 n  W! w2 O9 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, e( D! U6 l# ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- {" F( t4 v7 M7 A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ h4 m7 \! R$ b. ~- R

" [, l; ~- S# N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  c: a$ @, \. ^) B- D9 S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 {: z/ i( C. a1 x8 `7 g
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以下是其他人的見解,- @9 C5 |- [' V% `2 E  C" ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& g8 t) t- M7 O2 F4 A. L2 B0 W
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- c1 ~; M! p& x- l9 w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  I. P5 F) e9 a6 b( M1 n" I) o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 ?) ]# l' R- u. H- V( r" Y; X+ y  n.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ n: {4 N1 S/ t- e& m+ m, ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.